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  <row Id="1" PostId="2" Score="0" Text="May as well start somewhere (SF does have about 7k questions just now). It shouldn't be much extra work to do a data-dump of a smaller site. Plus it'd be nice to have a smaller set of data to work with, for setting up scripts and the likes (rather than working with &gt; 1.2GB of data)" CreationDate="2009-06-29T01:25:36.137" UserDisplayName="dbr" />
  <row Id="2" PostId="3" Score="7" Text="It's been nearly 2 months since this answer was posted. Any updates?" CreationDate="2009-08-20T15:52:58.887" UserDisplayName="Kyle Cronin" />
  <row Id="3" PostId="3" Score="0" Text="Hey Jeff, just curious if you've got a timeframe in mind for this!  There are some stats I'd like to compile :)" CreationDate="2009-09-25T17:28:47.283" UserDisplayName="squillman" />
  <row Id="4" PostId="3" Score="1" Text="I've opened up a feature request to discuss this again: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/23615/include-all-sites-in-future-data-dumps" CreationDate="2009-09-26T21:24:30.577" UserDisplayName="Kyle Cronin" />
  <row Id="5" PostId="3" Score="0" Text="Any updates on the SU and SF data dumps?" CreationDate="2009-10-12T14:09:54.423" UserDisplayName="alex" />
  <row Id="7" PostId="5" Score="0" Text="agree, hold and migrate to superuser.com" CreationDate="2009-06-30T08:35:11.057" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="8" PostId="8" Score="2" Text="It's not the server code itself that qualifies or disqualifies it for talk on SF, but rather who bought it and how it is being used.  Read the quote above in the question.  If your job is to deploy Windows Home Server that other people paid for, then a SF question is deemed valid.  If you bought a Windows 2003 Server Enterprise to watch DVDs on, then it doesn't." CreationDate="2009-06-30T12:55:07.233" UserDisplayName="Stu Thompson" />
  <row Id="9" PostId="9" Score="2" Text="I partially agree. I guess the problem is, you have to draw a line somewhere or you'll get tons of problem like &quot;How can I haz torrenz faster. plz. halp. kthxbye&quot; ;-)" CreationDate="2009-07-02T07:09:49.637" UserDisplayName="splattne" />
  <row Id="10" PostId="10" Score="1" Text="will be deployed later" CreationDate="2009-07-06T14:20:33.213" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="11" PostId="10" Score="0" Text="Some of the more complex Wikipedia links (eg, including underscores and parentheses) still aren't linked properly." CreationDate="2009-07-11T16:22:17.437" UserDisplayName="LapTop006" />
  <row Id="12" PostId="11" Score="3" Text="I would say no to clickable emails, but yes to https, ftp, and perhaps any other major ones." CreationDate="2009-06-30T12:13:11.937" UserDisplayName="Thomas Owens" />
  <row Id="13" PostId="12" Score="0" Text="Or a BSOD if the browser says it's on a Windows computer." CreationDate="2009-07-02T03:32:03.263" UserDisplayName="Brad Gilbert" />
  <row Id="14" PostId="12" Score="0" Text="That one's already there.  Same with an X11 dump" CreationDate="2009-07-02T03:33:58.347" UserDisplayName="squillman" />
  <row Id="15" PostId="13" Score="2" Text="Huge part of IT is desktop support.  Ever run a Mac lab at a university in the early-mid 90's?  ugh..." CreationDate="2009-07-02T03:34:39.513" UserDisplayName="squillman" />
  <row Id="16" PostId="13" Score="0" Text="But I'll concede and accept." CreationDate="2009-08-28T19:52:28.590" UserDisplayName="squillman" />
  <row Id="17" PostId="14" Score="1" Text="This will explain everything: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2508/account-association-between-websites" CreationDate="2009-07-05T20:09:07.853" UserDisplayName="Kyle Cronin" />
  <row Id="18" PostId="14" Score="0" Text="Sorry, it looks like you already associated with SF. If that's the case, then VonC's answer is correct - when a rep recalc is done, you lose rep from deleted questions." CreationDate="2009-07-05T20:11:38.393" UserDisplayName="Kyle Cronin" />
  <row Id="19" PostId="15" Score="0" Text="&quot;a reputation recalc cannot take into account votes from questions since then deleted&quot; this seems to simply be &quot;the way it's done&quot; vs a real technical limitation. votes are retained on deleted posts, so it would be possible to include them in a recalculation." CreationDate="2009-07-05T20:16:57.567" UserDisplayName="Kyle Cronin" />
  <row Id="20" PostId="15" Score="0" Text="Coulda sworn this was actually called out in the FAQ at one point, but can't find it now. Note that *down-votes* on deleted posts also go away, so you could potentially **gain** rep during a recalc..." CreationDate="2009-07-05T20:41:41.627" UserDisplayName="Shog9" />
  <row Id="21" PostId="17" Score="0" Text="Beat me too it. Reps are 101 on SF and 1057 on SO." CreationDate="2009-07-06T15:23:14.683" UserDisplayName="ChrisF" />
  <row Id="22" PostId="17" Score="0" Text="I thought that might have been the case but I didn't bother to check the reps." CreationDate="2009-07-06T15:24:03.547" UserDisplayName="TheTXI" />
  <row Id="23" PostId="17" Score="0" Text="That's a rather strange decision isn't it? What's the logic behind it?" CreationDate="2009-07-06T15:25:43.310" UserDisplayName="trex279" />
  <row Id="24" PostId="17" Score="1" Text="http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/03/responsible-advertising-feed-a-programmer/" CreationDate="2009-07-06T16:12:39.213" UserDisplayName="Joel Coehoorn" />
  <row Id="25" PostId="17" Score="1" Text="So that people that are invested in the site are rewarded by not seeing so many ads." CreationDate="2009-07-06T16:27:29.893" UserDisplayName="Al" />
  <row Id="26" PostId="17" Score="0" Text="More likely, frequent users to the site are unlikely to click on the ads directly anyway- they know where to look in the layout for the content they need and won't even see them." CreationDate="2009-07-06T17:13:55.537" UserDisplayName="Joel Coehoorn" />
  <row Id="6057" PostId="17" Score="0" Text="It's a great way to put off the new users and stifle the expansion of the server fault community..." CreationDate="2012-05-01T08:14:10.107" UserId="17767" />
  <row Id="27" PostId="18" Score="0" Text="Could I please spend reputation on not seeing any ads anywhere on the trilogy sites?" CreationDate="2009-07-23T01:11:13.220" UserDisplayName="Tom Hawtin - tackline" />
  <row Id="28" PostId="18" Score="0" Text="Precisely?               ?" CreationDate="2009-07-23T16:06:52.223" UserDisplayName="dlamblin" />
  <row Id="29" PostId="19" Score="0" Text=".                            Epic" CreationDate="2009-07-09T10:01:27.763" UserDisplayName="Jonathan Sampson" />
  <row Id="30" PostId="19" Score="1" Text="I guess it's not my faul [sic]. ;-)" CreationDate="2009-07-27T11:26:03.873" UserDisplayName="splattne" />
  <row Id="31" PostId="20" Score="0" Text="I see what you did there!" CreationDate="2009-08-21T11:01:15.410" UserDisplayName="Jonathan Sampson" />
  <row Id="32" PostId="25" Score="0" Text="Well.. I asked my question because I have seen questions about Desktops being closed that clearly showed a professional application (i.e. support of other users in a commercial environment). This seems to be in contradiction to the faq especially the part you quoted. Why are those questions closed?" CreationDate="2009-07-11T15:25:52.757" UserDisplayName="txwikinger" />
  <row Id="33" PostId="25" Score="0" Text="I don't know. Flag them for moderator attention whenever you see them." CreationDate="2009-07-11T15:50:28.180" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="34" PostId="26" Score="2" Text="Noob question: what is the markup to display the tags?" CreationDate="2009-07-20T22:23:44.370" UserDisplayName="TM" />
  <row Id="35" PostId="26" Score="1" Text="&lt;kbd&gt;open-source&lt;/kbd&gt;, see e.g. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1939/kbd-elements-are-way-intrusive/1941" CreationDate="2009-07-21T07:55:19.170" UserDisplayName="Jonik" />
  <row Id="52" PostId="36" Score="0" Text="The same happens me too for SO sometimes. Your geo-location seem to be one reason. This suggests me that the trouble is specific to the users-per-server -ratio." CreationDate="2009-07-18T15:41:50.973" UserDisplayName="Masi" />
  <row Id="53" PostId="36" Score="0" Text="http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/serverfault.com" CreationDate="2009-07-18T16:53:52.773" UserDisplayName="esm" />
  <row Id="54" PostId="36" Score="0" Text="The issue appears to be DNS based, not a serverfault" CreationDate="2009-07-18T17:31:01.213" UserDisplayName="Cian" />
  <row Id="55" PostId="36" Score="0" Text="please see http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7070/serverfault-down-how-to-get-into-superuser-beta" CreationDate="2009-07-19T12:04:33.657" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="56" PostId="36" Score="0" Text="Ooh, in a way I'm oddly glad that it's not just my Macs/Safari etc. The fact that the 3 sister sites seemed to be fine did cause me to doubt it was a problem specifically at /my/ end. Fingers crossed the network experts can get it all working again. :-)" CreationDate="2009-07-19T15:31:52.400" UserDisplayName="robsoft" />
  <row Id="57" PostId="37" Score="0" Text="Thanks Jeff. I'll try it on a few different machines and connections, and try to get some more diagnostic information." CreationDate="2009-07-18T14:09:01.787" UserDisplayName="robsoft" />
  <row Id="58" PostId="45" Score="1" Text="I think I would probably agree with those other reasons, I was just worried about the precedent.  I think when you close a question, it is different from other people closing in that people will give it more weight as to what the site is for.  I really like this site, so just don't want to see it become a site that people think is mostly just for Windows Administrators." CreationDate="2009-07-20T10:43:13.037" UserDisplayName="Kyle Brandt" />
  <row Id="3182" PostId="45" Score="0" Text="+1 for no freaking clue; it really should have stayed closed, IMO." CreationDate="2011-08-13T02:32:47.560" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="59" PostId="47" Score="0" Text="Just find the password on blog.stackoverflow.com" CreationDate="2009-07-21T16:38:49.713" UserDisplayName="Brad Gilbert" />
  <row Id="66" PostId="52" Score="1" Text="Thank you for your confidence in our abilities, but...&#xA;http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2048/where-can-i-ask-questions-that-arent-it-questions  At this time, the grand experiment that is serverfault.com would like very much not to be PCissues.com" CreationDate="2009-05-22T16:58:27.393" UserDisplayName="Kara Marfia" />
  <row Id="67" PostId="53" Score="4" Text="lots of things are inevitable... doesn't mean they're good..." CreationDate="2009-04-30T08:47:14.317" UserDisplayName="Mikeage" />
  <row Id="68" PostId="53" Score="0" Text="It's up to the people with moderation privileges, since anybody who'd actually read the FAQ first will know better." CreationDate="2009-12-22T15:18:38.933" UserDisplayName="David Thornley" />
  <row Id="69" PostId="54" Score="0" Text="And not a personal desktop." CreationDate="2009-04-30T08:38:51.543" UserDisplayName="Jauder Ho" />
  <row Id="70" PostId="54" Score="13" Text="But my personal desktop is also my work desktop, can I ask anything I want?" CreationDate="2009-04-30T08:41:15.813" UserDisplayName="Peter Coulton" />
  <row Id="71" PostId="54" Score="0" Text="Next question: If I help friends (for free) with their computers and run into something I can't figure out, does that count as professional?" CreationDate="2009-04-30T23:32:06.763" UserDisplayName="mmyers" />
  <row Id="72" PostId="54" Score="0" Text="Not only is my personal desktop my work desktop, but so are my servers and everything else on my home/office network - 12 PCs at the last count" CreationDate="2009-07-23T15:50:49.480" />
  <row Id="961" PostId="54" Score="2" Text="If it's a personal computer it doesn't matter if it's also your work computer; **it's still a home computer** and most of those questions will belong on SU. **If you aren't sure, post on SU** and they'll recognize if it's more appropriate for SF." CreationDate="2010-08-02T20:40:33.120" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="73" PostId="56" Score="0" Text="It doesn't really say &quot;multiple servers&quot; - multiple desktops, sure.  But you can usually tell the difference between &quot;I want to change this setting&quot; and &quot;I have x hundred computers that I want to change this setting on&quot; - for instance, the x hundred computers person is likely to be after a scriptable way." CreationDate="2009-04-30T11:21:07.957" UserDisplayName="Richard Gadsden" />
  <row Id="74" PostId="57" Score="1" Text="Great, point -- dumps of that sort of information will raise the s/n ratio significantly, and attract users searching for foo.dll who lack clue." CreationDate="2009-05-10T02:44:06.967" UserDisplayName="duffbeer703" />
  <row Id="966" PostId="60" Score="0" Text="+!, At the worst they'll migrate it to SF if it should be there." CreationDate="2010-08-03T01:07:51.260" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="79" PostId="66" Score="0" Text="I guess that's the problem - 'sqlserver' tag on SF has become more prevalent, and similarly on SO for 'sql-server'.  Difficult to start to use one over the other, unless a mod can re-tag first" CreationDate="2009-09-03T11:16:17.520" UserDisplayName="Kev Riley" />
  <row Id="124" PostId="119" Score="4" Text="downvoted because the spelling is in fact correct" CreationDate="2009-08-01T19:14:29.643" UserDisplayName="Nathan Fellman" />
  <row Id="125" PostId="119" Score="6" Text="Upvoted because it is stupid to have both british and american spellings for tags." CreationDate="2009-08-01T19:17:08.237" UserDisplayName="TheTXI" />
  <row Id="126" PostId="119" Score="1" Text="To represent the non-native English speakers: who cares? Your little quarrels about *ou* or *o*, *er* or *re* are amusing in the beginning, but become boring fast." CreationDate="2009-08-01T19:41:55.737" UserDisplayName="Ladybug Killer" />
  <row Id="127" PostId="119" Score="1" Text="I _am_ a native English speaker, and I agree with John. Try to find a more useful outlet for your time and energy." CreationDate="2009-08-01T20:29:27.170" UserDisplayName="Telemachus" />
  <row Id="128" PostId="119" Score="0" Text="It should be spelled right, 'center'." CreationDate="2009-08-02T01:48:41.387" UserDisplayName="Lance Roberts" />
  <row Id="129" PostId="119" Score="2" Text="while we have the chance... Change it all 'center' or 'centre' to &quot;centr&quot; and 'colour' or 'color' to &quot;colr&quot; ends the debate forever" CreationDate="2009-08-02T09:47:25.443" UserDisplayName="Shahmir Javaid" />
  <row Id="130" PostId="119" Score="1" Text="@Shahmir: initialiing? Thats fun!  :)" CreationDate="2009-08-02T10:20:36.233" UserDisplayName="Ladybug Killer" />
  <row Id="131" PostId="119" Score="1" Text="u know what in the early days of coding... I had a whole 4 hours of nightmare in figuring out why 'background-colour:#000000' wasn't working. Im for the movement." CreationDate="2009-08-02T11:56:56.320" UserDisplayName="Shahmir Javaid" />
  <row Id="132" PostId="119" Score="0" Text="Just to let you know John my First up vote on Meta belongs to you.. :D" CreationDate="2009-08-02T21:46:17.650" UserDisplayName="Shahmir Javaid" />
  <row Id="133" PostId="120" Score="4" Text="It's also the &quot;fat-fingered US&quot; spelling..." CreationDate="2009-08-01T19:18:59.637" UserDisplayName="Shog9" />
  <row Id="134" PostId="120" Score="5" Text="That's the spelling for &quot;center&quot;. But there is simply no such thing as MS Media Centre. MS is not marketing that stuff with that spelling and I don't think they ever will." CreationDate="2009-08-01T20:23:07.900" UserDisplayName="innaM" />
  <row Id="135" PostId="121" Score="1" Text="Maybe you should care more about the hyphen, than about the ending." CreationDate="2009-08-01T19:52:14.217" UserDisplayName="Ladybug Killer" />
  <row Id="136" PostId="121" Score="0" Text="I have no idea what you are talking about." CreationDate="2009-08-01T19:56:29.187" UserDisplayName="TheTXI" />
  <row Id="137" PostId="121" Score="1" Text="mediacenter, media-center - both are used-" CreationDate="2009-08-01T19:59:16.170" UserDisplayName="Ladybug Killer" />
  <row Id="138" PostId="121" Score="0" Text="I would imagine that mediacenter should also be merged into the media-center tag as well." CreationDate="2009-08-02T03:43:16.193" UserDisplayName="TheTXI" />
  <row Id="139" PostId="123" Score="0" Text="So many apostrophes left on the floor..." CreationDate="2009-08-02T08:42:24.480" UserDisplayName="random" />
  <row Id="140" PostId="123" Score="1" Text="they wrnt sqigly undrlind red :D" CreationDate="2009-08-02T09:10:32.957" UserDisplayName="Shahmir Javaid" />
  <row Id="7254" PostId="124" Score="0" Text="It's probably a bit late to note this, but this should not have been migrated from meta." CreationDate="2012-10-15T02:07:21.340" UserId="56865" />
  <row Id="141" PostId="127" Score="1" Text="Do we really need to answer this? Everybody here knows the answer, and the OP isn't registered here." CreationDate="2009-08-06T21:38:24.130" UserDisplayName="mmyers" />
  <row Id="142" PostId="129" Score="0" Text="I'm re-opening this specifically to focus on the _cleanup_ aspect: correcting any posts out there that might still be truncated.  @Jeff: please feel free to reverse that if it breaks or shows up again on some internal tracking tool." CreationDate="2009-09-04T16:14:04.333" UserDisplayName="Joel Coehoorn" />
  <row Id="143" PostId="130" Score="2" Text="I found a total of 9 answers of mine with their HTML truncated (see my answer below). Would you agree this may likely affect other answers from other dedicated users? If yes, would that be worth of a blog post explaining the situation (and how the users can check from themselves if they are affected, see my answer), or would you say the number is marginal and that nobody cares?" CreationDate="2009-08-24T13:37:51.443" UserDisplayName="VonC" />
  <row Id="144" PostId="130" Score="0" Text="Also, do you have a more precise idea of the &quot;maximum length based on the SQL data type&quot;? I found empirically 4500 or 5000 for the HTML length of &quot;Body&quot;. To have a more precise number would help, in order to request the smallest amount of answers as possible, for the user to check." CreationDate="2009-08-24T13:40:24.697" UserDisplayName="VonC" />
  <row Id="145" PostId="130" Score="3" Text="Just a quick update (in case you missed my previous comments): I have completed my answer: 250 potentially truncated answers are concerned (for StackOverflow), including a very interesting answer of yours about abstraction. Do you you have a status about what you feel adequate to do in term of information for the users affected by this issue?" CreationDate="2009-08-25T07:46:31.507" UserDisplayName="VonC" />
  <row Id="146" PostId="130" Score="0" Text="final update: 171 users may be affected by this &quot;truncated answers&quot; issue (see my answer below). Is there an internal fix in plan for this, or will the users be notified (for them to edit and fix their message)?" CreationDate="2009-08-27T07:58:52.623" UserDisplayName="VonC" />
  <row Id="147" PostId="130" Score="1" Text="Just a &quot;ping&quot;, to check if you have a status on the &quot;truncated answers&quot; issue (details are in my answer below)." CreationDate="2009-08-31T07:39:23.200" UserDisplayName="VonC" />
  <row Id="148" PostId="130" Score="0" Text="Good thing you released the data to the public frequently (and I assume it was all backed up before you ran the script anyway)." CreationDate="2009-09-18T02:05:56.980" UserDisplayName="dlamblin" />
  <row Id="149" PostId="130" Score="0" Text="As far as I can tell, this hasn't been fixed, as the post here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/51094#52640 is getting cut off." CreationDate="2010-03-17T21:44:47.337" UserDisplayName="notJim" />
  <row Id="150" PostId="132" Score="0" Text="@Joel It seems there may be a little more than one or two answers truncated: see my answer above." CreationDate="2009-08-26T20:54:54.803" UserDisplayName="VonC" />
  <row Id="151" PostId="133" Score="0" Text="+1 Well done. The character limit seems to be touchy though (the original bugged post was truncated after ~3200 characters)." CreationDate="2009-08-25T06:49:37.363" UserDisplayName="Ian Elliott" />
  <row Id="152" PostId="133" Score="0" Text="@Ian: the length of the truncated post varies a lot: 2800, 3000, 3200... but not post *originally* under 5000 chars seems to have been affected. So my limit for SQL request is 5000." CreationDate="2009-08-25T07:14:21.637" UserDisplayName="VonC" />
  <row Id="153" PostId="133" Score="2" Text="@Ian: by the way, a *huge* thank you for statoverflow: it is a very, very useful tool to have!" CreationDate="2009-08-25T07:15:59.777" UserDisplayName="VonC" />
  <row Id="154" PostId="133" Score="0" Text="Hmm... Try using CHAR_Length() rather than LENGHT() to get a more-consistent character count, and limit the query to posts with the lasteditdate &lt; '2009-08-07'" CreationDate="2009-09-04T15:14:51.430" UserDisplayName="Joel Coehoorn" />
  <row Id="155" PostId="133" Score="0" Text="lasteditdate &lt; '2009-08-07' ? Not with statoverflow: it is still based on the July dump :(. I will try this week end with the last September dump." CreationDate="2009-09-04T19:53:16.927" UserDisplayName="VonC" />
  <row Id="156" PostId="133" Score="1" Text="@VonC: Thanks for the statoverflow query! It helped me find and fix a few of my answers that were affected by this problem." CreationDate="2009-09-10T13:50:59.507" UserDisplayName="gnovice" />
  <row Id="161" PostId="136" Score="4" Text="5 is not relevant, though. 1-4 are. I hate having to post a comment that says &quot;Are you getting an error message? If you are, post it.&quot;" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:02:19.873" UserDisplayName="Thomas Owens" />
  <row Id="162" PostId="136" Score="1" Text="I don't think you need to disclose if you're getting paid for the error.  If you do thousands of programmers on SO might be out of a job." CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:02:32.167" UserDisplayName="Ian Elliott" />
  <row Id="163" PostId="136" Score="0" Text="There are only 35 people on SF with enough rep to vote to close?!  How does anything get done on that site?" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:05:59.947" UserDisplayName="Hilarious Comedy Pesto" />
  <row Id="164" PostId="136" Score="0" Text="Okay, edited question 5." CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:06:03.533" UserDisplayName="Ernie" />
  <row Id="165" PostId="136" Score="2" Text="@Pesto: Oh, that's easy. Evan Anderson appears to do nothing but monitor SF all day. ;)" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:08:28.990" UserDisplayName="Ernie" />
  <row Id="166" PostId="136" Score="2" Text="@Ernie: You guys have your own **He Who Shall Not Be Named** and everything?  How adorable!" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:15:03.703" UserDisplayName="Hilarious Comedy Pesto" />
  <row Id="167" PostId="136" Score="1" Text="Oh, and this applies to SO and SU as well, IMO. At least 1, 2, 4, and 5 do. 3 in some cases, but not all." CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:15:59.037" UserDisplayName="Thomas Owens" />
  <row Id="168" PostId="136" Score="0" Text="Also, &quot;Have you googled it?&quot; should be number one, moving all others down one step. Edited to add this." CreationDate="2009-08-10T15:48:31.733" UserDisplayName="Ernie" />
  <row Id="169" PostId="136" Score="1" Text="@Ernie disagree 100% that Googling should be a prerequisite to posting the question." CreationDate="2009-09-01T18:00:00.000" UserDisplayName="Rex M" />
  <row Id="170" PostId="136" Score="0" Text="-1 for &quot;Have you googled it?&quot;" CreationDate="2009-09-09T06:58:44.377" UserDisplayName="Ladybug Killer" />
  <row Id="171" PostId="136" Score="0" Text="On superuser, before being allowed to post your question, you should be asked if you tried using 7-Zip or VLC. It's usually the answer to everything, much like **42**." CreationDate="2009-09-09T13:21:18.663" UserDisplayName="alex" />
  <row Id="172" PostId="137" Score="0" Text="To add - We have stated on various occassion that Google is the SO Home Page - Therefore every question should lead here." CreationDate="2009-09-09T14:11:29.557" UserDisplayName="Diago" />
  <row Id="173" PostId="139" Score="1" Text="Deleted comments due to edit :)" CreationDate="2009-09-09T14:29:41.660" UserDisplayName="Diago" />
  <row Id="174" PostId="139" Score="1" Text="Now *that* is abuse of power! Each comment of mine is a work of art; only I may delete it, and only just before Welbog has answered it!" CreationDate="2009-09-09T14:43:48.887" UserDisplayName="balpha" />
  <row Id="175" PostId="139" Score="1" Text="Yes! Abuse of power! I wished I could upvote him twice..." CreationDate="2009-09-09T14:57:28.317" UserDisplayName="Ladybug Killer" />
  <row Id="176" PostId="139" Score="0" Text="@balpha - Will the pony I &quot;borrowed&quot; from TheTXI and the &quot;waffles&quot; I confiscated of Welbog make up for it? :)" CreationDate="2009-09-09T14:58:32.077" UserDisplayName="Diago" />
  <row Id="222" PostId="161" Score="1" Text="This is called an &quot;unresolved bounty&quot;, has already been reported ( http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1413 ) and is &quot;by design&quot; for now. See also http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/13133/no-question-marked-answered-when-bounty-expired" CreationDate="2009-08-10T07:59:23.233" UserDisplayName="VonC" />
  <row Id="223" PostId="161" Score="0" Text="Hmm. I'm pretty sure that I upvoted the answer I liked **before** the deadline. And I would have accepted it as the answer if I was able to. But then again, I am probably mistaken (otherwise many others would be seeing this same problem!). Thanks for that!" CreationDate="2009-08-10T08:32:24.383" UserDisplayName="jpoh" />
  <row Id="224" PostId="161" Score="0" Text="If you do not select any answer before the deadline, the most upvoted answer will be auto selected **if it has at least 2 upvotes**. Your preferred answer was only upvoted once. Hence no-autoselection, and &quot;close bounty&quot; means: no selection ever again (for now)." CreationDate="2009-08-10T12:18:20.123" UserDisplayName="VonC" />
  <row Id="225" PostId="163" Score="0" Text="I can totally get behind DevDays/AdminDays/whatever in Portland, so long as it can be held on the opposite coast. And by that I mean Portland, Maine of course. :-)" CreationDate="2009-08-12T05:47:21.400" UserDisplayName="Kyle Cronin" />
  <row Id="226" PostId="163" Score="1" Text="Apologies for the lack of specificity!  I grew up in New England, you'd think I'd know better.  I'd also settle for an Admin Day in Bah Habah." CreationDate="2009-08-12T06:00:59.457" />
  <row Id="227" PostId="165" Score="16" Text="If you're feeling cold, imagine if you were Doctype.com" CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:12:49.813" UserDisplayName="random" />
  <row Id="228" PostId="165" Score="7" Text="StackOverflow.com is also the name of the company." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:22:59.587" UserDisplayName="random" />
  <row Id="229" PostId="165" Score="0" Text="Hmm, I wasn't aware of that. That does change things a bit..." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:34:49.573" UserDisplayName="Farseeker" />
  <row Id="230" PostId="165" Score="2" Text="Without programmers from stackoverflow to create server software, there would be no servers to troubleshoot when your hardware and their software faults. ;)" CreationDate="2009-08-17T07:19:56.623" UserDisplayName="Troggy" />
  <row Id="231" PostId="166" Score="3" Text="Oh, I'm aware of that. I'm just not sure if other people from other sites would be. Is the name &quot;meta stack overflow&quot; still appropriate? because it's not a stack overflow-only site..." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:07:29.070" UserDisplayName="Farseeker" />
  <row Id="232" PostId="166" Score="2" Text="Same goes for the blog. The blog now compasses a lot more than just stack overflow, so should it be moved to a neutral domain?" CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:09:38.193" UserDisplayName="Farseeker" />
  <row Id="233" PostId="166" Score="0" Text="Farseeker: all the sites have the links to the blog and meta. And the blog lists all the sites. I don't think that the domain name should really be considered that seriously. StackOverflow is more than just a single site, it's a paradigm. Most people associate the way the sites work with SO more than they would StackExchange, so it makes more sense." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:12:37.490" UserDisplayName="TheTXI" />
  <row Id="234" PostId="166" Score="0" Text="I agree with your sentiment, except for &quot;The domain name should not be considered that seriously&quot;. I would argue that the domain name is incredibly important, as a subdomain implies a trusted relationship with the TLD. A subdomain on stackoverflow.com has no trust with superuser.com or serverfault.com except by association (they're all part of the trilogy)..." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:17:50.807" UserDisplayName="Farseeker" />
  <row Id="235" PostId="166" Score="0" Text="Trust with the parent domain (not tld)*" CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:18:26.953" UserDisplayName="Farseeker" />
  <row Id="236" PostId="167" Score="0" Text="True that it's the root of the community, but that doesn't mean it has to be the focus of every peripheral function. Especially when the name 'stack overflow' is attached to everything, but a user who stumbles upon Super User isn't going to know what stack overflow is." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:15:47.423" UserDisplayName="Farseeker" />
  <row Id="237" PostId="167" Score="0" Text="@Farseeker: And I don't think that a user who stumbles on SU knows nor cares about StackOverflow. But, really, if they want to start becoming a part of the community, StackOverflow is a big part of what SU is, where it came from, and how it was built. I don't think it's a bad thing to make that history transparent." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:40:51.063" UserDisplayName="Eric" />
  <row Id="238" PostId="167" Score="0" Text="I like to think I'm a useful contributor to the community, but I haven't been to Stack Overflow except for a glance to see what colour scheme it uses. Because each site targets a very different audience. History is important to those who were there since the beginning, but the history of the site/community is of little or no significance to someone who just wants to get the job done..." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:45:39.760" UserDisplayName="Farseeker" />
  <row Id="239" PostId="167" Score="0" Text="@Farseeker: I think that history plays a huge role in what types of questions are accepted at ServerFault, how issues are handled, etc. StackOverflow only comes up once you start wanting to learn more about the community--either via the blog or via Meta. If that's the case, you have to get where the community came from to understand why we are the way we are. You don't have to go to StackOverflow, but there's nothing wrong with keeping the blog and Meta names/URLs." CreationDate="2009-08-17T03:06:52.870" UserDisplayName="Eric" />
  <row Id="240" PostId="169" Score="0" Text="I admit I had similar feelings when I was reading the comments about DocType (I'm quite a lurker, a lot of reading and voting). I bet they felt quite ostracised by people's reactions... I wonder if it's a bit of xenophobia..." CreationDate="2009-08-17T04:39:20.907" UserDisplayName="Farseeker" />
  <row Id="241" PostId="169" Score="2" Text="It's more accurate to say that Meta is about the Trilogy, not the LoJ. I don't think How-To Geek feature requests/bugs belong here any more than DocType's did." CreationDate="2009-08-17T06:53:52.697" UserDisplayName="Kyle Cronin" />
  <row Id="242" PostId="169" Score="0" Text="DocType is a Q&amp;A site, so it has a thematic similarity that HTG doesn't (HTG is the editorial content yang to superuser's user generated content yin)" CreationDate="2009-08-17T08:48:15.353" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="243" PostId="171" Score="4" Text="On Superuser I have a similar problem, people ask questions of which you know beforehand: the solution to this is impossible or non-existent... Good luck telling that person that" CreationDate="2009-08-19T05:18:01.440" UserDisplayName="Ivo Flipse" />
  <row Id="18941" PostId="171" Score="0" Text="@Ivo, That depends. There are questions that are impossible to solve now, but wait a few months and they become solvable. When the question is *&quot;How can I solve this&quot;*, then *&quot;this is unsolvable&quot;* should be a comment and not an answer." CreationDate="2015-05-18T17:47:56.910" UserId="87017" />
  <row Id="244" PostId="174" Score="0" Text="The back and forth discussion is generally how server and system problems usually get fixed.  From this point of view, programmers have a much easier time of things, as they have code samples to deal with.  Systems folks don't always have that option as we usually don't have access to the code of the problem we are trying to fix so we have to work around the software we are dealing with." CreationDate="2009-08-19T05:41:40.957" UserDisplayName="mrdenny" />
  <row Id="245" PostId="174" Score="0" Text="Squillman, thanks for analyzing all my questions!!! You were right about the shutdown script post - I accepted the answer just because I was being nagged to! When I posted those earlier questions I don't think SuperUser was running, so thanks for moving them to the right place." CreationDate="2009-08-20T03:34:37.203" UserDisplayName="rwired" />
  <row Id="246" PostId="176" Score="0" Text="That would also work with some Super User questions." CreationDate="2009-08-19T14:26:07.507" UserDisplayName="Brad Gilbert" />
  <row Id="247" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="Ah, thanks for pointing that out! I've updated said question with some ascii art. Hope it gets some hits now!!!" CreationDate="2009-08-20T04:19:09.517" UserDisplayName="rwired" />
  <row Id="248" PostId="177" Score="0" Text="I can't think of what it could be at the moment, but I at least upvoted your question! ;-)" CreationDate="2009-08-20T11:16:04.077" UserDisplayName="Kyle Brandt" />
  <row Id="249" PostId="178" Score="21" Text="The real problem I see is that people just upvote the highest voted answer, even when there are better answers below. More than once I've seen the highest voted answer incorrect or incomplete, when there's a better answer just below it!" CreationDate="2009-06-13T10:46:50.243" UserDisplayName="Farseeker" />
  <row Id="250" PostId="178" Score="0" Text="Add your comment as an answer Farseeker and I'll upvote it ;)." CreationDate="2009-06-13T16:14:53.310" UserDisplayName="jtimberman" />
  <row Id="251" PostId="178" Score="1" Text="@Farseeker - well that's always been the case with forums, a correct but unpopular answer can easily get ignored in favour of people being told what they want to hear. Of course, with &quot;the community&quot; voting, the cream should rise to the top in theory, but if the question asker approves a bodge that lets them carry on doing things the wrong way over someone telling them to rethink their entire concept because its flawed, what can you do eh?" CreationDate="2009-06-13T17:54:23.093" UserDisplayName="Robert Moir" />
  <row Id="252" PostId="178" Score="0" Text="@Farseeker: 1 million lemmings **can't** be wrong." CreationDate="2009-08-25T09:36:17.060" UserDisplayName="Steve Schnepp" />
  <row Id="253" PostId="182" Score="1" Text="Jay,  You have 31 rep points, so you should be able to upvote, per the FAQ, upvoting only takes 15 rep points, and doesn't cost anything." CreationDate="2009-06-13T16:03:47.467" UserDisplayName="BillN" />
  <row Id="254" PostId="182" Score="0" Text="At the time I wrote this, I had only 10 points!  I updated my response to reflect my 'enfranchised' status!" CreationDate="2009-06-13T17:16:31.673" UserDisplayName="Jay Riggs" />
  <row Id="255" PostId="183" Score="0" Text="The tag is called &quot;serverfault&quot;" CreationDate="2009-06-13T06:04:03.667" UserDisplayName="Ian Kelling" />
  <row Id="256" PostId="183" Score="2" Text="Your answer is good, so I couldn't help but upvote it.  :)" CreationDate="2009-06-13T07:04:07.977" UserDisplayName="Ward" />
  <row Id="257" PostId="183" Score="0" Text="Ditto, I had to upvote as well. Tempted to accept answer, but I made the Q a wiki :-)." CreationDate="2009-06-13T08:03:55.233" UserDisplayName="jtimberman" />
  <row Id="258" PostId="183" Score="0" Text="Well put sir:  &quot;interesting, good questions, but not something worth bringing to the attention of the greater community&quot;" CreationDate="2010-03-03T17:48:48.027" UserDisplayName="Stephano" />
  <row Id="259" PostId="184" Score="2" Text="The questions I've upvoted are ones that are clearly written and the topic is one I consider relevant to SF - something that appropriately technical and that I think is likely to be interesting to someone else." CreationDate="2009-06-13T07:30:39.420" UserDisplayName="Ward" />
  <row Id="260" PostId="184" Score="1" Text="All of that and the answer cannot be found easy using a search engine." CreationDate="2009-06-13T16:20:01.303" UserDisplayName="Bratch" />
  <row Id="261" PostId="185" Score="0" Text="Unless the question has already been answered, I think every question is worth asking since there are different skill levels on the site." CreationDate="2010-02-22T14:02:31.553" UserDisplayName="zooropa" />
  <row Id="262" PostId="185" Score="0" Text="I agree with zooropa.  Also, if you take time out of your day to answer a question that isn't worth asking, what does that say about the value of your time?" CreationDate="2010-03-03T17:47:28.887" UserDisplayName="Stephano" />
  <row Id="1814" PostId="185" Score="1" Text="Well a question could be useful to the asker but mundane. As to the value of my time, answering a &quot;poor&quot; question once and pointing people at the answer afterwards is still cheaper than answering it all the time and more helpful than getting annoyed with them for asking." CreationDate="2011-01-20T17:41:19.177" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="263" PostId="186" Score="1" Text="The good questions with few upvotes but have highly upvoted answers (even accepted) is really what confuses me. Why would people upvote lots of answers in a question but not the question itself?" CreationDate="2009-06-13T08:02:18.483" UserDisplayName="jtimberman" />
  <row Id="264" PostId="186" Score="0" Text="I don't know... I just upvoted a question that was at 0 but with a few upvoted answers.  It wasn't a complex question, which I think people are less inclined to upvote." CreationDate="2009-06-14T10:04:17.477" UserDisplayName="Ward" />
  <row Id="265" PostId="186" Score="0" Text="jtimberman: just because a question is not that interesting doesn't mean that it can't attract really good answers.  Or even just have people think 'yeah, that's right' [click]" CreationDate="2009-08-04T04:05:50.417" UserDisplayName="David Mackintosh" />
  <row Id="266" PostId="190" Score="0" Text="This is an interesting response.  Can you explain questions that are &quot;favorited&quot; without an up-vote?" CreationDate="2009-12-04T14:38:27.547" UserDisplayName="mrduclaw" />
  <row Id="12184" PostId="190" Score="0" Text="@mrduclaw that's because the star-er thinks they might learn from the topic however do not believe the question is of great quality or contributes to bettering the site." CreationDate="2014-01-06T11:01:58.627" UserId="123098" />
  <row Id="267" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="There are several existsing questions that address these issues already. This is one: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10811/homework-on-stackoverflow" CreationDate="2009-08-26T17:25:52.870" UserDisplayName="EBGreen" />
  <row Id="268" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="Another: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/17170/handling-questions-that-are-clearly-trying-to-break-some-kind-of-policy-tos-etc" CreationDate="2009-08-26T17:26:42.197" UserDisplayName="EBGreen" />
  <row Id="269" PostId="192" Score="2" Text="I think hackers are great!! Probably you're referring to crackers. The difference is the same as from  Automobile Engineer and a guy with who can start an engine using cables.  ( I remember have  read about this somewhere but I can't remember where )" CreationDate="2009-08-27T01:38:51.407" UserDisplayName="Oscar Reyes" />
  <row Id="270" PostId="193" Score="0" Text="Yes, but how do you tell?" CreationDate="2009-08-26T15:58:16.307" UserDisplayName="Joseph Kern" />
  <row Id="271" PostId="193" Score="0" Text="Tell what specific information should be left out, or tell who the h/c/l are?" CreationDate="2009-08-26T16:22:20.827" UserDisplayName="Lance Roberts" />
  <row Id="272" PostId="193" Score="0" Text="Unless someone says they are, assume they're not." CreationDate="2009-08-26T16:26:27.903" UserDisplayName="Cian" />
  <row Id="273" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="Nice links (both of them)." CreationDate="2009-08-26T16:09:28.700" UserDisplayName="Joseph Kern" />
  <row Id="274" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="Great point.  Using the tools built into the site to address different issues." CreationDate="2009-08-26T17:31:02.873" UserDisplayName="Kara Marfia" />
  <row Id="275" PostId="205" Score="0" Text=":p" CreationDate="2009-08-31T22:43:57.477" UserDisplayName="Kyle Hodgson" />
  <row Id="1787" PostId="207" Score="3" Text="And in case it isn't obvious enough - A network admin IS a system admin." CreationDate="2011-01-18T01:33:27.910" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="276" PostId="210" Score="0" Text="Perhaps I'm color blind as well." CreationDate="2009-09-30T03:57:03.617" UserDisplayName="Randell" />
  <row Id="277" PostId="211" Score="0" Text="Why is this community wiki?" CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:09:37.673" UserDisplayName="Troggy" />
  <row Id="278" PostId="211" Score="0" Text="Troggy's gone philosophical on us." CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:17:50.717" UserDisplayName="Weblog" />
  <row Id="279" PostId="211" Score="0" Text="-1 for random community wikiness" CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:19:52.617" UserDisplayName="TheTXI" />
  <row Id="280" PostId="211" Score="0" Text="Doesn't hurt anyone, though." CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:26:26.643" UserDisplayName="Johannes Rössel" />
  <row Id="281" PostId="211" Score="1" Text="Well, there have been quite a few questions that seem to just use wiki to avoid lost rep from a possible unpopular suggestion, answer or question. Can never know the true intentions of the OP, but can't help but wonder sometimes." CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:31:25.963" UserDisplayName="Troggy" />
  <row Id="282" PostId="211" Score="0" Text="I made it community wiki originally, change the question and realized I couldn't remove the community wiki. So sorry everyone...but I didn't think it was a big deal!" CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:52:47.423" UserDisplayName="Darryl Hein" />
  <row Id="283" PostId="212" Score="0" Text="And what's your answer to the question?" CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:54:31.677" UserDisplayName="Darryl Hein" />
  <row Id="284" PostId="212" Score="0" Text="The two colors are pretty much indistinguishable on my screens.  If I had to guess (and I do, the only person who can answer you meaningfully is the person who selected the color) I'd say it's not even intentional." CreationDate="2009-09-08T16:55:48.820" UserDisplayName="ベレアー アダム" />
  <row Id="285" PostId="213" Score="0" Text="The pink is a lie." CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:27:23.413" UserDisplayName="ベレアー アダム" />
  <row Id="286" PostId="213" Score="0" Text="The site is a triumph!  I'm making a comment here: HUGE SUCCESS!" CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:46:17.043" UserDisplayName="beska" />
  <row Id="287" PostId="214" Score="0" Text="You can try, but you will fail (even with SF): http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/13912/5-tags-is-too-few/13920" CreationDate="2009-09-11T12:21:03.877" UserDisplayName="Ladybug Killer" />
  <row Id="288" PostId="214" Score="1" Text="How 'bout some examples of questions that could use more than 5 tags..." CreationDate="2009-09-11T12:23:18.367" UserDisplayName="Shog9" />
  <row Id="289" PostId="214" Score="1" Text="Quick analysis of the public data dump for SF reveals... Oh crap, no data.  Uh... I guess... *(runs away)*" CreationDate="2009-09-11T12:25:28.470" UserDisplayName="ベレアー アダム" />
  <row Id="290" PostId="214" Score="0" Text="In this one, http://serverfault.com/questions/64465/slow-performance-with-mpls .  I wanted to add 'site-to-site-vpn' and vlan, because those are both important. This is the first time I ran into this myself, So I am interested in what other heavier users of SF think." CreationDate="2009-09-11T12:26:13.133" UserDisplayName="Kyle Brandt" />
  <row Id="291" PostId="214" Score="0" Text="My abuse of the tag tags is of course in jest ;-)" CreationDate="2009-09-11T12:31:32.953" UserDisplayName="Kyle Brandt" />
  <row Id="292" PostId="214" Score="0" Text="Well, you created two new tags with one question. Are they really necessary?" CreationDate="2009-09-11T12:46:11.303" UserDisplayName="Ladybug Killer" />
  <row Id="293" PostId="214" Score="0" Text="John Smithers:  Ya, I think they are..." CreationDate="2009-09-11T12:58:28.940" UserDisplayName="Kyle Brandt" />
  <row Id="294" PostId="214" Score="0" Text="@Kyle: they're necessary *because*...? How do they work to categorize your question such that others with the same problem or potential answers would find it more easily?" CreationDate="2009-09-11T13:17:51.867" UserDisplayName="Shog9" />
  <row Id="295" PostId="214" Score="0" Text="Shog: Because they are the technologies used directly with the connection that has the issues.  Since I don't know the answer yet, I can't give a better answer then that." CreationDate="2009-09-11T13:31:25.837" UserDisplayName="Kyle Brandt" />
  <row Id="296" PostId="214" Score="1" Text="@Kyle: i understand... Just trying to help you flesh this out a bit more: as Pesto notes, a single question doesn't justify changing the system, but if you could explain how, say, this question on Server Fault requires a tag for each company, system or technology involved while a question on Stack Overflow need not have a tag for each referenced class, then it might help to strengthen your argument." CreationDate="2009-09-11T14:13:32.297" UserDisplayName="Shog9" />
  <row Id="297" PostId="214" Score="0" Text="Sohg9:  Ya, you and Pesto have good points.  I don't care that much, it is the first time I have run in to it.  So no matter how good my argument is I think, unless some other SF people feel they would like more tags, then 5 is fine I guess.  So I really just want to see if any of them feel the same way." CreationDate="2009-09-11T14:32:54.260" UserDisplayName="Kyle Brandt" />
  <row Id="298" PostId="214" Score="0" Text="I would go through questions that have 5 tags, and post a comment requesting that those users participate on this question." CreationDate="2009-09-11T15:00:32.693" UserDisplayName="Brad Gilbert" />
  <row Id="299" PostId="215" Score="0" Text="I am going to eat pony-burgers for lunch, because I am taking that you think my tags might be superfluous personally." CreationDate="2009-09-11T14:34:29.590" UserDisplayName="Kyle Brandt" />
  <row Id="300" PostId="215" Score="0" Text="There is a nice place around the corner with shetland veal." CreationDate="2009-09-11T14:35:26.000" UserDisplayName="Kyle Brandt" />
  <row Id="301" PostId="223" Score="0" Text="Needs dropshadows!" CreationDate="2009-09-12T18:37:12.847" UserDisplayName="Shog9" />
  <row Id="302" PostId="223" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 you think that's where the DV came from?" CreationDate="2009-09-12T18:43:25.067" UserDisplayName="Rex M" />
  <row Id="303" PostId="223" Score="0" Text="I can't imagine any other reason for DVing this answer. Your hand-drawn circle is exquisite!" CreationDate="2009-09-12T22:20:34.603" UserDisplayName="Shog9" />
  <row Id="304" PostId="223" Score="1" Text="Symetric, anti-aliased and perfect red. That's a clear +1" CreationDate="2009-09-13T02:15:03.247" UserDisplayName="Wouter van Nifterick" />
  <row Id="305" PostId="223" Score="0" Text="Rex M: Quality, handcrafted red circles since 1998." CreationDate="2009-09-13T03:42:52.510" UserDisplayName="Rex M" />
  <row Id="306" PostId="225" Score="0" Text="probably related to http://serverfault.com/questions/64232/dead-gateway-detection-on-windows-2008-server" CreationDate="2009-09-13T05:42:36.157" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="307" PostId="228" Score="0" Text="This Q? http://serverfault.com/questions/67635/centos-dell-r710-qlogic-and-multipath" CreationDate="2009-09-22T11:44:02.223" UserDisplayName="random" />
  <row Id="308" PostId="228" Score="0" Text="@random. Yeah - I had hoped not to point it out specifically - But with you around :|" CreationDate="2009-09-22T11:45:31.407" UserDisplayName="Diago" />
  <row Id="309" PostId="228" Score="0" Text="Well, you did tag it with `specific-question` so it just looked like you were missing that. Somebody haunts Meta too much huh?" CreationDate="2009-09-22T11:56:11.480" UserDisplayName="random" />
  <row Id="310" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="A key may be to recognize what category of answer are you looking for: Humorous jokes, war stories from those in the trenches, problems some of us may know the tip or trick to fix, an opinion on something or something else altogether.  If there are environment factors like you want help debugging some issue then stating some of the environment factors can help resolve some things." CreationDate="2009-06-01T23:41:47.677" UserDisplayName="JB King" />
  <row Id="311" PostId="241" Score="0" Text="In short, better questions get better answers." CreationDate="2010-05-26T12:44:09.457" UserDisplayName="Chris S" />
  <row Id="312" PostId="242" Score="4" Text="+1 This is good on so many different levels..." CreationDate="2009-06-02T00:12:45.133" UserDisplayName="squillman" />
  <row Id="314" PostId="246" Score="0" Text="That's a good point about the SEO and following Google Trends.  Works for me.  I'd still like the retag since it's to merge related tags together!" CreationDate="2009-09-28T20:42:28.393" UserDisplayName="squillman" />
  <row Id="315" PostId="248" Score="2" Text="+1 for some SF lovin' ;)" CreationDate="2009-10-08T08:20:55.980" UserDisplayName="Farseeker" />
  <row Id="316" PostId="248" Score="1" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/24915/associate-accounts-with-other-so-family-sites" CreationDate="2009-10-08T08:49:36.507" UserDisplayName="MicTech" />
  <row Id="317" PostId="249" Score="1" Text="will the $29 cover me for those sites too? or will i have to fork out more cash?" CreationDate="2009-10-08T08:37:12.443" UserDisplayName="Nick Kavadias" />
  <row Id="318" PostId="249" Score="2" Text="You mean people are actually looking for superusers?" CreationDate="2009-10-08T10:09:07.053" UserDisplayName="Ivo Flipse" />
  <row Id="319" PostId="249" Score="9" Text="How about careers.meta.stackoverflow.com?  Jobs for people who are good at talking about stuff?" CreationDate="2009-10-08T10:12:35.267" UserDisplayName="hyperslug" />
  <row Id="320" PostId="249" Score="0" Text="@Ivo Who do you want providing tech support?" CreationDate="2009-10-08T10:50:45.980" UserDisplayName="Sinan Ünür" />
  <row Id="321" PostId="249" Score="2" Text="I'd like to think I'm doing more than tech support on SU, although that's probably exactly what I'm doing :(" CreationDate="2009-10-08T10:58:49.087" UserDisplayName="alex" />
  <row Id="322" PostId="252" Score="0" Text="I just edited my post, the comment was getting to complicated" CreationDate="2009-10-15T09:57:43.353" UserDisplayName="Ivo Flipse" />
  <row Id="323" PostId="252" Score="3" Text="I agree that having seperate sites doesn't make a great deal of sense, but I'd like to be able to have my Server Fault account be the prominant one, as thats where my skills really lie. It would also be good if employers looking for sysadmins could search for those with a high rep on SF rather than SO" CreationDate="2009-10-15T11:11:22.410" UserDisplayName="Sam Cogan" />
  <row Id="324" PostId="252" Score="0" Text="if that's the case, then you got my $30... now where are my free serverfault stickers dammit! i keep checking my mailbox daily, but still nothing" CreationDate="2009-10-15T13:29:24.950" UserDisplayName="Nick Kavadias" />
  <row Id="325" PostId="252" Score="4" Text="My 2 cents as a SF users...it get's annoying when the things done on the trilogy of sites center around SO and ignore the other communities. :)" CreationDate="2009-10-15T13:46:52.047" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="326" PostId="252" Score="2" Text="It would be really awesome to unsuppress the display of Serverfault badges on careers. I've got 101 on SO and 10K on SF." CreationDate="2009-10-28T14:44:40.697" UserDisplayName="David Pashley" />
  <row Id="327" PostId="252" Score="0" Text="Yep, would be great, i've got 1k on SO and 12K on SF" CreationDate="2009-10-29T14:10:06.623" UserDisplayName="Sam Cogan" />
  <row Id="328" PostId="252" Score="0" Text="So @Jeff any news?" CreationDate="2010-03-09T06:34:50.623" UserDisplayName="Ivo Flipse" />
  <row Id="2207" PostId="252" Score="0" Text="I would like to know too. While the splitting the conversation has some weight to it, having a separate place for sysadmin jobs would maybe bring more jobs to it. Currently there are not many on careers.SO" CreationDate="2011-03-15T23:16:23.610" UserId="48752" />
  <row Id="329" PostId="253" Score="5" Text="Maybe take a look at this question, it discusses the issues of attracting more professionals to the other trilogy sites: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/26689/how-do-we-grow-the-server-fault-and-super-user-communities" CreationDate="2009-10-27T15:56:19.260" UserDisplayName="Brandon" />
  <row Id="330" PostId="253" Score="0" Text="I object, the &quot;tech support for developpers&quot; is already SuperUser :]" CreationDate="2009-10-27T16:14:20.687" UserDisplayName="Gnoupi" />
  <row Id="331" PostId="253" Score="0" Text="@Brandon - It looks like Jeff has similar concerns.  Maybe this is a dupe then. :)" CreationDate="2009-10-27T16:33:24.193" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="332" PostId="253" Score="0" Text="@Gnoupi - It is hard to tell if there is a difference sometimes." CreationDate="2009-10-27T16:33:55.033" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="333" PostId="253" Score="2" Text="@DLux: Not all developers start out as technitions/support. @Everyone: All these answers should go into the duplicate question linked above. That was asked by Mt. Atwood himself. No better way to get your voice heard then answering a question from the man himself." CreationDate="2009-10-27T18:13:30.190" UserDisplayName="Troggy" />
  <row Id="334" PostId="253" Score="1" Text="&quot;but maybe not so well if you are trying to figure out how to block STP broadcasts on a specific port for HP Procurves.&quot; but that's a highly specific niche -- I'd always recommend a specific community around that product first. You could also argue that sysadmins tend to be, by the very nature of their jobs, in these deep niches more than programmers." CreationDate="2010-01-06T12:11:14.980" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="335" PostId="254" Score="0" Text="there is no question at all that the SF audience is fundamentally smaller.. you can see this just by trying to enumerate sysadmin / network / security blogs compared to programming blogs." CreationDate="2009-10-28T07:27:46.380" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="336" PostId="255" Score="3" Text="I think your two points hit the nail on the head for me.  If I am a Windows admin, hitting the front page of http://serverfault.com pretty much shows a bunch of uninteresting questions, and a lot of SU type questions.  Second, rarely do you get rewarded or asking or answering tough questions.  Neither of these are problems at *other* sites (Experts Exchange, Technet, etc)." CreationDate="2009-10-27T18:30:05.133" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="337" PostId="255" Score="0" Text="If you don't like the way the front page appears, you can rectify this using your interested and ignored tags section" CreationDate="2009-10-29T14:05:31.547" UserDisplayName="Sam Cogan" />
  <row Id="338" PostId="255" Score="0" Text="@Sam_Cogan: That's true for regular users, but it has no effect on the new arrival's first impression." CreationDate="2009-11-14T05:29:43.537" UserDisplayName="Dennis Williamson" />
  <row Id="339" PostId="256" Score="0" Text="duplicate - http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/12513/stackoverflow-should-i-answer-my-own-question-or-not" CreationDate="2009-11-04T02:36:36.880" UserDisplayName="warren" />
  <row Id="340" PostId="256" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/17845/stack-overflow-etiquette-for-answering-your-own-question &amp; http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/23712/consistently-answering-your-own-questions &amp; http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19015/answering-your-own-question-immediately-closed" CreationDate="2009-11-04T02:37:53.977" UserDisplayName="warren" />
  <row Id="341" PostId="256" Score="0" Text="in general it is probably OK. And if you're thoughtful enough to ask here first, the odds of that go up exponentially :)" CreationDate="2009-11-04T03:18:17.370" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="342" PostId="259" Score="0" Text="And why does that matter? And why doesn't the error message make that clear? And why did it only affect my attempts to link to serverfault and not meta/superuser? Why did it work from my home PC, then, which certainly has a completely different IP?" CreationDate="2009-11-06T15:17:20.477" UserDisplayName="Brian Schroth" />
  <row Id="343" PostId="260" Score="2" Text="I am colorblind and have thought this for awhile lol" CreationDate="2009-11-10T20:44:05.197" UserDisplayName="MrStatic" />
  <row Id="344" PostId="260" Score="0" Text="I suspected a colorblind person would have trouble, but I didn't know." CreationDate="2009-11-10T20:50:41.770" UserDisplayName="peejaybee" />
  <row Id="345" PostId="260" Score="0" Text="+1 I would totally be in support of this." CreationDate="2009-11-10T21:12:34.570" UserDisplayName="squillman" />
  <row Id="346" PostId="262" Score="3" Text="Dotted underlines of a lighter colour really do look pleasant." CreationDate="2009-11-10T22:46:54.477" UserDisplayName="random" />
  <row Id="347" PostId="262" Score="2" Text="Yeah, agree here as well.  I always bold the links to make them more distinguishable." CreationDate="2009-11-11T00:57:52.290" UserDisplayName="squillman" />
  <row Id="348" PostId="262" Score="0" Text="my preference would be dotted underlines, with full underlines on mouse-hover" CreationDate="2009-11-12T00:38:32.450" UserDisplayName="Jason S" />
  <row Id="2856" PostId="262" Score="0" Text="I was going to ask the same question but decided to search first (glad I did). I see this question was asked back in 2009. Any update on this?" CreationDate="2011-07-12T13:45:18.783" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="349" PostId="263" Score="1" Text="This question would be better suited to Meta" CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:20:25.803" UserDisplayName="Sam Cogan" />
  <row Id="350" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="StackOverflow's meta? Why? I (and probably other admins) don't visit that site much." CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:22:34.833" UserDisplayName="pauska" />
  <row Id="351" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="Oh, I see. I weren't aware that it included meta questions for serverfault. Still, I have a gut feeling that the discussion will drown over there.." CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:24:55.483" UserDisplayName="pauska" />
  <row Id="352" PostId="263" Score="7" Text="Disagree - this *does* belong on meta.  Meta is for discussion *about* the trilogy sites." CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:26:22.877" UserDisplayName="Izzy" />
  <row Id="353" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="Furthermore, this should have been a Community Wiki question" CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:28:28.613" UserDisplayName="Izzy" />
  <row Id="354" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="Yeah, meta is for all 3 sites, its just there are more SO ones there. I agree that it may get drowned out by other questions, primarily because there aren't alot of significant meta users who are primarily SF users, which is really something that needs to change" CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:28:37.660" UserDisplayName="Sam Cogan" />
  <row Id="355" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="Sam: Thank you, exactly my point. Sadly it didn't help, it got moved to meta now. Edited the post to be community wiki." CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:34:25.723" UserDisplayName="pauska" />
  <row Id="356" PostId="263" Score="1" Text="Duplicate: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/26689/how-do-we-grow-the-server-fault-and-super-user-communities/26841#26841" CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:38:19.510" UserDisplayName="squillman" />
  <row Id="357" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="Pauska...I 100% agree with you.  Check out the responses to the question squillman linked to." CreationDate="2009-11-12T18:15:39.660" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="358" PostId="263" Score="1" Text="@Sam_Cogan:  And the fact that it's named Meta Stack Overflow might not make the SF and SU people feel entirely welcome." CreationDate="2009-11-12T19:01:55.653" UserDisplayName="David Thornley" />
  <row Id="359" PostId="263" Score="1" Text="@David Thornley: Well, First came SO, and the underlaying platform is called the Stack Overflow Engine, so it's fitting that its support/meta site is Meta StackOverflow" CreationDate="2009-11-12T22:35:23.883" UserDisplayName="perbert" />
  <row Id="360" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="@Voyager and that's where some of the problems come from. Yes SO came first, but having everything focused on SO can make SF and SU users feel like second class citizens sometimes." CreationDate="2009-11-16T13:17:31.177" UserDisplayName="Sam Cogan" />
  <row Id="361" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="As feared, the discussion drowned. Oh well." CreationDate="2009-11-16T20:22:27.913" UserDisplayName="pauska" />
  <row Id="362" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="It's not a matter of SF-ers feeling like 2nd class, but meta clearly has its own community that's closer to SO, so this just doesn't seem like a good place to discuss SF." CreationDate="2009-11-22T23:02:39.080" UserDisplayName="Ward" />
  <row Id="363" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="&quot;particularly who are interested in **answering** questions, rather than just **answering** questions.&quot; - Did you mean for the second one to be &quot;asking&quot;?" CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:33:55.617" UserDisplayName="Dennis Williamson" />
  <row Id="364" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="Dennis: Taken care of now. :)" CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:37:21.757" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="365" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="Yep, that's what I meant, thanks for reading my mind :)" CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:38:46.700" UserDisplayName="Sam Cogan" />
  <row Id="366" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="You think I like answering home server questions? Thought SU was the dump of SO, not SF..." CreationDate="2009-11-12T20:11:00.477" UserDisplayName="Ivo Flipse" />
  <row Id="367" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="You take time off from answering questions? Zow... I never thought about that...  &gt;smile&lt;" CreationDate="2009-11-13T00:09:10.003" UserDisplayName="Evan Anderson" />
  <row Id="368" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="Ah, so now I see where I'm going wrong :) I'll catch you in no time now Evan :)" CreationDate="2009-11-13T09:44:50.043" UserDisplayName="Sam Cogan" />
  <row Id="369" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="@Ivo: Hah!  I wish.  Plenty of stuff gets dumped into SF from SO that should go straight to SU." CreationDate="2009-11-15T17:21:51.323" UserDisplayName="Unknown Yahoo" />
  <row Id="370" PostId="265" Score="2" Text="I use tags, and it helps me to focus on the subjects I feel interesting, or atleast where I feel I can give a hand. The &quot;problem&quot; is that my tags are similar to this: Vmware, SAN, Exchange (etc). When I joined SF a few months back the frontpage would tag almost half of the post. Nowadays it's more like 3 posts in total." CreationDate="2009-11-12T23:47:42.957" UserDisplayName="pauska" />
  <row Id="371" PostId="266" Score="0" Text="It's a valid point, but I find it hard to believe in the most difficult cases that people bring up (or should bring up, but don't)." CreationDate="2009-11-12T23:46:00.560" UserDisplayName="pauska" />
  <row Id="372" PostId="266" Score="0" Text="Didn't physicists say something like that at the end of the 19th century... &quot;everything there is to know is already known&quot; or some such?" CreationDate="2009-11-15T17:22:47.607" UserDisplayName="Unknown Yahoo" />
  <row Id="373" PostId="266" Score="0" Text="There are still many questions to ask, and that is even if you ignore new software/hardware/business developments. But most of the most common current problems are probably already answered on SF so will be found by a search, which reduces the number of &quot;good&quot; questions being asked to a certain extent." CreationDate="2009-11-18T11:09:01.807" UserDisplayName="David Spillett" />
  <row Id="374" PostId="267" Score="5" Text="It would be nice if the community could agree on where the boundaries *are*..." CreationDate="2009-11-15T14:45:40.463" UserDisplayName="Unknown Yahoo" />
  <row Id="375" PostId="268" Score="2" Text="I don't think you have to figure out what is wrong.  You just have to get lucky and figure out what to do right." CreationDate="2009-11-22T11:12:11.553" UserDisplayName="Zoredache" />
  <row Id="376" PostId="270" Score="5" Text="So Superuser's also Serverfault's garbagebin?" CreationDate="2010-01-06T12:17:35.013" UserDisplayName="Ivo Flipse" />
  <row Id="377" PostId="271" Score="2" Text="what would you point to as correct examples of sites for professional admins? what do they do differently?" CreationDate="2010-01-06T12:36:45.890" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="379" PostId="273" Score="1" Text="We have idols on SO? Looks like I missed something..." CreationDate="2010-01-06T12:49:36.360" UserDisplayName="Ladybug Killer" />
  <row Id="380" PostId="273" Score="0" Text="What else do you call Jon Skeet? But maybe idol is something slightly different in English than I suppose from the use of the word in German [shrug]..." CreationDate="2010-01-06T13:48:10.217" UserDisplayName="Ludwig Weinzierl" />
  <row Id="381" PostId="273" Score="3" Text="Who identifies with TheTXI?" CreationDate="2010-01-06T18:29:21.290" UserDisplayName="mmyers" />
  <row Id="382" PostId="274" Score="0" Text="Most of the people here on meta are from SO, a few from SU, almost none from SF. That's a problem! It doesn't help your community because you're simply marginalized like that." CreationDate="2010-01-06T22:54:50.650" UserDisplayName="alex" />
  <row Id="383" PostId="274" Score="1" Text="Very true. Although at one point I'd say 2 or 3 months ago, just about every high rep user on SF was trying to participate here, but would get their questions very quickly closed as a dupe (while the question may be the same, the answer for sysadmins is very different), voted into oblivion, or simply ignored. That gets frustrating when you are trying to grow a community you support." CreationDate="2010-01-06T23:05:22.963" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="384" PostId="274" Score="0" Text="I totally agree with Zypher's comment. When I first started visiting MSO I felt highly unwelcome. So I went away for a few weeks, came back, and watched other SF'ers go through the same treatment. I just lurked for a few months watching what was going on and reading, without contributing. However, I feel MSO is a lot more 'settled' lately. But perhaps that's been becuase of the Christmas break and a lot of people are on holidays?" CreationDate="2010-01-07T01:30:49.540" UserDisplayName="Farseeker" />
  <row Id="385" PostId="275" Score="7" Text="Almost all the points you are trying to make have already been asked and debated on meta.  I understand you are frustrated, but posting this type of question is not the way to handle it." CreationDate="2009-11-14T02:14:58.937" UserDisplayName="Zoredache" />
  <row Id="386" PostId="275" Score="4" Text="Maybe we get this way because people call us blaming us for problems that we can't do anything with. Customer: why don't I see the dns changes I asked for ... site's not visible ... a day ago. Me (checks and everything looks fine: what ISP? Customer: AOL. ME: AOL implements non standard caching... Customer: Well that's not acceptable it has to be so and so you're supposed to suport... ... Me: I'm sorry you'll have to talk to AOL, we can't force them to conform to standards. Customer: ... ... Me: I'm sorry I have to let you go Ma'am." CreationDate="2009-11-14T02:23:23.933" UserDisplayName="xenoterracide" />
  <row Id="387" PostId="275" Score="0" Text="I agree with you that people should answer the questions asked and not give you a bunch of crap you didn't ask for, or at least give a real answer with the opinion. Trust me Developer's are worse than Admins." CreationDate="2009-11-14T02:25:14.583" UserDisplayName="xenoterracide" />
  <row Id="388" PostId="275" Score="9" Text="Bravo, SpaceManSpiff. I haven't been here long but I've seen plenty of examples of arrogance, condescension, and non-professional behavior. If I'm being perfectly honest, I'm guilty of it as well. I'd like to see more of a community based on the intent and spirit of the questions\answers. We need less snide comments, haphazard and arbitrary downvotes, etc.&#xA;&#xA;As my boss tells me &quot;You have a massive but fragile ego&quot;. I suspect we all do and that might be at the root of the problem here." CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:39:21.760" UserDisplayName="joeqwerty" />
  <row Id="389" PostId="275" Score="0" Text="@Nonapeptide: Once again the voice of reason. Wise beyond your years." CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:59:28.693" UserDisplayName="joeqwerty" />
  <row Id="390" PostId="275" Score="3" Text="I think the *subject* is probably appropriate for further discussion, but the way it was *expressed* is not doing the OP any favours.  It would need some heavy editing before I would vote to reopen.  For what it's worth, when deciding on a close vote I take each question on it's own merits and in context.  If it seems obvious that it's a home user problem from that context then SU is definitely more appropriate." CreationDate="2009-11-14T20:11:31.450" UserDisplayName="mh" />
  <row Id="391" PostId="275" Score="0" Text="I wrote the &quot;You're not eating lunch at your desk&quot; question ... @SpaceManSpiff I feel your pain, I usually give up on serverfault every 2 months. Honestly, about 80% of these questions are boring, and can be found through proper use of google. I would encourage you NOT to go, and start asking questions you want to see: be the change. I care about the craft of my profession, I care about the users I support, and most of all I care about using my work to make me a better person. There are many elements that make a SysAdmin, &amp; most of them aren't technical. I hope you enjoyed your bike ride. :-)" CreationDate="2009-11-15T01:05:29.140" UserDisplayName="Joseph Kern" />
  <row Id="392" PostId="275" Score="1" Text="I don't like loaded question like this one. It contains a questionable presupposition (as in &quot;Have you stopped beating your wife?&quot;). I think meta.stackoverflow.com is a better place for discussions." CreationDate="2009-11-15T16:57:23.650" UserDisplayName="splattne" />
  <row Id="393" PostId="275" Score="0" Text="@splattne: Jeff (I assume) changed the title of the post from what was originally asked on SF, which messes up your comment." CreationDate="2009-11-17T18:07:51.197" UserDisplayName="Ward" />
  <row Id="394" PostId="277" Score="0" Text="It's our nature most of the time, honestly. If you don't fit this mold you tend to have a lot of trouble dealing with the job or you become more of a manager than a person in the trenches, from what I've seen and experienced. Google &quot;the unspoken truth about managing geeks&quot; on the computerworld website." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:19:11.477" UserDisplayName="Bart Silverstrim" />
  <row Id="395" PostId="277" Score="0" Text="We all have Aspergers either because we are genetically disposed to it thanks to our parents or because we were all vaccinated with the MMR vaccine when we were kids.  (There is Autism in my family so I get all the kooky theories as to why ASDs are the way they are.)" CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:37:25.403" UserDisplayName="David Mackintosh" />
  <row Id="396" PostId="277" Score="3" Text="@David:problem is that the vaccination theory is wrong...thimerosal was removed from vaccines back around 2000/2001 and autism rates continue to rise, and more and more studies are being released now that time has passed disputing any link between vaccines and autism." CreationDate="2009-11-14T11:56:29.957" UserDisplayName="Bart Silverstrim" />
  <row Id="397" PostId="278" Score="4" Text="All of your problems are your own problems. This site was created to *help* sysadmins with their problems. Being a jerk about it is kind of against the spirit of the site. And by the way...coming here IS a form of taking care of the problem; he came here asking for advice and experiences of others to find hints on coping and dealing with the issue. That's what the site is for!" CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:21:48.490" UserDisplayName="Bart Silverstrim" />
  <row Id="398" PostId="278" Score="1" Text="And here is me thinking that the site is a Q&amp;A about system administration. Sorry. I didn't realise it was also an agony aunt column." CreationDate="2009-11-16T23:36:13.253" UserDisplayName="John Gardeniers" />
  <row Id="399" PostId="278" Score="1" Text="@John: And here is me thinking the site is a Q&amp;A about system administration issues that is community-driven. Sorry. I didn't realize this was a straightforward meta-Google with a pre-filter for vaguely-defined system administration results." CreationDate="2009-11-17T12:30:34.867" UserDisplayName="Bart Silverstrim" />
  <row Id="400" PostId="279" Score="1" Text="What does it mean for the site to &quot;succeed&quot;? I'd like to see a common frame of reference w/ respect to this &quot;success&quot; that's been mentioned on here and on meta. I, for one, care rather deeply about Server Fault because it's been the source of a lot of fulfillent and enjoyment. I also haven't been particular disappointed by the &quot;tone&quot; of the site. I'd like to see more traffic, but there's rarely a day that goes by that I don't see a question that's engaging and fun to respond to (or, if I'm late to the party, that's fun to read and comment on)." CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:34:22.707" UserDisplayName="Evan Anderson" />
  <row Id="401" PostId="279" Score="2" Text="Evan: The interesting questions come from the people who are deep in the trenches. The few interesting questions get lost in the flood of lame questions. The difficult questions don't necessarily get answered because the deep-in-the-trenches sysadmins have mostly left. The topic of the site is too broad and except for the n00b questions that flood the site, the &quot;interesting&quot; questions are better served by focused communities." CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:37:27.380" UserDisplayName="Karl Katzke" />
  <row Id="402" PostId="279" Score="5" Text="I think Karl hit the nail on the head.  The site is really filled with beginner questions (and answers), and it takes some effort to filter through them.  From time to time that is interesting, but it is certainly rare to see some of the more difficult deployment/config/troubleshooting questions that come up on other sites.  I guess I had high hopes based on the success of Stack Overflow which probably led to my disappointment here." CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:43:41.283" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="403" PostId="279" Score="3" Text="I can only confess that I may have no basis for comparison. I haven't been as taken by any other community IT support-related sites and I've spent no time comparing Server Fault to the &quot;competition&quot;. Perhaps I'm guilty of enjoying answering &quot;beginner&quot; questions a bit too much. I'd be interested to see some references to &quot;deep in the trenches&quot; questions that you find interesting. Personally, I'd much rather have a subjective discussion of management policies than, say, banter about some particular odd behaviour of some IOS version. Vendor tech support is for that, IMO." CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:51:12.330" UserDisplayName="Evan Anderson" />
  <row Id="404" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="Is the site so broken we need to circumvent the question upvoting? ;)" CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:52:35.603" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="405" PostId="279" Score="1" Text="@Karl &amp; @DLux: What you're saying is based on your frame of reference and your experience. If I'm a new sysadmin responsible for one server and 10 workstations and I have a question about setting up a DHCP server, is that question too beginner-ish? Maybe for you, but not for me and isn't that the purpose of this site: to be a tool for sysadmins of all levels who manage systems of all sizes. If we weeded out questions and users based on our own frame of reference and experience then in pretty short order Evan and a few others would be the only ones left who weren't asking beginner-ish questions" CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:55:40.323" UserDisplayName="joeqwerty" />
  <row Id="406" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="@Evan - I would love to see some deep discussion on things like management policies, but how would that work here?  It would end up as a long string of comments just like this question. :)   As for interesting questions, let's look at something like the TCO of running Exchange on premise versus purchasing a hosted solution?  Or maybe a comparison of remote access solutions that look at ease of deployment, cost, end user support, policy control and ability to navigate through firewalls hostile to my remote users." CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:59:47.647" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="407" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="@joeqwerty - Those questions are fine, but not when they are 90% of the content here.  Of course, maybe that is the goal of the site and I should follow SpaceManSpiff out the door...." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:02:34.443" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="408" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="@DLux: One solution might be too implement some type of categorization\forum style (instead of tags) that would allow people to hone in and focus on those categories of system administration that interest them most. Another option would be to pay closer attention to the tags and avoid the questions that you think fall into the areas you find beginner-ish or uninteresting. I tend to look at the title of the question and tags and only click on those I find interesting or think I can contribute to." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:16:24.150" UserDisplayName="joeqwerty" />
  <row Id="409" PostId="279" Score="2" Text="@DLux: So, how would a discussion about the &quot;TCO of running Exchange on premise&quot; work any better? This is a Q&amp;A site, and the engine isn't well suited to discussions. Frankly, I think you want something that this site isn't. Maybe it will &quot;fail&quot; because &quot;serious&quot; sysadmins don't need Q&amp;A. Maybe it will &quot;succeed&quot; with more entry-level and beginning sysadmins because they do want a place to ask (or refer to others having already asked) more &quot;beginning&quot; questions." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:17:07.067" UserDisplayName="Evan Anderson" />
  <row Id="410" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="Good point Evan. So let's go create a SysAdmin roundtable discussion site and call it a day. =)" CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:31:07.210" UserDisplayName="Nonapeptide" />
  <row Id="411" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="&quot;This is a Q&amp;A site&quot; seems to be a common excuse (even From Mr. Atwood).  Maybe you are right and this site isn't what I am looking for; however, I think you will find may people on here that agree with me.  The fact that SF only garners 5% of the traffic compared to SO is telling." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:47:22.277" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="412" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="Yea, closed.  :rolleyes:" CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:55:36.067" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="413" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="I think they play much rougher over at SO than here. I think the difference has as much or more to do with 1) the inherent difference in the industry and 2) the fact that JA and JS have an established programmer following and we don't have an admin figurehead to bring traffic here." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:57:57.827" UserDisplayName="Dennis Williamson" />
  <row Id="414" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="I wish Tom Limoncelli was here." CreationDate="2009-11-14T18:12:14.513" UserDisplayName="Nonapeptide" />
  <row Id="415" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="@DLux: I was calling you out re: the Exchange discussion because of your question &quot;I would love to see some deep discussion ... but how would that work here?&quot; followed by the incongruous statement &quot;...let's look at hte TCO of running Exchange...&quot;. Since you weren't sure how one discussion was going to work, I was confused by how you thought another might. If you want to have those discussions ask a question to get one started! Throw a bounty on it if you want to attract more traffic. I'll pitch in my viewpoint and others will as well. If that's what you want from the site, make it happen." CreationDate="2009-11-15T02:44:45.413" UserDisplayName="Evan Anderson" />
  <row Id="416" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="Exactly! Be the change you want to see. Also, don't give up when it doesn't work out like you want it to on the first, second or fiftieth try. Anything worth pursuing should be worth the repeated efforts (assuming that there's nothing much more fundamentally borked underneath). Let's see if we can get some hardcore community wiki discussions rolling." CreationDate="2009-11-15T18:00:15.687" UserDisplayName="Nonapeptide" />
  <row Id="417" PostId="279" Score="0" Text="...however, the pursuit of that change might expose some heretofore unappreciated borkedness. One problem I see so far that could seriously hamper discussions is the way this site lays out discussions. It's difficult to respond to posts and continue a side discussion with the way comments are layed out. That might imply that indeed this site isn't best suited for &quot;deep dive&quot; discussions. The more I think about it the more it seems like sysadmin-network.com is a good example of how this desire could/should be fulfilled." CreationDate="2009-11-15T18:06:15.610" UserDisplayName="Nonapeptide" />
  <row Id="418" PostId="280" Score="0" Text="Nicely put...(side note...seeing all your activity and contributions on the site, are you an AI? But seriously, nicely worded response, as are most of your responses...)" CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:17:23.633" UserDisplayName="Bart Silverstrim" />
  <row Id="419" PostId="280" Score="0" Text="I have been accused of being an A.I. from time to time, but you'd think differently if you saw how much natural stupidity I exhibit regularly. Thanks for the kind words, though. My ego is a dangerous thing to feed." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:37:02.610" UserDisplayName="Evan Anderson" />
  <row Id="420" PostId="280" Score="2" Text="+1, agree -- nicely put.  Personally, I do appreciate the diversity of perspectives and advice on this site...  I'm happy to see questions from beginners as well as ones about more advanced/specific topics, as long as it relates to admin'ing -- be it at a 25-person company or a 25,000-person one.  If a questions skews more towards programming or end/single user, migrating is good for everyone, and will usually result in better answers for the asker." CreationDate="2009-11-14T05:30:16.153" />
  <row Id="421" PostId="280" Score="0" Text="@Evan: I probably was the once asking. I have no idea how you're able to post so much throughout the day and still get work done (and the posts seem well crafted with CORRECT SPELLING! Wow!) Egos need feeding once in awhile...we're in a meritocracy-based field. If we didn't get our egos stroked once in awhile I think many might quit in frustration and taking so much blame and crap but getting so little in return otherwise (unless you're one of the lucky ones making 6 or near 6 figures...)" CreationDate="2009-11-14T12:00:41.660" UserDisplayName="Bart Silverstrim" />
  <row Id="422" PostId="282" Score="0" Text="that's a definite plusOne there" CreationDate="2009-11-14T11:29:04.243" UserDisplayName="dyasny" />
  <row Id="423" PostId="282" Score="0" Text="Great points! {pad}{pad}" CreationDate="2009-11-14T14:57:31.753" UserDisplayName="Scott Lundberg" />
  <row Id="424" PostId="283" Score="0" Text="I'll toss you a +1, but so far, raising concerns like this through proper channels hasn't resulted in any changes to SF." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:52:31.753" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="425" PostId="283" Score="0" Text="@DLux: Yeah, I understand your concern there, and you're right.  It seems it's a bit of a common theme across the sites at the time.  SF seems to have a VERY low representation over on Meta (at least active representation).  If these concerns are raised more often and actively discussed then I think we'd have a better chance of seeing things change for those who desire it." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:56:46.847" UserDisplayName="squillman" />
  <row Id="426" PostId="283" Score="0" Text="I've tried...it didn't work http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/27454/improving-server-fault-closed" CreationDate="2009-11-14T05:04:20.777" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="427" PostId="283" Score="0" Text="@DLux: I know from some email conversations that I've had that Jeff Atwood is pretty serious about driving more traffic to Server Fault. At this point, I think it's safe to say that Jeff and the team are open to ideas. FWIW, my best efforts to drive traffic and new questions, to date, have been to pass the word around to my friends and collegues. It's *especially* nice when I can find them an answer to a question they've got as a Server Fault link (which is easier than writing an answer for them myself, as a bonus) to introduce them to the site." CreationDate="2009-11-15T02:48:26.717" UserDisplayName="Evan Anderson" />
  <row Id="428" PostId="283" Score="0" Text="@Evan: There's a pretty good chance that if you direct someone to an answer here, you **did** write it yourself.  :)" CreationDate="2009-11-17T00:08:06.503" UserDisplayName="Ward" />
  <row Id="429" PostId="285" Score="0" Text="This sounds like a duplicate of http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/26689/how-do-we-grow-the-server-fault-and-super-user-communities" CreationDate="2009-11-17T18:40:03.150" UserDisplayName="Kyle Cronin" />
  <row Id="430" PostId="285" Score="0" Text="I agree with Kyle. That was my first thought." CreationDate="2009-11-17T18:46:29.067" UserDisplayName="Troggy" />
  <row Id="431" PostId="285" Score="4" Text="This is another example of why discussions should not be marked as duplicate.  Instead of re-approaching the problem, the fresh interest is redirected to a dead question." CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:15:11.493" UserDisplayName="Andomar" />
  <row Id="432" PostId="285" Score="2" Text="@Andomar: I would agree with you in some cases. But in this one, that question is only 2/3 weeks old and was posted by Mr. Jeff Atwood himself." CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:38:22.700" UserDisplayName="Troggy" />
  <row Id="433" PostId="285" Score="1" Text="FWIW, this could easily be four separate questions / suggestions. And not all of them would be duplicates... but combined together under this heading, they kinda have to be." CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:47:00.470" UserDisplayName="Shog9" />
  <row Id="19996" PostId="285" Score="4" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it was written back when it was just StackOverflow/ServerFault/SuperUser and there was no SF-specific meta.  The state of ServerFault has changed substantially sindcethen and most of the issues this question refers to are no longer relevant." CreationDate="2015-11-22T22:13:28.957" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="434" PostId="287" Score="5" Text="Sure you have a better argument than &quot;please stop&quot;" CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:50:46.313" UserDisplayName="Juan Manuel" />
  <row Id="435" PostId="287" Score="3" Text="Obligatory duplicate list: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/28612/1, http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8578/2, arguably http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10841/3 ..." CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:55:47.583" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="436" PostId="287" Score="0" Text="no................" CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:56:20.577" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="437" PostId="287" Score="3" Text="Yes. What's the fundamental difference between this and 28612 or 8578?" CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:58:34.473" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="438" PostId="287" Score="1" Text="Hmmm, you tagged this as a rant.  I have a feeling this will end up like every other question tagged &quot;rant&quot; ... downvoted." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:03:24.560" UserDisplayName="Troggy" />
  <row Id="439" PostId="287" Score="2" Text="You know what DLux?  You're right.  That question shouldn't have been closed as a duplicate.  I'm sorry.  It should have been closed as NOT A REAL QUESTION." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:09:58.807" UserDisplayName="Pollyanna" />
  <row Id="440" PostId="287" Score="0" Text="How about I re-ask it as a **real question** and one that's clearly different from Jeff's: &quot;Why are people leaving ServerFault?&quot;" CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:26:16.950" UserDisplayName="Ward" />
  <row Id="441" PostId="287" Score="0" Text="Aren't the answers going to be essentially the same, though?  It's merely a different form of the same primary issue." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:34:02.100" UserDisplayName="Pollyanna" />
  <row Id="442" PostId="287" Score="0" Text="Possibly/probably, and for now I _have_ just added what I had asked as an answer to Jeff's question.  I still there might be some value in a discussion that is primarily among SF posters to clarify what might be &quot;wrong&quot; with SF that could be improved." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:41:14.723" UserDisplayName="Ward" />
  <row Id="443" PostId="287" Score="3" Text="closed wwwwwwww" CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:55:17.553" UserDisplayName="Weblog" />
  <row Id="444" PostId="287" Score="4" Text="Oh, the irony of this being closed as a duplicate, it maketh me happy." CreationDate="2009-11-17T21:04:55.867" UserDisplayName="Matt Ball" />
  <row Id="11861" PostId="287" Score="1" Text="The strictness here on meta is laughable. This is meta, for goodness sake! I mean, if we can't talk here, where can we?" CreationDate="2013-10-17T00:56:39.657" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="445" PostId="288" Score="3" Text="+1; even on Meta we need to keep our house clean." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:01:24.017" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="446" PostId="288" Score="3" Text="*Especially* on meta; we've got a huge number of dupes rehashing the same issues, that I wish we could just merge into one central uber-question for each topic." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:04:16.850" UserDisplayName="Ether" />
  <row Id="447" PostId="289" Score="0" Text="3 weeks is old.  Add an answer, see if you get any feedback." CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:57:46.613" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="448" PostId="289" Score="3" Text="3 weeks is only old if you're a fly. It's still relevant, and rehashing the same points over and over is ... well ... pointless." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:00:17.043" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="449" PostId="289" Score="4" Text="Your suggestion/feedback would be read directly by one of the core people of the sites. Just because you don't get immeditate feedback doesn't mean your idea is ignored or not considered." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:01:37.777" UserDisplayName="Troggy" />
  <row Id="450" PostId="291" Score="2" Text="I would say &quot;in addition to&quot; instead of &quot;instead of.&quot; They need to be closed as dupes, but additionally the merge should absolutely be done." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:17:31.117" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="451" PostId="291" Score="0" Text="@John/Cigars: yes, that is of course what I meant :) and IMHO not enough deleting of closed questions is done; once a dupe has been folded into the original it should be deleted so it stops turning up in search results and causing further confusion." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:59:03.800" UserDisplayName="Ether" />
  <row Id="452" PostId="291" Score="0" Text="Agreed on all parts with the edit &amp; latest comment, +1. (And I apparently have 5 votes left today ... )" CreationDate="2009-11-17T21:39:24.977" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="453" PostId="292" Score="3" Text="Try starting 20 different &quot;weather&quot; conversations with the same person, when the weather *hasn't changed*. See how that works out..." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:40:17.673" UserDisplayName="Shog9" />
  <row Id="454" PostId="292" Score="1" Text="Meta is the place to talk about StackOverflow." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:47:03.870" UserDisplayName="Troggy" />
  <row Id="455" PostId="292" Score="0" Text="Noise is noise, no matter what site you're on. But yes, Meta is the place to talk about StackOverflow, SuperUser and ServerFault." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:51:09.730" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="456" PostId="292" Score="0" Text="Somehow, &quot;Promises to be a nice weekend&quot; is a more productive opener than &quot;I wanna talk about this bug in your code&quot;" CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:53:06.903" UserDisplayName="Andomar" />
  <row Id="457" PostId="292" Score="1" Text="Ok: Its a bright and sunny day here in the Southern US - oh, and your response is still wrong. Did that really help?" CreationDate="2009-11-17T21:04:44.930" UserDisplayName="AnonJr" />
  <row Id="458" PostId="292" Score="0" Text="It's raining in Chicagoland, but I have to give @AnonJr +1 for that. Sorry @Andomar, I'm still -1 on your answer here. Noise is noise, no matter how it starts. :)" CreationDate="2009-11-17T21:41:05.037" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="459" PostId="293" Score="5" Text="Would those tags be candidates for the planned tag black list? http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19018/implement-a-tag-black-list" CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:45:11.530" UserDisplayName="Troggy" />
  <row Id="460" PostId="293" Score="0" Text="@Troggy - indeed they would." CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:47:31.307" UserDisplayName="ChrisF" />
  <row Id="461" PostId="293" Score="2" Text="Troggy, these tags are the reason why this list was suggested." CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:49:11.150" UserDisplayName="Ladybug Killer" />
  <row Id="462" PostId="293" Score="0" Text="Yes, ignore my question mark. Look, a badger!" CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:50:06.437" UserDisplayName="Troggy" />
  <row Id="463" PostId="293" Score="4" Text="There are no &quot;belongs-on-superuser&quot; questions on stack overflow because everyone on stack overflow appears to punt *anything* that doesn't belong there to serverfault, even if it's obviously a superuser question..." CreationDate="2009-11-19T10:08:31.993" UserDisplayName="Unknown Yahoo" />
  <row Id="464" PostId="293" Score="0" Text="Noooo! http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1765365/format-usb-flash-drive-8gb-to-be-bootable-closed got migrated to SU with the tag intact, so unless a moderator sees and has mercy we're stuck with a permanent belongs-on-superuser question." CreationDate="2009-11-19T22:56:28.567" UserDisplayName="mmyers" />
  <row Id="465" PostId="293" Score="4" Text="Um, I'm completely stunned to learn that belongs-on* is evil. I saw them, and when I got points to retag,  I started to use them, and I've never seen anything to indicate that I was trangressing. More propaganda needed?" CreationDate="2009-11-21T19:03:01.943" UserDisplayName="Rosinante" />
  <row Id="466" PostId="293" Score="0" Text="@bmargulies - it's one of the &quot;unwritten&quot; rules rather than being something in the faq for example. It's come up here on meta quite a few times. The problem is that these tags are just noise especially when they get left on questions that have been migrated." CreationDate="2009-11-21T20:42:49.280" UserDisplayName="ChrisF" />
  <row Id="467" PostId="293" Score="0" Text="@bmargulies: I had the same problem. I've seen this &quot;belongs-to-*&quot; and since I don't regularly reads all meta feature requests/modifications I didn't know it's being &quot;deprecated&quot;. I would like to have an &quot;Advanced FAQ&quot; that can address all these hidden rules of SO. I thought I was just being good for the community and now people say it's evil." CreationDate="2009-12-28T15:30:46.727" UserDisplayName="GmonC" />
  <row Id="468" PostId="293" Score="1" Text="Yesterday and today someone went in and tagged some questions belongs-on-doctype. This tag is even more abominable in my opinion because questions cannot be migrated to doctype, nor is there a clear line between what's acceptable on SO and what belongs on doctype." CreationDate="2010-01-31T03:18:24.557" UserDisplayName="Joel Potter" />
  <row Id="469" PostId="293" Score="0" Text="I got 407 problems, but a tag ain't one." CreationDate="2010-04-07T17:30:14.717" UserDisplayName="Pollyanna" />
  <row Id="470" PostId="293" Score="0" Text="excellent, thanks for cleaning this up!" CreationDate="2010-04-08T03:21:11.970" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="471" PostId="293" Score="0" Text="When a question is moved from stack overflow to server fault, is it normal that the associated answers are marked as deleted?&#xA;Or was that only because (at the time) I had only ever logged in to stack overflow, never to server fault?" CreationDate="2010-06-08T05:25:00.317" UserDisplayName="DouglasDD" />
  <row Id="472" PostId="293" Score="0" Text="It is unfortunate that I cannot do anything to clean up serverfault given that the vast majority of these questions are closed." CreationDate="2010-06-08T06:56:05.273" UserDisplayName="Zoredache" />
  <row Id="473" PostId="293" Score="0" Text="@DouglasDD - yes it's normal that answers are deleted from the original question." CreationDate="2010-06-09T09:57:29.103" UserDisplayName="ChrisF" />
  <row Id="474" PostId="293" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache - When the quick tag editing was introduced you could edit the tags on closed questions, which is how I was able to remove the tags from Stack Overflow. I couldn't do Server Fault as I don't have enough rep. However, that feature was removed so now only very few people can remove those tags now." CreationDate="2010-06-09T09:59:06.663" UserDisplayName="ChrisF" />
  <row Id="475" PostId="294" Score="0" Text="+1 for removing the tag when voting" CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:59:20.880" UserDisplayName="ChrisF" />
  <row Id="476" PostId="294" Score="1" Text="I always remove the tag when someone adds it to a question. Doesn't stop that person from retagging it back. You'd think people would be capable of getting the hint." CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:59:33.627" UserDisplayName="Brandon" />
  <row Id="477" PostId="294" Score="2" Text="@Brandon: That kind of thing makes me wish there were a way, over TCP/IP, to smack 'em with a sock full o' nickels ... (Yes, I'm kidding, but sadly you're right, some people just don't get the hint.)" CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:01:40.457" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="478" PostId="294" Score="1" Text="@Brandon - I've started adding a comment - well two actually. The first to the owner to head on over to the other site and set up an account and the second to tell everyone else not to add the &quot;belongs-on&quot; tag back." CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:02:46.757" UserDisplayName="ChrisF" />
  <row Id="479" PostId="294" Score="1" Text="+1 &quot;... grinds my gears&quot;" CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:05:25.893" UserDisplayName="Troggy" />
  <row Id="480" PostId="294" Score="0" Text="@ChrisF, I've started telling people to stop retagging it, however I don't usually tell the OP to head over to the other site. I use to, but then I began to realize that if it was taking too long to gain 5 votes, the OP would just go ask the question on the other site rather than waiting for it to be migrated." CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:09:48.380" UserDisplayName="Brandon" />
  <row Id="481" PostId="294" Score="2" Text="I usually put an edit reason of &quot;belongs-on-* is not a valid tag&quot;. On the other hand, adding that tag to an old question might be the only way a low-rep user can draw attention to it - except for flagging for moderator attention, of course." CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:47:23.587" UserDisplayName="mmyers" />
  <row Id="482" PostId="294" Score="0" Text="Ah, but flagging for mod attention is the correct way to do that." CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:50:41.053" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="483" PostId="294" Score="0" Text="these tags get automatically removed when migration occurs.. FYI. Anything beginning with &quot;belongs-on-&quot;" CreationDate="2009-11-19T01:18:15.733" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="484" PostId="294" Score="2" Text="@Jeff - but the tag is remaining on old posts which is cluttering up the site." CreationDate="2009-11-19T10:09:55.330" UserDisplayName="ChrisF" />
  <row Id="485" PostId="294" Score="0" Text="@Cigars: I look forward to your RFC proposal for an SfoNoIP protocol." CreationDate="2009-11-19T10:09:55.580" UserDisplayName="Unknown Yahoo" />
  <row Id="486" PostId="294" Score="0" Text="@womble: That **so** makes two of us! I wonder if I can at least send the `printer_on_fire` message remotely. Ahhh, but to dream ..." CreationDate="2009-11-19T14:37:04.720" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="942" PostId="294" Score="0" Text="I'm going to write a language called belongs-on just to make that a valid tag." CreationDate="2010-07-30T17:14:05.180" UserId="247" />
  <row Id="487" PostId="295" Score="2" Text="I really can't tell if you're being facetious or not." CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:58:04.907" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="488" PostId="295" Score="2" Text="Add a comment or if it's really desperate flag the post. I can't speak for anyone else but I can often tell if a question belongs on one of the other sites from it's title." CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:58:49.510" UserDisplayName="ChrisF" />
  <row Id="489" PostId="295" Score="6" Text="Hmm, hiding behind that wiki blanket again are we?" CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:06:47.420" UserDisplayName="Troggy" />
  <row Id="490" PostId="295" Score="1" Text="I think I have an answer on facetiousness ... Well Lance, I'd say we should agree to disagree, but the powers that be have already come down against using `[belongs-on*]`: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4128/so-it-is-written-so-it-shall-be/4211#4211" CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:12:36.693" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="491" PostId="295" Score="2" Text="The other thing you (as a &lt; 3000 rep user) can do is add a comment with a link to the duplicate. This will get picked up and used." CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:32:31.790" UserDisplayName="ChrisF" />
  <row Id="492" PostId="295" Score="0" Text="@ChrisF, I use all the options: migrate, comment and tag." CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:44:25.167" UserDisplayName="Lance Roberts" />
  <row Id="493" PostId="295" Score="3" Text="But tag is not a valid option, according to the site's management. Thus, it should not be done. It creates noise and garbage. The only people who search for those tags are people like me, who occasionally want to go on a cleanup binge, and even I've given up on it because 90% of the questions with the tags are already migrated. Bottom line: **don't do it.** Migrate, comment, and flag if needed, but leave `[belongs-on-*]` out of it." CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:52:28.977" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="494" PostId="295" Score="0" Text="After the question is closed and moved, it no longer belongs on the site at all. It is doomed to oblivion after it falls of the front page, except to mods and pseudo-mods. There is no reason for it to be organized or tagged at all." CreationDate="2009-11-19T04:01:54.580" UserDisplayName="Rex M" />
  <row Id="495" PostId="298" Score="0" Text="But which one is to be left?" CreationDate="2009-11-22T22:37:33.073" UserDisplayName="random" />
  <row Id="496" PostId="298" Score="1" Text="does it matter?  keep singular it has more tags" CreationDate="2009-11-23T04:00:16.937" UserDisplayName="GiH" />
  <row Id="497" PostId="298" Score="0" Text="It does matter and you don't even bother to note the tag counts." CreationDate="2009-11-24T00:33:54.593" UserDisplayName="random" />
  <row Id="3852" PostId="298" Score="0" Text="@JeffAtwood Any chance of making it so Community doesn't bump 2 year old questions tagged [status-*]?" CreationDate="2011-10-24T14:50:49.333" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="498" PostId="300" Score="0" Text="The private beta ended on that date. What about the public beta?" CreationDate="2009-12-01T01:30:51.437" UserDisplayName="Peter Mortensen" />
  <row Id="499" PostId="302" Score="1" Text="This question is basically &quot;Help me do answering and voting, I'm a beginner at Stack Overflow with no idea what to do&quot; :)" CreationDate="2009-12-02T01:43:48.783" UserDisplayName="Kip" />
  <row Id="500" PostId="302" Score="0" Text="this is a dup of any number of questions: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3251 http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/9663 http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/26100 http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/31104 http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1586" CreationDate="2009-12-02T01:52:36.680" UserDisplayName="Kip" />
  <row Id="501" PostId="302" Score="0" Text="More interesting is what to do about the users who persistently ask these type of questions without giving any making use of (or, sometimes, even remembering from one day to the next) the answers." CreationDate="2009-12-02T17:21:14.587" UserDisplayName="dmckee" />
  <row Id="502" PostId="302" Score="0" Text="It's not a dup of **any** of those questions, those are all about &quot;easy&quot; questions, this was about someone who doesn't quite know what he's asking." CreationDate="2009-12-02T22:43:22.867" UserDisplayName="Ward" />
  <row Id="503" PostId="304" Score="0" Text="I went with downvote in this case because it seemed too vague a question.  Maybe there's a language issue, but if someone has no idea what functions a mail server performs, it seems more like &quot;help me&quot; than an actual question.  Next time I'll probably go back to ignore or maybe try &quot;suggest a resource.&quot;" CreationDate="2009-12-01T23:41:22.487" UserDisplayName="Ward" />
  <row Id="504" PostId="305" Score="0" Text="+1, clever, and (IMHO) the right answer." CreationDate="2009-12-01T23:50:41.983" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="505" PostId="305" Score="3" Text="This is just the Biblical Golden Rule ... always a good one." CreationDate="2009-12-02T00:32:03.657" UserDisplayName="pavium" />
  <row Id="506" PostId="306" Score="0" Text="you can flag it offensive, after 6 flags they take a 100 rep penalty.  that's basically a slap in the back of the head. :)" CreationDate="2009-12-02T01:45:21.747" UserDisplayName="Kip" />
  <row Id="507" PostId="306" Score="2" Text="@Kip: not for comments." CreationDate="2009-12-02T01:56:56.313" UserDisplayName="cletus" />
  <row Id="508" PostId="306" Score="0" Text="Not every link to google results is an offense against humanity. Often, if the question is perfectly straightforward, and the relevant answer is an entire tutorial, a good tutorial link is the best answer. I only do this when I know enough about the subject to vet the thing I'm posting the link to." CreationDate="2009-12-02T23:32:41.043" UserDisplayName="Rosinante" />
  <row Id="509" PostId="308" Score="13" Text="Or just implement tag synonyms and make the two mean the same thing." CreationDate="2009-12-02T18:49:56.310" UserDisplayName="Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson" />
  <row Id="510" PostId="308" Score="8" Text="@jjnguy:  Agreed.  Those who like that idea should upvote this: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2779/could-the-tagging-system-be-enhanced-to-support-tag-synonyms" CreationDate="2009-12-02T18:53:28.037" UserDisplayName="ベレアー アダム" />
  <row Id="511" PostId="308" Score="0" Text="It's the request that keeps on requesting." CreationDate="2009-12-07T10:12:11.823" UserDisplayName="random" />
  <row Id="512" PostId="308" Score="1" Text="@jjinguy: I think synonyms are a bad idea, but automatic re-naming at edit/creation time would be better." CreationDate="2009-12-07T17:40:30.000" UserDisplayName="Joel Coehoorn" />
  <row Id="513" PostId="308" Score="0" Text="Could someone please do it on Server Fault too?" CreationDate="2009-12-16T13:14:51.083" UserDisplayName="Jonik" />
  <row Id="514" PostId="308" Score="0" Text="I updated tag counts. Time for new tag merge?" CreationDate="2010-03-23T17:43:03.077" UserDisplayName="Juha Syrjälä" />
  <row Id="515" PostId="308" Score="0" Text="done on SU: 2010-04-02" CreationDate="2010-04-02T07:47:29.523" UserDisplayName="quack quixote" />
  <row Id="516" PostId="308" Score="0" Text="Updated tag counts. Server Fault still has a significant number of svn and subversion tags." CreationDate="2010-04-23T13:20:24.133" UserDisplayName="Juha Syrjälä" />
  <row Id="517" PostId="310" Score="2" Text="6 to 8 weeks..." CreationDate="2009-12-15T19:35:49.540" UserDisplayName="Pollyanna" />
  <row Id="518" PostId="310" Score="0" Text="@Pol, it's interesting that http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2779/could-the-tagging-system-be-enhanced-to-support-tag-synonyms now stands strong at 68 upvotes." CreationDate="2010-03-23T18:21:36.990" UserDisplayName="perbert" />
  <row Id="519" PostId="311" Score="0" Text="Doing that many retags manually is annoying because captcha kicks in all the time." CreationDate="2010-05-02T11:11:49.283" UserDisplayName="Juha Syrjälä" />
  <row Id="520" PostId="311" Score="0" Text="@Juha: After a while, you get used to it. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/captcha" CreationDate="2010-05-02T15:13:34.683" UserDisplayName="Jon Seigel" />
  <row Id="521" PostId="313" Score="0" Text="It did show up correctly here so perhaps it is just serverfault? The post in question can be found here: http://serverfault.com/questions/90676/how-does-ssh-port-forwarding-work-exactly Those with the ability to edit other's posts can roll back the revision on my post to see what I'm talking about" CreationDate="2009-12-03T16:32:18.450" UserDisplayName="TrueDuality" />
  <row Id="522" PostId="313" Score="0" Text="errrr... looks correct to me" CreationDate="2009-12-03T16:32:19.883" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="523" PostId="313" Score="1" Text="You edited your post fast enough that there isn't any revision to look at." CreationDate="2009-12-03T16:33:57.760" UserDisplayName="mmyers" />
  <row Id="524" PostId="313" Score="0" Text="By design - nothing is so important that it should both be bold and italic.  Choose one or the other, but not both.  And please, ***choose wisely!***" CreationDate="2009-12-03T18:07:59.400" UserDisplayName="Pollyanna" />
  <row Id="525" PostId="314" Score="1" Text="In this case, the user wasn't actually after intra-word formatting; he just happened to be formatting words that would normally have been interpreted that way by non-SO Markdown engines." CreationDate="2009-12-03T16:49:00.150" UserDisplayName="Shog9" />
  <row Id="526" PostId="317" Score="0" Text="I _really_ want more than just one upvote for &quot;Do the sysadminly thing...&quot;" CreationDate="2009-12-06T04:56:34.027" UserDisplayName="Ward" />
  <row Id="527" PostId="318" Score="0" Text="Hmm.  That might be a little too much friction, but it would get the point across. ...  And lest I be guilty of what I am carping about, I guess I'll pick *this* as an answer  :-)" CreationDate="2009-12-14T21:46:26.577" UserDisplayName="Roboprog" />
  <row Id="528" PostId="319" Score="0" Text="Upvotes are nice.  But I just thought it odd that &quot;the answer&quot; was seldom selected (on many/most questions, not just the *very* few I happened to toss a few crumbs at)" CreationDate="2009-12-14T21:45:07.390" UserDisplayName="Roboprog" />
  <row Id="529" PostId="322" Score="7" Text="Hover your mouse over the downvote button. Wait till the tooltip pops up. Read it. What do you think now, is the best thing to do?" CreationDate="2010-01-05T18:00:58.653" UserDisplayName="Ladybug Killer" />
  <row Id="530" PostId="322" Score="4" Text="A link to the user would be helpful." CreationDate="2010-01-05T18:02:18.803" UserDisplayName="Diago" />
  <row Id="531" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="I kind of didn't want this to be about this particular user in a way, more about their behaviour but if you want it it's http://serverfault.com/users/23439/toretrygg" CreationDate="2010-01-05T18:40:02.540" UserDisplayName="Chopper3" />
  <row Id="532" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="oh him ... although his questions sound me to me like asking us to do his job in it's entirety. Namely researching a new product.  I don't mind helping, but I don't get paid to do your job." CreationDate="2010-01-05T22:56:38.613" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="533" PostId="322" Score="6" Text="I really like him -- he's helping me get my Electorate badge (by downvoting all his inane and repetitive questions)." CreationDate="2010-01-06T00:50:56.807" UserDisplayName="Unknown Yahoo" />
  <row Id="534" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="hahaha - funniest post of the day :)" CreationDate="2010-01-06T09:44:37.343" UserDisplayName="Chopper3" />
  <row Id="535" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="Well, at least he's accepting answers!" CreationDate="2010-01-29T03:16:45.427" UserDisplayName="Farseeker" />
  <row Id="536" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="@Zypher: sure you are. You're being paid in reputation points." CreationDate="2010-01-30T10:38:36.890" UserDisplayName="Andrew Grimm" />
  <row Id="13695" PostId="322" Score="0" Text="git certainly is miserable and old, but at least very useful." CreationDate="2014-09-09T19:36:31.487" UserId="123098" />
  <row Id="537" PostId="324" Score="0" Text="Why not rather edit the question and add the acknowledgement. It makes it easier then hitting the user for reputation when they are meeting the goal of the SF site?" CreationDate="2010-01-29T05:16:26.483" UserDisplayName="Diago" />
  <row Id="538" PostId="325" Score="1" Text="...And if you follow his website &quot; http://www.networkmonitor.blog.com/ &quot; to his blog, it is an ad. blog, and can you guess what company's products is he advertising? :o)" CreationDate="2010-01-06T08:19:50.533" UserDisplayName="Madi D." />
  <row Id="539" PostId="325" Score="0" Text="For his 12 posts only 1 has a single upvote.  He's not doing a good job, is he?" CreationDate="2010-01-06T08:26:02.173" UserDisplayName="Pavel Shved" />
  <row Id="540" PostId="326" Score="0" Text="And within his blog there are copy-pasted texts from ibm.com and, perhaps, other places.  Just disgusting!" CreationDate="2010-01-06T08:33:06.120" UserDisplayName="Pavel Shved" />
  <row Id="541" PostId="329" Score="0" Text="I see, his account has been removed already." CreationDate="2010-01-06T09:16:30.233" UserDisplayName="Workshop Alex" />
  <row Id="542" PostId="329" Score="0" Text="and the &quot; iron-hand of justice.&quot; strikes again :)" CreationDate="2010-01-06T09:27:38.727" UserDisplayName="Madi D." />
  <row Id="544" PostId="333" Score="2" Text="Seems like a reasonable question to me, so I've +1ed it. You're now up a net of 10 points (since the normal -2 didn't affect you because you only had 1 rep). Exciting times." CreationDate="2010-01-08T08:55:57.773" UserDisplayName="Dominic Rodger" />
  <row Id="545" PostId="333" Score="0" Text="Thank you.  I gave you a point too :)" CreationDate="2010-01-29T15:27:19.023" UserDisplayName="User1" />
  <row Id="546" PostId="334" Score="3" Text="Perhaps, when all this was conceived, it was thought that the 2 rep point penalty to the *downvoter* would be a slight disincentive. But as rep scores get higher and higher, it's probably no disincentive at all." CreationDate="2010-01-08T05:12:51.000" UserDisplayName="pavium" />
  <row Id="547" PostId="334" Score="0" Text="+1 I agree. Downvoting a question isn't something that merits reporting, and people don't have to justify their votes either way if they don't want to." CreationDate="2010-01-08T06:31:40.460" UserDisplayName="Pwninstein" />
  <row Id="548" PostId="334" Score="0" Text="@pavium - I think you mean 1 rep point penalty to the downvoter." CreationDate="2010-01-08T08:57:13.153" UserDisplayName="Dominic Rodger" />
  <row Id="549" PostId="334" Score="0" Text="@Dominic, thanks, I was confusing the downvoter and downvoted." CreationDate="2010-01-08T10:02:28.107" UserDisplayName="pavium" />
  <row Id="969" PostId="334" Score="1" Text="The problem with NOT having anonymous voting is that it would result in retaliatory voting patterns, which would make the site completely worthless." CreationDate="2010-08-03T02:56:37.953" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8049" PostId="334" Score="0" Text="Well I believe I am being harassed/stalked...and downvoted. I can think of less pleasant ways of dealing with this ... I am going to give the people who handle posts that are flagged another chance to stop the harassment...." CreationDate="2012-12-26T01:29:05.637" UserId="138577" />
  <row Id="550" PostId="336" Score="0" Text="I had initially suspected the same as your second point, that people should still participate in already answered questions.  But note that on Stack Overflow and Super User the distinction between not answered and answered questions is very much in your face, almost the most noticeable element on the page." CreationDate="2010-01-13T14:40:55.500" UserDisplayName="Peter Eisentraut" />
  <row Id="551" PostId="336" Score="0" Text="No argument there. I think I may have mis-stated -- it was probably less a by-design decision and more a by-designer decision. ;)" CreationDate="2010-01-13T15:25:44.460" UserDisplayName="Jon Seigel" />
  <row Id="11480" PostId="336" Score="0" Text="Why doing differently on other sites sur as SU where accepter answer radically change the aspect (heavy green background on the square with white-ish characters) ? It's much more readable there =(" CreationDate="2013-08-22T13:28:27.287" UserId="182075" />
  <row Id="552" PostId="338" Score="1" Text="I would vote to take [vista] -&gt; [windows-vista], even given the totals." CreationDate="2010-01-12T21:00:38.370" UserDisplayName="squillman" />
  <row Id="1705" PostId="338" Score="0" Text="Please note that making [windows] and [xp] into [windows-xp] would cause a list of items under the [windows] tag to no longer include windows xp" CreationDate="2011-01-03T14:34:53.733" UserId="58001" />
  <row Id="553" PostId="339" Score="0" Text="Sysnonyms are on the plate for the developers.  It is in `status-planned`.  Anyways, I agree here.  +1 for `windows-vista`." CreationDate="2010-01-12T21:09:24.527" UserDisplayName="John Gietzen" />
  <row Id="554" PostId="341" Score="0" Text="A note in your profile (that you write) could not accomplish the same?" CreationDate="2010-03-15T13:43:46.583" UserDisplayName="Tim Post" />
  <row Id="3389" PostId="341" Score="5" Text="You don't need to tell us. The question will do that for you, just as you can tell a novice from an experienced coder by their questions." CreationDate="2011-08-29T00:23:24.090" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="555" PostId="342" Score="0" Text="I suppose so, but my intent was for the checkbox to trigger some kind of visual cue on my question." CreationDate="2010-01-19T11:57:32.753" UserDisplayName="Peter Mounce" />
  <row Id="556" PostId="343" Score="0" Text="It didn't occur to me that there might be a beginner tag.  Thanks, that's much simpler!" CreationDate="2010-01-19T11:58:56.370" UserDisplayName="Peter Mounce" />
  <row Id="557" PostId="343" Score="4" Text="Dominic: Actually they are not fine according to the first sentence of the FAQ: &#xA;&quot;Server Fault is for system administrators and IT professionals, people who manage or maintain computers in a professional capacity. If you are in charge of ...&quot;&#xA;&#xA;However, plenty of developers ask good questions so if the developer has bothered to do some research or has a decent understanding of IT and it is not 'Do my sysadmin work for me' , than it is okay I think." CreationDate="2010-01-28T20:29:23.597" UserDisplayName="Kyle Brandt" />
  <row Id="558" PostId="346" Score="6" Text="No, you actually write code.  We notice when non-programmers post: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1003841/how-do-i-move-the-turtle-in-logo" CreationDate="2010-01-18T15:10:21.417" UserDisplayName="Tom Ritter" />
  <row Id="559" PostId="346" Score="1" Text="+1 This was so worth my last vote of the day" CreationDate="2010-01-18T15:12:32.193" UserDisplayName="Diago" />
  <row Id="560" PostId="349" Score="4" Text="yes, this was shog9's very idea. A good one too! Note that this *only* applies to new-ish users when viewing questions they own. I think the threshold is 200 rep." CreationDate="2010-02-02T17:22:59.600" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="561" PostId="349" Score="0" Text="Now that I know the reason behind this, I have to agree. If I weren't an older user who is easily confused, the comment boxes would have been a nice help." CreationDate="2010-02-02T17:26:21.293" UserDisplayName="Brandon" />
  <row Id="562" PostId="351" Score="2" Text="I was bored ... so i did it" CreationDate="2010-02-09T04:09:41.530" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="563" PostId="353" Score="0" Text="@yan: I put a link to the ServerFault user I think you are. I could be wrong, though, so please let me know if I am and I will gladly remove it. (Or you can by clicking the &quot;edit&quot; link.)" CreationDate="2010-02-12T00:03:51.870" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="564" PostId="353" Score="0" Text="Everyone else: This is @yan's correct (note matching gravatar) SF profile: http://serverfault.com/users/34571/yan-bellavance" CreationDate="2010-02-12T00:05:06.737" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="565" PostId="358" Score="1" Text="I undeleted the question on SO, added a link to your SF question, then closed as NPR to prevent it from getting migrated again.  Sorry I didn't see this sooner." CreationDate="2010-02-27T15:31:00.310" UserDisplayName="Bill the Lizard" />
  <row Id="566" PostId="360" Score="0" Text="1 - The Server Fault question now has active replies, so this is probably no longer suitable for deletion&#xA;&#xA;2 - That is part of the problem - the system does not allow me to view (and hence undelete) it. [Original URL](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2289518/dns-server-ms-returns-nxdomain-original-returns-noerror) &#xA;&#xA;3 - Depends on 2" CreationDate="2010-02-19T12:39:33.570" UserDisplayName="Steven_W" />
  <row Id="567" PostId="360" Score="0" Text="Flag this question here for mod attention, point them to your original question, do steps 2 &amp; 3. Be sure to give the mods the link to your old deleted question. I'd undelete it myself, but I don't have 10K rep and thus can't see it either. :)" CreationDate="2010-02-19T15:16:18.867" UserDisplayName="Dr. Gonzo" />
  <row Id="568" PostId="361" Score="4" Text="this should be tagged sffaq and be a community wiki entry" CreationDate="2009-06-11T13:52:11.843" UserDisplayName="Server Horror" />
  <row Id="569" PostId="361" Score="0" Text="Duplicate - http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/21043/auto-accept-unaccepted-but-correctly-answered-questions-after-some-time" CreationDate="2010-02-19T12:09:31.970" UserDisplayName="ChrisF" />
  <row Id="572" PostId="364" Score="0" Text="True, but the value of a question &amp; answer after a few weeks is more for the community (and Google) than the original poster." CreationDate="2009-06-11T16:17:50.507" UserDisplayName="DLux" />
  <row Id="573" PostId="364" Score="0" Text="@DLux, the value to the community/google is not changed at all by having an answer marked as accepted." CreationDate="2009-06-11T17:59:32.733" UserDisplayName="Zoredache" />
  <row Id="12857" PostId="364" Score="0" Text="I see it from time to time that answers are given as comments to the question, and the OP even &quot;accepts&quot; it by saying &quot;This answered my question, thank you!&quot; as a comment. I think those cases benefit from being able to convert the comment to an answer, and accept it" CreationDate="2014-04-19T08:19:54.827" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="574" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="You mean that they do get *accepted* automatically." CreationDate="2009-06-11T14:39:18.160" UserDisplayName="Graeme Perrow" />
  <row Id="575" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="Ooh, yes.  Thanks for the catch!  Editing to correct that." CreationDate="2009-06-11T15:05:45.800" UserDisplayName="squillman" />
  <row Id="576" PostId="365" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately, it seems that more of those bounty questions are the type that don't have a real &quot;answer&quot; but a &quot;more or less accepted opinion&quot;... but that's a rant for another day." CreationDate="2009-06-11T15:34:08.503" UserDisplayName="AnonJr" />
  <row Id="11187" PostId="366" Score="2" Text="I agree Doug, some way of being able to clean up old/abandoned questions with obvious answers where either a &quot;clean up crew&quot; in the Review area can recommend/vote which answer is &quot;correct&quot; or choose something like ignore or &quot;leave unanswered&quot;." CreationDate="2013-08-07T20:31:35.773" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13896" PostId="366" Score="1" Text="I'd like to understand why so few return to accept." CreationDate="2014-10-17T13:07:47.927" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="579" PostId="367" Score="3" Text="This should be edited as a community wiki" CreationDate="2009-06-07T20:04:16.160" UserDisplayName="Matt Simmons" />
  <row Id="580" PostId="367" Score="0" Text="From the FAQ:  &quot;Please note that Server Fault is not for general computer troubleshooting questions&quot;.  Only your first example is a good fit.  (This may belong on uservoice, let the votes decide)" CreationDate="2009-06-07T21:42:24.463" UserDisplayName="Kara Marfia" />
  <row Id="581" PostId="367" Score="0" Text="community wikified" CreationDate="2009-06-07T22:02:59.650" UserDisplayName="Scott Bilas" />
  <row Id="582" PostId="369" Score="0" Text="&quot;Until *you* ask it!&quot;, &quot;Except for Billy's&quot;, etc. Seriusly, I guess those are questions that should be un superuser." CreationDate="2009-06-07T22:46:14.493" UserDisplayName="perbert" />
  <row Id="583" PostId="369" Score="2" Text="I paid my own money for all my servers, because I'm the business owner. Every rule has its exceptions." CreationDate="2009-06-07T22:53:38.720" UserDisplayName="Tim Long" />
  <row Id="584" PostId="369" Score="0" Text="Yes, there will always be exceptions. Rules are meant to be broken, they should get the general concept across then the community has the tools to manage the response to the breaking of the rule." CreationDate="2009-06-08T05:58:21.460" UserDisplayName="Richard Slater" />
  <row Id="585" PostId="369" Score="0" Text="It sounds like a big difference from StackOverflow is that there I will always post questions first, because I want SO to be the definitive source and not random sites on Google. Here, I think I need to exhaust all search options and tech support first and then ask. Maybe I'll post a question or two and see how people react to them." CreationDate="2009-06-08T13:49:42.673" UserDisplayName="Scott Bilas" />
  <row Id="586" PostId="369" Score="1" Text="Personally I believe ServerFault should be the definitve source, there are far too many sites that come up in google search results with promising results then seemingly hold the answer to ransom." CreationDate="2009-06-08T14:28:08.103" UserDisplayName="Richard Slater" />
  <row Id="587" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="dupe: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/39613/legitimate-ways-for-users-to-protest-irrelevant-sponsorship-of-tags" CreationDate="2010-02-22T19:23:59.277" UserDisplayName="balpha" />
  <row Id="1444" PostId="373" Score="0" Text="I suppose you want to ban all commercials and product placement from TV and pay full price for cable/satellite? Or ban all billboards from road sides? Ban ads from magazines and newspapers too?" CreationDate="2010-10-21T14:44:16.483" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1443" PostId="375" Score="0" Text="Those uses are the mostly likely to be in a position to recommend buying products like the ones advertised." CreationDate="2010-10-21T14:41:41.217" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="588" PostId="377" Score="1" Text="Ah. Yep that's it = )" CreationDate="2010-02-26T15:58:11.303" UserDisplayName="rlb.usa" />
  <row Id="589" PostId="378" Score="1" Text="Wow, more incentive than ever before to get over that 200 mark!" CreationDate="2010-02-27T23:08:05.103" UserDisplayName="jdk" />
  <row Id="590" PostId="380" Score="0" Text="I wonder if anyone has considered emailing/calling Jeff/Joel with some sysadmin related questions." CreationDate="2010-03-06T00:18:00.480" UserDisplayName="Zoredache" />
  <row Id="591" PostId="381" Score="0" Text="Very good point, I'd forgotten all about that one." CreationDate="2010-03-05T13:36:42.597" UserDisplayName="Sam Cogan" />
  <row Id="592" PostId="384" Score="0" Text="I'd go change them, but my SF rep is too low." CreationDate="2010-03-09T18:46:07.550" UserDisplayName="Lance Roberts" />
  <row Id="593" PostId="385" Score="0" Text="That was my feeling." CreationDate="2010-03-09T18:58:28.853" UserDisplayName="einstiien" />
  <row Id="594" PostId="386" Score="0" Text="I do agree but for the time being every one of the registrar tags that exists is regarding a web domain so retagging now would be appropriate. If at a later date the registrar tag is needed for some other purpose it can be recreated." CreationDate="2010-03-10T13:38:58.410" UserDisplayName="einstiien" />
  <row Id="595" PostId="387" Score="1" Text="possible duplicate of [Allow bounty to be set with reputation from another site?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7193/allow-bounty-to-be-set-with-reputation-from-another-site)" CreationDate="2010-06-15T04:23:22.683" UserDisplayName="waiwai933" />
  <row Id="596" PostId="388" Score="0" Text="@Kop ...there is also the second part of my suggestion. Besides, it is like open source, you can get everything for free, but also some payed support, is it not in spirit?" CreationDate="2010-03-14T19:22:29.183" UserDisplayName="Itay Moav" />
  <row Id="597" PostId="388" Score="0" Text="It's spelled `paid`; and no it's not the same as &quot;open source&quot;. I answered to the second part of your suggestion with &quot;It adds complexity for something that I don't believe is necessary&quot;" CreationDate="2010-03-14T19:45:22.223" UserDisplayName="Kop" />
  <row Id="598" PostId="390" Score="3" Text="I totally disagree with this notion. Bounties can be a great way to gain exposure for a question, and an incentive to take a deeper look into an issue - not primarily for the stupid *points*, but because the asker is ready to *give up something*. I frequently ask bounty questions when a good answer would help me massively in my daily work, or when I want to get as many views and opinions as possible on a question. The fact that they are used by some who are unwilling to accept the reality that their question is not answerable in a way they find satisfying does not devalue bounties as such." CreationDate="2010-03-14T19:49:19.833" UserDisplayName="Pekka" />
  <row Id="599" PostId="390" Score="0" Text="@Pekka obviously, our mileages have varied. The few times I've offered a bounty, nothing happened." CreationDate="2010-03-14T23:54:17.103" UserDisplayName="Rosinante" />
  <row Id="609" PostId="397" Score="0" Text="and yes, this should really be posted as a separate bug... blame laziness on my part.  i'll get 'round tuit later.  :)" CreationDate="2010-03-15T17:14:07.483" UserDisplayName="quack quixote" />
  <row Id="610" PostId="397" Score="0" Text="If the close votes page shows 6 close votes it means that the questions got closed (5 votes), then reopened, and than received one more close vote. The question itself would display just the one close vote it received after being reopened. (All modulo the selected time frame)" CreationDate="2010-03-16T02:09:44.967" UserDisplayName="sth" />
  <row Id="611" PostId="397" Score="0" Text="@sth - yeah, i haven't seen that case yet, but that's what i'd expect.  maybe it makes sense on SO, where a question might be closed &amp; reopened several times.  it just seems weird on SU, where a question might get closed but reopens are almost always a mod's doing.  i don't think many reopened questions on SU collect additional close votes." CreationDate="2010-03-16T02:44:23.717" UserDisplayName="quack quixote" />
  <row Id="612" PostId="399" Score="0" Text="I know the implications of the SOFU license - if they were pointing back here (or even just mentioning the source) I wouldn't even have mentioned it here. The point I'm making is that there is no attribution - they lift the answers verbatim and claim them as their own." CreationDate="2010-03-21T01:02:56.713" UserDisplayName="Helvick" />
  <row Id="613" PostId="399" Score="6" Text="In that case we should be hanging them by the yardarm. Or rather, reprimanded/penalty boxed/banned for breaking the SOFU licence." CreationDate="2010-03-21T01:12:32.420" UserDisplayName="Ether" />
  <row Id="614" PostId="399" Score="1" Text="@Ether: But I would only consider banning from SOFU (which would be justified by license violations) after talking to both them and the VMware moderators.  (Not that I get any say in it.)" CreationDate="2010-03-21T01:26:35.580" UserDisplayName="Gnome" />
  <row Id="615" PostId="399" Score="0" Text="@Helvick I've updated my answer to reflect your comment." CreationDate="2010-03-21T03:06:56.797" UserDisplayName="waiwai933" />
  <row Id="616" PostId="399" Score="0" Text="@waiwai933 - My web-fu is obviously weak today, I couldn't find the Communities terms of service." CreationDate="2010-03-21T23:21:47.527" UserDisplayName="Helvick" />
  <row Id="617" PostId="400" Score="5" Text="It's not me Brad." CreationDate="2010-03-27T21:10:11.340" UserDisplayName="Chopper3" />
  <row Id="618" PostId="401" Score="6" Text="@john: thanks for getting involved." CreationDate="2010-03-30T02:19:48.837" UserDisplayName="John Saunders" />
  <row Id="619" PostId="401" Score="0" Text="I have found at least a dozen other recent instances within the last 2 weeks. All are copies of VMware Communities threads, posted from unregistered SF users with usernames identical to the original questions. No doubt there is some rationalization going on. How would you like to clean up on your side?" CreationDate="2010-03-30T04:19:25.163" />
  <row Id="620" PostId="401" Score="0" Text="@john - if anything has been posted to SF in violation of license, then I would suggest either listing them here, or using the &quot;flag =&gt; requires moderator attention&quot; button on SF, and I suspect it'll get removed. My ♦ doesn't apply on SF, so I can't do it *myself*, but I'm sure someone will be along promptly." CreationDate="2010-03-30T06:49:29.170" UserDisplayName="Marc Gravell" />
  <row Id="621" PostId="401" Score="0" Text="@john: thanks for asking; as @Marc: says, I'm sure someone will get that done if you will post the links; I, personally, have no powers over on SF, so can't help you." CreationDate="2010-03-30T13:39:37.267" UserDisplayName="John Saunders" />
  <row Id="622" PostId="401" Score="0" Text="John, if you comment back with the post numbers I'll have them removed thank you." CreationDate="2010-03-31T20:30:07.730" UserDisplayName="Chopper3" />
  <row Id="624" PostId="403" Score="6" Text="Might these consequences include permanent pink unicorn avatars?" CreationDate="2010-04-02T06:49:42.387" UserDisplayName="Chester" />
  <row Id="625" PostId="403" Score="6" Text="Permanent unicorn avatars? That would just encourage them." CreationDate="2010-04-02T07:34:58.907" UserDisplayName="Donal Fellows" />
  <row Id="626" PostId="404" Score="0" Text="@downvoter, comment please?" CreationDate="2010-04-02T07:01:23.733" UserDisplayName="Earlz" />
  <row Id="627" PostId="406" Score="0" Text="I'll leave the thread, unless anyone else wants to close it, as it's a valid answer, and I don't want to seem vindictive. I'm glad the OP was able to work out how to solve his problem, to me that shows that things work as they should." CreationDate="2010-03-24T22:23:10.750" UserDisplayName="Sam Cogan" />
  <row Id="628" PostId="406" Score="0" Text="Yeah, that guy was an ass. I'm glad he's not at my company." CreationDate="2010-03-24T23:13:42.050" UserDisplayName="Ether" />
  <row Id="629" PostId="408" Score="1" Text="is there any ambiguity in any of the [exchange] tags or are they all about the MS product?  if there's any possible ambiguity i'd go with the more specific [exchange-server] or even [ms-exchange] (this is what SU does with the ambiguous [access], for example)." CreationDate="2010-03-25T11:12:09.597" UserDisplayName="quack quixote" />
  <row Id="630" PostId="408" Score="0" Text="So far they all seem to be about MS Exchange" CreationDate="2010-03-25T11:32:16.590" UserDisplayName="Sam Cogan" />
  <row Id="631" PostId="409" Score="0" Text="Thanks Sam! Sorry, I didn't see this post until now. Feel free to contact me (just flag a question) for other tag-related jobs." CreationDate="2010-03-30T08:14:25.187" UserDisplayName="splattne" />
  <row Id="632" PostId="409" Score="0" Text="@splattne no problem, there weren't many tags so I figured I may as well do it myself" CreationDate="2010-03-30T08:27:53.860" UserDisplayName="Sam Cogan" />
  <row Id="633" PostId="410" Score="4" Text="I think that would save a lot of people a lot of time, if written agreeably." CreationDate="2010-04-05T10:32:57.820" UserDisplayName="Tim Post" />
  <row Id="634" PostId="410" Score="1" Text="See also [Is it poor etiquette to answer your own question?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/17463/is-it-poor-etiquette-to-answer-your-own-question) and [Moving a personal technical blog to stackoverflow / serverfault](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2706/moving-a-personal-technical-blog-to-stackoverflow-serverfault)" CreationDate="2010-04-05T12:19:23.197" UserDisplayName="Arjan" />
  <row Id="635" PostId="410" Score="0" Text="I've definitely done things like this.  It also helps when other people in your company can Google the issue and get a good answer." CreationDate="2010-04-05T12:23:24.217" UserDisplayName="C. Ross" />
  <row Id="636" PostId="410" Score="0" Text="FWIW: I wouldn't make it CW" CreationDate="2010-04-05T20:05:54.180" UserDisplayName="Nathan Koop" />
  <row Id="637" PostId="411" Score="1" Text="Cheers @ivo, done: http://serverfault.com/questions/129351/how-to-dump-multiple-subversion-repositories-at-once-on-various-systems I posted my answer straight away but there may be more elegant solutions, in which case I'll happily delete mine." CreationDate="2010-04-05T10:40:30.637" UserDisplayName="Pekka" />
  <row Id="638" PostId="411" Score="0" Text="+1. I agree. it's in accordance with the &quot;wiki&quot; character of the trilogy." CreationDate="2010-04-05T12:02:32.317" UserDisplayName="splattne" />
  <row Id="639" PostId="411" Score="4" Text="@Pekka don't delete it. Just accept the one that worked better instead and then comment on your own answer that something else worked better because of x, y, and z.  Someone else may one day consider the same technique, in which case the keywords in your post will likely be a better google match, thus making it easier for them to find the better solution." CreationDate="2010-04-05T13:46:46.673" UserDisplayName="Joel Coehoorn" />
  <row Id="640" PostId="411" Score="0" Text="I would say, as long as you indicate that you're providing an answer in accordance with the FAQ, you could go ahead and answer right away.  You do risk people who &quot;don't get it&quot; giving you a downvote, but you're interested in archiving the answer, not getting rep anyway.  Explaining what you are doing might help with the erroneous downvotes though." CreationDate="2010-04-05T14:36:42.913" UserDisplayName="tvanfosson" />
  <row Id="641" PostId="411" Score="0" Text="True, I could have made a difference between answering and accepting your own answer" CreationDate="2010-04-05T15:02:04.473" UserDisplayName="Ivo Flipse" />
  <row Id="642" PostId="413" Score="0" Text="Cheers @squillman. Makes sense." CreationDate="2010-04-07T20:42:04.753" UserDisplayName="Pekka" />
  <row Id="643" PostId="413" Score="0" Text="hooray for linking comments.  thanks @Pekka for bringing it up, and squillman and kara for pointing out the SU dupe." CreationDate="2010-04-07T21:31:09.223" UserDisplayName="quack quixote" />
  <row Id="644" PostId="414" Score="1" Text="See http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2779/could-the-tagging-system-be-enhanced-to-support-tag-synonyms and http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19018/implement-a-tag-black-list" CreationDate="2010-04-10T16:19:33.513" UserDisplayName="Jon Seigel" />
  <row Id="645" PostId="414" Score="0" Text="Yes the tag block list is closest." CreationDate="2010-04-11T04:22:39.990" UserDisplayName="LapTop006" />
  <row Id="5518" PostId="414" Score="0" Text="I think the examples given aren't the best. Tags with versions in them (years here) can be very useful." CreationDate="2012-02-18T00:04:47.917" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="5520" PostId="414" Score="0" Text="@Bart, I believe the tags in question were the ones containing *only* the year, such as `2008`." CreationDate="2012-02-18T11:07:27.730" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5521" PostId="414" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers I see. They need to go :-)" CreationDate="2012-02-18T11:25:12.290" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="646" PostId="421" Score="1" Text="I'm pretty sure you meant to link to http://5z8.info/pornnow_n7h2v_meinkampf.pdf rather than shadyurl..." CreationDate="2010-04-14T03:36:33.470" UserDisplayName="Pollyanna" />
  <row Id="647" PostId="422" Score="0" Text="Somewhat related http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/43828/su-retag-request-wireless-network-wireless-networking .  I thought quack brought up a good point, but he ended up making the change." CreationDate="2010-04-16T17:21:30.090" UserDisplayName="heavyd" />
  <row Id="648" PostId="422" Score="0" Text="Please do another merge, and add a tag synonym for this: `[network]` is already back up to 59 questions." CreationDate="2010-07-16T02:27:32.517" UserDisplayName="Jon Seigel" />
  <row Id="649" PostId="422" Score="0" Text="@Jon Seigel:  This time I got to do it for myself :-)" CreationDate="2010-07-16T18:01:36.217" UserDisplayName="Kyle Brandt" />
  <row Id="650" PostId="422" Score="0" Text="Thanks... but... please add a synonym. Someone has *already* asked a new question with `[network]` on it." CreationDate="2010-07-16T22:20:50.243" UserDisplayName="Jon Seigel" />
  <row Id="651" PostId="422" Score="0" Text="@Jon Seigel: Ah did not know that feature had been added.  I created the requested synonym." CreationDate="2010-07-16T22:51:53.943" UserDisplayName="Kyle Brandt" />
  <row Id="652" PostId="422" Score="0" Text="Excellent. Thanks. FYI: when you add a synonym, currently all questions with the source tag aren't retagged automatically." CreationDate="2010-07-16T23:06:03.157" UserDisplayName="Jon Seigel" />
  <row Id="654" PostId="425" Score="0" Text="I know I have seen better examples of this too.  Stuff that gets moved to serverfault that is about someone trying to set up something in their house." CreationDate="2010-04-30T13:32:14.940" UserDisplayName="Kyle Brandt" />
  <row Id="655" PostId="425" Score="0" Text="@Kyle: I'm changing this to CW, so that you can add other examples that might support this question to it." CreationDate="2010-04-30T13:35:33.663" UserDisplayName="Charles Stewart" />
  <row Id="656" PostId="425" Score="0" Text="Ya, I couldn't think of any though :-) I just know I have seen them." CreationDate="2010-04-30T17:46:29.847" UserDisplayName="Kyle Brandt" />
  <row Id="657" PostId="426" Score="4" Text="Right, but I guess SO folk are going &quot;well, you've got to have root access to worry about filesystem consistency, so we've got a question to do with admin privileges&quot;.  It's not what the IT department means by system administration, but..." CreationDate="2010-04-28T13:06:37.673" UserDisplayName="Charles Stewart" />
  <row Id="658" PostId="428" Score="2" Text="Do you think this might be a legitimate request? The only way I can see to contact you by e-mail is through a link on your website, or by reversing your e-mail hash (which I haven't done, obviously). Meaning, this cannot possibly be *bulk* spam, and therefore isn't a system problem." CreationDate="2010-05-03T17:08:38.810" UserDisplayName="Jon Seigel" />
  <row Id="659" PostId="428" Score="0" Text="The email arrived at my Gmail address (which I don't use for correspondence or list as a typical contact address, although you can find it if you look for it), which increased the &quot;smell&quot; factor of the message for me. I'm also not a huge contributor, which makes it odd that I'd be singled out for contact." CreationDate="2010-05-03T17:12:45.503" UserDisplayName="esm" />
  <row Id="660" PostId="428" Score="0" Text="@esm: Is that GMail address the one you have listed on Server Fault?  I only ask because I notice that it's not the one you have in your contact info here on meta." CreationDate="2010-05-03T17:15:39.343" UserDisplayName="Bill the Lizard" />
  <row Id="661" PostId="428" Score="2" Text="Well, you do have *three* e-mail addresses on your website's contact page, including a Gmail address. Essentially, someone had to look up your e-mail address manually. If anything, that *reduces* the smell factor, IMO. BTW, I have been contacted this way twice, and both times it was legit." CreationDate="2010-05-03T17:18:12.977" UserDisplayName="Jon Seigel" />
  <row Id="662" PostId="428" Score="2" Text="I got one too. My email address is in my profile, though, so there's no mystery where they got it. Strange that my Server Fault profile is interesting, as I only have 550 rep and a handful of questions and answers." CreationDate="2010-05-03T17:36:59.087" UserDisplayName="Kyle Cronin" />
  <row Id="663" PostId="428" Score="0" Text="For the record, I only have one email address listed; the other two are instant messaging usernames, and I'd expect a representative of a technical community (Cydeck) to appreciate the difference. The form-letter nature was off-putting and set off my targeted-spam alarm, but I can accept that I might be in the minority on that opinion.&#xA;&#xA;@Bill, same email address in both places, neither of them gmail (although I use google as an alt. openid provider)." CreationDate="2010-05-03T17:38:32.590" UserDisplayName="esm" />
  <row Id="664" PostId="428" Score="0" Text="I got one with the first two (but not third) occurrence of `Serverfault` replaced by `Stackoverflow`." CreationDate="2010-05-04T22:11:09.187" UserDisplayName="SLaks" />
  <row Id="665" PostId="428" Score="1" Text="I just got on as well for StackOverflow" CreationDate="2010-05-06T15:26:50.477" UserDisplayName="Daniel Schaffer" />
  <row Id="666" PostId="429" Score="0" Text="From the discussion above, it's starting to look like they grabbed an address that looked like an email address from my own website (ie. not from severfault directly, but from a public source). So I suppose the question ought to be: is this tacky? ;)" CreationDate="2010-05-03T17:44:00.157" UserDisplayName="esm" />
  <row Id="667" PostId="429" Score="3" Text="Sure, it might be tacky; but if you don't want people to contact you, don't have your contact information on the internet... Otherwise they'd have to read your mind to determine whether or not you want them to contact you (:-))." CreationDate="2010-05-03T18:12:32.467" UserDisplayName="George Stocker" />
  <row Id="668" PostId="429" Score="0" Text="Is the email address available in the data dump? If so, this provides a very simple mechanism to contact everyone on the site (who lists an address)." CreationDate="2010-05-03T18:27:59.477" UserDisplayName="Ether" />
  <row Id="669" PostId="429" Score="0" Text="@Ether: no, it's not." CreationDate="2010-05-03T18:29:03.793" UserDisplayName="Shog9" />
  <row Id="670" PostId="429" Score="0" Text="@Ether: No, but the MD5 hash of the e-mail address is in the data dump. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/35222/include-email-address-hash-in-the-data-dump-files" CreationDate="2010-05-03T19:14:27.983" UserDisplayName="Jon Seigel" />
  <row Id="671" PostId="430" Score="1" Text="Flag, flag, flag. (I have done so; I can't see edit history on SF.)" CreationDate="2010-05-14T15:52:43.477" UserDisplayName="Jon Seigel" />
  <row Id="672" PostId="430" Score="0" Text="Ya I flagged them.  Wasn't sure if this maybe should go on meta as well though." CreationDate="2010-05-14T15:53:37.490" UserDisplayName="Kyle Brandt" />
  <row Id="673" PostId="430" Score="0" Text="It appears to be isolated to that one question, but it doesn't hurt to post here in case the problem gets worse." CreationDate="2010-05-14T15:58:28.170" UserDisplayName="Jon Seigel" />
  <row Id="674" PostId="431" Score="1" Text="Here is where I wish I had 10K+ rep... then I could see the posts." CreationDate="2010-05-15T03:41:15.597" UserDisplayName="George Edison" />
  <row Id="675" PostId="432" Score="0" Text="The weirdest thing is that serverfault.com &quot;half&quot; knows who I am... see it's using my picture from stackoverflow.com but I haven't logged into serverfault.com yet!" CreationDate="2010-05-22T16:08:43.383" UserDisplayName="Pete Alvin" />
  <row Id="676" PostId="432" Score="2" Text="This question should be on meta - so you've got another site to go to :-)." CreationDate="2010-05-22T17:10:33.053" UserDisplayName="Douglas Leeder" />
  <row Id="677" PostId="432" Score="0" Text="See also [New Automatic Account Association](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/05/new-automatic-account-association/)." CreationDate="2010-05-22T19:14:30.437" UserDisplayName="Arjan" />
  <row Id="678" PostId="434" Score="0" Text="Some examples please? And: upvoting bad posts, or upvoting a lot of good posts?" CreationDate="2010-05-23T14:58:08.383" UserDisplayName="Arjan" />
  <row Id="679" PostId="434" Score="1" Text="(See also [Vote Fraud and You](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2008/12/vote-fraud-and-you/).)" CreationDate="2010-05-23T14:59:54.663" UserDisplayName="Arjan" />
  <row Id="680" PostId="434" Score="1" Text="That's an informative reference Arjan, thanks.  Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to address this current issue.  I've also edited to provide more details." CreationDate="2010-05-23T15:09:51.170" UserDisplayName="Warner" />
  <row Id="681" PostId="434" Score="6" Text="It's widely held to be a symptom of the Electorate badge.  There was a question/topic here about it, but I can't find it.  Some people even admitted that at the end of the day they use up all their leftover votes by opening up and upvoting random questions with +1 or more.  I hate that badge." CreationDate="2010-05-23T15:23:57.070" UserDisplayName="Aarobot" />
  <row Id="682" PostId="434" Score="0" Text="That thought crossed my mind as well.  It sounds like there's no moderator remedy, which is unfortunate.  It's increasing the noise ratio.  Ironically, I'm 52 votes from it but legitimately." CreationDate="2010-05-23T15:27:12.500" UserDisplayName="Warner" />
  <row Id="683" PostId="434" Score="1" Text="@Aarobot, could that be [Is the Electorate Badge Working?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/37203/is-the-electorate-badge-working)? (The [quote](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/37203/is-the-electorate-badge-working/37206#37206) *I now go to Stack Overflow daily and expend my entire vote amount on questions. I don't vote on answers any more.* was not serious, if I understand correctly.)" CreationDate="2010-05-23T16:42:16.627" UserDisplayName="Arjan" />
  <row Id="684" PostId="434" Score="0" Text="@Arjan: That might have been it.  The question itself is about something slightly different but the answers do get into a lot of what I mentioned." CreationDate="2010-05-23T17:26:29.337" UserDisplayName="Aarobot" />
  <row Id="685" PostId="434" Score="4" Text="Keep in mind, you shouldn't be downvoting unless the questions legitimately deserve downvotes. Just because someone upvoted them unreasonably, doesn't mean you should downvote them unreasonably." CreationDate="2010-05-23T17:58:09.507" UserDisplayName="devinb" />
  <row Id="686" PostId="434" Score="1" Text="They don't deserve &gt; 0.  &gt;0 indicates better than the average." CreationDate="2010-05-23T19:42:23.217" UserDisplayName="Warner" />
  <row Id="687" PostId="434" Score="0" Text="@Warner: one of the classic problems with question voting. Is the question before you 'what score does this question deserve?' or 'do I like it enough to add +1?'" CreationDate="2010-05-23T21:46:24.903" UserDisplayName="Rosinante" />
  <row Id="688" PostId="434" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't say this is a &quot;classic problem&quot; as much as it's a flaw that should be addressed.  Thankfully, the person doing it appears to have stopped.  However, earlier today nearly every question was voted at least +1." CreationDate="2010-05-23T22:13:52.583" UserDisplayName="Warner" />
  <row Id="689" PostId="436" Score="1" Text="It's about 300 questions less for SF, that's about 4 days worth of questions.  So the question count I'm seeing when I'm logged out might have been cached from 6 days ago?  That is aggressive." CreationDate="2010-06-07T07:31:32.687" UserDisplayName="Ward" />
  <row Id="691" PostId="439" Score="1" Text="Wasn't the impression that I got." CreationDate="2010-06-17T13:43:03.113" UserDisplayName="squillman" />
  <row Id="692" PostId="439" Score="0" Text="@squillman check out my edit to my answer" CreationDate="2010-06-17T13:43:58.673" UserDisplayName="Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson" />
  <row Id="693" PostId="439" Score="1" Text="Still is reasonable to assume that &quot;a blog specific to Serverfault&quot; will have non-intersecting sets of users." CreationDate="2010-06-17T13:49:55.083" UserDisplayName="squillman" />
  <row Id="754" PostId="440" Score="0" Text="esx != esxi, etc." CreationDate="2010-07-25T19:26:38.363" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="921" PostId="440" Score="0" Text="@John Hence nobody suggested merging the two ;)" CreationDate="2010-07-29T17:50:22.070" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="694" PostId="441" Score="0" Text="Excellent, that makes this a double retag request..." CreationDate="2010-06-22T06:15:59.420" UserDisplayName="Andrew" />
  <row Id="1783" PostId="441" Score="0" Text="I think the correct tag structure should be. vmware-esx[i] &amp; a synonym for esx *and* esxi." CreationDate="2011-01-16T23:39:34.993" UserId="25567" />
  <row Id="695" PostId="442" Score="0" Text="Please consider adding tag synonyms for these. There are already 2 questions with `[esxi]` again." CreationDate="2010-07-16T02:12:05.963" UserDisplayName="Jon Seigel" />
  <row Id="696" PostId="442" Score="0" Text="Okay, done. Thanks for the suggestion." CreationDate="2010-07-17T10:43:11.533" UserDisplayName="splattne" />
  <row Id="697" PostId="445" Score="2" Text="I agree. The separation between the two blogs seems pointless to me" CreationDate="2010-06-22T21:50:33.647" UserDisplayName="Earlz" />
  <row Id="698" PostId="445" Score="1" Text="Unless each site gets one ;-) I'm sure they could find enough users willing to send in some blog posts for each separate site focused on that area. Then the separation does make sense" CreationDate="2010-06-23T06:28:59.667" UserDisplayName="Ivo Flipse" />
  <row Id="699" PostId="448" Score="1" Text="You say there's no confusion with the current tag, which is true - but probably because everyone has gone with the suggested backupexc. I know I've gone to add a backup exec tag before, and just used backupexec because that's what it suggested, even though I disagree. If the system suggested backup-exec, that's what I'd use." CreationDate="2010-06-26T23:01:16.443" UserDisplayName="Ben" />
  <row Id="700" PostId="448" Score="1" Text="I agree with this. The goal of tags is categorization, and if there's no confusion between tags, then we should let it slide until [tag synonyms](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2779/could-the-tagging-system-be-enhanced-to-support-tag-synonyms) are implemented -- at that point, we can display whatever we want, even if the users input the old tag. @Ben" CreationDate="2010-06-27T17:01:37.990" UserDisplayName="Jon Seigel" />
  <row Id="701" PostId="448" Score="0" Text="As @Ben said, we tend to follow rather than create a new tag, but that doesn't mean it is the best way of doing it. If things can be improved, why not do it?" CreationDate="2010-06-28T11:03:05.630" UserDisplayName="Vivi" />
  <row Id="702" PostId="449" Score="22" Text="ServerFault (and the other associated sites) are not discussions boards. So yes, if you want to have true discussions, feel free to take them elsewhere. On the other hand, if you want to ask well-articulated questions, then this is perhaps the best place on the interwebs to do so." CreationDate="2010-06-28T14:34:24.777" UserDisplayName="ErikA" />
  <row Id="703" PostId="449" Score="2" Text="Questions are closed by people who have been using the site long enough to know what types of questions fit well in the intended Q&amp;A format.  Perhaps this is a bit biased, but it is biased towards keeping the site from becoming Yahoo answers." CreationDate="2010-06-28T16:38:11.327" UserDisplayName="Zoredache" />
  <row Id="704" PostId="451" Score="0" Text="That wasn't my question. My question was in regard to mechanical automation, which is a valid question." CreationDate="2010-06-28T14:46:35.767" UserDisplayName="please delete me" />
  <row Id="705" PostId="451" Score="4" Text="Yes, it's most certainly a valid question. As others have mentioned, those type of questions are not what these sites are about." CreationDate="2010-06-28T14:54:20.537" UserDisplayName="ErikA" />
  <row Id="706" PostId="452" Score="0" Text="I don't feel the need to. Perhaps this is not the right forum for thought that involves innovative thought, but is more of a support forum, is that accurate?" CreationDate="2010-06-28T14:48:02.163" UserDisplayName="please delete me" />
  <row Id="707" PostId="452" Score="11" Text="@msacks We're not a forum. We're a question-and-answer site. People ask questions, they get solid answers. These can involve innovative  and well-articulated thoughts, but those thoughts do not require discussion. And judging by what everyone else is saying about your question, it was leaning more towards the open-ended discussion route rather than a question with an answer." CreationDate="2010-06-28T14:50:30.463" UserDisplayName="Grace Note" />
  <row Id="708" PostId="452" Score="1" Text="It's a peer-to-peer Q&amp;A forum. If you spend some time here, you'll certainly see that there is a great deal of innovative thought that goes on. In this case, though, that innovative thought is directed at solving concrete, real-world problems, not so much on theoretical questions." CreationDate="2010-06-28T14:51:47.867" UserDisplayName="ErikA" />
  <row Id="709" PostId="453" Score="4" Text="I'd rather see each site have their own blog..." CreationDate="2010-06-29T11:37:36.727" UserDisplayName="Ivo Flipse" />
  <row Id="710" PostId="454" Score="2" Text="Congratulations on your new position!" CreationDate="2010-06-29T18:15:22.423" UserDisplayName="Grace Note" />
  <row Id="711" PostId="454" Score="3" Text="The ♦ surprised me because I read the SO blog this morning and didn't recall anything about new admins. I see it's been posted since then. Congratulations!" CreationDate="2010-06-29T18:18:12.610" UserDisplayName="mmyers" />
  <row Id="712" PostId="456" Score="0" Text="I was always curious about that. VS2008 UI just wonked out on me on our production server and I thought I'd ask a question, but I imagined that the question would better be asked on Super User (since it seems like a software thing, or summat like that, rather than a code thing)." CreationDate="2010-07-02T17:03:31.803" UserDisplayName="Grace Note" />
  <row Id="713" PostId="456" Score="0" Text="The question was not about &quot;touching php.ini&quot;. It was about setting up the web server so that multiple php.ini servers could be used. Apache is, in this context, a programmer's tool. I concede, however, it's not exactly the same as Visual Studio, as it's used both in development and production (yet I could use Apache with several virtual hosts for development and then have the websites it in production running in IIS with only one php.ini)." CreationDate="2010-07-02T17:13:11.127" UserDisplayName="Artefacto" />
  <row Id="714" PostId="459" Score="3" Text="Also? Woot on our very own meta." CreationDate="2010-07-22T21:49:26.913" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="718" PostId="459" Score="1" Text="My very first question on the original Meta was for this. Nice to see it's finally come to fruition!" CreationDate="2010-07-22T22:38:56.237" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="716" PostId="460" Score="1" Text="I also put a proposal down for a tag synonym [ssi] =&gt; [server-side-includes]" CreationDate="2010-07-22T22:01:52.697" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="717" PostId="460" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the best-practices guide!" CreationDate="2010-07-22T22:22:15.737" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="977" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="Bump, @all, please remember to occasionally check the pending link and vote." CreationDate="2010-08-03T23:41:10.660" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="978" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="@Zore, the problem with voting is that it's too hard to do lots at once :( It would be nice if the up/down votes were on the pending page itself..." CreationDate="2010-08-04T02:02:00.327" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="719" PostId="463" Score="0" Text="There can be only one...  Bah, screw that.  We got our own now!" CreationDate="2010-07-23T01:00:43.533" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="720" PostId="463" Score="1" Text="@squillman ... completely tongue in cheek ... I say we have a party and kill all the ponies and unicorns :)" CreationDate="2010-07-23T01:03:52.013" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="721" PostId="463" Score="0" Text="Hahaha :)  I don't know, Evan hung onto his pony for quite a while after April 1!  Re: tongue in cheek: I was with you.  Was playin' off of Highlander in the comment!" CreationDate="2010-07-23T03:19:15.163" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="722" PostId="464" Score="1" Text="Ack. I can't read it either." CreationDate="2010-07-23T06:20:19.743" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="723" PostId="464" Score="6" Text="+1  Also, I've always had trouble with the color for links on SF.  I almost miss them unless hit with onMouseOver.  Even worse when they're nested inside a &lt;PRE&gt;." CreationDate="2010-07-23T10:41:22.550" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="724" PostId="466" Score="0" Text="I totally agree in regards to relocating the post, which as you can see has 0 votes to relocate.  I did not vote to relocate either.  I am more concerned about the perception in regards to catering to beginners, as that is not something the site is for in my mind.  Referencing the appropriate documentation in part of the answer is something any *professional* should be able to comprehend." CreationDate="2010-07-23T17:25:29.193" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="725" PostId="466" Score="0" Text="@Warner: I think I see what you are talking about now. I edited the top answer to what I think is ideal." CreationDate="2010-07-23T17:37:41.323" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="726" PostId="466" Score="3" Text="@Warner: Despite the *mumblety-something* years I've been doing this, every day I'm a rank beginner at *some new thing*. Otherwise, it's no fun. Regarding documentation: Man pages are like child's-play for me (except for `rsync` ;-) ). For others they are a wall of disorganized gibberish. I find Python documentation to be very well done, but a bit overly formal. Now I'm dabbling a bit in Ruby. Its documentation is organized in an entirely different manner. I'm struggling a bit to find what I'm looking for, but I'm good at parsing docs. Not everyone is." CreationDate="2010-07-23T17:50:58.757" UserId="1293" />
  <row Id="727" PostId="466" Score="1" Text="Perhaps we should have a series of questions regarding comprehending documentation (not &quot;understanding&quot; it, rather &quot;using it comprehensively&quot; if that makes any sense). More generally, regarding the role of SF, I certainly see it as a site for professional problem solving, but I very strongly think that it can serve as a source of education as well." CreationDate="2010-07-23T17:57:04.860" UserId="1293" />
  <row Id="735" PostId="466" Score="0" Text="@Dennis try `man mdadm` some time ;)" CreationDate="2010-07-24T14:11:56.227" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="739" PostId="466" Score="0" Text="@Andrew: It's definitely a thick one, but `rsync` is twice as long and with fewer &quot;signposts&quot;. `man find` is about the same length as `man mdadm`." CreationDate="2010-07-24T17:23:47.120" UserId="1293" />
  <row Id="741" PostId="466" Score="3" Text="Becoming contentious about reference to documentation is alienating the fundamentals of our very profession.  Reading comprehension is absolutely essential to being successful as an IT professional.  With that in mind, I agree with your point, Kyle, as reference to documentation without in answer is in direct conflict of the purpose of the SE platform.  I try to maintain a healthy balance, as I am unwilling to help those who will not help themselves in the process." CreationDate="2010-07-24T17:37:44.163" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="742" PostId="466" Score="1" Text="My point is essentially focused around the perception of the major contributors to SF as well as the specific wording of the FAQ.  As I see it perception, behavior, and policy (the FAQ) do not appear to be well aligned.  This is fundamentally not a beginner site yet we appear to be encouraging beginner behavior." CreationDate="2010-07-24T17:39:11.743" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="792" PostId="466" Score="2" Text="On a releated note, maybe someone should ask a CW question about how man pages work, what the various sections are, how they are organized and so on.  A good question about man pages would be useful to link to." CreationDate="2010-07-26T16:51:09.490" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="828" PostId="466" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache - great idea, and done!  http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged?sort=info&amp;tagnames=man  however, I'm not a very good candidate to actually supply the content...  ;)" CreationDate="2010-07-27T14:43:49.147" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="837" PostId="466" Score="1" Text="I agree with Warner on this one. It seems questions phrased something akin to &quot;spoon feed me on this topic now!&quot; get answers that do just that, step by step direction for people who have no technical skills at all. I think you side-stepped his point when you pulled out the &quot;best possible answer&quot; which is exactly how we should be answering well worded newbie questions." CreationDate="2010-07-27T18:01:19.593" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1027" PostId="466" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache - [CW question about how to grok man pages](http://serverfault.com/questions/169771/how-to-grok-man-pages) - go fill it in." CreationDate="2010-08-12T13:35:12.340" UserId="629" />
  <row Id="8395" PostId="466" Score="0" Text="@KyleBrandt I strongly agree with you 100%, I also believe that the question of Warner, is somewhat valid. But I think a professional in any field need to know to answer questions of any level. if the questions are related to the topic of this network, there not are questions of series A or of series B , but yes! there are bad answers." CreationDate="2013-01-19T10:14:36.630" UserId="142914" />
  <row Id="737" PostId="470" Score="1" Text="I also think although the question is basic sometimes it is also *fundamental*.  Re-articulating something fundamental in a deep way (going into it implications) can result in better answers than maybe the first google hits already out there. It also can help the person who answers the question to always review and revisit the fundamentals." CreationDate="2010-07-24T14:19:31.810" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="746" PostId="470" Score="0" Text="I wholeheartedly agree and often find value with questions relating the fundamentals that a professional or entry level person is otherwise ignorant about. I found the question regarding twisted pairs particularly interesting. My exception comes with the use of beginner, which I find in conflict with the concept of a professional. Certainly experts and professionals can have less knowledge in a subject matter outside of their professional focus. I maintain that beginner questions have little value for Server Fault, as they easily fall under the Superuser umbrella. Again, I cite the FAQ." CreationDate="2010-07-24T17:48:58.713" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="747" PostId="470" Score="0" Text="One of the defining differences I find between an entry level IT person and someone who is seeking for information in the wrong place is the language.  Is what they're doing within the scope of what we do?  Helpdesk != SF.  Fixing Outlook without it being related to Exchange's operation is simply unrelated, IMO." CreationDate="2010-07-24T17:50:26.013" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="770" PostId="470" Score="0" Text="I have two problems with the [beginner] tag. First, it adds no meaning to the question - there is no standard definition of what makes something a beginner question (although some are obvious). Second, how do you define other levels of difficulty (there's more than just beginner and non-beginner) and where do you draw the lines?" CreationDate="2010-07-26T01:55:23.803" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="804" PostId="470" Score="2" Text="I disagree that beginner and professional are mutually exclusive.  I've met extremely professional beginners and outrageously unprofessional IT veterans.  The motivated and curious beginner gets a lot of respect from me - as do the people who take the time to mentor them." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:09:32.217" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="780" PostId="471" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the link, but this still doesn't really explain WHY rep offered as bounty is immediately lost." CreationDate="2010-07-26T04:22:06.817" UserId="14033" />
  <row Id="802" PostId="471" Score="0" Text="@michael, because you're spending it on a service. If you hire someone to give you advice, you have to pay them, even if you don't like the advice. Except in this case, the bounty system holds it the cost in escrow, and you don't have to pay anyone if you don't want, but you still have to pay the money into the escrow account. Otherwise, I would set a 500-rep bounty on all my questions, get heaps of well thought out answers by users hoping to get paid, then take my bounty back and leave them in the cold. You can still do that, but at least you don't get your money back. (Money being rep, btw)" CreationDate="2010-07-26T20:41:32.253" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="731" PostId="473" Score="0" Text="Regarding the 80 vs 8080 question ... what editing the question to be something like &quot;What are the common use cases of using port 8080 instead of 80?&quot;.  I have been thinking the editing of bad questions to something better that would still likely have the answer the person wants might vastly help this problem. What you all think of trying this out for a while? (those of us with enough rep and patience/time :-) )" CreationDate="2010-07-24T13:14:10.360" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="733" PostId="473" Score="0" Text="&quot;There's a whole Internet full of more appropriate sites.&quot; - like the Wikipedia reference desk! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk" CreationDate="2010-07-24T14:05:00.503" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="743" PostId="473" Score="1" Text="While I disagree with your trigger finger on the down-votes, I often agree with your behavior on SF.  =)  I agree with everything you say here.  The weekend is especially bad as well as outside of business hours, where these batches of questions seem to come in mass.  If we do not keep the moderation to point, I seriously believe that the noise will outweigh the signal more quickly on this site than others.  The perceptions of end-users and even developers regarding IT professionals are not well aligned with what we do, which is exampled well in migrations and postings." CreationDate="2010-07-24T17:43:18.273" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="750" PostId="473" Score="0" Text="@Kyle, your idea has merit, in the case of the 80/8080 question, of the several possible interpretations of the question I don't know which one the OP might have been intending, so an edit might not have the results you are looking for.&#xA;&#xA;@Warner, I tend to be harsh on poor questions even more so than poor answers, as the questions sets the framework. I believe that a downvote should be given as readily as an upvote if it is deserved. That's my view and I'm not asking anyone else to agree with it. On the plus side, I don't think I've ever used more than 5 or 6 votes in total on a single day." CreationDate="2010-07-25T18:37:24.660" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="796" PostId="473" Score="2" Text="@kyle I'm leery of rewriting questions markedly away from the original intent of the asker. Copy-editing? I do that all the time. I just have a hard time using my awesome editorial powers to redo someone's question. But you're right, some questions would be made less wince-worthy by some judicious editing for concept." CreationDate="2010-07-26T17:57:14.527" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="799" PostId="473" Score="0" Text="I've also been reluctant to drastically edit questions, but it might be worth a try to see how much time it takes and if they get answers. OTOH, I'm not sure exactly how to make this a reasonable question: http://serverfault.com/questions/164199/question-related-to-classful-ip-addressing" CreationDate="2010-07-26T19:07:51.027" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="805" PostId="473" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138: Yes I think maybe we can ask ourselves: &quot;Can this be salvaged?&quot;.  I think the one Ward just linked to is &quot;No, not in my mind&quot;.  I understand you don't want to destroy the intent of a question which was what I used to be thinking.  But now I think &quot;If the question is mostly junk and is going to get closed anyways, what is the harm?&quot;.  The person can always edit it back if they feel it has lost the intent.  They might even just edit it back partly and in the end we get good questions people want to answer.. I am going to start a new &quot;thread&quot; on this I think." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:09:39.627" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="732" PostId="474" Score="0" Text="@Ward: See my comment above regarding the first question you posted... An edit of the question might have improved it a lot..." CreationDate="2010-07-24T13:16:08.747" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="734" PostId="474" Score="0" Text="There's a few of those sort of questions going around at the moment. Is &quot;have you tried reading a book on &lt;topic&gt;&quot; an acceptable answer for some of the &quot;basic&quot; stuff?" CreationDate="2010-07-24T14:06:29.860" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="736" PostId="474" Score="0" Text="@Andrew: I don't think it really is an acceptable answer -- it feels like RTF(antastic)M to me.  I however do think answering their question followed by a specific book recommendation or recommendations is. Struggling to articulate what makes those two approaches so fundamentally different at this moment ... but does that make sense?" CreationDate="2010-07-24T14:15:53.613" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="738" PostId="474" Score="0" Text="@Kyle I think so - as John Gardeniers said http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/465/perception-of-purpose/473#473, &quot;where it is clear that the poster is NOT an IT professional&quot; gives a perception of &quot;person was too lazy to use a search engine and wants to be spoon fed&quot;. (Still can't get markup to work in comments.) Ok, so difference between &quot;read a book&quot; and &quot;here's the answer, btw. good books are XYZ&quot; is that you'll give the second in answer to a question &quot;I've been trying to work out X&quot;, the first in answer to &quot;what is an X and how does it work&quot;." CreationDate="2010-07-24T14:44:01.220" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="744" PostId="474" Score="0" Text="Maybe you just like networking, Ward.  =)" CreationDate="2010-07-24T17:47:43.210" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="751" PostId="474" Score="1" Text="@Ward, network certainly is an appropriate subject for SF. The IT professionals for who Server Fault exists would not ask a question such as the one you linked to because it is required knowledge for any of us working in any part of the industry. Little Freddy wanting to network his Xbox and his sister's Mac is not the same thing as a professional trying to work out some tricky VLAN configuration, yet both are networking questions. One is SF material, one is not." CreationDate="2010-07-25T18:53:08.000" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="730" PostId="475" Score="0" Text="Are you referring to http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7931?" CreationDate="2010-07-24T09:53:31.800" UserId="5144" />
  <row Id="7571" PostId="475" Score="2" Text="[It only took us about 2 years (and 3 drafts) to get around to this](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2945/faq-rewrite-round-3)" CreationDate="2012-11-13T18:11:02.207" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7587" PostId="475" Score="0" Text="Which is why we don't appreciate those who tell us that it should be revised, especially those with enough rep that they should have participated in the process." CreationDate="2012-11-14T05:49:06.343" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="785" PostId="477" Score="3" Text="Maybe rep stuff isn't SF-specific, but one thing we're clearly going to need in the SF FAQ is a more thorough explanation of what questions are appropriate.  Just as soon as everyone agrees..." CreationDate="2010-07-26T06:27:39.797" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="752" PostId="478" Score="1" Text="Good point. My own voting pattern is affected by not necessarily being able to recognise a good answer because of my own limited knowledge in a particular part of the field. Bad questions and answers tend to be much easier to spot. My own questions have each received very few answers and votes, even when they've carried bounties, which tells me that at least they are not newbie questions. ;)" CreationDate="2010-07-25T19:00:15.550" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="794" PostId="478" Score="0" Text="I have absolutely zero experience with PHP or supporting PHP applications, which is why I ignore that tag. This means a good chunk of questions are invisible to me. I've also experienced the same, 'specialist answers get 1-2 upvotes, but generalist answers get 10s of them,' phenomena myself. People read the tags they understand. In the public beta phase of SF, it was clear people were reading everything. As traffic increased, people started reading (and upvoting) much lower percentages of posts." CreationDate="2010-07-26T17:40:15.840" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="795" PostId="478" Score="0" Text="I don't ignore anything." CreationDate="2010-07-26T17:45:43.193" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="798" PostId="478" Score="0" Text="Back in Oct/Nov 2009 when there were a few threads about &quot;how to grow, improve SF,&quot; (including yours, when you were DLux) one of the things I commented on was that meta.SO didn't work as a place for SFers to discuss meta since it was dominated by SOers.  Maybe now that meta.SF exists, it will be possible for SF to define itself in a way that isn't dominated by programmers." CreationDate="2010-07-26T19:02:44.270" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="753" PostId="479" Score="1" Text="I'd be happy just to get an email when a new answer is posted. At this stage I get one once a week - sometimes - even when I've ticked the box." CreationDate="2010-07-25T19:15:43.350" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="10944" PostId="480" Score="1" Text="#Jeff could you elaborate a bit? The problem is we can't spend all day on SF. It would be nice to get notifications when there's activity on your questions?" CreationDate="2013-07-19T09:39:22.397" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="748" PostId="481" Score="0" Text="@jscott - are you fishing for the Editor badge by any chance :P" CreationDate="2010-07-25T17:50:35.847" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="749" PostId="481" Score="0" Text="Well that *also*, of course. I couldn't find anything on the right side of the user profile page with a parent link. It's a really slow Sunday here." CreationDate="2010-07-25T18:35:09.690" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="768" PostId="482" Score="0" Text="I don't like the concept of a beginner tag. Like you said, I could have 10 years of administrating Linux systems and then move to a Windows system. Also, &quot;beginner&quot; isn't a well-defined word (where do you draw the line between beginner, intermediate, and advanced?). It also has no semantic meaning - it doesn't doesn't describe the content of the question at all." CreationDate="2010-07-26T01:35:01.650" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="1026" PostId="482" Score="0" Text="@Thomas: maybe we could have a series of &quot;basic-xyz&quot; tags then. `[basic-windows-server] [basic-lamp] ...` Then you could ignore basic-lamp, or even basic-* But that is getting a bit harder to decide the appropriate tags." CreationDate="2010-08-12T13:15:47.830" UserId="629" />
  <row Id="767" PostId="483" Score="2" Text="And by system administrator, I do hope you mean people who perform system administration tasks outside of work. I'm not trained or educated as a system administrator, but I run my own development servers and network for personal development and I feel I should be able to leverage and learn from this community of people. I'll never be any more than an novice or an intermediate in this field, but that doesn't mean I can't ask good questions and learn from people who are advanced or experts." CreationDate="2010-07-26T01:32:19.177" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="782" PostId="483" Score="1" Text="Running MySQL on a Windows 7 workstation is not a system administration task, Thomas." CreationDate="2010-07-26T04:37:14.403" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="788" PostId="483" Score="1" Text="@Thomas - Server Fault is for &quot;people who **manage or maintain** computers in a *professional* capacity&quot; (my italics). If you have a question about administering your home system it should go on Server Fault. There shouldn't be anything stopping you posting answers here, but questions should be from people doing systems administration as their **job**." CreationDate="2010-07-26T13:53:11.480" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="790" PostId="483" Score="1" Text="Of course by &quot;Server Fault&quot; - I meant &quot;Super User&quot;. Too many web sites beginning with &quot;S&quot;." CreationDate="2010-07-26T14:15:36.653" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="803" PostId="483" Score="0" Text="e.g. Questions about networking have and will be migrated to SF from SU *regardless of whether it's personal or business hardware*.  If the poster can't determine where that line is, it's ok - that's why they implemented cross-site migration in the first place." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:02:07.087" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="841" PostId="483" Score="0" Text="@Thomas, the trick to making a site like SF useful to people in your situation is to phrase questions in a manner that doesn't expose the fact that you're not a professional admin. Word the question to at least imply it's about your business network and people will answer and treat it accordingly. Make it obvious that it's a home network and you can expect to to get migrated." CreationDate="2010-07-28T01:13:15.143" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="856" PostId="484" Score="0" Text="I think it's a different case when you clearly take credit for the executable file. It's when you're generically linking to what appears to be a 3rd party site that the problem is introduced." CreationDate="2010-07-28T13:00:59.697" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="865" PostId="484" Score="0" Text="@Chris, that makes sense." CreationDate="2010-07-28T21:22:07.993" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="755" PostId="486" Score="0" Text="That makes no sense to me. It doesn't matter where you deploy a MySQL server - it's still a server. I'm running a professional grade OS (Windows 7 Professional x64), a commercial-grade server software installation (MySQL Server), in a professional environment (my development machine as opposed to my gaming machine). To me, those are the three characteristics that you need for a question to be appropriate for Server Fault." CreationDate="2010-07-25T21:40:13.007" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="756" PostId="486" Score="2" Text="@Thomas it's not so much 'professional grade OS' as either an actual server OS (on server hardware IMHO) or a desktop OS on **many** machines. What you are actually talking about in that question is installing a piece of software onto a single machine. Also in the linked FAQ right at the beginning &quot;If you are in charge of Servers,Networks, or many desktop PCs&quot;. None of that applies to this question. Like I said it is a borderline question because you happen to be installing a service that is generally run on servers." CreationDate="2010-07-25T21:48:29.993" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="757" PostId="486" Score="1" Text="Well, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to get any answers on Super User, which is the biggest problem. What it all comes down to is &quot;where are the people who know the answer&quot;. The people who frequent Super User aren't the kind of people who are running MySQL Servers on their machines. If I had a question about Word, PowerPoint, or my OS (with the exception of server OSes), Super User would be perfect. But if I get a single answer, I'd be extremely surprised." CreationDate="2010-07-25T22:05:58.017" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="758" PostId="486" Score="1" Text="@Thomas I wouldn't be so sure, there are some really good people on there AND they are probably more likely to have installed mysql on win7 x64." CreationDate="2010-07-25T22:43:20.713" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="759" PostId="486" Score="0" Text="But the thing is, the target audience (and my guess is most users) of SuperUser is the home PC user who spends most of their time using a web browser, a word processor, email client, and a home-friendly OS. There might be a good number of power users and knowledgeable people. On the other hand, the target audience of ServerFault are people who, for a living, install, configure, and maintain servers, including MySQL Servers, including on developer machines such as my own. At work, if I have a problem with MySQL, I turn to the admin, even if it is on my development machine because he knows best." CreationDate="2010-07-25T22:50:46.117" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="772" PostId="486" Score="0" Text="In response to your edits: I have a question about server-class software. The hardware and operating system in my problem do not matter. The problem clearly lies not with the hardware or the OS, but the server software - that software is what crashes. Second, the problem happens when I am in the role of a system administrator, installing my server software. Third, it doesn't matter if I'm installing to 1 computer or 1000 - this is clearly a system administration problem that is preventing me from getting my job as a software engineer done. I'm asking my question from one sysadmin to another." CreationDate="2010-07-26T02:34:15.597" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="776" PostId="486" Score="0" Text="@Thomas, that is the definition of the site as stated in the FAQ. I'm not sure what part of many desktops you are not getting. Even though i can't read @Jeff's mind, you are asking a question that is about one _desktop_ not many, and that is out of scope for serverfault. If i had asked the same question it would have been migrated too, and rightly so." CreationDate="2010-07-26T03:12:08.753" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="778" PostId="486" Score="0" Text="My question has been edited to address every point made in the FAQ that defines the topicality of ServerFault. My question is clearly on topic." CreationDate="2010-07-26T03:25:40.617" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="781" PostId="486" Score="0" Text="Thomas: I run MySQL on *Linux servers* professionally, not developer's *Windows workstations*.  You're not entitled to *support* just because you think it's in scope.  You can manipulate semantics all you like but it will not change anything." CreationDate="2010-07-26T04:24:16.537" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="786" PostId="486" Score="0" Text="Well, that's your particular job. I know of system admins whose job includes the maintaining (or assisting with the maintenance) of development environments, including local development environments on developer machines. Just because you don't professionally do something doesn't mean that other people don't." CreationDate="2010-07-26T10:37:22.130" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="787" PostId="486" Score="1" Text="The development environment runs on the same platform that production runs on.  I'm confident that any reasonable IT shop does not run MySQL on Windows 7 workstations in production." CreationDate="2010-07-26T13:18:52.250" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="801" PostId="486" Score="0" Text="You'd be surprised. I've seen places that used three-tier servers (dev, test, production). Test and production were identical linux boxes. Dev was a laptop running Linux. And everyone developed locally on their Windows machines before pushing to dev." CreationDate="2010-07-26T19:51:18.787" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="829" PostId="486" Score="0" Text="If this was purely about audience then your question would be more appropriate on stackoverflow.  Where you would likely find lots of people running mysql on dev boxes." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:07:02.607" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="831" PostId="486" Score="0" Text="Also you try to make the point that the OS doesn't matter at all, but that is almost certainly not true.  It is likely you have some other piece of software on your workstation that is causing problems.  Obviously mysql installs on the majority of computer out in the world or the mysql devs would be fixing the installer and sending out and update.  A database server is frequently box that only a database server and doesn't have any other crud installed to confuse matters." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:09:11.213" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="760" PostId="487" Score="0" Text="There's a difference between &quot;developer support&quot; and &quot;a developer also administrating his/her own system&quot;. At work, I have system administrators to support me. At home, it's just me - I *am* the system administrator and if I have problems, I should be able to turn to other people who act in the system administrator capacity for help, instead of power users." CreationDate="2010-07-25T23:13:21.823" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="761" PostId="487" Score="0" Text="I'm also writing up an &quot;answer&quot; to that link. Thanks for that." CreationDate="2010-07-25T23:21:10.203" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="779" PostId="487" Score="1" Text="There's a difference between setting up MySQL for supporting MythTV and setting up a MySQL Server Instance to support software development projects. Using MySQL to support MythTV is probably not related to professional IT work (unless it's your job to go around and configure MythTV installations). However, configuring an environment to support software development is a professional concern." CreationDate="2010-07-26T03:27:05.643" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="762" PostId="489" Score="4" Text="When you say &quot;There are times when I am at home, working on a project, and have an IT or system administration problem - when such a problem arises, I should be able to turn to the experts in the field, who should be found at Server Fault.&quot; Is really not the point of these sites (not just Server Fault). These sites exist for the experts in the field to support other experts in their respective fields.  Joel is more eloquent than I by far so I recommend his answer regarding a Stack Overflow like site for lawyers: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5533/proposal-for-a-law-se/5546#5546" CreationDate="2010-07-25T23:56:35.600" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="763" PostId="489" Score="1" Text="Also the role of system administrators has been different in my experience than what you suggest. Our job is generally to support the technology infrastructure of the company's mission. Often that does involve supporting the developers but the primary goal is to support the goal of the company." CreationDate="2010-07-25T23:59:58.247" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="764" PostId="489" Score="0" Text="I disagree - I think that a Stack Exchange should be accessible to everyone with an interest in a particular area. Yes, you are going to have those questions that are of the expert level, but you also are going to have novice and intermediate questions. How else do you move up from a novice to an expert unless you can ask those questions? You don't. Joel's posting on that suggestion for lawyers is just wrong - sure, support the experts, but allow for well written, well thought out novice questions." CreationDate="2010-07-26T01:17:56.920" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="765" PostId="489" Score="0" Text="I just want to clarify that more: There are four groups of people that I've seen. The experts - the high-rep, core users (the &quot;Jon Skeet&quot;s of each exchange). The intermediates/advanceds - the middle rep users who make up the bulk of the regular users of an exchange. The novices - people who are in the process of learning the field, who typically answer more questions than provide answers but want to move up. The drive-bys - people who ask a few questions and move on. An Exchange should cater to the novices through experts - allowing people to collaborate regardless of skill level." CreationDate="2010-07-26T01:25:44.543" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="766" PostId="489" Score="0" Text="The way I see it, experts don't *need* the exchange. They already know most of what they need to know. The people who want to learn are the ones who need the exchange - the students, novices, and intermediates who want to become advanced or experts in a given field by interacting with and learning from those who are currently experts." CreationDate="2010-07-26T01:26:48.113" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="769" PostId="489" Score="3" Text="@Thomas Who is going to answer the novice questions if the site does not attract experts?  My concern is that much of the activity on the site is not from professional sysadmins, but more people in your role.  The result is that the activity on more technical/difficult questions is quite low and answers only come from the same dozen or so people." CreationDate="2010-07-26T01:39:06.947" UserId="5391" />
  <row Id="771" PostId="489" Score="0" Text="You need to accept both groups of people. Apparently, more needs to be done to attract the more experienced system administrators (the advanced and expert groups), and that's not my concern - that's the job of the person Jeff and Joel appointed to oversee ServerFault and do what Jeff and Joel managed to do for StackOverflow. My concern is being able to ask my novice and intermediate system administration questions, getting answers, and learning. Right now, that's not happening. If StackOverflow can address everything from the students to the Jon Skeets, ServerFault can, and must, do so as well" CreationDate="2010-07-26T02:03:25.857" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="773" PostId="489" Score="6" Text="@Thomas:&quot;The way I see it, experts don't need the exchange. They already know most of what they need to know&quot; - That is a pretty naive point of view. The more of an expert I become, the more I realize i don't know half of what I thought i knew. Also as I gain responsibilities, or move to new positions, I now need to learn new skills. You are never truly done learning. Now what SF strives to do to differentiate its self from say Yahoo!Answers is to cater to the experts specifically. Not to say we want to shun novices, but create a place where the hard questions can be asked and answered." CreationDate="2010-07-26T02:36:27.103" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="774" PostId="489" Score="0" Text="My phrase &quot;don't need&quot; was a little extreme, yes. But really, the questions and answers should focus on the beginner, notice, intermediate, and advanced realms - the top experts in a given field probably aren't the ones browsing a Stack Exchange (asking questions or giving answers), but instead writing papers and books that the people here will read. You can't cater to the experts (and I mean the true experts - I'm not going to lie, you aren't an expert, at least in the sense that I'm using the word) because they aren't here." CreationDate="2010-07-26T02:48:05.237" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="783" PostId="489" Score="5" Text="You epitomize exactly what would drive me away from SF, Thomas." CreationDate="2010-07-26T04:41:48.890" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="784" PostId="489" Score="3" Text="&quot;...because they aren't here.&quot;  Yes, they are.  Offhand, looking through the first page of users, I've seen answers from at least half of them that are unarguably expert.  Well-written and demonstrating a thorough understanding of the topic.  As I recall, Evan isn't interested in writing books, but if he were he could take some of his answers and make a chapter of a best-seller out of them." CreationDate="2010-07-26T06:20:05.460" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="842" PostId="489" Score="2" Text="@Thomas, on a site intended only for professional programmers, how welcome would a question about writing a &quot;Hello world&quot; program in BASIC be? SF should not be rendered useless by similar level questions in our field. If you have an IT problem at home either ask about it on an APPROPRIATE site or perhaps pay one of us to fix it for you." CreationDate="2010-07-28T01:24:21.140" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="852" PostId="489" Score="0" Text="John, I would welcome such a question because I don't differentiate between someone who is sitting at home doing their own thing and someone working in a corporate environment. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that it is my responsibility to help everyone that I can. My reaching out and helping everyone who needs it, I am helping that one person better understand how to design, build, deploy, and maintain software and therefore making my life easier." CreationDate="2010-07-28T10:24:30.543" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="864" PostId="489" Score="5" Text="Personally, I don't care whether a question is coming from someone &quot;sitting at home&quot; or from &quot;a corporate environment&quot;. I make the call on answering (or voting to migrate) based on whether or not the question and my answer will, later on, be helpful to someone who is a professional sysadmin. If the question is something that likely would occur for someone in a professional capacity (with a basic professional skill-level) I'll happily answer. If the question is so basic as not to occur to someone who is a professional then I'm going to abstain from answering or vote to migrate." CreationDate="2010-07-28T21:03:05.027" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="775" PostId="491" Score="0" Text="And just a random two-cents: When the &quot;third-place&quot; chat goes live, this kind of discussion is much, much easier and I think will redefine most of the stack exchanges out there. Non-real-time communication isn't that great for this kind of dynamic discussion. It's good for letting people get their thoughts in the open, but not good for settling points and reaching agreements." CreationDate="2010-07-26T03:05:49.047" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="777" PostId="491" Score="0" Text="yes i would have preferred to talk it over there, but this is the format we have for now." CreationDate="2010-07-26T03:19:48.303" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="789" PostId="492" Score="0" Text="In regards to 1, assuming the question was articulate, I see no issue with a person who is subject to IT policies asking for clarification from SF.  I have seen those come up a couple times but I forget how they were handled-- I may have answered one myself." CreationDate="2010-07-26T14:12:23.883" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="791" PostId="492" Score="0" Text="In regards to 2, if system administration is their job and the question they have is in scope of system administration, there usually is not much contention." CreationDate="2010-07-26T14:15:59.553" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="826" PostId="495" Score="0" Text="Thanks. This explanation makes a lot of sense. Still a little frustrating, but I get the advertising analogy." CreationDate="2010-07-27T13:45:13.780" UserId="14033" />
  <row Id="800" PostId="497" Score="0" Text="I'm pretty sure that installation is part of configuration. And if my question isn't good enough to provide an answer to, then people should leave comments asking for more information. That's what comments are for (well, one of the things they are for)." CreationDate="2010-07-26T19:49:45.310" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="836" PostId="497" Score="1" Text="@Thomas, software installation on one computer is desktop administration; not system administration. If you were rolling it out to every computer on a network, that would be different. As for question quality: Garbage in = Garbage out. People normally do comment, but we're not getting paid for this." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:25:33.573" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="806" PostId="498" Score="6" Text="I couldn't agree more.  SO could use some of the same medicine." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:14:20.077" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="812" PostId="498" Score="1" Text="That question doesn't remotely belong on SU.  If someone would have taken time to actually understand it and rewrite it a bit, it isn't really that bad of a beginner question." CreationDate="2010-07-26T22:01:51.550" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="815" PostId="498" Score="0" Text="For more examples see. http://serverfault.com/questions/163310/what-is-ip-address-what-is-ip-address-space-what-is-private-ip-address-space and http://serverfault.com/questions/163184/what-is-bandwidth-closed." CreationDate="2010-07-26T23:09:34.780" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="830" PostId="498" Score="3" Text="I think part of it is that it only take 3 people to move it to SU. I for one voted to close (not a real question); but I suspect I was not the only one to do so. I know I've done that on other questions too only to have them end up on SU." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:07:21.700" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="840" PostId="498" Score="1" Text="@Chris, I think you've nailed it right there. It only takes a majority vote to get it migrated. Maybe that should change, or on option should be given to somehow un-vote a move vote." CreationDate="2010-07-27T21:51:33.633" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="846" PostId="498" Score="1" Text="Time to fess up - I believe I was one of those that voted for the SU move. In retrospect, that was an ill-conceived idea. I'll make sure to be more selective in what I send over there in the future." CreationDate="2010-07-28T04:10:13.380" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="847" PostId="498" Score="2" Text="I hate it when a question is moved because the majority of votes were for the move but even those who voted otherwise get listed as being responsible for the move. More than once I've held back from voting because there are already 3 votes to move a question that really should be killed." CreationDate="2010-07-28T05:06:53.407" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="857" PostId="498" Score="0" Text="You know, the reason why we like to move questions from SF to SU is because SU is such a boring place; it's only right to give them some fun." CreationDate="2010-07-28T13:09:39.307" UserId="1605" />
  <row Id="866" PostId="498" Score="1" Text="@Ngu, you're kidding, right?" CreationDate="2010-07-28T21:29:07.123" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="869" PostId="498" Score="0" Text="@Farseeker, no, I'm dead serious :)" CreationDate="2010-07-29T07:06:25.470" UserId="1605" />
  <row Id="924" PostId="498" Score="0" Text="Why on earth was this question cited moved? It could have been closed as vague, edited, or voted down. But who on earth would thing it appropriate for SuperUser.com?" CreationDate="2010-07-29T19:34:20.513" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="807" PostId="499" Score="1" Text="I don't think we're as bad about it but it does happen." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:15:06.380" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="810" PostId="499" Score="1" Text="Agreed, I don't think we're as bad as Stack Overflow, but we're getting there. As we get more and more 10k users the problem will increase though." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:35:12.290" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="811" PostId="499" Score="1" Text="Interestingly... http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4679/serverfault-com-is-not-your-trash-bin" CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:36:31.633" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="834" PostId="499" Score="0" Text="I agree with Warner and Farseeker; we don't dump nearly as badly as SO, but it happens (the above question is an obvious example)." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:16:12.293" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="808" PostId="500" Score="2" Text="The concept of &quot;question-purgatory&quot; is interesting, I like the idea.  However, it could introduce substantially more moderation overhead as well as more cross posting, as users would be come impatient." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:22:22.127" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="814" PostId="500" Score="0" Text="It is my experience in forum-based Q/A environments that a triage forum will be created regardless of what the original architects wanted. The top forum in the list is usually the one that gets it. Here on the trilogy where the other sites are obscured to a fair extent, users may not even realize there is a choice. All in all, I like the idea of an 'incoming queue' for the mods to accept/close questions coming from other trilogy sites." CreationDate="2010-07-26T22:54:09.627" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="835" PostId="500" Score="0" Text="+1, Reject the question move. It's not common, but I've seen things come in (from SO in particular) that should not be on SF. It would be nice if we didn't need 5 votes again to get it to where it belongs." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:18:26.300" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2993" PostId="500" Score="1" Text="Oh ghods yes, please implement &quot;reject moved question&quot;..." CreationDate="2011-07-23T02:54:14.377" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="809" PostId="501" Score="0" Text="This has the potential to artificially inflate someone's reputation when they otherwise do not deserve it.  I have seen this happen once or twice but editing on this scale does not occur frequently." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:28:58.480" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="813" PostId="501" Score="0" Text="@Warner: I agree with Farseeker's #2 on that one, I wouldn't think the inflation will matter to much.  Unless someone just keeps asking crappy questions in which case people will probably get peeved and stop helping them and just downvote anyways..." CreationDate="2010-07-26T22:04:32.780" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="838" PostId="501" Score="1" Text="I think it happens very commonly that the author grossly misunderstand the subject matter. Editing the question so it makes sense removes the original misunderstanding. People answering the question will no longer realize this fact, and the answer may no longer help." CreationDate="2010-07-27T18:05:02.567" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="853" PostId="501" Score="0" Text="Are there any SF-specific editor guides lines besides the [FAQ on MSO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/11474/what-is-the-etiquette-for-modifying-posts)?  N00b 2K'r here. Would like to contribute helpful edits." CreationDate="2010-07-28T10:41:56.097" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="823" PostId="502" Score="2" Text="I couldn't force myself to resist the edit!" CreationDate="2010-07-27T03:13:10.193" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="849" PostId="502" Score="0" Text="just another note on these hit &amp; run buggers.  I reckon if you go to the trouble to edit their question into a reasonable one, you should be able to pick the right answer.  Most open questions are from hit &amp; runs weenies who never bother to pick a right answer." CreationDate="2010-07-28T05:44:35.407" UserId="1715" />
  <row Id="833" PostId="504" Score="0" Text="I believe this question ended up 2-3 or 1-1-3 or something along those lines (possibly 1-1-1-2)." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:13:56.103" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="925" PostId="504" Score="0" Text="Then why did it end up on SuperUser?  Does the last vote rule, or the first vote?" CreationDate="2010-07-29T19:37:26.557" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="929" PostId="504" Score="0" Text="@tomjedrz it's simple majority. so if you have 1-1-1-2 then the two wins or 2-3 three wins" CreationDate="2010-07-29T22:13:23.773" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="874" PostId="505" Score="0" Text="+1 I never vote to move and always vote to close (which brings up another problem).  I hate seeing questions dumped on SF, and I doubt SO/SU want our questions dumped on them.  Personally, I think the question migration feature should be completely removed.  Just close and let the individual reask on the appropriate site." CreationDate="2010-07-29T13:59:26.903" UserId="5391" />
  <row Id="816" PostId="506" Score="1" Text="It's a lot faster to vote-to-move than it is to take the time to fix a post. It's a hard one to incentivise." CreationDate="2010-07-27T00:00:07.157" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="818" PostId="506" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138, updated answer with possible way to discourage excessively migrating questions." CreationDate="2010-07-27T00:49:17.997" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="819" PostId="506" Score="3" Text="The rep-on-destination idea has some real merit to it. It kind of dove-tails nicely into Kara's idea about a purgatory-queue. If you're spiffy enough on both sites, you can vote to move directly. Alternately, having the purgatory-queue visible to 3K+ users should help show the garbage-in/garbage-out principle. May be educational!" CreationDate="2010-07-27T01:01:03.977" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="827" PostId="506" Score="0" Text="That's a great idea.  Downvoting and voting to migrate seem like very similar activities - paying rep for migration votes makes perfect sense to me (especially given the problems it's gotta be causing SU)" CreationDate="2010-07-27T14:30:21.113" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="839" PostId="506" Score="1" Text="I added this rep cost idea as a [feature-request](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/58642/adjust-the-system-to-slightly-discourage-migration-over-other-close-reasons) on MSO." CreationDate="2010-07-27T21:22:55.787" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="923" PostId="506" Score="0" Text="Do the SU folks have the capability to send the inappropriate questions back? If so, could there be some sort of penalty of forced arbitration for questions bouncing around? Or some rep penalty (or privilege suspension) for folks who pass the trash too frequently?" CreationDate="2010-07-29T19:33:01.793" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="817" PostId="508" Score="0" Text="The definition of server that I provided is THE accepted definition in computer science and software engineering and is pretty consistent across three books that I own, so I really can't argue with it. As for your other comments, I really like the differentiation and emphasis on the task at hand - I think you might have hit the nail on the head, but it's just a matter of making sure that if someone has a question, they know what tasks are best addressed by each community and I think that all three FAQs aren't doing so great at getting that point across." CreationDate="2010-07-27T00:44:15.650" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="820" PostId="508" Score="0" Text="I see your edit. And that's the point I'm making. When I see in the StackOverflow and SuperUser FAQs that I can ask about servers here on ServerFault, my mind goes to the definition of server that I use as a software engineer. But as you can tell from my story in my original posting, it doesn't mean the same thing here on ServerFault. The SF FAQ should reflect the working definition of server as it applies to this site and the SO and SU FAQs should reflect the definition chosen by the SF community." CreationDate="2010-07-27T01:04:06.063" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="821" PostId="508" Score="0" Text="I wasn't disagreeing that it is CS definition, I was am trying to say that the definition is pretty far away from how a system administrators would define what they mean in their day-to-day usage of the work 'server'." CreationDate="2010-07-27T01:04:16.733" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="822" PostId="508" Score="0" Text="Yeah. That's why it's real important that the SF FAQ defines &quot;server&quot; as it means to system administrators (to account for people like me who come here from StackOverflow asking about things that us CS/SE people consider to be servers) and then get SO and SU to change their use of &quot;server&quot; in their FAQs so people don't get confused and wander here when they should be someplace else." CreationDate="2010-07-27T01:10:59.060" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="825" PostId="512" Score="1" Text="That's very true. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that Super User is somehow a lesser site. The fact of the matter is though to be able to find a problem on 10,000 different combinations of softwrae, hardware, virii, spyware, etc is probably a far harder challenge than keeping servers online." CreationDate="2010-07-27T04:06:08.770" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="832" PostId="513" Score="0" Text="+1, Also add that some users (like the one mentioned here) ask several tightly related questions; receive an answer where it points them to self-learning (which doesn't answer their homework directly), and keep asking new questions (probably for each section of homework). Since the same 'answer' from the first question applies, maybe it should be closed as a dupe." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:12:06.187" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="850" PostId="514" Score="2" Text="BTW have you seen this question.  It may be a good candidate for a CIDR question. http://serverfault.com/questions/12854/cidr-for-dummies" CreationDate="2010-07-28T06:17:35.387" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="851" PostId="514" Score="0" Text="@Zore, I just saw it then when you bumped it to the top. It's very good - I had never seen it before. It's even got a great title!" CreationDate="2010-07-28T06:25:23.810" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="992" PostId="514" Score="0" Text=".. where is the `&lt;blink&gt;` tags on the new! :-D" CreationDate="2010-08-06T03:07:51.883" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="993" PostId="514" Score="0" Text="@Zyph, that better? ;)" CreationDate="2010-08-06T03:10:06.890" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1005" PostId="514" Score="0" Text="oh that made my day :)" CreationDate="2010-08-06T14:44:13.987" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="843" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="I wasn't feeling bold enough to rewrite the entire structure of the question, so I added it as the first sub-question." CreationDate="2010-07-28T02:01:51.830" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="848" PostId="516" Score="1" Text="The way I see it, Community Wiki does serve a purpose because it allows questions to be asked (and answered) that really have no right or wrong answer and would otherwise be too subjective and possibly be killed off." CreationDate="2010-07-28T05:17:05.887" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="868" PostId="516" Score="0" Text="@John What would you do with [this CW example](http://gist.github.com/497117), edit it or kill it?" CreationDate="2010-07-29T03:07:58.453" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="952" PostId="516" Score="0" Text="as the question isn't on one of this trilogy's sites, I am unfamiliar with the site on which it is asked and I'm unfamiliar with the topic itself it's not an easy one to respond to. However, my first though was that it could well stand being edited into something a lot more meaningful. The wording looks to me to be the result of a language problem more than anything else. In short, killing it would not be my first response." CreationDate="2010-08-02T05:09:37.920" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="970" PostId="516" Score="0" Text="@John that was a hypothetical ServerFault question; [this is what I'd edit the question into](http://gist.github.com/497117). Perhaps a bad example as it's too close to a real question." CreationDate="2010-08-03T05:03:44.780" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="844" PostId="517" Score="0" Text="I'm inclined to agree with you, Evan has done a great job with that wiki and this topic would get lost in there." CreationDate="2010-07-28T03:51:33.173" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="845" PostId="517" Score="0" Text="Oddly enough, this probably would have been a great place to start: http://serverfault.com/questions/164240/why-is-classful-addressing-obsolete-closed  That is, it would have been a great place to start if it was asked more eloquently" CreationDate="2010-07-28T03:56:28.630" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="855" PostId="517" Score="0" Text="I think Zoredache's comment above got it: http://serverfault.com/questions/12854/cidr-for-dummies" CreationDate="2010-07-28T12:33:18.613" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="854" PostId="518" Score="0" Text="You mean the classes are dead, not CIDR (in the IPv4 world). Also, I would expect a CCNA to know a little history of IP; but there's no reason to teach it in college (except maybe a 400 level Computer History class)." CreationDate="2010-07-28T12:31:13.843" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="859" PostId="518" Score="0" Text="@Chris S, fixed.  The problem is that the CCNA book I was reading didn't cover it as if it was history, but instead the standard way things are done." CreationDate="2010-07-28T16:07:22.010" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="998" PostId="518" Score="0" Text="You know, this kind of thing is probably prime material for a Tag-wiki." CreationDate="2010-08-06T04:07:06.220" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="858" PostId="519" Score="0" Text="+1 &quot;Closing a question as duplicate/already-answered/&quot;beginner&quot; and redirecting the the One True Example&quot;" CreationDate="2010-07-28T13:38:24.780" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="860" PostId="522" Score="2" Text="Fantastic to see a first hand account from a SU moderator.  Thanks for contributing." CreationDate="2010-07-28T19:32:55.963" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="871" PostId="522" Score="0" Text="That's great news!  I'll finally clean up some of the pre-SU [belongs-on-superuser] tagged items I've been holding back on, because I felt like you were already getting inundated in migrated questions." CreationDate="2010-07-29T13:16:07.227" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="875" PostId="522" Score="0" Text="@Kara - it's not a matter of being inundated by them, only a question of topic. If you feel it is [on-topic](http://superuser.com/faq), migrate away! And if hesitating, you can always ask a question on [our meta](http://meta.superuser.com/), the way I did here." CreationDate="2010-07-29T14:08:16.353" UserId="10448" />
  <row Id="861" PostId="523" Score="0" Text="*&quot;And I really mean a professional server one, not one which would be used as a home server&quot;*&#xA;&#xA;In school we got Windows Server ISOs from MSDN.  I can assure you that I was running the &quot;professional&quot; server OS on my home machines. :)" CreationDate="2010-07-28T19:34:10.420" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="862" PostId="523" Score="0" Text="@jscott - yes, this I meant with the &quot;a few home servers&quot;. The other sentence was more about Windows Home Server :-]" CreationDate="2010-07-28T20:40:38.950" UserId="10448" />
  <row Id="968" PostId="523" Score="0" Text="&quot;In general, I know that this is not really a matter of sysadmin, it's really a 'user task'&quot; - Sounds pretty clear cut to me." CreationDate="2010-08-03T01:23:03.567" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="872" PostId="525" Score="0" Text="+1 , I agree that some overlap is fine. Trying to make too sharp of division feels unnecessary to me.  I think that is part of the reason it takes 5 votes to move something ... the idea being don't move it unless it really needs to be moved." CreationDate="2010-07-29T13:19:29.667" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="873" PostId="527" Score="1" Text="Agreed.  I didn't vote to move because it is well-formed and involved topical subjects." CreationDate="2010-07-29T13:43:10.000" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="876" PostId="528" Score="0" Text="Definitely, I'll edit above to be less murky in what I'm trying to get at." CreationDate="2010-07-29T14:25:48.027" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="931" PostId="528" Score="0" Text="Until you are told to do it at the home of the owner, and make it work without disturbing his VPN." CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:04:45.617" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="938" PostId="528" Score="0" Text="@tom what? no just because you are doing it at a company owner's home doesn't suddenly make it in scope because it is still a *home* networking issue." CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:47:49.837" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="922" PostId="529" Score="0" Text="It'd be interesting to see a timezone distribution and &quot;most active hours&quot; graph - maybe you're just seeing them when most of the 3k+ users are asleep." CreationDate="2010-07-29T17:53:21.113" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="967" PostId="529" Score="0" Text="It's because people who have been here for a while start recognizing the questions that make you stupider for having read them." CreationDate="2010-08-03T01:14:50.187" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="927" PostId="530" Score="0" Text="It seems to me that it is mostly just having active moderators." CreationDate="2010-07-29T22:07:12.013" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="928" PostId="530" Score="0" Text="I was only kidding, it's because of Kyle really." CreationDate="2010-07-29T22:10:33.290" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="935" PostId="530" Score="0" Text="I would like to see the moderators have a softer touch in this area myself .. it is easy enough to ignore questions." CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:43:37.363" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="941" PostId="530" Score="2" Text="I disagree, tom.  I believe you're in a complete minority." CreationDate="2010-07-30T13:28:06.783" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="877" PostId="531" Score="0" Text="belongs to http://meta.serverfault.com/ or meta meta.." CreationDate="2009-07-18T16:30:49.637" UserId="2413" />
  <row Id="878" PostId="531" Score="0" Text="Duplicate: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6650/is-there-a-faq-on-my-questions-was-migrated-what-next" CreationDate="2009-07-18T17:48:23.107" UserDisplayName="Diago" />
  <row Id="879" PostId="532" Score="0" Text="Just did.  The question is not associated with my user id." CreationDate="2009-07-18T16:10:09.990" UserDisplayName="Jason Kester" />
  <row Id="880" PostId="532" Score="0" Text="Don't post the beta password here. Just link to the blog post." CreationDate="2009-07-18T16:56:33.187" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="881" PostId="533" Score="0" Text="+1 for linking to the blog post rather than just posting the password here." CreationDate="2009-07-18T16:57:06.580" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="882" PostId="534" Score="0" Text="unless you're trying to make sure that it will work as desired... yes, its a PITA for those that missed the post about the beta, but if the testing allows us to work out any issues now as opposed to later I'll deal with the hassle that the beta entails." CreationDate="2009-07-19T14:03:28.127" UserId="284" />
  <row Id="883" PostId="534" Score="0" Text="How about just **not deleting or moving the question**? Take a cold shower, and if you still can't help yourself, wait until after superuser actually opens, and then move it." CreationDate="2009-08-20T01:28:53.583" UserDisplayName="MGOwen" />
  <row Id="884" PostId="536" Score="1" Text="I would guess if such a thing were implemented they would have a version of [closed], perhaps called [moved] so that a question placeholder could be found with a link to the moved version on the other site. Now that I've said it, perhaps that's too much complication." CreationDate="2009-05-03T17:05:57.867" UserDisplayName="Arnold Spence" />
  <row Id="885" PostId="536" Score="0" Text="I guess that makes sense." CreationDate="2009-05-03T17:47:20.530" UserDisplayName="cagcowboy" />
  <row Id="887" PostId="538" Score="0" Text="This operation will most likely be constrained to moderators or question owners." CreationDate="2009-05-15T03:58:04.627" UserDisplayName="bendewey" />
  <row Id="888" PostId="540" Score="0" Text="Look at the dates." CreationDate="2009-08-26T14:44:23.653" UserDisplayName="Brad Gilbert" />
  <row Id="889" PostId="540" Score="0" Text="Well, the question is still correct and he is just answering :)" CreationDate="2009-08-26T15:04:15.523" UserDisplayName="Michael Stum" />
  <row Id="890" PostId="542" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the link.  Where is the feed linked from?  I couldn't find it anywhere on the site or am I just blind?" CreationDate="2009-06-03T09:25:28.147" UserDisplayName="Thomas Bratt" />
  <row Id="891" PostId="542" Score="0" Text="Thanks.  I was spending too much time on the questions page :)" CreationDate="2009-06-03T10:00:05.333" UserDisplayName="Thomas Bratt" />
  <row Id="892" PostId="544" Score="0" Text="Please update this to community wiki and add the link back to the FAQ listing - http://serverfault.com/questions/8324/how-does-serverfault-work-the-community-faq" CreationDate="2009-05-26T13:40:03.753" UserDisplayName="Rob" />
  <row Id="893" PostId="544" Score="0" Text="Good idea.  Done." CreationDate="2009-05-26T14:29:39.740" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="894" PostId="546" Score="0" Text="Great!  Wasn't around for the SO beta, but I was pretty sure that that was a key ingredient and would obviously carry over here." CreationDate="2009-05-21T13:58:57.900" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="6013" PostId="546" Score="0" Text="@Concerned: Please define &quot;punters&quot;." CreationDate="2012-04-23T18:07:08.723" UserId="41765" />
  <row Id="6016" PostId="546" Score="0" Text="@bukzor - It's a term that means 'customers', or 'users'." CreationDate="2012-04-23T20:25:44.897" UserId="1447" />
  <row Id="895" PostId="547" Score="0" Text="Cool, thx.  I haven't been following the podcast (yet).  One of these days I'll get caught up....." CreationDate="2009-05-21T20:13:12.373" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="896" PostId="548" Score="0" Text="We should post in Esperanto ... ;)" CreationDate="2009-09-25T17:04:50.467" UserDisplayName="Oscar Reyes" />
  <row Id="897" PostId="553" Score="0" Text="Suggestion; add this to the community wiki? It's a good question." CreationDate="2009-06-09T11:40:17.590" UserDisplayName="Greg Meehan" />
  <row Id="898" PostId="553" Score="4" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10841/How-to-handle-duplicate-questions" CreationDate="2010-02-19T20:17:45.260" UserDisplayName="Brad Gilbert" />
  <row Id="899" PostId="554" Score="2" Text="Merging questions is a good option when they're exactly the same and the second question has fetched some answers before it can be deleted." CreationDate="2009-06-09T15:09:10.060" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="900" PostId="558" Score="0" Text="Why wouldn't SEO belong?  As a sysadmin, don't you have to register sites with search engines, submit sitemaps, etc?" CreationDate="2009-05-08T17:10:12.043" UserDisplayName="Joseph" />
  <row Id="901" PostId="558" Score="2" Text="As a sysadmin, I have never had to do that. That is generally the job of the site developer, or the person responsible for the sites content" CreationDate="2009-05-08T17:12:02.010" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="902" PostId="558" Score="0" Text="And SEO is much more than just registering sites and sitemaps. It has a **lot** more to do with the site's content and marketing." CreationDate="2009-05-08T17:16:04.107" UserDisplayName="Ivan" />
  <row Id="903" PostId="558" Score="0" Text="I'm not speaking to the content of the site, that is solely the developer's responsiblity, but I do disagree with the idea that the developer is responsible for administering the web site once it's reached the publishing stage.  At that point the developer should be hands off, which isn't what is being advocated here." CreationDate="2009-05-08T17:34:50.317" UserDisplayName="Joseph" />
  <row Id="904" PostId="563" Score="1" Text="I felt there needed to be a distinction between administering SEO and the techniques.  I completely agree that SEO techniques do not really have relevance on SF, but I feel that administering your site in regards to SEO is indeed something that does belong here." CreationDate="2009-05-08T17:40:20.833" UserDisplayName="Joseph" />
  <row Id="905" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="Quite frankly some SEO techniques might be interesting topics if the only thing discussed pertains to how the website is configured/developed/administrated, but it certainly wouldn't cover general SEO techniques, spamming, link bait, etc - which is the bread and butter of typical SEO. Keep this site for server configuration, setup, and administration issues, and as SEO requires these professional activities, great, but any SEO topic that doesn't relate to those specific activities, then go to an SEO forum - there are many." CreationDate="2009-05-08T17:43:35.130" UserDisplayName="Pollyanna" />
  <row Id="906" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="@Adam thanks, I wanted to try and go along with your theme as best I could =)" CreationDate="2009-05-08T17:46:52.657" UserDisplayName="Joseph" />
  <row Id="1029" PostId="564" Score="0" Text="SEO is not fraud, it's called &quot;organic traffic building&quot;. You can acquire good SEO by having well-formed hyperlinks and good and relevant content. Half of it is the exact science of cleaning up broken links, remembering to add meta tags, etc. The other half is the art of being relevant to your niche and giving people reason to link to you. Little of this (but some of it nonetheless) relates to Server Vault. However, none of this has to do with hacking. What you refer to is considered SEO abuse. By the way, I am a developer for a very popular SEO tool. We don't support nor deal with hackers." CreationDate="2010-08-13T04:09:57.653" UserId="17341" />
  <row Id="907" PostId="565" Score="0" Text="Sure, thats done" CreationDate="2009-05-02T17:52:49.917" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="908" PostId="566" Score="0" Text="What about retagging a question to reformat a tag when somebody makes one up? On SO, I sometimes see somebody make up a new tag when there is already an existing one, so I fix it." CreationDate="2009-05-03T00:23:01.257" UserDisplayName="Zifre" />
  <row Id="909" PostId="566" Score="0" Text="Nice :) But a few minor points until I can edit myself: 9.0.4 should be 9.04 (the 04 is for April). Also backup and ubuntu aren't the best tags for being narrow as they are both (currently) in the ten most common tags - backup being more common that windowsserver2003. Maybe the narrow tags could be smtp, firewall ..." CreationDate="2009-05-03T19:06:23.507" UserId="629" />
  <row Id="910" PostId="566" Score="0" Text="Good points, have adapted to meet them." CreationDate="2009-05-03T21:03:53.007" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="911" PostId="566" Score="0" Text="First you give instruction to use all lower-case, then you give example of tag &quot;Windows Server 2003&quot; which should be transformed to &quot;Windows-Server-2003&quot;, shouldn't that be &quot;windows-server-2003&quot;?" CreationDate="2009-05-05T17:22:17.000" UserDisplayName="Juha Syrjälä" />
  <row Id="912" PostId="566" Score="0" Text="Also &quot;Windows Server 2003&quot; is a bit bad example, since there is already popular tag &quot;windowsserver2003&quot;. Maybe &quot;active-directory&quot; would be better example for this case?" CreationDate="2009-05-05T17:34:17.487" UserDisplayName="Juha Syrjälä" />
  <row Id="913" PostId="567" Score="1" Text="Well in my opinion, tags denote a collection, so should be plural in the case of best-practices, it gets a bit less obvious with filesystems and upgrades, I prefer plural, but either would work" CreationDate="2009-05-02T17:51:21.183" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="914" PostId="568" Score="0" Text="15 character minimum to say yes." CreationDate="2009-05-24T06:18:32.540" UserId="1233" />
  <row Id="915" PostId="570" Score="0" Text="Its a good idea to tag posts that don't belong here with something, so that people who can, can easily vote for them to be closed, it would be nice if it was a consistent tag everyone used.&#xA;As for these techsupport questsions, they will eventually have a home on SuperUser, so it may make some sense to eventually use a belongs-on-superuser tag" CreationDate="2009-06-02T08:12:57.417" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="918" PostId="571" Score="1" Text="(careful with the faq tag, though, it's a special one on the meta sites)" CreationDate="2010-07-29T15:46:08.213" UserId="10448" />
  <row Id="919" PostId="571" Score="1" Text="ah, did not know, should have read the faq ;)" CreationDate="2010-07-29T15:47:05.903" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="917" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="*end of working day, apologies if this doesn't make much sense.*" CreationDate="2010-07-29T15:39:21.613" UserId="10448" />
  <row Id="920" PostId="573" Score="0" Text="good point about the advertisers link - tbh I'd never spotted it before." CreationDate="2010-07-29T15:48:23.673" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="939" PostId="573" Score="0" Text="Link to the &quot;inert monster/piece of art&quot; ?" CreationDate="2010-07-30T07:47:17.157" UserId="20186" />
  <row Id="940" PostId="573" Score="0" Text="@Maxim - You would need 10k of reputation to actually see it. To the regular eye it's just a basic user account with no questions (and no, I'm not playing a fairy tale here)." CreationDate="2010-07-30T07:52:00.297" UserId="10448" />
  <row Id="1002" PostId="573" Score="0" Text="+1 for &quot;It would be also useless to make such a line in the FAQ&quot;. It's hard enough to get people to read the first sentence, let alone adding more content. :(" CreationDate="2010-08-06T11:56:44.250" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="926" PostId="574" Score="0" Text="coincidentally, sure." CreationDate="2010-07-29T20:56:28.507" UserId="10448" />
  <row Id="930" PostId="575" Score="1" Text="Agreed .. networking theory stuff fits on ServerFault" CreationDate="2010-07-29T22:52:13.327" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="937" PostId="575" Score="0" Text="+1 I already check here if i remember seeing something i've suddenly needed to learn real quick." CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:46:08.107" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="932" PostId="576" Score="4" Text="`There is no practical difference between a &quot;home&quot; network (DSL, broadband router, 2 or 3 PCs, Home Server, xBox, DVR) and a office network (T1, firewall, 150 PCs, a copier, perhaps telephone system).` I think you'll find there's a huge difference between maintaining a DSL and a T1 connection as they're two different technologies..." CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:20:52.190" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="933" PostId="576" Score="0" Text="Sure, but from the point of view of how the IP network works, they are essentially identical." CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:40:39.130" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="934" PostId="576" Score="2" Text="Home and small business maybe similar but out of the &quot;small&quot; part of the SME space trying to run an office like a home is not such a good idea. also not every office only has 150 pcs to maintain. heck most of our small offices are in the 1000's of pcs." CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:43:17.690" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="936" PostId="576" Score="0" Text="You have it backwards .. home networks need to be run more like the office. The data at home is just as valuable as the data at the office, and I get as much grief from my wife when there are problems as I do from my boss." CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:45:46.610" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="980" PostId="576" Score="2" Text="Let's take it to extremes. My car, and no doubt yours as well, has a number of interconnected computer systems. Would it then be appropriate to ask questions on SF when some part of that system isn't running as it should? After all, despite the absence of CAT5 cables, it's still a computer network and in this case problems can quite literally mean life or death." CreationDate="2010-08-04T03:31:56.993" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="981" PostId="578" Score="0" Text="I hadn't got round to emailing team@ but it looks like Jeff has already sorted it. Accepted Answer to you though as it would've solved it I'm sure, if I'd been less lazy. Oh and +1 =)" CreationDate="2010-08-04T08:52:55.813" UserId="49805" />
  <row Id="943" PostId="580" Score="1" Text="I feel it would be a better fit for there as well but feel I shouldn't use my moderator power (Want community to decide).  Although I am tempted because I don't actually know what happens when you put a question back where it came from :-)" CreationDate="2010-07-30T21:32:17.340" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="944" PostId="580" Score="0" Text="@Kyle 2 more votes and we find out ..." CreationDate="2010-07-30T21:40:43.723" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="948" PostId="580" Score="1" Text="@Kyle - it messes up completely, the situation is not handled by the engine. We had [this situation](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/39595/) on Super User. It's not linking back to the previous question, it's creating a new one on SO. The message is messed up on the SF question, to the previous &quot;migrated from&quot;, and not to &quot;migrated to&quot;. I flagged the question on SO for moderator's review, they ill probably merge the two of them." CreationDate="2010-08-01T09:20:04.317" UserId="10448" />
  <row Id="945" PostId="581" Score="0" Text="I use VCS and administrate VCS.  It could be a SF topic too but that question in particular is not." CreationDate="2010-07-30T22:42:08.113" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="947" PostId="581" Score="0" Text="Single programmers on single machines should 1. not be asking on ServerFault 2. be using a DVCS anyway." CreationDate="2010-08-01T02:41:31.317" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="946" PostId="584" Score="3" Text="It'd be like people going to Super User asking &quot;how do I get warez&quot;." CreationDate="2010-07-31T07:25:31.657" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="960" PostId="584" Score="1" Text="+1, I extend this to breaking network policy as well, not just the law." CreationDate="2010-08-02T20:38:42.110" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1003" PostId="584" Score="0" Text="I agree with Chris S. My pet hate is people asking for ways to circumvent restrictions imposed by their admins. What I hate even more is people answering those questions." CreationDate="2010-08-06T12:05:34.563" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="949" PostId="586" Score="2" Text="I saw that answer go by and just shook my head. Kids these days." CreationDate="2010-08-02T01:37:08.283" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="956" PostId="586" Score="0" Text="Minor note: &quot;math's&quot; was intended by the author as a contraction of &quot;math is&quot; rather than the British &quot;maths&quot; with an extraneous apostrophe." CreationDate="2010-08-02T16:37:31.523" UserId="1293" />
  <row Id="963" PostId="586" Score="0" Text="@Dennis, that makes it even worse, it means that he was gramatically CORRECT!" CreationDate="2010-08-02T21:33:22.097" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="964" PostId="586" Score="2" Text="Also nominated for nickname of the year...." CreationDate="2010-08-02T22:09:14.100" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="950" PostId="587" Score="2" Text="You didn't tag this as &quot;dirty-spamming-spammer-spam&quot;?" CreationDate="2010-08-02T02:26:25.950" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="953" PostId="587" Score="0" Text="@andrew I was really tempted by, &quot;Some bloody Vikings need to get ejected.&quot;" CreationDate="2010-08-02T05:42:38.350" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="962" PostId="589" Score="0" Text="Ahhhh this will never get old, will it?" CreationDate="2010-08-02T21:32:46.293" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="975" PostId="589" Score="0" Text="So how's that translate in Italian? :)" CreationDate="2010-08-03T21:34:29.807" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="954" PostId="591" Score="0" Text="Personally I suspect it is more of a language barrier issue for him.  Asking questions about homework is not directly wrong.  The way he asks most of his questions doesn't seem to me like he is looking for the direct answer to an assignment.  Many of them seem more like he is looking for clarification on some topic.  Unfortunately because they are badly written it is difficult to be sure.  I think many of his questions would be fine with a little [editing](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/501/editing-not-so-good-questions)" CreationDate="2010-08-02T15:59:33.140" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="955" PostId="591" Score="2" Text="He has stated several times that his questions are about something he recently learned in class/sessions. From the ServerFault FAQ: &quot;Server Fault is for system administrators and IT professionals, people who manage or maintain computers in a professional capacity&quot;" CreationDate="2010-08-02T16:14:45.373" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="958" PostId="591" Score="0" Text="I think the semi-repetitive nature of his questions suggests they're short-essay homework questions; plus many later questions were already answered in earlier question's answers." CreationDate="2010-08-02T20:20:36.733" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="957" PostId="593" Score="0" Text="I guess I feel a little silly. Being on the site over a year, and I can't remember ever flagging a post. I guess I wasn't aware it was that easy." CreationDate="2010-08-02T20:01:21.863" UserId="9007" />
  <row Id="959" PostId="593" Score="1" Text="See also: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/57497/limit-to-self-promotion-in-answers/" CreationDate="2010-08-02T20:22:11.877" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="965" PostId="593" Score="0" Text="@dan It takes a few flags for it to be automatically taken care of, but it does get moderator attention." CreationDate="2010-08-02T22:50:31.920" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="974" PostId="593" Score="0" Text="6 flags, automatic deletion.  http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/58032/how-does-the-spam-flag-work" CreationDate="2010-08-03T13:15:04.900" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="971" PostId="599" Score="0" Text="So where is the line, fuzzy as it may be? Do we simply each use our own discretion or should there be some sort of guideline?" CreationDate="2010-08-03T10:18:18.467" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="972" PostId="599" Score="1" Text="@John, Unless there's some &quot;sysadmin&quot; twist on the question, send software questions to SU." CreationDate="2010-08-03T13:07:18.230" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="979" PostId="600" Score="0" Text="That's pretty much the way I see it but just wanted to know if others feel the same way about it." CreationDate="2010-08-04T02:47:07.147" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="985" PostId="602" Score="0" Text="+1 &quot;Also, if a huge percentage of your posts include a mention of your product, you're clearly here for the wrong reasons.&quot; - From the FAQ." CreationDate="2010-08-04T15:39:16.443" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1008" PostId="603" Score="0" Text="I'm with ya, there's a LOT the SU users have taught me about PC issues and other home gear.   Things I just don't delve innto at work." CreationDate="2010-08-06T18:15:45.870" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="982" PostId="605" Score="0" Text="thanks. i'm just  some sort of noob that gets headaches from 'Advanced Super Ninja Search Options' ie typing lots of [] and : in a searchbox (makes me having to think, and I hate thinking on websites). I think I'll stick to my current habits then, though I have to admit that the extra search options are powerful :-)" CreationDate="2010-08-04T09:45:08.223" UserId="10842" />
  <row Id="984" PostId="605" Score="2" Text="You might be on the wrong Web sites if you don't like to think." CreationDate="2010-08-04T13:52:53.730" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="994" PostId="609" Score="0" Text="I think part of it too is that on SO there are tons of people who can vote a question over to SF/SU. But on SF and SU there are only dozens. I still think a large part of it is that is doesn't take 5 votes, it can take as little as 2 (in a 1-1-1-2 vote). Maybe if we required 3 or 4 Move Votes before it would actually move, regardless of the total number of votes..." CreationDate="2010-08-06T03:33:17.783" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="996" PostId="609" Score="0" Text="@Chris, good points. Perhaps instead of 5 votes total it should be 5 clear votes for any single option for the action to occur." CreationDate="2010-08-06T03:56:23.523" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1006" PostId="609" Score="1" Text="As of 7/29/2010 at 10AM EST we had 98 SF users at 3000+ reputation, which are users who can vote to close or migrate a question." CreationDate="2010-08-06T17:09:47.143" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1007" PostId="609" Score="1" Text="@warner Good data! I know when I crossed 3K for the first time I *never* voted to close questions. Didn't want to presume. Now though... that inhibition was worn off ;)" CreationDate="2010-08-06T17:36:12.237" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="997" PostId="614" Score="0" Text="I believe moves will always be a valid option, so maybe questions should go into a moderator's bin and one of those gets to make the final decision whether to move, close or put it back, perhaps with a reason why. I don't know how many messages we're talking about, so that might place too much work at the feet of the mods." CreationDate="2010-08-06T03:59:02.623" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1009" PostId="622" Score="0" Text="An activity-threshold is a good idea for any proportional system." CreationDate="2010-08-06T19:46:59.573" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1401" PostId="625" Score="1" Text="I use server fault to look for answer to complex technical questions, and these answer usually come from real world experince. However some licensing issues are very complex, thus need complex answer from those 'in the field'. I'm doubtful that a vendor would activly volunteer information on saving money for example, it's just not in their interests to do it." CreationDate="2010-10-13T21:23:46.167" UserId="37899" />
  <row Id="1402" PostId="625" Score="3" Text="@user37899, my own experience with vendors is contrary to what you say. Every time I've used a vendor to help me with licensing issues they have helped me greatly in getting what I need for the lowest cost. They have also been able to offer expertise in a specialised field that no admin can be expected to have, at least not to the same degree." CreationDate="2010-10-13T22:07:49.440" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1011" PostId="626" Score="0" Text="Yes Evan, you really need all those extra votes. Seriously though, you do have a knack for this kind of thing and I for one would be happy to see you write something suitable." CreationDate="2010-08-07T08:21:41.253" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1073" PostId="626" Score="2" Text="THIS --&gt; Maybe all licensing questions should be closed as exact duplicates of a single &quot;Who should I talk to about software licensing questions?&quot; question with an accepted answer &lt;-- THIS" CreationDate="2010-08-16T12:57:03.220" UserId="4487" />
  <row Id="1159" PostId="626" Score="0" Text="For most licensing questions, like the example, they should be closed as too localized. The circumstances surrounding the licensing question are simply not relevant to the Internet community at large (usually). Some questions however can be answered by people around SF, and are generic enough to be of use to the community. I do agree we could use a nice write up thoroughly explaining &quot;contact the vendor because your situation is probably too unique to be useful to other people&quot;." CreationDate="2010-08-24T16:07:17.307" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1681" PostId="626" Score="0" Text="I've come back here after seeing yet another flurry of licensing questions and am now of the opinion that while your &quot;Closed because...&quot; might be a bit too specific perhaps we should have a somewhat more general option, such as &quot;Closed because this question should be asked of the vendor&quot;." CreationDate="2010-12-23T03:12:51.360" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4217" PostId="626" Score="0" Text="I've yet to be convinced that these questions should be closed. Why can't members of SF who have knowledge in this field be allowed to answer? I wouldn't disagree that ultimately the question should be answered by the vendor, as the SF community might occasionally give bad advise, but does this not apply to every single question raised on SF?" CreationDate="2011-12-16T08:24:09.753" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="1016" PostId="630" Score="0" Text="Tag hierarchy, I like the sound of that." CreationDate="2010-08-11T10:48:44.877" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1012" PostId="632" Score="0" Text="+1, many questions are generic to multiple versions of an OS." CreationDate="2010-08-10T20:27:19.143" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1014" PostId="632" Score="0" Text="Sounds good. Would it be worth doing an organised scan through of questions with these tags and recategorising if needed?" CreationDate="2010-08-11T03:02:15.637" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="1015" PostId="632" Score="0" Text="I don't know about those tags specifically, but it is frequently worth reviewing old questions and looking to see if they can be improved." CreationDate="2010-08-11T03:19:07.307" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1023" PostId="632" Score="0" Text="I did much the same thing with the 'suse' tagged questions last week. That's a much, much, smaller list than 'ubuntu' but it made things cleaner." CreationDate="2010-08-12T04:23:09.383" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1013" PostId="633" Score="0" Text="All of the 64bit questions were clear, and that one was easy.  Merged &amp; synonymed to 64-bit.  I agree on the OS+arch items, but I'll save some fun for another day. ;)" CreationDate="2010-08-10T22:00:36.960" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1017" PostId="633" Score="2" Text="I prefer [32-bit] and [64-bit], because they can be used for either CPU or software questions, whereas [x86] and [x64] are applicable to CPU questions only and are technically inaccurate anyway." CreationDate="2010-08-11T11:49:14.497" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1289" PostId="633" Score="0" Text="@John Gardeniers You'd better add this comment as an answer.. I'd rather up-vote that :)" CreationDate="2010-09-10T05:19:33.867" UserId="53791" />
  <row Id="1290" PostId="633" Score="0" Text="the second part of you answer can be a separate question, here people won't be able to check it &amp; up-vote it separately :)" CreationDate="2010-09-10T05:21:10.053" UserId="53791" />
  <row Id="1018" PostId="635" Score="0" Text="+1 nods, the likely hood of a moderator doing anything nasty when a flag was legitimately related to spam or off-topic question seems extremely unlikely.  If a person was being excessively annoying you would probably get contacted first." CreationDate="2010-08-11T20:12:10.687" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1782" PostId="635" Score="0" Text="As a low rep user, I resent that.  Some of us can read.  I've even heard a few of us have a sense a humor ;)" CreationDate="2011-01-15T19:50:30.510" UserId="25567" />
  <row Id="1025" PostId="637" Score="0" Text="I see most of those ideas as workable in North America but are they really viable on a global scale? A quick look at page 1 users' bios for example reveals we really are quite a mixed bunch." CreationDate="2010-08-12T11:57:25.743" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1080" PostId="637" Score="2" Text="I don't know how we can repeat this, but I was just reading the newly released 4th edition of the [UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook](http://www.admin.com/) and serverfault.com is listed as a web-based system admin resource in table 1.5." CreationDate="2010-08-16T21:05:51.893" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1024" PostId="639" Score="0" Text="Ignoring the coding aspect for a moment, I see some real merit in that idea. High rep SO users for instance should be in a pretty good position to determine that a question is more suited to that site. Imagine also if those same users could counter votes by others to move a question that they determine as unsuitable for the move." CreationDate="2010-08-12T11:50:14.197" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1019" PostId="640" Score="1" Text="Not sure why it's absurd there is an SE site for Ubuntu. That gives users struggling with Ubuntu a designated place to go -- as opposed to spamming their questions here or SU." CreationDate="2010-08-11T23:39:36.473" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1020" PostId="640" Score="2" Text="It sure seems to me that a large majority of Ubuntu use is not for servers.  They may be diluting superuser, but I don't think they are doing much harm to serverfault." CreationDate="2010-08-12T00:52:49.040" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1021" PostId="640" Score="0" Text="&quot;Vendor forums&quot; are usually better utilised in open source projects, but still have the problems of registration and being better suited for discussion than Q&amp;A. I'd hope that Ubuntu Stack Exchange define themselves as &quot;desktop / netbook only&quot; and migrate server questions back to us." CreationDate="2010-08-12T01:14:24.487" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="1022" PostId="640" Score="2" Text="Ahh I wish it were summer in the southern hemisphere..." CreationDate="2010-08-12T02:21:27.210" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1035" PostId="643" Score="0" Text="What would you define as a Microsoft MVP?  Why weren't they interested?" CreationDate="2010-08-14T04:27:51.887" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1051" PostId="643" Score="1" Text="I'm a former (1998 to 2008) MVP.&#xA;I think the program is quite tightly focussed on support in tightly defined areas. If answering questions here doesn't count towards one's MVP status and answwering similar questions on the Microsoft forums does, then MVPs will naturally gravitate to the MS forums." CreationDate="2010-08-15T14:21:16.543" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1052" PostId="643" Score="0" Text="Warner, a Microsoft MVP is someone who has received a yearly award from Microsoft for contributions to the (microsoft based) &quot;community&quot;. Usually answering questions in their forums in much the same way people do here." CreationDate="2010-08-15T14:22:06.190" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1074" PostId="643" Score="0" Text="Interesting.  Perhaps that's an area where targeted advertising could prove to be particularly valuable." CreationDate="2010-08-16T13:25:04.607" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1031" PostId="644" Score="0" Text="+1 As far as guest posters go I have always figured this is something I would want to do in the abstract...  So I will start to think about it more concretely. For the layout those are all good points which I am going to add to my ever growing to-do :-)" CreationDate="2010-08-13T13:47:09.593" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="1033" PostId="644" Score="1" Text="Well? Well? It's been almost 12 hours since you commented...  :)" CreationDate="2010-08-14T01:36:53.757" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1030" PostId="645" Score="4" Text="I think mostly we mean &quot;broaden the audience of our peers&quot;, not *literally* professionals" CreationDate="2010-08-13T10:57:42.430" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1062" PostId="645" Score="0" Text="I've seen no mention anywhere on SF to say that certifications are a requirement." CreationDate="2010-08-15T22:12:10.267" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1032" PostId="647" Score="0" Text="Also the original account association post by Jeff: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2508/account-association-between-websites" CreationDate="2010-08-13T21:28:23.910" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1036" PostId="648" Score="0" Text="You **can** _use_ basic inline `formatting` in comments.  You can post [links](http://meta.serverfault.com/editing-help) and many other things.  You just have to type the markdown yourself." CreationDate="2010-08-14T20:45:43.503" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1040" PostId="649" Score="1" Text="What you are talking about is not SPAM.  The system handles SPAM very well." CreationDate="2010-08-14T22:55:40.700" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1038" PostId="650" Score="4" Text="The biggest problem with both your questions and answer is that they are barely readable.  On questions you answer, you do not appear to understand the question.  On questions you post we do not understand you.  You really need to work improving your English." CreationDate="2010-08-14T21:16:47.550" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1039" PostId="651" Score="2" Text="-1, worthless comment. (see, this is why)" CreationDate="2010-08-14T22:31:31.977" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1047" PostId="651" Score="0" Text="Zordache isn't a moderator, so he cannot unilaterally close questions and he cannot delete answers at all. Closing a question requires 5 votes from people over 3k reputation." CreationDate="2010-08-15T13:48:05.553" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1050" PostId="651" Score="5" Text="Good god.  Can we please stop feeding the troll?" CreationDate="2010-08-15T14:03:35.407" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1070" PostId="651" Score="2" Text="I've voted to close this as pointless noise and can only wonder why others haven't done likewise. This person just keeps posting minor variations of the same thing. Meta should not become his/her personal gripe area." CreationDate="2010-08-16T05:23:58.970" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1037" PostId="654" Score="6" Text="How can you possibly know who down-voted you since voting is anonymous ?" CreationDate="2010-08-14T20:51:17.097" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1043" PostId="654" Score="0" Text="I'm fairly certain he believes that I'm the one downvoting all of his stuff (I'm not)." CreationDate="2010-08-15T04:26:58.673" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1063" PostId="654" Score="0" Text="From what I've seen, newcomers who ask and answer sensibly and with knowledge don't have a problem with downvotes. Does this give you any clues?" CreationDate="2010-08-15T22:19:43.860" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1161" PostId="654" Score="0" Text="@GregD, there's probably a few of us he thinks are downvoting him who haven't actually done it a single time... like those who comment/answer his &quot;questions&quot;." CreationDate="2010-08-24T16:32:45.703" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1044" PostId="656" Score="0" Text="Under posts, I did mean all posts - including comments." CreationDate="2010-08-15T05:32:42.713" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1041" PostId="664" Score="1" Text="+1 *&quot;But let's be honest - we're human. It also reflects that person's ability to communicate clearly and effectively.&quot;* I would go as far as saying that the ability to communicate clearly and effectively is part of what makes a good sysadmin. If something is unclear or confusing, it could very well cause more damage than good." CreationDate="2010-08-15T00:12:04.837" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1042" PostId="664" Score="5" Text="&quot;Strong written and oral communication skills,&quot; is a line-item on nearly all sysadmin job postings I've ever seen. It's because the datacenter-troll version of sysadmin is not useful for most companies." CreationDate="2010-08-15T00:29:23.750" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1045" PostId="667" Score="0" Text="plz see Update1." CreationDate="2010-08-15T12:18:07.870" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1054" PostId="667" Score="1" Text="It works better if you put your comments on an answer right after the answer, not in the question.  The phrase &quot;Edit 3 in original post&quot; is from your comment on the answer given by Testlabs and edited by GregD." CreationDate="2010-08-15T14:55:15.723" UserId="9570" />
  <row Id="1056" PostId="667" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I checked it again, the google search I listed returns a result, and the quoted text is from one of your comments.  As other answers have said, you'd have to look on meta.stackoverflow.com to get more info on what works and doesn't work for searching comments.  Finally (not that I expect you to pay attention), why would you add a comment pointing back changes made to the OP?  Why not make your comments as a comment on the actual answer?" CreationDate="2010-08-15T16:38:05.390" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1046" PostId="668" Score="0" Text="+1 They are not suppose to be posts, they are suppose to be distinct answers and questions for other people to easily get their answers from." CreationDate="2010-08-15T13:22:37.753" UserId="1463" />
  <row Id="1048" PostId="670" Score="0" Text="The question was migrated from stackoverflow, does that point you in the right direction?" CreationDate="2010-08-15T13:49:38.793" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1072" PostId="670" Score="0" Text="The question was migrated, because he posted something on SO that was not appropriate for it. He can associate the accounts whenever he likes and begin gaining rep here for it." CreationDate="2010-08-16T12:45:22.863" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1049" PostId="673" Score="3" Text="It could be nice to have this. Instead of a copy, perhaps something symlink *ish*, so continuing discussion does not fork the question and answers across the meta sites?" CreationDate="2010-08-15T14:03:33.503" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1119" PostId="673" Score="0" Text="I suppose I could just re-ask a pile of questions with the [faq] tag on MSO, but that seems clunky." CreationDate="2010-08-18T20:20:50.553" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1160" PostId="673" Score="0" Text="@JScott, +10000 symlink the questions!" CreationDate="2010-08-24T16:29:26.953" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1055" PostId="674" Score="2" Text="@vgv8 I appreciate that you are posting meta questions in the right place now.  Thank you! The goal of Serverfault, StackOverflow, SuperUser and all other StackExchange sites is to build a place where the best questions and answers for a topic can be found. Good posts are created by the whole community (editing, voting) and should be (meta discussion)noise-free." CreationDate="2010-08-15T15:38:31.517" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1057" PostId="674" Score="0" Text="@vgv8 - In reply to Update2, the revision history is available for everyone to view. It is always made clear if there is more than one revision, and your post will always be shown as the first revision, so people will know you created the content originally. Nobody is trying to take credit from you." CreationDate="2010-08-15T17:15:27.533" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="1058" PostId="674" Score="0" Text="@vgv8 can you please provide a link to an answer you have posted where you believe you are not being shown the revision history." CreationDate="2010-08-15T17:45:53.757" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="1059" PostId="674" Score="2" Text="@vgv8 - ALL revisions by *anybody* are tracked. If you edit your post, it will show a revision made by you. If I edit your post, it will show a revision by me. The only exception to this is if you edit your post multiple times within 5 minutes - if you do this, it will show all edits in that 5 minute period as your last revision. If however I edit in between this 5 minute period, it will then show a new revision entry for me, and if you edit subsequently, you will get another revision." CreationDate="2010-08-15T17:55:26.003" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="1060" PostId="674" Score="2" Text="It's been obvious for a while (GregD's been pointing out for a couple days at least) that this vgv8 person just likes to argue and isn't trying to make any progress in understanding how SF works.  Maybe we can all just agree to close any future unclear or argumentative questions he posts?" CreationDate="2010-08-15T19:15:05.607" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1064" PostId="674" Score="1" Text="Please, please use the comments (now you have &gt; 50 rep) rather than updating your posts, though you can *always* comment on your own questions and answers to your own questions." CreationDate="2010-08-15T22:21:00.640" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="1067" PostId="676" Score="0" Text="I believe that there's value in insuring that certain key players in the industry are aware of its existence.  Nevertheless, you do have a legitimate point." CreationDate="2010-08-16T01:26:11.573" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1053" PostId="677" Score="5" Text="IMHO, some users need to just move on.  I've pointed vgv8 to the FAQs on several occasions, which has only ended in seemingly frustrating him or her further.  @vgv8 this is not the community you are looking for *waves hand*" CreationDate="2010-08-15T14:49:28.997" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1065" PostId="677" Score="1" Text="Something tells me the Jedi mind trick isn't going to work on this kid. Funny, I thought it worked well on weak minded beings. Maybe you don't have enough midichlorians." CreationDate="2010-08-15T22:40:44.997" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="1061" PostId="680" Score="0" Text="Requring a comment will not work.  People will just post worthless comments.&#xA;&#xA;http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/651/request-to-prohibit-anonymous-and-without-reason-explanation-downvoting" CreationDate="2010-08-15T21:36:00.930" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1086" PostId="680" Score="0" Text="That is why I suggested if they post a &quot;worthless&quot; comment, then allow people to report it and take more than 1 point away (maybe 5?) if it is indeed found to be worthless." CreationDate="2010-08-17T11:52:13.870" UserId="23932" />
  <row Id="1176" PostId="680" Score="0" Text="Nathan - and then you're into defining  what &quot;worthless&quot; means. If you disagree with a downvote or the comment justifying it does that make the downvote &quot;worthless&quot;? What if I disagree with you? Good luck making that one work." CreationDate="2010-08-25T22:06:31.943" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1229" PostId="680" Score="0" Text="I'm not understanding the hostility here. Seems like meta is a 180 version of the respected site. In any case, I think there is a &quot;lost in translation&quot; going on here. So, lets say you downvote and are required to post a comment, and its like &quot;I disagree&quot;. If X people downvote it, a &quot;Bad Comment&quot; button appears, and people will be able to flag it as such. You can disagree with me all you want, you can only downvote once. The only way I can see this &quot;fail&quot; is if you get a group of friends to downvote me as well. Disagreeing with someone is ok, but not creating a constructive response is foolish." CreationDate="2010-08-31T02:22:37.557" UserId="23932" />
  <row Id="1087" PostId="681" Score="0" Text="An upvote simply means you agree or like the answer which generally I don't think warrants a comment (ie you wouldn't post &quot;nice post d00d!&quot;), but usually a downvote there is some reason you are downvoting it (wrong answer, incomplete answer) which in that case I think it would be beneficial for not only the SF like sites to know what is wrong about the answer, but to allow the poster to fix it. I mean, if someone downvotes an answer, and someone else discovers it through google or something - how do they know what is wrong with the answer?" CreationDate="2010-08-17T11:56:48.510" UserId="23932" />
  <row Id="1088" PostId="681" Score="0" Text="A perfect example of why I would even concise of such a feature is this SF question: http://serverfault.com/questions/170601/170606 for whatever reason someone downvoted me yet the OP posted that the answer was &quot;spot on&quot;." CreationDate="2010-08-17T12:01:54.630" UserId="23932" />
  <row Id="1101" PostId="681" Score="0" Text="@Nathan, you've given one example where the downvote was not warranted. This happens. Some people don't read questions or answers, they simply click buttons. Are you also going to get upset when people upvote your answers when that is unwarranted? That happens too, yet nobody ever complains about it. One thing I can tell you, based on observation, the more you complain about downvotes the more likely you are to get them." CreationDate="2010-08-17T21:35:14.297" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1111" PostId="681" Score="0" Text="Your response intrigues me, I can't tell if it is an attack against me or a rhetorical statement. In any case, your statement of &quot;Some people don't read questions or answers, they simply click buttons.&quot; is exactly the reason why a quota system should be put into place. At least for the people who under a certain rep, are required to post a &quot;useful&quot; comment. I did watch a small portion of a presentation given by one of the creators of the SO system and they wanted to &quot;encourage&quot; a certain behavior with the way the site works and this would defiantly accomplish that goal, would you not agree?" CreationDate="2010-08-18T03:29:49.667" UserId="23932" />
  <row Id="1068" PostId="683" Score="5" Text="You continue to ignore the overarching issue, which is that this site has a specific flow and structure to it. This flow and structure works for almost everyone except you. This will not change to suit you. **The End**" CreationDate="2010-08-16T04:36:28.747" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1255" PostId="683" Score="0" Text="To answer your question, at the bottom of every page is a link to the CC-Wiki license that all visitors are subject to (authors and readers). Your &quot;contributions&quot; to this site, like most sites, is a derivation of free public speech; and once you have made that speech public, it is the public's right to hear it (including as altered by others). So no you can't revoke what has been posted; you have willing submitted to it being edited by others; others have the same author rights as well; and everyone retains the right to not read an author's writings." CreationDate="2010-09-01T20:32:23.857" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12202" PostId="683" Score="0" Text="You have a moral right to not have the words of others passed off as yours.  That would be fraud.  But that does not occur here, the edit history clearly shows who added what." CreationDate="2014-01-07T23:34:04.233" UserId="28549" />
  <row Id="1076" PostId="686" Score="1" Text="+1 - this advice will have your account deleted. If you wish to remove all posts, you can delete them yourself. A user is always able to delete his or her own comments or answers." CreationDate="2010-08-16T14:36:03.010" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1078" PostId="686" Score="9" Text="@MarkM, that is not entirely true.  You can not self delete answers once they have have been [accepted](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/14932/allow-author-of-accepted-answer-to-delete-it-in-certain-circumstances).  Although this restriction will not be a problem for vgv8." CreationDate="2010-08-16T20:09:45.303" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1079" PostId="686" Score="0" Text="@Zordache - Haha! I did not realize that restriction. Thanks for the heads up." CreationDate="2010-08-16T20:11:37.993" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1271" PostId="686" Score="1" Text="That's too funny, Zoredache!  +1, and Bravo!" CreationDate="2010-09-03T15:56:29.317" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1632" PostId="686" Score="0" Text="10k+ users can see everything, even &quot;deleted&quot; posts and all edits." CreationDate="2010-12-08T21:03:06.060" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1071" PostId="687" Score="2" Text="This is not possible. Each user is only allowed 1 downvote per unique question or answer. A single user cannot, under any circumstance, downvote the same thing more than once." CreationDate="2010-08-16T12:44:09.490" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1102" PostId="687" Score="0" Text="How can this suspended user post an answer?" CreationDate="2010-08-17T21:38:42.223" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1115" PostId="687" Score="0" Text="I believe this was prior to their meta suspension, which was 2-ish days after the SF suspension" CreationDate="2010-08-18T13:33:36.913" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1158" PostId="687" Score="0" Text="@MarkM; technically there's a known bug that if you vote before a question is migrated to another site, you can vote again on the new site; but it's still limited to a theoretical 3 votes, and only on questions." CreationDate="2010-08-24T16:01:56.360" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1077" PostId="690" Score="8" Text="I'm guessing you were suspended because you appear to be a puppet account of vgv8...am I correct?" CreationDate="2010-08-16T17:10:28.527" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="1075" PostId="693" Score="0" Text="And of course, once you DO have the hang of it, but still think you have a good change to suggest, you can always post that here, too!" CreationDate="2010-08-16T14:07:10.817" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1082" PostId="694" Score="2" Text="A site full of Geeks and nobody else thought to Google it? +1 for you. -1 for me." CreationDate="2010-08-16T22:38:12.870" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="1083" PostId="694" Score="2" Text="Oh look, it's a troll on the Internet.  +1 for proving it." CreationDate="2010-08-16T22:55:15.283" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1081" PostId="695" Score="0" Text="Can't say that would appeal to me - but I'm upvoting anyway because I can see why it might appeal to others... and if it isn't too expensive to implement might be worthwhile - especially as it presumably only needs to be done once to work for all the SO/SF/SU sites" CreationDate="2010-08-16T22:23:58.733" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1084" PostId="695" Score="2" Text="Already exists.  See: http://serverfault.com/users/flair" CreationDate="2010-08-16T23:01:25.730" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1094" PostId="695" Score="0" Text="@Warner Thanks, I looked around in the FAQ on SF and SO." CreationDate="2010-08-17T16:08:12.143" UserId="49318" />
  <row Id="1091" PostId="699" Score="0" Text="You might be surprised on the professional organizations, Doug.  Many senior level guys I run into have had or do have some association with some type of professional organization. I'm not sure I agree with the tag ownership concept." CreationDate="2010-08-17T13:26:03.573" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1085" PostId="700" Score="6" Text="IMHO - If you are having trouble getting answers from a vendor, find a new vendor who actually wants your money." CreationDate="2010-08-17T03:26:16.360" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1400" PostId="700" Score="2" Text="or what if your completely locked into one vendor? that vendor can treat you how it likes.." CreationDate="2010-10-13T21:18:28.910" UserId="37899" />
  <row Id="1455" PostId="701" Score="0" Text="All gone......." CreationDate="2010-10-23T22:52:03.550" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="1089" PostId="705" Score="1" Text="I think you underestimate the power of trolls that be trollin' hard. I never ever edit noise out of people's answers for fear or changing their meaning by accident, but in vgv8's case (which I assume this is about), most of his posts have over a dozen edits and rollbacks and even I've gotten in on the action. He's a super troll, a new breed never before seen." CreationDate="2010-08-17T13:13:43.083" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1092" PostId="705" Score="0" Text="The Internet has seen every sort of troll many years before now.  Different medium, similar methods.  Agreed, Jeff.  While I see the benefit of an ignore feature, it is not something typically applied to this type of medium." CreationDate="2010-08-17T13:27:34.630" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1093" PostId="705" Score="0" Text="@Warner - I was half joking and I don't support an ignore feature, my point, which I guess was poorly articulated, was that this guy annoying people isn't the fault of the mods. They appeared to do everything they could (as well as other community members) leading up to the ban." CreationDate="2010-08-17T13:33:18.653" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1095" PostId="705" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't use a killfile feature if we had one, because I WANT to see the trolls so I can help stomp on them. I ignore certain *tags* since I don't know diddly about them, but I'd even stop that if I were a full-up moderator." CreationDate="2010-08-17T16:25:13.570" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1104" PostId="706" Score="0" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/680/quotas-on-downvoting/687#687 appears to have been posted after the suspension. Am I reading things wrong or has the suspension not prevented the post?" CreationDate="2010-08-17T21:56:51.143" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1108" PostId="706" Score="0" Text="He was banned on the main site before meta.  meta was a day about 14 hours later." CreationDate="2010-08-18T00:57:28.663" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1138" PostId="706" Score="0" Text="I've read all the comments in the MSO links, I can see how flagging is more useful.  Thanks," CreationDate="2010-08-19T17:17:41.527" UserId="49318" />
  <row Id="1103" PostId="708" Score="0" Text="@Farseeker, I've always wondered why such questions haven't been closed, or simply deleted as off-topic noise." CreationDate="2010-08-17T21:51:15.667" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1105" PostId="708" Score="0" Text="@John i think it got up to 3 close votes at one point, but that's about it." CreationDate="2010-08-17T22:04:49.187" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1110" PostId="708" Score="1" Text="Hmmm... Now that there are more 3K users perhaps we should have another crack at getting it closed. That's 2 votes so far..." CreationDate="2010-08-18T02:52:50.920" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1112" PostId="708" Score="0" Text="Oo oo ooo it's @4 now ... common ONE MORE kind soul ... plleeeeaaassseee (i'm patching right now ... little loopy)" CreationDate="2010-08-18T04:06:27.523" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1113" PostId="708" Score="0" Text="It was Jeff himself who cast the final vote. :)" CreationDate="2010-08-18T08:49:14.113" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1114" PostId="708" Score="2" Text="Some of those questions make me very sad that I can't cast a normal user-vote.  Mod-hammering in those cases is *SO* not worth the fallout." CreationDate="2010-08-18T13:21:32.733" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1121" PostId="708" Score="0" Text="@John - I'm constantly clicking to clsoe that question, and typical, when it finally happens I missed and now I'm not listed in the close voters :( Oh well." CreationDate="2010-08-19T01:45:03.517" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1122" PostId="708" Score="0" Text="@Farseeker, that is unfortunate because I know how much you would like to be listed but at least it's finally closed (at least until some drongos re-open it)." CreationDate="2010-08-19T01:52:50.657" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1123" PostId="708" Score="0" Text="@Farseeker  You can still vote to delete :)" CreationDate="2010-08-19T02:53:23.700" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1124" PostId="708" Score="0" Text="@Zypher, I've never noticed the delete option before (my vote has been registered). Is that a 10K thing?" CreationDate="2010-08-19T11:11:27.843" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1137" PostId="708" Score="0" Text="@John- ya, it's a 10k" CreationDate="2010-08-19T16:15:44.047" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1141" PostId="708" Score="1" Text="I voted to delete. It now needs only 207 more delete votes to succeed! I would love to see the &quot;Deleted By x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x...x&quot; notice, except I don't think deleted questions get that..." CreationDate="2010-08-21T21:43:58.157" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1144" PostId="708" Score="0" Text="Make that 206 delete votes needed...." CreationDate="2010-08-21T22:58:16.807" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1152" PostId="708" Score="0" Text="205 now. Why does it require so many votes? There are just not that many 10K users yet and probably won't be for another couple of years. Seems rather pointless even having an option that cannot be applied." CreationDate="2010-08-23T21:56:34.590" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1096" PostId="709" Score="0" Text="I actually agree with you.  It was a suggestion, but I've changed my question to reflect the HOF not being recycled to the homepage." CreationDate="2010-08-17T20:01:58.073" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1106" PostId="709" Score="2" Text="But I love coming back and seeing my subnetting question on the front page!" CreationDate="2010-08-17T22:46:41.050" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="1098" PostId="710" Score="0" Text="Edited my question to include EAs answer too." CreationDate="2010-08-17T21:01:25.483" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1107" PostId="711" Score="0" Text="I meant more of a cross post onthe sidebar not into the main flow of questions and answers. I think it would serve as 'ads' if you will, for the other sites." CreationDate="2010-08-17T22:56:54.623" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1109" PostId="711" Score="0" Text="@GregD, I'm sure you know how most of us feel about ads, even pseudo ads. I for one don't care what they're selling, as I'm not here to read ads, even if they are for connected sites." CreationDate="2010-08-18T02:46:29.320" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1120" PostId="714" Score="0" Text="Thanks!  Synonyms are my favorite feature since the upvote." CreationDate="2010-08-18T20:55:14.083" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1116" PostId="715" Score="2" Text="+1 for following the windows dash *something* convention." CreationDate="2010-08-18T19:00:23.990" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1117" PostId="715" Score="0" Text="Yep, we can mass tag.  I lean toward consistent tags, so I'd go with the hypens, too.  But I'll hold off a bit to make sure there are no brilliant arguments for keeping a different tag." CreationDate="2010-08-18T19:23:41.910" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1125" PostId="715" Score="0" Text="Did it this way. This is the answer to accept IMO." CreationDate="2010-08-19T11:21:01.757" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1126" PostId="719" Score="3" Text="I think these are not so productive and will lead to lots of 'noise'.  However, rephrased 'What to consider when choosing a VPS provider' might lead to more productive results." CreationDate="2009-05-27T12:23:36.640" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="1139" PostId="719" Score="0" Text="The selection of a host is primarily a business decision, although it should go without saying that IT should have serious input into that decision. I see hosting as little more an IT matter than choosing a car to drive to and from work. OTOH, I agree with Kyle's comment." CreationDate="2010-08-19T22:23:45.037" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1197" PostId="719" Score="1" Text="Instead of having people to ask about it, make a nice FAQ with list of known and most used hosts that will serve in general by everyone and has a majority votes (by majority votes i mean the hosts that have most recommendations instead of spamming unknown and any kinda of host company) by the head users of SF Meta. Divided in sections such as VPS, CLOUD, HOSTING, DEDICATED, CO-LOCATION, etc." CreationDate="2010-08-29T16:46:12.460" UserId="45278" />
  <row Id="1127" PostId="720" Score="4" Text="These are sometimes very useful from an administrators point of view, but usually only from the personal server administration, rather than the work server administration. Still valid, IMO, but should be community wiki rather than reputation earning questions, since it's essentially a poll." CreationDate="2009-05-27T09:41:43.820" UserDisplayName="Andy" />
  <row Id="1128" PostId="720" Score="0" Text="Slicehost was recommended to me and I use it at work - we don't necessarily want everything hosted in-house." CreationDate="2009-05-27T12:53:59.613" UserDisplayName="ceejayoz" />
  <row Id="1129" PostId="720" Score="1" Text="Agree with Kyle's comment on the NO side .. I like discussions around criteria and considerations and don't want to see bunches of &quot;xyz is great!&quot; nonsense." CreationDate="2009-06-09T21:33:20.707" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="1130" PostId="721" Score="8" Text="This should be community wiki." CreationDate="2009-05-05T16:38:30.163" UserDisplayName="Adam Gibbins" />
  <row Id="1131" PostId="721" Score="1" Text="This seems so far to be a linguistic question.  Or are you just saying that &quot;IT&quot; is perhaps a poor choice of words in the FAQ?  ;)  (which may be true)" CreationDate="2009-05-22T17:43:08.863" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1132" PostId="722" Score="0" Text="That seems to be about the size of it, but I am sure there is attempted creep into other areas.. &quot;can you hang this picture for me&quot; is a recent favourite :)" CreationDate="2009-06-09T16:15:32.733" UserDisplayName="Tom Newton" />
  <row Id="1133" PostId="723" Score="0" Text="Reminds me of the use of the word, &quot;diet,&quot; which has a couple different meanings and one tends to be the default." CreationDate="2009-05-28T14:33:31.830" UserDisplayName="JB King" />
  <row Id="1134" PostId="723" Score="2" Text="Well, &quot;hackers&quot; in the old ages ment people who chopped down trees." CreationDate="2009-05-28T15:11:27.420" UserDisplayName="ldigas" />
  <row Id="1135" PostId="723" Score="0" Text="So a development department isn't part of the &quot;IT Department&quot;? Strange. I've never worked at or heard of a company that has a group of developers (or even just one developer) that wasn't considered part of the IT department either by the IT Dept. itself or users outside of the IT department." CreationDate="2009-07-15T01:25:20.633" UserDisplayName="Wesley 'Nonapeptide'" />
  <row Id="1136" PostId="723" Score="1" Text="Also cultural. For some IT means the systems and their management. Software development means creating new bugs to annoy the users. For me, software developers are users of IT but are not in themselves a part of IT, much like an author is not part of the printing industry." CreationDate="2009-07-30T22:27:33.727" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1140" PostId="723" Score="0" Text="Well when people at the average firm &quot;call IT&quot; they call the public face of the IT department, which will usually be the helpdesk." CreationDate="2010-08-19T22:23:58.047" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1166" PostId="737" Score="0" Text="Of course that's of very limited use to those who work in different timezones." CreationDate="2010-08-25T04:55:49.973" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1168" PostId="737" Score="1" Text="@John Gardeniers: Pfft... only if you *sleep*..." CreationDate="2010-08-25T13:05:13.790" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="1280" PostId="737" Score="0" Text="@john but the chat room is stateful, so assuming there aren't thousands of messages per hour (depends on the room) hopefully people will be scrolling back and checking to answer." CreationDate="2010-09-05T22:04:22.723" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1146" PostId="739" Score="1" Text="Arguing about your bans is not helping you at all.  If you are really interested in learning then don't start with an accusation like 'moderators abusing rules'." CreationDate="2010-08-23T17:22:50.523" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1148" PostId="739" Score="0" Text="I am not arguing. I am just really bewildered what you are up to with it?" CreationDate="2010-08-23T17:29:06.970" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1150" PostId="739" Score="3" Text="your tone is consistently accusatory. Zoredache isn't even a moderator, yet you just specifically called him out with &quot;what *you* are up to&quot;. It's become extraordinarily obvious you have plenty of learning to do, but you rarely approach these opportunities with an open mind/attitude. We don't take issue with what you say nearly as much as how you say it." CreationDate="2010-08-23T18:39:59.817" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1154" PostId="739" Score="0" Text="@Chris S, not being moderator did not stop Zoredache from closing and delete quite a lot of my posts. If she does not have any influence on things then why to interfere at all?" CreationDate="2010-08-23T22:43:03.990" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1155" PostId="739" Score="1" Text="He cannot close or delete anything by himself. Closing requires 5 non-moderator votes from users over 3000 rep and deleting closed questions takes 5 non-moderator votes from users over 10,000 rep." CreationDate="2010-08-23T23:13:10.967" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1147" PostId="740" Score="0" Text="I asked about new bans from 08/22 and you are telling me about Email from 08/13. I insist that there was not a single Email with warning or notification about new bans and extension of old ones." CreationDate="2010-08-23T17:27:51.943" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1149" PostId="740" Score="0" Text="Even more, my Email to team@xxxx.com had not got a single answer. BTW, I had no discussions AT ALL in SO, why the ban for month duration there?" CreationDate="2010-08-23T17:33:34.177" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1151" PostId="740" Score="2" Text="@vgv8, you'll have to ask the SO team about the ban there; the sites have separate moderators." CreationDate="2010-08-23T18:41:49.253" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1153" PostId="740" Score="0" Text="@Chris_S, how to ask if I am banned from MSO and team@stackoverflow.com had never responded even once. I have feeling that it is a black hole dump Email." CreationDate="2010-08-23T22:38:41.490" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1156" PostId="740" Score="0" Text="@vgv8 - Perhaps you should take the hint?" CreationDate="2010-08-24T00:36:19.737" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1162" PostId="740" Score="0" Text="@vgv8 team@stackoverflow is most certainly not a black hole.  I've received a reply to each message that I've sent over to them, usually within an hour or two of sending.  Your account is not (currently) suspended on MSO.  You can post there, but I highly recommend keeping it to an email with the team at this point.  If you have not received a response then try again, and be civil in your communication with them." CreationDate="2010-08-24T21:25:47.340" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1180" PostId="740" Score="0" Text="@squillman, And I do not have any response from team@stackoverflow in 3 weeks. I had never been notifies about new suspensions. I" CreationDate="2010-08-26T07:36:36.447" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1157" PostId="743" Score="1" Text="Dude is trolling. Leave him be." CreationDate="2010-08-24T11:13:12.693" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1178" PostId="743" Score="0" Text="Not a very good troll then" CreationDate="2010-08-26T04:39:18.643" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1181" PostId="743" Score="0" Text="I am IT professional with 25 yrs of exp who manage and maintain computers in professional capacity" CreationDate="2010-08-26T07:40:22.907" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1182" PostId="743" Score="0" Text="coming from your hijacking comments in http://serverfault.com/questions/174196/workgroup-windows-users-or-groups-can-use-domain-accounts-but-not-vice-versa. How did you determine that I did not read up before posting? Give me your Email and I send you my online transcripts and credentials" CreationDate="2010-08-26T07:52:37.433" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1163" PostId="745" Score="1" Text="Working for a shoe-string department with no training/conference budget (first over the side when the budget cuts arrived) means I don't know diddly about what the good conferences are." CreationDate="2010-08-24T21:33:44.433" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1164" PostId="745" Score="0" Text="I sympathize.  I've been having to focus more on local events myself over the past couple years." CreationDate="2010-08-24T21:43:27.267" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1165" PostId="745" Score="0" Text="What part of the world are you asking about? I think you may have forgotten that this is a global web site." CreationDate="2010-08-25T04:53:53.293" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1170" PostId="745" Score="0" Text="If you have a conference in Australia to recommend that is of the appropriate level of significance within our profession, I am certain that it would be worth considering as well, John.  People travel all over the world for notable events." CreationDate="2010-08-25T13:19:06.367" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1177" PostId="745" Score="0" Text="Yeah well, I'm not actually aware of such an event in Australia. At least not one I'd travel more than a 100Km to attend." CreationDate="2010-08-26T02:55:04.400" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1187" PostId="745" Score="0" Text="@John @Warner - maybe this is an oppertunity to start one? I wouldn't mind spending a weekend at Noosa ;) (Or perhaps somewhere more affordable, if we must)." CreationDate="2010-08-27T02:20:33.620" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1225" PostId="745" Score="0" Text="@Farseeker, other than the Sage-AU conference (in Hobart this year) what else is there?" CreationDate="2010-08-31T00:34:04.973" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1227" PostId="745" Score="0" Text="@John - no idea, when I started this job I was promised the oppertunity to go to conferences and courses to brush up on my skills but 5 years later the job interview was the only time it was mentioned ;)" CreationDate="2010-08-31T01:58:44.997" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1172" PostId="750" Score="1" Text="I think you are overestimating how far Server Fault has proliferated.  More professionals than not I speak to are unaware of it and I think the average skill level demonstrated on the site speaks to this as well.  I am sorry that you are offended, as that was certainly not my intent." CreationDate="2010-08-25T13:22:49.027" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1167" PostId="752" Score="4" Text="as long as they're *aware* of it, I think that's the goal -- whether they like it or not isn't really up to us. Awareness is where it's at." CreationDate="2010-08-25T07:53:48.493" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1171" PostId="753" Score="2" Text="I think you're confusing the methods with spam.  It is more analogous to networking." CreationDate="2010-08-25T13:20:41.793" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1173" PostId="754" Score="0" Text="Totally a good idea.  I'd mentioned SF to some people on a channel there a couple months ago, they seemed to be interested.  Could you do the same in channels you participate in when the opportunity arises?" CreationDate="2010-08-25T17:27:37.140" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1196" PostId="754" Score="0" Text="unhappyly it seems from my attempts only people that were still learning or looking for help came thru ehehe ... but i will keep tryingto some extent." CreationDate="2010-08-29T16:42:16.090" UserId="45278" />
  <row Id="1174" PostId="755" Score="1" Text="Very cool.  We'll definitely have to meet up!" CreationDate="2010-08-25T18:10:15.413" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1175" PostId="755" Score="0" Text="I'll be the guy in the black Server Fault t-shirt... &gt;smile&lt;  Yeah-- I look forward to meeting you. (I don't actually look like a unicorn. It occurs to me that my real picture hasn't been on the site since April. I should probably remedy that sometime.)" CreationDate="2010-08-25T18:44:53.470" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="1179" PostId="756" Score="0" Text="See [What is a “closed” question?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10582/what-is-a-closed-question)" CreationDate="2010-08-26T06:21:22.360" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1185" PostId="756" Score="0" Text="As @Zoredache states in his answer locking or deleting would be the way to go.  I think this particular question is beyond locking.  It's a big enough mess that I'd vote to completely torch it." CreationDate="2010-08-26T12:43:48.290" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1184" PostId="757" Score="1" Text="Some people can be taught. Others can learn on their own. This one absolutely excels at being neither. :(" CreationDate="2010-08-26T10:20:49.690" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1186" PostId="757" Score="0" Text="@John - he's still at it: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/742/why-was-the-question-on-dev-server-setup-moved-to-su/743#743" CreationDate="2010-08-26T23:20:24.620" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1183" PostId="758" Score="3" Text="OK, in the context of any other user I suppose that makes sense." CreationDate="2010-08-26T10:17:56.647" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1188" PostId="759" Score="0" Text="Can you post a screenshot?" CreationDate="2010-08-27T09:05:17.510" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1189" PostId="759" Score="3" Text="At that point, I just scroll down... I see a scroll bar on the right..." CreationDate="2010-08-27T13:35:25.327" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1190" PostId="759" Score="1" Text="Hundreds of posts? I see 25 questions and 36 answers as of this writing. That looks like &lt; 100 to me. You may very well have hundreds of edits - but this is partially where your downvotes come from. You consider an edit to a post a new post, when really edits were never intended to add content, but rather to add clarity and fix typographical errors." CreationDate="2010-08-27T14:24:59.690" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1232" PostId="759" Score="1" Text="it's a problem when an &quot;IT professional&quot; such as yourself doesn't even comprehend the concept of scrollbars." CreationDate="2010-08-31T07:55:21.210" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1191" PostId="760" Score="0" Text="That's often what I do, use an external editor.  I didn't really think about it until you mentioned it." CreationDate="2010-08-27T16:34:59.797" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1194" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="How does the troll tag not have a wiki entry?" CreationDate="2010-08-29T12:24:29.470" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1195" PostId="765" Score="1" Text="@MarkM - what would the text say? Simply **vgv8**? :-)" CreationDate="2010-08-29T12:26:23.447" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="1198" PostId="765" Score="5" Text="I'm a little uncomfortable with this - isn't the definition of a troll subjective? And couldn't someone determined to troll a site just register a few sockpuppets and carry on? &#xA;&#xA;It's clear that they disagree with the way the site is run in some areas, and their kicking against those boundaries annoys us but does that make them nothing but a troll." CreationDate="2010-08-29T16:54:25.790" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1199" PostId="765" Score="3" Text="OK, the word troll aside - vgv8 is still irritating a LOT of people, generating a lot of moderator flags, not contributing anything beneficial to the site and being a general nuisance - all after being warned about his behaviour, and suspended twice. I'd go as far as IP banning him (provided he isn't on some ISP using DHCP). At the end of the day, call him a troll, call him something else - it all boils down to him being a pain in the ass." CreationDate="2010-08-29T17:30:15.677" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="1200" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="@Ben: Are you saying that [pain-in-the-ass] should be a tag synonym for [troll] or vice-versa?" CreationDate="2010-08-29T18:35:58.880" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1201" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="@Robert - He has made sockpuppets. Those have been banned as well." CreationDate="2010-08-29T19:08:10.200" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1203" PostId="765" Score="2" Text="Sure, &quot;troll&quot; and &quot;trolling&quot; are somewhat subjective, but I think most would agree that someone is trolling when the main intent of their post is to get a reaction.  They might be being deliberately obtuse, or posting stuff they know is bogus, and a number of other things would qualify.  We could debate which posts of vgvh's are examples of which type of &quot;trying to get a reaction,&quot; but I think there's a clear pattern of posting things that don't make sense unless the goal is to get a reaction." CreationDate="2010-08-29T19:53:52.257" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1204" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="@Mark - Oh I know about the sockpuppets. Kinda makes the point about whether or not a ban is worthwhile doesn't it? The guy has problems, there's no doubt about that. The question I'm leading up to is whether or not he's so poisoned the well that we're unwilling to give him a chance and see everything he does through that lens. Totally his own fault, I agree, but that path leads to the site being dominated by cliques." CreationDate="2010-08-29T21:29:09.503" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1205" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="Ward, I've been quite active in down voting and voting to close poor questions from this person. I'm not defending their posts as much as I am wondering two things. See my reply to Mark for the first rather than me repeating myself, and for the second... how do you deal with a determined troll? Would a ban solve the issue?" CreationDate="2010-08-29T21:32:39.843" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1206" PostId="765" Score="5" Text="My question to everyone is this - are you monitoring his account and downvoting everything he posts? If so, then that's also an abuse of the system as well (following someone for the express purpose of up/down voting their answers), so be careful where you tread." CreationDate="2010-08-29T21:34:10.607" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1207" PostId="765" Score="1" Text="@Robert - Well, he is working on his second ban here, and is currently serving a 30-day over at SU and MSU as well as having previously served a ban at MSO. He's been boxed on every site and hasn't learned and is now on his second ban." CreationDate="2010-08-29T21:38:00.473" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1208" PostId="765" Score="1" Text="He's banned until Oct 13 on SF and MSF." CreationDate="2010-08-29T23:06:14.667" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1226" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="It's worth noting that anyone systematically downvoting ANY user is wasting their time, as the system will detect that behaviour and automatically and quietly reverse such votes. I don't know if the same applies to close votes though." CreationDate="2010-08-31T00:52:12.853" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1228" PostId="765" Score="1" Text="@John and @Farseeker - I don't think the issue is that anyone is following him to downvote, but the number of edits he makes causes his questions and answers to be on the front page a lot. Many of his questions would receive 1 or 2 downvotes if they were from any other user, as most of us would look at it and feel like the people that voted before us took care of it and we would quietly move on. With vgv8, the problem is that his questions are always very visible and his confrontational attitude is one that causes people to &quot;pile on&quot; with the downvotes when they might normally just move on." CreationDate="2010-08-31T02:09:48.547" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1230" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="Addendum: I can't believe the [troll] tag has stuck around this long. Someone please wiki. Anyone? Bueller?" CreationDate="2010-08-31T03:25:34.383" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1233" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="FYI - he is banned on MSO until February now" CreationDate="2010-08-31T11:53:21.203" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1240" PostId="765" Score="1" Text="Which looks like is a result of this: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/62743/when-my-account-is-suspended-and-im-addressed-in-a-comment-please-notify-the-us swim with the big sharks, get eaten." CreationDate="2010-08-31T20:30:16.663" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1247" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="Based on that it looks like pizdets is vgv8's latest user name." CreationDate="2010-09-01T11:24:44.667" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1250" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="And pizdets got the ban-hammer too." CreationDate="2010-09-01T16:00:14.800" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1258" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="@sys - Unless I am mistaken, that translates to &quot;pussies.&quot; Can we start agreeing that he *is* actually trolling?" CreationDate="2010-09-01T22:55:23.017" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1259" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 - he was banned from MSO after a confrontational post that's since been deleted. I think 6 months is a bit harsh, but hey, I don't make the rules." CreationDate="2010-09-01T23:07:54.727" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1260" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="@Farseeker, considering the number of times he's been banned already; and has defied those bans through sock-puppets; escalating the time frame to 6 months seems appropriate." CreationDate="2010-09-02T00:21:14.710" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1262" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="@Chris - I wasn't aware he was making sockpuppets till I read his post below. 6 months sound quite fair now." CreationDate="2010-09-02T05:11:55.423" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1265" PostId="765" Score="1" Text="Yeeeeaaaaah. He's crossed the line into &quot;stick around to annoy the crap out of us&quot; territory. a.k.a. Trolling." CreationDate="2010-09-02T16:57:54.770" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1266" PostId="765" Score="0" Text="Ok, I'll say he's crossing the line into trolling territory now. I agreed with the whole of sysadmin1138's post below as to where I think he's coming from but it's clear that VGV8 doesn't react in a constructive way to criticism. There comes a point where you have to cut your losses with someone." CreationDate="2010-09-02T19:19:08.197" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1209" PostId="769" Score="6" Text="If we cater to abusive users, irrespective of what you want to call their behavior, we're degrading the quality of the site as a whole.  I see no reason to attempt to justify their behavior, as they are not providing a positive contribution to the site.  There is no need for this to be a contentious subject.  A 5% positive contribution does not negate the other 95%." CreationDate="2010-08-29T23:09:07.387" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1210" PostId="769" Score="0" Text="@Warner - you don't have to cater to him if you don't want to. Just ignore him. I'm actually a tad annoyed because he allegedly had an answer to a long-outstanding question I have on SF and now I'll never know what it was. Of course, he could have just been pulling my tail but I'm trusting like that." CreationDate="2010-08-30T00:13:17.063" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1211" PostId="769" Score="0" Text="Even if they're not always trolling, someone who - like vgv8 - is willing to spend the time it takes them to argue with everyone is a big distraction." CreationDate="2010-08-30T00:15:17.147" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1212" PostId="769" Score="3" Text="In addendum, I really, really don't want this place (Meta, that is) to be like MSO when I first started participating there. I felt like an outsider, that nobody gave a shit and they were all running around in their own private space and refused to acknowledge outsiders. It's different there now, but I die a little bit inside each time I see something like that happen here." CreationDate="2010-08-30T00:15:19.443" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1213" PostId="769" Score="1" Text="I did ignore him for the most part.  Again, his behavior does not justify his continued presence.  I think you're getting off track here.  Everyone's not entitled to participate." CreationDate="2010-08-30T00:21:06.427" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1214" PostId="769" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. My point was that I don't believe he's being deliberately malicious, and I don't believe he's trolling, because if he is he's the most advanced version of a troll I've ever seen. I believe his behaviour is mostly innocent, and thus deserves more than once chance. This site is totally different to any other forum on the intertron so it might take a while for new users to wrap their head around. Hell, I've even chastised him myself. But I don't believe anything he's done is in malice and thus doesn't deserve a lifelong ban (yet)." CreationDate="2010-08-30T00:24:38.640" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1215" PostId="769" Score="0" Text="You're entitled to your opinion and I respect it.  In this case, I disagree.  Hopefully if he returns on Oct 13, he demonstrates behavior deserving of your understanding." CreationDate="2010-08-30T00:27:21.380" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1216" PostId="769" Score="0" Text="@Warner - I hope he does too. I'm inclined to agree with what you didn't say, and that is that he probably won't. But let's wait and see. If he continues like this on his third chance, **then** I will agree with you." CreationDate="2010-08-30T00:30:07.443" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1217" PostId="769" Score="3" Text="Not everyone can ignore him though. His answers are generally full of inaccurate info which could be harmful to users that are used to this site containing useful and generally responsible answers. A single downvote seems to send him into a tirade, nevermind explaining why." CreationDate="2010-08-30T02:46:21.170" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1218" PostId="769" Score="0" Text="@MarkM - there's two distinct issues in your comment: 1) Bad answers. These are already taken care of with downvotes by the community. Nothing to be done here. 2) Emotional responses to said downvotes. This is part of the reason why he's in the sinbin I'm guessing, so let's see if his attitude changes in the future." CreationDate="2010-08-30T03:49:13.650" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1221" PostId="769" Score="0" Text="@Farseeker - Not really, it's one problem, since with him they are bundled together. You're right that with a normal user these are two separate problems. Part of SF is trying to explain to people where they are wrong so that they can have a better understanding going forward, or at the very least so that the OP understands why a specific answer is wrong. This is impossible to do with vgv8, due to his attitude. This can lead down two roads - 1)No one responds to him and the OP thinks his advice is correct. 2)People respond to him and he starts a verbal battle." CreationDate="2010-08-30T12:49:29.247" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1219" PostId="770" Score="5" Text="I think the main problem I have is not whether he is trolling, it is the fact that he will best plain wrong answers, but when corrected will react angrily to this, if he would admit he is wrong and take it graciously, and be willing to learn then I would have a lot more time for him." CreationDate="2010-08-30T08:26:16.597" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1220" PostId="770" Score="0" Text="@sam I completely agree" CreationDate="2010-08-30T11:50:01.837" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1222" PostId="770" Score="0" Text="I hate the idea of locking someone out of the site.  But it's a better option than driving away multiple people with incorrect information and unexplainable rage.  Sometimes the cost is just too high." CreationDate="2010-08-30T17:16:11.073" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1224" PostId="770" Score="0" Text="@Kara completely agree there as well.  I hate creating the air of exclusivity that comes with suspension, even timed suspensions.  But like you hint at, there is still the fact that the community has a standard of acceptable behavior." CreationDate="2010-08-30T22:18:35.540" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1223" PostId="773" Score="4" Text="I think the point was, if you call yourself a professional you should know that Windows includes some downgrade rights (and where to look up the details). And the really tricky questions are likely to be of no value to 99.99% of people coming to the site because the details are too specific to the person asking the question. Most licensing questions come from people who should be asking their Technical Support (vendor, internal staff, or consultant)." CreationDate="2010-08-30T20:30:46.077" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1234" PostId="773" Score="3" Text="While I agree, this argument is getting close to the realm of &quot;I can Google that in 2 minutes&quot;. I've spent hours pouring over licensing documents from Microsoft because no one else at my job would. Sometimes even finding the answer to a simple question can be difficult when faced with the pages of documentation Microsoft has on it. We're not dealing with only the seasoned vets of the licensing world here, a lot of SF users will be seeing it for the first time. It's complex stuff and I don't mind helping people with the easier aspects of it." CreationDate="2010-08-31T15:05:58.397" UserId="5257" />
  <row Id="1242" PostId="773" Score="1" Text="why are you pouring through those documents? You should be contacting one of the Microsoft licensing partners for that. They have the expertise you and I cannot be expected to have in such a complex and often localised area. That's the whole point we're trying to make here." CreationDate="2010-08-31T21:39:43.433" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1253" PostId="773" Score="1" Text="Maybe it's just my corporate structure where I work then. I work for the government and as far as I can tell there isn't one place where I've been able to go for this info. I had to figure it out for myself. People come and ask me stuff about it now. It's annoying but that's just how it played out at my job. I still think that not all licensing questions are as localized as people here are implying. There's some very quick and dirty licensing questions that can be applied almost anywhere. The rest should go to the vendor." CreationDate="2010-09-01T16:45:47.397" UserId="5257" />
  <row Id="4218" PostId="773" Score="1" Text="+1 for `More importantly, as a server administrator, knowing the licensing rules may be a large part of your job`. Indeed, it's worth noting that there is actually a Microsoft course/qualification specifically for administrators who are responsible for such matters." CreationDate="2011-12-16T08:27:33.820" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="2200" PostId="774" Score="0" Text="now that six more months have come and gone I hope you know that this user has terrorized the network up and down. I'm sure, at 11.9k, that you do." CreationDate="2011-03-14T22:51:52.970" UserId="12936" />
  <row Id="2201" PostId="774" Score="0" Text="@drachenstern, and your point is?" CreationDate="2011-03-14T23:43:54.493" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2202" PostId="774" Score="0" Text="~ I believe networkwide ban was the consensus after that. Additionally, he got himself banned on twitter." CreationDate="2011-03-14T23:47:45.287" UserId="12936" />
  <row Id="1235" PostId="775" Score="0" Text="I see Zoredache has made the synonym requests. Time to start voting." CreationDate="2010-08-31T16:39:31.107" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1238" PostId="776" Score="3" Text="There are now zero using `mysqladministrator`.  I'm stuck on hold with a vendor's support rep..." CreationDate="2010-08-31T19:43:16.637" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1239" PostId="776" Score="0" Text="Thanks!  Looks like you took care of them both." CreationDate="2010-08-31T20:23:41.473" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1241" PostId="776" Score="0" Text="Not a problem, I was bored. Back on hold... ..ugh. :)" CreationDate="2010-08-31T20:42:45.237" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1237" PostId="777" Score="0" Text="Go Vote People!" CreationDate="2010-08-31T18:58:21.923" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1251" PostId="777" Score="0" Text="Done gone in an' voted." CreationDate="2010-09-01T16:16:31.890" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1243" PostId="779" Score="0" Text="mysql and mysqld are largely synonymous  in the context of the tag for all intents and purpose.  I do not see the value in separating them.  mysqladministrator tagged questions were all over the board and not pertaining mysqladmin." CreationDate="2010-09-01T01:35:08.723" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1244" PostId="779" Score="1" Text="Having a tag for every potential binary with UNIX software will have little benefit in most cases." CreationDate="2010-09-01T01:43:26.417" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1245" PostId="779" Score="0" Text="I appreciate your concern. I believe [mysqld] is synonymous with [mysql] and also [mysql-server].  The management interface tool &quot;MySQL Administrator&quot; has been EOL since 2009-12-18.  The replacement is known as &quot;Database Administrator&quot;.  Perhaps a tag for the management suite that is more appropriate? [mysql-workbench]?" CreationDate="2010-09-01T01:51:17.990" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1248" PostId="781" Score="0" Text="Going over various posts I'm starting to think vgv8/pizdets is more than one person. Some posts are in fairly good English, whereas others are little more than gibberish. I'm wondering whether it's a group of people, only some of who can speak reasonable English, working together to make a nuisance of themselves just for kicks. In the meantime these sites suffer." CreationDate="2010-09-01T11:32:47.650" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1249" PostId="781" Score="0" Text="He's also bitching about the trilogy on other forums - if you Google for Vgv8, you'll see he has hit a bunch of MSDN groups asking questions, with links to the same question on SO/SF where he didn't get answers that he liked." CreationDate="2010-09-01T15:47:41.077" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="1264" PostId="781" Score="0" Text="@mfinni, it must be difficult for one perfect individual to have to live on the same planet as the rest of us. ;)" CreationDate="2010-09-02T05:49:10.583" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1269" PostId="783" Score="0" Text=";-) I hadn't even noticed it till reading this. +1 to FAQ" CreationDate="2010-09-03T08:50:03.363" UserId="35383" />
  <row Id="1252" PostId="784" Score="0" Text="Another place it is commonly used is Chrome/Firefox bookmarks." CreationDate="2010-09-01T16:30:57.513" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1254" PostId="786" Score="0" Text="Synonym needs 2 more votes: http://serverfault.com/tags/f5-big-ip/synonyms" CreationDate="2010-09-01T20:18:12.940" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1257" PostId="787" Score="0" Text="I agree, I think I may have even proposed or upvoted that synonym.  I remember thinking that it probably should have been the other way around." CreationDate="2010-09-01T22:02:54.483" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1273" PostId="787" Score="0" Text="Reversed the apt /apt-get synonym, but I'll leave the other apt synonym variations to you pros in the area." CreationDate="2010-09-03T21:53:16.060" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1263" PostId="789" Score="5" Text="After separation perhaps mac should become mac-address to eliminate confusion." CreationDate="2010-09-02T05:45:49.610" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1274" PostId="789" Score="1" Text="Now we just need a feature to black-hole a tag (the way [subjective] was perma-killed) so people are forced to use, say, mac-address or mac-os... Or did that go in and I was snoozing that day?" CreationDate="2010-09-03T21:59:02.167" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1268" PostId="792" Score="1" Text="Haha beat you by 18 seconds. Your answer was better though." CreationDate="2010-09-03T05:05:08.090" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1270" PostId="793" Score="1" Text="I think you're asking about the [tag synonym feature](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2779/could-the-tagging-system-be-enhanced-to-support-tag-synonyms). Most of the SE engine functionality discussion takes place on [MSO](http://meta.stackoverflow.com).  These features eventually trickle-down to the other SE sites." CreationDate="2010-09-03T15:18:46.707" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1275" PostId="793" Score="0" Text="Not sure why you got -1. Maybe someone thinks your answer should have been a comment?" CreationDate="2010-09-03T22:58:21.437" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1276" PostId="793" Score="0" Text="@jscott Thank you for the insight and input.  I'll take a look at those references.  I have been in both metas but lost track of which one I was in." CreationDate="2010-09-04T23:41:55.093" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1285" PostId="795" Score="0" Text="I agree with your interpretation of the FAQ, however it seems that others interpret it to mean questions that a SysAdmin would ask in the course of their job (which generally precludes job-hunting)(just making an observation). The question does lean toward discussion however, rather than Q&amp;A. It's a fuzzy line sometimes." CreationDate="2010-09-07T14:53:11.953" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1277" PostId="796" Score="0" Text="http://careeroverflow.com/ -- the site was started with the original model." CreationDate="2010-09-05T03:16:34.483" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1282" PostId="796" Score="0" Text="Ha!  Thanks, I should've known.  :)" CreationDate="2010-09-06T12:53:41.333" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1279" PostId="797" Score="0" Text="I think you're dramatically oversimplifying. There are things that are unique to system administration that can be communicated in a resume format. Furthermore, telecommuting seems like on topic... http://serverfault.com/search?q=telecommute" CreationDate="2010-09-05T21:55:38.473" UserId="919" />
  <row Id="1284" PostId="797" Score="2" Text="I think what John is trying to say is that it's not part of your &quot;daily job&quot;, and is very open to discussion; where this site is more specifically aimed at Q&amp;A, not discussions." CreationDate="2010-09-07T14:34:04.073" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1291" PostId="798" Score="0" Text="It is still possible to hotlink external images, you just have to write the Markdown yourself rather than using the button for it." CreationDate="2010-09-10T14:31:03.357" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1294" PostId="798" Score="0" Text="Odd, I don't receive that error on v6.0.472.55 for Windows.  What are you security settings at?" CreationDate="2010-09-15T12:08:59.710" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1312" PostId="798" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo I think that's because @splattne replaced them (see his answer below)" CreationDate="2010-09-19T18:57:52.933" UserId="24210" />
  <row Id="1281" PostId="800" Score="2" Text="See http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/63407/intermittent-offline-messages, though that was a couple of days ago now." CreationDate="2010-09-06T11:32:57.707" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="1283" PostId="800" Score="0" Text="Maybe it *was* a stack overflow? ;-)" CreationDate="2010-09-06T14:32:30.483" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1287" PostId="800" Score="0" Text="See ChrisF's comment; they're testing new caching software and it hasn't been setup to give different Offline Messages for the various SE sites yet (or it hadn't at the time anyway)." CreationDate="2010-09-07T15:35:14.230" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1292" PostId="804" Score="0" Text="My guess is it was from Paul Randal.  He use to run the dev team for the storage engine.  I'll look and see if I can find it.  Have a look through Paul's blog, though.  Tons of good stuff there including why it's bad news to truncate a log file.  http://sqlskills.com/blogs/paul" CreationDate="2010-09-13T04:14:18.207" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1293" PostId="805" Score="0" Text="Got it - it was http://serverfault.com/questions/12793/how-do-i-reduce-transaction-log-backup-size-after-a-full-backup/13088#13088 - thanks" CreationDate="2010-09-13T11:52:49.477" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1313" PostId="806" Score="0" Text="Yup, I agree with that." CreationDate="2010-09-19T18:58:57.473" UserId="24210" />
  <row Id="1295" PostId="807" Score="0" Text="Yes, although i'm kinda getting used to it now ..." CreationDate="2010-09-16T05:10:36.463" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1296" PostId="807" Score="0" Text="Yes. Really not sure why it wasn't made dismissible as with the FAQ banner/badge-notication in the first place." CreationDate="2010-09-16T10:41:57.113" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1302" PostId="807" Score="1" Text="@Warner: Nope, not from what I can see...  At least not from Chrome and FF." CreationDate="2010-09-17T01:14:36.990" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1306" PostId="807" Score="0" Text="I put my bit in on MSO." CreationDate="2010-09-17T03:59:24.200" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1309" PostId="807" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin: thanks, I also edited that question again to bump it.  We'll see.  I might go the bounty route over there soon just to get it some more attention." CreationDate="2010-09-17T14:37:15.860" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1333" PostId="807" Score="0" Text="I came here to say this." CreationDate="2010-09-21T20:13:39.017" UserId="5246" />
  <row Id="6941" PostId="807" Score="0" Text="The system notification bar is no more." CreationDate="2012-09-19T11:42:10.703" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6956" PostId="807" Score="1" Text="Until someone gets the idea of bringing it back to show us some more unnecessary crap." CreationDate="2012-09-20T06:45:58.177" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1299" PostId="808" Score="6" Text="+1 - I hate how its rendered on $document.ready() rather than being rendered in-line with everything else." CreationDate="2010-09-16T21:35:14.313" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1303" PostId="808" Score="0" Text="@Farseeker: yeah, I suggested on MSO that they put it in the view code instead of using jQuery for it.  That would make it so that the layout doesn't bounce around." CreationDate="2010-09-17T01:15:17.883" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1300" PostId="809" Score="3" Text="I can understand why it's there for things that are actually *important*, but most important things don't stay there for &gt; 24 hours. Chat != important." CreationDate="2010-09-16T21:36:23.050" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1304" PostId="809" Score="0" Text="@Farseeker, my sentiments exactly. I wonder how much value is added to the site by a feature that just pisses people off. Seems a bit counter-intuitive to me." CreationDate="2010-09-17T02:22:33.113" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1297" PostId="810" Score="0" Text="Nice.  But no love for Chrome :(" CreationDate="2010-09-16T17:39:52.070" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1298" PostId="810" Score="0" Text="Feel the love for chrome" CreationDate="2010-09-16T18:08:12.130" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="1305" PostId="810" Score="3" Text="Why should we have to customise our browsers to compensate for a poor site design? Isn't that completely missing the point? As for Chrome, the day might eventually come where it's an acceptable and stable browser - but that's still a long way off." CreationDate="2010-09-17T02:25:41.060" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1307" PostId="810" Score="0" Text="It's a work-around whist waiting for a patch." CreationDate="2010-09-17T07:11:10.650" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="1310" PostId="810" Score="2" Text="I don't want a patch or a workaround. I simply want that bar removed completely." CreationDate="2010-09-17T22:35:44.433" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1308" PostId="811" Score="0" Text="Thanks!  I've edited the MSO question again to bump it.  I'm going to put a kickin bounty on it soon if I don't get any more feedback.  Such a simple thing...." CreationDate="2010-09-17T14:36:09.223" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1311" PostId="811" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo, of all the information about SF that is NOT obvious to most users the chat would have to be about the least important. So what if someone dismisses the bar without reading about it? We work in a filed where this is the norm (e.g. who ever reads a EULA?)." CreationDate="2010-09-19T00:07:35.137" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1318" PostId="811" Score="0" Text="@John Gardeniers, I'm sorry, but I can't be in the business of spoon-feeding information to everyone.  The core audience, I think, will either not care about &quot;what did that say&quot;, will read an unusual notification before clicking a 'dismiss' button, and knows where to discover information.  Sure there are plenty of 'click first, ask questions later' types, but you honestly cannot cater to everyone, and right now, that blazing blue banner (in SF) seems to be annoying the core of that community." CreationDate="2010-09-20T12:14:01.653" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1322" PostId="811" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo, from reading your answer I get the impression you are defending that blue bar, yet in your comment you appear to be under the impression that I am in favour of it, which you will notice from my previous answer I most certainly am not. Either one or both of us are mistaken." CreationDate="2010-09-21T00:43:45.233" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1326" PostId="811" Score="0" Text="@John Gardeniers I am in favor of a dismissable notifications bar.  My alternative to those who would want to look up what was announced is a notifications page.  I fixed the formatting of my quoteblock to hopefully reflect that it contains a sub-quote.  I have reread your earlier comment and I think we've suffered from hearing different things from read text.  I read the second sentence as &quot;So, what if someone dismisses...&quot; to mean 'how do we cater to someone who dismisses it', where now I think you are saying &quot;So What&quot; as in &quot;Who cares if they dismiss it&quot;." CreationDate="2010-09-21T12:15:39.857" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1327" PostId="811" Score="0" Text="@John Gardeniers I'd also read the last sentence to imply that despite people not reading our carefully worded missives and warnings, we still catch flack when they break things that we'd warned about.  Thus, we have to cater to the lowest-common-denominator...  Thanks for clarifying; I think we're on the same page!  DOWN WITH NOTIFICATION BAR!!!" CreationDate="2010-09-21T12:16:59.277" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1316" PostId="813" Score="0" Text="Three problems come immediately to mind. 1 - x64 is technically incorrect anyway, as it was fabricated to appear as a continuation of x32, which is also invalid, etc. and should be actively discouraged. 2 - The number of tags is growing to the point where they are becoming useless for searching simply because it's hard to know which of several possibilities might apply. 3 - &quot;Crosstagging&quot; is hard or useless when there is only a 5 tag limit. It would be far better to use appropriate tags, rather than multiple ones saying the same thing." CreationDate="2010-09-20T03:25:09.400" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1319" PostId="816" Score="0" Text="Nice find, but what a PITA." CreationDate="2010-09-20T19:58:30.523" UserId="8576" />
  <row Id="1321" PostId="818" Score="1" Text="It's moments like these I wish I was creative..." CreationDate="2010-09-21T00:16:15.933" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1323" PostId="818" Score="3" Text="How about &quot;[dismiss-system-notification-bar]&quot;?" CreationDate="2010-09-21T01:59:49.817" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1325" PostId="818" Score="0" Text="@squill - `[status-bydesign]`" CreationDate="2010-09-21T03:23:35.987" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1330" PostId="818" Score="1" Text="I did a small double-take when I saw the OP's name on this one." CreationDate="2010-09-21T16:37:11.767" UserId="10907" />
  <row Id="1343" PostId="818" Score="1" Text="You might find something involving ASCII or non-binary data more appealing to most of this crowd." CreationDate="2010-09-24T14:55:46.643" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1350" PostId="818" Score="0" Text="@Warner see my answer :-)" CreationDate="2010-09-25T17:35:13.343" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="1324" PostId="819" Score="0" Text="Not bad. Maybe it can print the optional text in binary lights?" CreationDate="2010-09-21T02:50:06.697" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1331" PostId="819" Score="1" Text="I was going to downvote until I saw &quot;(but more small single line icon-y)&quot;; I'm not sure how well a standalone small blinkenlight would work, though." CreationDate="2010-09-21T16:38:27.290" UserId="10907" />
  <row Id="1339" PostId="820" Score="0" Text="He's the Universe's way of balancing out people like me, who randomly wound up here from another SE site, and have zero questions, zero answers, and zero votes... (although I now have one *comment*...)." CreationDate="2010-09-23T15:07:00.657" UserId="54374" />
  <row Id="1328" PostId="821" Score="1" Text="I really like the idea of BBS era linenoise." CreationDate="2010-09-21T14:19:13.300" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1329" PostId="821" Score="1" Text="Nothing brings me back like a good fake NO CARRIER, or a long string of ^H^H^H^H^H^H." CreationDate="2010-09-21T15:41:07.437" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1332" PostId="821" Score="1" Text="This is funny, but probably too disruptive to implement. (Not too technically challenging to implement, mind you; I just think a lot of people would abuse it and cause everyone else to leave chat in frustration.)" CreationDate="2010-09-21T16:39:58.473" UserId="10907" />
  <row Id="1334" PostId="821" Score="0" Text="It could be implemented to discourage abuse.  It's an easter egg, not a documented feature." CreationDate="2010-09-22T02:10:15.927" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1335" PostId="821" Score="0" Text="Noone said that the message had to end being sent to any of the users... although maybe that's the point?" CreationDate="2010-09-22T04:55:51.630" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1342" PostId="821" Score="0" Text="@Farseeker: @Jeff's question says *&quot;and it's visible to the entire chat room.&quot;*" CreationDate="2010-09-24T13:51:39.390" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1344" PostId="821" Score="2" Text="I still like the idea of line noise!" CreationDate="2010-09-24T20:42:40.807" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1346" PostId="823" Score="3" Text="ooo i like the light bulb idea!" CreationDate="2010-09-24T22:53:54.510" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1336" PostId="825" Score="4" Text="I agree with your sentiments, but asking googlable questions is still encouraged, because when everyone else googles for them, we want them to find US, not Expert Sexchange (as so many of my search results end up with)" CreationDate="2010-09-22T23:42:30.023" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1337" PostId="825" Score="0" Text="@Farseeker +1. I use the Firefox [Custom Google Search](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/13996/) add-on for this exact purpose -- filter out useless/unwanted sites." CreationDate="2010-09-23T02:07:09.130" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1370" PostId="825" Score="0" Text="Yes, it's encouraged if he's an honest citizen; but I agree, on the surface it's suspicious." CreationDate="2010-10-06T02:56:34.487" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1338" PostId="826" Score="0" Text="It's been closed for you." CreationDate="2010-09-23T11:38:29.087" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1353" PostId="826" Score="0" Text="You can delete your own questions before they get any answers too." CreationDate="2010-09-28T15:37:26.373" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1340" PostId="827" Score="0" Text="`prompt $p$g` aaah the memories" CreationDate="2010-09-24T06:10:52.910" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1345" PostId="830" Score="2" Text="It's a hazard, but for the sake of organization I'll live with it!" CreationDate="2010-09-24T22:38:37.637" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1369" PostId="830" Score="0" Text="And flooding the front page with corrections is *so much worse* than flooding it with answered questions where the questioner never came back to mark an answer... &lt;/sarcasm&gt;" CreationDate="2010-10-06T02:52:44.100" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1347" PostId="833" Score="0" Text="ASCII art, right up there with a fake NO CARRIER for bringing me back." CreationDate="2010-09-25T14:54:18.367" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1348" PostId="833" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 yeah I was trying to think of something, well, sysadmin-y... ASCII art isn't exactly sysadminy, but it's the best I have come up with so far :-)" CreationDate="2010-09-25T15:08:54.120" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="1351" PostId="833" Score="0" Text="Could be prone to abuse but I like figlet.  Not a bad idea.  I use `sysvbanner` for a lot of my documentation." CreationDate="2010-09-27T18:00:09.193" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="2569" PostId="839" Score="0" Text="Is unix.stackexchange.com still a beta?.. But the migration option is not there." CreationDate="2011-05-21T12:58:21.760" UserId="68972" />
  <row Id="4050" PostId="839" Score="0" Text="Mods can now migrate to Unix.SE, as well as other Beta sites. So this no longer applies (it was correct at the time). Please do not cross-post." CreationDate="2011-12-10T19:18:49.790" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1372" PostId="842" Score="0" Text="Understand my point now?" CreationDate="2010-10-06T23:24:54.237" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="1352" PostId="843" Score="0" Text="+1, Also for off-topic or spam &quot;answers&quot;" CreationDate="2010-09-28T15:35:51.307" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1354" PostId="843" Score="0" Text="Mm, yes. Forgot about off-topic." CreationDate="2010-09-28T15:42:03.997" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1355" PostId="843" Score="3" Text="@Chris S, Flagging, is usually better for answers that are really spam." CreationDate="2010-09-28T18:24:38.280" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1356" PostId="844" Score="0" Text="+1 for that last sentence, which pretty well sums it all up." CreationDate="2010-09-28T23:08:10.143" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1357" PostId="846" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the feedback.  I don't know enough about the SE codebase to comment on the ease, but I assume that such an effort would be significant..." CreationDate="2010-09-29T12:11:30.307" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1358" PostId="847" Score="0" Text="Opera Mini, or Opera Mobile, or Opera &quot;normal&quot;? There are a *lot* of known issues with Opera Mini which the Stack Exchange team won't/can't fix because of its unique rendering method." CreationDate="2010-09-30T23:06:43.460" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1359" PostId="847" Score="0" Text="Opera &quot;Normal&quot;. I managed to use the same browser (possibly even the very same process) to post a question to SO in February, so I know it has worked, in the past." CreationDate="2010-10-01T09:25:54.000" UserId="5038" />
  <row Id="1360" PostId="847" Score="0" Text="How many characters were in the question you were unable to post?" CreationDate="2010-10-01T10:06:35.800" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1365" PostId="847" Score="0" Text="About 650 characters. POsting the exact same body with Iceape worked just fine." CreationDate="2010-10-03T19:33:16.090" UserId="5038" />
  <row Id="5317" PostId="847" Score="0" Text="@Vatine: is this still a problem ?" CreationDate="2012-02-06T13:59:58.097" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5343" PostId="847" Score="0" Text="Iain: I can check when I get home. I don't post that many questions and I am pretty sure that I've been able to post answers in Opera at all times. All I need now is a suitable question..." CreationDate="2012-02-07T11:08:34.380" UserId="5038" />
  <row Id="5372" PostId="847" Score="0" Text="@Vatine: you could always just post a test question and then delete it" CreationDate="2012-02-09T11:02:27.507" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5373" PostId="847" Score="0" Text="@Iain True. I'll try to get it tested tonight." CreationDate="2012-02-09T11:05:51.847" UserId="5038" />
  <row Id="5509" PostId="847" Score="0" Text="@Vatine: fixed ?" CreationDate="2012-02-17T18:35:48.677" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5510" PostId="847" Score="0" Text="Iain: Seems to be." CreationDate="2012-02-17T20:15:19.043" UserId="5038" />
  <row Id="1374" PostId="855" Score="0" Text="But isn't it illogical? Do robots ever edit their posts? I've always thought they just post and forget." CreationDate="2010-10-08T13:54:42.777" UserId="42777" />
  <row Id="1375" PostId="855" Score="0" Text="Robots might simply follow every link, and therefor would get caught by this. Webcrawlers (like Google) are &quot;guided&quot; and wouldn't simply follow every link." CreationDate="2010-10-08T14:22:35.313" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1373" PostId="857" Score="0" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/842/why-downvote-a-question-or-answer-on-server-fault" CreationDate="2010-10-08T05:11:08.097" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1376" PostId="857" Score="4" Text="When it shows a lack of effort that makes you wonder how they find the effort to breathe, then you downvote (if you want)." CreationDate="2010-10-08T14:25:20.320" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1377" PostId="857" Score="1" Text="Voting is a personal thing. We do not all vote (up or down) for the same reasons. Be honest about how you vote, rather than doing so just to get another badge, as some have done." CreationDate="2010-10-11T00:07:10.773" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1378" PostId="861" Score="0" Text="A good enough reason by my book too, now I think about it." CreationDate="2010-10-11T21:05:38.340" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1379" PostId="862" Score="2" Text="Irony is misspelling the title of your post.  Or perhaps proving that he's not a spelling/grammar nazi...  s/coherant/coherent/i;  Proper capitalization is optional too..." CreationDate="2010-10-12T12:24:08.663" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1386" PostId="862" Score="0" Text="just testing! eh..damn." CreationDate="2010-10-12T20:22:24.943" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="1387" PostId="862" Score="1" Text="Although as he says, he's not trying to be a spelling nazi. The rest of his post is coherent." CreationDate="2010-10-13T00:35:29.447" UserId="36178" />
  <row Id="1398" PostId="862" Score="2" Text="In addition to coherent English I think proper capitalisation should also be required. Consider your own question title." CreationDate="2010-10-13T21:00:16.820" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1406" PostId="862" Score="0" Text="done, but it's one step missing a captial letter or having a spelling mistake compared to a question that needs two or three read-throughs to make sense." CreationDate="2010-10-14T07:51:54.157" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="1380" PostId="863" Score="0" Text="&quot;Strunk &amp; White&quot; badge?" CreationDate="2010-10-12T13:16:44.253" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1381" PostId="863" Score="0" Text="There is a Copy Editor badge, for 600 edits." CreationDate="2010-10-12T13:23:31.867" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="1382" PostId="864" Score="6" Text="Agreed. Editing a post just to capitalize one or two letters, that's pointless. Fixing incorrect spelling/grammar/style, always good." CreationDate="2010-10-12T13:31:21.120" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1390" PostId="865" Score="0" Text="Frequently when I am searching the site for something or other I come across a few questions/answers that need fixing.  I fix them when I see them, but I never search for things just to fix the case." CreationDate="2010-10-13T17:49:18.220" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1397" PostId="865" Score="0" Text="Agreed. I never search out posts for editing but when they're put in front of me and require editing I don't concern myself over when they were originally posted." CreationDate="2010-10-13T20:52:29.393" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1384" PostId="867" Score="0" Text="Thanks Chris, though you answered first, I accepted Ben's answer as he added a bit of additional info and you don't really need the reputation points :-) Hope that's OK with you." CreationDate="2010-10-12T19:41:15.050" UserId="55524" />
  <row Id="1385" PostId="867" Score="0" Text="Nobody gets reputation from meta.serverfault.com" CreationDate="2010-10-12T20:21:35.443" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1383" PostId="868" Score="0" Text="Thanks Ben - the 1000 rep threshold for seeing vote ratios is interesting info." CreationDate="2010-10-12T19:38:48.550" UserId="55524" />
  <row Id="1421" PostId="872" Score="0" Text="Related Reading  [Linux snobes](http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/snobsoped.shtml) (s/linux snob/sysadmin snob/). http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/9953 http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/15143 http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/31168" CreationDate="2010-10-16T00:10:10.667" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1388" PostId="873" Score="0" Text="When I am asked &quot;what does RTFM mean?&quot; I always define it using *fine* instead. If I am not asked for definition, then I intend the the other f-word is implied. :)" CreationDate="2010-10-13T15:29:58.180" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1403" PostId="873" Score="0" Text="@jscott you mean *Read The Famous Manual*? :-)" CreationDate="2010-10-14T00:18:56.680" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="1439" PostId="873" Score="0" Text="*read the friendly manual*" CreationDate="2010-10-21T00:18:05.093" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1410" PostId="874" Score="0" Text="I guess that is the right answer to the question, even if not that satisfying." CreationDate="2010-10-14T08:40:12.133" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="1409" PostId="875" Score="0" Text="Nice blog post.  I agree totally that there is a risk in any forum that it descends into &quot;snarkyness&quot;, and flame wars.  That still seems an inherant risk with &quot;game&quot; systems such as this.  But the benefits probably outweigh the risks, and I can't say I've seen it done better anywhere else out there." CreationDate="2010-10-14T08:37:52.757" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="1412" PostId="875" Score="0" Text="`The reason I love the Stack Overflow system is that is strongly discourages this` can't agree more with you Kyle, I 100% discourage people to use those terms. It not only make people refrain from posting something but create a distance between new users and the community." CreationDate="2010-10-14T16:23:36.420" UserId="45278" />
  <row Id="2911" PostId="875" Score="0" Text="That link is dead. http://blog.serverfault.com/post/1306724710/ works." CreationDate="2011-07-19T07:47:37.453" UserId="55814" />
  <row Id="1392" PostId="876" Score="1" Text="It might be nice to include the [MSO link Warner provided](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5029/are-taglines-signatures-disallowed) in any related edits. That's what I've done in the past.  At least then users with clue might check the revision history." CreationDate="2010-10-13T18:24:13.860" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1389" PostId="878" Score="0" Text="This is more about salutation and goodbye messages such as: &quot;Hello techy friends,&quot; and &quot;sincerely, lonesome noob&quot;" CreationDate="2010-10-13T17:47:59.850" UserId="1840" />
  <row Id="1391" PostId="878" Score="0" Text="That's what he's talking about, @l0c0b0x." CreationDate="2010-10-13T17:58:28.677" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1393" PostId="878" Score="0" Text="This is where I am. I don't think its worth editing just for this (unless the flowery language was getting in the way of the question) but I'd certainly tidy it up if I was there anyway." CreationDate="2010-10-13T18:35:43.877" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1396" PostId="878" Score="0" Text="It may have been addressed on another site but we don't all read every Stack Exchange site." CreationDate="2010-10-13T20:47:59.087" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1411" PostId="878" Score="0" Text="Understandably so, John.  That's why I pointed it out." CreationDate="2010-10-14T13:07:17.237" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1395" PostId="879" Score="4" Text="&quot;Do you use the phrase &quot;f*cking manual&quot; in real life?&quot; Sure do - daily!" CreationDate="2010-10-13T20:45:35.773" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1408" PostId="879" Score="0" Text="Yes - I murmer it with great frequency.  But I didn't use the phrase &quot;f*cking manual&quot; on serverfault.  RTFM is part of our everyday language.  It's a joke, like ROFL, PITA and ASP, in our TLA filled industry.  The irony of Prix commenting in a RTFFAQ way without adding anything interesting to the conversation isn't lost on me.  But it feels disruptive more than helpful." CreationDate="2010-10-14T08:31:01.850" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="1399" PostId="880" Score="2" Text="Three Thoughts to consider: 1) Forget about the OP -- If you answer the question itself then it might be useful to others in the future. 2) I don't think you should take the time if you don't want to. *SF should be fun*, and if you don't want to bother to answer a particular question that is fine. Only answer the ones you will have fun answering. 3) If you think it is just a crappy question (i.e. simple and poorly written), you can always downvote if you feel it deserves it." CreationDate="2010-10-13T21:01:37.217" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="1405" PostId="880" Score="0" Text="@Kyle, 1) I believe it is equally important for anyone seeing the question in the future to understand that they have a duty to read the manual as well, giving value to an RTFM answer. Of course that's just my opinion and I accept that it's not shared by all. 2) If the question interests me I might research it but generally I don't. 3) I do, or I might vote to close it." CreationDate="2010-10-14T02:55:12.317" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1438" PostId="880" Score="2" Text="+1, If the question really deserves a &quot;RTFM&quot; then I wouldn't down vote an answer that includes it; I'd probably upvote it. If the question is decently written and reflects some general level of effort, then the &quot;RTFM&quot; is not appropriate." CreationDate="2010-10-21T00:17:45.453" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1442" PostId="880" Score="1" Text="@Chris, that's really the key - the question has to at least look like the poster has shown some level of professionalism and made an attempt to look for the answer. If it's clearly spelled out in the docs they should have seen it." CreationDate="2010-10-21T08:40:21.393" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1404" PostId="883" Score="2" Text="I can't recall seeing (or at least not noticing) any syntax highlighted posts. Can you give us a link to one please?" CreationDate="2010-10-14T02:46:59.840" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1417" PostId="883" Score="0" Text="@John Gardeniers,  Look at the code blocks in these questions.  Notice that the font color changes.  http://serverfault.com/questions/18744 (check the apache.conf see how it is all wonky)&#xA;http://serverfault.com/questions/155115&#xA;http://serverfault.com/questions/189165" CreationDate="2010-10-15T23:33:35.513" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1422" PostId="883" Score="0" Text="thanks for those examples. I see your point and agree that it looks pretty crappy." CreationDate="2010-10-18T00:02:35.773" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1436" PostId="883" Score="0" Text="Thanks also for those examples.  Most of the syntax highlighting is so subtle that it makes it feel like my LCD is flaking out or my eyes are tired...   Yes, I stand by my answer below; if you want syntax highlighting, copy it into your own editor!" CreationDate="2010-10-20T13:01:01.937" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1419" PostId="884" Score="0" Text="The problem is that is it doesn't seem to work right in some cases.  See http://serverfault.com/questions/18744.  In the apache.conf scroll down to the worker mpm section." CreationDate="2010-10-15T23:40:57.033" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1420" PostId="884" Score="0" Text="I would strongly prefer the default to be no highlight with an option to enable it.  I agree it is useful in many cases." CreationDate="2010-10-15T23:42:15.733" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1418" PostId="885" Score="0" Text="It uses [Google prettify](http://code.google.com/p/google-code-prettify/) ([cite](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/14664/how-does-so-syntax-highlight-citations-so-well))" CreationDate="2010-10-15T23:39:13.227" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1413" PostId="888" Score="0" Text="Yes, we do all make mistakes at times and I'm confident I make more than my share but, after making allowances for English not being the posters first language, should we really tolerate the level of illiteracy, sometimes deliberate, shown in some posts? I would assume a certain level of literacy would be require for any technical job." CreationDate="2010-10-14T21:45:51.087" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1416" PostId="888" Score="0" Text="I suppose that's what the Strunk &amp; White and Copy Editor badges are for...  Yes, I HATE poor grammar, spelling, and punctuation, but I don't think that there is any reasonable way to enforce it.  I suppose that instead of a red squiggly-line for assumed misspelled words, something more obnoxious could be done, but why bother?" CreationDate="2010-10-15T12:31:42.983" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="2170" PostId="889" Score="0" Text="+1 - this is what I do when I don't want highlight and I sometimes go and retro-fit it to other posts, however the majority of users wouldn't know about this." CreationDate="2011-03-07T20:37:33.957" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1415" PostId="890" Score="1" Text="merged books -&gt; book ... book was the more prevalent tag" CreationDate="2010-10-15T01:19:38.633" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1414" PostId="891" Score="1" Text="A good idea: http://serverfault.com/tags/book/synonyms" CreationDate="2010-10-15T01:17:45.657" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1423" PostId="893" Score="0" Text="There is no vote to close as unclear option. Perhaps this should be added. As it stands the nearest option is to close as not a real question, which in many cases is quite inappropriate, as the question may well be real but written in a manner that makes it unreadable." CreationDate="2010-10-18T00:11:48.490" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1425" PostId="893" Score="0" Text="@John Gardeniers, sorry, I paraphrase the close reason.  I was thinking of  __not a real question__ which has the description: &#xA;It's difficult to tell what is being asked here. This question is ambiguous, vague, incomplete, overly broad, or rhetorical and cannot be reasonably answered in its current form." CreationDate="2010-10-18T03:09:32.857" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1424" PostId="894" Score="0" Text="As an aside, I was slightly disappointed to discover that there is no badge for an entire year's worth of daily activity." CreationDate="2010-10-18T00:14:42.303" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1426" PostId="894" Score="3" Text="HA!  But what's beyond &quot;Fanatic&quot; except for &quot;Certifiable&quot; or &quot;Committed/Institutionalized&quot;..." CreationDate="2010-10-18T12:31:30.903" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1429" PostId="894" Score="2" Text="There's a reason some refer to it as *CrackOverflow*." CreationDate="2010-10-18T16:39:48.620" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1430" PostId="894" Score="1" Text="@jscott ...but the badges are _sooooo_ worth it..." CreationDate="2010-10-18T17:59:45.643" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1427" PostId="895" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the clarification.  +1 and Answered." CreationDate="2010-10-18T12:34:10.740" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1431" PostId="899" Score="0" Text="Huh? No more CW questions? That will make a LOT of questions off topic/not real." CreationDate="2010-10-18T20:53:04.617" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1432" PostId="899" Score="0" Text="@John - I think that was part of the point. The other was that there were increasing numbers of questions converted by accident." CreationDate="2010-10-18T20:54:36.070" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="1433" PostId="899" Score="0" Text="Sorry, I though you were asking about questions tagged as CW, rather than actual CW questions." CreationDate="2010-10-18T23:12:25.450" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1434" PostId="899" Score="0" Text="@John - The question was about tagging, but because of the removal of CW as an option. If you see what I mean." CreationDate="2010-10-19T07:45:21.690" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="1435" PostId="899" Score="0" Text="CW going away: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/392/should-the-community-wiki-police-be-shut-down" CreationDate="2010-10-19T21:52:08.750" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1428" PostId="901" Score="0" Text="Cheers - I would have done it myself straight away, but thought I'd get a 2nd opinion." CreationDate="2010-10-18T14:06:53.497" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="1437" PostId="903" Score="0" Text="Perhaps this is my mistake, looking back now I see there was another downvote between the WOL and PHP questions (two downvotes in a row). I assumed that these 5 were the most recent 5, but apparently that is not the case??" CreationDate="2010-10-20T13:05:56.030" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1440" PostId="906" Score="2" Text="Why do you need to know when you can see the list of questions the asked, answers they provided, and recent comments?  Maybe he didn't want you to know his name." CreationDate="2010-10-21T06:25:47.283" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1441" PostId="906" Score="0" Text="I don't _need_ to, but I find it easier in some cases to find things by who said them.  There's also a bit of cognitive dissonance when I see a comment or answer that I'm *sure* was said by someone else, and it would help alleviate that if I could find out &quot;oh, yeah, that person did post w/ another name before.&quot;" CreationDate="2010-10-21T07:25:56.127" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1445" PostId="908" Score="2" Text="On a daily basis I also deal with users, software, networks, security, workstations, *etc*.  I've seen questions, on SF, directly related to each of these items.  None of these items *are* servers, nor would they qualify for a [server] tag.  But this is a community-built site.  You brought your question to the correct place to be addressed." CreationDate="2010-10-22T18:39:20.183" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1446" PostId="908" Score="2" Text="+1, I **HATE** that tag. It does seem kind of redundant in 99% of cases." CreationDate="2010-10-22T20:45:05.073" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="1460" PostId="908" Score="2" Text="While I agree that we don't require the server tag, this site is NOT &quot;all about servers&quot;. Your view of system administrations is too narrow. A significant number of questions are unrelated to servers. Likewise, there are many admins who never get to work on a server at all." CreationDate="2010-10-24T21:21:01.247" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1466" PostId="908" Score="0" Text="The 'server' tag does help to distinguish a question from 'storage' (Like a Netapp or storage array, not a server), or 'networking' (also not a server) or 'security policies'." CreationDate="2010-10-26T17:33:15.007" UserId="36178" />
  <row Id="1469" PostId="908" Score="3" Text="@Stefan, while I see your point I think the server tag is far too generic to be of any real value. Server questions should be tagged with one or more tags appropriate to the actual make and model of server to be useful." CreationDate="2010-10-27T01:43:44.163" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1451" PostId="909" Score="1" Text="If you keep changing your question, we'll have a hard time giving you an appropriate answer." CreationDate="2010-10-22T21:29:20.257" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1453" PostId="909" Score="1" Text="No problem - it was just hard to follow the rapidly-moving target there. :)" CreationDate="2010-10-22T21:34:53.157" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1459" PostId="909" Score="0" Text="It sounds like you are intending to ask questions for the sole purpose of getting upvates, rather than looking for real answers to real problems. Others may disagree but I find that objectionable." CreationDate="2010-10-24T21:14:35.090" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1461" PostId="909" Score="0" Text="**@John Gardeniers:** To look for &quot;real answers to real problems&quot; you have to know where to look, sounds to me like reading into the question in a way that has more to do with you, than I. I don't care about rep points, and if I did I would not get them by asking question... really, please apply some form of logic if you're going to be objectionable." CreationDate="2010-10-24T22:09:32.250" UserId="56661" />
  <row Id="1447" PostId="910" Score="0" Text="**ErikA:** I delete questions, if it appears I've doing the wrong thing. If a question gets to mean off-topic answers, I have no control over deleting it." CreationDate="2010-10-22T21:25:06.273" UserId="56661" />
  <row Id="1448" PostId="910" Score="0" Text="**@ErikA:** Main focus of the question is understanding what knowledge is in the community. I'll remove the other questions, since that's really not the same topic." CreationDate="2010-10-22T21:26:31.557" UserId="56661" />
  <row Id="1449" PostId="910" Score="1" Text="@blunders - Sure, you did the wrong thing by posting an off-topic question, but there are mechanisms in place (migration) to deal with this. By deleting your question, you also delete any answers and comments people have posted, which can be quite frustrating." CreationDate="2010-10-22T21:27:41.610" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1450" PostId="910" Score="0" Text="**@ErikA:** Yes, I agree about all your points. Thank you!" CreationDate="2010-10-22T21:29:10.147" UserId="56661" />
  <row Id="1471" PostId="910" Score="1" Text="Huh.  _Learn by reading_?  It sounds like madness, but it just may be genius!  &lt;wink /&gt;" CreationDate="2010-10-27T12:27:35.927" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1472" PostId="910" Score="1" Text="And don't sweat the occasional downvote, question migration, or even harsh comment.  The vocal minority is sometimes just in a crabby mood, but 99.9% of the community are unbothered by your initial missteps.  Otherwise you'll know, because you'll hear from a mod.  ;)" CreationDate="2010-10-27T14:07:05.570" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="5386" PostId="913" Score="0" Text="Always with the tunneling!" CreationDate="2012-02-10T05:26:38.977" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5399" PostId="913" Score="0" Text="@Shane, that's an extraordinarily odd comment. Care to elaborate?" CreationDate="2012-02-10T23:49:47.043" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5404" PostId="913" Score="0" Text="Erm, sorry.  Futurama reference.  Ignore me." CreationDate="2012-02-11T01:23:06.453" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5406" PostId="913" Score="0" Text="@Shane, I'm a Futurama fan (I have them all) but I don't recall that expression as anything out of the ordinary (if Futurama and ordinary can even be used in the same sentence)." CreationDate="2012-02-11T03:25:40.967" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5408" PostId="913" Score="0" Text="[This one](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1054486/), I think.  &quot;The Tunneling Horror?  I hate that guy!  Always with the tunneling!&quot;" CreationDate="2012-02-11T07:50:46.027" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="1473" PostId="915" Score="0" Text="its not your duty to be a moral judge, that's g-d's job" CreationDate="2010-10-27T19:56:08.157" UserId="48344" />
  <row Id="1474" PostId="915" Score="2" Text="@I__, it's not a case of being a moral judge. It's really about being professional. The subject of professionalism has been raised on a number of previous occasions and the conclusion I draw from those discussions is that we should eliminate those questions which are clearly inappropriate, which is how I interpret hacking topics. This question is to try and determine whether my views are shared by others or I'm being picky. After all, SF is for professionals, not hackers. There are plenty of other sites that cater to the latter. BTW, religion and religious references are most inappropriate." CreationDate="2010-10-27T21:01:51.737" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1477" PostId="915" Score="0" Text="@I__, I think every religion that believes in god would disagree, and most would say it's divine inspiration (or design) that gives you the ability to do so. Additionally I know plenty of atheists who would argue that human beings have the innate ability to recognize moral situations, and the duty to do so." CreationDate="2010-10-28T12:49:12.663" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1493" PostId="915" Score="0" Text="This is about ethics, not morality. I've just checked against my professional code of ethics and found nothing wrong with the answer that I gave; I discerned that it was right to share the knowledge that I had, and I acted impartially. Of course, should the ServerFault community decide that I was wrong, I will accept that." CreationDate="2010-11-02T08:12:39.813" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="1495" PostId="915" Score="0" Text="@Andrew, we do not all live or work under the same code of ethics, or have the same moralities." CreationDate="2010-11-02T11:24:01.877" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1468" PostId="918" Score="0" Text="It may be a bad example, as that question may very well be legitimate. However, the answer requires a hack, which is the part I don't think we should be participating in." CreationDate="2010-10-26T22:09:00.197" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1479" PostId="918" Score="5" Text="Calling a password reset utility a hack really downplays some of the really cool hacks people have done over the years." CreationDate="2010-10-28T17:11:17.677" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1470" PostId="919" Score="2" Text="You're certainly correct about the spammers." CreationDate="2010-10-27T04:50:14.613" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1482" PostId="919" Score="0" Text="I strongly agree that we should be closing duplicate whenever possible, particularly for this type of question which seems attract SPAM." CreationDate="2010-10-28T17:52:53.193" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1475" PostId="920" Score="1" Text="Interesting point of view. The way I see it that would make SF the go-to site for information about circumventing security systems. Is that really what you want to see happen? My opinion as a professional admin is that we should be taking active steps in the opposite direction, so clearly we have diametrically opposed views on this. Your reference to security through obscurity is lost on me in this case because it isn't a matter of hiding the information. It's about we as professionals not ENCOURAGING hacking by answering questions that require a hacking solution." CreationDate="2010-10-27T21:12:37.827" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1478" PostId="920" Score="0" Text="I agree entirely, Kara.  The ability to test vulnerabilities, among other security topics, is absolutely within the realm of professional IT.  Nevertheless, obviously unscrupulous end-users we don't need to cater to.  I believe I've written my detailed opinion on this on a different post." CreationDate="2010-10-28T13:34:51.357" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1481" PostId="920" Score="2" Text="@John Gardeniers, it seems there is a bit of a strawman in your argument here.  I don't think we are encouraging hacking, I think we are trying to encourage sharing information that a sysadmin may have to commonly deal with." CreationDate="2010-10-28T17:20:25.267" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1490" PostId="920" Score="2" Text="I think taking questions from script kiddies seriously would be just as annoying as doing kids' homework for them.  Though I'd rather err on the side of not throwing out babies with bathwater - more specifically, I still want to encourage students to participate (as they're the next batch of professional users) - just as a lot of dodgy-sounding security qustions may be coming from the next generation of white hats.  Naive questions sound pretty similar to malicious questions trying to sound innocent, dont' they?" CreationDate="2010-10-31T18:30:39.977" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1499" PostId="920" Score="0" Text="@Kara, we obviously disagree on some points. e.g. I don't believe SF should be supporting the students or other admin wannabes, as they clearly do not fit the criteria spelled out in the FAQ. Either the site is for professionals or it's not. You can't have it both ways." CreationDate="2010-11-02T22:15:54.883" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1501" PostId="920" Score="1" Text="I disagre with the idea that it's beneficial to anyone to attempt drawing this line in the sand, though I respect your inclination to keep things legit. Luckily, the community at large does a good job of voting the worst questions to close." CreationDate="2010-11-03T03:31:13.193" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1483" PostId="922" Score="0" Text="You also seem to think I wish to hide the information, which is not my intention or goal. I simply don't believe we should be encouraging hacking and, like it or not, that is what password recovery is. Whether there is a legitimate need to do so or not is irrelevant. For the record, I have the tools I need to do such things with me at all times but don't believe SF is the appropriate place to discuss them." CreationDate="2010-10-28T21:27:42.260" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1489" PostId="924" Score="0" Text="Mine shown &quot;days represented 377&quot;. Does that mean it's only counting the days rep changed (as opposed to being on the site)?" CreationDate="2010-10-30T23:36:34.723" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1496" PostId="929" Score="0" Text="Have to agree. These tags ought to be redundant on this site." CreationDate="2010-11-02T13:28:53.130" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1498" PostId="929" Score="1" Text="+1 Re-reading the FAQ, in particular the part about who SF is intended for, I have to agree." CreationDate="2010-11-02T22:11:11.283" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1503" PostId="929" Score="0" Text="I wonder if the discussion was back in the only-one-meta days; I'll see if I can find it on SO's meta." CreationDate="2010-11-05T13:55:02.107" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1497" PostId="931" Score="0" Text="correct -- you will get the badge if *on any day* you used all 30 votes." CreationDate="2010-11-02T21:06:38.027" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1502" PostId="931" Score="0" Text="Hmm, I wonder if it's a good or a bad sign that only 147 people have earned that badge on ServerFault?" CreationDate="2010-11-03T06:15:28.353" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1509" PostId="934" Score="0" Text="I agree that the wording is awkward.  Perhaps &quot;Five or more Zero-Score answers, making up 20% of your total answers.&quot;" CreationDate="2010-11-08T13:21:21.000" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1510" PostId="934" Score="0" Text="That's not the same as ErikA's answer.  Is there anyone who can tell us what the actual definition is?" CreationDate="2010-11-08T21:57:42.757" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="1504" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="My zero-score accepted answers number 6, and my total accepted answers number 21, so it can't be that." CreationDate="2010-11-07T06:52:47.523" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="1505" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="My understanding is that, for some badges, the process that calcluates things and awards badges only runs periodically, so give it a few days and see what happens." CreationDate="2010-11-07T06:55:47.000" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1506" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="It's been several days, but I hadn't realised that some &quot;badge runs&quot; are infrequent - I'll sit down and shut up for bit (and accept your answer with gratitude if and when the badge shows up!)." CreationDate="2010-11-07T07:08:53.447" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="1527" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="It arrived, you were right." CreationDate="2010-11-14T06:48:50.240" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="2097" PostId="937" Score="0" Text="You can't cater to everyone..." CreationDate="2011-02-28T07:49:42.397" UserId="3626" />
  <row Id="1512" PostId="938" Score="0" Text="Fully agreed with this to be honest. [I wrote as much on Gaming Meta](http://meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/447/are-questions-regarding-game-server-administration-on-topic/448#448) that the majority of game server questions will probably be much more about Gaming than server administration. Migration path seems out of the question since we don't get enough good examples, but if we did get a question about the underlying server, would you guys mind if we did direct them here?" CreationDate="2010-11-11T20:11:40.210" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="1513" PostId="938" Score="0" Text="No, not at all. The more the merrier. :)" CreationDate="2010-11-11T20:48:21.933" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1536" PostId="938" Score="0" Text="@ccornet, when considering sending questions over here please bear in mind the intended SF user base. i.e. IT professionals, not just anybody who &quot;runs&quot; a server." CreationDate="2010-11-15T09:40:02.253" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1538" PostId="938" Score="0" Text="@John Your concern has been noted and I will keep that in mind when deciding whether or not to direct someone here." CreationDate="2010-11-15T13:05:39.950" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="1535" PostId="940" Score="0" Text="What is the connection between the question title and the body?" CreationDate="2010-11-15T04:23:47.713" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1547" PostId="940" Score="0" Text="Hey John, it seems pretty clear to me, if there is something misleading I'd be glad to edit if youd be so kind as to point out exactly what you think doesn't fit. Thanks!" CreationDate="2010-11-16T15:56:11.383" UserId="23935" />
  <row Id="1508" PostId="941" Score="0" Text="Wow. That's almost an embarrassing oversight. Thank you. That said, I also lost my keys in the fridge once, but that's another story." CreationDate="2010-11-08T01:42:31.947" UserId="23935" />
  <row Id="1528" PostId="941" Score="2" Text="@serverninja: fwiw, SF question URLs are of the format &quot;serverfault.com&quot; / &quot;q&quot; / *question number*.  The &quot;crediting&quot; URL is just the question URL with your user ID number tacked on the end. *e.g.* This question: `meta.serverfault.com/q/944` -- Credit URL using your user ID: `meta.serverfault.com/q/944/23935`" CreationDate="2010-11-14T12:54:45.007" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1511" PostId="943" Score="0" Text="+1 If you can't verify, and there's no way for you to be reasonably sure it's correct, don't mark it accepted. It's better to &quot;languish unanswered&quot; than to be potentially incorrect/misleading." CreationDate="2010-11-09T15:33:53.923" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1524" PostId="944" Score="0" Text="Probably a good one to post over at meta.so, that's a SE design thing and they deal with those questions." CreationDate="2010-11-12T19:34:07.740" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1516" PostId="945" Score="0" Text="You might want to consider making this community wiki." CreationDate="2010-11-12T17:30:25.477" UserId="39985" />
  <row Id="1517" PostId="945" Score="0" Text="Wrong place to ask. Try http://meta.serverfault.com/ ." CreationDate="2010-11-12T17:31:05.843" UserId="1276" />
  <row Id="1518" PostId="945" Score="0" Text="Will an admin move this for me.. please :D" CreationDate="2010-11-12T17:33:57.860" UserId="59466" />
  <row Id="1519" PostId="945" Score="0" Text="@Arenstar - it'll be moved shortly." CreationDate="2010-11-12T17:41:43.143" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1526" PostId="945" Score="2" Text="This should have stayed on SF. sigh" CreationDate="2010-11-13T12:21:37.463" UserId="3204" />
  <row Id="1533" PostId="945" Score="1" Text="@Garry, this is a question about SO/SF Users, it's belongs on Meta." CreationDate="2010-11-15T03:27:12.063" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1520" PostId="947" Score="3" Text="I agree with you completely...&#xA;Im not saying either is better.. i just know what i prefer and what i enjoy..&#xA;Point being i wont be answering many questions on Windows specifics,  but im constantly having people answer my questions who are clearly Windows admins..&#xA;Just seems like a lot more windows is going on here.. :P&#xA;Its all  little back to front :P" CreationDate="2010-11-12T18:13:55.493" UserId="59466" />
  <row Id="1522" PostId="947" Score="0" Text="I agree Arenstar, my comments were directed at the mindset of &quot;X is best&quot; kind answers, we've had one of those already. For me, I think that having a mix of skills makes you better at your &quot;preferred&quot; one and I'm sure everyone else here would agree with that. I learnt a lot about Windows networking by trying to integrate mac osx clients using samba into the network that I never would have learned about if I'd only ever touched Windows, for example. As for people giving &quot;Windows answers&quot; to *nix questions, are you specifying Unix in your questions?" CreationDate="2010-11-12T18:49:52.187" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1523" PostId="947" Score="0" Text="Interesting point on my point about having a mix of skills - first time I got myself a mac one of the apps froze hard during my first day's use. I didn't know then how to 'force quit' an application the Apple way, so I ended up opening terminal to do find the app's pid and do a kill -9 on it. Something I always remember when people tell me that macs never crash or that it's totally intuitive to use one from the first second you pick it up! I probably use OSX a lot at home because it feels less like 'work' where we have a mix, yes, but its mostly Windows server." CreationDate="2010-11-12T18:55:14.913" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1560" PostId="948" Score="0" Text="Agreed, I cringe every time I have to do something on one of our ancient Slackware boxes (90% of our servers are Ubuntu)." CreationDate="2010-11-22T06:42:40.800" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="1541" PostId="949" Score="0" Text="...says the guy with a very BSD-ish avatar...  :-D" CreationDate="2010-11-15T14:11:02.720" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1542" PostId="949" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo, I never claimed to be unbiased; just not unreasonable  ;-)" CreationDate="2010-11-15T14:21:01.387" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1556" PostId="949" Score="0" Text="ha!  Well played, sir." CreationDate="2010-11-19T14:53:21.067" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1525" PostId="952" Score="2" Text="Nice to see the numbers for the question divide..." CreationDate="2010-11-12T21:38:35.837" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1530" PostId="953" Score="1" Text="Once 5 of us vote, it'll be automatically migrated to meta. Honestly, though, it's *very* easy to come up with 5 rep points. Just pay your penance like the rest of us did. :)" CreationDate="2010-11-15T01:14:01.380" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1531" PostId="953" Score="0" Text="Also, could you edit your post and link to the question you're speaking of?" CreationDate="2010-11-15T01:16:42.610" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1532" PostId="953" Score="1" Text="Sorry - third comment. Really, there's nothing bad about having your question marked as off-topic and migrated. There's a reason that feature was implemented - if the question is worth asking, then it'll get migrated. If it's just a &quot;bad question&quot;, then it'll get marked otherwise and closed. So just keep to the guidelines set forth on the how to ask page and you'll be all set. http://serverfault.com/questions/how-to-ask" CreationDate="2010-11-15T01:22:31.573" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1537" PostId="954" Score="1" Text="While I agree about the single computer with a problem issue, don't be too quick to judge the admin's professionalism based on what is being run. I have to maintain an XP machine running a 15 year old 16 bit program. Nothing else can talk to our time clock. The programmer has passed away. The source code has been either lost or destroyed and nobody has so far been able to reverse engineer the encryption used. To replace the program we must replace the entire time clock system, which is simply not cost justified." CreationDate="2010-11-15T09:57:34.763" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1539" PostId="954" Score="0" Text="@John, I agree there's exceptions that call for unorthodox configurations. I tried to disclaim my knee-jerk reaction, but people will think what they want. I'm just trying to explain what might have happened in this case." CreationDate="2010-11-15T14:02:34.210" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1545" PostId="954" Score="0" Text="I'm also prone to knee-jerk reactions when voting. :)" CreationDate="2010-11-15T21:55:01.707" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1540" PostId="957" Score="1" Text="+1 &quot;opinion is really split here on SF&quot; - Bingo" CreationDate="2010-11-15T14:04:16.487" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1543" PostId="957" Score="0" Text="I'm accepting this answer because it provides the insight I was looking for -- which is that this community views the definition of server in terms of the OS version, rather than terms of usage.  If this is going to be the case, it seems like a good tidbit for the FAQ." CreationDate="2010-11-15T14:45:31.010" UserId="39293" />
  <row Id="1544" PostId="957" Score="0" Text="@Robert Not a bad idea. It's a strong enough knee-jerk that a questioner needs to describe in good detail the environment surrounding their problem before getting to the OS. This is a problem for non-fluent English speakers or people who don't understand their problem/systems well." CreationDate="2010-11-15T15:27:10.703" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1558" PostId="957" Score="0" Text="@Robert, seasoned SysAdmins have different views of &quot;Server&quot;, &quot;Client&quot;, &quot;Network&quot;, and other components you're are familiar with. Every OS can serve data, that doesn't make it a server to us. *If your significant other brings your food to the table one day, does that automatically make them a waiter/waitress?*" CreationDate="2010-11-20T03:33:59.523" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3103" PostId="959" Score="0" Text="Just a bump on the above - StackOverflow has synonymed everything to ibm-midrange - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/ibm-midrange" CreationDate="2011-08-02T19:27:55.797" UserId="17794" />
  <row Id="3104" PostId="959" Score="0" Text="Use the contact link on the bottom of the page and draw their attention to this post." CreationDate="2011-08-02T19:49:29.727" UserId="602" />
  <row Id="3117" PostId="959" Score="0" Text="you mean contact the mods?" CreationDate="2011-08-03T18:03:09.373" UserId="17794" />
  <row Id="3118" PostId="959" Score="0" Text="&quot;contact us&quot; on the bottom of this page emails team%2bmeta.serverfault AT stackexchange.com and explain what you want and why. That is what I did on StackOverflow." CreationDate="2011-08-03T19:17:21.183" UserId="602" />
  <row Id="3142" PostId="959" Score="0" Text="An email has been sent, also added my suggestion as an answer." CreationDate="2011-08-05T05:06:17.337" UserId="17794" />
  <row Id="1546" PostId="960" Score="0" Text="I always search on iSeries, because I know &quot;IBM i&quot; without quotes is worthless for searching. We hashed through this on Stack Overflow. Our understanding is searching on one keyword is like searching on all synonyms. Besides, most questions I see on here usually meantion iSeries or AS/400." CreationDate="2010-11-16T14:23:35.950" UserId="602" />
  <row Id="2670" PostId="960" Score="0" Text="[tag:as400] should probably be the main tag - It has the most questions in it (18) and is what I've always referred to these systems as (or heard them referred to)." CreationDate="2011-06-10T15:22:27.990" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3154" PostId="960" Score="0" Text="Whilst I would probably search for iSeries, I would never be likely to search for IBM Midrange. As as400 has the most questions I would agree that this is the better option." CreationDate="2011-08-05T19:29:31.143" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1549" PostId="962" Score="2" Text="+4 For four [freehand circles.](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19478/the-many-memes-of-meta/19775#19775)" CreationDate="2010-11-17T12:03:34.157" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1552" PostId="962" Score="0" Text="Great, thanks. The Cross-site inbox icon you mentioned first is the one that doesn't work right now, but the other one does. I just overlooked that." CreationDate="2010-11-17T20:00:40.900" UserId="52802" />
  <row Id="1570" PostId="962" Score="0" Text="I notice now that the cross-site inbox that drops-down, will contain the most recent item at the top of the list. I was expecting to click on the 'Inbox' icon inside it to do something." CreationDate="2010-11-23T06:41:33.983" UserId="52802" />
  <row Id="14003" PostId="962" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache, This answer doesn't work anymore. There is no link to the inbox in the top left dropdown. Do you have a direct link to the page?" CreationDate="2014-11-16T00:04:46.443" UserId="87017" />
  <row Id="14028" PostId="962" Score="0" Text="No, I don't know where that exists anymore.  I am not even sure if it does really." CreationDate="2014-11-19T18:32:59.993" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1548" PostId="963" Score="8" Text="Keep in mind that these sites are *very well spidered* by search-engines, and whatever you post will be very discoverable." CreationDate="2010-11-16T22:54:30.203" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1550" PostId="963" Score="0" Text="I agree, assume that any information you divulge to Q/A website is stored somewhere **in perpetua**." CreationDate="2010-11-17T13:54:52.573" UserId="4271" />
  <row Id="1551" PostId="963" Score="4" Text="@Dave Drager, you are almost right, just strike out 'Q/A'.  Anything you post anywhere is probably stored somewhere." CreationDate="2010-11-17T17:46:17.547" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1553" PostId="966" Score="1" Text="+1 That last sentence pretty well sums it up." CreationDate="2010-11-18T00:00:35.293" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="12217" PostId="966" Score="13" Text="Whilst that's true - indeed, a truism - it's also useless because anyone posting a question here **doesn't fully understand what's going on**.  If they didn't, they wouldn't be posting.  And because their understanding is imperfect, **their judgement on what is and isn't needed to answer the question isn't reliable**, so the advice can never - by definition - be properly acted upon.  With the exception of very few genuinely sensitive data, all of which Michael covers in his answer above, being fully open and honest is the fastest way to get an accurate answer." CreationDate="2014-01-14T14:08:11.953" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="1557" PostId="968" Score="1" Text="Hacking a &quot;server&quot; together from the spare parts you have (Mac Mini included) doesn't make it server grade. Your essentially asking how to configure desktop hardware, which has nothing to do with administering a network of computers or a server." CreationDate="2010-11-20T03:28:40.637" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1559" PostId="968" Score="3" Text="If that is the intention of ServerFault, I think the FAQ needs to be changed.  The phrase &quot;If you are in charge of ... many desktop PCs&quot; should be removed and replaced with &quot;hard core servers capable of serving thousands of users&quot;." CreationDate="2010-11-20T04:37:49.197" UserId="60385" />
  <row Id="1576" PostId="968" Score="1" Text="I too believe that SF is becoming overly pedantic with regard to *systems administration*.  My particular job entails many different scenarios.  I've helped manage networks from 10,000 workstations and &gt; 100's of servers spread out over an entire state, to networks with 1 server and 10 workstations and everything in between.  It was ALL systems administration.  What I gleaned from the big setups, certainly helped me on the smaller setups." CreationDate="2010-11-23T15:08:08.070" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1579" PostId="968" Score="1" Text="@Chris S putting server in quotes doesn't change the fact that mac minis can be used as low-end servers (see http://www.apple.com/macmini/server/).  Just because you're not a fan of Macs doesn't mean that questions about them aren't appropriate for SF." CreationDate="2010-11-23T15:19:55.527" UserId="60385" />
  <row Id="1581" PostId="968" Score="1" Text="being a fan of a particular company has nothing to do with it. Taking desktop grade hardware and creating a server from it does not infer professional grade reliability, manageability, or capability. Even Apple is careful to call it a &quot;desktop server&quot;. I understand you disagree with the generally accepted interpretation of the FAQ, but this is a collaboratively edited (clearly stated in the FAQ) and you'll be subjected to others' opinions." CreationDate="2010-11-23T15:45:54.253" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1554" PostId="969" Score="0" Text="Ahem: http://serverfault.com/questions/147019/setpci-command-not-found-in-centos" CreationDate="2010-11-18T22:56:06.140" UserId="60385" />
  <row Id="1555" PostId="969" Score="1" Text="@pale - you'll notice that that question was answered by the same person who asked it. Also, it might have just slipped through the cracks as the clsoe votes do fall off after a while. I agree with Zypher on this one." CreationDate="2010-11-19T04:42:43.133" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1561" PostId="969" Score="3" Text="I strongly disagree with your bias against a particular type of hardware.  Perhaps you have(had) the nice advantage of supporting huge installations, but a mac mini can be argued to be adequate hardware for a small office, for satellite office, or for performing some less-critical secondary role." CreationDate="2010-11-22T19:42:56.360" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1562" PostId="969" Score="1" Text="@Zoredache I'm sorry but a mac mini is a _low end_ piece of desktop hardware. Just because it is adequate for a job doesn't mean that it's professional. Would you call a laptop i had sitting around a &quot;professional server&quot; ? because that's what a mac mini is on it's insides, a laptop in a pretty case without a monitor." CreationDate="2010-11-22T19:51:06.483" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1563" PostId="969" Score="2" Text="By your definition of professional I wouldn't call custom built-equipment server either.  Which would seem to exclude many of Jeff's initial hardware choices and questions for this site.  The comment about being a professional is about the person, not the tools." CreationDate="2010-11-22T19:56:27.353" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1564" PostId="969" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache ... well lets not get carried away ... I said _low end desktop_ and _laptop_ hardware i don't consider professional. I would say it has to do with both the hardware and the person. Also Jeff went from hosted dedicated servers to buying lenovo servers so ... no building there either. I mean for the ~1k a mac mini &quot;server&quot; + OS X Server costs you can get a real server machine from dell or HP." CreationDate="2010-11-22T20:19:10.407" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1566" PostId="969" Score="0" Text="If you disagree with me I guess that is fine.  But, it really bugs me when moderator casts the relocate-vote first.  If a couple other  users had voted to move, I suspect I would just accepted that the community had decided." CreationDate="2010-11-22T23:31:14.063" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1571" PostId="969" Score="0" Text="@zypher - Have you looked at the laptops that most enterprises issue to their employees?  Calling them &quot;Low End&quot; is an insult to the low end.  They're closer to oversized netbooks, most of the time...  (Compaq/HP, and sometimes Dell, I'm looking at you...)" CreationDate="2010-11-23T13:33:31.107" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1574" PostId="969" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo actually the Dell e series of notebooks have better specs than the mac mini." CreationDate="2010-11-23T14:23:21.453" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1585" PostId="969" Score="0" Text="We have a Mac Mini in our datacenter right now. It's acting as an off-campus DNS for a peer .edu institution. It certainly caused a lot of head-scratching on our part, especially since they're a bit larger than us and we wouldn't touch a Mini. But it does the job." CreationDate="2010-11-23T22:08:02.023" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1572" PostId="971" Score="2" Text="I must respectfully disagree, John.  A server is a computer that provides a _service_.  And while I've considered myself an IT Professional for years, there have been few instances when I had hardware purchasing decision-making.  Not to mention a new gig and you have to support the existing environment. (Read: Somebody else's decisions.)  A professional may gripe about how their predecessor was a clueless moron, but he still does the support.  Yes, that includes Macs and Mac Minis." CreationDate="2010-11-23T13:45:01.643" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1573" PostId="971" Score="2" Text="Further, Apple doesn't provide a rack-mount server any longer.  They have a guide to transitioning to the new choices (Mac Pro or Mac Mini), and are very explicit about the loads that you can expect to put on a Mini.  How many grossly overpowered servers do you have in your datacenter?  How many who barely trip over 10-15% (and that's usually at startup?!)  Look at your LDAP or Web Servers...  Now take a SMB, and the cost restraints that they have.  I'm the first to say that server hardware has it's place (HP Proliant certified, after all), but the Mini fills a need as well." CreationDate="2010-11-23T13:52:35.817" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1575" PostId="971" Score="0" Text="@gwaldo +1 for overpowered servers! Mac Mini are great product for Small Business, new companies or even LABs, I have seen people using mac mini for windows server (native) and or with OSX Server. plus it can go upto 8GB RAM now :-) so it can be a good machine !!! not to forget the backup technologies like BESR 2010 with which you can keep an image all the time in-case it goes down and restore it to another box right away !" CreationDate="2010-11-23T14:53:33.033" UserId="32058" />
  <row Id="1577" PostId="971" Score="0" Text="mac mini servers: http://www.apple.com/macmini/server/" CreationDate="2010-11-23T15:12:42.073" UserId="60385" />
  <row Id="1578" PostId="971" Score="2" Text="You've never supported a non-profit I take it?" CreationDate="2010-11-23T15:16:34.767" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1586" PostId="972" Score="0" Text="You're right, being a professional IS about attitude. That was my point, although I could have made it better. Regardless of scale an admin should understand the difference between a server and a workstation used for server roles." CreationDate="2010-11-24T01:20:02.743" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="21264" PostId="973" Score="1" Text="Wow. Some of you are being pretty pretentious here, don't you think!? There isn't exactly some magical upper-echelon of IT experience that you reach where you know everything! To the contrary, **working in IT professionally means you NEVER stop learning!** If you do, your career dies. My background is in support (SysAdmin now), so perhaps being empathetic to users is why this is a touchy subject to me. At any rate, maybe step off your high-horse for a minute and try to see it from another perspective next time. Who knows, you might just learning something yourself." CreationDate="2016-08-30T14:32:14.483" UserId="318029" />
  <row Id="21266" PostId="973" Score="10" Text="@SamAndrew81 There is a difference between learning and coming there to ask a question that even a ado can answer. At job we hire a lot of intern and even without any experience a lot of them just want to do network admin's job. If you are a newcomer that want to learn and did some research you will be welcome on SF, but SF is not for newcomer that searched nothing." CreationDate="2016-08-30T18:12:08.867" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21267" PostId="973" Score="3" Text="@SamAndrew81 I the intervening nearly 6 years things have got much worse. SF is a a river of crappy questions that that even a modicum of effort would find but people are  just too lazy and want someone else to read the docs for them. SF's scope has been downgraded to hell desk for stakoverflow." CreationDate="2016-08-30T20:19:09.780" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21320" PostId="973" Score="1" Text="SO is trying to build a Q&amp;A site. And &quot;how do i setup a port forward on linux&quot; is a question, which fits. It should be a short question and a short answer without any duplicates, but when it's there, every user searching for it profits. You can discuss what's the base knowlege of a professional admin, but the field is diverse and a windows admin may need to google some linux basics when getting the job of maintaining a linux system as well. And SF tries to build a more reliable knowledge base than some &quot;here's how i did a port forward&quot; blog article." CreationDate="2016-09-25T22:41:59.113" UserId="93182" />
  <row Id="1567" PostId="975" Score="9" Text="I really like and agree with Evan's comment on that thread. -- **Personally, I don't care whether a question is coming from someone &quot;sitting at home&quot; or from &quot;a corporate environment&quot;. I make the call on answering (or voting to migrate) based on whether or not the question and my answer will, later on, be helpful to someone who is a professional sysadmin**" CreationDate="2010-11-22T23:35:41.097" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1568" PostId="975" Score="0" Text="I agree, @Zoredache.  I have considered that statement in retrospect on several occasions since." CreationDate="2010-11-22T23:43:31.373" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1569" PostId="975" Score="1" Text="The question is, are these kinds of questions going to be useful to a professional sysadmin later on?" CreationDate="2010-11-23T02:00:26.270" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1604" PostId="976" Score="1" Text="-1 &quot;a SERVER isn't represented by the type of Hardware&quot; - When we're talking about hardware, labeling it a *server* is on basis of the *hardware*." CreationDate="2010-11-29T14:28:20.760" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1580" PostId="977" Score="2" Text="Mac Pro's i can see the case for being servers (heck that's what OSX Servers where BEFORE there was an X-Server) mac mini's ARE NOT SERVERS, they are glorified laptops. Actually ... looking at the apple store ... Mac pros ARE servers with crappy HD's and spiffy video cards. Also i'm open to re-evaluation if apple decides to update the mac mini specs, but my guess is they are using them to compete w/ Windows Home Server (which is also off topic here)." CreationDate="2010-11-23T15:25:36.627" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1583" PostId="977" Score="5" Text="@Zypher *Please note the following is my opinion* I think your being very short sighted in your view of what they are capable of, however I do respect your right to an opinion. Mine however differs strongly. I work for a company that has 5000+ users and 15000+ at peak include 900+ off site locations. Off those, 1500+ is Mac users, served by **big surprise** 2 Mac Mini servers, providing full Mac OSX server functionality and joined to a full AD domain. So my response is based on actual experience in an environment where they are considered servers." CreationDate="2010-11-23T16:26:20.047" UserId="14678" />
  <row Id="1600" PostId="978" Score="1" Text="Good idea, though the answers below have pointed out wording issues we'd have to resolve for each." CreationDate="2010-11-29T13:37:02.997" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1584" PostId="979" Score="0" Text="I don't believe I've ever run into one. Weird." CreationDate="2010-11-23T22:01:12.327" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1593" PostId="979" Score="0" Text="Are you talking about phones handsets, or PBX questions?  Dealing with Voip equipment is very much within the responsibilities of many system administrators and is very closely related to networking." CreationDate="2010-11-25T19:08:22.910" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1601" PostId="979" Score="0" Text="What about running the iPhone/iPad Enterprise management?  That's a very SysAd function..." CreationDate="2010-11-29T13:38:40.447" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1605" PostId="979" Score="0" Text="Cell Phone questions are tricky. If they're related to corporate policy or connecting to an enterprise system in some way, I think they belong. Anything else however does not belong. PBX (et al) belong as Zoredache points out." CreationDate="2010-11-29T15:28:45.483" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1799" PostId="979" Score="0" Text="I only added this because at one point, there were a couple of questions regarding iPhones and encryption that were either closed as off topic or migrated to SU.  I didn't believe they should be closed or migrated as I support phones as a systems administrator." CreationDate="2011-01-19T14:30:28.013" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1582" PostId="980" Score="0" Text="Slightly overreacted I admit, but not totally of par. I do however feel it needs to be addressed since there was some strong opinions on various posts here on MSF. I respect the community here, but do feel there needs to be some guidance for users. The list is by no means correct, as with Super User just a start. I also feel the exclusion of something like the Apple Mac Mini is overreaction, but that is not sole reason for this suggestion." CreationDate="2010-11-23T16:22:30.567" UserId="14678" />
  <row Id="1599" PostId="980" Score="0" Text="I'm not a fan of the &quot;Direct End-User Support&quot; part either.  I'm an Exchange Engineer, what _should_ be a strictly back-end job, but I have to deal with the end-users all of the time..." CreationDate="2010-11-29T13:36:57.233" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1587" PostId="982" Score="0" Text="I find it interesting (though not surprising) that we tend to think that mod_rewrite/etc would be more well suited over there and they think they should stay here. Oh well - thanks for linking to your question." CreationDate="2010-11-24T04:27:54.117" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1588" PostId="982" Score="1" Text="Yeah, our concept of 'webmaster' doesn't mesh with theirs." CreationDate="2010-11-24T06:14:47.637" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1603" PostId="982" Score="2" Text="+1, I have to agree with sysadmin on both accounts, they should stay on SF and our def. of &quot;webmaster&quot; is different. **The main problem I have with these questions is that they are usually asked by people who have not looked at the documentation. Or more commonly by people who saw the documentation, went instantly to &quot;tl;dr&quot;, followed by &quot;Ask Question&quot;...** It's not that they are off-topic." CreationDate="2010-11-29T14:17:30.367" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1589" PostId="983" Score="0" Text="Thanks Mark. I'll be watching that meta discussion to see what happens. Also, see the update I just added for some more information/ideas/arguments." CreationDate="2010-11-24T21:35:38.013" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1590" PostId="983" Score="0" Text="I see you, in essence, covered the same things as I did in my update. Not sure if I have anything more to add...I'm not really a member of that community, so I don't feel I have the &quot;right&quot; to raise my voice at this point." CreationDate="2010-11-24T21:50:30.937" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1591" PostId="983" Score="0" Text="@ErikA - you're a member of the community at large, so I think you've got every right. The people on webmasters mostly come from Stack Overflow, so they don't have the same insights into server fault as we do. They need to know our opinion. As a mod I need to be a bit careful about expressing my opinion lest it be perceived that I'm &quot;laying down the law&quot;" CreationDate="2010-11-24T21:52:49.300" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1592" PostId="983" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. Answer posted. :)" CreationDate="2010-11-24T22:09:33.783" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1594" PostId="985" Score="2" Text="Good points. I guess I'm just sick of seeing the same few basic questions float around time and time again, but they do provide a great level of entry for newbies." CreationDate="2010-11-26T01:10:33.950" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1597" PostId="985" Score="1" Text="It drives me nuts, too. I was more or less playing devil's advocate, then the last point convinced me." CreationDate="2010-11-29T13:25:50.193" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="2877" PostId="985" Score="0" Text="&quot;there's bound to be a lot of frustration for someone trying to build up rep, when every question has a good answer already.&quot; -- wouldn't that *also* be the system &quot;working as intended&quot;?" CreationDate="2011-07-17T05:20:29.337" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2879" PostId="985" Score="0" Text="Well, if I'm trying to find an answer to a problem, finding 5-10 *high quality* questions with answers already provided has got to help me more than finding just 1 or 2. There's a good blurb somewhere (from Jeff, I think) about near-duplicate questions being fine, so long as they ask the question in a slightly different way. Results being a greater chance that the search engine spits us out to answer similar queries." CreationDate="2011-07-17T05:30:27.070" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="2880" PostId="985" Score="1" Text="I think the same mindset that draws us to sysadminning might draw us toward seeking efficiency here. It took a while for me to appreciate the efficacy of ...keyword saturation (I guess?) winning out over my desire to have a tidy ratio of one question PER question." CreationDate="2011-07-17T05:35:11.847" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1726" PostId="986" Score="0" Text="We just got a Mac mini at work so we can support a growning number of Mac users.  It says Mac Mini Server on the box." CreationDate="2011-01-07T17:47:45.420" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="1598" PostId="988" Score="0" Text="That's a good point.  Mac admin isn't quite as ubiquitous as some other OS bases, but I don't want to inadvertently exclude them." CreationDate="2010-11-29T13:35:04.980" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1602" PostId="988" Score="0" Text="Agreed.  That statement basically excludes MacOS Server.  Additionally, Apache is still a webserver even if it's running on a machine that somebody sits at.  Apache doesn't compile or execute any differently if it's on someone's workstation versus on a rack-mounted server." CreationDate="2010-11-29T13:40:31.130" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1606" PostId="988" Score="0" Text="I agree that outright banning certain hardware goes too far. The issues comes when people have problems getting Enterprise Requirements out of Consumer Hardware. The other day someone had issues with a Via RAID chipset and some new disk drives. It's likely a compatibility issue. This is a chunk of the price in Enterprise Hardware (known compatibility and a warranty that stands behind that). In that case it was a Dell Server, but 3rd party HDs (consumer grade SATAs)." CreationDate="2010-11-29T16:09:37.367" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1595" PostId="990" Score="2" Text="I think you need to post a screenshot of what you're seeing, as I'm not sure which box you're talking about" CreationDate="2010-11-29T02:03:25.013" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1596" PostId="991" Score="3" Text="Agreed but it's in the nature of *nix to fragment. Those in the Linux community that think it's somehow magically different from Unix are doomed to repeat Unix's history without even noticing... or something like that." CreationDate="2010-11-29T06:47:43.817" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1611" PostId="992" Score="0" Text="Yeah it is the dotted box, but sometimes it be full red or full green what do it mean?" CreationDate="2010-12-02T16:49:00.240" UserId="25133" />
  <row Id="1612" PostId="992" Score="0" Text="I told you already." CreationDate="2010-12-02T17:47:24.190" UserId="9007" />
  <row Id="1607" PostId="993" Score="0" Text="Personally I have no problem with the mod_rewrite questions being moved there, but unfortunately I can't speak for the community as a whole. It will be a nice distraction from all the damn SEO questions. I guess you can just test the waters and see what happens. If worst comes to worst, we can just migrate them back ;)" CreationDate="2010-11-30T04:18:53.807" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1608" PostId="994" Score="0" Text="When you make them synonyms, you can just add the a new synonym in 2 years and it will automatically associate all of them." CreationDate="2010-12-01T15:36:52.163" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1609" PostId="994" Score="0" Text="Aha - did not know that. But will it address the issue of searching via Google - do the synonyms also get grabbed by the Google crawler? (Or any other search engine?)" CreationDate="2010-12-01T16:01:10.773" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="1610" PostId="994" Score="0" Text="That was kind of my point too about search engines indexing [ibm-i] and not [as400] (which would probably get more hits) although I'm not sure I made that totally clear in my answer :/" CreationDate="2010-12-01T21:35:20.950" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="1623" PostId="995" Score="2" Text="New features are commonly tested on SO, they're distributed to the other sites once they're vetted." CreationDate="2010-12-06T02:15:46.540" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1620" PostId="998" Score="0" Text="how do I contact a moderator?" CreationDate="2010-12-05T15:25:48.360" UserId="62550" />
  <row Id="1621" PostId="998" Score="0" Text="You may need to associate your accounts if you did not do so the first time you were prompted (when you created the account on the additional sites). [Check here first](http://serverfault.com/users/62550?tab=accounts). If it's not there to be associated, contact SF using the &quot;Contact US&quot; address at the very bottom of every page." CreationDate="2010-12-06T02:09:34.780" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1626" PostId="999" Score="1" Text="Not really got any links, if only because there are too many to mention, but the questions that grind my teeth both here and in real life are the &quot;do my homework/job for me&quot; questions. Oh and in a slightly different sense, the junk that gets blindly migrated here from SO because people get as far as reading there's some kind of hardware involved and blindly click the vote to migrate button without really thinking about where to migrate to." CreationDate="2010-12-06T23:34:32.790" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1630" PostId="999" Score="0" Text="Whoah, have I just not been paying attention? When did you get mod status? Congrats." CreationDate="2010-12-07T21:56:20.907" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10479" PostId="999" Score="0" Text="I just spotted this monstrosity;&#xD;&#xA;&#xD;&#xA;[http://serverfault.com/q/511441/1435][1]&#xD;&#xA;&#xD;&#xA;&#xD;&#xA;  [1]: http://serverfault.com/q/511441/1435" CreationDate="2013-05-28T16:31:21.270" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="1624" PostId="1000" Score="1" Text="Although I don't feel either question is exactly &quot;on-topic&quot;, at +355/-7 for Names and +42/-2 for Phrases, I think the SF-community's opinion is quite undivided." CreationDate="2010-12-06T15:43:11.147" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1625" PostId="1000" Score="1" Text="@jscott the coolest server names was acutally a SO question that got migrated when SF went live and accumulated most of it's votes there." CreationDate="2010-12-06T19:39:40.057" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1627" PostId="1000" Score="0" Text="Well I'm game to vote for it to close again, questions like that are a waste of bits imo." CreationDate="2010-12-06T23:37:06.660" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1628" PostId="1000" Score="0" Text="+1 Both those questions should have been closed immediately, instead of being fed with equally useless answers. BTW, the question being asked and answered here is no better." CreationDate="2010-12-07T02:44:05.887" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1631" PostId="1001" Score="1" Text="+1 &quot;Spoon-feed-me&quot; questions.. Doesn't the site say something about being for &quot;Professionals&quot;?" CreationDate="2010-12-07T23:09:36.393" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1633" PostId="1008" Score="5" Text="For me it's because I am married. Don't know about other people. Oh, False. I read it as &quot;wrong.&quot;" CreationDate="2010-12-09T15:39:59.500" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="1634" PostId="1008" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/71780/lol-debugging-are-we-so-homepage-alerts-false" CreationDate="2010-12-09T16:42:23.943" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1635" PostId="1012" Score="4" Text="Because professionals wouldn't split hairs like that." CreationDate="2010-12-10T19:32:20.543" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1637" PostId="1012" Score="0" Text="@Chopper Not even an explanation?" CreationDate="2010-12-10T19:50:26.783" UserId="44213" />
  <row Id="1638" PostId="1012" Score="2" Text="How's this; closed as subjective and argumentative by Chopper3♦ 1 hour ago&#xA;It's impossible to objectively answer this question; questions of this type are too open ended and usually lead to confrontation and argument. Plus it's just an extremely stupid question." CreationDate="2010-12-10T20:50:11.920" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="1639" PostId="1012" Score="0" Text="@Cho That's offensive, but anyways, I simply wanted to know why exclude laptops? What's stupid about that?" CreationDate="2010-12-10T21:09:30.040" UserId="44213" />
  <row Id="1640" PostId="1012" Score="1" Text="It's stupid because nobody in their right mind would differentiate the two, it just says desktop because that's the word chosen, it limits nobody." CreationDate="2010-12-10T21:28:38.530" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="1641" PostId="1012" Score="0" Text="@Chopper Can you reword it then, to avoid further exposure on user stupidity?" CreationDate="2010-12-10T21:33:10.690" UserId="44213" />
  <row Id="1642" PostId="1012" Score="5" Text="If I did reword it I'd have to start with &quot;I'm trying to create a needless argument over something anyone can see isn't an issue, but let's forget about using our brains for a moment....&quot; - so best not." CreationDate="2010-12-11T10:02:09.777" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="1700" PostId="1013" Score="1" Text="+1 for a civilized answer." CreationDate="2010-12-31T23:07:20.400" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="1644" PostId="1014" Score="2" Text="It's worth noting that from what I've seen so far nobody else has had a problem with that wording and we see a fair number of questions relating to the administration of multiple laptops." CreationDate="2010-12-12T21:43:55.123" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1650" PostId="1017" Score="0" Text="Flagging as spam does have the benefit of getting the flag in front of more eyeballs (&gt;10k rep users) to possibly get it deleted, but is that an abuse of the system? I guess my question more is: do the SE mods want the spam flag to be used for real bonafide spam or can it be used for this sort of thing as well? I'm all in favor of using it for pointless/noise answers, but just want to be sure we don't run afoul of the way the site is meant to be run." CreationDate="2010-12-16T15:20:21.297" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1652" PostId="1017" Score="0" Text="I was under the impression that the &quot;Spam&quot; flag has ramifications further than just deleting the answer, such as -100 reputation and possibly sanctions. The &quot;Not an answer&quot; reason I propose would just blow the post away without any negative effects. Naturally if a user were getting loads of these flags I'd expect consequences, but that would be at a moderators discretion." CreationDate="2010-12-16T20:52:40.160" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="22060" PostId="1017" Score="0" Text="**Don't flag these as spam.** It's the wrong flag and has ramifications, as Ben mentions." CreationDate="2017-06-25T00:26:28.287" UserDisplayName="user162327" />
  <row Id="1648" PostId="1020" Score="1" Text="I feel, strongly, that any tags of that sort would be far too subjective. But please feel free join the conversation [over in this MSF question](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/490/fundamentals-tag)." CreationDate="2010-12-16T11:05:19.110" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1649" PostId="1020" Score="2" Text="&quot;where would newbies go if they are learning to become IT Pro's&quot;? Somewhere else of course. SF is for those who already ARE pros. At least that's what the FAQ says. No new tag is required. A new site perhaps but not a tag." CreationDate="2010-12-16T11:33:25.213" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1655" PostId="1020" Score="0" Text="Kewl :) this type of clarification needs to be confirmed ... and i would love to know where the newbies should go, so we can direct their questions to there, etc. @ question poster :: Great question, IMO :)" CreationDate="2010-12-17T00:39:46.547" UserId="58" />
  <row Id="1651" PostId="1021" Score="2" Text="I would urge you to [read the FAQ](http://serverfault.com/faq), it already addresses some of your concerns. If you do not feel the FAQ is accurate or clear enough, perhaps you should bring it to MSF or chat for discussion." CreationDate="2010-12-16T20:36:56.427" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1653" PostId="1021" Score="0" Text="As very clearly stated in the FAQ this site is for those of us who are already pros. Nevertheless, those who don't qualify can get a LOT of benefit from reading both the questions and answers. It's just that we don't need the site made worthless by being swamped with inappropriate questions (or answers)." CreationDate="2010-12-17T00:29:49.363" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1654" PostId="1021" Score="1" Text="Very good points there @Sam ... but like i asked in my reply, does SF strickly need to cater to non-newbies? it's not a right or wrong question, but just an opinion of the stackexchange owners ... and as a user of the SF site (and as the posted has asked) ... some clear clarification would be nice." CreationDate="2010-12-17T00:37:36.407" UserId="58" />
  <row Id="1656" PostId="1021" Score="1" Text="Agreed. i myself always try to ask questions in appropriate places, so i was merely defending other newbies and trying to release the 'sickness feeling' of the poster. thanks for comments!" CreationDate="2010-12-17T02:40:33.560" UserId="62346" />
  <row Id="1661" PostId="1022" Score="6" Text="Why are you taking it *personally*?  Most times, things are moved if we (more than one) think you'll have a better chance of having your question answered on a sister site, which it was..so not really sure why you had/have a problem with it." CreationDate="2010-12-17T12:51:27.013" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1663" PostId="1022" Score="1" Text="I don't know about you, but I don't tend to *decide* what things to take personally. The thing that upset me most was the double &quot;5 people voted to move it there&quot; brushoff." CreationDate="2010-12-17T12:59:44.757" UserId="44255" />
  <row Id="1664" PostId="1022" Score="4" Text="Without sounding like Dr. Phil, you are in complete control of how you decide to take things." CreationDate="2010-12-17T13:01:34.520" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1670" PostId="1022" Score="1" Text="I voted to move because I felt that this wasn't a network administration question - this problem would occur regardless of whether this windows 2003 server was a domain controller at the heart of a 50,000 user network or a copy you'd downloaded from MSDN and stuck on an old laptop for LOLs. I also felt that this wasn't an OS dependant question and even if it was, Operating system is not the defining point of where a question should belong. This is nothing to do with you being welcome (you are) or unwelcome *and everything to do with the contents of that particular question*." CreationDate="2010-12-17T18:14:27.870" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1657" PostId="1023" Score="0" Text="OK - So why did you vote to move it to superuser?" CreationDate="2010-12-17T11:11:21.380" UserId="44255" />
  <row Id="1658" PostId="1023" Score="0" Text="Because 5 different users voted to move it there." CreationDate="2010-12-17T11:15:15.777" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="1659" PostId="1023" Score="2" Text="That's not at all helpful." CreationDate="2010-12-17T11:49:37.400" UserId="44255" />
  <row Id="1660" PostId="1023" Score="4" Text="Because you gave us very little information at all to work off and your problem is almost certainly generic, that it's on a server of some sort is unlikely to be part of the issue." CreationDate="2010-12-17T11:52:47.007" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="1662" PostId="1023" Score="4" Text="@seanyboy - I voted to send it to SU because I thought your most likely to get a better and quicker answer over there." CreationDate="2010-12-17T12:51:56.250" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="1667" PostId="1023" Score="8" Text="@chopper3 I think when someone writes up a long meta post in good faith they probably should be extended the courtesy of a more detailed response..." CreationDate="2010-12-17T14:27:05.270" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1668" PostId="1023" Score="1" Text="@Jeff, it wasn't long originally, it was two sentence before his edit, the reason it was migrated was because 4 people before me thought it was better moved. I can't speak for those four people but the reason it was migrated was simply &quot;because 5 different users voted&quot;. Do we really need to change the 'move' form to include justifications for people who write a bad question then put oceans more time into boohoo'ing about it on meta than they did into the original question or even the original whine? If so that's not mod'ing it's babysitting and I don't have time to wipe oversensitive chins." CreationDate="2010-12-17T15:31:31.443" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="1669" PostId="1023" Score="3" Text="So are you saying you would vote to move any question that had 4 move votes already?" CreationDate="2010-12-17T16:23:01.570" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="1676" PostId="1031" Score="6" Text="Upvoting basically means you agree or significantly approve of the content of a comment. There's no way to disagree with a comment, hence the lack of reputation possibilities attached to comments." CreationDate="2010-12-19T06:00:04.397" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1677" PostId="1032" Score="2" Text="I appreciate your answer, very useful food for thought.  Are you proposing a new area for &quot;old-timers&quot; in the context of a different subject or a different site?" CreationDate="2010-12-20T23:52:27.023" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1678" PostId="1032" Score="1" Text="Mostly what I meant was -- if you're bored with the topics on Server Fault, maybe go learn a new programming language and participate on Stack Overflow, or mathematics on math.stackexchange, or business on answers.onstartups.com, or learn the game of bridge by going to a local bridge club!" CreationDate="2010-12-21T00:18:26.210" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="1679" PostId="1032" Score="4" Text="your answer has failed to take into account the major difference between SO and SF, apart from the subject matter itself. i.e. SO is intended for both amateurs and professionals, whereas SF is intended for professionals only. As a result we need to take a rather different approach in determining what questions are appropriate or not. Questions from amateurs should be made welcome on SO but should be actively discouraged on SF, hence the very question Mark has asked here." CreationDate="2010-12-22T04:17:25.610" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1680" PostId="1032" Score="10" Text="I don't think that anything about my answer implied that this shouldn't be a site for professionals. Whether or not we approve of it, there are an awful lot of people being paid to manage servers who do not know how to use a command line, write a mod_rewrite rule, or get port forwarding to work. There are pro NT administrators who know so little about Unix that they look like rank amateurs when they have to face a Unix box, and vice versa. Most of the questions I'm talking about here could very well be asked by professionals." CreationDate="2010-12-22T04:22:26.247" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="2878" PostId="1032" Score="2" Text="&quot;an answer deserves about the same amount of effort as the question got&quot; -- doesn't that just expand the scope of the problem, to the point where you end up with a lot of dross questions *and* answers?  As for &quot;pro NT admins working in Unix&quot;, a key part of being a professional is not working outside your scope of knowledge.  If you don't know what you're doing, you're being unprofessional if you do that work." CreationDate="2011-07-17T05:23:29.437" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="6239" PostId="1032" Score="3" Text="&quot;Can I make a forum using Python&quot; is a far worse question than the actual question cited by the OP here. That should never have been allowed on Stack Overflow; answering it is *encouraging* and perpetuating the problem of lazy no-effort askers, not to mention the &quot;if you can imagine an entire book that answers your question, it's too broad&quot; rule that emerged later. (Yes, I realize this is an old answer, but it's kind of dangerously bad old advice in a few areas here.)" CreationDate="2012-05-26T23:42:52.577" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1682" PostId="1033" Score="1" Text="Belongs on Meta: http://meta.serverfault.com/" CreationDate="2010-12-23T07:46:45.633" UserId="32163" />
  <row Id="1683" PostId="1033" Score="4" Text="Please try to use proper English when contributing to this site. It's highly unprofessional to use abbreviations like &quot;pls&quot; and &quot;qns&quot;, and this site is for professionals only (see the [FAQ](http://serverfault.com/faq))" CreationDate="2010-12-23T21:56:44.147" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1685" PostId="1035" Score="0" Text="SU was suggested by someone else so I posted it there - http://superuser.com/questions/226093/what-does-this-diagnostic-output-mean" CreationDate="2010-12-27T18:45:31.690" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="1684" PostId="1036" Score="0" Text="I did think SU at first, but as the problem was **not** with my equipment but with either the ISP's or the telecom's I thought it would be definitely off topic over there." CreationDate="2010-12-27T00:09:59.963" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="1688" PostId="1036" Score="1" Text="@ChrisF, it's still a question from an &quot;End User's point of view&quot;, so it definitely belongs on SU. Questions on SF should always come from a SysAdmin's point of view." CreationDate="2010-12-29T05:33:31.533" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1689" PostId="1036" Score="0" Text="@Chris - point taken and indeed I did post on SU." CreationDate="2010-12-29T08:36:12.780" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="1686" PostId="1038" Score="0" Text="if the question is really old, then it won't be brought up on the front page." CreationDate="2010-12-28T14:20:32.007" UserId="56298" />
  <row Id="1687" PostId="1038" Score="0" Text="provided new answer based on comments." CreationDate="2010-12-28T14:27:18.560" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="1693" PostId="1038" Score="0" Text="I just used tumbleweed badge as a way to shorten the title. Thanks for the tip on reading good questions, I'll be sure to check them out." CreationDate="2010-12-30T14:58:52.623" UserId="56298" />
  <row Id="1690" PostId="1041" Score="0" Text="+1 for the n00b article :)" CreationDate="2010-12-29T18:12:56.187" UserId="58001" />
  <row Id="1691" PostId="1041" Score="12" Text="+1 for the wikipedia tone." CreationDate="2010-12-30T02:57:12.947" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6525" PostId="1041" Score="0" Text="Also explained on http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/13231/what-does-do-you-haz-teh-codez-mean" CreationDate="2012-07-02T23:35:15.733" UserId="3243" />
  <row Id="1692" PostId="1043" Score="0" Text="Apologizes, it's just my fault, I have answered to an other question (mixed up with questions). I'll pay more attention from now on. Apologizes." CreationDate="2010-12-30T08:23:37.793" UserId="34853" />
  <row Id="1694" PostId="1044" Score="0" Text="its generally just me answering my own questions, and bounty is not cheap. I know in serverfault there are almost no questions with bounty on them so it will get attention quick, but I don't find winning rep as easy as it sounds." CreationDate="2010-12-30T15:00:45.273" UserId="56298" />
  <row Id="1701" PostId="1046" Score="1" Text="Which of course make much more sense than creating tags without questions. :)" CreationDate="2011-01-01T10:21:56.573" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1704" PostId="1049" Score="2" Text="I have to agree with this. I'd almost be tempted to go further and say the difference is also the equipment used. If someone is using a &quot;home&quot; broadband router in their small office with 3 computers, is that a SF or SU question? While its pertinent to us in one way, they may get better answers to a question on a home router on SU." CreationDate="2011-01-02T22:14:33.477" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1706" PostId="1049" Score="1" Text="I agree with Robert. If I was to run a free service from my home in a manor completely consistent with Enterprise best-practices, I would expect that to belong on SF. Similarly if I was to run a completely unprofessional network consisting of a $20 SOHO router and 3 Win98 machines, asking 'Why FireFox 3.6 Wont Install&quot; I would expect that to be Off-Topic." CreationDate="2011-01-03T15:09:59.520" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1708" PostId="1049" Score="0" Text="Great. I run a Cisco ISR at home...I would almost feel like cheating if I asked questions about it on SF, but now I feel empowered &gt;&gt;SMILE&lt;&lt;" CreationDate="2011-01-04T05:15:12.883" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="1709" PostId="1049" Score="1" Text="Even with the language change we'll still get a steady drum-beat of people asking the, &quot;I'm setting up a dev server for some friends, how do I share it with them,&quot; type. Or the occasional, &quot;I want to do hosting from my house!&quot; question." CreationDate="2011-01-04T05:47:50.107" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1714" PostId="1049" Score="0" Text="too true, but at least we can now say &quot;Please read the FAQ&quot; and it specifically states something about home rigs." CreationDate="2011-01-06T00:47:35.787" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1707" PostId="1051" Score="1" Text="Unless you see a difference between [$OS networking](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/linux+networking) and [$OS-networking](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/linux-networking).. I still think that the latter should be replaced with the former. The former is more widely used and I doubt we will be making a variant of the latter for every OS." CreationDate="2011-01-03T19:39:10.010" UserId="58001" />
  <row Id="11645" PostId="1053" Score="0" Text="Thank you so much! So I should definitely think about making excess edits myself on my own questions. I didn't know it would turn a question CW. As a user with low reputation, even an excellent question (which may gain you 5 upvotes the next months) will no longer gain you reputation, so in fact _you're shooting yourself in the foot_!! If a diamond mod reads this, can I please have my CW status revoked on that one? Thanks. http://serverfault.com/questions/244944/linux-ata-errors-translating-to-a-device-name/426561 I would definitely not shed a tear when this silly CW thing goes away one day." CreationDate="2013-09-18T22:37:45.900" UserId="135597" />
  <row Id="17858" PostId="1053" Score="0" Text="`once it has gone CW, it is CW for good` Good for what/where/who ? I cannot see any reason why community could take ownership when they have even not take time to answer the OP and without upvoting the OP nor Answer...is it because spelling corrections brings to CW ?" CreationDate="2015-05-02T17:58:15.463" UserId="201677" />
  <row Id="1710" PostId="1054" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure Jeff's wording is a softening. Yes, the @home issue is implicit in the existing wording, I was attempting to add some explicitness to it. We've had meta-debates about similar issues (http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/465/perception-of-purpose, http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/973/sick-of-unprofessional-questions) my proposal was for a minor wording tweak to reflect some of that. Jeff's went a bit further." CreationDate="2011-01-05T02:45:45.523" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1713" PostId="1054" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138, I wasn't referring to Jeff's wording, which hadn't been posted yet. I was referring to softening the differentiation between professional IT and home stuff." CreationDate="2011-01-05T03:24:46.643" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1711" PostId="1055" Score="2" Text="Nice word-smithing!" CreationDate="2011-01-05T02:46:12.247" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1712" PostId="1055" Score="0" Text="Thanks Jeff, that's how I was interpreting things but now you've really cleared up that point. However, about the &quot;and IT professionals&quot; bit... I'm sure many of us have different interpretations for what is IT and I'd like to see some clarification for this context. e.g. Is someone working (professionally) as a unit assembler for a PC maker an IT professional? How about a photocopier service tech? Both are certainly professionals in IT related fields but would they qualify as IT professionals for SF? The FAQ as it stands says &quot;yes&quot;." CreationDate="2011-01-05T03:19:57.393" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1716" PostId="1055" Score="0" Text="@John, what's your specific suggestion? Dropping the &quot;and IT pros&quot; altogether? I agree with what you're trying to say, but simplifying it to just &quot;system administrators&quot; seems a bit narrow. Desktop support (help desk) should be welcome here, similarly DBAs, network engineers, etc." CreationDate="2011-01-06T00:50:53.630" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1717" PostId="1055" Score="0" Text="@Chris,  looking at what gets posted and what gets closed/moved, I think &quot;System Administrators&quot; (which should include things like DB admins, etc.) and Desktop support should cover it. I just think IT pros is too general and leaves the door wide open for those who think they belong on the site and then prove otherwise with their posts." CreationDate="2011-01-06T01:05:21.697" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1718" PostId="1055" Score="0" Text="@john so you think it should say &quot;desktop support professionals&quot;?" CreationDate="2011-01-06T02:14:41.920" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1721" PostId="1055" Score="1" Text="@Jeff, I think so. There is a difference between supporting a few computers at home or for family and friends and the same role at say a large company or school. While at first glance the difference might not be obvious in reality those who do desktop support in a professional capacity normally need to work within fairly tight limits and have to work in conjunction with the admins, or at least their policies. Continued below..." CreationDate="2011-01-06T21:54:40.877" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1722" PostId="1055" Score="0" Text="For those like myself who work in smaller companies desktop support is also very much part of the day to day tasks we perform. Also, the level of expertise most desktop pros have means that we shouldn't (and I really want to stress the word &quot;shouldn't&quot;) get too many SU type questions from them. However, questions regarding issues with those desktops on a corporate or similar network should in my opinion be on SF." CreationDate="2011-01-06T21:56:12.000" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1723" PostId="1055" Score="0" Text="@john fine, I changed it to &quot;desktop support professionals&quot;" CreationDate="2011-01-07T05:32:39.673" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1725" PostId="1055" Score="0" Text="I'm actually against the &quot;Desktop Professionals&quot; inclusion.  In my experience, DPs handle a localized problems (out at the leaves of the tree), and if the scope of the problem expands, they escalate to a SysAd.  DPs that think beyond that scope are usually promoted to SysAds (and in every case, it is a promotion, not just a change in job description.)  This has been the case in the Marine Corps, 3 enterprises, and two Software Dev SMBs (though I'm willing to acknowledge that it is not necessarily universal).  In my mind, SU was _THE_ place for Desktop Support Pros." CreationDate="2011-01-07T13:53:52.870" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1729" PostId="1055" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo, I'm of the opinion that hardware issues will be taken to SU, as they generally have been in the past, because that's where the appropriate expertise tends to be. When it comes to things like networking, policies (think GPO and the like) SF is definitely more appropriate and the desktop people should not be discouraged from asking such questions where they are appropriate. While desktop people may not have been involved in such areas where you have worked that is not the norm." CreationDate="2011-01-09T22:10:34.860" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1715" PostId="1057" Score="0" Text="Odd. Firefox doesn't seem to reliably indicate feed presence, and the one time it did, I only got the normal site question feed." CreationDate="2011-01-06T00:49:40.170" UserId="919" />
  <row Id="1720" PostId="1059" Score="0" Text="It's 13 of them." CreationDate="2011-01-06T12:04:25.873" UserId="3439" />
  <row Id="1743" PostId="1059" Score="0" Text="@Nifle, If it's from an Admin's prospective then probably yes. If it's from a users' prospective (As Robert Moir pointed out) then no." CreationDate="2011-01-12T15:33:22.767" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1724" PostId="1062" Score="0" Text="Well when Jeff said it was probably OK I asked one of our moderators to do it. And it was only 13 of them." CreationDate="2011-01-07T10:40:50.723" UserId="3439" />
  <row Id="1744" PostId="1062" Score="0" Text="@Nifle, questions that are obviously from an end user should be on SuperUser." CreationDate="2011-01-12T15:34:13.390" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1727" PostId="1063" Score="1" Text="I can confirm the firefox version of this bug for Safari on MacOS 10.6.6 as well." CreationDate="2011-01-09T14:54:31.387" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="1728" PostId="1063" Score="1" Text="+1 - also confirmed. Strongly recommend posting this on meta.stackoverflow.com as it will get more visibility there." CreationDate="2011-01-09T21:58:21.450" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1738" PostId="1066" Score="0" Text="The *old* hover pop-up had that. I added things to Ignored all the time. \*sigh\*." CreationDate="2011-01-11T18:47:56.533" UserId="57468" />
  <row Id="1730" PostId="1069" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I agree that suspicion must point to the poster of that one answer that wasn't downvoted. Imagine having to work alongside a person like that." CreationDate="2011-01-10T20:25:20.217" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1731" PostId="1069" Score="2" Text="@John I don't know, I think that's a big jump.  The poster in question has only 5 down votes of 110 total... So the four -1s on that question would be nearly *all* his down votes, ever, over 20+ months. Seems like a strange thing to do, on just one question." CreationDate="2011-01-10T21:07:40.340" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1732" PostId="1069" Score="0" Text="@jscott, I did notice that but not until after I'd posted that comment. I guess in this instance my suspicion is most likely incorrect but it is a pretty reasonable conclusion to jump to." CreationDate="2011-01-10T21:24:53.933" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1735" PostId="1069" Score="0" Text="I think someone on SO talked about &quot;tactical downvoting&quot; to keep your answer at the top of a list quite some time ago. Not saying that's what happened here, but I think it could happen. Of course downvoting a bunch of answers because they're *all* dreadful is perfectly valid - I have seen questions before where the answers were total trainwrecks." CreationDate="2011-01-10T22:23:57.313" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1736" PostId="1069" Score="0" Text="@Robert, that &quot;tactical downvoting&quot; would be pretty pointless for those who display the answers sorted by most recent. :)" CreationDate="2011-01-11T00:46:27.753" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1737" PostId="1069" Score="0" Text="@John yes it would - IIRC that it would... But there was an article on how to 'karma whore' on SO that suggested it, perhaps the ability to sort like that was added to counteract this technique? I don't know if that was a feature from day one of SO or something that was added." CreationDate="2011-01-11T06:53:17.233" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1733" PostId="1071" Score="1" Text="I thought that job only looked for users systematically downvoting individuals." CreationDate="2011-01-10T21:27:05.523" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1734" PostId="1071" Score="0" Text="@John: I think it also has provisions for question-level irregularities.  They frequently overlap." CreationDate="2011-01-10T22:06:04.367" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1739" PostId="1072" Score="0" Text="it wasn't a personal voting issue, just a pattern I'd never noticed before. The pattern is certainly not there now but when I posted it was as I said, all but one answer had been downvoted. i.e. One answer at 0, the rest at -1. Perhaps the script squillman referred to do a cleanup." CreationDate="2011-01-11T20:38:06.933" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1740" PostId="1073" Score="0" Text="Did you try clearing your local cached files and reloading the page?" CreationDate="2011-01-12T15:01:48.163" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1741" PostId="1073" Score="0" Text="@Chris S: Yes.  Just retried and I'm still getting the same.&#xA;However, going to http://serverfault.com/users/flair/26468 gives the correct number whilst http://serverfault.com/users/flair/26468.png doesn't.  Maybe this is caching somewhere, either my corporate network or our ISP. Hmm.." CreationDate="2011-01-12T15:11:54.660" UserId="26468" />
  <row Id="1742" PostId="1073" Score="0" Text="it's probably just the SE caching on their end then. It'll update in a few hours or so." CreationDate="2011-01-12T15:24:26.490" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1745" PostId="1074" Score="1" Text="Fair enough, I was just expecting the different themes to be cached at the same time and thus be in sync." CreationDate="2011-01-12T15:36:04.550" UserId="26468" />
  <row Id="1746" PostId="1077" Score="0" Text="Gigantic +1 for &quot;They define 'webmaster' differently than we do&quot;." CreationDate="2011-01-12T18:22:27.723" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1749" PostId="1077" Score="0" Text="Well that's a problem isn't it? If the webmasters site defines the term differently from us then that surely leaves a very large crack for things to fall into." CreationDate="2011-01-13T10:27:22.563" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1752" PostId="1077" Score="0" Text="@RobertMoir Sadly not unique, though. The sheer number of questions we get shipped from SO that get re-shipped to SU or closed outright shows we have divisions even within the original trilogy." CreationDate="2011-01-13T15:13:42.883" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="19986" PostId="1078" Score="0" Text="Is it still planned ?" CreationDate="2015-11-22T15:00:14.183" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="1747" PostId="1080" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your answer.  I am looking forward to making input if and when security.se takes off." CreationDate="2011-01-13T01:44:56.193" UserId="65041" />
  <row Id="1750" PostId="1080" Score="3" Text="I still maintain networking.se and security.se belong on ServerFault.  Create enough nitch groups that previously fell under SF and it's going to dilute the userbase." CreationDate="2011-01-13T14:56:20.813" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="2072" PostId="1081" Score="0" Text="Being able to specify multiple search terms in a single query would be great." CreationDate="2011-02-21T22:25:52.760" UserId="1101" />
  <row Id="1748" PostId="1082" Score="2" Text="Yes, I would, because I'm ignorant. Now get off my lawn!" CreationDate="2011-01-13T04:23:44.457" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1751" PostId="1082" Score="1" Text="At a local security professional group I participate in, many of the attendees are infrastructure people.  Certainly, you have those who specialize as well.  What's next, storage.se?  SF already is smaller than SU." CreationDate="2011-01-13T14:58:05.927" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1763" PostId="1082" Score="0" Text="@Warner, bear in mind that security questions which involve system administration don't normally get closed or moved. Those that have no such component don't belong on SF." CreationDate="2011-01-13T21:35:22.813" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1764" PostId="1082" Score="0" Text="@warner I'm not saying there's no overlap, just like there is overlap between programmers and sysadmins. But the roles and professions are quite clear." CreationDate="2011-01-13T22:21:14.503" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1773" PostId="1084" Score="4" Text="The FAQ says this site is for professionals only. Putting &quot;sez&quot; in your question is worse that fingernails on a chalkboard. I stopped reading your update right there." CreationDate="2011-01-14T17:21:57.820" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1774" PostId="1084" Score="0" Text="@chris can u remove the downvote; someone edited it to look *more professional*" CreationDate="2011-01-14T17:36:55.340" UserId="44213" />
  <row Id="1775" PostId="1084" Score="1" Text="@Tshepang, votes don't affect reputation on meta.SF" CreationDate="2011-01-14T18:13:10.757" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1776" PostId="1084" Score="0" Text="I edited the post to include the relevant questions, since that makes it a heck of a lot more readable -- please avoid putting lots of links in comments." CreationDate="2011-01-14T23:44:57.127" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1780" PostId="1084" Score="0" Text="@Jeff Ok, will avoid that. Note that that's not a comprehensive list, just stuff I got on the first page of [linux] tag." CreationDate="2011-01-15T06:26:33.517" UserId="44213" />
  <row Id="1781" PostId="1084" Score="0" Text="@Chris I'm not concerned about rep in this case. Your reason for downvoting was &quot;sez&quot;, and that means that you should remove your vote if that's fixed." CreationDate="2011-01-15T06:27:50.143" UserId="44213" />
  <row Id="1789" PostId="1084" Score="3" Text="Using &quot;u&quot; instead of &quot;you&quot; is just as bad as &quot;sez&quot;." CreationDate="2011-01-18T01:47:29.500" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1790" PostId="1084" Score="0" Text="@john Wow! So I can't go 'unprofessional' even on comments!" CreationDate="2011-01-18T08:14:27.317" UserId="44213" />
  <row Id="1798" PostId="1084" Score="1" Text="@Tshepang, you might also like to think about your incorrect and excessive use of exclamation marks." CreationDate="2011-01-19T03:26:36.810" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1888" PostId="1084" Score="3" Text="Note also that `.se` is a valid top-level domain name, and in fact  http://unix.se/ appears to be a completely valid and functional web site. Please don't use *.se (even with capitalized SE) as nicknames for stack exchange sites." CreationDate="2011-01-26T19:19:43.667" UserId="57468" />
  <row Id="2099" PostId="1084" Score="0" Text="@mattdm Someone suggested unix-SE. I think it's a great idea." CreationDate="2011-02-28T20:00:34.190" UserId="44213" />
  <row Id="2100" PostId="1084" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang — agreed." CreationDate="2011-02-28T20:27:22.210" UserId="57468" />
  <row Id="1765" PostId="1086" Score="0" Text="I've retagged a bunch, but I don't want to flood the front page, so I'll let it be for now" CreationDate="2011-01-14T03:37:41.093" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1766" PostId="1086" Score="2" Text="ok I merged and approved tons!" CreationDate="2011-01-14T10:40:37.067" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1768" PostId="1087" Score="0" Text="You have a tendency to just say __no__ without an explanation. Why do you wanna keep the generic questions here?" CreationDate="2011-01-14T10:55:56.377" UserId="44213" />
  <row Id="1769" PostId="1087" Score="5" Text="@tshe the explanation is there, you just don't like it." CreationDate="2011-01-14T11:15:19.130" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1771" PostId="1087" Score="1" Text="@Tshepang, the explination is there are two different types of questions related to *nix platforms, general usage and system administration. Cross-Posting is discouraged, but a question that is appropriate for both can be posted on either (and is likely to get an adequate response). The Unix &amp; Linux site is more closely related to SuperUser anyway." CreationDate="2011-01-14T15:26:52.530" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1772" PostId="1087" Score="0" Text="@chris I know that with current policy, those questions are as equally valid on SU as on unix.SE. So I guess the argument can change to which to migrate to? It's pretty clear that they don't fit here, since they are general usage. I've updated the question." CreationDate="2011-01-14T16:46:40.467" UserId="44213" />
  <row Id="1777" PostId="1089" Score="3" Text="Would be interested in any UK based conferences also :)" CreationDate="2011-01-13T16:40:43.777" UserId="36016" />
  <row Id="1808" PostId="1089" Score="1" Text="Agreed, any thoughts on Non-US conferences would be appreciated!" CreationDate="2011-01-20T08:41:09.247" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1778" PostId="1091" Score="0" Text="Ah, glad to see they got it off the ground." CreationDate="2011-01-13T18:34:59.807" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1779" PostId="1091" Score="0" Text="Yeah, me too. I think it's going to go really well!" CreationDate="2011-01-13T18:35:48.183" UserId="4392" />
  <row Id="1784" PostId="1096" Score="0" Text="Those with 3000 or more rep having voting rights and will generally deal with those questions (mostly) appropriately. Flagging them for closure merely adds to the mods' workload. Be patient, it really doesn't take all that long to rack up 3000 points. :)" CreationDate="2011-01-17T04:57:26.253" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1788" PostId="1097" Score="0" Text="You seem to have only observed two extremes. Contrary to what you say there ARE a lot of servers and other systems designed for medium sized businesses, as well as those for small and large." CreationDate="2011-01-18T01:42:17.387" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1800" PostId="1098" Score="1" Text="I agree. &quot;Server&quot; is far too generic, it doesn't help when searching and doesn't help to categorize or organize the questions." CreationDate="2011-01-19T17:58:11.537" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2462" PostId="1098" Score="0" Text="+1 for too generic, that is a better reason for deleting the tag rather than the OP's idea. Not all questions on here are [server] related, as pointed out by jscott above." CreationDate="2011-05-05T08:49:38.710" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="1785" PostId="1100" Score="0" Text="This is a very nice answer. Thanks." CreationDate="2011-01-17T05:27:03.023" UserDisplayName="JP19" />
  <row Id="1786" PostId="1103" Score="0" Text="Great. I didn't think of chat." CreationDate="2011-01-17T20:23:01.383" UserId="44213" />
  <row Id="1793" PostId="1103" Score="2" Text="I'm above average on the grammar-Nazi scale, but those guys are crazy." CreationDate="2011-01-18T21:24:30.750" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1794" PostId="1103" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure that I'd go back and edit a post anywhere based on that site but in some ways its the most interesting SE site to me. I mean I find computers interesting and all but its an area that is in my comfort zone and tends to have very defined answers, whereas the discussions on language are fascinating." CreationDate="2011-01-18T22:11:47.850" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1797" PostId="1103" Score="0" Text="the person who posted that item clearly didn't go to school the same place I did. Your grammar was not incorrect, nor was it ambiguous or confusing in the slightest to those of us who actually speak the language, as opposed to those who know only the theory. Kind of like the difference between those of us who do sysadmin work and somebody fresh out of school with a bunch of certificates but doesn't know the front of a server from the back." CreationDate="2011-01-19T03:23:45.523" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1796" PostId="1104" Score="0" Text="If he were to decide not to, or forgot to, that's up to him/her. Nobody is under any obligation to actually award bounty." CreationDate="2011-01-19T03:16:26.977" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1792" PostId="1105" Score="0" Text="Yes, thanks :) I was concerned that it was possible for the OP to forget to allocate them." CreationDate="2011-01-18T11:43:47.900" UserId="67108" />
  <row Id="1795" PostId="1105" Score="0" Text="While you were awarded bounty in this instance please remember that the OP can accept the answer and still award bounty to someone else. The two are quite separate." CreationDate="2011-01-19T03:14:37.990" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1834" PostId="1105" Score="0" Text="Seems like an odd system, &quot;I like your answer, but this other guy gets the bounty.&quot;" CreationDate="2011-01-21T17:58:21.090" UserId="62482" />
  <row Id="1848" PostId="1108" Score="0" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1143/2011-moderator-elections-town-hall-chat" CreationDate="2011-01-23T16:56:54.787" UserId="21550" />
  <row Id="1801" PostId="1112" Score="2" Text="@John - agree'd. I even found the concept of a primary foreign (I had to look it up, the only other time I'd ever heard of a &quot;primary&quot; was the first season of the TV show 24) - still, at least there won't be Kevin '07 campaign and then have the same political party blame us for voting for a person not a party when they stab him in the back." CreationDate="2011-01-19T21:43:43.627" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1802" PostId="1112" Score="0" Text="Looks like someone over at meta.stackoverflow has shared your sentiments: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/75527/its-over-nine-thousand-elections-available-only-to-high-rep-users" CreationDate="2011-01-19T22:04:33.183" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1803" PostId="1112" Score="1" Text="This talk of election &quot;primaries&quot; does seem to be a very American convention, which is a shame on a site that hopes to have world wide appeal." CreationDate="2011-01-19T22:07:25.737" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1804" PostId="1112" Score="1" Text="Yes, the concept of primaries is foreign to the majority of this planet's population. FWIW, I've never even been able to understand our own absurd (&quot;Westminster&quot;) political system. :(" CreationDate="2011-01-19T23:13:20.977" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1805" PostId="1112" Score="0" Text="Candidate-spam is an issue in some localities, though I myself have yet to sort through 30 candidates in a Primary Election. Judging by Jeff's answer, the 30 line is arbitrary, and a means to perform a minimum-quals sort similar to the 5%-in-previous-general-election rule used by many US States. With only 5 so far, I doubt we'll hit even 20, but I still don't like the 'ordered by rep' thing much." CreationDate="2011-01-20T00:45:55.133" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1806" PostId="1112" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138, maybe it's just me but I can't make heads or tails of what that means. I've never heard of a minimum-equals sort and that 5% thingy is a real mystery. Whatever happened to &quot;if you get more votes than me you win&quot;?" CreationDate="2011-01-20T01:13:45.490" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1807" PostId="1112" Score="0" Text="@John It's like the HR test before resumes get handed off to a hiring manager (if $MCITP=False, then Pass=False). States do kind of the same thing. In order to appear as a major party, a party must earn 5% (or something) or more of a Statewide election in the previous general election. Like the 10K limit on SO, it's a very significant barrier to participation." CreationDate="2011-01-20T01:45:15.997" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1813" PostId="1114" Score="0" Text="My memory is fuzzy. Right now it's 2000 minimum rep to put your hand up, but I can't precisely remember if it was that case when the nomination period started. I do know there were 3 mod positions available when it started, and has since been cut down to 2 positions. Don't know if they made some rep-changes at the same time." CreationDate="2011-01-20T17:18:05.113" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1816" PostId="1114" Score="0" Text="I think I remember it being a lower value, when it first went up.  It seems likely to me that they copied the settings from the elections being done on all the new se site being created that haven't been around for long." CreationDate="2011-01-20T20:20:39.793" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1817" PostId="1114" Score="1" Text="Nothing personal, but it seems pretty unlikely to me that a person with less then 2000 rep would get elected, even if you where able to be listed.  Not because you wouldn't make a good moderator, mostly just because you haven't been as active on the site as people with a higher reputation. In my mind reputation tells me how active you are on SF." CreationDate="2011-01-20T20:25:56.603" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1829" PostId="1114" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache - I understand that, and wasn't going to nominate myself, just interested that there was a box, then there wasn't :)" CreationDate="2011-01-21T09:30:45.293" UserId="36016" />
  <row Id="1815" PostId="1115" Score="0" Text="If you just want to say &quot;thanks&quot; then that is what the upvote button does - an upvote is a thank you. If you want to say *&quot;Thanks, your reply for Windows 2008 also works in Windows 2008r2, but you also have to....&quot;* then that is also helping others so worth adding." CreationDate="2011-01-20T17:46:42.367" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1823" PostId="1115" Score="1" Text="A quick look over the site will reveal that the very vast majority of votes, either up or down, are not accompanied by a comment." CreationDate="2011-01-21T00:12:22.390" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1811" PostId="1116" Score="3" Text="+1, Please refrain from using Salutations, Signatures, Thank You, etc." CreationDate="2011-01-20T14:00:13.863" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1812" PostId="1116" Score="1" Text="+1 This was also discussed recently in the IT Security beta's Meta:  http://meta.security.stackexchange.com/q/4/953" CreationDate="2011-01-20T14:52:27.113" UserId="54923" />
  <row Id="1818" PostId="1118" Score="0" Text="There is a screencap for you." CreationDate="2011-01-20T20:31:19.983" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1819" PostId="1118" Score="0" Text="Yipee! Community at its best." CreationDate="2011-01-20T20:31:53.793" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1820" PostId="1118" Score="1" Text="Gotta +1 the HDCs." CreationDate="2011-01-20T21:27:36.477" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1828" PostId="1118" Score="0" Text="I had a spate of edits to answers some time back where this didn't generate notifications me but clearly it's working as it should looking at Zoredache's screencap. Thanks all." CreationDate="2011-01-21T08:31:47.340" UserId="8517" />
  <row Id="1821" PostId="1120" Score="0" Text="+1 Don't waste screen space and clog the db just to give a one-word &quot;Thanks&quot;." CreationDate="2011-01-20T23:35:28.490" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1830" PostId="1121" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [rss feed for serverfault blog full post like SO](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1126/rss-feed-for-serverfault-blog-full-post-like-so)" CreationDate="2011-01-21T11:29:25.550" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1832" PostId="1121" Score="0" Text="http://wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/7425/various-wordpress-feeds-for-same-blog -- The /feed is the canonical uri for the feed that has the full content and doesn't double post. Will try to redirect when I find out the proper way to handle this." CreationDate="2011-01-21T13:12:00.183" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="1932" PostId="1121" Score="0" Text="Thanks Kyle, and good use of the wordpress site! you should probably answer this question as using the /feed url is exactly what i was after..." CreationDate="2011-02-01T13:25:13.800" UserId="12350" />
  <row Id="1822" PostId="1122" Score="0" Text="I'm presuming at this stage that it is google reader..." CreationDate="2011-01-21T00:05:51.760" UserId="12350" />
  <row Id="1824" PostId="1123" Score="0" Text="Also see: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1102/can-you-submit-the-blog-post-here-first-before-posting" CreationDate="2011-01-21T00:24:52.157" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1825" PostId="1124" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 - good point regarding the migration of questions off-site." CreationDate="2011-01-21T03:52:28.870" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1826" PostId="1125" Score="0" Text="At least one of our current mods has asked, &quot;Um, do I have to reapply?&quot; The answer to which was &quot;not this round&quot;. In other places Jeff Attwood has said that this'll be at least an annual event. Future mod-elections may include existing mods." CreationDate="2011-01-21T03:54:16.903" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1827" PostId="1125" Score="1" Text="Also, it doesn't look like this has been brought up on Meta.SO yet (though maybe my search-fu is too weak) so bringing it up there would be a good idea." CreationDate="2011-01-21T03:58:33.637" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1855" PostId="1125" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/984/should-community-moderators-be-elected-for-life-or-have-terms" CreationDate="2011-01-24T05:07:57.873" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1877" PostId="1125" Score="0" Text="@Warner Thanks for the link! I stumbled on it after posting this answer. That's always the way it goes. =|" CreationDate="2011-01-25T19:51:44.603" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="1972" PostId="1126" Score="0" Text="It's on my todo to fix this ... there are a couple of other issues that I need to address first that take priority" CreationDate="2011-02-05T06:59:10.433" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1843" PostId="1128" Score="2" Text="I would also downvote the ones you think are asked in bad faith, where the asker is not even demonstrating a willingness to do basic due diligence." CreationDate="2011-01-22T02:11:39.317" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1860" PostId="1128" Score="0" Text="Could the person who downvoted me please explain why?" CreationDate="2011-01-24T09:32:03.140" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="1878" PostId="1128" Score="0" Text="you've missed the context of this question and the answers. Nobody here (in this question) is talking about closing any door. There are other discussions on meta that do address that issue and I for one hold quite strong views on appropriateness, as you will see in those other discussions." CreationDate="2011-01-25T21:05:09.130" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="10545" PostId="1129" Score="1" Text="If you do that, it's probably best to then largely ignore the comment stream that inevitably follows." CreationDate="2013-06-08T22:02:00.440" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="1833" PostId="1131" Score="0" Text="Ive often seen questions get moved that, while they were based on home networks, had good info and would probably have held some useful info to the larger community." CreationDate="2011-01-21T17:55:59.190" UserId="62482" />
  <row Id="1835" PostId="1131" Score="0" Text="@ErnieTheGeek In my statistics gathering I noticed that home-network questions tend to gather about two answers here before migration to SU. There are some divisions about the topicality of home networking here." CreationDate="2011-01-21T17:58:40.813" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1836" PostId="1131" Score="2" Text="I agree, and the only problem with simply closing is that I miss &quot;not a real question&quot; as a reason.  Sometimes neither &quot;subjective and argumentative,&quot; &quot;too localized,&quot; nor &quot;noise or pointless&quot; seem quite right." CreationDate="2011-01-21T19:00:32.083" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1837" PostId="1131" Score="0" Text="I strongly agree about the close, unless you are certain the question is good question.  I even want it enough I think there should be a [dis-incentive](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/58642/adjust-the-system-to-slightly-discourage-migration-over-other-close-reasons) to migrating instead of closing.." CreationDate="2011-01-21T19:11:32.080" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1838" PostId="1131" Score="0" Text="Argh, more proof that my mind is going: the close reasons _arne't_ the same on meta. as on sf.  At one point I knew that..." CreationDate="2011-01-21T19:14:02.510" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1859" PostId="1131" Score="0" Text="I suspect, but can't say for certain, that before the option was removed more questions migrated from SO to SF were then migrated to SU. AFter all, a great many of those coming from SO should have gone to SU, not SF." CreationDate="2011-01-24T08:46:03.450" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1864" PostId="1131" Score="0" Text="@JOhnGardeniers I think you're right. I had a column on my chart for 'migrated' as an ultimate fate and nothing was. I had plum forgotten that multi-migrations had been disabled recently." CreationDate="2011-01-24T15:20:50.743" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1844" PostId="1132" Score="0" Text="I'll get to your questions later, Wesley.  I think they're good questions, but it's _late_." CreationDate="2011-01-22T09:29:13.400" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1839" PostId="1134" Score="0" Text="Yes, I have done that before. As I said in my question, I cannot remember what the solution / answer to the problem was." CreationDate="2011-01-21T23:35:47.547" UserId="31175" />
  <row Id="1840" PostId="1134" Score="1" Text="@Relequestual Another option is to flag-for-mod-attention the post and request closure. Also, I believe you can always delete your own posts." CreationDate="2011-01-21T23:36:57.167" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1841" PostId="1134" Score="1" Text="@rele I *always* upvote good helpful self-answers, and I am sure others do as well; so rest assured when you do this, you will get recognized for it!" CreationDate="2011-01-22T01:46:57.710" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1842" PostId="1135" Score="0" Text="&quot;If the question has value then it should be retained.&quot; definitely. And don't forget the Pee-Wee herman rule: is this person demonstrating that they could possibly be a smart contributor? http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/the-pee-wee-herman-rule/" CreationDate="2011-01-22T02:10:51.747" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1845" PostId="1136" Score="0" Text="Problem is, we've said this before (quite a few times too). People don't do it. The real question, how do we get people to do what they're supposed to?" CreationDate="2011-01-22T14:53:35.553" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1846" PostId="1136" Score="0" Text="@chris well it takes 3k rep to close, so that's a fairly experienced user. Do you have UI suggestions?" CreationDate="2011-01-22T21:10:26.003" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2090" PostId="1136" Score="0" Text="As a form of (very) basic sanity check, when users cast their migrate vote, check the tags against the target site and warn accordingly if you don't already do so. &quot;Not enough common tags with target site: does this question really deserve migration?&quot;" CreationDate="2011-02-23T22:04:31.480" UserId="26700" />
  <row Id="2092" PostId="1136" Score="0" Text="@badp I don't think I agree with that -- closing as off topic is the fallback and is *always* safe" CreationDate="2011-02-24T02:37:02.037" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2093" PostId="1136" Score="0" Text="I know it is; I thought prodding people to improve a question before migrating it couldn't hurt." CreationDate="2011-02-24T09:48:12.987" UserId="26700" />
  <row Id="4699" PostId="1137" Score="1" Text="Agreed. Being a &quot;professional&quot; means giving &quot;professional&quot; advice and in these situations the advice is to find a professional. It's not the answer that people what to hear, but it's the right answer." CreationDate="2012-01-12T08:58:39.420" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="1847" PostId="1142" Score="0" Text="Thanks, that was the answer I was looking for. I guess I felt some sort of social compliance to have questions &quot;completed&quot;" CreationDate="2011-01-23T16:00:41.760" UserId="31175" />
  <row Id="1849" PostId="1143" Score="2" Text="If it makes sense with SF's activity distribution and it's possible for the candidates we should try for 2 sessions -- I know the candidates have personal &amp; professional obligations but I'd like the broadest swath of the SF community to have an opportunity to interact with them &quot;live&quot;.  Just my $3.50" CreationDate="2011-01-23T19:38:34.883" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="1850" PostId="1143" Score="2" Text="In addition to the candidates having other commitments the timezone issue also needs to be considered. Any attempt to find a single time must work out badly for either the candidates, the general population, or both. I for one was still asleep when you wrote this notice." CreationDate="2011-01-23T21:02:27.063" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1851" PostId="1143" Score="1" Text="+1 John. I have no problem with this in general but it may turn out rather difficult to make it work in practice. Finding time when everyone can 'talk', not only when they are awake but not tied up with work or any other 'real life' thing may be an issue." CreationDate="2011-01-23T21:05:00.157" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1852" PostId="1143" Score="2" Text="@vore rebeccca is working on scheduling software and she'll update the post to clarify that" CreationDate="2011-01-23T21:35:03.353" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1868" PostId="1144" Score="0" Text="I agree that the use of meta would be better than chat. Even better yet would be to use a more traditional discussion forum. Pretty trivial to set up and it can be removed again when the election is over." CreationDate="2011-01-24T20:55:12.827" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1853" PostId="1145" Score="0" Text="That page loads but that's about it for me. Clicking the icons does nothing. Down the bottom there are just a bunch of &quot;Loading... &quot; messages but no activity." CreationDate="2011-01-24T00:28:47.367" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1854" PostId="1145" Score="0" Text="That page seems to be somewhat broken in any browser except for IE when I try view it." CreationDate="2011-01-24T00:40:48.990" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1862" PostId="1145" Score="0" Text="@John - you'd have to post a message on MSO or chat for Yi Jiang. I'm only passing the information along." CreationDate="2011-01-24T09:45:22.213" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="1863" PostId="1145" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache - you'd have to post a message on MSO or chat for Yi Jiang. I'm only passing the information along." CreationDate="2011-01-24T09:46:30.600" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="5299" PostId="1145" Score="0" Text="Given that this has been edited out of all recognition, as well as no longer being relevant, I thing it should be closed and deleted." CreationDate="2012-02-05T07:35:39.480" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1856" PostId="1146" Score="0" Text="Agreed - I'm not in chat very often normally, but with the election coming up one of the ways I'm judging candidates is by watching and interacting with them in the chat room..." CreationDate="2011-01-24T05:49:36.763" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="1867" PostId="1147" Score="0" Text="For the record, when the chat first open it tend to be very quite, but if nobody ever logged in it probably would have stayed that way.  If we want the room to be more active at other hours you might need to start lurking, if they see you in there other people might start showing up." CreationDate="2011-01-24T20:07:01.363" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1870" PostId="1147" Score="0" Text="Mark and I are in the same timezone. I don't use chat but (mainly because I was bored) I've poke my head in there a few times lately. I've seen no great activity there at those times and quite frankly  what I did see merely discouraged me from participating." CreationDate="2011-01-24T21:07:23.233" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1875" PostId="1147" Score="0" Text="there are ebbs and flows like any other chat function. Some times it'll go all day with 5 messages (so it seems). Other days I look away for 2 minutes and come back to 118 unread messages. This morning (EST) was quite active, it died around noon, picked up after lunch, and died again in the later afternoon. I think this is a strong reflection of the fact that many of us are at work and only actively chat when we're waiting on something or other." CreationDate="2011-01-25T03:44:04.060" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1861" PostId="1148" Score="1" Text="One thing I noticed about pro-tem moderator who _don't_ chat is that they tend to fall behind on the news of what they are able to do how, which I assume are relayed first on the mod-only chat rooms." CreationDate="2011-01-24T09:38:17.053" UserId="26700" />
  <row Id="1865" PostId="1148" Score="0" Text="@bapd - as a mod on another SE site I have to agree with you there, although I feel this could be much better improved by an official changelog." CreationDate="2011-01-24T19:24:59.550" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1866" PostId="1148" Score="0" Text="I'm glad to hear it" CreationDate="2011-01-24T19:34:00.647" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1869" PostId="1148" Score="0" Text="I heartily agree. On a personal level, while I am reading all the discussions related to the election (but not using chat) my voting will be determined not by what is being said or done NOW. Rather, it will be based on the how the candidates have interacted with the community over time, because I see that as far more important. Besides, we're all only too familiar with how people (think politicians) act around election time. ;)" CreationDate="2011-01-24T21:01:19.557" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1871" PostId="1149" Score="2" Text="There also the consideration that not everyone is equally comfortable with chat. Different media suit different people." CreationDate="2011-01-24T21:12:21.090" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1873" PostId="1155" Score="3" Text="There are times when a question really should be killed off but a later edit changes the entire meaning or context sufficiently to have it remain. Once a few votes have been cast there's a tendency for others to follow suit. Being able to retract the vote might tend to negate that a bit." CreationDate="2011-01-24T21:58:21.733" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1876" PostId="1155" Score="2" Text="I absolutely agree that it shouldn't be cast lightly - but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to change it. If you want to use the analogy of sentencing a question to death then a reprieve is possible there, as perhaps it should be here if the person goes back and edits their question to make it valid." CreationDate="2011-01-25T11:57:52.970" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1880" PostId="1155" Score="0" Text="@Robert - good point, I'm used to only voting to close blatantly bad/off-topic/duplicated questions, but subsequent edits may make retracting a vote worthwhile." CreationDate="2011-01-26T16:01:36.943" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="1872" PostId="1156" Score="1" Text="Ok, consider the issue raised again. It wasn't exactly discussed at length in the linked question and the highest voted of the two answers was in favour of being able to change or retract." CreationDate="2011-01-24T21:55:12.377" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1874" PostId="1158" Score="5" Text="Thanks. I knew the vanished but didn't realise it was after only 4 days. It would still be useful to have the option to change a vote though." CreationDate="2011-01-25T01:51:00.087" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="11837" PostId="1158" Score="1" Text="That is nice, but the OP above is correct. Often there are close votes AND feedback to an OP. The OP gets fixed, but it is too late because it got closed. This has happened to me multiple times on multiple SE sites. If you can give a close vote, you should be able to retract it. Just like an up/down vote." CreationDate="2013-10-16T16:20:27.360" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="1879" PostId="1161" Score="0" Text="This seems like a great way to clean up the vast pile of unanswered questions.  Sorting by votes is helpful, but there may be a good, answerable question in the middle of the pack that isn't getting attention/" CreationDate="2011-01-26T16:00:19.287" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="1903" PostId="1161" Score="0" Text="I think this is a great idea as well. Additionally I'm surprised I haven't seen any suggestions for lowering the minimum bounty one can put up. the way I see it, Lower bounty minimum = more bounties offered = more answers posted" CreationDate="2011-01-28T21:31:38.157" UserId="10139" />
  <row Id="1919" PostId="1161" Score="1" Text="@Jordan, I think anything less than 50 points really wouldn't be worth the bother and 50 points bounty generally gets no better answers than no bounty. On the other hand, I'd like to see the maximum set very much higher, say a few thousand or so. Even 500 points often doesn't attract good answers." CreationDate="2011-01-31T01:20:51.517" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1959" PostId="1161" Score="0" Text="@John, not worth the bother for you - and other 10k+ folks. But there are a lot more people with much lower reputation. Someone with 25 rep may be attracted enough to a bounty of 25 (100% of their current) to try to answer that question. Additionally someone with 100 rep is probably very unlikely to offer a bounty of 50 for a question they really want an answer to. Let the little people play I say." CreationDate="2011-02-02T13:57:30.607" UserId="10139" />
  <row Id="1960" PostId="1161" Score="4" Text="The issue of a smaller bounty should probably be moved to another question.  But consider this, you can already give someone 25 points for a good answer simply by upvoting &amp; accepting it.  A person who would be attracted by a bounty of 25 rep, would probably just answer the question, a bounty wouldn't really make a huge difference." CreationDate="2011-02-02T19:47:12.043" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1890" PostId="1162" Score="0" Text="This is not the correct place to discuss Area 51. I don't know what is the appropriate area but this is not it." CreationDate="2011-01-26T20:54:39.243" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1897" PostId="1162" Score="0" Text="I think the issue is *that particular question* was not great, I would not use it as a sweeping indemnification.." CreationDate="2011-01-27T11:04:47.683" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1898" PostId="1162" Score="0" Text="I've read this a few times and the bit I can't understand is why you think the closing of the question and the proposal are somehow linked. They're not. They were closed separately and for different reasons." CreationDate="2011-01-28T01:15:45.727" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1902" PostId="1162" Score="0" Text="@John Gardeniers: I don't think the closes are linked. I just thought that my question would fit in that Networking website. And as the proposal was closed as duplicated of ServerFault, so questions that fit Networking should be asked in ServerFault instead. But looks like my question wouldn't fit neither, as told in the answers. I would try SU, but the question is already answered. Maybe it should be moved." CreationDate="2011-01-28T18:41:34.907" UserId="68169" />
  <row Id="1881" PostId="1163" Score="0" Text="Nice explanation." CreationDate="2011-01-26T18:04:19.283" UserId="31148" />
  <row Id="1896" PostId="1164" Score="2" Text="I don't think network equipment can be logically separate enough from general systems administration for it to make sense as a separate site. I barely approve of the Security site, though most SAs would admit they don't know as much as they should about security (think that argument works for networking, most good SAs know as much as they should about networking). Otherwise, spot on." CreationDate="2011-01-27T02:43:15.537" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1891" PostId="1165" Score="1" Text="Better yet, go to a a site you think might be appropriate and read the FAQ. Then, based on that information, either post the question or keep looking for the correct place to post it." CreationDate="2011-01-26T20:56:04.717" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1882" PostId="1166" Score="0" Text="Getting the same, myself. 3 votes cast (and all 3 show in the candidate list) but I still see the reminder." CreationDate="2011-01-26T18:20:10.417" UserId="59856" />
  <row Id="1895" PostId="1166" Score="0" Text="Thanks all, just a misinterpretation of the wording on my part." CreationDate="2011-01-27T01:11:42.050" UserId="32692" />
  <row Id="1899" PostId="1166" Score="0" Text="Weirdly enough, after I vote in national elections I keep seeing these &quot;Vote for candidate X&quot; posters all over the place." CreationDate="2011-01-28T08:18:29.653" UserId="30111" />
  <row Id="1883" PostId="1167" Score="0" Text="Yup, that's the one.  Maybe you're right and it's just bad wording.  Thanks +1" CreationDate="2011-01-26T18:22:15.360" UserId="32692" />
  <row Id="1884" PostId="1167" Score="0" Text="+1 What's pointed out here is a System Message and displays for everyone regardless of having voted, or even if they're allowed to vote." CreationDate="2011-01-26T18:22:53.687" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1885" PostId="1167" Score="0" Text="Luls on our cross post. GET OUT OF MY HEAD!" CreationDate="2011-01-26T18:22:58.130" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="1886" PostId="1167" Score="0" Text="By &quot;final vote&quot; it means &quot;your votes for the final phase&quot;, so people don't see it and think &quot;I already voted in the primaries&quot;" CreationDate="2011-01-26T18:27:13.907" UserId="44689" />
  <row Id="1887" PostId="1168" Score="0" Text="I'm obviously spoiled with all the real-time stuff the stackexchange sites do that I expected too much on this occasion and jumped to a conclusion" CreationDate="2011-01-26T18:27:22.000" UserId="32692" />
  <row Id="1892" PostId="1168" Score="0" Text="I'm probably going to regret asking but what are &quot;lulz&quot;? It's clearly not English." CreationDate="2011-01-26T20:58:51.857" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1893" PostId="1168" Score="0" Text="@John Lulz are what make the luliverse go 'round! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lulz" CreationDate="2011-01-26T21:09:55.533" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="1894" PostId="1168" Score="3" Text="That's sad. Very sad." CreationDate="2011-01-26T21:11:56.990" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1907" PostId="1169" Score="0" Text="If it will disappear after 48 hours. How can I show it again?" CreationDate="2011-01-30T08:19:01.370" UserId="58024" />
  <row Id="1908" PostId="1169" Score="0" Text="@khaled you cannot, but there is an election topic on the relevant meta, and the url is simple to remember.. just add `/election` to the domain eg `serverfault.com/election`" CreationDate="2011-01-30T08:24:16.890" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1900" PostId="1172" Score="0" Text="Yep, I do these a lot, very easy to do actually - and flexible too - not 100% sure about the valid/invalid things though - is it valid if it's a valid question/answer or valid as a flag?" CreationDate="2011-01-28T17:32:43.183" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="1904" PostId="1172" Score="1" Text="@Chopper3: I was assuming it was valid as a flag ... but now that you ask..." CreationDate="2011-01-28T21:44:42.797" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="1905" PostId="1172" Score="0" Text="@Chopper It's valid as a flag. The system uses it to determine if flags from that user are generally right, so it can show them higher in the flag list" CreationDate="2011-01-29T05:13:01.230" UserId="44689" />
  <row Id="1906" PostId="1172" Score="0" Text="oh good, mild panic over :)" CreationDate="2011-01-29T10:39:04.697" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="1920" PostId="1174" Score="0" Text="The queries only show if you were the *last* editor of the post, so if anyone else has edited after you it doesn't get counted." CreationDate="2011-01-31T13:06:38.477" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="1910" PostId="1176" Score="5" Text="I agree.  With current trends, I am seriously concerned about number 3." CreationDate="2011-01-30T19:25:53.523" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1921" PostId="1176" Score="0" Text="Guilty as charged :) *I* moved the question. I remember there was a user request to move this to the Security SE; at the time it seemed appropriate, but in this case I guess you're right. I'll reopen the question here. Next time I'll pay more attention, I promise. :)" CreationDate="2011-01-31T17:08:17.373" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1930" PostId="1176" Score="0" Text="For convenient context, here is a direct link to the moved question: http://serverfault.com/questions/228792/virus-blocking-incoming-connections" CreationDate="2011-01-31T21:15:32.633" UserId="64546" />
  <row Id="1911" PostId="1177" Score="4" Text="I haven't seen the actual question but based on what I read here I do believe you flagged in error. A virus on a server is a sysadmin issue. Sure it involves a security aspect but it won't be a security person who has to clean it up. That's OUR job. Any admin worth their salary should be able to cope with it quite easily as part of their day to day job." CreationDate="2011-01-30T21:11:56.933" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1912" PostId="1177" Score="0" Text="You are absolutely right, the person doing the cleaning up would definitely be a sysadmin. Depending on how your organization defines the office roles, it would be a security person deciding *how* the clean up happens." CreationDate="2011-01-30T22:07:12.710" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="1913" PostId="1178" Score="0" Text="ok, let's take this one step farther -- why have more than one site on the entire internet? Isn't *that* unnecessary fragmentation? Wouldn't it be easier to find someone if every human being in the world was a Facebook user? Why have Server Fault when we could just fold those topics into Stack Overflow?" CreationDate="2011-01-30T22:42:05.130" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1914" PostId="1178" Score="1" Text="Ok, I think you're being a little ridiculous with your counter-examples Jeff. There are some clear divisions in topics, e.g. SO, SU, SF. but some are less clear; e.g. SF/SO vs. webmasters for example but still worthwhile (despite my reservations). Some are, imo, distinctions made purely for the sake of creating a walled garden to avoid talking to *them*, whoever the &quot;them du jour&quot; are in any given example. If you want to break things down to silly levels then why is there not a Win 2008 SE? &amp; a Win 2008r2 SE? And a new one in the pipeline for when the service pack for W2008r2 comes out?" CreationDate="2011-01-30T23:14:22.603" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1915" PostId="1178" Score="1" Text="Actually don't answer my last question, I already know the answer. My point is, though, that some of the divisions seem not much more justifiable than that - Ubuntu.SE vs Linux.SE anyone? I'm not saying those peoples opinions don't matter, but that each decision to divide a community like that up as as much potential to harm as it does to help. Especially if people end up confused as to where they need to ask a question or find their questions being migrated too often. It's a balancing act, I **understand** that. My concern is *are we getting the balance right*?" CreationDate="2011-01-30T23:20:58.333" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1916" PostId="1180" Score="0" Text="One other thing when it comes to unix.se -- Go look at the first page of recent questions. I would say most of them are not sysadmin questions." CreationDate="2011-01-30T23:48:29.180" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="1917" PostId="1180" Score="1" Text="I guess it really depends on how you see serverfault / specialized sites.  I think that personally I'd prefer all sorts of unix related questions (and conversely windows related questions) on  one site rather than have to browse 8 or 9 different sites just to see if there is something I want to answer, or learn about.  Maybe the answer is some sort of metasite/app that pulls all the subsites into 1 view for browseability?" CreationDate="2011-01-31T00:15:33.457" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="1918" PostId="1180" Score="0" Text="@Jim B: Well stackexchange.com does that with tag sets. You can watch a tag across all sites." CreationDate="2011-01-31T00:19:02.623" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="1979" PostId="1180" Score="0" Text="After thinking about this for a bit a few questions come to mind.  Why would I go to serverfault when I can configure all off the tags I want in one convenient place?  Is Rep then still a worthwhile measure of how trusted a user is (considering the user answering your question might have mountains of rep on SF but may have never visited say the unix site?)" CreationDate="2011-02-07T01:42:38.810" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="1931" PostId="1184" Score="3" Text="Pitting brands against each other - I get antsy when I see 'vs.' in a title or question. Regardless of whether its about purchasing or which technology or topology to use, that means someone wants us to make their decisions for them despite having less information about their needs than they do and **that** makes me uncomfortable. Especially when 9 times out of 10 they've made what I think are questionable assumptions to arrive at that shortlist in the first place. So yep, 'too locallised' and 'subjective' for my taste." CreationDate="2011-02-01T06:33:34.733" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1922" PostId="1186" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the quick response.  Wow so 100% of the traffic for so.com is going to a single HAProxy?  Just confirming.  Also please see this part of my question 'Does client traffic get sent to a single shared IP address (the &quot;virtual&quot;) and through the magic of changing the mac address associated with the IP address, traffic goes to one of the HAProxy’s until that box fails or is taken down?'  Thanks!" CreationDate="2011-01-31T18:08:31.483" UserId="3121" />
  <row Id="1923" PostId="1186" Score="3" Text="Updated the question. Yup, all of StackOverflow, SF, SO, and the rest of the StackExchange network goes through a single haproxy instance. CPU usage on that machine average less than 1% and never really goes above 6%. The only exception is chat which is still hosted out of OR." CreationDate="2011-01-31T18:12:14.710" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="1925" PostId="1186" Score="0" Text="I can't remember the VIP implementation of heartbeat -- I would ask that as a question on SF proper. I think the IP probably just has the MAC address of the secondary server after a failover and hosts arp tables and mac address tables on the switch are updated accordingly but not sure." CreationDate="2011-01-31T18:18:51.860" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="1929" PostId="1186" Score="0" Text="The IPAddr script does an ARP broadcast to update the ARP tables after bringing the alias up.  Might vary slightly if you use hb 2.x." CreationDate="2011-01-31T20:25:47.497" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1933" PostId="1187" Score="5" Text="Technically, Stack Overflow isn't a discussion forum, it's a Q&amp;A site. Moderators are very active so this will be picked up on. For more information on the Stack Overflow network, check out the FAQ http://serverfault.com/faq" CreationDate="2011-02-01T16:20:40.633" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="1953" PostId="1187" Score="3" Text="Immediately below &quot;Closed as not a real question...&quot; it states &quot;It's difficult to tell what is being asked here. This question is ambiguous, vague, incomplete, overly broad, or rhetorical and cannot be reasonably answered in its current form.&quot; Surely that's got to be a bit of a clue as to why it was closed." CreationDate="2011-02-02T04:52:18.477" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2051" PostId="1187" Score="0" Text="This is a very wrong way of forcing your choices on person asking question.Only if your forum is useful enough the person is going to come back and start participating in discussions learn to compete.Forcing people to make more post just to have some more disk usage does not makes any sense." CreationDate="2011-02-17T19:53:50.833" UserId="68579" />
  <row Id="2052" PostId="1187" Score="1" Text="Why is it wrong? This site is reasonably open in how it works, but at the end of the day its owned and operated by someone and they get to make the rules - or at least set the boundaries within which we can make our own. If you have a point that can be properly explained and addressed then it might get some support (and evenutally then might be accepted) but simply saying &quot;The site isn't what I thought it was and that's not fair&quot; isn't going to hope, and I'm afraid that is what your reply here sounds like." CreationDate="2011-02-17T19:53:50.913" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2060" PostId="1187" Score="1" Text="we've mentioned several times now: *This is not a forum*! This is a Q&amp;A Site, if you're looking for a forum, look elsewhere. There's an [FAQ](http://serverfault.com/faq) that explains all this too." CreationDate="2011-02-17T21:27:55.823" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1934" PostId="1188" Score="0" Text="How does it answer my question." CreationDate="2011-02-01T17:04:21.417" UserId="68579" />
  <row Id="1940" PostId="1188" Score="3" Text="@Registered User, please take a few moments to read the FAQ, as others have already suggested." CreationDate="2011-02-01T21:26:19.587" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2047" PostId="1188" Score="0" Text="this is a very wrong way of forcing your choices on person asking question.Only if your forum is useful enough the person is going to come back and start participating in discussions but when you kill interest of people like this it wont work." CreationDate="2011-02-17T12:14:58.083" UserId="68579" />
  <row Id="2050" PostId="1188" Score="3" Text="@Registered User - unfortunately for you tens of thousands of other users seem to manage to understand and get on with the system to everyone's benefit." CreationDate="2011-02-17T19:53:28.260" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2015" PostId="1189" Score="0" Text="+1 Option to hide closed questions would be nice - very low priority.." CreationDate="2011-02-10T14:27:32.917" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1935" PostId="1190" Score="0" Text="The link which you are saying is I posted is not posted  by me it was edited by a user.Here is the link to my configuration http://pastebin.com/L32D6ii5&#xA;I am not saying to look at broken images  the problem is I am not even able to give a link to the doc which I am trying and getting downvoted each time I am trying to post with a reference to my question." CreationDate="2011-02-01T17:05:49.090" UserId="68579" />
  <row Id="1936" PostId="1190" Score="1" Text="Your original question said that the images were broken but you never said what the URLs need to be in order for them to be &quot;fixed&quot;.  I have no clue where your images are supposed to go, so I have no way of telling you what you need to change in your configuration to make them go there." CreationDate="2011-02-01T17:21:43.730" UserId="56830" />
  <row Id="2048" PostId="1190" Score="0" Text="I could not post any link to any of my site or configuration because your forum policy does not allow to do so that does not mean my question was not genuine this is a third  class forum where I have not got a single answer." CreationDate="2011-02-17T12:18:26.523" UserId="68579" />
  <row Id="1941" PostId="1191" Score="1" Text="While that sounds reasonable, I don't believe keeping the closed/moved questions visible does anything to prevent others from posting the same or similar question. Remember, these are generally posted by people who couldn't be bothered reading the FAQ or the list of possible duplicates, despite all the prompting, so don't expect them to notice already closed questions. If a question gets moved to a more appropriate site, leaving it listed on the wrong site merely attracts more because it will show up in search engines as being on the original site, so that's where people will go." CreationDate="2011-02-01T22:23:37.270" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1939" PostId="1192" Score="2" Text="Simply tagging them &quot;closed&quot; would allow the existing &quot;ignored tags&quot; filter to do all the work, so there's not that much in the way of implementation work.  The vast majority of closed questions I don't want to see.  As I said, I'm suggesting this as a per-user option, not a change in the default behavior." CreationDate="2011-02-01T19:13:37.990" UserId="27515" />
  <row Id="1937" PostId="1193" Score="0" Text="I wonder if there are figures that show that autoblocking more than one link helps - I suppose it stops bots posting hundreds of link-farm style links. I have to agree, yes, there's a good portion of one-liner spam left so from that side it looks ineffective, but of course we don't know what we *don't* see, if that makes sense." CreationDate="2011-02-01T18:02:04.977" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1938" PostId="1193" Score="1" Text="I think it is more important to allow users to ask good questions than to prevent possible spam. If this really leads to an increase in spam, I could imagine a system  where experienced users (&gt;10k, maybe &gt;15k rep) are allowed to close/delete questions or answers by any user with less than maybe 100 rep in order to reduce the workload for moderators. This option could be disabled for a given user if he abuses this power." CreationDate="2011-02-01T18:41:29.933" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="1947" PostId="1193" Score="1" Text="Very often we see a newbie post a question and place the URL into the body, followed shortly after by someone with more rep needing to go in and create the link for them, just so the questions fits the general style of the site." CreationDate="2011-02-02T00:51:12.827" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1968" PostId="1193" Score="3" Text="marking this completed as what you're describing does, in fact happen -- code block URLs aren't counted. I increased the non-code-block allowed URLs for new users from 1 to 2." CreationDate="2011-02-03T07:46:11.340" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1987" PostId="1193" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure about your revision, because then spammers will immediately know that they can just code-block their spam and get through" CreationDate="2011-02-08T03:55:04.227" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1988" PostId="1193" Score="0" Text="@Mark Henderson, I guess it all depends on if you want to accept some false positives, or negatives.  I doubt that spam in a code-block would be very effective, and as it stands right now we are depending on the spammers not knowing something. If the spammer is persistent they will figure the code-block thing out.  But what I really dis-link the false-positives.  I would prefer the occasional spam message over a person not being able to post a good first question." CreationDate="2011-02-08T06:00:17.597" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1950" PostId="1195" Score="0" Text="correct, and a question must be answered by our definition.. have at least one answer **with at least one upvote** to avoid getting poked." CreationDate="2011-02-02T02:32:27.863" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1970" PostId="1195" Score="0" Text="Thanks guys it's been driving me nuts." CreationDate="2011-02-03T21:11:06.463" UserId="10975" />
  <row Id="1942" PostId="1197" Score="0" Text="I believed, that links in code blocks where included, but I am not certain. I must admit, that this is partly me assuming how things are working.  I haven't been a new user recently enough that it is entirely possible I am wrong." CreationDate="2011-02-01T22:23:57.830" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1943" PostId="1197" Score="0" Text="@zore note that in the 2nd form the links ARE NOT `&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;` style links so they won't be detected as links (they aren't!)" CreationDate="2011-02-01T22:34:44.740" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1948" PostId="1197" Score="1" Text="@Jeff, I really can't think of any examples just now but I've seen a fair few questions from new members that have more than one URL to external addresses for various reasons. These are questions where the use of the code block would not be relevant. I've edited some of those myself to create a link from the URL. I really wish I could give you an actual example." CreationDate="2011-02-02T00:57:06.873" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1949" PostId="1197" Score="0" Text="@john in my experience that is not common. What *is* common, is users screwing up code blocks." CreationDate="2011-02-02T02:30:37.100" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1951" PostId="1197" Score="0" Text="@Jeff - sorry but I agree with John. I fix several of them a week." CreationDate="2011-02-02T03:06:07.230" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1952" PostId="1197" Score="0" Text="@Jeff @John - here's the most recent one: http://serverfault.com/questions/227418/how-important-is-the-hcl-for-disks-for-raid-cards - I've done dozens of them in the past though" CreationDate="2011-02-02T03:07:53.280" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1963" PostId="1197" Score="0" Text="@Jeff @John - here's another one: http://serverfault.com/questions/229628/using-apache-as-a-front-end-to-tomcat-application" CreationDate="2011-02-02T21:15:19.890" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1966" PostId="1197" Score="0" Text="@john c'est la vie; because we allow anonymous participation new users have some restrictions. We could perhaps increase it to 2 links if that helps." CreationDate="2011-02-03T01:25:11.697" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1967" PostId="1197" Score="3" Text="@Jeff, based on what I've seen so far I think two would suffice. Thanks." CreationDate="2011-02-03T02:51:21.717" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1945" PostId="1198" Score="1" Text="I think making it a user setting is the way to go. In a way its almost just another tag or view as much as anything else (I realise it might not be implementable in that way, I'm just thinking from a user perspective here)." CreationDate="2011-02-01T23:23:11.217" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1944" PostId="1199" Score="0" Text="I find them really difficult to answer for that reason.. I can only answer for the UK market, and tend to go to suppliers who give favourable pricing.  It's all tricky." CreationDate="2011-02-01T22:46:17.377" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="1946" PostId="1199" Score="1" Text="Even within a country the whole pricing comparison thing is tricky. I get great prices from a few vendors because a) they give good prices to educational establishments and b) I've built up a relationship with that supplier and c) We're happy to be reference sites etc. as needed in return for a little more help on a price. Even if a business with an office in the street next to my campus asks for advice then any price info I have is still &quot;too localised&quot; to be useful to them!" CreationDate="2011-02-01T23:26:16.283" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1955" PostId="1200" Score="0" Text="I just vistited the new question page and I am seeing the toolbar on Chrome 8.0, and Firefox 3.6." CreationDate="2011-02-02T08:35:04.580" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1954" PostId="1201" Score="0" Text="And for asking a new question." CreationDate="2011-02-02T05:16:34.363" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1961" PostId="1203" Score="0" Text="Are you sure it's the moderators and not the general population that is doing the bulk of the moving?" CreationDate="2011-02-02T21:03:34.863" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1969" PostId="1203" Score="0" Text="I don't know how it works?  Can I move a question?  I though the general population could only flag something for migrating a question, with the moderators making the decision." CreationDate="2011-02-03T13:28:26.667" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="1984" PostId="1203" Score="0" Text="higher rep members have a voting option. 5 votes and the question gets closed or moved, with no moderator action required. It's all explained in the FAQ." CreationDate="2011-02-07T20:43:39.270" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1985" PostId="1203" Score="0" Text="Ah - ok.  But then they are moderators in all but name." CreationDate="2011-02-07T21:18:09.737" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="1956" PostId="1206" Score="6" Text="correct, they belong nowhere, they are shopping questions." CreationDate="2011-02-02T10:33:59.523" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1957" PostId="1206" Score="3" Text="In that case, can mods stop just shuffling them around and just close them altogether?" CreationDate="2011-02-02T10:42:59.683" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="1958" PostId="1206" Score="1" Text="My slight confusion though jeff is when someone says something like &quot;I want to buy a dual socket server for running a database on&quot; - for those I'm quite happy to specify models by HP/Dell/IBM/whoever with set processor/mem/disk recommendations - technically that's a shopping question but I feel does fall into what we do - that's my opinion anyway." CreationDate="2011-02-02T11:25:45.273" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="1962" PostId="1206" Score="0" Text="@Chopper3, I think it depends a lot on just how the question is worded. It helps immensely if the OP appears to have done some research on their own and just needs some input to help make a final decision between a few possibilities. Sadly, that's rarely that case." CreationDate="2011-02-02T21:07:02.363" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1986" PostId="1206" Score="0" Text="@John, that's getting back to the questioner's responsibility of due diligence. It's not so much that 'shopping' questions are bad, as wildly open-ended, spam-magnet, no-representation-of-prior-knowledge questions. Which is basically what you're both trying to say I think..." CreationDate="2011-02-07T22:09:26.917" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1981" PostId="1207" Score="2" Text="It amazes me how diplomatic you can be, Kara...  Bravo!" CreationDate="2011-02-07T13:19:52.837" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1983" PostId="1207" Score="0" Text="The bright side of my tendency to have made just about every possible mistake?  ;)  (but shucks, thanks!)" CreationDate="2011-02-07T15:34:12.823" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1964" PostId="1208" Score="1" Text="Congratulations for increasing your workload Mark. :)" CreationDate="2011-02-02T22:49:04.190" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1971" PostId="1209" Score="1" Text="They need to put a big RSS icon linking to the correct URL at the top of the blog.  I was close to just unsubscribing. :)" CreationDate="2011-02-04T20:18:58.637" UserId="5391" />
  <row Id="1977" PostId="1210" Score="0" Text="The link to SH's post results in 404" CreationDate="2011-02-06T11:47:21.733" UserId="8453" />
  <row Id="1978" PostId="1210" Score="0" Text="The link has been fixed." CreationDate="2011-02-06T17:12:32.263" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1973" PostId="1212" Score="0" Text="That's the thing about these questions, they're not getting views even with Community♦ poking them every so often. They're pretty much dead weight by now. Some of those questions are decent, just past their expiration-date." CreationDate="2011-02-05T16:38:49.150" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1974" PostId="1212" Score="0" Text="So what do we do with the decent questions? Are any worth saving? Can those of us willing to put in the work to do that able to write answers - because surely if we could we would have already?. Will the asker return? I'm sure they solved the problem that caused them to ask a question a year ago one way or another by now, even if it was by throwing the problem system away and buying a new one! So who does it help to leave the questions/answer them now, and would they be helped better by just asking their own, fresh question?" CreationDate="2011-02-05T17:00:22.140" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1975" PostId="1212" Score="1" Text="While going through the above I found two I could answer, and did so. One even got an upvote! Which was downvoted 5 minutes later. So, still some life." CreationDate="2011-02-05T17:55:24.030" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1976" PostId="1212" Score="0" Text="That's interesting to know. If there's still some interest then it might be worth saving the good questions" CreationDate="2011-02-05T19:39:48.793" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1995" PostId="1212" Score="0" Text="I like the gardening analogy and there are definitely a few weeds that nee pulling out." CreationDate="2011-02-09T01:57:16.387" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="10217" PostId="1212" Score="0" Text="+1 - In addition I doubt there's very many of us scouring the web for sites with unanswered questions from years gone by that we want to answer, even if we can.  Especially when we realize that the OP is probably never coming back to see the answer." CreationDate="2013-05-14T16:12:27.987" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="1980" PostId="1213" Score="0" Text="That's a fair point. I guess the question is what's more important to the site as a whole - to remain &quot;vibrant&quot; (for want of a better word) or to remain a respository for every question people have ever had about their network" CreationDate="2011-02-07T08:37:55.687" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1982" PostId="1213" Score="0" Text="For details: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/17853/how-do-badges-work/17854#17854. In short, you'll keep the badge, but the next time you'd earn it, you won't get an additional one." CreationDate="2011-02-07T15:28:33.417" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="11422" PostId="1213" Score="0" Text="Why does the *whole* site have to remain vibrant?  As long as there is new relevant content the old stuff doesn't matter.  Some obscure questions will have the least activity but can be really helpful if there is no other resources answering them." CreationDate="2013-08-20T10:03:09.340" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="1993" PostId="1215" Score="0" Text="In regard to deleting closed questions, there appears to be some sort of relationship between previously cast votes for (or against) the question and the number required to delete it. Some require only a few delete votes, whereas others require an unobtainable number. Do you have any information about that?" CreationDate="2011-02-09T01:41:32.430" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1994" PostId="1215" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Yes, there is. Unfortunately, I'd have to delve into MSO-search to dig that out since I don't know what it is. The 'favorite server names' question required something like 317 votes to delete back when we tried. Normal questions are closer to 3." CreationDate="2011-02-09T01:52:53.440" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1989" PostId="1216" Score="3" Text="The quickest way to deal with these is to flag as off topic as they are circumventing security policy." CreationDate="2011-02-08T22:03:53.450" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2003" PostId="1216" Score="2" Text="@Iain, who's security policy? Your's? Mine? Where I currently work we don't even have any formal IT policies, so there are none to be circumvented. That however doesn't mean I condone such actions." CreationDate="2011-02-09T11:33:02.167" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1992" PostId="1217" Score="0" Text="Yeah, but the problems can be beyond technical. Shoppings Qs are frequently closed as 'to localized' for a reason. Pricing is simply not doable here simply because there is no such thing as a standard price any more. Technology equivalence, on the other hand, is something we CAN tackle." CreationDate="2011-02-09T00:53:52.240" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4906" PostId="1218" Score="1" Text="And even on IT Security - if there isn't a white hat angle we tend to close." CreationDate="2012-01-22T21:27:15.790" UserId="62544" />
  <row Id="1990" PostId="1221" Score="0" Text="I think the megacorp justification is a slippery slope. Who's to say that one IT Department's policies are not worth following? I do agree with the idea that if it's a sysadmin question it should be answered." CreationDate="2011-02-08T23:12:49.643" UserId="49995" />
  <row Id="1991" PostId="1221" Score="0" Text="@SLY, I am not saying they are not worth following, I am saying that if someone asks a good question directly related to system administration, a local policy is irrelevant from my point of view.  I like solving technical problems, a poorly setup firewall or security system, sometimes may be a legitimate technical problem that you have to work around." CreationDate="2011-02-09T00:16:46.270" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1996" PostId="1222" Score="1" Text="+1 - the question is not off topic because of its ethics, it's off topic because the person is not an IT professional, and thus this is not the place for them to be asking anyway." CreationDate="2011-02-09T02:39:38.783" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1997" PostId="1224" Score="1" Text="Fair enough. For whatever reason the older questions just seem more prevalent than I guess I was used to." CreationDate="2011-02-09T02:59:00.587" UserId="14405" />
  <row Id="1998" PostId="1224" Score="0" Text="It could also be because someone answered the question and then deleted their answer or had it deleted by a moderator." CreationDate="2011-02-09T09:10:58.093" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="2001" PostId="1225" Score="0" Text="I can't find it now but I thought I had seen something on this subject in an older version of the FAQ. Then again, memory is the second thing that goes." CreationDate="2011-02-09T11:14:26.160" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2005" PostId="1225" Score="0" Text="@John, I know I've seen something about that somewhere... FAQ, mSO, blog.... can't remember where." CreationDate="2011-02-09T16:10:15.490" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1999" PostId="1228" Score="1" Text="If they don't have any answers, delete them instead" CreationDate="2011-02-09T10:26:26.280" UserId="3626" />
  <row Id="2000" PostId="1228" Score="0" Text="@Ivo - It's a mix, really. Some have no up voted answers, some have accepted answers." CreationDate="2011-02-09T10:58:39.367" UserId="1661" />
  <row Id="2002" PostId="1228" Score="0" Text="If they're crap, delete them. If they've found their answer let them rest in peace ;-)" CreationDate="2011-02-09T11:17:17.733" UserId="3626" />
  <row Id="2069" PostId="1228" Score="0" Text="I'm wondering if someone knows how to produce the stats on this but from where I'm sitting it looks like many, if not most, of the recent migrations from SO are either off-topic for SF or so poorly written that they need to be killed off." CreationDate="2011-02-19T05:34:30.080" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2008" PostId="1229" Score="2" Text="I think I'm comfortable with this for un-answered questions. If a question has been abandoned by the asker then migrating it here when the first thing we're likely to say is &quot;need more detail about *x*&quot; (or for that matter &quot;*x* is discontinued these days, are you still using it because *Xr2* works differently now&quot;) then its probably not worth your time moving it rather than killing it." CreationDate="2011-02-09T17:38:56.093" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2009" PostId="1230" Score="2" Text="As long as it has a decent answer, there's no immediate need to migrate it as it won't be deleted on Stack Overflow and others will be able to find it, albeit on the wrong site" CreationDate="2011-02-09T19:10:41.010" UserId="3626" />
  <row Id="2004" PostId="1231" Score="0" Text="I don't know if that's a mistake or not but I can approve edits to tag-wikis, maybe it's just a double check system... makes sense to have two sets of eyes on those anyway." CreationDate="2011-02-09T16:04:31.457" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2006" PostId="1231" Score="0" Text="If it's 20K to make unapproved edits and everything else subject to approvals like for 1-rep users editing that kinda makes sense" CreationDate="2011-02-09T16:11:06.060" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="2007" PostId="1233" Score="2" Text="Thanks, Jeff; is that a recent change, or am I just losing my memory?" CreationDate="2011-02-09T16:23:56.807" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="2011" PostId="1233" Score="1" Text="shouldn't this be marked status-bydesign?" CreationDate="2011-02-09T20:53:57.710" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2010" PostId="1236" Score="0" Text="Cant i keep both around? Answers in both of them are useful." CreationDate="2011-02-09T20:53:14.887" UserId="44351" />
  <row Id="2012" PostId="1236" Score="2" Text="@chantz we can merge them together" CreationDate="2011-02-09T21:48:57.697" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="2013" PostId="1236" Score="0" Text="ok. thanks. I will flag it as such." CreationDate="2011-02-09T21:50:36.260" UserId="44351" />
  <row Id="2014" PostId="1236" Score="0" Text="Done &lt;extra chars&gt;" CreationDate="2011-02-09T22:04:51.787" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2016" PostId="1238" Score="0" Text="OK, that makes more sense. I asked for my own question to be closed because I figured out after the fact it belonged on SO. http://serverfault.com/questions/212072/solaris-virtual-slices-disks-for-use-with-zfs" CreationDate="2011-02-10T16:42:35.787" UserId="58001" />
  <row Id="2018" PostId="1241" Score="0" Text="Why would you like to see this ?" CreationDate="2011-02-12T17:54:51.343" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2020" PostId="1241" Score="0" Text="To see more questions from users with greater rep." CreationDate="2011-02-12T19:39:52.477" UserId="13008" />
  <row Id="2021" PostId="1241" Score="0" Text="Please elaborate." CreationDate="2011-02-12T20:55:38.097" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="2022" PostId="1241" Score="1" Text="See latest edit." CreationDate="2011-02-12T21:06:29.220" UserId="13008" />
  <row Id="2017" PostId="1242" Score="0" Text="+1 deserves more...." CreationDate="2011-02-12T17:13:31.887" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="2019" PostId="1242" Score="0" Text="You misunderstood what I was asking; see revised question." CreationDate="2011-02-12T19:21:40.667" UserId="13008" />
  <row Id="2023" PostId="1242" Score="0" Text="Ben there is the protect question permission to do exactly that :)" CreationDate="2011-02-12T23:47:40.620" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="2027" PostId="1243" Score="0" Text="Linus is a sysadmin now? I always thought his knowledge would be more on-topic over at SO... :)" CreationDate="2011-02-13T14:55:52.740" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2028" PostId="1243" Score="0" Text="I quoted Robert Moir.... Take it up with him:)... He has to be somewhat of an admin I'd assume though." CreationDate="2011-02-13T15:01:20.160" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="2041" PostId="1243" Score="0" Text="That's why he has to ask HOW to use Linux here. It's only on SO where he gets to tell people how it works internally ;-)" CreationDate="2011-02-15T23:03:33.520" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2042" PostId="1243" Score="0" Text="I'd think they guy that wrote the kernel would be highly skilled with using the OS?" CreationDate="2011-02-15T23:05:29.587" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="2024" PostId="1244" Score="0" Text="Interesting point... A lot of reasons why you might not want to have searches for your domain returning a Q&amp;A site!" CreationDate="2011-02-13T08:57:59.743" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2025" PostId="1245" Score="0" Text="Golden example.... +1" CreationDate="2011-02-13T14:13:16.577" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="2026" PostId="1245" Score="0" Text="see latest edit.  You're right; bad idea." CreationDate="2011-02-13T14:38:19.370" UserId="13008" />
  <row Id="2029" PostId="1247" Score="2" Text="This has been proposed over on the &quot;master&quot; meta-site: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8600/community-vote-for-accepted-answer-rep-5000-only - I am going to close this question to direct people to that question as it will receive more publicity. Feel free to voice your opinion there!" CreationDate="2011-02-14T03:13:36.803" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2044" PostId="1247" Score="0" Text="this has been brought up many times already; I suspect we'll see it eventually. It's just not there yet." CreationDate="2011-02-16T02:07:29.550" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2043" PostId="1248" Score="0" Text="+1 How about something special to not obfuscate the domain/email/IP. For instance prefix it with a &quot;?&quot; or similar. Also ignore example.com, the internal IP ranges, etc." CreationDate="2011-02-16T02:06:12.673" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2045" PostId="1248" Score="0" Text="@Chris, There's no need for the obfuscation to be obvious or the actual URLs to be modified. It's quite simple to obfuscate any text so that it won't get indexed (or harvested) but still look &quot;normal&quot; to humans. For an example have a look at my web page and then look at the source." CreationDate="2011-02-16T02:26:02.157" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2046" PostId="1248" Score="0" Text="I think that would work perfectly. I'd still include some character to 'not obfuscate' it in the source code. It might also be nice if it caught strings that match (\w{5}-){4}\w{5} and changed a few random characters (or warned the user, or something...)." CreationDate="2011-02-16T13:39:37.580" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2035" PostId="1249" Score="0" Text="Had it not been closed as off-topic it could just as easily have been closed as subjective." CreationDate="2011-02-14T20:38:02.770" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2036" PostId="1249" Score="0" Text="Subjective I wouldn't have questioned, shopping questions should be closed." CreationDate="2011-02-14T20:55:24.333" UserId="62482" />
  <row Id="2030" PostId="1250" Score="0" Text="If he had said home office, would it have still qualified as off topic?" CreationDate="2011-02-14T19:35:14.463" UserId="62482" />
  <row Id="2031" PostId="1250" Score="0" Text="@Ernie - I still would have voted to close it. Unless you run an entire corporation out of your home office and have an IT staff. :)" CreationDate="2011-02-14T19:37:20.543" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="2032" PostId="1251" Score="0" Text="@Zor - I'm all for small office, but home office is a different story, IMO." CreationDate="2011-02-14T20:15:19.090" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="2033" PostId="1251" Score="2" Text="@MarkM, if the question is really good or bad, aside from that distinction, does it matter?  If you can edit out the '(home|small) office' from the question and the question is on-topic, I like to leave it.  Although I admin good questions that are on-topic and mention a home-office setting are pretty rare." CreationDate="2011-02-14T20:20:05.347" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="2034" PostId="1251" Score="0" Text="@Zor - Thanks, thats pretty much what I was looking for. I totally agree with you and MarkM on the shopping angle, I was just curious if it was the home/office angle." CreationDate="2011-02-14T20:32:54.070" UserId="62482" />
  <row Id="2037" PostId="1251" Score="1" Text="@Ernie - you have to remember its a matter of opinion. Some people will vote to close when others will not. It's just a matter of where the 'trigger' point is for someone." CreationDate="2011-02-14T20:57:44.157" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2038" PostId="1251" Score="0" Text="@Zor - That's true, I guess the feeling I get is that there aren't a ton of relevant question from a home user, since they don't face many of the same problems that an administrator at a real business would. I suppose that I probably wouldn't vote to close a relevant question about a home server that's well worded and useful. The problem is that those questions seem to be few and far between." CreationDate="2011-02-14T21:23:28.180" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="2039" PostId="1251" Score="0" Text="@Robert - I get that, I'm just curious if more questions like this could get edited and possibly turned into real questions as opposed to just getting them closed." CreationDate="2011-02-14T21:24:28.270" UserId="62482" />
  <row Id="2040" PostId="1251" Score="2" Text="I never come on meta to be honest but I closed this purely because it was shopping and someone else thought so too." CreationDate="2011-02-15T18:52:09.320" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2064" PostId="1258" Score="7" Text="You have to remember *this isn't reddit*. I spend time there too - Reddit's a place for following links, talking about nonsense and getting in a lather about this week's liberal cause du jour. ServerFault is a place for asking and answering questions. Whole different site philosophies, obviously. So what would be the point of upvoting your own answer on SF? Surely if you don't think its a good answer then you simply wouldn't post it? Or you'd just delete it if you realised afterwards that it was flawed?" CreationDate="2011-02-17T22:51:41.557" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2066" PostId="1258" Score="0" Text="fair point, fair point." CreationDate="2011-02-17T22:54:40.960" UserId="70126" />
  <row Id="2067" PostId="1258" Score="3" Text="as Robert said, everything you post has an implicit upvote by you -- there's no value in making it explicit" CreationDate="2011-02-18T02:27:35.637" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2065" PostId="1259" Score="0" Text="I suppose this makes sense, even though I would like to see at least a token 1 or 2 rep for just asking a question.  I suppose this is also a different way of looking at the upvotes as I sort of see them as &quot;the number of people who like/appreciate this question&quot; and I sure as heck like my own questions! (As I'm sure most other people likewise do.)" CreationDate="2011-02-17T22:52:59.057" UserId="70126" />
  <row Id="3181" PostId="1259" Score="0" Text="You'd be less keen on awarding rep just for asking questions if you looked at the amount of drivel questions we already get... I weep at the idea of how much crap we'd have to wade through if people thought they could get rep *just* by asking questions." CreationDate="2011-08-13T02:21:19.410" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="5240" PostId="1259" Score="0" Text="@RussellC, If I recall correctly, you do get 2 rep for accepting an answer to a question, but not if it's your own answer." CreationDate="2012-02-02T14:54:04.827" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="2070" PostId="1265" Score="0" Text="Thanks to all those who have so far answered, the careful thought is appreciated." CreationDate="2011-02-21T21:00:11.500" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="2074" PostId="1269" Score="1" Text="Realistically, the tools 10K users have access to are little more than statistics. They do have their uses, particularly for housekeeping purposes, but don't really grant us any more power than we had prior to 10K. We still have to vote on things, just like everyone from 3K upwards." CreationDate="2011-02-22T04:30:57.597" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2080" PostId="1269" Score="0" Text="Adding to John's comment, the [tools](http://serverfault.com/tools/) and [review](http://serverfault.com/review) sections are quite useful for finding outliers and helping to cleanup. Otherwise they're nothing special, anyone could collect the relevant statistics and crunch the same numbers." CreationDate="2011-02-22T13:28:47.527" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2071" PostId="1270" Score="2" Text="Interesting stuff... Thanks! *[Also edit any comment, forgot that one --sysadmin1138]*" CreationDate="2011-02-21T22:11:19.710" UserId="65831" />
  <row Id="2073" PostId="1270" Score="1" Text="^ very good! :D" CreationDate="2011-02-21T23:50:32.047" UserId="65831" />
  <row Id="2075" PostId="1271" Score="1" Text="May I ask how did you know this as your score is below this level?" CreationDate="2011-02-22T07:21:30.447" UserId="58024" />
  <row Id="2076" PostId="1271" Score="0" Text="Exactly what do you think needs changing and why? Your question is very unclear." CreationDate="2011-02-22T10:56:21.067" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2077" PostId="1271" Score="0" Text="@Khaled: On the Privileges Page (click on the number next to your name on the main SO), you can click on any of the privileges, whether you have it or not, to see what it is all about." CreationDate="2011-02-22T12:44:07.767" UserId="65831" />
  <row Id="2078" PostId="1271" Score="0" Text="@John, if you do what I just showed Khaled, and click on the &quot;Access to Mod Tools&quot; Privilege, the description that you will see will say the line I quoted. Because the additional levels have been added, the part I quoted is no longer factual..." CreationDate="2011-02-22T12:45:11.980" UserId="65831" />
  <row Id="2081" PostId="1271" Score="0" Text="@BenGC, now it makes sense. I suppose this is the new thing I learn today. ;)" CreationDate="2011-02-22T20:23:36.073" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2083" PostId="1271" Score="0" Text="Not seeing it now, maybe they fixed it but forgot to tag this question." CreationDate="2011-02-22T21:49:08.427" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2079" PostId="1272" Score="0" Text="Users at 15k can protect questions now too (though they have to be a certain age; maybe Mods can do it even for new questions?), not just mods (as the blog suggests). Otherwise; thank you for the updated and authoritative article!" CreationDate="2011-02-22T13:24:20.857" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2082" PostId="1275" Score="2" Text="+1, and for the TL;DR crowd: **Don't do it!** Upvote, or if you asked the question then accept the correct answer." CreationDate="2011-02-22T21:40:37.910" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="19100" PostId="1275" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS I think you misunderstood the question or the answer. The blog post says `we have a firmly established convention already in place for thanking our fellow users: vote up their post or comment!`" CreationDate="2015-08-03T18:20:07.323" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="19101" PostId="1275" Score="0" Text="@kasperd Could you be more specific? `What is the etiquette on using comments to say “thank you”?` =&gt; `Don't do it!` seems to make sense to me... maybe I'm in left field." CreationDate="2015-08-05T17:14:40.470" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="19102" PostId="1275" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS But that is not what the linked posting says. It says don't use **answers** to say thank you, it says vote up or **comment** instead." CreationDate="2015-08-05T22:21:12.950" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="19105" PostId="1275" Score="0" Text="@kasperd it says `vote up their post or comment`, it does not say `vote up or comment`" CreationDate="2015-08-06T17:05:37.257" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="19106" PostId="1275" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Oh, the sentence is ambiguous. It has quite different meanings depending on whether you read `comment` as a verb or a noun." CreationDate="2015-08-07T07:46:53.990" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="19107" PostId="1275" Score="0" Text="@kasperd Conceded. However, only voting is mention in the rest of the article. One could infer that &quot;comment&quot; is therefor a noun. I reserve the right to be wrong." CreationDate="2015-08-07T12:27:18.227" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2084" PostId="1277" Score="0" Text="I'm sad, I'm 15 does this mean I don't belong? :(" CreationDate="2011-02-23T02:34:29.023" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="2085" PostId="1277" Score="0" Text="@Jacob, had I not read your age in your bio I wouldn't have guessed you are so young. Your contributions are most welcome." CreationDate="2011-02-23T03:39:31.673" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2086" PostId="1277" Score="0" Text="Thanks @John Gardeniers, I just disagree with statements like &quot; too many X(teen) year olds&quot; so I try to point it out. :)" CreationDate="2011-02-23T03:46:18.403" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="2087" PostId="1277" Score="0" Text="@Jacob, we've all been there before." CreationDate="2011-02-23T03:50:13.257" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2089" PostId="1278" Score="0" Text="That's something else I never noticed before." CreationDate="2011-02-23T21:28:10.623" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2088" PostId="1279" Score="0" Text="That's it. (has to be 15)" CreationDate="2011-02-23T18:34:03.063" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2091" PostId="1279" Score="0" Text="Generally the SF mod-queue is short enough that the sort order doesn't mean much. But on a flag-heavy site like SO it's great." CreationDate="2011-02-23T22:45:35.677" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2094" PostId="1281" Score="7" Text="The question then is whether or not chat is the right place to get help. I regard it as an off-duty place, a coffee shop if you like, rather than an actual help forum in itself (I appreciate others might disagree). &#xA;&#xA;&#xA;I also think that people who ask for help there should be encouraged to ask a &quot;proper&quot; question because they have not only limited their audience to people who use chat (a small subset of people who use SF, obviously) they've also limited themselves to the set of chatters in the room at that time. Not likely to get the best possible answers from that." CreationDate="2011-02-27T15:47:23.713" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2095" PostId="1281" Score="1" Text="@Robert Moir, I agree. Chopper put it best when he compared users finding us in chat to following your Banker into Walmart. The users in the examples above (in the Q) showed an obvious lack of fundamental understanding and effort. SF is by SAs for SAs (et al). When it becomes obvious the user doesn't have the *most basic* understanding, it's time to close or migrate (as appropriate). I'm sure would disagree, just as we get users who try to force SF into a Forum, or however they envision the site should be. Troubleshooting in chat isn't necessarily bad; these examples are medium independent." CreationDate="2011-02-28T02:39:51.730" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2101" PostId="1282" Score="0" Text="If we must have &quot;live help in chat&quot; at all then I'd certainly prefer this way of doing it." CreationDate="2011-03-01T08:35:41.640" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2096" PostId="1284" Score="0" Text="Looking through the questions now" CreationDate="2011-02-28T07:47:47.613" UserId="72430" />
  <row Id="2098" PostId="1284" Score="0" Text="+1 Sounds like it would fit squarely on SF; even if it belongs somewhere else, we'll move the question as appropriate." CreationDate="2011-02-28T13:20:11.143" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2103" PostId="1285" Score="1" Text="An option to show/hide line numbers on code blocks would be nice too. Maybe highlighting? But highliting can get pretty offensive to the eyes. I like the colors on github, at least they are more easy to read." CreationDate="2011-03-01T19:41:44.893" UserId="48752" />
  <row Id="2104" PostId="1285" Score="0" Text="@Coredump, we've talked about code highlighting in the past and decided to leave it off as detecting the language/syntax is very error prone without the user explicitly picking." CreationDate="2011-03-01T19:45:39.120" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2105" PostId="1285" Score="0" Text="@Chris I would happily pick the language. Maybe as an option, part of the markup? But the markup here is really simple so maybe meh." CreationDate="2011-03-01T20:08:33.903" UserId="48752" />
  <row Id="2117" PostId="1285" Score="0" Text="+1 I've wished for SU style blockquotes for a while now..." CreationDate="2011-03-03T17:00:09.093" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="2169" PostId="1285" Score="1" Text="+1. I like the the simple, grey bar option, too. (I'd add another +1 for making me try to upvote the screenshot, instead of the question)" CreationDate="2011-03-07T08:37:15.843" UserId="59856" />
  <row Id="5290" PostId="1285" Score="0" Text="Hmm, I wonder if this feature request is to be implemented some day? tex.SE has something similar already - [blockquotes are enclosed by horizontal lines](http://tex.stackexchange.com/a/518), [code sniplets are not](http://tex.stackexchange.com/q/498). Although there is a [recent motion for syntax highlighting](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2717), the implementation of which would make the issue less pressing, it still would be very nice to have." CreationDate="2012-02-03T20:51:15.833" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5519" PostId="1285" Score="0" Text="This would indeed clear up a lot of confusion between the two." CreationDate="2012-02-18T00:08:09.853" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="8483" PostId="1285" Score="0" Text="Another year has passed, yet nothing has changed and no authoritative response has been given. I've added a tag to the question. I *really* would like to see it happen - as 19 other Meta participants apparently would." CreationDate="2013-01-28T10:39:23.637" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8484" PostId="1285" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj: If you use FF or Chrome then try stylish + [this small reskin I wrote](http://userstyles.org/styles/68486/serverfault). I know you shouldn't have to but ..." CreationDate="2013-01-28T11:09:54.977" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2108" PostId="1286" Score="3" Text="Nah, [THIS](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch) is a *proper* Welsh town name :-)" CreationDate="2011-03-03T00:02:44.507" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="2109" PostId="1286" Score="0" Text="@Ben, all we're missing is half a dozen or so ells." CreationDate="2011-03-03T00:32:50.283" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2107" PostId="1287" Score="3" Text="How about calling it SQL-SSMS or MSSQL-SSMS?" CreationDate="2011-03-02T21:34:39.930" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2110" PostId="1287" Score="1" Text="or even &quot;sqlserver-manag-studio&quot;, or something along those lines?" CreationDate="2011-03-03T00:33:17.770" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2111" PostId="1287" Score="0" Text="I'm fond of 'MSSQL-SSMS', with a synonym for the unreadable one. It can be arranged." CreationDate="2011-03-03T06:44:02.257" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2113" PostId="1287" Score="1" Text="I suggest we call it &quot;sql-server-management-std&quot; (or &quot;sql-server-manag-studio&quot;) which is consistent with all other SQL Server tags." CreationDate="2011-03-03T09:13:01.290" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="2118" PostId="1287" Score="3" Text="I vote for sql-server-mgmt-studio" CreationDate="2011-03-03T17:01:56.130" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="2112" PostId="1288" Score="2" Text="How is useful then defined? Currently, the chat &quot;ad&quot; just show the last two active serverfault-themed rooms. Are you suggesting that, say, a moderator can make a room &quot;featured&quot;? Or that the room chosing be smarter, and if so, in what way? Or just that &quot;On Server Fault, always show *Comms Room* and *Vote to Close* &quot;?" CreationDate="2011-03-03T07:51:24.777" UserId="14041" />
  <row Id="2114" PostId="1288" Score="0" Text="For me none of the chat rooms are useful, so obviously I don't think there should be permanent links to any of them." CreationDate="2011-03-03T10:31:20.077" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2115" PostId="1288" Score="2" Text="We could perhaps flag rooms created as a 1-1 basis (via the menu option), and just exclude those?" CreationDate="2011-03-03T10:47:12.523" UserId="1202" />
  <row Id="2116" PostId="1288" Score="0" Text="I think the Vote To Close channel is redundant. It's annoying to have to monitor a second chat just for potential closes. You get more eyeballs (and response) from the Comms Room anyway." CreationDate="2011-03-03T11:22:14.317" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2122" PostId="1288" Score="1" Text="@Jscott, I personally like the vote to close room; It'd be nice if we just had a page that filtered all the questions with a vote to close in the last day, so we could review them easily. It would be nice if there was a 'featured' flag, or if rooms with &lt;3 people were excluded from the list." CreationDate="2011-03-03T20:28:17.790" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2125" PostId="1288" Score="2" Text="@ChrisS: You mean [a page like this](http://serverfault.com/tools?tab=close)? :)" CreationDate="2011-03-03T20:52:54.973" UserId="14041" />
  <row Id="2128" PostId="1288" Score="0" Text="@balpha, yes, now if I could get a link from the front page it'd be perfect." CreationDate="2011-03-03T21:49:45.630" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2133" PostId="1288" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS: It's behind that &quot;tools&quot; link that appeared on top of the page when you passed 10k reputation (these pages's aren't visible for &lt;10k users)" CreationDate="2011-03-04T06:05:29.697" UserId="14041" />
  <row Id="2136" PostId="1288" Score="0" Text="Can we have the tab=close page visible to everyone who can cast a vote please ? There are relatively few 10K users on SF compared to the number of 3k users who can vote." CreationDate="2011-03-04T09:56:40.910" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2137" PostId="1288" Score="1" Text="With a little more research the numbers are 135 who can vote to close of which 29 are 10K+ so anything that can get more eye's on closable questions would be a benefit." CreationDate="2011-03-04T10:09:33.240" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2184" PostId="1288" Score="0" Text="@balpha, perhaps take into account total room activity or number of favorites votes instead of just recent activity for the sidebar selection?" CreationDate="2011-03-10T19:28:48.377" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="2185" PostId="1288" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache: we made the room choosing algorithm a little smarter yesterday; seems to work quite well so far. I'll keep an eye on it." CreationDate="2011-03-10T19:53:38.510" UserId="14041" />
  <row Id="2186" PostId="1288" Score="0" Text="@balpha any chance of highlighting to 3k+ users closeable questions rathre than just 10k+ users ?" CreationDate="2011-03-10T21:16:08.830" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2187" PostId="1288" Score="0" Text="@Iain: That may be a viable feature request (although I'm not 100% sure I'd like it), but it shouldn't be here in the comments. Maybe read [this thread on MSO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/39420/why-is-10-000-rep-needed-to-access-moderation-tools) first and then possibly open a new feature request there." CreationDate="2011-03-10T21:23:09.853" UserId="14041" />
  <row Id="2151" PostId="1296" Score="0" Text="[This](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1182/can-we-come-up-with-a-consensus-opinion-on-purchasing-suggestions) doesn't help with where but gives some insight into the way SF feels about it." CreationDate="2011-03-04T23:07:25.657" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2152" PostId="1296" Score="0" Text="Particularly see the link to http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/qa-is-hard-lets-go-shopping/" CreationDate="2011-03-04T23:17:50.853" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="2153" PostId="1296" Score="0" Text="Mmm, yeah.  And Atwood's suggestions here seem to help on the &quot;how to ask&quot; front: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/qa-is-hard-lets-go-shopping/#comment-52119" CreationDate="2011-03-04T23:21:56.687" UserId="67641" />
  <row Id="2154" PostId="1296" Score="1" Text="Hmmm.... Registrars and off-site hosting (any kind) are not &quot;server oriented products&quot;. They are services." CreationDate="2011-03-05T01:13:58.037" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2157" PostId="1296" Score="0" Text="Valid point -- though &quot;product&quot; and &quot;service&quot; are often conflated by vendors.  Not sure it matters either way for the scope of the question or answers." CreationDate="2011-03-05T01:43:14.143" UserId="67641" />
  <row Id="2168" PostId="1296" Score="0" Text="While these are off-topic on the site, you can always ask in chat: http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/127/the-comms-room" CreationDate="2011-03-06T18:54:46.260" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="2155" PostId="1297" Score="2" Text="There's also the question of location. A system or service that be an excellent choice for someone in one location might be completely unusable, unobtainable or horrendously expensive, elsewhere. This is a big issue for global web sites such as SF." CreationDate="2011-03-05T01:19:03.677" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2158" PostId="1298" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138, Is inserting tags something we can all do but I never noticed or is it a mod and up thing only?" CreationDate="2011-03-05T03:25:32.857" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2160" PostId="1298" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Special syntax `[tag:microsoft]` will do it now." CreationDate="2011-03-05T05:21:55.320" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2163" PostId="1298" Score="0" Text="Could we get rid of the 'vmware' tag too please, there isn't any software called VMWare but that company does make lots of different products and it frustrates me as I answer a lot of them, it might force the questioner to add this vital information from the start." CreationDate="2011-03-05T13:28:20.397" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2156" PostId="1299" Score="1" Text="Also, a bunch of the system-administration tagged questions could be tagged `learning` as a more appropriate tag." CreationDate="2011-03-05T01:26:05.993" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2159" PostId="1299" Score="2" Text="only devs can destroy tags, but diamonds can rename and merge tags. I would also argue learning is not a good tag either, see http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/08/the-death-of-meta-tags/" CreationDate="2011-03-05T04:27:42.657" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2162" PostId="1302" Score="1" Text="The original poster asked for it to be deleted so Zypher did." CreationDate="2011-03-05T13:23:40.947" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2164" PostId="1302" Score="3" Text="and that should be the end of the story." CreationDate="2011-03-05T22:12:57.220" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2165" PostId="1302" Score="4" Text="There is a very good reason why it was deleted, as asked by the OP, so it is going to stay that way." CreationDate="2011-03-06T01:21:34.853" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2166" PostId="1302" Score="1" Text="just a quick Chopper and Mark beat me to the reason." CreationDate="2011-03-06T01:45:50.147" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="3220" PostId="1306" Score="0" Text="I think this one should go into the FAQ of StackExchange sties, every one of them." CreationDate="2011-08-15T12:46:12.393" UserId="77998" />
  <row Id="19010" PostId="1306" Score="0" Text="This does not seem to work anymore. I tested it by adding a few new unanswered questions to my favorites. I can see that one of them received an answer five hours ago, but I did not receive any notification of that." CreationDate="2015-06-14T19:48:41.403" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="2171" PostId="1309" Score="0" Text="@Mark Henderson can you give me a link?" CreationDate="2011-03-08T04:25:24.763" UserId="68579" />
  <row Id="2172" PostId="1309" Score="0" Text="Have a look at your question, it's been edited into the top of the post" CreationDate="2011-03-08T04:26:45.393" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2173" PostId="1310" Score="0" Text="Yep, a Mod will be along to take care of this." CreationDate="2011-03-08T15:38:55.827" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2178" PostId="1311" Score="0" Text="I agree on preferring with hyphen" CreationDate="2011-03-10T05:03:27.457" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2174" PostId="1313" Score="2" Text="Same. I don't think this new layout would help Server Fault as our question rate isn't fast enough." CreationDate="2011-03-10T01:45:14.550" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2175" PostId="1313" Score="1" Text="About once a month, I'll click through all my favourite tags to see if I missed anything, but there's never going to be a lot of VMS activity." CreationDate="2011-03-10T02:58:14.223" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="2176" PostId="1313" Score="1" Text="Ok, WTH.  Did I read that blog post at some point and it just bubbled up in my head today?? I feel like this is INCEPTION or something. :)" CreationDate="2011-03-10T03:18:37.547" UserId="5391" />
  <row Id="2177" PostId="1313" Score="0" Text="Also, I think that would work but the last activity would need to be tweaked." CreationDate="2011-03-10T03:19:56.720" UserId="5391" />
  <row Id="21926" PostId="1314" Score="0" Text="A workaround: you can set his [network-wide activity](http://stackexchange.com/users/262390/alex-gray?tab=activity) as bookmark or as your browser start page, although I find this type of love a little bit... uncommon :-)" CreationDate="2017-04-19T02:25:22.943" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="22804" PostId="1315" Score="0" Text="https://stackoverflow.blog/2008/12/01/why-cant-i-accept-my-own-answer/" CreationDate="2019-10-15T23:32:49.280" UserId="544689" />
  <row Id="2180" PostId="1316" Score="3" Text="I'd like to see it not be able to be entered actually, that or suggest the various 'vmware-esx', 'vmware-workstation' semi-synonyms." CreationDate="2011-03-10T13:20:15.010" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2181" PostId="1316" Score="1" Text="I was going to ask the same of [[microsoft](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/microsoft)], 230+ tagged. But could some questions be tagged [vmware] or [microsoft] *correctly* for things such as certification? At a cursory glance, many of the [microsoft] questions should also be re-tagged to their respective, specific products." CreationDate="2011-03-10T13:37:31.843" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2182" PostId="1316" Score="3" Text="Sounds like we need to go through an retag as many as is reasonably possible then blackhole the tags. OTOH, it's humerus when people say they're using &quot;VMWare&quot; to do XYZ, and when you ask them what software they repeat &quot;VMWare&quot;." CreationDate="2011-03-10T14:18:43.880" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2190" PostId="1316" Score="1" Text="@jscott, I don't even think 'vmware' would be appropriate in relation to certification to be honest, 'VCP', 'VCAP' and 'VCDX' yes, same for the MS equivs but there's never any real reason for the company name is there?" CreationDate="2011-03-11T09:52:48.883" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2255" PostId="1316" Score="0" Text="@jscott, even in the case of certification, you get certified for products or services offered by the company, not the company itself." CreationDate="2011-03-26T22:53:56.643" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2262" PostId="1316" Score="0" Text="@jscott I deleted the microsoft tag as it was quite small -- much lower than the 230+ you quoted. Safe as well, none of the resulting questions were forced to [untagged] (zero tags) as a result." CreationDate="2011-03-27T11:29:20.060" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2263" PostId="1316" Score="0" Text="@Jeff I had manually re-tagged about 180[ish? I didn't count, it was on Mar 11 though] questions before I noticed your answer below saying not to. :)" CreationDate="2011-03-27T11:37:53.700" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2823" PostId="1316" Score="0" Text="These are now all gone, who can kill this tag once and for all now?" CreationDate="2011-07-06T15:07:37.177" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2824" PostId="1316" Score="1" Text="@Chopper3 - YAY ALL GONE! I noticed you'd been working on it fairly regularly as well. Teamwork ftw!" CreationDate="2011-07-06T21:36:01.570" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2825" PostId="1316" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson: @chopper3: - I've sent an email to the team to get it blacklisted. \o/" CreationDate="2011-07-06T22:17:13.670" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2188" PostId="1321" Score="0" Text="I think weighting by favourites is an excellent idea. Regardless of the point-in-time activity, users have clearly indicated they are interest in such rooms." CreationDate="2011-03-11T01:16:45.107" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2189" PostId="1323" Score="2" Text="I actually have no idea how to deal with the developers actually - any pointers?" CreationDate="2011-03-11T09:51:29.947" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2191" PostId="1323" Score="2" Text="@chopper simply email the address at the bottom of every page where it says &quot;contact us&quot; :)" CreationDate="2011-03-11T09:57:31.290" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2210" PostId="1323" Score="0" Text="oh, that's simple..." CreationDate="2011-03-17T08:08:24.187" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2197" PostId="1324" Score="1" Text="Aside but, you/someone could kill the [wordpress-mu] tag.  Wordpress-mu is depreciated as its functionality is now part of the Wordpress core." CreationDate="2011-03-13T15:03:52.730" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2203" PostId="1331" Score="3" Text="excellent, I came in here expecting to see the usual head-scratching but I am encouraged that .. hey .. someone gets it! (in reality there is a bit more overlap between dba and SF/SO, but the spirit of what you said is correct. I consider dba for 'ninja-level' SQL questions.)" CreationDate="2011-03-15T10:11:13.163" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2204" PostId="1331" Score="1" Text="@Jeff, does that mean we should migrate non-ninja SQL questions to SO? The number we have suggests most SF members don't have an issue with them being posted on SF and I'm happy to go with the flow." CreationDate="2011-03-15T10:27:50.630" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2205" PostId="1331" Score="3" Text="@john dba is still in beta, but I feel really hard-core database config, tweaking, and tuning questions belong there, while more routine database and server configuration stuff can stay here on SF." CreationDate="2011-03-15T10:35:19.733" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2206" PostId="1332" Score="0" Text="That one has now been moved back to SF." CreationDate="2011-03-15T21:28:15.930" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2208" PostId="1335" Score="0" Text="Much better. Thanks." CreationDate="2011-03-16T03:50:09.697" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2209" PostId="1336" Score="0" Text="Thank you for doing what you do by the way, and I fully support what you discuss." CreationDate="2011-03-17T07:49:12.503" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2245" PostId="1336" Score="0" Text="(re: 3 per spammer) This reminded me of the &quot;celebrity deaths come in threes&quot;" CreationDate="2011-03-20T13:33:44.610" UserId="25640" />
  <row Id="2211" PostId="1337" Score="0" Text="This isn't just a question of what's *possible* but what's *better*. It's possible for me to walk the 25 miles to work every day but I choose to drive instead because that's more efficient. Same thing here: It's *possible* to flag in the way you describe, I've done it in fact, but that doesn't mean that it can't be made better." CreationDate="2011-03-17T20:19:35.543" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2214" PostId="1337" Score="0" Text="@Robert: please read the answers to the Meta questions I linked to, especially the last one. This feature *does exist* - for moderators, who presumably have a frequent legitimate need of it. For normal users, the focus is supposed to be on the *content*: if you're &quot;flagging a user&quot;, it should be because of something they've written... So flag *that*. The moderators will have to review it anyway." CreationDate="2011-03-17T20:33:01.257" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="2216" PostId="1337" Score="0" Text="@Shog9, I really don't care how many times this has been asked and answered elsewhere. It has not been asked before on THIS site, which is the one where we discuss issues relevant to SF. The fact that it may have been asked multiple times elsewhere merely indicates that I'm not the only one who believes it's an idea worthy of consideration. As for flagging just a single post, have another read of my question, which covered that." CreationDate="2011-03-17T20:53:50.440" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2217" PostId="1337" Score="0" Text="@John: I'm not asking you to care about other sites. But if you truly care about seeing this implemented, you'll make the effort to understand *why it isn't already available to you*." CreationDate="2011-03-17T21:03:13.973" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="2218" PostId="1337" Score="1" Text="@Shog9, it isn't that I don't understand the arguments made before, I simply disagree with them." CreationDate="2011-03-17T21:09:34.597" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2227" PostId="1337" Score="0" Text="@Robert: of course, but if you have something to add you may wish to contribute it to the discussions on Meta..." CreationDate="2011-03-18T02:52:43.253" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="2231" PostId="1337" Score="4" Text="@shog9 - no thanks, whenever i've seen people from SF discuss SF concerns on the main meta its been fairly clear that we're not welcome." CreationDate="2011-03-18T08:11:26.903" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2232" PostId="1337" Score="1" Text="@Robert, my thinking exactly but I can also understand that they view MSO as the place to discuss SO, not other Stack Exchange sites, just as we see MSF as the place to discuss SF and would not welcome SO discussions." CreationDate="2011-03-18T11:36:29.847" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2235" PostId="1337" Score="0" Text="I know what you mean John - which is why I don't want to add to the burden of either &quot;side&quot;." CreationDate="2011-03-18T14:54:23.153" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2236" PostId="1337" Score="0" Text="@John: MSO is a bit different from the other meta sites. [From the FAQ](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/faq): *&quot;If your question is about: Stack Overflow, Stack Exchange Area 51, **The core Stack Exchange engine that powers all Stack Exchange websites**... it is welcome here.&quot;* Contrast that with [the FAQ on *this* site](http://meta.serverfault.com/faq). You're asking for a change to the underlying engine - if there's a reason why SF might need it more than the other sites then you should mention that (but given the past discussion I suspect this is a site-agnostic desire.)" CreationDate="2011-03-18T15:07:38.457" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="2239" PostId="1337" Score="1" Text="@Shog9, I understand both that MSO is different and why it is so. That doesn't alter the fact that many of the participants treat it as just an SO discussion area and make those from other sites feel quite unwelcome. Of course SF is a bit different from SO and SU in that it's intended only for professionals. We therefore normally (well, much of the time at least) treat each other professionally and expect to be treated likewise." CreationDate="2011-03-18T21:47:01.800" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2241" PostId="1337" Score="0" Text="@John: If I came off as rude or otherwise unprofessional in this answer or the comments, I sincerely apologize - I merely wished to point out some information on why the system behaves as it does. I'll freely admit that I'm not especially familiar with the &quot;local culture&quot; here, so if I've stepped on any toes please be assured that was not my intention." CreationDate="2011-03-18T23:04:04.877" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="2242" PostId="1337" Score="1" Text="@Shog9, Sorry, I never meant to imply your answer was rude or unprofessional. I was referring to MSO in general." CreationDate="2011-03-19T06:35:32.560" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2228" PostId="1338" Score="0" Text="I don't know how much that will help. I've never read a tag wiki and strongly suspect that people who don't read the FAQ, and therefore post off topic questions, won't read them either." CreationDate="2011-03-18T06:37:39.713" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2213" PostId="1339" Score="7" Text="*&quot;I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced... [but I know it when I see it](http://library.findlaw.com/2003/May/15/132747.html)...&quot;*" CreationDate="2011-03-17T20:31:10.320" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2215" PostId="1339" Score="0" Text="This might be the most Zen sysadmin question ever." CreationDate="2011-03-17T20:48:15.427" UserId="5257" />
  <row Id="2224" PostId="1339" Score="2" Text="I'd like to close this question as in appropriate for this site, anyone else?" CreationDate="2011-03-17T22:50:21.947" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2229" PostId="1339" Score="0" Text="Well, I as the OP have no problem with that. But would love to know where an appropriate place for such a discussion among system administrators would be." CreationDate="2011-03-18T06:38:39.940" UserId="25640" />
  <row Id="2220" PostId="1340" Score="0" Text="Although I disagree with you that the cybernetic attempts to define a system have nothing to do with the systems that we manage, I am quite happy with both what jscott and you have replied (and thank you for that). I suspect though that our disagreement on the cybernetic definitions is outside the scope of SF and meta-SF." CreationDate="2011-03-17T21:13:41.923" UserId="25640" />
  <row Id="2219" PostId="1341" Score="0" Text="To the mods, I remember somewhere @Jeff Atwood wanted a dev to delete tags to prevent back end stuff. Just a heads up." CreationDate="2011-03-17T21:13:22.873" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="2221" PostId="1341" Score="0" Text="Yup, this is a request for the devs.  Mods alone can't do it anymore." CreationDate="2011-03-17T21:17:58.270" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="2222" PostId="1341" Score="0" Text="I didn't know that thanks!" CreationDate="2011-03-17T21:42:04.597" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="2223" PostId="1341" Score="0" Text="I thought this was a dup of this http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1298/these-tags-should-probably-be-blacklisted. I guess I didn't notice that sysadmin also existed when I made that request.  We should probably go check to see if there are any other [sysadmin] synonyms tags that also need to be killed." CreationDate="2011-03-17T22:31:48.580" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="2225" PostId="1341" Score="0" Text="Anything [sysadmin-*]" CreationDate="2011-03-18T00:08:30.883" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2226" PostId="1341" Score="2" Text="While we're at it, can anyone think of any others that should be eliminated? e.g. Should `server` be on that list or not?" CreationDate="2011-03-18T00:23:30.143" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2237" PostId="1341" Score="1" Text="+1 for &quot;Kill-with-fire&quot; tag!" CreationDate="2011-03-18T18:36:07.237" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2238" PostId="1341" Score="0" Text="@Chris heh, let's just hope I don't end up with a taxonomist for that one :)" CreationDate="2011-03-18T18:48:02.460" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="2233" PostId="1342" Score="0" Text="perhaps things have changed since I used to only flag a single post but, as mentioned in my question, I've previously see instances where the post I flagged got deleted but other spam posts by the same user were left on the site. FWIW, spammers are the only case I can envision where flagging the account would be desirable." CreationDate="2011-03-18T11:41:02.090" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2234" PostId="1342" Score="0" Text="@john that's moderator failure if so; I always destroy accounts that do nothing but post the same links." CreationDate="2011-03-18T11:55:35.427" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2240" PostId="1342" Score="0" Text="I'll go back to flagging a single post and try to monitor the outcome." CreationDate="2011-03-18T21:51:02.623" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2243" PostId="1343" Score="0" Text="FWIW, there are 74 tagged [ie8]." CreationDate="2011-03-19T12:50:28.603" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2244" PostId="1343" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I didn't plan on doing that manually :P I was going to suggest a synonym for that one." CreationDate="2011-03-19T12:51:27.447" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="2246" PostId="1344" Score="0" Text="Thanks Mark. I tried the synonym when I posted this but I don't have the required rep :( maybe someone else can propose it." CreationDate="2011-03-20T21:44:04.553" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="2247" PostId="1344" Score="4" Text="@BenPilbrow The rep-rules for synonyms are weird. It's an SO-holdover that doesn't hold up well on lower-rep sites." CreationDate="2011-03-21T01:15:15.587" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2249" PostId="1347" Score="0" Text="It is higher, there was a whack of about 9 that were migrated about the same time. Even discounting those it's still our #2 destination." CreationDate="2011-03-22T11:43:16.770" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2250" PostId="1347" Score="0" Text="Rootin tootin. I used the mod hammer heavilly on a bunch of mod_rewrite questions last month." CreationDate="2011-03-23T04:56:50.277" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2272" PostId="1347" Score="0" Text="Webmasters questions will naturally accumulate here because it's a &quot;web server&quot; that people are dealing with and they think &quot;webmasters&quot; means &quot;how do I put pictures of unicorns on my blog&quot;." CreationDate="2011-03-31T02:09:53.347" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="2251" PostId="1348" Score="2" Text="I think you could safely merge the two tags. There exist, already, the following architecture-specific tags: [64-bit](http://serverfault.com/tags/64-bit), [x64](http://serverfault.com/tags/x64), [32bit-64bit](http://serverfault.com/tags/32bit-64bit), [amd64](http://serverfault.com/tags/amd64), [x86-64](http://serverfault.com/tags/x86-64), [64bit](http://serverfault.com/tags/64bit), [32-bit](http://serverfault.com/tags/32-bit) and [win32](http://serverfault.com/tags/win32)." CreationDate="2011-03-23T15:29:31.693" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2252" PostId="1348" Score="2" Text="... and most of those shouldn't exist either." CreationDate="2011-03-24T04:16:15.940" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2253" PostId="1348" Score="0" Text="This is the kind of thing I'd have just fixed if I ran into it on my own. :)" CreationDate="2011-03-24T05:46:19.397" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2254" PostId="1349" Score="4" Text="Applied laziness (e.g. automation) is a good thing. Plain outright laziness, such as asking questions that are already covered in the relevant documentation, is a bad thing and makes for poor workmanship. It should be discouraged with a flamethrower." CreationDate="2011-03-24T12:58:49.040" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3879" PostId="1349" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers - My approach to programming is often to jump right in and hack, without reading the entire tome of documentation. Asking questions (even if their answer might be in a documentation which I haven't read) fills in a gap in this approach ... why would you take it for me?" CreationDate="2011-10-30T08:14:47.540" UserId="88" />
  <row Id="3881" PostId="1349" Score="2" Text="I can't think of a better way to create buggy software or,when applied to system administration, create broken systems that cause no end of grief for everybody concerned. What you describe is simple everyday laziness. The exact thing that needs to be eliminated." CreationDate="2011-10-31T06:43:15.790" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3884" PostId="1349" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers - let's agree to disagree." CreationDate="2011-10-31T07:27:28.303" UserId="88" />
  <row Id="2256" PostId="1353" Score="0" Text="I suspect a lot of those 700 are too vague to be readily identified for retagging, even of someone wanted to do it manually." CreationDate="2011-03-26T22:56:53.553" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2257" PostId="1353" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers: Some will be like that but many do contain sufficient information to be able to retag them correctly. The real problem with the vmware tag is that it is the first in the list when you start to type vm... so it leads to lazy tagging" CreationDate="2011-03-26T23:46:53.053" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2259" PostId="1353" Score="1" Text="@iain yes, I am cleaning all that up now" CreationDate="2011-03-27T08:09:23.417" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2260" PostId="1353" Score="0" Text="@JefAtwood: I've noticed - thanks" CreationDate="2011-03-27T08:10:36.793" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2261" PostId="1353" Score="0" Text="Thanks Jeff, as I said I'm much more concerned about people just using the plain 'vmware' tag in the future, oh and I saw your chat post about their product list, personally I find it very easy as that's what I do, it would be much worse if someone just used a plain 'microsoft' tag as they sell hundreds of products." CreationDate="2011-03-27T11:21:09.457" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2264" PostId="1353" Score="0" Text="[tag:status-completed]" CreationDate="2011-03-27T20:36:06.447" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2265" PostId="1353" Score="0" Text="@Iain - so THAT'S why so many VMWare questions were bumping to the front page!" CreationDate="2011-03-27T21:12:11.713" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2266" PostId="1353" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson: yeah - Jeff put some effort in so I thought I'd finish it. A weekend is a good time to do it too as it's usually quite quite. Would you mind checking your 2 [vmware] related questions and retag ?  Cheers ;)" CreationDate="2011-03-27T22:09:14.043" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2267" PostId="1353" Score="0" Text="@Iain - done. I'm not normally so broad with my tags, I guess I was a lazy tagger haha. Anyway it's Monday morning for me and I've already been at work for 2 hours, so enjoy the rest of your weekend." CreationDate="2011-03-27T22:34:20.490" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2268" PostId="1353" Score="0" Text="Interesting side-effect of this re-taggging effort: two more badges assigned for [`vmware-esxi`](http://serverfault.com/badges/129/vmware-esx?userid=8517)" CreationDate="2011-03-28T04:59:47.293" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2282" PostId="1353" Score="0" Text="It is a real nuisance that you have done this because although a question may be about a specific vmware product, the answers often apply just as well to the others as a lot of the configuration is the same.  Its a bit like someone asking a general sql question about select statements and you tagging it as mssql2000 just because they mentioned that was the product they happened to be using." CreationDate="2011-04-08T10:24:06.633" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="2283" PostId="1353" Score="0" Text="@james use tag wildcards like vmware* that is what they are designed for." CreationDate="2011-04-08T10:29:36.320" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2284" PostId="1353" Score="0" Text="But then you have to look through all the questions that ARE product specific because you have lost the ability to differentiate when tagging." CreationDate="2011-04-08T10:48:19.983" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="2269" PostId="1355" Score="0" Text="You can merge that also! And 'colo' and 'colocation'!" CreationDate="2011-03-30T03:50:45.860" UserId="36178" />
  <row Id="2270" PostId="1355" Score="0" Text="Well, datacentre doesn't exist, nobody has used it ;) Same goes for colo/colocation, nobody has used the colo tag yet" CreationDate="2011-03-30T03:52:44.633" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2271" PostId="1355" Score="0" Text="Can a tag synonym exist before a tag is instantiated?" CreationDate="2011-03-30T12:21:45.280" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2273" PostId="1355" Score="0" Text="@jscott No, but that's easy to fix." CreationDate="2011-04-01T11:56:31.457" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2274" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/876/edit-powers-activate-removing-hi-thanks Is where we've talked about this before. Go forth, and edit." CreationDate="2011-04-04T21:24:41.283" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2275" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 - Ahh, good to know. Feel free to close/dupe this." CreationDate="2011-04-04T21:26:44.703" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="2276" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="I think I earned the Strunk and White from these sort of edits." CreationDate="2011-04-04T21:27:58.777" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2277" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="@ErikA Personnaly I *really want* to edit out the &quot;any thoughts?&quot; thing, but that's likely just me." CreationDate="2011-04-04T21:28:21.233" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2278" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 Agreed, I typically edit those out as well if I'm feeling up to it." CreationDate="2011-04-04T21:29:31.910" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="2280" PostId="1356" Score="0" Text="Hi, I agree with this, thanks" CreationDate="2011-04-05T16:48:02.870" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2279" PostId="1357" Score="3" Text="[belongs-on-spelunking.stackexchange]?" CreationDate="2011-04-05T11:14:19.323" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2281" PostId="1358" Score="1" Text="+1. I just went on meta for this exact purpose !" CreationDate="2011-04-07T19:15:37.300" UserId="46213" />
  <row Id="2703" PostId="1360" Score="0" Text="are server and computer still around? Eeeek, computer was.. burninated. If you see any more let me know." CreationDate="2011-06-14T05:15:23.877" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2286" PostId="1361" Score="1" Text="+1 Questions from high-rep users tend to be useful to less people; so while it might build the knowledge base, I wouldn't say they're more valuable." CreationDate="2011-04-08T17:34:20.617" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2285" PostId="1362" Score="2" Text="+1 My questions would tend to be very specific to odd and &quot;edge&quot; cases. The two I've ask have gone basically unanswered as it is. Most of the questions on SF can be answered by anyone with excellent Google-Fu in the first place. The really tricky/complicated questions tend to linger unanswered." CreationDate="2011-04-08T17:33:22.070" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2287" PostId="1369" Score="0" Text="Sure makes sense to me and is confirmed by a quick look at the top few users. Evan in particular, SF's highest rep member, has certainly answered more than his share but never asked a question." CreationDate="2011-04-12T03:08:20.717" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2517" PostId="1370" Score="0" Text="John - if nothing better comes along then perhaps we can have a community wiki here on meta to keep track of them all if that is agreeable to enough people? Not what you're asking for, I know, but it might 'get the job done' in the meantime and if we find ourselves referring to it enough then that might support having something fancier put in place?" CreationDate="2011-05-10T22:01:50.443" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2518" PostId="1370" Score="0" Text="@Robert, while that wouldn't be the ideal solution (which I suspect will ever happen) it would certainly be useable. Perhaps someone who already has a list of those questions can kick it off." CreationDate="2011-05-11T02:32:36.337" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2288" PostId="1373" Score="1" Text="That's assuming every BIND question is about BIND9. What about the other versions of BIND?" CreationDate="2011-04-14T03:30:53.230" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2304" PostId="1373" Score="0" Text="I do not have any data at hand, but IMHO when someone asks about BIND its going to be about BIND9 and not about 4 or 8 or even 10." CreationDate="2011-04-15T11:37:59.440" UserId="25640" />
  <row Id="2315" PostId="1373" Score="0" Text="There are still plenty of BIND 8 installation in use and I certainly recall seeing question about that version." CreationDate="2011-04-15T22:16:13.603" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2289" PostId="1378" Score="1" Text="I give you lots of credit for asking a number of good questions that are unrelated to your product, but your answer activity needs more .. balance .. IMHO. Not every answer should be an excuse to cherry pick a place to put text that mentions your product. This is not genuinely contributing." CreationDate="2011-04-14T09:30:33.653" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2290" PostId="1378" Score="0" Text="Agreed. The balance between the number of answers posted which is considered promotional (even within the rules I suggested above) and genuine non-promotional contributions should be considered before suspending. I shall now make sure I'm contibuting much more and I think this supports the case for warning &quot;real&quot; users first." CreationDate="2011-04-14T10:04:35.503" UserDisplayName="DavidM" />
  <row Id="2310" PostId="1378" Score="0" Text="Thoughts: 1. If you're going to mention one of your products the Answer posted here must be a full answer (eg How product solves problem). Disclosure of affiliation is absolutely required, no &quot;should&quot; about it. 2. It does matter if it's open source, if your proposed solution has no chance of benefiting you in any meaningful way, you're obviously not posting from a self-interest prospective. 3. The fourth example (&quot;unfair&quot; delete) could be edited to be less advertisey and it would be acceptable if affiliation is disclosed IMHO." CreationDate="2011-04-15T17:59:40.730" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2311" PostId="1378" Score="3" Text="4. Chopper is a bit aggressive, but he only gets false-positives about once every two or three months. In this case you're somewhere in the gray area on account your answers being obviously advertising motivated; but questions being completely valid. He does a lot of garbage collection every day, so mistakes are inevitable; I'd rather he err to collecting the gray with the black; but it's just my opinion." CreationDate="2011-04-15T18:04:01.207" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2496" PostId="1378" Score="0" Text="@chris this user now maps to http://serverfault.com/users/80749/davidm" CreationDate="2011-05-08T10:09:08.087" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2497" PostId="1378" Score="0" Text="@Jeff, what are you doing on SF at 6 AM on Sunday?!" CreationDate="2011-05-08T14:26:15.887" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2501" PostId="1378" Score="0" Text="@chris well my point is, the user got incorrectly destroyed (and 7 questions with +13 votes and all their answers) which points to your false-positive prediction being.. sort of untrue. Or true, depending on how you look at it." CreationDate="2011-05-08T21:49:12.460" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2293" PostId="1380" Score="0" Text="I think there is a use for some version-numbers in tags. f.e. the Ubuntu/Windows ones... (http://i.imgur.com/xYCj8.png)" CreationDate="2011-04-14T12:31:59.997" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="2302" PostId="1380" Score="0" Text="I agree there are some uses, but is it necessary for bind? At the very least it should be bind-9 to match the format that you just showed for Ubuntu tags. Also, I think the fact that there are so many Ubuntu tags shows that lots of those questions should be on http://ubuntu.stackexchange.com and this site should be for more general server oriented questions that might apply to any version of Ubuntu." CreationDate="2011-04-14T19:27:19.683" UserId="40193" />
  <row Id="2291" PostId="1381" Score="1" Text="Sorry, but I'm not really sure *why* you think the banner is mis-leading?" CreationDate="2011-04-14T11:18:57.267" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2292" PostId="1381" Score="0" Text="I don't know if it's your logic that's at fault. Perhaps you should have taken notice of that rather large banner across the top of the page when you first came here. You know the one, about reading the FAQ. Why not take a minute and do it now?" CreationDate="2011-04-14T11:26:32.763" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2294" PostId="1381" Score="0" Text="I had a question about the .htaccess file on my server and after seeing the question here it migrated immediately at Pro Webmasters, where it belongs. I'm not sure why - maybe because a lot of (ignorant) people like me think of servers rather as machines websites are hosted on than anything else. But if those (ignorant and) confused people (me included) are not a problem, I guess my question doesn't make sense." CreationDate="2011-04-14T12:57:00.387" UserDisplayName="user78394" />
  <row Id="2301" PostId="1381" Score="2" Text="Please don't think of questions being moved in cases like yours as correcting &quot;wrong&quot; or &quot;bad&quot; behaviour. We handle general cases of network/server issues here, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a site in the stack exchange network that isn't a better fit for a specific question. As I think someone said in one of your answers, your question wasn't moved from the wrong place to the right place, it was moved from a right place to a &quot;righter&quot; place." CreationDate="2011-04-14T18:21:04.480" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2309" PostId="1381" Score="0" Text="Now I understand better why was the question moved and why the banner isn't misleading. Thank you for your comments and for your help, @Mark Henderson , @John Gardeniers , @Robert Moir !" CreationDate="2011-04-15T16:12:28.297" UserDisplayName="user78394" />
  <row Id="2295" PostId="1383" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your answer. I don't actually want to argue about the correctness of the terms used in the banner. I merely want to say that the confusion (many? few?) people make in this area leads the wrong people here and if a word mentioning a difference between Server Fault and Webmasters Pro for instance could eliminate the confusion, maybe less questions will need to migrate." CreationDate="2011-04-14T13:14:43.487" UserDisplayName="user78394" />
  <row Id="2296" PostId="1383" Score="0" Text="To a complete ignorant in the field it could be difficult to tell the difference between the two at the beginning, when maybe people like me don't even know how to ask the question they need the answer for (because we don't have enough technical knowledge to understand what is wrong, we just perceive that something is not as expected but don't even know what that something is called)." CreationDate="2011-04-14T13:15:21.393" UserDisplayName="user78394" />
  <row Id="2297" PostId="1383" Score="0" Text="So maybe my question should have been: is there any improvement that can be brought to the banner that could decrease ambiguity? What does it take to tell from the current banner that it is about one thing and not about the other? How many people knowing the difference ask questions here versus the others? I really don't want to criticize anyone, I admitted that I was at fault, but think that maybe one good chosen word could maybe make a difference. Just my 2 cents." CreationDate="2011-04-14T13:19:23.890" UserDisplayName="user78394" />
  <row Id="2298" PostId="1383" Score="0" Text="And one more thing: it's not difficult to read a quick guide, the FAQ - if you have to do it once; but when you're looking for an answer in a field you know nothing about, there are sometimes so many guides to read that you feel overwhelmed and after a few weeks you leave your intuition guide you - and if a banner or a name tricks your intuition into thinking that you're in the right place, you end up wasting your time, and the time of others, without even meaning to do it. How many people learning something totally new never made such mistakes?" CreationDate="2011-04-14T13:24:34.667" UserDisplayName="user78394" />
  <row Id="2299" PostId="1383" Score="0" Text="There are 1,412 questions found on Server Fault when I search for htaccess; if all those people who asked them are wrong, than my question here makes sense; if not - why was my question moved? This question has been visited 32 times in less than 5 hours here; my question there 41 times in 3 days - maybe it's not relevant, but maybe it is. It's not about me getting that answer, it's about (maybe lots of) confused people." CreationDate="2011-04-14T13:56:45.920" UserDisplayName="user78394" />
  <row Id="2303" PostId="1383" Score="1" Text="@keiki ... relax man, that's why this is a collaborative community. Maybe you didn't ask in the right place, that's why volunteer moderators help migrate it. Maybe you didn't tag it right, we can all fix that. Maybe you spelled something wrong, we can even edit your question to fix that and make it clearer. Just learn as you go along. As for `.htaccess` stuff being on this site, the webmasters site is new so many old questions would have been here. Also some of them would still be best here, but if they really are about administering a site they would now best be asked over at webmasters." CreationDate="2011-04-14T19:35:00.553" UserId="40193" />
  <row Id="2307" PostId="1383" Score="1" Text="You're right, I should relax, especially now that I see it is not such a huge crime being a bit confused, that I didn't make everybody angry and that this way people being able to judge better than a newbie what belongs here and what doesn't can filter the questions and make sure they end at the most appropriate place. Thank you so much for your answer and support!" CreationDate="2011-04-15T16:00:00.357" UserDisplayName="user78394" />
  <row Id="2300" PostId="1385" Score="0" Text="I'm not really interested in syntax highlighting; what I want to do is much simpler: just highlight part of the code block.  The syntax highlighting hinting linked from the other meta was a good example of avoiding markup clashes since identifying what you want to highlight is external to the code block, avoiding any issues with unintentional markup." CreationDate="2011-04-14T15:07:36.660" UserId="50996" />
  <row Id="2308" PostId="1386" Score="0" Text="Now I understand better how the flux of questions are managed here, and is clearer to me that the banner has no mistakes. But this is it, when you're a newbie you happen to bump in lots of confusing things before mastering the desired knowledge. Thank you very much for your answer." CreationDate="2011-04-15T16:01:57.327" UserDisplayName="user78394" />
  <row Id="2306" PostId="1392" Score="0" Text="@Chris &quot;Page Not Found&quot; for bottom-feeders like me.  I think that's the *super seekret 10K page* :)" CreationDate="2011-04-15T13:39:38.893" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="22557" PostId="1392" Score="0" Text="This answer seems outdated. These days that review queue is available to anyone with 2K reputation." CreationDate="2018-12-16T14:14:57.063" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="2350" PostId="1394" Score="0" Text="This raises the question of just how many do dispute the suspension. I've only seen one here on meta so far." CreationDate="2011-04-19T08:24:34.820" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2351" PostId="1394" Score="0" Text="I think I've seen 2 or 3, this would make 3 or 4; and that over a year's time. One or two of those might have been in chat too." CreationDate="2011-04-19T12:28:34.000" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2314" PostId="1395" Score="2" Text="See [this post on SU Meta, where Jeff argues in favor of niche hardware recommendations](http://meta.superuser.com/questions/2324/in-defense-of-obscure-niche-hardware-recommendation-questions). (Of course SF may or may not agree, and niche is a subjective classification.)" CreationDate="2011-04-15T21:00:58.033" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="2313" PostId="1398" Score="0" Text="I suppose I can see your point. At the same time, however, I've seen many questions looking for software packages that will accomplish a specific goal and these seem to be well received. The only difference here is that I'm looking for hardware rather than software. It's not as if I was looking for a quick answer on easily found commodity hardware.&#xA;Thanks for responding, by the way." CreationDate="2011-04-15T19:05:56.607" UserId="28433" />
  <row Id="2318" PostId="1398" Score="0" Text="@bshacklett: The difference between hardware and software is that hardware has a very short shelf life and replacement products even by the same manufacturer are often very different, making any recommendation invalid after a short while. Software on the other hand tends to be very similar from version to version and if I recommend `foo v1.0` as fitting for a certain problem, this is likely still valid for `foo 4.0` three years down the road." CreationDate="2011-04-16T10:56:16.720" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="2317" PostId="1399" Score="0" Text="I've been slammed between work, family, and personal projects of late and have posted in months... Maybe I'll make some time tomorrow morning now that I'm reminded." CreationDate="2011-04-16T03:37:04.927" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2349" PostId="1399" Score="0" Text="Wouldn't posting such URLs be advertising, which is a no-no?" CreationDate="2011-04-19T08:21:18.037" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2353" PostId="1399" Score="0" Text="@John That's kind of why I specified active members, and posted in Meta as suggested by Zypher.  If it gets out of hand with spammers down the road, we can close it.  But for now I sort of see it as SF-meta-community-building." CreationDate="2011-04-19T13:15:58.867" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2316" PostId="1401" Score="1" Text="I was pleased to find that Google Translate actually did a halfway decent job of translating even your technical articles. Sure, it was somewhat awkward as are all machine translations, but very understandable, at least the posts I read." CreationDate="2011-04-16T00:52:53.373" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="2319" PostId="1405" Score="5" Text="I'm in, and I agree, it needs dev intervention to kill this one with fire rather than us^h^h you editing the bejesus out of it." CreationDate="2011-04-16T20:06:25.563" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2340" PostId="1405" Score="0" Text="I came back. I added a tag-wiki to it saying in effect &quot;this is a useless tag&quot; and changed it. Constant vigilance will be needed to prevent its recurrence." CreationDate="2011-04-18T11:55:26.960" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2320" PostId="1406" Score="1" Text="Awesome, thanks Jeff. You have no idea how long that tag has been annoying the hell out of me :-)" CreationDate="2011-04-16T20:21:11.903" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="2321" PostId="1406" Score="0" Text="amazing service... Is now a bad time to ask about the [tag:error] tag too? http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/error" CreationDate="2011-04-16T20:21:32.697" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2322" PostId="1406" Score="1" Text="@robert sure, error is gone too" CreationDate="2011-04-16T20:22:55.290" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2323" PostId="1406" Score="0" Text="Wow... thank you :-)" CreationDate="2011-04-16T20:23:16.770" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2324" PostId="1406" Score="2" Text="Sorry Jeff, also just noticed we've got a plural [servers] as well. Can you burninate that too?" CreationDate="2011-04-16T20:29:11.227" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="2325" PostId="1406" Score="1" Text="@JefAtwood: Please Burninate [slowness]" CreationDate="2011-04-16T20:30:15.433" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2328" PostId="1406" Score="0" Text="@JefAtwood: I just found 2 questions from today (1 hour and 5 hours ago)  that had the server tag ? I thought it had been BURNINATED" CreationDate="2011-04-17T21:08:56.163" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2332" PostId="1406" Score="0" Text="@Iain, I think you have to specifically ask for blackholing as Jeff probably doesn't fully comprehend the magnitude of our burnination desires." CreationDate="2011-04-17T22:21:36.103" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2333" PostId="1406" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS: cheers @JefAtwood: please blackhole tags: server, servers, slowness." CreationDate="2011-04-17T22:24:37.363" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2335" PostId="1406" Score="0" Text="@iain I added `^servers?$` to the intrinsic tags for serverfault -- this will block them" CreationDate="2011-04-17T22:40:01.710" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2331" PostId="1407" Score="0" Text="+1 except I really don't like the [tag:kvm-virtualization] idea... how about [linux-kvm] or some/anything else?" CreationDate="2011-04-17T22:17:27.900" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2334" PostId="1407" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS KVM being a rather specific Linux technology, [linux-kvm] makes lots of sense." CreationDate="2011-04-17T22:27:01.233" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2336" PostId="1407" Score="2" Text="KVM is already ported to FreeBSD so it's not that specific." CreationDate="2011-04-18T01:05:06.073" UserId="48752" />
  <row Id="2337" PostId="1407" Score="0" Text="Anyway, retagged the only KVM switch question to [tag:kvm-switch] and left the [tag:kvm] alone with virtualisation things." CreationDate="2011-04-18T01:06:28.350" UserId="48752" />
  <row Id="2344" PostId="1407" Score="0" Text="@coredump, it's called KQemu on FreeBSD though; it should probably be a synonym or something Linux-KVM and FreeBSD-KQemu" CreationDate="2011-04-18T12:31:54.943" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2326" PostId="1408" Score="3" Text="Even if your account is deleted from all of SE, I don't see how the external sites would be affected. Lesson learned, don't post anything online you wouldn't want everyone you know to see." CreationDate="2011-04-17T12:34:14.227" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2329" PostId="1408" Score="0" Text="If you delete your account it doesn't delete all the questions. If you delete all the questions it wont affect the external sites, the Way Back Machine, and certain users can still see deleted content." CreationDate="2011-04-17T22:15:11.303" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2348" PostId="1408" Score="0" Text="SF is not the place to air your gripes about your company or your manager. The sympathy department is three doors down on the left." CreationDate="2011-04-19T08:19:15.263" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2367" PostId="1408" Score="1" Text="A good rule of thumb for the interwebs is that if you woudn't say it to their face, don't post it." CreationDate="2011-04-22T12:52:00.173" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="2327" PostId="1409" Score="0" Text="This is the correct method. When this happens the devs can make sure that all instances of the key information are purged from all sites. As a SF mod I can do it *for SF*. For the entire SE ecosystem, you'll need an SOIS employee to do the burninating." CreationDate="2011-04-17T12:41:47.147" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2330" PostId="1409" Score="0" Text="Questions from deleted accounts retain the name of the deleted user, but it doesn't link anywhere; just like question migrated from another site where the user doesn't have a SF account yet." CreationDate="2011-04-17T22:16:06.467" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2338" PostId="1409" Score="0" Text="The problem is not that data /questions which is on other site . From that one question , one can find my profile in SF . then from there he can my all questions posted where i said bad things about my company , manager etc. so if some how i can delete few questions or i can delete the account but it would make no sense if my username still says same on all questions. If that becomes anonymous then it would be good" CreationDate="2011-04-18T01:30:01.763" UserDisplayName="Please delete me" />
  <row Id="2339" PostId="1411" Score="0" Text="unless it's my own question -- apparently." CreationDate="2011-04-18T01:35:54.273" UserId="42741" />
  <row Id="2356" PostId="1413" Score="0" Text="I've seen other conference stuff on meta here before, does it not belong?" CreationDate="2011-04-19T21:14:11.583" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="2359" PostId="1413" Score="0" Text="Never heard of it, maybe you give us a short-story information what this is?&#xA;Youngest? Nevermind checked your profile." CreationDate="2011-04-19T21:20:45.620" UserId="77707" />
  <row Id="2360" PostId="1413" Score="0" Text="@muazam Post that on the main site." CreationDate="2011-04-19T21:20:56.727" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="2346" PostId="1415" Score="0" Text="No - it's that I have enough points on other stackexchange sites to comment on other people's questions, and I never previously noted the difference between the privilege required to comment on my own questions, or answers - versus those of someone else.  Combine that with FF4 behaving badly for me, and I was confused about whether it was 'just me' or not." CreationDate="2011-04-18T23:26:43.570" UserId="42741" />
  <row Id="2341" PostId="1416" Score="0" Text="Can we have ubuntu and ubuntu-10.04 then?" CreationDate="2011-04-18T12:19:33.323" UserId="48752" />
  <row Id="2342" PostId="1416" Score="0" Text="@coredump We have ludid and lucid-lynx already as synonyms of 10.04. What did you want to add?" CreationDate="2011-04-18T12:25:06.010" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2343" PostId="1416" Score="0" Text="hmm. Ubuntu? But that may start to get confusing." CreationDate="2011-04-18T12:30:45.303" UserId="48752" />
  <row Id="2345" PostId="1416" Score="2" Text="@coredump Yeah, we want to keep the 'Ubuntu' tag generic. Retaggers can add a version once it becomes clear which one the questioner is talking about." CreationDate="2011-04-18T14:13:11.603" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2347" PostId="1416" Score="0" Text="I don't know if this is really a good idea. Tag wildcards like `windows-server-*` are a better approach. The [windows] tag is meaningless by itself, which means it's a meta-tag. If I spent HOURS cleaning the site of [vmware] you CANNOT tell me that [windows] is a good idea." CreationDate="2011-04-19T01:41:59.910" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2354" PostId="1416" Score="1" Text="Windows is a better tag then Vmware.  Vmware is a company name not a product line.  If there was a `Microsoft` tag, it would be equivalent to Vmware.  A large number of the questions in the Windows tag apply to almost every version of Windows released in the last decade.  If we got rid of `Windows`, we should get rid of `linux` while we are at it." CreationDate="2011-04-19T16:58:04.707" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="2394" PostId="1418" Score="0" Text="what'd we decide on this?" CreationDate="2011-04-26T19:28:25.637" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2355" PostId="1419" Score="0" Text="I would bet that the majority of the questions tagged Windows apply to multiple versions of Windows.  I think Windows questions being pretty generic is the rule and not the exception.  I think the same is true for the other two as well." CreationDate="2011-04-19T17:06:30.473" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="2361" PostId="1419" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache, I really don't think it's a majority of those questions; admittedly I didn't look long but I'd guess ~90% shouldn't have [tag:windows]." CreationDate="2011-04-22T03:27:22.217" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2358" PostId="1423" Score="0" Text="An interesting perspective. I guess that I was coming from a recent experience - I didn't know much about a particular technology, MSSQL 2008 Mirroring, so I asked a question. As I researched, I became more knowledgeable and I'm now drawn to questions of a similar nature because my recent experience might be some use. I agree with the fewer-options-is-better philosophy in general though." CreationDate="2011-04-20T20:58:02.007" UserId="68794" />
  <row Id="2362" PostId="1425" Score="3" Text="Perhaps a better approach for us would be to pay closer attention to these tags and make a point of retagging as they come up." CreationDate="2011-04-22T04:38:22.163" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2366" PostId="1425" Score="0" Text="this is what I'm doing with [vmware]. Regarding the above [linux], [windows] and [apache] tags we need to decide what to do going forward and then make it happen." CreationDate="2011-04-22T12:41:41.010" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2364" PostId="1427" Score="0" Text="@studiohack Thanks for asking and thanks for all your work (flagging posts) here on SF! We (moderators) appreciate it very much." CreationDate="2011-04-22T09:01:40.220" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="2365" PostId="1427" Score="0" Text="no problem, glad to help! I'm a ♦ over on SU, so I know what needs to be done :)" CreationDate="2011-04-22T09:03:35.937" UserId="38380" />
  <row Id="2368" PostId="1428" Score="3" Text="This has been discussed ad nauseum by the community. We agree, this site is for people professionally supporting networks including servers, workstations, and the myriad of technical equipment that support typical business activities. The potential audience is considered when evaluating a question, not the particular questioner exclusively.  Please see the [FAQ](http://serverfault.com/faq) for a few additional details; and the [Comms Room](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/127) or [Meta](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/ask) for specific questions." CreationDate="2011-04-22T17:32:15.473" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2375" PostId="1431" Score="0" Text="@Chris S You're right.  I was confusing meta and generic.  Sorry about that, I'll edit my answer.  I still think my suggestion of an extra challenge holds though, in terms of an attempt at passive maintenance." CreationDate="2011-04-24T05:01:37.193" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2369" PostId="1432" Score="0" Text="[Here's the link from the blog](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/02/suggested-edits-and-edit-review/)" CreationDate="2011-04-23T06:09:56.057" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2370" PostId="1432" Score="0" Text="So I'm clearly not paying attention... Well at least it was a recent change.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2011-04-23T06:13:52.950" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2371" PostId="1432" Score="0" Text="Anyone who as sufficient rep to edit without approval can approve a suggested edit. You have to have &gt;10k rep to have them made easy to find." CreationDate="2011-04-23T12:27:19.340" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2372" PostId="1432" Score="2" Text="Thanks! You can tell an edit is pending if the edit link reads &quot;edit(0)&quot;." CreationDate="2011-04-23T14:14:50.850" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2373" PostId="1432" Score="1" Text="Also, high rep users can see the suggestion and who approved it, in this case &quot;Approved 22 hours ago by Mark Henderson&quot;" CreationDate="2011-04-24T03:22:59.790" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2382" PostId="1435" Score="0" Text="Automation scripts are programming, so why would there be any question of moving them here? I personally vote to move all such questions to SO." CreationDate="2011-04-26T03:42:43.193" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2379" PostId="1436" Score="0" Text="I'd swear I saw that [exact same question](http://serverfault.com/questions/246706/what-is-the-max-bandwith-of-lan-and-wan-network) asked months ago on SF." CreationDate="2011-04-25T15:43:46.503" UserId="12923" />
  <row Id="2380" PostId="1436" Score="0" Text="@Robert Harvey if it was asked here, it was probably closed as well.  But just because it was asked doesn't make it a good question.  We're of the opinion that bad questions should just die wherever they are, and not be kicked around.  By the way, the link you gave is the same link in my answer.  Don't know if you intended that." CreationDate="2011-04-25T15:49:06.543" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2381" PostId="1436" Score="0" Text="Hmm...Maybe it wasn't so long ago after all..." CreationDate="2011-04-25T15:55:06.633" UserId="12923" />
  <row Id="2376" PostId="1437" Score="0" Text="A lot of questions get migrated by the community before we get a chance to short-circuit them." CreationDate="2011-04-25T15:29:52.473" UserId="12923" />
  <row Id="2378" PostId="1437" Score="0" Text="@Robert, we don't blame the mods really... I figure you're probably aware of the situation. The community are usually the culprits of the bad moves." CreationDate="2011-04-25T15:33:02.127" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2377" PostId="1438" Score="0" Text="I like your breakdown better." CreationDate="2011-04-25T15:32:46.667" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2383" PostId="1442" Score="0" Text="But what about links to technet or msexchange.org?" CreationDate="2011-04-26T15:24:59.997" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2384" PostId="1442" Score="1" Text="@Holo, if it's just a link and no explanation as to why the link would be useful it's still unacceptable. If you're going to copy-n-paste a link the least you can do is one sentence saying &quot;Your problem XYZ is solved by ABC, more details in [link]&quot;." CreationDate="2011-04-26T15:27:12.040" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2385" PostId="1442" Score="0" Text="I can get behind that.  I just wanted to mention it as a relevant data point" CreationDate="2011-04-26T15:36:15.683" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2406" PostId="1442" Score="0" Text="@Holocryptic, Technet links die, just like any others." CreationDate="2011-04-27T01:09:46.923" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2393" PostId="1444" Score="0" Text="thank you for your persistent interest in this matter" CreationDate="2011-04-26T18:10:29.993" UserId="13725" />
  <row Id="2425" PostId="1444" Score="0" Text="I would say this is too simple of a question, under the proposed guidelines at http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/02/are-some-questions-too-simple/" CreationDate="2011-04-28T07:26:19.980" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2386" PostId="1445" Score="0" Text="Since when is a lot of people alerting moderators a reason to close?  Isn't the point to alert a moderator and let them decide?  Besides, it was probably a lot worse before Doug's edit.  (I don't know because I don't have the rep to see it pre-edit.)  Consider reading it again and explaining the reason for closure, or re-open." CreationDate="2011-04-26T16:27:05.303" UserId="52951" />
  <row Id="2387" PostId="1445" Score="2" Text="Part of moderating is about looking at what other users alert us about and using what little free time we give to the site to make the best judgements we can. We get hundreds of alerts per week and have limited time to deal with them, when we get multiple alerts from established high-rep users to a badly-written, one line question by a new user that's already been answered then it's an easy call to bring a close to the question. SF is a pretty democratic place, if enough people want a question closed or reopened then it happens even without moderators." CreationDate="2011-04-26T16:34:49.963" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2389" PostId="1445" Score="0" Text="I understand that moderators are busy on a busy site like this.  What I don't get is that now that the question has been edited, why hasn't it been re-opened?  One-line question or not, it is a simple question that is perfectly valid." CreationDate="2011-04-26T16:44:37.763" UserId="52951" />
  <row Id="2390" PostId="1445" Score="0" Text="I'll reopen it, because you're alerting me about it, but please understand that I closed it for the same reason - people asked me to. We can't know everything about every subject on this board but if a number of people say &quot;this question shouldn't be open&quot; and it's a low quality question, which it undoubtably is, then we have to listen." CreationDate="2011-04-26T16:56:05.747" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2392" PostId="1445" Score="1" Text="Thank you, Chopper3." CreationDate="2011-04-26T17:16:00.130" UserId="52951" />
  <row Id="2399" PostId="1445" Score="4" Text="@Brad, 'Since when is a lot of people alerting moderators a reason to close?' -- Always.  This is a community driven site.  If the community doesn't like it, or can't understand it, then it will most likely be closed." CreationDate="2011-04-26T20:27:20.727" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="2401" PostId="1445" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache, read through this chain again.  It has been established that the votes-to-close were made before the edit that clarified the question.  Additionally, I would like to point out that the community aspect (5 votes from those with lower rep) for closing was not reached.  The question was closed only on a moderator's opinion.  This doesn't matter though, as all of this has been cleared up." CreationDate="2011-04-26T22:09:19.150" UserId="52951" />
  <row Id="2402" PostId="1445" Score="2" Text="votes to close wasn't 5, you're right, but we had four mod-alerts stating it wasn't a real question - in my mind actually mod-alerting with a comment is more effort than a single click and gets some extra credit, especially off established, high rep users." CreationDate="2011-04-26T22:18:08.623" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2407" PostId="1445" Score="1" Text="@Brad - the answers its now gathered are arguably a saving grace but its a crap question that was rightfully closed imho. If the asker had put a quarter of the effort into asking a good question that you've put into complaining about a crap question being closed, then the question would actually be worthwhile and this discussion moot." CreationDate="2011-04-27T08:21:22.510" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2391" PostId="1447" Score="4" Text="You're looking at the monthly tab which shows the rep change this month. When you go to the user pages you get the user's current total rep or 1 whichever is the greater." CreationDate="2011-04-26T17:02:27.707" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2398" PostId="1447" Score="0" Text="As Iain points out, that's rep change. A person's rep can't go negative, it stops at 1. Also, it isn't cumulative. If you start at 1, get a -6 for a bad question, then your next question is good and you get two upvotes (+10), your rep total will be 11." CreationDate="2011-04-26T20:25:44.320" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2400" PostId="1448" Score="2" Text="Not really related to this one, but &quot;Not a Real Question&quot; is often what I pick when its something a SA really should know already." CreationDate="2011-04-26T21:07:33.270" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2405" PostId="1448" Score="3" Text="If we judged every question by the number of answers then even worst of them would suddenly appear to be great questions. No, sorry, just because it was answered doesn't make it a good question, before or after the edit. Besides, the context suggests to me that the OP is not a professional admin. His bio confirms it. The question is therefore off-topic as well." CreationDate="2011-04-27T00:57:30.660" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2424" PostId="1448" Score="0" Text="err.. I would not say 'three solid answers' when two of them are, literally &quot;SEE THIS LINK! CLICK!&quot;" CreationDate="2011-04-28T07:25:37.513" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2396" PostId="1450" Score="1" Text="I believe it only shows people who voted 11 or more times." CreationDate="2011-04-26T20:20:20.720" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2397" PostId="1450" Score="0" Text="I know I have cast a couple today.  Not sure how often those stats are calculated.  It doesn't appear to be real-time." CreationDate="2011-04-26T20:21:28.717" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="2403" PostId="1451" Score="0" Text="This was also reflected in the lower than normal number of questions and answers posted over the weekend." CreationDate="2011-04-27T00:50:16.013" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2404" PostId="1451" Score="0" Text="According to the analytics, traffic dropped substantially more than usual this easter weekend" CreationDate="2011-04-27T00:51:24.420" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2422" PostId="1451" Score="1" Text="we're looking into that, you can ping Kyle or George for more detail. Related: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/51136/remove-nofollow-on-links-at-a-certain-age" CreationDate="2011-04-28T07:15:54.040" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2410" PostId="1452" Score="0" Text="Have a look at the discussion in the comments to [this question](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1288/can-the-links-to-useful-chat-rooms-be-made-permanent) and specifically at the link that Balpha provided for me. It's one of the SE culture things that is heavily weighted by SO. It appears to be relatively easy to gain rep on SO so people come into their powers before fully understanding the culture so things are hidden from them and consequently everyone else." CreationDate="2011-04-27T14:28:04.517" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2412" PostId="1452" Score="0" Text="Thanks @lain. I see the rational, although the sites I am most active on work at a little bit different pace." CreationDate="2011-04-27T15:36:19.313" UserId="40193" />
  <row Id="2408" PostId="1453" Score="2" Text="At time of writing, the [SF Users list](http://serverfault.com/users)is 1,279 pages long ~ 46,000 usere.  [SO Users list](http://stackoverflow.com/users) is 11,300[!] pages ~ 406,800 users.  SO has roughly 10x the volume on SF, I would expect to see similar ratios in &quot;activity&quot; levels as well." CreationDate="2011-04-27T12:06:08.017" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2409" PostId="1456" Score="0" Text="I don't destroy in case I get it wrong, it has happened, the signal/noise ratio is too high to be 100% right all the time. But if that's what you're saying then fair enough." CreationDate="2011-04-27T12:30:25.910" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2411" PostId="1456" Score="4" Text="Suspending the account (or merging into a spam account) inhibits the OpenID from being used again, right?" CreationDate="2011-04-27T15:29:11.520" UserId="12923" />
  <row Id="2413" PostId="1456" Score="2" Text="@Chopper3: So if you make a 1-out-of-100 bad call, what's the real damage? Those egregious, &quot;garden variety&quot; spammers are typically new to the site with their first posts being cited as (apparently) spam. In the off chance you make a bad call, apologize for the misunderstanding and invite them to join the site again. No *real* damage has likely been inflicted because their first contribution couldn't have been all that stellar (or you wouldn't have assumed it was spam in the first go-around)." CreationDate="2011-04-27T16:17:45.837" UserId="1581" />
  <row Id="2414" PostId="1456" Score="0" Text="Agreed Robert, we're not burning their life's work are we :)" CreationDate="2011-04-27T16:24:47.520" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2419" PostId="1456" Score="1" Text="@chopper I think the relevant bit is the last bullet -- &quot;does this user *really* have any redeeming qualities or chance of reform?&quot; Most spammers are simply not worth the effort and should be deleted outright. Now, if you do encounter what you consider to be a rare borderline case, I do encourage you to use the email suspension. We generally trust the judgment of the moderators." CreationDate="2011-04-27T22:21:47.033" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2420" PostId="1456" Score="2" Text="FWIW, I, and I believe most other SF users, also trust the judgment of the moderators. Sure mistakes are made from time to time but I've seen nothing I would jump up and down about. In my opinion SF moderators have a track record of treading rather softly. Keep up the good work." CreationDate="2011-04-28T02:54:50.427" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2415" PostId="1458" Score="0" Text="Thanks Marc, Jeff's comments made me change the way I think of spammers, I always felt bad about destroying accounts but 99%+ of the ones I'd want to destroy only had a single point of rep, so clearing them away really is the best idea, I was being too 'nice' by just suspending them. That said suspending them meant they couldn't create a new account with the same OpenID I think, now I've destroyed them all I guess they're free to create new accounts? is there anything we could do about that? Ultimately the best way of stopping spammers is by not allowing new accounts to add urls to answers." CreationDate="2011-04-27T18:55:00.330" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2416" PostId="1458" Score="0" Text="@Chopper3 if we get repeat offenders, we can blacklist their pharm/watch/pr0n url easily enough; but yes: when it comes to garbage accounts **destroy away** - seriously." CreationDate="2011-04-27T19:33:29.347" UserId="1202" />
  <row Id="2417" PostId="1458" Score="0" Text="We get A LOT that post the same stuff, it'd be nice to have a mod tool to define a blacklist regex or something?" CreationDate="2011-04-27T19:43:37.087" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2418" PostId="1458" Score="2" Text="@Chopper3 mods can *see* the blacklist, but only devs can edit it - a bad regex can kill the site. Just contact Jeff or any of us, really" CreationDate="2011-04-27T20:25:04.003" UserId="1202" />
  <row Id="2423" PostId="1459" Score="1" Text="I think you have an interesting point: people in SF are expected to have made a thorough investigation before posting an answer. At least more thorough than in SO. It's reasonable but one the things I love from SO is that precisely, the fast and straightforward knowledge you can get instead of wasting time comparing 50 blogs. Doing that comparison on your own is probably worth, but sometimes you do not have that time :)" CreationDate="2011-04-28T07:17:11.263" UserId="72294" />
  <row Id="2438" PostId="1460" Score="0" Text="Another glorious SO shovel full: http://serverfault.com/questions/265128/why-i-cant-access-my-server" CreationDate="2011-05-01T04:01:20.450" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2428" PostId="1461" Score="1" Text="Ah Jeff, you're working on the assumption that people actually read the FAQ, which is not supported by the available evidence. ;)" CreationDate="2011-04-29T02:36:49.363" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2429" PostId="1461" Score="0" Text="@john well the OP is asking, so I am answering!" CreationDate="2011-04-29T05:09:20.710" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2431" PostId="1461" Score="0" Text="Thanks.  When I looked through the FAQ the first time I did not see the link referencing that page.  Also +1 for &quot;providing context&quot; to your link ;)" CreationDate="2011-04-29T15:56:52.957" UserId="75425" />
  <row Id="2427" PostId="1463" Score="1" Text="Well la-dee-da...  That was my 11th question, and so it wrapped to the second page.  My mistake, thank you!" CreationDate="2011-04-29T01:05:05.167" UserId="422" />
  <row Id="2434" PostId="1463" Score="1" Text="@geoff as we always say, the 11th question is the charm.." CreationDate="2011-04-30T08:06:33.540" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2430" PostId="1465" Score="2" Text="Any chance the help box could be more wordy to explain this exception for plus?  Thanks." CreationDate="2011-04-29T11:09:57.137" UserId="57200" />
  <row Id="2437" PostId="1465" Score="1" Text="`lost+found` is as natural to unix sysadmins as `c++` is to programmers. `lost-found` looks wrong, but it's at least comprehensible; I'd find `lost-and-found` less grating, but it wouldn't turn up in searches the way `lost-found` would." CreationDate="2011-04-30T15:39:49.633" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="2432" PostId="1466" Score="1" Text="How about that. I didn't even notice there was a new location field" CreationDate="2011-04-30T03:13:37.307" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2433" PostId="1466" Score="1" Text="FWIW, mine hasn't changed and the location field still looks as it always has." CreationDate="2011-04-30T06:58:39.467" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2435" PostId="1466" Score="2" Text="There was a big hoo-har on MSO about this. [Gory Details](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/88217/why-does-my-location-in-stackoverflow-profile-change)." CreationDate="2011-04-30T10:17:00.670" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="2436" PostId="1466" Score="0" Text="You know, I'm finding that I'm noticing things way later than a lot of other people.  Kind of like the slow kid at the front of the bus who doesn't know what's going on." CreationDate="2011-04-30T14:16:23.793" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2441" PostId="1466" Score="0" Text="@Ben, you should make that comment an answer." CreationDate="2011-05-01T07:11:09.590" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="2439" PostId="1467" Score="3" Text="Flag it to moderator for migrating the question. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2683/move-questions-between-stack-overflow-sites" CreationDate="2011-05-01T06:05:22.300" UserDisplayName="Chakra" />
  <row Id="2440" PostId="1467" Score="0" Text="This is as off topic here as it was on SF." CreationDate="2011-05-01T06:59:57.713" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2442" PostId="1468" Score="0" Text="Now you mention it it did say *The Wirral* and not *Liverpool*. I just remembered it being something that I wouldn't use. I live in Wirral or on the Wirral peninsula and definitely not Liverpool." CreationDate="2011-05-01T14:45:12.530" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2449" PostId="1470" Score="3" Text="It would be nice if questions didn't get bumped for only tag changes." CreationDate="2011-05-04T01:42:42.877" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2454" PostId="1470" Score="3" Text="Don't both with tag synonyms, just request them on mSF. Nobody has the necessary prerequisites, the system was made for SO, it doesn't work for any of the other SE sites." CreationDate="2011-05-04T17:52:05.517" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2443" PostId="1471" Score="0" Text="Since today! (:" CreationDate="2011-05-03T18:29:18.857" UserId="21550" />
  <row Id="2503" PostId="1471" Score="0" Text="see: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/90378/answers-questions-votes-cast-rules/90431#90431" CreationDate="2011-05-09T09:19:11.963" UserId="1268" />
  <row Id="2444" PostId="1472" Score="5" Text="The answer is always on MSO, the difficulty is (usually) in finding it." CreationDate="2011-05-03T18:40:10.237" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2445" PostId="1472" Score="5" Text="I've stopped visiting MSO because of all the irrelevant noise. This is why I believe that MSO should be for Stack Overflow only, and things that affect *all* sites should have their own Meta" CreationDate="2011-05-03T21:45:13.407" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2446" PostId="1472" Score="3" Text="@Mark I can only agree with you here. As the sites all get bigger, I don't think its doing either the SO users who regard that as *their* meta or the rest of us who have to remember to visit it for any meta meta discussion any favours." CreationDate="2011-05-03T22:02:30.257" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2447" PostId="1472" Score="4" Text="I find meta.SO to be too hostile to outsiders, unless you're a regular you can't take part in the discussions.  The only good thing about it is that when something has been discussed and &quot;decided&quot; you can usually find a question about it or a duplicate question with a link to the earlier discussion." CreationDate="2011-05-03T22:50:20.597" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="2448" PostId="1472" Score="4" Text="For a while I thought it was just me but it looks like others are seeing MSO the same way I am. i.e. Not a nice place at all. There should really be a dedicated site for announcements that affect the entire network." CreationDate="2011-05-04T01:31:18.763" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2452" PostId="1472" Score="2" Text="@John, unless you're already epic on SO or mSO, they're extremely hostile. Also, don't even *think* about addressing a problem that's outside the scope of SO, there are no other SE sites but SO to those on mSO. They've got a pretty extreme case of Programmer [Groupthink](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink) going on." CreationDate="2011-05-04T17:45:35.520" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2456" PostId="1472" Score="1" Text="@chris too true. On Meta Stack Overflow, if its not a problem for stack overflow itself then it isn't a problem at all, as far as I can see. For example the utter indifference when us and SF complain about being bad question dumping grounds - MSO don't care (as a group effect anyway, there are of course decent individuals there), their toilet is flushing away the bad questions just fine!" CreationDate="2011-05-04T20:07:49.953" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2460" PostId="1472" Score="0" Text="@ward that's odd.. putting aside the &quot;everything you can think of has been asked and discussed 6 times by now on meta.so&quot; burnout factor, what examples would you give to support this.. anything from http://meta.stackoverflow.com/users/130540/ward" CreationDate="2011-05-04T23:41:18.283" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2463" PostId="1472" Score="0" Text="@John Gardeniers: The dedicated site for announcements is the blog: http://blog.stackexchange.com. If that does not provide enough detail, there is a &quot;Recent Feature Changes&quot; list: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/59445/recent-feature-changes-to-stack-exchange. Beyond that lies meta.Stackoverflow, which gets into the really nitty-gritty, insider-baseball stuff. Three resources to pick from, depending on your level of interest in this stuff." CreationDate="2011-05-05T12:38:20.393" UserId="1581" />
  <row Id="2464" PostId="1472" Score="0" Text="@Robert: there's nothing on the blog about the voting changes, this is the first I've heard of the new features list (maybe there should be a link somewhere obvious?), and meta has problems as previously mentioned." CreationDate="2011-05-05T19:46:07.250" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="2465" PostId="1472" Score="1" Text="@Robert, I've been on SF for a year and 10 months, yet have never seen mention before of blog.stackexchange.com being the place where system wide announcements are made. The point of course is that this kind of information has been made anything but obvious. It's not mentioned in the FAQ and the site name certainly doesn't hint at it being an announcement site. In short, the information has effectively been hidden. Can this please be rectified?" CreationDate="2011-05-05T21:29:18.883" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2467" PostId="1472" Score="0" Text="@Robert Cartaino - I've favourited the MSO question you mention, which helps keep track of that but it doesn't alter the fact that this was effectively sprung on the majority of SF users by surprise. It doesn't alter the fact that its a (imho) *bad* idea, and it doesn't alter the fact that MSO is an unfriendly place for people from other SE sites which makes going there and trying to find info/get questions answered an incredible chore for those of us who don't 'live' at SO." CreationDate="2011-05-05T22:28:22.990" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2473" PostId="1472" Score="1" Text="@Jeff: Aren't you somewhat involved in StackExchange?  I expect you to instantly recall everything that has ever happened on the entire network of sites, including the fact that most serverfault-related meta questions were migrated off meta.SO over to here: http://meta.serverfault.com/users/6177/ward" CreationDate="2011-05-06T06:01:30.353" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="2474" PostId="1472" Score="1" Text="@Jeff some more: I haven't been too badly abused in my own questions, e.g. http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/285/whats-wrong-with-serverfault (but I still don't think it was really a duplicate) and http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/285/whats-wrong-with-serverfault  Before meta.SF existed, it was certainly almost impossible to get SF-ers to comment on questions, you'd ask a question and get lots of misinterpretations by SO-ers." CreationDate="2011-05-06T06:04:14.267" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="2475" PostId="1472" Score="1" Text="@Jeff even more: In one case I did feel set-upon and deleted my question.  Anyway, the best example of SO vs. SF was the attempt to ask SO-ers not to blindly migrate lousy questions to SF.  I think that's what most of us think of when we think of &quot;how meta.SO thinks of SF.&quot;" CreationDate="2011-05-06T06:05:44.687" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="2489" PostId="1472" Score="1" Text="@Ward your last example was certainly what I was thinking of when I said that the vibe on MSO is: &quot;if something isn't a problem for SO users then it isn't a problem full stop&quot;. Usually with an added &quot;now would you interlopers like a cookie and a sarcastic comment before you go back to your cute little websites?&quot; to follow :-(" CreationDate="2011-05-06T20:35:42.977" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2451" PostId="1476" Score="5" Text="Thank you for making me feel old by needing to put the Pentium crack in context." CreationDate="2011-05-04T17:40:02.093" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2468" PostId="1478" Score="0" Text="Wow.  Right around the time you posted this, I was going to ask the same thing because I wanted to ask other SF-ers some questions about job-hunting." CreationDate="2011-05-06T03:02:42.410" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="2471" PostId="1479" Score="0" Text="+1 Exactly what I would have said." CreationDate="2011-05-06T03:31:58.180" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2487" PostId="1479" Score="0" Text="There was a proposal about a 'programming' like site for SF for that kind of topic, but it was closed (by people that don't use SF at all). It's on area51 somewhere." CreationDate="2011-05-06T17:52:10.767" UserId="48752" />
  <row Id="2632" PostId="1479" Score="0" Text="Is there a place on SO where I can ask career-oriented system admin questions? You've stated that career development questions are considered off-topic, but what about say the choice between pursuing a CCNP certification or completing a Computer Science degree with regards to working as sys admin?" CreationDate="2011-05-29T04:54:48.530" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="2633" PostId="1479" Score="0" Text="@kce, my view, which I believe is essentially supported by the FAQ, is that SF is for asking questions about how to do the job, not about changing the job. As such I vote all career questions as off topic. If you really want career advice use a careers site or talk to a careers consultant." CreationDate="2011-05-29T05:01:07.617" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2634" PostId="1479" Score="0" Text="OK. No career stuff on StackExchange. Fair enough." CreationDate="2011-05-29T05:04:22.230" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="2470" PostId="1480" Score="1" Text="While specific questions related to aquirring an SA job or hiring SAs might be on-topic, as you mentioned there has to be something that really stands out as &quot;For SysAdmins Only&quot;, otherwise it's just another generic job question. Similarly for education questions; asking for a book recommendation for a specific topic is on-topic, while asking what degree you should go to college for is off-topic. Overall hit the mark close enough to warrant a +1." CreationDate="2011-05-06T03:31:47.527" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2472" PostId="1480" Score="0" Text="My feeling is that the majority of the community here is with @John Gardeniers on this issue, although I am more inclined to agree with you about the relevancy to HR and career questions. With that said, &quot;Is there any place where those questions *are* relevant?&quot; or are the mentor-less like myself stuck learning everything the hard way?" CreationDate="2011-05-06T04:02:02.170" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="2480" PostId="1480" Score="1" Text="On the topic of explaining technical issues in a non-technical way, whether to managers or anyone else, the wording might be job specific but the issue is the same regardless of occupation. I've been through it as an electrician, a plumber, an engineer, a programmer, etc. etc., and these days do so as a sys admin. Only the words differ. It's a skill that most of us require but is not job specific." CreationDate="2011-05-06T08:20:46.910" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2490" PostId="1480" Score="0" Text="Understood. I'm guessing you are referring to this [question](http://serverfault.com/questions/246745/the-boss-answer-what-is-a-relational-database-closed) of mine. In short... my bad." CreationDate="2011-05-06T21:12:27.647" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="2476" PostId="1481" Score="0" Text="The only activity shown for that guy is on his own questions: http://serverfault.com/users/63725/gnu?tab=activity  And it looks like he has trouble with english and with doing some work on his own before asking badly formed questions here." CreationDate="2011-05-06T06:38:57.497" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="2477" PostId="1481" Score="0" Text="Since I rejected his edits, they won't show up there." CreationDate="2011-05-06T06:40:27.977" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="2478" PostId="1481" Score="0" Text="They are in http://serverfault.com/tools/suggested-edits" CreationDate="2011-05-06T07:26:39.933" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2479" PostId="1481" Score="0" Text="@Iain: Thanks, I'll edit my question with an example." CreationDate="2011-05-06T07:44:44.153" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="2481" PostId="1481" Score="2" Text="Nice of Splattne to write to the dude but given his 1 rep I'd have been inclined to nuke." CreationDate="2011-05-06T13:15:54.750" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2482" PostId="1481" Score="2" Text="@Chopper3 It's the SF good cop/bad cop technique. ;)" CreationDate="2011-05-06T16:32:44.587" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="2483" PostId="1482" Score="2" Text="Thanks, but I am not sure what to flag to make work the easiest for mods. I couldn't find an option to flag a user or an edit, so do I flag the question or answer that is vandalized?" CreationDate="2011-05-06T16:35:37.660" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="2484" PostId="1483" Score="0" Text="Try http://serverfault.com/review" CreationDate="2011-05-06T17:27:59.380" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2488" PostId="1483" Score="3" Text="Ah, yes, another new feature that has been clearly announced on the blog and on that &quot;updates&quot; question on meta.SO that's so easy to find. &lt;/snark&gt;" CreationDate="2011-05-06T19:30:16.027" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="2485" PostId="1485" Score="0" Text="I suspect like a few things they only make it easy to find once you have a certain amount of rep. I could use http://serverfault.com/review before I got to 10k" CreationDate="2011-05-06T17:29:19.783" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2486" PostId="1485" Score="0" Text="I have a link on the front page" CreationDate="2011-05-06T17:40:09.993" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2502" PostId="1486" Score="2" Text="review link is available at 200 rep" CreationDate="2011-05-09T08:45:57.587" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2505" PostId="1492" Score="2" Text="I'll also add that downvotes on meta are a reflection of disagreement with the question, not that it shouldn't be asked.  Meta's a different beast than the main site." CreationDate="2011-05-09T21:25:32.360" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2509" PostId="1492" Score="0" Text="@Holocryptic - can you clarify that a little? (I'll admit I haven't used any meta very much.)" CreationDate="2011-05-09T21:52:33.320" UserId="80894" />
  <row Id="2511" PostId="1492" Score="1" Text="On the main site, a downvote is for a bad question (for whatever reason).  On meta, it just means we disagree with the premise of the question, not the question itself.  A little convoluted, but you can search through the older questions to see what I mean." CreationDate="2011-05-09T21:55:59.183" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2514" PostId="1492" Score="6" Text="&quot;wish my question was closed for augmentative discussion&quot; - We don't do discussions **period**. This is a Q&amp;A site, not a forum." CreationDate="2011-05-10T04:11:37.440" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2520" PostId="1492" Score="0" Text="&quot;rather than the unfounded fear of it.&quot; Hands up everyone who felt the fear.... Yeah, that's what I thought - nobody. What a ridiculous thing to say." CreationDate="2011-05-11T07:57:05.817" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="11829" PostId="1492" Score="0" Text="diras: You are right on. Folks are WAY to aggressive in closing threads around here. Makes the site unpleasant to use." CreationDate="2013-10-16T15:40:59.760" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="2507" PostId="1493" Score="0" Text="My question is very applicable; if GoDaddy set the price arbitrarily high, I would want to use another registrar. I guessed this wasn't the case, but didn't know who else would have set it. The explanation I saw on GoDaddy was that premium domains were domains &quot;more valuable because they are based on common words and phrases,&quot; which made me wonder if the third-party owner they referred to was the owner of the TLD, not the domain itself." CreationDate="2011-05-09T21:49:50.360" UserId="80894" />
  <row Id="2510" PostId="1493" Score="2" Text="Ok, you got that far.  So, if you read the rest of the link, you'll see it says that GoDaddy **doesn't own the names but is offering them on behalf of a 3rd party**.  Your attention to detail is lacking.  And your question is still not applicable.  Now you're getting into pricing, which is shopping, which is **off-topic**." CreationDate="2011-05-09T21:53:37.970" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2506" PostId="1494" Score="1" Text="But there IS a right answer to &quot;who sets the price,&quot; which is apparently &quot;the owner&quot; even if it isn't expressly stated by the registrar that it's owned by someone already." CreationDate="2011-05-09T21:43:36.853" UserId="80894" />
  <row Id="2508" PostId="1494" Score="4" Text="It *is* expressly stated by the registrar (at least in the case of GoDaddy) that the name doesn't belong to them, but to a 3rd party.  Did you not read my answer?" CreationDate="2011-05-09T21:49:54.323" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="12613" PostId="1494" Score="0" Text="Q: &quot;Who sets the price?&quot;  A: &quot;The owner.&quot;   Q: &quot;Who set the price of a premium domain?&quot; A: &quot;Premium or not (whatever premium refers to), the owner of the domain sets the price.&quot;   It was not a subjective question, because &quot;what makes a domain premium&quot; was more of an unrelated tangent that the reader may infer or ask themselves, but ultimately has no bearing on either the question or the answer." CreationDate="2014-03-25T21:23:29.787" UserId="10023" />
  <row Id="2513" PostId="1495" Score="0" Text="Isn't there a way to prevent future creation?  Or is that dev only?" CreationDate="2011-05-10T03:15:30.883" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2515" PostId="1495" Score="0" Text="@Holo, Only devs can add it and it's not worth troubling them unless the tag is likely to come up again (like VMWare et alii)." CreationDate="2011-05-10T04:12:49.683" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2535" PostId="1499" Score="0" Text="so i am guessing when i first made the Server Fault account, the feature to add +100 for the Stack Overflow account was not implemented yet. no such change in my Super User account so i must have gotten it on creation back then." CreationDate="2011-05-14T16:18:10.813" UserId="1352" />
  <row Id="2519" PostId="1502" Score="0" Text="Thanks for this. I'm still astonished that it should even be needed. One would think such information would be made more obvious and MUCH easier to find. I wonder why it's not even mentioned in the FAQ." CreationDate="2011-05-11T07:54:51.280" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2524" PostId="1502" Score="0" Text="I'm guessing that only the meta-users would be remotely interested, and we're probably a small percentage. Most likely just pop onto the site for help/entertainment. Though it does make me wonder." CreationDate="2011-05-11T12:42:04.930" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="2516" PostId="1503" Score="2" Text="Exactly. I have to admit I'm very tempted to create a Canonical meta-tag just to keep these together; for the time being I keep them in my favorites, but that doesn't help anyone else." CreationDate="2011-05-10T19:44:44.397" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2529" PostId="1503" Score="0" Text="having a tag for them on the main site is a good idea and quite do-able I would say." CreationDate="2011-05-11T21:25:20.440" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2525" PostId="1506" Score="1" Text="Looks very nice to me." CreationDate="2011-05-11T13:07:04.867" UserId="78096" />
  <row Id="2521" PostId="1507" Score="0" Text="I'm not quite sure how you'd fix it though. Render ampersands in their own span to change the font to something that still renders an `&amp;` but still fits the font?" CreationDate="2011-05-11T09:37:35.130" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2522" PostId="1507" Score="1" Text="I have literally no clue but there are some very smart dudes in the dev team." CreationDate="2011-05-11T09:54:41.537" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2523" PostId="1508" Score="3" Text="Wow. I had no idea. So that Et (which is what I thought it was in the first place) is actually a *more* correct ampersand! Who'da thunk it." CreationDate="2011-05-11T10:30:32.333" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2534" PostId="1508" Score="0" Text="love that blog link; reading through a bunch of their articles now, gonna have to make some tweaks to my site. Thank you!" CreationDate="2011-05-12T14:40:21.677" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2526" PostId="1512" Score="5" Text="It's a little ironic (more so than rain on your wedding day; that's just unfortunate).  They want us to vote more, but put caps on how often you can vote." CreationDate="2011-05-11T18:36:27.600" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2527" PostId="1512" Score="0" Text="I'll say that I got capped today at 33, allegedly." CreationDate="2011-05-11T21:00:41.217" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2528" PostId="1512" Score="0" Text="I think I got capped at 38 yesterday and today it is 36." CreationDate="2011-05-11T21:12:19.890" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2530" PostId="1515" Score="0" Text="It would appear that you only get the new badge if you cast all 40 votes. @Holocryptic gat a suffrage badge for casting 33 votes which was all he was allowed to cast." CreationDate="2011-05-12T10:29:34.677" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2532" PostId="1515" Score="8" Text="I'm glad doing sys admin stuff isn't as complicated as this voting crap." CreationDate="2011-05-12T11:00:04.237" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2533" PostId="1515" Score="0" Text="it was originally that you got 30 votes, then 10 more for questions only. People complained so Waffles tried to make it so that if you had 10 Q Votes you could cast 30 A Votes. Apparently this is not working correctly however and thus you end up with the situation you summarized: 30 to 40 depending on how you voted in the first 30." CreationDate="2011-05-12T12:25:09.623" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2536" PostId="1517" Score="1" Text="Thanks Mark. Regarding the synonyms - I would like to make them but can't as I don't have the required rep in them." CreationDate="2011-05-14T21:33:19.177" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2537" PostId="1517" Score="0" Text="@Iain - of course, sorry, I forgot about that requirement" CreationDate="2011-05-14T21:49:00.683" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2538" PostId="1517" Score="0" Text="I have emailed the team asking then to delete the Amazon tag as per your NOTE above." CreationDate="2011-05-14T23:18:31.367" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2539" PostId="1517" Score="1" Text="ok I destroyed the [amazon] tag" CreationDate="2011-05-15T02:57:12.610" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2540" PostId="1517" Score="1" Text="@Jeff - thanks, as always :)" CreationDate="2011-05-15T04:23:08.437" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2545" PostId="1518" Score="0" Text="Woooo +1 :) I take it this won't be a part of the traveling devdays?" CreationDate="2011-05-17T20:37:56.803" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2546" PostId="1518" Score="0" Text="@Mark: Well it is its own thing, but the current plan is that it will be the same venue and the day after the West Coast DevDays." CreationDate="2011-05-17T20:42:34.030" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="2554" PostId="1518" Score="0" Text="Do we have dates for that yet? Thems what approves travel budgets needs to know." CreationDate="2011-05-17T21:11:49.107" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2555" PostId="1518" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138: Not set yet, hopefully in the next week or so." CreationDate="2011-05-17T21:20:13.077" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="2562" PostId="1518" Score="0" Text="On the west coast of where? I'm guessing you don't mean Western Australia." CreationDate="2011-05-18T10:17:30.773" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2564" PostId="1518" Score="0" Text="@John Gardeniers: The US -- update the question." CreationDate="2011-05-19T13:15:24.440" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="2565" PostId="1518" Score="0" Text="Also, if this occurs during Blizzcon I'm going to be pissed!" CreationDate="2011-05-19T21:25:28.257" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3448" PostId="1518" Score="0" Text="There hasn't been much discussion about this conference. However, sounds like DevDays and ScaleDays have been cancelled: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/09/devdays-2011-is-cancelled/" CreationDate="2011-09-07T18:21:34.937" UserId="36178" />
  <row Id="2584" PostId="1519" Score="0" Text="Think we are going to go with Scalability Day -- since it is derivative, you get the pass. Will send you an email we have an actual date etc..." CreationDate="2011-05-23T17:00:50.923" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="2585" PostId="1519" Score="0" Text="Woo-hoo!    (stupid 15-char limit!)" CreationDate="2011-05-23T17:18:11.043" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="2541" PostId="1520" Score="0" Text="I think I have to grudgingly vote for this one..." CreationDate="2011-05-17T20:25:51.937" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="2542" PostId="1520" Score="0" Text="Sounds more like a reliability theme than a scale theme, though." CreationDate="2011-05-17T20:27:04.410" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="2543" PostId="1520" Score="0" Text="@Evan True, but you need scalability to keep up with ever-increasing traffic. Besides, I don't think overfitting the name to this year's theme is a good idea. The name might be reused in the future." CreationDate="2011-05-17T20:30:28.737" UserId="761" />
  <row Id="2544" PostId="1520" Score="0" Text="you can use a fake html tag (ex `&lt;fake&gt;`) as filler in Answers." CreationDate="2011-05-17T20:34:02.133" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2547" PostId="1521" Score="0" Text="Bolding it doesn't make it any better, you cheater!  :)" CreationDate="2011-05-17T20:43:28.583" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2548" PostId="1521" Score="0" Text="I'm just kidding *stop having ideas*!!!" CreationDate="2011-05-17T20:43:58.380" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2549" PostId="1521" Score="0" Text="At least I took out the obnoxious heading style that _some people_ have used!" CreationDate="2011-05-17T20:53:01.783" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="2556" PostId="1521" Score="0" Text="Reminds me of a teenage pop group, a-la *Glee* (Don't judge me, my wife watches it and we only have one TV)" CreationDate="2011-05-18T01:43:01.937" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2557" PostId="1521" Score="1" Text="@Mark You're in a room full of sysadmins.  You're being judged regardless.  That admission just makes it all the sweeter." CreationDate="2011-05-18T01:55:31.337" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2558" PostId="1521" Score="0" Text="@Holo - I've learned not to judge. Not after some of the things I've seen in people's inboxes when cleaning them out after they've hit their limits and they've asked me to purge their old messages." CreationDate="2011-05-18T02:08:22.697" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2559" PostId="1521" Score="0" Text="@Mark Hahaha!  Too many replies to cialis adverts?" CreationDate="2011-05-18T02:10:11.987" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2560" PostId="1521" Score="0" Text="@Holo - if only... at least erectile disfunction is a serious medical condition that no man should be judged on. If that were all I'd seen, I think I'd be happy..." CreationDate="2011-05-18T03:02:50.667" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2552" PostId="1523" Score="0" Text="Well, suuuure, if you want people to actually know what we're there for.  But I don't like people knowing why I'm loitering in a hotel lobby, as it usually gets the cops called on me.  So more obfuscation please." CreationDate="2011-05-17T21:05:39.063" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2553" PostId="1523" Score="0" Text="I though HASIC was somewhat obscure, and as a bonus, a pronounceable word." CreationDate="2011-05-17T21:06:34.947" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2566" PostId="1525" Score="0" Text="It's too bad I had to have this one explained to me...Which is my fault, not yours :)" CreationDate="2011-05-19T21:35:43.443" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2550" PostId="1526" Score="2" Text="Fixed the formatting for you.  :)  And I'll vote for ServerScale if you give it its own answer." CreationDate="2011-05-17T20:54:24.623" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="2551" PostId="1526" Score="0" Text="@ward You're a peach!" CreationDate="2011-05-17T20:57:07.620" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2561" PostId="1529" Score="1" Text="Huh? (stupid 15 character minimum)" CreationDate="2011-05-18T10:16:44.800" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2563" PostId="1531" Score="0" Text="`/bin/egrep` being a link to `/bin/grep` is distro dependent. On CentOS 5 it's a link on Ubuntu 9 &amp; 10 it's separate binaries." CreationDate="2011-05-18T17:21:43.153" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2567" PostId="1539" Score="0" Text="In Australia, the Libs are a political party, so you'd be going to a political conference" CreationDate="2011-05-20T09:19:56.420" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2568" PostId="1539" Score="0" Text="@Mark heh I was kinda thinking about that too.  It could also be Little Infrastructure Large Scale, or some other arrangement." CreationDate="2011-05-20T13:36:52.897" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2570" PostId="1542" Score="1" Text="Heh, looks like @splattne beat me to the rest of them :-)" CreationDate="2011-05-21T13:43:29.780" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="2571" PostId="1542" Score="0" Text="It's a race!!!!" CreationDate="2011-05-21T13:44:07.027" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2572" PostId="1542" Score="0" Text="Yeah, one that I seem to have lost while typing out this answer :P Never mind, all gone now!" CreationDate="2011-05-21T13:46:44.850" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="2573" PostId="1542" Score="0" Text="+1 for the manual labor :-)" CreationDate="2011-05-21T13:47:16.903" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="2575" PostId="1542" Score="0" Text="@splattne - my general rule of thumb is if there's &gt; 50 questions, ask a mod. Otherwise it can be handled in a few small batches manually." CreationDate="2011-05-21T13:48:14.503" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="2576" PostId="1542" Score="0" Text="@splattne can you take care of the corrupted tag as well?  I'm afraid if it's not synonymed, some wanker will use it.  Thanks for the help!" CreationDate="2011-05-21T13:50:14.933" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2577" PostId="1542" Score="0" Text="@Holocryptic done. Thank you!" CreationDate="2011-05-21T14:03:55.250" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="2578" PostId="1543" Score="6" Text="I would think we'd want `php-apc` instead of the other way around." CreationDate="2011-05-22T04:34:50.630" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2579" PostId="1543" Score="0" Text="Makes more sense.  I'm editing." CreationDate="2011-05-22T05:06:32.810" UserId="51946" />
  <row Id="2581" PostId="1543" Score="1" Text="Huh, never knew about alternate-php-cache, probably because I have [php] suppressed!" CreationDate="2011-05-22T11:41:20.227" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2654" PostId="1543" Score="1" Text="@sysadmin don't worry i'd never heard of it either and I _don't_ have [php] suppressed." CreationDate="2011-06-03T15:49:49.347" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="2580" PostId="1544" Score="5" Text="I further point out that APC is a company, not a product, so [aps-ups] make a lot of sense, as would [apc-pdu] and the like." CreationDate="2011-05-22T11:38:58.630" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2583" PostId="1544" Score="0" Text="Best option then delete and ban apc." CreationDate="2011-05-23T06:06:23.090" UserId="51946" />
  <row Id="2657" PostId="1544" Score="1" Text="I'd nuke [APC] as a tag personally - It will be re-populated with this same kind of confusion (as well as gathering every APC PDU, UPS, etc. question under the sun)" CreationDate="2011-06-03T21:02:51.153" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="2772" PostId="1544" Score="0" Text="ok apc is nuked @vore" CreationDate="2011-06-25T04:42:09.470" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2582" PostId="1545" Score="1" Text="Good point.  Either way the decision and division needs to be clarified." CreationDate="2011-05-22T11:45:24.763" UserId="51946" />
  <row Id="2586" PostId="1545" Score="2" Text="I don't think PHP-APC is off-topic.  Since properly configuring and tuning a web server is something a sysadmin would be doing." CreationDate="2011-05-23T20:40:55.197" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="2656" PostId="1545" Score="0" Text="+1 - I don't know about PHP-APC being off topic, but APC UPS questions are certainly on-topic and in my experience more likely..." CreationDate="2011-06-03T21:01:42.090" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="2587" PostId="1553" Score="0" Text="+1 - there's already a few of these floating around, we could do with a few more though" CreationDate="2011-05-25T05:07:03.863" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2589" PostId="1553" Score="2" Text="When someone did write a canonical answer and we started closing questions as a dupe of it someone took exception to us doing so just 3 paragraphs earlier than your quote above." CreationDate="2011-05-25T14:31:50.373" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2592" PostId="1553" Score="0" Text="@iain it still takes a judgment call in any case, obviously" CreationDate="2011-05-25T21:04:11.307" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2593" PostId="1553" Score="0" Text="@JefAtwood: Indeed, and I just realised I forgot to add a smiley to my comment too." CreationDate="2011-05-25T21:06:56.953" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2588" PostId="1554" Score="3" Text="+1 for 'outside their comfort zone'. The SA space is large, not all of us do everything in it." CreationDate="2011-05-25T11:33:46.703" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2627" PostId="1554" Score="0" Text="+1 - Although I'm *both* a complete noob *and* often working outside my comfort zone. :)" CreationDate="2011-05-28T23:42:48.000" UserId="78096" />
  <row Id="11526" PostId="1554" Score="1" Text="Truth is you can't expand your comfort zone without working outside of it" CreationDate="2013-08-28T08:15:44.143" UserId="72768" />
  <row Id="2595" PostId="1557" Score="1" Text="Better yet, have neither the # prefix or the &lt;Hn&gt; tags rendered in questions and answers." CreationDate="2011-05-25T21:31:21.073" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2599" PostId="1557" Score="1" Text="I'm not so sure. Used properly, they can really add to the readability. This is especially true with some of the longer questions/answers." CreationDate="2011-05-25T22:52:19.060" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="2603" PostId="1557" Score="2" Text="It is too bad that 90-95% of the time I see them use, they are being used badly." CreationDate="2011-05-25T23:31:22.943" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="2609" PostId="1557" Score="1" Text="Whether used properly or improperly they render far too large and just look like screaming." CreationDate="2011-05-26T01:51:47.777" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2597" PostId="1558" Score="2" Text="I don't rank high enough to qualify anyway but seeing as I've already dropped my membership to SAGE-AU due to its total ineffectiveness I can't see how a LOPSA membership could be of benefit to anyone over here." CreationDate="2011-05-25T21:40:02.570" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2598" PostId="1558" Score="0" Text="@John: Unless I'm misunderstanding the criteria, it looks like you're #36 for the calendar year 2011." CreationDate="2011-05-25T22:29:21.820" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="2600" PostId="1558" Score="0" Text="John: Most local groups are only as good as their members/participants make them." CreationDate="2011-05-25T22:55:16.183" UserId="69164" />
  <row Id="2608" PostId="1558" Score="0" Text="@Miles, You're right. I stupidly counted 5 across instead of 4." CreationDate="2011-05-26T01:46:30.213" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2610" PostId="1558" Score="0" Text="@Kyle, given that I would qualify but am not interested will that membership simply become void or will it flow down to the next person in rank? I'd personally prefer to see the flow down option to maximise any possible benefits to either LOPSA or SF members." CreationDate="2011-05-26T01:55:55.793" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2612" PostId="1558" Score="0" Text="How does oner see his rank for the year?" CreationDate="2011-05-26T10:02:47.033" UserId="29328" />
  <row Id="2615" PostId="1558" Score="0" Text="@Raphink, I simply went to the users page, clicked on &quot;year&quot; and (mis)counted how far down I am." CreationDate="2011-05-26T10:12:50.217" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2616" PostId="1558" Score="0" Text="@John thanks. I guess I didn't realize that I haven't been that active this year ;-)" CreationDate="2011-05-26T10:19:35.307" UserId="29328" />
  <row Id="2618" PostId="1558" Score="0" Text="@John, it will be top 40 that answered this question sorted by this years rep. Since people might already have memberships or may not be interested, I made this question so it could be on an opt-in basis. That is why I converted your answer to a comment." CreationDate="2011-05-26T12:13:19.783" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="2620" PostId="1558" Score="0" Text="Will we be fighting the evil brotherhood of PEBKAS? :)" CreationDate="2011-05-27T08:57:19.377" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="2590" PostId="1564" Score="2" Text="Hi @Raphink, good question. They currently have about 50 non-US members. There are some non-US chapters listed in https://lopsa.org/localprogram . So you don't have to be in the US, in fact starting a chapter in France would be awesome ;-) !" CreationDate="2011-05-25T20:18:05.487" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="2591" PostId="1564" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the info @Kyle." CreationDate="2011-05-25T20:19:32.697" UserId="29328" />
  <row Id="2604" PostId="1566" Score="2" Text="...wouldn't you prefer to throw it into the FIRE? :-p" CreationDate="2011-05-25T23:58:17.930" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="2605" PostId="1566" Score="0" Text="I would if I had the money to replace the software running on it..." CreationDate="2011-05-26T00:12:30.363" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="2596" PostId="1569" Score="1" Text="June 8th @MIT is the next talk, hope to see you there :-) http://www.bblisa.org/" CreationDate="2011-05-25T21:45:19.470" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="2601" PostId="1569" Score="0" Text="These meetings have been in my calendar for so long and I've never made it to one. I should try to change that. It's the curse of living in a great city - all the things you never do because &quot;I can do that anytime&quot; and then never do ...." CreationDate="2011-05-25T23:01:38.690" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="2611" PostId="1578" Score="0" Text="You could fly from Leeds for &lt;£40 return if they had a suitably timed meetings." CreationDate="2011-05-26T09:41:41.490" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2617" PostId="1578" Score="0" Text="That might be more practical (depending on the train+bus links from here, as I'm not road-safe myself). Train+ferry travel from York to Dublin isn't expensive compared to other UK rail prices (~£70 return), it just takes 8 or 9 hours so a day-trip is at least three days away." CreationDate="2011-05-26T12:11:07.273" UserId="5221" />
  <row Id="2602" PostId="1579" Score="0" Text="LOPSA has mailing lists, a fairly frequented IRC channel or two, monthly online meetings, and gatherings at various conferences. There are local chapters/affiliates, and could easily be more with enough localized interest." CreationDate="2011-05-25T23:02:13.383" UserId="69164" />
  <row Id="2606" PostId="1579" Score="0" Text="Well, I'll throw my hat in the ring, if for nothing else than try the mailing lists. See what it's like. Especially if it's educational and another resource to turn to when looking for information and assistance!" CreationDate="2011-05-26T01:02:23.340" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="2607" PostId="1579" Score="1" Text="If they have educational posters I'm sold :-)" CreationDate="2011-05-26T01:02:43.950" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="2671" PostId="1579" Score="0" Text="What kind of educational posters would you like to see? We're always looking for new ideas! Drop me a line - standalone.sysadmin@gmail.com" CreationDate="2011-06-11T03:14:13.603" UserId="4392" />
  <row Id="2613" PostId="1599" Score="0" Text="Ah yes, but if the formatting didn't look bad enough to prompt people to edit it, wouldn't that also mean the appearance is acceptable and therefor not needing to be fixed? Oddly enough, few of us are on the site just to edit other people's posts, so if this sort of thing was made a non-issue it could only be good for the site." CreationDate="2011-05-26T10:06:37.977" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2614" PostId="1599" Score="0" Text="Acceptable appearances is not the only end goal. Having the data correctly formatted also has structural components not just visual, and the data from stack exchange sites is processed and displayed many more places than just the main site with one stylesheet." CreationDate="2011-05-26T10:11:23.897" UserId="40193" />
  <row Id="2619" PostId="1611" Score="8" Text="Just for clarification, &quot;rollback&quot; means you go to the &quot;edit&quot; link, and then click &quot;rollback&quot; on a previous version" CreationDate="2011-05-27T05:29:50.783" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2621" PostId="1611" Score="0" Text="Thank you both." CreationDate="2011-05-27T15:46:09.593" UserId="82140" />
  <row Id="2629" PostId="1615" Score="0" Text="Thank you. I did not realize you had to wait a day." CreationDate="2011-05-29T01:40:44.463" UserId="82140" />
  <row Id="2638" PostId="1615" Score="0" Text="I also searched for help, but did not realize I had to go to a different, albeit related site." CreationDate="2011-05-30T02:46:05.710" UserId="82140" />
  <row Id="2639" PostId="1615" Score="1" Text="@KCotreau: Welcome to the fun of FAQs on SE! There *used to* be a link from the SF [proper] FAQ to the MSO FAQ [which is where &quot;they&quot; really describe the *functionality* of the sites] but that seems to have been removed.  Of course the MSF FAQ doesn't detail *how* SE sites work, but rather, how the *SF community* is supposed to work.  Confused? I understand. Please try to bear with it for now, SF can be a lot of fun.  Eventually, you'll come to *know* which mess belongs to which pile." CreationDate="2011-05-30T11:24:15.307" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2655" PostId="1615" Score="0" Text="Your comment made me giggle." CreationDate="2011-06-03T18:47:18.653" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2622" PostId="1616" Score="0" Text="See sysadmin1138's comment to my answer." CreationDate="2011-05-28T07:09:32.190" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2623" PostId="1616" Score="0" Text="Yup, upvoted his comment." CreationDate="2011-05-28T07:43:52.023" UserId="76707" />
  <row Id="2624" PostId="1617" Score="0" Text="I am not a ServerFault admin, but considering they're using HAProxy for a bunch of stuff (http://blog.serverfault.com/post/stack-exchanges-architecture-in-bullet-points/), and HAProxy IPv6 support is still evolving, I'm guessing they're not going to participate on IPv6 day." CreationDate="2011-05-28T15:34:27.590" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2625" PostId="1617" Score="0" Text="+1 - I was planning on asking a similar question myself :)" CreationDate="2011-05-28T21:28:12.167" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2635" PostId="1617" Score="1" Text="Why? In real and practical terms, why?" CreationDate="2011-05-29T05:13:30.253" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2637" PostId="1617" Score="0" Text="see: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/86227/world-ipv6-day/86234#86234" CreationDate="2011-05-29T22:01:22.773" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="2640" PostId="1617" Score="0" Text="@John: Because it's shiny!" CreationDate="2011-05-30T20:30:51.753" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="2641" PostId="1617" Score="3" Text="@John - because, eventually it's going to have to be accessible by IPv6. Maybe not in the next 2-3 years, but why not lead by example at making the internet better (and IPv6 will make it better, gooooooodbye NAT)" CreationDate="2011-05-30T21:52:49.533" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2642" PostId="1617" Score="2" Text="@Mark, what;'s the rush? I can't see IPv4 disappearing for at least another decade, by which time Stack Exchange may either no longer exist or have evolved into something else. NAT is a separate issue altogether and is not all bad. In fact it has a number of advantages that make my job easier." CreationDate="2011-05-30T22:03:02.743" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2643" PostId="1617" Score="1" Text="@John - well, there's no rush even as the SE guys have pointed out, they'll *think* about doing it next year. The real issue with IPv6 adoption is that nobody has really comitted to it, and until some big players do it won't get anywhere. Google have IPv6 as an opt-in, as do Facebook, but I don't know of any other big players. I actually think that the SE sites, being focussed very heavilly on highly technical people, might actually see an above average amount of IPv6 traffic (most sites report &lt; 1% IPv6 traffic, so 1% would be a huge increase)" CreationDate="2011-05-30T22:09:35.237" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2661" PostId="1617" Score="0" Text="&quot;IPv6 Day&quot; has now been and gone and I couldn't help but notice that it was one of the worlds greatest ever non-events. :)" CreationDate="2011-06-09T02:14:30.827" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2831" PostId="1617" Score="0" Text="IPv6 day coming and going without notice is a bug, not a feature.  As far as why it should be done, it's because we're basically out of IPv4 space but people are still wanting new servers." CreationDate="2011-07-08T10:30:55.043" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2626" PostId="1618" Score="4" Text="While there are some good points in that FAQ, it's written in an extremely offensive and patronising manner. I totally agree with some of the tips for asking better questions but that document itself is a charter for acting like a cranky jerk to anyone who doesn't ask a perfectly formed question, and I like to think we're (mostly) a little better than that around these parts. I hope we can take the good from that guide and leave the bad behind. And I wouldn't want to encourage the idea that people have to read a massive long document like that (whether rude or not) just to ask a question" CreationDate="2011-05-28T21:53:31.923" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2630" PostId="1618" Score="1" Text="I'm with Robert.  I enjoy ESR, but he can be a bit much sometimes.  Also, this assumes that the OP *wants* to take the time to better themselves.  Frankly (and maybe this is my cranky jerk sysadmin coming out) I feel that if they couldn't take the time to string together a coherent thought and reasonable question for a problem that is obviously vexing to them (and possibly costing money), then they aren't going to take the time to go to another site to learn how to do it.  In which case, I'm not going to be bothered trying to decipher their half-assed question." CreationDate="2011-05-29T02:41:55.260" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2631" PostId="1618" Score="1" Text="Also, we can't be expected to provide what basically amounts to hand-holding for things that in reality require an onsite paid consultant to figure out.  That's *way* outside the scope of SF, not to mention what anyone can reasonably provide doing drive by refreshes during the workday." CreationDate="2011-05-29T02:44:56.057" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2636" PostId="1618" Score="0" Text="I've read this several times but can't for the life of me see how it addresses the question that was asked." CreationDate="2011-05-29T07:52:33.277" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2644" PostId="1621" Score="1" Text="In a few instances I've migrated it to the other site and flagged it over there as the true-dupe it is." CreationDate="2011-06-01T11:32:05.683" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2650" PostId="1621" Score="2" Text="You totally got this, but just to emphasize it in case anyone isn't clear: *DO NOT MIGRATE CRAP!!*" CreationDate="2011-06-02T10:31:56.960" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2646" PostId="1624" Score="2" Text="You reckon [pxeboot] should be the primary tag?" CreationDate="2011-06-02T01:43:47.610" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2645" PostId="1625" Score="0" Text="Seriously, was setting three favourites really so hard? Have you considered the impact of your proposed change to those who want separate and distinct favourites on the sites they visit?" CreationDate="2011-06-01T22:02:01.147" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2647" PostId="1625" Score="0" Text="@John Gardeniers, i don't see how it would be that big an impact if you were given the option to &quot;import&quot; your favorites from another site.  the picture i had in mind was for people that might have, say 10, 20+ favorites (i know some people that could/would follow that many) that it would be nice to import from one site to another, especially since sites like so, sf, and cr do have an overlap when it comes to tags" CreationDate="2011-06-02T05:35:15.587" UserId="41605" />
  <row Id="2648" PostId="1625" Score="0" Text="my comment addressed your specific question about favourites carrying over between sites, not an optional import function, which is a whole other animal altogether." CreationDate="2011-06-02T05:42:28.660" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2649" PostId="1625" Score="0" Text="@John Gardeniers, edited my question" CreationDate="2011-06-02T05:46:18.163" UserId="41605" />
  <row Id="2651" PostId="1628" Score="2" Text="Ok but you'd think that ads for other SE sites would at least look like that's what they are, rather than just an extremely annoying eyesore. Nearly as bad as that idiotic &quot;Do you haz the codez&quot; one." CreationDate="2011-06-02T21:45:26.983" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2652" PostId="1628" Score="2" Text="I agree with that. Some sort of consistant branding would be great. A Stack Exchange logo in a corner or something, so you can tell at a glance if it's a SE ad or a commercial ad." CreationDate="2011-06-02T22:06:48.877" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2653" PostId="1629" Score="0" Text="I agree and that SE frame should go way down the bottom of the page, where it won't be just an irritant. Many of us have cross-site interests but few of us have the same ones. Strange as it might seem, I don't come to SF to find out about cooking or excessively pedantic use of the English language or any of the other SE stuff. Maybe it's just my weird way of looking at things but I'd have thought it would be more productive and effective to advertise SE sites in places where people with the relevant interests might go." CreationDate="2011-06-03T02:56:02.610" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2658" PostId="1633" Score="1" Text="I suspected as much. It seemed rather obvious with the entire front page of SF being filled with Backup Exec questions. Throwing this idea out there: would it make more sense to have only moderator/community-approved edits bump a topic to the top of the front page?" CreationDate="2011-06-05T08:54:54.903" UserId="68794" />
  <row Id="2659" PostId="1633" Score="1" Text="@growse, OT for this question but edits should bump the question so the community is aware of what users are doing. Users are highly discouraged from doing mass edits/retags like that, and even more so during the work week. Devs can mass retag without bumping; if that is needed for a tag post in mSF and they'll take care of it. Back OT, as Jeff suggests, unless one version is substantially different from another, it should not have a version tag." CreationDate="2011-06-07T02:23:43.303" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2660" PostId="1637" Score="1" Text="Yay for mod hammer" CreationDate="2011-06-08T02:51:37.067" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2663" PostId="1638" Score="11" Text="While I don't disagree with the idea, I would like to point out that an awful lot of users who aren't moderators also spend a disproportionate amount of time working to ensure the quality of content here. Just sayin'" CreationDate="2011-06-09T23:23:03.310" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="2665" PostId="1638" Score="0" Text="Ok, try it this way - Couldn't the design be improved so that they aren't such an eysore?" CreationDate="2011-06-10T00:47:31.237" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2666" PostId="1638" Score="5" Text="@John, I like the design, simple and elegant, and definitely inline with current trends in monochromatic design. And besides that, you're not a Mod, you don't get one anyway. =P" CreationDate="2011-06-10T02:21:27.373" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2669" PostId="1638" Score="4" Text="I could write a three pages answer emphasizing that most sysadmins  are modest and dry people, but instead I'll just post it as a tl;dr: AWESOME!!! ME WANT!!!" CreationDate="2011-06-10T06:27:28.503" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="2667" PostId="1639" Score="1" Text="Agreed, if you were going to speak or some similar high profile duty, these would be very valuable; otherwise, more of a trinket." CreationDate="2011-06-10T02:23:53.863" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2668" PostId="1640" Score="4" Text="Yeah, us mods aren't the only ones doing high profile work. Good point." CreationDate="2011-06-10T03:27:15.877" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2672" PostId="1640" Score="0" Text="Ditto and thanks! Saved me from typing the same thing on this bitty phone keyboard." CreationDate="2011-06-12T04:17:18.747" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="2673" PostId="1642" Score="2" Text="The only programming issues I have tend to be of the &quot;nothing else can proceed&quot; variety too..." CreationDate="2009-05-20T15:17:07.450" UserId="1403" />
  <row Id="2674" PostId="1646" Score="0" Text="Yes, I realise that and I agree.&#xA;&#xA;I was just thinking about the typical problems I myself run into (I am a 70% system engineer/30% developer according to my job description) tend to be can-work-on-it-for-a-day programming problems and must-be-fixed-immediately system configuration problems.&#xA;&#xA;That said the only (real) question I posted here so far is a can-work-on-it-for-a-days system configuration problem." CreationDate="2009-05-20T15:32:49.757" UserId="3214" />
  <row Id="2675" PostId="1647" Score="0" Text="Pretty much exactly what I'd say.  The answer is instantaneous if it's already there.  If not, you get the answer later and it is instantaneous for the next person to ask." CreationDate="2009-05-20T17:07:26.180" UserId="2649" />
  <row Id="2676" PostId="1648" Score="0" Text="+1 for this observation." CreationDate="2009-05-20T15:19:12.420" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="2677" PostId="1648" Score="0" Text="Good point. Often I don't even have to ask my question because it's already been asked and answered." CreationDate="2009-05-20T15:28:46.240" UserId="3183" />
  <row Id="2678" PostId="1648" Score="0" Text="I also think that most system administration problems aren't the &quot;omg must fix NOW&quot; type.  Many are &quot;what is a better way to do this&quot; type things.  Kind of like bug fixes." CreationDate="2009-05-20T15:40:29.413" UserId="2502" />
  <row Id="2679" PostId="1654" Score="2" Text="For values of 10 equal to 5 ;-)" CreationDate="2011-06-12T21:35:53.813" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2696" PostId="1655" Score="0" Text="It has not been updated still? It seems to take really long." CreationDate="2011-06-13T15:42:52.813" UserId="81502" />
  <row Id="2686" PostId="1656" Score="0" Text="You're top-40 across the entire site, so I don't think much calculation is needed to figure out you'd be top-40 in the LOPSA draw ;)" CreationDate="2011-06-13T11:40:50.150" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2690" PostId="1656" Score="0" Text="@Mark Well unfortunately if you base it on just this years numbers (which I think is what they were doing), then I drop down to 50 (I blame the new job), but I'm pretty sure there were at least 10 people ahead of me who weren't in it." CreationDate="2011-06-13T13:13:02.333" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2691" PostId="1656" Score="0" Text="@Zypher took this over when I left for a conference. I believe we needed a couple of the winner's real names -- then we will send the list over to LOPSA. So the list should go to LOPSA this week, then it will be on their timeline." CreationDate="2011-06-13T13:48:02.083" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="2695" PostId="1656" Score="7" Text="Might I request that the list of those who (a) made the grade and (b) opted-in via the meta thread is posted somewhere, so that those of us who aren't expecting to hear from LOPSA can stop worrying about this?  Thanks!" CreationDate="2011-06-13T14:32:29.843" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="2680" PostId="1657" Score="0" Text="Totally agree about not bumping closed questions, not sure about not bumping after tag change - after all it will cause the correct people to see it won't it?" CreationDate="2011-06-13T07:57:34.313" UserDisplayName="Shadow Wizard" />
  <row Id="2681" PostId="1657" Score="0" Text="@Shadow, the majority of these questions have answers already so maybe in this case you are right. How about &quot;Don't bump after tag change *if accepted*&quot;?" CreationDate="2011-06-13T08:00:12.500" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="2682" PostId="1657" Score="0" Text="If there is no bump after a tag change, it is less lickly that a invalid tab change will get stored out." CreationDate="2011-06-13T08:09:19.050" UserId="11421" />
  <row Id="2683" PostId="1657" Score="0" Text="sounds good, however looks like it won't go through. :/" CreationDate="2011-06-13T09:32:33.527" UserId="84372" />
  <row Id="2694" PostId="1658" Score="0" Text="Sorry for the spamming, Jeff...  See my comment on @sysadmin 's answer." CreationDate="2011-06-13T14:21:14.110" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="2684" PostId="1659" Score="1" Text="fine, so long as it's based on &quot;things that actually happened on Server Fault&quot; and not &quot;everything we might imagine *could* happen on Server Fault.. eventually..&quot;" CreationDate="2011-06-13T10:22:30.197" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2760" PostId="1659" Score="1" Text="I'm sure no one is suggesting that answers that could enable someone to break the law should be banned from the site.  &#xA;&#xA;Would it perhaps be better to rewrite questions that directly seek info on how to do something illegal?" CreationDate="2011-06-24T09:03:34.943" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="2687" PostId="1660" Score="0" Text="How about a checkbox visible for members with, say, 2k+ rep that says &quot;Don't bump to front page&quot;. This would prevent flooding the page with edited questions in the scenario you just described?" CreationDate="2011-06-13T12:01:17.597" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="2688" PostId="1660" Score="0" Text="@tom I think it was also fairly mild in this case, you're talking about, what.. 6-8 posts? I don't support a &quot;make my edit secret so nobody can double-check it&quot; checkbox, by the way." CreationDate="2011-06-13T12:15:02.907" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2689" PostId="1660" Score="0" Text="@Jeff your point is fair, for 8 posts. For @SysAdmin1138's mass retag a button would be useful, although (due to the &quot;hide it and hope no-one notices&quot; abuse potential) I did suggest a minimum rep (or even mod status)." CreationDate="2011-06-13T12:25:49.283" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="2693" PostId="1660" Score="0" Text="Yes, that's on me and I am sorry for the homepage spam. Sorry guys, I'll keep it to a minimum if I do that again.  In this case I was retagging questions that had the single [tag:sysadmin] tag hoping that we could kill that tag (from a previous request I posted)." CreationDate="2011-06-13T14:20:27.153" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="2698" PostId="1660" Score="0" Text="@squill do you want the [sysadmin] tag destroyed? I can do that" CreationDate="2011-06-13T21:03:19.320" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2699" PostId="1660" Score="0" Text="@Jeff Yes, see my question from a while back - http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1341/kill-sysadmin-tag-on-sf-with-fire" CreationDate="2011-06-13T21:08:34.920" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="2730" PostId="1660" Score="0" Text="@squillman, sorry, I should have contacted you through other means than M.SO/M.SF. Thanks, though." CreationDate="2011-06-20T12:48:19.343" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="2741" PostId="1661" Score="3" Text="A “sniff test” is not a proper way to judge posts. Apply the mod hammer on licensing violations? Ok, if you're *sure* they're licensing violations: are you a lawyer? in the asker's juridiction? Did you review this particular license? If you didn't, you're not in a position to reject the question. (You're free not to answer, of course.) Subverting IT policy? That's a pretty common job requirement in my experience." CreationDate="2011-06-21T19:26:21.717" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="2742" PostId="1661" Score="1" Text="@Gilles, you're free to disagree, but you'll find that most of the mods and frequent contributors will agree with 100% of what I said. There are times when something about a post just doesn't seem right - perhaps when the OP doesn't appear to be giving the whole story. In an ideal world we'd be able to assume that everyone has good intentions, but unfortunately that's not the case. The mission of this site is to promote and encourage *good* systems and network practices - when something doesn't adhere to that, it needs to get closed." CreationDate="2011-06-21T19:38:37.090" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="2743" PostId="1661" Score="2" Text="Yes, I do know I'm outvoted. But it would be unethical for me not to speak up when the majority is doing something that's wrong, both morally and practically." CreationDate="2011-06-21T19:44:16.303" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="2744" PostId="1661" Score="3" Text="@Gilles, I fail to see how keeping away from legally questionable topics is morally or practically &quot;wrong&quot;. I don't 100% agree with Erik, but disagree that we should get lawyers involved to determine the legality of a question before closing it. Who's being impractical now?!" CreationDate="2011-06-21T19:59:10.700" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2748" PostId="1661" Score="2" Text="@Gilles, you're forgetting that SF is essentially a community driven site and the community collectively makes decisions that affect the site. As most of us take the concept of professionalism pretty seriously we see only harm in allowing questions that conflict with that view. Sometimes it's not enough to just ignore those questions that we find offensive, we need to actively cull them to try and maintain a site that we feel comfortable using as part of our toolkit as professional admins." CreationDate="2011-06-22T02:19:29.490" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3652" PostId="1661" Score="1" Text="What about system security????  I have definitely asked questions about subverting security to test my servers! I also could easily imagine IT themselves attempting to subvert IT.  Should we make those cases explain themselves, who the hell are we other than sysadmin?" CreationDate="2011-09-29T17:11:46.347" UserId="77571" />
  <row Id="3653" PostId="1661" Score="1" Text="If something is 100% illegal if performed as stated, I can see the point.  Things that &quot;Might&quot; be illegal if performed, should be given the benefit of the doubt.&#xA;&#xA;More importantly, I personally, believe if something is not illegal for serverfault to publish, it should slide.  Knowledge itself is w/ exception not illegal, I assume I don't need to provide the legal interpretation of the first." CreationDate="2011-09-29T17:17:05.250" UserId="77571" />
  <row Id="2704" PostId="1662" Score="1" Text="I don't think we need to modify the [FAQ] those of us that vote all sing from the same sheet already." CreationDate="2011-06-14T08:55:34.957" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2705" PostId="1662" Score="0" Text="If we're adding close reasons, I'd like to make it &quot;Likely to be illegal, or dangerous&quot;. As well as questions I feel conflicted about from an ethical or legal viewpoint, I've also seen ones that I thing might be dangerous, e.g. the 'fridge as a rack' question - water and electricity don't mix!" CreationDate="2011-06-15T13:32:54.270" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2717" PostId="1662" Score="2" Text="I'd like to see the a small addition to the FAQ under the kind of questions not to ask, bullet 6: &quot;the answer involves circumventing licensing, corporate/network policy, or applicable laws&quot;." CreationDate="2011-06-20T01:21:56.160" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2740" PostId="1662" Score="2" Text="Why would you close gray hat questions? And no, you're not going to find a definition of ethics. @Robert fridge as a rack definitely deserves a safety warning, at least as a comment if not an edit; there's no reason why it should be deleted." CreationDate="2011-06-21T19:23:57.477" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="23064" PostId="1662" Score="0" Text="Illegal under what jurisdiction? What if X is illegal in country A but legal in Country B?" CreationDate="2022-08-14T12:03:11.280" UserId="1223" />
  <row Id="23065" PostId="1662" Score="0" Text="@hlovdal This is why we *don't* have that close reason, in spite of me occasionally desiring otherwise. US-centrisim is rife in the tech industry, we don't need to contribute to it." CreationDate="2022-08-16T22:53:47.730" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2701" PostId="1664" Score="0" Text="A couple of times now I'll run across a question with two flags and four close votes by the time it gets on my mod-radar. That's fast work." CreationDate="2011-06-14T01:46:14.320" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2702" PostId="1664" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138, some of us don't stuff about when it comes to closing those ones. ;)" CreationDate="2011-06-14T02:22:14.053" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2706" PostId="1666" Score="0" Text="I'm gunna wait for others to weigh in first before doing anything, but there are 29 questions for [tag:career], and only 4 have been closed (yet), although the majority probably should be." CreationDate="2011-06-15T22:33:29.430" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2707" PostId="1666" Score="0" Text="@Mark, any idea why only 2 showed up when I clicked on the tag?" CreationDate="2011-06-16T00:51:38.490" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2708" PostId="1666" Score="0" Text="@John - nope, no idea" CreationDate="2011-06-16T01:59:50.313" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2711" PostId="1666" Score="0" Text="@john you had the FAQ tab highlighted rather than newest." CreationDate="2011-06-16T06:13:59.527" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2712" PostId="1666" Score="0" Text="@Iain, no I didn't, but I think you're close. I just went to the tags and searched for &quot;career&quot;. I then clicked the tag and just two questions appeared and it turned out the unanswered tab has highlighted. The odd thing is that one of those questions does have an answer. I think I'll just stick to the front page in future. At least that seems to work the way I expect it to." CreationDate="2011-06-16T07:29:42.253" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2716" PostId="1666" Score="0" Text="@john see http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2008/09/ok-now-define-answered/" CreationDate="2011-06-16T20:42:48.780" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="8761" PostId="1666" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers I found a useful answer to a question with a `career` tag - and it's yours.  http://serverfault.com/a/130354/78219&#xA;please see &#xA;http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5270/why-does-career-tag-exist" CreationDate="2013-02-28T22:25:57.557" UserId="78219" />
  <row Id="2709" PostId="1667" Score="5" Text="I'm guessing that the byline (author of the page) is always stamped under the heading. But yeah, it does look a bit odd." CreationDate="2011-06-16T03:22:08.010" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2710" PostId="1667" Score="0" Text="@Mark That could make sense..." CreationDate="2011-06-16T03:23:14.263" UserId="12350" />
  <row Id="2713" PostId="1667" Score="1" Text="It never even occurred to me that Zypher had another name. Then again, I'm just getting used to not seeing Farseeker around here. :)" CreationDate="2011-06-16T11:12:17.220" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2714" PostId="1667" Score="2" Text="It is a wordpress theme thing, don't see an author option for &quot;pages&quot;. Will fix it .. eventually :-P" CreationDate="2011-06-16T12:45:40.253" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="2715" PostId="1668" Score="1" Text="better add someone else to that list, as I have no use for the membership. Thanks all the same." CreationDate="2011-06-16T14:02:32.233" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2735" PostId="1672" Score="2" Text="well, as iDevices are specific platforms, they _may_ be related to server administration..." CreationDate="2011-06-20T18:11:37.433" UserId="46213" />
  <row Id="2737" PostId="1672" Score="0" Text="Indeed! We have both apple.se and SuperUser for targets for those." CreationDate="2011-06-20T20:11:53.430" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2738" PostId="1672" Score="7" Text="I am not sure they are always off topic. I.e. an enterprise rollout of iPhones as Exchange clients would likely be on topic." CreationDate="2011-06-20T20:42:05.007" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="2739" PostId="1672" Score="2" Text="If it is an enterprise rollout, [ios] wouldn't really be a good tag IMO. [iphone] and [ipad] do exist, but I'd only not close them unless it was absolutely clear this was for an enterprise deployment." CreationDate="2011-06-20T21:36:39.563" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="2745" PostId="1673" Score="5" Text="We're not the government, we don't have to assume innocence until proven guilty. If the questioner doesn't like it, they're free to find another website. This is a professional site before technicalities, process and procedure is at least as important as technical capability." CreationDate="2011-06-21T20:01:17.017" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2747" PostId="1673" Score="6" Text="While morals and ethics are fluid concepts at best, professionalism demands a degree of honesty and integrity that makes some questions and answers unacceptable. e.g. Asking how to break into someone else's system is unacceptable, no matter what the local laws and customs are." CreationDate="2011-06-22T00:57:42.040" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2761" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="Is there an example of when someone asked to break into someone else's system, or is all this theoretical?" CreationDate="2011-06-24T11:42:59.050" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="2785" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="@dunxd, I can't find an example right now but that question most certainly has been asked more than once." CreationDate="2011-06-27T02:22:03.593" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3654" PostId="1673" Score="1" Text="@John Gardenier, you forget that breaking in someone's else system sometimes is considered a profession." CreationDate="2011-09-29T17:23:03.177" UserId="77571" />
  <row Id="3655" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="@Chris S, we should be able to have those &quot;process and procedures&quot;  defined.  Even if I don't like the answer, I'd want it from serverfault.com or stack exchange.  what is acceptable and what is not, and what to do about it, should be clearly defined.  Personal opinions from the community, and self righteous moderators, are just opinions. I don't believe, because you have reputation for providing quality answers, you should get to decide &quot;process and procedure&quot;.  moderating in general is done for the benefit of site.  the site needs to define what that benefit looks like." CreationDate="2011-09-29T17:32:34.987" UserId="77571" />
  <row Id="3656" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="I'd except any official answer, even if the answer is 100% the discretion of the moderating community.  It seems it would serve everyone the best to have something explaining. I appologize for any misunderstanding,  I might not understand how this whole stackexchange thing works.  Which again could be served best by having something about it in the FAQ.  (which I have read, and IMO is lacking on the flagging and bad answer section)" CreationDate="2011-09-29T17:40:07.773" UserId="77571" />
  <row Id="3657" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="@TechZilla, we're not concerned with the technicality that someone might consider breaking into someone else's system a profession. The vast majority would agree that such activities are not ethical and material describing how to do so is therefore not welcome on SF. Each SE site has it's own administrative/moderator teams, there might be some overlap, but it's not really intentional. You seem a bit confused, you start with &quot;Personal opinions from the community .. are just opinions&quot; then go on to &quot;the site needs to define [the] benefit&quot;. So do you want the community's opinion or not?" CreationDate="2011-09-29T18:13:19.743" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3658" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="Further, if you feel you have been victimized by a moderator you are free to e-mail contact the SE team (contact us link at the bottom of every page) for their review. I'll mention that some users have felt this site should be a free for all in the past; some of them have been blocked and the rest all left. Each SE site focuses on a specific group of people, not the public at large. The goal is not to be all inclusive..." CreationDate="2011-09-29T18:24:52.397" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3659" PostId="1673" Score="1" Text="@Chris, &#xA;&#xA;regardless of anyone's opinion, systems security is not a &quot;technicality&quot;.  Systems People have been fired over break ins, and need to know the threats out there.  In general you would hire a security auditor, but the fixes all fall on us." CreationDate="2011-09-29T18:39:52.583" UserId="77571" />
  <row Id="3660" PostId="1673" Score="1" Text="@TechZilla I'm not sure I follow. Discussion security vulnerabilities is not the same as telling someone how to break into a system. The former is a welcome aspect of system administration. The latter is the gray/black area we don't deal with. A good example is the Apache Range vulnerability; it's good to know what versions are vulnerable, and workaround to patch them. It's not acceptable to post a script (or even to describe how it would work) to exploit a vulnerable server." CreationDate="2011-09-29T18:42:20.613" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3661" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="and what I meant about &quot;personal opinions&quot;... I did not (and still don't) care about any given individual's feeling about this subject.  It does not answer the question.  Who decided to make this site called &quot;serverfault&quot;, was it the community?  Who decided it was for professionals?  You really can't deny that certain security questions are related to our profession." CreationDate="2011-09-29T18:45:54.837" UserId="77571" />
  <row Id="3662" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="I'm not talking about the guy who states his illegal intention of subverting servers he doesn't administrate.  I'm talking about the person who is trying to secure servers, and understand what is out there, to better protect themselves.  One person's actions would be legal, one would not." CreationDate="2011-09-29T18:48:08.890" UserId="77571" />
  <row Id="3663" PostId="1673" Score="2" Text="@Chris: In addition, who really has never been victimized by a self righteous mod before?  mabey not here, but elsewhere.  they exists, they always will exist, and we should at least try to protect discussions that are legal if put to action." CreationDate="2011-09-29T18:49:55.177" UserId="77571" />
  <row Id="3664" PostId="1673" Score="2" Text="Just knowing what version of what software is vulnerable, does not address less common situations.  Sometimes it is necessary to discus the how to. For example if you want to prevent exploits with mod-security rules, or .htaccess.  Patches sometimes show up too late.  Sometimes you can't upgrade software (I've been there, for a slew of reasons)  I can understand not giving a tutorial for script kiddies, but we should be able to deal with them appropriately.  If it seems fishy, it may be.  I'm just saying we shouldn't be closing any topics about such subjects without context." CreationDate="2011-09-29T18:59:37.440" UserId="77571" />
  <row Id="3665" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="@TechZilla If you want to get Jeff involved you can certainly try. I wont put words in his mouth, but he did put the moderation system in place as it stands now, and for a reason. Regardless, we aren't interested in legal technicalities. Laws change from one place to another. We aren't going to use any of them as a measuring stick. We've been through this discussion before regarding administrative password reset techniques. The community implemented policy stands. If it's a really light shade of gray discussion, the community will likely allow it. It's usually much more cut and dry however." CreationDate="2011-09-29T19:00:34.663" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3666" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="I understand not trying to be all inclusive, but these grey areas are our issues.  think about this, police know how people commit crimes and where they commit them.  I also want to know, if serverfault provides any explanation for closed posts?  I think that information will guide people in the right direction." CreationDate="2011-09-29T19:04:23.237" UserId="77571" />
  <row Id="3667" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="could you point me to the post about &quot;administrative password reset techniques&quot;  or discussion.  I want to get an understanding for what level of subjectivity the moderators have." CreationDate="2011-09-29T19:09:03.403" UserId="77571" />
  <row Id="3668" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="@TechZilla Please take it to [chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/)." CreationDate="2011-09-29T19:13:32.977" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="3669" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Please take it to [chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/)." CreationDate="2011-09-29T19:13:38.577" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="3671" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="@TechZilla, some people consider things such as car theft to be a profession but does that make it any more acceptable to the victims when their cars are stolen?" CreationDate="2011-09-29T21:48:38.023" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2754" PostId="1676" Score="0" Text="I'm struggling to understand how you see an attempt to get around a block of IPSEC as anything but an attempt to get around a block of IPSEC, no matter how you word it." CreationDate="2011-06-23T00:35:35.743" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2756" PostId="1676" Score="2" Text="@John dunxd's point is that an attempt to get around a block of IPSEC is not intrinsically unethical or unprofessional. It's an attempt to get around a block of IPSEC, no more. As such, it should not be censored." CreationDate="2011-06-23T19:55:31.483" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="2750" PostId="1679" Score="0" Text="Glad I can be the one to break the news.  But the rest of the team should have a lot more information coming out about the rest of the conference soon.  All I can say for now is that its going to be pretty darn cool." CreationDate="2011-06-22T23:03:57.113" UserId="79282" />
  <row Id="2757" PostId="1679" Score="2" Text="The sooner the better, some of us have travel-submission deadlines." CreationDate="2011-06-23T20:28:16.303" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2833" PostId="1679" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 This just came in:  http://scalability.serverfault.com/" CreationDate="2011-07-08T21:04:46.457" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2834" PostId="1679" Score="0" Text="And the discount code is here: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/06/devdays-is-back/" CreationDate="2011-07-08T21:09:21.557" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2835" PostId="1679" Score="0" Text="@Holocryptic Pinging my boss again on that one." CreationDate="2011-07-08T21:12:15.297" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2836" PostId="1679" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin Cool, hope you can make it out there." CreationDate="2011-07-08T21:13:50.367" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2749" PostId="1680" Score="0" Text="Yay!  That's great to hear.  Now just need to find out your favorite type of pizza :-D" CreationDate="2011-06-22T23:03:10.420" UserId="79282" />
  <row Id="2751" PostId="1680" Score="0" Text="@AlexMiller There is at least one more DC-local who I know is an SF regular." CreationDate="2011-06-22T23:07:43.417" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2755" PostId="1680" Score="0" Text="that's great - any other good folks are always good to bring in" CreationDate="2011-06-23T14:03:24.023" UserId="79282" />
  <row Id="2758" PostId="1680" Score="0" Text="@AlexMiller That would be me.  I'm game for DC." CreationDate="2011-06-23T20:31:44.290" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2752" PostId="1681" Score="0" Text="And put down you are (but only in the good way, not the insulting way or anything)" CreationDate="2011-06-22T23:16:03.430" UserId="79282" />
  <row Id="2753" PostId="1681" Score="2" Text="Well, everyone who has a grudge against me now knows when I'm going to be somewhere, now all they need is the Where and they can come and put me down in real life. Downside of using your real name on the intertubes I guess." CreationDate="2011-06-22T23:26:07.910" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2759" PostId="1683" Score="0" Text="I don't think we have to retag those questions...most, if not all, of them should just be deleted." CreationDate="2011-06-24T03:30:56.167" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="2769" PostId="1683" Score="0" Text="@Jason, at least a good chunk of them would be appropriate for SU or unix.SE" CreationDate="2011-06-25T02:25:01.587" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2770" PostId="1683" Score="0" Text="@Chris - All but 2 have already been migrated. So we can safely delete them here knowing that they already have a home somewhere else." CreationDate="2011-06-25T02:27:06.640" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="2771" PostId="1683" Score="0" Text="@Jason, sorry meant the &quot;home-network&quot; tag, not &quot;home-use&quot;. You are correct in regards to the latter." CreationDate="2011-06-25T02:30:57.993" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2774" PostId="1683" Score="0" Text="@Jason Plus, I'm not a fan of deleting questions unless they are absolutely shite.  Closing and migrating should be fine." CreationDate="2011-06-25T13:44:25.093" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2762" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="Well... devs have access to the burninator. I can merely merge them with their better cousins." CreationDate="2011-06-24T14:47:20.227" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2779" PostId="1687" Score="5" Text="&quot;crap&quot; is only used in the context of site-to-site question migrations, because we feel strongly that one site should not use another site as a &quot;dumping ground&quot; for questions they don't want. It's not really meant as a slight on your question. Your question is simplistic, but it is not bad. I have seen so much worse..." CreationDate="2011-06-25T20:51:28.703" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2763" PostId="1688" Score="5" Text="Also, not the OP's fault, but it should *never* have been migrated to Server Fault, it should have been sent to Super User *if anywhere at all*" CreationDate="2011-06-24T23:20:41.777" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2764" PostId="1688" Score="0" Text="@Mark I don't see that question as having been migrated from somewhere else, unless you see something I don't." CreationDate="2011-06-24T23:26:07.300" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2766" PostId="1688" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson: I didn't notice it being migrated in to SF. Surely if it had been we wouldn't have had the option to migrate it out to SU (which would have been migrating crap...)?" CreationDate="2011-06-24T23:31:34.003" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2768" PostId="1688" Score="1" Text="Uuh, my bad. I was looking at the wrong question." CreationDate="2011-06-25T01:37:21.737" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2773" PostId="1688" Score="0" Text="@Mark, and yours is the hand we trust with the almighty Mod Hammer?  Egads, I weep... :P" CreationDate="2011-06-25T13:32:32.807" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2780" PostId="1688" Score="1" Text="@Holo - I'm not quite sure what that's meant to mean... I'll have you know I do my modding very seriously. There was nothing *for* me to mod, which is why I didn't pay it very close attention." CreationDate="2011-06-25T21:52:46.140" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2781" PostId="1688" Score="0" Text="@Mark I was only kidding...  You have to a apply a &quot;He's not really being serious&quot; filter to about 90% of what I say :)" CreationDate="2011-06-26T00:17:41.147" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2767" PostId="1689" Score="1" Text="Agreed...I did vote to migrate, but should have just voted to close. Note to self to pay more attention to that in the future. :)" CreationDate="2011-06-25T01:25:03.900" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="2765" PostId="1691" Score="1" Text="I can barely remember what I had for breakfast, much less what someone asked the day before." CreationDate="2011-06-24T23:27:58.483" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2777" PostId="1691" Score="0" Text="&quot;crap&quot; is only appropriate in the context of migration -- as a scary word to *prevent* migration of things that aren't good enough -- not as a general term." CreationDate="2011-06-25T20:46:57.770" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2786" PostId="1691" Score="4" Text="+1 for that last sentence. As far as I'm aware nobody here holds grudges for previous posts. More than once I've downvoted a question or answer, then within minutes upvoted another by the same person. I have no reason to think that makes me unique." CreationDate="2011-06-27T13:45:32.443" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2775" PostId="1693" Score="4" Text="I'm afraid I beg to differ when you say this is an OK user question. I stick by what I said in my comment that the message tells you very clearly what to do. I don't know how much clearer you can make **WARNING: Immediately back-up your data and replace your hard disk drive. A failure may be imminent.**" CreationDate="2011-06-25T14:47:05.657" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="2776" PostId="1693" Score="1" Text="@BenPilbrow Windows displays a lot of scary messages, and it's not always a good idea to take them at face value. Users can't even tell a genuine antivirus warning from a pop-up ad in a web page. So asking what this message really means is absolutely a valid question." CreationDate="2011-06-25T15:01:49.550" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="2778" PostId="1693" Score="5" Text="I understand what you're saying, but it does seem a tad ... obvious ... in this case." CreationDate="2011-06-25T20:49:33.743" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2797" PostId="1693" Score="2" Text="This wasn't Windows giving this error, Giles, this is not some website popup. It's a message displayed by the BIOS very early on in the boot sequence. Sometimes people have to accept that a message says what it means and means what it says, &amp; if they're not able to make *that* distinction themselves then *any* online resource is unlikely to be able to help. I'm not saying that all users should be able to figure this stuff out, but I am saying that if they *can't* then they should take the computer to a repair shop because diagnosis over the web is too difficult and problematic in that case." CreationDate="2011-06-28T17:28:19.327" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="2788" PostId="1704" Score="0" Text="I see the conceptual difference you mention, but is that born out in usage? Time for some cleanup or do the available tags need fixing first?" CreationDate="2011-06-27T22:06:13.933" UserId="40193" />
  <row Id="2789" PostId="1704" Score="1" Text="@Caleb - qos and traffic shaping are both in theory and in practice quite different things, and they require different solutions. QoS is administered quite differently to traffic shaping. QoS is often a client-side protocol, and traffic shaping is a server- (or gateway-) thing." CreationDate="2011-06-27T22:09:54.103" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2790" PostId="1704" Score="0" Text="Do `rsync --bwlimit` and friends fall under `traffic-shaping`? They're surely `bandwidth-control`." CreationDate="2011-06-27T22:16:28.377" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="2791" PostId="1704" Score="0" Text="@Gilles - not familiar with rsync. Feel free to post your own answer with your belief though :)" CreationDate="2011-06-27T22:46:30.827" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2792" PostId="1704" Score="2" Text="@Gilles Since Rsync bwlimit does its limiting in the app itself rather than via QOS, I'd call that use-case traffic-shaping. The entity doing the traffic management is an application well above the TCP layer. QOS is in the TCP/IP protocol stack." CreationDate="2011-06-27T23:28:08.420" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2793" PostId="1704" Score="2" Text="@Gilles, we shouldn't let program/application options/parameters become tags, unless there is some really overwhelming reason to do so, so the apparent similarity of `--bwlimit` and `bandwidth-control` is quite irrelevant." CreationDate="2011-06-28T00:18:12.917" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2794" PostId="1704" Score="0" Text="QoS is policy as applied to traffic (queue priority, CBR, CIR, DBR, etc). Traffic-Shaping is applying bandwidth policy to particular types of traffic. While they're very closely related, there's a different. In-App QoS or Traffic-Shaping is part of the paricular app and shouldn't be tagged as the others (unless the question related to their interaction of course)." CreationDate="2011-06-28T02:17:32.953" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2796" PostId="1704" Score="0" Text="@Mark: My question about usage wasn't about real-world application of the technology, it was about current usage of the existing tags on ServerFault. Is this distinction useful in sorting the current questions and are the proper tags actually applied to questions? Or is everything just tagged with whatever comes to the OP's mind (including all three because they don't know the difference)?" CreationDate="2011-06-28T11:00:32.967" UserId="40193" />
  <row Id="21952" PostId="1704" Score="0" Text="Bandwidth control--to me--seems like a broad term to describe any technologies to reduce and restrict bandwidth such as throttling/shaping, caching, whitelisting/blacklisting. Traffic shaping implies certain types of traffic are restricted. QoS is sort of the opposite--certain types of traffic are  prioritized in the case of congestion. Maybe it would be good to see how they're being used?" CreationDate="2017-05-08T16:11:39.810" UserId="197459" />
  <row Id="2787" PostId="1705" Score="6" Text="I would propose synonyming them *all* to `rate-limiting` as it seems to be the most appropriate and non-ambiguous tag" CreationDate="2011-06-27T21:59:33.877" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2795" PostId="1705" Score="2" Text="Just bear in mind that `throttle` and `throttling` also have non-network definitions. It's something we are sometimes tempted to do to users, bosses, clients, colleagues, etc." CreationDate="2011-06-28T10:43:58.020" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2798" PostId="1706" Score="2" Text="Can we do the same with 'vmware' too please, we got that down and now there's 144 :(" CreationDate="2011-06-29T08:03:49.733" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2799" PostId="1706" Score="1" Text="I don't think mods can blacklist tags, we can only synonym them to something else. Hopefully someone from SE sees this." CreationDate="2011-06-29T08:55:58.160" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2800" PostId="1706" Score="1" Text="The tag blacklist is controlled by devs." CreationDate="2011-06-29T11:20:30.547" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2801" PostId="1706" Score="0" Text="I don't believe it - another vanilla amazon tag this morning" CreationDate="2011-06-30T00:35:27.517" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2802" PostId="1706" Score="0" Text="@chopper you can't blacklist a tag that *currently exists*" CreationDate="2011-07-02T09:33:35.373" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2804" PostId="1706" Score="0" Text="Balls, so if we clear them all down can we do it then or will the fact that it *once* existed still limit us?" CreationDate="2011-07-02T12:48:09.150" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2803" PostId="1707" Score="0" Text="What is supposed to happen with a blacklisted tag? I was just able to ask a question and tag it amazon." CreationDate="2011-07-02T11:26:07.947" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2805" PostId="1707" Score="0" Text="@iain it's definitely listed in the blacklist table correctly." CreationDate="2011-07-02T21:33:02.513" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2808" PostId="1707" Score="0" Text="@JefAtwood: I can still ask a question with the amazon tag http://serverfault.com/questions/286466/what-sould-be-done-about-the-amazon-tag?noredirect=1" CreationDate="2011-07-02T21:43:50.493" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2810" PostId="1707" Score="0" Text="@iain see my response there. Patience..." CreationDate="2011-07-02T21:59:51.217" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2806" PostId="1708" Score="0" Text="Ah, I just realised what you were testing. I see now. My bad. I should have just closed it." CreationDate="2011-07-02T21:41:52.837" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2809" PostId="1708" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson: This has worked out OK as the noredirect=1 [link](http://serverfault.com/questions/286466/what-sould-be-done-about-the-amazon-tag?noredirect=1) allows Jeff to see it complete with the [tag:amazon] tag." CreationDate="2011-07-02T21:46:26.653" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2811" PostId="1709" Score="0" Text="I guess I expected the blacklist to be more dynamic than that. Thanks for the help." CreationDate="2011-07-02T22:11:42.490" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2813" PostId="1710" Score="0" Text="From what I can see, you have 9 badges. You may have been looking on your Meta account, which usually has a lot less badges than the main site. Having no badges here is not unusual at all." CreationDate="2011-07-04T00:43:28.910" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2814" PostId="1710" Score="0" Text="Thanks @Mark, I was just a little surprised that the *first* time I clicked on `meta` at the top of the SF page, I was informed I had a yearling badge. It does make sense, though that the 'drive by posters' (as I like to call them) with no badges, outnumber regular visitors." CreationDate="2011-07-04T01:11:29.620" UserId="16307" />
  <row Id="2812" PostId="1711" Score="0" Text="Ok, I see it may not be unusual (and I thought I was special ;-D). I'll definitely come back, but maybe not too often." CreationDate="2011-07-04T00:35:04.830" UserId="16307" />
  <row Id="2815" PostId="1712" Score="0" Text="+1 from me for this idea." CreationDate="2011-07-04T12:07:06.550" UserId="65598" />
  <row Id="3092" PostId="1712" Score="0" Text="+1 Great idea! As a recent asker of such a question, it seems unprofessional for this community to just throw its hands up.  I agree it's a question like &quot;how long is a piece of string?&quot;, but it's a question people in the profession have to answer every day... and the treatment here just blows my mind." CreationDate="2011-07-29T12:55:58.247" UserId="13570" />
  <row Id="2817" PostId="1713" Score="2" Text="Is PIX &gt; ASA totally legit though? Because a PIX box has &quot;Cisco PIX&quot; written on the front of it, not &quot;Cisco ASA&quot;" CreationDate="2011-07-04T21:40:22.293" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2819" PostId="1713" Score="0" Text="I admit, it's a gray zone.. Perhaps others can comment/discuss further on" CreationDate="2011-07-04T23:28:33.323" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="2820" PostId="1713" Score="0" Text="Hopefully someone else will come along with an opinion ;) Otherwise if nobody has an opinion within a few days I'll make the merge. Honestly I don't think it's going to be an issue, becuase I don't think people really check their tags after creating their question." CreationDate="2011-07-04T23:37:20.133" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2821" PostId="1713" Score="0" Text="I agree with John and Mark below - the PIX and ASA are separate product lines, with separate configuration syntax, capabilities, etc. They should stay separate." CreationDate="2011-07-05T02:44:14.547" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="2816" PostId="1717" Score="3" Text="took the words out of my mouth ;) Unfortunately since I do a fair amount of coding and scripting, I've become accustomed to spelling things incorrectly. Colour particularly" CreationDate="2011-07-04T21:38:39.860" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2818" PostId="1717" Score="3" Text="I'm only kidding of course, happy independence day to all USA-SFers." CreationDate="2011-07-04T21:55:36.440" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2828" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="You're just sore losers  =P" CreationDate="2011-07-07T21:04:10.613" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2822" PostId="1720" Score="0" Text="Yeah, true. Lets leave them separated." CreationDate="2011-07-05T11:21:32.180" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="2851" PostId="1722" Score="0" Text="We're looking into it for you!" CreationDate="2011-07-11T23:26:34.093" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="3163" PostId="1722" Score="0" Text="This is the latest http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/1526892#1526892" CreationDate="2011-08-09T17:40:11.767" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3167" PostId="1722" Score="0" Text="Many thanks for the update; sorry both for slightly nagging, and slightly pointless nagging (being an idiot, I missed that someone else - who has even had the courtesy to since remove their answer - had added a fresh answer to bump this up, and got a comparable answer - shortly before I did)." CreationDate="2011-08-10T06:42:45.913" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="2830" PostId="1724" Score="0" Text="It may be worth pointing out that the first question is a programming issue (you need to sanitize your input), so is off topic for SF." CreationDate="2011-07-07T23:59:27.667" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2826" PostId="1725" Score="0" Text="I do the same except for RFC 1918 addresses." CreationDate="2011-07-07T20:53:59.577" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2827" PostId="1725" Score="5" Text="I use [RFC 5737](http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5737) addresses when I remember to do so." CreationDate="2011-07-07T20:55:32.070" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2829" PostId="1725" Score="1" Text="@Chris S - Wow, another day, another RFC learned that I had never seen before. Thanks!" CreationDate="2011-07-07T21:44:51.560" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="2832" PostId="1726" Score="3" Text="one quick comment. There's no need to sign your posts, in fact it's strongly discouraged. Your sig block is posted with each question or answer you give, so anything else is just noise." CreationDate="2011-07-08T16:48:35.450" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="2840" PostId="1726" Score="0" Text="QuickBooks has a **strong** stigma of being end users' software and not closely coupled to system administration (in fairness, QB is the best of the *cheap crap accounting software*). Five users thought SU was a better fit, that's all it takes." CreationDate="2011-07-10T01:23:04.453" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2841" PostId="1726" Score="0" Text="Fair enough! Thanks for the point on the signature too, I'll keep that in mind. When I think &quot;desktop professional&quot;, I have always thought of someone doing advanced technical work (including software installation). I must be in the minority. But this is a good discussion, both the answers and these comments. Thank you." CreationDate="2011-07-10T01:30:07.550" UserId="57332" />
  <row Id="2837" PostId="1730" Score="0" Text="Gotcha, so the dup-canidate didn't mention point-to-print, so it wasn't an exact match for the question. Thanks!" CreationDate="2011-07-08T21:57:48.240" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="2839" PostId="1731" Score="0" Text="Short Answer: No" CreationDate="2011-07-10T01:09:34.620" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2845" PostId="1736" Score="0" Text="Just a note to contributors in this thread: One person per post, please. That way upvotes are given to one potential speaker and not confused by a gaggle of potential speakers in one post." CreationDate="2011-07-11T23:05:12.473" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="2848" PostId="1736" Score="0" Text="Does anyone know anyone from somewhere like Facebook that started with a small system and ended up having to hyper-scale it? I've read a bit lately how they've been stung by decisions that were good for a startup, bad for a mega-giant, but you never know how much of it is real or hyped." CreationDate="2011-07-11T23:14:31.567" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2850" PostId="1736" Score="5" Text="Also, although it's not directly related to scalability, I'm seeing so much mis-information about IPv6, it would be great to have someone teach the fundamentals of IPv6. Man I wish I could go to this conference." CreationDate="2011-07-11T23:16:23.420" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2852" PostId="1736" Score="0" Text="What joker voted to close this as too localized? O_o" CreationDate="2011-07-11T23:47:03.627" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="2854" PostId="1736" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid, that would be me. The question is about a conference in a single city. How much more localised can it get?" CreationDate="2011-07-12T07:28:57.650" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2855" PostId="1736" Score="5" Text="To redressing John's concern, it would be ultra spectacular if some (or even all) of the presentations could be put up on the scalability.SF site. I know there are *a lot* of people who wish they could go, but it just isn't feasible." CreationDate="2011-07-12T12:49:39.830" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2858" PostId="1736" Score="0" Text="@John Okay, fair enough. But I thought that since it was sponsored by the site as a whole it would be a body of information that would be shared with and benefit the entire group. Even though I likely won't be able to go there, I'll probably benefit from the talks." CreationDate="2011-07-12T21:33:14.347" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="2919" PostId="1736" Score="0" Text="This is one of those times that I wish I didn't work in mainly small business networking. I regularly scale my Server Fault rep, but that's about it..." CreationDate="2011-07-19T20:42:53.733" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="2842" PostId="1738" Score="1" Text="You can't earn rep from meta.SF; but thank you for restating what others have already said." CreationDate="2011-07-11T18:21:46.003" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2846" PostId="1740" Score="0" Text="That would be totally awesome." CreationDate="2011-07-11T23:10:29.410" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2847" PostId="1740" Score="0" Text="I used to think I knew what I was talking about with vsphere and SANs. Turns out I know almost nothing compared to people like chopper3." CreationDate="2011-07-11T23:12:28.620" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2849" PostId="1740" Score="4" Text="It's amazing the amount of knowledge that is encompassed by the people that frequent the site.  I wish I was a little better at absorbing it all." CreationDate="2011-07-11T23:15:45.070" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="6104" PostId="1745" Score="6" Text="Apparently not much has happened here for about a year, so I decided to bump the question by editing." CreationDate="2012-05-09T12:59:05.507" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="12989" PostId="1745" Score="5" Text="(nearly) 2 more years pass without action :( Does it really take 4 years to get some css tweaked ?" CreationDate="2014-05-07T20:33:53.173" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2859" PostId="1747" Score="1" Text="I think it depends on the monitor as well.  At a couple of my sites, I have #@$@ monitors, and the links are hard to see.  They show up fine at home though.  I do like the link style on Meta.SF though" CreationDate="2011-07-12T21:52:52.507" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="2860" PostId="1747" Score="0" Text="I'm guessing the site was designed with a beautiful 27&quot; Apple display that does near perfect colour reproduction, whereas in the real world we're using shitty glossy laptop screens, early-model 12ms LCDs and 24&quot; LEDs with the brightness turned up so high you can turn the lights in the room off. And that's just what I've got sitting on my desk." CreationDate="2011-07-12T23:26:41.260" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2861" PostId="1747" Score="0" Text="Those glossy displays have beautiful colors; it's the matte displays that mute all the tones and suck the life out of the screen." CreationDate="2011-07-12T23:44:41.243" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2863" PostId="1747" Score="0" Text="I visit SF from a number of different computers, with a range of monitors (including laptops). I don't find the links very clear on any of them. And yes, I have had a colour blindness test. Perhaps you have your colours set to abnormally bright." CreationDate="2011-07-13T08:01:06.577" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="12048" PostId="1747" Score="1" Text="It also depends on your _operating system_. The blue is much more difficult to see on Windows than it is on Mac OS X or Linux." CreationDate="2013-11-24T05:16:38.340" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="6103" PostId="1748" Score="5" Text="So can we have it changed then? Pretty please?" CreationDate="2012-05-09T12:58:09.157" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="6222" PostId="1748" Score="0" Text="I often miss them, and again, use the site from several different devices." CreationDate="2012-05-24T22:57:12.960" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6701" PostId="1748" Score="0" Text="+1 to actually get it changed! Especially for those of us who don't use Chrome ;)" CreationDate="2012-08-08T15:47:31.243" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="10017" PostId="1748" Score="0" Text="+1 yes this: I'm posting raw URLs in comments from now: http://serverfault.com/questions/497977/exchange-wildcard-certificate-with-openssl-generated-csr#comment557647_498116" CreationDate="2013-04-10T17:59:39.970" UserDisplayName="user83664" />
  <row Id="2862" PostId="1751" Score="4" Text="&quot;Slight but significant&quot; - I'm definitely quoting that one at some point in the future. =P" CreationDate="2011-07-13T00:56:09.327" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2864" PostId="1753" Score="0" Text="See: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/92452/cdn-sstatic-net-is-slowing-down-initial-page-loads - please go and voice your opinion on there as well!" CreationDate="2011-07-13T09:00:28.610" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2865" PostId="1753" Score="0" Text="P.S. It's not really off topic, but thats the only close reason that came remotely close" CreationDate="2011-07-13T09:01:08.080" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2870" PostId="1753" Score="0" Text="Am I the only one who has noticed that all such problems are posted by people using Chrome?" CreationDate="2011-07-15T09:04:29.607" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2871" PostId="1753" Score="0" Text="An interesting observation, but is there enough data to support that as the likely cause?" CreationDate="2011-07-15T10:25:45.160" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2866" PostId="1754" Score="0" Text="Can you please provide links to the questions you're talking about?" CreationDate="2011-07-13T23:55:59.087" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2867" PostId="1754" Score="0" Text="http://serverfault.com/questions/290122/change-ownership-of-a-file-owned-by-current-user-without-using-sudo-closed" CreationDate="2011-07-14T00:05:31.323" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="2868" PostId="1756" Score="0" Text="Really. I know I only migrate when content is nigh identical, which happens due to two sources: double-posts (rare), and migrated cross-posts." CreationDate="2011-07-14T02:32:09.043" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2873" PostId="1760" Score="7" Text="well, in all honesty, it is a bit of both. The important part is enforcing question quality, that is, it's OK to ask questions of professional sysadmins *provided you have done your homework first*." CreationDate="2011-07-17T03:23:03.193" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2881" PostId="1760" Score="0" Text="I can relate, and asked something similar a few months ago. http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/973/sick-of-unprofessional-questions" CreationDate="2011-07-17T08:10:17.617" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2887" PostId="1760" Score="7" Text="FWIW, my interpretation of &quot;professional&quot; or &quot;professionalism&quot; is related to how the person does the job, not whether they are being paid to do it. Conversely, just because someone is being paid to be a sysadmin doesn't in and of itself make make that person a professional sysadmin, as is amply demonstrated by some of the questions and answers being posted on SF." CreationDate="2011-07-17T22:24:14.663" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2888" PostId="1760" Score="0" Text="@Mark: Yeah, I found Joel's answer in a link-clicking fiesta from sysadmin1138's post.  I'm not sure it answers the question I posed, but it certainly answers the larger issue of my frustration." CreationDate="2011-07-17T22:45:56.750" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2874" PostId="1763" Score="0" Text="I get your point, and I'm thankful for the links you provided (Kyle Brandt's post in &quot;Perception of Purpose&quot; is a nice answer towards my question).  I'm not sure what you're referring to by &quot;proposed wording&quot; -- I'm not looking to change the FAQ or anything, just trying to provide a couple of different ideas about what Server Fault might mean, and seeing which one more people agree with." CreationDate="2011-07-17T04:11:42.857" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2875" PostId="1763" Score="0" Text="It seems that 5 votes to close aren't hard to come by for the majority of the bad &amp; misplaced questions. Sometimes it's just a matter of me, as a user, needing to filter well enough to see what I'm interested in &amp; cull the rest. Maybe you want to filter out the &quot;low quality rating&quot; questions? (Not sure whether that's possible?)" CreationDate="2011-07-17T04:32:00.630" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="2876" PostId="1763" Score="2" Text="&quot;5 votes to close aren't hard to come by&quot; -- that hasn't been my experience.  There's plenty of dross that floats around in the &quot;voted to close&quot; section of the 10k tools that never gets to 5." CreationDate="2011-07-17T05:17:14.420" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2883" PostId="1763" Score="5" Text="3K rep is required to vote to close. We have 178 out of 60K people who can vote to close. Only 36 of the 178 can see the 10K page. In the last week 42 (including mods) used a vote on 55 questions. Mods tend to react to other votes and close before the 5 required is reached but they closed 8 without prompting. So we had 35 non mods vote on 47 questions. We need to increase the visibility of questions that need closing. We need to get more people who can vote and we need to get them to do so." CreationDate="2011-07-17T09:51:14.273" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2885" PostId="1763" Score="0" Text="@Iain Mod-hammering tends to happen after users flag votes in lieu of close-voting. Sometimes questions get flags w/o close votes which is where some no-vote-closes happen. Othertimes, we run across 'em naturally. Sometimes a 3K+ user will get impatient and will both close-vote and flag, but this is happily rare." CreationDate="2011-07-17T15:03:17.780" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2886" PostId="1763" Score="3" Text="@sysadmin1138: That's what I noted. We just need to get more people voting more often. The real core of voters is something like 10-15 people." CreationDate="2011-07-17T16:35:33.630" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5992" PostId="1763" Score="2" Text="That is a really interesting analysis. I had kind of suspected that there was a pretty small cadre of people casting most of the close votes.  There is even a chat room in which they can hang out and plot where to strike next...  It would be interesting to see a similar analysis of who votes up questions - I've seen it commented frequently here that unlike other SO sites, hardly anyone votes questions up on Server Fault.  I would be comforted to find that the few who vote up good questions had a strong correlation with those who vote to close most." CreationDate="2012-04-19T15:44:11.660" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="2908" PostId="1765" Score="0" Text="this is the correct answer; you should use the most *recognizable* version name for the community it is targeted to. Doing a Google search should help refine this..." CreationDate="2011-07-19T05:01:16.200" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="2890" PostId="1766" Score="1" Text="I agree that the product name should be in there somewhere. `squeeze` on itself is meaningless, but perhaps `debian-squeeze` would make much more sense. I might go tag synonym them now..." CreationDate="2011-07-18T01:45:24.243" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2892" PostId="1766" Score="1" Text="I'm not familiar with that particular example, but if all the `xyz` tagged questions are about a product produced by `abc` company, then by all means please do retag `abc-xyz`. That's consistent with what we've been doing anyway." CreationDate="2011-07-18T01:55:55.273" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2894" PostId="1766" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson: Squeeze isn't meaningless to the community who use it although debian-squeeze is an improvement." CreationDate="2011-07-18T07:41:49.567" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2901" PostId="1767" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. I guess that's what I'm trying to acertain - if there's anything that needs fixing." CreationDate="2011-07-18T20:20:40.803" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2904" PostId="1767" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson: There is though some tidying up that needs to be done - see my edit." CreationDate="2011-07-18T21:40:11.873" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2905" PostId="1772" Score="1" Text="I tend to agree but believe that if people actually took a few minutes to acquaint (or re-acquaint) themselves with the site (AKA read the FAQ and pay attention to other questions and answers) there should be almost nothing in level 1 and a whole lot less in level 2 than what we do see. Bear in mind that most level 2 questions indicate a lack of professionalism because the poster has generally failed to do any real research prior to posting." CreationDate="2011-07-18T21:42:46.800" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2903" PostId="1774" Score="0" Text="People who can approve the pending edit can edit too... minor detail." CreationDate="2011-07-18T20:59:27.023" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2902" PostId="1775" Score="0" Text="That would be it, many thanks and I'll keep that in mind for the future." CreationDate="2011-07-18T20:59:15.543" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="2906" PostId="1777" Score="0" Text="Sorry, I do tend to run a bit long.  My point on the first one is that an answer was turned into a comment, which the questioner acknowledged as being an answer.  My flag on the deleted answer saying &quot;that's an answer!&quot; was marked invalid, even though the questioner later said that it *was* an answer (in fact, the correct and now accepted answer)." CreationDate="2011-07-19T03:14:45.580" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2907" PostId="1777" Score="0" Text="@womble, ok, got it. For some reason (like a teenager, I now have the attention span of a moth) I thought you flagged it as not an answer. BTW, welcome back. :)" CreationDate="2011-07-19T03:25:05.140" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2913" PostId="1778" Score="1" Text="Strange, I've never noticed an option to oppose votes. Where is it?" CreationDate="2011-07-19T10:12:52.063" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2984" PostId="1778" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers There isn't. If you see a question that has close votes and you want it to remain open, all you can do is watch it and vote to reopen if it gets closed. And, of course, make people less inclined to vote to close it by editing it for improvements or adding a comment explaining why it's a good question." CreationDate="2011-07-22T16:06:13.237" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="2985" PostId="1778" Score="0" Text="That is a very good point.  I think that people forget about that option.  There should be more editing for quality...  So my question is a bit invalid.  If people with low reputation had access to a Votes to Close list it would probably just mean certain kinds of people hung out there closing questions for the hell of it.  I don't think that would be good for the community." CreationDate="2011-07-22T16:14:17.617" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="2914" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="It doesn't really count as &quot;quick&quot;... it'll take a few days for dunxd to go from 3k to 10k.  &lt;grin&gt;" CreationDate="2011-07-19T10:18:55.357" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2916" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="Ah well - I'll wait.  I suppose I should be doing my job anyway :-)  Or answering some questions..." CreationDate="2011-07-19T15:20:22.850" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="2949" PostId="1782" Score="1" Text="That search-box only shows up for mods, unfortunately. I checked on another SE site where I'm less spiffy." CreationDate="2011-07-19T23:27:19.073" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2946" PostId="1784" Score="0" Text="While that's probably very true, try telling meta.SO some time" CreationDate="2011-07-19T23:04:10.770" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2947" PostId="1784" Score="1" Text="As I'm sure you know, not being an SO regular means it's a complete waste of time posting anything on MSO. I have however raised this issue before and had it completely ignored." CreationDate="2011-07-19T23:10:43.230" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2922" PostId="1785" Score="0" Text="I think liberal application of `-1` on these sorts of questions should work *nearly* as well.  Down votes on questions are &quot;free&quot; (as in reputation-flavored-beer) so there is no loss incurred." CreationDate="2011-07-19T21:35:40.797" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2923" PostId="1785" Score="0" Text="Oh man, I've only just gotten out of my &quot;stupid question, downvote&quot; reflex, since I thought it was costing me rep.  If it isn't, on the other hand..." CreationDate="2011-07-19T21:37:01.030" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2924" PostId="1785" Score="0" Text="@womble downvotes on questions are free, answers still cost you 1 rep however." CreationDate="2011-07-19T21:41:23.027" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="2925" PostId="1785" Score="0" Text="What's a few rep on downvotes to the #7 overall ranking user anyway :P" CreationDate="2011-07-19T21:41:42.670" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="2926" PostId="1785" Score="0" Text="@womble [Yup, they're free now.](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/90324/should-downvotes-on-questions-be-free)" CreationDate="2011-07-19T21:43:13.540" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2927" PostId="1785" Score="0" Text="@Ben: I have a, shall we say, *significant* downvote rate from my last stint here.  I'm much less critical of rampant stupidity these days, though." CreationDate="2011-07-19T21:43:51.370" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2943" PostId="1785" Score="1" Text="Maybe I'm just odd but if I feel a question or answer deserves a downvote I give it one and really couldn't care less if it costs me one miserable point of rep. Seriously, is there any regular that can't afford to lose a point or two from time to time?" CreationDate="2011-07-19T22:47:26.707" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2944" PostId="1785" Score="1" Text="WE NEEDS IT ALL, MY PRECIOUS!" CreationDate="2011-07-19T22:49:53.630" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2917" PostId="1786" Score="0" Text="This tag would categorise questions that people might not want to answer because they're huge, ill-defined, etc etc, which then helps them find the questions they want to answer quicker.  Is the 'homework' tag a means of categorising questions that helps people find the questions they're looking for?" CreationDate="2011-07-19T19:57:51.593" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2918" PostId="1786" Score="1" Text="Obvious homework questions usually get closed as off topic quite quickly, I'm surprised that the [tag:homework] tag still exists." CreationDate="2011-07-19T20:01:56.640" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2920" PostId="1786" Score="0" Text="@Iain I don't suspect it will for long. :) womble appears to be actively working to change that." CreationDate="2011-07-19T21:26:13.157" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2921" PostId="1786" Score="0" Text="Indeed I am.  All done now." CreationDate="2011-07-19T21:33:29.627" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2928" PostId="1787" Score="0" Text="Only SE employees can blacklist tags. If you don't hear from them from this question, pop them an email at team@stackoverflow.com" CreationDate="2011-07-19T21:46:39.217" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2939" PostId="1787" Score="0" Text="I'm all for the death of the [tag:homework] tag since downvotes on questions are now free, and for all the reasons previously mentioned on the linked question." CreationDate="2011-07-19T22:07:45.260" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="2948" PostId="1787" Score="0" Text="As an added bonus: questions with vote-totals of less than zero *are automatically deleted* after a certain period of time." CreationDate="2011-07-19T23:24:09.030" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2950" PostId="1787" Score="0" Text="Got a cite for that, @sysadmin1138?  I'm fairly sure I've found ancient questions with negative vote-totals in my travels through the dark underground of SF." CreationDate="2011-07-19T23:36:13.577" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2951" PostId="1787" Score="0" Text="@Womble Try this: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1210/cleaning-house-really-old-unloved-questions/1214#1214" CreationDate="2011-07-20T00:10:17.930" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2952" PostId="1787" Score="0" Text="Hot diggety I like the look of that." CreationDate="2011-07-20T00:17:53.653" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2929" PostId="1788" Score="0" Text="Man you're busy this early in the morning ;) I'll take look at all the tags" CreationDate="2011-07-19T21:52:07.170" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2930" PostId="1788" Score="0" Text="Insomnia's a terrible thing, and I can't go outside because it's persisting down raining." CreationDate="2011-07-19T21:53:03.113" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2931" PostId="1788" Score="0" Text="Tell me about it. I start work at 7.30 and it took me 10 mins longer to get here just because of the rain." CreationDate="2011-07-19T21:53:45.687" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2932" PostId="1788" Score="0" Text="P.S. I believe the correct tag is `virtualhost` because that's the actual name of the Apache directive." CreationDate="2011-07-19T21:54:30.303" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2934" PostId="1788" Score="0" Text="@Mark: If you took the train to work, it wasn't my fault; I'm off today.  &lt;grin&gt;" CreationDate="2011-07-19T21:57:47.587" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2935" PostId="1788" Score="0" Text="@Womble - nope, I drive. Good old lack of public transport to the north west. Anyway unless you do the Carlingford line... Hey are you one of those smart-arses who does announcements like &quot;Today we will be cruising at 3.5 feet&quot; and &quot;Attention all passengers: You will find the ride more comfortable if you don't all try to squeeze through the first doors on the train all at once&quot;" CreationDate="2011-07-19T21:59:36.730" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2936" PostId="1788" Score="0" Text="I don't drive the carlingford line much any more.  It's the guard that does the announcements, so I don't have anything to do with that at all.  Being a guard is a very boring job, I'm not surprised they make weird announcements now and then to relieve the boredom." CreationDate="2011-07-19T22:02:21.017" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2937" PostId="1788" Score="0" Text="Well, if you did the carlingford line 18 months ago you might have given me a trip to work. Well to Clyde at least. Must be cushy line to do. Drive 5 stations, have a smoke, have another smoke, walk to the other end of the train, rinse, repeat." CreationDate="2011-07-19T22:03:42.750" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2941" PostId="1788" Score="1" Text="That walking 60 metres every half hour *sucks*.  It's a tough job driving trains." CreationDate="2011-07-19T22:09:15.493" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2938" PostId="1789" Score="0" Text="When I did a quick scan of [virtual-hosting] I only noticed the one (closed) question regarding virtualisation.  Now you point it out I noticed a few more open ones, so I've retagged those [virtualization] because it is..." CreationDate="2011-07-19T22:06:02.077" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2940" PostId="1789" Score="0" Text="I think we must be looking at different questions then. I see 5, of which I've re-tagged 1, leaving: http://serverfault.com/questions/242682/new-to-server-hosting-what-do-i-need-to-know-should-i and http://serverfault.com/questions/198960/setting-up-procmail-filtering-for-spam-on-postfix-couriermysql-virtual-users and http://serverfault.com/questions/156619/magento-community-hosting-need-advice-which-sharing-hosting-will-run-magento and http://serverfault.com/questions/63518/how-can-i-forward-mail-while-saving-a-copy-using-postfix-and-mysql" CreationDate="2011-07-19T22:08:19.547" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2942" PostId="1789" Score="0" Text="I think we both must have retagged the same questions, those are the four I see left in [virtual-hosting]." CreationDate="2011-07-19T22:14:51.823" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2954" PostId="1790" Score="0" Text="Thankfully there's more than one super-cow awake to deal with it :)" CreationDate="2011-07-20T00:26:08.110" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2953" PostId="1791" Score="0" Text="YAAAAAAAAAAAAY!" CreationDate="2011-07-20T00:18:34.480" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2955" PostId="1791" Score="0" Text="Is that the sound a synonym makes when it's born??" CreationDate="2011-07-20T02:06:41.977" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2956" PostId="1791" Score="0" Text="It is when I create it whole out of the Ether." CreationDate="2011-07-20T02:12:38.917" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2957" PostId="1791" Score="0" Text="Sounds more painful than joyful." CreationDate="2011-07-20T02:52:17.760" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="2958" PostId="1791" Score="0" Text="Is it possible for people who suggest tag synonyms like this to get the synonymizer badge?" CreationDate="2011-07-20T06:10:26.153" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="2959" PostId="1791" Score="0" Text="I'm pretty sure it isn't. It's one of the weaknesses of the synonym-making system." CreationDate="2011-07-20T11:18:49.597" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2962" PostId="1792" Score="4" Text="You may also have noticed that the SSL certificate is for *.stackauth.com - not serverfault.com. Nice to see that people actually pay attention to and read SSL warnings from their browsers." CreationDate="2011-07-21T20:24:22.113" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2964" PostId="1792" Score="0" Text="They did actually think about enabling SSL at one point in time (not too long ago actually) but decided not to for the reasons cited in Chopper's answer and Mark's comment thereto (referring to the expensive crypto accelerators necessary for a high traffic SSL site)." CreationDate="2011-07-21T20:25:55.750" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2967" PostId="1792" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/69171/why-doesnt-the-stack-overflow-team-fix-the-firesheep-style-cookie-theft/69177#69177" CreationDate="2011-07-21T20:40:04.370" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="5862" PostId="1792" Score="0" Text="I have the same response every time someone asks - we are working on it: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/69171/why-doesnt-the-stack-overflow-team-fix-the-firesheep-style-cookie-theft/69177#69177" CreationDate="2012-03-23T20:27:58.730" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="5875" PostId="1792" Score="0" Text="So if you are working on it, the accepted answer is out of date." CreationDate="2012-03-26T16:26:49.363" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="17240" PostId="1792" Score="0" Text="After all the notes/comments to the contrary, I notice that my request has actually been fulfilled.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2015-03-26T19:53:54.903" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="21420" PostId="1792" Score="1" Text="You can use https now." CreationDate="2016-10-11T20:48:17.360" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21663" PostId="1792" Score="0" Text="still on some of sites, I get non-ssl redirect for meta... this one works, but I visited several today, mostly just to get one of the easiest &quot;Holidays hats,&quot; but true !!" CreationDate="2016-12-24T20:32:51.077" UserId="351804" />
  <row Id="2960" PostId="1793" Score="1" Text="But why not allow it?  Maybe I don't want my sessions to be eavesdropped on." CreationDate="2011-07-21T20:11:38.520" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="2961" PostId="1793" Score="5" Text="But your &quot;sessions&quot; (i.e. new questions, answers, comments, chats etc.) are public domain, you don't get privacy with SE, at all (apart from login stuff) - so it'd be unnecessary load on the platform." CreationDate="2011-07-21T20:18:13.540" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2963" PostId="1793" Score="2" Text="Additionally, adding SSL to a website as highly trafficed as the Stack Exchange network is not nearly as simple as just installing a certificate." CreationDate="2011-07-21T20:25:30.633" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2965" PostId="1793" Score="1" Text="+1 - To implement SSL on a site that doesn't pass sensitive auth data (you sign in with OpenID, right?) makes little sense.  The overhead of doing SSL on front-end web servers (or the astronomical cost of hardware SSL accelerators) would be pretty hard to justify." CreationDate="2011-07-21T20:34:09.667" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="2966" PostId="1793" Score="0" Text="Interesting point is that gmail allows for both http:: and https:: access (in fact, I believe https:: is the default access mode).  Anyway, thanks for taking the time to more thoroughly discuss the reasoning involved." CreationDate="2011-07-21T20:39:36.727" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="2968" PostId="1793" Score="4" Text="gmail deals with data you don't want other people to see (your email) :-)" CreationDate="2011-07-21T20:49:04.057" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="2969" PostId="1793" Score="0" Text="As an indication our hardware SSL/TLS boxes cost over £250k for around 65,000 SSL transactions per second - so quite expensive." CreationDate="2011-07-21T20:50:46.393" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="2970" PostId="1793" Score="4" Text="@voretaq7 Session hijacking is the risk that SSL would prevent - while's it's obviously not nearly the level of value that someone's facebook or email session cookie would be, I don't think the &quot;there's no need&quot; reasoning really works in that context - the &quot;it isn't worth it&quot; reason is plenty valid, though!" CreationDate="2011-07-21T21:45:06.170" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="2975" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="The auto-redirection is a pain in the tender spots and disorienting. Seems like creeping featurism. (Either that or I'm just generally bitter and angry)" CreationDate="2011-07-22T00:10:09.750" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="2976" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="Thanks for a minute there I thought I was the only one that had a problem with the auto-direction feature." CreationDate="2011-07-22T01:46:56.163" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="2971" PostId="1796" Score="0" Text="ahh....can the &quot;migrated&quot; message on the &quot;list&quot; page indicate the place the message got migrated to?  Instead of just &quot;migrated&quot;?" CreationDate="2011-07-21T23:54:52.627" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="2972" PostId="1796" Score="0" Text="BTW, I must have been used to the previous behavior and thought it was ok.  Just still surprised as to how it now works. :-)" CreationDate="2011-07-21T23:56:41.423" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="2973" PostId="1796" Score="0" Text="@mdpc - If you want to propose that suggestion, the best place to do it would be on http://meta.stackoverflow.com as there it will be seen by the wider community and, most importantly, the devs :)" CreationDate="2011-07-22T00:01:12.610" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2977" PostId="1796" Score="0" Text="Gee....why not migrate this message to meta.stackoverflow.com! :-)" CreationDate="2011-07-22T01:51:51.277" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="2978" PostId="1796" Score="0" Text="Mark Henderson: thanks for the tip I did ask the question: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/99380/can-the-migrated-message-on-the-list-page-indicate-the-place-the-message-got" CreationDate="2011-07-22T01:57:02.160" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="2979" PostId="1796" Score="0" Text="@mdpc - I can't migrate from here to mso unfortunately :)" CreationDate="2011-07-22T02:09:55.153" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2980" PostId="1796" Score="0" Text="Mark Henderson:  Is this due to an incorporated design feature or a lack of priv in the other StackExchange site?  Just curious." CreationDate="2011-07-22T05:21:08.783" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="2983" PostId="1796" Score="0" Text="@mdpc, it's by design." CreationDate="2011-07-22T12:52:56.917" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2986" PostId="1796" Score="0" Text="@mdpc - it's because there are dozens of migration paths for every site, so they can't account for all of them. MSO itself has *no* migration paths out of it ;)" CreationDate="2011-07-22T20:45:11.163" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2974" PostId="1798" Score="4" Text="I actually prefer the auto-follow behavior.  I think it is more intuitive, given the change in the migrated question's title on the source site and all..." CreationDate="2011-07-22T00:02:35.027" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="2981" PostId="1798" Score="2" Text="I also think it's more friendly. Auto-follow says the user: &quot;OK, your question wasn't a good fit here, but we aren't mad at you and sent it over to our friends at SO/SU&quot;, and when he clicks on it, he get an active question window at the correct site. Without this behaviour, he is seeing a closed question and must first search and find the info on how to proceed. I am sure, many users didn't really understood that and left frustrated." CreationDate="2011-07-22T10:13:16.070" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="2982" PostId="1800" Score="0" Text="Really should be [apache-activemq], though [activemq] is acceptable." CreationDate="2011-07-22T12:48:48.263" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2988" PostId="1801" Score="0" Text="To be fair, the meta sites have the same filters as the parent sites, and if a question was asked with only 8 words in it would rightly fail ;)" CreationDate="2011-07-23T02:10:46.520" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2991" PostId="1801" Score="0" Text="Sure, sure... punish concision in questions... &lt;grin&gt;" CreationDate="2011-07-23T02:16:10.947" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2987" PostId="1802" Score="0" Text="Quick note, if you're going to retag more than say, 15-20, leave a note on meta so that one of us can retag where nessesary, because we don't raelly want the front page flooded with retags. When we had to retag `vmware` it took us about a week, but it meant that questions weren't getting pushed off the front page." CreationDate="2011-07-23T02:08:33.683" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2989" PostId="1802" Score="0" Text="Moderator retags don't trip the 'updated' logic?  I don't mind leaving it to mods (less work for me), but do you guys really want to have to do all of that?" CreationDate="2011-07-23T02:14:19.077" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2990" PostId="1802" Score="1" Text="If we do a normal update, it still trips it, but we also have other tools such as mass merges that we can do that don't trip it." CreationDate="2011-07-23T02:14:58.637" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="2992" PostId="1802" Score="1" Text="You mods and your super-cow powers..." CreationDate="2011-07-23T02:21:56.437" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2994" PostId="1802" Score="2" Text="It's not all mod-hammer flailing around here. It takes a deft hand to knock those tags just right so everything falls into place." CreationDate="2011-07-23T02:55:27.730" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3051" PostId="1802" Score="0" Text="Also, if we have to do a mass retag for whatever reason, best to do them on the weekend and in small groups, when the site is pretty slow anyway and to push less questions off." CreationDate="2011-07-24T04:11:25.920" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2995" PostId="1804" Score="0" Text="I'll take a look..." CreationDate="2011-07-23T02:57:53.160" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2997" PostId="1804" Score="0" Text="Yeah, that's a meta-tag. We don't like thems 'round here. And looks like no one was silly enough to put it as the only tag on something." CreationDate="2011-07-23T03:00:45.343" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="2998" PostId="1804" Score="0" Text="They were, it's why I found it.  I retagged the question in question (http://serverfault.com/posts/293255/revisions)" CreationDate="2011-07-23T03:04:27.837" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="2996" PostId="1805" Score="2" Text="But how else can I become famous?  Supermodels won't return my calls, and I don't have enough core strength to plank on a world-famous monument." CreationDate="2011-07-23T02:59:25.327" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3029" PostId="1806" Score="0" Text="I believe that tags without questions are automagically deleted. This doesn't stop someone else from recreating the tag though." CreationDate="2011-07-23T13:27:35.940" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3050" PostId="1806" Score="0" Text="They need to add a field to the DB of blackholed tags. Part of the problem right now is that it's an RE search, so they don't let anyone add something as a misplaced `.*` would take out the whole site." CreationDate="2011-07-24T03:35:44.753" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="2999" PostId="1807" Score="13" Text="Poor grammar and spelling cast doubt upon the veracity of a document." CreationDate="2011-07-23T08:30:45.490" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3000" PostId="1807" Score="0" Text="While capitalization is a part of grammar, I personally think it's a mischaracterization to refer to it as 'poor grammar', and certainly less egregious than mangling syntax, bad spelling, etc. - the inclusion of those would certainly cast doubt on the accuracy of a document - lack of caps in a personal meta comment, no. And I certainly think it's rather silly to fix the caps in this self-same meta post, as it renders it...well, completely bizarro. So, perhaps for the next reader, I'll note here that the original post was written as I characterized it, lacking caps. Sheez." CreationDate="2011-07-23T08:45:38.523" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="3003" PostId="1807" Score="8" Text="See that's the problem, you &quot;think it's a mischaracterization to refer to it as 'poor grammar'&quot;, others know it's not and choose to spend their time fixing your problem. This site is for professionals and while we don't all write every post perfectly we also don't whine about it if someone fixes our problems." CreationDate="2011-07-23T08:55:24.760" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3011" PostId="1807" Score="0" Text="Your relentless rudeness in your posts is pretty overwhelming. I wonder which is the greater problem here." CreationDate="2011-07-23T09:09:56.670" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="3015" PostId="1807" Score="5" Text="The problem I have is that it's not just that you don't appreciate the efforts of those who choose to use their own time to address your unprofessionalism but that you thought it wise to come here to question and deride their efforts while trying to justify your own laziness or lack of care. Basically you're putting down those that add to the site, and that's counter to the site's beliefs." CreationDate="2011-07-23T09:16:34.187" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3016" PostId="1807" Score="0" Text="quod erat demonstrandum." CreationDate="2011-07-23T09:18:35.233" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="3027" PostId="1807" Score="2" Text="The irony of @womble editing this post" CreationDate="2011-07-23T13:19:35.353" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3028" PostId="1807" Score="0" Text="@Nixphoe Hey, Iain started it..." CreationDate="2011-07-23T13:21:51.810" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3030" PostId="1807" Score="5" Text="The irony of you calling other people editing your posts passive aggressive is hilarious, in the context of this meta question. It's already been said that these kinds of editing are improving the site. That is what you are getting all the negative feedback from. And I mean no disrespect to you, but you're coming off quite pompous and that is where the irony comes from. This post should probably be flagged as off topic and moved to http://english.stackexchange.com/." CreationDate="2011-07-23T14:41:04.113" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3054" PostId="1807" Score="0" Text="Actually, it's not a case of &quot;passive aggressive&quot;, its a question of [&quot;OCD&quot;](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCD)." CreationDate="2011-07-24T21:33:00.703" UserId="41401" />
  <row Id="3055" PostId="1807" Score="1" Text="Illiteracy is not a &quot;stylistic choice&quot;." CreationDate="2011-07-24T22:56:22.783" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3057" PostId="1807" Score="0" Text="More condescension. How droll!" CreationDate="2011-07-25T04:51:10.780" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="3001" PostId="1808" Score="0" Text="I rarely use slang, abbreviations are entirely appropriate depending upon context, and no, I wouldn't write something to the board without proper caps. I exchange email with our CEO (there, caps!) on a near daily basis, and I write as I normally do (I report directly to him). The content of the message is what matters, not capitalized first letters. Yes, I do take it personally, but if that's the culture here, then I'll learn to live with it. I will note that it's extremely rare that my words are better understood after another editor has changed them. My command of English has few faults." CreationDate="2011-07-23T08:52:11.860" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="3005" PostId="1808" Score="15" Text="Your command of the English language has one glaring fault; you refuse to use proper capitalization. This may seem like a small thing to you, but it makes your writings more difficult to read (read up on the importance of serif vs. sans-serif fonts. It's a similar thing). On a site for professionals, we do have a standard of professionalism and part of that is reflected in the readability and quality of the posts on the site. Don't conform if you don't want to, but please do not take offense when others edit your posts in order to make them fit with the overall theme of the site." CreationDate="2011-07-23T08:58:58.423" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="3010" PostId="1808" Score="0" Text="As I said, if it's the culture here, I'll learn to live with it. And I guess try to remember to change my writing style when I'm here, though it's hard to make that adjustment as a one-off. I at least appreciate your courteous and thoughtful responses. I'm pretty well flummoxed by the moderator's behavior however." CreationDate="2011-07-23T09:08:36.593" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="3013" PostId="1808" Score="0" Text="Are moderators somehow not allowed an opinion? Even if it's one you don't like?" CreationDate="2011-07-23T09:13:27.590" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3018" PostId="1808" Score="0" Text="have i said you aren't allowed an opinion? please identify where i did so. i am flummoxed by your relentless rudeness, contra policy. is there any place here where the moderators are moderated for violating policy?" CreationDate="2011-07-23T09:19:45.280" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="3020" PostId="1808" Score="0" Text="But I've not moderated or editing on any of your posts, not one, I've simply stated my opinions, which would be the same whether I were a moderator or not. So I don't see why my moderator status has even been mentioned by you, unless you expect me to express my opinions differently because of that status. Can you answer that?" CreationDate="2011-07-23T09:26:03.310" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3022" PostId="1808" Score="0" Text="i already quoted the policy below. you aren't expected to express your opinions differently because you're a moderator, you're expected to express your opinions in a civil manner and without rudeness, period. your posts have been relentlessly uncivil and have used rude characterizations at every turn, in contravention of policy. there's a saying that 'the police should be held to a higher standard of conduct'. one would reasonalby expect a moderator to conduct himself within the scope of policy, n'est ce pas?" CreationDate="2011-07-23T09:28:42.637" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="3023" PostId="1808" Score="0" Text="Well edit them then, I could then post here complaining about people editing my comments. I'm not sure you're getting the point of this are you?" CreationDate="2011-07-23T09:31:02.090" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3025" PostId="1808" Score="0" Text="likewise. have a pleasant day. i have a funeral to get to in the morning, and its after 2:30am localtime for me. i'm sorry my comments upset you this much. no, i'm not going to redact your inappropriate commentary - that we will allow to speak for itself." CreationDate="2011-07-23T09:34:07.317" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="3086" PostId="1811" Score="0" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1712/the-never-ending-flood-of-what-kind-of-server-do-i-need-for-x-amount-of-requests" CreationDate="2011-07-29T07:33:40.523" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="3031" PostId="1812" Score="0" Text="Great answer!  Thank-you!   I'll see if I can formulate something more confined and answerable based on this... or perhaps several different such questions." CreationDate="2011-07-23T16:22:31.607" UserId="13570" />
  <row Id="3052" PostId="1812" Score="1" Text="hmm, this seems like a classic &quot;canonical answer&quot; per http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/01/the-wikipedia-of-long-tail-programming-questions/ and perhaps it would work as such on the main site?" CreationDate="2011-07-24T09:22:37.547" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3035" PostId="1814" Score="1" Text="We haven't got time sorry, we don't get paid for this and it takes a LOT of time, we also get a lot of crap to deal with, so sorry we don't justify our every minor action. 90% our work is driven by alerts from other users, as it was in this case." CreationDate="2011-07-23T21:58:22.950" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3038" PostId="1814" Score="1" Text="@Chopper3: Thanks for taking the time to respond! No offence intended, but your comment here comes across as &quot;harried and annoyed&quot; which, in my opinion, is not conducive to reasoned moderation. Perhaps you should re-think your level of engagement?  YMMV." CreationDate="2011-07-23T22:38:53.703" UserId="13570" />
  <row Id="3039" PostId="1814" Score="4" Text="You're right, I am, and the majority of the reason why has nothing to do with you or your post, we've just had a lot of very low users moaning about single post close/deletes today. We get hundreds of posts each day to be checked, some need moderating but the only people that ever complain are new users with some sense that their words and only theirs are gold woven thread that can't be touched, very often the exact opposite is true. I'm sorry that you feel moderators need to be ice-cool perfect people, after all you pay so very much for this site right, you deserve better right?" CreationDate="2011-07-23T22:48:32.567" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3040" PostId="1814" Score="1" Text="@Chopper3: I pay for what I get! ;-) Thanks, again, for responding." CreationDate="2011-07-23T22:52:29.447" UserId="13570" />
  <row Id="3041" PostId="1814" Score="1" Text="Ultimately you posted a cartoon not an answer, and non-answer get deleted, nothing personal, happens all the time. If I was annoyed it was because we've had a flood of just this kind of easily-answered-but-often-needlessly-argued complaint that takes time away from my weekend and other mod jobs that need doing." CreationDate="2011-07-23T22:59:49.067" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3042" PostId="1814" Score="1" Text="@Downvoter: Why a downvote? I thought this was the place to ask these sort of questions.  I'm trying to get the hang of what and how to ask questions on Server Fault... and I can't see any other place to ask." CreationDate="2011-07-23T23:10:49.883" UserId="13570" />
  <row Id="3043" PostId="1814" Score="0" Text="I've no idea who or why someone down voted you but seriously dude, concentrate on adding to SF not moaning about losing the odd rep point. Firstly it's only meta, it doesn't really count and it doesn't really matter, you should see how many down votes all of the top rep users get. If you're going to come on here every time some upsets you you'll only get more down votes I'd imagine." CreationDate="2011-07-23T23:14:35.537" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3044" PostId="1814" Score="5" Text="Don't take downvotes personally on SF -- they mean &quot;this answer is wrong&quot; and &quot;this question could be better&quot;, not &quot;you're a bad person&quot;.  *Really* don't take downvotes personally on MSF, they just mean &quot;I don't agree with this&quot;." CreationDate="2011-07-23T23:17:28.993" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3046" PostId="1814" Score="0" Text=":-) Thanks for the support guys! Much appreciated.  I _am_ still trying to get my head around the SF environment, so I thought I'd ask about the downvote." CreationDate="2011-07-23T23:22:32.167" UserId="13570" />
  <row Id="3049" PostId="1814" Score="2" Text="Also, votes on m.SF don't have any affect, they do not affect your reputation, neither positive nor negative. On m.SF, as womble points out, it means &quot;I agree&quot; or &quot;I disagree&quot;. On SF they mean &quot;Good Question&quot; or &quot;Poorly worded/thought-out/factually-flawed Question&quot; (or similar for answers). Also, you posted a cartoon as an Answer, a cartoon which didn't actually answer the question either. I'm sure others have said, read the [faq], but this isn't a discussion board or forum, and is *meant* for professionals to help solve each others problems." CreationDate="2011-07-24T03:20:04.153" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3032" PostId="1815" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Iain!  I suppose I should have been more explicit as to why it reminded me of dogbert: the auditor was trying to catch the OP out (which others had expressed, hence my thinking it was a dupe)." CreationDate="2011-07-23T21:32:40.810" UserId="13570" />
  <row Id="3036" PostId="1815" Score="2" Text="Take more time to understand the site, you'll quickly figure out why users alerted us to it." CreationDate="2011-07-23T21:59:48.253" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3037" PostId="1815" Score="2" Text="Haha, I saw that dilbert comic come through my feed the other day. Immaculate timing, but I can see why it was deemed &quot;not an answer&quot;" CreationDate="2011-07-23T22:02:07.447" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3033" PostId="1816" Score="0" Text="Thanks, sysadmin1138!  1. It wasn't a macro. 2. As I said to Iain's answer: my implied answer (obviously not clearly!) was that the auditor was trying to catch the OP out." CreationDate="2011-07-23T21:33:55.210" UserId="13570" />
  <row Id="3034" PostId="1816" Score="1" Text="Which is a [position I agree with entirely](http://serverfault.com/questions/293217/our-security-auditor-is-an-idiot-how-do-i-give-him-the-information-he-wants/293297#293297) but unfortunately the emotive language in the question appears to have blinded many people to the posiblity of." CreationDate="2011-07-23T21:48:23.213" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3045" PostId="1817" Score="0" Text="Thanks for taking the time to answer!  The reason I was mis-guided about &quot;standard server sizes&quot; is that the company I used to work for ([UTX](http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-cobuild/manicured)), and when we used [CSC](http://www.csc.com/) as the IT infrastructure supplier.  Whenever we needed a server, they basically had a standard list of servers to choose from.  So I was (erroneously) thinking that this might be standard in the industry." CreationDate="2011-07-23T23:20:44.070" UserId="13570" />
  <row Id="3048" PostId="1817" Score="0" Text="It might be instructive to meditate on the way that CSC described their various offerings on that list.  I'll bet a large quantity of money that it wasn't along the lines of &quot;capable of serving 1500 simultaneous users&quot;, it would have been more &quot;this is the CSC Whizzo Enterprise+ grade 4 server&quot; -- a term meaningless for anything more than saying to your salesweasel &quot;please send me five of $THATONE&quot;.  To properly select a server for your task, I'm guessing you still would have had to examine the specifications of the various configurations." CreationDate="2011-07-23T23:26:13.067" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3061" PostId="1822" Score="0" Text="Yes, I read that before I posted this topic. I think it hinges on what constitutes 'collaborative editing'. I think it also hinges on what people perceive 'professional' to mean. Clearly, some people extend it to the use of caps, rather than simply 'I do this work as my profession'. I note that the two fellows shown on the 'about' page are not dressed like &quot;professionals&quot; - no jacket, no tie. But perhaps that's a matter of *style*, and they remain professionals regardless. Interesting that." CreationDate="2011-07-25T05:29:37.893" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="3067" PostId="1822" Score="4" Text="Being a professional and dressing professional are different. Similarly holding a professional job and writing in a professional style are different. You can argue all you want that your aversion to capital letters is a your style, we'll still find it as unprofessional (and make assumptions about your competence based on what little information we have, especially your style) as we did before. Similarly, we have edited peoples' posts in the past to reflect proper capitalization, will do the same with yours, and will continue to do so as we see fit. If this dissuades you from participating, so" CreationDate="2011-07-27T18:54:30.877" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3058" PostId="1823" Score="0" Text="Thanks. My command of the language is nearly impeccable; the use of upper and lowercase does in any way affect the intelligibility of the content, it merely affects the appearance of the content - for someone to claim that they thought that English was not my native language because of missing uppercase letters is patent trolling. Please note that there has been no failure to use correct punctuation in my writing on SF, so I have to assume that was thrown in merely as a gratuitous insult." CreationDate="2011-07-25T05:01:48.747" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="3059" PostId="1823" Score="0" Text="s/&quot;does in any way&quot;/&quot;does in no way&quot;. Oh no, perhaps this is an example of my illiteracy. A typo." CreationDate="2011-07-25T05:14:04.373" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="3060" PostId="1823" Score="1" Text="@anastrophe, if you can read all lowercase as effectively as proper case you are the exception, not the rule. Proper case is not just a matter of appearance. If you feel insulted by anything I've written then by all means feel free to write correctly and remove my reason for posting such things." CreationDate="2011-07-25T05:19:40.830" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3062" PostId="1823" Score="0" Text="The many thousands of people I have communicated with professionally who have never expressed any difficulty understanding my communications because of lack of upper/lowercasing suggest that your anecdotal suggestion is in error. Calling a person &quot;illiterate&quot; whose commentary you have just *read* is indeed insulting. I will point out that every contribution I have made on SF since this discussion made clear the norm, has conformed to appropriate upper/lowercasing." CreationDate="2011-07-25T05:35:35.987" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="3056" PostId="1824" Score="4" Text="Pre-2010? I'd say bin 'em. If the OPs are still awaiting an answer, well, they can re-port." CreationDate="2011-07-25T02:56:24.450" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="3063" PostId="1826" Score="3" Text="the guidance is a) don't migrate crap, ever and b) for old questions, only migrate the *best* and most *on-topic* ones for the target site." CreationDate="2011-07-25T07:35:04.773" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3064" PostId="1828" Score="1" Text="I [noticed the same thing today](http://meta.english.stackexchange.com/q/1658/1547), but with the *main page* of EL&amp;U. @Jeff's explanation doesn't seem to apply to that. Any ideas?" CreationDate="2011-07-26T20:36:25.970" UserId="25777" />
  <row Id="3069" PostId="1828" Score="0" Text="AdBlock Plus nails them in FF for me... Got ad blocking software?" CreationDate="2011-07-27T20:38:45.170" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3065" PostId="1829" Score="0" Text="So the chat bar is an ad sidebar element?" CreationDate="2011-07-27T13:13:19.420" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3070" PostId="1830" Score="0" Text="If you aren't sure how tags should be cleaned up, it's ok to just say &quot;tags `abc`, `def`, and `xyz need to be cleaned up&quot;. We'll figure it out." CreationDate="2011-07-27T20:40:31.207" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3097" PostId="1830" Score="0" Text="@Chris No Synonymizer cookie?" CreationDate="2011-07-29T20:45:44.127" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3099" PostId="1830" Score="1" Text="those are impossible to get the way the system is setup now. I can't even propose new synonyms. They system is broke. They've known it for a while. They haven't fixed. I have no faith it will be fixed anytime soon. Sorry if that sounds cynical, but wander over to mSO sometime and you'll end up the same." CreationDate="2011-07-29T22:40:38.653" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3071" PostId="1831" Score="0" Text="[meta-tag:status-completed]?" CreationDate="2011-07-27T20:41:13.263" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3066" PostId="1834" Score="0" Text="See http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/18232/how-can-one-link-merge-combine-associate-two-accounts-users-anonymous-unregiste/73801#73801 for future reference, but this really belongs on Meta.SF." CreationDate="2011-07-27T16:16:32.040" UserId="531" />
  <row Id="3072" PostId="1838" Score="1" Text="Keep an eye on http://www.quantcast.com/serverfault.com to see if we get a visible bump from that traffic!" CreationDate="2011-07-27T21:33:30.653" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3073" PostId="1838" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 nice find! Strange enough, I had to disable my hosts file blackhole to get the site working correctly." CreationDate="2011-07-27T21:42:37.023" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3074" PostId="1838" Score="0" Text="@Nix - probably because quantcast do a lot of tracking of visitors, so if your hosts file blocks trackers, that'd be why" CreationDate="2011-07-27T22:20:09.083" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3085" PostId="1838" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 Looks like there is quite a huge jump on that link you send for this week." CreationDate="2011-07-28T23:43:04.290" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3075" PostId="1839" Score="0" Text="I like the idea that you had asked for on meta.stackoverflow.com. with the 280k views, are those views in such a short time though?" CreationDate="2011-07-27T22:42:50.030" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3076" PostId="1839" Score="0" Text="@Nix - no, that's over about 2 years, but still impressive" CreationDate="2011-07-27T22:47:10.137" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3078" PostId="1839" Score="2" Text="@Nixphoe The *accepted* answer has made the rounds on several non-IT blog as well.  Internet people loves 'em some Z̨̟͓͗͋̏̈̒͘A̯̞̰͖̟̮ͥ̆͐͐͑ͦ̔͒́͢Ļ̬͙̙ͥ̅G̵̶͍̹̯̮̹̱̟̍ͮ̚O̠͖̖̦͓ͧ͝!̶̨͍̞̙̝̀́̑͗ͦ͗̍͟" CreationDate="2011-07-28T03:58:14.980" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="3079" PostId="1840" Score="0" Text="hawt. Irony it looks like number 3 is hacker news... because why would you want to have good security when hackers have no idea how to search teh internets?" CreationDate="2011-07-28T15:09:51.620" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3084" PostId="1840" Score="0" Text="Taaaaasy tasty data." CreationDate="2011-07-28T18:33:55.407" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3087" PostId="1840" Score="1" Text="@Nixphoe HackerNews is not what you think it is. :-)" CreationDate="2011-07-29T07:36:49.793" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="3091" PostId="1840" Score="0" Text="Haha that's awesome, I'd be interested to know how much ad revenue it made ;) Crazy considering I only posted the question to reassure me of my own sanity that this was not standard" CreationDate="2011-07-29T12:50:22.877" UserDisplayName="user80776" />
  <row Id="3082" PostId="1841" Score="0" Text="You can look at your [network profile](http://stackexchange.com/users/fec90be8-2dfb-4916-a8dc-db39990b5117?tab=accounts) to see everything at once." CreationDate="2011-07-28T17:57:18.673" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3080" PostId="1843" Score="0" Text="Ok thanks. I guess for reputation earned per each site/community it makes sense. As it shows how much you have worked there specifically. It just seems weird that you have to consistently earn the same privileges at each site with a linked account." CreationDate="2011-07-28T17:33:24.273" UserId="77651" />
  <row Id="3081" PostId="1843" Score="3" Text="@Nicholi, you get all the basic abilities for free (via account association bonus) once you reach 200 rep on one site.  To get the bonus just re-associate all your accounts after you have reached 200 on one site.  The more advanced abilities like question closing and moderating really do need a lot of commitment to a specific site.  For example I really would not be a good judge about what should or should not be considered a good question on english.stackexchange." CreationDate="2011-07-28T17:55:43.633" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3083" PostId="1843" Score="0" Text="@Nicholi Believe me, I know. When I drop by Security.se where I'm pretty low rep, the user experience is markedly different than it is on SF where I'm a moderator. And I still can't vote-to-close on SU." CreationDate="2011-07-28T18:31:49.510" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3088" PostId="1845" Score="2" Text="Sweet, thoughtful, and much-appreciated, but not actually a question." CreationDate="2011-07-29T08:52:52.370" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="3089" PostId="1845" Score="0" Text="True, I'll use by now meta server fault for such topics thanks" CreationDate="2011-07-29T09:19:10.307" UserId="14987" />
  <row Id="3090" PostId="1846" Score="9" Text="`Access Denied, this attempt has been reported`." CreationDate="2011-07-29T12:10:36.127" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3101" PostId="1846" Score="1" Text="The correct spelling being &quot;sammich&quot;" CreationDate="2011-07-29T23:24:30.293" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3100" PostId="1848" Score="1" Text="Did he get his LART yet?" CreationDate="2011-07-29T22:54:54.717" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3093" PostId="1849" Score="3" Text="Thanks Kyle, I knew coming third would be useful one day! I look forward to helping out the guys who already do a fantastic job keeping this site focussed and clean (plus wielding that big mod hammer sounds like fun)." CreationDate="2011-07-29T19:49:20.637" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3095" PostId="1849" Score="5" Text="Ohhh, I see - so he gets to empty the bit bucket and mop up the slop then? (Congrats Sam. Also remember, new mods get a squeaky hammer!)" CreationDate="2011-07-29T20:20:04.410" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3096" PostId="1849" Score="2" Text="Congrats Sam and welcome!" CreationDate="2011-07-29T20:27:06.190" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="3098" PostId="1849" Score="1" Text="Welcome to the fold. It get cozy sometimes." CreationDate="2011-07-29T21:08:59.910" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3102" PostId="1849" Score="4" Text="Welcome to the glory and the um... well... you're a sysadmin, you're clearly not overly concerned with praise and recognition. ;)" CreationDate="2011-07-30T12:59:34.653" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="3111" PostId="1850" Score="30" Text="The Paddington Bear was also childhood friend of mine. One day I removed his boots only to find that his left leg was significantly shorter than the right. This caused my young mind a significant amount of grief, as I tried to imagine how this could have happened.&#xA;&#xA;From then on, I could never play with Paddington freely. I was constantly drawn to removing his boots and examining his deformity.  Many years on, I became a Sysadmin.  Coincidence? I think not." CreationDate="2011-08-03T12:34:14.010" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="3149" PostId="1850" Score="0" Text="Corrected tags for clarity" CreationDate="2011-08-05T13:16:34.887" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3151" PostId="1850" Score="5" Text="Oh, crap... I've been out of town for a few days and not checking meta. I missed this whole thing!" CreationDate="2011-08-05T17:18:55.537" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="3105" PostId="1851" Score="3" Text="-1 for peer pressure and general tomfoolery." CreationDate="2011-08-03T12:18:57.300" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="3106" PostId="1851" Score="11" Text="Jokes on you. My name's not Tom. :-p" CreationDate="2011-08-03T12:19:28.300" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="3107" PostId="1852" Score="3" Text="Plus you were having a bad day the other day so I changed mine to help cheer you up with becoming a gravatar-meme :-)" CreationDate="2011-08-03T12:21:57.213" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="3108" PostId="1852" Score="1" Text="Well, that, and I owed him for a little bit of advice @Chopper3 gave regarding what kind of hat to wear in Boston...not funny! I know nothing about sports..." CreationDate="2011-08-03T12:30:19.840" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="3109" PostId="1852" Score="5" Text="I told another friend that Yankee caps are made in South Boston and that he should wear one, smiling and pointing at it wherever he went went there - he was physically thrown out of a bar :)" CreationDate="2011-08-03T12:32:12.590" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3110" PostId="1852" Score="0" Text="Okay, that's kind of funny, I suppose." CreationDate="2011-08-03T12:33:34.313" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="3129" PostId="1852" Score="0" Text="The idea of shipping a Paddington ride to a SF event was actually my idea.. :P" CreationDate="2011-08-04T19:30:12.643" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="3112" PostId="1853" Score="2" Text="haha - that'd give me better mileage than my real car for certain" CreationDate="2011-08-03T12:58:00.697" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3113" PostId="1854" Score="0" Text="They must be similar. I think the labels are reversed...?" CreationDate="2011-08-03T14:10:50.690" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="3114" PostId="1854" Score="2" Text="@BartSilverstrim: It's deliberate, I guess you have to have read Private Eve to get it." CreationDate="2011-08-03T14:22:44.773" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3115" PostId="1854" Score="0" Text="Ah, I get it now..." CreationDate="2011-08-03T14:35:53.400" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="3130" PostId="1854" Score="1" Text="I think I'm much fatter :)" CreationDate="2011-08-04T19:52:19.007" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3116" PostId="1855" Score="2" Text="similar question posted on SO [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/100507/what-kind-of-database-dba-questions-does-the-so-community-want-to-keep)" CreationDate="2011-08-03T16:53:09.357" UserDisplayName="user83664" />
  <row Id="3120" PostId="1855" Score="0" Text="I'm thoroughly amused that mSO has managed to generate almost 2000 characters of useless debate so far without so much as the semblance of an actual answer." CreationDate="2011-08-04T03:16:05.467" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3173" PostId="1855" Score="0" Text="The flip side of this coin is: What questions to DBA want and not want?" CreationDate="2011-08-12T02:27:12.173" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4330" PostId="1855" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [Where do SQL questions belong?](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1330/where-do-sql-questions-belong)" CreationDate="2011-12-21T01:04:26.187" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="4338" PostId="1855" Score="0" Text="@Bart That question is about &quot;SQL (the language, not the server)&quot; - this one is intended to be much broader" CreationDate="2011-12-21T13:04:19.843" UserDisplayName="user83664" />
  <row Id="4339" PostId="1855" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson That is a good question and is answered by our [faq](http://dba.stackexchange.com/faq#questions) - but in brief we are trying to be a good home for almost all database-related questions, the exception being the most basic SQL questions which we migrate to SO" CreationDate="2011-12-21T13:05:54.397" UserDisplayName="user83664" />
  <row Id="3119" PostId="1856" Score="5" Text="as for paragraph 3, my guidance has been &quot;advanced&quot; stuff in that category belongs on dba" CreationDate="2011-08-03T22:19:05.097" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3121" PostId="1856" Score="0" Text="@Jeff, sounds good to me. Any thoughs as to how you might define &quot;advanced&quot;? (Honest question from someone with &quot;Basic T-SQL Reference&quot; pinned to his cube wall)" CreationDate="2011-08-04T03:18:29.940" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3122" PostId="1856" Score="0" Text="well it's self-selected, so it'll always be a little loose -- but I'd say if you rate yourself as &quot;skilled intermediate&quot; and still need help, probably best on DBA." CreationDate="2011-08-04T03:47:48.310" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3801" PostId="1856" Score="0" Text="Do we want the NoSQL and BI crowd there too? BI especially overlaps. http://meta.dba.stackexchange.com/questions/270/we-need-to-formalize-a-site-title-name-does-database-administrators-still-rin/452#452 and http://meta.dba.stackexchange.com/q/320/630" CreationDate="2011-10-16T19:06:26.100" UserId="4955" />
  <row Id="3802" PostId="1856" Score="0" Text="@gbn Understandably I used SQL terminology, but most of the concepts still apply. Installing, configuring, and maintaining the software is SF. Data storage conventions and retrieval architecture belong on DBA.SE. API interactions belong on SO." CreationDate="2011-10-16T20:41:28.480" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4488" PostId="1856" Score="0" Text="As this is the highest voted answer: who is going to tell the DBA folks to change their [FAQ](http://dba.stackexchange.com/faq) as there are clearly conflicting points? I do not think it makes any sense to leave clearly definable areas like &quot;installation&quot; or &quot;backup &amp; recovery&quot; on topic in both sites." CreationDate="2012-01-04T21:22:41.807" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4497" PostId="1856" Score="0" Text="Considering [dba.SE]'s size, and that I consider DBA a subset of SA, I don't really mind if their FAQ claims that they overlap a bit with us. But yeah, we're mostly in agreement that the installation and backup stuff belongs on [SF]; though they're unlikely to migrate such Questions to us." CreationDate="2012-01-04T21:50:22.917" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3123" PostId="1858" Score="0" Text="Shouldn't there be a question state like &quot;no value&quot; then?" CreationDate="2011-08-04T10:38:10.537" UserId="75291" />
  <row Id="3124" PostId="1858" Score="1" Text="They will most likely be deleted by mods and or 10k+ users voting to do so." CreationDate="2011-08-04T10:43:57.147" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3125" PostId="1859" Score="2" Text="If this went trough then the tags could be synonymed." CreationDate="2011-08-04T14:14:52.273" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3127" PostId="1859" Score="2" Text="Properly the parent tag should be [tag:microsoft-dynamics-crm]; could easily synonym all the variants to that." CreationDate="2011-08-04T14:26:46.680" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3155" PostId="1859" Score="0" Text="Merged all mscrm with microsoft-crm and added synonym for Microsoft-Dynamics-CRM" CreationDate="2011-08-05T19:33:42.620" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3126" PostId="1860" Score="0" Text="We can just synonym them all any way... No biggie." CreationDate="2011-08-04T14:23:26.620" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3128" PostId="1860" Score="2" Text="Indeed, I would suggest that microsoft-crm or microsoft-dynamics-crm is the primary tag though" CreationDate="2011-08-04T14:40:42.950" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3131" PostId="1861" Score="4" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1850/paddington-bear-choppertar" CreationDate="2011-08-04T20:51:15.647" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="3134" PostId="1861" Score="4" Text="It's downright unbearable." CreationDate="2011-08-04T21:00:08.820" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3135" PostId="1861" Score="3" Text="It's just good clean fun (until someone nicks a Paddington Bear ride from their local amusement park)." CreationDate="2011-08-04T21:00:16.890" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3136" PostId="1861" Score="2" Text="@Voretaq7 Are you thinking what I'm thinking?" CreationDate="2011-08-04T21:01:14.530" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3144" PostId="1861" Score="1" Text="@WesleyDavid - ABSOLUTELY NOT. NO. No. no. (maybe. (a little bit.))" CreationDate="2011-08-05T06:05:49.413" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3145" PostId="1861" Score="1" Text="@Voretaq7 I'll be around with the van at midnight." CreationDate="2011-08-05T06:12:28.083" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3132" PostId="1862" Score="3" Text="I just noticed that my self. Getting crazy out there!" CreationDate="2011-08-04T20:55:03.957" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3150" PostId="1862" Score="3" Text="@Nixphoe - Getting? **GETTING**?? *insane cackle*" CreationDate="2011-08-05T15:10:14.493" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3133" PostId="1863" Score="19" Text="&quot;Have you seen these users? Wanted for impersonating an officer of the highest order. Please dial 999 if you encounter them. They are considered unarmed and extremely contagious.&quot;" CreationDate="2011-08-04T20:55:51.897" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3152" PostId="1863" Score="1" Text="Ahh, crap... I got the steering wheel turned the wrong way... (and I couldn't find a red car, either... &gt;grumble&lt;)" CreationDate="2011-08-05T17:24:09.467" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="3138" PostId="1864" Score="0" Text="Even worse, it doesn't appear that SE links out to a full-res image. :(" CreationDate="2011-08-05T00:32:13.480" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="3139" PostId="1864" Score="0" Text="Right click -&gt; View Image" CreationDate="2011-08-05T03:33:42.963" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3140" PostId="1867" Score="0" Text="I think I have this figured out. I was able to reproduce the issue with Firefox as well. It seems I'm getting click happy with the stackexchange link and click on it before the page finishes loading. When I noticed I get a notification, that loads up first, I click on it and I'll get the error message, every time. If I wait for 5 seconds for the page to finish loading it won't happen at all." CreationDate="2011-08-05T04:09:27.433" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3141" PostId="1867" Score="0" Text="ah, excellent, that helps. We'll see what we can do to address that." CreationDate="2011-08-05T04:13:48.110" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3143" PostId="1867" Score="2" Text="I've seen this behaviour too (and identified it as &quot;clicking too quickly&quot;); the problem is that the server is returning a 418 response.  Hopefully that helps you track it down, Jeff." CreationDate="2011-08-05T05:42:12.587" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3148" PostId="1867" Score="0" Text="I didn't answer your question about meta or not. It happens on all of them. Normal SF, SU, SO, Startups." CreationDate="2011-08-05T13:13:10.817" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3156" PostId="1868" Score="0" Text="ok, I did this, but I had to do it in a hurry.. please double check my work!" CreationDate="2011-08-06T02:17:43.677" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3157" PostId="1868" Score="0" Text="@JeffAtwood You're good." CreationDate="2011-08-06T02:59:17.073" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3153" PostId="1869" Score="2" Text="[tag:windows-server-yyyy] is the format for regular server. Makes sense for SBS to be [tag:windows-sbs-yyyy] to keep it consistent." CreationDate="2011-08-05T19:09:50.110" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3146" PostId="1871" Score="1" Text="Burninating the countryside. Burninating the peasants. Oh wow...brings me back to college...but without all of the debt" CreationDate="2011-08-05T06:55:21.637" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="3147" PostId="1871" Score="0" Text="The best use of the letter S on record, I believe." CreationDate="2011-08-05T11:56:50.080" UserId="17794" />
  <row Id="4092" PostId="1872" Score="1" Text="Nice... square." CreationDate="2011-12-13T02:16:50.953" UserId="30745" />
  <row Id="4126" PostId="1872" Score="0" Text="@GeorgeEdison Well, SOMEONE doesn't have full Unicode support on his workstation! http://www.marathon-studios.com/unicode/U1F43B/Bear_Face" CreationDate="2011-12-13T18:39:50.157" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4127" PostId="1872" Score="0" Text="Weird. It doesn't show up in any of the fonts I tried." CreationDate="2011-12-13T18:42:15.413" UserId="30745" />
  <row Id="4130" PostId="1872" Score="0" Text="also at some point my OS X unicode font got upgraded: It's a cartoon bearface now, not line-art..." CreationDate="2011-12-13T19:00:04.203" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3158" PostId="1873" Score="0" Text="http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/1526892#1526892  This was the last I heard, but I've yet to get anything from LOPSA..." CreationDate="2011-08-09T01:37:24.760" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3159" PostId="1875" Score="0" Text="Based on the general principle of &quot;could this be the only tag on a question and still make sense?&quot;, I don't think that [tag:security] is in the same class as [tag:configuration]." CreationDate="2011-08-09T08:57:03.547" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3160" PostId="1877" Score="5" Text="Perhaps it would be better to add the tag &quot;Enterprise-class-Linux-Distribution-derived-from-sources-freely-provided-to-the-public-by-a prominent-North-American-Enterprise-Linux-vendor&quot; just in case any legal beagles from a prominent North American Enterprise Linux Vendor are trolling the site." CreationDate="2011-08-09T17:24:30.640" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3161" PostId="1877" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid: tag-max-size-twenty-five ?" CreationDate="2011-08-09T17:26:35.187" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3162" PostId="1877" Score="5" Text="@Iain when-you-have-to-explain-the-joke-its-not-funny-anymore" CreationDate="2011-08-09T17:27:28.763" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3169" PostId="1882" Score="1" Text="I usually go through Meta and click on The Comms Room from there. Different path, same result." CreationDate="2011-08-11T14:28:50.563" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3168" PostId="1883" Score="2" Text="Wow, that's terrible. Thanks for the answer, though!" CreationDate="2011-08-11T13:09:22.580" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3170" PostId="1883" Score="1" Text="Which brings up the other issue that @MarkM has pointed out [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/101898/chat-side-bar-not-showing-up-on-server-fault) - we seem to be lacking our right-side chat box." CreationDate="2011-08-11T18:09:52.803" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="3174" PostId="1887" Score="17" Text="devs *can* arbitrarily assign ownership to a post, so we can post someone else's answer, then change ownership from me to that user. However, note that I completely support stealing answers-as-comments and posting them as *your own* answer in these cases. So either way." CreationDate="2011-08-12T14:37:12.270" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3177" PostId="1887" Score="0" Text="@Jeff, I'm good with that *except* the correct answer never gets accepted, so community keeps bumping it up now and then." CreationDate="2011-08-12T18:42:07.293" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3178" PostId="1887" Score="1" Text="@chris community bumps have very little to do with accept, they mostly have to do with upvotes on answers. See http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2008/09/ok-now-define-answered/" CreationDate="2011-08-12T18:42:49.430" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3291" PostId="1887" Score="9" Text="@Jeff I stole your answer. You snooze you loose!! =)" CreationDate="2011-08-18T04:24:35.517" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3292" PostId="1887" Score="3" Text="@wesley *ooooh you network frobnosticators!!*" CreationDate="2011-08-18T04:27:17.987" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3175" PostId="1890" Score="1" Text="&quot;Acronym&quot;?  Meanst thou &quot;synonym&quot;?" CreationDate="2011-08-12T18:35:10.687" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="3176" PostId="1890" Score="0" Text="*pffffffftfff!*" CreationDate="2011-08-12T18:37:11.767" UserId="2101" />
  <row Id="3179" PostId="1890" Score="1" Text="x3 `solaris10` retaged to `solaris-10`. `Solaris` is probably a more widespread usage as the correct name is now `Oracle Solaris`." CreationDate="2011-08-12T18:51:56.943" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3204" PostId="1890" Score="0" Text="x6 sunsolaris retaged to solaris" CreationDate="2011-08-14T18:06:03.513" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3180" PostId="1895" Score="0" Text="I'm pretty sure there is a waiting period, rather than a rep-threshold. I'll look it up." CreationDate="2011-08-13T02:21:01.093" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3183" PostId="1898" Score="1" Text="+1 - though I would be just in front of TomTom but still right at the back of the line for throwing stones on this one" CreationDate="2011-08-13T16:02:43.543" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3186" PostId="1898" Score="4" Text="can you provide some specific examples? I find it difficult to talk about this stuff in the abstract." CreationDate="2011-08-13T23:05:50.213" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3188" PostId="1898" Score="1" Text="Kinda surprised this is [now] +10/-2 and the same isn't reflected in the answers yet." CreationDate="2011-08-14T01:02:11.443" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="3198" PostId="1898" Score="3" Text="@JefAtwood: I deliberately didn't provide examples as I didn't want to be seen to be singling particular people out." CreationDate="2011-08-14T06:06:07.090" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3209" PostId="1898" Score="0" Text="On a related note. I was told linking to LMGTFY has been disabled. Is this a part of the reason why?" CreationDate="2011-08-15T01:07:00.693" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3210" PostId="1898" Score="2" Text="@Nixphoe, yep, plus this site isn't &quot;questions &amp; how to find answers&quot; it's &quot;questions &amp; answers&quot;." CreationDate="2011-08-15T02:29:28.037" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3213" PostId="1898" Score="5" Text="Hmm. Lately I've seen a lot of comments come through the moderation queue as rude/offensive (perhaps the majority of them might belong to a certain user who provides great answers, and was absent for an extended period of time and came back lately), to which when I read them I think to myself &quot;Hmm, just one flag, probably by the op being a bit precious about their mis-guided ideals&quot; and promptly click &quot;dismiss&quot;. I guess what others consider to be rude, I don't." CreationDate="2011-08-15T04:10:09.160" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3216" PostId="1898" Score="8" Text="@Mark, I think you've hit the nail on the head. On a global site we're obviously going to see different cultures and degrees which people see as impolite or rude. As you are well aware, Australians tend to say what they think, yet some other places this is incorrectly seen as downright rude. I'm tired of always having to compensate and and make allowances for other cultures but never seeing the same courtesy extended towards mine." CreationDate="2011-08-15T04:43:58.680" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3217" PostId="1898" Score="0" Text="@John - also interesting to note, the person who has collected the most comment flags lately is also Australian. I'm detecting a pattern here..." CreationDate="2011-08-15T04:47:30.800" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3219" PostId="1898" Score="4" Text="This came up a while back and I wrote a post on it (RTFM: http://blog.serverfault.com/post/1306724710/). I think it is something we always have to keep in check. Also. for what its worth, I believe snark usually comes from insecurity. So when someone says something snarky I generally read it as: &quot;I am insecure about my own knowledge and skill -- so I will now berate your ignorance as a way to to try cover up my own.&quot; Or, as a more concise version, I read it as &quot;I suck.&quot;" CreationDate="2011-08-15T14:39:20.583" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="3249" PostId="1898" Score="1" Text="@Mark Henderson: Is there some middle ground of mod action between &quot;ignore&quot; and &quot;mod hammer of doom&quot;?  At the moment, you're essentially running an open-loop system where unwanted behaviour can't be gently adjusted via feedback, but only when the car's landed completely in the ditch.  To put it another way, since you're clearly referring to me: I had no idea that I was collecting mod flags, and hence had no way to know that I was offending people." CreationDate="2011-08-16T00:44:04.920" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3251" PostId="1898" Score="0" Text="@womble - when it comes to comments, no. They don't show up in your flag list, they don't affect any weights, and there's no middle ground. A flagged comment doesn't even trigger a mod alert that there's a flag (we only see them when we look for them). Comments are a 2nd class citizen. But - if we felt that there was a problem, rather than over sensitive people, we would have contacted you privately." CreationDate="2011-08-16T01:04:29.253" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3257" PostId="1898" Score="0" Text="@Mark, if those flags are due to my comments please say so, although that would surprise me greatly." CreationDate="2011-08-16T05:29:31.597" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3259" PostId="1898" Score="0" Text="@John - no, I don't think I've ever seen a single flag on your account." CreationDate="2011-08-16T07:29:33.453" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3348" PostId="1898" Score="0" Text="I am certainly guilty of snark, and was recently called out for sending a lmgtfy link.  I'm most tempted to do that when I see a question that is easily pluggable into a search engine, and obviously no effort has been put in by the asker.  It makes me think that they are using SF as a search engine to boost their reputation.  I know that it's wrong to be sarcastic about it and remind myself to try to be helpful.  In the vein of being helpful, at work, I often help people solve their problems *and* show them **how** I discovered the problem and came to an answer." CreationDate="2011-08-23T14:00:53.540" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="3184" PostId="1899" Score="0" Text="Mine landed a short while ago too. Thanks !" CreationDate="2011-08-13T18:31:29.537" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3185" PostId="1899" Score="0" Text="Ditto mine, ditto thanks!" CreationDate="2011-08-13T19:27:34.607" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="3187" PostId="1899" Score="0" Text="I got mine. Thanks, ServerFault! (maybe someone could post a pointer [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1558/free-lopsa-memberships) to this question)" CreationDate="2011-08-13T23:50:35.950" UserId="1293" />
  <row Id="3212" PostId="1901" Score="0" Text="+1 dissention begets consent to protest, not break the rules." CreationDate="2011-08-15T02:42:45.107" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3228" PostId="1901" Score="1" Text="@ChrisS - &quot;Bring your sense of humor&quot; makes it a bit of a grey area though.  What some see as mean others see as playful ribbing.  The key is keeping the snark &quot;playful&quot; rather than &quot;mean&quot;" CreationDate="2011-08-15T17:47:53.177" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3211" PostId="1902" Score="0" Text="&quot;snarky - informal  unpleasant and scornful&quot; vs &quot;rude - unexpected and unpleasant&quot;; &quot;not the same&quot; is splitting hairs. I agree that preachy is different than snarky/rude, but you lost me on the rest." CreationDate="2011-08-15T02:33:54.007" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3214" PostId="1902" Score="1" Text="Hah, Australians are terribly rude in the way we express things, especially to Americans, but we usually mean it endearingly. Perhaps that's why I dismiss so many &quot;rude&quot; flags without action..." CreationDate="2011-08-15T04:12:27.177" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3229" PostId="1902" Score="0" Text="+1 on preaching.  Just because we're a Q&amp;A site doesn't mean we need to A all Qs. Very much like how when MacGyver made explosives they would always leave out some key ingredient so kids at home couldn't kill themselves, so too must we look out for those who may not know better and bring their careers to a crashing halt." CreationDate="2011-08-15T17:50:34.190" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3190" PostId="1903" Score="0" Text="I too have noticed a recent uptick in snarkiness in myself that edges close to a line or perhaps goes slightly over. I wonder why there seems to be that common experience among some of us here lately." CreationDate="2011-08-14T01:32:48.490" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3199" PostId="1903" Score="2" Text="Snark begets snark." CreationDate="2011-08-14T07:28:39.173" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3205" PostId="1903" Score="9" Text="I suspect its battle fatigue - you can only deal with so many really bad questions and 'Can I haz specs for youtube clone hosted on an unexpanded vic 20' before it wears you down, I think." CreationDate="2011-08-14T19:26:52.373" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3189" PostId="1904" Score="1" Text="Yay, 2 out of 3!  I'll stick to down- and close-votes in the future." CreationDate="2011-08-14T01:22:57.260" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3192" PostId="1904" Score="3" Text="@womble - well you do have good input. It could just be put more tactfully. &quot;The right answer is to FIX THE PROBLEM, not bandaid it into submission&quot; is the honest truth with out calling the person a moron for not having the same common sense that others might." CreationDate="2011-08-14T03:27:28.683" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3195" PostId="1904" Score="0" Text="The problem with tact is that it's rarely effective in actually getting through to the person who needs it.  I've got plenty of examples where subtle and tactful just resulted in persistent idiocy.  The choices really boil down to &quot;ignore it and perpetuate unchallenged stupidity on the Internet&quot; or &quot;challenge the ignorance robustly so that it is clear that this is bad&quot;.  I guess &quot;flag for incineration so the bad information doesn't hang around&quot; could work, if the mods want to deal with it all, but that does nothing to fix the larger stupidity problem." CreationDate="2011-08-14T03:58:40.050" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3200" PostId="1904" Score="2" Text="Iv'e read each of your three examples and can't for the life of me see what you believe is snarky about any of them. Maybe it's a cultural thing but if you find those snarky perhaps you're just being over sensitive. Sure there have been some real snarky posts but those three are not amongst them." CreationDate="2011-08-14T09:26:23.167" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3202" PostId="1904" Score="0" Text="@womble - I totally agree with you. I think the line gets drawn at where do we as a *community* draw the line? Do we want to be as helpful and *profession* as possible? Or do we want to call names to try and get our point across. I think if you called anyone an idiot, the knee jerk reaction is to hyper focus on the name calling, and less on what the subject matter is. I'm mainly coming fromt he point of view of customer service (a daily thing I have to work with) and less from a professional-to-professional point of view." CreationDate="2011-08-14T16:21:50.527" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3203" PostId="1904" Score="0" Text="A look from the outside in, or if we're trying to grow a community, if someone random from Google comes across a question that he has the same issue to and they see name calling they might not think this is the community they would want to stick around long for. I’m all for preaching as in other answers here, as it helps with *why* we hold those views." CreationDate="2011-08-14T16:22:49.963" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3207" PostId="1904" Score="4" Text="@Nixphoe: When you get the &quot;security auditor is an idiot&quot; question deleted, your point about not calling people names will be less hypocritical.  In the meantime, I'll just say that while I'll often be sarcastic and what you might call &quot;snarky&quot;, I do try very hard to play the ball and not the man; I feel &quot;that is a stupid idea&quot; to be very different from &quot;you are a stupid person for having that idea&quot;." CreationDate="2011-08-14T21:03:41.720" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3208" PostId="1904" Score="0" Text="@womble - understood, and that's a great way of putting it, &quot;that is a stupid idea.&quot; By no means was that me calling you out. It was me more being preachy about my philosophy of the OP's question/comment." CreationDate="2011-08-14T21:42:08.537" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3215" PostId="1904" Score="3" Text="@Nix - &quot;if someone random from Google comes across a question that he has the same issue to and they see name calling they might not think this is the community they would want to stick around long for&quot; - years ago, before I knew what I was doing, google was how I fixed *all* my problems. And often I would see forum posts saying &quot;Why are you doing that, that's downright stupid/dangerous/impossible&quot;, which then caused me to re-evaluate my techniques. Telling people they're jamming a round peg into a square hole is important, and sometimes shock tactics are the best way to get through." CreationDate="2011-08-15T04:21:13.067" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3218" PostId="1904" Score="4" Text="I honestly don't see the problem with those 3 examples. They show people pushing the asker hard to address the real problem rather than the perceived one. While some of it is phrase rather brutally, I think that addressing the real issue rather than working around it is a good honest *professional* approach." CreationDate="2011-08-15T08:06:13.107" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3194" PostId="1905" Score="1" Text="For the record I believe I was one of the first asking for this to be turned off.  Highlighting is generally more broken here then useful.  http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/883/is-the-syntax-highlighting-for-code-blocks-useful-on-sf" CreationDate="2011-08-14T03:48:20.823" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3191" PostId="1906" Score="0" Text="That sounds like a wise decision. But you should have a way to force color highlighting. (e.g. using the &lt;code&gt; tag - that I tried also)" CreationDate="2011-08-14T03:19:28.777" UserId="51913" />
  <row Id="3193" PostId="1906" Score="0" Text="I was going to say that [you could](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/63800/interface-options-for-specifying-language-prettify), but I just tried a test post here on meta and it doesn't seem to permit you even if you explicitly request it." CreationDate="2011-08-14T03:46:31.227" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3196" PostId="1906" Score="1" Text="@Zoredache: meta doesn't have *any* syntax highlighting enabled. The main site does. Your test would have worked on the main site..." CreationDate="2011-08-14T04:24:28.767" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="3197" PostId="1908" Score="0" Text="Thanks... The desperately unexpected answer!" CreationDate="2011-08-14T04:47:05.950" UserId="51913" />
  <row Id="3226" PostId="1913" Score="0" Text="Sorry if I annoyed you :)" CreationDate="2011-08-15T17:31:21.437" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3256" PostId="1913" Score="2" Text="While I don't think we should be in the business of deciding what makes sense or doesn't in a business environment, I agree that anything tagged with virtualbox deserves the same long, hard, sideways look that most consumer-grade hardware and software questions get." CreationDate="2011-08-16T04:23:13.670" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="3347" PostId="1913" Score="0" Text="I wholeheartedly disagree that anything tagged &quot;virtualbox&quot; is not server and/or sysadmin-related. For one, VirtualBox does provide a service; it's not an application in-and-of itself. Secondly, it is far more likely to be of use to (and used by SysAds than traditional end-users. (Yes, some Power-Users are going to be playing with it.)" CreationDate="2011-08-23T13:58:39.193" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="3221" PostId="1916" Score="0" Text="Iain, are you saying that questions that should be migrated shouldn't be mod-flagged. I've mod-flagged plenty of questions that should be migrated before I went on my [tag:virtualbox] spree and they were all marked valid" CreationDate="2011-08-15T17:24:26.273" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3222" PostId="1916" Score="1" Text="@MarkM: If the mod flagging is causing sufficient annoyance then perhaps the flagger should be made aware of other channels is what I'm saying." CreationDate="2011-08-15T17:25:57.473" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3223" PostId="1916" Score="0" Text="I'm the flagger :)" CreationDate="2011-08-15T17:26:48.487" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3224" PostId="1916" Score="0" Text="@MarkM: drop em in vote to close then ;)" CreationDate="2011-08-15T17:27:56.457" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3225" PostId="1916" Score="0" Text="I think this raises a larger issue, then. Should posts not be flagged if there is already an existing vote-close reason? Is there a msf or mso post that anyone can dig up about proper use of flags?" CreationDate="2011-08-15T17:30:29.383" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3230" PostId="1916" Score="0" Text="@MarkM: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/59445/recent-feature-changes-to-stack-exchange check the change made on 2011-03-23 and http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/83861/prevent-off-topic-flags-from-users-who-can-cast-close-votes-but-didnt" CreationDate="2011-08-15T17:56:42.350" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3231" PostId="1916" Score="0" Text="Got it. Thanks for the links." CreationDate="2011-08-15T18:07:41.443" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4907" PostId="1917" Score="0" Text="Have you got some examples of those flagged questions? I agree with John - VBox is a tool for sysadmins. So answers about VBox might help in a server context, too. It`s not much of a difference if I have a Ubuntu guest because I want a Linux client or if I have a CentOS guest because I simulate the PXE boot setup for servers..." CreationDate="2012-01-22T22:05:21.990" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="3232" PostId="1918" Score="1" Text="Add goo.gl.  Definitely a bad thing when one of them goes dark, taking all the links with it.. but maybe offer a helpful message to users who have a post blocked by that filter? (scope creep!)" CreationDate="2011-08-15T20:40:58.870" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="3233" PostId="1918" Score="0" Text="Can the links not just be expanded and included 'whole'?" CreationDate="2011-08-15T20:52:32.863" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3234" PostId="1918" Score="0" Text="@RobertMoir - that would require the site's engine to follow the link, eat the 301 and alter the post text.  Seems like a lot of work for the infrastructure that can be relatively painlessly offloaded onto the human doing the typing: &quot;We like our users to know what you're linking to, and we let you have lots of characters to type it out -- Please use the full URL for the resource you're referencing&quot;" CreationDate="2011-08-15T20:57:44.283" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3235" PostId="1918" Score="0" Text="add .info to goo.gl links and the + sign to bit.ly links to get the full URL as well as some statistics. Not sure about the others. Perhaps only allow URL shorteners that are 1) established and 2) easy to get to the stats page (like the two I mentioned)" CreationDate="2011-08-15T21:12:37.103" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3250" PostId="1918" Score="0" Text="Aww.  I also had a spammer use &quot;urlshorteningservicefortwitter.com&quot; one time - but it appears to have gone under :(." CreationDate="2011-08-16T00:52:16.693" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="3253" PostId="1918" Score="0" Text="@Robert, that'd be nice, but I'd settle for simply blocking the links." CreationDate="2011-08-16T02:28:10.010" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3258" PostId="1918" Score="0" Text="BTW, this request was [tag:status-declined] on meta.so.  http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/64450/ban-url-shorting-services http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/29518/can-and-should-stack-overflow-automatically-rewrite-bit-ly-links http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/99136/let-me-flag-that-for-you-url-shortener-cleanup" CreationDate="2011-08-16T06:04:13.017" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3260" PostId="1918" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache, the first one is similar (but is asking for *all* instead of just the &quot;worst&quot;/most popular). The second is asking for Robert mentioned, which I didn't think would happen for the reasons cited in the Q. The third isn't status-declined, but more of a battle cry for the same thing. I still think it would be nice, and it's worth Jeff (et al) hearing it again, even if they disagree." CreationDate="2011-08-16T12:31:05.447" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3263" PostId="1918" Score="0" Text="This has been brought up with many pros and cons and use cases both ways [on the main meta](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=url+shortener) and you can see that it has been [officially declined](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/64450/145951) as a feature request." CreationDate="2011-08-16T15:32:04.630" UserId="40193" />
  <row Id="3266" PostId="1918" Score="0" Text="@Caleb, thank you for repeating what Zoredache posted." CreationDate="2011-08-16T17:32:09.877" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3270" PostId="1918" Score="0" Text="I know its expensive, and I know this is a moot point with it being status declined on meta meta, but I was thinking out loud about ways to both make it easier to spot 'lmgtfy' style links and not penalise inexperienced question answerers" CreationDate="2011-08-16T19:42:05.277" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3287" PostId="1919" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure about questions but there most certainly is a very finite limit to the length of answers. Even I (not renowned for long answers) have hit that limit several times and have had to chop bits out." CreationDate="2011-08-17T21:51:37.333" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3289" PostId="1919" Score="0" Text="y'all be too damn verbose! I think I've hit the answer limit once.  I've never considered using bit.ly or similar to shorten my answer to fit though.  Perhaps I'm just not that bright :)" CreationDate="2011-08-18T03:21:45.603" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3290" PostId="1919" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers - this can also be taken for a good excuse to start a petition to allow more verbosity in answers ;)" CreationDate="2011-08-18T03:22:39.437" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3237" PostId="1920" Score="4" Text="I clicked it. I lol'd." CreationDate="2011-08-15T21:28:58.857" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3238" PostId="1920" Score="2" Text="URL lengtheners??" CreationDate="2011-08-15T21:39:36.527" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3239" PostId="1920" Score="0" Text="But... there's a &quot;globe-with-arrow&quot; symbol to make linkable text! AND if you just put http://www.somewhere.com in an answer it's pretty good about figuring it out, no? (case in point - that was &quot;h t t p : / / w w w . s o m e w h e r e . c o m&quot; above)" CreationDate="2011-08-15T21:56:37.727" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3242" PostId="1920" Score="4" Text="@vortaq7, the globe-with-arrow doesn't work in comments.  But honestly, I don't care much, I mostly just wanted to post a really long url." CreationDate="2011-08-15T22:12:35.297" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3252" PostId="1920" Score="0" Text="Finally, a use for `hugeurl`." CreationDate="2011-08-16T02:26:15.817" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3286" PostId="1920" Score="0" Text="Ignoring for a moment that fact that you were simply having a bit of fun, I'd suggest being more intelligent about constructing the link in the first place. There is absolutely no reason for any legitimate link to be anywhere near that long, so it follows that there is no legitimate reason to use a URL shortener, other than an attempt to obfuscate it." CreationDate="2011-08-17T21:50:17.800" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3288" PostId="1920" Score="1" Text="@John Gardeniers, length really isn't the issue.  But there are valid links that confuse the markdown parser when using the syntax for inline URLs that is required in the comments/chat.  For example links to many wikipedia articles don't work because of the (.  A person can manually urlencode these, but that is a bit painful." CreationDate="2011-08-17T22:01:56.917" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3318" PostId="1920" Score="0" Text="A heads up, that link will crash the stock browser on a samsung galaxy s2." CreationDate="2011-08-19T05:39:41.233" UserId="21383" />
  <row Id="3241" PostId="1921" Score="4" Text="You're right - that was out of order - I'm sorry." CreationDate="2011-08-15T22:07:10.780" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3254" PostId="1925" Score="0" Text="Hah, the Chaser did a [War on Everything](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chaser%27s_War_on_Everything) in Australia. It was amusing." CreationDate="2011-08-16T03:00:53.590" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3255" PostId="1925" Score="7" Text="Jeff Atwood seems to disagree with you on specificity: &quot;can you provide some specific examples? I find it difficult to talk about this stuff in the abstract.&quot;  Also, I've previously been told to raise such issues here, given the circumstances in this specific case." CreationDate="2011-08-16T04:15:38.780" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3265" PostId="1926" Score="1" Text="*A slight off-topic correction and related thoughts:* Though SF is part of the SE sites, it's purpose it to cater to System Administrators and other Professional Business Network Support Personnel. Almost all the other sites are intended to include hobbyists and semi-related fields, not the case with SF however. While this doesn't require users being &quot;experts&quot; it does *imply* a certain base level of knowledge (which you have demonstrated you don't have, no offense intended)." CreationDate="2011-08-16T17:26:38.053" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3267" PostId="1926" Score="1" Text="@Chris I disagree on the basis that not all professional sysadmins are aware of everything they need to know to do their job. While you might feel I'm unqualified for my job, the faq (see section 1) doesn't set any requirements on qualifications. However, it may be the that this is the general consensus of the SF community. If that is the case, and taking your points into consideration, I doubt that any potential questions I have would meet the 'base level'. I do want to clear up if that's the expectation though, otherwise I should be looking elsewhere for assistance." CreationDate="2011-08-16T17:37:51.943" UserId="1997" />
  <row Id="3268" PostId="1926" Score="2" Text="@Dana - As a junior admin, especially a junior *NIX admin, you should expect that your questions will be answered by pointing you in the direction of a solution and saying &quot;Go play with it until you make it work&quot;.  With the exception of big/interesting problems or questions about configurations (with examples) SF doesn't really do the &quot;I can has code??&quot; type answers because one size very rarely fits all." CreationDate="2011-08-16T18:09:39.970" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3269" PostId="1926" Score="1" Text="@Dana, completely agree with Voretaq. In addition each question is judged on it's merits. This question had a mix of 'do my job for me' with 'I don't actually know what cross-platform compatible implies' and &quot;stuff that's been done before&quot;. Your next question could easily be one that really stumps the most experienced admins. Nobody should be excluded based on who they are or what knowledge level they have; but questions will be voted based on the apparent knowledge level of the person asking the particular question. The purpose of SF is for *the community to get the Answer*, you included." CreationDate="2011-08-16T19:09:42.100" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3273" PostId="1926" Score="2" Text="&quot;SE will not cater to anyone but experts.&quot; -- from listening to the podcasts, I'm fairly certain that that is an explicit design goal.  More than once I've heard Joel and Jeff express a sentiment along the lines of &quot;if you don't attract the experts, then it's a big clueless newbie fest, and if you encourage bad questions you drive away the experts&quot;.  Keeping question quality high is the only way to keep experts around, and you're asking questions here because the experts are here." CreationDate="2011-08-16T21:15:36.970" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3274" PostId="1926" Score="0" Text="@womble Agreed, and part of my reason for posting is to help figure out where the line of expert/professional is. Again, if you're accurately representing the bar for questions, then the faq could be amended to state that SF is for '.. professionals to ask advanced questions about system administration. If your question is on Basic/Intermediate systems administration tasks, it should be directed at SU&quot;. This would help rid SF of people like myself who have to do the job, but don't meet the requirements expected by the community (I know I'm getting off topic here)." CreationDate="2011-08-16T21:25:07.947" UserId="1997" />
  <row Id="3279" PostId="1926" Score="4" Text="Don't put emphasis on &quot;advanced&quot; -- well-thought-out basic questions are encouraged (they're great rep bait, if nothing else).  Meditate a little on the basis of &quot;professional&quot;; think about the characteristics (apart from &quot;gets paid&quot;) that make someone a professional in their field, such as a willingness to learn, not sponge off others' knowledge, and so on.  This dovetails nicely with &quot;community&quot;, which means that if you're asking of others' time, you respect the time they give you by asking the best durned question you possibly can -- which, I'm sorry to say, yours wasn't." CreationDate="2011-08-16T22:01:12.470" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3280" PostId="1926" Score="0" Text="To expand a bit on @womble's comments, there's a difference between wanting to attract experts (and develop newbies into experts) and being &quot;just for the experts&quot; -- The former turns into an echo chamber quickly. The latter is what I see as the SE network's goal.  Bringing in new people and new ideas is critically important (at least on technical sites like SF and SO), and the best source of those are inquisitive newbies." CreationDate="2011-08-17T04:02:52.597" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3283" PostId="1926" Score="0" Text="@Voretaq7 Unless my dyslexia is acting up again, I think you got your &quot;former and latter&quot; bass ackwards." CreationDate="2011-08-17T19:02:34.947" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3284" PostId="1926" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid - Quite correct sir." CreationDate="2011-08-17T19:53:48.217" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3272" PostId="1927" Score="0" Text="Nope, I agree that I got the information I asked for and needed. Although the question got blasted to oblivion, which is what prompted my meta discussion. The answer I'm settling on is that participation in SF is entirely for those with a lot of experience and no one else. Knowing who you can place themselves in that group doesn't seem that clear though, and the SF faq may as well reflect that to reduce confusion (what exactly is 'professional')." CreationDate="2011-08-16T20:55:03.660" UserId="1997" />
  <row Id="3277" PostId="1927" Score="0" Text="ServerFault is not &quot;for those with a lot of experience and no one else&quot; - I'm sorry if that's what you elect to take away from this discussion.  As I said, I don't agree with the downvotes, but the question you asked is, at least in my mind, a dupe - you asked for &quot;a *single* command (or one liner)&quot;, and got pointed at a question that had the canonical one-ilner as an answer.  That's What's Supposed To Happen…" CreationDate="2011-08-16T21:56:31.100" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3278" PostId="1927" Score="1" Text="Re: &quot;what exactly is 'professional'&quot; - http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/465/perception-of-purpose is the typical reference topic for that.  You're on the right site as far as I'm concerned." CreationDate="2011-08-16T21:59:32.270" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3293" PostId="1927" Score="0" Text="understood and your link addresses my question." CreationDate="2011-08-18T15:07:02.430" UserId="1997" />
  <row Id="3271" PostId="1928" Score="0" Text="For your 1st point, I'm not sure why &quot;I know that this information is included in the output of various incantations of ifconfig, ip, etc and can be parsed out.&quot; isn't clear about what I've considered. Also, I wasn't trying to disregard your contribution, just make it more clear what I was asking. Regarding your 2nd point, there are often many ways to accomplish a task, but there may be one that is better than others. That's what I was attempting to express." CreationDate="2011-08-16T20:26:56.827" UserId="1997" />
  <row Id="3276" PostId="1928" Score="0" Text="I concede the point and the 2nd half of my original question. I intend my question to be annoying but see how it become so." CreationDate="2011-08-16T21:42:21.820" UserId="1997" />
  <row Id="3275" PostId="1929" Score="0" Text="Fair enough, that isn't what I intended but it's clear now that I was getting too clever with my question." CreationDate="2011-08-16T21:36:58.427" UserId="1997" />
  <row Id="3281" PostId="1931" Score="1" Text="What about instances like this http://serverfault.com/questions/301739/group-policy-not-being-applied-because-of-mysteriously-missing-file where you don't really *answer* a question outright, but walk the person through troubleshooting it?" CreationDate="2011-08-17T18:35:57.527" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3282" PostId="1931" Score="0" Text="@Nixphoe Updated!" CreationDate="2011-08-17T18:57:41.227" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3285" PostId="1931" Score="0" Text="I have taken to updating my answers with a solution from the comments if that is where it is finally sorted out." CreationDate="2011-08-17T20:02:26.407" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4922" PostId="1932" Score="0" Text="@Starfish, you can disagree all you like but the fact is that **at the time I posted that answer** the VB web site very clearly stated that VB was not intended to be used on server operating systems." CreationDate="2012-01-23T03:27:54.457" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4970" PostId="1932" Score="0" Text="@Starfish, do you seriously expect people to go back and edit old posts just because something might have changed in the interim? You also appear to have failed to grasp that the reference is in regards to **hosting on** server operating systems, not servers as guests." CreationDate="2012-01-23T22:40:19.530" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7361" PostId="1932" Score="1" Text="@Starfish, are you serious? Many users have thousands of posts. I doubt any of us have either the time nor the inclination to review everything we've posted in the past. That's just absurd. This is *not* a wiki. Nor is it a forum." CreationDate="2012-10-28T22:42:15.933" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3294" PostId="1934" Score="0" Text="I see. This is what i felt aswell. I guess its a broader discussion about community vs the person posting the question in here somewhere. Anyways, i look forward to more discussion on the topic" CreationDate="2011-08-18T19:50:23.103" UserId="21383" />
  <row Id="3295" PostId="1934" Score="0" Text="Yeah, that's generally poor form.  Editing an answer to fix typos, or maybe style it with numbering or code formatting, but don't add content." CreationDate="2011-08-18T19:50:29.860" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3296" PostId="1934" Score="0" Text="@Holocryptic even if the answer is more complete after and the original answer is left completely unchanged just amended?" CreationDate="2011-08-18T19:52:14.133" UserId="21383" />
  <row Id="3297" PostId="1934" Score="0" Text="@artifex - I can think of one special-case exception: If the original answer is overtly dangerous without the amendment (and even then it's probably better to flag or downvote)" CreationDate="2011-08-18T19:53:50.183" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3298" PostId="1934" Score="2" Text="My opinion is that if there is more to offer, add another answer.  Or alternatively, ask permission from the original answer-er to make the edit.  I've seen that at least once." CreationDate="2011-08-18T19:55:09.747" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3299" PostId="1934" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7, in which case deletion is usually the way to go" CreationDate="2011-08-18T19:55:33.583" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3301" PostId="1934" Score="0" Text="@Holocryptic I really like this approach, to give the original answerer the chance to edit the question. Perhaps you should turn this into an answer. Back to the point of my question: I believe that another answer would be less beneficial to the community  (the correct answer would be spread across two answers)" CreationDate="2011-08-18T20:16:08.653" UserId="21383" />
  <row Id="3305" PostId="1934" Score="1" Text="@Holocryptic: I believe the philosophy of the network is that content-related edits, as long as they are respectful of the original poster, are *more* accepted and encouraged than typographical fixes.  This is based on the podcasts and early SO blog posts." CreationDate="2011-08-18T21:42:01.870" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3306" PostId="1934" Score="1" Text="@womble - I can agree with that, but I also think we should encourage the OP to improve their answer and edit it ourselves only when that may not happen (or doesn't happen quickly enough) -- that way the OP gets something out of it too (more knowledge, positive reinforcement for writing more complete answers). -- I've occasionally withheld an upvote until an answer was edited, it's a good carrot :)" CreationDate="2011-08-18T21:48:41.677" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3300" PostId="1935" Score="0" Text="I can see the slipperly slope you are refering to." CreationDate="2011-08-18T20:12:45.567" UserId="21383" />
  <row Id="3304" PostId="1935" Score="3" Text="I tend to disagree. Improving the answer is exacty what the edit button is for, not just for spelling, but for content as well. We can deal with isolated incidents as they arise." CreationDate="2011-08-18T20:52:59.730" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3307" PostId="1935" Score="0" Text="I've seen that thread before. Thankfully it doesn't happen that way too often that I see but its a reminder that as good as our system is, when it goes wrong it goes real wrong." CreationDate="2011-08-18T22:08:59.153" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3308" PostId="1935" Score="2" Text="@Mark - I agree with offering improvements to an answer. I disagree with attempting to force your edits onto the original owner of an answer by going into a wikipedia-style edit/revert war with them. If something is **dangerous** then yes it must then be corrected but in that case it should be flagged." CreationDate="2011-08-18T22:10:54.847" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3302" PostId="1936" Score="1" Text="Yeah, I agree. Were I not just about to get food, I'd have written pretty much the same thing. I've done it before, and make no excuses for it, provided you're not changing the intent of the post, like you say." CreationDate="2011-08-18T20:16:20.407" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="3303" PostId="1936" Score="3" Text="I think that's a key distinction between whether it's acceptable or not -- in the cooking.SE post @Holocryptic linked to the intent of the answer was changed: That's definitely not OK.  Making it better (&quot;better&quot; being a subjective community standard) isn't a bad thing." CreationDate="2011-08-18T20:24:43.370" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3309" PostId="1936" Score="0" Text="What @voretaq7 said" CreationDate="2011-08-19T00:03:31.793" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3321" PostId="1936" Score="0" Text="Your answer seem to reflect the general consensus. I've therefore marked it. Thank you" CreationDate="2011-08-19T22:48:02.317" UserId="21383" />
  <row Id="3316" PostId="1937" Score="0" Text="Definitely - In fact I do this with comments made on my answers: If a comment substantially corrects something I wrote I'll do a &lt;s&gt;strike&lt;/s&gt; and replace, and if it adds something critically important I'll edit that into the answer as well" CreationDate="2011-08-19T03:53:20.627" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3310" PostId="1939" Score="3" Text="Well, my personal life goal is to get the copper tag badge for Canada.  I take offense." CreationDate="2011-08-19T01:29:49.663" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="3311" PostId="1939" Score="1" Text="Offense taken on both sides sir.  Gauntlet thrown.  Or is it snowball, in this case?" CreationDate="2011-08-19T01:31:10.837" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3312" PostId="1939" Score="0" Text="Not to mention, that if I can't have a [tag:Dutch] or [tag:Indonesia] tags to bolster my heritage, then no one can have anything!" CreationDate="2011-08-19T01:34:42.407" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3314" PostId="1939" Score="1" Text="Dibs on the first gold badge for [tag:anglo-saxon-bitzer]" CreationDate="2011-08-19T01:37:59.437" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3315" PostId="1939" Score="0" Text="I was wating for this question after I saw a question with just [tag:canada] ;)" CreationDate="2011-08-19T02:36:53.863" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3313" PostId="1940" Score="0" Text="This was my feeling as well" CreationDate="2011-08-19T01:35:46.290" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3317" PostId="1941" Score="1" Text="*applause* &lt;pad&gt;" CreationDate="2011-08-19T05:21:32.940" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3320" PostId="1941" Score="1" Text="Blame [tag:canada]! Blame [tag:canada]!" CreationDate="2011-08-19T16:13:24.070" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3344" PostId="1941" Score="1" Text="Shouldn't this question now have the `status-completed` tag? Apart from throwing a few jokes around there doesn't seem to be a lot more to discuss on the topic." CreationDate="2011-08-23T01:32:06.203" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="21498" PostId="1941" Score="0" Text="Your image link is broken." CreationDate="2016-11-12T20:57:18.457" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="3319" PostId="1942" Score="2" Text="The synonym system is borked because the rules are setup for StackOverflow (The favorite SE site; the rest of us are just red-headed step children) where they have 20 times as many people as any other SE Site. Posting here is the best way." CreationDate="2011-08-19T12:34:52.077" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3327" PostId="1945" Score="3" Text="What's Twitter?" CreationDate="2011-08-21T21:47:44.337" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3322" PostId="1946" Score="0" Text="My fault, sorry" CreationDate="2011-08-21T04:40:04.107" UserId="66889" />
  <row Id="3323" PostId="1946" Score="0" Text="that's OK, there's no way for you to know about it other than checking the site directory. And it is also new.. we only set it up about a week ago!" CreationDate="2011-08-21T04:46:57.403" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3324" PostId="1946" Score="0" Text="And what if you do a link to SFaul's twitter account somewhere in the left column? Will be more easy to find" CreationDate="2011-08-21T04:53:58.313" UserId="66889" />
  <row Id="3339" PostId="1947" Score="0" Text="More like [Max Zorin with an `indispensable` computer](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=043WEs_6TAo)" CreationDate="2011-08-22T19:16:32.393" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3325" PostId="1948" Score="1" Text="I bet the costs associated with A/C are quite nice in igloos" CreationDate="2011-08-21T06:07:46.050" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3326" PostId="1948" Score="3" Text="Yes, but dehumidifying cost are what kill." CreationDate="2011-08-21T13:23:46.603" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="3328" PostId="1950" Score="0" Text="That's good enough for me ;)" CreationDate="2011-08-22T06:27:19.073" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3329" PostId="1951" Score="6" Text="4. Keep option 1 and have a community blog." CreationDate="2011-08-22T15:09:29.997" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3330" PostId="1951" Score="0" Text="@Iain: That would be an option as well I guess, wonder what the domain name would be though." CreationDate="2011-08-22T15:24:37.387" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="3331" PostId="1951" Score="1" Text="community.blog.serverfault.com" CreationDate="2011-08-22T15:28:44.317" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8784" PostId="1951" Score="0" Text="@Iain. Or `serverfault.blogoverflow.com`, in line with the SE blogs? (Actually, that already exists, as a redirect.)" CreationDate="2013-03-05T19:00:25.970" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="8785" PostId="1951" Score="0" Text="@TRiG: I'm not sure but I don't think blogoverflow existed in Aug 2011." CreationDate="2013-03-05T19:08:03.010" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11649" PostId="1951" Score="0" Text="I think it'd be nice to see some community blog posts here on SF." CreationDate="2013-09-23T21:22:57.010" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="3333" PostId="1952" Score="0" Text="I doubt there's enough interest to do Option #4; but I'm in favor of #2 too." CreationDate="2011-08-22T19:11:20.903" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3349" PostId="1953" Score="0" Text="I'm all for occasional guest posts, or even adding the blog feeds that we pipe into chat as a sidebar of interesting posts, but I like blog.SF as an info-feed of what's going on with the StackExchange network -- SE is a good example of a medium-to-large / fairly high-traffic environment, and there's a lot of value to the SF blog just in presenting how you guys keep the environment running and improve it over time." CreationDate="2011-08-23T17:35:48.987" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3350" PostId="1953" Score="0" Text="I would really like to see most the posts from your 'Nuances of the ServerFault FAQ' series cross-posted over to the official blog.  They are very much on topic, and some people might find them easier of they where on the official site." CreationDate="2011-08-25T01:52:20.190" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3351" PostId="1953" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache I thought about pinging Kyle/George about it. If there is interest, I can clean those up better." CreationDate="2011-08-25T02:09:27.040" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3346" PostId="1955" Score="2" Text="side-note: This question is the #1 hit for the google-search of &quot;find directory linux&quot;. This probably explains all the traffic." CreationDate="2011-08-23T02:23:20.450" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3340" PostId="1956" Score="0" Text="Im on my phone at the moment but when I get to the office I'll dig up an old meta post about the same question, but from so." CreationDate="2011-08-22T22:06:10.587" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3341" PostId="1956" Score="0" Text="Looking forward to it." CreationDate="2011-08-22T22:22:54.027" UserId="21383" />
  <row Id="3342" PostId="1956" Score="1" Text="Additional reading: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8004/should-we-migrate-old-questions http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/76702/should-we-migrate-old-questions-to-new-se-sites and http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/83759/migrating-old-so-questions-to-programmers" CreationDate="2011-08-22T22:24:02.777" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3343" PostId="1957" Score="0" Text="True. I gave up blogging once I started my family (no time for it any more), but I suspect most of us have tried blogging in the past." CreationDate="2011-08-23T00:38:05.233" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3345" PostId="1957" Score="1" Text="Agreed. Anyone of us who can't easily set up a blog of our own should perhaps not even be here. Of course actually thinking of something to write..." CreationDate="2011-08-23T01:36:44.670" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3352" PostId="1959" Score="0" Text="It is only migrated. As i can see it, i have measly 282 rep on SU." CreationDate="2011-08-25T10:35:53.140" UserId="21383" />
  <row Id="3353" PostId="1962" Score="0" Text="...I ran into these a couple weeks ago when mobile, and mentally flagged them for dealing when I had time. Then forgot the tag-set. I'll get on it." CreationDate="2011-08-25T18:38:52.343" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3355" PostId="1964" Score="0" Text="I think something like this has been asked before; the fact that http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/208/is-the-highlight-for-interesting-questions-in-sf-too-light is still open suggests this isn't going to be fixed -- unfortunately, since I find the current colour differentiation in answered/accepted to be far too subtle." CreationDate="2011-08-26T09:15:13.587" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3354" PostId="1965" Score="0" Text="These guys are hardcore, so I'm going to guess `pf`" CreationDate="2011-08-26T09:10:22.607" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3401" PostId="1965" Score="0" Text="I'm guessing pf as well..confirmation would be nice though." CreationDate="2011-08-30T18:04:23.787" UserId="16797" />
  <row Id="3402" PostId="1966" Score="1" Text="That's just iptables isn't it?" CreationDate="2011-08-30T18:04:52.430" UserId="16797" />
  <row Id="3356" PostId="1967" Score="0" Text="anything that adds tonal contrast is definitely gonna be better." CreationDate="2011-08-26T13:54:59.080" UserId="1352" />
  <row Id="3357" PostId="1967" Score="0" Text="I would also prefer a fill in color, the 'answer selected' is pretty hard to pick out." CreationDate="2011-08-26T17:22:44.867" UserId="89989" />
  <row Id="3395" PostId="1968" Score="0" Text="Does using Debian's `tasksel` fall into this category?" CreationDate="2011-08-30T06:31:05.157" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="3396" PostId="1968" Score="3" Text="No, certainly not. `tasksel` merely selects the appropriate packages out of Debian's repo and installs them for you. This is far superior to the *AMP one-click installer packages." CreationDate="2011-08-30T07:05:57.220" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19084" PostId="1968" Score="1" Text="`sudo apt-get install lamp-server^`" CreationDate="2015-07-26T00:10:36.743" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="3358" PostId="1970" Score="0" Text="It would be used as a search tool, not an auto-destroy button :)" CreationDate="2011-08-26T18:00:54.933" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3359" PostId="1970" Score="0" Text="I figured that, but we should strive for a clean tool (to whatever extent it's practical) - no sense having to wade through 20 screens of crap to find spammers :)" CreationDate="2011-08-26T18:26:07.733" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3361" PostId="1971" Score="0" Text="There's *already* at least one query on data-explorer that does this; I used it a while ago to find a few spammy users.  If I get around to finding it again, I'll post it as an answer." CreationDate="2011-08-26T21:39:13.637" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3363" PostId="1971" Score="0" Text="I imagine there is, it therefore would be less hard to just add as a mod tool page then." CreationDate="2011-08-27T08:45:58.903" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="8093" PostId="1973" Score="2" Text="We now HAVE a canonical question: http://serverfault.com/questions/453617/why-not-use-a-wamp-stack" CreationDate="2012-12-29T18:07:05.867" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3364" PostId="1976" Score="2" Text="This is exactly the place to suggest it :) Looks like someone else already beat me to it though." CreationDate="2011-08-27T23:55:08.597" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3375" PostId="1976" Score="0" Text="This is duplicated. Thank you so much for your help. I don't know how to close it." CreationDate="2011-08-28T02:21:33.150" UserId="92607" />
  <row Id="3385" PostId="1980" Score="0" Text="I don't know if these things are relevant to the error message you received or not but two things stand out to me. Lack of proper capitalization and the unnecessary and undesirable &quot;Thanks&quot;." CreationDate="2011-08-28T22:23:01.903" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3366" PostId="1981" Score="5" Text="errrr, we don't necessarily like greetings and such in questions. We usually go out of our way to delete them, in fact. The greetings and thanks, not the whole question." CreationDate="2011-08-28T00:28:52.893" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3367" PostId="1981" Score="0" Text="What Holocryptic said -- There is always something more useful you can add than &quot;Thanks&quot; or &quot;Hello&quot; - see what @sysadmin1138 mentioned above." CreationDate="2011-08-28T00:35:20.257" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3368" PostId="1981" Score="0" Text="Holocrypt and voretaq7 Perfectly understood." CreationDate="2011-08-28T00:36:54.597" UserId="92607" />
  <row Id="3369" PostId="1982" Score="0" Text="thanks, I didn't know about the linux site, I will ask there then. I can add more text, but I really think that the question is just valid as it is. For example, the app, in this case, is irrelevant." CreationDate="2011-08-28T00:37:04.050" UserId="92954" />
  <row Id="3370" PostId="1983" Score="0" Text="Thanks to you and @Mark, this was done some time ago. It was my fault.  ¿Should I delete the question, right?" CreationDate="2011-08-28T00:43:41.457" UserId="92607" />
  <row Id="3372" PostId="1983" Score="0" Text="Close as dupe is better." CreationDate="2011-08-28T01:25:41.980" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3373" PostId="1983" Score="0" Text="how can i closte it?" CreationDate="2011-08-28T02:18:24.713" UserId="92607" />
  <row Id="3374" PostId="1983" Score="0" Text="Apparently, wait for a mod to come along.  &lt;grin&gt;" CreationDate="2011-08-28T02:20:18.050" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3377" PostId="1984" Score="1" Text="I don't see any [tag:windows-deployment-services] tag?" CreationDate="2011-08-28T04:42:53.990" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3378" PostId="1984" Score="0" Text="Yes you are right. Futher more i think ther is a typo with the tag. http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/windows-deployment-servic" CreationDate="2011-08-28T04:45:02.270" UserId="92607" />
  <row Id="3379" PostId="1984" Score="0" Text="Ah, good catch :)" CreationDate="2011-08-28T04:45:38.823" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3380" PostId="1984" Score="0" Text="@mark see my answer below" CreationDate="2011-08-28T08:57:23.130" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="17117" PostId="1986" Score="0" Text="Who decides that a question is canonical? Anyone in the community?" CreationDate="2015-03-10T10:54:33.487" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="17118" PostId="1986" Score="2" Text="@AndrewSchulman Yes, and you can self Q&amp;A with the intention of providing both the question and the answer. Other members of the community will step in and contribute better answers if they feel that the existing ones are insufficient. This has worked pretty well for us so far, and I imagine that the mods will step in if someone tries to abuse this. (a &quot;canonical&quot; Q&amp;A that disregards the community isn't really canonical)" CreationDate="2015-03-10T20:11:30.343" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="21234" PostId="1986" Score="6" Text="&quot;A list of these problems is given in the accepted answer below.&quot; - only there's no accepted answer. :-)" CreationDate="2016-08-27T13:25:00.233" UserId="44090" />
  <row Id="9989" PostId="1987" Score="23" Text="Just reading through these has increased my knowledge, we should make these more prominent." CreationDate="2013-04-06T22:36:01.230" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="20491" PostId="1987" Score="0" Text="What an awesome list... I'm a developer turned business owner/IT noob and came across this while looking for some basic info... this will keep me busy for a LONG time!" CreationDate="2016-03-11T16:10:01.863" UserId="326958" />
  <row Id="21477" PostId="1987" Score="0" Text="&quot;How to stop people from using my domain to send spam? [duplicate]&quot; surely shouldn't be on this list. Or is it a shining example of the perfect duplicate? The answer it is apparently a duplicate of doesn't address the original problem at all, so it probably isn't that." CreationDate="2016-11-01T16:35:09.350" UserId="100089" />
  <row Id="21490" PostId="1987" Score="0" Text="This makes it seem like the ability to have tags for answers would be good." CreationDate="2016-11-10T00:27:14.143" UserId="335183" />
  <row Id="3392" PostId="1991" Score="3" Text="Wouldn't it be best to point that hypothetical new admin at something that described exactly *why* `*AMP` is a bad idea, and what a better option is, so that they can fix the problem *before* they become deeply embedded in it's tentacles?" CreationDate="2011-08-29T20:11:46.223" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3393" PostId="1991" Score="1" Text="@womble, yes it would and that would be constructive. Simply closing the question or sending it to SU wouldn't be at all helpful." CreationDate="2011-08-29T22:22:09.683" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3394" PostId="1991" Score="0" Text="Aha, I think I misunderstood your stance." CreationDate="2011-08-30T05:47:01.873" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="6927" PostId="1991" Score="5" Text="+1 for not wanting to be too restrictive on what's &quot;professional&quot; in someone's unknown production environment.  As awful an idea as it is, when project or task constraints are &quot;whatever equipment you can beg borrow or steal, $0, and completed by yesterday,&quot; the proper professional behavior can be shoving a MAMP stack into production, as dirty as I feel saying so.  And in shops with shoestring budgets for hardware and software, I've had great results shoving a LAMP stack onto an old desktop and reminding the boss/client it's an awful idea that will hurt later, but you insisted, so, there it is." CreationDate="2012-09-14T02:55:05.157" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12035" PostId="1991" Score="2" Text="I work for nonprofits, and most times you have what you have. I've made several long-term, medium-traffic intranet systems on WAMP, by necessity. Best practice is great, and I can talk all day about the virtues of hosting on a *nix platform, but at the end of the day life often falls short of best practice. No lives will be lost if I deploy on WAMP." CreationDate="2013-11-19T19:49:44.827" UserId="134969" />
  <row Id="3388" PostId="1993" Score="0" Text="Thanks a lot! I'll do so next time." CreationDate="2011-08-29T00:08:13.607" UserId="86976" />
  <row Id="3400" PostId="1993" Score="0" Text="+1 Unless &quot;very low quality&quot; is an exact description of the problem, please fill in a few words on why it *needs* someone to look at it." CreationDate="2011-08-30T12:57:30.480" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3390" PostId="1994" Score="0" Text="IMO that one is borderline, and &quot;possession is 9/10ths of the law&quot;" CreationDate="2011-08-29T13:03:36.037" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3391" PostId="1994" Score="0" Text="I'm not really familiar with that expression but i interpret it as, from what i've read, that if it isn't a clear case the moderation should stand as is?" CreationDate="2011-08-29T14:08:08.467" UserId="21383" />
  <row Id="3399" PostId="1994" Score="0" Text="@Artifex, that's a common saying in the US regarding the law. Essentially it means that whoever currently has possesssion of something in question *tends* to have the law on their side regardless of proper ownership. In this case, I think Jeff meant it to mean whatever site already had the question should keep it (even if it's a mildly better fit for another site)." CreationDate="2011-08-30T12:55:23.963" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3398" PostId="1995" Score="0" Text="+1 Agreed, whatever site it started on is where it should stay." CreationDate="2011-08-30T12:53:14.637" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3412" PostId="1996" Score="0" Text="I see, i did not know that was a consideration." CreationDate="2011-08-31T07:01:59.760" UserId="21383" />
  <row Id="3413" PostId="1996" Score="0" Text="Ultimately it's just a flag, pretty much the smallest unit of currency on SE, if anyone is really that bothered about flag weight/rep/badges I'd suggest they take up a sport because the SE sites aren't a very 'just' world." CreationDate="2011-08-31T08:25:49.937" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3416" PostId="1996" Score="0" Text="I'm not really bothered with the weighting and such. I'm more interested in understanding what is correct moderation. It's just who i am. I never really disputed that it was declined. Just curious as to why." CreationDate="2011-08-31T10:08:43.513" UserId="21383" />
  <row Id="3415" PostId="1997" Score="0" Text="It's more if the question is suited for than off topic. Off-topic comes from the labeling scheme of the flag system." CreationDate="2011-08-31T10:08:12.983" UserId="21383" />
  <row Id="3426" PostId="1997" Score="0" Text="@artifex, exactly why is the particular example under discussion unsuitable in your view? Not every admin is completely fluent in every conceivable command on every OS, so sometimes questions like that need to be asked." CreationDate="2011-09-01T01:14:11.267" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3427" PostId="1997" Score="0" Text="I agree with your argument." CreationDate="2011-09-01T06:24:17.047" UserId="21383" />
  <row Id="3409" PostId="2002" Score="1" Text="[What are tag badges? How do they work?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/63835/what-are-tag-badges-how-do-they-work)" CreationDate="2011-08-31T01:14:53.417" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="3410" PostId="2002" Score="0" Text="@jscott - you should post that as an answer" CreationDate="2011-08-31T01:18:08.627" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3411" PostId="2002" Score="0" Text="I'm referring to the Badges listed at: http://serverfault.com/badges?tab=tags" CreationDate="2011-08-31T01:20:29.530" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="3414" PostId="2005" Score="0" Text="Sure, but wouldn't it be easier if we could vote on it? Now, 80% of the votes will go towards closing." CreationDate="2011-08-31T08:47:27.640" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="3420" PostId="2006" Score="0" Text="+1 Can't find the reference right now but they've said the VTC Migrate screen will always have Meta + the 3 most popular migration destinations in recent history. It's not automatic however, so requests are heard." CreationDate="2011-08-31T18:33:49.780" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3962" PostId="2006" Score="2" Text="The problem with that is it relies on people diving in and flagging - I think stuff is more likely to wind up closed (OT) as it's a path of lower resistance :)  It also might be interesting (and maybe more effective) to rebalance those stats over the last (e.g.) 30 days, especially if that's a &quot;for all time&quot; tally..." CreationDate="2011-11-16T22:29:09.623" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3417" PostId="2009" Score="0" Text="Looks like it doesn't exclude merged questions (ie [this](http://serverfault.com/questions/137292/how-can-i-pre-sign-puppet-certificates)/[this](http://serverfault.com/questions/19462/how-can-i-pre-sign-puppet-certificates)).  Great query though, thanks!" CreationDate="2011-08-31T18:08:46.003" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="3418" PostId="2009" Score="0" Text="By the way, on my [similar superuser question](http://meta.superuser.com/q/3347/67711) nhinkle added some guidelines for flagging. Being a total foreigner to Serverfault, I'll let this for the SF crowd to guess how to handle it here." CreationDate="2011-08-31T18:10:01.037" UserId="69624" />
  <row Id="3419" PostId="2009" Score="0" Text="@Shane: I found no way to exclude merged questions, only closed ones. I thought closing would be a prerequisite for merging, but it seems not to be so." CreationDate="2011-08-31T18:12:02.220" UserId="69624" />
  <row Id="3421" PostId="2009" Score="0" Text="Looks like a goldmine for getting the Marshall badge ;)" CreationDate="2011-08-31T18:51:23.603" UserId="1997" />
  <row Id="3422" PostId="2009" Score="0" Text="@Dana: Please don't flood the moderator's flag queue, the moderators might not like too many such flags. This is firstly meant for users who can already vote to close." CreationDate="2011-08-31T18:56:49.760" UserId="69624" />
  <row Id="3423" PostId="2009" Score="0" Text="May be better to start a queue of specific questions to vote on then. A duplicate question is a duplicate question though." CreationDate="2011-08-31T19:04:53.130" UserId="1997" />
  <row Id="3424" PostId="2009" Score="0" Text="@Dana: There is this [Vote to close chat room](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/161/server-fault-vote-to-close). But wait on your moderators to say whether you should or should not flag." CreationDate="2011-08-31T19:12:23.243" UserId="69624" />
  <row Id="3425" PostId="2009" Score="2" Text="I would suggest that using the vote to close option is the most constructive, but if you feel they need a mod to close, or that they need merging please do flag them." CreationDate="2011-08-31T20:40:16.047" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3605" PostId="2012" Score="1" Text="The first search is pretty long, and adding a year or feature code to a tag like that is going to make it massive, over the character limit. The Second, which is probably the widest recognized by SAs, is the same as Womble's suggestion. Sounds like the way to go." CreationDate="2011-09-26T14:10:56.143" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3455" PostId="2013" Score="0" Text="You may want to consider editing the tag wiki for [tag:advanced-format] so it's more clear exactly what it means. I believe at your rep you can propose edits and someone will be happy to approve it :)" CreationDate="2011-09-07T21:03:14.693" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3477" PostId="2013" Score="0" Text="now done, have a look." CreationDate="2011-09-08T07:00:25.587" UserId="79266" />
  <row Id="3479" PostId="2013" Score="0" Text="much better :-)" CreationDate="2011-09-08T14:15:48.340" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3429" PostId="2015" Score="5" Text="Consider this the question that decides the fate of the Coolest Server Names. **thump thump**" CreationDate="2011-09-04T19:09:42.157" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3433" PostId="2015" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin - I've edited the question to more clearly align with the goal of deciding ultimate fate. Hopefully we can end this question once and for all :-)" CreationDate="2011-09-04T20:58:10.997" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="3443" PostId="2015" Score="3" Text="Go vote for this MSO question to help alleviate the situation where hundreds of Delete votes are required for trash like this that gets migrated with tons of votes already on it.  http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/87031/reset-votes-on-migrated-questions" CreationDate="2011-09-06T14:53:19.983" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="3447" PostId="2015" Score="4" Text="Clearly this question is a nonsense. It's not &quot;our&quot; history. I don't care that some programmer once named their build servers after their favourite startrek TNG characters any more than I'd expect them to care about how &quot;my&quot; internal network's host naming structure applies to servers." CreationDate="2011-09-07T10:57:21.933" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3484" PostId="2015" Score="0" Text="Now that this is done. What about other questions like this? Example: http://serverfault.com/questions/7902/best-system-administrator-accident and this http://serverfault.com/questions/3668/what-are-the-most-manageable-and-interesting-server-naming-schemes-being-used" CreationDate="2011-09-09T00:15:01.523" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3430" PostId="2016" Score="2" Text="Don't migrate crap. Not Good Subjective. Delete it." CreationDate="2011-09-04T20:42:35.553" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="3431" PostId="2016" Score="0" Text="Well, the community deleted it once. Jeff brought it back (I assume because of its historical significance). I'd hate to delete it again without his blessing." CreationDate="2011-09-04T20:49:11.760" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="3440" PostId="2016" Score="2" Text="@Jason, Jeff is able to do whatever he likes with that or any other question. That should be no reason to refrain from honest voting. I'd personally rather be banned from the site than to wimp out." CreationDate="2011-09-05T21:41:35.063" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3435" PostId="2017" Score="0" Text="The issue is that it requires something like 100+ community votes to delete and I'm not comfortable doing it on behalf of that many users. Although, most people won't notice it gone I'm guessing" CreationDate="2011-09-05T01:32:39.347" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3436" PostId="2017" Score="0" Text="@Mark - According to http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/50523/should-delete-votes-be-limited-like-close-votes we need 22 votes" CreationDate="2011-09-05T01:49:36.767" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="3437" PostId="2017" Score="0" Text="This is why I'm trying for a vote. I want big numbers. And if the question deletes *naturally*, which would be the 2nd or 3rd time that's ever happened here I believe, then we won't need a mod-hammer." CreationDate="2011-09-05T02:44:09.033" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3438" PostId="2017" Score="0" Text="@Jason: It just told me it needed another 320-odd delete votes.  Farque." CreationDate="2011-09-05T03:46:47.333" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="3439" PostId="2017" Score="0" Text="@womble - I didn't notice. It said all rep for the question PLUS all rep for all of the answers divided by 20...so at this point, it's impossible for the community to get rid of it on its own no matter how much we may want to." CreationDate="2011-09-05T04:46:04.893" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="3441" PostId="2017" Score="0" Text="I was just told 221 votes still required." CreationDate="2011-09-06T06:33:51.547" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3442" PostId="2017" Score="0" Text="+1 I cast my delete vote on it ages ago.  It got migrated from SO with a bazillion votes already on it.  Because of this and the delete formula we're kinda screwed unless it gets mod-hammered." CreationDate="2011-09-06T13:38:57.003" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="3444" PostId="2017" Score="1" Text="Down to 220 votes needed... Considering there's 3,832 upvotes on the first page alone, and that would need 195 close votes to delete, plus the other pages.... We'll have to mod-hammer it eventually. But it would be nice to get a bunch of people in on it first." CreationDate="2011-09-06T18:24:41.953" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3648" PostId="2017" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson: *You* might not notice it gone... but deleting this question actually broke [StackStatus](http://stackapps.com/q/2124)." CreationDate="2011-09-29T06:01:55.263" UserId="30745" />
  <row Id="3650" PostId="2017" Score="0" Text="@GeorgeEdison - how on earth...?" CreationDate="2011-09-29T09:16:50.883" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3651" PostId="2017" Score="0" Text="@GeorgeEdison I'm guessing it was the monitor-page target. It goes away, so does the monitor. I've done much the same thing at my old job :}" CreationDate="2011-09-29T11:57:44.547" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3445" PostId="2019" Score="1" Text="Is is possible to lock every bit of it, fixate it in history and prevent it from ever popping up on the front page again?" CreationDate="2011-09-06T18:29:04.910" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3446" PostId="2019" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS As I understand it Locking the post will do all of that. But it'll still hang out as one of the top-voted questions." CreationDate="2011-09-06T21:31:28.993" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3434" PostId="2020" Score="13" Text="The &quot;it brings a LOT of traffic to the site&quot; opinion holds little water with me, since it's exactly the kind of question you shouldn't ask here. The exemplar, even. The petulant in me says, &quot;if the SO people want it kept, they can house it.&quot;" CreationDate="2011-09-04T22:24:27.887" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3456" PostId="2025" Score="0" Text="a) the synonymed tags should all route *to the same product*. They're currently just mildly renamed versions of each other. b) everyone that uses TMG calls it TMG, including the product group (see the ISA team blog). The second part doesn't matter as much as the suboptimal routing to different-yet-synonymous-but-not-synonymed end tags." CreationDate="2011-09-07T21:24:54.660" UserId="35088" />
  <row Id="3457" PostId="2025" Score="0" Text="re: a) There'll eventually be other versions of TMG, so TMG-2010 shouldn't be a synonym for TMG. There's only 3 tags, one for general TMG, one for TMG 2010, and one for Forefront (ie Antigen) products. b) Microsoft's website is littered with various acronyms. I agree that FTMG sounds weird, I didn't make it up. Your last sentence doesn't make sense. Could you restate it, or perhaps clearly &amp; explicitly outline how you think the tags should be laid out?" CreationDate="2011-09-07T22:25:30.223" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3470" PostId="2025" Score="0" Text="See the titles at: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/Forefrontedgegeneral/threads for a quick overview of what people that use the product post about it as. I'm suggesting that for ease of use, better SEO, and simple populist rationalism, that SF adopt the most common acronym for the major tag. On other versions - an announcement is being awaited on the future of TMG, so perhaps not. On people calling anything forefront 2010 including antigen - it's an ambiguous tag, and should arguably just be removed (unless there's a gentle way of coaching people not to use an umbrella brand)" CreationDate="2011-09-08T00:15:45.777" UserId="35088" />
  <row Id="3474" PostId="2025" Score="0" Text="I agree that it's far from obvious what TMG stands for (I thought it was a variant of TMNT). I'm sure those who do know what TMG is also already know who the vendor is. However, for those of us who don't know, does it really make any difference who the vendor is?" CreationDate="2011-09-08T02:02:11.707" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3533" PostId="2027" Score="1" Text="Answering questions isn't a requirement, it's good but not required. What matters is the quality of the questions and answers - that's what has caused you all of your pain - poor quality. Please, before advising others how to behave, learn how to behave correctly yourself." CreationDate="2011-09-14T09:09:56.057" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3449" PostId="2029" Score="0" Text="Okay. And even if I don't ask stupid questions or get downvoted or delete my questions, do you think it is even possible to get the ability to ask again?" CreationDate="2011-09-07T20:23:05.807" UserId="89067" />
  <row Id="3450" PostId="2029" Score="0" Text="@U4, yes, you can Answer other people's question, once you've got a handful of upvotes from that you should be able to Ask again (it may take a whole day for the system to pickup the change). Note: your last 12 Answer have netted you -1 votes total; that factors into being able to Ask." CreationDate="2011-09-07T20:26:08.573" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3451" PostId="2029" Score="1" Text="sure is, just participate with answers for now when you can and unless you have HIGHLY tripped the algorithm (you havn't) you should be good" CreationDate="2011-09-07T20:27:27.230" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="3452" PostId="2029" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much gentlemen. Cleared up a lot." CreationDate="2011-09-07T20:29:15.707" UserId="89067" />
  <row Id="3453" PostId="2029" Score="0" Text="Also, the work you've already done has already lifted the ban" CreationDate="2011-09-07T20:29:29.303" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="3454" PostId="2029" Score="0" Text="I just tried it ten minutes ago and it didn't work. Maybe I have to log out and in. But again, much appreciated." CreationDate="2011-09-07T20:34:32.987" UserId="89067" />
  <row Id="3458" PostId="2030" Score="0" Text="Not to be mean or anything, but THANKS, cap'n obvious. Sorry. Couldn't help it. But yeah, I need to work on that." CreationDate="2011-09-07T23:07:16.070" UserId="89067" />
  <row Id="3459" PostId="2030" Score="3" Text="@U4iK - I know it's fairly obvious, but you asked why you can't ask questions. This many **bad** answers *has* to factor in. We're a community of professional systems administrators. If you want to learn, that's fine. Sit back, soak it in, ask meaningful on-topic questions. Some of your answers are blatantly factually incorrect. That's completely unacceptable and the community has voted as such. This is, in part, causing you to not be able to contribute as much, since the system sees a large number of your contributions as **bad**." CreationDate="2011-09-07T23:09:21.107" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3460" PostId="2030" Score="0" Text="Actually, the ban was magically lifted. I'm not questioning the cron job gods. And unrelated: do I have to do &quot;@username&quot; when commenting, even if it sends them a postbox message anyways?" CreationDate="2011-09-07T23:10:58.860" UserId="89067" />
  <row Id="3461" PostId="2030" Score="0" Text="The user whose post you are responding to will always get notifications without geting @'d. If you were replying to someone else in the comments to my answer, you would need to." CreationDate="2011-09-07T23:13:36.657" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3462" PostId="2030" Score="0" Text="I understand. And if I include an @, will the creating-user still get a message?" CreationDate="2011-09-07T23:17:03.113" UserId="89067" />
  <row Id="3463" PostId="2030" Score="0" Text="Yes, they will." CreationDate="2011-09-07T23:17:58.527" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3464" PostId="2030" Score="0" Text="Yes they will get a notification." CreationDate="2011-09-07T23:18:14.100" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="3466" PostId="2030" Score="0" Text="@U4iK_HaZe Somewhat counter intuitively, FAQs about *how* the SE sites work live in meta.stackoverflow.com's [FAQ](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/faq) tag -- For your reference: [How do comment replies work?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/43019/how-do-comment-replies-work)" CreationDate="2011-09-07T23:24:56.320" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="3475" PostId="2030" Score="2" Text="@U4iK_HaZe - one critical thing to remember is that SF and the other StackExchange sites **ARE NOT** bulletin board systems: They are Question and Answer sites.  Questions should be on-topic (per the FAQ), and answers should be factually correct and helpful (either telling the asker how to do what they want, why they shouldn't, or offering alternative options). Questions and answers that meet those guidelines garner varying degrees of up-votes and positive rep. Questions or answers that do not meet those guidelines garner downvotes, especially if wrong or dangerous." CreationDate="2011-09-08T04:54:42.873" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3471" PostId="2031" Score="0" Text="This makes a happy Berg" CreationDate="2011-09-08T00:54:32.983" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="3472" PostId="2031" Score="0" Text="And there was much rejoicing." CreationDate="2011-09-08T01:25:52.627" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="3473" PostId="2031" Score="2" Text="It is with genuine joy and pride that I see my name on that list. Thank you. This was a job far too long in the making." CreationDate="2011-09-08T01:50:16.180" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3480" PostId="2031" Score="2" Text="As luck would have it, NASA caught the impact: http://ow.ly/i/gW93/original" CreationDate="2011-09-08T14:30:52.070" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3483" PostId="2031" Score="0" Text="Hark!  I hear, TRUMPETS!" CreationDate="2011-09-08T21:38:00.847" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="3481" PostId="2032" Score="0" Text="If you need a real example and not &quot;what if&quot;. I was going to add the numbered list to my question http://serverfault.com/questions/308781/webdav-system-error-67-in-windows-xp for the part of **Things That Haven't Worked**." CreationDate="2011-09-08T15:14:23.840" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3482" PostId="2033" Score="2" Text="I guess that would be it then. Just need to have double the spaces to get it to hook into the number. Makes perfect sense. Thanks" CreationDate="2011-09-08T16:09:27.263" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3487" PostId="2033" Score="2" Text="@nix see http://serverfault.com/editing-help#advanced-lists" CreationDate="2011-09-09T19:42:02.930" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3488" PostId="2033" Score="0" Text="@Jeff outstanding. Thanks!" CreationDate="2011-09-09T19:56:59.620" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3489" PostId="2033" Score="1" Text="@Jeff Jeebus, you wrote a book on it." CreationDate="2011-09-09T19:58:16.213" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3485" PostId="2035" Score="6" Text="Never too soon for more cleanup." CreationDate="2011-09-09T05:08:57.890" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="3493" PostId="2035" Score="4" Text="Burn them with fire. And review any post tagged with them to see if it should be strapped to a rocket and fired into the sun too." CreationDate="2011-09-10T20:12:40.890" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3490" PostId="2040" Score="3" Text="Doesn't deserve the spam flag, but still a bad answer...+1 to Zypher. -1 to Richard's &quot;answer&quot;" CreationDate="2011-09-09T21:59:30.247" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="3491" PostId="2040" Score="0" Text="I apologize for that answer. Thank you for informing  me of why it happened. It wont happen again." CreationDate="2011-09-10T00:24:50.197" UserId="93722" />
  <row Id="3522" PostId="2040" Score="0" Text="Not spam but definitely offensive. Nevertheless, it deserved downvotes and deletion, not -100 rep." CreationDate="2011-09-13T00:28:47.813" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3521" PostId="2041" Score="0" Text="Your observations are valid. You may well be crazy but that's a whole other matter that we don't need to go into ;)" CreationDate="2011-09-13T00:24:40.983" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3523" PostId="2041" Score="0" Text="I love you too." CreationDate="2011-09-13T00:40:44.090" UserId="89067" />
  <row Id="3525" PostId="2041" Score="0" Text="fwiw covered http://meta.webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/405/if-all-sysadmin-questions-get-punted-to-serverfault-and-all-html-css-are-progra/406#406 as well as http://meta.webmasters.stackexchange.com/search?tab=votes&amp;q=serverfault" CreationDate="2011-09-13T02:24:14.657" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3492" PostId="2042" Score="0" Text="[tag:subjective] 3 questions. Buuuurn" CreationDate="2011-09-10T20:11:42.557" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3494" PostId="2045" Score="0" Text="I've been flagging questions with these tags. I'm scared to cause front page spam by removing tags. Can you even do that to closed questions?" CreationDate="2011-09-12T00:49:00.007" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3495" PostId="2045" Score="0" Text="@Nix - really old closed questions with poor view counts I just deleted. But no, we have no way of re-tagging without bumping, which is why we do it over a long period of time" CreationDate="2011-09-12T00:52:36.220" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3520" PostId="2047" Score="0" Text="I have often thought it would be good to have a site where we could have discussions or Q&amp;A on stuff that may not be on topic for SF, yet still have a similar level of discipline. e.g. A place where, amongst other things, we could ask questions about how to deal with bosses, users, auditors, etc. or ask questions that would be far too subjective or localised for SF." CreationDate="2011-09-13T00:22:45.197" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3552" PostId="2047" Score="0" Text="We tried to get a programmers-like site going it got closed on area51 by non SFers as `likely to pull content away from an existing site`." CreationDate="2011-09-19T19:02:41.307" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3555" PostId="2047" Score="0" Text="@lain - I'm wondering which site that would be? Are they afraid it would pull off-topic posts away from Server Fault? Heaven forbid!" CreationDate="2011-09-19T19:28:54.920" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="3556" PostId="2047" Score="0" Text="I believe it was" CreationDate="2011-09-19T19:36:26.337" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3496" PostId="2048" Score="0" Text="This is exactly what was needed!" CreationDate="2009-04-30T19:27:00.427" UserId="246" />
  <row Id="3497" PostId="2048" Score="1" Text="Minor nit: I'd change the ordering of other/general so that google search was first. SO/SF are very well designed to promote the &quot;search first, ask as a last resort&quot; method of finding answers, which I think is important as a general principle." CreationDate="2009-04-30T19:35:31.277" UserId="333" />
  <row Id="3498" PostId="2048" Score="0" Text="@Wedge - You're right, re-ordering now..." CreationDate="2009-04-30T19:47:53.667" UserId="706" />
  <row Id="3499" PostId="2048" Score="1" Text="It is so painful to consider sending people to Yahoo! Answers. Might we replace that with ask.metafilter.com?" CreationDate="2009-04-30T20:07:29.767" UserId="1107" />
  <row Id="3500" PostId="2048" Score="0" Text="@davebug - I added yahoo, google search, and askmetafilter as answers.  Vote them up, and the top two will go on the list." CreationDate="2009-04-30T20:31:16.543" UserId="706" />
  <row Id="3501" PostId="2048" Score="0" Text="is it worth cross linking this with a the SO question?" CreationDate="2009-04-30T20:53:19.953" UserId="306" />
  <row Id="3502" PostId="2048" Score="0" Text="@Sam - I don't know.  Crosslinking between SF and SO is going to be an interesting question for many similar topics and articles.  At this point I'm going to assume that utlimately the communities will be different, and this question will adapt to this community's needs.  I've prepopulated it with SO's answers, but I suspect it will become uniquely serverfault within a few months.  In that vein, I'm not sure how crosslinking will benefit people, beyond the link to stackoverflow for programming questions..." CreationDate="2009-05-01T14:17:11.177" UserId="706" />
  <row Id="3503" PostId="2048" Score="0" Text="Can someone add IRC please. I've suggested it below because it's a very immediate place to ask questions." CreationDate="2009-05-06T11:04:15.450" UserId="1576" />
  <row Id="3504" PostId="2048" Score="0" Text="As soon as someone lists IRC channels that apply to individual categories above, I will.  Adding links to IRC software isn't going to resolve someone's problem - if they know so little about IRC that they need help finding software, they will have no idea what to do when they start the program.  Links to IRC servers and channels for particular topics above would be appropriate." CreationDate="2009-05-06T12:40:03.223" UserId="706" />
  <row Id="3505" PostId="2048" Score="0" Text="Does this belong on meta?" CreationDate="2010-12-02T11:47:22.547" UserId="12182" />
  <row Id="3516" PostId="2048" Score="0" Text="So why are people voting to close this?  It does seem appropriate on meta." CreationDate="2011-09-12T16:35:27.757" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3519" PostId="2048" Score="1" Text="I voted to close this as noise or pointless because meta is supposed to be an area where we discuss the main SF site, or did I misunderstand something?" CreationDate="2011-09-13T00:15:39.570" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8847" PostId="2048" Score="0" Text="This needs to be updated." CreationDate="2013-03-20T14:16:22.543" UserId="139844" />
  <row Id="3506" PostId="2054" Score="3" Text="I'm tempted to flag as offensive... ;-P" CreationDate="2009-05-05T15:14:51.783" UserId="706" />
  <row Id="3507" PostId="2054" Score="2" Text="i need help but they broke my google when i visited them so that i can't read any of their answers. they probably have a virus in their outlook i guess" CreationDate="2009-05-12T13:50:42.857" UserId="2318" />
  <row Id="3508" PostId="2054" Score="3" Text="+1 &quot;The Website with the Hyphen in the Name&quot;" CreationDate="2009-05-21T15:34:36.053" UserId="835" />
  <row Id="3509" PostId="2055" Score="3" Text="The links you provide aren't forums for people to ask for help - they are programs that allow people to get to the forums.  This is like saying, &quot;If you need help, go download a browser.&quot;  Do you have links to specific IRC server/channels that provide a good forum for one of the areas abaove?" CreationDate="2009-05-06T12:38:11.950" UserId="706" />
  <row Id="3510" PostId="2055" Score="1" Text="As great as irssi is, XChat may be worth mentioning under the Linux section (or listed separately as cross-platform?)" CreationDate="2009-05-08T21:22:17.460" UserId="1070" />
  <row Id="3511" PostId="2055" Score="0" Text="I only listed them for the initial poster to add IRC to the list. There should be a whole IRC question &amp; answer really." CreationDate="2009-05-09T08:57:50.847" UserId="1576" />
  <row Id="3512" PostId="2057" Score="2" Text="Hardware and software problems on a single case basis are not particularly sysadmin or IT related.  If you had 500 new computers and 500 monitors and they were not compatible but should be, then it might be applicable, but in your case you have hardware that used to work, nothing changed in your setup, and now doesn't work.  It's not a question that requires sysadmin or IT expertise - just computer repair expertise.  While the skills needed overlap, this site is focused on those questions that are explicitly and wholly within the IT and sysadmin domain." CreationDate="2009-05-21T15:44:12.773" UserId="706" />
  <row Id="3513" PostId="2057" Score="0" Text="It's a fine distinction, and over time we'll gain many more 3k+ editors than can vote to close and open questions, and this line will shift.  There will be many comparable questions that will remain open and many others that will be closed, and it will always be a source of friction.  But this website isn't meant to cater to every computer and hardware problem - only those that really only exist in, or can best be solved in, the IT and sysadmin domain." CreationDate="2009-05-21T15:48:39.333" UserId="706" />
  <row Id="3514" PostId="2057" Score="2" Text="Thank you for answering, but that sounds to me like the fix is to find and replace &quot;my&quot; with &quot;this user's&quot;.  Or, maybe just tweak the title to sound more encyclopedic: Change &quot;Why won't Windows allow my monitor's native resolution?&quot; to &quot;Force native resolution to Non-PnP monitor in Windows.&quot;" CreationDate="2009-05-21T16:58:29.473" UserId="624" />
  <row Id="3515" PostId="2057" Score="0" Text="Whether or not that question actually addressed an issue experienced by the user or the person asking the question was performing desktop support, not IT administration. Since Server Fault exists to cater to IT administrators, it was off topic.  Yes it is a fine line, but not that fine. Don't you get upset when people ask you to fix their VCRs because you're a &quot;computer guy&quot;?" CreationDate="2009-06-02T22:59:34.560" UserId="4392" />
  <row Id="3517" PostId="2064" Score="0" Text="I see it now. Just very hard to notice on a CRT display. But it is indeed lighter." CreationDate="2011-09-12T20:18:38.840" UserId="89067" />
  <row Id="3518" PostId="2065" Score="0" Text="Yes, it's not a big deal at all." CreationDate="2011-09-12T21:18:44.153" UserId="89067" />
  <row Id="3532" PostId="2066" Score="0" Text="this really should be clarified, it is not &quot;low quality&quot;, it's &quot;very low quality&quot; -- unless you are referring to manually entered mod flags." CreationDate="2011-09-14T01:30:17.373" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3526" PostId="2067" Score="2" Text="I agree that bad answers should be kept, along with their comments though I may draw a distinction between &quot;bad&quot; or &quot;wrong&quot;, and &quot;Dangerous and Destructive&quot; (&quot;Q: How do I free up disk space?&quot; -&gt; &quot;A: rm -rf /&quot;) - The latter should be expunged and the answering user horsewhipped in the town square." CreationDate="2011-09-13T14:20:33.157" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3527" PostId="2067" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Updated!" CreationDate="2011-09-13T19:17:00.773" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3528" PostId="2067" Score="0" Text="Re: dangerous answers update, If you have sufficient rep you can see the deleted dangerous answers (nudge nudge, wink wink, join the site and stop being a FREAKIN' LEACH ya damn Googlers!).  My fear is always having the dangerous answer pop up in a google search - makes us look bad IMHO" CreationDate="2011-09-13T19:44:38.073" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3531" PostId="2067" Score="0" Text="generally this is not what we mean by &quot;very low quality&quot; -- very low quality questions are NOT well worded, they are barely intelligible and would take TONS of invasive editing to fix, to the point that deletion is a more effective solution." CreationDate="2011-09-14T01:29:11.667" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3530" PostId="2068" Score="0" Text="you can vote to delete negatively voted answers at 20k rep, see /privileges" CreationDate="2011-09-14T01:28:00.903" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3529" PostId="2071" Score="0" Text="We already have, sort-of. Users over 20K (we have 15, soon to be 16) can vote to delete answers. Such answers should show up in the &quot;Delete&quot; tab in 10K tools. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5221/what-can-cause-a-post-to-be-deleted-and-what-does-that-actually-mean" CreationDate="2011-09-14T00:18:28.230" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3534" PostId="2075" Score="7" Text="I think that for something like zsh that's a grey area, but if you're from ACME Software who has written ACME's Greatest Shell Ever (Yours for only 4 small payments of $999.99) then that's definately a no-no." CreationDate="2011-09-15T02:26:25.510" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3538" PostId="2075" Score="1" Text="I think @Lain's answer is the best way to keep your self out of trouble." CreationDate="2011-09-15T14:11:38.910" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3539" PostId="2075" Score="3" Text="Post a blog, get people to link to it.  Or try searching for existing questions." CreationDate="2011-09-15T15:33:54.753" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3541" PostId="2075" Score="1" Text="I don't see any difference between the question you are asking and the one you originally asked." CreationDate="2011-09-15T21:54:49.207" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3550" PostId="2075" Score="0" Text="Even with your edit yesterday this still seems like a contrived question and answer routine rather than a genuine one to me. I'd still classify it as spam, personally." CreationDate="2011-09-17T16:53:27.330" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3543" PostId="2078" Score="0" Text="My only beef with that is if you *only* post such a solution - zsh (and GNU Parallel) are great tools, but they aren't ubiquitous.  If you post something that relies on them make sure you call out that dependency (and it would be nice to offer more generic solutions in e.g. Bourne shell)" CreationDate="2011-09-15T22:14:59.457" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3549" PostId="2078" Score="1" Text="Indeed, they have to be answers to real questions that use tool plugh." CreationDate="2011-09-16T11:45:18.853" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3558" PostId="2079" Score="0" Text="Okay. I was just thinking that some people purposefully go through other peoples questions and answers and rate all if them with downvote. Because this does happen." CreationDate="2011-09-15T10:41:28.077" UserId="89067" />
  <row Id="3559" PostId="2079" Score="0" Text="We have automated tools that spot this kind of behaviour, if you know of this occuring let us know and we can, and frequently do, act on it very seriously. We had a bunch of work collegues voting each others posts up, an email fixed the problem and they now add a lot to the site." CreationDate="2011-09-15T10:57:02.387" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3560" PostId="2079" Score="0" Text="Yes, it happens. If someone attracts enough attention due to poor posts people are likely to see what else they've posted. Does this surprise you?" CreationDate="2011-09-15T12:07:48.917" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3561" PostId="2079" Score="0" Text="In addition to what Chopper said, it doesn't take all that many votes (up or down) to trip the automated bots." CreationDate="2011-09-15T13:37:37.693" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3562" PostId="2079" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure offhand if I've ever downvoted any of your questions and answers on the main site. I have to say that whenever I've read your questions there does appear to be a wildly inconsistent nature to the quality of your answers. I can see why others have downvoted you on some answers even though I don't feel the need to &quot;pile on&quot; and add to the downvotes myself. Perhaps some of your questions are getting downvoted because they're getting the votes they deserve." CreationDate="2011-09-15T17:16:38.337" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3563" PostId="2079" Score="0" Text="Really, U4ik - you should know how comments/answers work by now..." CreationDate="2011-09-20T00:59:29.833" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3564" PostId="2079" Score="0" Text="@mark -And I say the same with: that comment was totally unconstructive. Eh? Well have a good one." CreationDate="2011-09-20T01:13:15.900" UserId="89067" />
  <row Id="3567" PostId="2079" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson It took me a few months to figure out the Q/A nature of the site here. It's unlike anything else on the web, especially in the IT realm." CreationDate="2011-09-20T02:34:21.660" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3568" PostId="2079" Score="0" Text="@wesley That is very true. Now my question is this: what came first, stackX or OSQA? Is that a cheap knockoff of this or is this based off of that? They are strikingly similar." CreationDate="2011-09-20T03:34:25.230" UserId="89067" />
  <row Id="3569" PostId="2079" Score="0" Text="@U4iK_HaZe My understanding is that OSQA is one of many FOSS remakes of the Stack Exchange software. It's not necessarily a cheap knockoff; just a FOSS alternative to using the proprietary StackExchange network." CreationDate="2011-09-20T04:25:22.117" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3542" PostId="2085" Score="0" Text="Agreed - If your sole purpose in posting the question/answer pair is to promote a product it's spam, regardless of accuracy or usefulness.  If you find someone else's question and $PRODUCT is a good fit, by all means mention it." CreationDate="2011-09-15T22:13:40.533" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3544" PostId="2093" Score="2" Text="&quot;You are allowed to ask questions and answer them yourself.&quot; provided they are not made-up questions, that is, they are actual *problems* you had in doing your job." CreationDate="2011-09-16T07:27:34.143" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3547" PostId="2093" Score="1" Text="The problem here is that the guy is talking about posting *contrived* questions to which the product he's promoting is the One True Answer. I can't help feeling that the need to post contrived questions will severely limit the possibility of them being good questions." CreationDate="2011-09-16T09:23:30.617" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3551" PostId="2095" Score="2" Text="I made the mistake of blogging about installing SSL certs on my old blog a few years ago. RapidSSL lowlifes took advantage of that with comment spam for many moons afterward." CreationDate="2011-09-18T07:00:43.973" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3553" PostId="2096" Score="0" Text="Different people, different opinions on what's which side of the line. FWIW http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/1967508#1967508 refers to the one that was declined. You will probably find it easier to just drop the ones that can be voted on into the vote to close chat room anyway." CreationDate="2011-09-19T19:09:30.280" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3554" PostId="2096" Score="0" Text="The community can vote on Exact Duplicate, Off Topic (Off Topic, migrate to mSF,SO, SU and webmasters), Not a real question, not constructive, too localized). At least that way you get a community consensus. Anything else if flagable too." CreationDate="2011-09-19T19:15:25.733" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3557" PostId="2098" Score="0" Text="See: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/16065/how-does-the-bounty-system-work/16067#16067 (the section &quot;What happens if I feel my question is still unanswered?&quot;)" CreationDate="2011-09-20T00:58:10.413" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3565" PostId="2099" Score="0" Text="I only downvoted because, while *this* situation ended well, I think the bounty system is flawed and can be improved for the benefit of the community. I don't think we should award an A for effort. That seems to encourage a &quot;Lots of FLOPS, but no I/O&quot; scramble for busywork responses that aren't actually answers. Take my recent shot at a bounty. I spent a lot of time researching and typing, but it wasn't the answer. I wouldn't have deserved the 100 points that I was one upvote shy of getting. http://serverfault.com/questions/308781/webdav-system-error-67-in-windows-xp/309166#309166" CreationDate="2011-09-20T02:32:57.310" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3566" PostId="2099" Score="0" Text="TL;DR Encourage results, not effort." CreationDate="2011-09-20T02:33:10.197" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3579" PostId="2099" Score="0" Text="I'm not as worked up over it as I seem; I just don't want my bounty to be automatically assigned because of a meager two upvotes... it eliminates some of the incentive for someone who actually has the answer to post it after the bounty period is over. @WesleyDavid- And that's my fault for &quot;rewarding&quot; effort... but if someone provides a helpful answer I feel like even though it doesn't solve the issue an upvote is warranted." CreationDate="2011-09-22T16:20:10.713" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="3582" PostId="2099" Score="0" Text="@kce - I may be mistaken, but I believe you can offer multiple bounties even if the bounty is awarded. If you want to provide extra incentive, this is the way to do it. I think it would be easier to just get a new RAID card that has the features you want though." CreationDate="2011-09-22T16:36:28.680" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="3580" PostId="2100" Score="0" Text="&quot;encourage us to write questions that can be properly answered&quot; - and maybe that's the the issue... perhaps my question is not appropriate for SF or not of a high enough quality." CreationDate="2011-09-22T16:21:18.073" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="3583" PostId="2100" Score="0" Text="@kce, or it might be due to the sentence following the one you quoted. I personally see nothing wrong with the question itself." CreationDate="2011-09-22T22:58:24.873" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3581" PostId="2101" Score="3" Text="What if the the threshold for the automatic award of a bounty was increased to something between five and ten? Two upvotes can be pretty easy to obtain - even if the quality of the answer is severely lacking. All it takes is a witty or snarky comment that people agree with (The Reddit Phenomenon) and the answer is upvoted not because of content but because the community aligns with its prevailing opinion. (at least that has been my observation)" CreationDate="2011-09-22T16:26:53.840" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="3592" PostId="2101" Score="1" Text="Another idea: Set the automatic award threshold to be proportional to the amount of the bounty. The larger the bounty that stands to be awarded the greater the required number of upvotes." CreationDate="2011-09-24T01:54:09.970" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="3573" PostId="2105" Score="3" Text="I would suspect this was change from an answer to a comment by a mode. Link to question?" CreationDate="2011-09-20T14:40:22.483" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3574" PostId="2108" Score="3" Text="What if it's a FC switch, an IB switch, a voice switch etc.?" CreationDate="2011-09-20T15:20:49.770" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3575" PostId="2108" Score="0" Text="fiber-channel-switch seems like a mouthful, so I guess just 'switch' and 'fiber-channel' perhaps.  I don't know 'IB', and for voice switch, I agree you have a point, but there are 10 voice questions total on the site, so it doesn't seem to be a huge problem." CreationDate="2011-09-20T17:21:16.230" UserId="89989" />
  <row Id="3576" PostId="2108" Score="4" Text="... or a light switch?" CreationDate="2011-09-20T23:09:00.983" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3577" PostId="2112" Score="0" Text="I agree that `school` may be valid, but I was just reviewing the questions with that tag.  At least half of them are junk and probably should be closed &amp; deleted." CreationDate="2011-09-21T22:31:47.273" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3578" PostId="2112" Score="9" Text="@Zoredache, perhaps get rid of the questions and leave the tag to be used when it is appropriate." CreationDate="2011-09-22T00:37:18.350" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3584" PostId="2113" Score="0" Text="If I eat bread too quickly while looking at serverfault I get really bad hiccups - maybe I'm in a sub-1%-group too and should just stop doing it :)" CreationDate="2011-09-23T08:48:02.900" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3585" PostId="2113" Score="1" Text="@Chopper3 but what if it's the nicest bread you've ever had and it's been fine for the last few years?" CreationDate="2011-09-23T09:32:29.473" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3586" PostId="2113" Score="0" Text="Assimilate!!!! dunno, good point" CreationDate="2011-09-23T09:50:02.387" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3587" PostId="2113" Score="4" Text="*IIRC* IE, FF, and Chrome are the only three they test with internally before rolling an update (assuming they test the update; which *usually* happens). There's some semi-official feedback mechanism on mSO, but I can't remember where and I'm not going over there unless I have to." CreationDate="2011-09-23T12:50:11.757" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3590" PostId="2113" Score="0" Text="I had a similar problem on iOS safari but it went away after about 10 mins. Sometimes they break things during updates." CreationDate="2011-09-23T21:06:48.850" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3591" PostId="2113" Score="0" Text="@Mark, my problem has been happening at least a week. It might have started earlier but I wasn't using the machine for a few weeks prior to that." CreationDate="2011-09-24T01:05:49.867" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3593" PostId="2113" Score="0" Text="I'm always having trouble with their cdn.stackexchange.com - for about the past 3-4 months. I wonder if they're related. Perhaps some javascript that isn't loading..." CreationDate="2011-09-24T04:52:56.840" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5074" PostId="2114" Score="0" Text="Thank you for following up on your migrated question!" CreationDate="2012-01-25T05:37:22.033" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="3628" PostId="2117" Score="0" Text="He didn't like your answer, and downvoted you? What did you say?  did you downvote the question as well? I thought you can not know who downvoted you, but maybe I just don't have the right rep to do." CreationDate="2011-09-27T12:23:22.887" UserId="85932" />
  <row Id="3635" PostId="2117" Score="1" Text="He kept asking for how to install the &quot;lib64 files&quot; - to which I replied (with mounting curtness I must admit) that I needed more information to find out why his Debian box wouldn't boot. There was confusion about whether or not he deleted /sbin/init (again due to incomplete information) - where I basically said I didn't think he had the skill to diagnose what was actually broken, and that the quickest way to a working system would be a re-install. Within about 15 minutes, the question was deleted and I received a bunch of downvotes on other questions. Mighty coincidental if you ask me." CreationDate="2011-09-27T21:01:53.620" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="11860" PostId="2117" Score="1" Text="This just happened to me. http://meta.serverfault.com/q/5896/13716  What is with the negativity around here? The &quot;shoot first&quot; behavior hurts SF, IMO." CreationDate="2013-10-17T00:48:26.240" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="3594" PostId="2118" Score="0" Text="Thanks Jeff. I wasn't reporting it as a bug, merely trying to find out if others were having the same issue." CreationDate="2011-09-24T23:08:41.300" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3595" PostId="2119" Score="0" Text="I don't think 4 downvotes will trip the detector, though its around that level. In any case a quick upvote from one of us will more than compensate for your rep losses. ;)" CreationDate="2011-09-25T22:44:24.483" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3596" PostId="2119" Score="0" Text="Done, using an answer picked at random." CreationDate="2011-09-26T00:13:22.927" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3597" PostId="2119" Score="0" Text="@John - I hope it was at least an answer worth of an upvote ;)" CreationDate="2011-09-26T00:22:07.240" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3598" PostId="2119" Score="0" Text="@Mark, it already had some otherwise I would have picked another." CreationDate="2011-09-26T00:37:09.693" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3599" PostId="2119" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers - it's cool, it was a bit tongue in cheek :)" CreationDate="2011-09-26T00:59:22.810" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3619" PostId="2119" Score="0" Text="I don't think it tripped the vote detection script - I think I'm a few rep points short of where I was on Friday, but I'm not terribly concerned about it. I do appreciate the compensation for my attempt to salvage the apparently un-salavageable (I'll just flag to close next time)." CreationDate="2011-09-27T03:23:26.527" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="3600" PostId="2120" Score="5" Text="I once had a look at [tag:apache] and almost all of them were certainly apache 2.2 - I would like to ban `apache` as a tag, like we've banned `vmware` and force users into `apache1` and `apache2` generically." CreationDate="2011-09-26T01:00:50.420" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3601" PostId="2120" Score="1" Text="@mark don't apache version numbers increment very, very slowly and with major changes between? That's a good sign for this kind of tagging. And remember that `apache*` wildcards work almost everywhere you would expect them to..." CreationDate="2011-09-26T02:59:00.490" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3602" PostId="2120" Score="0" Text="@JeffAtwood - I'm not a huge apache person, so I honestly don't know about their version numbering schemes. My concern is that people won't know if they're on 2.0 2.2 or 2.4 and just choose one at random" CreationDate="2011-09-26T06:09:04.290" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3606" PostId="2120" Score="0" Text="Apache 2.0 was released in 2002; 2.2 in 2005; and 2.4 is expected &quot;in the near future&quot;. Even given the slow release schedule, the functionality changes between version is mostly minimal, most people will not know what version they're running, most people will be running 2.2.x anyway because that's what Linux distros, *AMPP stacks, et al ship with. I'm agreeing with Mark, until there's a notable difference just go with `apache1` and `apache2`." CreationDate="2011-09-26T14:21:34.477" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3615" PostId="2123" Score="1" Text="It's open again." CreationDate="2011-09-27T00:01:12.417" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3604" PostId="2124" Score="3" Text="Agreed.  The question as worded sounds more like a client issue than anything to do with servers." CreationDate="2011-09-26T13:46:36.837" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="3626" PostId="2124" Score="0" Text="thanks all, I did googled, no luck. I edited the question, hopefully to get an answer. Thanks" CreationDate="2011-09-27T08:06:55.413" UserId="85932" />
  <row Id="3639" PostId="2125" Score="0" Text="I've gone through those searches and manually retagged 16 questions that looked primarily 1.3 related to [tag:apache1]." CreationDate="2011-09-28T05:35:06.343" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="3697" PostId="2125" Score="0" Text="I have emailed the contact address below asking for the bulk to be done." CreationDate="2011-10-03T10:49:07.793" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3707" PostId="2125" Score="0" Text="this is done; there is an apache2-ssl as well, should that be left alone?" CreationDate="2011-10-05T09:44:40.470" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3709" PostId="2125" Score="0" Text="SSL is part of apache2, there is no need for a different tag. It should rather be tagged as &quot;apache2, ssl&quot;" CreationDate="2011-10-05T11:20:43.157" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="3719" PostId="2125" Score="1" Text="@JefAtwood: We've manually dealt with [apache2-ssl] so it can be blocked now too. Thanks for the help." CreationDate="2011-10-05T18:35:52.840" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3630" PostId="2126" Score="1" Text="Thanks for all the prompt and unambiguous responses ;)  &#xA;I have a better understanding of the policy and the need for it now." CreationDate="2011-09-27T16:40:54.583" UserId="5368" />
  <row Id="3607" PostId="2127" Score="0" Text="So if I'm not the sys admin on the server in question then you don't want me here?  Is that correct?  Perhaps to avoid confusion, you should add that as a close reason.  I was initially just trying to find out how to better word my question - before I realized that it wasn't the question but the asker that you had a problem with." CreationDate="2011-09-26T20:00:50.163" UserId="5368" />
  <row Id="3610" PostId="2127" Score="1" Text="@Tricky close reasons do leave something to be desired, and I know its something that's been discussed before.  Maybe we need to address that again at some point soon." CreationDate="2011-09-26T20:03:18.363" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3611" PostId="2127" Score="1" Text="You are correct that **NARQ** was a poor choice for the close reason, as Holo notes it should have been OT." CreationDate="2011-09-26T20:04:42.047" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3612" PostId="2127" Score="6" Text="@TrickyNixon You're most certainly welcome here! Just ask questions about servers that you directly administer." CreationDate="2011-09-26T20:05:19.157" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3613" PostId="2127" Score="2" Text="@Trickynixon - as MarkM notes, That question may not be on topic here but that does not mean you are unwelcome here. I'm sorry if you feel that's the case but as someone who is an active user and promoter of stack overflow for 3 years, you should surely know that question closures are not meant to be taken as a personal insult." CreationDate="2011-09-26T20:16:38.023" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3614" PostId="2127" Score="0" Text="The line is not just in the sand, it's also in the FAQ." CreationDate="2011-09-26T23:59:47.987" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3608" PostId="2128" Score="7" Text="Even though we are different that SO, many of the principles are the same. For example, if you went on SO and said &quot;I didn't write this app and I don't have access to the source code, what could be causing this bug?&quot; it would get shut down as well. It's a similar situation. If you don't have access to the app/logs/server/configuration/etc then you're also not the one that can solve the problem." CreationDate="2011-09-26T20:02:20.923" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3609" PostId="2128" Score="1" Text="&quot;Troubleshooting by proxy sucks.&quot; &#xA;Yes I can see that.  I didn't consider myself a proxy but I see where in many cases this could be an issue." CreationDate="2011-09-26T20:02:37.150" UserId="5368" />
  <row Id="3618" PostId="2129" Score="2" Text="I have similar [concerns](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2098/why-do-i-have-to-award-a-bounty) - although I disagree with you on some points. It's important to remember that a bounty does not guarantee an answer (of any quality), however I think the threshold for auto-award of the bounty is far to low. I'd would like to see it moved to five (or more) upvotes before the bounty system can automatically award a bounty." CreationDate="2011-09-27T03:18:39.123" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="3620" PostId="2129" Score="0" Text="Let's be really clear here. The poster NOT say &quot;you are using the wrong tool for the job&quot;. He said &quot;but I don't think OpenSSL is quite the tool for the job&quot;." CreationDate="2011-09-27T03:39:55.097" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3621" PostId="2129" Score="0" Text="One thing I can't quite work out. Why did you post a bounty when you don't like the terms? Why do that and then come here and complain about it?" CreationDate="2011-09-27T03:44:44.703" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3627" PostId="2129" Score="0" Text="Wow, I didn't notice he bounty on that.  Been a bit busy.  If nothing good comes up I may add another bounty.  Feel free to propose edits to make the question better." CreationDate="2011-09-27T08:54:10.380" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3629" PostId="2129" Score="3" Text="Since we're on this topic. I had a question where the bounty had expired and no one was awarded any points. Would it be worth to have some kind of silent bounty (by silent, I mean not show up on the publicity board) if the points go unawarded that they can still be given if someone in the future gives the answer?" CreationDate="2011-09-27T14:39:24.057" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3647" PostId="2129" Score="1" Text="@Nixphoe, I like that idea. The bounty would in effect be held in escrow, rather than simply being thrown out the window." CreationDate="2011-09-29T01:37:30.610" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3706" PostId="2129" Score="1" Text="To answer some of the comments--I breezed through the FAQ barely reading it.  I'm not blaming anyone for losing points (or reputation or whatever it's called)--I don't care about that.  I care about the term bounties being misrepresented. 'Bounties' in every other sense of the word are awarded upon delivery or completion of a task. Here, they are just handed out to the highest voted answer regardless of accuracy.  It's not a huge deal though--if that's the way the community wants to function, so be it.  :)" CreationDate="2011-10-05T02:55:59.137" UserId="18668" />
  <row Id="3617" PostId="2131" Score="0" Text="I've read the FAQ and like I said--I still think it's broken.  Regardless of what re-definition of 'bounty' is put in the FAQ, a bounty is a sum that is paid on delivery (in this context) of an answer." CreationDate="2011-09-27T02:48:05.387" UserId="18668" />
  <row Id="3623" PostId="2131" Score="4" Text="@Aaron what is delivered is publicity -- this is like complaining that you took out a classified ad in a newspaper (it's like a blog, but printed on dead trees) and had to pay in advance." CreationDate="2011-09-27T04:29:02.013" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3624" PostId="2132" Score="0" Text="Burn, burn, burn." CreationDate="2011-09-27T04:34:14.690" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3625" PostId="2132" Score="0" Text="Many of them are old questions, we have moved on. Perhaps they should be closed but not deleted." CreationDate="2011-09-27T07:12:01.077" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3649" PostId="2132" Score="0" Text="I've only just remembered that I asked about this previously. http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1666/eliminate-the-career-tag" CreationDate="2011-09-29T08:40:30.383" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3631" PostId="2135" Score="1" Text="There is a timer (minimum question age) that needs to run out before you can accept answers - I don't recall the value but it's not terribly long.  If the answers are popping up quick are you sure you're not running afoul of that?" CreationDate="2011-09-27T17:17:10.513" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3632" PostId="2135" Score="1" Text="These were days old questions from both the SuperUser and ServerFault sites.  The only other peice of information I can think of is that I answered my own questions.  It was weird that I was experiencing the exact same problem on two seperate questions at the same time.  Thats how I was able to test the workaround method given in the question." CreationDate="2011-09-27T18:08:49.363" UserId="81366" />
  <row Id="3633" PostId="2135" Score="0" Text="hmm, that definitely sounds buggy - Does it happen in another browser (chrome, firefox, safari) too, or is it IE8-specific brokenness?" CreationDate="2011-09-27T18:32:59.323" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3634" PostId="2135" Score="0" Text="Not sure, it was a unique instance that I was able take advantage of to test, and I happen to be in IE8 when it happened." CreationDate="2011-09-27T18:35:35.510" UserId="81366" />
  <row Id="3643" PostId="2135" Score="1" Text="The Question needs to be 48 hours old before you can Accept your own answer. An Answer must be 10 minutes old before you can Accept it." CreationDate="2011-09-28T15:27:40.127" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3682" PostId="2135" Score="0" Text="Experiencing the problem again as of now on another question.  Again, can't figure out what is causing.  I am in IE9 now.  Not sure its related, but this time I also got an orange box saying &quot;An error has occured.  Click this box to dismiss&quot; right below where the the check mark exists.  Adding this for documentation purposes." CreationDate="2011-09-30T19:22:10.807" UserId="81366" />
  <row Id="3683" PostId="2135" Score="0" Text="Used the work around to accept.  Doesn't allow me to toggle back off until I use the work around again." CreationDate="2011-09-30T19:24:45.887" UserId="81366" />
  <row Id="3686" PostId="2135" Score="0" Text="@hydroparadise take a look at this http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1866/stackexchange-link-error It sounds like you might be having something similar to that. Try waiting a while for the page to finish loading and see if that helps." CreationDate="2011-10-01T13:22:41.660" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3636" PostId="2136" Score="0" Text="Huh, missed that one the first time around." CreationDate="2011-09-27T21:45:39.137" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3638" PostId="2136" Score="0" Text="I added an answer since it was missing that particular information." CreationDate="2011-09-28T04:40:36.513" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3637" PostId="2137" Score="1" Text="*On a side note* it seems a good chunk of this &quot;problem&quot; is related to the isolated-island approach SE has been taking with sites, especially given the generally hierarchical nature of many of those sites' topics. I'd argue that modern data organization techniques would be more natural and intuitive." CreationDate="2011-09-27T23:55:12.360" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3640" PostId="2138" Score="7" Text="Is meta really an appropriate place for this question?" CreationDate="2011-09-28T07:16:41.397" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="3641" PostId="2138" Score="1" Text="This shouldn't be in meta. And it shouldn't really be closed. I asked a perfectly legit question about the OEM of HP SAS SSDs (Pliant). See: http://serverfault.com/questions/307433/who-manufactures-the-enterprise-sas-ssd-drives-sold-by-hp" CreationDate="2011-09-28T11:41:35.593" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="3646" PostId="2138" Score="1" Text="This should be sent back to main and reopened." CreationDate="2011-09-29T01:35:08.583" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3672" PostId="2138" Score="0" Text="Was this question migrated to meta through votes or by a mod? If it was votes perhaps those responsible should be directed to the FAQ of both SF and MSF. If it was a mod can you please send it back and reopen it." CreationDate="2011-09-30T01:02:56.793" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3642" PostId="2140" Score="0" Text="This has happened more than once before.  Is there anything I can do to gather information when this problem happens again?" CreationDate="2011-09-28T14:01:03.513" UserId="81366" />
  <row Id="3644" PostId="2140" Score="1" Text="@hydroparadise find out what steps it takes to reliably reproduce the issue." CreationDate="2011-09-28T18:12:49.023" UserId="27920" />
  <row Id="3684" PostId="2140" Score="0" Text="Ok, so it happens in FireFox 7, IE8 and IE9.  However, I have been able to reproduce the problem reliably.  If I disable my network apapter before accepting an answer, that will most certain recreate the behavior.  The only thing that has remained constant in this whole thing is the network from which I am corresponing from with a well guarded firewall." CreationDate="2011-09-30T20:24:35.877" UserId="81366" />
  <row Id="3685" PostId="2140" Score="1" Text="@hydro if you disable your network adapter, all bets are off. That's not a repro, that's &quot;when I crash my car into a wall, it is damaged.&quot;" CreationDate="2011-10-01T03:21:54.380" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3701" PostId="2140" Score="0" Text="Thats what I was getting at.  The button depends on sending and receiving packets to work.  In a since, I was blaming my network firewall, not SF.  Thanks for taking the time." CreationDate="2011-10-03T14:46:26.730" UserId="81366" />
  <row Id="3645" PostId="2141" Score="0" Text="Half of the bounty amount will be awarded to a question if it has two upvotes, to award at least part of the bounty to (theoretically) good answers - if it doesn't answer the question, hopefully it doesn't get upvotes.  Without this in place, there's less incentive to answer bounty questions, as there would be a chance that an accurate answer would get none of the bounty due to abandonment.  Case in point is [my answer to the question at issue](http://serverfault.com/q/180085) - you'll see that it only got +25 of the original 50 point bounty." CreationDate="2011-09-29T00:45:33.510" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="3673" PostId="2143" Score="7" Text="Yes, ask better questions. The effort you get out of people responding correlates to the effort you put into asking the question." CreationDate="2011-09-30T02:11:42.630" UserId="2101" />
  <row Id="3678" PostId="2143" Score="2" Text="can you provide specific examples? It's difficult to talk about this in the abstract." CreationDate="2011-09-30T03:32:10.290" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3688" PostId="2143" Score="0" Text="@Jeff Atwood: Here's one example: IMO the asker wrote a fairly poorly worded but reasonable question: [How do I configure Sendmail to relay email?](http://serverfault.com/questions/316819/setting-sendmail-to-send-mail-for-another-server) He didn't word the question that way, but if he had known enough to, he probably could have [found the answer without SF](http://www.google.com/search?q=How+do+I+configure+Sendmail+to+relay+email)" CreationDate="2011-10-02T02:16:39.263" UserId="93890" />
  <row Id="3693" PostId="2143" Score="0" Text="@fuscata that question lacks almost all detail.." CreationDate="2011-10-02T14:22:14.910" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3695" PostId="2143" Score="0" Text="I originally omitted examples to avoid arguing over specifics. My goal was to get a sense of how the established members of SF felt about down voting new members, and I feel that's been achieved. Thanks to all who responded." CreationDate="2011-10-02T17:01:53.903" UserId="93890" />
  <row Id="4000" PostId="2143" Score="0" Text="Yes you are right fuscata. in two days I asked two questions about my server. I got -4 down voting for http://serverfault.com/questions/335930/windows-server-2003-is-unreachable-after-installing-updates and -7 downvoting for http://serverfault.com/questions/335446/exchange-server-5-5-stops-responding. This is not the first time. it happens all the time on server faults. you are not encourage to ask subjective or conceptual question. they like us to ask question like what is the outcome of 2+2=? this is totally discouraging for those people who don't know what is the problem and where to lookat" CreationDate="2011-11-30T12:54:24.647" UserId="57221" />
  <row Id="3675" PostId="2144" Score="0" Text="A good point. Thanks for the answer." CreationDate="2011-09-30T02:33:17.560" UserId="93890" />
  <row Id="3674" PostId="2145" Score="1" Text="&quot;Try to participate, get slapped, never come back again.&quot; That's what I'm talking about. Maybe a &quot;This is a new user, be gentle&quot; kind of message would help? Anyway, thanks for the very thoughtful answer. Back to answering &amp; upvoting... :-)" CreationDate="2011-09-30T02:32:42.067" UserId="93890" />
  <row Id="3679" PostId="2145" Score="0" Text="@fuscata yet again, this is impossible to talk about when using the imaginary question we're discussing in my head. Specific examples please?" CreationDate="2011-09-30T03:33:12.130" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3680" PostId="2145" Score="4" Text="There is a &quot;Please leave a comment&quot; flashcard that shows up when you do a downvote. People really need to start leaving comments, because I see the same, a whole bunch of -1's without a single person explaining why" CreationDate="2011-09-30T03:59:06.503" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3681" PostId="2145" Score="1" Text="The trouble as I see it is that it's *easy* to downvote, but it takes actual effort (although it's minor) to leave a comment. I've hated drive-by downvoters who won't take two minutes to say something about why they do it. On the other hand if you require comments or some mechanism of explanation, you'll have less chance of people burying questions that should be buried." CreationDate="2011-09-30T12:14:36.547" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="3691" PostId="2145" Score="0" Text="@Mark Henderson: I did notice that since posting this question (obviously not doing a lot of down voting myself) and I agree that's very helpful. Thanks for pointing it out." CreationDate="2011-10-02T02:21:40.053" UserId="93890" />
  <row Id="3676" PostId="2146" Score="0" Text="&quot;or logically disagree&quot; is just a polite way of saying start an argument." CreationDate="2011-09-30T02:45:06.520" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3677" PostId="2146" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers We will... *puts on sunglasses*... disagree. =)" CreationDate="2011-09-30T02:51:19.707" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3687" PostId="2148" Score="0" Text="Ok, good example. What does a down vote on that question do to help SF? IMO the asker could be a valuable member of the community, but a down vote right off the bat says, &quot;You're not one of us, go away.&quot; Is that good for SF?" CreationDate="2011-10-02T02:01:30.907" UserId="93890" />
  <row Id="3689" PostId="2148" Score="4" Text="The downvote iss meant to say that his question as stated sucks. Nothing more nothing less. And it's too bad that it is interpreted personally because it's obviously not meant that way. But sometimes &quot;You're not one of us, go away&quot; *is* the correct [response](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/973/sick-of-unprofessional-questions). How does it help the community? By encouraging the poster to fix his question and receive the un-downvote or by communally downvoting it into oblivion. SF has to break some eggs to make an omelet here, lest this turns into a fancy version of Yahoo answers." CreationDate="2011-10-02T02:16:55.987" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="3690" PostId="2148" Score="0" Text="+1 excellent point" CreationDate="2011-10-02T02:19:58.137" UserId="93890" />
  <row Id="3692" PostId="2148" Score="0" Text="[Here's](http://serverfault.com/questions/317590/what-could-cause-a-connection-issue-at-exactly-every-10-minutes) example of exactly what I'm talking about. Effort put into trying to salvage or answer a question of dubious quality is almost always wasted." CreationDate="2011-10-02T02:47:09.333" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="3694" PostId="2148" Score="1" Text="@kce That D-DWRT example is, IMHO, off topic. Consumer grade network gear with unsupported, 3rd-party, firwmare issues is the stuff of SuperUser, not ServerFault." CreationDate="2011-10-02T14:29:55.030" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="3696" PostId="2148" Score="0" Text="@jscott, I'd also add that there is nothing in that question that even hints at it being anything other than a personal network." CreationDate="2011-10-03T07:31:21.830" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3703" PostId="2148" Score="0" Text="Why the close instead of the migrate? (I'm never going to get the hang of this)." CreationDate="2011-10-03T17:19:58.067" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="3704" PostId="2148" Score="0" Text="@kce It takes 5 votes (sans Mod input) to close/migrate a question. The 3/5 majority of the vote determines the action type (close/migrate) and reason.  The DD-WRT question should have been migrated, but at least 3/5 votes selected &quot;OT&quot; without a migration path. Possibly just an oversight, it happens some times." CreationDate="2011-10-03T22:46:58.353" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="3725" PostId="2148" Score="1" Text="@kce, sometimes questions are closed rather than migrated because those doing the voting don't believe the question is a good fit for the sites we can vote to migrate them to. I'm sure you will have noticed the kind of crap that gets migrated from SO to SF. We try to avoid inflicting the same on SU." CreationDate="2011-10-05T23:11:04.377" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3698" PostId="2150" Score="0" Text="isn't that counter-intuitive?" CreationDate="2011-10-03T12:57:47.647" UserId="55730" />
  <row Id="3699" PostId="2150" Score="2" Text="At least they aren't from Stack Overflow." CreationDate="2011-10-03T13:01:15.380" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3700" PostId="2150" Score="2" Text="I would imagine the default FAQ's are produced automatically on creating a site, it would be a bit of a pain to add a unique image for each site. Particularly for sites that change design when they get out of beta." CreationDate="2011-10-03T13:34:51.647" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3702" PostId="2150" Score="0" Text="Yes, exactly.  Maintaining individual faq images for each site would be a bit of a nightmare.  Sketchy is pretty simple and since all sites start with it, possibly easily recognizable.  We used the bicycles site as any content that makes it into the images is going to be safe and understandable to most people." CreationDate="2011-10-03T16:47:06.517" UserId="21550" />
  <row Id="3705" PostId="2150" Score="0" Text="&quot;understandable to most people&quot; is the key. It seems to be working too, otherwise this would have been raised previously." CreationDate="2011-10-04T10:09:13.373" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3708" PostId="2151" Score="0" Text="Should the same be implemented for upvotes? Should we be required to explain just what we thought was so great about the question or answer? If not, why not? Why is there this need to explain voting in one direction but not the other? It's bad enough that we can't downvote comments." CreationDate="2011-10-05T10:37:23.117" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3730" PostId="2153" Score="1" Text="confirmed, rendering is broken in IE8. We'll have to get a workaround in place." CreationDate="2011-10-06T01:51:22.010" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3777" PostId="2154" Score="0" Text="It was IE8 but this has been confirmed as a problem with IE8. It was fixed over in the SharePoint site so maybe it's fixed here too." CreationDate="2011-10-13T17:56:42.137" UserId="6708" />
  <row Id="3712" PostId="2156" Score="3" Text="You can smell bugs?" CreationDate="2011-10-05T18:01:34.863" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3724" PostId="2156" Score="3" Text="@MarkM, don't you have &quot;stink beetles&quot; in your part of the world? You can smell them from a fair way off." CreationDate="2011-10-05T21:48:50.907" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3729" PostId="2156" Score="2" Text="@MarkM And those &quot;flying ants&quot;... Almost a sweet, floral, or citrus smell. Right at the start of each autumn around here." CreationDate="2011-10-06T00:49:39.910" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="3734" PostId="2156" Score="0" Text="I was more referring to the fine scent of a June Bug hitting the wires on a bug zapper.  Smells like bacon!" CreationDate="2011-10-06T14:40:29.853" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3778" PostId="2156" Score="0" Text="Browser quirk I would say more than a bug. It's easy to say in hindsight they got IE8 wrong but that's hindsight for you!" CreationDate="2011-10-13T17:59:17.360" UserId="6708" />
  <row Id="3779" PostId="2156" Score="0" Text="@RobNicholson - actually per the accepted answer the got IE8 (too) correct, so it was a bug with the SE codebase.  It's easy to point at IE and say it's broken though, as it has a long history of . . . how do I say this politely . . . sucking so hard it blows ;)" CreationDate="2011-10-13T18:28:25.603" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3715" PostId="2157" Score="1" Text="I don't see any closed Questions on your account. I see two migrated now, but none that were closed. Am I missing something?" CreationDate="2011-10-05T18:24:32.637" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3720" PostId="2157" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the replies about rogue tags that you must delete all the time (apparently created by rogue users who have abused their tag-creation privileges). But some of the distortions of my question were ridiculous and patronizing. My question about troubleshooting a VM, while novice, what hardly of the &quot;I spilled coke on my machine&quot; variety! I am trying to configure a machine at work for which I am responsible. I must administer it and support it, and I'm paid for doing so, even though it's not my primary responsibility, which is software development." CreationDate="2011-10-05T18:46:31.200" UserId="85987" />
  <row Id="3721" PostId="2157" Score="0" Text="Tim: How many machines are you responsible for? Another way to describe it is that ServerFault is for managing software while superuser is for using software, and your VM question sounded more like using the software than managing it." CreationDate="2011-10-05T18:57:24.277" UserId="7645" />
  <row Id="3723" PostId="2157" Score="15" Text="@Tim: I really don't understand anyone complaining about migrated questions. Migration means we send a question to a place we think can help you better. Why do you care from which Stack Exchange site you get help? Also, you have one real question migrated (and this meta question). If you are already tired of this after one migration, I think you are a little bit impatient and come here with the wrong expectations." CreationDate="2011-10-05T19:24:57.443" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="3716" PostId="2160" Score="1" Text="Thats exactly what I was just typing." CreationDate="2011-10-05T18:25:34.167" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3717" PostId="2161" Score="2" Text="The perfect example of this is in the [tag:keyboard] tag.  I pick this example because one of @Tim's questions was tagged with [tag:heyboard]. A question like &quot;I spilled coke on my keyboard! HALP!&quot; is OFF topic.  One like &quot;We're rolling out Dvorak keyboards to everyone - How to I change the keyboard mapping on all my Windows machines?&quot; is ON topic." CreationDate="2011-10-05T18:34:32.673" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3718" PostId="2161" Score="1" Text="We have a [tag:keyboard] tag? Huh..." CreationDate="2011-10-05T18:35:32.950" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3722" PostId="2161" Score="1" Text="Yup. And a heyboard one too as soon as someone else typos it when assigning a tag :)" CreationDate="2011-10-05T19:00:47.783" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3726" PostId="2163" Score="0" Text="I'm assuming you mean from before you dropped your answer on it. I just looked and it shows you last modified it and its on the front page." CreationDate="2011-10-06T00:14:23.343" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3727" PostId="2163" Score="0" Text="I don't see it either. Maybe it's a new feature that removes really low voted questions from the front page, as I see some -5's still there" CreationDate="2011-10-06T00:26:26.803" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3728" PostId="2163" Score="0" Text="It's most definitely gone from the 'active' list, but still shows up in 'Questions'. Weird. Apparently if you pile enough hate on a question it stops being active?" CreationDate="2011-10-06T00:26:42.847" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3740" PostId="2165" Score="1" Text="While I get the same results when going through the same process it still doesn't explain why the post disappeared from the front page, although I suspect there is a downvote threshhold at play." CreationDate="2011-10-06T23:22:27.317" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3741" PostId="2165" Score="0" Text="@John Possibly more than 5 downvotes? We *could* quickly empirically test this if we don't get a response..." CreationDate="2011-10-07T01:10:07.950" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3742" PostId="2165" Score="0" Text="5 might be the magic number. I certainly can't recall seeing a post with more than that many downvotes on the front page. Of course if you want to start a test then go for it." CreationDate="2011-10-07T01:28:48.707" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3745" PostId="2165" Score="0" Text="Turns out 8 is the magic number" CreationDate="2011-10-07T02:25:19.820" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3748" PostId="2165" Score="0" Text="Thanks, now I won't have to think about this all weekend. ;)" CreationDate="2011-10-07T03:08:10.007" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3749" PostId="2165" Score="0" Text="You're welcome. Anything for science!" CreationDate="2011-10-07T03:14:10.197" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3750" PostId="2165" Score="0" Text="Spot the guy who's living up to the stereotype of the anal sys admin!" CreationDate="2011-10-07T03:21:05.317" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="3751" PostId="2165" Score="3" Text="I have no idea what you're talking about, sir." CreationDate="2011-10-07T03:26:30.473" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3731" PostId="2166" Score="0" Text="can you provide the exact message? Also, please to be enjoying the utter horror at this link: http://serverfault.com/search?q=title%3Ahelp" CreationDate="2011-10-06T05:42:47.017" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3737" PostId="2166" Score="0" Text="Problem also appears to be on the banned in a subject list." CreationDate="2011-10-06T17:41:36.887" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3738" PostId="2166" Score="0" Text="Maybe block them only when they are the first or last word of a title?  &quot;Problem with X&quot; or &quot;Not working, Help!&quot; seem to be the major offenders." CreationDate="2011-10-06T19:27:14.833" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="3739" PostId="2166" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden I had considered the possibility of barring it from being the first word. Look at the search for questions with `help` in the title. Most of the worst offenders are first or last word usage." CreationDate="2011-10-06T19:54:26.937" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3744" PostId="2166" Score="1" Text="@WesleyDavid &quot;Help center won't launch - 'error frobbing the sprockets'&quot; (to give a devil's advocate counterpoint where &quot;Help&quot; as the first word might be valid)" CreationDate="2011-10-07T02:18:49.907" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3753" PostId="2166" Score="0" Text="Perhaps a compromise...if you use a &quot;banned word&quot; and it could be part of an error message instead of a &quot;HELP ME WITH THIS PROBLEM!?&quot; it could be flagged for community attention to reword or allow?" CreationDate="2011-10-07T10:51:20.283" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="3733" PostId="2167" Score="7" Text="Agreed; though a good compromise might be to allow 1K+ Rep Users to bypass the blacklist." CreationDate="2011-10-06T13:24:55.443" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3736" PostId="2167" Score="3" Text="One of my main concern is for search engine results (the other being fighting human nature with spitwads). I know that, for my own blog, when I put exact error messages in the title of blog posts I can come close to beating a vendor's own KB / help files in search engine results. Without exact messages, your SERP ranking is significantly lowered. Then again, perhaps the number of error messages that include blacklisted words is low enough to not matter. Again, *shrug*." CreationDate="2011-10-06T17:27:18.560" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3743" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="My rationale for 1500 rep is that it's pretty easy for an active user to hit 1000 in a short time.  I think anywhere between 1500 and 5k makes sense but to put a softer/more meaningful threshold on it, you should need to be above say the 20th percentile rep-wise" CreationDate="2011-10-07T02:15:21.673" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3746" PostId="2168" Score="4" Text="It's about time that people finally realized that, yes, it ***IS*** all about us." CreationDate="2011-10-07T02:43:41.717" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="3747" PostId="2168" Score="1" Text="@WesleyDavid when designing a system always plan for the lowest common denominator. And judging by the Star Wall over in The Comms Room…" CreationDate="2011-10-07T03:04:23.203" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3752" PostId="2168" Score="1" Text="Don't knock our star wall..." CreationDate="2011-10-07T10:48:53.280" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="3754" PostId="2168" Score="1" Text="Mister @BartSilverstrim - Tear. Down. This. (Star.) Wall." CreationDate="2011-10-07T14:35:35.673" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3755" PostId="2169" Score="0" Text="Hrm. Well my screenshots show it hanging on the front page at -7 though... It doesn't disappear until -8. Unless its a caching thing." CreationDate="2011-10-08T11:39:24.487" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3756" PostId="2169" Score="0" Text="it is -8 for metas and -4 for main sites." CreationDate="2011-10-08T11:43:56.607" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="3757" PostId="2169" Score="0" Text="Ok but the upvotes and comments on this question suggest that I'm not the only one who never noticed it before. :)" CreationDate="2011-10-08T21:25:04.167" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3761" PostId="2173" Score="1" Text="Thanks for asking.  God, I wish less crap would fly around in the migration tubes...  It was a valiant effort.  http://serverfault.com/questions/320285/how-can-i-test-a-cluster-of-cpus" CreationDate="2011-10-10T21:19:14.517" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="3758" PostId="2174" Score="0" Text="OK - I'll just close as off topic and say he should repost with a **lot** more information." CreationDate="2011-10-10T20:27:48.117" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="3759" PostId="2174" Score="1" Text="Just to re-inforce, we'd probably end up closing it here as NARQ" CreationDate="2011-10-10T20:31:35.400" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3762" PostId="2174" Score="1" Text="...and, he [re-posted verbatim](http://serverfault.com/questions/320285/how-can-i-test-a-cluster-of-cpus)." CreationDate="2011-10-10T21:20:25.610" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="3760" PostId="2175" Score="0" Text="My first thought was to simply close it, but there was a comment and a flag so I decided to double check." CreationDate="2011-10-10T20:47:31.010" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="3763" PostId="2175" Score="0" Text="http://serverfault.com/questions/320285/how-can-i-test-a-cluster-of-cpus" CreationDate="2011-10-10T21:21:58.807" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="3764" PostId="2175" Score="0" Text="That link pretty much says it all." CreationDate="2011-10-10T22:09:22.650" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3765" PostId="2177" Score="0" Text="Link to some examples of your questions and we'll give you tips." CreationDate="2011-10-12T16:45:50.033" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3769" PostId="2177" Score="7" Text="I will say this - it might sound like a dig but it isn't intended as one - if one reader misunderstands a question or answer then its probably that one reader who's at fault. If several misunderstand then its probably the writer." CreationDate="2011-10-12T20:15:22.633" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3766" PostId="2178" Score="0" Text="Thanks... I think part of the problem is that I've been listing my actions thus far at the end of my questions... it may be better for me to try to front load that information.  T" CreationDate="2011-10-12T16:54:56.197" UserId="26294" />
  <row Id="3767" PostId="2178" Score="1" Text="Not sure if you saw my edits, but I have suggested a different version of your group policy question.  If it is correct, and you think it is better, you might want to update your question on the site." CreationDate="2011-10-12T17:04:51.403" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3768" PostId="2178" Score="0" Text="+1 The most frequent problem I see (haven't read newmanth's posts) is Questioners with Verbal Diarrhea. You're not writing a novel. Stick to the concise facts (and make sure they're there): What is broke, what is it [not] doing, expected resolution. Feelings, pleadings, salutations, closings/signatures, or thanks should not be a part of it." CreationDate="2011-10-12T18:44:07.997" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3770" PostId="2178" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the example (and advice)!  I am not too proud to admit that I'm the common factor when it comes to poor answers :P  I really appreciate the help." CreationDate="2011-10-12T20:29:56.197" UserId="26294" />
  <row Id="3771" PostId="2178" Score="0" Text="In addition to what Zoredache has said, I would also suggest reading through a tech writing book, it is a completely different style of writing. This is the book I have in my library: http://www.amazon.com/Technical-Writing-Principles-Strategies-Readings/dp/0205721508/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1318455883&amp;sr=8-4" CreationDate="2011-10-12T21:46:24.613" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="3772" PostId="2179" Score="0" Text="I was thinking the same thing about my answer while I wrote it.  I almost thought about breaking that up into three separate answers. I would have broken it up into the first list describing some of the major problems, the next would be the the lists of all the URLs where to read more, and the finally, my example re-writing of one of h is questions.  I wish there was some kind of section break unique to use inside a question/answer other then the horizontal line.  The horizontal line is used both between questions, and between comments." CreationDate="2011-10-12T23:29:16.360" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3773" PostId="2179" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache, one of the problems I see is that if we get too much formatting power the site may well lose some of it's basic Q&amp;A functionality. It's all a bit of a balancing act and I think that the current format is working pretty well for all but a very few posts. I'd personally like to see a forum added where lengthy conversations can be taken. I know we have chat but that's really not suitable for extended discussions across different time zones." CreationDate="2011-10-13T00:13:01.473" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3774" PostId="2180" Score="4" Text="Re: direct communication, note that most people approving/rejecting edits aren't diamond mods - they're high-rep users who have spare time to look at an edit and decide yay or nay. Most of us don't have time to get into an extended back-and-forth on the &quot;why&quot;, beyond the one-line reasons the system provides for us :-)" CreationDate="2011-10-13T16:54:40.473" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3776" PostId="2180" Score="0" Text="Really. I rarely go into suggested-edits. I have enough work keeping up with flags as it is, so leave suggested-edits to our high-rep users." CreationDate="2011-10-13T16:58:47.423" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3780" PostId="2180" Score="0" Text="As I said elsewhere, if you and the mods have no time to do a decent job with the edit queue, THAN remove the edit queue. Don't make false promises that you can't keep, or do a quality job with." CreationDate="2011-10-13T20:47:53.757" UserId="74272" />
  <row Id="3785" PostId="2180" Score="3" Text="I'm afraid this isn't a battle you're going to win: ServerFault and the SE sites are a walled garden, and the community/mods are zealous guardians.  We can and will show you the path, but if you ignore the path and insist on trampling the flowers you won't be well received.  (analogy quota for the day: Met.)" CreationDate="2011-10-13T21:07:31.067" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3786" PostId="2180" Score="0" Text="Exactly, which is why I've said, there is no way I will ever choose &quot;Improve an answer&quot; again.  What are the rational reasons why anyone should choose this answer, given the likely conduct of the moderators, and the walled off nature of SE and the likely beatdown it exposes a newbie to?  As an example, see how much this question itself has been downvoted...  Instead of improving an answer, I will always choose make my own answer, regardless of how that diminishes the effectiveness of the site to the end users." CreationDate="2011-10-13T21:13:23.857" UserId="74272" />
  <row Id="3789" PostId="2180" Score="8" Text="If your answer is good how can it diminish the effectiveness of the site ? Sure it stings a bit when an edit is rejected or a flag is dismissed but really, just learn from it, live with it and move on. The down votes here are because people disagree with your position, nothing more." CreationDate="2011-10-13T21:24:05.290" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3791" PostId="2180" Score="2" Text="@Jerry votes on meta are different than on main. All votes are free and don't subtract rep. It's meant purely as &quot;agree&quot; or &quot;disagree&quot; since meta is for deciding site policies and discussing issues. It's not personal here (and it isn't on main either)." CreationDate="2011-10-14T01:26:52.480" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3775" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="+1 &quot;and not really add a whole lot of extra information&quot; = &quot;This edit changes too much in the original post&quot; (the reason given by Sam)" CreationDate="2011-10-13T16:58:42.417" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3781" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="I didn't make this an answer of my own, because the basic answer, use ssh was right there. INSTEAD, since serverfault INVITED AND ASKED ME to improve the answer, I chose to improve the answer. Perhaps Sam, instead of his blind rejection, could have taken that and turned it into a comment. This is one way of many that serverfault/stackexchange are downright rude and hostile to newcomers and inexperienced users" CreationDate="2011-10-13T20:49:16.610" UserId="74272" />
  <row Id="3787" PostId="2181" Score="2" Text="@Jerry - enforcing the community standards isn't hostility: It's the way we keep StackExchange sites from turning into ExpertsExchange, Ubuntu Forums, or ($_DEITY forbid) Usenet.  Many of us have come here and explained why we *also* would have rejected the edit - the community seems to have reached a consensus backed by multiple reasons.  I'm sorry if you feel having an edit rejected is &quot;hostile&quot;, but I submit that you might be just a *tad* oversensitive about it. My advice: Read, Understand, and decide if this is a community you want to continue to participate in." CreationDate="2011-10-13T21:15:49.297" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3788" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="Thank you, &quot;My advice: Read, Understand, and decide if this is a community you want to continue to participate in.&quot; is a very long about way of saying foad / don't like it hit the road.  And you wonder why people might think you're hostile to newbies." CreationDate="2011-10-13T21:18:07.140" UserId="74272" />
  <row Id="3790" PostId="2181" Score="7" Text="@Jerry, you're the one bringing the hostile attitude. I appreciate that you started by trying to help; but it's nothing more than disruptive now. We don't need that here." CreationDate="2011-10-13T21:42:41.923" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3797" PostId="2181" Score="0" Text="@Jerry when rejecting an edit, we do not have the option to turn it into a comment, or another answer, we have a yes or no button. If I had manually added a comment it would have been under my name, which is not what you want. If you want to go and add a comment to that answer, please do." CreationDate="2011-10-14T09:48:24.850" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3783" PostId="2182" Score="0" Text="I think you're asking for a subtlety here that is beyond the system or most users.  Serverfault SPECIFICALLY asked me to &quot;improve the answer&quot; and &quot;add a comment.&quot; I chose &quot;improve the answer&quot;. Sam and Serverfault said &quot;FU&quot;. Now you tell me it's clear that I should have chosen &quot;add a comment.&quot;" CreationDate="2011-10-13T20:56:45.007" UserId="74272" />
  <row Id="3784" PostId="2182" Score="6" Text="I believe you're reading what you want to read, and will not allow yourself to be shown otherwise. Sorry to be blunt, but the community seems to disagree with how you interpret the edit functionality versus the comment functionality. When 10000 people say &quot;A&quot; and one guy says &quot;B&quot; it's *very* rare that the guy saying B is correct." CreationDate="2011-10-13T21:01:57.840" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3782" PostId="2183" Score="0" Text="I disagree that it adds no more to the answer. Setup an ssh server sounds pretty daunting to many people. Is it simple? Is it difficult? What are the benefits? IN THIS CONTEXT, what are the benefits over the TELNET solution also offered? Telling someone how to secure and automate their solution further does not seem to be a opinion answer." CreationDate="2011-10-13T20:52:40.020" UserId="74272" />
  <row Id="3792" PostId="2183" Score="0" Text="Gedanken Experiment to all those agreeing my edit was of not much value. If you had seen side by side the original two lines saying &quot;use cygwin ssh&quot; or my expanded answer saying &quot;use cygwin ssh&quot; and also detailing the various benefits and advising how to secure and automate the solution, which answer would you have voted for? As I've been saying the entire time, if you don't actually want people to improve the answer, you should remove that as an option. Just let people add comments." CreationDate="2011-10-14T03:56:33.787" UserId="74272" />
  <row Id="3794" PostId="2183" Score="1" Text="There's a tipping point between improving someone's answer and essentially writing one of your own, @Jerry, and I'm inclined to agree with Sam, you crossed that point. Your answer is much more comprehensive than the one you edited though, I would probably have turned that into an answer of your own if I were in your place." CreationDate="2011-10-14T07:17:46.290" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3796" PostId="2183" Score="1" Text="@Jerry Your answer does not add anything to the question &quot;Is it possible to run a command on windows server from Linux?&quot;, your answer is a comment on the benefits of using Cygwin and SSH over other options. This should, therefore be a comment." CreationDate="2011-10-14T09:46:51.747" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3819" PostId="2185" Score="0" Text="Or, sometimes, chat." CreationDate="2011-10-19T21:05:06.740" UserId="98392" />
  <row Id="3793" PostId="2186" Score="0" Text="I'm sorry, I must be at a different stack exchange site, because the one I go to, says explicitly, do not make minor changes." CreationDate="2011-10-14T03:58:00.087" UserId="74272" />
  <row Id="3795" PostId="2186" Score="2" Text="If you can't see the middle ground between &quot;minor changes&quot; and the whole new answer you essentially produced in your edit then its hard to know what to say." CreationDate="2011-10-14T07:20:41.183" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3798" PostId="2187" Score="0" Text="I don't see that answer... maybe it's only available to 10k?" CreationDate="2011-10-14T18:32:57.890" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="3799" PostId="2187" Score="1" Text="Feel free to flag those as Offensive. The -100 rep ding for an offensive-deleted answer should act as an incentive against using such links." CreationDate="2011-10-14T18:33:57.997" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3806" PostId="2188" Score="0" Text="This has nothing to do with that. The reason is simply that `lmgtfy` is not blocked on Server Fault." CreationDate="2011-10-18T08:54:01.017" UserId="14041" />
  <row Id="3803" PostId="2189" Score="0" Text="We don't like version tags unelss they're critical to the process (so, apache-1 and apache-2 are different, but apache-2 and apache-2.1 are synonymed). How much difference is there between v1 and v2?" CreationDate="2011-10-17T23:28:26.197" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3804" PostId="2189" Score="0" Text="@Mark Not too much. V1 was the version included on Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 and v2 is the version included on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 32. But in general the scripts are the same.&#xA;&#xA;I think we shouldn't specify the version of Powershell in a tag. Or if we are doing to do that change the name of Powershell to Powershell-v2 to be clear." CreationDate="2011-10-17T23:31:20.183" UserId="92607" />
  <row Id="3807" PostId="2190" Score="0" Text="Well, then we should reaname the &quot;powershell&quot; tag to &quot;powershell-v1.0&quot;" CreationDate="2011-10-18T11:23:23.180" UserId="92607" />
  <row Id="3808" PostId="2192" Score="0" Text="The &quot;big problem&quot; with old Questions is that the circumstances of the situation are commonly unclear and the Questioner is highly unlikely to respond to calls for clarification. Also it's quite common that the problem no longer exists for wholly unrelated reasons (no longer using the system, no longer a requirement, etc)." CreationDate="2011-10-18T15:03:35.977" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3809" PostId="2192" Score="5" Text="using that logic, why bother keeping them around?  if you're going to negate the older questions (for whatever reason - unclear, no longer exists, deprecation, etc.) why bother at all?  Personally, I find that a bit defeatist." CreationDate="2011-10-18T15:12:24.600" UserId="88241" />
  <row Id="3810" PostId="2192" Score="0" Text="I'd be interested to see how many people support this idea but at this stage I seriously doubt there will be enough to warrant the coding changes that would be required. This question also probably belongs more on MSO but we all know what happens to our questions over there." CreationDate="2011-10-18T20:47:00.383" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3811" PostId="2192" Score="0" Text="@Ben, I tend to agree that there is probably no need to keep those old questions around but what criteria should be used to cull them without causing undue collateral damage?" CreationDate="2011-10-18T20:48:22.190" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3812" PostId="2192" Score="0" Text="I would pick a time frame... something in the rules for posting questions that is clearly defined.  I would think that 3 solid months of no answers, comments or additional information provided means they really don't care about getting the question answered.  I don't know of many technical issues pressing enough to post on here that I could wait 3 months to figure out.  Why 3 months?  I think one month is too short and I think 6 months is too long due to my experience working in IT and how quickly the rules change.  What do you think?  (thanks for your comment by the way.)" CreationDate="2011-10-18T21:11:16.047" UserId="88241" />
  <row Id="3813" PostId="2192" Score="0" Text="@Ben, it's not overly unusual for questions to get answered 6 months after being posted. Not all issues are urgent. Some are more in the &quot;I would like&quot; rather than the &quot;I need&quot; category. I have some questions that have had no activity for longer than that which are still waiting for a solution. Admittedly they do have some answers and/or comments but even if they didn't, the question is as valid today as when I posted it." CreationDate="2011-10-19T00:05:33.193" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3814" PostId="2192" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers: Questions are already being deleted. See: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1210/cleaning-house-really-old-unloved-questions/1214#1214" CreationDate="2011-10-19T11:04:33.100" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="3815" PostId="2192" Score="0" Text="&quot;it's not overly unusual for questions to get answered 6 months after being posted&quot; - this is exactly what i was originally addressing with my question/suggestion:  additional methods of finding those unanswered questions more easily.  thanks!" CreationDate="2011-10-19T14:00:06.787" UserId="88241" />
  <row Id="3820" PostId="2192" Score="0" Text="I think there is a more pressing problem. A lot of answered/solved questions are not marked as &quot;Solved&quot;. Example: [Windows 7 joining OS X Server domain](http://serverfault.com/questions/92158/windows-7-joining-os-x-server-domain) The list would be flooded with questions that are unclear and the OP will not revisit or solved questions that aren't marked as such. Isn't there a way we could mark questions as solved?" CreationDate="2011-10-19T11:06:58.853" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="3821" PostId="2195" Score="0" Text="Can there be no questions relating to Apache that are not versions specific? What about things like .htaccess?" CreationDate="2011-10-20T20:37:02.870" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3822" PostId="2195" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers - there is a [tag:htaccess] for those questions. Although I now see that the apache tag is empty, so it will be thrown into the lions den in a month I believe." CreationDate="2011-10-20T21:02:13.063" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3823" PostId="2195" Score="3" Text="@MarkHenderson: We've emptied the apache tag at least 3 times now but it keeps getting resurrected, usually by migrations from SO.  Can you (temporarily) synonym it to apache2 please ?" CreationDate="2011-10-20T21:18:11.733" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3824" PostId="2196" Score="0" Text="This doesn't happen to me, I can delete the content of the answer field whenever I want. What browser?" CreationDate="2011-10-21T16:33:02.740" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3825" PostId="2196" Score="1" Text="Also, since this would impact all Se sites, it really belongs on Meta Stack Overflow" CreationDate="2011-10-21T16:33:25.410" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3826" PostId="2196" Score="0" Text="Firefox 7.0.1.  It occurred to me that it might be some sort of browser issue.  Figures!  Sorry for the spam in that case." CreationDate="2011-10-21T16:34:20.667" UserId="88241" />
  <row Id="3827" PostId="2196" Score="0" Text="I can't reproduce this in 7.0.1. Can you list exact steps?" CreationDate="2011-10-21T16:42:28.147" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3828" PostId="2196" Score="0" Text="Not really meaning to be a jerk... I login and click on my post and it prepopulates the answer field with what I had typed(one that i'd previously typed in but didn't click &quot;Post&quot;.)  That's it... in the answer window, i see what I had previously typed, but no cancel link appears.  I can screenshot and email if you like.  I've tried dumping all the cache, cookies - typical stuff.  No joy." CreationDate="2011-10-21T16:47:02.837" UserId="88241" />
  <row Id="3829" PostId="2196" Score="0" Text="Hm. And you can't delete the text from the answer field?" CreationDate="2011-10-21T16:48:01.887" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3830" PostId="2196" Score="0" Text="Oh I can.  It just reappears when i reload the page." CreationDate="2011-10-21T16:48:49.377" UserId="88241" />
  <row Id="3831" PostId="2196" Score="0" Text="I'll test it with this post and see if it happens again... and I'm trying... and no, it doesn't appear to be happening on this page." CreationDate="2011-10-21T16:51:52.233" UserId="88241" />
  <row Id="3835" PostId="2196" Score="0" Text="I must say I am *most thankful* that there is no `Cancel` button... it is one of those things you tend to press accidentally *much* more often than when you need it. Especially since Iain's answer below points out that you only need to start another answer somewhere else for your autosave to get deleted..." CreationDate="2011-10-21T17:18:24.940" UserId="75214" />
  <row Id="3832" PostId="2197" Score="0" Text="and it doesn't have a cancel feature?" CreationDate="2011-10-21T17:07:17.903" UserId="88241" />
  <row Id="3833" PostId="2197" Score="0" Text="Not that I'm aware of it just fades away..." CreationDate="2011-10-21T17:09:17.910" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3834" PostId="2197" Score="0" Text="Thank you.  It might be worthwhile to mention this in the FAQ section.  Someone else has to have wondered what was going on." CreationDate="2011-10-21T17:10:47.773" UserId="88241" />
  <row Id="3836" PostId="2197" Score="3" Text="... so if you really want to get rid of your draft directly, you can replace it by `.` and wait for the next autosave to kick in (notice the `draft saved` message below the edit box) ;-)" CreationDate="2011-10-21T17:21:45.947" UserId="75214" />
  <row Id="3838" PostId="2201" Score="0" Text="I agree that it's off topic.  In the same way that licensing questions are too localized, and we have a canonical question to dupe-close them, I think it's worthwhile to have a canonical for dupe-closing the weekly &quot;I caught this user doing X&quot; question.  That question has turned into a big, messy debate, though - a re-phrasing of the question and cleaning up a lot of the mess may be in order - cutting out a lot of the opinion based &quot;your AUP should contain X&quot; and leaving the &quot;canonical&quot; aspect of simply: &quot;This is an issue for HR, and by extension, your org's AUP.&quot;" CreationDate="2011-10-22T23:15:10.627" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4001" PostId="2204" Score="0" Text="what is wrong with this question. why this question is downvote +1 from my side." CreationDate="2011-11-30T12:58:50.300" UserId="57221" />
  <row Id="3839" PostId="2205" Score="0" Text="1) Only because of this I've received 2 down votes. 2) I've read FAQ's and haven't found many differences between thread topics" CreationDate="2011-10-23T21:04:22.023" UserId="81506" />
  <row Id="3840" PostId="2205" Score="0" Text="But I've stopped to post here couple months ago. and only because of very little difference." CreationDate="2011-10-23T21:06:26.043" UserId="81506" />
  <row Id="3841" PostId="2205" Score="0" Text="About this particular post: Server Fault is for system administrators and desktop support professionals. Super User is for computer enthusiasts and power users. This is question for system administrators, so - Server Fault." CreationDate="2011-10-23T21:07:55.790" UserId="81506" />
  <row Id="3842" PostId="2205" Score="0" Text="You are cutting your nose off to spite your face. &#xA;1. Don't worry about the rep. &#xA;2. By deleting your question you'll deny yourself an answer wherever it comes from. &#xA;3. Your question does not appear to come from a system administrator/desktop support professional, it feels like you are a developer or a home user." CreationDate="2011-10-23T21:16:51.293" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3843" PostId="2205" Score="0" Text="3. it IS administrator question. and it is only because incompatibility of WinXPx32 and Win7x64. 2. Have you read it? I've asked this question in modified form in 'developer' thread (developer thread is stack overflow, you know it). 1. You'll never open down voted question even it is correct and you possibly know answer." CreationDate="2011-10-23T21:33:57.583" UserId="81506" />
  <row Id="3844" PostId="2206" Score="0" Text="Hmm. We probably need to ask U&amp;L which questions they do/don't want. In the past I've only sent them hardcore U&amp;L questions, like modifying kernel, etc, that don't really relate to sysadmining" CreationDate="2011-10-23T21:46:11.270" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3845" PostId="2206" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson We have some flaggers who really want general Linux questions (even ones very commonly done by sysadmins) going that direction, so yeah. Some cross-talk is probably needed here." CreationDate="2011-10-23T21:53:44.927" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3846" PostId="2207" Score="0" Text="ServerFault and SuperUser are too close if you ask non-trivial question such as installation completely incompatible system (POSIX from Windows)" CreationDate="2011-10-23T21:54:32.497" UserId="81506" />
  <row Id="3851" PostId="2207" Score="0" Text="Read their FAQs, they're not really as close as you think." CreationDate="2011-10-24T14:47:09.200" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3847" PostId="2209" Score="0" Text="What about Debian questions?" CreationDate="2011-10-24T02:35:01.630" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="3848" PostId="2209" Score="0" Text="@Andrew Sure; all Linux distros are fine" CreationDate="2011-10-24T02:54:20.263" UserId="44689" />
  <row Id="3855" PostId="2209" Score="0" Text="Migrating an unanswered question is not crossposting, I assume?" CreationDate="2011-10-24T21:05:24.220" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="3858" PostId="2209" Score="0" Text="@Nils Migrating a question is fine, what matters is that the question is not open on more than one site. This goes even if the question has answers, but unless we have a good feel for the target community, we (SE mods in general) only migrate questions with the explicit agreement of a moderator or user in good standing on the receiving site." CreationDate="2011-10-24T21:17:33.123" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="20537" PostId="2209" Score="0" Text="I came here because I had the question the OP had; about the specific scope of UL and SF, but then this response dives into AU which is completely outside the scope, because I still don't feel like I know the answer to the original question." CreationDate="2016-04-13T16:48:55.360" UserId="255615" />
  <row Id="3856" PostId="2211" Score="0" Text="I think the main difference between UL and SF is that SF has a bigger audience - and has the broader topic." CreationDate="2011-10-24T21:11:26.337" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="3857" PostId="2211" Score="1" Text="@Nils No, that's not it. UL gets more SU-type questions than SF-type questions. SU and SF care who you are (amateur/pro computer user), U&amp;L cares what you do (use unix, whatever for). It's a horizontal/vertical division." CreationDate="2011-10-24T21:15:24.717" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="3849" PostId="2212" Score="0" Text="but any way, why [this](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1018078/testing-html-email-rendering) is on StackOverflow and [this](http://superuser.com/questions/349834/installing-multiple-versions-of-ms-outlook/) is on SuperUser? 2 duplicates." CreationDate="2011-10-24T11:18:10.237" UserId="81506" />
  <row Id="3850" PostId="2212" Score="0" Text="@EirNym They're not duplicates. The first is concerned with testing HTML on different rendering engines. The second is concerned with conflicting installations of MS Office. While the ultimate objective might be the same, the task is not." CreationDate="2011-10-24T14:46:45.097" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3853" PostId="2212" Score="0" Text="Yes, as subject says. but content is referred to same task. (see 1st sentence of second topic)" CreationDate="2011-10-24T15:34:42.617" UserId="81506" />
  <row Id="3854" PostId="2212" Score="0" Text="The fact that the SU question mentions email templates doesn't make it a question about email templates, it's a question about installing multiple versions of Office.  Maybe there's an issue with how English is used vs. Russian, because it's very clear where those two questions should be." CreationDate="2011-10-24T16:32:36.293" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="3859" PostId="2214" Score="0" Text="I don't know if it's still available but I've previously used the Fluke Cable Qualifier, which &quot;only&quot; cost about $900 AUD." CreationDate="2011-10-24T22:42:30.147" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3860" PostId="2214" Score="0" Text="Somewhere between the two extremes (connecting NICs vs. dB loss characteristics) there are also pinout testers, costing about $200 AUD. But the OP's request is still a shopping question." CreationDate="2011-10-25T03:37:25.077" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="3861" PostId="2214" Score="0" Text="@Andrew, is that a typo? My pinout tester only cost about $20 (about 5 years ago)." CreationDate="2011-10-25T06:59:14.323" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3862" PostId="2214" Score="5" Text="@Chirs you just reaffirmed my faith in meta. Answering the question while also calling it OT. Well done." CreationDate="2011-10-25T16:21:40.100" UserId="9332" />
  <row Id="3863" PostId="2214" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers I checked the quote, $177 ex. GST so either the quote was wrong (possibly also included a Fluke tone tester?) or we got ripped off rather badly (though I'm not the one responsible for purchasing/invoices). The same unit seems to be available for ~$60 now." CreationDate="2011-10-25T16:48:47.287" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="3864" PostId="2214" Score="0" Text="@Andrew, that sounds about right if it included the tone tester." CreationDate="2011-10-25T20:50:55.210" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3865" PostId="2214" Score="0" Text="There are some companies that will rent testing equipment.  It still isn't cheap, but it will be less expensive then buying a new device if you only need it to verify things in your building." CreationDate="2011-10-25T22:59:14.450" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3866" PostId="2216" Score="0" Text="I'd like to get a status update on this from someone in Stack Exchange LLC. It's a sustained situation that's not very healthy." CreationDate="2011-10-27T11:41:48.137" UserId="88" />
  <row Id="3867" PostId="2216" Score="2" Text="It's not a sustained situation, it's cyclic. We're in a &quot;ebb&quot; right now, but in the next we months we'll &quot;flow&quot; again. There's no shortage of new users and Questions; it's the quality thereof that seems to change." CreationDate="2011-10-27T12:33:27.957" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3886" PostId="2216" Score="0" Text="I try my best to go through and weed out the &quot;this question will require playing 20 questions with the original poster&quot; questions, as they not of the best use for this site." CreationDate="2011-10-31T22:37:12.617" UserId="89989" />
  <row Id="4004" PostId="2216" Score="0" Text="This pretty much sums up my opinion as well. I will add that as &quot;entry-level&quot; or &quot;intermediate&quot; admin there's not much incentive to answer the &quot;entry-level&quot; questions. No one views them, no one upvotes them (because they aren't interesting) and at least half of the time the OP never returns to either comment or mark an answer. it's really not worth the effort - there's no psychological reward because the community doesn't value the work and neither does the OP (or so it seems)." CreationDate="2011-12-03T09:43:34.480" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="3868" PostId="2218" Score="6" Text="SysAdmins being generally grumpy and/or self-righteous people also makes votes hard to come by." CreationDate="2011-10-27T12:36:48.077" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3869" PostId="2218" Score="2" Text="ahhh yea olde stereotypical grumpy SysAdmin get out clause ... :)" CreationDate="2011-10-27T12:42:40.987" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3870" PostId="2218" Score="0" Text="I vote enough for 5 or 6 other people!  I'm not sure what's so hard for the rest of you..." CreationDate="2011-10-27T18:49:11.087" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="3871" PostId="2218" Score="1" Text="Voting is def. an issue. I attempt to use up all my votes at least once a week, but I find it hard to do because there's not that much stuff worth voting on. Perhaps I'm being rough though. But even with 4k votes, I think I'm the 2nd highest voter on the entire site, and I've still only averaged 4.75 votes/day. Take this question - three votes for every answer, but 0 votes for the question. C'mon... if it's worth answering, it's worth a +1" CreationDate="2011-10-27T19:20:20.597" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3873" PostId="2218" Score="1" Text="@Mark, I disagree with the last bit. Just because a question is worth answering doesn't necessarily mean it's worth voting on. I think we've all answered some pretty ordinary questions." CreationDate="2011-10-27T20:38:49.653" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3880" PostId="2219" Score="0" Text="Oh, dupe: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/40111/the-flag-pop-up-on-heavily-downvoted-answers-has-grey-text  Guess it's not high priority?" CreationDate="2011-10-31T05:19:46.017" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="3885" PostId="2219" Score="0" Text="Can't blame 'em for that." CreationDate="2011-10-31T15:14:33.373" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="3893" PostId="2219" Score="0" Text="Fixed now; see http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/40111/the-flag-pop-up-on-heavily-downvoted-answers-has-grey-text/110817#110817." CreationDate="2011-11-03T11:16:54.083" UserId="14041" />
  <row Id="3887" PostId="2223" Score="0" Text="Either inflation is worse than I thought or you're charging consultant's rates ;)" CreationDate="2011-11-01T00:17:46.220" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="3888" PostId="2223" Score="0" Text="That's not consulting rate. The decimal point is in the wrong spot :-)" CreationDate="2011-11-01T14:56:43.527" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3872" PostId="2225" Score="0" Text="I wasn't proposing to remove outdated answers in general. The purpose of my question is to invite a discussion of what to do with &quot;orphaned&quot; topics that have substantial outdated content but do not allow new content. Of course, information about outdated platforms remains potentially useful long after they such products fall out of common usage." CreationDate="2011-10-27T19:27:52.320" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="3876" PostId="2225" Score="0" Text="my mistake then" CreationDate="2011-10-27T21:44:41.090" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="3874" PostId="2227" Score="0" Text="I thought we got rid of that last one. Just seeing it again took away some of my cheer (and I don't have that much to spare at the best of times)." CreationDate="2011-10-27T20:44:35.420" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3875" PostId="2228" Score="0" Text="Although they only bubble to the surface if they are relatively unloved ( no answers/no upvoted answers etc)." CreationDate="2011-10-27T20:58:33.253" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3877" PostId="2229" Score="0" Text="This is very interesting. Could one infer, then, that you are in favor of removing historical off-topic questions that do not rise to the level of &quot;historical significance&quot;?" CreationDate="2011-10-29T05:12:03.417" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="3878" PostId="2229" Score="0" Text="@MilesErickson The lock prevents further upvoting and commenting, where a close doesn't. The 'historical significance' lock would be for questions that have gotten a lot of answers and still get one or two every few months. I do support closing old, off-topic questions." CreationDate="2011-10-29T11:47:40.993" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3882" PostId="2230" Score="0" Text="Sadly, I think there are two problems with this idea. 1 - Some people are too frightened to go against anything Jeff and co. do or say. 2 - I don't think there aren't enough of us that will do it to get the needed results. Regardless, my vote has already been cast, more than once." CreationDate="2011-10-31T06:49:23.593" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3883" PostId="2232" Score="2" Text="One of the reasons many SO posts get upvoted absurdly is that many of those doing the voting really don't have the level of skill needed to determine whether the post is good or bad and simply follow the crowd." CreationDate="2011-10-31T06:53:32.030" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3890" PostId="2234" Score="0" Text="&quot;errors&quot; seems to be a uniquely useless tag (arguably worse than [tag:apache]) -- In furtherance of this goal I've updated the tag wiki/excerpt to ask people not to use [tag:errors] and instead describe the error message in the body of their question." CreationDate="2011-11-02T23:07:27.347" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3930" PostId="2234" Score="0" Text="Only a handful of questions tagged [errors].  Perhaps retagging those so the tag goes away &quot;voluntarily&quot; would be enough, without blacklisting the tag?" CreationDate="2011-11-11T06:25:03.537" UserId="21550" />
  <row Id="3931" PostId="2234" Score="0" Text="@RebeccaChernoff I think that it's already been manually retagged. It's the kind of tag that people will recreate." CreationDate="2011-11-11T11:30:52.103" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3891" PostId="2236" Score="0" Text="I would up vote this, but you didn't provide a picture. Care to try again?" CreationDate="2011-11-02T23:41:21.953" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3892" PostId="2236" Score="1" Text="Pics or go home!" CreationDate="2011-11-02T23:51:55.747" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="3894" PostId="2236" Score="0" Text="You are right - I apologize for my grievous error" CreationDate="2011-11-03T14:55:49.300" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3907" PostId="2236" Score="2" Text="Up vote status: granted" CreationDate="2011-11-07T03:53:01.700" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3896" PostId="2238" Score="5" Text="What everyone said below is correct. Just to clarify though, the *reason* we don't want LMGTFY-esque answers is because people come here *from* google when searching for the answer. It's a big slap in the face to come here and then get sent back to google. Additionally, we want to become known as *the* place to get your answers from." CreationDate="2011-11-04T22:49:52.863" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3915" PostId="2238" Score="1" Text="Given that your &quot;this&quot; link is already broken, this question is a perfect example of why links should be used extensively for reference and attribution, but should *never* be relied upon to form the core content of a question or answer." CreationDate="2011-11-07T22:58:20.773" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="3918" PostId="2238" Score="0" Text="The link still works for me, but the post has been deleted.  That's fine, because as everyone has said, it wasn't a good post.  Thanks to everyone for the insight and guidance.  I'll do better in the future." CreationDate="2011-11-08T16:27:41.210" UserId="97544" />
  <row Id="3900" PostId="2239" Score="0" Text="&quot;Singe&quot;? &lt;filler&gt;" CreationDate="2011-11-06T00:38:47.617" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3906" PostId="2239" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS a milder form of 'Burn!' perhaps?" CreationDate="2011-11-07T01:47:40.507" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="3908" PostId="2239" Score="0" Text="@Andrew, I wasn't sure if he meant to say Singe; or if he meant to say since (which makes sense in the sentence, where the former does not). Sometimes multiple thoughts make it into the same sentence. I'm not confident enough to edit it one way or the other..." CreationDate="2011-11-07T05:16:31.360" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3910" PostId="2239" Score="0" Text="*looks innocent* Darned fingers. You type for enough of your life and the typos get downright weird sometimes." CreationDate="2011-11-07T12:31:29.137" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3895" PostId="2240" Score="0" Text="In this case, it wasn't a link to Google, but a link to a multi-step process with screen shots.  But I should have added more content, at least a description, I admit." CreationDate="2011-11-04T21:49:39.257" UserId="97544" />
  <row Id="3897" PostId="2242" Score="0" Text="I just know I've seen a request like this somewhere before... here we go: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/36811/question-templates-depending-on-selected-tags aaaannd http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/16843/add-requirements-for-a-tag-maybe-a-template" CreationDate="2011-11-05T20:07:00.483" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3898" PostId="2242" Score="0" Text="you're right, obviously. does this make me wrong in re-asking?" CreationDate="2011-11-05T20:28:00.450" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="3899" PostId="2242" Score="0" Text="btw, those two are in meta.stackoverflow, not meta.serverfault. doesn't matter much, I know, but this would explain why these didn't pop up when I was typing this post in" CreationDate="2011-11-05T20:29:26.423" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="3901" PostId="2242" Score="0" Text="sorry yes I forgot to mention they weren't on this site. No offense intended! I doubt we will get any different answer from the powers that be, but we can wait and see." CreationDate="2011-11-06T02:15:00.400" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3902" PostId="2242" Score="0" Text="I haven't seen direct rejection... and these templates can be built up and connected to tags or tag conjunctions I suppose. Would make sense to ask the top posters in specific tag categories to provide templates" CreationDate="2011-11-06T07:02:54.523" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="3903" PostId="2242" Score="1" Text="This would come in handy. Ex: When a user selects the postfix tag, you could suggest the user to add `postconf -d` and such..." CreationDate="2011-11-06T09:10:01.847" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="3904" PostId="2242" Score="0" Text="@BartDeVos exactly :)" CreationDate="2011-11-06T09:35:29.990" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="3905" PostId="2244" Score="0" Text="See also: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html (aka. a good idea that doesn't always work)." CreationDate="2011-11-07T01:46:18.997" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="3909" PostId="2244" Score="0" Text="saying &quot;this will not work&quot; is hardly constructive. how about another approach, maybe a repository of such templates, we could point the topicstarters at, instead of manually typing out a list of command outputs and log locations?" CreationDate="2011-11-07T09:24:46.970" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="3912" PostId="2244" Score="2" Text="@dyasny, it appears you only view a very small subset of the questions on SF because you've taken an extremely narrow view of what SF is about. Ignoring the practicalities of getting people to use actually templates, they would only be useful for a pretty limited range of questions anyway. You have also failed to take into consideration the human element. Quite simply, humans generally only go to as much bother as they absolutely have to. I won't suggest another approach simply because I don't believe there is a workable and practical solution to the problem." CreationDate="2011-11-07T22:10:01.637" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3916" PostId="2244" Score="0" Text="Sorry to cut you in mid flight, when you jump to conclusions so willingly, but the reason I view a small subset of questions on SF is simply because I am interested in a certain subset of topics, where I can contribute and learn at the same time. Templates, IMO, address that exact feature of the human element you highlighted -  they provide a ready to fill out set of requirements, instead of going back and forth, which is a convenient thing, and not an extra bother. Of course there is no forcing of hands in filling out every detail in a template, but from my experience - people usually do" CreationDate="2011-11-08T10:07:46.580" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="3917" PostId="2244" Score="0" Text="to cut it short, when you provide a ready set of parameters to fill out, it actually will appeal to the more lazy of us, myself included, who will need only fill out the blanks instead of working hard(er) on asking the question in a right way.  I do not want this to turn into a flame war, and I suppose you did not intend to make things personal or to make them sound so condescending, so I'll just ignore that part of your comment." CreationDate="2011-11-08T10:11:28.463" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="3911" PostId="2247" Score="0" Text="Don't forget [tag:norton], and think about [tag:procurve] and [tag:juniper] too. [tag:vmware] is empty, but [tag:cisco] seems safe." CreationDate="2011-11-07T21:51:24.687" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="3913" PostId="2247" Score="0" Text="@Andrew: [tag:vmware] is [empty](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1316/can-the-vmware-tag-be-deleted) because we fixed it already." CreationDate="2011-11-07T22:38:03.863" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3914" PostId="2247" Score="0" Text="@Iain I thought as much." CreationDate="2011-11-07T22:47:30.110" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="3923" PostId="2248" Score="0" Text="You might be able to get away with posting on sysadmin mail lists, like lopsa/sage.  You might try contacting some of the more popular sysadmin bloggers, and see if they could link to you." CreationDate="2011-11-08T23:22:01.260" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3929" PostId="2248" Score="0" Text="Whatever made you think this could be even remotely on topic for a Q&amp;A site such as SF? On a personal note, just making broad and unjustified statements like &quot;Every admin benefits from iKVM&quot; pisses me off." CreationDate="2011-11-10T22:37:28.447" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3919" PostId="2249" Score="6" Text="As an aside, I'm glad that you found meta and asked if it was appropriate, many new users don't bother. You should check out the [faq](http://serverfault.com/faq) and get a better feel for the Question and Answer format of SF compared to traditional forums. It's not enough to have the content be on-topic. It's weird for many new users to adjust to, but ultimately it keeps the content streamlined and relevant." CreationDate="2011-11-08T19:12:01.697" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3924" PostId="2253" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/96950/can-we-have-a-way-to-undo-a-flag" CreationDate="2011-11-09T02:30:39.283" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="3925" PostId="2256" Score="0" Text="ok... I just found that I can write comments to my own question but not others." CreationDate="2011-11-09T20:49:26.413" UserId="100510" />
  <row Id="3926" PostId="2256" Score="8" Text="See the [faq].  You need 50 rep to comment anywhere." CreationDate="2011-11-09T20:51:55.470" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="3927" PostId="2256" Score="2" Text="check this page - http://serverfault.com/privileges and http://serverfault.com/privileges/comment" CreationDate="2011-11-09T20:52:48.953" UserId="98648" />
  <row Id="3928" PostId="2256" Score="4" Text="That bar that appeared across the top of the page when you first visited SF, prompting you to read the FAQ, is not just an ornament." CreationDate="2011-11-10T02:55:26.903" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3932" PostId="2259" Score="0" Text="Sorry that FAQ is *not* clear. It's very hard to decide whether an rsync comamnd sought is in &quot;professional capacity&quot; or just from a desktop to a home server." CreationDate="2011-11-13T09:22:40.213" UserId="64874" />
  <row Id="3933" PostId="2259" Score="3" Text="No, the [faq] is clear - the context of the question isn't. If **you** can't decide then **you** should leave it." CreationDate="2011-11-13T09:28:05.583" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3934" PostId="2259" Score="0" Text="OK take http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8110404/rsync-changed-files-on-server this. Where?" CreationDate="2011-11-13T09:56:58.993" UserId="64874" />
  <row Id="3935" PostId="2259" Score="0" Text="Nowhere, not without getting further clarification from the OP about the question background. There's insufficient context to understand where it belongs so it should be closed where it is if its OT where it is. And one of the golden rules of migrations is &quot;Don't migrate crap&quot; - http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/82941/please-dont-migrate-low-quality-questions-to-other-sites/82986#82986" CreationDate="2011-11-13T13:28:13.593" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="3936" PostId="2259" Score="0" Text="That looks like a developer working with a dev server but I could be wrong." CreationDate="2011-11-13T17:47:32.897" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3937" PostId="2262" Score="1" Text="There's a few synonyms that need to be made, but first thing we need to do is clean up the [balance] tag to get rid of all the stray [load] tags. This should be done soon, I noticed a few people have been pitching in to get it done." CreationDate="2011-11-13T22:31:30.270" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3945" PostId="2264" Score="0" Text="Shouldn't most of those questions be on SuperUser or Unix&amp;Linux?" CreationDate="2011-11-16T01:11:59.367" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="3946" PostId="2264" Score="3" Text="@Andrew unless they're about OS X server, or about managing OS X in a professional capacity, just like any other OS." CreationDate="2011-11-16T01:18:49.767" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3976" PostId="2264" Score="0" Text="@Andrew &quot;Theres a StackExchange site for that&quot; (http://apple.stackexchange.com) - but like MarkM said, if it's professional desktop/server support &amp; management it can come here too." CreationDate="2011-11-18T15:50:29.710" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3944" PostId="2265" Score="0" Text="Indeed, I thing a synonym would be the right thing to do here." CreationDate="2011-11-16T00:12:34.143" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="3972" PostId="2265" Score="0" Text="There is an operating system called Lion?" CreationDate="2011-11-18T05:44:41.957" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="3975" PostId="2265" Score="0" Text="@Andrew Probably, but the one we're discussing is properly called &quot;OS X Lion&quot; :-)" CreationDate="2011-11-18T15:47:35.093" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3938" PostId="2266" Score="1" Text="The problem is that Microsoft doesn't market it as `Whistler` where Apple strongly pushes the name as the branding over the version number." CreationDate="2011-11-15T16:55:51.807" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3939" PostId="2266" Score="4" Text="But they're wrong, it's stupid, we're IT pro's we should talk in riddles and numbers all the time otherwise 'they' will figure out it's all very easy and fire us :)" CreationDate="2011-11-15T16:58:59.537" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3940" PostId="2266" Score="0" Text="Oh. Well in that case, have an upvote." CreationDate="2011-11-15T18:53:20.850" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3941" PostId="2266" Score="1" Text="I feel teh same about Ubuntu names, only the problem there is that I know we have a few Ubuntu 10.2 servers, but EVERYTHING in their sites refers to Natty or Lucid or some other crazy name and I can never remember which arbitrary name we're running" CreationDate="2011-11-15T19:28:56.707" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3942" PostId="2266" Score="1" Text="Ubuntu 12 should be 'Twee Shite'" CreationDate="2011-11-15T20:29:24.910" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="3943" PostId="2266" Score="1" Text="Sorry but we do in fact refer to Microsoft products by name, not version numbers. Not the dev names perhaps but names nonetheless. e.g. Windows 7, Windows XP, Windows NT, Windows Server 2003, etc., etc. How is that different to Tiger, Lion, Leopard, etc.?" CreationDate="2011-11-15T22:24:25.543" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3947" PostId="2266" Score="2" Text="@JohnGardeniers We already synonymed the Ubuntu &quot;codenames&quot; to their version numbers. Besides, the percentage of &quot;professional desktop support&quot; questions around all versions of Mac OS X is tiny compared to any version of Windows." CreationDate="2011-11-16T01:36:56.993" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="3948" PostId="2266" Score="0" Text="@Andrew, does that mean we should also create version number tags for Microsoft products and synonym the release name to the version numbers? Why this call for consistency that is so totally inconsistent?" CreationDate="2011-11-16T02:08:25.890" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3949" PostId="2266" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers see my answer below." CreationDate="2011-11-16T03:24:20.553" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="3950" PostId="2267" Score="0" Text="I don't see the relevance of marketing. What I do believe is relevant is how most people identify versions. As far as I can tell most Mac users appear to prefer the names, not the version numbers." CreationDate="2011-11-16T20:45:11.250" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3973" PostId="2267" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers marketing drives identification. I think you've changed my mind about Mac OS X names though." CreationDate="2011-11-18T05:49:00.340" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="3959" PostId="2269" Score="3" Text="I think part of the problem is we don't have the best migration choices list on SF (U&amp;L really needs to be there - I know many if not most of the flags I put up are &quot;This belongs on U&amp;L&quot;) - U&amp;L and apple.SE should probably be added at some point..." CreationDate="2011-11-16T22:15:18.863" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3960" PostId="2269" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 - this came up a few weeks ago - check out my analysis of migration paths here: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2004/expand-migrate-options/2006#2006" CreationDate="2011-11-16T22:26:41.463" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3961" PostId="2269" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 U&amp;L is our #3 migration target by the stats. DBA &amp; Apple are tied in 4th place." CreationDate="2011-11-16T22:28:13.607" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3963" PostId="2269" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson ah I didn't see that meta Q - added a comment re: paths of lower resistance winning though." CreationDate="2011-11-16T22:30:24.520" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3966" PostId="2269" Score="0" Text="While I agree that the question isn't a good fit for SF and have voted accordingly &quot;I'm fuming about getting a decline flag at 665 fw, which will take about 20ish successful flags to make up.&quot; suggests to me that you're more concerned about racking up a score than flagging for practical purposes." CreationDate="2011-11-17T21:45:54.753" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3970" PostId="2269" Score="3" Text="@JohnGardeniers Im not sure what you mean by &quot;practical purposes&quot;.  I don't flag superflously and I run out of close votes almost every day. I take full advantage of `/review` and I actively answer answer questions. I'm less than 100fw from the gold Marshall badge. I would say that I care about my flag weight and the items that I'm flagging equally. It's a measure of how well I participate in the flagging process, much like how rep is a measure of how well you participate in the Q&amp;A process. If they didn't want us to care about fw, there wouldn't be a shiny gold badge at the end of the tunnel." CreationDate="2011-11-17T22:15:44.817" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3951" PostId="2270" Score="0" Text="I understand your analogy with Windows systems, but I disagree. It seems like what the OP was asking for is more akin to `nlite` and family and `WSIM` would be more akin to `kickstart`. There are well-documented tools for customizing the installation of distros for sysadmins. What I thought the OP was looking for was something more hold-my-hand-though-this friendly, which is end-user land to me." CreationDate="2011-11-16T21:21:49.780" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3952" PostId="2270" Score="0" Text="Also, unrelated but since you brought it up: If I'm out of close votes for the day and I see something that is in the migration path, but I can't vote to migrate it, is that a valid use of a flag or should I just sit tight until the next day?" CreationDate="2011-11-16T21:23:47.517" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3953" PostId="2270" Score="0" Text="@MarkM - good question. I'd say yeah, continue to flag in that case then, but if nothing happens, be prepared to continue to use your close votes on the same question tomorrow. Also, perhaps you're right about the comparison with `nlite` instead... I'm not particular familiar with un-attended *nix installations." CreationDate="2011-11-16T21:25:31.950" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3954" PostId="2270" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the response. I didn't mean to nitpick you, especially since you weren't the one that declined." CreationDate="2011-11-16T21:26:50.833" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3955" PostId="2270" Score="0" Text="@MarkM - I didn't detect any nitpicking, but I have a fairly thick skin. I can totally understand your frustration of losing 10 fw when it's a non-linear scale." CreationDate="2011-11-16T21:27:39.700" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3956" PostId="2270" Score="0" Text="Flagging a move even if it's a close target can be valid. If you don't have the privilege to cast close votes then your only recourse is to flag. If you do have the privilege then a flag gets converted to the relevant close vote." CreationDate="2011-11-16T21:53:19.733" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3957" PostId="2271" Score="0" Text="Also, preference should always be given to keeping a question on the site it was posted over migrating it" CreationDate="2011-11-16T21:53:37.873" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="3958" PostId="2271" Score="1" Text="It is the 'web based' portion of his requirements that make it sound non-sysadmin-y.  I would want a CLI for something like that." CreationDate="2011-11-16T22:15:12.157" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3964" PostId="2271" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache On reflection, I can see why that would be the case. It isn't obvious but one does have an API (http://susestudio.com/help/api/v2). That'd be one ugly bash-script full of wget calls, but it could work." CreationDate="2011-11-16T22:40:55.190" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4904" PostId="2271" Score="1" Text="Interestingly, the question ended up being closed via VTC, which bizarrely still does not allow high-rep users to nominate questions for migrations to the most appropriate site." CreationDate="2012-01-22T19:07:06.320" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="3971" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="The thing that concerns me about your question is you aren't asking how to fix something, or make something work, you seem to be asking us to explain how some Microsoft tool functions internally.  Are you just curious how it works, or did you have some practical reason why you needed to know this information?  If you do need to know how it operates for some reason, then perhaps you need to make that clear in your question." CreationDate="2011-11-17T22:39:45.640" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3974" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache, I genuinely have no idea where you've got the &quot;explain how some Microsoft tool functions internally&quot; from...! =) What I'm asking is, in a nutshell, &quot;how do I use Powershell to (using the WebAdministration module provided by Microsoft) grok through an IIS config file to obtain a value from within a custom config section&quot;. The practical reason for needing to do this is entirely irrelevant (as it happens it's so that some deployment scripts can tailor the values in the files based on the environment some software is being deployed to)." CreationDate="2011-11-18T14:51:44.417" UserId="49805" />
  <row Id="3977" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="People miss Questions too, we all get busy sometimes. Looking through some of the unanswered Powershell Questions I'm answering a few of them, just haven't seen them before." CreationDate="2011-11-18T17:05:30.100" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3967" PostId="2273" Score="0" Text="I guess I'm just spoilt by the speed with which questions get answered on stackoverflow =) Patience is a virtue, but I'm in the throes of re-writing some deployment scripts (currently batch files) in powershell and want it finished *now* ;)" CreationDate="2011-11-17T21:46:31.977" UserId="49805" />
  <row Id="3965" PostId="2274" Score="0" Text="my thoughts was that Powershell is a *scripting* language with which I'm trying to query the configuration of a server (namely IIS), hence serverfault rather than stackoverflow. I'd appreciate seeing your reasoning behind thinking it's a programming question as there's every chance I'm off the mark =)" CreationDate="2011-11-17T21:44:42.820" UserId="49805" />
  <row Id="3968" PostId="2274" Score="0" Text="@Rob, PHP, Perl, HTML and JavaScript are also scripting languages, yet all are discussed constantly on SO. They even discuss CSS, which is neither a programming nor scripting language. The fact that PowerShell tends to be used mostly by system administrators is irrelevant. In your case the question isn't even about a system administration task. It's just programming." CreationDate="2011-11-17T21:51:41.960" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="3969" PostId="2274" Score="3" Text="To be honest you've now convinced me that my question is entirely in the right place, not your intent but hey! =) It was *In your case the question isn't even about a system administration task.* that did it, scripts which manipulate IIS configuration are **entirely** (IMO) related to system administration." CreationDate="2011-11-17T21:57:01.927" UserId="49805" />
  <row Id="3978" PostId="2275" Score="0" Text="Shock therapy. Make them look at pictures of bad cabling jobs." CreationDate="2011-11-21T19:46:56.177" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3980" PostId="2275" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 - I like looking at pictures of bad cabling jobs. Makes me feel better about my mediocre jobs, and I've got a new building with 284 ports in the coming weeks that need to be patched up and it encourages me to make it looks spiffy ;)" CreationDate="2011-11-21T22:46:36.387" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3981" PostId="2275" Score="0" Text="@Mark http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g190/mrmaigo/1211601771869.jpg Perfect, except I'd have to put my foot in someone's hind-end for using zip ties." CreationDate="2011-11-22T00:45:26.420" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3982" PostId="2275" Score="0" Text="Yeah the zip ties make that worse than no ties at all. At least then you can actually replace a cable or dress a new one in." CreationDate="2011-11-22T01:08:03.977" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3983" PostId="2275" Score="1" Text="Well, I think the chances of needing to replace a cable in that setup is debatable. How often do you replace cables when you've got 100% of your avaliable ports patched? (plus, we don't know where those cables are going, maybe they're only travelling to the next rack over). The biggest issue in that pic for me is that they didn't cut the excess off the zip ties. That's just sloppy." CreationDate="2011-11-22T01:46:47.147" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3979" PostId="2277" Score="1" Text="Good point actually" CreationDate="2011-11-21T22:44:43.847" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3993" PostId="2281" Score="0" Text="What's the -1 all about, there is merit to the question." CreationDate="2011-11-23T21:28:07.953" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="3997" PostId="2281" Score="0" Text="Each site has it's own independent database. When you close as dupe it creates a PostHistory entry referencing the dupe Question by the Post ID (int) only. This *could* be changed, add a field specifying the DB as well, but that's a lot of extra complexity for a relatively minor feature." CreationDate="2011-11-27T03:59:27.670" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="3984" PostId="2285" Score="1" Text="Hm. Perhaps I'll make a stab at a canonical question and answer for the 100MB 100Mb thing." CreationDate="2011-11-22T19:35:17.690" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3985" PostId="2285" Score="0" Text="@MarkM - I've just edited the question to re-open it. Feel free to edit it even further." CreationDate="2011-11-22T19:37:12.897" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="3986" PostId="2285" Score="0" Text="@MarkM Once you've got it worked up, drop a link into http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1986/what-are-the-canonical-answers-weve-discovered-over-the-years" CreationDate="2011-11-22T19:38:28.887" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="3987" PostId="2285" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 Mark H reopened the original with some edits to make it more acceptable. As it currently stands, do you think it belongs in that list under the `networking` heading?" CreationDate="2011-11-22T19:40:59.100" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="3989" PostId="2290" Score="2" Text="I would agree -- IIS is a specialist subset of Windows (Even though IIS is version-locked I consider these questions to be the same as an Apache question: for the most part the underlying OS isn't the issue, it's something specific to the web server software itself that I'm trying to fix)" CreationDate="2011-11-23T17:44:22.107" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="3992" PostId="2291" Score="4" Text="I am willing to cast lots of delete votes if there is no automated way., but as @voretaq7, lets start with the oldest." CreationDate="2011-11-23T20:56:10.190" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="3991" PostId="2292" Score="3" Text="I thought that too but some are still about from 2009." CreationDate="2011-11-23T20:24:02.223" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3996" PostId="2292" Score="4" Text="It's no answers, low views, and 0 or 1 upvotes. I think. So if you want to get rid of an older one and you don't have close-votes, just downvote." CreationDate="2011-11-23T22:27:30.397" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4002" PostId="2301" Score="0" Text="I've been using my unused votes at the end of my day to downcheck questions on the list so that they get automagically deleted as per the edit to my post question." CreationDate="2011-12-01T20:34:01.603" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4018" PostId="2303" Score="0" Text="If a Post migrates to a site where you do not have the same OpenID associated it will be placed in a Ghost account. Any migrations from that Ghost account will remain in Ghost Accounts. Posts by Ghost Accounts can be claimed before migration, `if (claimed) goto 1`. If a Post by Ghost Account is migrated it will remain as a Ghost Account and likely can not be claimed (automatically) until all intermediate migrated posts are also claimed (pretty sure post will only dereference one migration level)." CreationDate="2011-12-06T15:50:13.700" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4008" PostId="2306" Score="0" Text="Cheers. I'm trying not to get upset because I know people are just trying to do the right thing by the community. I did actually think this is a good question though, and I don't want to be afraid of asking questions like this in the future." CreationDate="2011-12-05T05:00:50.083" UserId="24816" />
  <row Id="4011" PostId="2306" Score="4" Text="@aaron.newton: I think you shouldn't ask questions like that in the future on SF (as I think closing as &quot;Not a real question&quot; was warranted), but you shouldn't be afraid of asking questions here. A  close vote isn't meant personally, it's just that we feel that the question isn't a good fit for our site as we envision it. No one will think bad about you because of a closed question, especially since you demonstrated that you thought about the subject beforehand and didn't just wildly typed a random question at the first site with  a text field Google showed you (which happens too often here)." CreationDate="2011-12-05T17:08:58.020" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="4014" PostId="2306" Score="0" Text="I guess I was just suprised when I got a closure/-1 as I have never had this for any of my other Q/As on any of the Stack Exchange sites before. I would compare it to the feeling to getting a parking ticket." CreationDate="2011-12-05T21:24:56.253" UserId="24816" />
  <row Id="4216" PostId="2306" Score="0" Text="@aaron, your comparison with a parking ticket is very appropriate. In this instance the question was left in the wrong place. Incidentally, a Windows file path is just like a Linux file path, except on a Windows machine. It really is that simple." CreationDate="2011-12-16T01:53:22.797" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4007" PostId="2307" Score="0" Text="To further strengthen my case, I have edited my question - http://serverfault.com/questions/337327/what-are-the-underlying-protocols-standards-a-windows-file-path-as-opposed-to" CreationDate="2011-12-05T04:37:57.690" UserId="24816" />
  <row Id="4009" PostId="2307" Score="0" Text="Good feedback BUT no - this is not really a good representation of my question. That page answers part of my question, and this is why I am getting a bit frustrated (i.e. I got a -1 response when I don't think people have actually grasped what I'm asking here). My over-generalised statement is &quot;Linux Paths&quot; = NFS-like, &quot;Windows Paths&quot; = Y; Please define Y. As you can see this is a very specific questions about the underlying technology of an operating system. The answer provided gives good insight - http://serverfault.com/a/337438/24816 As you can see, this is a non-trivial question." CreationDate="2011-12-05T05:19:19.073" UserId="24816" />
  <row Id="4012" PostId="2307" Score="0" Text="Zoredache was - I think - trying to limit the scope of the question; this is probably why it was closed. &quot;Your questions should be reasonably scoped. If you can imagine an entire book that answers your question, you’re asking too much.&quot; -- maybe it's best in the future to try to whittle it down into one very distinct question, and break it into multiples if necessary. If you want the correct terminology, that's one question." CreationDate="2011-12-05T18:22:14.040" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="4013" PostId="2307" Score="0" Text="Alright. I didn't think it was that confusing, but considering how many people did find it confusing I guess it was. As such, I don't actually agree with the comment you just made - at least 1 person was able to understand what I was asking give me a really good answer. But I'm not going to whinge any more as I at least agree with you in principle - I can see cases where I might have taken the same action (closure)." CreationDate="2011-12-05T21:20:07.037" UserId="24816" />
  <row Id="4015" PostId="2308" Score="0" Text="&quot;As a sysadmin I don't really care about the design decisions made by the developers of a particular file system I just work with them.&quot; - fair enough. I was more curious than anything - this was more like a classification question." CreationDate="2011-12-05T21:30:00.247" UserId="24816" />
  <row Id="4016" PostId="2311" Score="0" Text="Just about to post this =) No I don't think this should be allowed, self promotion is OK in bios but not usernames, in my view" CreationDate="2011-12-06T14:58:44.813" UserDisplayName="user80776" />
  <row Id="4020" PostId="2311" Score="0" Text="I don't think there are any restrictions on usernames. If you go searching there are quite a few people who do this or similar." CreationDate="2011-12-06T16:01:26.607" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4023" PostId="2311" Score="0" Text="Well, he pulled out the company name, so that's something." CreationDate="2011-12-06T17:41:25.220" UserId="90723" />
  <row Id="4019" PostId="2313" Score="2" Text="Please don't. Users are allowed to have [almost anything](http://stackoverflow.com/users/52443/welbog) in their profile, provided it isn't patently offensive or breaking the law. The line is crossed when the user starts making spam posts." CreationDate="2011-12-06T15:59:05.683" UserId="12923" />
  <row Id="4024" PostId="2315" Score="5" Text="Um... There's nothing silly about &quot;OMG Ponies&quot; as a username. You take that back!" CreationDate="2011-12-06T17:52:07.883" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4021" PostId="2317" Score="0" Text="I was looking for that and couldn't find it. My mSO-fu is rubbish." CreationDate="2011-12-06T16:06:01.650" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4022" PostId="2317" Score="0" Text="@Iain I cheated. I asked some of the MSO mods." CreationDate="2011-12-06T16:21:50.140" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4025" PostId="2318" Score="0" Text="I think icons on tags are reserved for advertisers. The mSO proposal [of roughly the same idea](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/106157/allow-icons-on-tags-not-only-for-sponsors) was not well received." CreationDate="2011-12-07T00:50:41.900" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="4026" PostId="2318" Score="0" Text="Didn't knew... :( Thanks anyway." CreationDate="2011-12-07T02:12:15.233" UserId="31148" />
  <row Id="4027" PostId="2318" Score="0" Text="You may be interested in a [userscript which can alter](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/24480/script-to-add-more-branded-icons-to-so-tags-to-offset-adobe-branding) the tag icons per your customization." CreationDate="2011-12-07T03:31:15.663" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="4029" PostId="2318" Score="3" Text="Why would you want to? I don't see what problem this solves." CreationDate="2011-12-07T09:18:12.027" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4036" PostId="2318" Score="1" Text="Even if I agreed with this idea (I don't) I'd prefer to see the minimum rep set at something more like 500,000 rather than 500." CreationDate="2011-12-08T01:40:42.337" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4028" PostId="2321" Score="0" Text="Just as nerdy side note: the greek letters are (upper case) phi Φ and (lower case) omega ω =&gt; ph and o" CreationDate="2011-12-07T09:03:07.277" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="4030" PostId="2321" Score="1" Text="You're just doing it wrong http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmp3uqivKf1qhixnvo1_400.png" CreationDate="2011-12-07T09:53:38.363" UserDisplayName="user80776" />
  <row Id="4047" PostId="2321" Score="0" Text="LOL. I once saw some latin characters on the left... and some Arabic characters on the right. Luckily, it wasn't me. But my friend is stumped. Kind of like this: http://goo.gl/7PVjI" CreationDate="2011-12-09T18:30:09.237" UserId="15440" />
  <row Id="4031" PostId="2322" Score="2" Text="...and if you have the ability/patience to enter in the non-latin characters it would be greatly appreciated" CreationDate="2011-12-07T16:06:44.713" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4032" PostId="2326" Score="1" Text="Plus, it's good for badge-whoring if you're into that kind of thing." CreationDate="2011-12-07T19:53:40.933" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4033" PostId="2326" Score="2" Text="No. No love. Only hate. HAAAAAAAAATES the questions, they steal the preciouses!" CreationDate="2011-12-07T20:08:43.057" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4034" PostId="2326" Score="5" Text="Whose turn was it to put @voretaq7 down for his nap today and why didn't it happen?" CreationDate="2011-12-07T20:12:58.790" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4035" PostId="2326" Score="1" Text="I don't know but I'm cranky! And which one of you hid my tequila?! Filthy tricksy thieveseses!  (then again maybe I'm just bitter because all the unanswered stuff on the FreeBSD tag is junk)" CreationDate="2011-12-07T20:24:19.867" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4042" PostId="2326" Score="1" Text="For the badge-whores, I've gotten 4 revivals in the last 24 hours by answering completely neglected questions that there was nothing wrong with." CreationDate="2011-12-08T20:05:41.583" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4043" PostId="2326" Score="0" Text="TESTIFY @MarkM! PREACH IT BROTHER!" CreationDate="2011-12-08T21:15:46.357" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4037" PostId="2328" Score="1" Text="Thanks, although that kind of defeats the purpose a bit." CreationDate="2011-12-08T02:44:57.127" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4038" PostId="2328" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Yeah, just a touch." CreationDate="2011-12-08T07:12:01.690" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4039" PostId="2328" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers New users do still need a way to generate rep to get past the initial hurdles. Questions are protected because they're common or simple problems, generally. These are the perfect questions for new users to cut their teeth on. I agree that it sucks that spammers get 1 day, but the tradeoff is minimal compared to potentially taking an opportunity away from a new user, imo." CreationDate="2011-12-08T13:56:58.217" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4048" PostId="2330" Score="0" Text="This is a great idea. I keep linking shopping questions to the FAQ, it should be explicitly stated that they're off topic." CreationDate="2011-12-10T03:42:56.940" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="4057" PostId="2330" Score="0" Text="So, there seems to be general consensus to this, so who can perform this edit? Only SE staff or you moderators as well?" CreationDate="2011-12-11T14:44:43.067" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="4058" PostId="2330" Score="0" Text="@SvenW Only SE staff can edit that. The community process we're doing right now is the first step in getting it changed. When they come back to work Monday and Tuesday we'll probably see some action of some kind." CreationDate="2011-12-11T16:30:13.143" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4146" PostId="2330" Score="0" Text="Great idea but seriously, whatever gave you the impression that more than a miniscule percentage of SF users read the FAQ? I often think the only ones who have read it or those of us who are forever telling others to do so." CreationDate="2011-12-14T01:51:08.057" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4051" PostId="2333" Score="0" Text="The Beta distinction no longer applies, do not cross post please." CreationDate="2011-12-10T19:19:30.787" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4052" PostId="2334" Score="1" Text="+1 There's a lot of overlap. If the question is more geared to your job's responsibilities I'd go [SF], otherwise [Unix.SE] is commonly just as appropriate. Mods can migrate between either anyway, should you post in the *wrong* site." CreationDate="2011-12-10T19:20:57.977" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4053" PostId="2334" Score="0" Text="What makes it the &quot;wrong&quot; site? I.e., in what cases would a mod migrate from &quot;Unix and Linux&quot; to &quot;Serverfault&quot; and vice versa?" CreationDate="2011-12-10T19:36:10.620" UserId="53736" />
  <row Id="4055" PostId="2334" Score="0" Text="There is no definitive answer to this. Some questions are clearly off topic - home server on SF for example but many fall into the overlap most scripting questions for example. [::gallic shrug::](http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/je_ne_sais_quoi)" CreationDate="2011-12-10T20:11:49.767" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4060" PostId="2334" Score="0" Text="[unix.SE] tends to be more hobbyist and single computer type questions. They rarely migrate to [SF] but do when it clearly involves administering many computers in a professional environment. I personally like to move non-SF questions to [unix.SE] if the Question involves any flavor of *nix and doesn't fit in the confines of [SF] (home, single computer, non-professional, non System Administrator related). [SU] is already a dumping ground where Question go to die (or get inane answers; nearly as bad)." CreationDate="2011-12-11T19:12:44.673" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4059" PostId="2336" Score="0" Text="Dude, you're way past time to upgrade..." CreationDate="2011-12-11T18:54:42.533" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4061" PostId="2336" Score="3" Text="@ChrisS The 3.6.x is still officially supported by Mozilla. Not everyone is able to upgrade." CreationDate="2011-12-11T21:21:10.900" UserId="96354" />
  <row Id="4091" PostId="2336" Score="0" Text="And having tried some of the newer versions I'd suggest not everyone want to &quot;upgrade&quot;." CreationDate="2011-12-13T01:23:22.910" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4062" PostId="2338" Score="1" Text="There has definitely been someone messing with the regular flaggers as I have gotten a few declined on questions that have either been closed or migrated and I know I'm not the only one." CreationDate="2011-12-12T15:33:05.983" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="4093" PostId="2338" Score="0" Text="I've had the same problem. I think Choppers thoughts about on this subject are pretty good, so I'm just going to steal them: &quot;When I see where you are coming from, I'll accept it, even if I don't agree/act upon it&quot;." CreationDate="2011-12-13T08:41:15.617" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="4063" PostId="2340" Score="3" Text="`but why worrying about flag weight?` - I worry about flag weight because it's part of the site, much like rep just less visible. It will take about 20 successful flags just to get back to where I was before this decline, because it is non-linear after 500fw. This isn't an isolated incident, many active flaggers in Comms have noted that there is a mystery mod that is declining stuff that clearly shouldn't be declined." CreationDate="2011-12-12T16:15:43.843" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4064" PostId="2340" Score="2" Text="P.S. Thanks for being a good sport. I wasn't calling you out as much as I was looking for an explanation about the inconsistent flag responses that we seem to be getting. :)" CreationDate="2011-12-12T16:16:20.253" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4065" PostId="2341" Score="10" Text="I do sometimes wish we could go about the business of tidying up without the need for a pile on." CreationDate="2011-12-12T16:59:46.880" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4090" PostId="2341" Score="3" Text="Let me just point out that there is NOTHING worse than usenet." CreationDate="2011-12-13T01:03:06.803" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4094" PostId="2341" Score="1" Text="Oh come on. The Usenet was highly democratic - and a loud mob of egocentric people craving for recognition, acting angry and pecking on newcomers and strangers is what you inherently get with a democracy - you can see it on TV **every freaking day**. Aside from that it was an open platform which served its purpose of facilitating discussions rather well. Stackexchange &quot;meta&quot; and &quot;area51&quot; are nothing but implementations of the same regulatory concepts you have seen in alt.admin groups." CreationDate="2011-12-13T11:19:13.660" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4273" PostId="2341" Score="4" Text="Just a reminder: Usenet still exists." CreationDate="2011-12-18T09:45:27.307" UserId="90570" />
  <row Id="4069" PostId="2342" Score="0" Text="Yes, I have the feeling that you moderators are doing an excellent job of moving most of the filth&#xA;out of the way before we even see it and I am more than grateful for that. I also have the feeling&#xA;that this job is a lot of work, based on comments by you and others, but of course, I can't see that&#xA;for myself, lacking the proper privileges :) Your answer makes it clear though that the work is too&#xA;much for the smallish mod group we currently have and that something should be done about it." CreationDate="2011-12-12T17:49:37.370" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="4070" PostId="2342" Score="2" Text="Some ideas beyond electing more or new moderators would be to give more power to normal users. It's&#xA;stated in the FAQ that there is little difference between high-rep users and mods, but I think this&#xA;is nonsense, even at 20K rep (which is way too high anyway for our site), we would have no way do&#xA;deal with flags or have better closing powers. Some suggestions to help with that would be to scale&#xA;the &quot;close power&quot; of high rep users, counting for two or three votes, and also to show us flags and&#xA;give us means to do something about them." CreationDate="2011-12-12T17:50:03.123" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="4071" PostId="2342" Score="1" Text="But frankly, before I step into the lions den that is&#xA;meta.so with a suggestion like that, I would think that you moderators need to tell Jeff etc. that&#xA;something must change, as it's in their best interest to keep good moderators." CreationDate="2011-12-12T17:50:43.887" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="4072" PostId="2342" Score="0" Text="Also, I am *not* eager at all to be a mod myself, and I don't think I would be qualified, being&#xA;short-tempered myself sometimes and not so well versed in the inner workings of the site or&#xA;integrated into the community, but if no one else better qualified would step forward, I would run&#xA;in an election, but not before April, as I start a new job in February and move into a new apartment&#xA;in March, which will leave not enough room for anything else. And again, I am grateful for your&#xA;work, my posting was not meant personal, and I hope you don't take it that way." CreationDate="2011-12-12T17:50:51.237" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="4100" PostId="2342" Score="3" Text="@SvenW: More power to low rep users isnt a great solution. Look at the piles of crap we get migrated from SO from users with high enough rep to close questions.. More community-elected mods however is a great idea." CreationDate="2011-12-13T14:35:46.967" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="4157" PostId="2342" Score="0" Text="@pauska: I would restrict this to higher rep users. Getting e.g. 10K rep on SF is hard work, and I believe that everyone beyond that level should have a good understanding how the site works. Many below that level (you, among others) would have this too, but it's an easy criterion already used extensively on the site. But I still think that this global scale  between 0 and 20K rep used on all SE sites is fundamentally broken. They need to come up with a scale that is adapted to the activity of a site." CreationDate="2011-12-14T12:22:49.633" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="4076" PostId="2345" Score="0" Text="Your grammar was correct, I misquoted you. Sorry about that, but I am not a Nazi of any kind and  not a native speaker :) I agree  with you on both other points: SF *is* better than Usenet, I was merely quoting and I would also request this minimal effort (and would consider it as an act of courtesy of the questioners part), but as I said, being unfriendly doesn't help us, neither in the sort nor  in the long run. I also likely wouldn't have stumbled about your comment if if hasn't followed Chopper's one immediately." CreationDate="2011-12-12T18:02:18.690" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="4066" PostId="2346" Score="0" Text="The noobs who ask those Questions probably aren't the people you want to attract to be Answerers. You are correct however, we don't want to scare off potential sources of knowledge. I'd like to upvote this, but it seems like an extended comment/observation... no &quot;answer&quot; to the situation." CreationDate="2011-12-12T17:32:35.400" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4067" PostId="2346" Score="0" Text="What exactly do you mean by answer rate ?" CreationDate="2011-12-12T17:42:49.980" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4068" PostId="2346" Score="0" Text="@Iain One of the metrics I can get at is a list of answers-by-day. The trendline is chaotic, but downward pointing." CreationDate="2011-12-12T17:47:55.530" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4073" PostId="2346" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Good point, I'll add some action-items." CreationDate="2011-12-12T17:51:11.330" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4074" PostId="2346" Score="1" Text="@Iain, while the number of unanswered questions is decreasing; the total number of answer posted each day is also decreasing. SysAdmin could be correct, but it could also be attributed to people recognizing one correct answer to a question instead of debating several possible correct answers; possible a side effect of a narrower definition of &quot;Question&quot;. In any case, correlation != causation; we should be careful drawing conclusions from the little bit of raw data we have." CreationDate="2011-12-12T17:53:32.713" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4075" PostId="2346" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 So that's questions that are unanswered rather than the number of answers a question gets. Interesting, my perception was that it was going up http://stackexchange.com/sites shows 82% and I thought it had been lower. Having spent some time in the unanswered bowels of [linux] [centos] [ubuntu] [iptables] I suspect that most questions that can be answered are and what's left needs culling which is another project." CreationDate="2011-12-12T17:56:39.157" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4077" PostId="2346" Score="0" Text="@Iain The screen I see is the total answers across the site per day. So that one question that gets 50 answers since it's kinda funny and made the SE Top Questions list will mask 40 unanswered questions elsewhere on the site. The SE stats you see there show those 40 unanswered questions in the percentage. Another way to view the numbers I see is that we're getting fewer answers to questions than we used to, but are answering more questions at all. More one-answer questions I guess." CreationDate="2011-12-12T18:04:20.090" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4078" PostId="2346" Score="1" Text="@sysadmin1138: Thank you, that is about my sentiment, and you do a much better job of explaining it." CreationDate="2011-12-12T18:06:43.473" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="4079" PostId="2346" Score="2" Text="`&quot;The offended non-professionals we leave in our wake lead general perception that ServerFault is just like every other sysadmin community in being prickly, sarcastic, rough-and-tumble havens of thick-skinned smart people.&quot;` I really fail to see the problem here. This community isn't for them. That would be like me being pissed that NASA engineers won't answer my emails asking if the moon is really made out of cheese." CreationDate="2011-12-12T18:09:17.350" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4086" PostId="2346" Score="3" Text="@MarkM To use your example, the NASA engineers would reply to you using rather harsh language, at which point you, the cheese-head, would tell everyone you know that NASA engineers are bunch of blow-hard elitist bastards. That would get to someone who doesn't know of your cheese-head status, who would form an opinion of NASA engineers based on your experiences that says they're prickly and suffer fools poorly, and don't talk to them unless you're exceptionally well qualified." CreationDate="2011-12-12T18:34:39.090" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4087" PostId="2346" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 And I, personally, don't think that there's anything wrong with that exchange. We're not catering to anyone *other* than professionals in our field. Most of the &quot;piling on&quot; happens to users that ask things that are way OT. The chances that they have an opportunity to influence a SA is slim. The chance that the SA in question wouldn't know that the complainer is a cheese-head is even slimmer. I do see your point, I just don't think that it's a problem." CreationDate="2011-12-12T18:50:08.673" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4088" PostId="2346" Score="0" Text="I should say that being overtly mean is certainly never welcome anywhere as a first response, but a very short comment containing something like `Read the [faq] before you post next time.` is certainly warranted, IMO. If the user responds indignantly (still without reading the faq), then it should be fair game." CreationDate="2011-12-12T18:51:55.907" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4089" PostId="2346" Score="2" Text="@MarkM `If the user responds indignantly (still without reading the faq), then it should be fair game.` This is where I strenuously disagree. At that point the question should be closed Not Constructive. If they come back indignant about the closure, do what @Iain and @JohnGardeniers do and keep a level tone about *why* it got closed, and mod-flagging for either further hammering or a timed lock, and possibly a mod-message if needed. Piling on is never appropriate, and I hammer it whenever I see it." CreationDate="2011-12-12T21:57:37.400" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4332" PostId="2346" Score="1" Text="IMHO, I really feel like this whole conversation could be summed up as &quot;don't be a dick&quot;... which, in more diplomatic terms, is part of the [FAQ](http://serverfault.com/faq#etiquette)... just Flag/Vote to close as appropriate, comment why and be on your merry way. If a user responds flippantly, there's no reason for you to as well. Remember we're supposed to be professionals, and professionals are polite, especially in situations where they have every reason not to be." CreationDate="2011-12-21T08:31:19.330" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="4080" PostId="2347" Score="1" Text="As I said, I am as annoyed by those posts as everyone here. I am also not concerned at all if these people stay around or not. No, that's not true, I can't wait to get rid of them, as they are unlikely to be an asset to us ever, just an annoyance. But the way we react to them is part of how potential valuable contributors see us." CreationDate="2011-12-12T18:16:37.153" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="4081" PostId="2347" Score="0" Text="@SvenW It's a double-edged sword, though. If you aren't completely candid about how unwelcomed OT content it, problematic new users just tend to ask the same question over and over until they get a suspension. I think that most of the `&quot;Read the [faq]. Now.&quot;` style comments end up on questions that are very quickly closed, and many valuable perspective users probably don't even see them. Obviously your colleague did, but I'd say that he is probably in the minority." CreationDate="2011-12-12T18:20:41.743" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4083" PostId="2347" Score="0" Text="@SvenW I understand what you're saying completely, but I'm not sure that analogy holds up. This site is an enormous ongoing discussion. It's loud, not quiet like a restaurant. Sometimes for messages to be heard loud and clear over constant chatter, that message has to be shouted. I do completely understand where you're coming from. I just disagree that having that image is problematic." CreationDate="2011-12-12T18:24:39.863" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4084" PostId="2347" Score="1" Text="Explanation: I posted a comment where I created an analogy between SF and a restaurant and asked what one would prefer: A place where staff deals with unreasonable patrons in a loud and aggressive way and one where they try to be silent about it." CreationDate="2011-12-12T18:27:57.430" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="4085" PostId="2347" Score="0" Text="@SvenW I didn't mean for you to delete your previous comment, I was just suggesting an alternative analogy :) I think that my biggest point is that having the image of an elite community is **not** necessarily a bad thing. We're one of the only SE sites that I'm aware of that is for professionals only in a very specific field. As such, we *should* be elite. The term &quot;elite&quot; has negative connotations for many things, but I don't necessarily agree that it's a negative connotation when applied to our community." CreationDate="2011-12-12T18:33:04.573" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4101" PostId="2347" Score="0" Text="And I'm comfortable with politely asking people to read the FAQ (though I'd prefer, &quot;this is off topic, read the faq section on what we do and don't answer&quot; to just &quot;this is off topic&quot;). I **also** think its reasonable to expect people to put as much effort into asking a decent question - and yes that includes making sure its asked in the right place - as they expect the community here to put into answering it." CreationDate="2011-12-13T14:46:09.073" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4107" PostId="2351" Score="1" Text="There should (theoretically at least) be another moderator election coming up soon..." CreationDate="2011-12-13T15:54:41.923" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4123" PostId="2351" Score="8" Text="While I agree that currently some of our mods are less active, I do not think any of them have seriously over-stepped their authority or harmed the site.  They have all been active and helpful at some point in time, and I am sure we can all agree to thank them for their service to the community.  I am certain none these question/answers mean to imply that anyone is doing their job badly." CreationDate="2011-12-13T17:36:23.293" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="4124" PostId="2351" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache Agreed." CreationDate="2011-12-13T17:51:45.967" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4131" PostId="2351" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache Absolutely!" CreationDate="2011-12-13T19:15:22.850" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="4143" PostId="2351" Score="1" Text="Oh btw, just because we're mods, doesn't mean we're very good sysadmins ;) These two things aren't always dependant on each other." CreationDate="2011-12-13T20:41:45.133" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4147" PostId="2351" Score="0" Text="Just bear in mind that many (most?) with mod power have it only because they are employees or otherwise have a financial interest in the company." CreationDate="2011-12-14T01:57:20.393" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4150" PostId="2351" Score="2" Text="@JohnGardeniers Just Kyle and Zypher, I think?  Peter hasn't been given the hammer." CreationDate="2011-12-14T03:10:10.360" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4156" PostId="2351" Score="2" Text="@JohnG - I don't, I'm far too good with my money to invest it in SE :)" CreationDate="2011-12-14T09:08:21.080" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="4166" PostId="2351" Score="0" Text="@Shane, just check out the posts here on Meta and I'm sure you'll spot a few more." CreationDate="2011-12-14T21:03:50.053" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4168" PostId="2351" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers I think you might be mistaken. According to http://serverfault.com/about there are nine people with diamonds on SF, two are George and Kyle. The other 7 are community mods. Most (all?) of the Devs and community outreach people also have diamonds so that they can do their jobs, but they do not actively moderate SF which is why they aren't listed on that page. The content of this discussion is limited to the 7 community moderators listed in http://serverfault.com/about that were either appointed or elected." CreationDate="2011-12-14T23:18:54.613" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4106" PostId="2356" Score="6" Text="`But if you notice a mod answering plenty and hanging out on chat all day long, then you'd be asking if they were even doing anything in mod capacity with all the time they have to chit-chat and post.` - I strongly disagree. We all see Chopper closing everything in his wake, as well as answering and being available in chat. Participation and moderation are **not** mutually exclusive." CreationDate="2011-12-13T15:54:35.423" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4108" PostId="2356" Score="5" Text="`Reputation from answers isn't the only indicator of what makes a highly respected member of the community.` - One mod hasn't answered anything since **July** and hasn't asked anything since **2009**. I'm not saying that people should have to answer stuff every day, or even every week, but I feel that for a moderator to effectively police a community, they should be a reasonably active member of that community." CreationDate="2011-12-13T15:56:20.427" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4110" PostId="2356" Score="3" Text="The point here is that we want mods who do it all (like Chopper3). We want them to answer questions, give out helpful comments, participate in the chat and on meta, and moderate the site. This is why we think that we need more mods, instead of a few who doesn't do anything other than respond to flag alerts." CreationDate="2011-12-13T16:01:13.213" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="4111" PostId="2356" Score="0" Text="You're right in that moderation and participation are not mutually exclusive. But that participation may be taken up more in how they moderate. If they're drowning, the next round of elections (usually a yearly thing now dependent on site growth and numbers) will help that  @mar" CreationDate="2011-12-13T16:09:15.403" UserId="1953" />
  <row Id="4119" PostId="2356" Score="0" Text="The problem is is that even if those mods are active 24/7 doing moderater-y stuff, we have no clue that they are because all we see is the site.  Sitting idly in chat like @KyleBrandt does is enough to me that they at least see a ticker popup from the m.SE feed (someone mentioned that this stuff goes into their inbox anyway) and can read chat notifications and respond.  The silence of the mods aside from Chopper scare me in that maybe they're not doing anything at all." CreationDate="2011-12-13T16:42:15.200" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="4120" PostId="2356" Score="0" Text="@Shads0 In defense of some of the others, Mark H is in Australia, Splattne is in Italy, and a few others are in the UK. The time zone difference means that they may participate a bit more than we think, even if it's not on meta. I know that Mark H is also very active, just when I'm fast asleep. Chopper is a good example of how active mods should be, but he isn't the **only** one doing his job. That said, there are at least one, possibly more that seem to be occupying a diamond without doing much that us plebs can see." CreationDate="2011-12-13T16:45:09.453" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4121" PostId="2356" Score="0" Text="Aye, as I said in my answer, I mean no offense to anyone and I know some of the mods that I don't see *are* active.  Those are the ones that shouldn't have anything to worry about :)" CreationDate="2011-12-13T17:03:28.997" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="4132" PostId="2356" Score="4" Text="I always have wondered if they should implement some kind of cap for community moderators.  Just like regular users have caps on casting close votes/flags.  We really don't want a single individual to have to deal with a huge number of moderation activities per day.  Lets say you limit a moderator too 100 moderator actions, if moderators are regularly getting close to that limit, then shouldn't we be getting more moderators?" CreationDate="2011-12-13T19:19:42.993" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="19626" PostId="2356" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache ...and only a step from this if mods wouldn't be elected, but it would be a privilege by reputation. But I don't think it would be useful, because I don't think there wouldn't be enough mods around." CreationDate="2015-10-02T23:34:53.337" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="4112" PostId="2357" Score="0" Text="Didn't I warn you yesterday to leave the kittens out of it?!!?!??!" CreationDate="2011-12-13T16:14:18.907" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="4113" PostId="2357" Score="4" Text="I tried turtle-slaughter but their tiny screams pale into insignificance compared to the blood-curdling wail of a half-mangled kitty." CreationDate="2011-12-13T16:23:39.187" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="4115" PostId="2357" Score="0" Text="You'd really mangle [this little guy?](http://i.imgur.com/IPRrK.jpg)" CreationDate="2011-12-13T16:26:59.757" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4117" PostId="2357" Score="0" Text="Awww - they're sleepy - http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/cat-fur-20.jpg" CreationDate="2011-12-13T16:34:00.367" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="4118" PostId="2357" Score="3" Text="I really hate you sometimes...." CreationDate="2011-12-13T16:34:51.037" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="4128" PostId="2357" Score="0" Text="@Chopper3 Turtle-Slaughter sucks. Turtle-*assisted*-slaughter however.... Seriously, have you seen them eat?" CreationDate="2011-12-13T18:46:51.810" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4114" PostId="2358" Score="4" Text="I agree and could happily suggest at least six current users who'd make better mods than me - though to be fair I am the chuck norris of spammer hunting ;)" CreationDate="2011-12-13T16:25:46.827" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="4116" PostId="2358" Score="1" Text="@Chopper3 I think you're on the short list of ones we're generally happy with. Just stop hunting kittens, ok?" CreationDate="2011-12-13T16:31:16.673" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4122" PostId="2358" Score="1" Text="@Chopper3 Chuck Norris doesn't hunt. Hunting implies there is room for failure." CreationDate="2011-12-13T17:32:32.017" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4129" PostId="2358" Score="0" Text="@MarkM Is it OK if he confines the kitten-hunting to catch-and-release?" CreationDate="2011-12-13T18:49:11.403" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4154" PostId="2360" Score="2" Text="This is the kind of answer I was looking for - something to explain what happens behind the curtains. It should be OK to avoid the chat if you're not that kind of person, but participation on m.SF should be mandatory IMHO." CreationDate="2011-12-14T08:53:58.993" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="4125" PostId="2361" Score="2" Text="You're thinking of the post where Jeff criticized some SO mods for spending too much time posting answers when they should be handling flags -- essentially the opposite of this question, which is why I found it rather funny when I saw it" CreationDate="2011-12-13T18:30:00.397" UserId="44689" />
  <row Id="4148" PostId="2361" Score="2" Text="The problem with REQUIRING a certain level of activity is that it doesn't allow for the fact that the time the mods put in is their own and they each have lives (at least in the sense that sysadmins have lives). It's not like a paid occupation, where it is reasonable to require a level of activity." CreationDate="2011-12-14T02:05:35.087" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4149" PostId="2361" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Absolutely - the minute it gets tied to a mandatory level of activity for whatever metric, something has gone horribly wrong.  I think our discussion has been (and should be) more around those who have simply lost interest in the community." CreationDate="2011-12-14T02:49:05.160" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4133" PostId="2362" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure that this was necessarily a request for more mods. We can't see mod flags and mod actions, but we can see who is active in the community. We saw that there was at least one mod, maybe more that seemed to be doing a whole lot of nothing. We wanted to know if this is because 1) they were overburdened by taking action on mod things that only they can see 2) they were just plain inactive. If 1, then we need more. If 2, those people should be replaced." CreationDate="2011-12-13T19:59:35.257" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4140" PostId="2362" Score="0" Text="Fair enough, I guess I got focussed on the line `Do we have enough mods? I'm not so sure.. Why aren't our current mods answering questions? Not enough time? Or simply no interest?`" CreationDate="2011-12-13T20:34:55.027" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4141" PostId="2362" Score="2" Text="We probably don't need more mods. It's more along two lines: 1. Some of the mods active in the UTC-5 Day TZ have made some decisions that have made several people wonder if they're in touch with the community; these mods in particular have been somewhat inactive on the site. 2. We're moving to a state where we have contributor and mods, but not both; and several people think that is something we should avoid (keeping the moderation load low enough that those users can still be active contributors without &quot;neglecting&quot; their duties)." CreationDate="2011-12-13T20:34:57.443" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4142" PostId="2362" Score="0" Text="Do keep in mind the community has a range of moderator satisfaction... Your actions alone do not comprise the whole of our experience." CreationDate="2011-12-13T20:36:38.190" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4144" PostId="2362" Score="0" Text="`not since sysadmin came on board anyway` Do you mean Sam ? Sysadmin1138 started with you didn't he ?" CreationDate="2011-12-13T21:33:57.307" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4145" PostId="2362" Score="0" Text="I do mean Sam, my mistake." CreationDate="2011-12-13T21:53:20.137" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4137" PostId="2363" Score="6" Text="When I see &quot;home&quot; in a question, yes, I automatically think &quot;OT for SF&quot; - Mainly because the expectation [on SF] includes *actually* reading the mega-78-page-manual which you mention. From some reason &quot;home users&quot; are not always comfortable with this method of problem solving.  As a sysadmin, you tend to RTFM, *a lot*, some times without finding the answer." CreationDate="2011-12-13T20:27:16.140" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="4138" PostId="2363" Score="13" Text="[SU] is in a bit of a bind. They have some experts, but breadth of topics is so wide they'll have a hard time ever getting experts enough to answer all the questions that are on-topic there. For Bind you can can on [unix.SE] and you're likely to get an answer. But there will be Questions where you're best bet right now (in my opinion) is simply to lie (or lie by omission) about the situation and put it on sites where it's OT like [SF]." CreationDate="2011-12-13T20:27:53.723" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4153" PostId="2363" Score="2" Text="A big part of the issue here, as @Jscott says, is that in a business environment you *are* expected to have at least skimmed the manual and the support website, and a *lot* of home networking questions can be summed up as &quot;I can haz Internet?&quot; Not all of them of course, but enough to cause our apathy for &quot;home network&quot; questions. Is there a case to be made that a &quot;home network&quot; and a &quot;business class network that just happens to be in a home&quot; are different things? Or would that just lead to more confusion?" CreationDate="2011-12-14T08:53:15.403" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4171" PostId="2363" Score="0" Text="I'm with Rob, if you're taking a business class approach to the situation, I don't care if it's at home or in a business. But to keep the &quot;I can haz Intranetz&quot; people out we really can't let up on the &quot;No Home&quot; verbiage." CreationDate="2011-12-15T01:24:23.093" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4222" PostId="2363" Score="0" Text="just out of curiosity, which question, specifically?" CreationDate="2011-12-16T11:20:06.237" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="6040" PostId="2363" Score="1" Text="Brilliant question; Favourited, as I'd like to think a solution to the issues raised here might get resolved one day. - It gets even more complicated if you want to ask a question about an Ubuntu server? You have a choice of three out of four possible SE sites: ubuntu, unix, serverfault (professional use) or superuser (home use)? There is also a very fine line between SO and SF in a some cases, e.g. scripting could be equally valid on either site. I've occasionally fogged over some details that might make the question appear off topic, so I can post where I think I'd get the best response." CreationDate="2012-04-26T22:46:22.363" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="6633" PostId="2363" Score="1" Text="I work _from_ home. What am I supposed to do?!" CreationDate="2012-07-27T17:49:41.150" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="4134" PostId="2364" Score="0" Text="Leaving out the home part might work, but sometimes questions come up like: Why are you doing this? Where is this again? What did you say this server product was running on? Why are you deploying to X?" CreationDate="2011-12-13T19:59:50.750" UserId="45705" />
  <row Id="4135" PostId="2364" Score="0" Text="@TheLQ That's the risk you take trying to sneak one through. It's very clear what our faq allows. If you try to circumvent it, you have to expect your question will be closed." CreationDate="2011-12-13T20:04:17.430" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4136" PostId="2364" Score="6" Text="@TheLQ, when someone is questioning you like that it is frequently because you are doing something unusual/wrong.  If your question is too rigid, then it may not be obvious to the commenter that you would be interested in seeing answers about how to do things the 'right way'.  If a person asks, a question like that, then you should review your question, and see if you have express any invalid constraints/assumptions, and change them." CreationDate="2011-12-13T20:08:51.140" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="4139" PostId="2364" Score="5" Text="@TheLQ - What Zoredache said is pretty much the general case when we ask &quot;**WHY** (in the name of everything unholy and wrong in the world of the interwebs) are you doing that?&quot; -- If we can't fathom a reason we usually won't help you do something that violates our instincts of what's good and right on a network.  It's our way of avoiding the subsequent &quot;So I did X like you guys said, and now my datacenter is infested with dragons! ***HALP***!&quot; follow-up questions :-)" CreationDate="2011-12-13T20:30:59.333" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4152" PostId="2364" Score="1" Text="@TheLQ I think the answer to &quot;why are you deploying to *X*&quot; is to lie.  &quot;We're a small charitable institution and I know this isn't ideal but its all we can afford&quot;. When we ask &quot;Why are you doing *Y*&quot; then sometimes, yes, we're incredulous that someone's using an unexpanded VIC 20 as a SAN controller in what's supposed to be a business environment, sure, but sometimes we just need better context to answer a question properly." CreationDate="2011-12-14T08:31:43.443" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4155" PostId="2365" Score="2" Text="&quot;Running servers at home for personal use&quot; - Does anyone actually run something like AD at a home server/vm for personal usage, or do they run it at home to learn/lab? I've done the latter several times, and it was only for professional reasons.." CreationDate="2011-12-14T08:58:28.723" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="4158" PostId="2365" Score="2" Text="@Pauska We've split that hair before and come down on the 'off-topic' side. It fails the 'professional workplace' test. Professional enrichment doesn't count as 'workplace'. I do know sysadmins and enthusiasts who do run AD home with their families, while also learning more about it; nothing like real users to learn something." CreationDate="2011-12-14T12:39:01.117" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4160" PostId="2365" Score="0" Text="@pauska: I know a guy that runs AD at home to manage his own personal systems. If he happens to learn relevant stuff, that's cool, but the primary reason *is* personal." CreationDate="2011-12-14T18:42:07.310" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="4159" PostId="2368" Score="0" Text="That was quick. But why exactly did it need to be posted to meta if it was just about asking the SE staff?" CreationDate="2011-12-14T18:23:24.733" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4163" PostId="2368" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj FAQ changes require community feedback before going in, simply because they're such an important document. They won't do it without proof that there is support behind the change beyond &quot;a mod says so&quot;. Thus, the meta-post." CreationDate="2011-12-14T18:56:27.283" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4164" PostId="2368" Score="0" Text="But how is such support expressed? Informally by just issuing 20 votes on the post? I welcome the change but I see nothing but &quot;because a mod says so&quot; as the justification so far." CreationDate="2011-12-14T19:12:51.980" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4165" PostId="2368" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj If Iain had posted it instead and got 20-odd votes, it would have gone through (once the SE staff got poked to notice the question), I just kicked the ball down the hill first. I think the threshold is &quot;it looks like a lot&quot; which is not terribly quantifiable, but definitely &quot;double digits worth&quot;." CreationDate="2011-12-14T19:19:25.797" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4225" PostId="2368" Score="0" Text="Thanks for clarifications." CreationDate="2011-12-16T15:01:27.430" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4151" PostId="2369" Score="1" Text="Totally agree. Just don't tell them it's home, tell em its a lab, and your excuse for using consumer gear is totally valid." CreationDate="2011-12-14T03:21:43.083" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4365" PostId="2371" Score="2" Text="Maybe we should expand this list with some comments regarding to question closure. Ex: `This question was closed because it was a shopping question. Shopping questions are considered not constructive because they have a very limited lifespan.` Or something alike. Anyone who is up for it?" CreationDate="2011-12-23T13:28:30.783" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="4161" PostId="2372" Score="0" Text="Welcome to $site is automagically inserted if the user has only 1 rep." CreationDate="2011-12-14T18:48:28.977" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4162" PostId="2372" Score="0" Text="Really... hadn't noticed that yet." CreationDate="2011-12-14T18:50:01.163" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4167" PostId="2372" Score="0" Text="The SF FAQ now reflects the shopping part as well, with the addition of `[not about...] Product or service recommendations`" CreationDate="2011-12-14T21:31:13.583" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4169" PostId="2377" Score="1" Text="What do people think about seperating the `sc` part, so that it becomes `sc-om` and `sc-cm` and `sc-vmm`? As someone who uses a fair number of `sc` products, I'm kinda against it because everyone refers to it as `scom` and `scvmm`, but from an OCD point of view it could be better." CreationDate="2011-12-15T00:42:53.870" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4170" PostId="2377" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson Yeah, they really should be ms-sc-om, ms-sc-cm, etc. But that's letting form get in the way of function. I got some pretty feverent pushback when I got the &quot;FF&quot; prepended to &quot;TMG&quot;... I'm thinking there would be more pushback on this one." CreationDate="2011-12-15T01:19:57.767" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4172" PostId="2377" Score="0" Text="yeah, I hated the idea of putting FF on TMG as well. If I don't hear anything from anyone in a few hours I'll do the merge as you sugget." CreationDate="2011-12-15T01:58:15.020" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4173" PostId="2377" Score="0" Text="If I were more familiar with the products myself I'd have a firmer opinion." CreationDate="2011-12-15T03:06:45.470" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4174" PostId="2377" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 in the MS community they're pretty well known by the sc??? acronyms. DPM was it's own product before MS formed the System Center suite (which it looks like they may be disolving now, forming a Cloud Management suite... *le sigh*) so the &quot;DPM&quot; stuck despite the product having System Center in the title... As long as the two DPM tags get merged/syn I don't really care, except for OCD for consistency." CreationDate="2011-12-15T05:36:59.467" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4915" PostId="2377" Score="0" Text="@Chris S: Actually, you changed it to one-FTMG. As the primary contributor of answers for that product, I'm still bitter about it." CreationDate="2012-01-23T00:13:35.020" UserId="35088" />
  <row Id="4917" PostId="2377" Score="0" Text="@TristanK - are you saying that one of the synonyms is incorrect?" CreationDate="2012-01-23T01:55:33.410" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4931" PostId="2377" Score="0" Text="@Mark Henderson: No, just inconsistent with the scheme suggested above. TMG-2010 was synonymed to ms-ftmg-2010 rather than ms-ff-tmg-2010 . I preferred TMG-2010, but was voted down. C'est la vie." CreationDate="2012-01-23T06:11:43.413" UserId="35088" />
  <row Id="4206" PostId="2378" Score="0" Text="The FAQ used to differentiate between a problem on a single computer (as is the case in that Question) and problems that affect multiple computers. I think that one could go either way, but you have a point." CreationDate="2011-12-15T19:30:36.577" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4213" PostId="2378" Score="0" Text="@Chris, that example might not be the best one to illustrate the point. It's just the one that made me think to ask about this as a general thing." CreationDate="2011-12-15T21:23:12.813" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4175" PostId="2381" Score="0" Text="Can you tell me the hrs and the timezone this happens in? If its the same time of day I'm moderating I will keep an eye on it tomorrow." CreationDate="2011-12-15T11:57:10.333" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4176" PostId="2381" Score="0" Text="Check the [transcript](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/127) - but be warned it may not be safe for your work." CreationDate="2011-12-15T12:00:27.347" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4177" PostId="2381" Score="1" Text="Maybe I'm missing something, but besides a handful of F bombs, what's the problem in that transcript? (not disagreeing with your overall principle, but that transcript is pretty benign compared to what I was expecting)." CreationDate="2011-12-15T12:43:40.177" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4178" PostId="2381" Score="7" Text="I admit to staying out of the Comms Room due to an increasingly hostile culture and not having time to deal with it appropriately (new job: not nearly as boring as my last one, this has consequences.). Looking at the starred posts list (http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/127/the-comms-room?tab=stars) is the image laden highlight-reel." CreationDate="2011-12-15T12:47:31.427" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4179" PostId="2381" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 What's wrong with images on the star wall, assuming they aren't offensive? Surely the 406 cat error made you chuckle? :)" CreationDate="2011-12-15T12:49:20.603" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4180" PostId="2381" Score="3" Text="As a tip for the lurkers, you can mod-flag Chat comments. All in-chat SE mods get those so you'll get a pretty quick response to the flag regardless of time of day." CreationDate="2011-12-15T12:50:09.193" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4181" PostId="2381" Score="0" Text="@MarkM The star-wall is a good short-hand for the funny stuff that goes through. By increasing awareness of it, we get more debate on community standards and what's acceptable. 406-unacceptable is darned funny (as is internal-error). Others skirt the boundaries." CreationDate="2011-12-15T12:52:14.153" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4182" PostId="2381" Score="5" Text="Just to balance things out, I think http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/127/2011/12/14/11-13 is an example of the room being helpful and so-on with a non-reg asking off topic questions. It's not as if the room is a total sinkhole." CreationDate="2011-12-15T13:37:29.053" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4183" PostId="2381" Score="4" Text="I'm pretty sure it's all my fault..." CreationDate="2011-12-15T13:48:03.160" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4184" PostId="2381" Score="0" Text="@holocryptic  Too many ponies man, too many ponies &lt;3" CreationDate="2011-12-15T13:53:16.793" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="4186" PostId="2381" Score="2" Text="It's gotten out of hand for reasons *other* than what Iain posted about..." CreationDate="2011-12-15T14:08:29.157" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4194" PostId="2381" Score="3" Text="I noticed that you're not in chat. I hope it's because you're busy in the real world and not because you feel alienated because of asking this question. If it's the latter, come back. We already lost Chop today :(" CreationDate="2011-12-15T16:13:42.103" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4197" PostId="2381" Score="0" Text="@Holocryptic Negative. Blame the kitty. That's what I do..." CreationDate="2011-12-15T18:54:54.537" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4198" PostId="2381" Score="0" Text="Woo, 1 hour chat ban for trying to calm people down :)  Starting to agree with other people not modding our chat =/" CreationDate="2011-12-15T19:00:02.087" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="4211" PostId="2381" Score="4" Text="@Iain can you please come to the chat room and talk to us ASAP - we honestly had no idea and this makes us feel really (REALLY) bad. Come back. Pleeeeees." CreationDate="2011-12-15T20:48:12.770" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="4212" PostId="2381" Score="2" Text="@Iain, thank you for confirming my decision not to take part in chat." CreationDate="2011-12-15T21:18:40.400" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8397" PostId="2381" Score="0" Text="Its a sad thing when IRC is the safe place to chat at work." CreationDate="2013-01-19T22:50:35.263" UserId="88188" />
  <row Id="8398" PostId="2381" Score="0" Text="@mikebabcock: Things are much better than they were (this is 14 months old) but still requires ignoring the worst offenders. IRC is so 1990s and beardy - get with the century of the fruit bat !" CreationDate="2013-01-19T22:58:54.587" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8399" PostId="2381" Score="0" Text="@Iain I found this while looking at where to complain about the state of chat here ... I'm on IRC every day, and have been for over 10 years.  Quality has gone up year over year rather than down.  It may be old, but it works." CreationDate="2013-01-20T06:18:08.923" UserId="88188" />
  <row Id="8400" PostId="2381" Score="0" Text="@mikebabcock: If you wish to make a complaint about chat then just open a meta question." CreationDate="2013-01-20T07:11:37.507" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4187" PostId="2382" Score="3" Text="I dislike two chats idea." CreationDate="2011-12-15T14:13:40.833" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4188" PostId="2382" Score="2" Text="I do too, honestly.  But I'd rather that than modding things to the point where nothing is funny anymore." CreationDate="2011-12-15T14:16:11.507" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="4191" PostId="2382" Score="1" Text="Unexpectedly you have misinterpreted moderation as requiring a moderator. There is personal moderation too" CreationDate="2011-12-15T15:33:52.623" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4192" PostId="2382" Score="2" Text="@Iain Indeed. The mod-hammer is there to remind you that I shouldn't have to do it for you." CreationDate="2011-12-15T15:54:15.900" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4193" PostId="2382" Score="2" Text="Failing to see a difference whether we personally censor items vs someone doing it for us.  The fact still stands that there is no set in stone rules at chat aside from unspoken ones (No flame wars, no personal attacks, no racial/sexual/religious slurs, etc)." CreationDate="2011-12-15T15:55:32.880" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="4196" PostId="2382" Score="1" Text="I'm definitely against a two-chats idea.  The &quot;official Ned Flanders-ized totally-safe-for-work-here-let-me-wipe-your-fanny-for-you chat will inevitably become a ghost town, and if that's the &quot;official&quot; chat room for the site we'd wind up with newbies going there, looking around at the crickets, and assuming we're all dead..." CreationDate="2011-12-15T18:10:39.723" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4204" PostId="2382" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 +1 for using the word 'fanny'" CreationDate="2011-12-15T19:18:45.050" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4189" PostId="2383" Score="4" Text="Unexpectedly you have misinterpreted moderation as requiring a moderator. There is personal moderation too." CreationDate="2011-12-15T15:17:38.083" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4190" PostId="2383" Score="3" Text="Either way my points still stand. IMO, we may cross a line from time to time as a group, but I hardly think that it's a problem. To paraphrase @pauska in chat &quot;if this ends up with us talking like Flanders, I'm out.&quot;" CreationDate="2011-12-15T15:24:07.150" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4195" PostId="2383" Score="2" Text="I think &quot;Personal moderation&quot; is the key, much as it is with comment snark.  We will inevitably cross our own lines, and police ourselves accordingly." CreationDate="2011-12-15T18:08:47.930" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4207" PostId="2383" Score="2" Text="`Ive never been in an environment where there are NSFW rules` - as a teenager I learned very, very creative methods of swearing whilst doing work experience in an IT office. Never in my life had I heard such filth. Fast forward 8 years to 2 years ago and we hired the most polite, petite, and politicially correct 25-year-old indian woman. The other day I heard her say to herself &quot;G----- m------f---- piece of s--- c--- a-- f---ing thing won't compile&quot;. I was proud but also dissapointed in myself. Perhaps some self moderation isn't a bad thing..." CreationDate="2011-12-15T19:34:24.113" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4215" PostId="2383" Score="2" Text="@MarkHenderson I understand what you're saying, but many of the things said in chat are no different that many of us hear daily at our workplaces. We have a rather constructive discussion(once off-site mods stopped trying to bully) and realized that some of the things that happen in chat are unacceptable. That said, the use of profanity was one of the things that we vehemently defended. As long as it's not directed at someone in an attempt to be hurtful I think that it is wholly OK. If it's meant to be hurtful then it's unacceptable. That goes for everything, not just profanity." CreationDate="2011-12-15T22:29:42.860" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4227" PostId="2383" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson does bring up an interesting point though - I've noticed that even the most delicate flowers tend to start cussing like sailors after prolonged exposure to the IT field (Sysadmin, Programming, and ***especially*** Datacenter Operations).  I'm not exactly sure what that means, but it probably means something..." CreationDate="2011-12-16T15:12:39.113" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4235" PostId="2383" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Seems that there's a clear winner in Nature v Nurture here." CreationDate="2011-12-16T16:57:59.693" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4236" PostId="2383" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra YOU TAKE THAT BACK! Darwin will seriously $!@# your #@$ up!" CreationDate="2011-12-16T17:01:24.680" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4205" PostId="2384" Score="1" Text="The idea of making the chat room un-indexable is great. Either that or we start or own IRC channel." CreationDate="2011-12-15T19:20:43.580" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4208" PostId="2384" Score="5" Text="I think making the chat room un-indexed is an extremely poor idea.  One of the ideals of the stackexchange sites was to be better then forums/irc/usenet.  If we have to hide part of the activity because it is too offensive, then I think we are seriously failing." CreationDate="2011-12-15T19:52:01.953" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="4209" PostId="2384" Score="2" Text="I happen to think making the chat room unindexed is a lousy solution Much like putting wallpaper over a crack, it hides the problem.  Personally I don't put anything in chat I wouldn't put on twitter, or in a blog, or anywhere else publicly viewable. My standards may not match up with other people's standards though..." CreationDate="2011-12-15T20:16:37.213" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4246" PostId="2384" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Doesn't seem to be the way I view it. There *is* no problem. It's just that a few seem to be good at convincing themselves there is. Anecdote: CxO walks into server room. &quot;I don't like the color of your servers.&quot; So you buy new faceplates. There was no problem - just someone's bizarre impression. You do your best to facilitate them within reason, but you're not melting your own plastics, molding new faceplates and lobbying Congress to demand that Dell never makes that color again. (Yes, that analogy is weird)" CreationDate="2011-12-16T17:46:33.053" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4248" PostId="2384" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid I think there is a &quot;problem&quot; (perception by outsiders), I just don't think it's a ***problem*** (we're horrible trolls who want to eat everyone's babies).  Perception can be fixed by toning down some of the stuff we discussed in chat, and I think it leaves our unique culture intact.  Were we truly a horde of baby-eating trolls I'd have less sympathy for us)" CreationDate="2011-12-16T19:00:38.880" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4251" PostId="2384" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Less raids on daycares. Got it. Will report back with results." CreationDate="2011-12-16T19:38:55.383" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4252" PostId="2384" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid The raids are fine, just catch-and-release hunting though, no eating.  Pretend you're fishing in New York waterways." CreationDate="2011-12-16T19:42:26.240" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4199" PostId="2385" Score="1" Text="`&quot;and non-regulars not &quot;respecting the room's culture&quot;.&quot;` I assume that you're referring to my comments, so I'll reply. I was talking about a specific incident involving a diamond from a *different* SE putting one of our regulars in a chat time-out without knowing the whole situation and letting the user that actually started the whole shebang go untouched. That is unacceptable to us. If you are going to give someone a chatban at least know enough about the room and history to give it to the right person." CreationDate="2011-12-15T19:04:02.397" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4200" PostId="2385" Score="6" Text="Not to make light of the fact that some may take varying degrees of offense to the contents of SF Chat, but the fact is sysadmins *do* (at least in my experience) have a different culture. We see the business side of the net all day, and we enjoy cutting loose with slightly twisted memes &amp; jokes at the expense of our expen$ive vendors. I think if anyone in chat actually spoke up and said &quot;not cool guys, that's offensive&quot; (and what offended them actually DID cross a line) they'd get an instant apology." CreationDate="2011-12-15T19:06:25.297" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4201" PostId="2385" Score="3" Text="+1, I agree. It is a mess." CreationDate="2011-12-15T19:07:34.850" UserId="38380" />
  <row Id="4202" PostId="2385" Score="5" Text="Also Specifically re: the &quot;snarky comments&quot; about flagging, @MarkM hit the nail on the head.  Chat flagging calls people into rooms with no context and asks them to judge the goings-on, with their only option being &quot;ignore it&quot; or a chat time-out (rather than say, *rational discussion* of any real or perceived offense). I feel that we as chat regulars are right to take some level of offense at that: To me it's as if SF mods went onto English.SE and mod-hammered questions they felt were controversial. (1/2 -- Continued)" CreationDate="2011-12-15T19:11:17.557" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4203" PostId="2385" Score="5" Text="(2/2) Frankly chat regulars have offended both ourselves and new users before, and we've traditionally handled it ourselves (apologies and understanding all around, and what I feel are generally good results).  Things definitely got out of hand this morning, but at least in my opinion &quot;justice&quot; wasn't served - two people were wrong, and only one got walloped (granted the one who &quot;should have known better&quot; and &quot;had the cooler head&quot;, but I still think we as a community could have handled that better...)" CreationDate="2011-12-15T19:13:45.483" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4210" PostId="2386" Score="2" Text="How are you &quot;one of the worst offenders&quot;? You're a freaking cat." CreationDate="2011-12-15T20:22:32.083" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4214" PostId="2386" Score="3" Text="While @WesleyDavid may be a participant, I think all (save maybe a very small handful) of chat regulars have at one time or another uttered words, phrases, images, memes, idioms, jokes, etc. that some people may be offended by.  It's incumbent on all of us to make sure the room ***is*** a welcoming place, while retaining the openness (and yes, some of the snark) that makes it somewhere sysadmins want to hang out." CreationDate="2011-12-15T21:30:24.497" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4234" PostId="2386" Score="1" Text="Wesley pretty much speaks for me on this" CreationDate="2011-12-16T16:40:52.817" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4247" PostId="2387" Score="1" Text="In addition to Wesley speaking for me, so does Ward." CreationDate="2011-12-16T18:13:35.423" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4249" PostId="2387" Score="3" Text="I'm also pretty squarely in this camp from a personal perspective: I've been a bit creeped out by some of the stuff posted in SF Chat (Rebecca Black is a scary broad!), but never offended.  But my threshold of offense is also pretty high, so the standard I'm really applying is &quot;as long as we're not driving away users who come to SF, answer some questions &amp; click on Chat we're OK&quot;." CreationDate="2011-12-16T19:10:39.623" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4219" PostId="2388" Score="1" Text="It is not about written-down rules, it is about common sense. If a mere expression of opinion triggers an instant response to &quot;get off your f***ing high horse&quot; and insults are thrown around shortly thereafter, following a rainstorm of moderator flags, the chat does not look like the place to be. I am the last one to be offended, but I share the concern about the message this chat room is sending out since it is associated with the site. If the participants really want to behave like self-sufficient ops on an IRC channel, they should simply open one and run their riot there." CreationDate="2011-12-16T09:48:45.013" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4220" PostId="2388" Score="1" Text="Personally, I don't believe sense is all that common, or that everyone has the same internal definitions for the words &quot;nice&quot; or &quot;respect.&quot; As for people taking offense ... in this post I'm taking no stance on whether that's right or wrong. I'm mostly noting that this rift seems to be centered around how different people have clearly different expectations from the chat rooms, and it isn't clear how to resolve them." CreationDate="2011-12-16T10:00:30.867" UserId="3437" />
  <row Id="4221" PostId="2388" Score="0" Text="As I see it, the rift is not about expectations but about whether a chat room where people repeatedly, explicitly and, according to their statements, deliberately violate the social consensus on the communication protocol (which they might do as much as they please if all of the participants agree on it) really needs to be linked to Serverfault." CreationDate="2011-12-16T10:13:33.473" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4223" PostId="2388" Score="8" Text="I wish I could downvote comments" CreationDate="2011-12-16T14:40:36.947" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="4224" PostId="2388" Score="6" Text="Apparently &quot;Let he without sin throw the first stone&quot; has been reinterpreted to &quot;Let he with sin keep throwing stones until he finds a sympathetic ear and finally gets his way&quot;..." CreationDate="2011-12-16T14:53:51.470" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4226" PostId="2388" Score="0" Text="This is not even close to getting &quot;my way&quot;, because I have no &quot;way&quot; in regards to the chat. I have an opinion based on yesterday's events and I am certainly not afraid to express it. Other than that, I do not care. But the excessive moderation in the channel should be a hint nonetheless - no one would ask a police officer to &quot;understand the culture&quot; of a pub brawl before acting and hitting offenders with the club." CreationDate="2011-12-16T15:07:45.733" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4228" PostId="2388" Score="6" Text="@syneticon-dj you have failed to define `the social consensus on the communication protocol` -- From where I sit the &quot;social consensus&quot; seems to be &quot;Obscenity bad. Some memes overdone and perhaps not the most welcoming, tone those down.  Profanity OK as long as it's not just for profanity's sake. Keep the obscenity and profanity off the main site.&quot;  That consensus may evolve over time, but neither you nor I nor any single person can ***dictate*** &quot;social consensus&quot;. The ***community*** needs to arrive at a consensus. (1/2)" CreationDate="2011-12-16T15:18:35.350" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4229" PostId="2388" Score="4" Text="Now of course, if one of the community management folks, or Joel, or Jeff, or anyone else from the Stack Exchange network wants to weigh in and say that what we're doing explicitly contravenes their intentions for the chat environment their word trumps our community consensus -- It's their environment, and we're just invited guests.  If it comes down to it we can move our BSing into IRC or similar.  Personally I'd rather see regulars hanging out in chat and BSing -- It lets us actually help users when they pop up with questions.  (2/2 - EOT EOM)" CreationDate="2011-12-16T15:26:03.507" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4230" PostId="2388" Score="5" Text="@syneticon-dj Re: your pub brawl analogy, I was a bartender before I was a sysadmin.  When there's a brawl my patrons and bouncers usually break it up and deal with it themselves - I can count on one hand the number of times I've actually had to call the cops to deal with patrons.  The same holds true for chat: The denizens of SF chat (and SF at large) deal with our own problems.  This is as it should be in my opinion (and if you read all of yesterday's transcripts there are at least a few mods and StackExchange employees who seem to agree)." CreationDate="2011-12-16T15:29:50.853" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4231" PostId="2388" Score="0" Text="The cops were called by **someone else**. Whoever it was, whatever the reasoning for his actions, once the cops are there, they act. I cannot see any way to argue against that. The social consensus is defined by the broader society, not just the serverfault crowd and certainly not just the chat crowd - since the visibility is net-wide it would be the entirety of potential readers or at least the likely readers. If people otherwise unrelated are coming by and telling &quot;guys, you really should behave&quot;, they are probably not doing so for their personal pleasure." CreationDate="2011-12-16T15:42:53.163" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4232" PostId="2388" Score="6" Text="@syneticon-dj We'll have to agree to disagree.  This is the internet: Home of Goatse, Tubgirl, NgirlsMcups, Lemon Party, etc.  If we are judging community standards by `the entirety of potential readers` we're not just tame, we're a trip to Disney. If we're judging by likely readers (People from SF who may click the chat link) I think we're approaching a line, and we will regulate ***ourselves*** accordingly." CreationDate="2011-12-16T15:48:44.697" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4233" PostId="2388" Score="3" Text="Generally speaking, whenever someone trots out the &quot;common sense&quot; cannon, I tend to tune them out as their arguments are fluffy feel good hand holding *non*-sense based on emotion and woulda, coulda, shoulda" CreationDate="2011-12-16T16:33:03.867" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4255" PostId="2388" Score="2" Text="Let me simplify. A lot of The Comms Room regulars seem to be saying &quot;let our local Sherriffs sort out our local issues, mods from other communities *please butt out*&quot; ... while the moderator-at-large setup of all SE chatrooms suggests that all moderators are Feds who should go anywhere in the chatverse and enforce national standards as they see fit. There is a seeming conflict between 'local' and 'national' standards, and it would probably be very helpful to understand what if any provision is or should be made for 'local laws', especially if they conflict with 'national laws.'" CreationDate="2011-12-16T23:29:39.380" UserId="3437" />
  <row Id="4250" PostId="2389" Score="1" Text="I adamantly disagree with &quot;whatever site will get you the right answer&quot;. SF definitely has the most knowledge when it comes to networks and will always be the most likely place to get an answer, unless we punt. The FAQ makes &quot;home&quot; question OT with good reason however." CreationDate="2011-12-16T19:32:43.370" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4253" PostId="2389" Score="1" Text="I think the third paragraph clarifies the first line a little - I *hardly* if ever ask questions here (or vote to move things here off superuser for that matter) since the environment and tools i work with largely are indistinguishable from a home setup.With specific reference to the question, asking a domain controller question on SU seems out of place, as would a question on using enterprise grade routers in a home environment. The point of asking a question *is* primarily to get an answer, and *secondarily* to build a longer term knowledge base after all." CreationDate="2011-12-16T22:26:13.093" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="8577" PostId="2389" Score="0" Text="The home/professional distinction is valid.  But it should be determined based on the category of the question, and not the category of the network that stimulated the question.  There are questions some home networkers ask that belong in SF.  Just don't tell 'em it's for a home network.  There are other questions that should be migrated to SU.  The problem with SU is that is doesn't distinguish between a &quot;home super user&quot; and a &quot;home system/network administrator&quot;.  Neither one necessarily implies the other." CreationDate="2013-02-02T13:33:23.057" UserId="119260" />
  <row Id="4237" PostId="2390" Score="0" Text="Makes sense... hang on." CreationDate="2011-12-16T17:07:10.737" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4239" PostId="2391" Score="1" Text="I don't really understand the inner working of synonyms and merging, so perhaps I misunderstand what this means, but &#xA;that's like merging Windows and Windows-7. DFS is a banner for two related technologies: DFS-R and DFS Namespaces. DFS and DFS-R are not analogous." CreationDate="2011-12-16T17:23:19.667" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4240" PostId="2391" Score="0" Text="Also, the OP edited [this](http://serverfault.com/questions/338471/windows-2008-dfs-issue-files-dissapear) to contain the dfs-r tag after this was done. Shouldn't this have made that unnecessary?" CreationDate="2011-12-16T17:24:27.903" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4241" PostId="2391" Score="0" Text="I agree with @MDMarra - if someone told me to investigate DFS, I would not assume they were referencing replication and vice versa. Though close, they are distinct." CreationDate="2011-12-16T17:25:10.273" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="4242" PostId="2391" Score="2" Text="@MDMarra We're talking about &quot;DFSR&quot; and &quot;DFS-R&quot;. Same thing, one with a hypen, one without. The &quot;DFS&quot; tag is still there with 129 questions on it." CreationDate="2011-12-16T17:25:20.147" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4243" PostId="2391" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra I added dfs-r because it was more relevant. I removed DFS as there was no evidence of a question related to namespaces. And yes I wish people would use DFSN or DFSR specifically. But they dont and when DFS is mentioned, clarification is often required." CreationDate="2011-12-16T17:26:49.393" UserId="62681" />
  <row Id="4244" PostId="2391" Score="0" Text="Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. My brain somehow missed the R in DFSR. In my defense, @Dan missed it too apparently :D" CreationDate="2011-12-16T17:26:56.197" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4245" PostId="2391" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra sent me here and I just scan read it. I lose!" CreationDate="2011-12-16T17:28:30.110" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="4254" PostId="2392" Score="0" Text="They'll just syn one to the other, so people can type in whatever they want and it'll all end up in the same pile." CreationDate="2011-12-16T23:04:25.850" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4263" PostId="2394" Score="1" Text="All regulars and high-ish rep users should be required to have hats in chat.  And in answers." CreationDate="2011-12-17T20:36:19.047" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4265" PostId="2394" Score="0" Text="e.g. http://serverfault.com/questions/341935/hdd-misbehavior-fs-ok-but-files-are-corrupt" CreationDate="2011-12-17T20:59:35.983" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4266" PostId="2394" Score="0" Text="@Ward Upon penalty of being spit on by the aforementioned BabyMamaBramahSlamaFujiyamaDramaLlama" CreationDate="2011-12-17T21:32:08.283" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4268" PostId="2394" Score="1" Text="I wish I could upvote my own post just because of the dancing elves" CreationDate="2011-12-17T23:36:45.880" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4281" PostId="2394" Score="2" Text="I just watched that elf thing. I'm scarred for life now." CreationDate="2011-12-19T05:15:03.010" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4256" PostId="2395" Score="1" Text="You're a dirty, dirty man" CreationDate="2011-12-17T15:41:32.550" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4264" PostId="2395" Score="5" Text="He's a Lumberjack and he's ok!&#xA;He works all night and he sleeps all day!" CreationDate="2011-12-17T20:50:58.463" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4283" PostId="2395" Score="0" Text="&quot;works&quot;, &quot;night&quot;, &quot;sleeps&quot;, &quot;day&quot;" CreationDate="2011-12-19T06:11:26.883" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4257" PostId="2401" Score="3" Text="It's this sort of snowflake escalation that leads to trouble..." CreationDate="2011-12-17T17:59:46.393" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4258" PostId="2402" Score="0" Text="*Mr Burns voice* Yeeeesssss, it's all coming together quite nicely now..." CreationDate="2011-12-17T18:03:51.887" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4259" PostId="2402" Score="5" Text="Also, pony related. Like that was a hard choice." CreationDate="2011-12-17T18:04:32.587" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4260" PostId="2404" Score="1" Text="There you go, Shads added an appropriate comment for you." CreationDate="2011-12-17T18:33:30.027" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4261" PostId="2404" Score="0" Text="Yup, he beat me to the punch (Thank you, Shads)! Yes, I was 1/2 joking with LMGTFY, and I'm happy to hear that its blocked from SF - it would just make all of us look like a bunch of complaining, unhelpful idiots. Although server admins in general are a rare breed, that's for sure. &#xA;&#xA;Thanks for the suggestions / responses, Holocryptic and @Ward." CreationDate="2011-12-17T18:38:47.587" UserId="57332" />
  <row Id="4262" PostId="2404" Score="1" Text="Well, to be fair, we *do* complain a lot...." CreationDate="2011-12-17T18:39:54.823" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4282" PostId="2406" Score="5" Text="No Christmas sock?" CreationDate="2011-12-19T06:10:56.993" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4267" PostId="2408" Score="1" Text="I approve. Now post your gravatar to my Meta!" CreationDate="2011-12-17T21:38:18.533" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4269" PostId="2412" Score="2" Text="This is *fantastic*. Have you done the cat's ass + lipstick test?" CreationDate="2011-12-18T00:24:42.813" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="4270" PostId="2412" Score="3" Text="Uuuh... no... I have not" CreationDate="2011-12-18T00:27:09.177" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4271" PostId="2414" Score="2" Text="I like the alternative" CreationDate="2011-12-18T01:44:24.487" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4274" PostId="2415" Score="0" Text="Do you know what's its official name is? I'd probably call it [ntfrs] over [frs], but that's maybe just me. If I saw the [ntfrs] tag, that would click in my head what it was relating to before [frs] would, but again maybe just me." CreationDate="2011-12-18T15:42:07.803" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="4275" PostId="2415" Score="0" Text="Official name is FRS. ntfrs is the service name. Please see the FRS tag description as I updated it. Thanks." CreationDate="2011-12-18T16:05:17.977" UserId="62681" />
  <row Id="4284" PostId="2415" Score="0" Text="[Mark](http://serverfault.com/users/7709/mark-henderson) did it." CreationDate="2011-12-19T14:46:53.807" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="4276" PostId="2417" Score="0" Text="You've gotta get Kenny to do his, too." CreationDate="2011-12-18T18:20:39.877" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4277" PostId="2417" Score="0" Text="Will do :). I'll send him a text :)" CreationDate="2011-12-18T19:15:19.877" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="4278" PostId="2417" Score="2" Text="Done, fun initiative!" CreationDate="2011-12-18T19:31:43.307" UserId="49297" />
  <row Id="4279" PostId="2419" Score="3" Text="A good attempt, sir. And yet your gravatar remains shockingly boring" CreationDate="2011-12-18T21:50:59.970" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4300" PostId="2419" Score="2" Text="There you go, sir. I hope that makes you happy! :D" CreationDate="2011-12-20T02:46:17.703" UserId="57332" />
  <row Id="4301" PostId="2419" Score="0" Text="It does! Welcome to the club!" CreationDate="2011-12-20T06:53:17.200" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4280" PostId="2420" Score="6" Text="Hey hey welcome to the club ;) Now you're one of the cool kids!" CreationDate="2011-12-19T05:12:09.953" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4303" PostId="2420" Score="3" Text="Well, you *would* be one of the cool kids if you'd activate this pic as your Gravatar." CreationDate="2011-12-20T10:32:41.163" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4321" PostId="2420" Score="0" Text="Golly gosh, I've never been a cool kid before." CreationDate="2011-12-20T20:50:31.967" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4290" PostId="2424" Score="0" Text="What's it show in your flag history?  AFAIK, &quot;spam&quot; flags get no weight.." CreationDate="2011-12-19T17:56:37.673" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4291" PostId="2424" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden question updated" CreationDate="2011-12-19T18:01:47.253" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="4292" PostId="2424" Score="0" Text="Huh.. well, I thought they didn't, but looking in my history now, all of my spam flags do now say `Helpful` (in strange contrast to other flags' lowercase `helpful`).  Recent UI change?" CreationDate="2011-12-19T18:06:21.623" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4293" PostId="2424" Score="0" Text="Probably a minor typo bug" CreationDate="2011-12-19T18:07:02.980" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="4296" PostId="2424" Score="0" Text="I'm sure spam flags have only recently started to accrue FW - perhaps it's been removed again." CreationDate="2011-12-19T19:39:06.813" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4299" PostId="2424" Score="0" Text="FWIW, I have a number of flags which were not marked rejected, helpful or anything else." CreationDate="2011-12-20T02:39:57.013" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4285" PostId="2426" Score="1" Text="Yeah really. The flag history shows a normal work-flow. No idea why the existing flag didn't get 'helpful'." CreationDate="2011-12-19T15:26:01.200" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4294" PostId="2426" Score="0" Text="Its possible that the post got 6 spam flags and was auto-deleted, in which case I don't think any weight gets added..." CreationDate="2011-12-19T19:26:22.717" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4295" PostId="2426" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson the post was deleted by sysadmin1138" CreationDate="2011-12-19T19:31:21.267" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="4287" PostId="2430" Score="0" Text="I'm guessing that you want to merge all [tag:certificates] into [tag:certificate] - but can you clarify so that we're 100% sure?" CreationDate="2011-12-19T17:19:03.933" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="4288" PostId="2430" Score="0" Text="yes please. Thats what I'd like." CreationDate="2011-12-19T17:20:16.223" UserId="62681" />
  <row Id="4289" PostId="2430" Score="1" Text="Edited it for you :-)" CreationDate="2011-12-19T17:22:13.467" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="4298" PostId="2432" Score="2" Text="Boba Fett and Darth Vader in vintage suits and santa hats. I think I can die now." CreationDate="2011-12-20T00:11:55.817" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4302" PostId="2433" Score="0" Text="Good man. Wouldn't want to be caught running around under-dressed, now would we? It's a bold new future we march towards, young man!" CreationDate="2011-12-20T06:55:17.680" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4312" PostId="2436" Score="3" Text="Why don't you ask the Diablo Java people ? At best you'll get informed opinion here. At worst you'll get wrong information. The Diablo Java people will know for sure." CreationDate="2011-12-20T15:52:35.013" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4313" PostId="2436" Score="2" Text="Actually I got an answer - a definitive answer that won't be obsolete for a long time, if ever: _Diablo Java is unmaintained and obsolete..._" CreationDate="2011-12-20T15:57:54.893" UserId="8263" />
  <row Id="4304" PostId="2437" Score="0" Text="This wasn't about licensing - none of the topics mentioned in that other question was what this was about. More specifically, my question was: _Will Diablo Java disappear from FreeBSD like Sun Java did from Ubuntu and Red Hat?_" CreationDate="2011-12-20T15:13:08.233" UserId="8263" />
  <row Id="4305" PostId="2437" Score="1" Text="Still sounds like a discussion question to me. And that question is meant to be Canonical. It's what all licensing questions are to be closed as a duplicate of, since we don't deal with licensing questions here. I take that to mean licensing in any way, whether it's the purchase of license, or answering questions about GPL compliance, BSD compliance, or anything else." CreationDate="2011-12-20T15:19:15.490" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4308" PostId="2437" Score="0" Text="This makes it sound like all I have to do is utter the word _license_ and the question is closed. This _cannot be_ as not all questions about licensing will be of that type: for example, how about: _How do I research my licensing options?_" CreationDate="2011-12-20T15:38:21.800" UserId="8263" />
  <row Id="4309" PostId="2437" Score="0" Text="The post mentioned above had a comment (second most up-voted comment!) that said this, in part: _Essentially this is making the subject of licensing a taboo subject on SF. If the same logic is applied to other subjects, SF would cease to be a useful resource._" CreationDate="2011-12-20T15:42:04.670" UserId="8263" />
  <row Id="4310" PostId="2437" Score="3" Text="Luckily for us, that same logic isn't applied to random subjects without any thought or consideration. Like @voretaq7 said - Licenses are legal docs. We aren't lawyers. As for the comment, it is +12. The question itself is +36/-8 and the topvoted answer is +23/-1. People are still clearly in favor of the question. I also wonder how many of those +12 are from people in a similar situation to you. I.E. not knowing that licensing questions are off-topic for SF and then being upset that your question was closed." CreationDate="2011-12-20T15:47:47.283" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4311" PostId="2437" Score="1" Text="All that said, you might want to commit to http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/3527/software-law if you feel like there should be a place in the network for software licensing questions (since that place isn't Server Fault)." CreationDate="2011-12-20T15:49:17.110" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4314" PostId="2437" Score="0" Text="This is not about a license. It's about a software installation. I could understand if I asked _Which license should I get?_ or _Is this the right number of licenses?_ This question is not about a license at all - but about whether a piece of software will be available or not." CreationDate="2011-12-20T15:59:48.717" UserId="8263" />
  <row Id="4315" PostId="2437" Score="1" Text="`&quot;Now that the Operating System Distributor License for Java is being retired and Ubuntu Linux is pulling Java from all repositories, what does it mean for Diablo from FreeBSD?&quot;` - If you're asking what will FreeBSD do, that's too localized for this site. Contact them. If you're asking how the retirement of the license potentially effect distribution, then that's both open-ended and about licensing. Either way, it should be closed. Please don't take closings personally. It's how we keep the site relevant, useful. and on-topic. Everyone's had something closed/deleted at some point." CreationDate="2011-12-20T16:02:17.587" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4317" PostId="2437" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the discussion - and the notes. Keeping a site like these &quot;on-topic&quot; has got to be a real challenge - and is needed. I never posted to Meta but was worried about rep. Thanks for the nice ending note." CreationDate="2011-12-20T16:06:23.117" UserId="8263" />
  <row Id="4318" PostId="2437" Score="1" Text="@David Votes on meta don't add/subtract from rep on purpose. Voting here is agree/disagree as opposed to useful+correct/wrong on main. If you ever want more clarification than a meta post brings (or if you even want to discuss something like this that is off-topic on main) come to [chat]. There are dozens of regulars and we discuss this kind of thing (and plenty of other off-topic stuff) throughout the day." CreationDate="2011-12-20T16:09:44.533" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4306" PostId="2438" Score="1" Text="[I ain't pass the bar, but I know a little bit...](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etl9kkIGaHo)" CreationDate="2011-12-20T15:24:34.077" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4307" PostId="2438" Score="1" Text="[I'm sorry I thought you was corn](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6CPPema0QY)" CreationDate="2011-12-20T15:27:32.170" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4316" PostId="2438" Score="0" Text="This question is not about a license, but about a software installation." CreationDate="2011-12-20T16:02:38.497" UserId="8263" />
  <row Id="4319" PostId="2438" Score="2" Text="@david Quoting the only QUESTION part of your question in its entirety: `&quot;Now that the Operating System Distributor License for Java is being retired and Ubuntu Linux is pulling Java from all repositories, what does it mean for Diablo from FreeBSD?&quot;` -- This is entirely a license/legal question, which IMHO is **not** appropriate for ServerFault." CreationDate="2011-12-20T16:13:14.350" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4322" PostId="2440" Score="1" Text="One of our moderators is also a moderator on DBA, so this could be an interesting discussion." CreationDate="2011-12-20T22:08:58.503" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4324" PostId="2440" Score="0" Text="The [tag:sql-server] tag needs an update, for sure - but I'm not sure what's wrong with [tag:mysql]?" CreationDate="2011-12-20T22:20:13.523" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4327" PostId="2440" Score="0" Text="I have been checking with them (in their chat) about possible migration candidate to quote 'we're aiming for advanced SQL, DBA, BI, NoSQL: etc '." CreationDate="2011-12-20T22:28:20.890" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4343" PostId="2440" Score="0" Text="@BartDeVos - SQL and Database questions are really two seperate areas. Even though there's overlap, they are definately two different things." CreationDate="2011-12-21T23:03:17.717" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4348" PostId="2440" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson Sure they are, but both where addressed in the topic." CreationDate="2011-12-22T06:37:20.907" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="4323" PostId="2441" Score="2" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1855/what-kind-of-database-dba-questions-does-the-sf-community-want-to-keep ?" CreationDate="2011-12-20T22:16:26.117" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4325" PostId="2441" Score="0" Text="Easy. How did I miss that?" CreationDate="2011-12-20T22:24:34.007" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4326" PostId="2441" Score="1" Text="Hmm, apparently I didn't miss it, I commented on it. I just forgot about it." CreationDate="2011-12-20T22:27:26.363" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4334" PostId="2441" Score="0" Text="I believe the DBA users already stated what they want to have via their [FAQ](http://dba.stackexchange.com/faq) - just as I've written in [my comment to Bart's answer](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/2442/76595) there is a dissonance between the wording of their FAQ and what apparently is the serverfault's folks belief of what should go there." CreationDate="2011-12-21T09:06:42.310" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4337" PostId="2441" Score="0" Text="What we believe is not as important as what they believe. We need to stuck to their FAQ." CreationDate="2011-12-21T09:28:50.103" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4342" PostId="2441" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj Are you saying that we need to be more aggressive about giving them anything and everything database related?  I'm not sure if I can agree with you there, for the same reason we don't send every Apache/IIS question to Webmasters or every bash question to U&amp;L: overlap between the sites is expected, and as long as the questions are getting well served where they're asked, there's no problem.  Take [this question](http://serverfault.com/q/343159/72586) from this morning as an example: what about our FAQ does that not fulfill to be on topic here?" CreationDate="2011-12-21T22:33:48.737" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4487" PostId="2441" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden Not necessarily actively so. I strongly believe in choice - just giving the questioners the information at hand that there **is** DBA where their stuff might be on topic should make it sort out all by itself. The trouble with &quot;too much&quot; overlap is that one site (in this case DBA) might get at risk of being deprived of relevant questions if serverfault is going to try too hard to compete." CreationDate="2012-01-04T21:11:59.280" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4491" PostId="2441" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj Just because there might be a more relevant place for a question, does not mean that we must aggressively migrate it.  There is overlap, that is a fact; drawing a line in the sand at what we estimate to be the center of the gray area and migrating everything that's over the line is not the intent when the overlap was created." CreationDate="2012-01-04T21:28:52.483" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4492" PostId="2441" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden please note how I explicitly voted to **not** aggressively migrate anything but just facilitating an informed decision where it belongs - at the questioner's" CreationDate="2012-01-04T21:31:53.990" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4333" PostId="2442" Score="0" Text="The [DBA FAQ](http://dba.stackexchange.com/faq) **explicitly** states *Database Administration, including installation, provisioning, scaling, replication, migration, tuning, partitioning, clustering, referential-integrity, ddl&#xA;Database backup, restore, export, import and etl, Database recovery, Data Model / database-design, Advanced Programming in server-side languages built into databases, including stored-procedures and triggers* - so either the DBA FAQ needs to be updated or the current view on things at SF is too narrow." CreationDate="2011-12-21T09:02:19.280" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4335" PostId="2442" Score="1" Text="There is going to be overlap, no matter what. I don't think there is anything wrong with some overlap..." CreationDate="2011-12-21T09:08:10.673" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="4336" PostId="2442" Score="0" Text="Personally, I rather would have not seen a dba spinoff of serverfault **because** of the massive overlap. The overlap induces the problem that either a) regulars have to watch two sites instead of one now or b) questioners are not getting their answers (or not getting them as quickly or as detailed as they could have been) because they've posted to the wrong site." CreationDate="2011-12-21T09:17:34.293" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4340" PostId="2442" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj I sympathise with your views - there is certainly a significant degree of overlap. I wonder if you have seen database-related questions tolerated on SF that you'd really rather not have though: those are good candidates for migration if they are on-topic on dba.se. There is an opportunity for SF (and particularly SO) to achieve more focus without seeing good questions go to waste." CreationDate="2011-12-21T13:09:11.753" UserDisplayName="user83664" />
  <row Id="4341" PostId="2442" Score="0" Text="@Bart see my response to your 'possible duplicate' comment above. You may be surprised to know there are large numbers of SQL language questions being migrated from SO to dba.se where we are trying our best to give them a good home (and I believe, succeeding). We also occasionally migrate SQL language questions to SO, but only the most basic ones." CreationDate="2011-12-21T13:11:33.547" UserDisplayName="user83664" />
  <row Id="4490" PostId="2442" Score="1" Text="@JackDouglas whenever I do, I leave a comment and possibly vote for migration. I also think that the current implementation of the migration feature [is not adequate for the user's needs](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/115890/off-topic-question-migration-feature-broken-by-design) and hope it changes some day." CreationDate="2012-01-04T21:26:08.227" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4344" PostId="2444" Score="1" Text="There is a third option, which might be the best one if you have doubts - Leave it alone and those with voting rights will probably take care of it." CreationDate="2011-12-21T23:55:59.743" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4349" PostId="2444" Score="1" Text="Ho ho ho, sounds good. Glad my Santa hat helps. Thanks! (I suppose I should say &quot;hoho&quot; instead of &quot;hehe&quot; since I've got my Santa hat on)" CreationDate="2011-12-22T14:07:25.127" UserId="57332" />
  <row Id="4352" PostId="2444" Score="1" Text="It should be Flag Priority, not Weight... Leave it to programmers to mix them up." CreationDate="2011-12-22T19:13:25.440" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4353" PostId="2444" Score="2" Text="@Chris, they're probably confusing it with &quot;flag wait&quot;, which is used to get even with annoying customers and bosses." CreationDate="2011-12-22T20:45:51.053" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4346" PostId="2445" Score="0" Text="A new beard *and* mistletoe?! Paddington had better watch out!" CreationDate="2011-12-22T00:05:11.167" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="4347" PostId="2445" Score="5" Text="He's a dirty, dirty bear." CreationDate="2011-12-22T00:06:58.477" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="4345" PostId="2446" Score="3" Text="Well, I think silly is what it's all about, so you've done well." CreationDate="2011-12-21T23:57:40.570" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4358" PostId="2447" Score="0" Text="See http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/37597/what-kind-of-computer-is-being-used-in-workin-on-ur-problemz and http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/06/workin-on-ur-problemz/" CreationDate="2011-12-23T01:20:36.007" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="4351" PostId="2448" Score="4" Text="Or at least change the &quot;closed&quot; in the title to &quot;merged&quot; so they're easily identified in the search results?" CreationDate="2011-12-22T16:27:12.030" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4355" PostId="2448" Score="1" Text="I'm all for re-titling.  Honestly I think after this weeks' purge we'll be &quot;as clean as we can get&quot; for a while and we can focus on deleting *new* junk questions when they're asked..." CreationDate="2011-12-22T21:09:18.423" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4354" PostId="2449" Score="0" Text="Agreed - anything merged that isn't total crap and still attracts views that send people to a canonical (or at least good) answer should stay." CreationDate="2011-12-22T21:08:24.273" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4356" PostId="2449" Score="1" Text="Wouldn't Deleting those questions just bump what they were merged into up in the search results? I don't think that by deleting them those views will enter the abyss, but rather that people will just find the actual question more easily. I do understand why you wouldn't want to delete them, though." CreationDate="2011-12-23T00:03:40.213" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4357" PostId="2449" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra - I honestly don't know, but when Jeff tell us that high view questions should not be deleted, I listen." CreationDate="2011-12-23T00:15:05.910" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4359" PostId="2449" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson the link you provided was for closed questions. Merged questions are certainly a subset of that, but they also are unique in that they hold no valuable content other than a link to something else. I may venture into the shark-infested waters of m.so to see if the opinion is different for merged questions. Wish me luck." CreationDate="2011-12-23T03:03:51.793" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4360" PostId="2449" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra - hah good luck, but you have to remember once upon a time, there wasn't 'closed' and 'merged' and 'migrated', there was just 'closed' (and merged/migrated etc were subsets of closed), so 'closed' encompassed pretty much everything." CreationDate="2011-12-23T04:17:01.727" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4361" PostId="2452" Score="2" Text="That questions contains the following response from Waffles: Well, clearly we have to honour prior commercial agreements we have. I have alerted the team and we will deal with this in due coarse. – waffles♦ 27 mins ago" CreationDate="2011-12-23T06:45:54.820" UserId="88657" />
  <row Id="4370" PostId="2452" Score="0" Text="Then that's your answer, I guess." CreationDate="2011-12-23T18:43:52.580" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4366" PostId="2453" Score="0" Text="I've seen a few other SF regulars with them as well, they just haven't seen fit to update here" CreationDate="2011-12-23T13:57:34.100" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4362" PostId="2455" Score="0" Text="Fair enough Iain - I wanted to talk about the principle of not changing stuff in code blocks, with that question as an example, rather than focus on that one question. I know the guy who proposed the edits knows what they're talking about, I know the edits were probably innocuous and I trust you, but I still feel as a point of principle that there are some things we shouldn't clear up as part of an edit, or allow others to clear up, because these mistakes might be instrumental to the problem being discussed." CreationDate="2011-12-23T12:36:03.710" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4363" PostId="2455" Score="2" Text="In general I would agree that changing code blocks isn't a good thing however each edit has to be taken on it's own merits. So a blanket ban isn't a good thing either." CreationDate="2011-12-23T13:05:40.507" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4364" PostId="2455" Score="2" Text="True enough. Perhaps I chose a bad &quot;example&quot; then, the exception that proves the rule..." CreationDate="2011-12-23T13:18:12.300" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4367" PostId="2456" Score="0" Text="I'm not a SF user but found it cool to share my gravatar here. I can delete it if it's not appropriate or something." CreationDate="2011-12-23T16:51:36.533" UserId="105003" />
  <row Id="4368" PostId="2456" Score="1" Text="SE accounts are linked magically, you *are* an SF user now. :)" CreationDate="2011-12-23T16:57:54.857" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="4369" PostId="2456" Score="2" Text="@jscott, you forgot to add the evil &quot;muahahahahaha&quot; after." CreationDate="2011-12-23T17:53:46.763" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="4371" PostId="2457" Score="3" Text="If you read it carefully, the statement from godaddy, was obviously crafted by a politician (*cheating lying bastard* R US)." CreationDate="2011-12-23T22:02:51.577" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4372" PostId="2457" Score="0" Text="@Iain - not sure what relevance it has who wrote it? You can't get much more clearer than `Go Daddy is no longer supporting SOPA`" CreationDate="2011-12-23T22:26:31.080" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4373" PostId="2457" Score="3" Text="Oh dear and you an Aussie too - to quote @voretaq7 in chat earlier &quot;Go Daddy will support it when and if the Internet community supports it.” I think this was the most telling remark. They still support it. They just won't say they do until everyone else does. Nothing quite like a wishy-washy company with no set ground to control your website." CreationDate="2011-12-23T22:37:13.403" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4374" PostId="2457" Score="0" Text="Also not quite sure what being an Aussie has to do with anything either?" CreationDate="2011-12-23T22:41:12.397" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4375" PostId="2457" Score="2" Text="I believe Aussies to be famously capable of detecting politician's double speak - after all you put yours underground (best place for them) :)" CreationDate="2011-12-23T22:50:50.260" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4376" PostId="2457" Score="3" Text="Its always amazed me that anyone did business with them in the first place. Given the amount of problems with them that I've read about over the years, using their services has seemed too much like trying to build a working nuclear reactor out of lego." CreationDate="2011-12-24T10:30:01.527" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4377" PostId="2458" Score="3" Text="And your improvements are very welcome... Well worth the approval time!" CreationDate="2011-12-25T12:04:08.613" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4378" PostId="2458" Score="0" Text="@Rob Moir: thanks! :-)" CreationDate="2011-12-25T13:56:47.507" UserId="14103" />
  <row Id="4379" PostId="2458" Score="0" Text="Nice holiday plan! Much appreciated :)" CreationDate="2011-12-25T19:18:05.373" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="4380" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="I believe you are completely misunderstanding the concept of local. You don't need to know or understand the use case for such questions, just as it's not necessary for anyone to know why I want to generate images programmatically, as per my most recent question." CreationDate="2011-12-28T02:06:07.490" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4381" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Updated!" CreationDate="2011-12-28T02:23:43.527" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4382" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="I thought you were claiming the credit/blame for one of the TL votes. It appears now you're playing the Devil's advocate." CreationDate="2011-12-28T02:56:10.890" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4383" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Yes, I should have been more clear. I updated my post." CreationDate="2011-12-28T02:58:15.997" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4384" PostId="2463" Score="4" Text="as you've asked - A piece of string is 1376mm. I just measured it." CreationDate="2011-12-28T04:27:36.003" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4385" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers You are as awesome as a henway." CreationDate="2011-12-28T04:33:16.903" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4386" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="+1 I didn't vote on this one, but would have voted Too Localized. @JohnGardeniers I think you misunderstand the concept of local. In fact, there are two concepts. 1. It might be localized to a particular geographic region. 2. It might be of use to such a minority, edge cases, that it can not be usefully answered for the general case (localized to the situation). I believe this Question falls into the latter. The fine details of the use case will determine *if an optimal layout even exists*. It might well be the case that any common partitioning is just as good as another." CreationDate="2011-12-28T14:18:50.330" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4387" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="I see the word &quot;optimal&quot; as being just as bad as &quot;best&quot;. The person is asking us to do their job for them, or worse doesn't realize what is involved and is blindly asking for any solution. Best and Optimal vary by situation, if there was a silver bullet for everyone then we'd all be using it by now. Asking for solution suggestions is again just as bad because it's a shopping/discussion question. Too Localized seems to fit all of these sorts of Questions just fine; the &quot;correct&quot; Answer will be completely localized to their situation and almost certainly irrelevant to everyone else." CreationDate="2011-12-28T14:21:33.413" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4388" PostId="2463" Score="1" Text="People seem to forget, Question and Answer are not for the sole benefit of the Questioner (that's what ExpertSexChange is for). This site is *for the community*. If the Answer is of no benefit to the community, how should we allow the Question to clutter the knowledge base?" CreationDate="2011-12-28T14:23:20.837" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4389" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="@Chris, the idea that the question under discussion is local is absurd. In reality EVERY question is local by your definition simply because no two situations are ever identical. It follows therefore that because each is unique it must by your definition be too localized for SF. I'll also argue that every question is first and foremost for the questioner. I've never seen anyone posting a question just because they thought it might benefit the community and not themselves." CreationDate="2011-12-28T22:02:36.507" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4390" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="&quot;We're participating in [Server Fault] ... to collectively build something great for the community&quot; [Ref](http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2010/06/the-vast-and-endless-sea.html). My question on [adminCount](http://serverfault.com/questions/304627), it's no coincidence that the Answer was posted less than 1 minute later as I already knew the answer but wanted it posted solely for the community's benefit." CreationDate="2011-12-29T02:34:50.790" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4400" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="@Chris, that's just rep harvesting." CreationDate="2011-12-29T21:03:47.203" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4401" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Oh come now, questions are made to be answered, not only because you don't know the answer, but also because you want to share an already known answer. I believe that is officially sanctioned in some meta.SO conversation somewheres." CreationDate="2011-12-29T21:07:01.930" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4402" PostId="2463" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers That Powershell/adminCount answer was a situation where Mark answered the question in chat, but they posted it for posterity; if he was rep harvesting, then he wasn't doing it for himself.  On the topic: I think we could probably clean that question up to a more general &quot;What partitioning, formatting, and file system options do I need to pay attention to for a given storage use case&quot; question and we could do a community-wiki treatise.. but I can see the Too Localized case, and voted Not Constructive myself because he's asking for the &quot;best&quot; general options, which is opinion." CreationDate="2011-12-29T22:00:50.947" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4391" PostId="2467" Score="0" Text="In a slightly unrelated note, we should work to get this to be the canonical answer for such things, so we can mark and close dupes http://serverfault.com/questions/99890/brainstorm-flood-dos-ddos-attack-prevention-ideas" CreationDate="2011-12-29T11:39:24.957" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="4392" PostId="2467" Score="3" Text="Why, oh, why would anyone be asking about DOS (the OS) here?!" CreationDate="2011-12-29T16:07:34.213" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4398" PostId="2467" Score="0" Text="Is it safe to assume they mean MS-DOS? That way there can be no confusion..." CreationDate="2011-12-29T20:42:11.487" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4403" PostId="2467" Score="0" Text="I'm pretty sure they do.  I've been through every question tagged [dos], they're all either mistagged as denial of service, or relating to cmd on windoze." CreationDate="2011-12-29T22:38:49.073" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="4404" PostId="2467" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson For our purposes we can probably get away with saying &quot;DOS is DOS&quot;, but they could easily be referring to FreeDOS (which is what I see popping up more and more in places where DOS is still a thing), or emulation (DOSBox, DOSEMU -- though those are probably worthy of their own tags)" CreationDate="2011-12-29T22:53:44.427" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4405" PostId="2467" Score="0" Text="Is there that much variance between freedos and msdos?" CreationDate="2011-12-29T22:56:15.627" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="4410" PostId="2467" Score="0" Text="@TomO'Connor - I agree with your general sentiment but not quite so sure about that particular question, as the asker wishes to exclude third party s/w and/or tools from the Denial-of-service discussion. Not saying there's anything wrong with the question they're asking in itself, but I think a canonical question/answer has to include those alternatives." CreationDate="2011-12-30T14:29:48.900" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4442" PostId="2467" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo: Legacy Applications... For example there are lots of ancient SCADA-like systems that only run on DOS. You'd be surprised to learn how many of these lurk in buildings doing things like controlling vents, lights, etc." CreationDate="2012-01-04T06:36:49.663" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="4445" PostId="2467" Score="0" Text="@kce Turbines, motors in nuclear fuel reprocessing plants. cf, stuxnet." CreationDate="2012-01-04T09:25:46.470" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="4468" PostId="2467" Score="0" Text="@TomO'Connor - the stuff of nightmares." CreationDate="2012-01-04T17:57:42.297" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="4421" PostId="2468" Score="2" Text="For reference, this is what other sites do [SuperUser](http://meta.superuser.com/questions/3957/community-promotion-ads-2012), [Apple](http://meta.apple.stackexchange.com/questions/455/community-promotion-ads-1h-2011), and [Ubuntu](http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/2158/community-promotion-ads-1h-2012)" CreationDate="2011-12-31T20:59:21.287" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="6636" PostId="2468" Score="0" Text="Can we use the inline URL format, rather than the annoyingly unreadable reference style?" CreationDate="2012-07-28T13:27:58.920" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="4399" PostId="2469" Score="0" Text="I agree with you but I'm having trouble seeing what this has to do with the topic under discussion, which is why the question was closed as too localized when there are more appropriate voting options." CreationDate="2011-12-29T21:00:18.810" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4406" PostId="2469" Score="0" Text="Actually, I do think that that question was too localized.  'What's the best way to optimize [this disk] on [this controller] with [this filesystem]?'  I would give points for a mostly ( except for the &quot;best&quot; part) clear and detailed question, but it's unlikely that it would be of use to anyone else." CreationDate="2011-12-30T04:03:07.093" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4393" PostId="2470" Score="11" Text="The algorithm that SF uses to tweet Posts needs some tweaking before I could support this... It's generally the worst Questions that get tweeted, not really some I'd prefer to advertise." CreationDate="2011-12-29T16:25:40.953" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4394" PostId="2470" Score="1" Text="@Chris: feel free to down-vote... ;-) The point of these ads is that they're *community-chosen*. I'm sure you can think of things more worthy to advertise, and propose them here..." CreationDate="2011-12-29T16:58:08.260" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="4395" PostId="2470" Score="10" Text="You mean that twitter feed isn't supposed to be &quot;vote to close&quot; suggestions? I'm staggered. We'd love to promote a twitter feed that was actually worthwhile." CreationDate="2011-12-29T19:55:56.477" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4396" PostId="2470" Score="3" Text="I have yet to see *any* feed on Twitter I'd consider &quot;worthwhile&quot;, @Rob - but last I checked, they let just about anyone create new ones, so you could certainly have a go at creating your own &quot;best-of&quot; feed there... Heck, you could even promote it with an ad here I suppose." CreationDate="2011-12-29T20:01:01.210" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="4397" PostId="2470" Score="3" Text="You have obviously not been exposed to the greatness of @Nonapeptide." CreationDate="2011-12-29T20:05:38.457" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5383" PostId="2470" Score="1" Text="@RobMoir: Take a look at this: http://quickmediasolutions.com/stackbot" CreationDate="2012-02-10T04:24:13.040" UserId="30745" />
  <row Id="4427" PostId="2471" Score="0" Text="Insert sympathies here --&gt;" CreationDate="2012-01-03T16:10:40.433" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4428" PostId="2471" Score="0" Text="In lieu of sympathy please send scotch." CreationDate="2012-01-03T17:08:43.687" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4429" PostId="2471" Score="0" Text="NICE.  Shipping is expensive.  Tell you what: I'll keep a bottle here, and you can swing by for doses when needed..." CreationDate="2012-01-03T18:10:30.067" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4430" PostId="2471" Score="0" Text="Crap.  You're in NY; you might actually take me up on that..." CreationDate="2012-01-03T18:16:57.997" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4431" PostId="2471" Score="0" Text="Only if it's good scotch." CreationDate="2012-01-03T18:17:32.677" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4439" PostId="2471" Score="0" Text="Well, I just got laid off a couple weeks ago, so no liquor for me in the meantime.  I'll probably celebrate with some Macallan when a new one is secured." CreationDate="2012-01-03T18:39:22.110" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4419" PostId="2473" Score="0" Text="So the consensus seems to be that this is a bit of a bad idea, which I can totally agree with.  Now if you'd all just vote more..." CreationDate="2011-12-31T12:23:32.167" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4420" PostId="2473" Score="1" Text="I thought it was a good *question*, and hence upvoted. But my thoughts on 'rooms designed to cause voting' are below." CreationDate="2011-12-31T14:41:27.657" UserId="3437" />
  <row Id="4413" PostId="2474" Score="0" Text="I agree that it seems a bit off, but I wanted to see what others felt." CreationDate="2011-12-31T12:11:40.277" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4544" PostId="2474" Score="0" Text="+1 If those inhabiting the room are the regulars, who are also mostly good voters, isn't that kind of like preaching to the choir? Seems really pointless to me." CreationDate="2012-01-06T02:07:45.233" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4418" PostId="2475" Score="0" Text="Sorry, I can't think of a comment for this.  Wait..." CreationDate="2011-12-31T12:22:11.183" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4414" PostId="2476" Score="0" Text="I think if there were a &quot;Vote this Up&quot; room, it would be the regulars from The Comms Room and Vote to Close who would use it, and they'd all be good at self-moderating.  Also, it'd just be for suggestions." CreationDate="2011-12-31T12:14:53.413" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4409" PostId="2477" Score="1" Text="Almost non of the closed questions are disputed so you shouldn't feel uneasy about the vtc room. Bear in mind that only 210 people on SF have vtc privilege and only about 20 of them regularly use it. The vtc room is an important janitorial tool for bringing questions that are off topic and better served elsewhere or are poor quality etc to the janitors attention." CreationDate="2011-12-30T14:00:38.253" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4416" PostId="2477" Score="2" Text="Vote to Close works well - questions come in around the clock it's nice to be able to have the crappy ones you missed while sleeping (or - god forbid - working!) pointed out." CreationDate="2011-12-31T12:18:05.677" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4415" PostId="2478" Score="0" Text="Yeah, this is one reason why I think a &quot;Vote this Up&quot; chat is a bit of a funny idea.  But since there aren't a lot of people who vote at all, I wanted to raise the idea." CreationDate="2011-12-31T12:16:02.900" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4417" PostId="2479" Score="2" Text="I think The Comms Room is working well for figuring out what some oddly-phrased questions really mean, and for regulars flagging exceptionally good questions for extra votes.  I don't think it'd be a good idea to use it for people to constantly post their &quot;top 3 questions of the day&quot; lists." CreationDate="2011-12-31T12:21:48.860" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4422" PostId="2479" Score="1" Text="@Ward definitely not - I don't think any room is a good place for that really." CreationDate="2011-12-31T22:19:38.050" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4423" PostId="2482" Score="5" Text="you're right. I've &quot;merged&quot; the tags which is a de facto mass re-tag." CreationDate="2012-01-02T14:46:02.837" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="4426" PostId="2483" Score="5" Text="CP/M -- Because nobody wants to hack THAT!" CreationDate="2012-01-03T15:59:59.970" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4457" PostId="2483" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 So I've converted you to my side?" CreationDate="2012-01-04T16:25:06.757" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5773" PostId="2483" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Secure: http://i.stack.imgur.com/DpB75.png Creation: http://i.imgur.com/gz1Si.png Choice: http://i.imgur.com/FR25D.png" CreationDate="2012-03-07T13:52:20.870" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4512" PostId="2484" Score="0" Text="In a potentially interesting note, this fragmentation may also be responsible for some of the stagnation in growth of question and answer rate that [has been observed](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2215/how-is-server-fault-doing-as-of-late-2011/2227#2227)." CreationDate="2012-01-05T01:20:53.517" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4513" PostId="2484" Score="0" Text="John Gardeniers' answer makes me feel somewhat validated that I'm not completely insane.  I took a quick look at tag-sets per sysadmin1138's suggestion.  Upon first glance, it looks like a hack, but I think that it bears actually trying out." CreationDate="2012-01-05T01:25:19.347" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4424" PostId="2486" Score="0" Text="This. I only like to migrate questions to other sites if they're un-loved here (open for a few days with very low views). And we do get a lot of flags that are not actioned asking for these migrations. I couldn't have said it better than sysadmin1138 did." CreationDate="2012-01-02T20:35:48.540" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4425" PostId="2486" Score="0" Text="All of that said, I definately would have migrated the question that the OP linked to because it's not a sysadmin question, it falls much more inside the webmaster.se site definition than ours." CreationDate="2012-01-02T20:36:44.953" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4531" PostId="2486" Score="0" Text="+1 for the tag sets" CreationDate="2012-01-05T17:17:19.020" UserId="3139" />
  <row Id="4432" PostId="2490" Score="3" Text="Um, I think we're a far cry from Wikipedia" CreationDate="2012-01-03T18:24:59.963" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4433" PostId="2490" Score="4" Text="If it didn't mention Iran I'm sure it would have been closed as off topic just like many other policy subversion questions have been." CreationDate="2012-01-03T18:27:46.347" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11835" PostId="2490" Score="0" Text="here here. The crowd here is way to close-happy." CreationDate="2013-10-16T16:16:17.370" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="4447" PostId="2491" Score="0" Text="Please quote the section in the FAQ that discusses this, as I seem to be unable to find it." CreationDate="2012-01-04T10:23:44.207" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="4450" PostId="2491" Score="0" Text="I've opened a meta on this" CreationDate="2012-01-04T15:37:59.263" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4434" PostId="2492" Score="8" Text="+100000 **&quot;Stack Exchange sites are not forums&quot;**" CreationDate="2012-01-03T18:30:45.367" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4436" PostId="2492" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Something is bugged in the voting system. I'm not seeing my answer as +100000." CreationDate="2012-01-03T18:36:28.297" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4441" PostId="2492" Score="5" Text="It's just you: http://i.imgur.com/CAKGe.png" CreationDate="2012-01-03T18:43:38.093" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4446" PostId="2492" Score="0" Text="The FAQ defines Off Topic:&#xA;Questions on Server Fault are expected to generally relate to servers, networking, or desktop infrastructure, within the scope defined in the faq.&quot;  I have not found any &quot;strict guidelines&quot; which forbid this kind of question.  Please show them to me." CreationDate="2012-01-04T10:22:46.487" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="4448" PostId="2492" Score="0" Text="Stack Exchange sites are not forums - *so don't behave like you are on a forum when you use a Stack Exchange site!*" CreationDate="2012-01-04T10:40:31.573" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="4449" PostId="2492" Score="2" Text="@dunxd `&quot;Not about: Product or service recommendations&quot;` would cover it if it weren't too localized. I also am not sure what you mean by your last comment. If you have a problem with anything I've done, flag it or open a meta post about it. If you have a problem with the voting process in general, post it on meta stack overflow. Be warned, though - they eat bad ideas alive." CreationDate="2012-01-04T14:42:26.907" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4451" PostId="2492" Score="1" Text="I also don't see where he's behaving like he's on a forum, and you seem to be taking this a little hard..." CreationDate="2012-01-04T15:41:31.240" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4458" PostId="2492" Score="0" Text="@MDMArra - how is a question asking for alternatives to the ssh protocol anything to do with &quot;products or services&quot; mentioned in the FAQ?  So if someone where to ask &quot;is there an alternative to TCP&quot; you would close the questions as off topic rather than answering &quot;perhaps UDP meets your needs&quot;?" CreationDate="2012-01-04T16:50:39.973" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="4459" PostId="2492" Score="0" Text="@Holocryptic - you're kidding right?  Top-posting.  Insider jokes. Links to photoshopped screen shots.  This whole thread reads like a Usenet thread.  Any moment now someone will mention Ahmadinejad, invoke Godwin's law and threaten to have someone banned..." CreationDate="2012-01-04T16:58:52.563" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="4462" PostId="2492" Score="3" Text="@dunxd No, I'm not kidding. And I do think you're taking this a little hard. I'm just going to leave it at that. An extended discussion on this point is... pointless." CreationDate="2012-01-04T17:42:51.150" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4464" PostId="2492" Score="2" Text="@dunxd Perhaps you should lighten up a bit. I don't see any insider jokes, just a regular one and it was in the comments, not the answer. Have you ever been to any other meta, including mso, which governs all of SE? The bottom line is that you disagree with how the **community** is chosing to moderate this **community moderated** site. You posted on meta, where **community** moderation is discussed. You didn't like the answer you got from **the community** so you keep poking and prodding. I'm sorry if you don't like the answers you're receiving but that's no reason to get heated." CreationDate="2012-01-04T17:47:03.627" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4465" PostId="2492" Score="2" Text="All that said, if you feel egregiously wronged, then go post on m.so about it. They govern all of SE and have a much wider audience. See what kind of response you get." CreationDate="2012-01-04T17:48:45.527" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4467" PostId="2492" Score="1" Text="@dunxd That photo was not photo shopped. I don't even own a copy of Photo Shop. Also link to [Meta.StackOverflow](http://meta.stackoverflow.com) for your convenience." CreationDate="2012-01-04T17:55:38.883" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4469" PostId="2492" Score="1" Text="Questions about subverting policies has NEVER been tolerated on SF to my recollection. We do not exist to help people crack sanctions imposed by their governments or their sysadmins. Same thing happens to questions asked by people who want to get to services through the Great Firewall of China, same thing applies to people asking about DRM services restricted by country, etc." CreationDate="2012-01-04T17:59:34.237" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="4471" PostId="2492" Score="0" Text="As for keeping on topic, the question was migrated to a security exchange. This wasn't about administrating systems or servers, it was about finding a way to subvert SSH blocking from a government. Keep the questions on topic. And as for Usenet, have you ever actually used Usenet?" CreationDate="2012-01-04T18:02:42.430" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="4472" PostId="2492" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS: you quote a person's message, adding your new content at the top, out of chronological order." CreationDate="2012-01-04T18:05:50.433" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="4473" PostId="2492" Score="0" Text="Adding your replies immediately at the point where it's relevant and erasing irrelevant information from quoted material is called in-line reply, and quoting their message/email and adding your reply at the bottom only is bottom-posting." CreationDate="2012-01-04T18:06:38.250" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="4474" PostId="2492" Score="0" Text="Top posting is by many considered lazy as it tends to be the Outlook default when you just hit &quot;reply&quot; and type what's on your mind and hit &quot;Send&quot;, and can lead to emails full of unreadable cruft all mixed up when several people are involved." CreationDate="2012-01-04T18:07:39.980" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="4476" PostId="2492" Score="0" Text="I really wasn't sure what top posting was. Why is that a problem? You have multiple points in your question, why should I not be allowed to take each individually and address them for both clarity and organization's sake?" CreationDate="2012-01-04T18:33:10.120" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4524" PostId="2492" Score="0" Text="It's not top posting to &lt;quote&gt; - rebuttal/address the point, &lt;quote&gt; - rebuttal/address the point. That's *inline* reply. Top posting is basically hit the &quot;reply&quot; button (quoting the previous email, normally) and spilling a response at the top and hitting send, keeping the entire contents of the previous message all below your message. If someone reads your response and thinks, &quot;What is he talking about?,&quot; he or she must scroll down and read the previous message and divine the section you were referring to." CreationDate="2012-01-05T12:04:11.870" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="4525" PostId="2492" Score="0" Text="A quick Google should find examples of top/bottom/inline posting, as it was a very hot issue in email and Usenet postings. The end result is that Outlook made it a default to top post, and since it took actual effort to edit and compose messages, lazy repliers simply hit &quot;reply&quot; and type their thought (even if it's one line in answer to a three paragraph message) and hit &quot;send,&quot; then justify after the fact. Really it boils down to &quot;I don't want to compose a message, email is a crappy instant messenger for me.&quot;" CreationDate="2012-01-05T12:06:38.200" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="4435" PostId="2494" Score="0" Text="I've flagged for migration, based on [this](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2876071#2876071)" CreationDate="2012-01-03T18:33:54.193" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4437" PostId="2494" Score="0" Text="An interesting point, but anonymity provided by tor has little to do with this, and I'm not sure how &quot;human rights&quot; can be factored in when the country the Questioner belongs to doesn't recognize any." CreationDate="2012-01-03T18:36:33.050" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4438" PostId="2494" Score="1" Text="Maybe. But if they feel it fits over on their site, who am I to judge? We know it doesn't belong here, but that doesn't mean it can't go live somewhere else happily." CreationDate="2012-01-03T18:37:58.400" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4444" PostId="2495" Score="1" Text="The tag should soon disappear." CreationDate="2012-01-04T07:23:02.783" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="4511" PostId="2495" Score="0" Text="Enchanted lava?" CreationDate="2012-01-05T00:18:41.707" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="4514" PostId="2495" Score="0" Text="@splattne Thanks! Can you add the proper tag now?" CreationDate="2012-01-05T03:03:44.347" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4523" PostId="2495" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid I'm sorry - I'd like to, but site moderators aren't allowed to add strings to the blacklisted user input table." CreationDate="2012-01-05T08:09:27.220" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="4527" PostId="2495" Score="0" Text="@splattne Tonight, ***we riot!***" CreationDate="2012-01-05T16:43:41.477" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4443" PostId="2496" Score="1" Text="It will soon disappear." CreationDate="2012-01-04T07:16:09.723" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="4478" PostId="2496" Score="1" Text="@splattne I don't want to speak for everyone, but I know I am certainly very happy with your increased meta visibility lately :)" CreationDate="2012-01-04T18:43:40.930" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4479" PostId="2496" Score="0" Text="Viva Italia!!!!" CreationDate="2012-01-04T18:45:28.227" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4486" PostId="2496" Score="2" Text="@MDMarra thanks! And Wesley: now that Berlusconi has gone, it's much less embarrassing being Italian. ;)" CreationDate="2012-01-04T20:56:13.347" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="4461" PostId="2497" Score="0" Text="BTW Holocryptic - finding a better location for the question *and asking them* about migration is really cool." CreationDate="2012-01-04T17:22:56.223" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="4466" PostId="2497" Score="0" Text="@dunxd Thank you. I generally don't like migrating crap and try to avoid it where possible. I'm willing to try to find a home for things that may not belong here, but a lot of times it is also just easier to close things outright." CreationDate="2012-01-04T17:49:39.033" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4483" PostId="2497" Score="3" Text="I had to read almost to the bottom before I realised you weren't talking about SVN!" CreationDate="2012-01-04T20:04:50.827" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4484" PostId="2497" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson LOL. I'd say read the TL;DR but that wouldn't help either :)" CreationDate="2012-01-04T20:06:31.947" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4485" PostId="2497" Score="1" Text="For some reason, my mind kept skipping the word &quot;policy:" CreationDate="2012-01-04T20:12:42.543" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4452" PostId="2498" Score="1" Text="While people will, of course, continue to post such questions, we can then point to the FAQ and say, &quot;Um, that line right there says you're doing a no-no&quot; and then close it for great justice." CreationDate="2012-01-04T16:02:12.623" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4453" PostId="2498" Score="0" Text="And the two questions you cite would remain open, as they are legitimate, professional questions." CreationDate="2012-01-04T16:03:33.433" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4454" PostId="2498" Score="0" Text="My thinking is though, that &quot;people who manage or maintain computers in a professional capacity&quot; may be a bit broad and leave enough wiggle room for just this kind of debate. We should squash it now and be done with it." CreationDate="2012-01-04T16:04:34.447" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4455" PostId="2498" Score="0" Text="I'm trying to find a legitimate example of &quot;avoidance&quot;, but the examples you've provided explicitly break the policy in question, and I'd VTC. Now if your firewall block HTTP, but there's no corporate policy to back that up, then I can see getting around it, as it's a technical problem, not a policy issue." CreationDate="2012-01-04T16:19:58.977" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4456" PostId="2498" Score="4" Text="One can argue that the answer to policy avoidance type questions for a *professional sysadmin* is &quot;Work with your organization to craft policy exceptions as necessary to support the business&quot; -- If there's no official workaround that's what we seem to suggest (based on a wholly unscientific survey of instances of this sort of question that I've seen personally)." CreationDate="2012-01-04T16:20:21.213" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4460" PostId="2498" Score="0" Text="Looking at it again, I think I was wrong in my earlier assertion and agree with @voretaq7 on this." CreationDate="2012-01-04T17:09:01.080" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4463" PostId="2498" Score="2" Text="@ChrisS Yeah, that's true - I was looking at it from the perspective of workarounds to technical issues.  I can get behind voretaq's assessment, too." CreationDate="2012-01-04T17:43:47.513" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4489" PostId="2498" Score="0" Text="I'm all for workarounds (that come down to a viable business case) - of course they should be codified as policy exceptions so the auditors don't inflict pain and suffering..." CreationDate="2012-01-04T21:24:13.077" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4475" PostId="2501" Score="6" Text="The fact that you were able to rewrite the question sans policy ambiguities means your question had technical merit in a professional setting. [SF] is for professional administrators only and there are boundaries to what we *should* answer based on that *professional* requirement. It is the community's duty to maintain the community while building a knowledge-base. Suspicious situations will be raised in Questions and for the sake of the professional community it is necessary to question the implications of policy." CreationDate="2012-01-04T18:19:09.173" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4477" PostId="2501" Score="5" Text="Upon further review I seems you're getting pretty frustrated with at least a handful of the community members, and they with you. Perhaps it would be a good idea for everyone to take a breather before someone says something they'll regret. =]" CreationDate="2012-01-04T18:38:33.010" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4503" PostId="2501" Score="2" Text="@ChrisS's point is excellent. It's all in how a problem is presented. Tell us what you need to find / do rather than why. The more &quot;whys&quot; that are known, the more likely a post is to be picked apart (regardless of who posts it). Remember, SysAdmin tend to be a &quot;how to think&quot; bunch, and not a &quot;what to think&quot; bunch." CreationDate="2012-01-04T22:03:02.650" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4480" PostId="2502" Score="1" Text="I think there's quite a few people who would disagree that Professionals must abstain from aiding and abetting policy circumvention." CreationDate="2012-01-04T19:07:59.263" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4481" PostId="2502" Score="0" Text="I agree that they should be closed, but there seemed to be enough ambiguity that I had to bring this up. If I had to bring it up here, and yet we agree that they should be closed, then a simple one-liner in the FAQ saying &quot;No subversion&quot; is warranted, I think." CreationDate="2012-01-04T19:30:06.873" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4482" PostId="2502" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS that's why it's just my $3.50 -- When I'm acting in a professional capacity (and as informal as I am on SF I consider it to be an extension of my professional sphere) that's a line I won't cross: I don't want people trying to circumvent the controls in my environment, so I won't help them do it in someone else's." CreationDate="2012-01-04T19:30:53.380" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4493" PostId="2502" Score="0" Text="Your ssh example is a legitimate question (just edit “my employer only allows” to “there is a firewall setting that I can't change”). The second question is not an administrator question but a user question, it belongs on Super User." CreationDate="2012-01-04T21:37:19.160" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="4495" PostId="2502" Score="0" Text="@Gilles I disagree. They both need to be closed. The first is a policy question, and the second is a crap question anywhere." CreationDate="2012-01-04T21:48:06.147" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4499" PostId="2502" Score="1" Text="@Gilles - What Holocryptic said.  The key difference IMHO is an allowable question immediately reduces to a business reason (&quot;We need WSUS to keep the Windows machines up to date&quot;), where a bad question doesn't (Why do you need Facebook? Why do you need to SSH into things that aren't company systems? -- The question *may* be OK based on the answer to those clarifying questions)." CreationDate="2012-01-04T21:58:56.627" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4502" PostId="2502" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 Real life example: a team is spread over several towns, and central IT takes 3 months to open a port. When the answer to these “clarifying” questions is irrelevant to answering the original question, the original question should be answered as is." CreationDate="2012-01-04T22:02:11.477" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="4508" PostId="2502" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Real life example: Company circumvents policy because it causes a &quot;now&quot; problem, auditors come in, discover circumvention, and bust the company in the next audit cycle, leaving them with a much larger problem and a bunch of people who need to be disciplined/fired because of what happened.  If you can be fired for doing it odds are you shouldn't be doing it (or you should change the policy), and **that** should be the answer any *professional* gives you.  Feel free to disagree, but you aren't going to change my mind." CreationDate="2012-01-04T22:49:41.523" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4509" PostId="2502" Score="1" Text="For the record: I think the SSH question should probably have been allowed to stay.  It is **not** however an exemplar of the larger class of &quot;policy circumvention&quot; questions.  It's a special-case exception (and I have no problem with those, but it doesn't change my feeling on the general rule)." CreationDate="2012-01-04T22:50:56.097" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4494" PostId="2503" Score="4" Text="If you need to get around something set up by another admin either through policy or ignorance, then the fix is to ***disable the the restriction***, not find a way around it. That's a policy question, not a technical one." CreationDate="2012-01-04T21:45:47.587" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4496" PostId="2503" Score="2" Text="@Holocryptic If you've done any system administration in your life, you very well know that sometimes the other administrator doesn't reply, or doesn't know how, or can't be bothered, or is on an extended tour of Antarctica while your users have a customer on their heels with his lawyers on speed dial." CreationDate="2012-01-04T21:49:40.390" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="4500" PostId="2503" Score="0" Text="@Gilles The scenarios that you refer to are extremely few and far between, at least as topics on ServerFault. Secondly, those questions can be rephrased to avoid any explicit mention of subverting existing controls. The Iran/SSH question could have simply been &quot;How can I tunnel SSH out of nonstandard ports?&quot; and in that case it would have been allowable." CreationDate="2012-01-04T21:59:52.263" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4501" PostId="2503" Score="3" Text="&quot;It is rather common for a professional system administrator to need to circumvent a restriction put in place by another system administrator ... ***by policy***&quot; &lt;- No way; *I do not*, in my professional role as an administrator, deliberately circumvent corporate or legal policy. Circumventing a technical restriction that *does not conflict* with policy is completely normal, but that is explicitly not what this Question is in regards to." CreationDate="2012-01-04T21:59:57.580" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4504" PostId="2503" Score="1" Text="@WesleyDavid In other words, to get a good answer on Server Fault, you need to lie. Right, that's really professional." CreationDate="2012-01-04T22:03:11.413" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="4505" PostId="2503" Score="0" Text="@Gilles No, in other words, to get a good answer on ServerFault, we don't need the backstory. Just the facts." CreationDate="2012-01-04T22:05:29.540" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4506" PostId="2503" Score="1" Text="@WesleyDavid Hold on, I was the one arguing that “Questions should be evaluated on their technical merit alone”." CreationDate="2012-01-04T22:16:22.140" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="4507" PostId="2503" Score="3" Text="@Gilles You've got that part right. However, we can't ignore when people reveal *more* than just the facts. If someone asks a question that's technically okay, but then reveals that it's to do unlawful things, then we can't *ever* come under the shadow of suspicion concerning helping people break laws or rules. Even if those laws are made by entities that we may completely disagree with. =/" CreationDate="2012-01-04T22:27:19.957" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4510" PostId="2504" Score="6" Text="This is especially true of security.SE and dba.SE -- Both are highly relevant to sysadmins; Neither site has a signal-to-noise ratio (when viewed from a &quot;relevant to my job&quot; standpoint) that keeps me going there daily." CreationDate="2012-01-04T23:18:25.263" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4529" PostId="2504" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 - definitely try it by tags. I use 30-odd SE sites, so it wouldn't be useful to visit them all and trawl through, so I have a tag set which I look at a couple of times a day and follow the links to whichever site has the question. I also do a fair bit of 'ignored tags' on some sites just to help with this. It just cuts down the 'noise' to a better level." CreationDate="2012-01-05T16:55:54.860" UserId="62544" />
  <row Id="4530" PostId="2504" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 One counterpoint: Security.SE has a lot of professionals who are focused on that. When answers from SF are migrated to us or we come here looking, we sometimes see ridiculous or wrong answers that are highly upvoted. Also, we were recently home to highly voted yet closed as off-topic question: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/10340/what-alternatives-are-there-when-ssh-is-being-actively-filtered (http://serverfault.com/questions/345962/alternative-for-ssh?noredirect=1)" CreationDate="2012-01-05T17:16:40.910" UserId="3139" />
  <row Id="4538" PostId="2504" Score="3" Text="@Jeff, **every** SE site gets its share of highly upvoted ridiculous or wrong answers. Of course those on a given site may not even be aware of just how wrong some answers are, as you are hinting at in regards to SF. Also, as pointed out in one of the comments to the linked question, upvotes are no indication of whether or not it's on topic." CreationDate="2012-01-05T20:46:12.060" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4547" PostId="2504" Score="0" Text="@JefFerland: Voting on SF is erratic and sometimes perverse. If that question hadn't mentioned $EvilEmpireOfYourChoice it would have been closed as off topic with a much lower (if any) number of votes." CreationDate="2012-01-06T07:40:48.867" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4498" PostId="2505" Score="0" Text="Just because people don't read them, doesn't mean that we shouldn't specify it in the FAQ (or rules, or whatever you want to call them; it's the same thing). It's not like this would be a huge expansive change, and it adds a lot of clarification on what seems to be a contentious point." CreationDate="2012-01-04T21:52:34.160" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4517" PostId="2506" Score="1" Text="Given that it's not in the least bit programming related, at least no more so than the transport a programmer uses to get to work, I'm curios why you think it belongs on SO. It's definitely wrong for SF." CreationDate="2012-01-05T04:15:26.627" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4518" PostId="2506" Score="0" Text="Question needs more upvotes to encourage polite requests for clarification on migration appropriateness." CreationDate="2012-01-05T04:20:37.043" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4519" PostId="2506" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers an unposted version of my question actually contained &quot;I'm not sure if it's suitable for stack overflow either&quot; but I removed the line, since it's not very constructive. Thanks for everyone's advice, I'm going to flag it as off topic." CreationDate="2012-01-05T05:42:30.763" UserId="105982" />
  <row Id="4515" PostId="2507" Score="5" Text="I'd go with infamous..." CreationDate="2012-01-05T03:53:03.380" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4516" PostId="2508" Score="2" Text="It's amazing to see what was not only tolerated but readily accepted on SF in ancient times (a year or two ago)." CreationDate="2012-01-05T04:12:31.910" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4522" PostId="2508" Score="1" Text="I can't wait for the day when @WesleyDavid runs out of amusing implements of tag destruction.  Or all the days until then.  Keep up the good work :)" CreationDate="2012-01-05T05:57:57.887" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4526" PostId="2508" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden Kill it with furious kitten clawings. Kill it with catnip. Kill it by burying it in the litter box..." CreationDate="2012-01-05T15:55:50.457" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4520" PostId="2509" Score="0" Text="For what it's worth, I'm running the &quot;Server&quot; version of Lion on my workstation and it really isn't a server OS. These days it's just a $50 one time purchase (for every machine you own) that adds a few GUI tools to services that are mostly on the client version as well. I can see why people wouldn't bother to add &quot;Server&quot; to the name, especially in Lion." CreationDate="2012-01-05T05:45:23.463" UserId="105982" />
  <row Id="4521" PostId="2509" Score="0" Text="@AbhiBeckert Exactly. That's also equally confusing when people run a legit server with the non &quot;Server&quot; OS because it's not a cut-and-dried case of &quot;Not a Server OS - Instant Close!&quot; It's no less legit than using Debian Etch to run a server off of which could just as easily be running on someone's laptop." CreationDate="2012-01-05T05:47:17.370" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4528" PostId="2510" Score="1" Text="Actually, [fun] is on my list of tags to bring up for destruction. =|" CreationDate="2012-01-05T16:45:00.070" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4532" PostId="2511" Score="2" Text="Hmm. Having a &quot;fun&quot; tag is contrary to our surly natures." CreationDate="2012-01-05T17:42:17.880" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="4533" PostId="2511" Score="5" Text="@BartSilverstrim I have LOTS of fun - of course my users are consequently miserable..." CreationDate="2012-01-05T17:44:18.813" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4535" PostId="2511" Score="0" Text="I've got an old-school Thwack-o-matic I'll get out of the basement for this, when it's time." CreationDate="2012-01-05T17:58:49.737" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4536" PostId="2511" Score="0" Text="16 people are watching the tag btw." CreationDate="2012-01-05T18:00:21.150" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4539" PostId="2511" Score="2" Text="I used to have fun - then I started working for a living." CreationDate="2012-01-05T20:48:54.113" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4534" PostId="2512" Score="1" Text="horrible, painful, lingering death?" CreationDate="2012-01-05T17:56:03.337" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4537" PostId="2514" Score="3" Text="And by &quot;browse&quot; you mean &quot;talk about the defecation habits of my cat.&quot;" CreationDate="2012-01-05T19:59:07.353" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4545" PostId="2515" Score="1" Text="Very well said. Like the Internet itself, diversity -- and putting the right question in front of the right experts -- is always the goal. There are (n) sides to every question, it just depends what your Primary focus is. (I think too that individual communities are a little selfish internally and want to control all related topics.. )" CreationDate="2012-01-06T03:58:55.537" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="4548" PostId="2515" Score="0" Text="And yet despite everything, SO has not been split up into different sub-communities/interest groups (or whatever you care to call them), even though it's the best candidate for splitting up that I know of on SE." CreationDate="2012-01-06T09:49:13.220" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4550" PostId="2515" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers None of the sites has been split up. There are overlapping communities, e.g. SO/DBA, SO/Gamedev." CreationDate="2012-01-06T11:06:40.863" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="4540" PostId="2516" Score="0" Text="This is getting tweeted too!" CreationDate="2012-01-05T23:41:56.620" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4541" PostId="2516" Score="4" Text="@ShaneMadden Don't hate me because I'm awesome." CreationDate="2012-01-05T23:42:38.983" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4542" PostId="2516" Score="0" Text="I think someone needs to invent products with names/acronyms &quot;fun&quot;, &quot;fail&quot;, &quot;humour&quot; etc." CreationDate="2012-01-06T00:59:12.743" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="4543" PostId="2516" Score="1" Text="And here's me trying to search for a humorous fail, just for fun." CreationDate="2012-01-06T01:56:57.023" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4546" PostId="2517" Score="3" Text="[tag:error] was next on my list and now that you bring it up, fault and crash *would* be on that list. It adds nothing and doesn't seem to help searches either for solutions or people looking to contribute." CreationDate="2012-01-06T04:18:16.840" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4549" PostId="2517" Score="3" Text="If we &quot;need&quot; tags like `error`, `fault` and `crash` then perhaps we should also create and start using `running-properly`, `all-good`, `stable`, etc." CreationDate="2012-01-06T10:01:14.400" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4551" PostId="2517" Score="0" Text="These are tags that naturally reoccur, so we'll either have to convince the devs to blacklist them or remember to go through every so often and purge." CreationDate="2012-01-06T12:49:48.040" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4552" PostId="2517" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers You forgot about `I-like-turtles`" CreationDate="2012-01-06T17:09:28.160" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4553" PostId="2517" Score="1" Text="Oh, and downvoted to show disagreement with an idea, but I still think you're swell." CreationDate="2012-01-06T17:10:28.563" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4556" PostId="2517" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138: That's fairy easy - you just have to mail them and ask and reference the discussion. I think they have to have no questions attached too but that should be fairly easy as they just being deleted rather than retagged." CreationDate="2012-01-06T20:17:47.297" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4558" PostId="2517" Score="0" Text="@iain When adding to the blacklist, it's best to have bigbig numbers in the answer voting. So we have a ways to go before we get there." CreationDate="2012-01-06T20:31:33.910" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4560" PostId="2517" Score="1" Text="[vmware](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1316/can-the-vmware-tag-be-deleted) and [amazon](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1706/please-block-the-amazon-tag) which are both blacklisted had no more support that @wesleydavis's current proposal does." CreationDate="2012-01-06T20:36:56.517" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4559" PostId="2519" Score="0" Text="As per the numbers above there aren't many and if removed none would result in [tag:untagged] questions." CreationDate="2012-01-06T20:31:50.550" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4554" PostId="2520" Score="0" Text="Can you post a screenshot?" CreationDate="2012-01-06T20:10:21.290" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4557" PostId="2520" Score="0" Text="Somehow, I knew you'd ask :-)" CreationDate="2012-01-06T20:21:28.860" UserId="106081" />
  <row Id="4561" PostId="2521" Score="3" Text="Oh boy.  I looked that list over a few times, I don't know how I missed that!  *blushing*  Thanks MDMama" CreationDate="2012-01-06T20:45:29.130" UserId="106081" />
  <row Id="4562" PostId="2521" Score="3" Text="Always listen to mama." CreationDate="2012-01-06T21:33:38.517" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4563" PostId="2521" Score="0" Text="No freehand circles?!?" CreationDate="2012-01-06T21:51:26.153" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="4564" PostId="2521" Score="0" Text="Freehand circles are too SO for me. I think SF should have jagged red arrows." CreationDate="2012-01-06T22:27:25.633" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4565" PostId="2521" Score="0" Text="I missed that too... I even read that rep chart two or three times!" CreationDate="2012-01-07T00:05:20.233" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4566" PostId="2523" Score="1" Text="The ports tag only has 4 questions in it.... If the fact that the software is in the ports tree has any relevance to the question the fact should be be communicated through the tag. Same with the version tags. I might have different feelings if the tags were well used, but they're not." CreationDate="2012-01-07T03:23:27.610" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4567" PostId="2523" Score="1" Text="The fact that the tags aren't used is the best argument for merging them.  If it turns out that we have another apocalyptic upheaval like the 4.x-&gt;5.x transition we may want to revisit version number tags, but barring that we're probably better off with one tag (this is also symmetrical with what we have for NetBSD &amp; OpenBSD)." CreationDate="2012-01-07T21:39:30.570" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4572" PostId="2528" Score="1" Text="Windows Domain != Active Directory. There are still people running NT systems. Perhaps they shouldn't be but that's a separate issue." CreationDate="2012-01-08T20:46:15.457" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4574" PostId="2528" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Yes, that's what I was thinking too. Updated my answer." CreationDate="2012-01-08T21:43:54.040" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4575" PostId="2528" Score="1" Text="Also Samba is effectively NT4 domains (Samba 4 is effectively AD), but those questions tend to be tagged as such." CreationDate="2012-01-08T23:02:20.433" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="4568" PostId="2531" Score="0" Text="This has been covered many times on mSO, most popularly in [Fastest Gun in the West Problem](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/9731/fastest-gun-in-the-west-problem). I don't think SE will change their position on this, but you're welcome to take it up with them." CreationDate="2012-01-08T11:50:51.403" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="4576" PostId="2531" Score="0" Text="@jscott: Thanks for your response - I didn't think to search mSO, and that didn't seem to show up mSF when I looked for similar questions. That question definitely makes for interesting reading - and appears to cover pretty much every angle possible. (I do rather like 'Evan Miller/Reddit, etc' approach, though). I likewise agree with the point that a quick answer is exactly what the original poster is sometimes after (although, I usually use comments for that, even though that may not be ideal)." CreationDate="2012-01-09T04:41:06.020" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="4577" PostId="2534" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the response. In retrospect I believe my own experience on the site does agree with yours. I have found myself expecting there to be multiple answers by the time I post mine, but invariably this is not true. Questioner: agree - although, I usually post 'short' quick answers as a comment (possibly because my academic background cares more about the why/how than just the solution) - your explanation does highlight some harm in that though. [...continued]" CreationDate="2012-01-09T05:13:59.040" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="4578" PostId="2534" Score="0" Text="Answerers: agree, although, I hope that there is the thrill of solving a puzzle in there somewhere (and maybe even helping someone else) - although those are harder to quantify. Electorate: paritially agree - only the top ~300 voters (out of 69k users!) have more than 250 votes. It is usually easy to distinguish utter refuse from the rest, but to judge correctness on two plausible answers does require some knowledge of the topic. [...continued]" CreationDate="2012-01-09T05:14:05.763" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="4579" PostId="2534" Score="0" Text="I think it is that most people just don't read random questions (and answers) - they read a question for a purpose (and great example with the 'contrast' - common marketing technique). Long Tail: partially agree - I like the thourough answers (both when looking for a solution and posting one) as it provides an opportunity to look into the material in more depth and learn something new. As for the canonical answers, I have found that are sometimes duplicated to a comm. wiki. Excellent points overall - thanks for sharing your perspective." CreationDate="2012-01-09T05:14:12.127" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="4570" PostId="2538" Score="2" Text="&quot;not enough people vote...&quot; I'm doing my best!" CreationDate="2012-01-08T20:19:39.287" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4571" PostId="2538" Score="1" Text="You are the exception..." CreationDate="2012-01-08T20:29:10.680" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4573" PostId="2538" Score="3" Text="&quot;not enough people vote...&quot; Sometimes there just isn't a reason to vote. There are some really great answers but the majority are mediocre at best - mine included." CreationDate="2012-01-08T20:54:11.420" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4580" PostId="2538" Score="0" Text="@Mark Henderson: Thanks for the feedback. The random arrangement doesn't fully address the problem - only a small percent of users vote (a real problem as you point out) - which means that there is likely a (small) time delay between votes. This results in the first upvoted answer rising to the top, negating the random sort, and causing a positive feedback loop. It also somewhat disadvantages answers that arive say 15 minutes later (although, as per sysadmin1138 answer, these will likely rise over a longer period of time)." CreationDate="2012-01-09T05:14:24.093" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="4581" PostId="2538" Score="0" Text="@John Gardeniers: I think that part of the issue here is that people assign different meanings to their 'up vote'. To one person it may mean that the answer is right, to another it might mean that the answer is outstanding, etc. If the meaning was standardized (or arguably, if you could cast one up vote for 'correct' and two for 'exceptional') I think it would result in more votes." CreationDate="2012-01-09T05:14:30.100" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="4582" PostId="2538" Score="0" Text="And sometimes you get answers that are both correct *and* outstanding, like this: http://serverfault.com/a/347786/7709" CreationDate="2012-01-09T05:23:47.897" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4589" PostId="2538" Score="0" Text="@cyberx86, you are perfectly correct and there's nothing wrong with that. Nevertheless, well written questions and answers do get more votes." CreationDate="2012-01-09T21:16:25.753" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4583" PostId="2540" Score="0" Text="I don't think questions about AD-the-service are really distinct from AD-the-domain-entity -- in either case as you pointed out `HALP! MAH AD SERVICE IS B0RKED AND WONT START!!` and `HALP! HOW IS AD SCHEMA EXTENDEDED?` are both questions about the same family of things so I think grouping them makes sense." CreationDate="2012-01-09T16:36:27.827" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4584" PostId="2541" Score="8" Text="Community authoring an original post? For $DIETY sake, someone teach these devs about least-permission :)" CreationDate="2012-01-09T20:31:54.740" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4585" PostId="2541" Score="1" Text="Jokes, of course. Please don't perma-ban me." CreationDate="2012-01-09T20:32:11.317" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4586" PostId="2541" Score="4" Text="2 positions seems a little light.  Unless nobody's up for re-election?   Are we just filling Chopper3's post and adding one more?" CreationDate="2012-01-09T20:46:55.587" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4587" PostId="2541" Score="8" Text="Or just covering for me ;)" CreationDate="2012-01-09T21:01:58.173" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="4588" PostId="2541" Score="3" Text="Chopper3 *was* a flag-handling fiend after all." CreationDate="2012-01-09T21:15:45.937" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4590" PostId="2541" Score="5" Text="Just been having a look at the candidates so far and have to say, it's not going to be easy to decide where my votes go. At some point or other I've &quot;disagreed&quot; with all of them but they're all good candidates." CreationDate="2012-01-09T21:29:42.037" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4593" PostId="2541" Score="2" Text="... OK really, who downvotes the community elections post? &lt;Foamy-the-squirrel&gt; I want names people! **Give Me Names!** &lt;/Foamy-the-squirrel&gt;" CreationDate="2012-01-10T00:42:19.517" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4628" PostId="2541" Score="0" Text="[ServerFault Moderator Elections -- Useful Statistics](http://se.awio.com/election.html) &lt;-- Click on ServerFault under completed elections, it's pulling 2012's data :)" CreationDate="2012-01-10T21:51:13.773" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4591" PostId="2542" Score="2" Text="I have to agree. Given how overworked the mods seem to be at times, I don't think its a job I would want to take on right now with these proposed changes." CreationDate="2012-01-09T23:34:19.323" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4592" PostId="2542" Score="2" Text="@RobMoir see I'm willing to take on moderation, but not to the exclusion of what I enjoy about the site (answering interesting questions, schooling newbies on why we don't use consumber 5-port hubs in enterprise infrastructure, and hanging out in chat) -- worst case I figure I could do moderation-by-calendar and alternate days." CreationDate="2012-01-09T23:42:26.627" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4594" PostId="2542" Score="0" Text="Is this need for a third across the board or is the problem confined to only some time zones? If the latter then that should be considered when choosing the candidate." CreationDate="2012-01-10T01:21:59.170" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4595" PostId="2542" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers Without a historical trend of the mod queue it would be hard to say, but my impression is there's &quot;enough junk&quot; that mods spend more time doing mod-things (cleanup, migrations, spam-fighting) than answering questions/voting/etc. ; In either case though I think we need to add more than one (net) moderator position..." CreationDate="2012-01-10T02:11:06.773" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4655" PostId="2542" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers - if you take a look at here: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2551/ - there is a huge gap in the # of moderators avaliable during when you and I are awake :(" CreationDate="2012-01-11T10:55:07.553" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4674" PostId="2542" Score="0" Text="@Mark, that hadn't been posted when I asked the question but you're right, &quot;our&quot; period is the emptiest." CreationDate="2012-01-11T20:26:31.363" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4597" PostId="2544" Score="4" Text="&quot;Dealing with sheer flag volume is one aspect of this (which most of us can't speak to), the other is community faith in the moderators. Inactive or semi-inactive moderators may not be equipped to deal with flags appropriately; and even if they are, their lack of visibility to the community leaves a perception that they're disconnected from it.&quot; +1 on that alone. Not trying to throw anyone under the bus, but that is exactly the perception." CreationDate="2012-01-10T04:58:06.563" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4601" PostId="2544" Score="0" Text="`The Stack Overflow opinion is that moderators are moderators for life.` … or until they stand down.  I would argue that the federal bench is the best analog for moderator positions: Lifetime appointment, we add more judges if we need them (based on case load), and when one retires we fill the vacant seat *in addition* to any new seats we're adding." CreationDate="2012-01-10T08:45:10.653" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4625" PostId="2544" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7, that might be the way the federal bench is handled where you are but elsewhere things are done differently. While both systems have their strengths and weaknesses, lifers in anything are rarely as valuable as someone who has to earn a position." CreationDate="2012-01-10T21:19:48.073" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4627" PostId="2544" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers Very true - the lifer logic is that you can be truly independent (absent gross misconduct and impeachment), but the flip side is the lifer who only comes to work every other Tuesday for 3 hours (mods who move on &amp; go inactive).  // Interestingly in the US we have a mix of both - Lower court judgeships are often regular elected offices with a set term (that typically gets longer as you climb the ladder: My village court is a 3-year term, NY State Supreme Court is 14 years).  Perhaps StackOverflow would like to guinea pig that model for us? :-)" CreationDate="2012-01-10T21:33:54.997" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4633" PostId="2544" Score="3" Text="**Info:** In the last 30 days, SF moderators have handled 652 flags. That's 21.7 a day, or .9 an hour. They tend to come in bursts, though." CreationDate="2012-01-10T23:52:27.993" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4596" PostId="2545" Score="3" Text="Not withstand that Iain will probably win a spot, I'd disagree that there should be any appointments as long as we're going through the election exercise." CreationDate="2012-01-10T04:57:08.483" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4600" PostId="2545" Score="2" Text="I would agree with @ChrisS -- It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Iain will wind up with a shiny new diamond at the end of the election, but as a &quot;mature&quot; site (out of beta, many users meeting the eligible-to-vote criteria) an appointment isn't really appropriate.  Better to let the electoral process do its thing and just add an extra slot to make up for Chopper3 standing down.  (In fact it's probably a good general policy that when mods stand down an &quot;replacement slot&quot; is added to the next election)" CreationDate="2012-01-10T08:40:16.917" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4747" PostId="2547" Score="1" Text="Did we get completely ignored on this subject?" CreationDate="2012-01-14T01:10:00.023" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="4779" PostId="2547" Score="2" Text="@pauska No, you were not ignored.  Just timing things to go with the switchover from nomination to primary. (:" CreationDate="2012-01-16T18:03:57.820" UserId="21550" />
  <row Id="4598" PostId="2550" Score="3" Text="+1 leave it unless it *really* doesn't belong on SF." CreationDate="2012-01-10T06:15:26.173" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4599" PostId="2550" Score="3" Text="I completely agree with Mark and Chris. Also, if a question gets *no answers* (in a period of let's say &gt; two weeks), I guess I would consider moving the question to a sister site." CreationDate="2012-01-10T07:58:38.313" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="4621" PostId="2551" Score="0" Text="Haha we both had the same idea. See my answer below." CreationDate="2012-01-10T20:57:48.757" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4623" PostId="2551" Score="0" Text="Mark: &lt;grin&gt; good for you!  Would you prefer to use your version, or mine?  I must demur in that I won't use google SaaS generally, so you'll be doing the upkeep if your version is used." CreationDate="2012-01-10T21:09:53.343" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="4626" PostId="2551" Score="0" Text="Im happy to maintain my one, but it's your question so you do what you like :)" CreationDate="2012-01-10T21:23:48.180" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4602" PostId="2552" Score="0" Text="so that would be between 0600UTC and 0300UTC?" CreationDate="2012-01-10T10:09:50.647" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="4603" PostId="2552" Score="0" Text="Nope, edited for clarity." CreationDate="2012-01-10T10:31:01.447" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="4606" PostId="2554" Score="2" Text="You should link to the question you worry about so others might see it and vote accordingly if they agree, but I doubt that we would choose to overrule it, as our mods usually make really good decisions." CreationDate="2012-01-10T13:03:37.237" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="4607" PostId="2554" Score="5" Text="[This](http://serverfault.com/questions/347797/advice-guides-for-building-and-expandable-virtual-environment) is likely to be the closed question that caused this. Bear in mind, howerver, that none of the &quot;voted-to-closers&quot; were mods, just high-rep users with the ability for &quot;vote-to-close&quot; (also 3k rep)." CreationDate="2012-01-10T13:09:39.397" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="4608" PostId="2554" Score="1" Text="You should post in the meta website with details of the question asking why a question was closed and/or asking why it should not have been. If people with enough reputation agree that the question should not have been closed, or if you can edit it so that it no longer deserves to be closed, then people will vote to re-open a question." CreationDate="2012-01-10T13:11:09.240" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4609" PostId="2554" Score="0" Text="Also, as the commentor says, you need someone that has the time to spent analysing your needs rather than getting a couple of pointers from people on a web site." CreationDate="2012-01-10T13:12:05.140" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="4645" PostId="2554" Score="0" Text="@tombull89 Thanks for that info, I thought it was Mods only, cheers :)" CreationDate="2012-01-11T08:58:31.590" UserId="76598" />
  <row Id="4647" PostId="2554" Score="0" Text="@Rob Moir, Thanks for your input Rob. I am disappointed the question was closed for the reason given. For many questions asked on the StackExchange sites, there is no definitive right or wrong answer, and multiple ways to achieve the desired results, so a dead pan factual answer can't be given. I don't think closing a question because it will cause debate or solicit opinions is OK. I want the opinions of people who have been in the same situation as me, that is some of the greatest knowledge I could receive. [Closed question for reference: http://tinyurl.com/7vmw6fj]" CreationDate="2012-01-11T09:07:07.883" UserId="76598" />
  <row Id="4649" PostId="2554" Score="0" Text="Javano - the whole point of the main stack exchange sites, at the very least, is that they're supposed to deal with clearly defined, factual questions, and that questions that devolve into opinions and debate are **not** ok. That's part of the &quot;constitution&quot;, if you like, of Server Fault, Stack Overflow and Super User. There is a place for those kind of questions, I agree, but that place *isn't here*." CreationDate="2012-01-11T09:25:46.470" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4650" PostId="2554" Score="0" Text="Now if you wanted to argue that we sometimes apply that rule too rigidly then I might agree, and if you wanted to show how that had happened here then people would consider your point. But simply saying opinions should be allowed here because you want them isn't going to get you very far, I'm afraid. (see http://serverfault.com/faq#dontask )" CreationDate="2012-01-11T09:26:05.893" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4651" PostId="2554" Score="0" Text="I understand, thanks Rob." CreationDate="2012-01-11T09:26:23.443" UserId="76598" />
  <row Id="4604" PostId="2555" Score="0" Text="Ah I see, so presumably I don't have enough rep as I don't see such an option available to me?" CreationDate="2012-01-10T12:51:11.627" UserId="76598" />
  <row Id="4605" PostId="2555" Score="3" Text="You need 3000 rep, see the [faq] for more details." CreationDate="2012-01-10T12:54:54.320" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="4611" PostId="2556" Score="0" Text="I'll hold my hands up to not being as active as I should be during UK daytime, mainly because of Work, but that should start to pickup again now. That said the volume of flags we see before the US wakes up is usually quite low." CreationDate="2012-01-10T14:31:47.433" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="4612" PostId="2556" Score="0" Text="&quot;Certain users&quot; &lt;_&lt;" CreationDate="2012-01-10T16:03:54.420" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4622" PostId="2558" Score="0" Text="It may be worth mentioning that those with sufficient rep can just edit to their heart's content but there's nothing stopping someone else with enough rep from either rolling back the edit or editing it again. Just sometimes this can turn into a bit of an editing war." CreationDate="2012-01-10T21:04:26.203" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4629" PostId="2558" Score="0" Text="I know about edit wars (though I've been spared experiencing one thankfully). Over at Wikipedia [I'm](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DavidDouthitt) a [Wikifærie](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiFairy) (a/k/a copyeditor). But others may not know about [edit wars](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edit_wars)." CreationDate="2012-01-10T22:28:49.637" UserId="8263" />
  <row Id="4615" PostId="2559" Score="0" Text="Even though someone else actually answered the questions... this is the _best_ answer! Thanks! I hope that question becomes a FAQ, as it really should." CreationDate="2012-01-10T16:50:46.543" UserId="8263" />
  <row Id="4617" PostId="2561" Score="2" Text="I have to disagree with  `All of the stack exchange sites know which site a question should be migrated to` SO are appallingly bad at migrations." CreationDate="2012-01-10T17:38:41.833" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4624" PostId="2561" Score="1" Text="@Iain, indeed they are and more than once they've migrated pure programming questions to SF. I'd also add that a person asking a question on the wrong site should not be considered an innocent. In nearly all cases a read of the FAQ would have prevented it." CreationDate="2012-01-10T21:10:32.547" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4613" PostId="2563" Score="9" Text="I never pegged you for an optimist..." CreationDate="2012-01-10T16:33:34.973" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="4614" PostId="2563" Score="0" Text="I agree, I'm a student myself and hopefully a junior at the end of this year. I'd like this way of working. If you are going to test this I'd gladly be a test subject :)" CreationDate="2012-01-10T16:37:02.300" UserId="86280" />
  <row Id="4616" PostId="2563" Score="4" Text="@Bart - I bet you'd love to peg me any way you could ;)" CreationDate="2012-01-10T17:17:42.543" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="4618" PostId="2563" Score="1" Text="I'd certainly be up for getting involved in that. I had considered joining the LOPSA version but it seems very US centric." CreationDate="2012-01-10T17:58:50.947" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="4619" PostId="2563" Score="0" Text="@chopper3 - After that sports clothing advice you gave once, it would probably involve a large rock to the head..." CreationDate="2012-01-10T18:30:44.743" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="4631" PostId="2563" Score="0" Text="This could work well, especially if they could be encouraged to participate in answering the simpler questions as part of the deal, which would help them learn and might even improve the answers to those questions for the people asking them, come to think of it." CreationDate="2012-01-10T22:34:33.237" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4635" PostId="2563" Score="0" Text="@Sam LOPSA's also seems very concerned with liability - which is reasonable I suppose." CreationDate="2012-01-11T02:37:08.777" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4641" PostId="2564" Score="0" Text="No problem :) I get it :)" CreationDate="2012-01-11T08:06:21.843" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="4620" PostId="2567" Score="4" Text="That's very suspicious. Who ever heard of a sysadmin having a &quot;real life&quot;." CreationDate="2012-01-10T20:46:43.403" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4632" PostId="2568" Score="0" Text="Ya know... it would be good to get chopper3's historic schedule. Just so we know." CreationDate="2012-01-10T23:35:38.787" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4634" PostId="2568" Score="0" Text="I agree. I'll ask him if I see him on chat" CreationDate="2012-01-11T01:50:10.303" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4638" PostId="2568" Score="0" Text="It's *very* obvious where our time deficiency is (00-09), and there's scarilly low numbers of candidates in that timeframe as well (from 00-07 anyway)." CreationDate="2012-01-11T06:55:09.030" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4658" PostId="2568" Score="0" Text="I agree. I was much better positioned when I was on the US West Coast (three hours ---&gt; thataway)." CreationDate="2012-01-11T12:33:33.963" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4659" PostId="2568" Score="0" Text="Is there any data that can be shared about flags and other moderator activitys over the same time period?" CreationDate="2012-01-11T13:45:43.423" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4673" PostId="2568" Score="0" Text="@Iain - not that I can find :(" CreationDate="2012-01-11T19:38:19.797" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4630" PostId="2569" Score="1" Text="&quot;especially the very key part about SF being for professionals.&quot; - someone taking their first job inside a profession is still a professional. Or at least close enough to deserve the benefit of the doubt." CreationDate="2012-01-10T22:33:04.193" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4636" PostId="2569" Score="0" Text="@Rob, true but how does that apply to students?" CreationDate="2012-01-11T03:44:50.457" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4642" PostId="2569" Score="0" Text="John, well that depends on what Chopper meant by &quot;student&quot;. I think he was talking about being sympathetic towards junior sysadmins, not doing homework for schoolkids." CreationDate="2012-01-11T08:08:37.673" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4646" PostId="2569" Score="1" Text="I totally appreciate that SF is almost certainly not the place to do this but I just like the idea of us 'adopting' a smart newbie and helping them. 99% of questions by new sysadmins or student ARE utterly crappy and they don't deserve the time to answer them but there must be at least one humble, switched-on guy out there who'd respond really well to a bunch of us taking some time with them and along the way documenting some basic stuff in a slightly less rigid way than the Q&amp;A format dictates. No idea what to do with the idea though tbh, just want to add somehow." CreationDate="2012-01-11T09:04:36.513" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="4675" PostId="2569" Score="0" Text="@Chopper, how would we identify the chosen candidate(s)? In the real world you could just make them wear a hat with a flashing red light on top but that wouldn't work here... or would it? I wonder whatever happened to that kid (can't recall his name) who used to participate here. At 15 years old we all knew he was only a student but he was such a standout that it was easily overlooked." CreationDate="2012-01-11T20:28:08.117" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4685" PostId="2569" Score="0" Text="I'm thinking runes" CreationDate="2012-01-11T22:32:39.913" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="4640" PostId="2571" Score="0" Text="Not that you're not a wonderful moderator, but may I say that graphing that half-hour from 1230-1300 was a right pain in the bum? ;)" CreationDate="2012-01-11T08:02:54.487" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="4657" PostId="2571" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter &quot;But it happens a lot,&quot; he said, over cereal." CreationDate="2012-01-11T12:28:38.430" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4661" PostId="2571" Score="1" Text="If you find that a pain in the bum happens a lot over cereal, you should probably cut down on the high-fibre ones ;-)" CreationDate="2012-01-11T14:54:49.437" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="4690" PostId="2573" Score="2" Text="I will decline a flag, even one made in good faith, if I've noticed a pattern I want to discourage. Generally that one correction is enough to get the flagger nudged in the right direction. These days, any time I click decline I hear about it in meta more often than not, which gives me a chance to clarify why. Mark nailed it." CreationDate="2012-01-12T00:35:17.243" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4681" PostId="2574" Score="0" Text="How do you feel about an answer that answers a different question (e.g. &quot;Q: What is 1+1? A: Blue&quot;)?" CreationDate="2012-01-11T21:49:32.963" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="4689" PostId="2574" Score="1" Text="Wrong answers need downvotes. Answers answering the wrong question need downvotes; they're still an answer, just a wrong one. Incomprehensible [word salad](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad) can get the ax since they aren't anything." CreationDate="2012-01-12T00:31:14.373" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4692" PostId="2574" Score="0" Text="@ScottPack - it's very odd that something like that would get the a checkmark, but in any case, it still deserves just a downvote *and a comment* (because usally the answerer is just confused). If it gets three, the poster can get a badge for deleting it themselves!" CreationDate="2012-01-12T02:35:42.113" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4697" PostId="2574" Score="2" Text="When is an answer not an answer? When it makes no attempt to answer the question posed. At that point it's no better than random monkey thrashing." CreationDate="2012-01-12T07:56:59.337" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4660" PostId="2576" Score="0" Text="See last year's list of questions: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1108/list-of-questions-for-candidates-in-2011-moderator-election" CreationDate="2012-01-11T14:36:18.973" UserId="68739" />
  <row Id="4672" PostId="2576" Score="4" Text="Why is this being downvoted and closed? It was valid last year." CreationDate="2012-01-11T16:35:01.227" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4682" PostId="2576" Score="0" Text="Looking over last year's question, I don't think it worked too well.  Questions were asked as answers to the overall question, then answers from each candidate were edited into each of those.  It's just a bit much to wade through.  I'd vote to re-close, except I can't." CreationDate="2012-01-11T21:54:48.213" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4694" PostId="2576" Score="2" Text="The more I think on it the more I'm agreeing with Iain &amp; Ward: the all-in-one-place aspect is nice, but answering in comments is somewhat limiting and edit collisions might cause problems trying to answer in blockquotes on the original post.  I've added the per-year election tags to everything - &amp; I think what we came up with in chat this afternoon (tagging candidate questions with [tag:election], [tag:election-2012], [tag:discussion] &amp; [tag:election-candidate-question]) is probably a cleaner solution." CreationDate="2012-01-12T05:23:45.340" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4648" PostId="2577" Score="0" Text="I can't find the reference now but I don't think mod positions are time limited to one year." CreationDate="2012-01-11T09:24:11.353" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4653" PostId="2577" Score="0" Text="Thanks to whoever downvoted this &quot;question&quot; it neatly demonstrates one of the problems of treating Q&amp;A as a forum. Now that this &quot;question&quot; and my answer are equally voted they are just as likely to be first in the list and appear out of order." CreationDate="2012-01-11T10:34:07.557" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4663" PostId="2577" Score="2" Text="Server Fault isn't really designed to facilitate mentoring in the traditional sense. The Q&amp;A paradigm, coupled with the character limit on comments, makes it very difficult to get &quot;in-depth&quot; with users. That said, I'd do the same thing that I do now when I see someone needing a push in the right direction: I point them to the appropriate section of the [faq], give them a sentence or two about why something is or isn't appropriate, and then encourage them to open a question on meta if they need further clarification. If they still have problems, I ask them to hop into chat for even more info." CreationDate="2012-01-11T15:22:34.857" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4693" PostId="2577" Score="1" Text="There are actually two questions going on here: One is mentoring the SF community, the other is mentoring the sysadmin community at large.  Regarding the latter, I would say SF is really an exercise in the sysadmin community &quot;mentoring&quot; itself: Anyone who participates actively on the site will learn things that may be useful in their job at some point. I intend to stay active in answering questions to continue to contribute to that. // Re: mentoring the SF community, corrective comments, chat &amp; the occasional pointer to the FAQ are the tools I've used in the past - I expect that to continue." CreationDate="2012-01-12T05:19:35.360" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4644" PostId="2578" Score="0" Text="OK, I've honoured that decision in my graph also." CreationDate="2012-01-11T08:17:31.000" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="4639" PostId="2579" Score="0" Text="Windows is useless without a version tag though. I will deal with these by hand." CreationDate="2012-01-11T07:51:20.940" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4643" PostId="2579" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure it's useless without a version number (there are some universal concepts - kind of like the [tag:linux] tag), but I'll agree that it's pretty toothless without one :)" CreationDate="2012-01-11T08:10:16.597" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4654" PostId="2580" Score="2" Text="Disagree. This format has worked on other elections, [including our own last year](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1108/list-of-questions-for-candidates-in-2011-moderator-election) (I closed the previous one earlier today because it's no longer relevant, but it was totally relevant and useful at the time)." CreationDate="2012-01-11T10:47:12.073" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4656" PostId="2580" Score="1" Text="We have a great Q&amp;A system at our disposal. I don't see why we shouldn't use it in the way that it was intended." CreationDate="2012-01-11T10:58:49.280" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4662" PostId="2580" Score="2" Text="Iain, we shouldn't use it for two reasons. 1. Using a single question like we did last year keeps everything in one place and makes it easy to find and participate. 2. Separate Q&amp;A will allow users to vote on answers which is not what these questions are for. It could create a hostile environment where one answer is deemed better than the others. This isn't a vote but an expression of opinions. It's a chance for candidates to elaborate on their positions and address concerns from other members. There are no right or wrong answers. No answer should be voted as better or worse than another." CreationDate="2012-01-11T14:54:56.383" UserId="68739" />
  <row Id="4680" PostId="2580" Score="0" Text="Generally I agree with the &quot;We're not a forum&quot; viewpoint, but for the elections I think the format we used last year has a lot of value for the reasons Starfish pointed out: I'd rather be able to see all the questions and answers on one page rather than having to search for the election (or election-yyyy) tag and dig through.  Also as a candidate it's easier to watch one Meta post for questions than scan through the Meta feed :-)" CreationDate="2012-01-11T21:47:59.657" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4667" PostId="2581" Score="1" Text="There were windows questions in it - that's obviously fail :-)  (Now if there were questions about freecell or solitaire in it I might be able to get behind it...)" CreationDate="2012-01-11T16:01:24.757" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4664" PostId="2582" Score="3" Text="Is it really impossible to convince the powers-that-be that we should have more than 4 migration targets? All of the content fracturing that Area51 has caused, coupled with SF being an original trilogy site, means that we would probably have good use for 5 or 6 migration targets, where bicycles, drupal, or english likely wouldn't need more than 1 or 2 targets. It seems like limiting everyone to 4 targets is forcing many differently shaped pegs into the same hole by limiting us to 4 targets. That said, I know m.so is the right place to post this, but I don't feel like being bludgeoned today." CreationDate="2012-01-11T15:47:11.383" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4665" PostId="2582" Score="0" Text="Yes, it really is impossible to have more than 4. Jeff has been rather firm that there shall never be more than 5 migration targets, and one of those targets shall always be the site meta. We've had several attempts to add a 4th target to SF's list and they've always failed." CreationDate="2012-01-11T15:54:22.943" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4666" PostId="2582" Score="2" Text="Given the paucity of migrations to our meta from the main site it's mildly irritating that we effectively have an unused/unusable slot." CreationDate="2012-01-11T15:59:33.627" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4668" PostId="2582" Score="2" Text="@sysadmin1138 I'm authoring a post detailing why SF and possibly SU are unique in the network because of Area51 overlap. Wish me luck." CreationDate="2012-01-11T16:02:50.127" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4669" PostId="2582" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra Good luck getting lynched.  Iain, I honestly agree meta migrations should be restricted to 10k/750fw/mods because of the rare nature of it. sysadmin1138 what are Jeff's reasons for these restrictions?" CreationDate="2012-01-11T16:06:03.410" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="4670" PostId="2582" Score="0" Text="@TylerShads As I recall, UI for the most part. Any list more than 5 items long is Too Long. That's why there are 5 close reasons, 5 off-topic reasons (if you include the simple OffTopic), 5 list-items in each block on your profile, and why most summary screens cut of at 5 or less. Some mod-only menus have 6 items, otherwise they *really* like 5-or-less lists." CreationDate="2012-01-11T16:10:12.327" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4671" PostId="2582" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/118685/should-some-communities-have-more-than-4-migration-targets" CreationDate="2012-01-11T16:16:27.933" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4695" PostId="2582" Score="0" Text="If @MDMarra is getting lynched at least I'll be there to keep him company :-)" CreationDate="2012-01-12T05:42:21.843" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4728" PostId="2583" Score="0" Text="How long does it take before the Synonymizer badge is awarded? I thought it would have been added to my profile by now." CreationDate="2012-01-13T00:05:12.270" UserId="68739" />
  <row Id="4687" PostId="2584" Score="0" Text="Amortizing over their post-beta periods, we're definitely sending more to dba than U&amp;L these days." CreationDate="2012-01-11T22:56:47.333" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4696" PostId="2584" Score="1" Text="@sysadmin1138 agreed - the fact that DBA has managed to climb to #5 in less than 6 months pretty much earns it a home in the migration box (until we come up with a better migration box)" CreationDate="2012-01-12T05:44:41.857" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4700" PostId="2584" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 Agreed, it's rare that I migrate to any site, other than DBA and U&amp;L (and obviously SU and SO)" CreationDate="2012-01-12T14:00:35.627" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="4701" PostId="2584" Score="0" Text="@Sam Well, in that case I'll kick off the process to see if we can get the migration-paths changed. Stay Tuned! Don't Touch That Dial!" CreationDate="2012-01-12T14:24:10.183" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4676" PostId="2585" Score="1" Text="TBH it just deserves closing as TL and then we can delete it." CreationDate="2012-01-11T21:06:56.933" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4688" PostId="2585" Score="0" Text="@Iain, you're right. I had only looked at the answer, not the question. Vote cast." CreationDate="2012-01-11T23:08:13.547" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4677" PostId="2586" Score="3" Text="Might I refer you to [this pet peeve of mine](https://twitter.com/#!/mdmarra/status/141622678414045186) **:)**" CreationDate="2012-01-11T21:31:36.690" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4678" PostId="2586" Score="2" Text="You may not. q:" CreationDate="2012-01-11T21:33:25.987" UserId="21550" />
  <row Id="4679" PostId="2586" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra I'm convinced she just does it to freak you and WesleyDavid out. E-:-D" CreationDate="2012-01-11T21:37:12.510" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4683" PostId="2586" Score="3" Text="How do you make that backwards p?" CreationDate="2012-01-11T22:10:22.657" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4684" PostId="2586" Score="6" Text="@MDMarra bad coordination when exiting vi." CreationDate="2012-01-11T22:20:58.573" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="4686" PostId="2587" Score="0" Text="Wesley, do you mean 7pm-10pm local time, being UTC-7, or do you mean 7pm-10pm UTC *because* you're in UTC-7?  I'm assuming the latter, but will correct my graph if you clarify." CreationDate="2012-01-11T22:52:07.323" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="4691" PostId="2587" Score="0" Text="The former, not the latter. 7-10PM my local time which is -7UTC" CreationDate="2012-01-12T01:07:44.340" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4698" PostId="2587" Score="0" Text="Which confusion is kind of why I asked people **very clearly** to give the times in UTC; but not to worry, thanks for clarifying, I've updated the graph." CreationDate="2012-01-12T08:07:25.167" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="4705" PostId="2587" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter Fixed!" CreationDate="2012-01-12T16:58:59.803" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4702" PostId="2589" Score="0" Text="Note: Adding U&amp;L to spot #5 is a separate debate, and not topical here." CreationDate="2012-01-12T14:34:10.103" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4733" PostId="2589" Score="0" Text="Agree. I'm probably chief flagger for DBA.SE on SF and SO" CreationDate="2012-01-13T07:06:50.067" UserId="4955" />
  <row Id="4751" PostId="2589" Score="0" Text="Voting is closed. Thanks to everyone." CreationDate="2012-01-15T02:32:41.987" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4825" PostId="2589" Score="0" Text="Deferred?! Until when?" CreationDate="2012-01-17T23:42:08.290" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4826" PostId="2589" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Until I can get an actual answer out of a dev." CreationDate="2012-01-18T00:16:38.943" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4959" PostId="2589" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 Looks to be done now; we've got U&amp;L as well as DBA, and Webmasters is gone." CreationDate="2012-01-23T19:47:09.810" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5059" PostId="2589" Score="0" Text="Probably too late to weigh in now but the ideal would be for the 4 options to dynamically change based on the tags on the question.  If it's tagged [ubuntu], make AskUbuntu an option.  If it's tagged [mysql], make DBA.SE an option, if it's tagged [security], make Security.SE an option." CreationDate="2012-01-24T22:15:18.833" UserId="26130" />
  <row Id="4703" PostId="2590" Score="1" Text="I like the DBA.SE FAQ -- It's very obvious what kind of questions you're looking for." CreationDate="2012-01-12T16:29:27.687" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4704" PostId="2590" Score="0" Text="Even better, you knew what I meant, when I accidentally a word there. Fixed." CreationDate="2012-01-12T16:45:34.673" UserId="12936" />
  <row Id="4721" PostId="2590" Score="1" Text="You do realise of course that we can't get people to read our FAQ, let alone yours. :(" CreationDate="2012-01-12T20:57:53.227" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4725" PostId="2590" Score="0" Text="I know, but the ones who _care_ to are the same, here and there, and are also the ones reading this page. I'm one of the ones who _do_ and I generally pull the FAQs if I haven't read it in a week or so when deciding to migrate something." CreationDate="2012-01-12T22:00:24.263" UserId="12936" />
  <row Id="4746" PostId="2590" Score="0" Text="@jcolebrand: You get a million points just of taking part in this discussion." CreationDate="2012-01-14T01:08:36.533" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="4748" PostId="2590" Score="0" Text="@pauska being as how I'm the guy on the receiving end, I should be part of this discussion ;-)" CreationDate="2012-01-14T02:59:31.767" UserId="12936" />
  <row Id="4706" PostId="2591" Score="0" Text="I think we have a post on our meta that has our markdown, if not I'll gladly snip it to you ... also, thank @JackDouglas for ours, he did most of the work. I just kinda was like &quot;oh, we should do that&quot;" CreationDate="2012-01-12T17:00:14.123" UserId="12936" />
  <row Id="4707" PostId="2591" Score="0" Text="@jcolebrand I may go looking for that for when we work out our final suggestion :-) *mutters something about &quot;markdown&quot;, &quot;broken&quot; and &quot;kill all humans&quot;*" CreationDate="2012-01-12T17:01:33.013" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4708" PostId="2591" Score="1" Text="Agreed! their's is aces, let's steal it!" CreationDate="2012-01-12T17:02:59.597" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="4711" PostId="2591" Score="1" Text="Considering how much effort we go through to weed out home/dev servers, I have doubts we'd be able to come up with some tags that unilaterally belong here unconditionally. &quot;...in a professional capacity&quot; is a broad concept, and we set specific exclusions to it." CreationDate="2012-01-12T17:12:27.257" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4712" PostId="2591" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 I agree, but we might be able to cut down on the &quot;How do I ask for a raise? How much should I ask for?&quot; kind of questions :-)" CreationDate="2012-01-12T17:16:23.667" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5392" PostId="2591" Score="0" Text="A defined statement of what and what does not qualify in terms of the policies and procedures would be extremely useful. Policy management has always been part of my job role but the responses I've had on a couple of my questions make me wonder how applicable those questions are here." CreationDate="2012-02-10T17:18:07.760" UserId="90351" />
  <row Id="5396" PostId="2591" Score="0" Text="@TimBrigham - We've workshopped the revised FAQ pretty significantly over [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2894/voting-on-the-faq-rewrite-round-2) -- Take a look at what we've come up with, and if you still have concerns about the questions you're asking and how on-topic they may be definitely open a new meta question and ask us (link to your questions too so we know which ones you mean :-)  The FAQ is not a final inviolate thing carved in stone and this whole process is just our first swing at making it better: we may make further changes and refinements based on community input." CreationDate="2012-02-10T18:36:21.377" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4709" PostId="2592" Score="3" Text="There. Have a ComWiki to work with." CreationDate="2012-01-12T17:07:58.153" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4710" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="Also suggest tags that most people would probably want to start with" CreationDate="2012-01-12T17:09:33.487" UserId="12936" />
  <row Id="4714" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="What do we think about questions concerning licensing of products? My pat response is &quot;Call yo' vendor! Call yo' VAR! *They true'en up e'rebody out her'*&quot;" CreationDate="2012-01-12T17:32:34.570" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4715" PostId="2592" Score="3" Text="@WesleyDavid They're the poster-case for 'Too Localized'." CreationDate="2012-01-12T17:37:15.813" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4716" PostId="2592" Score="2" Text="@sysadmin1138 or &quot;Talk to a damn lawyer!&quot; (especially if we're talking an Oracle license)" CreationDate="2012-01-12T17:53:59.300" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4717" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="Shouldn't a FAQ really contain answers to, well, FAQs, so don't forget 'My script runs OK from the command line but not in cron', 'How do I redirect www.example.com to example.com'... ;)" CreationDate="2012-01-12T17:55:21.660" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4718" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="@Iain we have canonical answers for that :-D" CreationDate="2012-01-12T18:08:34.617" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4719" PostId="2592" Score="2" Text="For shopping, we can link to Jeffs blog post and for licensing to the canonical answer, but I think we should add some parts on the faq page explaining why we don't like career/salary and legal questions, reachable via `#` links from the above list and the FAQs toc." CreationDate="2012-01-12T19:13:31.380" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="4720" PostId="2592" Score="2" Text="If we're going to be modifying the FAQ, then it might be time to figure out what we're going to do about [this](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2497/should-we-modify-the-faq-to-include-policy-subversion-as-explicitly-off-topic) as well" CreationDate="2012-01-12T19:20:25.347" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4722" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="@Holocryptic I think we're pretty much agreed that circumvention is a no-no, that last bullet point covers it pretty succinctly." CreationDate="2012-01-12T21:36:21.960" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4724" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="Added [tag:storage] -- Would one of the storage guys like to expand on this?" CreationDate="2012-01-12T21:42:28.290" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4726" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 [Cheese](http://serverfault.com/users/1435/chopper3)?" CreationDate="2012-01-12T22:56:03.360" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="4727" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="@Andrew yeah that got slipped in there a while back -- we'll remove it at some point.  Check the link :)" CreationDate="2012-01-12T23:26:15.157" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4729" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="Similar to SvewW's comment, I'd like to have FAQ page be somewhat self-contained.  So instead of (or maybe in addition to) a link to an external source (the blog about shopping or the licensing question), how about a &quot;see below&quot; link to a summary of that issue?" CreationDate="2012-01-13T04:19:01.190" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4730" PostId="2592" Score="1" Text="Further to Iain's comment: how about a link somewhere to the canonical question list?" CreationDate="2012-01-13T04:20:03.297" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4731" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="I definitely like the canonical question link idea (go forth and add! :)" CreationDate="2012-01-13T05:16:05.523" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4732" PostId="2592" Score="1" Text="Re: making the FAQ self-contained, I'm OK with links to stuff like the Lets Go Shopping blog or the licensing quesiton.  We told them no - the link is there if they want to know why.  Our FAQ is going to more than double in size with this edit, and we probably don't want to make it *too* big of a wall-o-text." CreationDate="2012-01-13T05:17:05.240" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4735" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="Added link to the meta.SF question about canonical Q/A pairs.  Also edited that question to fit better with being linked from here (I think.)  If it makes sense to link to that Q, some mod should strip the comments from it and the list answer." CreationDate="2012-01-13T08:23:17.523" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4736" PostId="2592" Score="3" Text="@voretaq7: I agree. Instead of additional text at the end of the FAQ, we could think about writing a blog.sf post explaining all this and maybe integrate the core arguments from Jeffs shopping post and the canonical answers. This way, the FAQ stays at a reasonable length and we have a way to explain our restrictions in one place. Doing this explaining is important, I think, at least for the more reasonable users (and the others don't read the FAQ anyway)." CreationDate="2012-01-13T10:33:24.623" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="4745" PostId="2592" Score="2" Text="I simply couldn't resist, sorry :D" CreationDate="2012-01-14T01:04:24.167" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="4763" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="I think we've got this pretty much in final form" CreationDate="2012-01-15T23:35:03.327" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4764" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 When I have time, I'll take the next step." CreationDate="2012-01-15T23:45:35.363" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4770" PostId="2592" Score="1" Text="Where would scripting come under? is that, without question, suited to SO?" CreationDate="2012-01-16T09:16:37.407" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="4771" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="Also, make the &quot;canoical questions list&quot; link to the question answer, not the question itself." CreationDate="2012-01-16T09:17:25.643" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="4778" PostId="2592" Score="2" Text="@tombull89 personally I believe that scripting, that does sysadmin related stuff, belongs here, but I guess that really depends on the context, if it's &quot;why doesn't my for loop work&quot; I guess it's for SO." CreationDate="2012-01-16T17:47:30.353" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="4790" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="Shane Madden, why did you roll back my edit?" CreationDate="2012-01-16T21:18:12.770" UserId="68739" />
  <row Id="4883" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="@Dan, I feel pretty strongly that we need the word &quot;Password&quot; in there... People are lazy and have pretty loose interpretations of hacking and cracking." CreationDate="2012-01-20T13:42:11.187" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4884" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="I see no mention of home use. I am deeply concerned. ಠ_ಠ" CreationDate="2012-01-20T19:36:10.807" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5016" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid &quot;and it is not about… **Anything in a home setting**. No exceptions.&quot; Good enough?" CreationDate="2012-01-24T14:40:54.407" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5018" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS CAN BE HUGZ TIEM NAOW?" CreationDate="2012-01-24T15:46:47.513" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5021" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid http://tinyurl.com/6rgxujz" CreationDate="2012-01-24T16:21:32.323" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5128" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="Reading this again I'm just a bit concerned that it's mostly about what we *don't* want, which projects a lot of negativity. Yes, it's necessary but is there a way to perhaps soften the impact?" CreationDate="2012-01-26T23:49:26.497" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5129" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="My concern is that the tag-cloud is visually more busy in the SF-style than it is in the DBA-style. It may lead to more skipping like lists-of-more-than-5." CreationDate="2012-01-26T23:59:44.653" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5130" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="Despite reading lots of discussions here regarding licensing being a taboo subject, I've yet to read a solid argument to support this reasoning, however being the minority voice, I'm happy to concede, but might I suggest that if licensing is going to be listed as being off topic in the FAQ, that the related tags are deleted. Their existence will surely only encourage people it's okay to ask licensing questions when they see several hundred questions tagged with it?" CreationDate="2012-01-27T00:45:12.030" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5134" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 Cloud thinned. Not sure if I took too much, but it's definitely smaller now. @ Bryan Licensing has legal or monetary consequences if you're wrong, getting it wrong is somewhat easy, are you willing to be culpable?" CreationDate="2012-01-27T04:13:08.993" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5135" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS, I don't disagree with you, but I'll refrain from discussing it here. Maybe if I've got some free time and I'm feeling brave enough, I'll raise a meta question on the subject." CreationDate="2012-01-27T10:33:24.090" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5139" PostId="2592" Score="1" Text="Some phrasing suggestions (as a newer SF user): it doesn't say that other tags are allowed (i.e. you need an 'including' or an 'e.g.' somewhere); the statement 'If your question is about... and is not about...' isn't finished - previously there was '...then you're in the right place'; add (keep) the line (current FAQ) 'Please look around...'; clarify 'learning material' (e.g. books, manuals) - many questions link to procedures (or docs) which can be taken as 'learning material'; the phrasing &quot;expert answers&quot; may turn away some users - not every question requires an expert to answer." CreationDate="2012-01-27T15:53:13.227" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="5140" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="Some content suggestions: perhaps add a summary of the close reasons - for instance the FAQs don't seem to mention 'too localized'; some more clarification of what database questions are wanted here vs. on DBA (e.g. optimizing a MySQL configuration); there may be legitimate 'home settings' (e.g. telecommute) where someone has a problem with their home computer that prevents them from performing their 'professional' task; some more explicit mention of distributed systems/cloud computing/clusters/failover/amazon-ec2 - it is popular and only implied with the word 'Operations'." CreationDate="2012-01-27T15:53:22.650" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="5143" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="I am a BOFH and I approve this posting." CreationDate="2012-01-27T20:39:42.103" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4737" PostId="2593" Score="0" Text="This direction eventually distills down to to &quot;we need to post more LMGTFY links&quot;.. which goes against the reason that this site exists.  See http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5280/embrace-the-non-googlers  Can you clarify what you mean by not answering basic questions?  The basic questions that are on topic seem to usually get pretty good answers, in my view.." CreationDate="2012-01-13T20:09:56.877" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4738" PostId="2593" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden I think there is a firm difference between a &quot;LMGTFY&quot; and a posted documentation reference with the relevant excerpt. I have no current examples, but I've got the impression that basic question tend to either be closed as &quot;off-topic&quot; due to being &quot;unprofessional&quot; even if the poster indicates professional use or get not much attention and answers with considerably less love. I have to admit to feel guilty for cold-shouldering them as well most of the time." CreationDate="2012-01-13T22:59:10.277" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="4744" PostId="2594" Score="3" Text="I think it's a stretch to say that laser printers are almost exclusively used in a professional capacity." CreationDate="2012-01-14T00:23:07.970" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4749" PostId="2594" Score="2" Text="When I saw that the question was closed, I was wondering if this issue would come up..." CreationDate="2012-01-14T03:26:16.463" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4750" PostId="2594" Score="2" Text="Keep in mind that it only takes 3 people to choose the *reason* a Question is closed. I think your topic was too broad for a [SF] Question. But should *not* have been closed as Off Topic." CreationDate="2012-01-14T15:05:36.770" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4777" PostId="2594" Score="0" Text="I agree, it was probably too broad, but I didn't think it was off topic. I suppose I have my answer too... this is one case where RTFM applies, not because of ignorance of the user, but because of the heterogeny of printers." CreationDate="2012-01-16T17:39:09.990" UserId="65498" />
  <row Id="4739" PostId="2595" Score="0" Text="Good point, but it's generally accepted that server hardware falls under our footprint.  I'd say commercial office printers are in that category to an extent, but I'm not sure how far that goes before it becomes &quot;Go call the vendor&quot;." CreationDate="2012-01-13T23:25:45.873" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4740" PostId="2595" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Not that I have VTC privs, but I'm with you on not delete but not getting up in arms to vote to reopen either. Small printers are throwaway anymore and many large ones require a vendor-certified service technician to even order parts. If this were a Q&amp;A site about engine repair, I'd consider this kind of question akin to &quot;how do I change my oil?&quot;." CreationDate="2012-01-13T23:34:18.127" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="4743" PostId="2595" Score="0" Text="Once was a time when such instructions were included in the owners' manual.... Now we weld the hood shut :P" CreationDate="2012-01-13T23:43:19.860" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4741" PostId="2596" Score="3" Text="+1 i don't think _office quality_ printers are off topic, but that question would have been better closed as not contructive" CreationDate="2012-01-13T23:36:05.763" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="4742" PostId="2596" Score="1" Text="I think Zypher is right on the close reason bit, and Ward has a good point about a rephrasing that makes the question [&quot;Good Subjective&quot;](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/)" CreationDate="2012-01-13T23:38:49.977" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4754" PostId="2601" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I had several more to suggest, but I will wait until I get enough rep and can do it the right way." CreationDate="2012-01-15T15:34:22.893" UserId="68739" />
  <row Id="4776" PostId="2601" Score="1" Text="@Starish: The badges aren't important. If you have synonyms to suggest that will make SF better then the best thing to do is get on with it." CreationDate="2012-01-16T13:31:03.897" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4752" PostId="2602" Score="2" Text="I don't suppose you **read the FAQ** did you?" CreationDate="2012-01-15T04:15:16.810" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4808" PostId="2602" Score="0" Text="you raise a valid point, the FAQ does explain this in some detail." CreationDate="2012-01-17T04:12:25.447" UserId="102815" />
  <row Id="23003" PostId="2602" Score="0" Text="FYI, the &quot;FAQ&quot; is now called the &quot;Tour&quot;. If you go to serverfault.com/faq it redirects to serverfault.com/Tour" CreationDate="2021-10-05T20:18:24.897" UserId="233103" />
  <row Id="23002" PostId="2603" Score="0" Text="FYI, the &quot;FAQ&quot; is now called the &quot;Tour&quot;.  If you go to https://serverfault.com/faq it redirects to https://serverfault.com/Tour" CreationDate="2021-10-05T20:14:34.807" UserId="233103" />
  <row Id="4759" PostId="2604" Score="2" Text="So, production server is SF, home server is SU, but what about a non-production work server? Such as localhost for a LAMP developer? We have a sysadmin where I work, but he's busy maintaining several hundred websites on our production servers. Developers are expected to maintain their own dev server without troubling him unless we're really stuck. It's grey areas like these that I struggle deciding where to ask." CreationDate="2012-01-15T17:46:36.873" UserId="105982" />
  <row Id="4760" PostId="2604" Score="2" Text="@AbhiBeckert That, I'm afraid, is a gray area. Dev-server stuff *usually* gets shuffled off to SU. The trick is to make it sound like you're not asking about a dev-server." CreationDate="2012-01-15T17:52:07.980" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="13014" PostId="2604" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138, So would a general question on networking/DNS (unrelated to actual hands-on setup) be more suited for superuser or serverfault?" CreationDate="2014-05-13T07:33:05.307" UserId="87017" />
  <row Id="13017" PostId="2604" Score="0" Text="@Pacerier Depends on how it's asked. If it's clear it's just a hypothetical question, it **will** earn downvotes, guaranteed, it may avoid closing if it's interesting enough though. Generally not worth the risk, I'm afraid." CreationDate="2014-05-13T10:52:54.377" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="13018" PostId="2604" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138, Would this networking question http://serverfault.com/q/594709/87017 be more suitable for superuser or serverfault? I see a ton of similar questions on superuser tagged &quot;networking&quot;." CreationDate="2014-05-13T10:58:03.427" UserId="87017" />
  <row Id="13034" PostId="2604" Score="0" Text="@Pacerier Nope. That one passes the smell test for 'could actually be working with this stuff'. It stays." CreationDate="2014-05-14T11:30:34.897" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4753" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="How does one suggest it via the official system so it can be approved by a mod? Despite extensive searching, I couldn't find out how one officially suggests one. There are no buttons or links to suggest or create one. I only found people suggesting them here which I thought was the official way." CreationDate="2012-01-15T15:33:20.133" UserId="68739" />
  <row Id="4755" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="@Starfish Example, go [here](http://serverfault.com/tags/apache2/synonyms). If you have enough rep, there is a &quot;Suggest a [apache2] synonym:&quot; entry at the bottom. All the tag synonyms are listed [here](http://serverfault.com/tags/synonyms). The rep requirements are two-fold. You need 2500 to even try, and a certain amount *in the tag* to suggest one." CreationDate="2012-01-15T16:00:04.600" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4756" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="I don't see a suggest button, only a link to see all tag synonyms. I'm still trying to understand your comment *&quot;Because of the reputation requirements for synonyms, I believe this method is the only way this badge is being earned these days.&quot;* How can someone do that if they can't even suggest the synonym until they have 2500 rep? If they have 2500 rep then rep would not longer be a limiting factor as that sentence suggests. I'm confused. Am I missing something?" CreationDate="2012-01-15T16:07:17.690" UserId="68739" />
  <row Id="4757" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="@Starfish If you look at the &quot;top users&quot; tab for a tag, you'll get a list of the top rep-earners in that tag. It also gives you the number of upvotes you've earned in the tag. The whole system is documented here: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/70710/what-are-tag-synonyms-how-do-they-work/70718#70718" CreationDate="2012-01-15T16:29:22.903" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4758" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="@Starfish They key problem is that to suggest a synonym you need 2500 rep **in the tag itself**. That's a Bronze tag-badge at least, and well on the way to a silver tag-badge. This means that the only way to clean up 'minor' tags (in our case, anything that isn't a top-20 tag) is to do it via Meta and have a mod do it. The 'synomizer' badge is one that is nigh impossible to earn now. Those that have it now did so before the rules changed for the worst." CreationDate="2012-01-15T16:46:01.133" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4768" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="We'll discuss if changes are needed around how tag synonyms are suggested." CreationDate="2012-01-16T04:47:45.963" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="4774" PostId="2605" Score="1" Text="This is what the tag synonym pages say the requirements are. **Users with more than 2500 reputation and a total answer score of 5 or more on the tag, can suggest tag synonyms. Users with a total answer score (total upvotes minus total downvotes) of 5 or more on the tag, can vote for tag synonyms.**" CreationDate="2012-01-16T13:10:00.297" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4761" PostId="2610" Score="1" Text="A while ago I asked the guys on DBA about sending some of the old unloved database related questions over and they requested nothing older than 6 months too." CreationDate="2012-01-15T19:10:35.800" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4762" PostId="2610" Score="1" Text="Agreed -- Older questions and ones that have accepted answers should remain. New questions that are very Sharepoint-specific or those that don't get good answers here should be migrated to hopefully get some love." CreationDate="2012-01-15T23:33:14.133" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4789" PostId="2610" Score="0" Text="Why wouldn't you migrate them if they have good answers? Do the answers not migrate with the question?" CreationDate="2012-01-16T21:16:10.870" UserId="68739" />
  <row Id="4793" PostId="2610" Score="0" Text="If I understand correctly, I should vote to close if such questions do not have an accepted answer and are more than six months old. Is that correct, or should I leave them alone?" CreationDate="2012-01-16T21:30:26.277" UserId="68739" />
  <row Id="4798" PostId="2610" Score="0" Text="Vote-to-close works for those, especially if you have a cabal you're working with." CreationDate="2012-01-16T22:35:45.320" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4791" PostId="2611" Score="0" Text="Your answer puzzles me. The sites act as a form of broad categorization. What's the point of have separate sites if we aren't going to move questions that are more appropriate for a different site to those sites? We don't do the submitter any favors by keeping those questions here instead of sending them to the site with a higher number of subject matter experts. Shouldn't our goal be to make sure that the submitter gets the best answer they possibly can by exposing it those experts? There will still be plenty of relevant questions for SF to cover." CreationDate="2012-01-16T21:27:07.983" UserId="68739" />
  <row Id="4765" PostId="2612" Score="2" Text="How much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?" CreationDate="2012-01-16T03:46:36.120" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4766" PostId="2614" Score="0" Text="I'm sure that there are approximately gigs of text on the internet describing people's capacity planning and scaling experiences. &quot;Capacity planning&quot; in Google yields About 17,700,000 results. O'Reilly's &quot;Art of Capacity Planning&quot; http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596518585.do, and a 2002 book called &quot;System Performance Tuning&quot; all come up with easy keyword searches..." CreationDate="2012-01-16T03:58:26.263" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4767" PostId="2614" Score="0" Text="Well, maybe we need a canonical Q/A and the answer is &quot;Hey, check out these resources&quot;. We just need to be careful of link rot." CreationDate="2012-01-16T04:02:34.023" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4769" PostId="2614" Score="0" Text="I think that noting that theirs isn't a formulaic question is a good start, then offer suggestions that they begin by searching for 'Capacity planning,' 'load testing', etc with the specifics of their environment.  I agree that link-rot is to be avoided, and I have mixed feelings about recommending books (especially when they get to be more than a couple of years old.)" CreationDate="2012-01-16T05:05:07.900" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4772" PostId="2614" Score="0" Text="This was exactly the comment I was scrolling down to make. Giving people the help they need to find out for themselves is a good thing, I think." CreationDate="2012-01-16T10:22:00.590" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4773" PostId="2614" Score="1" Text="I've answered this question a number of times, generally of the &quot;this is how you figure it out for yourself,&quot; mode. It's been received favorably more of than I've had, &quot;Whut?&quot; or, &quot;Just ^!&amp;$ tell me.&quot;" CreationDate="2012-01-16T12:33:09.157" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4783" PostId="2614" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 are any of the ones you've answered particularly shining examples of &quot;How do I do capacity planning?&quot; -- I think if we could close these as duplicates of a canonical &quot;This is what you need to do&quot; rather than &quot;Not Constructive, here's a comment saying what you need to consider&quot; it would be more efficient." CreationDate="2012-01-16T20:22:03.607" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4803" PostId="2614" Score="0" Text="Question posted: http://serverfault.com/q/350454/50875" CreationDate="2012-01-16T22:51:47.660" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4804" PostId="2614" Score="0" Text="...and one for Databases: http://serverfault.com/q/350458/50875" CreationDate="2012-01-16T22:56:01.460" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4805" PostId="2614" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo - ah, I kinda answered generically in the first question, and made it apply to databases. But someone else can clear up my answers :)" CreationDate="2012-01-16T23:21:29.827" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4806" PostId="2614" Score="0" Text="Well done, sir!  I came back from dinner to a masterpiece!  I'll add some links for a couple other toos once I'm on at a full machine." CreationDate="2012-01-17T00:58:12.230" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4797" PostId="2615" Score="0" Text="Asking about benchmarking / load-testing tools seems fine to me, but that question will only be asked for/about so many apps/environments before fairly definitive answers are available (and new ones can be closed as duplicates.)" CreationDate="2012-01-16T22:28:14.890" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4807" PostId="2615" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo, couldn't the same be said about just about any imaginable topic?" CreationDate="2012-01-17T01:34:32.583" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4799" PostId="2616" Score="0" Text="I myself think that the second question is better worded, but really the answer is the same for both: you need to test your environment yourself. I think that that is a reasonable general-purpose answer that fits every case (and so, meets FAQ criteria.) questions about tools and methods of benchmarking / capacity-planning are welcome, however." CreationDate="2012-01-16T22:36:40.137" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4800" PostId="2616" Score="1" Text="@gWaldo The same generic answer applies to both yes. However, the second allows the answerer to give *specific advice for tools to use*, which the first doesn't. That's the key differentiators in my mind. The second is specific enough to not be Overly Broad or Too Localized." CreationDate="2012-01-16T22:39:43.947" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4801" PostId="2616" Score="0" Text="Not being a Mod myself, is a periodic review of the FAQ occur, just to ensure that it still makes sense? The thinking being that is for instance this suggestion were applied, but found that it caused undue friction/pain it could be reviewed and rescinded?" CreationDate="2012-01-16T22:39:52.563" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4802" PostId="2616" Score="0" Text="Ok, I'm with you there, but the answerer has to preface their answer of helpful tools with 'you need to determine that yourself; only you know your environment, but I recommend that you use these: ...'" CreationDate="2012-01-16T22:42:57.877" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="5020" PostId="2616" Score="0" Text="I'd agree with this, with the proviso that &quot;what tools to use&quot; for the second answer should be a canonical question &amp; answer." CreationDate="2012-01-24T15:49:37.760" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4781" PostId="2617" Score="3" Text="@KyleBrandt The beatings will continue until code quality improves?" CreationDate="2012-01-16T20:18:40.567" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4784" PostId="2618" Score="2" Text="Must...resist...urge...to...make....razor...death...of...1000...encodings...joke.... DAMNIT!" CreationDate="2012-01-16T20:26:50.030" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4785" PostId="2619" Score="0" Text="If I recall, they're pfSense boxes, but I can't find the source of that at the moment, so it may be incorrect." CreationDate="2012-01-16T20:44:25.597" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="4786" PostId="2619" Score="0" Text="You might be better of asking Zyper, KyleBrandt, or PeterGrace in [chat]. Usually, at least one of them is available there during the work day." CreationDate="2012-01-16T20:48:47.177" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4787" PostId="2619" Score="0" Text="@ErikA - I have that feeing as well, but I can't recall why" CreationDate="2012-01-16T20:48:50.753" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4788" PostId="2619" Score="0" Text="[Roto.](http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20051125)" CreationDate="2012-01-16T20:50:37.590" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4792" PostId="2620" Score="0" Text="oh so you mean some requests bypass haproxy load balancers?  and w/o haproxy, you wouldn't have the same level of control on traffic which pfSense gives you." CreationDate="2012-01-16T21:27:45.673" UserId="88011" />
  <row Id="4794" PostId="2620" Score="0" Text="Well we have outbound traffic, fetching updates from the windows update example, so there is stuff that has no reason to go through haproxy (vpn connections would be another example). In terms of web requests however, they do all go through HAProxy off the top of my head." CreationDate="2012-01-16T21:33:20.300" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="4795" PostId="2620" Score="0" Text="Are cisco routers and firewalls expensive? (the ones you guys got)" CreationDate="2012-01-16T22:01:08.843" UserId="88011" />
  <row Id="4796" PostId="2620" Score="0" Text="Personally I would find them expensive, but they are not crazy in terms of our company. All the SAs know Cisco we there is less rampup. Certain things around Linux routers concern me, in particular their handling of certain BGP scenerios (quagga). BSD might solve those problems, a lot of people recommend it, but basically we were done &quot;experimenting&quot;. Network redundancy gets complex fast when you want to cover more than just a single router totally going down." CreationDate="2012-01-16T22:10:37.760" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="4951" PostId="2620" Score="0" Text="what do you use for rate limiting? firewall or haproxy? this stuff is interesting, I def. need to readup up on tcp/ip again." CreationDate="2012-01-23T15:39:48.907" UserId="88011" />
  <row Id="4813" PostId="2621" Score="2" Text="If you linked your SO account to your SF account you'd get a bonus 100 rep which may count towards the rep requirement to vote." CreationDate="2012-01-17T10:30:42.823" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4815" PostId="2621" Score="1" Text="@Iain They're already linked, but he can break the link and relink them to claim the 100." CreationDate="2012-01-17T13:41:20.460" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4836" PostId="2621" Score="1" Text="Yes I got the 100 bonus but then I added a bounty to a question a while back and dropped back.  My point is not that I think the bar is too high for voting or that I desperately want to vote, rather that it was annoying to only discover the fact after reading through the whole of the election page." CreationDate="2012-01-18T09:22:44.010" UserId="71583" />
  <row Id="4809" PostId="2622" Score="2" Text="Sounds like a &quot;support user specific banners&quot; feature might be in order" CreationDate="2012-01-17T10:14:02.677" UserId="71583" />
  <row Id="4810" PostId="2622" Score="0" Text="@scarba05 - I doubt it will happen. Site banners are used exceedingly rarely (maybe once or twice a year), and 99.9% of the time the messages are applicable for all users (such as scheduled downtime, etc). But you can always ask!" CreationDate="2012-01-17T10:17:49.360" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4811" PostId="2622" Score="0" Text="I just raised a separate feature request" CreationDate="2012-01-17T10:18:38.940" UserId="71583" />
  <row Id="4812" PostId="2622" Score="0" Text="Yep, I saw it. I've moved it to meta.stackoverflow which is where people will see it the most. Remember that on meta, a - vote means &quot;I disagree&quot;, and a + means &quot;I agree&quot;, so don't take it to heart if it gets some `-` votes (which is why they dont display specific rep here)" CreationDate="2012-01-17T10:19:31.853" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4817" PostId="2624" Score="0" Text="Agreed - you can hit 150 rep in one day if you **really** try ; certainly within a week with some light effort." CreationDate="2012-01-17T15:42:18.917" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4835" PostId="2624" Score="0" Text="My point was that I didn't read it until after I'd spent 10 minutes reading through all the posts.  I'm more active on stackoverflow but on serverfault I'm just an occasional user." CreationDate="2012-01-18T09:19:55.823" UserId="71583" />
  <row Id="4814" PostId="2625" Score="4" Text="As I was reading the transcript of last night's debate, I said to myself, &quot;I should probably answer these questions on my blog, just because&quot;. I think I'll do that, but here since you asked so nicely. But it'll have to wait for me to have time for it." CreationDate="2012-01-17T13:20:17.463" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4816" PostId="2625" Score="1" Text="&quot;What we have here ... is a failure to communicate&quot; - Cool Hand Luke" CreationDate="2012-01-17T13:44:27.587" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4818" PostId="2625" Score="1" Text="@sysadmin1138: That would be great, along with anything else you &amp; the rest of the mods want to share. I am also hoping that it can be kept up to date when new decisions and agreements are made." CreationDate="2012-01-17T16:11:19.027" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4820" PostId="2626" Score="1" Text="If the system notification bar absolutely has to remain active, it might be good to link to this question within it." CreationDate="2012-01-17T17:30:58.913" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="4821" PostId="2626" Score="1" Text="Thank you for the digest Tim! I know from experience these are hard work, and they're *really* helpful (IMHO) for those who weren't in a  Town Hall Chat! (Hey, they're even useful for those who *were* there!)" CreationDate="2012-01-17T17:34:34.553" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="6101" PostId="2637" Score="0" Text="I was born to read hexdumps in general. First it was sectors from Apple ][ disks, then later memory dumps. Wireshark came much, much later... &gt;smile&lt;" CreationDate="2012-05-09T02:06:09.193" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="4819" PostId="2651" Score="5" Text="That turned into a novel." CreationDate="2012-01-17T17:02:59.363" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4822" PostId="2651" Score="2" Text="Yeah, I scrolled all the way down hoping for a summary. Now I'm going to have to scroll all the way back up and read it all. Thanks for taking the time to post this. I just hope I get enough time to read it." CreationDate="2012-01-17T20:58:01.170" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4827" PostId="2651" Score="2" Text="So, just finished reading that, and I agree with almost everything." CreationDate="2012-01-18T01:00:15.563" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4831" PostId="2651" Score="1" Text="Excellent - thank you for taking the time to write that all out!" CreationDate="2012-01-18T03:24:13.190" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="4828" PostId="2652" Score="0" Text="A very quick look at that list makes me wonder about some of the other tags used, such as `line` and `com`. Maybe someone with more time to spare than I have could look at those." CreationDate="2012-01-18T01:11:34.803" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4846" PostId="2652" Score="0" Text="If we are agreed, with only 55 questions this could be done over a weekend." CreationDate="2012-01-18T22:05:40.700" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4847" PostId="2652" Score="0" Text="Someone else can do it.  I got lambasted for spamming the home page last time I did that.  http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1657/prevent-editing-a-closed-question-from-it-being-bumped-to-front-page" CreationDate="2012-01-18T22:12:11.747" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="4823" PostId="2653" Score="3" Text="*sigh* &quot;Someone&quot; burninated the [tag:kill-with-fire] tag that I created last time I made a request..." CreationDate="2012-01-17T21:30:42.557" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="4824" PostId="2653" Score="0" Text="We'll just have to use the image." CreationDate="2012-01-17T21:53:43.043" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4829" PostId="2654" Score="1" Text="The hate on (well formulated) homework questions always saddens me" CreationDate="2012-01-18T01:24:48.390" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="4830" PostId="2654" Score="1" Text="This is one reason I want to workshop the FAQ building more systematically. It'll give us a chance to debate points, not just the whole thing." CreationDate="2012-01-18T02:30:16.737" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="11094" PostId="2654" Score="0" Text="Plainly put! Thanks @Mark Henderson." CreationDate="2013-08-02T14:20:48.893" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="6722" PostId="2655" Score="0" Text="Adding '%best%' somewhere in there would probably help; that word really hits the Shopping criteria for me." CreationDate="2012-08-14T12:56:42.953" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="4832" PostId="2657" Score="0" Text="So... that's a 10% hit ratio for good questions... Sounds like I'll need to schedule a tequila night if I look at this list, huh?" CreationDate="2012-01-18T04:56:16.563" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4833" PostId="2657" Score="2" Text="&quot;Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. &quot;" CreationDate="2012-01-18T05:32:54.710" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4834" PostId="2657" Score="0" Text="So, I'm about to begin closing these and clearing the flags, but how do we want to close them? Off topic, not constructive or do we want to set up a canonical shopping question and close as dupes?" CreationDate="2012-01-18T09:06:37.730" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="4837" PostId="2657" Score="1" Text="I'd just say offtopic @Sam - what could a canonical answer say that isn't already covered by the FAQ and/or Jeff's blog post about shopping questions (unless you fancy pasting that into an answer, I suppose...)" CreationDate="2012-01-18T11:00:04.630" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4838" PostId="2657" Score="0" Text="@Sam When it's something that's specifically precluded by the FAQ and the FAQ doesn't say what to do it, and is otherwise an answerable question (if we did that kind of thing around here), I OT-close." CreationDate="2012-01-18T12:37:49.847" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4843" PostId="2657" Score="0" Text="Ok, thanks all. Will go through and close them when I get home shortly. Closing thy many questions on a phone doesn't sound like fun." CreationDate="2012-01-18T17:09:20.293" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="4839" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="I approve this message" CreationDate="2012-01-18T15:57:31.823" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4840" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="Provide some banners/example images, and I'll get right on that." CreationDate="2012-01-18T15:59:17.593" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="4841" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="You can do a search for &quot;stop sopa avatars&quot; and there's plenty of goodies" CreationDate="2012-01-18T16:01:42.050" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4842" PostId="2659" Score="1" Text="Wouldn't it be funny if Gravatar blacked out :)" CreationDate="2012-01-18T16:04:20.033" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="4844" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="@TylerShads - no, it wouldn't" CreationDate="2012-01-18T19:28:13.240" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4849" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="Christmas is one thing. Local politics is something else altogether." CreationDate="2012-01-18T23:27:46.943" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4845" PostId="2666" Score="5" Text="Related: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1631/ways-to-improve-the-quality-of-questions-concerning-some-tags-tag-triggered-sug" CreationDate="2012-01-18T20:18:41.433" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4848" PostId="2666" Score="3" Text="I find the very idea of &quot;Clippy&quot;, or anyone actually having it enabled, downright offensive." CreationDate="2012-01-18T23:18:37.843" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5533" PostId="2666" Score="2" Text="I once had a dream where Clippy was slowly sinking/melting into a giant vat of molten metal - his little 'hand' was the last thing to enter the glowing pool..." CreationDate="2012-02-20T10:06:31.767" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="4850" PostId="2668" Score="5" Text="**[SF] IS NOT A FORUM!** It's not bbcode. [SE] are Q&amp;A sites and use a broken version of [markdown](http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/)." CreationDate="2012-01-19T03:31:20.950" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4854" PostId="2668" Score="1" Text="@ChrisS +1 for emphasizing brokenness." CreationDate="2012-01-19T04:27:15.700" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4851" PostId="2669" Score="1" Text="Here here!​​​​​​" CreationDate="2012-01-19T04:07:07.873" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4873" PostId="2669" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson *cough* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear,_hear" CreationDate="2012-01-20T02:13:39.613" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="4874" PostId="2669" Score="0" Text="@Andrew No, he was shouting at me across the restaurant. I didn't know which table he had reserved." CreationDate="2012-01-20T02:19:53.487" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4852" PostId="2670" Score="0" Text="Yes, I do like WHS from what I've seen - until they went and shot the backup service in the knee with an arrow." CreationDate="2012-01-19T04:15:30.197" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4853" PostId="2670" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid - yeah that sucked" CreationDate="2012-01-19T04:16:53.417" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4855" PostId="2670" Score="1" Text="I approve this message. I think WHS is a far more cut-and-dried topic than Mac-Mini-as-a-server was." CreationDate="2012-01-19T12:29:30.810" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4872" PostId="2670" Score="0" Text="Just for the record, we use a Belkin in our office. OTOH, if I have a support question I contact the ISP who supplied it as part of our account. I suppose that's the difference." CreationDate="2012-01-20T01:25:07.303" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="10458" PostId="2670" Score="0" Text="Perhaps we need a canonical question for the former scenario, instead of closure.  It can be very short.  Q: Should I be using SOHO devices in my large production network?  A: Verily, thou shalt do that not." CreationDate="2013-05-25T06:20:24.133" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="4856" PostId="2672" Score="4" Text="See Jeff's comment in http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/72082/changes-to-syntax-highlighting -- &quot;diamond moderators can now change syntax highlighting on a per-tag per-site basis. We're also looking at an in-source override syntax soon&quot;.  Also http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/981/syntax-highlighting-language-hints/75019#75019" CreationDate="2012-01-19T12:58:06.380" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="4857" PostId="2672" Score="0" Text="Ok, so lets lay down some ground-rules and choose the tags we want to use :)" CreationDate="2012-01-19T13:03:10.813" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="4862" PostId="2672" Score="1" Text="@jscott The in-source override syntax [doesn't work](http://serverfault.com/a/349782/72586)." CreationDate="2012-01-19T16:09:39.640" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4864" PostId="2672" Score="2" Text="Changed tag to bug from feature-request since it is expected-functionality-not-working." CreationDate="2012-01-19T16:52:51.307" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4859" PostId="2673" Score="1" Text="+1 It'd be pretty useless even on a per-tag basis. Too many logs..." CreationDate="2012-01-19T14:01:15.660" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4860" PostId="2673" Score="0" Text="Manual specification of the language, supposedly overriding the highlighting from the tags, doesn't work.  See [this answer](http://serverfault.com/a/349782/72586), for instance; I specified `&lt;!-- language: lang-c --&gt;` at the top of the code block and it didn't do anything." CreationDate="2012-01-19T16:04:50.923" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4863" PostId="2673" Score="0" Text="What'd be nice is if there were some good coloring for some of the common config file types we see - XML coloring would catch the handful of XML configs, but it'd be really cool to see some good coloring on Puppet manifests, Apache configs, Cisco configs, etc.  I wonder how much of a pain it'd be to add types?" CreationDate="2012-01-19T16:18:33.217" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4881" PostId="2673" Score="2" Text="You can't find the setting because code highlighting is turned off for Server Fault. Let us know if you want to give it another try, we can turn it on then." CreationDate="2012-01-20T07:04:29.103" UserId="14041" />
  <row Id="5079" PostId="2673" Score="0" Text="@balpha Looks like a &quot;yes&quot;: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2717/vote-do-we-want-code-highlighting" CreationDate="2012-01-25T16:44:10.827" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4869" PostId="2674" Score="1" Text="[tag:linux-kvm] and [tag:kvm-switch], yes please! [tag:ipkvm] is rather lonely, too." CreationDate="2012-01-20T00:22:53.040" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="4882" PostId="2674" Score="0" Text="Is [tag:ip-kvm] a synonym of [tag:kvm-switch] or does it stand alone (which was my thinking) ?" CreationDate="2012-01-20T09:33:29.373" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4886" PostId="2674" Score="0" Text="I would consider ip-kvm and kvm-switch to be separate beasts (at least until in-rack push-button KVM switches finally die off)" CreationDate="2012-01-20T21:29:58.683" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4861" PostId="2676" Score="1" Text="[Supposedly it's completely disabled on meta (so your test shouldn't work) but can be enabled with those lang tags only on main - see Shog9's comment](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/1906/72586).. but it clearly doesn't work (see [this answer](http://serverfault.com/a/349782/72586), for instance)." CreationDate="2012-01-19T16:08:16.803" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4865" PostId="2678" Score="0" Text="all 4990 of them ?" CreationDate="2012-01-19T19:48:36.760" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4866" PostId="2678" Score="0" Text="@Iain It's a goal... we don't need no stinking tags! I suppose it might be better to start with everything that has a ratio &gt; .5. Those are looking like a sad bunch. [tag:cheap-hosting], [tag:wowza], [tag:operations]... But yes, I did not do a limit when I wrote the query." CreationDate="2012-01-19T19:56:50.367" UserId="3139" />
  <row Id="4867" PostId="2678" Score="1" Text="RAM is memory but memory is not necessarily RAM." CreationDate="2012-01-19T21:21:19.843" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4868" PostId="2678" Score="0" Text="My memory is failing, can I get a new one?" CreationDate="2012-01-20T00:20:18.783" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="4870" PostId="2678" Score="0" Text="@Andrew, don't worry about it. When it gets bad enough you'll be unaware of it." CreationDate="2012-01-20T00:33:38.967" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4871" PostId="2678" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Different definitions has no bearing on the nature of questions being tagged in a way that uses them interchangeably." CreationDate="2012-01-20T01:21:32.117" UserId="3139" />
  <row Id="5058" PostId="2679" Score="0" Text="Indeed, a common case on ServerFault would be to see a question tagged with [apache2] and [php] with code blocks containing log files as well as those two languages.  Worse, the log files can even contain snippets of PHP.  Heuristically identifying the language might be plausible but I think manually specifying or getting no highlighting would be the only safe option.  The markup syntax problem should be solved by adding a dropdown in the buttons above the text area." CreationDate="2012-01-24T22:01:57.880" UserId="26130" />
  <row Id="4875" PostId="2681" Score="0" Text="I've had to deal with them, but only ever with home offices so I don't count that as &quot;professional SysAdmin&quot;. **No!** Believe it or not, today was my *very* first interaction with a small business that used an internet connection that had a dynamic IP at a real office. What a coincidence." CreationDate="2012-01-20T02:30:03.190" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4876" PostId="2681" Score="0" Text="+1 - Dynamic IPs in an of themselves aren't a *bad* thing, a lot of companies have dynamic IPs for their workstations, and dynamic DNS updates go hand-in-hand with that.  [tag:dhcp] is probably a *better* tag for some of these questions, but there's nothing inherently foul about (properly configured) dynamic IP &amp; dynamic DNS environments" CreationDate="2012-01-20T02:37:51.403" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4877" PostId="2682" Score="0" Text="&quot;Wow, I don't like DynDNS but that's harsh... ohhhhh, I get it.&quot;" CreationDate="2012-01-20T02:41:17.957" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4878" PostId="2682" Score="1" Text="And yes, thanks for the perspective. I get it now. Time to get 'a flaggin'." CreationDate="2012-01-20T02:41:40.437" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4879" PostId="2682" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid, I did say the TAG, not the company should probably be killed off." CreationDate="2012-01-20T03:15:14.813" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4880" PostId="2683" Score="1" Text="We *could* leave it as an insta-kill honeypot..." CreationDate="2012-01-20T06:53:31.697" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="4887" PostId="2686" Score="0" Text="We're looking into this." CreationDate="2012-01-20T21:34:19.417" UserId="21550" />
  <row Id="4885" PostId="2690" Score="0" Text="Better have an upvote so community doesn't keep poking them then." CreationDate="2012-01-20T20:28:05.807" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4888" PostId="2693" Score="2" Text="What differences (if any) merit splitting these tags? -- More specifically If I sit down at a SLES box can it be administered the same way as OpenSuSE?  (if not there may be a valid case for splitting the tags)" CreationDate="2012-01-20T21:39:39.650" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4889" PostId="2693" Score="0" Text="OpenSuSE is quite different from SLES in many aspects - especially when administering it." CreationDate="2012-01-20T21:50:57.847" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="4891" PostId="2693" Score="1" Text="@Nils if you don't mind for those of us less experienced with OpenSuSE/SLES differences could you name a few of the major ones for us to make the process move a bit better" CreationDate="2012-01-20T23:28:18.157" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="4897" PostId="2693" Score="0" Text="I outlined one (imho important) example in the tag description for sles10: On SLES10 XEN works without problems (even running a W2K server there was no problem) while with OpenSuSE in the same constellation there were crashes even with Linux DomUs. Although both systems feature yast2 then menus and background scripts for networking and firewalling are quite different. I tried to run a few commercial apps that had a SLES clearance on OpenSuSE - crashes, missing libraries and so on. After going to SLES - no problems any more." CreationDate="2012-01-21T20:14:47.520" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="5057" PostId="2693" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Congrats for winning the election. So can you now help in this case?-)" CreationDate="2012-01-24T21:54:35.817" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="4896" PostId="2695" Score="0" Text="Do you have a search or a data explorer query you are working from ?" CreationDate="2012-01-21T19:21:32.343" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4902" PostId="2695" Score="0" Text="@Iain I have a few. I'll share sometime soon. (slammed for time ATM)" CreationDate="2012-01-22T02:54:50.743" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4928" PostId="2695" Score="0" Text="Is an off-topic question ever really &quot;too old to migrate&quot;?" CreationDate="2012-01-23T04:38:09.990" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="4930" PostId="2695" Score="0" Text="@Andrew I would say... yes?" CreationDate="2012-01-23T05:14:22.897" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4992" PostId="2695" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid Why did the Q about a GUI for DNS get moved to &quot;Unhandled?&quot;  If editing it to make it not a home-use question wasn't enough, what did you want?" CreationDate="2012-01-24T10:43:09.337" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5019" PostId="2695" Score="0" Text="@Ward Ewpz. I was sifting through and saw that question had 4 close votes and thought we wanted to close it rather than let it life. I moved it." CreationDate="2012-01-24T15:49:10.257" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5036" PostId="2695" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid It'll be less confusing (to me, anyway) if this list deals strictly with &quot;home use.&quot;  If something like that DNS question also needs to be dealt with because it's NARQ or NC, I see that as a separate issue, it's still &quot;handled&quot; in terms of getting rid of its home use character." CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:01:47.233" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5043" PostId="2695" Score="0" Text="@Ward It seemed pretty homey to me when I first posted it, but yes, this thread is purely about home use. So let it be written, so let it be done." CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:30:51.923" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5088" PostId="2695" Score="1" Text="Are we clasifying everyone using &quot;Windows XP/Vista/7 as a server&quot; as home users? E.G. http://serverfault.com/questions/353790/bind-server-port-to-local-ip-address" CreationDate="2012-01-26T09:14:40.320" UserDisplayName="user80776" />
  <row Id="5097" PostId="2695" Score="0" Text="@sam In general I think so, but I have seen applications in use that *require* one of the desktop operating systems for at least one component of its service. I think it's back to context - playing around with a Desktop OS as a server; kill it. Using it because you're forced to; depends!" CreationDate="2012-01-26T14:53:30.760" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="4892" PostId="2696" Score="0" Text="How about editing the original post of mine and shuffling around the things you've edited, deleted, closed and etc. within that rather than down here... ?" CreationDate="2012-01-21T05:47:18.677" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4997" PostId="2696" Score="0" Text="But I like trains." CreationDate="2012-01-24T11:47:59.963" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="4950" PostId="2697" Score="0" Text="Well, you can turn off the lights by not paying the electric bill too.  The point being that it's a website.  Its designed to display information easily.  It would be easier if I had more methods of sorting." CreationDate="2012-01-23T14:24:48.407" UserId="88241" />
  <row Id="4894" PostId="2703" Score="3" Text="They're entirely different NT kernel code bases. 2008 shares a code base with Vista and 2008 R2 shares a codebase with Windows 7. Mixing those tags is akin to tagging a question about Windows 7 with [Windows-Vista]. Will the team be able to do anything without needing a complete mass-retagging? Not every single question in that list needs to be retagged, but a lot do." CreationDate="2012-01-21T17:49:48.170" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4895" PostId="2703" Score="1" Text="@MDMarra if you can come up with some heuristics which say r2 + h1 = change to 2k8r2 or r2 + h2 do not change etc then that will really help whittle them down. Manually retaging 1500 questions is an immense task. Bear in mind also that if it's really bad now then anything you do will improve it and a few incorrect retags using heuristics will still be a win" CreationDate="2012-01-21T18:53:17.443" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4898" PostId="2703" Score="0" Text="I might not be the best person to do this, I don't know the SE search syntax that well." CreationDate="2012-01-21T22:57:57.783" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4909" PostId="2703" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't call them different code bases.  BSD and Linux have different code bases.  NT4, and Windows 95 have different code bases.  2008, and 2008R2 are simply different releases.  A large number of questions I have seen asked on superuser apply equally as much to Windows 7, Vista, and XP, but they have an specific tag.  I don't see how that is helpful." CreationDate="2012-01-22T22:25:42.190" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="4910" PostId="2703" Score="0" Text="Because they're tagged incorrectly, which impacts things like tag favorites, hidden tags, tag badges, etc." CreationDate="2012-01-22T22:26:52.027" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4899" PostId="2705" Score="1" Text="Honestly, I'm mostly just curious, since I suspect that candidates who come in 10th in the primary are extremely unlikely to win the main election anyways." CreationDate="2012-01-21T23:17:39.810" UserId="7645" />
  <row Id="4900" PostId="2705" Score="1" Text="I'd also be curious to find out what the tiebreaker is.  And for what it's worth, you had my vote - a big pile of rep isn't everything, and the moderation experience on another SE site goes a long way." CreationDate="2012-01-22T00:42:12.463" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4901" PostId="2705" Score="0" Text="Interesting... you actually had far more + votes than ward (but also, far more -'s)" CreationDate="2012-01-22T00:56:59.050" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4903" PostId="2705" Score="0" Text="ITS A CONSPIRACY!" CreationDate="2012-01-22T18:07:45.457" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="4905" PostId="2705" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson: Yes, but there were several candidates with substantially more + votes" CreationDate="2012-01-22T21:02:21.420" UserId="7645" />
  <row Id="4908" PostId="2705" Score="1" Text="I wonder if it is something as simple as looking at the vote split.  Ward: 22/-12, freiheit 27/-17.  You had more down-votes.  Everyone who made it to the general seems to have less then or equal to 12 down-votes.  Hrm." CreationDate="2012-01-22T22:13:06.203" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="11012" PostId="2705" Score="0" Text="See also [the same question on MSO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/190005/145951)." CreationDate="2013-07-23T13:45:30.443" UserId="40193" />
  <row Id="4913" PostId="2711" Score="0" Text="I haven't seen much lately (not enough to justify a ban), but I'll let you know if I see any in the coming weeks." CreationDate="2012-01-22T22:41:31.957" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4911" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="I disagree for the reasons I listed above on a comment to Iain's answer." CreationDate="2012-01-22T22:28:05.723" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4912" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra, I agree with Zoredache. Regardless of the kernel code base difference, which really isn't that big a deal because it's seldom noticed at the application level, most questions referring to one variant apply equally to the other. To me it seems like you're being excessively pedantic on this issue." CreationDate="2012-01-22T22:40:19.023" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4914" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers have you used them? Sure third-party apps behave the same, but many MS roles/features are different between the two versions. Sorry if you feel I'm being pedantic, but they're two entirely different operating systems. If you don't think it's a problem, perhaps you would prefer a generic [windows-server] tag instead?" CreationDate="2012-01-22T22:47:45.940" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4920" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="Just to be clear, I am not saying that I am against fixing questions where there is a **real** difference, and reviewing questions isn't a bad thing. **I don't think you should just blindly mass-retag things.** I just don't think the problem is very big, and so I am probably not going to personally put much effort myself into such a project." CreationDate="2012-01-23T03:14:01.890" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="4921" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache I agree, which is why I'm calling for manual review of the questions in the query. That said, I retagged at least 20 without making a dent early Saturday morning. There are a lot more mis-tagged questions in there than you think." CreationDate="2012-01-23T03:23:20.750" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4916" PostId="2713" Score="3" Text="+1 - you should have run for a mod position" CreationDate="2012-01-23T01:53:53.133" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4918" PostId="2713" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson Haha, thanks!  Maybe next year." CreationDate="2012-01-23T02:01:57.767" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4924" PostId="2713" Score="1" Text="I actually thought the FAQ covered this pretty well." CreationDate="2012-01-23T03:37:55.703" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4923" PostId="2714" Score="3" Text="Hey, that's great! Glad you were able t... wait... *all those questions were about your home network?!* ***DIE HEATHEN!!***" CreationDate="2012-01-23T03:31:16.123" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="4925" PostId="2714" Score="2" Text="Exactly! DADT in this case has worked - I have asked questions regarding my home network (and answered two of them. Yay breadcrumbs!) in a professional manner. Professional enough at least." CreationDate="2012-01-23T03:55:43.817" UserId="2101" />
  <row Id="4937" PostId="2714" Score="6" Text="You raise a very valid point. Instead of telling people to get that shit out of their network, we should be telling them *why* they should get that shit out of their network. E.g. &quot;That Belkin router has a 25Mhz ARM processor and 2Mb of RAM, which means that it doesn't have the CPU power or RAM capacity to hold a 25,000-record OSPF routing table&quot; instead of &quot;OMFG wtf you're using a Belkin router? omg that shit is whack, my dad had one of them that melted. I'd suggest a Cisco CRS-1. Anything less and you're a faaggggg&quot;" CreationDate="2012-01-23T09:05:41.390" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4948" PostId="2714" Score="4" Text="&quot;OMFG you're using a Belkin? I can do better routing by adding bluetooth network interfaces to my cellphone and get better performance!&quot;" CreationDate="2012-01-23T14:11:56.117" UserId="2101" />
  <row Id="4926" PostId="2715" Score="0" Text="Can you clarify if your opinion has evolved since your answer on the [Mac Mini question](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/971/72586), or if you still feel that that would be off-topic?" CreationDate="2012-01-23T04:16:39.713" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4927" PostId="2715" Score="2" Text="@Shane, yes my opinion has evolved and no, I no longer feel that would be off topic. Of course SF itself has also evolved quite a bit since then." CreationDate="2012-01-23T04:36:30.943" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4929" PostId="2715" Score="0" Text="Indeed - it's been a long time since then, and a lot has changed. We're in agreement, then. Thanks for clarifying!" CreationDate="2012-01-23T04:42:41.577" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4932" PostId="2717" Score="0" Text="Does the prettifier support the languages we would expect to see here? Such as powershell/bash/cmd/vbscript?" CreationDate="2012-01-23T07:50:54.943" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4933" PostId="2717" Score="2" Text="btw, if I want code highlighting, but *only if it's explicit turned on* (with the &lt;!-- --&gt; syntax), should I add a 3rd option, or vote for &quot;yes&quot;?" CreationDate="2012-01-23T07:52:37.153" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4934" PostId="2717" Score="1" Text="Vote Yes. We will get to the tags-thing later ;). Almost all languages are in the prettifier. Powershell = C#, rest of them are there." CreationDate="2012-01-23T07:55:31.930" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="4949" PostId="2717" Score="3" Text="@MarkHenderson Totally agree, I'm only voting yes to get that option, do not want automatic anything. =]" CreationDate="2012-01-23T14:16:49.810" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4952" PostId="2717" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson (or anyone else who has used the highlighting features on other sites) -- Is there an equivalent `&lt;!-- stop highlighting my file you're doing it wrong! --&gt;` tag?" CreationDate="2012-01-23T15:58:14.680" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4954" PostId="2717" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7, see http://stackoverflow.com/editing-help#syntax-highlighting.  The answer seems to be `&lt;!-- language: lang-none --&gt;`." CreationDate="2012-01-23T16:41:44.203" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="4955" PostId="2717" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache disgusting, but acceptable.  I have no objection to syntax highlighting as long as we can make it stop if it's screwing up :)" CreationDate="2012-01-23T16:52:16.573" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4957" PostId="2717" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 Or if it's off by default and needs to be manually turned on with the html comment?" CreationDate="2012-01-23T19:40:29.323" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4958" PostId="2717" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden also acceptable.  I'd like stuff like shell scripts to get auto-highlighted, but if it's a choice between &quot;On by default and has to be turned off&quot; or &quot;off by default and has to be turned on&quot; I'd prefer off by default." CreationDate="2012-01-23T19:42:32.953" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4960" PostId="2717" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Indeed - and non-insane coloring for some of the common config file types we see would be a nice wishlist item." CreationDate="2012-01-23T19:49:27.403" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="4961" PostId="2717" Score="2" Text="@ShaneMadden Most of this would of course be moot if people ***INDENTED THEIR {CODE, CONFIG FILES}*** :-)" CreationDate="2012-01-23T19:53:28.397" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4941" PostId="2718" Score="7" Text="Someone downvoted this option -_-' Be sure to only count the upvotes please." CreationDate="2012-01-23T11:36:45.533" UserId="49297" />
  <row Id="5318" PostId="2718" Score="0" Text="Looks like the consensus is &quot;turn it on&quot;, so it's been turned on.  Moderators can now configure which tags get syntax highlighting, 74 tags are already configured for it." CreationDate="2012-02-06T18:43:42.110" UserId="12301" />
  <row Id="5319" PostId="2718" Score="0" Text="Ok, can one of our mods get some serious mass-disable going on the tag set?  A ton of these tags are non-applicable, and there's some [strange results](http://serverfault.com/a/356879/72586)." CreationDate="2012-02-06T19:23:02.920" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5320" PostId="2718" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden: That was caused by the iphone tag having default code highlighting." CreationDate="2012-02-06T19:31:39.757" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5321" PostId="2718" Score="0" Text="@Iain Yup, and we don't get a lot of Objective-C questions here - a small handful of auto-highlighted tags might make sense (database tags, scripting language tags), but for the most part I think we'll need to stick with manual." CreationDate="2012-02-06T19:34:03.010" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5322" PostId="2718" Score="0" Text="Indeed. Manual looks like the best for now. Thanks @KevinMontrose!" CreationDate="2012-02-06T19:40:22.493" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="5326" PostId="2718" Score="1" Text="Either I am getting colorblind or the [code highlighting](http://serverfault.com/questions/353888) does not deserve its name - the changes in color nuances on keywords are marginal and hardly distinguishable (at least on my screen). Are there personal settings to change the color scheme for highlighting?" CreationDate="2012-02-06T22:24:10.073" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5327" PostId="2718" Score="1" Text="@Iain Mind turning it off for the `ios` tag, too?  It means a [different thing here than it does on SO](http://serverfault.com/q/357392/72586)." CreationDate="2012-02-06T23:00:45.607" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5359" PostId="2718" Score="3" Text="@syneticon-dj The repainting of our CSS is a subject for a future debate.  I DEMAND EVERYTHING BE POLKA-DOTTED!" CreationDate="2012-02-08T05:38:57.903" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4953" PostId="2719" Score="0" Text="I think I initial submitted the request to have it disabled.  http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/883/is-the-syntax-highlighting-for-code-blocks-useful-on-sf  I think it was more annoying then useful." CreationDate="2012-01-23T16:40:23.207" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="4956" PostId="2719" Score="1" Text="@Zordache This was back in 2010, when there was no option to manually choose it, it was always tied to a tag. This is no longer true. See: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/78363/manually-specify-language-for-syntax-highlighting/81971#81971. This vote is not about tying it to a tag and making it automatic, only to make it possible to do a manual override." CreationDate="2012-01-23T16:56:28.770" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="4988" PostId="2719" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache: Asked it over at m.SO: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/120089/how-does-the-code-highlighting-feature-work I think we can be certain that if no tags are tied to a language, nothing will happen. **The behavior of this feature has changed since we asked to disable it**" CreationDate="2012-01-24T07:53:32.093" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="4944" PostId="2720" Score="0" Text="*although they can be migrated to SU if they're very likely to get better answers there.* - this is an important part of why we migrate I think. Regardless of whether or not its used in an office, questions about equipment that is quintessentially &quot;home network&quot; might get seen by more people who know the answer if it is migrated. The skill sets to fix a Cisco business switch and a belkin home switch are not the same." CreationDate="2012-01-23T12:11:25.503" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="20584" PostId="2721" Score="0" Text="Isn't finding and catching typos an important part of troubleshooting? Surely SF can help by pointing out where and how to most efficiently look for typos and other &quot;simple&quot; configuration mistakes." CreationDate="2016-04-15T18:56:01.433" UserId="213609" />
  <row Id="4935" PostId="2722" Score="1" Text="Note for the person who down-voted this. One thing I did not make clear enough is, I do *not* think the syndrome I described has its roots in bad intentions. No, I think it has most or all roots in good intentions. But we know what the road to hell is paved with." CreationDate="2012-01-23T08:55:31.803" UserId="3437" />
  <row Id="4940" PostId="2722" Score="6" Text="SF is, as far as I am aware, unique in Stack Exchange for the reason that it is intended ONLY for professionals. This is mainly due to the fact that there is in reality no amateur analog of a system administrator. SF's value to professionals is limited quite significantly by the large number of posts by non-professionals. We DO need as clear a line as we can manage. Sometimes that line will piss people off. That's unfortunate but necessary." CreationDate="2012-01-23T11:33:31.750" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4942" PostId="2722" Score="0" Text="+1 for &quot;we decide to write long maze-like rule-sets that newbies must successfully navigate in order to have their question heard at all&quot;.  I sometimes get the feeling that some people spend most of their time here hanging around in Vote to Close, looking to exercise what power they have, rather than their knowledge and intellects and answering, or improving, existing questions, or asking their own." CreationDate="2012-01-23T11:53:35.633" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="4943" PostId="2722" Score="1" Text="I have to say that I agree with this, or certainly most of this answer - and also with John's comment. I'd square that circle by saying that I don't mind us having fairly strict entry criteria (in some ways at least) but I wouldn't want to see us have overly *pedantic* criteria." CreationDate="2012-01-23T12:08:39.487" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="4946" PostId="2722" Score="1" Text="@dunxd: many (most) of the regulars in the VTC room have significant amounts of reputation and janitorial badges so they are answering and improving too." CreationDate="2012-01-23T12:18:17.947" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4947" PostId="2722" Score="1" Text="I've upvoted this post because I do agree, but I also want to make clear that a real draw of this site was that it was specifically for professionals. It gives it a real edge over most other sites and it's why I spend my time here rather than SU." CreationDate="2012-01-23T12:31:35.393" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="4980" PostId="2722" Score="1" Text="I agree that I very much like the, erm ... 'professional bias' of the site and community. However I worry that this can at times exclude those who are curious about how professionals do their work. For instance: aspiring sysadmins. I most fear us propagating a BOFH-like attitude (I read Simon Travaglia as a way **not** to do sysadmin, though I giggle as I do this.) I am often worried by the sarcasm and glee with which 'kill it with fire' powers are wielded or asked for; I do not see this as professionalism." CreationDate="2012-01-24T01:08:25.200" UserId="3437" />
  <row Id="4990" PostId="2722" Score="0" Text="@quux Can't argue with that! It's certainly not how I'd speak to a customer or user etc" CreationDate="2012-01-24T09:46:45.433" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="4936" PostId="2724" Score="0" Text="Makes sense. VTC seems to work well when a question is new enough to get a lot of attention, and poorly otherwise." CreationDate="2012-01-23T09:05:01.740" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="4939" PostId="2724" Score="1" Text="@Miles, of course if someone goes on an unrestrained editing spree new questions get pushed down to the point where they don't get the needed attention." CreationDate="2012-01-23T11:24:47.630" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4945" PostId="2724" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Touché." CreationDate="2012-01-23T12:14:34.037" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="4938" PostId="2725" Score="2" Text="I created VTC for the purpose of increasing the visibility of questions that need attention. Today there are still only 217 people with the relevant privilege of them 50 used it in the last week and &lt;20 used it regularly." CreationDate="2012-01-23T11:02:23.797" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4962" PostId="2727" Score="1" Text="What do you consider &quot;rejected&quot;? Do you consider &quot;Closed as duplicate&quot; as a rejection, for example?" CreationDate="2012-01-23T20:00:51.330" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="4964" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="Frankly, I'm glad they did. It was a useless stat." CreationDate="2012-01-23T21:28:52.003" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="4965" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="I don't mind that FW is gone. But 1. The effort to undo a &quot;bad&quot; flag was **massively** over weighted. 2. People usually got the most frustrated when mods had a relatively minor difference of opinion, declined the flag as unhelpful, didn't leave feedback (including when there wasn't a mechanism) and refused to respond when the users tried to have a public discussion about the matter. I feel that the mods who participate most in the site got the lion's share of the complains; while the &quot;less active&quot; mods were more likely to &quot;blame&quot;. In any case, scorched earth does &quot;fix&quot; the symptom..." CreationDate="2012-01-23T21:31:45.073" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4966" PostId="2730" Score="1" Text="I think that having some jeopardy was a good thing - will be interesting to see if a flagfest ensues." CreationDate="2012-01-23T22:13:27.510" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="4969" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="I know on *other* sites, righteous indignation was the most frequent response to an 'unhelpful' flag. Kinda like a person who had a question closed and wants to know why THAT question was closed when three more JSUT LIKE IT are still open. One of those comes from an otherwise upstanding citizen (flagger) the other is usually pretty new (close-victim). A system that causes indignant whining by regulars is broken." CreationDate="2012-01-23T22:39:35.600" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="4971" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="Ok but I have had flags declined (with no complaint from me) and they're not showing on my profile page." CreationDate="2012-01-23T22:53:08.300" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4974" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers - interesting. Maybe it's a mod-only thing? I can see two declined flags in red on your SF profile page" CreationDate="2012-01-23T23:12:25.230" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4975" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="I can see my most recent f-up. They should be showing for you as well." CreationDate="2012-01-24T00:09:36.147" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4981" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="See my edit...." CreationDate="2012-01-24T01:20:22.017" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4982" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers - ... weird. Maybe ask over on meta.stackoverflow to see if they know why it's not showing up? (btw, that's a lot of profile views - you must be popular!)" CreationDate="2012-01-24T01:30:59.583" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4983" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="@Mark, I'm not going over to MSO without a LOT more reason than that. As for the number of views, I've always thought it seems like an absurdly high number. It's not like I'm the most active, nor the most controversial, person on SF. I certainly don't believe it to be accurate." CreationDate="2012-01-24T01:37:53.953" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4984" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers - I guess I can relate to your MSO hesitation. Only I very much doubt that anyone who knows the answer will see it here." CreationDate="2012-01-24T01:39:59.490" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4989" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers: They only show helpful flags on your profile. Click on the number next to Helpful Flags you should see all of your flags and what happened to them." CreationDate="2012-01-24T09:23:02.433" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5037" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="Ok, that's it, Iain no longer has a perfect flag weight of 750, better cancel the moderator election!" CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:05:06.870" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4973" PostId="2732" Score="0" Text="Gotta love the simplicity of that. :)" CreationDate="2012-01-23T23:00:58.133" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4991" PostId="2732" Score="0" Text="That's not what I was expecting the answer to be..." CreationDate="2012-01-24T10:37:49.470" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="4972" PostId="2733" Score="3" Text="Agreed. Professionalism implies at least a reasonable level of effort before posting a question." CreationDate="2012-01-23T22:58:31.893" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4993" PostId="2733" Score="1" Text="I tend to agree, if the information you are looking for is easily available from a quick google search, then you aren't putting in any effort, so why should I? That said, there is always the occasion where you get the spec sheet, and nowhere can you find the bit of info you want, in which case if you've tried, and failed to find it then I'm happy to help." CreationDate="2012-01-24T10:55:30.487" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="5052" PostId="2733" Score="0" Text="@Sam, you're perfectly correct but an increasing number of posts indicate that the poster has made no effort at all to find the answer for themselves. How many times do we see questions that are answered on page one of the docs or the first hit with a quick Google search? Those are the ones that display unprofessional laziness. I for one wouldn't want to be working alongside such people." CreationDate="2012-01-24T21:15:57.733" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4976" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="This is technically off topic, but i'd love to know the answer." CreationDate="2012-01-24T00:36:35.080" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="4977" PostId="2734" Score="4" Text="P.S. this site isn't a 'forum', it's a Q&amp;A site, which makes a huge difference to how much other people love it, which directly increases its google popularity and ranking, and thus indexing speed." CreationDate="2012-01-24T00:38:46.910" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="12493" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [How are our questions indexed/googlable so fast?](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6152/how-are-our-questions-indexed-googlable-so-fast)" CreationDate="2014-03-01T01:57:06.947" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="4978" PostId="2735" Score="3" Text="&quot;Google lives here&quot; :-)" CreationDate="2012-01-24T00:59:50.963" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="4979" PostId="2735" Score="0" Text="+1 You don't come to Google and talk to a man like Moe Greene like that! Google comes to you." CreationDate="2012-01-24T01:02:35.607" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="4985" PostId="2736" Score="10" Text="Google really does index the SE network crazy fast (at least the main 3 sites). Every time I post something, it shows up in Google about 30 seconds later. its so fast infact, that we often get people who are mildly mentally handicapped posting things like &quot;omg did you try google? You can find the answer on their duuhbrain&quot;, and then when you check the google query they post, the only thing you see is this very question. True story, happened to me the other day." CreationDate="2012-01-24T01:57:13.220" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="4986" PostId="2736" Score="0" Text="@Mark, perhaps they keep bots parked on really busy sites." CreationDate="2012-01-24T04:36:10.653" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="4987" PostId="2736" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson Saw this too :)" CreationDate="2012-01-24T04:36:57.283" UserId="83522" />
  <row Id="4999" PostId="2737" Score="2" Text="As unuseful as it can be, let me comment that I'm extremely positively impressed by the focused, constructive, consistent answers that I very quickly got!" CreationDate="2012-01-24T11:56:15.037" UserId="63215" />
  <row Id="5014" PostId="2737" Score="1" Text="^ Thank you. And we agree about the FAQ. We're working on it. I see you've already talked about it in comments with Bart. We'd love to have as much input as we can on it if you do have the chance." CreationDate="2012-01-24T13:24:59.020" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5017" PostId="2737" Score="0" Text="@RobMoir definitely!" CreationDate="2012-01-24T14:50:33.207" UserId="63215" />
  <row Id="11862" PostId="2737" Score="1" Text="Here here! Folks on SF are unreasonably judgmental and narrow. Step the slightest bit to the side, and your thread gets closed. Even here on meta people are just plain hostile." CreationDate="2013-10-17T03:30:54.723" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="4994" PostId="2738" Score="0" Text="I agree that my Solaris question was disputable, though there are many more specific questions that would be outdated after a while! About HAProxy... I'm not so sure. But forget that (I'd love to discuss it, but in a separate thread), my point was entirely about behavior. Yours, and @Sam 's answers are really enlightening, though I think a sort of compromise could be found. Thanks a lot for your feedback!" CreationDate="2012-01-24T11:32:04.840" UserId="63215" />
  <row Id="4996" PostId="2738" Score="2" Text="A compromise would be nice indeed. For now we are working on rebuilding our FAQ here: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2591/our-faq-sucks-so-lets-fix-it Feel free to add your thoughts on it. Once the FAQ is fixed we hope people will understand when and why we act the way we do." CreationDate="2012-01-24T11:45:24.633" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="5000" PostId="2738" Score="2" Text="I'll definitely try and join, and become a better contributor myself!" CreationDate="2012-01-24T11:56:44.270" UserId="63215" />
  <row Id="4995" PostId="2740" Score="1" Text="Short comment about the HAPROXY example: the question was downvoted but wasn't mine, my answer was downvoted too. I personally disagree that's not proper HAProxy usage, considering that it's a very standard and documented feature." CreationDate="2012-01-24T11:35:31.950" UserId="63215" />
  <row Id="5002" PostId="2740" Score="0" Text="I am likely to accept your question - after the usual time to let the community participate! -, yours and @BartDeVos answers really makes me understand the &quot;problem&quot; with SF wrt to my question. I definitely had interpreted differently the FAQ, which is entirely my fault, but probably unclear to a lot of other people. It still remains that something has be done to improve the interaction, I'll try to contribute to the new FAQ discussion! Thanks a lot!" CreationDate="2012-01-24T11:59:08.977" UserId="63215" />
  <row Id="5005" PostId="2740" Score="1" Text="@stefano no problem, and don't get me wrong, there is always something we can do to make new users more welcome and it is worth bringing these things up." CreationDate="2012-01-24T12:11:22.630" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="5063" PostId="2740" Score="2" Text="I'm not familiar with HAProxy, but I do see a lot of questions that get downvoted because somebody is asking a question regarding the use of a product for a purpose other than what is was designed for, but _why_ does this make it a bad question? The user is probably asking because they don't understand. I do actually spend a fair amount of time looking for downvoted questions, and counter voting them back up when there is no apparent reason for a downvote. I see frequent over zealous use of downvotes (and VTC for that matter), which IMO serves no purpose other than alienating new users." CreationDate="2012-01-25T00:13:34.983" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="4998" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="It's very nice to see that all the answers are consistent and constructive!" CreationDate="2012-01-24T11:54:08.360" UserId="63215" />
  <row Id="5001" PostId="2741" Score="3" Text="There is a box that suggests that you leave a comment when you downvote and have low rep" CreationDate="2012-01-24T11:59:03.303" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5003" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra Maybe there is. But if commenting is really something which is considered a necessity, the box should be more nagging (i.e. show up with higher rep too) and include the comment field as a further hint for people who do not read popups." CreationDate="2012-01-24T12:05:23.003" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5004" PostId="2741" Score="4" Text="It's been discussed on mSO over and over. Basically, the feeling is that voting is the most important thing and they want to remove hurdles from voting. This is why question votes are free now, for example. You're certainly welcome to bring this up there, but you probably won't get the reaction that you want." CreationDate="2012-01-24T12:11:03.830" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5006" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra do you have links? I am not sure if I will take the time to do a posting at mSO, but if I do, I would like to make sure not to produce or encourage repetitions." CreationDate="2012-01-24T12:15:27.890" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5007" PostId="2741" Score="3" Text="As the OP should know if they're active on the meta for stack overflow, the feature you describe above has been asked for and turned down several times... which kinda suggests that *requiring* a comment for a downvote **isn't** &quot;stack exchange etiquette&quot; at all.&#xA;&#xA;As for questions getting closed too quickly, the concept of a close is that it should 'protect' a flawed question, giving the person who asked it a chance to fix it then ask in the site meta for it to be re-opened. That doesn't work too well on **any** SE site IIRC, but its the reason that a close and a delete are not the same thing." CreationDate="2012-01-24T12:17:12.013" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5008" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=Downvote+leave+comment" CreationDate="2012-01-24T12:19:34.893" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5009" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/117266/should-downvotes-be-required-to-add-comment-answer-based-on-ops-reputation , http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66020/different-implementation-of-downvoting-require-comments, http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/30255/down-voting-on-questions-require-a-comment-below-a-certain-rep , http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/30255/down-voting-on-questions-require-a-comment-below-a-certain-rep, http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/59736/penalise-downvotes-without-comment-reward-downvotes-with-comments ... and many more..." CreationDate="2012-01-24T12:19:37.937" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5010" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="I'd agree that its nice to explain downvotes that are not &quot;obvious&quot;, and I think it would be nice to post an explanation of the &quot;clean up then post to meta dance&quot; on closed, but salvageable questions (good luck reliably automating *that*) but overall I think we're in line with Stack Exchange's general codes of behaviour as far as I can tell." CreationDate="2012-01-24T12:23:46.727" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5011" PostId="2741" Score="1" Text="Oh, as I see there is nothing new to be added, especially http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/135/encouraging-people-to-explain-down-votes has it all" CreationDate="2012-01-24T12:37:23.440" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5013" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="@RobMoir thanks for your comments. I understand better the reasons about quick closing, and not requiring comments. Maybe it could be made more clear in the FAQ/UI..." CreationDate="2012-01-24T12:59:56.927" UserId="63215" />
  <row Id="5026" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="@Rob Moir - where is it explained that the closure of a question is the question author's cue to 1) fix the question through editing and then 2) ask in meta to have the question reopened?" CreationDate="2012-01-24T16:52:38.707" UserId="3437" />
  <row Id="5031" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="@quux - that's a very good question actually. I've seen it discussed and generally accepted by the community in meta.stackoverflow on discussions surrounding closed questions but I can't find an actual authoritative source for it. Read Shog's answer here for an example of what I was talking about: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/288/can-closed-questions-be-edited-by-their-owners/298#298" CreationDate="2012-01-24T17:44:45.430" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5033" PostId="2741" Score="1" Text="@Rob Moir - until and unless there is an **obvious** and well defined workflow for this, few people really know it. A closed question feels final to the asker - and to potential answerers or editors. Heck, I've been on SF since beginning of its beta, though not heavily involved in the various metas ... and I was completely unaware that 'edit closed question, then take it to meta' was the rule. I thought it was the *exception*." CreationDate="2012-01-24T18:16:11.613" UserId="3437" />
  <row Id="5035" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="Agreed. If we want people to know that's *possible*, never mind whether its standard procedure or an exception, we need to do a better job of that. No two ways about it." CreationDate="2012-01-24T19:06:53.533" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5012" PostId="2743" Score="0" Text="The `I disagree that someone should be given a chance to &quot;fix&quot; their bad question before its closed` would apply both to my Solaris question and to the HAproxy question. I totally understand your point of view, though I feel that at least newbies should be given a chance with their first questions. But I am understanding the big difference between SF and SO from all you guy answers, and it make sense, as long is it made (even more) clear in the FAQ. About Solaris, I'm updating my question a little to make my point clearer! Oh and thanks for the upvote :)" CreationDate="2012-01-24T12:52:54.583" UserId="63215" />
  <row Id="5015" PostId="2743" Score="1" Text="If a question is crap, it should be closed, immediately. If the user wants to edit it, it can easily be reopened. If the user would simply prefer to start over they can submit a new question. It's not like we're banning the user for a single bad question." CreationDate="2012-01-24T14:09:48.857" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5022" PostId="2745" Score="0" Text="&quot;You have to pan a lot of silt to get a little gold&quot;" CreationDate="2012-01-24T16:25:20.790" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5023" PostId="2745" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS: I don't really know what you mean by that" CreationDate="2012-01-24T16:26:47.417" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="5024" PostId="2745" Score="0" Text="IMHO explanations like the one you posted above are best placed in a comment (it doesn't answer the posed question, but it is a great explanation of why the question isn't a particularly good one and explains why the person asking should go talk to their vendor)." CreationDate="2012-01-24T16:37:56.953" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5025" PostId="2745" Score="0" Text="Specifically Re: the Dell question, that question offends me because the asker knew they should talk to Dell, but came here rather than pick up a phone and call the vendor.  Anecdotally I've seen more of those questions lately than I have in the past. That data is anecdotal though and just represents the small subset of questions I've seen - it would be interesting if there were a way to gather hard data, but I can't come up with an automated way to do it..." CreationDate="2012-01-24T16:49:35.327" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5027" PostId="2745" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Kyle has habit of talking about what he wants to say instead of saying it. He has apparently never heard of panning for gold either. He's free to correct me if I'm wrong but I think he's saying that we should not have a rule regarding specification-type questions. We should apply the rules we have already, per the new FAQ (which needs some final polishing before posting), and as according to our [previous criteria](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/275) for [prerequisite knowledge](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/465)." CreationDate="2012-01-24T17:07:15.460" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5028" PostId="2745" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS I totally agree - I think the crux of the issue is &quot;minimum effort&quot;, not &quot;You're a bad human being for asking about specs&quot; -- In the same vein of &quot;talking about what I want to say instead of just saying it&quot; I really intended this question to catalyze discussion for (further) FAQ refinements." CreationDate="2012-01-24T17:16:01.603" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5029" PostId="2745" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7: My hypothetical answer is shortened, so by saying it should be a comment I think you miss my point. I am saying create a canonical Q/A on &quot;How do I determine storage size limitations of a server&quot;. To me it seems likely that he doesn't what the limiting factors are. If you call a vendor without know what those limiting factors are you're likely to get screwed eventually." CreationDate="2012-01-24T17:22:38.737" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="5030" PostId="2745" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS: Yes, that is one implication of what I was saying, but on the whole that disregards a lot of what I am saying." CreationDate="2012-01-24T17:29:20.613" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="5032" PostId="2746" Score="1" Text="+1 I think that's the crux of my objection to Vortaq's answer: yes directly answer their question is probably off topic or at least of minimal value to the community, but how you answered the question is of fairly significant value." CreationDate="2012-01-24T18:06:30.527" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5034" PostId="2746" Score="1" Text="Try looking through Symantec's BE manual. Holy balls, that thing is ridiculous to get through..." CreationDate="2012-01-24T18:39:37.210" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="5038" PostId="2746" Score="0" Text="My XP24000 manual is borderline unusable, after being written by autistic developers, translated to engrish, and then ported to the HP support organization." CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:08:22.963" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="5077" PostId="2746" Score="0" Text="Because the derpotron-9000 manual only has 2 pages there's no excuse for not reading it properly, regardless of experience level." CreationDate="2012-01-25T08:42:03.340" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5098" PostId="2746" Score="0" Text="It actually has 15000 pages. The answer was on page two, but the questioner never got there before getting lost." CreationDate="2012-01-26T15:04:54.007" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="5040" PostId="2747" Score="0" Text="That may only be counting the &quot;election round&quot; - which was mostly during the weekend.  That may skew things." CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:22:57.687" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5041" PostId="2747" Score="2" Text="Clearly, the banners at the top of the page weren't in your face enough." CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:25:51.007" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="5042" PostId="2747" Score="0" Text="From SO - Early 2011: 11,3% participation, Late 2011: 6,8% participation" CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:29:29.540" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="5046" PostId="2747" Score="0" Text="I noticed this too..." CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:36:03.507" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5047" PostId="2747" Score="0" Text="@Holocryptic i die a little inside when those system messages are used for anything but the most important messages &quot;We are going to break something, sorry&quot; type stuff" CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:38:35.643" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="5048" PostId="2747" Score="0" Text="One might wonder if we have annoyed some people enough as described here (http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2737/whats-wrong-with-serverfault-community).  Maybe being overly specific about questions results in us killing the potential for a larger community." CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:43:08.973" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5051" PostId="2747" Score="1" Text="@Zoredache I'm not sure that really applies here. This year, over double the people visited the election page, but 1/3 less voted. It doesn't seem that growth is the issue." CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:50:22.580" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5039" PostId="2749" Score="1" Text="But, if you do the math (which I didn't bother), you'll see that there was a MUCH higher percentage of voters in 2011 versus 2012." CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:21:06.213" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="5044" PostId="2750" Score="0" Text="Note that this begs the real question: How do we drag people out of &quot;The Apathetic Masses&quot; and get them to be at least &quot;Somewhat Involved&quot;" CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:31:44.030" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5066" PostId="2750" Score="0" Text="Do you really want those who don't care about the voting to cast votes? What sort of results might that produce? Over here voting in political elections (all levels) is compulsory and the outcome generally reflects the negative attitude of the majority. Not a good thing." CreationDate="2012-01-25T03:59:35.100" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5068" PostId="2750" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers I'd rather they become interested and involved in the process.  If they're just showing up to pull the proverbial lever I would much prefer they stay home: Compulsory voting with a disinterested electorate is an awful idea." CreationDate="2012-01-25T04:28:31.257" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5045" PostId="2751" Score="0" Text="I did have an election banner every day of the election (though I mentally tuned it out - it could probably disappear and I'd never notice :-x).  I agree with the dilution idea though: A lot of what was once concentrated here is now on U&amp;L, AskUbuntu, DBA, &amp; Security -- might be reducing the number of people who feel &quot;involved enough&quot; to vote." CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:34:57.817" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5055" PostId="2751" Score="2" Text="It was definitely on and off for me. Sometimes it would disappear for a few hours and come back. Very annoying." CreationDate="2012-01-24T21:40:04.370" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="5049" PostId="2752" Score="0" Text="What's a flag? ::hides::" CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:45:23.367" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5050" PostId="2752" Score="4" Text="Hey - you look pretty good in a diamond. :)" CreationDate="2012-01-24T20:45:54.757" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5065" PostId="2752" Score="0" Text="Voretaq7 as a model citizen?  I've seen it all!" CreationDate="2012-01-25T01:31:19.527" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="5075" PostId="2752" Score="3" Text="Diamonds are a mod's best friends." CreationDate="2012-01-25T07:20:34.487" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="5078" PostId="2752" Score="0" Text="Hear hear - well done yous guys" CreationDate="2012-01-25T08:46:45.913" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5080" PostId="2752" Score="0" Text="Which one of you didn't act on this, when I flagged it as &quot;Not a Question&quot; :D" CreationDate="2012-01-25T18:41:52.417" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5081" PostId="2752" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra - I was wondering how long it would be before someone flagged this. :)" CreationDate="2012-01-25T18:51:20.903" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5053" PostId="2754" Score="1" Text="The barometric pressure in the flag queue is dropping.  *A storm is coming.*" CreationDate="2012-01-24T21:16:30.150" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5054" PostId="2754" Score="0" Text="Nothing like seeing 56 flags in the queue to make you wish you had help." CreationDate="2012-01-24T21:17:55.067" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5114" PostId="2754" Score="0" Text="What about vgv8?" CreationDate="2012-01-26T18:12:49.037" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="5056" PostId="2755" Score="0" Text="Interesting approach. Are there any numbers about that?" CreationDate="2012-01-24T21:48:57.870" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="5060" PostId="2755" Score="0" Text="@Nils, I don't have any numbers but just looking at the posts, or even the user list, show that the vast number of people come to the site, post one or a few questions and/or answers and then go away. Those who have remained active, even as little as myself, for extended periods are a minority." CreationDate="2012-01-24T23:13:29.347" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5069" PostId="2755" Score="0" Text="I can sort of agree with this -- The reputation barrier to entry to be considered an &quot;eligible voter&quot; is incredibly low (150).  If we consider only the users above 1000 rep (using the numbers from the [Reputation Leagues](http://stackexchange.com/leagues/2/week/serverfault/2012-01-22?sort=totalreputation)) our voter turnout numbers are much better: 2/3 visited the election page, and around half actually voted." CreationDate="2012-01-25T04:35:56.673" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5073" PostId="2755" Score="0" Text="There are more people eligible to vote (1.65x as many as last year) but the number of eligible people who visited the site during the election period was up by a larger amount (2.4x as many).  So it's not that the people who could've voted didn't visit SF, but they didn't bother going to the election page." CreationDate="2012-01-25T05:20:28.823" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5076" PostId="2756" Score="0" Text="Yep - I actually spent more time debating this before voting than I did in the last political elections I voted in." CreationDate="2012-01-25T08:22:14.300" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="5061" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="I doubt this would be a significant factor. As the candidates are all active members of this community the &quot;didn't know&quot; part is less likely and the &quot;like&quot; part is essentially covered by the primary voting, where you could downvote as well as upvote." CreationDate="2012-01-24T23:16:22.610" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5062" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="You could try factoring in how the candidates did compared to their participation on the chat server for Serverfault and then reference it to voting...although I doubt enough of the people are in chat that it would sway voting much." CreationDate="2012-01-24T23:52:45.563" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="5064" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="Could you downvote? That's interesting, it wasn't immediately obvious to me. I thought I clicked people, and their badges came up on the right hand side. Potato, potaaahto." CreationDate="2012-01-25T00:23:19.870" UserId="35088" />
  <row Id="5067" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="That was in the final phase. In the primaries the voting was the same as it is for questions. Maybe you missed that stage." CreationDate="2012-01-25T04:02:28.530" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5070" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="So there were three stages? Self-nomination (I saw), primaries (?), then actual voting (I did)? Ah well. Maybe it's not that the people weren't liked, maybe it was the commitment requirement!" CreationDate="2012-01-25T04:42:36.467" UserId="35088" />
  <row Id="5071" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="Dug up the relevant threads on the process... See MDMarra's answer below :)" CreationDate="2012-01-25T04:49:41.930" UserId="35088" />
  <row Id="5091" PostId="2759" Score="0" Text="So do you go with the blackhole-solution from voretq7?" CreationDate="2012-01-26T11:32:54.457" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="5093" PostId="2759" Score="0" Text="@Nils It's a good idea in principle, but SE has been hesitant to blackhole tags just-because. In the 16 months since the synonym went in, it has been used 72 times. Or 4.5 times a month. The 'vmware' and 'amazon' tags (on blacklist) get exercised more then that. I don't think we have enough activity to warrant a black-list. I'll ask, though." CreationDate="2012-01-26T12:54:40.403" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5072" PostId="2762" Score="0" Text="Thanks for poking this old question! I was meaning to go back through and see what remained of my crusades. =)" CreationDate="2012-01-25T05:17:36.210" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5092" PostId="2764" Score="0" Text="I like the blackhole - idea. So if sysadmin1138 likes it, too - please go for it." CreationDate="2012-01-26T11:34:10.057" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="5095" PostId="2764" Score="0" Text="@nils The more I look at it, the more I think we don't have a case. The `sles` tag has 99 questions in it, the synonym caught 72 renames, which means most of the SLES tag is actually renames. Looking through the list of SLES-tagged questions, it appears to be correctly renaming things to `sles` 80-85% of the time. That's a low enough incorrect-rename percentage that occasionally going through the list and retagging is the preferred StackExchange method of handling this." CreationDate="2012-01-26T13:17:51.427" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5085" PostId="2772" Score="1" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/16721/how-does-accept-rate-work" CreationDate="2012-01-25T23:04:27.383" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5083" PostId="2773" Score="4" Text="this 4/(10-3)=~.57" CreationDate="2012-01-25T22:59:58.807" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="5084" PostId="2773" Score="0" Text="I knew I must have been missing something. Pretty obvious now you mention it though, thanks." CreationDate="2012-01-25T23:02:22.390" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5086" PostId="2774" Score="1" Text="&quot;Heavily cached&quot; means a user gets chastised for having 0%, who then goes through and accepts a bunch of answers will *still* have 0% for some time afterwards." CreationDate="2012-01-26T00:12:39.227" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5087" PostId="2775" Score="0" Text="Your question seems like a duplicate. Can you explain why it's not the case? Stating why might enlighten a mod here so that he reopens your question.." CreationDate="2012-01-25T22:17:52.143" UserDisplayName="Laf" />
  <row Id="5100" PostId="2775" Score="0" Text="OK Thank you. Someone already unblocked the question. Very nice." CreationDate="2012-01-26T14:37:53.797" UserId="45819" />
  <row Id="5108" PostId="2775" Score="0" Text="Laf, at the time I posted this here I had already expanded and explained." CreationDate="2012-01-26T17:24:51.963" UserId="45819" />
  <row Id="5109" PostId="2776" Score="0" Text="Answsering youre No 2: it is obvious to someone who reads it that it is not a duplicate, it is a different question and if you read the first version you can see that. The one who should explain was the person who in the beginning marked this as a duplicate. Although I could understand that one person makes a mistake, I cannot understand that 3 others followed him, this can only mean they juwst like to klick around and do not really read the underlying case, they just trusted in the first persons (the one who voted duplicate first) opinion. But this is misuse of their admin position." CreationDate="2012-01-26T17:28:34.330" UserId="45819" />
  <row Id="5110" PostId="2776" Score="0" Text="It is not the goal of needing more than one vote for closing that they just klick without reading., The goal is that they check by themselves and if they do it cannot happen so easily that such an obvious mistake happens." CreationDate="2012-01-26T17:29:26.963" UserId="45819" />
  <row Id="5117" PostId="2778" Score="0" Text="I've gone over them and removed the `career` and `career-development` tags because they were completely unrelated to the question (which I've also voted to close as not constructive). The rest can all go in my opinion." CreationDate="2012-01-26T20:32:43.697" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5122" PostId="2778" Score="0" Text="Oops. It was only one question where I removed those tags." CreationDate="2012-01-26T22:19:02.147" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5089" PostId="2779" Score="0" Text="I've contacted a community moderator who will tell the dev team. Thanks!" CreationDate="2012-01-26T10:34:12.280" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="5111" PostId="2779" Score="1" Text="I wonder how long this has been wrong - I can't imagine it's been longer than since the recent change to the migration options." CreationDate="2012-01-26T17:45:21.110" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5094" PostId="2780" Score="5" Text="it should be nuked." CreationDate="2012-01-26T13:00:34.107" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5096" PostId="2780" Score="1" Text="Tags should be nouns, not adjectives or adverbs." CreationDate="2012-01-26T13:41:57.950" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5103" PostId="2780" Score="0" Text="As long as we were advocating for nukage of [slow], I figured [fast] should probably be there as well." CreationDate="2012-01-26T15:53:59.513" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5116" PostId="2780" Score="0" Text="Is 138 for [tag:slow] too many to manually retag over a weekend or two ?" CreationDate="2012-01-26T20:04:12.633" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5120" PostId="2780" Score="0" Text="@Iain Doubtful; I'm pretty sure Programmers has retagged more in less time." CreationDate="2012-01-26T22:10:42.490" UserId="102499" />
  <row Id="5121" PostId="2780" Score="0" Text="@Aarthi: The problem with retagging a bunch of questions like this is that it pushes new questions off the front page which is something we like to avoid if possible. A few at a time over a weekend or 2 is ideal." CreationDate="2012-01-26T22:16:04.680" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5123" PostId="2780" Score="0" Text="@Iain Yeah, that's the biggest problem. Over a weekend would be best, in controlled batches by the hour. What I would do on DIY (when I would edit titles) would redo oldest questions first and newest questions last, that way the newest questions would come back up to the top of the front page when I was done. You may have to take on a similar tack." CreationDate="2012-01-26T22:20:21.800" UserId="102499" />
  <row Id="5124" PostId="2780" Score="0" Text="@Aarthi: Erm, I don't think that approach would work when retagging 138/100k questions spread over 2.5 years - they would all just end up on top. The alternative is to [ask the team](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/1323/9517) which doesn't push anything past the front page but I'm not sure if 138 is large enough to ask them." CreationDate="2012-01-26T22:34:00.997" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5125" PostId="2780" Score="1" Text="@Iain Looks like that's the course you're going to have to take, sorry Iain." CreationDate="2012-01-26T22:37:48.667" UserId="102499" />
  <row Id="5104" PostId="2784" Score="0" Text="Ah, fair point! Thanks." CreationDate="2012-01-26T16:01:08.653" UserId="108346" />
  <row Id="5113" PostId="2784" Score="0" Text="I think Chris's comment on that question is correct: that's a long, complicated question, with a rambling explanation of what DNS records you created and then a list of other records in a non-standard format..." CreationDate="2012-01-26T17:56:01.480" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5119" PostId="2785" Score="0" Text="Are you asking us to comment or vote on the two options you've presented?" CreationDate="2012-01-26T20:42:09.370" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5105" PostId="2786" Score="0" Text="If you're saying put giant crudely-drawn red circles on the page, then yes that would work, but probably won't get approved. If you're saying that I should have been able to figure it out because of the favorite tags list at the right, I saw that, and it was not intuitive for me." CreationDate="2012-01-26T16:19:29.210" UserId="93890" />
  <row Id="5106" PostId="2786" Score="0" Text="What would have made it intuitive is if the tags in the list of Favorite Tags had a slightly different style, and that same style was used for the favorite tag(s) in the question." CreationDate="2012-01-26T16:23:29.297" UserId="93890" />
  <row Id="5107" PostId="2786" Score="0" Text="I should also add that the source of the highlighted questions for me is `Frequented Tags`. As opposed to Favorite Tags, they are not created by any specific action I performed." CreationDate="2012-01-26T16:41:36.863" UserId="93890" />
  <row Id="5112" PostId="2786" Score="0" Text="If you define Favorite tags then Frequented Tags is replaced. But yea, that's it." CreationDate="2012-01-26T17:55:36.383" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5118" PostId="2790" Score="2" Text="[Set the controls for the heart of the sun](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5_0iZQ-TuA)" CreationDate="2012-01-26T20:36:55.310" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5126" PostId="2791" Score="0" Text="Agreed. The dragon will be pleased with this sacrifice." CreationDate="2012-01-26T23:05:28.083" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5127" PostId="2793" Score="0" Text="Touché, sir.  Out of curiosity, did we get new text on any of them?  Nothing's jumping out at me as different." CreationDate="2012-01-26T23:36:48.350" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5133" PostId="2795" Score="3" Text="Seems like too much process. I'm sure you can get half a dozen people to jump through all the hoops, but I don't think you'll get much participation with all that. Otherwise I like the general idea." CreationDate="2012-01-27T03:40:08.190" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5136" PostId="2795" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS The other idea is to skip the edit step and go straight to polling. If enough think it needs more work we can do that." CreationDate="2012-01-27T12:32:48.770" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5144" PostId="2795" Score="0" Text="I heartily agree about the supermajority - particularly as this revision is a pretty big change in our scope (reflecting all the other sites that have sprung up).  I think this structured approach is probably the best way to proceed: we've bashed out a skeleton (mostly by the regulars), and this lets us fine-tune it democratically with a wider audience." CreationDate="2012-01-27T22:10:12.620" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5160" PostId="2795" Score="0" Text="Monday morning in what time zone? :)" CreationDate="2012-01-29T21:10:11.770" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5131" PostId="2796" Score="1" Text="Dup/similar to this. http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/579/what-is-the-correct-site-for-version-control-questions" CreationDate="2012-01-27T01:56:20.453" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5132" PostId="2797" Score="0" Text="Just today I dealt with a flag from a SF-mod about a [mis-migrated dev-tools question](http://serverfault.com/q/354055/3038). Specifically, &quot;dev tools and usage thereof are topical on SO&quot;." CreationDate="2012-01-27T03:19:41.020" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5137" PostId="2799" Score="8" Text="I believe you just pointed out another way to mine for OT questions to close." CreationDate="2012-01-27T12:34:17.097" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5138" PostId="2799" Score="0" Text="I've started typing questions into SU before and I DO get a banner saying that my question may be subjective and/or off-topic depending on phrasing and keywords." CreationDate="2012-01-27T13:30:38.237" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="5141" PostId="2799" Score="2" Text="I smell cleanup project. :D" CreationDate="2012-01-27T16:38:16.880" UserId="102499" />
  <row Id="5142" PostId="2799" Score="0" Text="I'd love to know why the search results here for the phrase in that question title are different to the ones you get searching for the exact same phrase in the site search box. That seems unhelpful somehow; people are likely to phrase titles in a similar way to how they'd search to see if a question was already answered." CreationDate="2012-01-27T17:44:46.737" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5439" PostId="2799" Score="1" Text="This looks somewhat [different](http://i.imgur.com/6L2YT.png) now that all of the relevant licensing questions have been closed as dupes of our canonical question. [So that should be the end of off topic licensing related questions](http://i.imgur.com/qIsny.gif) ;)" CreationDate="2012-02-13T11:16:53.493" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5738" PostId="2799" Score="1" Text="[Fail](http://serverfault.com/questions/365282/require-solutions-for-windows-cal) even though all the *questions with similar titles* have been [closed](http://i.imgur.com/bZJXR.png)" CreationDate="2012-03-01T14:10:56.057" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5739" PostId="2799" Score="0" Text="@Iain I think we need voretaq7's suggestion of an animated assistant." CreationDate="2012-03-01T14:54:26.413" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5145" PostId="2802" Score="0" Text="Sprinkling the words &quot;technical requirements&quot; and &quot;official specification&quot; in that sort of alternate question would likely help it sound Professional too." CreationDate="2012-01-28T03:58:44.083" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5146" PostId="2803" Score="0" Text="Votes on deleted questions and answers don't count towards your headline figures." CreationDate="2012-01-28T09:05:33.563" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5147" PostId="2803" Score="0" Text="@Iain I don't think he's questioning that. I think he's asking us to support the linked meta post that's asking for a reversal of that behavior." CreationDate="2012-01-28T15:02:41.923" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5148" PostId="2803" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra: I've done the support thing :) I was just confirming Ward's suspicions too." CreationDate="2012-01-28T15:55:27.897" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5149" PostId="2803" Score="0" Text="I'd also like to know when and how often the vote counts are re-done.  It seems like they mostly disappear at 0000 UTC on Saturday." CreationDate="2012-01-28T18:17:22.803" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5150" PostId="2803" Score="0" Text="@Ward I think It's later than that, some time around 03:00UTC on Saturday. I have occasionally used all my votes on old closed questions between 00:00UTC and 01:00UTC Saturday and I've had them all back at 08:00UTC." CreationDate="2012-01-29T09:16:31.560" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5159" PostId="2803" Score="2" Text="Sorry but to me you're sounding a bit like a two year old who was just told he has to share his sweets with his little brother." CreationDate="2012-01-29T21:00:06.197" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5178" PostId="2803" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers And you sound like you need to lighten up and recognize tongue-in-cheek comments when you see them.  (Hint: I don't *really* think WesleyDavid is a heartless jerk.)" CreationDate="2012-01-30T05:18:17.583" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5181" PostId="2803" Score="0" Text="@Ward, perhaps throw a smiley or two in there next time if you don't want us to take you seriously. I saw nothing hinting at humour. I was also talking about the entire post, not just the comment about WesleyDavid." CreationDate="2012-01-30T08:44:47.890" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5152" PostId="2806" Score="2" Text="[SF FAQ](http://serverfault.com/faq): *&quot;If your question is about … networks [...] and it is **not about** ... Networking outside the professional workplace&quot;*. It even says [SOHO](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_office/home_office) on the device, and you don't know the model. How much more outside the professional workplace can you get?" CreationDate="2012-01-29T18:15:51.573" UserId="76162" />
  <row Id="5153" PostId="2806" Score="0" Text="@DanielBeck I don’t have problem with it being migrated. I have problem with it being migrated, closed, flagged for migration back and **then deleted**." CreationDate="2012-01-29T18:19:27.883" UserId="98093" />
  <row Id="5154" PostId="2806" Score="0" Text="@DanielBeck BTW, we have a [tag:soho] tag." CreationDate="2012-01-29T18:22:05.867" UserId="98093" />
  <row Id="5155" PostId="2806" Score="0" Text="… with 9 questions, three of them closed or migrated. Having a tag doesn't make it perfectly on-topic either." CreationDate="2012-01-29T18:25:28.587" UserId="52982" />
  <row Id="5156" PostId="2806" Score="0" Text="Undelete it or I’m going to email the staff." CreationDate="2012-01-29T18:28:02.160" UserId="98093" />
  <row Id="5157" PostId="2806" Score="12" Text="Emailing the staff does nothing but get you ignored unless the problem is one that the moderation staff can't handle. As it happens, [SuperUser rejected the migration](http://meta.superuser.com/questions/4174/question-migrated-from-serverfault-here-and-then-deleted/4175#4175), so I've reopened it." CreationDate="2012-01-29T19:02:02.737" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5158" PostId="2806" Score="1" Text="...and I've voted to close it as OT. Let's shut this one down and get back to business." CreationDate="2012-01-29T20:52:39.123" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5166" PostId="2810" Score="2" Text="There's a downvote on this answer - please only upvote the option you're voting for, don't downvote." CreationDate="2012-01-30T01:02:09.153" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5171" PostId="2810" Score="0" Text="Maybe we can get a mod to reverse that downvote. Anyone here know a mod?" CreationDate="2012-01-30T03:17:01.550" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5173" PostId="2810" Score="1" Text="Mods can't do jack about votes short of destroying the account of the voter. Which I can't figure out without db-hacking." CreationDate="2012-01-30T03:19:00.817" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5161" PostId="2811" Score="6" Text="The bold parts between lists, should, like [DBA's faq](http://dba.stackexchange.com/faq#questions) form a sentence. &quot;If your question is about ___ and it is not about ___ ...&quot; then **what**?" CreationDate="2012-01-29T23:45:27.957" UserId="7645" />
  <row Id="5162" PostId="2811" Score="2" Text="I may be somewhat late with this, but the datacenter operations aspect is missing completely, just as is sysadmin-related organizational stuff like best practices / ITIL. I also feel that each and every referenced tag needs a meaningful wiki summary to be able to serve as &quot;further reading&quot;" CreationDate="2012-01-30T00:20:23.017" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5163" PostId="2811" Score="0" Text="Being pedantic, I've spotted some minor issues. Some Bullet points close with a full stop, others don't. The bullet points also have some comma separated items, some are capitalised, some aren't. Use of `&amp;` and `/` instead of `and` and `or`. The text of bullet points that have sub bullet points, should end with a colon. Also, is `(lex legis)` really required, doesn't `legal` by definition cover that? although TBH, I did have to google that term, as I've never heard it before." CreationDate="2012-01-30T00:28:45.200" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5164" PostId="2811" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj - Absolutally, every single tag there needs a good wiki" CreationDate="2012-01-30T00:29:15.943" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5165" PostId="2811" Score="2" Text="Sorry I'm going to have to put a +1 for no for the above mentioned reasons. I think the content is fine, but the formatting needs a bit of work" CreationDate="2012-01-30T00:32:38.670" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5167" PostId="2811" Score="0" Text="Yup, I think we need a few more tweaks now that we've got more eyeballs on it." CreationDate="2012-01-30T01:35:26.983" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5172" PostId="2811" Score="1" Text="It bothers me that this has been a work in progress for quite some time and only now some people are wanting to change things." CreationDate="2012-01-30T03:18:23.937" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5177" PostId="2811" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers - that's always the way these things go, isn't it? ;)" CreationDate="2012-01-30T04:26:51.733" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5180" PostId="2811" Score="4" Text="Let's consider that scoping the site to &quot;Systems Administrators&quot; might possibly sound like we're excluding people who are tightly scoped such as network engineers, datacenter folks, firewall administrators, storage experts, etc." CreationDate="2012-01-30T07:25:26.523" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5190" PostId="2811" Score="1" Text="+1 - I'm not concerned about the cosmetics/grammar (though we certainly want a list and we need to fix that stuff before making this live), but I would like to see DC Ops included more prominently." CreationDate="2012-01-30T18:55:18.067" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5212" PostId="2811" Score="0" Text="@Bryan I agree, there's some relatively minor issues, as you've listed, that need correcting. Other than the typography, grammar, and possible spelling issues what are your thoughts on the content?" CreationDate="2012-01-31T15:44:58.513" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5213" PostId="2811" Score="0" Text="The cloud tag was trimmed back as it was getting unruley. I think it probably needs more work than anything else. The bold parts don't &quot;need&quot; to be sentences, it just needs to be clearly understanbable, which I believe they are. This isn't college English 101. Right now I'm in a bit of a time crunch but getting a limited list of the &quot;best&quot; tags in the cloud and making sure they all have decent tag-wikis is something we should certainly do be posting the FAQ." CreationDate="2012-01-31T15:48:57.397" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5214" PostId="2811" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid It needs to be short and concise; I certainly don't want a &quot;Network Admin&quot; coming along and thinking they're in the wrong place. But I don't want someone who administers their home network of 4 computers thinking that it fits them either... I think we'd all agree it could be better, but what would *you* put?" CreationDate="2012-01-31T15:50:49.203" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5217" PostId="2811" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Freiheit's comment is the main problem, as I don't think that reads correctly. You could instead use something along the lines of, **Server Fault is for questions relating to...** and **Server Fault is not for questions relating to...**, aside from that, I'm perfectly happy with the text." CreationDate="2012-01-31T16:09:14.683" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5218" PostId="2811" Score="2" Text="@ChrisS We don't need anything more than the list of what is acceptable and not acceptable. We don't need to qualify people's job titles. So, instead of &quot;Server Fault is for System Administrators and Desktop Support Professionals...&quot; it should say &quot;Server Fault is for Information Technology professionals...&quot; and then let the list of acceptable and unacceptable topics speak for themselves. That way it's clear that the site is for pros, and allows people of all specializations to participate." CreationDate="2012-01-31T17:03:07.723" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5168" PostId="2812" Score="1" Text="For SU: &quot;for general software, hardware and networking&quot;. Technology is too broad as to invite gadgets which are off topic." CreationDate="2012-01-30T02:06:45.573" UserId="1953" />
  <row Id="5170" PostId="2812" Score="0" Text="I see one rather minor, albeit fairly important, additional line but absolutely no grammar changes, let alone fixes." CreationDate="2012-01-30T03:14:34.117" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5174" PostId="2812" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers: Without that line, it's not a sentence, so I thought &quot;grammar&quot; worked to describe the change." CreationDate="2012-01-30T03:21:40.350" UserId="7645" />
  <row Id="5175" PostId="2812" Score="0" Text="@freiheit, although I agree the line should be included the same logic of incompleteness applies to the &quot;We have sister sites...&quot;, yet you haven't changed that." CreationDate="2012-01-30T03:24:05.007" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5200" PostId="2812" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers: &quot;sister sites&quot; is a sentence, maybe it should be `:` instead of `...`. Making it &quot;If A and not B then you're in the right place&quot; seemed essential, since otherwise it was unclear what the purpose of first two the lists was. It's CW, so I think you can edit the changes you want." CreationDate="2012-01-31T00:25:38.083" UserId="7645" />
  <row Id="5187" PostId="2813" Score="0" Text="A bit old, but: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/9112/sticky-able-questions-on-meta" CreationDate="2012-01-30T15:13:06.770" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="5188" PostId="2813" Score="0" Text="Is the featured tag like sysadmin1138 set on http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2809/voting-on-the-faq-rewrite not enough?" CreationDate="2012-01-30T18:27:00.563" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5192" PostId="2813" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache, I'm talking about a way to keep important posts at the top of the list, regardless of how a user may sort it. The `featured` tag is after all just another tag and being the same colour as `status-completed` actually means it's more likely to be overlooked by those in a hurry." CreationDate="2012-01-30T20:42:08.990" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5176" PostId="2814" Score="1" Text="Would it be worth requesting it as a feature? I've been monitoring the FAQ question and feel it deserves more prominence than &quot;ordinary&quot; posts." CreationDate="2012-01-30T04:24:36.247" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5189" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="Please don't abuse of the system notice makes people ignore it, then they miss important things, like downtime notifications" CreationDate="2012-01-30T18:43:38.633" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="5193" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="@Zypher, so you don't think the election and FAQ discussion are important enough?" CreationDate="2012-01-30T20:42:59.410" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5194" PostId="2814" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers honestly no, not for a non-dismisable system message (although to be fair we don't have a _good_ alternative). IMNSHO Those messages should only be for critical things that everyone MUST know about like the sites are going down at x time, we are in read only mode, etc." CreationDate="2012-01-30T20:51:24.283" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="5197" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="@Zypher, I'm not really talking about a system message though. I'm talking about a way to (temporarily) keep a post at the top of the page, which amongst other things is a **lot** less annoying." CreationDate="2012-01-30T21:01:56.080" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5198" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers sorry was responding to Mark's answer and not your feature request. I believe a similar &quot;sticky thread&quot; request brought about the featured tag." CreationDate="2012-01-30T21:11:42.830" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="5186" PostId="2815" Score="3" Text="If you see a question that's not on the front page to get a lot of attention, but needs to be closed, you should post it in the Vote To Close chat." CreationDate="2012-01-30T13:45:55.357" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5196" PostId="2815" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra, while that may be a workaround in some cases I personally rarely see anything other than the front page and often don't even get through that in one session. In this case the question did pop back onto the front page." CreationDate="2012-01-30T20:59:20.903" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5199" PostId="2815" Score="1" Text="We still like it if you would post those there. A lot regular close-voters are in different time zones. Sometimes it's hard to get 5 together on a borderline question before it hits page 2. I know from previous comments you have an aversion to chat here, but don't be scared, no one really chats in VTC, they just post links :)" CreationDate="2012-01-30T21:25:00.987" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5185" PostId="2816" Score="2" Text="Sounds broken to me. Logically, both, canceling up/downvotes and deleting / expiring close and delete votes should reinstate the voting status to what it would have been without these votes." CreationDate="2012-01-30T13:05:16.847" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5191" PostId="2816" Score="0" Text="The logic is *almost* sound for upvotes/downvotes on questions (you &quot;voted&quot; in that you decided this was/was not worthy of the up or downvote you were going to apply), but I agree with @syneticon-dj that you *should* be allowed to re-apply a close vote to a question if it expires: You still want to close it, so why shouldn't you be allowed to pile on if your vote expired but 4 other people decided they wanted to close it too?" CreationDate="2012-01-30T19:44:51.990" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5195" PostId="2816" Score="2" Text="Yet another reason programmers should not be allowed to design user interfaces. Among other things it ignores the fact that sometimes peoples' hands shake (tends to happen more as you get older), which can result in multiple presses of a key or button, which may not even be noticed immediately if you're not looking at the screen." CreationDate="2012-01-30T20:56:40.657" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5205" PostId="2817" Score="0" Text="It done did it to me too this evening" CreationDate="2012-01-31T02:28:54.837" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5203" PostId="2818" Score="1" Text="One problem is when people burn through and use all their flags in 10 mins, sometimes people (ok me probably) don't notice the post date at first." CreationDate="2012-01-31T01:42:51.483" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="5204" PostId="2818" Score="0" Text="Also guilty - but trying to be better :)" CreationDate="2012-01-31T02:28:01.513" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5209" PostId="2819" Score="1" Text="And yet there is at least a fair chance of an even better answer being posted if the question gets migrated to the appropriate site. Surely that's a win-win. Have we not for example seen questions migrated from SO with an accepted answer that was just plain wrong?" CreationDate="2012-01-31T03:52:17.347" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5211" PostId="2819" Score="1" Text="DBA definitely don't want any questions more than 6 months old - I asked them some time ago when I was going to start flagging old unloved stuff for migration." CreationDate="2012-01-31T07:17:58.373" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5215" PostId="2819" Score="1" Text="It's as much of a win in my eyes if the question is well-answered here and we keep it.  As an example, why send a question on shell scripting to U&amp;L if it's well-answered here and will keep a newly-minted junior admin from re-asking the question (and having it sent to U&amp;L) in a month?" CreationDate="2012-01-31T15:51:15.017" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5206" PostId="2820" Score="0" Text="The trouble with this approach seems to be that sometimes questions which are off-topic now were on topic at the time they were asked. Also, since the questions are here and got answered, why bother?" CreationDate="2012-01-31T02:32:28.720" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5207" PostId="2820" Score="1" Text="@syneticon-dj The only thing that matters is if it's on-topic in the present, not in the past. If they got answered in the past is of no consequence to the present. Present askers have used past questions as justification for current contributions that are no longer on-topic. Cleaning up our history is important to make sure that we stay on course for the foreseeable future." CreationDate="2012-01-31T02:42:34.163" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5208" PostId="2820" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj, a classic example would be a post about a home network, which may have been made prior to SU being born. SF gains nothing by keeping it but if it's migrated both SF and SU are likely to benefit." CreationDate="2012-01-31T03:49:22.887" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5210" PostId="2821" Score="0" Text="Exactly my thinking too - if it doesn't belong here, get rid of it." CreationDate="2012-01-31T04:00:20.307" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="5216" PostId="2821" Score="2" Text="Old off-topic posts should definitely be *closed* (as off-topic) and even bannered with &quot;This question is historical, if you want to ask about something similar go to $OTHER_SITE&quot;.  The ones nobody is looking at should probably even be deleted.  I just disagree with *migrating* the old stuff (at least without getting an OK from someone at the target site) -- Like @WesleyDavid said, I don't want other sites to be mocking us the way we mock the sites that send US questions we don't want :)" CreationDate="2012-01-31T15:55:56.963" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5219" PostId="2823" Score="1" Text="Perhaps the best solution would be a change to the way things now operate. Migrated questions would go into a quarantine area, seen only by high rep users, rather than straight into the main area. From the quarantine area the questions would be voted on for acceptance or rejection. If rejected then they would simply be marked as closed on the originating site. It seems to me this would solve all our concerns." CreationDate="2012-01-31T20:59:08.793" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5220" PostId="2823" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers I'd like that. That very idea has been raised on MSO many times and shot down. This one at least describes some of the issues: http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/73391/131633 Mainly, doing so effectively locks the question until the destination site can handle it." CreationDate="2012-01-31T21:08:53.647" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5221" PostId="2823" Score="0" Text="Thanks for taking the time. The peek behind the curtain is insightful." CreationDate="2012-01-31T23:01:27.407" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11833" PostId="2825" Score="1" Text="Crazy it was closed. Folks are waaaay too trigger happy about closing topics around here." CreationDate="2013-10-16T16:12:06.273" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11845" PostId="2825" Score="6" Text="You're banging on about a question posted 20 months ago when we had a completely different set of FAQ and Help docs? Get a grip." CreationDate="2013-10-16T17:15:01.040" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="5223" PostId="2826" Score="0" Text="+1 Nice answer... so the guys derived from the player being intended for non-commercial use that I am a home-user and that's the reason for closing. But wait... what if I was a support professional helping some home user? What if I haven't mentioned &quot;player&quot; in my question? What if I had such a written agreement? *No matter what, this is the most ridiculous criterion I've ever heard of.* I understand that the problems of professionals and home users differ, but IMHO the distinction is too blurred and makes searching for relevant information harder rather than easier." CreationDate="2012-02-01T01:41:52.933" UserId="67996" />
  <row Id="5224" PostId="2826" Score="3" Text="@maaartinus - well, VMWare Player is *not* for business use and it has no place running the kinds of services that we help with on this site. If you're a pro helping a home user, [SU] is your friend. If you had replaced &quot;player&quot; with &quot;workstation&quot; it may have been deemed on-topic, but the answers you received may very well have not worked with player. If you did have a written agreement, well, ignore my fourth point, but the question would still be off-topic. As I said, the FAQ is really, really being re-worked to try and avoid these sorts of conflicts in the future, so I can only aplogise." CreationDate="2012-02-01T01:48:40.193" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5225" PostId="2826" Score="1" Text="The sites withing the stackexchange network are aimed at being for a particular niche/purpose.  serverfault is primarily focused questions related to supporting medium/large sized networks, though some small business stuff gets through as well.  If you don't like how topics are broken up, may I point you at Yahoo Answers as an example of why having everything in one places is bad." CreationDate="2012-02-01T01:49:11.800" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5226" PostId="2826" Score="0" Text="@maaartinus two things, one there are only 92 questions tagged 'vmware-player', two you like a lot of people miss a very important character in the Desktop PC part &quot;Desktop PC-&gt;s&lt;- ...&quot; as in multiple PCs, more than one" CreationDate="2012-02-01T02:18:22.623" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="5227" PostId="2826" Score="0" Text="Many thanks to Mark Henderson. @Zoredache: But the niches/purposes are greatly overlapping, the distinction unclear, and the sheer amount of closed/moved question proves it. Yahoo Answers? Are you kidding? Their problem is *not* having everything in one place, their problems are countless, especially having no tags and no voting. A sort of super-tag could IMHO do here all the needed separation much better than using different URL and different look-and-feel, but this is another discussion." CreationDate="2012-02-01T02:25:50.880" UserId="67996" />
  <row Id="5228" PostId="2826" Score="2" Text="@maaartinus, even if the question was regarding a home user you are supporting in a professional capacity it still fails the &quot;Desktop PCs that you maintain in the workplace&quot; criteria." CreationDate="2012-02-01T03:47:45.450" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="11834" PostId="2826" Score="0" Text="&quot;However, you did get an answer here, so really that's the main goal, right?&quot; And that is a clue that the question is good and that it belongs here. The whole thread is completely at home here, is clearly written, and gets to a happy ending. That is what SF is for, right? (So why should it get closed?)" CreationDate="2013-10-16T16:14:12.363" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="5237" PostId="2828" Score="0" Text="While a good idea in general, he already stated that he does not know what MS support did - and apparently the support reps are unable to tell concisely as well. Not sure if this makes a good &quot;accepted answer&quot;." CreationDate="2012-02-02T11:22:05.050" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5239" PostId="2828" Score="0" Text="We should have been told that above and not in a comment to an answer of on original question then ;)" CreationDate="2012-02-02T11:41:58.473" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5234" PostId="2833" Score="0" Text="Okay, good to know. Thanks Anna." CreationDate="2012-02-02T03:56:06.870" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5235" PostId="2833" Score="2" Text="@ErikA I checked into what happened.  You changed IP addresses a few times right when starting your answers, which looks to have prevented certain spam prevention measures from completing.  As Anna said, you were just lucky :)" CreationDate="2012-02-02T04:25:43.747" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5236" PostId="2833" Score="0" Text="Thanks Jarrod, it makes sense how that could create issues. I suppose Verizon could be doing some creative routing or possibly I was just flopping back and forth between wifi and cellular data." CreationDate="2012-02-02T04:49:07.490" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5238" PostId="2836" Score="0" Text="can somebody please shorten the sentence for me?  I can't think of a better phrase but feel that it reads clumsy." CreationDate="2012-02-02T11:40:04.880" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5246" PostId="2836" Score="1" Text="I don't think it's clumsy, but it does seem very broad -- What kinds of &quot;best practices&quot; were you thinking of? (If the scope is narrowed I think a better wording will present itself)" CreationDate="2012-02-02T17:51:36.377" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5247" PostId="2836" Score="0" Text="In theory there should be only one best for any $practice and it should be easy to point to it. In reality everyone has their own $best so unfortunately I think this will lead to NC or NARQ discussions." CreationDate="2012-02-02T17:58:29.753" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5249" PostId="2836" Score="0" Text="There are some &quot;universal&quot; bests (like the items on the [Limoncelli Test](http://everythingsysadmin.com/the-test.html)) -- maybe we could crib some items from there and put it into FAQable form.  Covering those bullets is almost always org-specific though, which opens up the problems Iain mentioned" CreationDate="2012-02-02T18:10:52.297" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5253" PostId="2836" Score="1" Text="Limoncelli (and others) are frameworks of best practice the implementation of which is where the questions and discussion would be." CreationDate="2012-02-02T19:09:07.637" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5255" PostId="2836" Score="2" Text="I've always found the term &quot;best practice&quot; offensive. There is no such thing. The notion of a &quot;best practice&quot; implies something that simply cannot be bettered, now or ever, and we all know that not to be true. What is considered a good practice now may well be the most abhorred practice next year. It's one of those idiotic terms we need to expunge from the industry." CreationDate="2012-02-02T21:11:07.330" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5271" PostId="2836" Score="0" Text="While I agree that it should read &quot;mostly okay practice&quot; instead, it is a set phrase now and something people *(TM)* are looking for. I wanted to emphasize on the organizational aspect of things - questions like &quot;how do I do XY&quot; tend to get several answers illuminating a multitude of aspects of a problem and thus presenting a valuable resource." CreationDate="2012-02-03T08:48:56.530" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5275" PostId="2836" Score="2" Text="We regularly close &quot;What is the best way&quot; questions. I don't see how this would fit." CreationDate="2012-02-03T17:38:47.817" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="5252" PostId="2837" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the reply. I am not fussed about reputation or any credit. I'd settle for just having the information. I'd just hate to type information again." CreationDate="2012-02-02T19:09:02.597" UserId="62681" />
  <row Id="5261" PostId="2843" Score="1" Text="*This is a site for IT professionals, if you need examples, you shouldn't be here.* Yes, hopefully providing the tag lists should help the edge-case users. Hopefully. :|" CreationDate="2012-02-03T00:36:17.163" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="5263" PostId="2843" Score="6" Text="I feel the tags are helpful mostly as they provide links to lists of questions - someone asking &quot;What kind of Ubuntu questions can I ask here&quot; can click the tag &amp; see examples. I don't think they're strictly *necessary*, but it was an aspect of the DBA site's FAQ that I thought was particularly nice." CreationDate="2012-02-03T01:20:13.977" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5267" PostId="2843" Score="3" Text="In terms of the look, almost every line of the first list has a tag in it, which keeps most of the line heights uniform.  If anything, I'd try to find a way to work in a tag or two on the lines without any." CreationDate="2012-02-03T02:46:21.120" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5268" PostId="2843" Score="0" Text="We could also add a line break to the end of each bullet-group which might help with the appearance" CreationDate="2012-02-03T04:30:52.963" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5276" PostId="2846" Score="0" Text="That particular theoretical question might get some traction on security.se.  Searching for ways to implement defense in depth, and considering the potential of a physical network breech seems like it might be on-topic to me." CreationDate="2012-02-03T17:50:21.403" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5277" PostId="2846" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache You completely missed his point. He was posing a hypothetical question in the context he is trying to address." CreationDate="2012-02-03T18:02:10.220" UserId="66126" />
  <row Id="5281" PostId="2846" Score="0" Text="@Publiccert, I think I was pointing out that a better example might be useful." CreationDate="2012-02-03T18:14:53.637" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5282" PostId="2846" Score="0" Text="The example is still valid and hardly necessitates a downvote." CreationDate="2012-02-03T18:16:29.047" UserId="66126" />
  <row Id="5284" PostId="2846" Score="0" Text="@Publiccert, downvoting on meta sites usually means someone disagrees with the point, not that they think think the question bad." CreationDate="2012-02-03T18:20:23.383" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5285" PostId="2846" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. Pretty new to meta but I can't say I'm a fan of downvoting for an opinion. Don't agree? Leave it be. But that's just me." CreationDate="2012-02-03T18:21:36.820" UserId="66126" />
  <row Id="5286" PostId="2846" Score="0" Text="@Publiccert Its a quick and easy way of seeing if people agree with a post or not. It might seem a bit harsh at first but most people are aware of that here so they (I) don't take it personally" CreationDate="2012-02-03T18:44:00.927" UserDisplayName="user80776" />
  <row Id="5289" PostId="2846" Score="0" Text="FWIW, that's actually a pretty good question. We've got a half-rack in a secure datacenter for a government contract and this is *exactly* the sort of thing we've had to implement." CreationDate="2012-02-03T20:13:31.583" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5291" PostId="2846" Score="0" Text="Also, people seem to forget that meta has no effect on overall reputation." CreationDate="2012-02-03T22:04:03.260" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="5278" PostId="2847" Score="2" Text="And, ask in chat instead! I'm sure chat users would love to hash out contrived situations. I hear technical-minded folk like a good puzzle. :P" CreationDate="2012-02-03T18:09:04.660" UserId="102499" />
  <row Id="5287" PostId="2849" Score="2" Text="+1 If the question could be worded so as the difference between theoretical and actual problem fades then it should be fine. If it's whimsical thought experiment then there's no &quot;correct&quot; answer as such." CreationDate="2012-02-03T19:38:08.123" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5288" PostId="2849" Score="2" Text="The correct answer is &quot;Keep the cat in the box forever. At the end of the universe heat death pretty much ensures the cesium atom will have decayed and Kitty will have snuffed it.&quot; (This sort of thinking is why Schrödinger stopped inviting me to his dinner parties.)" CreationDate="2012-02-03T19:43:18.297" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5279" PostId="2850" Score="3" Text="a) those tags you have suggested are worthless (http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/08/the-death-of-meta-tags/) b) give some example of questions that you feel would be on-topic, could have a useful answer, but have been closed." CreationDate="2012-02-03T18:10:38.417" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5280" PostId="2850" Score="0" Text="a) That's your opinion. See how that works? b) The OP already gave a perfectly good example. While not perfectly suited to Serverfault, it's a good example." CreationDate="2012-02-03T18:14:00.737" UserId="66126" />
  <row Id="5283" PostId="2850" Score="5" Text="No, that is the option of the majority of mod, and stackexchange owners.  The owner didn't give a good example.  I think it would have gotten good answers as written on security.stackexchange.  Voretaq7, suggested a minor edit that would result in it probably not getting closed, and getting useful answers here." CreationDate="2012-02-03T18:17:14.113" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="11722" PostId="2852" Score="2" Text="Any thoughts on this since then?" CreationDate="2013-10-05T22:01:28.843" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11748" PostId="2852" Score="1" Text="@FalconMomot nothing new. It's still on our list, but honestly a low priority. We did get an allocation from ARIN so that's something." CreationDate="2013-10-08T16:04:10.597" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="5292" PostId="2858" Score="1" Text="Ah, it's on the main page footer but not the meta footer (that's going to blog.SE)." CreationDate="2012-02-04T07:37:40.363" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="5293" PostId="2858" Score="3" Text="The blog links all over the SE network are F^%$#d up.  On Serverfault, the blog link in the footer takes you to the SF blog, on other sites the footer link takes you to the site-wide blog.  I've never noticed that the footer link on Meta.SF takes you to the site-wide before.  And, of course, the changing link on the top of the page is giving everyone except John Gardeniers indigestion." CreationDate="2012-02-04T08:01:00.960" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5296" PostId="2858" Score="0" Text="@Ward There is actually some method to this particular madness: Sites that *have* a blog (SF, SU, Gaming) have their footer link to the site's blog.  Sites that don't (AskUbuntu, Math) get sent to blog.stackexchange.com.  (well OK, it's either method or pure coincidence).  I have **no** idea why Meta doesn't link to the appropriate site-specific blog though." CreationDate="2012-02-04T21:53:02.190" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5295" PostId="2864" Score="0" Text="Side note, while the license you link to states that others aren't allowed to use SE content without express permission, but every page is tagged with a License Anchor linked to the CC By SA license. A lawyer would have to hash out which license takes precedence since they're conflicting..." CreationDate="2012-02-04T17:22:40.480" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5300" PostId="2864" Score="0" Text="There are very good reasons why we close licensing questions. The main one applies here as well: We are not lawyers." CreationDate="2012-02-05T07:43:12.773" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5307" PostId="2868" Score="1" Text="Seems sensible to me (as does [this proposed change to the reorganized FAQ](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/2871/32986))" CreationDate="2012-02-05T20:25:21.407" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5297" PostId="2872" Score="1" Text="When I put that in the original edit process I struggled with that. Three repetitions of 'including' or 'such as' gets tiring, and I couldn't think of a third option to replace the second 'including'. I just don't know which is better." CreationDate="2012-02-05T02:55:12.603" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5298" PostId="2872" Score="2" Text="@sysadmin1138 How about 'e.g.'? I get your point, and honestly I was a little torn about having the multiple repetitions, but thought that it was more uniform. Maybe using 'e.g' would satisfy the uniformity issue that I see, while still using something that denotes a non-exclusive list." CreationDate="2012-02-05T03:48:54.383" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="5316" PostId="2872" Score="3" Text="We could also just tack &quot;etc.&quot; onto the end of each line (`Operating systems: ........, etc.`) -- That makes it obvious the list isn't exhaustive and avoids &quot;pause phrases&quot;." CreationDate="2012-02-06T06:32:28.333" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5323" PostId="2872" Score="1" Text="I'm fine with either. I just want it to look uniform, whatever is decided." CreationDate="2012-02-06T19:47:45.567" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="5301" PostId="2873" Score="1" Text="I think this should be asked on meta" CreationDate="2012-02-05T07:49:28.560" UserId="58024" />
  <row Id="5302" PostId="2878" Score="2" Text="+1. I would have rejected this as &quot;edit is to minor&quot; to avoid pushing this old stuff back to the front page for a mostly irrelevant edit." CreationDate="2012-02-05T18:05:44.327" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5303" PostId="2878" Score="1" Text="@SvenW Probably should have done that, but Manchester just tied up the game so I wasn't quite concentrating on SF. =]" CreationDate="2012-02-05T18:07:42.170" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5304" PostId="2878" Score="2" Text="Ah, I see. Well, I wouldn't mind even if there was a penalty for rejected edits, I just like to know that sort of stuff when working on community-driven sites :-)" CreationDate="2012-02-05T18:58:18.733" UserId="67343" />
  <row Id="5308" PostId="2882" Score="3" Text="I like the idea a lot, but adding it would break the rule of five. If instead the line could be amended: &quot;We have server sites on the stack-exchange network&quot; it would be nigh perfect." CreationDate="2012-02-06T01:06:41.420" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5309" PostId="2882" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138, and perhaps make `stack-exchange` a link to a suitable page." CreationDate="2012-02-06T01:10:39.480" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5310" PostId="2882" Score="0" Text="I can life with that. Could be combined with the 10vote answer from Ward which is about to be integrated into the text. Adding a comment there." CreationDate="2012-02-06T01:12:42.390" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5314" PostId="2882" Score="2" Text="Having just merged Ward's edit, I couldn't help but notice that 'sister sites' is already a link to the StackExchange site-list." CreationDate="2012-02-06T01:25:27.183" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5325" PostId="2887" Score="1" Text="Right. The teleworker is still in their &quot;office&quot;, it just happens to also be their home." CreationDate="2012-02-06T21:23:05.773" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5341" PostId="2887" Score="2" Text="@ChrisS &quot;Anything in a home setting. No exceptions&quot;. Is a teleworker an exception to &quot;no exceptions&quot; rule?" CreationDate="2012-02-07T08:40:09.043" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5346" PostId="2887" Score="1" Text="Per my answer below, a teleworker isn't in a &quot;Home Setting&quot;, their location happens to be a home but that isn't the same. Perhaps we need some fine print to flesh out the nuances..." CreationDate="2012-02-07T13:55:55.100" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5324" PostId="2888" Score="2" Text="One of my employers works from his office in another state. That office is located in his home, yet is very much part of the network I administer." CreationDate="2012-02-06T20:37:50.023" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5348" PostId="2888" Score="2" Text="As with my [Answer to that VPN Question](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/2890/33417) &quot;Home Setting&quot; and &quot;Location that happens to be a home&quot; aren't the same. For tele-workers their &quot;Office&quot; and &quot;Professional Environment&quot; happens to share space with a non-professional environment. The non-professional environment doesn't infect their use of technology for professional purposes. Perhaps we need a different phrase than &quot;Home Setting&quot; but **misinterpretation is a terrible excuse for defanging the FAQ**." CreationDate="2012-02-07T14:05:33.897" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5361" PostId="2888" Score="0" Text="The problem is that any phrase we use can be misinterpreted -- If we disallow &quot;Hobbyist&quot; / &quot;Amateur&quot; / &quot;Enthusiast&quot; questions we'll get &quot;HI I'm the sysadmin for my small company. I've got this rack in my basement on my genuine 56K AOL Dial-Up connection and...&quot;.  I think the intent of &quot;Home setting&quot; is pretty clear, and if we allow exceptions for remote-workers  (implicitly by removing `No exceptions.`) we'll be OK.  If we try to get into a word-war there will always be someone craftier than us trying to weasel in a truly off-topic question." CreationDate="2012-02-08T23:58:38.113" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5362" PostId="2888" Score="0" Text="(Also note that all of this is predicated on people ***reading the FAQ*** -- The folks asking &quot;home user&quot; questions we don't want here are precisely the ones who will probably skip the FAQ :-)" CreationDate="2012-02-08T23:59:43.090" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5328" PostId="2892" Score="2" Text="Perhaps it's because of &quot;Community&quot;'s current reputation: Community♦ 666. Oh no, we're doomed!" CreationDate="2012-02-07T00:26:50.737" UserId="57332" />
  <row Id="5332" PostId="2892" Score="0" Text="I always knew there was something satanical about that user..." CreationDate="2012-02-07T03:54:56.107" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5329" PostId="2893" Score="0" Text="Yup. [What can cause my question to be bumped?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/48579/142484)" CreationDate="2012-02-07T00:44:47.727" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="5330" PostId="2893" Score="2" Text="And one advantage of that is we get to close some of this old crap, which would otherwise remain hidden." CreationDate="2012-02-07T01:02:04.570" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5331" PostId="2894" Score="7" Text="I _strongly_ dislike the aesthetic of having tags inline. It makes it hard to read. If those were changed to links it would still achieve the intended purpose without making it look horrible. Also, it's &quot;Super User&quot;, not &quot;SuperUser&quot;, and &quot;Stack Overflow&quot;, not &quot;StackOverflow&quot;." CreationDate="2012-02-07T03:20:33.313" UserId="28016" />
  <row Id="5334" PostId="2894" Score="1" Text="I've got no problem with links instead of tags (I started the tag business based on [DBA's FAQ[](http://dba.stackexchange.com/faq) -- Our stylesheet is substantially uglier, but prettying that up is a matter for another debate).  I'm content to leave capitalization/formatting of site names to the SE team - I assume that they will at least cast their eyes over this and make sure we aren't making any tragic mistakes." CreationDate="2012-02-07T04:04:10.693" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5335" PostId="2894" Score="2" Text="Ok, we need/want a 2/3rds majority but is there some minimum number of votes for it to pass or are we just using the time limit? Just curious." CreationDate="2012-02-07T06:24:57.827" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5336" PostId="2894" Score="3" Text="changing tags to links sounds like a good idea. It would make for a more compact read" CreationDate="2012-02-07T07:37:49.677" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5338" PostId="2894" Score="3" Text="I'd prefer links to tags too. It's a good compromise between keeping the tags and getting rid of them, and will allow the [grammatical inconsistencies to be resolved](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/2843/11604)." CreationDate="2012-02-07T07:57:15.087" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5344" PostId="2894" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers I *want* over 100 total votes, which would bring it to about 20-25% of the votes cast for moderators. I have an [open question](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/121473/131633) about using a System Message to point main-site users to this poll. If we get that, we might actually break 50." CreationDate="2012-02-07T12:46:56.753" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5352" PostId="2894" Score="0" Text="Is it too late to make [windows-server-2008] say [windows-server-2008-r2] since that's the latest? I know it's a bit late, but it doesn't change the substance." CreationDate="2012-02-07T15:07:28.230" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5358" PostId="2894" Score="1" Text="Changing tags to links was suggested in the editing round and wasn't accepted.  If anything, I'd prefer to add to the visual appeal you get by breaking up blocks of text by putting in icons for the sister sites and figuring some way to work tags into the off-topic subject lists." CreationDate="2012-02-08T02:40:14.607" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5333" PostId="2895" Score="13" Text="Provisionally approved with the caveat that if [stripping &quot;no exceptions&quot; from the Home setting line](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/2888/32986) manages to top 10 upvotes we should proceed with it.  (I'm holding off locking that edit round to see if it makes it)" CreationDate="2012-02-07T04:00:54.133" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5337" PostId="2895" Score="3" Text="Agreed, because [corporate use of the home environment is an exception](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2885/serverfault-superuser-or-nowhere)." CreationDate="2012-02-07T07:49:30.560" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5342" PostId="2895" Score="1" Text="Indeed, we should strip the &quot;no exceptions&quot;." CreationDate="2012-02-07T10:38:34.123" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="5347" PostId="2895" Score="7" Text="I strongly disagree with removing the &quot;no exceptions&quot; part. I think people are confusing &quot;Home Setting&quot; with &quot;Location that happens to also be a Home&quot;, they weren't intended to be the same and maybe that line needs to be worded differently. Any Questions with the intentions of being used by a Non-Professional user should already be Off-Topic. That line was simply trying to restate the fact for the specific case of non-professional home users (particularly those who might be using enterprise equipment for non-professional uses)." CreationDate="2012-02-07T14:01:32.623" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5353" PostId="2895" Score="4" Text="Leaving the &quot;no exceptions&quot; in there will very likely result in perfectly legitimate questions being flagged or voted as OT. Strictly speaking a &quot;Location that happens to also be a Home&quot; IS a &quot;Home Setting&quot;. While most of us are intelligent enough to be able to tell the practical difference there will be plenty around who either can't tell the difference or won't be bothered to make the distinction." CreationDate="2012-02-07T20:28:45.610" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5354" PostId="2895" Score="0" Text="What if &quot;home setting&quot; was replaced with &quot;hobbyist setting&quot;, or something to that effect." CreationDate="2012-02-07T20:42:13.173" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="5355" PostId="2895" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Exactly what I was driving at. The only alternative I can think of is, &quot;Anything not connected with the work place&quot;, although, in context with &quot;and is not about...&quot;, would make it a double negative." CreationDate="2012-02-07T21:53:29.000" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5356" PostId="2895" Score="0" Text="@kce, we get quite a few questions about home settings where the poster don't see themselves as hobbyists. e.g. A sysadmin setting up a lab at home." CreationDate="2012-02-07T22:03:31.653" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5357" PostId="2895" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers: Oh well that makes sense. We'll just have to assume new users can exercise some context-awareness." CreationDate="2012-02-07T23:20:29.363" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="5360" PostId="2895" Score="4" Text="vortetaq7's post re stripping the &quot;no exceptions&quot; has 11 votes now, so will that change get included?" CreationDate="2012-02-08T06:52:39.640" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5339" PostId="2896" Score="1" Text="+1 for &quot;tags&quot; and &quot;no exceptions&quot; as detailed above." CreationDate="2012-02-07T07:59:46.130" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5345" PostId="2896" Score="1" Text="I can't condone the ban on “circumventing … policy”." CreationDate="2012-02-07T13:36:09.400" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="5351" PostId="2896" Score="9" Text="@Gilles Policy circumvention has been discussed time and again. If you're a professional Systems Admin, you won't be circumventing policy. Doing so is, by definition, unprofessional." CreationDate="2012-02-07T15:06:01.057" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5370" PostId="2896" Score="2" Text="Small nit to pick: The sentence goes like this - &quot;If your question is about [blah] and it is not about [blah]  then you’re in the right place to ask your question!&quot; However that seems too strongly typed. Someone *could* think &quot;Well I don't see my exact system...&quot; so it might be nice to place some kind of ambiguity in there. &quot;If your question is about ***things like...***&quot;" CreationDate="2012-02-09T03:58:51.517" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5377" PostId="2896" Score="1" Text="@WesleyDavid, while on the surface it would appear you're correct, if you actually read the parts you replaced with [blah] things are completely different. A person who can't see those tags/links as merely examples, despite the inclusion of words such as &quot;including&quot; or &quot;such as&quot;, probably isn't the person we want posting on SF." CreationDate="2012-02-09T20:38:52.737" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5379" PostId="2896" Score="1" Text="I think we should be more explicit about what we mean by &quot;circumventing security or policy&quot;.  I think we all know what we mean by that, but if someone is reading a FAQ, he might think twice about posting a question on the edge of that, and that's detrimental to the community." CreationDate="2012-02-09T20:51:33.653" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="5380" PostId="2896" Score="1" Text="@wfaulk: I don't think we will loose anything worthwhile if some borderline acceptable questions regarding policy circumventing etc. don't get posted." CreationDate="2012-02-09T21:28:06.930" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5382" PostId="2896" Score="0" Text="I have no problem with &quot;circumventing ... policy&quot;.  It's &quot;circumventing security&quot; that bugs me.  Sysadmins do that somewhat frequently in password recovery, file recovery, etc." CreationDate="2012-02-10T01:02:06.443" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="5340" PostId="2897" Score="0" Text="Ah, I see it has been stated already that this is the root of the problem. My bad, I should have read the comments beforehand :=|" CreationDate="2012-02-07T08:10:40.960" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5366" PostId="2898" Score="2" Text="Whichever route we go we should try to find somewhere more prominent than the m.SO post for explaining how to turn on (or OFF) the highlighting..." CreationDate="2012-02-09T02:31:57.887" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5367" PostId="2898" Score="0" Text="It's there, just buried at the bottom of the page: http://serverfault.com/editing-help#syntax-highlighting (fixed the link in the answer)" CreationDate="2012-02-09T02:35:25.073" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5368" PostId="2898" Score="0" Text="I was more referring to the list-o-languages, though this is pretty obscure too :)" CreationDate="2012-02-09T03:17:46.987" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5371" PostId="2898" Score="1" Text="Please, only use the up votes." CreationDate="2012-02-09T07:06:14.027" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="5364" PostId="2899" Score="0" Text="FTFY​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​" CreationDate="2012-02-09T02:27:22.083" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5365" PostId="2899" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson Thanks :)" CreationDate="2012-02-09T02:30:54.440" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5861" PostId="2901" Score="1" Text="This answer has been implemented with the addition of [tag:perl],[tag:vb].[tag:vb.net],[tag:powershell]" CreationDate="2012-03-22T17:38:08.757" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5369" PostId="2902" Score="2" Text="With no questions it should disappear in a few hours I think?" CreationDate="2012-02-09T03:54:55.070" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5374" PostId="2902" Score="0" Text="Heh. Usually this is because someone entered &quot;windows 2003&quot; on the tag-line :P. We get to clean these up once in a while." CreationDate="2012-02-09T13:02:02.997" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5375" PostId="2902" Score="0" Text="I honestly can't think of a good reason *not* to burninate [tag:2003] :)" CreationDate="2012-02-09T16:05:30.247" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5376" PostId="2903" Score="0" Text="I wasn't aware of that, otherwise I'd never even have brought this up." CreationDate="2012-02-09T20:32:07.077" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5378" PostId="2903" Score="0" Text="I'm sure that if there were a manual it would be written in it ;)." CreationDate="2012-02-09T20:43:16.113" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5387" PostId="2903" Score="2" Text="@Iain This must be a Linux shop -- DOCUMENTATION IS FOR WIMPS!" CreationDate="2012-02-10T05:27:43.840" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5401" PostId="2903" Score="1" Text="@vortaq7, I'd argue that documentation is for users. It keeps them confused and busy long enough for us to get useful work done." CreationDate="2012-02-11T00:08:11.803" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5400" PostId="2904" Score="0" Text="Strange, I marked this as accepted yesterday and this morning that mark is clear. Let's try that again." CreationDate="2012-02-10T23:50:59.040" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5394" PostId="2908" Score="1" Text="Looks like most of the questions are talking about Integrated Windows Auth; but the more general concept of integrating a Single Sign On authentication scheme into an application protocol, particularly via the GSSAPI spec, does stand as it's own topic in computing theory/programming/implementation. I agree, should be renamed or the question that are talking about IWA retagged." CreationDate="2012-02-10T18:08:08.083" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5395" PostId="2908" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS I think most of the non-IWA Single Sign-On folks use [tag:single-sign-on] (?) -- I don't really play in these areas much though so don't count my vote for much (I do central account management/authorization, but not GSSAPI and not SSO unless you count centralized SSH keys)" CreationDate="2012-02-10T18:23:25.447" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5390" PostId="2909" Score="3" Text="While Iain's answer is correct, of course, I have to say you make a good point - logout should be more visible, or at least more easily discoverable." CreationDate="2012-02-10T09:19:59.090" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5393" PostId="2909" Score="2" Text="FYI if you are not using your personal computer, then you should probably be using the incognito/private browsing feature of the Internet browser, so that none of your cookies/authentication/etc gets saved for any service/site." CreationDate="2012-02-10T18:07:03.310" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5405" PostId="2909" Score="0" Text="Good point, I always forget on that feature.." CreationDate="2012-02-11T02:11:47.303" UserId="88401" />
  <row Id="5391" PostId="2910" Score="0" Text="Hahaha omg! It realy is the only place and it is very hard to spot :). Thanx for the answer buddy :)" CreationDate="2012-02-10T09:25:33.853" UserId="88401" />
  <row Id="12371" PostId="2910" Score="1" Text="Umm, where did you say that was? Can you show a larger screenshot? I can't seem to find the spot you showed." CreationDate="2014-02-13T13:00:39.043" UserId="35054" />
  <row Id="12372" PostId="2910" Score="2" Text="@Marki: They moved it when they updated the top bar." CreationDate="2014-02-13T13:05:40.027" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22891" PostId="2910" Score="0" Text="Where did &quot;logout&quot; get moved to? I can't see it no matter how I hover." CreationDate="2020-05-28T19:06:55.647" UserId="395" />
  <row Id="22894" PostId="2910" Score="0" Text="Check out the cheeseburger on the right - yeesh" CreationDate="2020-05-31T18:48:10.107" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5402" PostId="2912" Score="0" Text="Did the removal of &quot;no exceptions&quot; make it in?" CreationDate="2012-02-11T00:17:50.383" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5403" PostId="2912" Score="3" Text="@JohnGardeniers Since the edit round was done, I was not monitoring the edit question. So no, it didn't make the final copy. However, I see a lot of interest in striking that language. Of all the suggested edits after the edit round closed, all but that one are minor or cosmetic. By the rules we should have a normal edit question after the FAQ goes live, but it already has enough votes to 'pass'. So I'm going to short-circuit that and make the edit." CreationDate="2012-02-11T01:00:24.633" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5407" PostId="2915" Score="4" Text="Can you provide a specific example?" CreationDate="2012-02-11T05:58:02.377" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5420" PostId="2915" Score="1" Text="why don't you just link to the relevant question?" CreationDate="2012-02-12T06:21:06.140" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5432" PostId="2915" Score="0" Text="&quot;who don't really know much but the related field of the question and comment anyway&quot; (I'll assume that's a typo and you meant &quot;about&quot;, not &quot;but&quot;). This implies that you consider yourself so expert that you are able to judge others on a single comment. That's extremely presumptuous and egotistical in my view, especially from someone so new to the site." CreationDate="2012-02-13T01:37:26.547" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5435" PostId="2915" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Yes, I don't have the greatest grammar... it's not that one is an _'expert'_ but merely when a junior answers incorrectly passing on either bad practises, bad advice or something they have read and based on purely _theoretical_ knowledge. Which without a doubt most people have encountered in their work history." CreationDate="2012-02-13T03:35:46.253" UserId="109844" />
  <row Id="5409" PostId="2917" Score="1" Text="He's reverting your edits now..." CreationDate="2012-02-11T15:33:49.187" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5415" PostId="2917" Score="0" Text="@ErikA, I see you are amongst those rectifying that. Maybe he'll take the hint." CreationDate="2012-02-11T23:02:02.693" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5412" PostId="2918" Score="1" Text="Thanks @chris I usually try to keep this as a rule of flag thumb. As I'm fairly new to this site and its etiquette I wanted to clarify before flag certain comments as not everything is black and white." CreationDate="2012-02-11T21:53:09.353" UserId="109844" />
  <row Id="5410" PostId="2919" Score="0" Text="He doesn't always link to his own articles, sometimes it's to technet articles or other sources.  But somehow the combination of the bold heading and the links to his (mostly) his own articles seems like a way to drive traffic to his blog." CreationDate="2012-02-11T17:14:48.717" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5411" PostId="2919" Score="1" Text="OTOH, at the end of an answer about PTR records, he's got link to one of his posts that's almost unrelated to the rest of the answer." CreationDate="2012-02-11T18:55:13.740" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5414" PostId="2919" Score="0" Text="Ok, maybe I'm wrong and he really is spamming. Of course rolling back my edits means I'm more likely to be hard on him." CreationDate="2012-02-11T22:58:27.117" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5417" PostId="2919" Score="2" Text="I would be more inclined to beat him with a rubber hose if the &quot;further reading&quot; links to his articles weren't (mostly) relevant, or if he had ads on them (I didn't spot any).  I'm a bit annoyed he's not stating that they're his articles more explicitly though, and the bold headlines in every answer bug me -- It makes the times the rest of us do it (like telling people to ***for the love of $_DEITY turn off telnet***) have less impact..." CreationDate="2012-02-12T01:06:09.843" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5423" PostId="2919" Score="1" Text="Well this is turning into an arms race. He's reverting edits that myself and several others have made to his answers, putting the inappropriate formatting back in place. [Example1](http://serverfault.com/questions/353897/use-different-dns-servers-for-cdns/353940#353940), [Example2](http://serverfault.com/questions/357171/does-windows-dns-automatically-register-all-domain-members/357636#357636), [Example3](http://serverfault.com/questions/357171/does-windows-dns-automatically-register-all-domain-members/357636#357636). Perhaps an email from a mod is in order?" CreationDate="2012-02-12T13:54:39.530" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5413" PostId="2920" Score="0" Text="Thanks, its about as clear as mud. I will use my discretion when encountering the less experienced and assess accordingly." CreationDate="2012-02-11T22:50:32.807" UserId="109844" />
  <row Id="5416" PostId="2920" Score="0" Text="@onxx Clear as mud just about sums things up nicely." CreationDate="2012-02-11T23:12:07.720" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5430" PostId="2921" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure I understand the update that you just posted. Why do you think that the answers used as examples by Shane are poorly formatted?" CreationDate="2012-02-12T23:37:03.127" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5431" PostId="2921" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra, not poorly formatted, simply visually very unappealing. There is a difference." CreationDate="2012-02-13T00:32:04.930" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5418" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="100% agreed. I regularly use bullets, headings, and horizontal rules in answers to more complex questions." CreationDate="2012-02-12T01:14:25.523" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5437" PostId="2924" Score="0" Text="I believe we already do penalize them - they are not allowed to use links which makes referencing difficult. I see why this is being made, but taking the headlines away as well would be patronizing IMHO." CreationDate="2012-02-13T08:42:55.070" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5421" PostId="2927" Score="0" Text="What I think I deducted from all of this is that votes to close expire after some time if the quota isn't hit, and I am unable to renew the vote. Is this correct?" CreationDate="2012-02-12T12:01:28.370" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5422" PostId="2927" Score="0" Text="@SvenW: Yes, close/reopen votes expire as detailed [here](http://serverfault.com/privileges/close-questions)." CreationDate="2012-02-12T13:16:37.100" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5424" PostId="2928" Score="2" Text="If we were used to seeing sentences-long section headers around here, perhaps it would be less of an issue. But **no one** else here does that and as such, it's very jarring at first sight and then continues to be distracting while reading the post. If the community prefers to see answers written in a certain way, that's what the edit button is for. I may be wrong, but from this meta QA, there are more than a few of us that think his markup is distracting." CreationDate="2012-02-12T14:38:52.533" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5425" PostId="2928" Score="0" Text="This meta QA is anything but a representative sample. It also typically will represent the attitude of the *regular answer posters*, not the one of questioners or information seekers who are likely to have different views on things. As long as he is posting profound answers, he definitely should be left alone. Personal resentments or controversies around taste or style surely do not diminish the value of his contribution." CreationDate="2012-02-12T15:48:56.830" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5426" PostId="2928" Score="1" Text="I clearly do not have any gripe about his content. There is nothing personal going on here.  The edit button is there for a reason- myself and several others feel the formatting could use some help. So we helped." CreationDate="2012-02-12T16:05:19.277" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5427" PostId="2928" Score="0" Text="The blog post you cite could be used to support either of our viewpoints. In this instance, I'm frankly sick of thinking about it so I'll let it go. I still maintain, though, that sentences-long section headings are problematic on many levels. If this person wants to continue using them, so be it. The community will do their thing and munge answers into the format they prefer." CreationDate="2012-02-12T20:02:53.220" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5428" PostId="2930" Score="1" Text="I'm not going through all his old answers, it seems to me this isn't the first time he's outdone TomTom." CreationDate="2012-02-12T20:51:44.610" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5429" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="Whether it's your question or not, feel free to flag what you think is offensive or inappropriate. I'm sure the mods will make a decision impartially." CreationDate="2012-02-12T22:52:31.543" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5433" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I flagged one of the comments. I'll have to say though, his answer (and comments) got me looking into some things, and I'm now in the process of adding PTR records for all of the domains hosted on this machine. You never know when you're going to learn something valuable!" CreationDate="2012-02-13T01:49:59.297" UserId="57332" />
  <row Id="5436" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="@David, *everyone* knows something someone else doesn't know." CreationDate="2012-02-13T03:59:27.027" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5434" PostId="2931" Score="0" Text="Can't say I was &quot;offended&quot;, but it bothered me none-the-less on this type of site. Its the principle of the matter that bothered me more than anything. At any rate, I've accepted his answer as it did point me in the right direction. Anyway, thanks - aside from flagging, didn't know if it would be helpful to post about it in here or not. So I did (obviously)." CreationDate="2012-02-13T02:30:03.990" UserId="57332" />
  <row Id="5438" PostId="2932" Score="0" Text="I've just noticed that the question John has cited in fact deliberately used `&lt;h2&gt;`. I still think that we should be changing the template, not the answer contents, to change the looks." CreationDate="2012-02-13T09:10:58.403" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5448" PostId="2932" Score="0" Text="I agree that it's the template that needs changing but when someone uses the template to produce posts which are grossly out of character with the rest of the site I feel perfectly justified in changing it. Not the content, just the appearance." CreationDate="2012-02-13T20:28:29.387" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5449" PostId="2932" Score="0" Text="Incidentally, the posts that triggered this topic used the `##` markdown for the first sentence/paragraph of the answer, not a section heading." CreationDate="2012-02-13T20:30:42.317" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5440" PostId="2934" Score="0" Text="I only try to make a suggestion, I did feel that it belonged elsewhere.  So you are saying that instead of flagging this to people that might be able to migrate it appropriately (I don't that that priv) with a suggestion (not necessarily right) that a close is more preferred?" CreationDate="2012-02-13T17:40:51.020" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="5441" PostId="2934" Score="0" Text="what you are also implying by your statement, is that perhaps one should be less specific in the verbage on a moderator flag.  I only try to help the moderator who I suspect has more global knowledge than I." CreationDate="2012-02-13T17:42:41.017" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="5442" PostId="2934" Score="0" Text="@mdpc If you really are unsure where it should go other than 'not here', close-vote for straight OT. Then follow up with a flag for where you think it might belong (so long as that list is not one of the 5 migration targets we have). If it gets hammered, your name will appear on the close-credits list like it should." CreationDate="2012-02-13T17:47:14.393" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5443" PostId="2935" Score="0" Text="I can't say a close is appropriate whereas a migrate might be." CreationDate="2012-02-13T18:22:03.120" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="5444" PostId="2935" Score="3" Text="Migration is a form of close. Click on the close link under a question and see." CreationDate="2012-02-13T18:26:37.123" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5445" PostId="2935" Score="1" Text="@mdpc Specifically Migration is an option when you close something as Off-Topic (it gives you the chance to send it to some of the places we usually migrate things to).  That list is by no means exhaustive ([or static](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2589/formally-changing-the-4-migration-target)) though, so if you know of a better home for something and it's not on the short list definitely flag it to let us know." CreationDate="2012-02-13T18:46:45.503" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5446" PostId="2935" Score="0" Text="Do moderators check on 'close' information like flagging a post?" CreationDate="2012-02-13T19:33:57.193" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="5447" PostId="2935" Score="0" Text="I do, I can't speak for the rest of the mods though." CreationDate="2012-02-13T19:38:30.487" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5455" PostId="2935" Score="0" Text="I'm pretty sure most of us **do** look at the close votes and whatnot in situations like this." CreationDate="2012-02-15T14:56:18.313" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5450" PostId="2936" Score="3" Text="In situations where you solve or work around it yourself, you could answer it yourself and accept your own answer, of course." CreationDate="2012-02-14T21:17:29.267" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5452" PostId="2938" Score="5" Text="Favourite cheese?" CreationDate="2012-02-14T23:42:51.703" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="5456" PostId="2938" Score="0" Text="@Chopper3 [CHEESE ROLL CALL!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufJTqT5gMg0)" CreationDate="2012-02-15T14:56:32.097" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6879" PostId="2938" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Your prodding may have gotten a survey, but did we ever get any results from said survey?" CreationDate="2012-09-07T01:04:54.503" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5451" PostId="2939" Score="1" Text="Size does matter -- I know from the questions we get (and the fact that **I** work in a relatively small organization) that we have a lot of small-office SAs coming in." CreationDate="2012-02-14T22:43:20.810" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5461" PostId="2939" Score="0" Text="Organization size for schools needs to include student count. Both total and [FTE](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-time_equivalent)." CreationDate="2012-02-15T18:59:29.773" UserId="7645" />
  <row Id="5463" PostId="2939" Score="1" Text="Such a question would reveal the diversity of our roles, which if nothing else would help some people to realise that not everyone here works in a similar environment to their own. That's gotta be a good thing." CreationDate="2012-02-15T20:32:05.780" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5466" PostId="2940" Score="0" Text="When I read your list it looks too much like one of those surveys we get presented with far too often by trade publications and the like. I don't think any of us get much pleasure out of doing those. The point being that this may be counter productive by discouraging people form participating. I would suggest a far less detailed list." CreationDate="2012-02-15T20:38:52.590" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5469" PostId="2940" Score="0" Text="I'm definitely not married to any specific level of detail (though I tend to think that more is better) - I want to come away knowing more about what we do: How many people are Windows versus Unix? How many are using virtualization (and what kind)? etc. and whether we get down to the nitty-gritty or not is secondary to having a broad picture." CreationDate="2012-02-15T20:45:22.283" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5503" PostId="2940" Score="0" Text="`What kind of virtualization solutions are deployed in your organization` - could also add &quot;None&quot; as I expect there are some shops that are just running plain servers." CreationDate="2012-02-17T15:24:05.853" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="5504" PostId="2940" Score="0" Text="@tombull89 Good point.  I don't know any company that's not even dabbling with VirtualBox, but I'm sure there's one." CreationDate="2012-02-17T15:24:54.073" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5454" PostId="2942" Score="2" Text="Or if it is flagged for deletion and the mod handling the flag agrees." CreationDate="2012-02-15T10:58:22.250" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5459" PostId="2942" Score="0" Text="Hmmm....would this be something additional to add to the FAQ?" CreationDate="2012-02-15T17:08:35.103" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="5462" PostId="2942" Score="0" Text="@mdpc Might be worth considering as a network-wide additional page for the FAQ (not sure what I'd call it though)" CreationDate="2012-02-15T19:37:00.920" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5468" PostId="2942" Score="0" Text="I believe that last line about only requiring three votes is somewhat incorrect. e.g. That horrible question about favourite server names. When I cast my vote to delete I was informed that it would take something like another 210 votes for it to be deleted. At the time there weren't that many SF people with voting rights." CreationDate="2012-02-15T20:44:08.010" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5470" PostId="2942" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers This is true. Questions with large amounts of votes need more delete votes. I believe 3 is the baseline for a &quot;normal&quot; closed question. You're definitely right that it's not always the case, though." CreationDate="2012-02-15T20:49:39.733" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5453" PostId="2943" Score="1" Text="maybe salary in conjunction with an area or region, as it can vary from location to location" CreationDate="2012-02-15T03:10:39.970" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="5457" PostId="2943" Score="0" Text="Region is an important one (I think the SO survey asked for this, we definitely should - It makes a lot of the other data more meaningful)" CreationDate="2012-02-15T15:59:45.670" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5458" PostId="2943" Score="0" Text="But on backups... that's a big one because I have no idea how most places accomplish their backups." CreationDate="2012-02-15T16:02:52.700" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="5460" PostId="2943" Score="0" Text="Region and salary are already on it :); although i think backup procedures might be a bit much for a multiple choice survey" CreationDate="2012-02-15T18:14:20.440" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="5465" PostId="2943" Score="1" Text="-1 for the salary suggestion. It's so incredibly localised as to be absolutely meaningless on a global site. Discussion of salaries also bring out too much pride, envy/jealousy and discussion. It might almost be bearable on a forum but is definitely not healthy on a Q&amp;A site." CreationDate="2012-02-15T20:35:59.597" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5505" PostId="2943" Score="0" Text="Salary, while would be interesting (and likely to make me cry), would depend on the job as well as location. A Junior-level sysadmin in a school would make a lot less that one working in say, a bank, or SME." CreationDate="2012-02-17T15:25:54.667" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="5506" PostId="2943" Score="0" Text="True, but I think the expectations are a big thing. I've seen job ads offering $45k for the skillset of a $120k engineer. Sysadmins should know what they're worth." CreationDate="2012-02-17T15:27:26.970" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="5464" PostId="2945" Score="5" Text="An important point that I didn't know until after being told: The FAQ is a guide for new people, not the basis for topicality decisions. THAT belongs to the [meta-tag:faq] tag." CreationDate="2012-02-15T20:33:26.167" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5472" PostId="2945" Score="0" Text="Really, the only difference I'm seeing between this and the proposal that was declined is the removal of the tags. I fail to see how this makes it &quot;easier to understand&quot;" CreationDate="2012-02-15T21:33:53.440" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="5473" PostId="2945" Score="0" Text="@Holocryptic I listed the changes at the bottom, so you wouldn't have to pull out `diff`. I'll keep it updated with any changes that get merged." CreationDate="2012-02-15T21:43:35.063" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5475" PostId="2945" Score="0" Text="Right, I saw that as I was writing the comment. But it is essentially the majority of the change as proposed here." CreationDate="2012-02-15T21:45:45.173" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="5476" PostId="2945" Score="0" Text="I guess what I'm getting at is what you were alluding to in your disclaimer. What is &quot;easy to understand in 30 seconds&quot;? I've looked at the proposed FAQ again and again, and don't see how it's complicated." CreationDate="2012-02-15T21:47:03.003" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="5487" PostId="2945" Score="4" Text="My objections were that the other version was a wall of text in an overwhelming kind of way, and things like - isn't it enough to just say &quot;operating systems&quot;, why the need to list out operating systems?  IMO, the inline tag css made things more difficult to read and contributed to the wall of text feel.  I have nothing specifically against mentioning sister sites.  I'd suggest a goal of the scope of your site in an easy to understand manner, not the nitty gritty details." CreationDate="2012-02-16T03:58:32.053" UserId="21550" />
  <row Id="5495" PostId="2945" Score="7" Text="@RebeccaChernoff Because of all of the bazillion technology-related SEs, the nitty-gritty does matter to us. It's not like we're English or Cooking. While I think that keeping certain things standardized among all SEs is a good thing, I think that the trend lately to treat all of them with the same blanket rules without considering the scope or problems for each individual site is just wrong." CreationDate="2012-02-16T18:32:20.050" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5501" PostId="2945" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra &quot;blanket rules&quot; has nothing to do with this." CreationDate="2012-02-17T01:59:43.647" UserId="21550" />
  <row Id="5502" PostId="2945" Score="5" Text="It sounds like there is a blanket rule of how the introduction of the FAQ &quot;should&quot; be. I also think that introduction paragraph is exactly where nitty gritty should go (as do the majority of users), but there is, apparently, a network-wide decree that this is wrong. My point is that there seem to be arbitrary rules that don't make sense for every SE, but are applied to them anyway. If A51 is going to continue to fracture our community, we'll continue to need a more and more complex FAQ to keep up with the complex SE ecosystem." CreationDate="2012-02-17T04:25:18.650" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5525" PostId="2945" Score="0" Text="&quot;there seems to be a degree of disparity between appearances and intentions&quot;. For a site that is supposed to be community driven we seem to be having surprisingly little say in how it operates. It reminds me of the colour choices Henry Ford presented to his customers. &quot;You can have any colour you like, as long as it's black&quot;." CreationDate="2012-02-19T20:56:19.040" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5471" PostId="2947" Score="3" Text="Well, we are actually technically only editing the answer to ONE of the Questions in the FAQ: &quot;What kind of questions should I ask here&quot;" CreationDate="2012-02-15T21:20:06.400" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="5474" PostId="2947" Score="0" Text="@Zypher, when you put it that way..." CreationDate="2012-02-15T21:45:34.377" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5488" PostId="2956" Score="1" Text="all surveys have inherent bias. If we recognize our bias that's a good start :)" CreationDate="2012-02-16T05:01:22.343" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5492" PostId="2957" Score="0" Text="since we're not going into specifics, we can't do this everywhere (no meta tags, etc), but I think it would be a good addition" CreationDate="2012-02-16T14:54:37.897" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="5497" PostId="2960" Score="2" Text="I would say no, mostly because we've already got 5 listed there (so if you wanted to remove something and add Apple I might support that). It is our #5 migration target. IT Security is the #8 target." CreationDate="2012-02-16T21:20:45.897" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5498" PostId="2960" Score="0" Text="Is 5 the limit?" CreationDate="2012-02-16T21:23:12.713" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5499" PostId="2960" Score="2" Text="People don't &quot;like&quot; having more than 5 items in a list... It's not like I can boycott the idea of a 6th, but we have to arbitrarily draw the line somewhere." CreationDate="2012-02-16T21:24:39.650" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5500" PostId="2960" Score="0" Text="If you stretch the 5 limit to 6 for any reason it becomes much harder to stop there and 7, 8, etc. start popping up." CreationDate="2012-02-17T01:49:37.663" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5512" PostId="2960" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers **Ban Bulleted Lists** :-)" CreationDate="2012-02-17T20:43:10.110" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5513" PostId="2963" Score="4" Text="Look at you trying to get the number of unanswered questions on meta reduced. Have an upvote." CreationDate="2012-02-17T21:26:24.237" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5516" PostId="2964" Score="0" Text="Just had a FreeBSD ad sighting - looks to be working now.  Squeaky wheel gets their ad shown, I guess." CreationDate="2012-02-17T23:22:32.500" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5517" PostId="2964" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden I figured that would be the case ;)" CreationDate="2012-02-17T23:56:55.780" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5524" PostId="2966" Score="0" Text="I am not sure that there is a good reason for the way all the old question are they way they are.  I know when I have composed questions like this in the past where the bulk of the content is links, or copied material, I generally choose CW.   Some questions become CW because of the rules built-into the system that automatically make them so. (many edits/etc)." CreationDate="2012-02-19T08:40:18.500" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5514" PostId="2968" Score="0" Text="This works for me." CreationDate="2012-02-17T21:53:45.140" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5515" PostId="2968" Score="1" Text="This is pretty much what happened. If we made it for the purpose of getting a huge answer, it's not really fair to rep-game like that. Plus, that way everyone gets to have their input." CreationDate="2012-02-17T21:54:41.273" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5523" PostId="2971" Score="0" Text="It has. I was posting with Opera all along." CreationDate="2012-02-18T13:04:14.693" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5526" PostId="2976" Score="1" Text="And, as you can see in the Vote To Close chat room (I see you're looking at that right now), the older question is also up for closing.    That type of shopping/survey question was accepted in the early days, but now they're routinely closed." CreationDate="2012-02-19T22:30:35.830" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5527" PostId="2976" Score="0" Text="I'd argue that the examples in that &quot;shopping question&quot; post are way different from that question (not asking &quot;for the best registrar&quot;, but for a registrar with specific features), and the conclusion &quot;the best recommendations will be obsolete within a year&quot; does not apply in this case as the similar linked question looks quite popular/useful after more than 2 years." CreationDate="2012-02-19T22:31:38.137" UserId="41387" />
  <row Id="5529" PostId="2976" Score="1" Text="@Razor: It doesn't matter if this example is still useful after 2 years, because it could have been useless by now. We don't know beforehand so we just don't do shopping questions at all, no exceptions." CreationDate="2012-02-20T01:49:33.190" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19658" PostId="2976" Score="0" Text="Isn't part of the whole point of Stack Exchange that you can vote up newer and better answers and vote down older answers that aren't as good anymore? I guess the objection to that is it takes too much time to overcome all the voting momentum behind the older answers? But if something is obsolete sooner, then that momentum plays less of a role, right? And anyway, if the problem is obsolesence, what in the world do we do with all those obsolete answers to non-shopping list questions that have way too much voting momentum behind them?" CreationDate="2015-10-05T21:21:24.630" UserId="314961" />
  <row Id="19659" PostId="2976" Score="0" Text="Categorizing questions might add some value, but dissallowing whole categories of questions subtracts a whole lot of value." CreationDate="2015-10-05T21:24:54.157" UserId="314961" />
  <row Id="19660" PostId="2976" Score="0" Text="It seems most likely to me that if I'm in the minority view, I'm in the minority of the vocal minority, and the silent majority out there, full of people who don't have time for this kind of discussion or this kind of voting is probably far and away in agreement with me. We use Stack Exchange to Communicate. It is The Best way we have to do that. Disallowing questions doesn't help us do that, it prevents us from doing that. The value of Stack Exchange is how well it facilitates that communication. Dissallowing whole categories of questions dramatically reduces that value." CreationDate="2015-10-05T21:29:56.853" UserId="314961" />
  <row Id="19661" PostId="2976" Score="0" Text="What value does closing a question add to the set of answers a person can find on a Stack Exchange site? Isn't the goal to help facilitate valueable communication? How does shutting people up contribute toward that goal? &quot;This isn't the right place for that question.&quot; Fine, so vote to move it to the right place and vote to create a better place if there isn't one. But don't shut people up, that's wrong on way too many levels for way too many reasons." CreationDate="2015-10-05T21:52:27.837" UserId="314961" />
  <row Id="5528" PostId="2977" Score="3" Text="Unfortunately our non-moderator high-rep users who close things don't always leave a message why" CreationDate="2012-02-20T00:06:17.763" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5530" PostId="2977" Score="2" Text="That's a good reminder, @MarkHenderson. I'll make a concerted effort to leave explanatory note along with close votes." CreationDate="2012-02-20T02:28:00.287" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5531" PostId="2977" Score="0" Text="For what it's worth, I almost never used to leave comments until I became a mod either" CreationDate="2012-02-20T02:29:04.327" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5532" PostId="2977" Score="0" Text="If I may share my point of view - I got my question downvoted and closed without any reason given, I suspect because it was assumed I didn't read FAQs. I *did* read them, back when I joined nearly 2 years ago when this rule didn't exist, so making a specific close reason that isn't a generic &quot;off-topic&quot; would, IMHO, help to clear the confusion that is created in cases like this, otherwise users like me will just see other open similar questions and assume that asking them is fine. A message like Mark suggested would be ok as well, if a specific close reason cannot be added." CreationDate="2012-02-20T08:51:56.707" UserId="41387" />
  <row Id="5535" PostId="2977" Score="1" Text="@Razor Unfortunately the close reasons are network-wide (I agree that the list of close reasons does not cover all the common scenarios, but I don't think the Stack Exchange team is going to expand that list substantially in the foreseeable future -- If you would like to prod the team open a mSO question for it and drop the link here, you'll probably get a few upvotes).  We do try to encourage people commenting when they downvote or vote to close, but we cannot make this mandatory (it just encourages useless comments like &quot;DFGHDGUIWRHEJGFHJ&quot;: We can't enforce ***coherent*** comments :-/)" CreationDate="2012-02-20T16:50:52.713" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5534" PostId="2978" Score="0" Text="I'm really not sure why those were off-topic, but have been since before I got here. It may be a holdover from SO (where they were off-topic when SF and SU were created; of course SO now has programmers.SE, and we had an Area51 proposal for a similar site). Maybe it's time to revisit the idea: 1. Change our policy *or* 2. ITPros.SE" CreationDate="2012-02-20T13:30:23.823" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5536" PostId="2980" Score="15" Text="Wow... so that's what the &quot;Ask Question&quot; UI looks like... &gt;smile&lt;" CreationDate="2012-02-21T18:42:36.680" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="5537" PostId="2980" Score="3" Text="Weird and unfamiliar, innit?" CreationDate="2012-02-21T18:44:15.930" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5540" PostId="2980" Score="1" Text="You raise a good point.  While my comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, it was still somewhat serious.  We should have a canonical question that gives (at least at a high level) some generic guidance for the askers of these questions." CreationDate="2012-02-21T19:47:18.680" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="5543" PostId="2980" Score="0" Text="I'd argue that anyone posting such questions probably doesn't belong on a site for professionals." CreationDate="2012-02-21T20:32:22.973" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5548" PostId="2980" Score="0" Text="Would it be reasonable to send a message to the OP a link to the FAQ in cases where they are closed as NARQ?" CreationDate="2012-02-22T15:01:32.987" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="5538" PostId="2981" Score="0" Text="Perhaps it should be re-written into something a bit more generic? Lots of useful information already there." CreationDate="2012-02-21T19:12:14.683" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="5539" PostId="2981" Score="3" Text="I'm not sure we should rewrite the existing ones - I think a generic canonical &quot;Can you help me with my capacity planning&quot; question (that then links to these other questions in the answer) would make more sense." CreationDate="2012-02-21T19:25:23.763" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5541" PostId="2982" Score="0" Text="This would be a ***great*** component of a larger answer" CreationDate="2012-02-21T19:50:38.333" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5542" PostId="2982" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Yeah, I just got a *&quot;Thanks. Is a single VPS as web-server/app-server enough to start during initial phases ? (My application offers a networking &amp; socializing platform to a niche community of users) How do I decide about the no of VPS as app servers required?&quot;*... I'll write this up in the next 24 hours." CreationDate="2012-02-21T20:04:18.680" UserId="3139" />
  <row Id="5544" PostId="2982" Score="0" Text="Once I start building the algebraic equations eyes start glazing over." CreationDate="2012-02-21T22:23:54.750" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5549" PostId="2982" Score="0" Text="I began a wiki question for this purpose http://serverfault.com/q/350454/50875.  I'd love to see this addition!" CreationDate="2012-02-22T15:05:35.977" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="5545" PostId="2984" Score="8" Text="That was my question actually - and a very early one in the history of SF, I personally wasn't up to speed with what was appropriate and not, not even sure if it was as clear back then as it is now - and personally have no problem with that being closed - if only because any answers to that given back in 09 would be out of date by now anyway." CreationDate="2012-02-22T10:36:10.073" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="5556" PostId="2984" Score="0" Text="Wow.. only now I did notice the date of that question - 2009. I saw it coincidentally when it showed on the front page.. I didn't knew that on the front page could actually be displayed so old question :)" CreationDate="2012-02-22T20:26:10.240" UserId="88401" />
  <row Id="5558" PostId="2984" Score="1" Text="I believe that if Chopper3 saw such a question posted today he wouldn't hesitate to cast a close vote on it. ;)" CreationDate="2012-02-22T22:17:48.303" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5557" PostId="2991" Score="2" Text="I think it's fair to say that any question posted to SF is asking for help, which makes the tag rather redundant." CreationDate="2012-02-22T20:30:20.447" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5550" PostId="2992" Score="0" Text="Is there a way to edit tags that doesn't bump Qs back to the homepage? I'm a measly &lt;10k user =(" CreationDate="2012-02-22T16:29:29.590" UserDisplayName="user80776" />
  <row Id="5551" PostId="2992" Score="0" Text="No, any tag edits will force them to the front page, unless it's done by the SE devs I think." CreationDate="2012-02-22T16:32:55.770" UserId="33499" />
  <row Id="5552" PostId="2992" Score="1" Text="Don't worry about bumping to the front page. Just do them in bursts of 4-5 and you'll be fine." CreationDate="2012-02-22T16:40:25.657" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5553" PostId="2992" Score="0" Text="I've killed all the questions tagged with [help], can we kill the tag now?" CreationDate="2012-02-22T18:02:54.807" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="5554" PostId="2992" Score="0" Text="It'll go away automatically." CreationDate="2012-02-22T18:04:05.020" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5555" PostId="2992" Score="1" Text="Just need to watch the tag perhaps and retag anything new appears.." CreationDate="2012-02-22T18:04:52.823" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="5570" PostId="2993" Score="0" Text="If we interpret that as a double-negative, it becomes &quot;worth&quot;... ;-)" CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:00:51.947" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="5560" PostId="2996" Score="2" Text="Can you link to the questions?" CreationDate="2012-02-23T16:20:16.117" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5561" PostId="2996" Score="2" Text="There's a [vote abuse algorithm](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/120595/does-the-vote-abuse-algorithm-roll-back-valid-votes) that should detect &quot;abuse&quot;, but nobody knows the votes/time ratio required to trigger it." CreationDate="2012-02-23T16:22:34.437" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="5562" PostId="2996" Score="5" Text="Gotta take the ying with the yang I'm afraid ;)" CreationDate="2012-02-23T16:23:06.823" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="5583" PostId="2996" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't class it as abuse based on two votes. Its entirely possible for someone to click on a question you've answered, dowvote your question and follow your username to another question you're both interested in and do the same there, because they genuinely and reasonably believe the answers both deserved a downvote. Its also possible for them to do the same and upvote. Neither is abuse of the voting system and you've got to take the rough with the smooth." CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:36:33.027" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5610" PostId="2996" Score="1" Text="These two I'm guessing? http://serverfault.com/questions/183879/linux-64b-dangerous-kernel-exploit http://serverfault.com/questions/190840/mount-a-ext4-partition-on-mac-os-x Edit: Just noticed John linked to these in his answer below." CreationDate="2012-02-23T21:11:12.897" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5563" PostId="2997" Score="5" Text="...that's what I'd expect the person who downvoted him to say...hmm..." CreationDate="2012-02-23T16:23:37.057" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="5564" PostId="2997" Score="0" Text="I've downvoted a lot, including this meta question, but I'm not the cause of this post. Sorry for the disappointment." CreationDate="2012-02-23T16:26:13.357" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5565" PostId="2997" Score="0" Text="...well, that kind of surprised me as a response." CreationDate="2012-02-23T16:34:25.773" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="5566" PostId="2997" Score="0" Text="I'm not taking it personnaly, and this is not a big deal. However I respect the work of others, where it's sincere and justified ; and I'm  expecting the same. These 2 downvotes are obviously an abuse. It's not the number of points, it's the intention. I have some consideration for the SE sites, where most questions and answers show a high level of competency ; such instinctual and childish behavior should be discouraged. At least, the guy could have downvoted twice in a week, and i wouldn't have noticed..." CreationDate="2012-02-23T16:58:57.507" UserId="51913" />
  <row Id="5567" PostId="2997" Score="2" Text="Why is two downvotes abuse? First of all, there are thousands of users. Coincidence happens. Assuming coincidence is ruled out, the user could have read your profile, looked through, found two things worthy of a DV and downvoted. That's hardly abuse." CreationDate="2012-02-23T17:02:40.440" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5568" PostId="2997" Score="1" Text="In fact, I just looked at your profile and there are multiple things that I'd consider worthy of a downvote and a close vote, but given the circumstances *that* would be abuse, so I left them be." CreationDate="2012-02-23T17:29:55.633" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5625" PostId="2997" Score="0" Text="Maybe there were also things you could have upvoted?" CreationDate="2012-02-24T02:29:37.140" UserId="51913" />
  <row Id="5626" PostId="2997" Score="0" Text="Sure, but your question is complaining about being downvoted. I'm simply saying that I can see why that happened and don't disagree, that's all." CreationDate="2012-02-24T02:46:46.523" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10961" PostId="2997" Score="0" Text="#MDMarra I think you're missing the point. From the brief time that I've spent in Meta.SF I've noticed a lot of people with these concerns myself included. And generally speaking, when a lot of people have the same concern one should assume there might actually be a valid reason? StackOverflow doesn't seem to suffer from downvoting?" CreationDate="2013-07-19T14:56:11.597" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="5569" PostId="2998" Score="3" Text="You should provide links to examples." CreationDate="2012-02-23T17:49:18.497" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5586" PostId="2998" Score="0" Text="Yes. You've probably been around long enough to start feeling it, and I'm really too impatient explain it. :)  Actually, I did drop a &quot;FFS draw a diagram man&quot; comment on somebody's terrifying network problem description, then punted it to SuperUser yesterday. Understanding your question isn't supposed to be harder than solving your problem." CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:38:44.673" UserId="3139" />
  <row Id="5621" PostId="2998" Score="0" Text="@JeffFerland I have been around for about 7 months total and only started actively answering questions recently and I have noticed a dramatic shift in the quality of questions." CreationDate="2012-02-23T22:32:40.970" UserDisplayName="user89350" />
  <row Id="5571" PostId="2999" Score="2" Text="I will of course defend the counter-point: Since getting my diamond I've seen how aggressive we are as a site in blasting half-formed questions into the void.  Some tolerance and hand-holding is needed (and I think as a site we *could* do better at helping people fix their lousy questions).  The fine line we have to walk is determining if the question (post-fixup) would really be worth having around." CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:05:51.720" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5572" PostId="2999" Score="4" Text="Tricky move putting the dissenting view in a comment. You can't -1 a comment. :)" CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:07:28.333" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5574" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra If someone wants to jump up and say we have a problem with the number of close/delete votes they can post their own answer :-P -- I'm just pointing out that we're aggressive about making bad things go away and less inclined toward fixing them than I'd (personally) like to see." CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:11:04.803" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5577" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="I think we ARE getting actively annoyed with new posters.  My other concern is we are raising the bar, not holding it steady." CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:19:30.877" UserId="19710" />
  <row Id="5582" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="@uSlackr: I guess that we are currently experiencing a phase where we get relatively few good questions and a load of crap. This might be an unfortunate side effect of better rankings in Google for various search terms, but it might lead to the impression of shorter patience from top users." CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:36:12.367" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5584" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="@uSlackr I agree we are trying to raise the bar -- I just happen to feel that's a **good** thing for the site. The bar was effectively non-existent in the Good Old Days (Shopping questions were OK, even welcomed, Home use questions weren't aggressively kicked to SuperUser, we tried to work out complex DBA and security stuff here).  Times have changed though: Shopping questions are definitively off-topic network-wide, Home use is always the province of SuperUser, we have DBA, IT Security, and AskUbuntu for narrowly-focused sub-topics." CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:38:31.227" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5585" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="@uSlackr: Also, I think that we actually needed to rise the bar with regard to topicality. This is a consequence of the ever growing fragmentation of StackExchange and means that e.g. a Linux shell script question that wouldn't be a problem here two years ago is now clearly off-topic." CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:38:41.710" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5587" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="To throw some data into the discussion: Our asking and answering rate has been relatively consistent since about 2010. Our close rate has definitely increased over time, and our year-over-year close/delete rate has *substantially increased*, however much of this is related to our cleanup (closing/locking/deleting) old off-topic questions, and seems to come in a periodic surge of activity as @SvenW alluded to, and if the general trend holds there should be less closings happening soon." CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:48:25.020" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5596" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="@SvenW: Shell scripting is generally on topic." CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:42:58.793" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5600" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="@Iain: I know, it was just a bad example..." CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:48:16.887" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5605" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="From the about page: &quot;we can build good answers to *every* question a system administrator or desktop support professional might have.&quot; (emphasis mine).   Sounds to me that the creators want to bring content into the site, not push it out to google." CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:56:08.857" UserId="19710" />
  <row Id="5613" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="@uSlackr I'm not sure where you got that line from (AH! The [about](http://serverfault.com/about) page!), but &quot;[W]e can build good answers to every question a ***system administrator or desktop support professional*** might have.&quot; (emphasis *mine* :).  *Professionals* do not scream &quot;HALP! HALP! IZ B0RKEN!&quot; without doing some research first. As others have said, in this field putting zero effort into your question does not normally motivate others to want to help you (or if we do the help is &quot;Go do some research and come back if you still have questions.&quot;)" CreationDate="2012-02-23T21:14:13.327" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5615" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="http://serverfault.com/about Second paragraph - middle.  This isn't a question of how to be successful in IT - It's a question of how to keep SF a viable/vibrant community.  (I agree there is a relationship at the individual level)" CreationDate="2012-02-23T21:28:57.130" UserId="19710" />
  <row Id="5573" PostId="3000" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't be surprised at all about how many people don't read the FAQ.  It's been a fact of internet life since the AOL users first gained  internet access.  Asking them to read the FAQ and referrring them to a particular point in the faq is one thing.  Saying &quot;please, please, please...&quot; with no explanation as to why is another.  It sounds to me like &quot;go away you bother me&quot;.  My larger concern is whether the tone of the site is changing form helpful to annoyed." CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:10:05.460" UserId="19710" />
  <row Id="5576" PostId="3000" Score="1" Text="I assume that you're [referring to this comment](http://serverfault.com/questions/363085/hardware-virtualization#comment366806_363085). If the OP had read the *first sentence* of the faq, they would have known that it was off-topic. If you think that I was wrong, we're going to have to agree-to-disagree." CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:12:12.680" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5581" PostId="3000" Score="1" Text="@uSlackr - I think MDMarra linked to the most relevant section of the FAQ (the first page).  Remember that new users are implored to read the FAQ and the How To Ask documents before asking their first question. There is even [***A BADGE FOR READING THE FAQ***](http://serverfault.com/badges/158/analytical) -- As of right now only 415 people have this badge (which makes me a Sad Unicode Panda)." CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:30:27.663" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5598" PostId="3000" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Perhaps that badge should be silver" CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:46:46.187" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5599" PostId="3000" Score="2" Text="At this rate, it could be gold and it still would only have 400 owners." CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:47:57.650" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5604" PostId="3000" Score="0" Text="@Bryan If we make it silver or gold I'd like some kind of comprehension test at the end of it.  You can literally get that badge without reading a word: Just click every link in the FAQ.  The fact that it's that easy and still only 400 people have done it is kind of pathetic..." CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:55:34.767" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5578" PostId="3001" Score="4" Text="I don't think the clueless newbies are a real problem here, as long as they demonstrate a willingness to learn and show some effort. The problem are users who demonstrate with every aspect of their questions that they are lazy fools who don't care at all about their problem, where they ask it and don't think for a minute about what might be needed to help them." CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:20:43.840" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5579" PostId="3001" Score="1" Text="[Google is the Grail](http://www.google.com) -- just my 2 cents, but many of the questions we get where the asker is yelled at to read the FAQ and do some research are like [this one](http://serverfault.com/questions/363085/hardware-virtualization). Literally typing `hardware virtualization benefits` &amp; `hardware virtualization drawbacks` into Google would have given this person SUPERB answers, and been faster than asking here." CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:21:31.717" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5580" PostId="3001" Score="1" Text="And to follow on from Voretaq7's comment above, just a *hint* that they'd done the necessary with Google and were asking for some deeper, more considered nuances of some of the issues, would change the tone of the responses they would get - not just in terms of patience but in terms of flat-out better quality answers. **Sometimes its difficult to justify putting more effort into answering a question than the person asking put into the question itself**" CreationDate="2012-02-23T18:29:05.487" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5606" PostId="3001" Score="0" Text="@RobMoir - interesting comment - I was voted down in metaSu for suggesting short answers might be OK: http://meta.superuser.com/questions/3190/too-many-upvotes-for-poor-quality-answers/3235#3235" CreationDate="2012-02-23T21:02:46.477" UserId="19710" />
  <row Id="5608" PostId="3001" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 see my comment above re:google. I think the about page thinks differently about this topic. Which is fine of course, but interesting" CreationDate="2012-02-23T21:03:49.440" UserId="19710" />
  <row Id="5620" PostId="3001" Score="0" Text="@uSlackr well that's there and here's here. Of course, a question doesn't need to be long to be thoughtful. &quot;I can haz youtube clone on my unexpanded vic20 server plz&quot; is a dumb question whether its asked in 20 words or 2000." CreationDate="2012-02-23T21:57:58.453" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5588" PostId="3002" Score="3" Text="This is why I only answer 1-2 questions a week these days" CreationDate="2012-02-23T19:26:01.713" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5616" PostId="3002" Score="0" Text="So are you saying today's new-comer is less teachable than those from 2008/09, or that you are more jaded?" CreationDate="2012-02-23T21:30:16.473" UserId="19710" />
  <row Id="5622" PostId="3002" Score="1" Text="There certainly seems to be more of a 'just do my work for me' attitude than when the site was new, SO many questions where new users have *clearly* ignored the previous questions suggested by their 'question' title." CreationDate="2012-02-23T23:22:14.843" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="5627" PostId="3002" Score="0" Text="No time to leave something longer, but I suspect we've crossed a threshold where people who need their hands held find SF a good place to get answers, and they're now *seriously* outnumbering the pros who flocked here in a marked way. I'm pretty sure SO went through this transition too, and we all know how hostile they can get to teh stupidz." CreationDate="2012-02-24T03:20:48.043" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5590" PostId="3004" Score="4" Text="Seems fine to me. To be clear: You're talking about the time it takes for HTTP requests to complete, not the turnaround time from question to answer -- right? :)" CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:29:25.347" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5592" PostId="3004" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 I think he's referring to answer times." CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:34:04.827" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="5595" PostId="3004" Score="0" Text="@Jacob, that's what I thought, but then 'beef that site up' sounds like he's asking about the hardware." CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:38:06.387" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5597" PostId="3004" Score="0" Text="If the OP is indeed talking about answer response time, perhaps it's because on an increase in the incompleteness or ambiguity in questions lately..." CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:45:37.340" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5603" PostId="3004" Score="0" Text="@Jacob That was my initial impression as well, but the question in that context makes no sense: The universal solution to slow answer times is &quot;hire the talent&quot; and a lecture about not complaining about free services :-)" CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:53:55.723" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5631" PostId="3004" Score="0" Text="I've noticed a couple of intermittent packet loss issues which [apparently are due to the upstream ISP's (peer1.net) problems](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/3396392#3396392). The last days seemed to be fine, though." CreationDate="2012-02-24T13:06:28.717" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5589" PostId="3005" Score="0" Text="Interesting other SE sites seem a lot more responsive, even the meta site." CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:23:47.230" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="5591" PostId="3005" Score="0" Text="I can middle-click a question and it's fully loaded and ready to go before I can navigate to the tab that it opened in. Seems fine to me." CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:33:59.477" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5593" PostId="3005" Score="0" Text="@mdpc I can't see a difference here. You've not been [slow banned](http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/06/suspension-ban-or-hellban.html) have you? :)" CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:34:52.630" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5594" PostId="3005" Score="0" Text="@mdpc, I'm not seeing any difference between meta and main." CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:36:14.183" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5601" PostId="3006" Score="0" Text="I don't know if it surprises me, but it bothers me because I don't believe this site was created for the answer-ers - it was created for the askers.  Surely it gives an incentive to answer questions, but the real value is to the people who come here for help.  If the ask-ers stop coming by for help, then we can sit around and stare at our belly-buttons." CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:50:11.360" UserId="19710" />
  <row Id="5602" PostId="3006" Score="0" Text="@uSlackr, when the rep system is clearly biased *against* asking questions I have to wonder whether the site really is for the askers. Then again, that might be just my cynicism coming to the surface." CreationDate="2012-02-23T20:53:35.113" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5609" PostId="3006" Score="0" Text="See the about page and FAQ for my response on that.  Agreed the system favors good answers, but without the questions it gets real quiet around here... (so we have to move to meta for fun.)" CreationDate="2012-02-23T21:06:21.027" UserId="19710" />
  <row Id="5614" PostId="3006" Score="0" Text="I'm curious how you think that the system favors askers? Most high-rep users get there from answers, since an answer upvote is worth double a question upvote, **but** you don't need to actually...know anything...to ask a question and get rep from it. Answers are more highly rewarded because they require some level of knowledge/expertise. Questions just need to be on topic to get rep. I'd say it's fairly balanced." CreationDate="2012-02-23T21:21:10.493" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5617" PostId="3006" Score="0" Text="Did I say it favored the askers?  I said the system is pretty pointless without questions &amp; ask-ers." CreationDate="2012-02-23T21:41:00.343" UserId="19710" />
  <row Id="5623" PostId="3006" Score="2" Text="I meant answerers, and it was in response to @JohnGardeniers. Perhaps you should cool your jets. :)" CreationDate="2012-02-24T00:38:45.893" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5607" PostId="3007" Score="6" Text="VTC could be renamed to *Improve or Close* or something like that and handle both cases, since the close traffic is quite low." CreationDate="2012-02-23T21:03:26.480" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5612" PostId="3007" Score="1" Text="Great idea, @SvenW." CreationDate="2012-02-23T21:14:00.503" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5629" PostId="3007" Score="1" Text="Re-purposing VTC would *probably* work, but I think any posts nominated for improving would have to be very clearly marked.  Right now, the people who post in VTC typically put only very terse notes about what they think is wrong with a post, it might not work if improvable posts are marked something like &quot;imp.&quot;" CreationDate="2012-02-24T04:46:05.590" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5630" PostId="3007" Score="1" Text="I've renamed VTC Improve or Close lets see how this goes." CreationDate="2012-02-24T12:57:24.553" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5632" PostId="3007" Score="0" Text="@Ward better yet, mark them with an [Imp symbol](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FbFu1YBZ-Hw/S3qJyIuNzrI/AAAAAAAAAfg/dNxj-iyeR4M/s400/MaxImp.jpg)." CreationDate="2012-02-24T13:11:26.947" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5651" PostId="3007" Score="0" Text="Seems like a good idea to me -- I think oneboxing the crap and posting links with a little note about stuff that can possibly be improved/saved could work as a way to distinguish the questions." CreationDate="2012-02-25T06:10:45.503" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5611" PostId="3008" Score="0" Text="I used to see that sstatic domain issue, but haven't seen it in six months or so." CreationDate="2012-02-23T21:13:27.600" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5624" PostId="3009" Score="0" Text="Hmm I must agree the wording makes the sentence unclear (the 1st one meaning was that the hack possible only after log in). But, two old questions downvoted within a minute sounded suspicious to me. It was less for -4 (just lost 100 in a bounty) than to alert SF about a possible random downvoter around." CreationDate="2012-02-24T02:29:01.477" UserId="51913" />
  <row Id="5628" PostId="3009" Score="0" Text="@ring0, sometimes when reading someone's post I might look to see what else they've written. Perhaps that's what happened here." CreationDate="2012-02-24T03:55:11.917" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="10960" PostId="3009" Score="0" Text="Guys, if it seems 'somewhat' unclear but you're not entirely convinced that someone else won't make perfect sense of it then why not just IGNORE the question instead of downvoting. As you can see he got perfectly good answers and the question was actually upvoted???" CreationDate="2013-07-19T14:52:15.550" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="5635" PostId="3015" Score="1" Text="Why do I care about a bunch of goats?" CreationDate="2012-02-24T20:46:53.657" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="5636" PostId="3015" Score="1" Text="I'm glad you didn't say you wanted to punch a PFY :) much appreciated." CreationDate="2012-02-24T20:49:15.090" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="5642" PostId="3018" Score="1" Text="&quot;[tag:restart], I think you're a *meta* tag. We don' like your kind 'round here, an' I'm gonna send your fingerprints off to Washington...&quot;" CreationDate="2012-02-24T23:17:43.523" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5637" PostId="3019" Score="3" Text="Approve, I think, the Council, of Jedi, does." CreationDate="2012-02-24T23:09:38.633" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5638" PostId="3020" Score="1" Text="Four legs good! Two legs bad!  (oops, wrong book!)" CreationDate="2012-02-24T23:10:27.773" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5663" PostId="3020" Score="0" Text="Despite your claim, I can still remember it. Oh wait... it's fading." CreationDate="2012-02-26T20:42:24.657" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5639" PostId="3021" Score="3" Text="Is that wonton with rice noodles or egg noodles?" CreationDate="2012-02-24T23:11:48.460" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5640" PostId="3021" Score="0" Text="I'm feeling a bit wanton with my comments today." CreationDate="2012-02-24T23:12:22.063" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5641" PostId="3021" Score="0" Text="@Ward Now I have to leave it like that forever so your comment makes sense! (fried Wontons, with rice noodles. If you ***must*** know. Throw them at the tag while they're still hot and dripping with boiling oil!)" CreationDate="2012-02-24T23:13:02.957" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5643" PostId="3021" Score="0" Text="I may be in the minority here, but I prefer fried wontons to wonton soup." CreationDate="2012-02-24T23:31:45.150" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5644" PostId="3021" Score="2" Text="There are different qualities of wontons, and different soup bases, I sometime eat myself almost sick on decent wontons that I can buy and eat with rice noodles in a good, no-MSG broth.  mmmm, I know what I'm eating tonight..." CreationDate="2012-02-24T23:35:29.553" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5645" PostId="3021" Score="0" Text="Tell me more, sir." CreationDate="2012-02-25T00:15:14.537" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5647" PostId="3021" Score="0" Text="@Ward Make sure you make enough soup to share with the rest of the rabble." CreationDate="2012-02-25T04:07:53.753" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5649" PostId="3021" Score="0" Text="We use this stuff for all our bouillon needs: http://www.superiortouch.com/retail/products/better-than-bouillon/organic-bases  Chicken for stock for wonton w/ noodles, Beef for gravy for lamb or roast beef." CreationDate="2012-02-25T05:52:45.827" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5652" PostId="3021" Score="0" Text="@Ward I'm a fan of [this stuff](http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00153C4B4/ref=asc_df_B00153C4B41913202?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;tag=hyprod-20&amp;linkCode=asn&amp;creative=395093&amp;creativeASIN=B00153C4B4) myself -- also available in vegetable and beef (though nowhere near as compact)." CreationDate="2012-02-25T06:13:19.337" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5653" PostId="3021" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Yeah, I've used that brand and it's good.  Two good things about the Better than Bouillon stuff: Costco carries it, and for things like wonton, you can make the broth weak if you want.  The wontons give a lot of flavour to the soup, so the broth I make starts out quite weak, and never gets too salty." CreationDate="2012-02-25T06:15:55.127" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5656" PostId="3022" Score="0" Text="This should be done. Let's keep an eye on it until it dies a terrible death." CreationDate="2012-02-26T02:43:52.717" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5666" PostId="3022" Score="0" Text="I'm an idiot. It's not dead, I was filtering by unanswered." CreationDate="2012-02-26T21:43:06.540" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5654" PostId="3023" Score="2" Text="Can we help - by pushing it in (Frodo-style)...?" CreationDate="2012-02-25T11:52:45.060" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="5646" PostId="3024" Score="3" Text="Because poor lighty could use some love between all these Apache and nginx questions!" CreationDate="2012-02-25T01:44:39.640" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5728" PostId="3024" Score="0" Text="I'm wondering which conclusion to jump to - It's unpopular or it's so easy to use that people don't need to ask questions about it. Maybe I should try it out for myself." CreationDate="2012-02-29T00:11:19.263" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5730" PostId="3024" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Give it a shot; it's unpopular, at least relative to the major players, but that's not a good indicator of its quality (or ease of use)." CreationDate="2012-02-29T01:39:32.197" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5648" PostId="3026" Score="0" Text="Off is better than on" CreationDate="2012-02-25T04:11:34.963" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5650" PostId="3026" Score="1" Text="Maybe call [this](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/2898/72586) a consensus and purge a lot of the default highlights?" CreationDate="2012-02-25T05:59:01.273" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5657" PostId="3027" Score="0" Text="This should be done. You can [status complete] whenever" CreationDate="2012-02-26T02:45:20.547" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5658" PostId="3029" Score="4" Text="As much as I think each of those firmware/distro/whatevers is a waste of good bytes based on my experiences with all of them, I don't think we should mark things as automatically OT because we don't think they're up to scratch. Because apart from anything else, I bet we've all got little lists of other technology that wouldn't be missed, and at that point we're on a dangerous road." CreationDate="2012-02-26T08:14:39.483" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5672" PostId="3033" Score="0" Text="OpenWRT is indeed a special case: In most cases it is an unintended use of the manufacturer's hardware, which voids your support from the vendor at the very best (and your warranty at the very worst).  I've got no problem with accepting the questions (if they're on-topic otherwise) and even giving helpful answers, but it behooves us as *professionals* to strongly discourage such things :-)" CreationDate="2012-02-27T16:02:52.480" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5676" PostId="3033" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 it is great for labs or non-critical equipment due to the versatility. And just because something has no support from the hardware vendor does not mean that it is entirely unsupportable. I know of a whole bunch of companies making their living by offering support contracts for third party hardware - not exactly home routers, but not their own stuff nonetheless." CreationDate="2012-02-27T17:31:05.337" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5677" PostId="3033" Score="0" Text="I'm not disputing their utility, or even that there may be appropriate questions on these alternate firmwares, I'm merely pointing out that in my personal opinion ***any*** question on the use of a device outside the manufacturer's intended scope should have answers prefaced with `You REALLY shouldn't do that, but if you must:`.  This protects Server Fault's reputation and keeps us from degrading into a home for hackery. (Extreme example: &quot;You ***can*** use a Cisco 65xx as an end table / space heater. Cisco won't help you if you spill your coffee on it though.)&quot;" CreationDate="2012-02-27T19:59:26.323" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5659" PostId="3034" Score="0" Text="I have merged your accounts together user:105707 is the master account now and is associated with your yahoo email account." CreationDate="2012-02-26T08:29:11.060" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5660" PostId="3034" Score="0" Text="thx allot for your help" CreationDate="2012-02-26T08:31:14.193" UserId="105707" />
  <row Id="5661" PostId="3039" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the well-reasoned response.  It simply seems that SF is sometimes/occasionally set to be people's default search provider.  While it's an easy way to build points, I feel that it makes the experience suffer." CreationDate="2012-02-26T17:28:11.693" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="5662" PostId="3039" Score="1" Text="My highest-rated answer (http://serverfault.com/a/189577/50875) is in response to a question that is borne of ignorance. (Note: I don't rate ignorance as a bad thing.) This is a question that you would not know the answer to unless you'd dealt with it; There is no manual addressing the issue, and many people have come across this in their careers.  (Though I'd never expect that answer to have garnered so many points.)" CreationDate="2012-02-26T17:30:43.127" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="5664" PostId="3040" Score="0" Text="I only see 16. Actually less since I've retagged some. Am I missing something obvious?" CreationDate="2012-02-26T21:36:27.437" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5665" PostId="3040" Score="0" Text="Follow up: I'm an idiot." CreationDate="2012-02-26T21:41:46.713" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5667" PostId="3040" Score="0" Text="Can we have a dev do this?" CreationDate="2012-02-26T22:00:30.573" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="6597" PostId="3042" Score="0" Text="Prolly too late now but home-server was quite possibly a valid tag for the Microsoft home server product as opposed to the generic 'I have a server at home'.  (Also just because it is aimed at home does not always imply that it is off topic)" CreationDate="2012-07-16T11:45:42.730" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="6598" PostId="3042" Score="4" Text="@JamesRyan I think windows-home-server would be a better tag for that anyway so that it follows the naming conventions of the other windows server tags." CreationDate="2012-07-16T12:46:22.767" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5723" PostId="3044" Score="0" Text="I think that we want to weed out any tags with &lt; 25 questions in it, since we can handle those ourselves. They should be moved into a new list." CreationDate="2012-02-28T13:48:45.170" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5841" PostId="3044" Score="0" Text="Would think some of the DB related ones might merit migrating some of the Q's to DBA.SE" CreationDate="2012-03-15T12:52:58.483" UserId="1447" />
  <row Id="7213" PostId="3044" Score="1" Text="I unearthed another 100ish tags. I'll put in some for burnination. `install` and `timeout` need *way* more cleanup before I'm submitting those. General rule: if there's &gt;150 questions in the tag, and most of those are open questions, I'm probably not burninating." CreationDate="2012-10-10T22:51:53.583" UserId="102499" />
  <row Id="7214" PostId="3044" Score="4" Text="**What monster have I created?!**" CreationDate="2012-10-10T23:10:06.460" UserId="3139" />
  <row Id="7227" PostId="3044" Score="0" Text="I've gone through and purged the 'untagged' questions. A large number of these were questions relating to education/career/hiring, and **ALL** of those tags were purged. So I've been deleting all but the most popular. Our old-time users may see some rep-loss due to that." CreationDate="2012-10-11T15:17:31.890" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5678" PostId="3045" Score="0" Text="We can probably also remove the [tag:faq] tag from things that have been addressed in the rewrite." CreationDate="2012-02-27T20:21:18.153" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5679" PostId="3045" Score="0" Text="Also Related: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1760/server-fault-is-for-system-administrators-in-a-professional-capacity" CreationDate="2012-02-27T20:21:57.810" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5682" PostId="3050" Score="0" Text="+1; but would closing/locking have helped in this case? The reason it was frontpaged was because I edited [my answer](http://serverfault.com/a/121718/11604) to make use of the keyboard markdown which I wasn't aware of when I posted it. (The reason it came to my attention BTW was due to my answer being awarded the necromancer badge a few minutes ago)." CreationDate="2012-02-27T22:38:45.137" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5683" PostId="3050" Score="0" Text="&quot;Hidden Features&quot; are the exception to the rule that has been bestowed by the powers on high. Let me find the link." CreationDate="2012-02-27T22:39:59.780" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5689" PostId="3050" Score="0" Text="@Bryan: It's not about your edit, which I think was fine, but these type of question where historical accepted here, but are not anymore and should be treated like other questions of this type, which is to lock them." CreationDate="2012-02-27T22:44:10.370" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5694" PostId="3050" Score="0" Text="@SvenW, okay I thought you were suggesting it should be locked/closed to prevent it from reappearing on the front page, and I wasn't aware that either of those action would achieve that if another edit was made." CreationDate="2012-02-27T22:53:25.663" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5719" PostId="3050" Score="0" Text="We're not Wikipedia; something they do well is &quot;lists of stuff&quot;, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unix_utilities and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MS-DOS_commands" CreationDate="2012-02-28T02:55:47.997" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="5684" PostId="3051" Score="0" Text="Thanks, that was quick :)" CreationDate="2012-02-27T22:40:29.253" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5685" PostId="3051" Score="0" Text="before you lock it let me find a meta.so thread about hidden features" CreationDate="2012-02-27T22:40:29.547" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5686" PostId="3051" Score="0" Text="...and now locked (I believe I got them all - at least all the linked ones)" CreationDate="2012-02-27T22:40:41.793" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5687" PostId="3051" Score="2" Text="See: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/56669/should-hidden-features-of-x-be-removed-closed-locked" CreationDate="2012-02-27T22:42:13.163" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5688" PostId="3051" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson Too late (though I can always unlock again to add comments). None of these seem to be talking about &quot;hidden&quot; in the traditional sense though, more &quot;What are the cool tools/features you use every day that aren't in the docs&quot;" CreationDate="2012-02-27T22:42:25.113" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5690" PostId="3051" Score="4" Text="I have to disagree with that mSO post - These questions are the absolute definition of the &quot;Locked for historical reasons&quot; post notice (old, not really what we want to see in new questions, but valuable for &quot;historical reasons&quot;) -- That said if people feel strongly that they should be left open I'll happily unlock them and we can stick a notice on them instead." CreationDate="2012-02-27T22:46:38.750" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5691" PostId="3051" Score="0" Text="I don't think they fit into our understanding about the site anymore, but I can unaccept the answer and we can treat this as a vote." CreationDate="2012-02-27T22:47:12.100" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5692" PostId="3051" Score="3" Text="Lock it in a small room to die of asphyxiation in a pool of its own traumatically ejected body matter. Seriously, it's not good for ServerFault's format." CreationDate="2012-02-27T22:51:15.777" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5693" PostId="3051" Score="0" Text="@SvenW That's probably a good idea - throw up a &quot;set our questions free!&quot; answer and we'll see where it lands :)" CreationDate="2012-02-27T22:53:12.550" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5705" PostId="3051" Score="0" Text="As much as these questions might now be considered as 'not a good fit', I'd love to be able to read and contribute to questions of this nature somewhere else on SF/SE. If only we could have an 'after hours' version of the server fault site, where questions of this nature would be allowed to thrive." CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:07:40.967" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5736" PostId="3051" Score="0" Text="With 5:-2 in favor of locking this stuff, I would consider this matter settled :)" CreationDate="2012-02-29T22:33:53.480" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5695" PostId="3053" Score="0" Text="One possible reason for the downvotes is a loyalty to Microsoft that I think ServerFault has. It's possible it isn't me anyway so maybe we need to think outside of the box." CreationDate="2012-02-27T22:59:28.510" UserId="18822" />
  <row Id="5697" PostId="3053" Score="0" Text="It's because of the sand gnomes, they're not a fan of flippantry." CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:02:56.883" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="5698" PostId="3053" Score="7" Text="@EvanCarroll - are you serious? Do you not see the masses of Linux/BeOS/HP-UX/FreeBSD questions we get (Ok, so maybe not BeOS)" CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:04:38.377" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5701" PostId="3053" Score="4" Text="@EvanCarroll Umm no. That's all I have to say about that." CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:06:37.583" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5702" PostId="3053" Score="5" Text="**R** andomly **E** xclamatory **P** hrases? **R** eally **E** vil **P** orcupines? **R** ampant **E** lfin **P** anache?" CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:07:00.797" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5704" PostId="3053" Score="12" Text="Please don't just make crap up to be annoying.    I think the number of linux(12,878) questions versus the number of windows(5950) seems to completely contradict that comment.  For the record I upvoted or sa-learn question, and how down-voted this because your complaining about it is getting annoying." CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:07:39.963" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5706" PostId="3053" Score="9" Text="@EvanCarroll - also, don't concentrate on REP. You'll drive yourself nuts if you do. Just concentrate on the content of your questions and answers, and rep will follow." CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:09:07.080" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5707" PostId="3053" Score="1" Text="All intentioned reform - personal and external - starts with a compliant. Stop being so impatient. If you don't like it, no need to dwell it on it or downvote. Just move on." CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:09:36.063" UserId="18822" />
  <row Id="5710" PostId="3053" Score="1" Text="@EvanCarroll - Votes are placed not because we like or dislike a certain question or answer. They are placed because a question or answer is or isn't good or on-topic." CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:15:03.623" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5720" PostId="3053" Score="1" Text="@ErikA I thought meta votes *were* because we like/dislike?" CreationDate="2012-02-28T03:14:38.240" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="5721" PostId="3053" Score="1" Text="@Andrew - yes, that is indeed the case on meta, but not on the main site." CreationDate="2012-02-28T03:19:03.633" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5696" PostId="3054" Score="0" Text="So wait, someone is downvoting the question for something else, and you know that? Is that even permitted, can we just ban them?" CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:01:19.007" UserId="18822" />
  <row Id="5699" PostId="3054" Score="4" Text="@EvanCarroll People can vote for **anything**. If we banned people for upvoting answers that were only funny, but not useful in any way, we'd be short a lot of people. The same goes for &quot;I don't like your attitude&quot; downvotes. Policing the reasons people vote is a fundamentally hard problem, and StackExchange has chosen not to tackle it beyond outlier cases like voting-rings." CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:04:42.280" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5700" PostId="3054" Score="2" Text="@EvanCarroll - Though we hope users have good reasons for issuing down-votes, we don't require a valid reason. That said, there *are* algorithms in place that detect and act on abuse of the voting system. Those wouldn't be applicable here, though." CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:05:28.443" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5703" PostId="3054" Score="0" Text="@EvanCarroll - even if we wanted to, we can't see who voted on what. So... no." CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:07:39.200" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5708" PostId="3054" Score="6" Text="Sounds like we need to get Miniluv involved." CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:09:51.540" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5709" PostId="3054" Score="0" Text="What is miniluv?" CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:13:41.377" UserId="18822" />
  <row Id="5711" PostId="3054" Score="6" Text="@EvanCarroll Pay no attention, simply drop that reference down the nearest memory hole..." CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:19:00.420" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5713" PostId="3054" Score="0" Text="I accidentally upvoted that comment, can I get that upvote back then?" CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:26:24.717" UserId="18822" />
  <row Id="5716" PostId="3054" Score="7" Text="It went to the sand gophers, they feed off your votes" CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:31:04.587" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="5712" PostId="3055" Score="2" Text="Nice synthesis." CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:22:38.653" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5714" PostId="3055" Score="0" Text="I aim to please" CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:26:29.927" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5715" PostId="3056" Score="3" Text="If people got banned for downvoting a question, then there would be no users of the SE network; not even the creators would be allowed on their own site." CreationDate="2012-02-27T23:29:28.333" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="5718" PostId="3057" Score="0" Text="Quite right, we're not Stack Overflow." CreationDate="2012-02-28T02:54:53.673" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5722" PostId="3058" Score="1" Text="Agreed. And any truly &quot;hidden&quot; features that do exist in the answers are going to be buried in the sea of &quot;actually not hidden at all&quot; nonsense" CreationDate="2012-02-28T10:43:15.970" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5731" PostId="3059" Score="1" Text="There is a suitable place for those questions - the bit bucket." CreationDate="2012-02-29T04:23:05.803" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5732" PostId="3059" Score="0" Text="[unix.se] categorically rejects any “hidden features” question. I don't think we'd be interested in any “canonical answer” question from SF; while we are somewhat lacking in that department, we'd rather evolve our own." CreationDate="2012-02-29T11:53:51.823" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="5737" PostId="3063" Score="0" Text="Perhaps a bit blasé?" CreationDate="2012-02-29T22:53:06.560" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5741" PostId="3063" Score="6" Text="Yep, but Oracle deserves it." CreationDate="2012-03-02T00:15:21.847" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5757" PostId="3063" Score="0" Text="Can't say it really hits the mark for me, as none of the listed features are unique selling points... all of them are also found in Oracle's own &quot;grown up&quot; successor to  OpenSolaris, namely Solaris 11." CreationDate="2012-03-06T08:05:01.733" UserId="96335" />
  <row Id="5758" PostId="3063" Score="0" Text="@scottishwildcat Yes, but most of the core developers of those features left Sun before, during or after the Oracle acquisition. It could be cogently argued that, while the names are the same, the products are of a much higher quality in OpenIndiana that is the benefactor of the engineers who no longer work at Sun/Oracle. Solaris's DTrace isn't the same as OpenIndiana's DTrace." CreationDate="2012-03-06T15:22:35.120" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5769" PostId="3063" Score="0" Text="DTrace is a perfect example where the open source version is superior to Suns's, and almost certainly will be so long as Bryan M. Cantrill is running Joyent, and Oracle keeps Solaris closed." CreationDate="2012-03-06T21:45:10.353" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5770" PostId="3063" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS I don't disagree, was just saying there's nothing in the proposed ad to indicate that's the case. It's just a list of features that, on the face of it, could just as well be a Solaris 11 feature list, which in itself doesn't give me any compelling reason to click. (And of course, as long as Bryan Cantrill keeps DTrace open, presumably Oracle are quite entitled to include Joyent's version in Solaris if they so wish…)" CreationDate="2012-03-06T22:56:56.247" UserId="96335" />
  <row Id="5771" PostId="3063" Score="1" Text="@scottishwildcat Nope, the CDDL does not allow you to use the covered software if you impose new restrictions on it. Proprietary and infectious licenses like the GPL need not apply. Same reason the BSDs and OpenSolaris derivatives get along, they can freely use each others code." CreationDate="2012-03-07T00:41:31.857" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5772" PostId="3063" Score="2" Text="Your move Oracle. Your move." CreationDate="2012-03-07T03:27:50.827" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5869" PostId="3063" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid - bit of a problem with the image from where I'm sitting at least, imgur isn't displaying it at all." CreationDate="2012-03-25T12:56:36.637" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5897" PostId="3063" Score="1" Text="@RobMoir Fixed. I thought when I uploaded the image to imgur, which gave the image its own URL, I could remove it from my own hosting account. I'm so confused..." CreationDate="2012-03-28T02:28:29.283" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5900" PostId="3063" Score="0" Text="Alls well that ends well, or something" CreationDate="2012-03-28T05:19:02.257" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5740" PostId="3065" Score="1" Text="seems to be [status-bydesign]  http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/71712/should-the-precognitive-badge-be-listed-in-the-list-of-sofu-badges" CreationDate="2012-03-01T23:56:27.793" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5742" PostId="3066" Score="2" Text="They actually said at one stage that they're also keeping it as a way just to annoy badge whores :p" CreationDate="2012-03-02T00:54:17.410" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5743" PostId="3066" Score="4" Text="It seems rather appropriate that the very concept of &quot;broken by design&quot; comes from the devs." CreationDate="2012-03-02T01:38:59.583" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5752" PostId="3070" Score="0" Text="I like - ordering one myself - but this is a bit &quot;your point being...?&quot; without some text." CreationDate="2012-03-04T11:06:27.410" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5753" PostId="3070" Score="1" Text="maybe something along &quot;Computing credit card sized&quot; ?" CreationDate="2012-03-04T15:17:54.490" UserId="86280" />
  <row Id="5754" PostId="3070" Score="0" Text="Sure, that works" CreationDate="2012-03-04T15:32:45.767" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5756" PostId="3070" Score="0" Text="nice changes. Definitely works for me." CreationDate="2012-03-04T22:05:21.757" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5991" PostId="3071" Score="1" Text="It should have a tag line or something so that people would know what is this project about. Maybe *&quot;network management and monitoring&quot;* as mentioned currently on the website." CreationDate="2012-04-19T14:13:36.307" UserId="4276" />
  <row Id="5747" PostId="3074" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately, you haven't been able to close your own questions (on your own, you can still vote to close) for quite a while now, without moderator intervention." CreationDate="2012-03-03T03:22:09.540" UserId="11251" />
  <row Id="5748" PostId="3074" Score="0" Text="Hmm, darn... I don't think I've ever even tried to close my own question.  At any rate, if you really need to close your own question, you can poke-a-mod and have them do it -- it's what they're there for, after all, to keep the site clean." CreationDate="2012-03-03T03:23:37.870" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="5749" PostId="3074" Score="0" Text="I'd generally agree with what @womble said -- As long as the edit doesn't completely warp the question so that valid answers to the original are no longer valid, edit away to make your question better.  If you find that your original question isn't the real problem, ask a new one (and if you think your original question was really that awful go ahead and delete it, or flag it.  (I would go so far as to say you may want to delete your original question if you're sure it's *not* Samba's fault that your performance is suck-tastic)" CreationDate="2012-03-03T04:55:11.313" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5750" PostId="3076" Score="0" Text="Did you look at the questions? The original had no answers before the follow up was asked." CreationDate="2012-03-03T12:10:32.353" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5751" PostId="3077" Score="7" Text="I see lots of the [home-server] questions now have close votes, but a lot of those questions are trash.  Please do not migrate trash to superuser just because it has a [home-server] tag.  Please read the question first before voting to migrate!" CreationDate="2012-03-04T08:14:23.307" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5755" PostId="3077" Score="3" Text="Sometimes the most appropriate thing to do is to simply remove the tag." CreationDate="2012-03-04T20:52:55.890" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5759" PostId="3083" Score="2" Text="scdpm is a horrible name for a tag. It's not discoverable for new users, does not match with any google searches, and cryptic even for existing users. Sccm is at least a common abbreviation, but the other less-common products need something better. But maybe I should say all this in the other question :(" CreationDate="2012-03-06T16:35:52.767" UserId="2869" />
  <row Id="5762" PostId="3083" Score="0" Text="I agree with Chris that [tag:system-center] is worthless (System Center ***WHAT?***), but &quot;scdpm&quot; is also a lousy name.  Perhaps the real solution here is to create a more reasonable synonym (it's already got [tag:dpm] and [tag:dpm-2010] - what do y'all call it when you're not disparaging it?)" CreationDate="2012-03-06T16:46:10.770" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5765" PostId="3083" Score="0" Text="Would even those who use the product readily know what &quot;scdpm&quot; is or that it might be the appropriate tag to use? Looking in from the outside it seems to me to be a case of taking an abbreviation too far. Consistency in naming tags does not always produce the best and/or most desirable results." CreationDate="2012-03-06T21:23:59.063" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5760" PostId="3084" Score="0" Text="DPM is a syn of SCDPM, you can just type in DPM and get the expected result... Are you just complaining, or do you have a suggestion to improve the situation?" CreationDate="2012-03-06T16:40:16.020" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5761" PostId="3084" Score="0" Text="I'd like to see the abbreviations used as synonyms for the longer form of the name. Those who expect the abbreviation can still end up with a valid tag, but google and new users both tend to prefer the long form (ie: `Data-Protection-Manager`)." CreationDate="2012-03-06T16:42:28.327" UserId="2869" />
  <row Id="5763" PostId="3088" Score="4" Text="If you think that's annoying just imagine visiting the site every day for more than a year (my count was over 400 consecutive days at one time), only to find there isn't even a badge for that, which should probably be called something like [get-a-life]." CreationDate="2012-03-06T21:16:42.880" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5767" PostId="3088" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers [tag:creepy-stalker]" CreationDate="2012-03-06T21:29:37.980" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5764" PostId="3089" Score="0" Text="Thanks, that is exactly what I needed. Looks like it's time to set up a cron job.." CreationDate="2012-03-06T21:22:52.813" UserId="90351" />
  <row Id="5766" PostId="3089" Score="0" Text="@TimBrigham That would be cheating.&#xA;Now having a cron job remind you to visit the site (or setting it as your phone's homepage or something) is legit.  That's how I got my fanatic badge :-)" CreationDate="2012-03-06T21:29:09.527" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5768" PostId="3089" Score="0" Text="I just put a sticky note on my laptop and visited every night. After I got the badge I made it to ~380 before missing. Funny how when you're not trying it just happens...." CreationDate="2012-03-06T21:30:26.127" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5774" PostId="3090" Score="0" Text="Heh, an up vote. :)" CreationDate="2012-03-07T14:50:30.583" UserId="76309" />
  <row Id="5777" PostId="3090" Score="5" Text="With the exception of Ward everyone could do more voting." CreationDate="2012-03-07T15:12:43.190" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5780" PostId="3090" Score="2" Text="I approve of the previous comment.  :)" CreationDate="2012-03-07T18:42:43.073" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5791" PostId="3090" Score="0" Text="I commented on Rob Moir's answer, but I don't praise mediocrity. If I can help with an edit or clarifying question, I will. But sadly most questions aren't good enough for an upvote, nor bad enough for a downvote." CreationDate="2012-03-08T15:34:04.597" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="5808" PostId="3090" Score="0" Text="@Iain ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ" CreationDate="2012-03-11T16:02:10.903" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5775" PostId="3091" Score="0" Text="That's very true. Apparently the things I ask about such as Lotus Notes (thankfully not anymore after a job change recently) and EMC SAN and Disk backup systems are not very commonly used or known. Or maybe they're scary." CreationDate="2012-03-07T15:09:24.147" UserId="76309" />
  <row Id="5776" PostId="3092" Score="2" Text="`s/falling on deaf ears/preaching to the choir/`" CreationDate="2012-03-07T15:11:31.100" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5778" PostId="3092" Score="0" Text="Those two samples are interesting. I could maybe understand your response on the LAC question. Network Management is one aspect of computers I'm very new at, and as a recent hire from tech-support level to Network/System Admin, it's my admitted biggest weakness. But the USMT question has my needs, the reasons I don't prefer USMT, and while probably a little close to a shopping req, avoids that by the previously noted points. Sure it's not super high-level sysadmin stuff (it was from a previous job) but it belongs here and could be informative for people with similar situations to mine." CreationDate="2012-03-07T15:14:33.673" UserId="76309" />
  <row Id="5779" PostId="3092" Score="1" Text="The reason that I listed the USMT question is precisely because it is a shopping question, imo." CreationDate="2012-03-07T15:15:46.823" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5781" PostId="3094" Score="0" Text="And cue exhibit A." CreationDate="2012-03-07T20:36:25.517" UserId="76309" />
  <row Id="5782" PostId="3094" Score="3" Text="@music2myear, yes and this is just 10 minutes after I arrived at the office. Just imagine what I'm like at the end of the day, after having dealt with users all day." CreationDate="2012-03-07T20:43:14.850" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5783" PostId="3094" Score="0" Text="I can only imagine. I've been in IT professionally for 10 years, until recently my jobs have been primarily end-user support with increasing levels of responsibility, but still mostly the front lines, as it were. 4 months ago I was hired as Network and Systems Administrator for a manufacturing firm and I like to think I have the smallest inkling of what you've no doubt done for quite a while. I'm grateful that I really like people, otherwise my job would be much more difficult than it is." CreationDate="2012-03-07T21:10:10.933" UserId="76309" />
  <row Id="5794" PostId="3094" Score="1" Text="Downvoted answer because I absolutely *abhor* this idea that sysadmins &quot;don't even like humans in general&quot;. I realize there is a cabal here at SF which feels that way, but I do not think they represent all syadmins, and I hate that the cabal repeats this meme so often. Let's dump the BOFH image once and for all! Please?" CreationDate="2012-03-09T07:59:28.213" UserId="3437" />
  <row Id="5822" PostId="3094" Score="0" Text="@quux What we really dislike is the behaviour that some of those humans exhibit when dealing with us professionally, just as people who &quot;hate computers&quot; dislike the behaviour that computers exhibit." CreationDate="2012-03-12T21:59:56.793" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="5840" PostId="3094" Score="1" Text="&quot;many of us don't even like humans in general, which tends to be reflected in our attitudes to everything&quot; is an unprofessional attitude IMHO.  As much as we may be annoyed by the users, in most cases our work enables them to make money for the companies we work for which is what pays our wages." CreationDate="2012-03-15T12:30:41.290" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="5864" PostId="3094" Score="1" Text="@dundx, I live in the real world, not some mythical land where everyone is happy and joyful all the time and easy to get along with. Real people aren't like that and most admins recognise that we don't have to like other people in order to be able to properly and efficiently do our jobs. I'm an admin, not a KFC counter jockey." CreationDate="2012-03-24T06:50:40.610" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5788" PostId="3095" Score="1" Text="I go through phases where I try to vote more, especially on questions.  But honestly, there are many where I just don't think it's good enough to warrant the upvote, especially if I have some knowledge of the problem-space.  It may not be bad enough to warrant a down-vote, but I don't praise mediocrity.  I try to provide follow-up questions or edit if I think it can help.  I do upvote on questions that I can't help with but the question was well-constructed with what appears to be quality supporting information.  In those cases, I usually make such a comment." CreationDate="2012-03-08T15:08:29.747" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="5789" PostId="3095" Score="1" Text="Indeed, @gwaldo. We should encourage people to *consider* voting on questions (whether up or down) as needed. But I totally agree we shouldn't be voting just for the sake of voting or to &quot;make SF warmer and fuzzier&quot;." CreationDate="2012-03-08T15:10:46.297" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5786" PostId="3096" Score="2" Text="&quot;I need a product that does X, Y, and Z&quot; - How is that **not** shopping?" CreationDate="2012-03-08T05:26:07.190" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5784" PostId="3097" Score="0" Text="I don't agree that the question involves polling or specific product recommendations, or that I was asking others to search for me (after an extensive search, I could not find any open source, Windows-hosted solutions).  Clearly, though, my opinion is in the minority." CreationDate="2012-03-08T03:51:38.430" UserId="18092" />
  <row Id="5785" PostId="3097" Score="5" Text="@EricJ.: Although these are off topic for the site, asking if anyone has any recommendations  is pretty common in chat. (However, in this case I can't think of any systems that meet your requirements, so I wouldn't get your hopes up)" CreationDate="2012-03-08T04:30:20.707" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="5787" PostId="3097" Score="0" Text="@KyleBrandt: How do I get my account linked with Meta ServerFault? It's weird to see my name as anonymous here, disallowing me to change a typo in the Disclaimer. :(" CreationDate="2012-03-08T10:58:13.580" UserId="10885" />
  <row Id="5790" PostId="3097" Score="0" Text="@TomWijsman - I fixed that typo (hopefully that was the one you were thinking about." CreationDate="2012-03-08T15:28:32.250" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="5792" PostId="3097" Score="0" Text="@ErikA: Indeed. Thanks. Still makes me wonder why I'm still disassociated. But anyway, no need to edit this post anymore. Still funny that my own comment appears in my own inbox... :)" CreationDate="2012-03-08T20:07:36.647" UserId="10885" />
  <row Id="5793" PostId="3098" Score="0" Text="It's also a polling question, so ... double whammy" CreationDate="2012-03-08T22:43:23.287" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="5820" PostId="3101" Score="1" Text="[tag:sync] is shorter to type and avoids those nasty s/z problems on different sides of the Atlantic/Pacific." CreationDate="2012-03-12T21:47:55.247" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="5821" PostId="3102" Score="0" Text="`sync` is a system call / command, so I suppose a *very* slim case exists for keeping the tag for that command and untagging/retagging the rest." CreationDate="2012-03-12T21:52:39.937" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="5824" PostId="3102" Score="0" Text="@Andrew I agree, but I only found the one counter-example I noted above in all of recorded history.  There are probably good arguments to be made for saving sync as in `sync()` though when talking about performance optimization and *avoiding* said syscall..." CreationDate="2012-03-12T22:11:46.440" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5796" PostId="3104" Score="2" Text="Erm, it's not 2012.03.12 yet, not even down under..." CreationDate="2012-03-11T02:20:37.673" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5809" PostId="3104" Score="0" Text="Iain is just so good, he is just a day up on everyone else." CreationDate="2012-03-11T17:07:08.407" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="5810" PostId="3104" Score="0" Text="Meh! it was a very nice rioja." CreationDate="2012-03-11T17:23:22.130" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5797" PostId="3105" Score="0" Text="I wonder if their display rate got pushed way down?" CreationDate="2012-03-11T08:59:14.803" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5817" PostId="3105" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden I'm really not sure how to explain it, but I've seen trends where I get all back-to-back community ads, and other times I get none for hours. Might have something to do with the questions I'm looking at, or the IP I'm coming from, or maybe there's trends throughout the day... But they're definitely working right now." CreationDate="2012-03-12T20:08:21.283" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5818" PostId="3105" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Yeah - I still haven't had any sightings, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it were weighted in some way." CreationDate="2012-03-12T20:17:00.920" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5830" PostId="3105" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS I still haven't seen an ad, and the click-per-day [stats](http://meta.serverfault.com/ads/display/2468) for the newer ads have taken a severe dive (I haven't tracked the change in total clicks, but I'll check for changes from current).  Still seems to me that something's not right." CreationDate="2012-03-14T05:33:36.860" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5823" PostId="3107" Score="0" Text="True, but the same argument can be made for &quot;replication&quot;, but I feel that's a valuable semi-meta tag..." CreationDate="2012-03-12T22:10:36.660" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5825" PostId="3107" Score="0" Text="Throw 'em all into the void. If your question is about a certain replication or sync technology, tag it with that. If it's a general question about how to sync files on a certain platform, tag it with that." CreationDate="2012-03-12T22:41:03.563" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5811" PostId="3108" Score="4" Text="I bet you're trying to figure out a way to script this aren't you? =P" CreationDate="2012-03-12T03:26:17.597" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="5813" PostId="3108" Score="3" Text="If you're actually a fanatic, you'll get this badge without even noticing.  If you take a day off, you're not really a fanatic." CreationDate="2012-03-12T07:27:55.983" UserId="26130" />
  <row Id="5815" PostId="3108" Score="0" Text="Not trying to script it. Jut wanting to understand how it works. I don't use the browser on my phone often." CreationDate="2012-03-12T11:04:00.847" UserId="90351" />
  <row Id="5816" PostId="3108" Score="0" Text="If it helps, I got mine while on holiday in Morocco using my iPhone over the local free wireless.  The iPhone definitely counts." CreationDate="2012-03-12T12:52:06.237" UserId="26130" />
  <row Id="5812" PostId="3109" Score="0" Text="Generally  voting on a few questions and/or asking/answering/commenting should guarantee you credit for a &quot;visit&quot; -- basically *legitimately use the site* and you'll almost certainly get credit for the day :)" CreationDate="2012-03-12T03:34:33.107" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5814" PostId="3109" Score="0" Text="In the past it was enough to simply have the [Notifier Chrome Extension](http://stackapps.com/questions/1941/notifier-chrome-extension).  Whatever it did managed to count.  All you had to do was start your browser.  I think it has been changed though." CreationDate="2012-03-12T07:52:29.200" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="8039" PostId="3113" Score="0" Text="**Nobody** has the responsibility to explain why they voted, either up or down. That's just being ridiculous. Next you'll have us explaining why we voted how we did during political elections." CreationDate="2012-12-24T21:19:54.763" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5826" PostId="3115" Score="0" Text="The question wasn't about the security of the data, it was about the security of the server being compromised by running a backup process that opens up remote access. I asked about Jungle Disk in specific to *avoid* being a shopping question. I didn't know there was a security.stackexchange.com... They keep adding new sites that overlap with existing ones." CreationDate="2012-03-13T13:09:52.757" UserId="15623" />
  <row Id="5819" PostId="3119" Score="0" Text="I also don't recall what reason I chose when I voted to close, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't off-topic.  The original version was a jumble of at least 3 different questions, a couple of which were fairly open-ended.  As edited, it's better." CreationDate="2012-03-12T21:35:08.557" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5828" PostId="3119" Score="0" Text="Originally I didn't include a JD version and a commenter told me that if I didn't give the specific version of Jungle Disk, the question was too broad. So I added the version and now it's too localized. I think the real problem is that people didn't understand what I was asking. So would you recommend that I move the second question you've highlighted to a new question and then edit the existing one to be more specific?" CreationDate="2012-03-13T13:30:42.743" UserId="15623" />
  <row Id="5839" PostId="3119" Score="0" Text="-1 for &quot;Sometimes I get lazy, and when a question seems unfocused/unclear I will cast a close vote instead of spending time trying to figure out what the person was asking.&quot;  If you are feeling too lazy to try and understand why not just move on?  Down voting encourages people to improve their question, voting to close sends people elsewhere." CreationDate="2012-03-15T12:22:56.383" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="5827" PostId="3120" Score="0" Text="I understand that the site rules may not require you to leave a reason, however, if you choose not to, it is unreasonable to expect me to do any better next time. There is a long-term vs short-term trade off here. You can close questions all day with no explanation, and &quot;bad&quot; questions will keep popping up. This makes more work for the moderators and will continue to frustrate users. Or you could educate users on what specifically is wrong so that user (and others who read your public explanation) can improve their questions." CreationDate="2012-03-13T13:17:48.867" UserId="15623" />
  <row Id="5829" PostId="3120" Score="0" Text="@Nick: Yes, I agree that this is the reasonable thing to do in many cases, and I do this where it makes sense (many questions are just plain bad and not worth any effort, as the one asking them didn't put any effort in them as well). My objection is specifically about the term &quot;responsibility&quot;, and I firmly believe that this responsibility doesn't exist. Everyone answering questions on SE is doing this in his or her spare time and it's everyones free decision how much effort they put into this. No one is morally (or in any kind of legal way) obliged to do anything he doesn't want to do here." CreationDate="2012-03-13T13:32:08.987" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8025" PostId="3120" Score="0" Text="I disagree. I find the sysops are over the top aggressive closing topics, marking as dupes. The community is allowed no latitude to act as a community." CreationDate="2012-12-23T19:03:59.407" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="8030" PostId="3120" Score="0" Text="@samsmith: Most of the decisions regarding the closing/dupe marking is done by regular users, not moderators (it takes 5 votes to close a question), but even if it would be the mods doing the closing: We as a community *elected* them to do this, and I have the impression that most of the regular users pretty much agree with the mod team most of the time - I certainly do." CreationDate="2012-12-23T21:38:02.540" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8031" PostId="3120" Score="0" Text="@samsmith: Also, we as a community have every opportunity to overrule the mods decisions with simply voting to reopen a question. This seldom happens, as, like I said, most regular users appears to agree with most decisions, be it 5-vote-community or moderator ones." CreationDate="2012-12-23T21:40:12.633" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8033" PostId="3120" Score="0" Text="@Svenw : My point is that whoever is closing topics as &quot;not constructive&quot; &quot;off topic&quot; etc. is being too aggressive. Whether that is a &quot;moderator&quot; or a &quot;high point user&quot; it is just so easy for even experienced users (like me) to get stuff shut down. It feels hostile." CreationDate="2012-12-23T23:48:07.323" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="8035" PostId="3120" Score="0" Text="@SamSmith: You are naive; you may consider yourself an experienced user but your recent answers and comments show a considerable lack of understanding as to how SE works." CreationDate="2012-12-24T00:28:56.633" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5845" PostId="3121" Score="0" Text="They're going up; not quite as fast as their previous trajectories, but close.  I guess the SE ad engine just doesn't want to show them to me anymore!" CreationDate="2012-03-16T01:48:53.597" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5974" PostId="3121" Score="0" Text="The ads are now back from the dead - someone at SE flipped a switch and I'm now seeing them again (as well as the ones for hot questions on other sites, which I hadn't noticed were gone all this time too)." CreationDate="2012-04-07T17:14:39.517" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5975" PostId="3121" Score="0" Text="Interesting; I've noticed that now and then I get no ads, but didn't think much of it.. But now that you mention it..." CreationDate="2012-04-07T22:27:56.443" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5860" PostId="3125" Score="1" Text="Please leave it locked. Frankly, it's not worth the effort you put into this discussion." CreationDate="2012-03-22T12:51:47.223" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5870" PostId="3125" Score="1" Text="Please refrain from using upvotes as an indication of a question's *quality*. In most cases there's precious little relationship." CreationDate="2012-03-25T22:40:43.230" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5871" PostId="3125" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers, yes, I realise using vote counts also defeats my own argument against the other highly upvoted answer that was incorrect. I think we've reached a reasonable compromise anyway..." CreationDate="2012-03-25T23:53:48.193" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="5846" PostId="3126" Score="0" Text="You forgot to make the lock permanent." CreationDate="2012-03-17T23:33:25.303" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5847" PostId="3126" Score="0" Text="Whoops ​​​​​​​​​" CreationDate="2012-03-18T01:33:12.610" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5867" PostId="3128" Score="0" Text="See also: [How do comment @replies work?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/43019/how-do-comment-replies-work)." CreationDate="2012-03-25T01:18:00.680" UserId="101854" />
  <row Id="5848" PostId="3129" Score="0" Text="Should the autocompletion work when I reply to an user answer and I refer to the user, who posted the answer? i.e. here: http://superuser.com/questions/401933/can-a-digital-photo-store-both-dpi-and-ppi-values" CreationDate="2012-03-18T11:10:44.770" UserId="104139" />
  <row Id="5849" PostId="3129" Score="1" Text="Comments to answers are automatically notified to the person who wrote the answer to @'s are not needed." CreationDate="2012-03-18T11:20:13.137" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5850" PostId="3129" Score="0" Text="Thank you lain, you're right. Why would I use the @ syntax if I can just write the user's username by hand. I've overthought that... or maybe not. What do you think about if the syntax would work in this case also? My thoughts: typing the username through @ is faster than doing it manually and the auto completion ensures that I won't make a typo in the username. Also, I think it's more pleasant for the receiver if he/she sees his/her username in the answer / comment." CreationDate="2012-03-18T11:35:50.977" UserId="104139" />
  <row Id="5851" PostId="3130" Score="0" Text="What was the title of the question you asked yesterday? Or can you find it [here](http://serverfault.com/questions?sort=newest)?" CreationDate="2012-03-19T02:51:08.600" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5852" PostId="3131" Score="1" Text="I couldn't find anything else network-wide matching &quot;sansom&quot;.  Up to Greg to give us a little more info :)" CreationDate="2012-03-19T02:51:52.983" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5853" PostId="3131" Score="2" Text="@Mark, thanks for looking into this.  I'm feeling very silly now as it was option 2." CreationDate="2012-03-19T02:53:03.137" UserId="81067" />
  <row Id="5854" PostId="3131" Score="2" Text="@GregSansom - no worries, happens to the best of us" CreationDate="2012-03-19T03:25:35.060" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5887" PostId="3131" Score="1" Text="Pity. I would have loved to actually see option 3." CreationDate="2012-03-27T10:11:56.593" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5857" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="I wonder if we could find a list of the tags that have highlighting turned on so we can review it..." CreationDate="2012-03-21T12:50:56.437" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5858" PostId="3133" Score="1" Text="@ChrisS: the list is [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/2718/9517). I've split it into two groups enabled by default and disabled by default." CreationDate="2012-03-21T14:06:38.013" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5859" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="*Ahem*: http://meta.serverfault.com/q/2898" CreationDate="2012-03-22T01:47:12.987" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5865" PostId="3135" Score="3" Text="I'd suggest that Gravatar likely isn't the issue here (although, other 3rd party items may well be a factor). Gravatar has supported SSL [since 2008](http://blog.gravatar.com/2008/03/14/big-changes-afoot/). Just use `https://secure.gravatar.com` instead of `http://www.gravatar.com`. For example: [your gravatar](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/1fb33c0507faeb381309536779716850?s=32&amp;d=identicon&amp;r=PG) over SSL." CreationDate="2012-03-25T00:31:18.850" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="5866" PostId="3135" Score="0" Text="@cyberx86 Good to know about Gravitar. Looking at what these pages load, it seems they're pulling in some .js files from Places Not Here for a few reasons." CreationDate="2012-03-25T00:34:28.457" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5868" PostId="3135" Score="0" Text="You got me curious. As far as I can tell, all the sources appear to support SSL (with a green icon) 1) `cdn.sstatic.com` - SE's CDN (I was a bit surprised) - (`https://cdn.sstatic.com`) 2) `www.gravatar.com` - Gravatar - (`https://secure.gravatar.com`) 3) `ajax.googleapis.com` - JS library CDN - (`https://ajax.googleapis.com`) 4) `www.google-analytics.com` - Google Analytics - (`https://ssl.google-analytics.com/`) 5) `http://edge.quantserve.com` - QuantCast Metrics - (`https://secure.quantserve.com`) 6) `http://pixel.quantserve.com` - QuantCast Metrics - (`https://pixel.quantserve.com`)." CreationDate="2012-03-25T01:41:04.147" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="5876" PostId="3135" Score="0" Text="Check out Zypher's comment (http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1792/why-cant-i-use-https-to-access-the-stackexchange-sites#comment5862_1792). They are working on it, and gravatar has nothing to do with it." CreationDate="2012-03-26T16:40:22.670" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="5863" PostId="3136" Score="4" Text="..and the day that someone steals a moderator's session on one of the currently 84(?) StackExchange sites, causes enormous damage (Perma-ban everyone?  Migrate every question in history to other SE sites at random?  Merge every user account into each other, down to a user singularity?  Ditto for tags?), and costs a large chunk of employee time to clean up.. well, these reasons not to do it will start to look pretty insignificant." CreationDate="2012-03-24T05:49:52.557" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="5872" PostId="3138" Score="1" Text="As a temp fix, I mangled the [relevant answer](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/3063/3) creating this in the community ad question." CreationDate="2012-03-26T10:56:05.297" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5873" PostId="3144" Score="5" Text="I guess the reason for this restriction is that user names are not exclusive here, anyone can name themselves &quot;Chris S&quot;, &quot;trismarck&quot; or &quot;SvenW&quot;." CreationDate="2012-03-26T13:00:56.970" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5874" PostId="3144" Score="1" Text="@SvenW Perhaps one day we will all change our gravatars to Eminem photos and change our usernames to &quot;Slim Shady&quot;…" CreationDate="2012-03-26T15:12:56.523" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5880" PostId="3144" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 - that sounds like an upcoming meme..." CreationDate="2012-03-26T19:29:27.107" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5883" PostId="3144" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 I want say &quot;thanks&quot; for the earworm. *&quot;So won't the real Slim Shady please stand up, please stand up, please stand up?&quot;* -- &lt;madness verb=&quot;ensues&quot; /&gt;;" CreationDate="2012-03-26T23:13:31.580" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="5877" PostId="3145" Score="0" Text="You *could* test if the md5 of the data returned is `eebc93350a68a64022b7482f460017ba` (known to be the &quot;image not found&quot; image) once day or so, and auto 'exclude' bad ads. That would be quite a bit of work for something that's rarely a problem, easily spotted, and easily dealt with manually." CreationDate="2012-03-26T18:13:16.290" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5878" PostId="3145" Score="0" Text="We're going to require that images are hosted on our i.stack.imgur subdomain, so hopefully they won't randomly disappear." CreationDate="2012-03-26T18:18:25.930" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="5879" PostId="3145" Score="0" Text="I strongly suspect this one was the result of DMCA or similar; not the owner deleting it." CreationDate="2012-03-26T18:19:54.410" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5881" PostId="3147" Score="0" Text="Already checked there, just before I posted :P Thanks though" CreationDate="2012-03-26T22:06:55.520" UserId="23513" />
  <row Id="5882" PostId="3147" Score="0" Text="Our FAQ is much better than it used to be, but there's probably still a lot of room for clarification and improvement.  Being that I'm the one who whapped that hornet's nest with a cricket bat last time I'm waiting a while before raising new concerns about it :-)" CreationDate="2012-03-26T22:08:16.453" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5892" PostId="3147" Score="1" Text="The FAQ rewrite was such a slow and laborious a process that there should be no rush to go through it again, even if we disregard the unwarranted and unjustified interference by SE staff that made the experience even more painful." CreationDate="2012-03-27T12:21:30.740" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5893" PostId="3147" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers We also have other things that need attention (tag cleanups for one) that are more important :)." CreationDate="2012-03-27T15:01:42.727" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5885" PostId="3149" Score="0" Text="Which one do you think should be kept? It's 50/50 on volume :p" CreationDate="2012-03-27T08:13:08.353" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5886" PostId="3149" Score="0" Text="mumble I think is the broadest one :p" CreationDate="2012-03-27T08:14:43.107" UserId="86280" />
  <row Id="5888" PostId="3149" Score="1" Text="@Lucas: Since I can't mail you: Please enhance your recent tag-wiki spree with the necessary attributions to Wikipedia where applicable. They have a CC-Attribution license which requires this." CreationDate="2012-03-27T10:15:44.660" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="5889" PostId="3149" Score="0" Text="woops will do :)" CreationDate="2012-03-27T10:18:11.640" UserId="86280" />
  <row Id="5895" PostId="3150" Score="0" Text="Understandable; I was hoping for guidelines for determining which site should have which" CreationDate="2012-03-27T18:34:19.327" UserId="23513" />
  <row Id="5899" PostId="3150" Score="1" Text="@Luke, it depends entirely on what the question is. e.g. &quot;What colour should I paint my server?&quot; belongs nowhere, despite being about a server." CreationDate="2012-03-28T03:51:01.243" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5901" PostId="3150" Score="0" Text="I think that John did provide guidelines. If the fact that the OS is a server distro is entirely incidental to the question, or if you are trying to make a server do non-server things then its unlikely to be on topic here. Keep in mind that &quot;guidelines&quot; aren't the same as an exhaustive list of sample questions and where they belong." CreationDate="2012-03-28T09:25:15.900" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5890" PostId="3151" Score="0" Text="Entirely useless, and also [too-localized]" CreationDate="2012-03-27T11:02:51.413" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="5891" PostId="3151" Score="3" Text="Useless yes but too localised? These codes are used globally by any even half-decent web server. How much more non-localised can you get?" CreationDate="2012-03-27T12:17:59.777" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5894" PostId="3151" Score="1" Text="Would [tag:http-303] be more useful as a tag than just [tag:303]?" CreationDate="2012-03-27T16:06:10.153" UserId="26130" />
  <row Id="5896" PostId="3151" Score="2" Text="@Ladadadada There also exists [http-status-code-404](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/http-status-code-404), [http-status-code-403](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/http-status-code-403) and [http-status-code](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/http-status-code). Thoughts?" CreationDate="2012-03-28T00:16:06.727" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="5898" PostId="3151" Score="0" Text="If these were the only tag on a question, it would be ruled off-topic or useless; burnination time." CreationDate="2012-03-28T03:05:41.610" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="5907" PostId="3151" Score="1" Text="I would argue that a status/response code of whatever kind is a bad candidate as a crouping criterion, thus making it a bad tag. so http-status-code-whatever would also need retagging IMO." CreationDate="2012-03-28T18:48:59.153" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="6042" PostId="3151" Score="0" Text="The tags for 404 and http-status-code-404 need to be cleaned up. I would go with 404. Right now, there are questions with one or both those tags. I'll manually clean, just tell me your preference. 403 should remain, as it is important (403 is Forbidden) in my opinion." CreationDate="2012-04-27T19:58:35.900" UserId="90150" />
  <row Id="5914" PostId="3153" Score="8" Text="I reckon they must have two accounts. Their high rep account for answering questions and a low rep account for asking questions :)" CreationDate="2012-03-29T07:14:37.550" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5916" PostId="3153" Score="2" Text="Evan's one and only question (here on meta): http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2980/canonical-help-me-size-my-wholly-unspecified-application-question" CreationDate="2012-03-29T20:50:23.747" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="5919" PostId="3153" Score="1" Text="You may also notice that the questions asked by high rep members tend to be of a more specialised nature, which often results in fewer answers, simply because fewer of us can answer those questions." CreationDate="2012-03-30T07:27:57.443" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5921" PostId="3153" Score="5" Text="BTW, whether we're talking about system admins, programmers, mechanics, doctors or just about any field, you should be able to see the same basic principles: Those who answer the most questions are generally those who need to ask the fewest." CreationDate="2012-03-30T07:37:12.877" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6154" PostId="3153" Score="6" Text="I reckon they just spend all their time on SF rather than actually doing any work, so they don't have any problems of their own ;-)" CreationDate="2012-05-16T14:19:49.803" UserId="629" />
  <row Id="12255" PostId="3153" Score="0" Text="People use two accounts a lot. So their &quot;Answering&quot; account looks smart, and their &quot;Question&quot; account looks normal. Nobody has all the answers, and if they claim to, well, it shows what kind of individual they are imho. I'm positive even John Skeet asks a question or two of his colleges. To be honest, I wouldn't trust someone who claims they know it all. Knowing what you don't know is more important than what you do." CreationDate="2014-01-24T23:19:46.990" UserId="164245" />
  <row Id="5917" PostId="3154" Score="0" Text="I have got several answers for my question and all are valid I think. I have also noticed SO and same scenario(more answers few questions) for highly reputed users present there. Are these answers also valid for SO??????" CreationDate="2012-03-30T03:53:14.093" UserId="108979" />
  <row Id="5918" PostId="3154" Score="0" Text="Yes, very much so, and will be for any narrowly-focused forum, it's just in the nature of learning and age." CreationDate="2012-03-30T06:19:41.780" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="6028" PostId="3154" Score="6" Text="Forgot me as well, 1079 / 340. I basically ask if I don't see a good first answer on the first page of Google because then it will help someone else in the future. Also, even if I know *a* answer it doesn't mean others don't have a better answer." CreationDate="2012-04-24T16:32:52.647" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="6098" PostId="3154" Score="1" Text="+1 - I agree w/ everything Chopper3 says here. Years of systematic self-abuse by working in IT has conditioned me to be able to find the answers I need when I need them." CreationDate="2012-05-09T02:03:02.553" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="6264" PostId="3154" Score="0" Text="&lt;whispering&gt;Some people can just figure things out. And some of those people have time to answer everyone else's questions." CreationDate="2012-06-01T00:16:56.393" UserId="13568" />
  <row Id="5902" PostId="3155" Score="1" Text="Ah yes the old Unicorn voodoo, only known by those in the secret order of System Illuminati." CreationDate="2012-03-28T10:47:00.120" UserId="86280" />
  <row Id="5903" PostId="3155" Score="17" Text="My 'virtual question' count is a lot higher than my *actual* question count for this very reason. I get about 2/3rds the way through writing up a *good* SF question when I find the answer on my own. Some times, the act of writing a *good* question is all you need to get the right insight into your problem to solve it." CreationDate="2012-03-28T11:50:33.363" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5904" PostId="3155" Score="2" Text="If the process of writing a Question &quot;often&quot; forced people to think critically about the components of their problem, SF would have about 17 questions. =]" CreationDate="2012-03-28T13:46:48.400" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5909" PostId="3155" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS - well, thats assuming that people a) are capable of critical thinking, and b) possess the knowledge to solve the question in the first place" CreationDate="2012-03-28T19:23:32.307" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5920" PostId="3155" Score="0" Text="I have to agree Mark. Many at time I've had a half typed question when some other idea or approach revealed itself to my. I suspect this happens more often to those of us working on our own, as we have no colleagues to use as sounding boards." CreationDate="2012-03-30T07:31:57.143" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6041" PostId="3155" Score="0" Text="Agreed wholeheartedly.  144 answers--of which approximately half are marked Best--3.3k rep, and exactly one question to my name.  Asking my question in no way revealed the answer to me, which is why I asked it.  Generally, compiling enough information to post a good question results in spotting the issue long before I get to the point of actually posting.  That said, it's better to ask a malformed question than to pointlessly go down a rabbit hole, so I disagree with those who want a higher SNR; there's no such thing as a bad question (though there is a question not deserving of an answer)." CreationDate="2012-04-27T19:47:25.993" UserId="46760" />
  <row Id="6088" PostId="3155" Score="1" Text="This comment could be applied to almost all of the answerers here, but you stated it most explicitly: &quot;During this process, the problem and its solution reveal themselves … making the question pointless to post.&quot;  Well, it may be pointless for you, but it might help someone else.  Post it anyway, and then answer it yourself." CreationDate="2012-05-08T01:14:28.270" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="5913" PostId="3156" Score="1" Text="Honestly having faced so many problems in previous jobs, and having been afforded the luxury of completely rebuilding the environment at my current job to my personal specifications and standards, I'm happy to say I don't face many problems. (Ideally this would leave lots of time to do research - like reading Server Fault - and preemptively implement measures to prevent problems in the future, but in reality *other work* appears and demands my attention :-/)" CreationDate="2012-03-29T03:53:48.973" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5905" PostId="3157" Score="3" Text="This. A thousand times This." CreationDate="2012-03-28T13:55:07.120" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="6034" PostId="3157" Score="0" Text="Although I've asked hundreds of questions, the 'Questions with a similar titles' has saved me hundreds more. Sometimes google just needs a little help..." CreationDate="2012-04-25T18:21:40.643" UserId="32759" />
  <row Id="6099" PostId="3157" Score="3" Text="+100 for the scientific method. It's the only way to troubleshoot." CreationDate="2012-05-09T02:03:30.867" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="5973" PostId="3159" Score="1" Text="I found that people are pretty good in hiding what they actually do (at UL and SF). But then you can ask anyway - you do not have to provide the secret details. This sometimes leads to extremes, where you have to ask why a certain question is being asked at all." CreationDate="2012-04-05T20:24:32.763" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="6100" PostId="3159" Score="0" Text="+1 here, too. Applying my skills to others' problems on SF has helped me have answers for problems _before_ they were problems for me." CreationDate="2012-05-09T02:04:25.997" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="5906" PostId="3160" Score="3" Text="I have a small stuffed computer that makes sounds when you throw it, one is the sound of glass breaking and the other &quot;Bye bye files!&quot; in a creepy voice. Works great for talking to." CreationDate="2012-03-28T13:55:43.117" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5912" PostId="3160" Score="4" Text="@ChrisS Where can I acquire such a device? I *NEED* this!" CreationDate="2012-03-29T03:51:46.607" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5910" PostId="3162" Score="8" Text="You decide.  It is completely up to you.  Which did you find more useful?  Which person do you want to reward the 15 rep too?" CreationDate="2012-03-28T19:52:23.567" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5922" PostId="3162" Score="1" Text="Keep in mind that the accepted answer may get more visibility, especially from people who do not visit the site often. So choosing a detailed answer rather than the first correct one is not a bad thing." CreationDate="2012-03-30T19:05:44.560" UserId="87408" />
  <row Id="5911" PostId="3164" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I guess that's the proper way to look at it.  I ended up choosing the first answer (you know the question I'm referring to), but was surprised that I was torn about choosing an answer.  I ended up giving the second answer an upvote so their effort wasn't in vain." CreationDate="2012-03-28T20:12:03.363" UserId="26294" />
  <row Id="5915" PostId="3167" Score="0" Text="That's what I've been doing, just wanted to make sure it was the right thing ^^" CreationDate="2012-03-29T08:41:30.500" UserId="86280" />
  <row Id="5923" PostId="3170" Score="0" Text="For the future, Server Fault is for asking questions about systems you manage (per the [FAQ](http://www.serverfault.com/faq)) -- questions about Server Fault itself belong on http://meta.serverfault.com - I've moved this one for you :-)" CreationDate="2012-03-30T20:43:22.837" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5924" PostId="3171" Score="0" Text="Why an unanswered question? Even a decent answer to an already answered question can earn rep." CreationDate="2012-03-31T03:40:35.947" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5925" PostId="3175" Score="0" Text="Why the -? Anyone?" CreationDate="2012-03-31T20:15:07.213" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5926" PostId="3176" Score="5" Text="Welcome to April Fools, StackExchange style. That's my guess, anyway." CreationDate="2012-03-31T23:10:18.197" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5927" PostId="3176" Score="0" Text="Ah, did not realize it was past midnight already." CreationDate="2012-03-31T23:14:49.550" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5928" PostId="3176" Score="0" Text="It isn't yet, but I'm betting they did the push early just because." CreationDate="2012-03-31T23:33:25.377" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5929" PostId="3176" Score="3" Text="or perhaps there are different timezones in the world :)" CreationDate="2012-03-31T23:51:58.520" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="5930" PostId="3176" Score="0" Text="No, this is a completely legitimate new feature. Obviously." CreationDate="2012-04-01T00:16:11.030" UserId="90257" />
  <row Id="5931" PostId="3176" Score="0" Text="[More details.](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/127701/how-can-i-get-the-april-fools-joke-to-appear)" CreationDate="2012-04-01T04:36:06.263" UserId="30745" />
  <row Id="5946" PostId="3176" Score="0" Text="Thanks guys. I was really scared and had some bad nightmares of this critter." CreationDate="2012-04-03T11:14:04.250" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5932" PostId="3177" Score="0" Text="Zend-framework had the most tag hits I think." CreationDate="2012-04-01T06:29:16.933" UserId="86280" />
  <row Id="5935" PostId="3177" Score="1" Text="Zend Framework is what a programmer uses. Zend Server is what an admin works with, which is why I said what I said about `zend-framework`." CreationDate="2012-04-01T22:23:32.547" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5942" PostId="3177" Score="1" Text="I haven't scanned the questions, but there is some server setup related to [tag:zend-framework] if you use the lucene search engine and some other functions.  We have many [tag:ruby-on-rails] questions here too which is also a framework, and in some cases requires sysadmin effort for setup/deployment.  So [tag:zend-framework] might be ok, in the narrow case were you are talking about the server setup related to using the framework." CreationDate="2012-04-02T22:56:32.150" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5933" PostId="3178" Score="7" Text="This has nothing to with UTC; it's the user's time zone that counts. Also, this is a very boring answer ;)" CreationDate="2012-04-01T06:44:16.413" UserId="14041" />
  <row Id="5934" PostId="3178" Score="4" Text="@balpha Thanks for the consistency; really makes it easy for users and moderators to figure out what's going on... I'm a SysAdmin, we're boring, predictable, steady, and reliable; if not slightly curmudgeonly and tamped." CreationDate="2012-04-01T14:46:48.027" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5936" PostId="3179" Score="0" Text="Hmm. I see 82 questions on the tag page..." CreationDate="2012-04-01T23:51:01.547" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="5937" PostId="3179" Score="0" Text="Odd, I can't get it to do that for me." CreationDate="2012-04-02T02:14:21.863" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="5938" PostId="3180" Score="0" Text="Okay, that makes sense, but it's complicated by the fact that there are multiple pages with a `Featured` tab (i.e. [homepage](http://serverfault.com/), and [questions](http://serverfault.com/questions) page). It's the tabs on the questions page that is relevant, not the homepage. I normally view the homepage when looking at questions, and had the `active` tab selected, hence my confusion." CreationDate="2012-04-02T07:38:05.520" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="5939" PostId="3181" Score="1" Text="Just to confirm, you want the `john` account merged with the `serverbloke` account ?" CreationDate="2012-04-02T09:53:09.717" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5940" PostId="3181" Score="0" Text="@lain yes, I want ditch `john` and keep `serverbloke`, but I want to transfer `john`'s questions and rep to `serverbloke`. Thanks." CreationDate="2012-04-02T10:19:31.733" UserId="116123" />
  <row Id="5941" PostId="3182" Score="0" Text="Thanks lain that's just what I needed." CreationDate="2012-04-02T10:55:07.587" UserId="116123" />
  <row Id="5943" PostId="3183" Score="0" Text="Are you @vortaq's sockpuppet?" CreationDate="2012-04-02T23:26:07.830" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="5944" PostId="3183" Score="0" Text="Nope - but do you mean @voretaq7?" CreationDate="2012-04-03T00:32:44.607" UserId="1172" />
  <row Id="5945" PostId="3183" Score="0" Text="@ScottPack Also, mispelled keming." CreationDate="2012-04-03T00:37:29.330" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="5953" PostId="3183" Score="0" Text="I find both variants (IE's as well as FFs) rather displeasing to look at. It is not like Firefox is doing specifically badly there. BTW: in Opera it looks much more readable, but yet shitty." CreationDate="2012-04-03T15:40:22.403" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5954" PostId="3183" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj The kerning in Firefox is *extraordinarily* bad - It is readable, but far from ideal.  At least IE has managed to make each letter separate and distinct..." CreationDate="2012-04-03T16:19:38.273" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5951" PostId="3185" Score="0" Text="(1) is why the blog keeps usurping the chat link's place in the header.." CreationDate="2012-04-03T15:07:30.433" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5963" PostId="3185" Score="0" Text="@vortaq7, I only ever see chat in the header, although I admit I generally only look up there to click on meta." CreationDate="2012-04-03T22:42:13.350" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5952" PostId="3186" Score="0" Text="Survey Gopher is probably busy beating up a groundhog what owes him some money... (alternative answer: &quot;Dude they hired a *gopher* - you get what you pay for!&quot;)" CreationDate="2012-04-03T15:09:32.100" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5948" PostId="3187" Score="0" Text="Every site has it's own independent database; something like this would be incredibly hard to implement give the current DB schema. Questions about network wide changes should be posted to [metaSO], but they'll eat you alive if we migrate this as it's been proposed there before and they *aren't nice* to people who haven't read every post in existence there." CreationDate="2012-04-03T14:31:33.453" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5950" PostId="3187" Score="0" Text="[I proposed something like this over there a while ago](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/112950/cross-posting-and-migrating-arent-always-adequate-i-propose-a-new-tool-breadc).  The end goal in my mind was to make it look like a question had been migrated through two or more relevant sites before settling in the final one.  The idea didn't gain much traction." CreationDate="2012-04-03T15:03:37.003" UserId="26130" />
  <row Id="5956" PostId="3187" Score="1" Text="Don't cross post, either a question is on topic for a site and it gets answers or it's off topic and it gets closed or migrated to a suitable site." CreationDate="2012-04-03T17:11:55.677" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5965" PostId="3187" Score="0" Text="Your case study is an oddity because although you're asking for a programmatic solution, SO isn't interested because they don't recognise shell scripting as programming (despite supporting numerous other scripting languages, such as PHP, HTMl, CSS, Perl, etc.). It's for that reason alone that I haven't cast a close vote on it." CreationDate="2012-04-03T22:51:43.570" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5968" PostId="3187" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Yes, that's why I'm tempted to give it a try and copy it to StackOverflow. Currently I feel like it will be totally random whether its going to be answered, lie dormant, be migrated, or closed. I put it on serverfault because I was hoping the more experienced sysadmins have had similar cases/request. Maybe I should ask to even migrate my own question to StackOverflow - but flagging it as &quot;offtopic&quot; and risking it to be closed seems....too risky." CreationDate="2012-04-04T10:54:05.257" UserId="98062" />
  <row Id="5969" PostId="3187" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers: Btw, I would not call this &quot;asking for a programmatic solution&quot;: This is an actual system setup case I have here with a team. IF every line in a .profile or .login means it's a programmatic solution we can close a lot of questions as being off-topic here. Imho, lots of questions are closed much too early. The mechanism with 5 votes required is flawed as the user base grows." CreationDate="2012-04-04T10:57:10.230" UserId="98062" />
  <row Id="5947" PostId="3188" Score="0" Text="Hopefully the work would be a one-time effort, while without *any* improvement on this, the ongoing effort for people to get good answers (and to find good questions) is accumulating...I'm not necessarily an advocate of crossposting itself, but something needs to be done, imho." CreationDate="2012-04-03T14:14:01.933" UserId="98062" />
  <row Id="5949" PostId="3188" Score="1" Text="It can be &quot;done&quot; manually by simply referencing the question á la *&quot;I've asked the same question over at SuperUser and have got some interesting suggestions, but bit XYZ is still missing&quot;*. Just blending in a foreign site's answers would create more confusion than it would solve." CreationDate="2012-04-03T14:38:37.783" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5955" PostId="3188" Score="0" Text="Cross posting shouldn't be encouraged. Either a question on on topic for a site and it get answers or it's off topic and gets closed or migrated to a suitable site." CreationDate="2012-04-03T17:10:21.060" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="5962" PostId="3188" Score="0" Text="@Iain cross-posting with references might be useful if there is a benefit in having a question discussed with the different backgrounds of the respective communities. Not that it would happen all that often." CreationDate="2012-04-03T22:05:48.710" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="5967" PostId="3189" Score="0" Text="Imho, the first sentence is a gross oversimplification of real life, but the second has merits and might be good reasoning why what I proposed is not feasible to implement. Although I would assume that a db driven site can catch these cases. This depends on how the DB's are organized, and Chris S already hinted in his comments that what I proposed is hard to do given the current schemas." CreationDate="2012-04-04T10:50:50.003" UserId="98062" />
  <row Id="5961" PostId="3190" Score="1" Text="Thanks! Now I've typed the word 'survey' so frequently that it has lost all meaning and cannot possibly be spelled correctly." CreationDate="2012-04-03T20:01:16.237" UserId="25176" />
  <row Id="5957" PostId="3192" Score="5" Text="See also [Everything you never wanted to know about the bounty system and couldn't find because the mSO search system sucks](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/16065/how-does-the-bounty-system-work)" CreationDate="2012-04-03T17:55:31.957" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5958" PostId="3192" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Wow, I typed almost that exact title into mSO search and it still didn't come up..." CreationDate="2012-04-03T17:58:30.517" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5959" PostId="3192" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I have no problems giving up the points. This is a question that alludes an answer." CreationDate="2012-04-03T17:59:21.063" UserId="113872" />
  <row Id="5960" PostId="3192" Score="0" Text="yeah, google::`Stack Exchange bounty` found it for me.  I really have given up on the site search. Google does it better." CreationDate="2012-04-03T17:59:51.733" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5966" PostId="3192" Score="3" Text="Despite Jeff's claims to the contrary the site search has always sucked big time. They may as well remove it and just whack a Google search box in its place." CreationDate="2012-04-03T22:56:04.097" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5970" PostId="3192" Score="0" Text="I am quite sure the site search problem is the dreadful &quot;Microsoft disease&quot;. The microsoft.com site has it as well (and had it for what feels like decades now). It surely is contagious and apparently transferred by unsuspecting employees who are leaving Microsoft and starting different jobs (or start-ups). The employees themselves develop no symptomps, but the company's site search function is screwed forever." CreationDate="2012-04-04T18:02:28.600" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="6004" PostId="3192" Score="0" Text="@john or you could just read http://serverfault.com/faq#bounty which is linked from, y'know, the faq, which is linked approximately one bazillion different places. We can lead horses to water.." CreationDate="2012-04-23T04:50:05.990" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="6005" PostId="3192" Score="2" Text="@Jeff, either you're replying to the wrong person or the wrong question. My comment above refers to the site search, not bounty. As for the question, I didn't ask it." CreationDate="2012-04-23T05:43:15.973" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6011" PostId="3192" Score="0" Text="@john my point is that *search is irrelevant* all one needs to do to understand bounties is **read the site FAQ!** http://serverfault.com/faq#bounty Therefore, your comment is also irrelevant. Search is the wrong approach here; reading the FAQ is the correct one. The FAQ *directly* answers the question and is linked from thousands of places on the site.." CreationDate="2012-04-23T17:52:39.640" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="6012" PostId="3192" Score="0" Text="@vore you need to read the above, too" CreationDate="2012-04-23T17:54:03.147" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="6014" PostId="3192" Score="3" Text="@JeffAtwood The FAQ has a good reference on how to create bounties, and as you point out the answer to octo's question is in there (though maybe not as obvious as it should be when you look at the FAQ index - how does a newbie know bounties are &quot;what you do if you don't get a good answer&quot;?). That mSO answer has lots of *extra* information beyond what's in the FAQ, and my comment on search is along the lines of &quot;There's more to know here, but our (meta) site search tools have a hard time turning up this additional information. Here's a link courtesy of Google.&quot;" CreationDate="2012-04-23T19:07:50.400" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6022" PostId="3192" Score="0" Text="@vore point taken on the section title. It wasn't the newbies I was really referring to, but those who hold diamonds. The mods most of *anyone* should know the faq cold, and if they don't.. everyone is screwed." CreationDate="2012-04-23T23:36:58.633" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="10187" PostId="3192" Score="0" Text="Bounties, in my experience, are what you do when you don't get a good answer AND wish to throw away some of your earned points.  I don't care much about points, but can't understand why getting no answers warrants losing the bounty into the ether." CreationDate="2013-05-06T20:55:24.237" UserDisplayName="user160910" />
  <row Id="5964" PostId="3193" Score="1" Text="I find it odd that I don't see the same issue with other sites, using the same browser and OS." CreationDate="2012-04-03T22:45:04.140" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5971" PostId="3196" Score="2" Text="I think the lost rep was last month (been on leave for 3 weeks and lost track of time completely). As for the bounty, I've often wondered why so many people are so stingy about it. If I want an answer badly enough to put a bounty on it I'd be perfectly happy to offer 10 times the amount. It's not like I'm getting any real value out of having it anyway. The practical difference between 3K and what I have now is not worth a mention." CreationDate="2012-04-05T04:34:30.170" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5972" PostId="3197" Score="0" Text="It could well be the March 2nd, I really can't remember. It's not that I care about the rep, one way or the other, it's just that I didn't think it should be happening any longer, although Mark's answer addressed that part." CreationDate="2012-04-05T04:36:57.747" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5976" PostId="3199" Score="0" Text="Thanks Nick but, as I mentioned in my question, I was under the impression that recalcs were a thing of the past. Did I misunderstand what I thought we were told or has there been another change?" CreationDate="2012-04-10T21:44:33.020" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5977" PostId="3200" Score="2" Text="If you have a question please post it as such." CreationDate="2012-04-11T04:11:52.303" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5978" PostId="3200" Score="1" Text="Taking select words out of context does not an argument make. You are either doing System Admin work in a Professional Capacity, or your Professional Capacity is another job. Time has nothing to do with finding a solution; see http://www.despair.com/incompetence.html. &quot;Easy&quot; questions drive away actual knowledgeable professionals and garners an atmostphere of &quot;help desk&quot; (or hell desk as most of us think of it). No pro wants to  work for 8 hours, then pour more time into helping people who didn't read our FAQ. There are plenty of forums around that will &quot;help&quot; you. We do not aim to be one." CreationDate="2012-04-11T12:40:43.063" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5979" PostId="3200" Score="2" Text="Steve, the problem isn't with people asking &quot;easy&quot; questions as such, its with people asking questions that don't really fit the site's aim and purpose. We welcome *on-topic* questions as one of the aims of stack exchange sites is to become a reference library for their topic. In my opinion, the only problem this site has with &quot;easy&quot; is when its a synonym for &quot;Do my work for me&quot; or a blatantly off-topic question." CreationDate="2012-04-11T13:46:16.850" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="5980" PostId="3200" Score="2" Text="It's worth noting that a someone switching to a new OS, device, etc. may well ask questions which would appear to be &quot;easy&quot; to those with greater experience in that area. e.g. A Windows admin trying to get his head around a Linux system may well ask questions which appear very easy to answer for a Linux admin. This can be compounded by not really knowing what search terms to use while researching the issue." CreationDate="2012-04-11T22:43:48.927" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="5981" PostId="3200" Score="0" Text="An &quot;easy question&quot; is one that someone with reasonable experience in a professional role would be able to solve on their own using the tiniest bit of effort. Things like &quot;How do I allow SSH through iptables&quot; is an easy question, for example. It doesn't belong here. You'd *hope* that someone that manages Linux servers in a professional capacity would *at least* know where to find that answer if they didn't know it off the top of their head. We're not here to do people's basic research/troubleshooting. We're here to google things for people. We expect real effort to solve the issue  from the OP." CreationDate="2012-04-12T15:11:40.277" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5983" PostId="3200" Score="1" Text="Ok, here's my take: the way I solve &quot;easy&quot; problems is usually through Google. If I'm searching for it, it's likely someone else will want to search for it. If I can't find a good, simple answer, then why not ask here, so the next person will find that answer? It's not that I want someone to &quot;do my work for me&quot; - it's that I want to contribute to the body of knowledge that is Q&amp;A, including &quot;easy&quot; questions. (And I self-answer a few of those easy questions, too...)" CreationDate="2012-04-13T00:09:31.590" UserId="68259" />
  <row Id="5984" PostId="3200" Score="1" Text="Incidentally, my most popular question here: http://serverfault.com/questions/367921/how-to-prevent-ps-reporting-its-own-process/367922#367922&#xA;&#xA;Do you consider this &quot;on topic&quot;? It seems pretty &quot;easy&quot; to me, but clearly it interested people." CreationDate="2012-04-13T00:12:46.563" UserId="68259" />
  <row Id="5985" PostId="3200" Score="1" Text="There's a fine line between an easy question and an easy answer. Your question I would say is on-topic, though by a narrow margin, and though the answers were &quot;easy&quot; for some people, most non-unix SysAdmins would never guess any of them." CreationDate="2012-04-13T00:46:11.047" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5986" PostId="3200" Score="0" Text="My opinion is that if you can get the answer clearly by reading the man page, you didn't put enough effort in. I find it insulting for someone to ask a question that is already answered in the documentation. It is like saying &quot;my time is more valuable than yours. I'm not reading the docs, but you can for me.&quot; That said, I think your example question is probably fine, though maybe better suited for unix.se." CreationDate="2012-04-13T10:44:36.603" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5987" PostId="3200" Score="1" Text="Interesting. In response, I find it annoying that man pages are so hard to read that it's usually quicker just to google the specific issue you're having. It can take a long time to read through all the subtle distinctions between similar command line switches to work out exactly what combination you need. Frequently, googling (and ending up on a site like this one) gives a much better answer: &quot;here are the most common switches, you might also need this, and make sure you don't do X&quot;." CreationDate="2012-04-13T14:04:51.667" UserId="68259" />
  <row Id="5988" PostId="3200" Score="3" Text="@SteveBennett There's a difference between asking a question that says `&quot;I read the man page for rsync and I've tried $x $y and $z, but I can't for the life of me figure out why it's not producing the desired results.&quot;` and a question that says `&quot;I need to copy files. I heard rsync was good. Someone tell me what I need to do.&quot;`" CreationDate="2012-04-13T23:12:16.577" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="5989" PostId="3200" Score="0" Text="Indeed. What I'm arguing is that the second is not necessarily bad, as long as the question and answer describe a common scenario - and as long as there aren't already similar questions on here." CreationDate="2012-04-14T01:54:42.860" UserId="68259" />
  <row Id="6068" PostId="3200" Score="1" Text="@Steve, the second example IS bad because it shows the poster hasn't put any effort in for him/herself. Such a question is almost certain to get closed." CreationDate="2012-05-03T21:26:58.020" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6074" PostId="3200" Score="0" Text="You're starting from the existing axioms, that include the requirement to demonstrate effort. I'm not." CreationDate="2012-05-03T23:51:36.410" UserId="68259" />
  <row Id="5982" PostId="3202" Score="2" Text=":) I believe I can delete it, I just wanted to make sure that was the best practice." CreationDate="2012-04-12T18:42:10.230" UserId="15405" />
  <row Id="6087" PostId="3203" Score="1" Text="I like this approach better since other people may have a similar question at a later time." CreationDate="2012-05-07T16:15:44.110" UserId="21875" />
  <row Id="5990" PostId="3208" Score="4" Text="I've merged your accounts. Please consider registering with an OpenID so this doesn't happen again." CreationDate="2012-04-18T12:45:55.883" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="5993" PostId="3214" Score="0" Text="Re: it being OK to have questions where the answers change over time - this is true to some extent.  All answers change over time, but that doesn't mean that a question tied to a specific point in time is OK.  (e.g. &quot;What's a good salary for a sysadmin?&quot;: in addition to all the other reasons it's a bad question the average salary range changes constantly - we'd never be able to keep up with the changes, and the top-voted answers would be stale within a year...)" CreationDate="2012-04-20T20:46:58.823" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5994" PostId="3214" Score="0" Text="As we now have this meta topic I've scrubbed most of the comments on the question itself.  If the question gets re-opened I'll knock out the rest." CreationDate="2012-04-20T20:51:37.493" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="5996" PostId="3214" Score="0" Text="I believe my scenario is legit. I don't ask only about software to deliver but general approach too. Ways to do it (block on firewall, block in DNS, etc). Also the software being on market today will be there in a year or two (with some exceptions) and if some really good software will show up someone can add it too. If people won't add it it won't make the software suggested useless. Also the most voted and accepted answer isn't always the best for one's scenario so most people should read thru all answers to choose the &quot;RIGHT&quot; one for them." CreationDate="2012-04-20T20:57:08.267" UserId="32063" />
  <row Id="6032" PostId="3214" Score="0" Text="At the very least, it'd be good if the spelling mistake in the question title could be fixed (by someone who cares, presumably)." CreationDate="2012-04-25T04:49:15.110" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="5995" PostId="3215" Score="0" Text="Sure but I know some options on how to approach this. However I don't know them all. Asking about very specific scenario like you mention is a bit of a problem for me since I didn't know about `pf` could be used for this. That's why I think software related questions should be allowed since I don't know every single software on the market and google search is not always helpful. If you ask a question about Backup's I can provide you with 4-5 alternative software's and I think this should be allowed to be asked. In a year most of those software will still be on the market." CreationDate="2012-04-20T20:52:51.937" UserId="32063" />
  <row Id="5997" PostId="3215" Score="3" Text="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content-control_software" CreationDate="2012-04-20T21:07:51.497" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="5998" PostId="3215" Score="0" Text="Nice Zoredache." CreationDate="2012-04-20T21:09:26.143" UserId="32063" />
  <row Id="6001" PostId="3215" Score="1" Text="**In a year most of those software will still be on the market.** - they may still be on the market but they may no longer be a valid answer to a question along the lines of &quot;what is the best backup software for *A specific scenario*&quot; because the other tools available for that scenario may have improved while the software listed here has stood still, rendering the answer less than helpful. I'm not using the same enterprise backup software now that I was 5 years ago for this precise reason. And a simple list of software with no attempt to categorise it isn't that helpful." CreationDate="2012-04-22T14:08:41.967" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6002" PostId="3215" Score="0" Text="I wasn't asking for a list of software only but for advice on what to use based on experience etc. I do think this topic is over so you can just leave this question. You guys decided how you want it. That's fine." CreationDate="2012-04-22T21:44:08.100" UserId="32063" />
  <row Id="5999" PostId="3216" Score="0" Text="+1 - Asking about what features you should be looking for (or looking to avoid) is a **fantastic** question.  And the answers will be valuable in a few years when all the current software has disappeared." CreationDate="2012-04-20T21:20:24.447" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6003" PostId="3217" Score="0" Text="I removed the question. I found some software on my own and since I can't get recommendation's looks like I'm going to test them all." CreationDate="2012-04-22T21:55:10.550" UserId="32063" />
  <row Id="6017" PostId="3217" Score="0" Text="@MadBoy My recommendation would have been `squid`." CreationDate="2012-04-23T20:58:27.943" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="6006" PostId="3219" Score="1" Text="Since a lot of these technologies are tightly integrated into other products (Exchange, ...). I believe it would be on topic here. See: http://serverfault.com/search?q=telephony" CreationDate="2012-04-23T14:04:20.087" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="6009" PostId="3220" Score="0" Text="I agree that telephony as defined in that proposal `(PBX/PABX/IP PBX/VoIP/ToIP)` is on-topic here, though old PBX/PABX systems would be pretty legacy in any environment at this point and you'd be unlikely to find anyone with much experience with a specific unit. I'd go one step further though and say that &quot;circuit-switched telephony&quot; is only peripherally on-topic (it's a very niche area), and operations of the phone companies' networks would be off-topic..." CreationDate="2012-04-23T15:26:43.800" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6010" PostId="3220" Score="0" Text="The phone companies networks as they related to business WANs would be On-Topic. But Yeah, the internal operation of a PSTN network is Off-Topic and very niche." CreationDate="2012-04-23T15:40:21.277" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6018" PostId="3221" Score="0" Text="I'd consider legacy telephony (POTS PBX systems, key systems, etc. that don't use VOIP protocols) to be on topic as well - That's traditionally fallen under systems/networks at most companies I've worked for, IT being &quot;most likely to be able to figure that stuff out&quot;" CreationDate="2012-04-23T21:24:36.063" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6019" PostId="3221" Score="1" Text="Likewise. I've been fixing phone systems for a long time before &quot;VoIP&quot; became commonplace." CreationDate="2012-04-23T21:31:31.680" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6020" PostId="3221" Score="0" Text="I'm prepared to bet that if someone did actually ask a POTS question on SF it would get closed within the hour." CreationDate="2012-04-23T21:40:38.313" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6021" PostId="3221" Score="0" Text="You may be right @JohnGardeniers its certainly a grey area." CreationDate="2012-04-23T22:10:06.203" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6033" PostId="3221" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Depends pretty heavily on the question, but you're probably right - if someone asked how to configure a feature on an old Avaya or Nortel PBX I wouldn't *personally* kill it, but I also don't think it would live very long unless there was an &quot;IT&quot; spin to it somehow..." CreationDate="2012-04-25T08:46:27.797" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6023" PostId="3224" Score="0" Text="Thanks. Seems like SF leaves room for subjectivity when it comes to &quot;problem the question is trying to get at&quot;. However, when I think about it, sysadmin work overall allows for more subjectivity over, for example, programming. Makes sense. Thanks again!" CreationDate="2012-04-24T13:42:50.543" UserId="53736" />
  <row Id="6024" PostId="3224" Score="4" Text="Unfortunatly it's very common for Questioners to ask how to fix a specific problem, and not explain the overall problem they're trying to fix. The question you cite is a good example of one where they're really looking to manage login accounts, but going at it by bashing their head into the wall. You can either pad the wall or tell them to stop doing that.... both would be &quot;acceptable&quot; in this case." CreationDate="2012-04-24T15:54:56.117" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6030" PostId="3224" Score="4" Text="@ChrisS Tell them to stop doing that. Padding the wall only changes it from a loud annoying *BANG* to a dull *THUD*..." CreationDate="2012-04-24T16:35:11.970" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6031" PostId="3224" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much @ChrisS. Very well explained and appreciate you clarifying that for me." CreationDate="2012-04-24T21:48:20.207" UserId="53736" />
  <row Id="12481" PostId="3224" Score="0" Text="@BeamingMel-Bin the affectionate name for this is [The XY Problem](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-xy-problem)" CreationDate="2014-02-27T04:11:49.003" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="6025" PostId="3226" Score="0" Text="Yea his analogy made lots of sense to me and helped me get what he was getting at." CreationDate="2012-04-24T16:06:00.390" UserId="53736" />
  <row Id="6026" PostId="3226" Score="0" Text="What I meant by `Perhaps it is different in serverfault than the rest of stackexchange?` is that, in SO for example, you wouldn't answer a question like, e.g., &quot;How do I pass by ref in Python&quot; by saying &quot;Use Perl&quot;. That type of thing is acceptable here for reasons you have stated." CreationDate="2012-04-24T16:08:01.933" UserId="53736" />
  <row Id="6027" PostId="3226" Score="3" Text="@BeamingMel-Bin In the &quot;Use Perl&quot; example, that's entirely different. That's an opinion based on preference. However, if the question has a technically defensible answer that's contrary to the original question, then that's a good answer. For example, &quot;How do I use lexical scopes in Python?&quot; the answer is truly, &quot;You can't. Use Perl.&quot; Or another example would be &quot;How do I use &lt;&gt; in Python?&quot; and the answer would be &quot;You can try fileinput.input() but you don't get the same functionality as &lt;&gt;. Consider using Perl if you must have `while`.&quot;" CreationDate="2012-04-24T16:20:54.753" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6029" PostId="3226" Score="0" Text="I see your point. In the case of the original question, you could use Puppet for user management (I do and answered how I do). LDAP was suggested because it is more flexible but it didn't directly answer the question. Obviously, I am a minority here lol. And you gentlemen are high rep users so I respect your views on this. Don't really mean to argue just want to understand :-)." CreationDate="2012-04-24T16:34:33.093" UserId="53736" />
  <row Id="6036" PostId="3226" Score="0" Text="@BeamingMel-Bin To follow up, here's another very recent example of mine of answering the question with an answer that isn't exactly what the OP was aiming at: http://serverfault.com/a/383240/9770 - another satisfied customer. =)" CreationDate="2012-04-26T03:30:02.647" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6038" PostId="3226" Score="0" Text="Well answered too." CreationDate="2012-04-26T09:59:26.660" UserId="53736" />
  <row Id="6035" PostId="3228" Score="3" Text="Then it's not really home networking, is it? In that context the question does indeed belong on SF. This is really no different to how many of us need to deal with remote users of our corporate networks." CreationDate="2012-04-25T21:43:03.903" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6037" PostId="3228" Score="0" Text="Nope, but it's home equipment, which some people were arguing was off-topic." CreationDate="2012-04-26T09:38:30.210" UserId="247" />
  <row Id="6039" PostId="3228" Score="2" Text="Eh, that's not &quot;home equipment&quot; as we define it... We've had this discussion before (can't find the link right now), but don't get too caught up on the word &quot;home&quot;. The location of the equipment and the fact (in this case) that it's carrying data for a &quot;home user&quot; doesn't detract from the ISP's business use of the technology. The other discussion I can't find the link for was regarding a telecommuter, he was working in a 100% business capacity. The fact that his &quot;office&quot; is collocated with his domiciliary habitation doesn't make it a &quot;home&quot; question." CreationDate="2012-04-26T19:35:39.990" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6044" PostId="3229" Score="1" Text="Changed my mind, bad question, deleted it" CreationDate="2012-04-27T20:13:57.770" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="6046" PostId="3229" Score="2" Text="As pure anecdotal evidence, I've asked almost 100 questions (which is still less than 1/3 of Kyle's), and [I'm constantly not getting the mega rep boost and great answers](http://serverfault.com/q/382485/7709) for being high rep. Bring on the dictatorship I say!" CreationDate="2012-04-27T22:07:20.817" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6102" PostId="3229" Score="15" Text="Now that you've deleted the example ... how are we supposed to comment?" CreationDate="2012-05-09T02:15:04.143" UserId="9332" />
  <row Id="6375" PostId="3229" Score="1" Text="My point always was and still is - if anyone asking question which could help at least one other person - this is a contribution to the StackExchange. Because this is not about admins and other. This is about gathering free high quality information.... So If A is what you call high-rep and he brings quality by answering 100 questions. Then imagine that on other end of this story are 100 people (low-rep?). But altogther - world got just better +100 points of quality information." CreationDate="2012-06-13T21:35:48.943" UserId="46616" />
  <row Id="6043" PostId="3230" Score="2" Text="Is it actually a real problem? If a new (necessarily low rep) user comes in with a set of awesome answers and questions, as near as I can tell, they're treated quite well also. I also tend to go read through their other posts if I see a really good one and upvote their other awesome Qs &amp; As as well." CreationDate="2012-04-27T20:03:44.677" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="6045" PostId="3230" Score="4" Text="I'm not losing sleep over it myself, I am quite comfortable with the idea that people earn a bit of slack, if that's what you're asking. But at the same time, newcomers who see their questions get shut with cold steel are going to feel somewhat vexed by it. There's no getting away from that." CreationDate="2012-04-27T21:49:38.497" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6047" PostId="3231" Score="0" Text="+1 for &quot;It is fair? no. Does it really matter? no.&quot; but almost -1 for referencing a burn that happened 4 months ago." CreationDate="2012-04-28T01:30:17.390" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6048" PostId="3231" Score="2" Text="That burn was epic and Is highly underrated. Also, since Kyle is only in chat once every 4 months, it's relevant :p" CreationDate="2012-04-28T02:48:31.863" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="6049" PostId="3231" Score="0" Text="I'm pretty sure that the expiry date on an epic burn is more than 4 months..." CreationDate="2012-04-28T07:06:07.083" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6053" PostId="3231" Score="0" Text="epic burn? Like 'deep heat on a sock' type burn?" CreationDate="2012-04-29T12:56:46.447" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6054" PostId="3231" Score="2" Text="&quot;Does it really matter?&quot;, yes it does when it sets a bad example. Someone seeing that question may know absolutely nothing about Kyle's (or anyone else's) other contributions, which makes them utterly irrelevant." CreationDate="2012-04-29T22:21:37.093" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6055" PostId="3231" Score="2" Text="Being fair doesn't necessarily mean being equal." CreationDate="2012-04-30T13:01:18.947" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="6056" PostId="3231" Score="7" Text="I hate all ya'll." CreationDate="2012-04-30T18:59:46.943" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="6125" PostId="3231" Score="0" Text="+1 for the fair not being equal comment - it's a lesson I'm always reteaching my kids when they complain about things not being &quot;fair&quot; when it's perfectly fair.. just not equal." CreationDate="2012-05-11T14:17:30.110" UserId="4251" />
  <row Id="6086" PostId="3233" Score="0" Text="I disagree with the assertion that backward-compatible SSL requires one IP per site. Why on Earth couldn't StackExchange use a UCC certificate, especially when some CAs allow unlimited domains and unlimited reissues to change the list of domains?" CreationDate="2012-05-06T17:39:33.347" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="6050" PostId="3234" Score="0" Text="Hah, good call.  I hadn't done an ownership lookup on the IP last night, but you're right, it's an AWS IP that the hotel proxies through.  Strange setup." CreationDate="2012-04-28T16:14:27.937" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="6051" PostId="3234" Score="1" Text="@ShaneMadden what's a delightfully INSANE arrangement... I would like to speak to their netadmin about why they chose this setup..." CreationDate="2012-04-28T21:21:02.057" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6052" PostId="3234" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Looks like their setup is outsourced - http://www.wi-figuys.com/" CreationDate="2012-04-29T02:22:40.467" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="6060" PostId="3237" Score="4" Text="I had a look at a bunch of your questions. Not only are they not difficult, let alone &quot;exceptionally difficult&quot;, nearly all have been well answered. Your claim that &quot;SF has a strong tendency towards not being very helpful&quot; is not only absurd and unwarranted it's downright offensive." CreationDate="2012-05-01T22:03:22.320" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6083" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="language barrier break down maybe?" CreationDate="2012-05-04T15:27:32.183" UserId="19956" />
  <row Id="6153" PostId="3237" Score="4" Text="&quot;Except when my question has already been asked and answered by someone else, of course.&quot;  Isn't that the point - to collect good questions and answers to benefit the futures askers?" CreationDate="2012-05-16T14:15:05.677" UserId="19710" />
  <row Id="6061" PostId="3239" Score="1" Text="On su, there's a convention of using windows-8-preview for windows 8 questions, since we have a load of windows 7 rc questions *still* popping up. Having a *specific* tag for release candidates works pretty well, since you have the option of cleanup" CreationDate="2012-05-02T14:04:41.933" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="6066" PostId="3239" Score="1" Text="You're right about `rc`. After all, everyone knows it really stands for `Remote Control`." CreationDate="2012-05-03T00:05:03.467" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6124" PostId="3239" Score="0" Text="No no, `Radio Controlled`." CreationDate="2012-05-11T10:58:49.647" UserId="92104" />
  <row Id="6158" PostId="3239" Score="0" Text="@TomAnderson same difference ;]" CreationDate="2012-05-16T23:10:32.570" UserId="55663" />
  <row Id="6166" PostId="3239" Score="0" Text="@HubertKario No love for IR remote control?" CreationDate="2012-05-18T15:18:37.737" UserId="16355" />
  <row Id="6064" PostId="3241" Score="1" Text="Please post questions as such. This is a Q&amp;A site, not a regular discussion forum, so asking a question as an answer to another question doesn't fit in with how the site works." CreationDate="2012-05-02T21:35:23.110" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6065" PostId="3241" Score="2" Text="Good questions that fit in with the site's aims are welcome from any source, acolyte, which generally means questions about actual problems rather than hypothetical &quot;what if I did this...&quot; discussions. If you want to discuss stuff, it *might* be welcome in chat, though that tends to be rather free-wheeling and off topic (think &quot;in the bar after work&quot; more than &quot;talking shop in your lunchbreak&quot;, if that makes sense). Its certainly not a case of &quot;not knowing enough&quot; - anyone can have a good question and anyone can have a good answer to that question." CreationDate="2012-05-02T22:21:35.217" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6067" PostId="3241" Score="0" Text="ok, that's good to know.&#xA;&#xA;+1 on the username mate.  vinyl scratch is teh best pony.&#xA;&#xA;also, i'm assuming upvotes on meta topics don't give you rep." CreationDate="2012-05-03T02:21:32.407" UserId="119486" />
  <row Id="6069" PostId="3242" Score="5" Text="There was a Healthcare IT site?" CreationDate="2012-05-03T22:58:55.623" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6072" PostId="3242" Score="1" Text="@WesleyDavid http://healthcareit.stackexchange.com Yep." CreationDate="2012-05-03T23:08:13.583" UserId="82680" />
  <row Id="6073" PostId="3242" Score="0" Text="I'll take a wander on over and see what I can find." CreationDate="2012-05-03T23:08:36.800" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="6077" PostId="3242" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 Thanks for having a look." CreationDate="2012-05-04T00:14:41.130" UserId="82680" />
  <row Id="6078" PostId="3242" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 Mark took a look through and found a couple, so no need to go through unless you'd like to." CreationDate="2012-05-04T00:28:17.337" UserId="82680" />
  <row Id="6079" PostId="3242" Score="3" Text="@WesleyDavid Yep, it was ill conceived and destined to tank from get-go." CreationDate="2012-05-04T02:00:43.750" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6070" PostId="3243" Score="0" Text="I totally understand where you are coming from.  Thanks for looking at these.  Have a look at anything else you might like and flag if it's something you want." CreationDate="2012-05-03T23:00:32.423" UserId="82680" />
  <row Id="6071" PostId="3243" Score="0" Text="(Or if you don't feel like picking through, which is understandable, if you could look at some of our tags and identify those that might have high probability of on-topic questions, and I can weed through)" CreationDate="2012-05-03T23:02:15.463" UserId="82680" />
  <row Id="6075" PostId="3243" Score="0" Text="@jonsca - sure, I'll have a poke around there today and flag anything I like the looks of." CreationDate="2012-05-04T00:07:49.213" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6076" PostId="3243" Score="0" Text="Thank you for doing so!" CreationDate="2012-05-04T00:14:13.140" UserId="82680" />
  <row Id="6080" PostId="3243" Score="0" Text="Too bad we couldn't close the first as A Very Bad Idea, because they could have ended up with [this](https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=65649&amp;tstart=0)." CreationDate="2012-05-04T07:37:12.677" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="6085" PostId="3243" Score="0" Text="@tombull89 O_o that's just incredible. I can't believe anyone would be that stupid." CreationDate="2012-05-06T07:46:24.297" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6081" PostId="3247" Score="1" Text="Do you have a link to the question?  Bounty is taken away from the user's rep when the bounty is offered.  This could reduce the user's rep below the bounty amount. [See also](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/16065/how-does-the-bounty-system-work)." CreationDate="2012-05-04T15:06:14.800" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="6082" PostId="3247" Score="0" Text="@jscott Thanks, this answers the question. Please convert to answer so  I could mark as accepted." CreationDate="2012-05-04T15:07:45.893" UserId="107323" />
  <row Id="6084" PostId="3250" Score="0" Text="+1 on the Tek-Tips comment." CreationDate="2012-05-06T02:57:59.607" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="6095" PostId="3255" Score="2" Text="[I'm certainly against](http://meta.dba.stackexchange.com/a/516/2660) flooding the front page with old material. However, I understand that the majority of people reading questions come through Google long after they've been answered. Therefore, a good edit should be made, regardless of the post's age, since lots of people will benefit from it. If the bump that big of a problem, perhaps one of the default reasons to reject an edit should be **&quot;post is too old&quot;**. Otherwise, yes, that &quot;minor edit&quot; proposal would squarely address this issue." CreationDate="2012-05-08T14:28:08.827" UserId="93425" />
  <row Id="6089" PostId="3256" Score="0" Text="I think if the page has focus, and a sensible timer hasn't elapsed, maintain the lock." CreationDate="2012-05-08T07:00:02.670" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="6090" PostId="3256" Score="0" Text="Alternatively, an interesting idea would be something like Google Wave, where x users can all edit simultaneously" CreationDate="2012-05-08T07:01:51.497" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="6091" PostId="3256" Score="0" Text="@Tom, in regard to your first comment, what about a situation where someone is editing a post and pops over to another browser window/tab to refer to something. The loss of focus may mean the lock is released prematurely, which puts us right back where we are now." CreationDate="2012-05-08T07:40:34.997" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6092" PostId="3256" Score="0" Text="Hm.  This is hard.. Let's go shopping." CreationDate="2012-05-08T07:41:37.347" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="6096" PostId="3256" Score="0" Text="I think a sort of live-editing (google docs/drive style) might solve your problem..." CreationDate="2012-05-08T22:36:27.797" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="6097" PostId="3256" Score="0" Text="@Bart, not my problem. ;) In reality I think there are so many ifs and buts that it's highly unlikely that an editing lock will ever be implemented." CreationDate="2012-05-08T23:43:55.250" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6094" PostId="3257" Score="0" Text="I removed the reference to the auditor because it was distracting (as explained above). Perhaps I shouldn't have removed the mention of the file, but I don't think that doing that completely changed the meaning of the question, especially in light of the answers given (including one from the asker himself)." CreationDate="2012-05-08T14:13:30.563" UserId="93425" />
  <row Id="6093" PostId="3258" Score="0" Text="No biggie. As a regular on DBA.SE, I've had trouble myself with editors bumping old posts to the front page so I completely understand." CreationDate="2012-05-08T14:11:06.820" UserId="93425" />
  <row Id="6108" PostId="3260" Score="1" Text="I knew it was *you* that stole those precious `/review` edits from me!" CreationDate="2012-05-10T00:14:41.223" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="6109" PostId="3260" Score="0" Text="@jscott: Bwah-ha-HA-HA-ha!" CreationDate="2012-05-10T00:15:48.120" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="6117" PostId="3260" Score="1" Text="The concept of an indicator has all the same problems as a lock. If one was practical so the other would be. I'm not saying either is a bad idea, just that I can't see them being workable." CreationDate="2012-05-10T10:17:30.070" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6105" PostId="3261" Score="2" Text="How about autosaving immediately upon starting to edit?" CreationDate="2012-05-09T20:01:17.970" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="6106" PostId="3262" Score="2" Text="Hmm.... it would make them easier to find, but meta tags suck... In two minds..." CreationDate="2012-05-09T23:28:53.887" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6107" PostId="3262" Score="3" Text="Aww; don't be all fundamentalist." CreationDate="2012-05-09T23:30:46.910" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="6126" PostId="3262" Score="1" Text="What do we do about questions that are canonical but have 5 valid tags on them already?" CreationDate="2012-05-11T20:22:45.377" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="6134" PostId="3262" Score="0" Text="It turns out that this very idea was brought up on MSO earlier this year and was received poorly (though not as poorly as to earn invective) http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/118935/introduce-a-canonical-question-tag" CreationDate="2012-05-13T02:17:44.227" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="13269" PostId="3262" Score="0" Text="@bighomie, this doesn't need a feature request, we could (and still can) do it ourselves. However, the community agreed at the time not to do that as meta tags suck. This is why we have a faq tag and the list of cannonical questions http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1986/what-are-the-canonical-answers-weve-discovered-over-the-years." CreationDate="2014-06-12T21:09:24.927" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6120" PostId="3263" Score="2" Text="We need a Red canonical tag, like the `featured` or `faq` tags on the meta site, but for the main site." CreationDate="2012-05-10T15:43:06.967" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6122" PostId="3263" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Is that possible on the main sites? Where are the developers when we need them? Bring Ballmer to do the dance of developer summoning!" CreationDate="2012-05-10T17:07:12.437" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6110" PostId="3265" Score="0" Text="OK, so it boils down to general knowledge-building questions being off-topic - there must  be a concrete problem you are facing?" CreationDate="2012-05-10T09:30:29.237" UserId="2439" />
  <row Id="6111" PostId="3265" Score="0" Text="So wouldn't questions like *&quot;Is a Network Switch IP-Aware?&quot;*, *&quot;Is Clustering really = High Availability?&quot;* or *&quot;Can someone explain the difference between app server/web server/web services?&quot;* not be off-topic as well? They are asking for general information, without a concrete problem at hand." CreationDate="2012-05-10T09:32:52.073" UserId="2439" />
  <row Id="6112" PostId="3265" Score="0" Text="I'd go along with that as a rough guide. That's probably true of most of the main sites - Stack Overflow and Super User operate along the same lines." CreationDate="2012-05-10T09:33:32.700" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6113" PostId="3265" Score="0" Text="I don't really plan to sit here and debate various questions on the main site, I don't see the point of that. It may be that those questions should be closed too. Or that they can be made relevant (to be fair, it wouldn't take much to make your post on topic)." CreationDate="2012-05-10T09:36:00.107" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6114" PostId="3265" Score="0" Text="Sorry,I didn't want to debate the question, I was merely using the examples for clarification. Anyway, if you feel &quot;it wouldn't take much to make your post on topic&quot;, could you explain where it is lacking?" CreationDate="2012-05-10T09:39:27.603" UserId="2439" />
  <row Id="6115" PostId="3265" Score="0" Text="@sleske, if your read the FAQ, as you were prompted to do, you might have a better understanding of how to ask your question." CreationDate="2012-05-10T10:07:42.500" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6116" PostId="3265" Score="0" Text="I gave you an example in the question ;-) - change the feel of your post from &quot;why is it that...?&quot; to &quot;I'm trying to manage latency on a mobile network, what do I need to look at to reduce or eliminate...&quot;" CreationDate="2012-05-10T10:11:50.857" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6118" PostId="3265" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I'll try to improve the question..." CreationDate="2012-05-10T10:28:41.643" UserId="2439" />
  <row Id="6119" PostId="3265" Score="3" Text="The best answer I can give to the second comment, is that it depends. Some General Information questions have answers that apply to 95% of situations, and thus are the *acceptable correct* answers; the other 5% are usually fringe cases where you'll need someone with specialized knowledge (the [RAID ConAnswer](http://serverfault.com/q/339128) is a good example). For other general knowledge questions there is no *acceptable correct*, you'll always get *it depends*. Good examples: [Licensing](http://serverfault.com/q/215405) and [Server Sizing](http://serverfault.com/q/384686)." CreationDate="2012-05-10T14:50:55.457" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6121" PostId="3267" Score="0" Text="This is definitely something I can get behind -- I think if this answer manages 10 upvotes we can justify the tag :)" CreationDate="2012-05-10T15:57:09.197" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6123" PostId="3267" Score="1" Text="Agree. While its a meta tag and they're not usually a good thing, I think that the 'rule' against them should be a guideline, not something we're slaves to." CreationDate="2012-05-10T21:05:04.583" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11044" PostId="3267" Score="0" Text="I agree with this.  Being able to search on such a tag and then a keyword would make it easier to find them." CreationDate="2013-07-25T19:52:30.423" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="6128" PostId="3269" Score="4" Text="I understand the argument against meta tags but believe the questions we have identified as canonical are exceptions to various rules (most would be closed were they not canonical), not least of which is the idea of meta tags. Hard and fast rules are more detrimental than beneficial if there are absolutely no exceptions." CreationDate="2012-05-12T07:30:22.197" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6131" PostId="3272" Score="0" Text="So [tag:php5.3] should be killed, but not [tag:php4] and [tag:php5]?" CreationDate="2012-05-12T20:48:49.850" UserId="115189" />
  <row Id="6132" PostId="3272" Score="0" Text="I'm not a PHP person so can't tell if there is enough different between 5.3 and 5.4 to merit different tags. Generally we don't need it, but there are exceptions." CreationDate="2012-05-12T20:58:09.253" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="6142" PostId="3272" Score="0" Text="It's worth noting that, especially in the case of PHP, that minor points can at times be critical." CreationDate="2012-05-14T03:16:14.227" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6152" PostId="3273" Score="0" Text="I'm assuming that a read `canonical` tag could only be applied by mods, which would be a good thing." CreationDate="2012-05-16T05:38:45.017" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6159" PostId="3273" Score="0" Text="Oops, that should of course be &quot;red&quot; tag." CreationDate="2012-05-17T02:20:44.013" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6138" PostId="3274" Score="9" Text="The [FAQ] also states that questions regarding your home network are off-topic, even if they are about your home *server*. Furthermore, it states that questions are to be asked about these topics in a professional capacity. A personal home server is something else by definition." CreationDate="2012-05-13T23:39:43.597" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="6140" PostId="3274" Score="7" Text="For what it's worth, we don't ban people for being upset, or disagreeing with people (with one notable exception). We're all professionals here with professional day jobs; we have better things to do with our time than get into fights on the internet. So feel free to ragequit as much as you like, but you *are* welcome back." CreationDate="2012-05-14T02:13:36.160" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6143" PostId="3277" Score="2" Text="Third option: Merge those two old questions and close the new one as a dupe of the merge" CreationDate="2012-05-14T05:37:36.900" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6144" PostId="3277" Score="0" Text="What Mark said. This is a topic that doesn't come up very often so it makes sense to merge them so that there's just the one reference. I think that benefits any interested parties." CreationDate="2012-05-14T06:42:41.550" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6147" PostId="3277" Score="1" Text="The questions have now been merged and an answer I posted to the newer version of the question got merged with it. I've now merged the content of that answer into the older answer and deleted the newer one. Is it possible to have the deleted answer purged, rather than forever sitting there like yet more clutter?" CreationDate="2012-05-14T12:21:59.920" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6150" PostId="3278" Score="0" Text="Could you accept this answer please? Thank you!" CreationDate="2012-05-15T14:58:34.567" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6151" PostId="3278" Score="0" Text="It'll be another 11 hours before I can accept my own answer." CreationDate="2012-05-15T17:31:39.010" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="6146" PostId="3279" Score="1" Text="This is actually one of the reasons I don't like the term &quot;rep&quot; for the score we get." CreationDate="2012-05-14T12:18:01.143" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6148" PostId="3280" Score="6" Text="Add the &quot;move&quot; tag to that list." CreationDate="2012-05-14T14:14:19.343" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6149" PostId="3280" Score="3" Text="Add the &quot;devops&quot; tag to the list too." CreationDate="2012-05-15T14:57:50.997" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6163" PostId="3286" Score="3" Text="While there's a lot of truth in that, and I do love the analogy, just remember that the new kid in school sees them ONLY as cranky old ladies and knows nothing of the good they do. SF gets a LOT of new kids." CreationDate="2012-05-18T10:47:25.620" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6160" PostId="3289" Score="2" Text="I would add that *research for your job* is generally on-topic here -- for example if you have set up an Asterisk development lab (a couple of servers with a SIP or IAX trunk between them, and a couple of IP phones) and you're trying to debug some funky behavior that would be OK, as long as you're doing it so Office A and Office B can communicate on one phone network, as opposed to so you can talk to Aunt Gertie using VOIP..." CreationDate="2012-05-17T16:21:46.747" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6161" PostId="3289" Score="0" Text="That's great,  I've recently had the administration of a asterisk phone system landed on my desk so it would definitely come under the heading of _research_! thanks for the clarification." CreationDate="2012-05-17T17:59:28.257" UserId="118470" />
  <row Id="6162" PostId="3289" Score="1" Text="@Roomey Assuming you're actually USING the system that falls squarely in the realm of &quot;production system support&quot;. &quot;Research&quot; is when you haven't deployed it yet :-)" CreationDate="2012-05-17T18:27:41.747" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6190" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="I disagree about [tag:devops].  With the rise of cloud computing and dynamically allocated computing resources, I think devops is a field ripe for an explosion in usage and, of course, questions?" CreationDate="2012-05-22T19:15:43.337" UserId="118200" />
  <row Id="6208" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="devops would be a meta tag just like it,system-administration,servers etc and as such is of no real value when you consider the [intended purpose](http://meta.serverfault.com/tags) of tags." CreationDate="2012-05-23T07:32:59.360" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6209" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="I don't know what happened to all of the comments and included examples on this thread, but I believe that DevOps, at least in the meaning I intend, would indeed fit the intended purpose of tags. It would distinguish questions about how do I do this once from questions about how do I do this in an automated way that can be automatically repeated ad infinitum." CreationDate="2012-05-23T07:42:29.093" UserId="118200" />
  <row Id="6210" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="I deleted them because they didn't add any value to the discussion about the continued existence of the tag devops. Your comment above just reinforces that you don't understand the purpose of tags in the SF/SE sense." CreationDate="2012-05-23T08:02:28.920" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6181" PostId="3291" Score="1" Text="the &quot;Telophony.SE&quot; area 51 was closed at the start of May as a duplicate of ServerFault." CreationDate="2012-05-21T07:40:56.813" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="6183" PostId="3291" Score="0" Text="That's a pity. I though that question had been more than satisfactorily addressed here in favour of it *not* being a dupe of SF. It never fails to amaze me which sites get started and which ones get snuffed out, and why. There's some real absurdities amongst them." CreationDate="2012-05-21T10:59:08.743" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6164" PostId="3293" Score="0" Text="Yea, I was a bit concerned about that. I knew it was too broad for the main site." CreationDate="2012-05-18T13:00:18.353" UserId="91268" />
  <row Id="6165" PostId="3293" Score="0" Text="Although invented by a developer, the concept of [Technical Debt](http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TechnicalDebt.html) is highly relevant to systems administration." CreationDate="2012-05-18T14:49:22.907" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="6168" PostId="3295" Score="0" Text="Strange how a question asked by someone with a diamond gets upvoted when the same question be someone else would get downvoted." CreationDate="2012-05-19T04:49:27.717" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6169" PostId="3295" Score="0" Text="@John: behold! The power of self-answering! (FWIW, there is *one* downvote at present)" CreationDate="2012-05-19T04:52:36.467" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="6170" PostId="3295" Score="0" Text="Yes, that's mine. I try to vote honestly, not according to rank." CreationDate="2012-05-19T04:55:41.453" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6171" PostId="3295" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers: The SE format doesn't really lend itself to making announcements, doing it this way is as good as it gets." CreationDate="2012-05-19T09:10:21.883" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6172" PostId="3295" Score="2" Text="I understand why this has happened but it still seems like a strange design to me." CreationDate="2012-05-19T15:08:33.377" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6182" PostId="3295" Score="0" Text="@Iain, maybe this should be a feature request. I've previously asked for a &quot;sticky&quot; feature which keeps a post at the top of the list. That's a suitable substitute for a more conventional announcement and would be simplicity itself to code. I do of course assume the feature would be be available only to staff members and each post would have the sticky feature removed when appropriate." CreationDate="2012-05-21T10:53:39.577" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6211" PostId="3295" Score="0" Text="I flagged this as belonging on MSO, where site wide issues are discussed. The flag was declined. Not by one of our elected moderators but by the OP himself." CreationDate="2012-05-24T07:03:38.917" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6212" PostId="3295" Score="0" Text="It's already on MSO. It was on MSO first. I linked to the MSO question in the answer below, @John. If it seriously bugs you that this was announced here, then vote to close." CreationDate="2012-05-24T07:06:31.953" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="6167" PostId="3296" Score="5" Text="Oddly, I had the urge to downvote your question and upvote the answer." CreationDate="2012-05-18T21:02:45.750" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="6173" PostId="3297" Score="1" Text="Why does the first belong on severfault?  What part of that question makes you think 'professional system administration'?  The fact that it about ftp and not ssh or something else screams developer to me.  FTP is almost never the answer for any sysadmin task anymore." CreationDate="2012-05-20T11:24:54.767" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="6174" PostId="3297" Score="0" Text="I disagree with you but if you're right, why isn't the second post also a candidate?  Where's the consistency?  I appreciate that consistency is hard to achieve, but I don't understand why one post is moved and not the other, additionally, as one commenter said, why does a post about VPN access to work not get moved when a post asking how to SSH into work does?" CreationDate="2012-05-20T11:37:58.103" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6176" PostId="3297" Score="0" Text="@EightBitTony: You would need to review several hundred closed questions to see the consistency (I'm not suggesting either of these are candidates) Occasionally some do slip through. It's also interesting to note that you chose not to cast a vote on the latter before posting here too." CreationDate="2012-05-20T16:27:20.650" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6177" PostId="3297" Score="0" Text="I didn't vote, because I'm more confused about what is and isn't applicable than I have been in the past." CreationDate="2012-05-20T19:21:56.343" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6179" PostId="3297" Score="3" Text="Just vote or not as you see fit." CreationDate="2012-05-20T20:12:34.580" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6180" PostId="3297" Score="0" Text="Could people voting this question down post comments on why?" CreationDate="2012-05-21T07:26:00.800" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6186" PostId="3297" Score="0" Text="Voting on is a bit different from the main site, a down vote here could be translated as &quot;I don't agree with your opinion/view on the matter at hand&quot;." CreationDate="2012-05-21T22:56:52.157" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="6187" PostId="3297" Score="0" Text="Okay, thanks for the response." CreationDate="2012-05-21T23:04:17.513" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6175" PostId="3298" Score="3" Text="+1 for &quot;Because of the speed, our usual close-voters missed it since they tend to ignore accepted questions unless there is something in the subject to warrant suspicion.&quot;" CreationDate="2012-05-20T13:09:38.630" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6178" PostId="3298" Score="0" Text="The original question was answered pretty quickly as well.  I don't say this just to be argumentative, but to try and understand.  Anyway, thanks for the responses." CreationDate="2012-05-20T19:23:44.453" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6184" PostId="3298" Score="3" Text="+1 It really does depend on who sees the question. e.g. I'm usually pretty quick on the voting button but the vim question is a topic I know noting about, so would never even view it. The subject doesn't attract my attention as possibly off topic because syntax highlighting is important to me, both as an admin and as a code cutter." CreationDate="2012-05-21T11:08:01.197" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6185" PostId="3298" Score="0" Text="On a purely personal level after having spent a while reading through a lot of questions, I think there is a lot of inconsistency in the way the FAQ is applied by voters.  I appreciate there's not much that can be done, because people are people, but it irks me (I like consistency, and I like things to make sense).  Lots of posts with 'interesting' questions that don't look like professional queries seem to survive, but boring border-line ones get voted off." CreationDate="2012-05-21T22:14:54.423" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6188" PostId="3304" Score="0" Text="You star! I didn't realise that the 'edit' on the question as a whole would let me edit the title too. I would +1 if I could! (Shame I can't port my StackOverflow rep here.)" CreationDate="2012-05-22T16:57:14.047" UserId="104170" />
  <row Id="6189" PostId="3304" Score="1" Text="@PaulMasri, as soon as you get 200rep on any site, you will an account association bonus on all other sites, that will give you the basic privileges everywhere in the stackexchange network." CreationDate="2012-05-22T17:14:26.010" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="6235" PostId="3306" Score="0" Text="it would be nice of we could close the questions ourselves, or at least vote to close them if we are the OP" CreationDate="2012-05-25T12:08:38.070" UserId="77120" />
  <row Id="6236" PostId="3306" Score="12" Text="@Purefan: I don't believe that closing a given-up question is a good idea. Maybe the asker doesn't confirm which answer is &quot;the answer&quot;, but still knowledge is shared. Other users with the same problem may try both the solutions and find their own conclusions (then upvote their favourite question and post a comment about their experience). I'm sorry but I must disagree with your comment." CreationDate="2012-05-25T20:42:46.890" UserId="64579" />
  <row Id="6266" PostId="3306" Score="2" Text="Aye. I often find answers to /my/ problem in the remains of other people's discarded answers. You can post a comment &quot;I've given up on this problem and taken another option.&quot; if you want, though. But if you asked the question, the chances are that somebody else wants to know, too." CreationDate="2012-06-01T15:08:40.367" UserId="123219" />
  <row Id="6213" PostId="3307" Score="2" Text="This is meant to be a site for professionals. If you can't ask a question correctly (language difficulties taken into account) then you deserve what you get." CreationDate="2012-05-24T10:22:11.610" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6243" PostId="3307" Score="0" Text="Harshness is one thing. Being offensive in any manner is not welcome here. If you see answers or comments where someone gets too brutal, rude or offensive please flag it for moderator attention, no matter who posted it." CreationDate="2012-05-27T07:04:38.640" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6214" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="Browser? Version? OS?" CreationDate="2012-05-24T19:03:56.153" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="6215" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="Mac OS X, Firefox 13 - though this doesn't seem like a browser compatibility problem." CreationDate="2012-05-24T19:04:57.383" UserId="23215" />
  <row Id="6216" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="@AaronBertrand: Did you blow away cache/cookies? Captcha is working okay for me in Chrome and Firefox 12... (Also that standard disable adblock)" CreationDate="2012-05-24T19:28:09.210" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="6217" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="Not sure, have never had to blow away cookies on any SE site. I wasn't able to post an answer to [a question that was migrated from SO](http://serverfault.com/questions/392369/do-i-really-need-a-128gb-pagefile/) but then tried the same in Safari just now, no problem. So not sure if it was a transient issue but now it seems to be working ok. Am I the first/only person to ever see this?" CreationDate="2012-05-24T19:34:27.190" UserId="23215" />
  <row Id="6218" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="Is it still happening? http://meta.serverfault.com/captcha" CreationDate="2012-05-24T19:52:26.450" UserId="90257" />
  <row Id="6219" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="@Ben yes, different image now (all humans are dead). I see the same image in a different browser, but the actual captcha is there. I also see the captcha correctly in FireFox 13 on my other computer, same OS, same build." CreationDate="2012-05-24T20:02:07.390" UserId="23215" />
  <row Id="6220" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="Oh, technically you were on http://serverfault.com/captcha" CreationDate="2012-05-24T20:47:14.167" UserId="90257" />
  <row Id="6221" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="Yep, still broken there. I can add answers unlike before, but I assume that's because I'm no longer going through the verification." CreationDate="2012-05-24T20:51:16.673" UserId="23215" />
  <row Id="6223" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="Do you use HTTPS Everywhere?" CreationDate="2012-05-24T23:19:13.493" UserId="21550" />
  <row Id="6224" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="@RebeccaChernoff no, I don't..." CreationDate="2012-05-24T23:21:46.347" UserId="23215" />
  <row Id="6225" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="Oh. ):  It sounded like [this](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/89494/captcha-failed-to-display) possibly.  Anything else doing https stuff?" CreationDate="2012-05-24T23:22:42.147" UserId="21550" />
  <row Id="6226" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="@RebeccaChernoff No, this is pretty standard stuff... clicked on a migrated link from SO for a question that was migrated here, entered an answer, and was prompted with the above page - which looks just like the normal captcha page, but no captcha. I see the same on the link Ben provided as well, which is not https:// ... do you see the captcha there?" CreationDate="2012-05-24T23:24:31.583" UserId="23215" />
  <row Id="6227" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="Disable any and all plugins and extensions you've got.  Sure sounds like something's blocking it from getting pulled in..." CreationDate="2012-05-24T23:26:54.937" UserId="21550" />
  <row Id="6228" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="The only add-in I have is Google Redesigned. Disabling it and restarting Firefox yields the same thing. And I'm using the same add-on on my other computer, which is the same OS, same build of Firefox etc., and the captcha works fine there. I am seeing the same thing at http://stackoverflow.com/captcha" CreationDate="2012-05-24T23:30:37.847" UserId="23215" />
  <row Id="6229" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="proxy?  what else do you have that would interfere?" CreationDate="2012-05-24T23:33:54.660" UserId="21550" />
  <row Id="6230" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="Nothing... as I've stated it works in Safari, another browser on this machine, so I don't think a proxy (which I don't even use) could be blamed. I am connected directly to my router with a dedicated 35/35 connection." CreationDate="2012-05-24T23:38:20.880" UserId="23215" />
  <row Id="6231" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="More than willing to allow someone to use LogMeIn or some similar technology to sniff around at my settings, if it will help the site or other users who come across this issue in the future." CreationDate="2012-05-24T23:39:25.590" UserId="23215" />
  <row Id="6232" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="In case there's any question that my Internet speed is somehow preventing the captcha widget from loading: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1970168410.png" CreationDate="2012-05-24T23:40:55.230" UserId="23215" />
  <row Id="6267" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="Did this ever get reproduced/resolved ?" CreationDate="2012-06-01T17:09:47.907" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6268" PostId="3308" Score="0" Text="@Iain no, still happening for me on this machine in Firefox 13." CreationDate="2012-06-01T17:10:52.820" UserId="23215" />
  <row Id="6238" PostId="3312" Score="4" Text="I always feel sorry for people dumped into the situation you're in but Jeff raises the central problem with these questions: If you don't know what you need then we cannot help you figure it out within the reasonable boundaries of this site. There isn't any &quot;general purpose&quot; spec you can use - You mention database servers - I've built several database servers for my employer. Some of them are similar (some of them are identical!) but some of them are also very different. It varies due to requirements and there isn't an off the peg solution." CreationDate="2012-05-26T10:00:37.130" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6241" PostId="3312" Score="1" Text="For this kind of situation it's pretty pointless asking us. Get in touch with one of the many companies that specialise in helping people make intelligent decisions about server room purchases. If you don't know how to find those companies you might start by finding the partners on the hardware manufacturers web sites." CreationDate="2012-05-27T06:59:00.877" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6242" PostId="3313" Score="0" Text="In hindsight it might have been worth adding links like that to the FAQ. Maybe next time." CreationDate="2012-05-27T07:01:25.600" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6237" PostId="3314" Score="7" Text="+1 &quot;if you have this as a job requirement and you're in over your heard, your employer either needs to train you or hire somebody (consultant or staff) who can cover it.&quot;" CreationDate="2012-05-25T23:17:58.953" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6240" PostId="3319" Score="0" Text="+1 for &quot;Just vote as you see fit, others will do the same&quot;. It's actually a little uncommon to see 5 close votes for the same reason on a single question, so clearly we all have our own voting preferences." CreationDate="2012-05-27T06:54:15.080" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6244" PostId="3323" Score="0" Text="*innocent whistle* AdBlock, eh?" CreationDate="2012-05-28T13:28:25.083" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="6247" PostId="3323" Score="0" Text="I had to switch it on to get that image ..." CreationDate="2012-05-28T18:37:47.453" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21509" PostId="3326" Score="0" Text="Really great question here, I think we SF should perhaps update the  &quot;tour&quot; guidelines  and just delete &quot;don't post about....Career , salary, personnel, employment, or formal education&quot; because surely that doesn't mean in the loose sense &quot;don't educate yourself,&quot; since basically by posting on or surfing the site, we are all performing career education.  Seems like an unnecessary limitation since spammers wouldn't read that anyway." CreationDate="2016-11-20T17:17:35.897" UserId="351804" />
  <row Id="6253" PostId="3327" Score="2" Text="For those of us who don't yet know or use SQL Server but have a need or desire to learn such a question and its answers may be very welcome." CreationDate="2012-05-29T10:59:04.907" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6254" PostId="3331" Score="3" Text="I don't see anything to worry about there - he's answering questions about the product, not pushing the product as a solution." CreationDate="2012-05-30T06:45:57.340" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6255" PostId="3331" Score="14" Text="I think that while vendor agents &quot;behave&quot;, their participation should be encouraged. It can only improve the quality of answers on the site, right?" CreationDate="2012-05-30T09:07:27.040" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6256" PostId="3332" Score="2" Text="Couldn't agree with the last paragraph any more. If particular vendors caught my eye on here, you can be sure I'd be pushing for them." CreationDate="2012-05-31T12:43:07.773" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="6263" PostId="3332" Score="2" Text="I have to whole heartedly agree on the advertising it provides. I've seen it work in another space and the impact is far *far* better than any sidebar ad." CreationDate="2012-05-31T23:18:13.703" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="6311" PostId="3332" Score="1" Text="Hi Kyle ! Thanks for the kind comment :-) I've had the same issue on the haproxy mailing list where I had to ask a handful of posters from a few companies (including mine) to focus on technical content and not spamvertising. They understood and reacted very positively. In the end, it brought them more than advertising, because due to their numerous helpful posts, now everyone knows that some of them are really skilled in their areas and would blindly go with their products if needed." CreationDate="2012-06-05T22:50:42.900" UserId="57371" />
  <row Id="6260" PostId="3335" Score="1" Text="If you haven't already you should see this blog post.  http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/03/respect-the-community-your-own-and-others/" CreationDate="2012-05-31T20:03:08.057" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="6262" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="Can you give us some examples ?" CreationDate="2012-05-31T21:37:45.950" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6270" PostId="3335" Score="3" Text="Could we not have some sort of 'cross-posting' system? Where if a question might span multiple sites, have it appear on both, and let both communities take a shot at it. The one that has the most responses can 'claim' the question, once the author accepts an answer. Otherwise, the debate about where a question should be will rage on for ever." CreationDate="2012-06-03T17:31:51.457" UserId="51045" />
  <row Id="6275" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="@MisterITGuru: This isn't practical because (as I understand it) each site has it's own database." CreationDate="2012-06-03T21:32:04.907" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6296" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="@MisterITGuru: see the blog post Zoredache links to above." CreationDate="2012-06-04T19:25:57.083" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6302" PostId="3335" Score="1" Text="Maybe I'm missing something here but isn't this the *exact* reason to have the required five count to close / migrate questions? Shouldn't the community at large dictate how much these wider questions really apply to systems administration?" CreationDate="2012-06-05T16:42:54.913" UserId="90351" />
  <row Id="6257" PostId="3336" Score="6" Text="If system administration as defined for [SF] is so expansive why are there so many [SE] sites *dedicated* to the minute tasks we would normally consider &quot;system administration&quot;?" CreationDate="2012-05-31T19:51:31.687" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6258" PostId="3336" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS: Rather try to answer that in more concrete terms. Which sites in particular?" CreationDate="2012-05-31T19:53:19.730" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="6259" PostId="3336" Score="0" Text="IT Security, for one." CreationDate="2012-05-31T19:54:31.060" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="6261" PostId="3336" Score="5" Text="My understanding is that IT Security is a different *field* than System administration. There is overlap but they are different. My take is that when there is overlap (it would be fine on either site, both sites have people capable of answering it) then leave it on the site it was asked on." CreationDate="2012-05-31T20:06:39.977" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="6276" PostId="3336" Score="0" Text="IT security has a very different scope than System administration, in fact it is a lot wider than IT Security - we also encompass a lot of other security aspects a security professional will be likely to deal with, including social engineering, forensics, physical security, CCTV etc." CreationDate="2012-06-03T21:56:25.623" UserId="62544" />
  <row Id="6272" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="Of course, the question I posted about 7z was a classic example of &quot;pandering&quot; to entry-level sysadmins. I had something like a thousand files to unzip, and the compression method wasn't supported by `unzip` so I used 7z. No wildcard support, used `xargs`. Thought it was a question someone might have someday, so I posted it to SF with an answer. I really have a hard time believing that adding &quot;long-tail&quot; content that a novice sysadmin might search for someday is a terrible thing to do here." CreationDate="2012-06-03T20:19:16.883" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="6273" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="Your answer doesn't mention anything about wildcard support or xargs btw. You also appear to have voted to close your own question (I don't know how you voted or why though) which is strange. Please remember that SF is meant to be for professional system admins etc. The pandering that we do is to those that clearly fall outside of that category." CreationDate="2012-06-03T21:01:58.220" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6277" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="Wildcard support was a separate question, sorry; added above. I voted to migrate my own question because I became convinced that school #2 (the one that you clearly subscribe to personally) had prevailed at SF. When @KyleBrandt raised this question in chat, expressing a preference for school #1, I decided that perhaps the jury was still out." CreationDate="2012-06-03T22:57:34.487" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="6278" PostId="3341" Score="1" Text="By the way, in my role as a consultant, I routinely encounter &quot;professional sysadmins&quot; (that is, people who are paid exclusively to manage networks/systems at companies ranging from tens of employees to single-digit thousands of employees) who have very limited technical abilities by our standards. These are people who have never heard of `xargs`, have never used PowerShell, don't understand how stateful firewalls work, etc. There are not nearly enough well-qualified sysadmins in the marketplace for us to assume that all *naive* questions are necessarily *unprofessional* questions." CreationDate="2012-06-03T23:02:29.100" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="6281" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="I would expect people who are professional to know how to research their problem, read error messages, logs etc and post the relevant portions. The people outside our audience just don't do this." CreationDate="2012-06-04T06:51:22.227" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6293" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="No one favors ceasing to close unanswerable questions, nor is anyone suggesting that greater effort should be expended in answering questions asked by obstinate fools." CreationDate="2012-06-04T14:50:06.767" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="6294" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="@lain You must really like to work alone. The point of a community is to be inclusive of everyone regardless of skill level, yes there are bad questions, we do a good job of down voting those, but most are productive and have a point." CreationDate="2012-06-04T16:31:26.487" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6295" PostId="3341" Score="1" Text="@BrentPabst: How would you know about how well we vote ? I've voted more times today that you have in 2 years ?" CreationDate="2012-06-04T19:18:41.617" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6297" PostId="3341" Score="2" Text="@lain Forgive me, I have work to attend to during the day, however in my experience on all SE sites the COMMUNITY does a good job of down voting questions that aren't worthwhile. Again, it should be about providing knowledge to help better the community without having to worry about one individual making a decision that a particular post is two inches over a threshold." CreationDate="2012-06-04T19:41:46.270" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6274" PostId="3342" Score="2" Text="There is a fine line to walk for vendors. Unfortunately many of them try to use the site to promote their products (spam) rather than just use the site as another way of supporting their users. That's what's not to like." CreationDate="2012-06-03T21:07:42.533" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6282" PostId="3342" Score="2" Text="OK - but that's something else. Allowing vendors to participate (and add value) vs. allowing them to use it as an advertising channel. Sure it's a fine line to walk - but for me, if a vendor is actively engaged with their community by answering or asking questions here, that's a good thing, even if having a thriving community is good for their marketing position. What the heck - we're all motivated by *something*, but as long as everyone plays by the rules, it's fine.  The moderators can easily act against spammers, while allowing genuine participation to continue." CreationDate="2012-06-04T08:28:55.473" UserId="7011" />
  <row Id="6285" PostId="3345" Score="0" Text="First thing, there are 5 moderators and we do not always agree. However if one takes an action, like closing a question, and it is discussed, we commonly keep the discussion to ourselves until there is a clear resolution (have patience). If you still don't agree with us, there's a Contact link at the bottom of every page that goes to [SE] employees." CreationDate="2012-06-04T13:05:32.290" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6288" PostId="3345" Score="0" Text="Thanks @ChrisS that makes sense. I have a suggestion though that if you think a question would be better served on another forum then as a community lets move it to the right place as opposed to just closing it.  Is that harder for you as moderators to accomplish due to system limitations?" CreationDate="2012-06-04T14:05:26.323" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6289" PostId="3345" Score="1" Text="It's hard due to politics. We do migrate somewhat frequently and it's easy to do... But there have been several discussion of late concerning the appropriate action." CreationDate="2012-06-04T14:10:37.017" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6291" PostId="3345" Score="0" Text="Ah, well that sucks. Seems like the best action to support the community as a whole would be to migrate. Thanks for clarifying, it certainly helps and I really do understand the various &quot;limitations&quot;. Thanks for doing what you do." CreationDate="2012-06-04T14:13:50.590" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6283" PostId="3346" Score="0" Text="I get that, but his question applies to a server environment in his post! He wants to disable the log for a SERVER, he should be able to do this regardless of the operating system that he uses. And again, why wasn't his question migrated. If people ask the wrong question for a certain community at least help them out with moving it to the right place." CreationDate="2012-06-04T13:00:34.953" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6286" PostId="3346" Score="5" Text="No, his Q was about XP when he posted it. He later changed it. I see his Q is now reopened." CreationDate="2012-06-04T13:05:47.460" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="6287" PostId="3346" Score="0" Text="When I said server I meant that he was trying to get Apache Server running, which is a server system, I was not referring to the OS. Again, I understand the position it just seems like you could see what he was getting at here and it feels like it falls under the guise of a server. Am I crazy?" CreationDate="2012-06-04T14:04:07.683" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6290" PostId="3346" Score="3" Text="@BrentPabst It's a combination of factors really, there's no one part of the question that stands out. It's a client OS, running software in violation of it's EULA; WAMP stacks are ugly hacks for developers who can't be bothered to learn *nix; he's not administering a network of computers, just a single one... That said, it was a salvageable question and we should have edited it into usable form instead of closing; that has been remedied; though the grumpy sysadmins have reared already..." CreationDate="2012-06-04T14:13:22.690" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6292" PostId="3346" Score="1" Text="Fair enough. Little harsh on the &quot;not bothered to learn&quot; though. We used to run Tomcat on Windows, worked great!" CreationDate="2012-06-04T14:27:30.667" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6284" PostId="3347" Score="0" Text="Yeah, that's why I remember there not being `Undo edit`. I assumed some kind of rollback occurred because of the addition to the title." CreationDate="2012-06-04T13:01:40.990" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="6298" PostId="3349" Score="1" Text="You're right, I think we should keep vmware-vcenter as the main." CreationDate="2012-06-05T08:50:41.327" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="6299" PostId="3350" Score="0" Text="I think you have a very good point. However, is it a non-issue if the system is inadvertently implementing a &quot;tyranny of the minority&quot; scenario?" CreationDate="2012-06-05T15:09:24.907" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="6300" PostId="3350" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/125/how-about-a-vote-not-to-close-option-to-counter-the-vote-to-close" CreationDate="2012-06-05T15:17:49.513" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="6312" PostId="3350" Score="0" Text="@Miles, &quot;tyranny of (by?) the minority&quot; is quite a serious issue but it's an altogether diferrent one to that being asked here. It's also a side effect of having a somewhat community run site (with occasional dictatorships by Stack Exchange staff). The number of votes needed has been discussed a number of times before, both here and MSO, but it has never changed. I do like the idea of the MSO question you linked to. Now *that* would provide useful data on which to base a conclusion. I'm also certain it would prevent a significant number of questions being closed or migrated." CreationDate="2012-06-05T23:59:58.650" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6301" PostId="3353" Score="7" Text="Blatant do my assignment for me questions downvote &amp; flag (or vote to close if you can). http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1265/user-seems-to-ask-only-homework-questions-is-this-a-problem-or-should-i-just-i" CreationDate="2012-06-05T16:05:48.893" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6307" PostId="3354" Score="0" Text="I agree this is the case for a lot of homework questions we see here, but I believe there are execeptions to the rule (which I've outlined in my answer below)" CreationDate="2012-06-05T20:41:27.840" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6313" PostId="3354" Score="0" Text="@mrdenny, despite what you say you've provided some very good answers to some very obvious homework questions, as indeed most high rep members have. :)" CreationDate="2012-06-06T00:05:38.050" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6303" PostId="3355" Score="3" Text="Thanks for the suggestion but I'm reluctant to do this as it may still be useful to other people." CreationDate="2012-06-05T19:06:40.833" UserId="21875" />
  <row Id="6306" PostId="3358" Score="1" Text="Wouldn't this be better asked on MSO ?" CreationDate="2012-06-05T20:37:01.387" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6309" PostId="3358" Score="0" Text="@Iain - Apparently the devs also check here. I got knuckle-wrapped for migrating these sorts of questions from msf to mso ;)" CreationDate="2012-06-05T22:14:32.913" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6310" PostId="3358" Score="0" Text="Sorry for not linking to the original question, it was 6am my time when I posted it!" CreationDate="2012-06-05T22:15:11.103" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10157" PostId="3358" Score="0" Text="Has this been sighted again since? If not, it might just have been a one-time event - possibly due to some data loss at imgur." CreationDate="2013-04-29T09:10:00.703" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="12153" PostId="3358" Score="0" Text="URL: http://serverfault.com/questions/265196/speed-up-microsoft-windows-dns-server  issue still occurs." CreationDate="2013-12-27T21:23:55.177" UserId="17429" />
  <row Id="6314" PostId="3359" Score="0" Text="Fair call Mark. When those rules are applied it's really no different to issues we face at work when we start with some previously unused technology. Of course without those rules they're just a waste of space." CreationDate="2012-06-06T00:09:16.237" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6317" PostId="3361" Score="0" Text="Hm - from following a link in those links , I see that this is part of the SO FAQ specifically. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7652/should-the-official-faq-include-information-on-how-to-answer-as-well-as-ask-ques" CreationDate="2012-06-06T13:56:33.897" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="6318" PostId="3361" Score="0" Text="http://stackoverflow.com/faq#deletion" CreationDate="2012-06-06T13:57:12.227" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="6319" PostId="3361" Score="0" Text="Reading fail on my part. Editing my question." CreationDate="2012-06-06T13:57:45.377" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="6316" PostId="3363" Score="0" Text="I wasn't part of the discussion last time, so I'm not aware of the history. Link? I'm not sure if I should look for that stuff on the SO meta or on this one." CreationDate="2012-06-06T13:54:42.120" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="6320" PostId="3363" Score="0" Text="Edited - It was already in the FAQ, but not visible without expanding a section" CreationDate="2012-06-06T14:01:02.313" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="6321" PostId="3363" Score="0" Text="@mfinni Re: the last FAQ rewrite, [see these search results](http://meta.serverfault.com/search?q=%22FAQ+rewrite%22&amp;submit=search)" CreationDate="2012-06-06T15:38:42.550" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6315" PostId="3364" Score="0" Text="John, probably the best explanation I have seen so far. I wasn't aware of the election process until I saw the thread on SO for next years mods.  Thanks for the simple answer." CreationDate="2012-06-06T12:23:30.777" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6322" PostId="3365" Score="3" Text="Not much help but, just enter the URL as serverfault.com/questions?page=1257 to jump to the page." CreationDate="2012-06-07T10:45:47.110" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="6323" PostId="3365" Score="2" Text="*Why* do you want to &quot;easily navigate to page 1257&quot;? Is there something special there? The page numbers are different for different people (depending on how many questions they show per page), and the contents of a given page change (as new questions come in). I'm having trouble envisioning why the feature would be useful..." CreationDate="2012-06-07T14:21:39.350" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6324" PostId="3365" Score="0" Text="Why don't you just use search?" CreationDate="2012-06-07T17:09:49.690" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="6326" PostId="3365" Score="0" Text="On my part, it's simply about easy site navigation. Say I'm looking to improve the site by looking for old question and maybe answering them, it's more fun to just drop in on a random page. There is nothing more special about 1257 than 782, it's only about easy access. And ofcourse, it would have to be view-specific.&#xA;&#xA;It's simply a suggestion. I don't frequently access page 1257, another reason this would be cool is because sometimes I like to just browse through the site, looking to learn. I could use the search function if I knew what I was looking for, but it's not always specific things." CreationDate="2012-06-08T06:17:53.740" UserId="117909" />
  <row Id="6325" PostId="3366" Score="2" Text="Yeah, broken here too.  Seems like they break when the set of &quot;real&quot; ads changes?" CreationDate="2012-06-08T04:26:06.697" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="6327" PostId="3367" Score="1" Text="Ah; if they're working no need to mess with it (SOV or otherwise). I know there's a couple campaigns that are on the blitz right now, so I imaging they'd displace the community ads for the most part. Just seems like they weren't working." CreationDate="2012-06-08T13:40:16.627" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6328" PostId="3368" Score="3" Text="Yes, yes... it's all Iain's fault!" CreationDate="2012-06-10T03:43:36.873" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6429" PostId="3368" Score="0" Text="Meh, I was never that taken by BOFH week as it was. I've reverted back to my normal kitty. Sorry!" CreationDate="2012-06-18T02:47:29.617" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6436" PostId="3368" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson Punishment will be swift and brutal." CreationDate="2012-06-19T04:16:40.160" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6446" PostId="3368" Score="0" Text="Another week? Hell, I'm keeping it permanently." CreationDate="2012-06-22T19:39:17.503" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="6330" PostId="3369" Score="1" Text="*Phew!* I'm lucky you didn't notice the fringe of reddishness I left on my ZOFH!" CreationDate="2012-06-10T05:22:49.480" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="6329" PostId="3370" Score="2" Text="Cats are the role models for BOsFH." CreationDate="2012-06-10T04:04:42.197" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="6331" PostId="3375" Score="4" Text="Don't forget to make it clear that the permissions are critical, which I suspect is the problem in most of those cases." CreationDate="2012-06-11T11:12:15.210" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6333" PostId="3376" Score="6" Text="Any answer should probably address the proper use of `ssh-agent` as well." CreationDate="2012-06-11T14:27:57.920" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10117" PostId="3376" Score="0" Text="IMHO if the problem is you can't SSH into a server, you don't know yet if it's a server problem or a user problem." CreationDate="2013-04-17T05:41:59.690" UserId="68259" />
  <row Id="6334" PostId="3381" Score="1" Text="Expect to be chewed out for not getting transparency and overlap perfect!" CreationDate="2012-06-11T23:26:26.363" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="6355" PostId="3381" Score="2" Text="I like it like that more, as it looks like a dial :)" CreationDate="2012-06-12T20:45:18.743" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11042" PostId="3387" Score="0" Text="&quot;Our previous specialist left, HALP?&quot; and &quot;How many users/servers/whatever should a SA be responsible for&quot; would most likely be too broad.  The 1st one doesn't specify what kind of specialist, and the 2nd is completely dependent on type of environment and who the SA is.  Just can't see either being canonical if they are mostly opinion." CreationDate="2013-07-25T18:14:05.733" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="6357" PostId="3389" Score="0" Text="They were good edits. Just the quantity attracted my attention, which then made me curious about the person behind them. No complaints. Just puzzled about the rep." CreationDate="2012-06-13T07:19:00.527" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6358" PostId="3390" Score="5" Text="OK, I'll put t down to yet another unannounced change to the way the site works. It seems we're expected to scour MSO regularly just to find out what's getting changed here. Am I the only one who sees the wrongness of that?" CreationDate="2012-06-13T07:21:03.847" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6359" PostId="3390" Score="3" Text="Yes, the 'documentation' leaves a lot to be desired ;) I jus scan the first link I gave every now and then then to see if anything major has happened." CreationDate="2012-06-13T07:36:10.877" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6360" PostId="3392" Score="0" Text="I have already flagged it to EE, but thought it only &quot;proper&quot; to inform SF as well. Thank you for replying so quickly." CreationDate="2012-06-13T08:54:29.767" UserId="54451" />
  <row Id="6380" PostId="3392" Score="0" Text="Set Google as your referrer and you'll get access - the easiest way is to do a Google search for the URL in question." CreationDate="2012-06-14T05:46:51.703" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="6400" PostId="3392" Score="0" Text="All user-generated content at SE is licensed under a &quot;Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.5 Generic License&quot; which explicitly requires attribution for copied content. Disregarding this requirement would result in a license violation. I have no idea if anybody is pursuing such &quot;small-scale&quot; CC license violations, but if EE allows for answer editing, adding the necessary attribution to the answer would be the easiest route to go. I do not know much about EE and the license the content is distributed under, but CC-SA also requires it to be under a license &quot;same or similar to this one&quot;." CreationDate="2012-06-15T12:52:41.277" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="6361" PostId="3393" Score="2" Text="Presumably, you're referring to [this question on SO](http://stackoverflow.com/q/10981902/372643). Note that SO and SF are different. In addition, downvotes don't come from moderators but from anyone with 125 reputation score or more (I think). I'm not sure what led these users to downvote the question, perhaps the fact that you hadn't realised it wasn't about bash but ksh, others seem to think it's off-topic too." CreationDate="2012-06-13T18:10:59.927" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="6362" PostId="3393" Score="1" Text="@JC - the trick is not to care about rep, you can get really bitter and tied up in it if you do, just concentrate on writing your question in a way that's answerable and serves more than just yourself if possible, then the rep will come to you and you'll increase the chance of getting the answer you want. Oh and we're not a forum by the way." CreationDate="2012-06-13T20:05:31.490" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="6363" PostId="3393" Score="0" Text="@Chopper3 I dont. Actually I tried my best to describe my problem and show that Ive done previous research in the topic (as the rules say), and I felt as if my question was &quot;stupid&quot; or &quot;worthless&quot; when I actually had a serious concern.&#xA;&#xA;But I'll keep that in mind, and thanks all of you for the time you took to answer. :)" CreationDate="2012-06-13T20:15:15.013" UserId="124052" />
  <row Id="6379" PostId="3393" Score="2" Text="Please don't refer to Stack Exchange sites as forums. The are Q&amp;A sites, whereas forums are discussion areas. The distinction is very important, as it determine much of how the sites work. I will admit however that Meta SF is a bit looser and we do tend to have discussions disguised as Qs and As." CreationDate="2012-06-14T04:04:15.543" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6383" PostId="3393" Score="0" Text="Whoa, so much fuzz for saying a word. Im not an english native speaker so I used the term forum, which at my english knowledge was the best I could use to describe the site. I apologize for any inconvenient or sentimental/psychological problems the word forum may have caused to you. Besides, I think @Chopper3 pointed that out for me." CreationDate="2012-06-14T18:05:30.863" UserId="124052" />
  <row Id="6415" PostId="3394" Score="1" Text="&quot;WHAT?! You've been reading forbidden literature as well?&quot;  -- http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/1995/bastard95-08.php" CreationDate="2012-06-17T02:16:05.543" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="6378" PostId="3395" Score="1" Text="Are developers IT pros? I personally don't think so and I say that from the perspective of one who has been code cutting for four decades and spends far more time programming than sysadmining. Sure they are vital to the IT industry but they are external to it, just like the people who make the components inside our computers. They are IT Pros no more than a CPU is a computer. I don't intend to demean the occupation of developer, merely put it into it's proper place *beside* (neither above nor below) IT Pros, not part of them." CreationDate="2012-06-14T03:59:24.770" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6381" PostId="3395" Score="0" Text="I'm with @JohnGardeniers on this. If your main job role or some proportion of it is to support business infrastructure and you are asking a question related to it then it's all good. If you are a user of that infrastructure then this isn't the place for you and that includes developers." CreationDate="2012-06-14T06:00:24.550" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6431" PostId="3395" Score="0" Text="As a developer who knew nothing about networking or system administration 4 months ago... &quot;only a Sith deals in absolutes&quot;. I try to make an effort to do my homework and phrase my questions in a way that benefits SF, and judging by the upvotes/downvotes I'm doing okay." CreationDate="2012-06-18T14:09:47.903" UserId="118522" />
  <row Id="6561" PostId="3395" Score="1" Text="If anyone needed an example of why developers are not a good fit for SF http://serverfault.com/questions/405963/failed-to-start-dhcp-server" CreationDate="2012-07-09T08:25:28.840" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6364" PostId="3396" Score="0" Text="So it's not so much about *who* is asking the question, but what the question is about? That does make sense, but I guess that means that &quot;Information Technology Professionals&quot; is really just anyone who is paid to support computery things, which can include developers who are also expected to manage some server / network things. It is what it is, I suppose." CreationDate="2012-06-13T21:22:41.447" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6365" PostId="3396" Score="0" Text="And as for people not reading the FAQ or ignoring it: It's not so much for *their* benefit as it would be for the benefit of those of us who *do* read and care about the FAQ and its effect on the culture and health of the site. At least we'd have something backing us up as we close / downvote the question. =)" CreationDate="2012-06-13T21:23:52.693" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6366" PostId="3396" Score="1" Text="It's most about who the question suggests is asking, rather than the technicalities of who is actually asking." CreationDate="2012-06-13T21:24:03.140" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6376" PostId="3396" Score="0" Text="+1 for that second paragraph, which sums up my sentiments as well." CreationDate="2012-06-14T03:45:26.393" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6367" PostId="3397" Score="3" Text="*Ohhh...* I like that &quot;must had privileges to fix the problem&quot; part. Then again, I know developers that have domain admin rights to multi-national corporations who think that `ipconfig /flushdns` is the first step to troubleshooting anything. =/ Moving on, Your first and second points would seem to rule out almost all dedicated developers from asking questions, which is fine by me given the last three years of experience with various levels of bad questions." CreationDate="2012-06-13T21:26:08.507" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6368" PostId="3397" Score="2" Text="I like your three-part test. A lot. This should be in the FAQ." CreationDate="2012-06-13T21:27:04.373" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="6369" PostId="3398" Score="3" Text="I woefully forget that the [meta-tag:faq] tag exists, mostly because wading through meta for answers is like diving into a pool of blood leaches and flukes to find a wad of septic phlegm." CreationDate="2012-06-13T21:28:43.480" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6372" PostId="3398" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid That's why we thoughtfully link to the FAQ tag from the FAQ itself!" CreationDate="2012-06-13T21:31:14.597" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="6374" PostId="3398" Score="1" Text="But meta in all forms is still septic phlegm, but that's a whole 'nother meta post. Wow, that's meta-meta." CreationDate="2012-06-13T21:34:04.643" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6386" PostId="3398" Score="0" Text="Accepted for thoroughness and the reminder that meta kind of *is* the FAQ." CreationDate="2012-06-14T22:43:35.293" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6371" PostId="3399" Score="1" Text="Good points. I value content over who the originator was every time, but often when someone lets slip that &quot;I'm not a sysadmin I just write web apps lol&quot; I think &quot;There is a base of knowledge that I now know you lack and I'm really not sure I want to type the extra forty-thousand characters into my answer to make up for that.&quot; =)" CreationDate="2012-06-13T21:30:55.677" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6373" PostId="3399" Score="1" Text="@WesleyDavid very true -- Sadly clueless developers and clueless &quot;sysadmins&quot; happen more often than clueful developers." CreationDate="2012-06-13T21:32:16.260" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6377" PostId="3399" Score="0" Text="I'm just wondering which particular developer you were referring to. It's clearly not one I've come across." CreationDate="2012-06-14T03:49:30.880" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6382" PostId="3399" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers generic $_DEVELOPER object -- I've come across a few clueful ones in the past (critically the best sysadmins tend to have development experience from a past life, and the best developers tend to have sysadmin experience from a past life...)" CreationDate="2012-06-14T14:52:57.967" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6384" PostId="3402" Score="0" Text="I'm doing my best to clean it up but I have to go to work now, I'll pick it up later today if I can." CreationDate="2012-06-14T21:12:14.307" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6385" PostId="3402" Score="0" Text="Ok, it's all cleaned up. Let's see if it stays this way." CreationDate="2012-06-14T22:00:53.683" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6389" PostId="3402" Score="1" Text="That &quot;question&quot; is such a mess, even after your cleanup, that I don't believe it serves any useful purpose at all. It just attracts a lot of people who haven't bothered to read the FAQ." CreationDate="2012-06-15T00:40:52.793" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6395" PostId="3402" Score="2" Text="Vote to close, anyone?" CreationDate="2012-06-15T02:28:01.833" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="6404" PostId="3402" Score="0" Text="I think it should be kept open. If an answer is found, it could be valuable." CreationDate="2012-06-15T15:42:51.563" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="6409" PostId="3402" Score="0" Text="If an answer is found it will be lost amongst all that crap and would therefore be worthless." CreationDate="2012-06-16T11:18:34.720" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6430" PostId="3402" Score="0" Text="I'll protect the question to try and cut down the &quot;I found this on google and, me too&quot; stuff so that Mark's tidy up doesn't need to be done again. I want to be 'inclusive' of questions like this but I do wonder if it's possible to find an answer, given the mess." CreationDate="2012-06-18T11:46:08.143" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6438" PostId="3402" Score="0" Text="I think it's hard to read that question now. It's a very important topic for a couple website owners because it's causing problems to host the website or at least result in higher monthly costs (in my case ~$5.000)" CreationDate="2012-06-19T08:16:11.047" UserId="114293" />
  <row Id="6439" PostId="3402" Score="3" Text="@user114293 it *is* hard to read that question now, yes. Part of the problem, with all respect, is that it's always been hard to read the question because essentially you posted a comment about something you'd seen in your logs and essentially asked &quot;has anyone else seen this&quot;. Not trying to be funny here but that's not a great start for a question. We all understand that this is an important issue which is why we're trying to protect the question and help it fit into our structure rather than just close it." CreationDate="2012-06-19T09:28:01.253" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6442" PostId="3402" Score="0" Text="@DJPon3 With no respect and I'm trying to be funny :) I agree the original question was quite open and didn't expect a single answer. I just didn't know that serverfault has a problem with that. I now changed my question accordingly." CreationDate="2012-06-20T09:43:45.380" UserId="114293" />
  <row Id="6445" PostId="3402" Score="0" Text="@serverfault: I'm pretty sure your domains get hit by this bot quite heavily. I'm sure you have an interest to solve that issue as well :)" CreationDate="2012-06-22T11:02:31.237" UserId="114293" />
  <row Id="6498" PostId="3402" Score="0" Text="Why don't we get rid of that &quot;question&quot; and if someone thinks it's important enough they can post a new question, properly worded *as* a question this time." CreationDate="2012-06-28T06:00:50.777" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6387" PostId="3403" Score="3" Text="The correct answer is of course not to answer poopy questions ;)" CreationDate="2012-06-15T00:20:25.087" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6388" PostId="3403" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson Does the poop rub off?" CreationDate="2012-06-15T00:35:43.970" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="6390" PostId="3405" Score="1" Text="Agree. There's a lot of them there, so we'll have to change them over a few hours so they dont flood the front page" CreationDate="2012-06-15T00:59:51.950" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6391" PostId="3405" Score="1" Text="In fact, most of them are closed anyway" CreationDate="2012-06-15T01:00:05.583" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6394" PostId="3405" Score="2" Text="***STAB STAB STAB***" CreationDate="2012-06-15T01:47:18.343" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6401" PostId="3405" Score="3" Text="That, and we likely have very few lawyers here anyway. Dispensing legal advice can be a Very Bad Thing." CreationDate="2012-06-15T12:53:33.257" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="6406" PostId="3405" Score="3" Text="And even if we were all lawyers, such advise would still be too localised." CreationDate="2012-06-15T23:13:37.750" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6392" PostId="3406" Score="1" Text="But, but, the [Analyitcal](http://serverfault.com/badges/158/analytical) badge!" CreationDate="2012-06-15T01:10:01.340" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="6393" PostId="3406" Score="3" Text="@jscott We all know this: *You can bring a user to the documentation, but you can't make them read it*." CreationDate="2012-06-15T01:34:17.027" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="6396" PostId="3406" Score="0" Text="Ehh, it's in there, but it's ambiguous at best :-P" CreationDate="2012-06-15T02:46:21.233" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="6397" PostId="3407" Score="1" Text="I believe that XHR's argument is flawed. Asking about T1 is not too localised, because it's a question about a *standard*, not a *location*. If you're using T1, it doesn't matter where in the world you are, you're still using it. Ditto with SONET and SDH. Their usage happens to be clustered with one geographical area; but that's just co-incidence." CreationDate="2012-06-15T04:40:07.483" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6399" PostId="3407" Score="6" Text="(additionally, I've only ever seen ops complain about &quot;too localised&quot; when they're from the USA. I don't want to draw stereotypes, but people from other countries don't seem to be that concerned about it)" CreationDate="2012-06-15T04:45:02.640" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6402" PostId="3407" Score="0" Text="Just want to note that the counter-argument listed here was actually raised by rnxrx and not myself. Regarding this issue, I don't necessarily disagree with Mark. The question could be reworded to ask something regarding how WiFi power is measured/advertised on a device but I only would know that in hindsight from rnxrx's answer. Thus, while I now agree the &quot;is this legal&quot; question does not match well with what is expected on this site, I can't buy that the information provided is &quot;unlikely to help any future visitors&quot;." CreationDate="2012-06-15T13:35:57.557" UserId="22776" />
  <row Id="6403" PostId="3407" Score="3" Text="The T1 standard is localized - practically speaking to the same extent as FCC wifi regulations.  As to stereotypes - the derisive tone of the comments on that question about certain places claiming to be the &quot;center of the universe&quot; pretty much speaks to judgement of a question based more on issues with these other ops than of the question itself..." CreationDate="2012-06-15T13:38:14.123" UserId="121497" />
  <row Id="6405" PostId="3407" Score="0" Text="Yikes, yes I attributed the quote to the wrong person. Fixed!" CreationDate="2012-06-15T17:35:35.380" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6407" PostId="3407" Score="0" Text="@mxrx, I see no derisive comments on that question. You're reading into them only what you want to read. It seems to me that we've hit a nerve by daring to remind people that this is a large planet with a couple hundred countries, not just one. If that offends you then so be it. You'll get no apologies from me." CreationDate="2012-06-16T07:28:45.927" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6410" PostId="3407" Score="0" Text="@John Gardiniers - What I found objectionable was the comment that &quot;If it's only applicable in one country, no matter how big the country is, or if the country is at the center of the universe, too bad.&quot;  This seems to be more of a (somewhat petulant) social/political commentary than anything constructive.  I'm personally fine if people want to ask- and answer- questions specific to a particular country, especially when the underlying issue is one of internetworking, and if mods have shut down non-US questions in the past on similar grounds I think that was equally mistaken." CreationDate="2012-06-16T17:24:12.530" UserId="121497" />
  <row Id="6416" PostId="3407" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers The nerve that was hit for my self was that the potential usefulness of ServerFault was unexpectedly scoped to what I believe is an unrealistically narrow definition. Suddenly 20% of the world's population in one of the fastest growing countries (both population-wise and technology-wise) have the potential to be barred from asking pertinent questions about country-specific infrastructure and misc. technology issues. (Speaking, of course, of China) Certainly we don't have a ton of Chinese participation yet, but the principle remains the same for India, Indonesia, and etc." CreationDate="2012-06-17T02:46:07.347" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6437" PostId="3407" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Oh, and sorry for misspelling your name. I just now noticed that. &gt;_&lt;" CreationDate="2012-06-19T04:17:38.583" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6440" PostId="3407" Score="0" Text="No worries. I've had a lifetime of seeing my name misspelled, as well as hearing it mis-pronounced." CreationDate="2012-06-19T14:11:03.730" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6408" PostId="3408" Score="0" Text="If this is correct then why have we already closed so many questions as too local simply because they applied to only one country?" CreationDate="2012-06-16T11:15:43.320" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6412" PostId="3408" Score="0" Text="I don't *think* I've done that myself @JohnGardeniers but I might close a question with that as a factor - for example, part of the reason why 'can you help me with my licence question' type questions *are* targets for 'too local' is because they vary from country to country AND business sector to business sector AND type of licence purchased AND when they purchased it..." CreationDate="2012-06-16T18:50:23.497" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6413" PostId="3408" Score="1" Text="The important thing to remember is that these are guidelines anyways. So there is no exact square footage where all questions must be closed. Good judgment should work most of the time, if it is borderline, then judge the general quality of the content. In other words if something might seem narrow but is on topic and good quality then it probably doesn't need to be closed." CreationDate="2012-06-16T22:07:21.390" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="6417" PostId="3408" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers and Kyle, It seems that questions closed for the sole reason of being local to one country have been in error all along. I cite both [Joel's meta post here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4818/what-questions-should-be-closed-with-reason-too-localized/87415#87415) as well as an old podcast where this topic came up. We *have* been known to be wrong for long periods of time. Witness our early tolerance of shopping questions and rather chatty, opinionated CWs for a good year or more of ServerFault's beginning." CreationDate="2012-06-17T02:48:31.680" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6422" PostId="3408" Score="1" Text="IMO, &quot;too localized&quot; refers to issues that cannot ever reasonably be useful to a significant number of people.  &quot;Too localized&quot; to the question-asker, not &quot;too localized&quot; to a specific geographic region." CreationDate="2012-06-17T04:03:24.220" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="6484" PostId="3409" Score="0" Text="Are you familiar with the term &quot;long tail&quot;? I think the same principle can be applied here, meaning that the inclusion of, lets call them &quot;narrow audience topics&quot; will in fact make the site useful to a broader audience than restricting questions to universal mainstream topics." CreationDate="2012-06-26T21:53:21.633" UserId="22153" />
  <row Id="6493" PostId="3409" Score="0" Text="What if it applies to two countries?" CreationDate="2012-06-27T16:44:23.990" UserId="97740" />
  <row Id="6494" PostId="3409" Score="0" Text="@SamuelEdwinWard How about two city-states, a commonwealth and an island nation?" CreationDate="2012-06-27T17:35:30.970" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6495" PostId="3409" Score="0" Text="What if it only applies in international waters?  That's most of the world, right?" CreationDate="2012-06-27T17:39:44.793" UserId="97740" />
  <row Id="6414" PostId="3410" Score="0" Text="What can I say-- fractals make me happy!  Thanks for the shout out. It was really time to drop the Choppertar. Now I just need to come up with one before BOFH &quot;week&quot; ends." CreationDate="2012-06-17T02:14:30.787" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="6411" PostId="3414" Score="0" Text="And perhaps that was incorrect?  A question was asked recently about options for local connectivity in Australia for a WAN connection coming from the UK.  The question pertained not only to Australia, but to specific market conditions in a specific city in Australia.  The question- and answer- were (rightly, IMO) well-rated even though the entire issue pretty much perfectly matches the description you're quoting above." CreationDate="2012-06-16T17:32:33.410" UserId="121497" />
  <row Id="6418" PostId="3414" Score="2" Text="It's not apparent or even terribly logical that the phrase &quot;only relevant to a small geographic area&quot; includes both city-state Monaco and hulking juggernaut Russia alike. Taking the phrase at face value, and using the total land surface area of the globe, it wouldn't seem that discounting countries is within that phrase's intent. Pulling back and seeing the spirit of ServerFault's community intent expressed in the FAQ and meta posts seems to further the notion that there is a lot of validity to including country-specific issues. (Continued...)" CreationDate="2012-06-17T02:53:13.780" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6419" PostId="3414" Score="0" Text="I'll cite [Joel's meta post again](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4818/what-questions-should-be-closed-with-reason-too-localized/87415#87415) that even singles out the country of Turkey as being within scope." CreationDate="2012-06-17T02:53:26.747" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6420" PostId="3414" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid, I can't recall ever agreeing with Joel on anything else and I see no reason to start now. I'll go along with majority opinion on this but not if the only reason is because Joel said so. We still have the fact that questions have been closed because they related to only a single country." CreationDate="2012-06-17T03:58:38.253" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6423" PostId="3414" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers I *hope* we don't go along with this just because Joel says so. Our past actions of closing questions *solely* based on it being scoped to a single country seem completely at odds with StackExchange's stated intent through FAQs, meta discussions, podcasts, and etc. Just like was our tolerance of product recommendations and chatty &quot;What's your favorite server name!&quot; style discussions for the first year or so. Although, I perceive that we are far less consistent with closing Qs based on geographic region than we were with allowing shopping Qs earlier." CreationDate="2012-06-17T04:07:28.417" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6425" PostId="3414" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid, that inconsistency has always bothered me. I don't care to get into an argument about it but Marks' comments to the question greatly understate the issue as seen by those outside the USA." CreationDate="2012-06-17T04:12:54.477" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6426" PostId="3414" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers We Merry Cans do tend to be self-centered, but I personally would have been concerned about this topic of country-scope regardless of the original question being from the USA or not. I never felt that the question being on USA standards made it more important than if it had been Japanese (who's wifi standards cut across virtually every other nation's), of some European origin or elsewhere in the world. Japan's 120+ mil people would seem to be a large enough population to make it of use to the site and future visitors." CreationDate="2012-06-17T04:18:13.380" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6427" PostId="3414" Score="1" Text="Then again the &quot;Too Localized&quot; VTC guidance says &quot;...or an extraordinarily narrow situation that is not generally applicable to the worldwide audience of the internet.&quot; And yet, every other evidence from the FAQ or meta seem to play down the focus of the need to appeal to the &quot;worldwide audience of the internet&quot; or at least make the raw population of a country a factor in deciding if it's worthwhile or not." CreationDate="2012-06-17T04:19:51.380" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6428" PostId="3414" Score="1" Text="As we get into such an excruciatingly minute focus on individual words and linguistic intent I can't help but wonder if this is what it feels like to be a translator for a ancient, dead language. =)" CreationDate="2012-06-17T04:20:58.167" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6481" PostId="3414" Score="0" Text="Would a question that was about getting a new IP range from ARIN be &quot;too localised&quot; because it didn't address RIPE or APNIC policy?  I should hope not, though RIPE/APNIC answers would be acceptable - and should be sought, frankly." CreationDate="2012-06-26T15:59:17.780" UserId="247" />
  <row Id="6421" PostId="3416" Score="1" Text="We're still left with the fact that the question wasn't about WiFi at all. It was a question specifically about legality which just happened to have a WiFi context. I did toss up whether to vote OT or TL and just happened to choose the latter." CreationDate="2012-06-17T04:00:33.853" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6424" PostId="3416" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers The legality part of the question was totally inappropriate for the site and doomed it from the get-go. I tried to steer the conversation of this meta-topic away from that part, and specifically focus on the USA-specific part. Regardless, it seemed that the focus turned away from legality and more to the regional nature of it. I suppose we could substitute this wifi question with another question that was good in all other aspects except for its focus on a single country." CreationDate="2012-06-17T04:10:15.887" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6441" PostId="3416" Score="0" Text="If that question had referred to to say China or India it would have been closed a lot quicker and if it was closed as Off Topic nobody would have raised an eyebrow." CreationDate="2012-06-19T14:14:18.267" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6443" PostId="3417" Score="0" Text="Get your own idiom!" CreationDate="2012-06-20T12:46:55.390" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="6434" PostId="3418" Score="0" Text="I still can't figure out what you want.  As for writting hints see my answer here. http://meta.serverfault.com/a/2178/984" CreationDate="2012-06-18T15:25:29.490" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="6435" PostId="3418" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache: Thanks, I read your post on better writing and attempt to make use of it too. As for the answer, maybe this will help. The common answer to this problem is to &quot;go blackhat&quot; and figure out a way to hide that I'm the same system accessing the API. I'm not trying to hide anything, and believe each client should be have their API access tied to them. Only solution I've thought of is to have each client install a proxy on their network to limit API based on their usage." CreationDate="2012-06-18T15:31:40.993" UserId="56661" />
  <row Id="6432" PostId="3419" Score="0" Text="+1 @Chris S: Thanks for the feedback. You're correct, in my attempt to be open to possible suggestions to the problem, it appears I did turn it into a polling question; which is bad. As for what I'm getting at, basically I want my limits/usage tied to their networks, not mine. Having them install a proxy seems like the only solution, but also seems complex and difficult to get done. Guessing this is not a problem unique to me, but attempting to avoid grey/black hat approaches to the problem." CreationDate="2012-06-18T15:19:28.360" UserId="56661" />
  <row Id="6433" PostId="3419" Score="0" Text="As for my writing, I'm pretty much self-taught, and have yet to figure out a way to greatly increase the effectiveness of my written communications; in fact, part of the reason I use SE is to practice." CreationDate="2012-06-18T15:19:44.990" UserId="56661" />
  <row Id="6450" PostId="3424" Score="1" Text="I think you have to have asked a minimum of 4 questions too." CreationDate="2012-06-24T12:28:20.450" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6452" PostId="3424" Score="2" Text="It also means you are a good human being, and when the zombie apocalypse comes you will be eaten last :-)" CreationDate="2012-06-25T14:27:49.443" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6454" PostId="3425" Score="13" Text="Personal pet peeve of mine is when someone says they're running a &quot;cpanel server&quot;. No, you're not. You're running a Linux server that happens to have cpanel installed." CreationDate="2012-06-25T18:15:41.383" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="6455" PostId="3425" Score="0" Text="Case in point, see the edit history of this question. http://serverfault.com/questions/392414/need-to-rotate-permissions-to-access-usvn-web-and-svn-repository#comment407017_392414" CreationDate="2012-06-25T18:18:09.040" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="6456" PostId="3425" Score="0" Text="I don't think you should discount volunteering carte blanche as off topic. I do plenty of volunteer work for a couple of charities, and I'd expect questions about those environments to be on topic here." CreationDate="2012-06-25T18:31:07.110" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="6457" PostId="3425" Score="0" Text="I don't disagree, I'm suggesting it works the other way - people asking about cPanel are likely to be non-professional, I'm not suggesting volunteers always ask non-professional questions.  I just know a lot of semi-IT literate friends who end up 'helping someone out' with a website end up with cPanel hosting (drives me insane, I hate it)." CreationDate="2012-06-25T18:32:04.710" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6458" PostId="3425" Score="0" Text="Ahh, got it. Yes, that makes sense." CreationDate="2012-06-25T18:33:28.420" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="6459" PostId="3425" Score="3" Text="&quot;You're running a Linux server that happens to have cpanel installed.&quot; No, you're running a GNU/Linux server :-) Linux is not just the kernel, but also include the GNU tools that make it actually work." CreationDate="2012-06-25T20:29:25.743" UserId="106102" />
  <row Id="6464" PostId="3425" Score="10" Text="I'm pretty sure ErikA and everyone else who answered here knows that Linux is just the kernel.  ErikA's comment is about a fundamental misunderstanding some people have, yours is just a nit-pick." CreationDate="2012-06-25T20:47:09.390" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="6471" PostId="3425" Score="5" Text="'Consumer grade' is exactly it - if you're using cPanel, you're probably not actually running the server." CreationDate="2012-06-26T03:33:11.677" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="6477" PostId="3425" Score="3" Text="One point I think people might be missing is what if the admin has to maintain cpanel for a web host for users to use not as a tool for the admins." CreationDate="2012-06-26T14:25:42.723" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="6478" PostId="3425" Score="1" Text="That was the second part of my first sentence, &quot;rather than provide cPanel?&quot;  i.e. IT Professionals might certainly install cPanel on a server they support, so that other people can use cPanel to manage their own hosting on that server, but an IT Professional probably wouldn't be using cPanel to manage a server in its own right." CreationDate="2012-06-26T14:27:05.717" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6489" PostId="3425" Score="0" Text="Depressing case in point,&#xD;&#xA;&#xD;&#xA;http://serverfault.com/questions/402635/which-ip-should-i-use-for-my-nameserver" CreationDate="2012-06-27T09:56:43.470" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6514" PostId="3425" Score="1" Text="@ErikA: more likely than not, you're running Apache server or a Django application server or a MySQL database server. Linux is not a server, it's a kernel, some would stretch it to use the term to refer to the OS, but it's definitely too much of a stretch to call Linux the server, strictly speaking." CreationDate="2012-07-01T07:16:33.620" UserId="55408" />
  <row Id="6523" PostId="3425" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure if they are on or off topic, but personally I'd be tempted to post cpanel related questions elsewhere (webmasters.stackexchange.com)? Please don't assume that anyone who uses cpanel is not a professional admin, as I'm sure there are *many* small companies that host their web site on systems that have cpanel, that employ or use the services of professional systems administrators." CreationDate="2012-07-02T22:19:49.420" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="6524" PostId="3425" Score="0" Text="@Bryan I think the reality is that many small companies who host their web sites on systems that use cPanel have them supported by the web developer who wrote them.  However, I'll re-iterate, the driver for my query is the low quality of nearly all cPanel questions on SF.  I almost spent a couple of hours today cataloguing exactly how bad it was before I realised that would have been a monumental waste of my time." CreationDate="2012-07-02T23:14:48.037" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6462" PostId="3427" Score="2" Text="Agreed, they're often crap, particularly the DNS questions, where the person asking seems to have no idea of how DNS works.  Sometimes they're NARQ, sometimes OT, but often they're crap." CreationDate="2012-06-25T20:45:18.457" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="6460" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="There's probably a Linux/CLI culture element in this. cPanel may just be a tool for people who prefer to click, without making them &quot;inferior&quot; :-) Pushed to the extreme, in the Windows world, you could say &quot;If you are limiting yourself to just&quot;what can be done from within Control Panel/MMC you're no longer a sysadmin, you're an application user&quot;. (That's true in a number of cases, except that cPanel is server-oriented, not quite the same domain as the average user's Windows Control Panel.)" CreationDate="2012-06-25T20:37:37.017" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="6466" PostId="3428" Score="4" Text="I think it's different - if people want a GUI for administering their Linux server don't they just install webmin and get it over with?  With Windows, you have all that stuff by default, I don't know any Professional IT staff who install cPanel to make administering their Linux server easier?" CreationDate="2012-06-25T20:50:00.603" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6468" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="@EightBitTony Not everyone can choose what tools they want to install and which resources are available to them. I wouldn't use cPanel myself, when possible, I'm just saying that cPanel questions are not necessarily off-topic. Some places have requirements for which cPanel may be sufficient (or maybe not, but that could be the subject of a question), and the purpose of cPanel is clearly about sysadmin topics, which may well be done in a professional capacity." CreationDate="2012-06-25T21:15:22.360" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="6469" PostId="3428" Score="3" Text="@Bruno The key distinction is that it *is* possible to perform all &quot;normal admin tasks&quot; through GUI tools on Windows - the GUI exists to help you get to those tools. It ***is not*** possible to perform even some common admin tasks exclusively within cPanel - the GUI doesn't expose the tools necessary. (It would be more like trying to manage a windows server from, for instance, just the AD MMC snap-in)." CreationDate="2012-06-25T23:09:45.820" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6470" PostId="3428" Score="1" Text="I will however admit to a STRONG anti-cPanel bias - In my experience people who rely on it tend to be poor sysadmins whose thinking is constrained by what cPanel exposes and where they can click. I've seen it used too often as a crutch for the inept to give it serious weight as a tool for the competent." CreationDate="2012-06-25T23:11:05.603" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6473" PostId="3428" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7, I realise there is a bias against it here (and I'm not a big fan myself). However, I'd rather see cPanel questions closed as NARQ or NC if applicable, rather than on the basis that they're about cPanel (OT). The purpose of cPanel is clearly to provide basic access to a (limited) number of sysadmin tasks. In comparison, a question about router admin (for example) via its web interface (even if full access is only via CLI) could clearly be on topic. Rather than aiming at a particular product, downvotes and NARQ/NC closure reasons are perfectly good tools to deal with bad questions." CreationDate="2012-06-26T09:53:36.077" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="6479" PostId="3428" Score="2" Text="@Bruno I agree - In fact I said this in my answer. A question should **not** be closed simply because it mentions cPanel, it should be closed because it is crap for other reasons.  Mentioning cPanel is just a marker for crap, like &quot;I was editing `/etc/hosts` in `nano` and now nothing resolves&quot;..." CreationDate="2012-06-26T14:40:28.170" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6496" PostId="3428" Score="2" Text="Feature Request: Whenever someone tags their Question with cPanel, it hides the question from everyone except the author." CreationDate="2012-06-27T18:24:34.737" UserId="52589" />
  <row Id="6515" PostId="3428" Score="1" Text="@Safado: Feature Request closed as invalid, add cpanel to your Ignored Tags and user CSS to `.ignored-tags { display: none; }`" CreationDate="2012-07-01T07:22:34.487" UserId="55408" />
  <row Id="6527" PostId="3428" Score="1" Text="@EightBitTony, I find it astonishing that you would condemn all cpanel questions and then turn around and actually suggest people us Webmin, which is the worst of the worst in cpanels." CreationDate="2012-07-03T00:56:53.777" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6528" PostId="3428" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers cPanel is primarily focused on web hosting, it's branched out over the years, but that's where it started.  I don't use webmin, and can't stand it, but my point was that if you want a GUI to administer a UNIX server, webmin is more generic than cPanel, it's free (cPanel isn't).  cPanel isn't generic enough to be a real server admin tool (no support for Samba, AFAIK, for example).  I wasn't supporting webmin, just putting an other nail into the 'cPanel is a general server GUI admin tool' argument." CreationDate="2012-07-03T08:02:27.320" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6530" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="I inherited a CPanel / Plesk disaster. What a shock! Just give me a command line to do what needs to be done. CPanel questions are not off topic. There exist CLI admins lost in clicks." CreationDate="2012-07-04T14:37:12.427" UserId="25640" />
  <row Id="22640" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Yes. Let's consider `nano` a marker for crap too." CreationDate="2019-03-03T10:33:11.117" UserId="51691" />
  <row Id="6461" PostId="3429" Score="4" Text="The vast majority of those questions have 2 or fewer votes, and many, many of them have 0 or fewer votes (on the questions, not even considering the answers).  I think the question here is, how many people 'manage computer systems in a professional capacity' using cPanel?  In my experience, it's used almost exclusively by web hosting resellers and people who've bought consumer grade / small business hosting, and who *use* it rather than administer the system on which it sits?" CreationDate="2012-06-25T20:40:11.490" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6463" PostId="3429" Score="1" Text="@EightBitTony. If the questions are inherently bad (&quot;Typos and bad grammar are normal and there is often loads of irrelevant information and none of the relevant stuff&quot; as Ladadadada says), they should just be closed as &quot;not constructive&quot; or &quot;not a real question&quot; (when appropriate). I'm just saying that not everyone administers supercomputers or large clusters. I'd argue that even small business hosting can be on-topic. If they &quot;manage computer systems in a professional capacity&quot; using cPanel, fair enough; that's not what I would use, but that doesn't make it off-topic." CreationDate="2012-06-25T20:46:17.530" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="6465" PostId="3429" Score="5" Text="You're not administering a server with cPanel, you're interacting with a web hosting application.  I see it pretty clear cut at that level, I appreciate some might not agree with me.  But just so we're clear where I stand." CreationDate="2012-06-25T20:48:46.267" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6467" PostId="3429" Score="2" Text="@EightBitTony, I don't think it's a clear cut. If you look at [their demo](http://cpanel.net/demo/), even the simple &quot;domain owner&quot; interface talks about SSH access, FTP, DNS MX entry, SSL config, cron jobs, DNS zones edition, MySQL/PostgreSQL admin, Apache handlers. Even if it's a simplified interface that doesn't give you full control, all these topics are in the realm of system administration (and not solely &quot;web&quot;). Some answers may require expertise from sysadmins who would know how to perform these tasks without cPanel." CreationDate="2012-06-25T21:00:05.667" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="6472" PostId="3429" Score="2" Text="When you look at it in real number terms 486/117565 it's not as many as you make it appear." CreationDate="2012-06-26T06:41:24.763" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6474" PostId="3429" Score="6" Text="*I don't think it's a clear cut.* - I think its very clear cut. As a system admin, cPanel is an application you install to allow customers (and maybe customer service agents) to administer their slice of a hosted service offering. It's not a tool you'd install to use to administer the server yourself by choice. The only area I think it's possibly on topic on is a sysadmin who's asking for help with getting cPanel to work." CreationDate="2012-06-26T10:18:29.133" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6475" PostId="3430" Score="4" Text="A fair point. For me, having read your reply here, a better question than &quot;Does it meet some narrow definition of 'on topic' or not&quot; might be &quot;where can people get good answers to their cPanel questions?&quot;. Clearly the answer to the first question might well be &quot;yes, sometimes it is on topic&quot; but **if** the answer to the second question is *always* going to be &quot;not here&quot; then its something of a moot point." CreationDate="2012-06-26T13:35:26.027" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6476" PostId="3430" Score="0" Text="For me, it seems that questions like that ought to have a home on webmasters.se but then its never been entirely clear to me what they do over there so I could be wrong." CreationDate="2012-06-26T14:19:52.337" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6480" PostId="3430" Score="4" Text="I don't think such questions would be off-topic here, provided that (a) you tell us enough about what you intend to do that we can figure it out and help you, and (b) if the answer is &quot;You have to step outside of cPanel&quot; you are both willing and able to do so.  Again, for me it's the distinction between a &quot;cPanel application user&quot; and a &quot;system administrator who is in charge of a server that happens to run cPanel&quot;" CreationDate="2012-06-26T14:50:43.887" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6490" PostId="3430" Score="0" Text="@DJPon3 That's an excellent point." CreationDate="2012-06-27T14:31:26.613" UserId="72623" />
  <row Id="6491" PostId="3430" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 On (b), I'd agree providing that it's clear that you really *have* to step outside cPanel (similar to: try to install software using the package-manager before Just Compiling Your Own). I guess I'm hoping that the community can avoid a slightly-sneery attitude leaning towards &quot;Here's how you do it *properly*, not with cPanel&quot;." CreationDate="2012-06-27T14:36:20.070" UserId="72623" />
  <row Id="6485" PostId="3434" Score="1" Text="I do this, frequently. Never had any mods correct me." CreationDate="2012-06-27T01:00:43.107" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="6486" PostId="3434" Score="7" Text="Make sure you remove any URL shorteners you run across too. =]" CreationDate="2012-06-27T01:52:45.943" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6487" PostId="3434" Score="4" Text="That isn't a great example as it's effectively [link and run](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3360/add-entry-to-faq-to-discourage-link-and-run) which we also discourage." CreationDate="2012-06-27T06:19:43.457" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6488" PostId="3434" Score="0" Text="@Iain Agreed; it just happened to be the one I was looking at when I thought I should ask about this :-)" CreationDate="2012-06-27T06:21:12.667" UserId="115189" />
  <row Id="6492" PostId="3435" Score="3" Text="I would only add please don't fix old questions unless they're particularly awful links (or particularly good questions) -- Edits still bump questions to the front page..." CreationDate="2012-06-27T14:38:57.447" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6499" PostId="3435" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Old questions are still read by people. Why are new questions more important than old ones? And why is bumping to the front page a bad thing if you don't do it to a lot of posts at once?" CreationDate="2012-06-28T08:26:12.313" UserId="7906" />
  <row Id="6500" PostId="3435" Score="0" Text="@svick A lot of old questions don't generate the views that warrant much effort in fixing them - at least in my opinion. Of course if you have a 100+ views/day question fixing it is a Good Thing, but something that gets viewed once or twice a month and is otherwise excellent except for an ugly URL can probably be left alone. (URL shorteners are a different matter - kill these with fire so when bit.ly shuts down we don't lose our links :)" CreationDate="2012-06-28T12:58:19.310" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6501" PostId="3435" Score="1" Text="@svick Note also that my problem is not with fixing the old question as long as it's done in moderation, I'd just prefer not to see a *lot* of old questions pushing new ones down -- While not quite as high as Stack Overflow our question volume is such that the lower down the list of new questions you are the less likely you are to get a timely answer..." CreationDate="2012-06-28T13:00:19.370" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6506" PostId="3435" Score="0" Text="Exactly @voretaq7, the older posts going to the top just degrades the signal-noise ratio and encourages silly resurrections of old posts, that is the non-observant poster answering questions from 4 years ago. ;-)" CreationDate="2012-06-28T17:17:33.230" UserId="62049" />
  <row Id="6507" PostId="3435" Score="1" Text="@svick, maybe the solution is altering the front page algorithm to only look at substantive changes." CreationDate="2012-06-28T17:19:12.963" UserId="62049" />
  <row Id="6508" PostId="3435" Score="0" Text="@Somantra Accurately detecting &quot;substantive&quot; is an NP-Complete (or at least NP-Hard) problem, but I'm sure as soon as the Stack Exchange developers master natural language processing and the heuristic algorithms to detect substantive changes they'll implement them :-) (The usual alternative of &quot;% changed&quot; breaks on posts with awful spelling/grammar: I could have a 30-50% delta but have made zero substantive changes)" CreationDate="2012-06-28T17:22:16.210" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6509" PostId="3435" Score="2" Text="@voretaq7, in the absence of SE natural language mastery, a self-reported non-substantive edit disposition might do the trick. :-)" CreationDate="2012-06-28T17:28:10.033" UserId="62049" />
  <row Id="6512" PostId="3435" Score="0" Text="@Somantra My former life as a software developer has lead me to never trust users. ***ESPECIALLY*** when I'm the user... now if you'll excuse me there's a [jolly red candy like button](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jjN-H62U64) that I simply *MUST* press :-D" CreationDate="2012-06-29T12:53:21.523" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6579" PostId="3435" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 So you trust the users enough to make any edit to any post (after they earned it), but you don't trust them to report whether the edit was minor or not?" CreationDate="2012-07-10T18:55:02.463" UserId="7906" />
  <row Id="6497" PostId="3436" Score="3" Text="I personally would never approve an edit that contains &quot;lol&quot;, no matter who wrote it, and I would definitely never approve on that contained stuff we normally edit out, such as &quot;hi&quot; and &quot;thank you&quot;." CreationDate="2012-06-28T05:49:36.470" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6502" PostId="3441" Score="0" Text="I will accept this answer as soon as the system allows me to :) I did not know that." CreationDate="2012-06-28T13:12:59.173" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="6503" PostId="3441" Score="3" Text="Mods don't need a negative score although that helps in the justification." CreationDate="2012-06-28T13:19:03.930" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6504" PostId="3441" Score="2" Text="It really does help in the justification. Unless it's in my strong areas, I don't like hammering answers without at least one other person saying &quot;do that&quot;. That whole err on the side of caution thing." CreationDate="2012-06-28T13:34:56.267" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="6505" PostId="3441" Score="0" Text="Wait, I didn't think that a 20k user could vote to delete just any answer, I thought it had to be negative, but the edit to my answer says otherwise. Has this changed?" CreationDate="2012-06-28T15:24:41.543" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="6510" PostId="3442" Score="0" Text="We do? I'm fairly sure that we have a &quot;declined&quot; flag reason as &quot;Do not flag wrong answers&quot;" CreationDate="2012-06-28T20:10:51.380" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6511" PostId="3442" Score="0" Text="If it's really bad, I see no problem in flagging and mod-hammering. You're right that if it &quot;ordinary&quot; wrong, the flag's getting declined." CreationDate="2012-06-28T21:01:43.530" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6517" PostId="3444" Score="5" Text="I'd suggest that SSH is a tool that is used by professional sysadmins far more than cPanel. However, as I said in my comments to nickgrim's answer, I'm not sure we should be asking *&quot;Does it meet some narrow definition of 'on topic' or not&quot;* when *&quot;where can people get good answers to their cPanel questions?&quot;* is a much more relevant question for the person looking to post cPanel questions. And I strongly suspect / suggest the answer to my last question is &quot;Probably not serverfault&quot;, at least not for &quot;how do I use cPanel&quot; style questions." CreationDate="2012-07-01T09:39:08.063" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6521" PostId="3444" Score="1" Text="As a professional sysadmin who **despises** CPanel, I think this answer is getting unnecessarily dogpiled.  Just because I use qmail and bash on Linux, and you use sendmail and tcsh on AIX, does not mean that I can't try to help you solve your problem.  I won't be able to tell you what to type, but I can certainly tell you to &quot;check whether you can connect to the machine on port 25&quot; and you can interpret that accordingly and implement the test.  If you can't, then either it's a CPanel limitation or you're not professional.  In either event, the question should (only *then*) be closed." CreationDate="2012-07-02T15:06:02.773" UserId="46760" />
  <row Id="22642" PostId="3444" Score="0" Text="@BMDan the mail problem is a good analogy" CreationDate="2019-03-03T11:10:47.217" UserId="51691" />
  <row Id="6518" PostId="3445" Score="2" Text="I spotted 2 questions where it's probably a legit tag" CreationDate="2012-07-02T09:58:26.167" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6522" PostId="3445" Score="0" Text="And here I thought, &quot;Wow, there are enough people having issues with cal(1) that they've submitted 15 questions on it?  It only has six options!&quot;" CreationDate="2012-07-02T15:08:56.687" UserId="46760" />
  <row Id="6519" PostId="3446" Score="0" Text="Context is key though, it is different, because it's often (very often) provided for non-professional website management, and many, many of the questions on the site with cPanel involved are low quality and/or nothing to do with professional IT use." CreationDate="2012-07-02T14:30:04.027" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="6520" PostId="3446" Score="0" Text="@EightBitTony Agreed. Just the same as many other panel systems. But as others have stated, there may be a legit need or interaction revolving around cPanel or another panel system. Like you said, all about how the question is asked, not the underlying technology being used." CreationDate="2012-07-02T14:32:05.547" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6526" PostId="3447" Score="0" Text="Especially as wrong questions now tend to get jumped on and closed pretty quickly." CreationDate="2012-07-03T00:44:28.080" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6529" PostId="3448" Score="0" Text="You'll note in my question I didn't speak about banning or preventing.  I asked if any professional sysadmins used cPanel, later corrected by others to be, do any IT professional really use cPanel.  Banning is something other people have inferred." CreationDate="2012-07-03T18:36:23.350" UserId="84542" />
  <row Id="22641" PostId="3448" Score="0" Text="I don't understand the downvote. Here's my upvote for all the good points you brought up, e.g. YaST." CreationDate="2019-03-03T11:06:59.720" UserId="51691" />
  <row Id="6531" PostId="3451" Score="2" Text="+1 - 100% of my &quot;people management&quot; time that I spent I rely on skills that are in no way IT related. But workplace.se might be able to help." CreationDate="2012-07-04T23:32:24.823" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6532" PostId="3451" Score="0" Text="Thanks both, I didn't realise there was a workplace SE :) I'll check there. In my opinion people management is part of system administration, but I think it could make for a messy SE page mixing people management and technical issues, so I completely get the logic behind this!" CreationDate="2012-07-05T08:34:48.670" UserId="118470" />
  <row Id="6542" PostId="3451" Score="0" Text="Lots of things are &quot;part of system adminstration&quot;, doesn't mean they're all on-topic for SF.  Should we allow questions about time management?  It's just as much a part of being a good sysadmin." CreationDate="2012-07-06T13:34:26.193" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="6533" PostId="3452" Score="11" Text="Gotta ask - what is operating-system's wife? If it be `user` she's all yours. I've seen it and it's not very pretty." CreationDate="2012-07-05T11:15:30.557" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6534" PostId="3452" Score="3" Text="Honestly, I didn't put that much thought into it. It was a distortion of the tale of [David and Bathsheba](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathsheba#Biblical_narrative). Only with less seduction." CreationDate="2012-07-05T11:55:15.467" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6535" PostId="3455" Score="5" Text="Almost, not not quite. Probably should have been more clear. When I've been retagging them, I've been re-tagging &quot;operating-system&quot; with the actual OS (if mentioned). Doing a mass delete doesn't achieve this unfortunately" CreationDate="2012-07-05T20:32:57.383" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6567" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="Tiny correction: &quot;The practice is system and network Administration&quot; has 3 co-authors: Thomas A. Limoncelli, Christina J. Hogan, Strata R. Chalup" CreationDate="2012-07-10T13:11:01.120" UserId="6472" />
  <row Id="6571" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="@TomOnTime I have updated the answer, thank you." CreationDate="2012-07-10T13:34:58.757" UserId="118470" />
  <row Id="6536" PostId="3458" Score="7" Text="http://serverfault.com/privileges/vote-down Down votes on *answers* cost, down votes on *questions* are free." CreationDate="2012-07-06T00:46:23.023" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="6538" PostId="3458" Score="0" Text="With the ability to edit questions and answers, it is hoped that when something is *slightly* off course you can improve it with an edit rather than downvote it when it could easily be &quot;saved&quot;. The other option of course is to ignore it." CreationDate="2012-07-06T08:02:35.747" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6612" PostId="3459" Score="0" Text="I downvoted you to test if I get -1 rep." CreationDate="2012-07-18T21:52:42.780" UserId="117379" />
  <row Id="6613" PostId="3459" Score="0" Text="@Legit - it doesn't work on Meta; there are no rep changes here except what happens on the main site" CreationDate="2012-07-18T22:11:57.863" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6621" PostId="3459" Score="0" Text="@Legit, you do gain badges for some pretty whacky reasons on meta, although those badges are distinct from the ones you get on SF, unlike the rep which is common to both SF and MSF. Some things of Stack Exchange simply defy logic." CreationDate="2012-07-22T08:26:14.320" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6541" PostId="3460" Score="6" Text="And yet there is no dis-incentive to curb upvoting, even when the questions or answers are absurd or totally incorrect." CreationDate="2012-07-06T09:12:53.760" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6556" PostId="3460" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers Something something &quot;you can't fix stupid&quot; murmer murmer. Although I highly doubt ServerFault will ever have an upward spiral of voting. We're rather lethargic about that with only a handful of *cough* notable exceptions. =)" CreationDate="2012-07-06T16:49:16.447" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6557" PostId="3460" Score="12" Text="I feel like I should make a witty comment here, but I can't think of anything..." CreationDate="2012-07-06T22:07:01.250" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="6558" PostId="3460" Score="1" Text="@Ward *Upvoted!*" CreationDate="2012-07-07T02:34:31.323" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6562" PostId="3460" Score="1" Text="@John Gardeniers: yes, there is a dis-incentive to curb upvoting: daily reputation cap" CreationDate="2012-07-09T13:49:57.230" UserId="15028" />
  <row Id="6564" PostId="3460" Score="0" Text="@longneck, you, and whoever upvoted your comment, appear to have misunderstood things a bit. The daily cap only limits the rep a person can *receive* and is unrelated to the upvotes a person *casts*. Maybe you're thinking of the daily voting limit but that also is no dis-incentive against upvoting." CreationDate="2012-07-10T06:56:48.197" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6537" PostId="3463" Score="0" Text="Lists do run the risk of becoming Not Constructive though." CreationDate="2012-07-06T06:18:51.693" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6539" PostId="3463" Score="2" Text="Teaching *how* to evaluate stuff is always a good thing." CreationDate="2012-07-06T08:15:12.867" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="6540" PostId="3463" Score="2" Text="Interesting. We used to close questions such as your example as 'too subjective'. I often use the 'not constructive' vote on them because even when worded that way they still seldom have a correct answer and have a strong tendency to turn into lengthy discussions." CreationDate="2012-07-06T09:01:08.737" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6543" PostId="3464" Score="12" Text="A better way would be to just tag those questions &quot;best-practices&quot;.  That way you can just refer to the tag search: http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/best-practices and be done with it. Much less clutter and work for all." CreationDate="2009-06-14T08:45:19.287" UserId="326" />
  <row Id="6544" PostId="3464" Score="0" Text="Then I have to open each and every one to find &quot;the answer&quot;.  Tagging is great from a &quot;self-organizing&quot; perspective, but it's the lazy way out, IMHO." CreationDate="2009-06-14T09:25:56.367" UserId="1561" />
  <row Id="6545" PostId="3464" Score="2" Text="I agree with David. Let's have some best-practices tags too." CreationDate="2009-06-15T07:10:08.267" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="6546" PostId="3464" Score="0" Text="Very well.  Tags are nice, but I find they are a lot more effort to sift through than to have a one-stop-shop page that has all of the relevant links on it.  The second goal was to do a little mental exercise, if all of the recommendations from SF were used to run a conceptualized group of servers for some purpose, what would that look like?  But if everyone's for tags, I won't buck the trend, so I'll close the question.  How's this: if I don't get another bite in a week's time, I'll close it, fair enough?" CreationDate="2009-06-15T17:20:50.877" UserId="1561" />
  <row Id="6547" PostId="3464" Score="0" Text="Looks like we're going to close this, unless there's some action in the next 12 hours.  Anyone care to post?" CreationDate="2009-06-19T16:30:03.063" UserId="1561" />
  <row Id="6548" PostId="3464" Score="0" Text="Jeff, we have a quandry here. There have been no postings, but I suddenly find that at least 7 people are interested in this question and 8 more have marked it as &quot;favorite&quot;. Guess it's time to haul out a bounty? (hauls out a 50-point chunk of flesh) ouch!  That stings.  Well, let's see what happens." CreationDate="2009-06-20T19:20:43.667" UserId="1561" />
  <row Id="6549" PostId="3464" Score="0" Text="Whelp, it looks like another quandry: I can either punish myself by deleting or closing the question and loose the bounty I put into this, or I can answer the question myself to salvage the failed bounty attempt, but I don't like do thing that.  So, what should happen?  Seems like no-one is going to do anything, and I don't see why it should be fair that I'm punished for trying to do something &quot;nice&quot; for the community." CreationDate="2009-06-26T21:31:05.957" UserId="1561" />
  <row Id="6550" PostId="3464" Score="0" Text="Lesson learned: if you start a pure-play community wiki, no-one will come.  If you start it, upvote people, then convert it, people will rain suggestions on you from everywhere.  This is a big problem in my eyes, and I'm starting to think that the &quot;wiki&quot; concept needs a lot of rework." CreationDate="2009-06-27T18:34:22.797" UserId="1561" />
  <row Id="6551" PostId="3464" Score="0" Text="(sigh) wow...and so it begins.  Voting to close this." CreationDate="2009-09-03T00:44:01.017" UserId="1561" />
  <row Id="6552" PostId="3464" Score="2" Text="Funny what you stumble on in the older articles..." CreationDate="2010-09-09T12:46:40.637" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="6553" PostId="3466" Score="0" Text="That's certainly the idea. :)  But it's a large task to do this, and I want people to nominate what they think is important.  A quick glance at the question section shows there are several thousand questions, but only a few are best-practice related.  I figured, this would make a handy place to aggregate those answers together, instead of having to search for each one.  So, I'm willing to add answers and maintain this for a bit, if people are willing to chip in a little bit." CreationDate="2009-06-14T05:54:11.270" UserId="1561" />
  <row Id="6607" PostId="3472" Score="1" Text="As pointed out, that kind of broad question is specifically against the stated purpose of the Stack Exchange sites.  (Even if all the highest voted questions and most visited questions are popular precisely for being broad and generally applicable.) I don't like it either, and think it's a pity, but there are other IT communities out there with more of a forum structure that are better suited to (and happy to answer) the type of broader, subjective question you asked.  Try somewhere else instead of getting bent out of shape about things here." CreationDate="2012-07-18T02:18:17.453" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6568" PostId="3473" Score="0" Text="So, its closed because some other people thought there's no way to answer MY question? Based on the scenario exposed in the question I, (the one who asked the question) received answers which completely satisfied me. But oh well, seems this is like a government, we have to live by the laws no matter how wrong and dumb they are." CreationDate="2012-07-10T13:13:37.887" UserId="124052" />
  <row Id="6569" PostId="3473" Score="3" Text="@Rhyuk: The questions and answers on the site effectively serve three purposes: 1) Be useful, 2) Represent the site and it's culture and community, 3) Follow the strictures set down on high from SEI. The FAQ does its level best to lay those out, but sometimes nuances slip through the cracks. Just because you the asker finds the answers acceptable, doesn't mean the question itself fits within the broader scope of those purposes. Shopping questions are a great example of what's verboten, but may trivially be answered according to the asker." CreationDate="2012-07-10T13:21:43.537" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="6570" PostId="3473" Score="0" Text="So basically its like: 1. You have the right to say anything you want as long as its smart. (check) 2. What you say must not be off topic (check) 3. We reserve the right to decide whats actually smart or not. (BTW please, do not take anything I say personal)" CreationDate="2012-07-10T13:28:29.527" UserId="124052" />
  <row Id="6572" PostId="3473" Score="2" Text="@Rhyuk: I can tell that you're feeling upset and defensive. I recognize the validity of those feelings. While we are all human, and as such do occasionally make mistakes. However, I feel the majority of voters do their best to honestly vote according to the FAQ." CreationDate="2012-07-10T13:43:38.777" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="6573" PostId="3473" Score="0" Text="Yes, I have to admit I'm upset. But oh well... can't swim against the current. And you sir, are a gentleman." CreationDate="2012-07-10T13:47:39.333" UserId="124052" />
  <row Id="6575" PostId="3473" Score="3" Text="@Rhyuk That Auditor Question was closed and reopened 4 times by different sets of people before Jeff Atwood decided it was in SF's best interests to directly violate the FAQ and keep the Question open (solely on account if it's popularity, not on any technical merit). &quot;On High&quot; is allowed to be arbitrary when they pay the bills..." CreationDate="2012-07-10T14:00:23.600" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6576" PostId="3473" Score="1" Text="So just like my government example, there are rules, they are just bent depending on the interests." CreationDate="2012-07-10T14:02:20.633" UserId="124052" />
  <row Id="6577" PostId="3473" Score="0" Text="@Rhyuk: I certainly thought so. As I recall that one hit reddit and drove a mindblowingly amount of traffic to the site. Like ChrisS said, it's open not because we want it, but because it was deemed to be an acceptable evil." CreationDate="2012-07-10T14:03:16.250" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="6580" PostId="3473" Score="0" Text="I would have added: duplicate of http://serverfault.com/questions/11659/what-steps-do-you-take-to-secure-a-debian-server" CreationDate="2012-07-11T03:03:44.287" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="6582" PostId="3473" Score="0" Text="@Andrew complete different question, systems, purpose and users too. Oh yeah.. and the 2 years of difference." CreationDate="2012-07-11T11:50:04.913" UserId="124052" />
  <row Id="6585" PostId="3474" Score="8" Text="What an ambiguous tag... OS: operating system, open source, open solaris, a backwards acronym for stack overflow..." CreationDate="2012-07-11T16:10:07.797" UserId="62708" />
  <row Id="6588" PostId="3476" Score="0" Text="Caveat: If you're asking about troubleshooting advice for a Mac product you may want to try [Ask Different](http://apple.stackexchange.com)" CreationDate="2012-07-11T17:49:53.893" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6581" PostId="3477" Score="1" Text="Jeff Atwood himself set up a chat room for product recommendations of routers so this seems a likely place" CreationDate="2012-07-11T08:38:27.367" UserId="118470" />
  <row Id="6611" PostId="3478" Score="1" Text="&quot;It helps if you always assume that your questions and/or answers are never going to even get looked at, let alone answered/upvoted&quot; - I will now pretend this answer doesn't exist and learn nothing from this question. Wait a sec..." CreationDate="2012-07-18T13:57:31.553" UserId="45705" />
  <row Id="6584" PostId="3479" Score="1" Text="Well...nobody in SE was born being a sysadmin. They had to start somewhere, and if its like you say, it defeats the purpose SE which is stated on SE FAQ section &quot;What kind of questions can I ask here?&quot;." CreationDate="2012-07-11T15:29:28.420" UserId="124052" />
  <row Id="6586" PostId="3479" Score="0" Text="Hey, I didn't vote to close :)" CreationDate="2012-07-11T16:24:07.667" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="6587" PostId="3479" Score="0" Text="I know, nothing personal! `;-)`" CreationDate="2012-07-11T16:59:16.847" UserId="124052" />
  <row Id="6589" PostId="3479" Score="10" Text="The trouble with 'Best Practices' is that everyone has their own." CreationDate="2012-07-11T19:46:17.820" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6616" PostId="3479" Score="2" Text="Nobody was born a sysadmin but on SF you're expected to already be a professional one." CreationDate="2012-07-21T01:21:01.980" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6594" PostId="3481" Score="0" Text="+1 for TomTom's phone... although if it's his phone it might be running LAMP and RAID." CreationDate="2012-07-13T20:16:16.630" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6600" PostId="3481" Score="0" Text="RAIM: Redundant Array of Inexpensive Mobiles" CreationDate="2012-07-16T16:57:18.397" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="6593" PostId="3482" Score="0" Text="[Suggested](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/3483/115189)." CreationDate="2012-07-12T02:44:16.793" UserId="115189" />
  <row Id="6618" PostId="3485" Score="0" Text="I've previously suggested, several times, that I'd like to see a discussion area where we could ask all those questions, including shopping ones, relevant to our jobs but which are off topic on SF." CreationDate="2012-07-21T12:13:26.590" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6619" PostId="3485" Score="0" Text="The problem with all of those questions is that there is no single &quot;you&quot; to answer that question." CreationDate="2012-07-22T06:14:13.613" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="6624" PostId="3485" Score="0" Text="@womble, that's why it's &quot;caveat emptor&quot;.  Same as any retail online site with reviews.  It's up to the author to weigh the choices based on recommendations and upvotes.  For instance:  http://serverfault.com/questions/44/what-tool-do-you-use-to-monitor-your-servers (while I see the comments about it being off-topic) shows as a good example of how it would work.  It's clear the community recommends Nagios and others...and the OP would be wise to examine those vs. something like Verax NMS that received 0 votes" CreationDate="2012-07-23T13:09:36.470" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="6606" PostId="3486" Score="1" Text="I actually think thats a good question! Could be canonical. I wish more people were that proactive" CreationDate="2012-07-17T23:52:12.083" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6608" PostId="3486" Score="1" Text="http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/03/reputation-and-historical-archives/ is interesting and relevant too." CreationDate="2012-07-18T06:44:16.840" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6609" PostId="3486" Score="2" Text="You should work on earning the 563 rep missing to 10K where you would get access to deleted questions and could check out by yourself :)" CreationDate="2012-07-18T11:51:52.247" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="6610" PostId="3486" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj I'm on it ;)" CreationDate="2012-07-18T12:24:35.687" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="6617" PostId="3486" Score="0" Text="Sadly, 10K+ users see all the deleted questions, whether we want to or not. Just as annoying as all the ads we had to put up with when we first started." CreationDate="2012-07-21T12:06:10.110" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6604" PostId="3487" Score="0" Text="Hadn't noticed the new `/review`. Thanks!" CreationDate="2012-07-17T23:33:13.687" UserId="59789" />
  <row Id="6605" PostId="3487" Score="7" Text="Actually some questions are auto deleted; `age &gt; 1 year &amp;&amp; views &lt; 1.5*days &amp;&amp; answers == 0`" CreationDate="2012-07-17T23:49:52.707" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6675" PostId="3487" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson Also, `age &gt; 30 days &amp;&amp; score &lt; 0 &amp;&amp; answers == 0 &amp;&amp; !locked`. Full details [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/92006/155160)." CreationDate="2012-08-01T21:57:47.327" UserId="101854" />
  <row Id="6676" PostId="3487" Score="0" Text="@AnnaLear - good to know" CreationDate="2012-08-01T22:00:46.177" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6620" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="+1 My sentiments exactly. It's taken a long time to get to this point and the results have been worth the effort of culling inappropriate questions, which generally indicate the posted has failed to even look at the FAQ." CreationDate="2012-07-22T08:19:35.703" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6622" PostId="3491" Score="0" Text="We can always ask community/devs to delete tags attached to large numbers of questions." CreationDate="2012-07-23T06:42:05.390" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6625" PostId="3491" Score="0" Text="I would tend to agree that these are bad tags: If any of them were the only tag on a question it would have zero meaning.  As such they should probably be fired, out of a cannon, into the sun. (Disclaimer: I've only glanced at the list of questions half-seriously, vomited in my bucket, and decided the tags were at fault. It could just as easily be the Debugging Tequila's fault...)" CreationDate="2012-07-23T15:12:25.487" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6623" PostId="3492" Score="0" Text="A quick scan suggests you're correct but quite a lot of the questions would need to have it removed as it is also being used generically." CreationDate="2012-07-23T09:55:08.377" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6640" PostId="3492" Score="1" Text="That could be tagged as [tag:autoconf]." CreationDate="2012-07-28T20:16:38.587" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="6631" PostId="3494" Score="5" Text="I would challenge the very core of your question -- that it is &quot;good practice&quot; to not give devs access to the tools of their trade." CreationDate="2012-07-24T21:32:43.373" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="6627" PostId="3497" Score="0" Text="How do you decide what’s part of the knowledge base and what isn’t?" CreationDate="2012-07-23T16:23:57.943" UserId="98093" />
  <row Id="6628" PostId="3497" Score="0" Text="I don't. If it wasn't, you'd be able to delete it. =]" CreationDate="2012-07-23T16:45:21.447" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6629" PostId="3497" Score="0" Text="So why was it closed?" CreationDate="2012-07-23T18:08:27.987" UserId="98093" />
  <row Id="6630" PostId="3497" Score="2" Text="5 People thought it should be closed. More descriptively, it's pretty clear you aren't a system administrator and the question is about a home computer, which is off-topic per the [faq]." CreationDate="2012-07-24T01:56:10.157" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8794" PostId="3499" Score="1" Text="I think the only REAL way to have longevity of uploaded files would be for StackExchange to host a file server for this purpose. The problem with `Host Your Own` is that the user might take it down and the SE links will 404. This includes Dropbox, Amazon S3, Skydrive, and any other service that is maintained by a user subscription." CreationDate="2013-03-07T17:33:38.590" UserId="22663" />
  <row Id="6632" PostId="3500" Score="1" Text="RapidShare has become quite unreliable lately, at least as far as downloads goes. Constant timeouts and failures to resume. That might not be a problem with files of only few KB or MB but does need to be considered for large files." CreationDate="2012-07-27T04:59:19.550" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6634" PostId="3502" Score="9" Text="I don't see any difficulty in making files available. But I do see some in making them last. I always deemed the &quot;own server&quot; solution particularly bad as there is absolutely no consistency in how long the links will remain valid." CreationDate="2012-07-27T18:45:27.503" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="6635" PostId="3502" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj, unfortunately the same problem exists with nearly all public file servers. This is especially true at the moment with many of them either shutting down or no longer allowing public downloads." CreationDate="2012-07-28T00:32:00.430" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6681" PostId="3502" Score="2" Text="-1 Because not every IT person can or wants to put stuff like this on their website. And what if they don't have a website (IE consulting stuff)" CreationDate="2012-08-03T22:06:47.677" UserId="45705" />
  <row Id="6682" PostId="3502" Score="1" Text="@TheLQ, I find it hard to believe there's an IT professional that doesn't have a web site. That's like an electrician not having a screwdriver." CreationDate="2012-08-04T01:44:49.050" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6689" PostId="3502" Score="0" Text="You can put me in the &quot;or wants to&quot; category, theLQ." CreationDate="2012-08-06T01:42:10.607" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="6693" PostId="3502" Score="0" Text="At last, if rapidshare and others public services not acceptable, you can arrange hosting at home." CreationDate="2012-08-06T20:53:54.937" UserId="25361" />
  <row Id="6663" PostId="3505" Score="1" Text="Would seem to me to be about as permanent as any other option here..." CreationDate="2012-07-30T07:53:56.307" UserId="1439" />
  <row Id="8793" PostId="3505" Score="1" Text="until he closes his S3 account. There needs to be something a little more permanent." CreationDate="2013-03-07T17:30:35.860" UserId="22663" />
  <row Id="6638" PostId="3506" Score="6" Text="Anyone who blindly tries to discipline or berate others over the logs on any web filtering product is a complete idiot who should be fired. I don't mean from their job, I mean out of a cannon. Do they understand the concept of websites running adverts? Do they understand the concept of websites, come to think of it?" CreationDate="2012-07-28T17:43:17.920" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6639" PostId="3506" Score="6" Text="@DJPon3  Well, they're HR, so... no, they don't.  Literally.  Last time someone changed one of their homepages, they couldn't figure out how to get to the intranet to do job functions.  Having said that, no one's dumb enough to berate or discipline me over it, but it is a corporate environment, so it's more of a *how-many-idiots-am-I-going-to-have-to-explain-these-&quot;anomalous&quot;-webfilter-reports-to* situation.  Unless there's a technical solution I'm unaware of." CreationDate="2012-07-28T18:04:28.203" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6641" PostId="3506" Score="0" Text="They must be a very concerned employer about all their employees leaving if they've blocked job boards at work..." CreationDate="2012-07-28T21:50:08.940" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6643" PostId="3506" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson. No, they're just weird.  I'm told it's about next to impossible to get in here, and it's a good place to work.  They're just corporatey and weird.  They don't block the sites, they just get a report of browsing behavior, and it seemed that me and a couple other IT guys are showing up as the top job seekers because of those ads.  I think it's not unreasonable to expect employees to not be looking for another job on company time, TBH." CreationDate="2012-07-28T22:31:25.057" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6646" PostId="3506" Score="0" Text="&quot;I think it's not unreasonable to expect employees to not be looking for another job on company time, TBH&quot; - agreed. But you're not looking for another job on company time. You're browsing a website that contains job adverts in the side bar. Microsoft.com has occasional adverts for working at Microsoft - would they frown at you using technet to debug a Windows problem too?" CreationDate="2012-07-29T21:40:53.403" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6637" PostId="3508" Score="1" Text="Not a bad idea, though I was kinda thinking more along the lines of technical suggestions.  Plus, if I talk to HR, I think my answer's going to be more along the lines of &quot;because I deserve a 25% raise.&quot; :D" CreationDate="2012-07-28T15:02:01.960" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6642" PostId="3509" Score="0" Text="Alright, I'll definitely check it out... more the kind of suggestion I'm looking for." CreationDate="2012-07-28T21:52:53.997" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6691" PostId="3509" Score="0" Text="Yup, it's the only way... our bloody webproxy/filter resolves requests before even the local hosts file gets a shot, so no adblockers or client settings are going be able to rectify the issue.  Maybe I'll just start using a 4G card if I can't find an API I like." CreationDate="2012-08-06T18:52:20.157" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6662" PostId="3511" Score="3" Text="About the bittorrent option: Having enough seeders to ensure long-term availability would be tricky." CreationDate="2012-07-30T06:41:43.000" UserId="29296" />
  <row Id="6683" PostId="3511" Score="1" Text="Who would keep seeding somebody else's files if they themselves can get absolutely no benefit from them?" CreationDate="2012-08-04T01:46:50.593" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6644" PostId="3512" Score="1" Text="On a website that gets revenue from ads they probably won't approve of us openly discussing such things. ;)" CreationDate="2012-07-29T06:47:05.557" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6645" PostId="3512" Score="0" Text="Perhaps. Nevertheless, it is one possible solution." CreationDate="2012-07-29T15:11:44.167" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="6659" PostId="3512" Score="0" Text="...Plus the Stack Exchange ads are not that obtrusive (particularly once you cross the 200 rep mark).  I don't begrudge sites I like their advertising dollars. :-)" CreationDate="2012-07-30T02:39:47.573" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6674" PostId="3512" Score="0" Text="Did not seem to work.  I'll double-check tomorrow with *shudder* IE and AdBlock (because, of course, we have a godawful MS &quot;firewall&quot; in the way that might be mangling my user credentials if not passed by IE).  Thanks for the suggestion, at the very least." CreationDate="2012-08-01T03:07:58.280" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6692" PostId="3512" Score="0" Text="Newp, Websense grabs the requst first.  Thnaks for the suggestion anyway." CreationDate="2012-08-06T18:53:55.803" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6647" PostId="3514" Score="0" Text="So, my question is not allowed or if written different way it would be ok?" CreationDate="2012-07-29T23:24:59.467" UserId="33510" />
  <row Id="6648" PostId="3514" Score="0" Text="Regarding your own question. I really canot grasp why something is closed if there are answers, comments, valid discussion below a question. It helps the one who asked and many in the future. If somebody doesn't like such question don't waste your time reading it." CreationDate="2012-07-29T23:28:06.187" UserId="33510" />
  <row Id="6649" PostId="3514" Score="2" Text="@Radek - I think you've missed the point. What if someone else in 2 years time is googling for &quot;Best Widget to Foo the Bar with&quot;, and they find an answer here, which suggests &quot;You should use BarFoo 3.2&quot;. But BarFoo was discontinued, so now the user has wasted 10 minutes of their life looking for something that's no good, or even worse, they tried to use BarFoo 3.2 but find out too late that it's unmaintenined when they run into trouble with it. But it wasn't unmaintained when the answer was written. And then the user goes &quot;Bloody Server Fault, gave me a shit answer, screw them&quot;" CreationDate="2012-07-29T23:30:52.027" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6650" PostId="3514" Score="2" Text="(which happens to me almost every time I find myself on a non-SE site. Like Expert Sexchange, or some random vBulletin website). But yes, if you can write it in a different way, then it might pass. Check out the example I linked to in the answer above, that's a good example." CreationDate="2012-07-29T23:31:56.750" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6651" PostId="3514" Score="0" Text="&quot;After *someone* flagged it.&quot; &lt;_&lt;" CreationDate="2012-07-29T23:32:53.390" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6652" PostId="3514" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid - don't flatter yourself, I've been flagged a few times by people other than you!" CreationDate="2012-07-29T23:38:34.203" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6653" PostId="3514" Score="0" Text="But any answer can be outdated. If BarFoo 3.2 is outdated it might still be the only solution. It would be wise to find out that before installing and not complain that it wasn't stated in the question." CreationDate="2012-07-29T23:44:16.120" UserId="33510" />
  <row Id="6654" PostId="3514" Score="1" Text="I primary ask question on SE and lately there are new answers because there are new ways how to solve what ever I asked. Does it make all the other answers invalid? Or because such and such product/plugin is not underdevelopment anymore?" CreationDate="2012-07-29T23:46:04.217" UserId="33510" />
  <row Id="6655" PostId="3514" Score="0" Text="@Radek - this is true, any answer can be outdated. But product recommendation/shopping questions get outdated faster than a hipster fashion trend, especially in this field. Which is why we suggest asking questions like &quot;Q: How can I tell what the latest hipster fashion trend is? A: Go to your local trendy inner-city suburb and look around you. Take one article of clothing from each person you see and wear it, preferably make sure the colours clash.&quot; rather than &quot;Q: What's the latest hipster fashion? A: Over-sized bright-red spec frames with no glass in them and combat boots&quot;" CreationDate="2012-07-29T23:47:27.470" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6656" PostId="3514" Score="0" Text="@Radek - in the case of my Hipster Fashion Trend example, there would be a new answer every 4.32 micro-seconds, as each previous answer is by default invalidated specifically *because* it's an answer. Now of course that's an absurd and stupid example, but for shopping questions the answers can change so often, it's just not worth the effort of keeping them up to date. Every time a new version of BooFarrer is released, do we expect someone to maintain a canonical list of all its competitors?" CreationDate="2012-07-29T23:50:24.130" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6657" PostId="3514" Score="0" Text="Why don't we use my question as an example? What different answer can I get besides some commercial product (which I don't want), or some free product, script or suggestion to write such script by myself or do it manually?" CreationDate="2012-07-29T23:55:00.413" UserId="33510" />
  <row Id="6658" PostId="3514" Score="0" Text="@Radek I'm not sure what you want to use your question as an example of -- You are asking, essentially, for a list of products.  Products in this field change so frequently that we don't like to have questions where the answers will just be a list of products.  Your question is an example of a &quot;shopping question&quot;, which is why it's closed.  A suggestion to &quot;write your own script&quot; isn't an answer to your question, which is seeking an existing script.  If you would like advice on *writing* such a script please edit your question. (See also the answer I will be posting here shortly)" CreationDate="2012-07-30T02:10:47.317" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6660" PostId="3514" Score="0" Text="Well, I am looking for a solution to my need. And seems to me obvious that it must be &quot;a product&quot;. Because I didn't find anything and/or I could be wrong with my conclusion I asked here." CreationDate="2012-07-30T02:47:22.430" UserId="33510" />
  <row Id="6661" PostId="3515" Score="1" Text="Noooow I understand. I don't agree though :-) Thank you." CreationDate="2012-07-30T02:48:15.503" UserId="33510" />
  <row Id="6664" PostId="3516" Score="1" Text="I also had an open source project question considered 'shopping'... If this scouring is considered 'shopping', then buying products from NewEgg is a dream come true.&#xA;&#xA;More importantly, regardless of merit, the FAQ/Q&amp;A should be updated .  After reading it, with comments, it did not close the door in such a manner you would ideally desire." CreationDate="2012-07-30T14:40:45.730" UserId="77571" />
  <row Id="6665" PostId="3516" Score="0" Text="@TechZilla, perhaps you are unaware that we have recently updated the FAQ. Although nobody would consider it perfect the amount of effort and discussion that went into it means none of us are in a hurry to do it again any time soon. It's all here on Meta if you're interested. For the record, I don't fully agree with the harshness of our attitude to shopping questions but that attitude stems from the owners of Stack Exchange more than anyone else. Whether I agree with it or not, that's what we have and I voted accordingly." CreationDate="2012-07-30T23:18:36.623" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6666" PostId="3516" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo, thanks for the edit. As you could probably tell, I wasn't feeling like spoon feeding when I posted the answer." CreationDate="2012-07-30T23:22:04.497" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6667" PostId="3516" Score="1" Text="No worries, @JohnGardeniers. I try to be helpful in my trolling... I'm quite fed up with some of the hand-holding that many people seem to require. It makes me want to point to the &quot;*Professional*&quot; part of the site charter more often than not." CreationDate="2012-07-30T23:36:04.867" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="6668" PostId="3519" Score="1" Text="Love the idea of making the Canonicals more visible on the site. Not sure how exactly." CreationDate="2012-07-31T03:52:37.043" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6669" PostId="3519" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS There's the oft-discussed [tag:canonical] tag -- it's a meta tag, which would make Jeff cry enough tears to drown all of our kittens, but I'm leaning more and more toward having it as our list of canonical questions grows to eclipse my Favorites stars..." CreationDate="2012-07-31T14:55:22.523" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6672" PostId="3519" Score="1" Text="I'm fine with a Canonical tag, but I don't see how that makes it more accessible to our users; they'd have to know to look for it. My thinking is a prominent link right up top, displayed as if to say 'these have already been answered'" CreationDate="2012-07-31T15:31:26.987" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="6673" PostId="3519" Score="0" Text="What ever happened to the [faq] tag? Am I only imagining that it was a &quot;special&quot; mod-only tag on SF proper?" CreationDate="2012-08-01T00:43:43.933" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="6670" PostId="3520" Score="0" Text="Links between them would probably work too, but I'm not sure how I feel about sending users to one question and having them traverse the links. Plus it feels strange from an answer standpoint (If we put it on &quot;Can you help&quot; it's &quot;No. Now go here where we help you.&quot; ; If we put it on &quot;How do you do&quot; it's &quot;Here's how, now go here where we say why we can't help you.&quot;). That interpretation is of course entirely a construct of my demented mind: sane people may read it differently and/or not care about following links :-)" CreationDate="2012-07-31T14:58:47.343" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6671" PostId="3520" Score="1" Text="I'm not entirely sure I follow. If we send users to one of the questions, I would think we're sending them to the one relevant to what they're specifically asking for. Having the links to the related questions would only be useful to them if they had other planning interests they hadn't mentioned when we recommended them the first link. Full disclosure, I still haven't had my morning caffeine..." CreationDate="2012-07-31T15:03:01.383" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6738" PostId="3521" Score="2" Text="...what if there is no specific tag? Feels like the general-tag should remain, and people should just retag as appropriate." CreationDate="2012-08-15T16:33:15.253" UserId="72623" />
  <row Id="6740" PostId="3521" Score="0" Text="Fair point.  I should do that in future :-)" CreationDate="2012-08-16T12:20:23.963" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="6753" PostId="3521" Score="1" Text="I've added partial lists of better tag choices to the full tag wiki for each of these. Feel free to continue to grow those lists.  (I've also added an admonition to the [tag:microsoft] tag that it should probably NEVER be used -- this one I think can actually be burninated since there's ALWAYS a more specific tag...)" CreationDate="2012-08-22T17:46:31.643" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6754" PostId="3521" Score="0" Text="If you quickly type &quot;microsoft exchange&quot; into the tag field, you get both words converted to tags.  The auto-suggest feature doesn't kick in fast enough to head this off (not that there is a tag microsoft-exchange anyway), so killing off the microsoft tag probably would be the best method.  But there are only 90 questions tagged microsoft compared to 400+ hp and 1,300+ cisco, so not such a big deal." CreationDate="2012-08-22T21:31:20.493" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="6680" PostId="3522" Score="2" Text="Stack Exchange also has a Wordpress site, so consider whether your second question might be more appropriate here or over there, depending mainly on whether you see this as a server issue or a Wordpress specific issue." CreationDate="2012-08-02T23:29:57.600" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6677" PostId="3523" Score="4" Text="That second one is important. We frequently get flags on such elaboration questions citing them as duplicates of the original." CreationDate="2012-08-02T17:11:40.830" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="6684" PostId="3525" Score="0" Text="No problem, should be done soonish." CreationDate="2012-08-04T17:38:03.980" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="6685" PostId="3527" Score="0" Text="Thank you! It worked, I could accept the answer of Tom2's question. BTW: Did I something wrong with my second question that is the reason for the downvotes? I had read the Faq before I asked to be sure if the question does belong here at all and checked for duplicate questions. I honestly had the feeling it's the right place and nobody wrote a comment what I did wrong." CreationDate="2012-08-04T18:15:17.317" UserId="130303" />
  <row Id="6686" PostId="3527" Score="1" Text="@Tom That probably earned downvotes from seeming too end-user like which explains the 3 migration votes to SuperUser. &quot;My profile&quot; is personal, &quot;one of my user's profile&quot; is more professional." CreationDate="2012-08-04T18:40:43.887" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="6687" PostId="3527" Score="0" Text="Aaaah, now I understand. I didn't know the SuperUser site, will consider this next time. I actually have noticed in the Faq that ServerFault is for &quot;professionals&quot;. I'm probably a border case: The PC I have the problems with is my corporate PC, the domain my company's domain, the workgroup my company's workgroup, I have to care about our network among thousand other things (we are a very small company), accidentally I have indeed the problem with my own PC, it is Saturday and I am sitting in my office..." CreationDate="2012-08-04T18:52:24.420" UserId="130303" />
  <row Id="6688" PostId="3528" Score="6" Text="+1 I've seen good answers to an original question get downvoted because they are no longer a good fit for an edited version of the question. That's not fair on anybody." CreationDate="2012-08-05T01:10:32.213" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6694" PostId="3528" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers I've been burned by that before too. Happens a lot on SE sites with heavy question editing by high-rep users." CreationDate="2012-08-06T21:37:40.487" UserId="118522" />
  <row Id="6699" PostId="3528" Score="0" Text="@smcg, editing that changes the question's meaning is generally done by the posters themselves, not high rep members." CreationDate="2012-08-08T13:29:06.443" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6700" PostId="3528" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers actually it does happen on RPG.SE a fair amount. I've complained about it and was just told to deal with it." CreationDate="2012-08-08T14:22:52.620" UserId="118522" />
  <row Id="6703" PostId="3528" Score="3" Text="Good to see SF isn't the only site dominated by cranky curmudgeons.  &lt;grin&gt;" CreationDate="2012-08-08T21:07:45.130" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="6695" PostId="3529" Score="0" Text="Yes, I struggle with this too and often miss links unless they're obvious." CreationDate="2012-08-07T15:19:41.530" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="6696" PostId="3529" Score="0" Text="[What is this futile agitation for readability?](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1745/change-style-of-links) - [BLASPHEMY I SAY!](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/262/links-in-serverfault-not-readily-visible) YOU'LL TAKE BLACK ON BLACK AND YOU'LL ***LIKE*** IT!" CreationDate="2012-08-07T15:48:39.167" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6697" PostId="3529" Score="0" Text="Well damn... for once the sidebar and suggested questions didn't show me that question.  Should we close this one as a dup?" CreationDate="2012-08-07T15:55:43.103" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6698" PostId="3529" Score="0" Text="I created a userstyle for use with sylish that 'fixes' this http://userstyles.org/styles/68486/serverfault" CreationDate="2012-08-07T16:04:10.283" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6724" PostId="3534" Score="0" Text="I cannot upvote this enough." CreationDate="2012-08-14T15:23:44.510" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="6704" PostId="3536" Score="2" Text="+1 - might leave this one for the devs, they do keep an eye on the metas." CreationDate="2012-08-12T21:48:09.430" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6723" PostId="3538" Score="1" Text="For cryptography related questions there's http://crypto.stackexchange.com too..." CreationDate="2012-08-14T15:04:54.620" UserId="55663" />
  <row Id="6732" PostId="3538" Score="2" Text="@Hubert - we have agreed Crypto gets the questions about algorithms, maths, how crypto works and we get the implementation, what crypto you should use in your environment etc." CreationDate="2012-08-14T19:26:22.897" UserId="62544" />
  <row Id="6737" PostId="3538" Score="1" Text="@RoryAlsop: Not that I don't like the fact, that SE is getting bigger (I love the site's format). But honestly, it's getting confusing..." CreationDate="2012-08-15T13:18:37.353" UserId="55663" />
  <row Id="6725" PostId="3539" Score="1" Text="I don't know... I might call ITSec the &quot;hard science&quot; of the two." CreationDate="2012-08-14T17:07:23.937" UserId="3139" />
  <row Id="6726" PostId="3539" Score="1" Text="Yeah, this is a crappy explanation overall... IT Security really overlaps heavily with SF, we weren't terribly amused when it was proposed. But we definitely needed a place for theory questions and topics that aren't *currently a problem*. Making exceptions for certain discussion points on SF didn't make sense, so IT Security it is." CreationDate="2012-08-14T17:11:14.753" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6727" PostId="3539" Score="1" Text="@ChrisS: I suspect the Information Security community tends to believe the overlap does exist, but is fairly small." CreationDate="2012-08-14T17:21:56.530" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="6728" PostId="3539" Score="0" Text="@ScottPack Everyone's entitled to their own wrong opinion. =]" CreationDate="2012-08-14T17:33:19.290" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6729" PostId="3539" Score="1" Text="@ChrisS: Which is exactly why I'm not correcting you. :)" CreationDate="2012-08-14T17:57:25.357" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="6733" PostId="3539" Score="0" Text="@chrisS, did you mean to say &quot;SF is for the tactical discussion of security, whereas the IT security site is for the strategic discussion of security&quot; ?" CreationDate="2012-08-15T01:43:27.233" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="6734" PostId="3539" Score="0" Text="@Sirex Sure. That's reasonable... Any way you shake it, there's a lot of overlap, but both sites have topics that are their own." CreationDate="2012-08-15T02:26:28.637" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6730" PostId="3540" Score="0" Text="a home network is unlikely to be on topic for Security SE" CreationDate="2012-08-14T19:17:45.497" UserId="62544" />
  <row Id="6731" PostId="3540" Score="0" Text="From the faq: IT Security - Stack Exchange is for Information Security professionals to discuss&#xA;protecting assets from threats and vulnerabilities." CreationDate="2012-08-14T19:25:21.057" UserId="62544" />
  <row Id="6735" PostId="3540" Score="0" Text="It appears I stand corrected on my example. Luckily I did qualify it." CreationDate="2012-08-15T06:40:29.263" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6705" PostId="3541" Score="5" Text="+1 - can faithfully reproduce here; my guess is because the notification bar is now gone in preference to the supercollidermultidropdown box (which is great for registered users, not so much for anonymous users)" CreationDate="2012-08-13T05:21:12.723" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6706" PostId="3541" Score="0" Text="+1 for &quot;supercollidermultidropdown&quot;" CreationDate="2012-08-13T07:04:07.900" UserId="115189" />
  <row Id="6708" PostId="3541" Score="3" Text="I guess the announcement for this was lost amongst all those other announcements we get when they make changes." CreationDate="2012-08-13T09:49:32.420" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6707" PostId="3542" Score="3" Text="Pity in a way. Low usage or not, at least we had more of an argument in telling people to read the FAQ. It's one thing to not do it. It's something else altogether for people to blatantly ignore a big banner telling them to do so." CreationDate="2012-08-13T09:47:53.000" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6709" PostId="3542" Score="0" Text="I can't find the reference now but my understanding is that the team want to discourage slapping people in the face with the faq." CreationDate="2012-08-13T11:26:34.210" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6710" PostId="3542" Score="0" Text="And we, or at least some of us, want to do the opposite. I'd hate to see SF get as pathetically sloppy as SO is." CreationDate="2012-08-13T14:46:53.100" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6711" PostId="3542" Score="2" Text="From a recent blog post. `Tired of seeing crappy questions? Close them. Irritated by lousy answers? Down-vote them. Depressed by the meaningless junk that some people post whenever they see an empty text field? Delete it! Embarrassed by poor grammar or formatting? Edit it! See someone being rude? Flag it!`" CreationDate="2012-08-13T15:49:59.867" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6712" PostId="3542" Score="4" Text="Base on that it would appear that we may as well not have an FAQ and all the effort that went into editing it was for nothing." CreationDate="2012-08-13T19:59:24.717" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6715" PostId="3543" Score="2" Text="This is relevant too http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/87031/reset-votes-on-migrated-questions" CreationDate="2012-08-13T21:11:57.083" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6713" PostId="3544" Score="0" Text="So you close the question then instruct them to copy &amp; paste?" CreationDate="2012-08-13T20:56:45.987" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6714" PostId="3544" Score="1" Text="@BrentPabst:something like this. Welcome to Serverfault! Your question is off topic for Serverfault. It may be on topic for [Superuser](http://superuser.com) but please check their [faq](http://superuser.com/faq) and [search](http://superuser.com/search) their site before asking." CreationDate="2012-08-13T20:59:55.687" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6716" PostId="3544" Score="5" Text="@BrentPabst It generally depends on the question - If something is a real gem but not on-topic for SF a migration can be a good thing, but for the most part the stuff we close around here is so awful it shouldn't be inflicted on other sites." CreationDate="2012-08-13T21:17:55.623" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6717" PostId="3544" Score="0" Text="Works for me..." CreationDate="2012-08-13T21:19:52.067" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6736" PostId="3544" Score="0" Text="I could see this working but would prefer to see the questions deleted, rather than just closed. The current method of deleting by votes means that it's very rare for questions to be deleted. Having those questions around, whether closed or not, just seems to attract more like them. Cleaning up has become much more important since the FAQ was effectively made null and void." CreationDate="2012-08-15T06:45:23.563" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6739" PostId="3544" Score="1" Text="One other potential problem with migration is that (I believe) the migrated question keeps the age it originally had, so is liable to be overlooked by anyone who sorts questions by age - because it suddenly appears in the middle of a bunch of questions you've already looked at.  (Is there a better way of seeing new questions that doesn't have this problem?)" CreationDate="2012-08-15T23:00:09.520" UserId="94065" />
  <row Id="6718" PostId="3545" Score="1" Text="This seems reasonable - [tag:mx-record] should probably be the master tag for consistency with [tag:a-record] et. al." CreationDate="2012-08-13T22:41:25.977" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6719" PostId="3545" Score="1" Text="Also merge [a-record] and [arecord]" CreationDate="2012-08-13T22:41:38.897" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="6720" PostId="3546" Score="0" Text="mx-&gt; mx-record and arecord -&gt; a-record are done" CreationDate="2012-08-13T22:53:16.167" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="6741" PostId="3550" Score="3" Text="Related http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1745 http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1285 and http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/tagged/design Apparently the design team has high contrast monitors and good eyesight. The look of the sight has been an outstanding &quot;issue&quot; for a long time, nothing has changed, when asked about it &quot;they&quot; have said it's on their list (along with all the other suggestions that have been ignored)." CreationDate="2012-08-17T15:29:23.560" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6743" PostId="3550" Score="1" Text="Or, it's because our designer is scared to touch the trilogy ..." CreationDate="2012-08-17T17:49:53.667" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="6745" PostId="3550" Score="1" Text="@Zypher Fair enough, but don't say that &quot;we're looking at it&quot; or similarly misleading statements (not you personally; as a figure of speech). I'd disagree with &quot;We're not changing it, evar&quot;, but it irks me when people say one thing and do another, just as bad as the &quot;suggestion box&quot; black hole." CreationDate="2012-08-18T02:46:34.283" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6747" PostId="3550" Score="0" Text="@chris soory that was in humor. It is on the design teams list to eventually look at the trillogy" CreationDate="2012-08-18T04:09:24.213" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="6748" PostId="3550" Score="1" Text="Yeah... That's the standard line of bull *stuff* we've been hearing for years now. This is why commitments only ever mean something when they have a date attached. =[" CreationDate="2012-08-18T04:40:31.587" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6742" PostId="3552" Score="1" Text="Using the Data Explorer (http://data.stackexchange.com) and our API (https://api.stackexchange.com/docs)  are much better ways to go about this." CreationDate="2012-08-17T17:48:38.987" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="6744" PostId="3552" Score="0" Text="@Zypher looking at the `/reputation` page has got to be the easiest way to see, and it's semi-live data instead of the weekly data dump." CreationDate="2012-08-18T02:44:20.233" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6746" PostId="3552" Score="0" Text="@chris the api is live (but not thaat easy) after the sql 2012 migration next weekend data.se will be live as well" CreationDate="2012-08-18T04:07:50.533" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="6749" PostId="3552" Score="0" Text="@Zypher Oh, didn't know about that. I need to read up on all that." CreationDate="2012-08-18T04:41:26.967" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6755" PostId="3552" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Weekly?  data.SE hasn't been updated for two months!" CreationDate="2012-08-23T07:10:15.850" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="7314" PostId="3552" Score="0" Text="It hasn't been updated for like 5 months .." CreationDate="2012-10-23T13:47:13.327" UserId="44072" />
  <row Id="6764" PostId="3553" Score="0" Text="When I ran that query it gave results that conflict with what is shown in my rep history, including an entry of 270 that doesn't appear in my history, nor which I have any recollection of." CreationDate="2012-08-26T06:51:02.220" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6750" PostId="3558" Score="0" Text="Cool, I pinged the OP and he's still looking for an answer.  So I'll let this meta question stew for a little while to see if anyone objects, and flag for migration if not." CreationDate="2012-08-21T19:53:04.567" UserId="17794" />
  <row Id="6751" PostId="3558" Score="2" Text="no need to stew - go ahead and move it." CreationDate="2012-08-21T19:54:18.230" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="6752" PostId="3558" Score="0" Text="@dsolimano you can move it over - worst that will happen is everyone eyes it funny and backs away because it's Domino." CreationDate="2012-08-21T20:57:16.137" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6756" PostId="3562" Score="0" Text="this should be wrote in the FAQ:)" CreationDate="2012-08-24T01:57:21.507" UserId="132124" />
  <row Id="6757" PostId="3562" Score="4" Text="It probably should but the sad fact is that almost nobody ever reads the FAQ." CreationDate="2012-08-24T02:03:10.433" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6758" PostId="3563" Score="1" Text="It look almost obvious when you read it but really, who would ever have guessed? Maybe that's another gem buried too deep in all this wonderfully clear and helpful documentation the site has." CreationDate="2012-08-25T04:09:42.830" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6759" PostId="3563" Score="1" Text="The search operations are documented on the are on the search help page which you will see after performing a search, and clicking on `See our search tips!` http://serverfault.com/search" CreationDate="2012-08-25T06:52:15.143" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="6760" PostId="3564" Score="0" Text="Was this a one off or is it ongoing ?" CreationDate="2012-08-25T22:55:36.260" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6761" PostId="3564" Score="0" Text="This is a one off for me but I seldom review edits and can't recall if I've rejected one before or not. Accepting edits worked fine." CreationDate="2012-08-25T22:56:44.923" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6762" PostId="3564" Score="0" Text="My guess is someone wrote a user script that does something that they're wanting to avoid; that's the only thing I can make sense of the message. And something probably went wrong with its validation." CreationDate="2012-08-26T01:40:22.933" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6763" PostId="3564" Score="0" Text="@Mark, I suspect you're correct on both counts. Of course it's not possible to reliably determine whether a button was click was caused by a human or code and any attempt to do so is doomed to failure." CreationDate="2012-08-26T02:18:34.427" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6765" PostId="3564" Score="0" Text="It's popping up all over http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/144944/trying-to-reject-a-suggested-edit-with-a-custom-reason-throws-incorrect-error-ab" CreationDate="2012-08-26T07:43:28.190" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6766" PostId="3564" Score="0" Text="Ok, it's not just me then. Let's leave it to the devs to sort out." CreationDate="2012-08-26T11:29:05.857" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6768" PostId="3565" Score="0" Text="That community guy gets credit for everything. Also blame." CreationDate="2012-08-27T14:51:38.273" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6774" PostId="3565" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 When did we stop blaming **you** for everything?" CreationDate="2012-08-27T19:35:13.323" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="6775" PostId="3565" Score="0" Text="@Ward I only accept the blame for the dead bodies." CreationDate="2012-08-27T19:42:54.653" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6767" PostId="3566" Score="0" Text="Thanks, didn't realize there was a distinction between the tag and the tag wiki." CreationDate="2012-08-27T12:56:05.653" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6769" PostId="3568" Score="2" Text="Wouldn't it make more sense just to link it, regardless of whether or not it was scaled?  This at least provides you with a direct link to the image in a new browser window.  Plus, a JavaScript snippet to check an image size is not that much work. Hence the &quot;feature request&quot; tag." CreationDate="2012-08-27T15:47:04.867" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6771" PostId="3568" Score="2" Text="@BrentPabst things that make sense? You *must* be new here!" CreationDate="2012-08-27T16:05:54.363" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6779" PostId="3568" Score="0" Text="Coding that is trivial and shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes. Knowing the display size, it's a simple matter of reading the image size and comparing the two. A display link can be attached to the image if the display size is smaller than the image size. Let's face it, the rest of the Internet does this stuff easily enough." CreationDate="2012-08-28T21:29:02.853" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6789" PostId="3568" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Trivial or not, they haven't changed code like that in 3+ years..." CreationDate="2012-08-29T02:15:22.933" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6854" PostId="3568" Score="1" Text="Extra work? Oh no we can't allow that? So I guess we can't have the server create a FEW common display sizes and have client side select one of these that best fits the div width as known at DOM inspection time." CreationDate="2012-09-03T00:06:32.647" UserId="98296" />
  <row Id="6770" PostId="3569" Score="7" Text="It's worth noting that none of this is described in the [Editing Help](http://stackoverflow.com/editing-help#images) markdown documentation. So if you think you've missed a memo you haven't -- the memo was never issued." CreationDate="2012-08-27T15:59:17.230" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6772" PostId="3569" Score="2" Text="Well damn, yea that would make the most sense.  Just sorta wished this was automatic.  At least maybe we should try to get the markdown samples/examples updated?" CreationDate="2012-08-27T16:07:35.123" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6773" PostId="3569" Score="2" Text="Actually I think making them auto link all the time is sensible too, this is just the current workaround :)" CreationDate="2012-08-27T16:11:02.233" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6778" PostId="3569" Score="2" Text="Is there any real reason why we have virtually no useful documentation for how the SE sites work? Documentation on *other* SE sites doesn't count. Nobody should need to visit another site to find out how theirs works. Perhaps you can use a cattle prod on somebody, although I suspect I'm not the first to suggest such a thing." CreationDate="2012-08-28T21:23:24.097" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6863" PostId="3569" Score="0" Text="In order to use a smaller image for the inline display but link to the larger version, you need to do this:[![enter image description here][2]][1]&#xA;....&#xA;....&#xA;  [1]: http://i.stack.imgur.com/sKK1i.png&#xA;  [2]: http://i.stack.imgur.com/sKK1is.png" CreationDate="2012-09-05T07:18:30.790" UserId="96341" />
  <row Id="6864" PostId="3569" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers FWIW I raised the need to update the image portion of our Markdown editing help page with the powers that be.  Making that documentation more visible should probably be an item too." CreationDate="2012-09-05T15:50:30.827" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6871" PostId="3569" Score="0" Text="@vortaq7, on behalf of all those who care, thank you." CreationDate="2012-09-05T22:56:46.423" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6777" PostId="3570" Score="1" Text="Your retagging efforts are appreciated, not least because they drag some old crud to the surface where we can cast close votes, but can you slow down just a little please. New questions are struggling to stick their heads up past the edited ones." CreationDate="2012-08-28T21:10:14.053" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6776" PostId="3571" Score="0" Text="While that explains why the rejection didn't work it doesn't even begin to explain the error message, so they must have screwed something else up as well." CreationDate="2012-08-28T08:03:33.633" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6780" PostId="3572" Score="0" Text="Edit with extreme prejudice. Spare them not for their much crying." CreationDate="2012-08-28T22:49:26.953" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6781" PostId="3572" Score="1" Text="It doesn't bug me so edit all you want.  I go directly to serverfault.com/questions which uses the sort options I set which is almost always 'Newest'." CreationDate="2012-08-28T22:58:42.647" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="6782" PostId="3572" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache that's my default view too, when I'm not in *what-new-garbage-needs-to-be-attended-to-today* mode, so I can't say it bothers me either, but as it turns out, I am not the whole world (as incredibly unjust as that is). :)" CreationDate="2012-08-28T23:55:23.567" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6797" PostId="3578" Score="1" Text="Is the default view 15 answers per page?  That would definitely seem to suggest smaller batches might be a better approach." CreationDate="2012-08-29T11:08:47.073" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6799" PostId="3578" Score="1" Text="@HopelessNoob, It's more than 15. I'm currently doing a course, so checked on a couple of machines that I'm certain have never been to SF before to ensure I got the defaults. On one there were 30 questions displayed and on another there were 37. FWIW, they each ran different screen resolutions." CreationDate="2012-08-29T23:37:00.553" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7013" PostId="3579" Score="0" Text="It seems that the main objection people have is that the updated questions show up on the front page. Maybe the solution is to have a &quot;minor update&quot; checkbox that has the question skip the front page when it's checked. If there's fear of abuse, have all minor updates be reviewed regardless of rep." CreationDate="2012-09-25T03:02:12.277" UserId="68739" />
  <row Id="6822" PostId="3580" Score="0" Text="Asking for benchmarks is an exercise in futility. Benchmarking is your responsibility, as only you can reliably test *your* workload in *your* environment. Anybody can give you numbers, but they won't matter a lick of difference to you." CreationDate="2012-08-30T19:24:36.063" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="6796" PostId="3581" Score="0" Text="Thanks for this explanation, this clarifies it a bit for me. I still don't quite see why this would be considered a &quot;product recommendation&quot;, as you state in your comment below the original question, but I see how this misunderstanding of the FAQ was caused: In the environment I work in, it is the sysadmins who choose and install the compilers that the system's users then use to compile their HPC jobs." CreationDate="2012-08-29T10:30:18.587" UserId="67343" />
  <row Id="6808" PostId="3581" Score="0" Text="@jstarek, allowing a sysadmin to choose dev tools is just as stupid as allowing devs to dictate how to configure a server. The two should stick to their own fields. Some of us are both but we probably understand better than most why it should be that way." CreationDate="2012-08-30T09:47:40.067" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6814" PostId="3584" Score="1" Text="It's SBS, isn't it broken by definition?" CreationDate="2012-08-30T15:09:05.523" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6800" PostId="3585" Score="0" Text="No dice, just tried it in IE (which should on its own indicate that it has a completely empty cache and browser history) and I'm still seeing the bad redirect" CreationDate="2012-08-30T00:44:41.517" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6801" PostId="3585" Score="0" Text="Also just tried on the iPhone and iPad, both of which have never been to that particular tag before" CreationDate="2012-08-30T00:45:44.073" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6802" PostId="3585" Score="0" Text="I just tried it on two different servers with Lynx, no redirect... I'll try my phone." CreationDate="2012-08-30T00:48:43.103" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6803" PostId="3585" Score="0" Text="Just tried from my Android, still no redirect. Network proxy?" CreationDate="2012-08-30T00:50:54.020" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6804" PostId="3585" Score="0" Text="Yes... it could be a caching proxy on our network..." CreationDate="2012-08-30T00:57:22.573" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6805" PostId="3585" Score="0" Text="Nope, it's not our network cache" CreationDate="2012-08-30T01:09:26.140" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6806" PostId="3585" Score="1" Text="Unofficial update: Something somewhere was cached. General consensus in chat was it could have been something cached at Stack Exchange, as it was unreliably reproduced by different people. After nearly 2 hours everything has corrected itself." CreationDate="2012-08-30T02:05:17.140" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6809" PostId="3585" Score="0" Text="I've had similar issues at home and the problem turned out to be the cache on my firewall/proxy, which is so easy to overlook." CreationDate="2012-08-30T09:51:05.740" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6810" PostId="3586" Score="1" Text="You're not retarded, at least not for this reason. I also struggled to find out how to change my avatar, as it's anything but obvious." CreationDate="2012-08-30T11:53:30.767" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6812" PostId="3587" Score="1" Text="Mostly Duplicate: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/81487/rewarding-helpful-commentors" CreationDate="2012-08-30T12:40:12.157" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6813" PostId="3587" Score="1" Text="Sorry - I did search before posting but only on meta.serverfault.com" CreationDate="2012-08-30T14:37:00.630" UserId="105369" />
  <row Id="6816" PostId="3587" Score="2" Text="Don't apologize for not being able to find things on the mess that mSO is. ;]" CreationDate="2012-08-30T17:41:13.660" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6821" PostId="3587" Score="2" Text="And don't apologise for thinking that issues affecting SF should be posted on MSF." CreationDate="2012-08-30T19:21:14.177" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6811" PostId="3589" Score="3" Text="Of course sometimes snark is totally warranted and deserved. No really bad post should go unpunished." CreationDate="2012-08-30T11:56:23.460" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6819" PostId="3589" Score="2" Text="@JohnGardeniers  Indeed.  All things in moderation.  Not to mention that the best part of awful questions is reading the snarky/funny comments anyhow; it's the only way some of these questions have any value whatsoever." CreationDate="2012-08-30T18:25:48.803" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6815" PostId="3595" Score="0" Text="I can see this on questions that don't have an accepted answer after a couple of years.  I'd be hesitant to close anything that has an accepted answer as it must have helped someone and add to the SA body of knowledge if you will." CreationDate="2012-08-30T17:39:48.747" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6817" PostId="3595" Score="0" Text="Yeah. I should clarify - I'm talking about questions that are at least a year old, have no upvoted answers or no accepted answer. High view questions would be exempted as well." CreationDate="2012-08-30T17:48:20.783" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="6820" PostId="3595" Score="3" Text="There's already a script that cleans up low view, unanswered questions.  I'd be hesitant about closing questions with no upvoted answers, because that doesn't mean there's no valuable information in them.  Hit-and-run users are far less likely to upvote an answer (incapable), and a perfectly brilliant, highly useful answer to a question with few views could well get no upvotes." CreationDate="2012-08-30T19:06:31.360" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6824" PostId="3595" Score="3" Text="I don't think that questions with no upvoted answers have no value, the main issue there is the paucity of voting on SF." CreationDate="2012-08-30T19:44:29.703" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6818" PostId="3597" Score="1" Text="`there has been a massive upswing in people using Server Fault as &quot;Tech Support for the Intertubes&quot; lately`  Also, I moved into Systems Administration to get away from having to answer obvious questions from morons (or people to lazy to read the damn documentation) and not to field those questions from the global community." CreationDate="2012-08-30T18:18:31.340" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6823" PostId="3597" Score="4" Text="@HopelessN00b Your recruiter lied to you if you thought that being a SysAd would get you away from stupid/lazy questions..." CreationDate="2012-08-30T19:31:14.323" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="6826" PostId="3597" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo  I should have phrased that better... I meant from the user base.  I expected all the morons asking questions to be management, and all the lazy people to be asking questions to be... well, me.  Admittedly, that hasn't worked out very well, but still, show of hands - how many SAs got into this to answer dumb and/or lazy questions from the internet...?" CreationDate="2012-08-30T19:54:08.297" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6831" PostId="3598" Score="1" Text="Telling the developers they need a good kicking is such a great way to get them to fix something." CreationDate="2012-08-31T04:22:57.233" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="6832" PostId="3598" Score="0" Text="@Michael, are you seriously suggesting that they would fix it if I kept my well formed views to myself? Have a look at all the things they *haven't* fixed. Why are devs so sacred? We say the same kind of thing to sysadmins, for the same kind of reasons." CreationDate="2012-08-31T06:27:51.373" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6833" PostId="3598" Score="1" Text="Expressing an opinion on the quality of a work product is much different than expressing an opinion on the quality of the person who produced it." CreationDate="2012-08-31T06:44:57.180" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="6853" PostId="3598" Score="1" Text="For an apropriet ... Gratuity ... The devs could be kicked" CreationDate="2012-09-02T05:42:16.670" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="6855" PostId="3598" Score="0" Text="Having had my rear end kicked on more than one occasion when I was an apprentice I can vouch for it's effectiveness in creating a better tradesman. It's a good learning tool that needs to be applied *a lot* more. As for the gratuity, all I can offer is my thanks." CreationDate="2012-09-03T07:15:34.003" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6827" PostId="3599" Score="5" Text="If you think SF is busy, go see Stack Overflow. It's positively quiet here in comparison." CreationDate="2012-08-30T22:29:37.910" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="6828" PostId="3599" Score="0" Text="Related see: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/03/respect-the-community-your-own-and-others/ - Scope Gerrymandering: attempting to micromanage what’s on-topic in order to avoid overlap with other sites or simply drive away users seen as undesirable." CreationDate="2012-08-30T23:43:11.650" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="6829" PostId="3599" Score="5" Text="Have you considered that not being able to answer many questions may be a hint that you should consider broadening your skills?  Perhaps you should use some of those other questions as a learning opportunity to research a subject you are not familiar with.  Many times I have read a question and then decided to spend some time actually learning how something worked, so I could provide an answer." CreationDate="2012-08-30T23:48:59.050" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="6830" PostId="3599" Score="1" Text="We have enough trouble keeping people on topic now." CreationDate="2012-08-31T01:04:42.047" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6842" PostId="3599" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache the blog article targets question-writers. Not people like me who mainly answer questions. I really like to answer more of them - lack of knowledge is not my problem here. It is lack of time to find these questions." CreationDate="2012-08-31T20:44:53.760" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="6840" PostId="3600" Score="0" Text="Understand me right - SF is great. But currently the only way to get a proper answer is to set a bounty to a question. I do not think that this is normal." CreationDate="2012-08-31T20:38:48.807" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="6849" PostId="3600" Score="1" Text="@nils &quot;But currently the only way to get a proper answer is to set a bounty to a question.&quot; [Citation Needed]" CreationDate="2012-09-01T15:01:03.077" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6850" PostId="3600" Score="0" Text="@DJPon3 Citation? This is selv-experience. Perhaps [my questions](http://serverfault.com/users/77281/nils?tab=bounties&amp;sort=offered)  are too complex (one of this was not even my question)? This seems to be a common behaviour on every site - first scan the bounty-questions - then go for the rest. So a bounty question gets more attention (which is intended) but on SF I have the feeling that there is not enough attention for non-bounty-questions." CreationDate="2012-09-01T20:14:29.267" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="6852" PostId="3600" Score="0" Text="@nils Your experiences are not the whole world. While I'm quite happy to collect a bounty for a question should I provide an answer and there's one to be had, I've personally never bothered looking in the bounty queue for questions to answer, and from the answer patterns of many of the long term regulars, I suspect I'm far from alone." CreationDate="2012-09-01T21:25:48.340" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="6841" PostId="3601" Score="0" Text="Currently I will not mark these off topic, since they are on topic (e.g. on SF AND UL)." CreationDate="2012-08-31T20:40:20.460" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="6838" PostId="3602" Score="0" Text="This is pretty much the problem which I tried to describe. I can narrow it down with tags. But then I will miss interesting questions and answers that are not in my favourite tags. So my idea was to redirect more traffic to other sites." CreationDate="2012-08-31T20:29:37.103" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="6845" PostId="3602" Score="1" Text="@Nils yeah, probably not an ideal solution. Shuffling more questions to other sites won't help with all the lousy questions that already exist anyway.  You can always do a bunch of different tag searches and sort them by newest to get a reasonable filter of the new questions in your favorite tags.  May as well use browser tabs for this kind of thing, since they already exist." CreationDate="2012-08-31T21:55:31.127" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6839" PostId="3603" Score="0" Text="Is there a statistic across all sites for the current time to answer? My guess is that this time is pretty bad on SF, because many people just don`t see the question (in time)." CreationDate="2012-08-31T20:37:08.093" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="6843" PostId="3603" Score="0" Text="Not sure about a time-to-answer number, but SF only gets about 130 questions/day, and 83% of what we have has at least one upvoted answer (http://stackexchange.com/sites/#traffic) -- Esoteric questions (or *bad* ones that slip past the usual close voters) tend to languish though." CreationDate="2012-08-31T20:49:33.010" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6851" PostId="3603" Score="0" Text="The statistics seem to say that my assumption is wrong here.&#xA;&#xA;So let`s get back to &quot;off topic&quot; - since tightening the &quot;on topic&quot; is out of question for at least three moderators here - I take your answer as &quot;You may flag questions with non-professional background, that fit into other sites as off-topic and name the site it should be moved to. The moderators will be happy to do so (even for closed questions).&quot; right?" CreationDate="2012-09-01T20:18:55.503" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="6860" PostId="3605" Score="0" Text="A common problem we see is people reading only part of the FAQ, usually that part that, when taken on its own or out of context, appears to support their claim to validity." CreationDate="2012-09-04T21:41:51.183" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6861" PostId="3605" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Understandable. Maybe for a blog post that question would be a bit more appropriate?" CreationDate="2012-09-04T21:55:41.567" UserId="23513" />
  <row Id="6862" PostId="3605" Score="0" Text="Server Fault is a Q&amp;A site. Whether your question is appropriate to a blog somewhere or not I cannot say." CreationDate="2012-09-04T23:00:26.580" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6856" PostId="3606" Score="2" Text="Distilled truth only comes from bottles, preferably over ice." CreationDate="2012-09-04T21:05:52.657" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6857" PostId="3606" Score="0" Text="Would converting to a CW help? Or is it just something to be left alone?" CreationDate="2012-09-04T21:06:00.343" UserId="23513" />
  <row Id="6858" PostId="3606" Score="0" Text="@Luke: probably not http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/08/the-future-of-community-wiki/" CreationDate="2012-09-04T21:08:45.663" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6859" PostId="3606" Score="0" Text="Understood. Thanks for the input" CreationDate="2012-09-04T21:10:30.603" UserId="23513" />
  <row Id="6883" PostId="3608" Score="0" Text="Hm maybe show the subquestions (the headers in the answer) and maybe even link to them (if SO markdown lets you do that? Dunno). I always try to break it down like that as in http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/413/delete-votes-and-you" CreationDate="2012-09-07T12:41:26.097" UserId="90257" />
  <row Id="6884" PostId="3608" Score="0" Text="@BenBrocka I know I can link to them if I split each subheading into an answer... not sure if &lt;a name=xxx&gt; style anchors work, I'll have to test that :)" CreationDate="2012-09-07T16:16:17.937" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12354" PostId="3609" Score="0" Text="After viewing some of the exchanges that go on around SE, I suggest modifying &quot;Nobody on this site knows your environment as well as than you do.&quot; to &quot;Nobody on this site can see your system.&quot; Questions that seem to annoy the old-timers most are those who are doing or experiencing something for the first time. They don't know the terms or the rules and it just seems to be so often that they're punished for that ignorance. No one wants to do someone's homework for them or help a body shop mess up healthcare.gov but isn't there some kind of gentler introduction than &quot;closed as off topic&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-02-10T20:30:49.567" UserId="126117" />
  <row Id="12359" PostId="3609" Score="0" Text="@lonstar I've made a wording change based on your comment. I'm not sure how we can be &quot;gentler&quot; though - A question which is so vague as to be unanswerable is a *bad question*, and should be placed *On Hold* using the &quot;Too Broad&quot; or &quot;Unclear what you're asking&quot; reason until such time as it is improved. I'm sorry if that seems harsh, but that's explicitly what we're supposed to be doing with the &quot;On Hold&quot; / &quot;Close&quot; system. The bar is already set so low - I'm really against lowering it further (just shut down SF at that point because it's a 100% overlap with SU)." CreationDate="2014-02-10T21:41:56.277" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12360" PostId="3609" Score="0" Text="@lonstar: Considerable time and effort has gone into making the close reasons and the wording that surrounds them as pink and fluffy as possible. There is a [help], a tour and [about]. There are excellent Q&amp;A like the one above yet people mange to avoid it all. If people still can't ask a topical question then there isn't much more than we can reasonably do to help them." CreationDate="2014-02-10T22:16:29.063" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12363" PostId="3609" Score="3" Text="On `If you don't know what's relevant that's OK` you mention popping into chat after the question is asked.  There has been multiple times I've done the opposite.  I've gone to a site (granted I get the new member bonus) and then pop into their chat room if I'm fuzzy about my question there being on-topic.  I've had times where the regulars/mods on those SE sites will say &quot;reword your title as...and change your focus to...&quot; and I'll do as they say and it ends up staying on-topic that way.  It shows them up front to help watch for my question too from runaway VTCs just cause I'm new." CreationDate="2014-02-11T14:07:08.543" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="6873" PostId="3611" Score="0" Text="Not sure you can put something in the FAQ if it can't be decisive which it appears we are not.  Maybe we need to come up with a list of the proper way to ask questions regarding pre-release code. Much like the `How do I ask a question` section." CreationDate="2012-09-06T01:43:57.250" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6876" PostId="3611" Score="2" Text="I'm not sure it's worth putting anything in the FAQ any more, especially now that we've been told we're not supposed to slap people around the ears with it. Quite frankly, it's become about as useful as an appendix - left over from ancient times but no longer serving a useful purpose." CreationDate="2012-09-06T10:00:13.983" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6865" PostId="3613" Score="0" Text="What about Linux (the kernel) or other open-source projects with no official &quot;support&quot;?  We do as a matter of practice take questions on software for which the only support channel is &quot;Ask the intertubes&quot;..." CreationDate="2012-09-05T16:23:57.043" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6866" PostId="3613" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 This isn't meant to address whether or not something already released is valid for the site, but rather when something that is on the cusp of release is valid. In the case of the Linux kernel, for example, it's &quot;released&quot; when Linus commits it to Stable, isn't it? Most &quot;free software&quot; is in unstable or testing one day, and then stable the next. Since there isn't need for marketing fanfare, this is pretty cut and dry." CreationDate="2012-09-05T16:28:57.440" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="6867" PostId="3613" Score="0" Text="True, but FreeBSD (as an example) issues Alphas, Betas and Release Candidates prior to cutting an official OS release -- those are &quot;on the cusp&quot; (often there's no change between the last RC and the production release), widely distributed, and &quot;supported&quot; the same way any FreeBSD release is, but I wouldn't run one in production..." CreationDate="2012-09-05T16:32:48.900" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6868" PostId="3613" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 I use OEL and get kernel support - but I know what you mean ;)" CreationDate="2012-09-05T16:36:12.233" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="6869" PostId="3613" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 I don't know a lot about the *BSD community, but surely releases can't be a whole lot different than other *nix ones. Regardless of what the BSD community calls it, I assume that one single set of bits is considered the &quot;production&quot; code for a given release (analogous to Linux stable repos). Is this not the case?" CreationDate="2012-09-05T17:02:04.620" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="6870" PostId="3613" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra multiple bits in some cases, and &quot;HEAD&quot; (whatever's in CVS) in OpenBSD's case (Canadian FREAKS!) - but yes.  Your edit addresses my concern (in many ways better than my answer did) -- it's the *intent* that something go into production that matters (i.e. &quot;Just because they distributed a CD of Release Candidate 1 doesn't mean we think you should be putting it on mission-critical systems&quot;)" CreationDate="2012-09-05T19:49:50.890" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6875" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="What about things such as MSDN versions of say Windows Server, which are made available so that we can work with it to prepare for it in a production environment when it is eventually officially released to the public? The way I see it these are systems we must deal with at the professional level, often having to build entire networks of such systems, yet which don't meet your definition of professional. Sorry but I believe you've taken too narrow a view in regards to what is professional, possibly because you don't work in those environments." CreationDate="2012-09-06T09:58:09.620" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6877" PostId="3614" Score="1" Text="@John the problem with RCs and such is that they have the pesky habit of not working the same after release. If they're in the RC or beta stage and you're seeing odd behavior, you should file a bug report with Microsoft (or whoever), not post about it on SF. That's what the whole Beta and RC phase is for, right? If we take questions on prerelease code, we'll amass a bunch of q&amp;as that are *close* but may not be accurate or relevant to the finished product." CreationDate="2012-09-06T10:24:37.950" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="6878" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers That's an interesting point (albeit a little Microsoft-specific) -- I would say if an MS Release Candidate is widely distributed enough and generating enough quasi-production interest it should receive a special tag ([tag:Windows-2008-server-RC1] or something similar) as a general-case exception because MS is special..." CreationDate="2012-09-06T16:07:29.023" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6885" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 yeah the difference between a MS RC/CTP/DeveloperPreview or beta and freebsd-current is that the beta is long lived, and with the Windows8/Server2012, many MSFT downloads mentioned support for particular pre-RTM releases, while current is a point in time. As far as what is professional, yes don't install the latest freebsd current or windows RC on the important servers. However, depending on the nature of your job/shop DO install it on a dev/test/qa environment and possible your workstation. Try to port your software to the next OS before its released." CreationDate="2012-09-07T17:40:46.220" UserId="9019" />
  <row Id="6872" PostId="3615" Score="0" Text="I agree. Almost along the lines of being Technology Early Adopters. We used to BETA test new versions of ERP packages all the time, but as Professionals we knew whether or not it was ready for use in production. There isn't a firm line, its very gray." CreationDate="2012-09-06T01:42:40.730" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6874" PostId="3615" Score="4" Text="@Brent, in one role I was tasked with getting pre-release versions of Windows so that the software developers could start working with it as early as possible to ensure the software had computability with it by the time it became a release version." CreationDate="2012-09-06T01:51:12.750" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6880" PostId="3616" Score="0" Text="Definitely this.  Just because it doesn't have the &quot;production seal of approval&quot; from Redmond, doesn't mean that it's not being tested, evaluated, and pummeled by professionals looking to put it through its paces." CreationDate="2012-09-07T05:50:29.863" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="6881" PostId="3616" Score="0" Text="Whilst I agree with this the unfortunate thing is we don't attract that kind of professional. The foremost experts who are doing this in their labs will have support contracts and they'll reach for them rather than turning to the internet. How we change that I don't really have any ideas about." CreationDate="2012-09-07T07:43:16.563" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6882" PostId="3616" Score="1" Text="The &quot;danger&quot; in this is that answers to beta software problems might not be correct for the RTM version. This would require a high amount of diligence with tags to show that these questions are for betas or RCs. We already have a hard enough time keeping tags straight." CreationDate="2012-09-07T10:40:20.960" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="6886" PostId="3616" Score="2" Text="@lain: that may be true about software from Redmond or other big software vendors, but when we look at the OSS side of things, the support infrastructure isn't so clear-cut and centralised. Questions about immature technology (like `btrfs`) should be encouraged." CreationDate="2012-09-09T15:22:03.427" UserId="55663" />
  <row Id="6887" PostId="3620" Score="0" Text="I kind of thought we'd already dealt with this an wish that gWaldo had read http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3262/canonical-tag-for-canonical-questions before embarking on the work he did. That's why we have a question with the canonical answers listed." CreationDate="2012-09-10T09:55:18.787" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6890" PostId="3620" Score="1" Text="Those questions tagged &quot;canonical&quot; are only on Meta.SF. There shouldn't be a &quot;canonical&quot; tag on the main site as it would be a meta-tag. that question is tagged as such because it's discussing canonical Question(s), though it's listed as one as well, something I'm not too hot on." CreationDate="2012-09-10T13:11:30.053" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6894" PostId="3620" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/canonical" CreationDate="2012-09-10T18:43:06.803" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6910" PostId="3620" Score="0" Text="I wish I'd seen that post before doing that work, but as @John Gardeniers pointed out in that thread, without the tag, the only way to discover these questions we consider Canonical is to 1) know about the meta discussion, and then browse it hoping for the topic that you're looking for, and finally clicking on that link." CreationDate="2012-09-11T19:01:20.887" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="6911" PostId="3620" Score="0" Text="I was attempting to help make useful information more accessible, but if my efforts were unwelcome, nuke as you see fit.  Regardless, I still look forward to seeing this information made more accessible.  I mean that with every possible sense of honesty and sincerity." CreationDate="2012-09-11T19:04:33.137" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="6912" PostId="3620" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo, that is why I wanted other people's input instead of following my first instinct. I really wasn't sure which of us were wrong on this one." CreationDate="2012-09-11T22:49:39.347" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6913" PostId="3620" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers From what I read, it seems that you and I are in complete agreement (with several other in support) about the solution, with the main point of contention being some people's dislike of a meta-tag. Is the contention being brought up is that I went ahead and did it without consent?" CreationDate="2012-09-12T14:49:45.430" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="6920" PostId="3620" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo, &quot;without consent&quot; isn't what I was talking about. It was really about whether or not such a question should have the `canonical` tag. As an aside, I believe only diamonds should be able to apply certain tags, which is already the case for some tags, and personally feel the `canonical` tag should be on that list. This is because I believe the value of such tags is greatly diminished if not tightly controlled. Some of us have been around long enough to do a fair judgment call but right now I'm not aware of any impediment to a new poster using that tag as they like." CreationDate="2012-09-12T23:53:42.957" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6921" PostId="3620" Score="0" Text="I have no problem with that tag being for mod use only, but is my not being a mod an issue? If changes I (or anyone else) make are determined to be 'for the worst', it can be rolled back. If I (/they) get obnoxious about redoing changes, restrictions/banning happens." CreationDate="2012-09-13T00:05:43.443" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="6922" PostId="3620" Score="0" Text="In re-reading things, is it just that one question that the tag is being called into question, the application of the tag, or the tag in general?  We've touched upon all three." CreationDate="2012-09-13T00:13:49.043" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="6923" PostId="3620" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo, I only came across this one one question and didn't go out looking for other examples, so can't say whether they exist or not." CreationDate="2012-09-13T00:27:54.937" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6888" PostId="3621" Score="0" Text="I think all the canonical questions listed in the meta question have been tagged as such." CreationDate="2012-09-10T10:05:26.483" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6900" PostId="3627" Score="0" Text="Maybe you should use a different example question because the one you used is a clear-cut programming question." CreationDate="2012-09-10T23:03:38.233" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6896" PostId="3629" Score="0" Text="As more &quot;programmable infrastructure&quot; gets put out there, &quot;deployment&quot; related questions (such as puppet) need to remain topical here." CreationDate="2012-09-10T22:28:54.920" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="6897" PostId="3629" Score="0" Text="Scripting environments, like Node.js, PowerShell, Perl, Ruby and more are becoming the domain of SysAdmins too. A modern SysAdmin isn't limited to Ops in the old school sense. I agree with this migration, but possibly not your reasoning, at least not in general." CreationDate="2012-09-10T22:40:24.340" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6898" PostId="3629" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS I'd love to learn more about what sysadmins are doing with Node.js. Got any good pointers? The node.js home page isn't too obvious in this regard." CreationDate="2012-09-10T22:43:44.193" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="6899" PostId="3629" Score="0" Text="I suck at JavaScript, so I'm not the greatest reference; but I know [Joyent](http://joyent.com) is using it pretty exclusively for their OpenSolaris automation/administration in their Cloud platform (SmartOS et al). Their one of the major contributors to the Node.js project as well (Google is one of the other heavy lifters IIRC) ." CreationDate="2012-09-10T22:48:25.467" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6901" PostId="3630" Score="0" Text="Side note to SysAdmin's general Answer, I blew away your Answer. So you're all set." CreationDate="2012-09-10T23:19:19.410" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6902" PostId="3630" Score="3" Text="Personally I now think things are to the point where there should be no users of Qmail and DJB should be sent into exile for crimes against humanity. But I'm an extremist :-)" CreationDate="2012-09-11T00:00:45.650" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6929" PostId="3630" Score="0" Text="`how do I request it be nuked from orbit?`  By asking the question here, it seems." CreationDate="2012-09-14T03:14:43.613" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6903" PostId="3631" Score="0" Text="Might a mod flag have achieved the same goal?" CreationDate="2012-09-11T01:44:42.857" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6904" PostId="3631" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers If it's available, which I'm not sure of. I, of course, see that button but I can't tell what the visibility is." CreationDate="2012-09-11T01:50:36.653" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="6909" PostId="3631" Score="0" Text="@MarkJohnson It's there to indicate that this used to be a commwiki back before the  question was frozen in a block of ice." CreationDate="2012-09-11T11:44:57.367" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="6915" PostId="3632" Score="1" Text="You don't recognize @voretaq7's writing by now? :)" CreationDate="2012-09-12T15:19:06.640" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="6916" PostId="3632" Score="0" Text="@jscott Of course I do ;)" CreationDate="2012-09-12T16:17:28.870" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="6917" PostId="3632" Score="7" Text="I'd be curious to hear from the people downvoting this what their opinion is." CreationDate="2012-09-12T16:18:29.880" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="6914" PostId="3633" Score="5" Text="That edit was me, and in retrospect Chris is correct - I should have zotted the original and left a replacement. (Normally I apply a `20% rule` to comment edits -- If I have to change more than 20% of the comment to make it &quot;nice&quot; it should just be deleted.  In this case I broke my own unwritten rule...)" CreationDate="2012-09-12T14:57:27.750" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6918" PostId="3633" Score="8" Text="@voretaq7 I'm sure you wrote something else in this comment and Chris edited it. ;-)" CreationDate="2012-09-12T19:02:56.907" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="6919" PostId="3633" Score="2" Text="@splattne I may or may not have offered the user up as an hors' d'oeuvre to the Great Old Ones..." CreationDate="2012-09-12T19:55:24.473" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6924" PostId="3634" Score="4" Text="I disagree. Editing, in any usage on SE, should not radically alter the ideas or intent of a question. If you would need to radically rewrite an answer in an edit, for example, you should just write your own answer." CreationDate="2012-09-13T20:25:29.413" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="6925" PostId="3634" Score="0" Text="You're right -- I should say I'd have LESS of a problem with this rather than no problem.  The main point I'm trying to make is that if editing is allowed by anyone other than the original comment author, mod or otherwise, it should make info on the edit readily available, and one shouldn't ever return to see their own comment edited in any way with no indication of the source." CreationDate="2012-09-13T23:44:50.650" UserId="2302" />
  <row Id="6960" PostId="3635" Score="0" Text="So on board with this, except for the summary.  If the comment's offensive, it should be deleted, not saved by radically altering its original meaning.  And I too, prefer the... less than extremely polite comments telling lusers to RTFFM, so I wouldn't have edited or deleted that comment, had I the blue diamond powers.  Though, I have it on good authority that I can be/definitely am a cold bastard, so YMMV and all." CreationDate="2012-09-21T00:13:16.830" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6964" PostId="3635" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b, despite our occasional disagreements I can see we have a fait bit in common. :)" CreationDate="2012-09-21T02:23:06.130" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6965" PostId="3635" Score="0" Text="No doubt.  And don't worry about the occasional disagreements - as I said, nothing's perfect but me, and I'm sure you'll come around, see the light and agree with me on everything eventually. ;D" CreationDate="2012-09-21T02:38:56.277" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6926" PostId="3636" Score="3" Text="Whoah, tl;dr..." CreationDate="2012-09-14T02:47:47.583" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6928" PostId="3636" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson  Good to know.  Maybe I'll just paste my most recent posts in as reports I have to get done for work, confident in the certainty no one will bother reading past an opening paragraph or two." CreationDate="2012-09-14T03:12:04.473" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6930" PostId="3636" Score="2" Text="It is easy to understand why formatting rules on ELU, and other exchanges might be different from here.  It is best to stick to the norms of a specific site." CreationDate="2012-09-14T03:38:51.683" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="6931" PostId="3636" Score="5" Text="@HopelessN00b - actually, you know what I did read? The parts with backtick higlighting and &lt;kbd&gt; tags. So there you go, maybe that's worth noting..." CreationDate="2012-09-14T04:05:32.413" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6932" PostId="3636" Score="2" Text="All I saw was a title and a massive wall of text but the title probably told me all I really need to know about the question. The &quot;right way&quot;? Just follow the general trend used by other medium to high ranked members." CreationDate="2012-09-14T06:30:32.347" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6933" PostId="3636" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson `actually, you know what I did read? The parts with backtick higlighting and &lt;kbd&gt; tags.` Right, which I'm now going to claim was part of my plan to make exactly that point all along. ;)" CreationDate="2012-09-14T07:27:13.057" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6935" PostId="3636" Score="1" Text="`that formatting markdown has a specific meaning, don't use it like that` some people in ELU are grammar Nazis, that's why, whoops... I generally use backticks for any verbatim text; additionally, I also use backticks for quoting in comments since blockquotes cannot be used in comments." CreationDate="2012-09-18T16:26:02.987" UserId="55408" />
  <row Id="6936" PostId="3636" Score="0" Text="@LieRyan. Yeah, I figured ELU.SE was probably a ---grammar Nazi--- &quot;sensitivity-challenged,&quot; pedantic. Individual, but was more using it as an example of... differing opinions, even around here, on the &quot;proper&quot; use of formatting elements." CreationDate="2012-09-18T16:46:50.933" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7009" PostId="3636" Score="0" Text="You seem to use the tilde in an unusual way." CreationDate="2012-09-23T12:37:49.950" UserId="97740" />
  <row Id="7010" PostId="3636" Score="0" Text="@SamuelEdwinWard  Hence this thread." CreationDate="2012-09-23T19:30:42.707" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6934" PostId="3637" Score="0" Text="Thanks to everyone, (but Mark in particular).  This whole discussion/&quot;thread&quot; was really helpful to me.  Or will be once I get my head around markdown.  It really _*does*_ choke orphans, rape neurons and everything else." CreationDate="2012-09-18T11:34:26.303" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6959" PostId="3637" Score="0" Text="I put example links in backticks when in a paragraph." CreationDate="2012-09-20T17:26:51.027" UserId="137758" />
  <row Id="7008" PostId="3637" Score="0" Text="Is &quot;quotebox&quot; the one where you start the line with a `&gt;`?" CreationDate="2012-09-23T12:31:57.350" UserId="97740" />
  <row Id="7011" PostId="3637" Score="0" Text="@SamuelEdwinWard - yep" CreationDate="2012-09-23T20:23:55.600" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6944" PostId="3646" Score="6" Text="Server Fault ***IS NOT***:  `Tech Support for the Interwebs`, `Your software vendor`, `A tutorials clearing house`, `A place that will just give you teh c0dez`.  Add to the list `Free IT consulting` :-)" CreationDate="2012-09-19T15:02:40.787" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6945" PostId="3646" Score="2" Text="Yep, that was what I what I was thinking. Many of us do get paid for consulting here and there, and I know at what point my patience and amount of &quot;free&quot; time expires." CreationDate="2012-09-19T15:39:39.720" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6946" PostId="3646" Score="1" Text="Also, do not feel that since you started helping before realizing their requirement you are obligated to fix their problem. They're intending to use the solution to make money, no reason they shouldn't be paying someone to get there." CreationDate="2012-09-19T17:48:20.077" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6950" PostId="3646" Score="0" Text="It really sucks that crap &quot;questions&quot; can't be closed while they have a bounty. I've seen more than one have a bounty applied for the sole purpose of preventing closure." CreationDate="2012-09-20T01:15:46.960" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6953" PostId="3646" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Yea, just noticed that. I heard something about mods can hammer them closed? Is that true, if so I guess all we can do is flag them?" CreationDate="2012-09-20T01:50:44.500" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6954" PostId="3646" Score="0" Text="@Brent, I tend to just wait till the bounty expires and then cast my vote." CreationDate="2012-09-20T03:27:08.807" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6958" PostId="3646" Score="0" Text="Mods can refund the bounty. At that point the question can be closed by normal means." CreationDate="2012-09-20T17:18:11.310" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="6951" PostId="3647" Score="2" Text="Dunno but maybe we should track its usage :) BTW, is that your big word for the day? It's much bigger than &quot;superfluous&quot;." CreationDate="2012-09-20T01:18:48.157" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6942" PostId="3648" Score="0" Text="So at what point then, as answerers, do we tell the OP to seek the help of a professional?" CreationDate="2012-09-19T13:49:10.670" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="6943" PostId="3648" Score="2" Text="@BrentPabst Usually after I've tried 2 explanations I'll ask in [The Comms Room](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/127/the-comms-room) to see if other people can come up with a better way of explaining things. If the mob confirms that I'm not smoking crack and my answers are in fact comprehensible I usually leave a comment along the lines of &quot;Seek Professional Help - you're out of your depth here and the kind of intensive work needed is beyond what we can do on a Q&amp;A site.&quot;" CreationDate="2012-09-19T15:01:06.157" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6955" PostId="3649" Score="3" Text="Those of you who think you're perfect just make things awkward for those of us who are. Other than that, +1." CreationDate="2012-09-20T06:40:02.553" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6961" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="How's your SQL? http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/58192/131874" CreationDate="2012-09-21T00:47:42.747" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="6962" PostId="3650" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson my SQL's limited by the quality of data it's run against, and no offense to the SE staff, but that data is just not reliable, or live, so I'd be more trusting of a &quot;this is how it should work&quot; than a &quot;this is how the data says it works.  This query.&quot;" CreationDate="2012-09-21T00:58:51.937" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6963" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="http://serverfault.com/reputation &lt;-- Go here, second to last line is `earned at least 200 reputation on X days`." CreationDate="2012-09-21T01:20:17.437" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6966" PostId="3650" Score="1" Text="The less you concern yourself with the details the faster you will qualify. Think of it like a kettle coming to the bail - it's faster when you don't watch." CreationDate="2012-09-21T06:58:27.833" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="6967" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers  There is that, certainly, but not knowing the answer to this does seem to have put me back a day that I would have otherwise made some progress towards those badges - now that I know, I'll wait until a slow day I know I'm not going to hit 200 to offer a bounty ,should the need to offer one arise." CreationDate="2012-09-21T11:23:49.230" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6968" PostId="3651" Score="2" Text="Must... resist... urge to downvote... for being annoyingly right... :p" CreationDate="2012-09-21T11:25:00.633" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="6974" PostId="3652" Score="2" Text="I realize you may be skeptical of our abilities, but many of us actually *do* know what we're doing and *are not* harassing your question for curiosity or the fun of it." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:25:42.340" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6976" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="Honestly, it's a fairly straight forward question. If you're running a headless windows instance, the only way to view it is through rdp. The display stops rendering or whatever if you disconnect, and I need to to somehow stay on, so the software on the machine can interact with it. If you don't understand headless machines or whatever, then you probably are in no position to answer the question, you're just closing it because you don't 'see the point', or you don't know about the topic. That's not grounds to close a question." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:29:05.337" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="6982" PostId="3652" Score="5" Text="Thou shalt not goad anyone into providing an answer by reason of [Personal Incredulity](http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity). Thank you for playing, please try again." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:38:49.720" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6983" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="Are you trying to capture screen output by means of some software like Cmatasia (just for example) on the remote EC2 instance, but there is no recorded screen when you disconnect from the RDP session? Only when you're actively connected? Is that what this is about?" CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:40:58.280" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6986" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid Yes. That's basically the core of it. RDP sessions have their &quot;screen&quot; destroyed when there is nobody connected (because there is no screen connected....)" CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:44:35.157" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6990" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Exactly what I'm dealing with here. http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity" CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:48:23.387" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="6991" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="I was hoping there was a driver or something that could bypass this, or emulate a display, or something. Some kind of answer, but instead I got a bunch of 'I don't understand the question, so he's being vague'" CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:49:45.383" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="6993" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="@kelton52: The people that closed your question are some of the best we have. If they don't get it then there is something wrong with the question not them." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:52:45.287" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6995" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="@Iain Maybe you haven't been keeping up, but we already established that the question is a real question. The only real issue it seems, is my lack of including motive and reason into the question." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:56:21.727" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="6996" PostId="3652" Score="1" Text="They're all looking for a 'why' so they can say 'No that's dumb, do it this way'...Which is what I'm not looking for, as it doesn't answer my question. That's simple logic." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:57:44.970" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="6997" PostId="3652" Score="2" Text="@kelton52: The only thing that has been established is that you don't agree that your question is NARQ and you're not prepared to listen to people who are tying to help you." CreationDate="2012-09-22T19:03:32.903" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7002" PostId="3652" Score="2" Text="@kelton52  Actually, I **was** looking for a &quot;why&quot; (or a &quot;what&quot;) so I could advise you as to what possibilities there are, and which ones might be suitable for you, but after reading all the garbage you've been spewing here (which must have taken many times longer that just providing the necessary specifics in the first place), I'd also like to know why I (or anyone else) should bother helping.  I mean, clearly, I'm in &quot;over my head&quot; (the fact that I administer hundreds of ESX which need screencapped from time to time notwithstanding), so me and my head should find someone else to help, right?" CreationDate="2012-09-23T00:44:03.770" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7005" PostId="3652" Score="3" Text="I would have thought that the entire core nugget of this debacle would have been addressed in my [not-quite-comprehensive guide to asking good questions](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3608/how-can-i-ask-better-questions-on-server-fault), but it wasn't.  So constructive result: Implementation constraints are now explicitly called out as things we kinda need to know!  **HOORAY CONSTRUCTIVE RESULTS!** &lt;--?" CreationDate="2012-09-23T02:34:01.083" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6969" PostId="3653" Score="0" Text="It only doesn't make sense if you've never had the problem before, and that's the problem. If you haven't run into this issue, then you can't possibly answer it, so how can you possibly deem it worthy of closing, just because it doesn't make sense to you?" CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:02:51.537" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="6970" PostId="3653" Score="0" Text="Maybe follow the steps, and replicate it if you think I'm just pulling stuff out of my butt. Make a windows EC2 instance, try and capture a screen shot when you aren't RDP'd in there. You get a black screen, because the display won't render. I'm assuming due to the default driver, or something. That's what I'm trying to figure out" CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:04:18.557" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="6971" PostId="3653" Score="5" Text="@kelton52: Ok, if you want your question answered you have to provide sufficient information for people to understand it. As it is your question is the very epitome of NARQ. Your terminology is jumbled. There are no details of what you want to achieve and there is no context. If you had provided the information from your comments above then there may have been a better outcome for you. People here really do like to help but you have to help them to help you." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:20:02.097" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6972" PostId="3653" Score="4" Text="Further, the reason you want to do that is pertinent. For example, resource monitoring is easily done to log files, then replayed by the GUI for your convenience. Taking screen shots would be barbaric at best. So if that's what you're trying to get at, your question is complete off-base as the Answer is &quot;use logging to a file&quot;. The presumption that there is no better way to accomplish the task is almost certainly flawed, especially given you lack of knowledge evidenced by your inability to use terminology correctly." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:23:51.297" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6973" PostId="3653" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS It doesn't matter, as I never said I was looking for alternative solutions. There is a direct problem, and it isn't related to the specific task I'm trying to complete. In fact, I specifically didn't want answers that were the equivalent of &quot;Why not do this instead&quot;. I know what I WANT to do. If it isn't possible, then I'll find an alternative(well I know all my alternatives if I can't find the answer, or it isn't possible)" CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:24:10.693" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="6975" PostId="3653" Score="0" Text="Had you considered that what you *want* to do is *doing it wrong*? And that you're spending more time fighting with what you want, and the people who are trying to help you, than if you had just described the actual problem in the first place?" CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:27:39.093" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6977" PostId="3653" Score="1" Text="@kelton52 *What are you even talking about?* `Make a windows EC2 instance, try and capture a screen shot when you aren't RDP'd in there. You get a black screen, because the display won't render` Of **course** you can't get a screenshot of a computer that you're not connected to. If you aren't RDP'd in, then you're not connected so little ones and zeros can't go back and forth. This is very literally like complaining that your server doesn't turn on when it's not plugged into a power outlet. Explain your situation more so we can figure out rightly what it is you even mean in the first place." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:29:09.623" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6978" PostId="3653" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid There is a hacky workaround I'm trying to avoid because it's cumbersome, but a workaround non the less, so don't be condescending." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:30:17.303" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="6979" PostId="3653" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Do you even know WHAT I'm doing, or why? The usefulness of what I'm doing is irrelevant to my original question." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:30:56.787" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="6980" PostId="3653" Score="1" Text="@kelton52 No, I do not know what or why; which is precisely why that information is relevant to a solution. Further, the fact that you are so adamant about not telling us makes me think that what your doing is illegal, embarressingly foolish, or something similar. Further I believe there is a better way to accomplish what you're doing, one that is supportable, maintainable, and professional. Professionals do not chase their tail for days to implement and ugly hack." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:36:03.950" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="6981" PostId="3653" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS I specifically DON'T put my reasoning in here most of the time because I already KNOW all of the solutions, and am only interested in the one I'm trying to solve. I don't want to spend a bunch of time explaining myself. And again, with what you said, my motives are irrelevant to the real question here, so why are we STILL focusing on that? How does what I'm doing affect whether or not I can, with software, view the screen when I'm not connected?" CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:38:42.553" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="6984" PostId="3653" Score="0" Text="But here we go. Just because this is getting fairly annoying. My boss wants me to use Sikuli to load test some server code we have running by booting up a bunch of EC2's, and running through our custom dialogs while I take metrics on Sql Server 2008. I personally think it would be better to take the UI out of the equation, and just programatically make these calls, but for some reason, he just won't accept that as an answer. So, I figured someone on here might know HOW to keep the display running after disconnecting, or without even connecting at all." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:43:44.403" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="6985" PostId="3653" Score="0" Text="I think it's a bad approach, but that doesn't make it unanswerable." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:44:13.920" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="6987" PostId="3653" Score="3" Text="@kelton52 If you had said that from the beginning, this all would have made sense. Your vague use and misapplication of terminology (which is a large part of the confusion) could have easily been excused and overlooked if we had just known you were trying to record the screen while disconnected." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:45:25.577" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6988" PostId="3653" Score="0" Text="I know one way of doing it via using VNC, but that would mean I'd have to spawn a VNC connection to each machine before it can start work, and there would be 100's...so I was hoping since the windows instances use the generic VGA driver, there was some kind of registry solution, or some kind of driver or app that would make it work." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:45:38.943" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="6989" PostId="3653" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid no it wouldn't, it doesn't change the question." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:46:06.463" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="6992" PostId="3653" Score="2" Text="@kelton52: If you had told us all of this in your original question you almost certainly would have had a different outcome. As it is you have fallen foul of http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-xy-problem" CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:50:48.877" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="6994" PostId="3653" Score="0" Text="@Iain Listen, I can take suggestions and whatnot, but I have to walk back and say 'Yes this is possible, and here's how&quot; or &quot;No this can't be done because of x and y&quot;...I've already pitched all the alternatives, but since a dude wrote a script to handle what we're doing for Sikuli a year ago, he figured it'd be faster than writing, for example a python test script....Essentially the GUI is just a dumb interface with a web browser.&#xA;&#xA;There are most certainly better solutions, but that's not what I'm looking for." CreationDate="2012-09-22T18:55:13.223" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="7004" PostId="3653" Score="2" Text="@kelton52 If you are constrained by implementation requirements **you need to tell us that!** - *we only know what you tell us*. Simply saying `&quot;a dude wrote a script to handle what we're doing for Sikuli a year ago and I'm stuck supporting that&quot;` in your question (or after you were asked for context the first time) would probably have avoided having your question closed and the need for this entire Meta discussion. There is no reason a community of *volunteers trying to help* should have to pry key contextual information out of you like an impacted wisdom tooth." CreationDate="2012-09-23T02:10:05.707" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="6998" PostId="3654" Score="1" Text="Among scholars, you are a gentleman. Among gentlemen, a scholar." CreationDate="2012-09-22T22:13:13.210" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="6999" PostId="3654" Score="0" Text="I do know all my viable alternatives to solving this problem without needing a visual display actually." CreationDate="2012-09-23T00:10:25.153" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="7000" PostId="3654" Score="0" Text="And also, I'm only at this point because people closed my question because they didn't understand the topic I was talking about. I wouldn't be insulting if people wouldn't downvote things that were out of there scope." CreationDate="2012-09-23T00:11:18.867" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="7001" PostId="3654" Score="0" Text="This is the similar to asking &quot;How do you replace the engine of a vehicle&quot;, and having a bunch of people who change tires for a living mark the question as 'not a question' because they don't understand what an engine is." CreationDate="2012-09-23T00:14:26.960" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="7003" PostId="3654" Score="8" Text="@kelton52 No, to use your analogy it is like walking into a shop and asking the mechanics `How do you replace the engine of a vehicle?`. You should not be surprised when the mechanics ask you `Are you asking about VW Bug, a Porsche 911, an Alfa Romeo Spider, a Ford Model T?` -- that kind of context is critical to doing the job correctly. If you insist on standing at the counter and shouting &quot;AN **ENGINE**! IN A ***VEHICLE***&quot; rather than offering the context they need to do the work properly a smart mechanic will roll their eyes and walk away because you are **not** asking **a real question**." CreationDate="2012-09-23T01:55:18.357" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7007" PostId="3654" Score="1" Text="@kelton52 That's a silly analogy, and yes, I can work on cars too. See voretaq7's response for a start. We'd also need to know what engine you intend to put in, what equipment you have available and if you're competent enough to handle it. But, more to the point, they'd probably ask &quot;why?&quot;, too. Because why replace an engine when it just needs a new alternator?Though, if you'd like proof, why not walk into your local shop and repeat your &quot;How do you replace the engine of a vehicle&quot; question. You can tell them they're clueless. Record the response for future reference." CreationDate="2012-09-23T10:50:45.587" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="7024" PostId="3654" Score="0" Text="Oh lol, you guys. Now I'm laughing." CreationDate="2012-09-26T16:33:25.680" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="7019" PostId="3655" Score="0" Text="Is it something rendered in full screen mode, or something rendered along with the desktop?&#xA;Continuous or at intervals?&#xA;What screen capture program and method are you using? (Or need to used/cannot be used?)&#xA;Those three are irrelivent. Also, the first one is pretty much a given. Thanks for trying!" CreationDate="2012-09-25T15:18:45.470" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="7020" PostId="3655" Score="1" Text="@kelton52  See, this kind of shit is ***exactly*** why your question got closed and you don't have an answer you like.  I actually admin hundreds of ESX hosts at the moment, and have a lot of experience with forcing a screencap from a headless machine/VM, believe it or not.  But since you're hellbent on insisting you know better than me, I'm not about to help you out for free, especially when it seems to require taking attitude and shit from you.  So, thank you for trying, but please go away and leave me alone from here on out.  I have no interest in helping you with your issues." CreationDate="2012-09-25T15:42:09.963" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7022" PostId="3655" Score="0" Text="Heh, somehow I'm fine with that." CreationDate="2012-09-25T20:50:00.883" UserId="95590" />
  <row Id="7021" PostId="3656" Score="0" Text="`all you've managed to achieve is to piss off those who have the answers`  No, that can't be right.  Obviously, he's just pissed off all the people who are in over their heads, and no solution to his problem exists. :/" CreationDate="2012-09-25T16:39:52.143" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7012" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="The questions with both backup and exec should probably be retagged backupexec." CreationDate="2012-09-24T20:49:48.170" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7014" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="There were only 3 so I retagged them." CreationDate="2012-09-25T08:13:34.370" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7028" PostId="3658" Score="7" Text="It's worth noting that neither of those answers are &quot;wrong&quot; (don't work).  They're sub-optimal, and possibly even ***BAD*** (in the case of the ping idea), but they do accomplish the goal (http://xkcd.com/763/).  We obviously shouldn't encourage people to use suboptimal solutions though..." CreationDate="2012-09-26T20:23:48.713" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7029" PostId="3658" Score="7" Text="I absolutely love the fact that your canonical question has also attracted the same hacky answers we're trying to avoid" CreationDate="2012-09-26T20:27:05.327" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7027" PostId="3659" Score="2" Text="Done. But even if my correct answer got upvoted to heavens, there would still be no way for it to be accepted if the OP is no longer around... and the accepted answer would always be treated as the most correct one by the system (shown first, green flag, etc.)." CreationDate="2012-09-26T20:11:29.457" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="7030" PostId="3659" Score="4" Text="@Massimo: OPs can accept any answer they like." CreationDate="2012-09-26T20:56:35.867" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7031" PostId="3659" Score="2" Text="Well, of course it's his (her) right to do so. But if he accepts a wrong answer, and then people afterwards come looking for it and find a wrong solution to their problem, will this not be detrimental to the site as a whole?" CreationDate="2012-09-26T21:03:57.033" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="7032" PostId="3659" Score="12" Text="I suspect that seeing another answer well outscored the accepted answer is enough to let people recognise the situation. Then again, I'm frequently wrong about humans." CreationDate="2012-09-26T23:14:37.277" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7052" PostId="3659" Score="0" Text="Certainly the right approach. However, [even some mods leave incorrect statements/references in their answers despite it being pointed out in comments](http://serverfault.com/a/109824/47187) :-) I wonder if it's OK to edit their answers for them in this case..." CreationDate="2012-09-28T12:07:28.253" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="7053" PostId="3659" Score="0" Text="@Bruno If you want to maintain my old answers I have no objection :-) All I can say in my defense is &quot;It was as right as I could be the day I wrote it&quot; and &quot;I'm too lazy to maintain it - go to the link at the top&quot; :P" CreationDate="2012-09-28T14:22:05.883" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7055" PostId="3659" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7, the problem is that the first version was completely wrong: (a) HTTPS has absolutely nothing to do with RFC 2187 and (b) the curl trace has nothing to do with showing any RFC 2187 behaviour either, rather it's about the fact that TLS can support the SNI extension whereas SSLv3 can't (but that trace doesn't show the server name extension anyway). Considering that there is now a correct answer (not quite as highly upvoted), you could delete yours, and obtained the &quot;Disciplined&quot; badge in the process :-)" CreationDate="2012-09-28T17:06:41.450" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="7056" PostId="3659" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7, I've put more details as to why it was an incorrect answer here, even at the time it was initially written. Not sure what to do w.r.t. &quot;accepted answer which is wrong&quot;... I certainly don't want to offend you." CreationDate="2012-09-28T19:51:17.323" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="7065" PostId="3659" Score="2" Text="@JohnGardeniers  Stop assuming they use their brains.  Once I started thinking of people as shaved apes, but with less intelligence, my accuracy in predicting human behavior increased dramatically." CreationDate="2012-10-01T15:47:06.537" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7073" PostId="3659" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b, please note that I said &quot;Then again, I'm frequently wrong about humans&quot;. Seriously though, I seldom assume people in general think but sometimes, just to be polite, I'll pretend that they do." CreationDate="2012-10-01T20:28:47.260" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7025" PostId="3660" Score="4" Text="If wishes were horses.... ***OMFG `STAMPEDE`!*** :-)" CreationDate="2012-09-26T19:49:01.733" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7026" PostId="3660" Score="0" Text="Well ***I'm*** certainly not going to be the one to scoop up all of what remains..." CreationDate="2012-09-26T20:03:58.460" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7033" PostId="3660" Score="0" Text="There's nothing wrong with wishing. I personally still live in a fantasy land where there is hope that the Stack Exchange devs will eventually learn about UI design and start thinking like users, with the result that all those UI issues we have get fixed." CreationDate="2012-09-26T23:17:46.010" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7034" PostId="3660" Score="7" Text="I do not think this would help anyone. Take a look at the Microsoft support forums (which used to be newsgroups a long time ago) - a lot of user's requests have been &quot;selected as answer&quot; by third parties but do not represent an answer at all - allegedly because the &quot;regulars&quot; do not like to see a lot of open questions around. The StackExchange checkmark basically says &quot;it worked for me&quot; and should be left that way. If there is an urge to express disagreement, it can be satisfied and expressed by voting and commenting." CreationDate="2012-09-27T07:41:23.183" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="7041" PostId="3660" Score="0" Text="While I generally agree that the &quot;Accepted Answer&quot; on [MS Forums has been devalued by the problems you cite](http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter); I would point out that Yahoo Answers is a cesspool version of a Q&amp;A site, and [we haven't turned into that (yet)](http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope). But perhaps a better set of safeguards could rein-in abuse. There are very few questions I've seen where I'd like to have this ability (maybe a dozen that I can vaguely remember). The fact that community has popped up the Q shouldn't be justification to check the mark..." CreationDate="2012-09-27T13:00:45.990" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7045" PostId="3660" Score="7" Text="I think this is clearly the wrong answer, and shouldn't have been marked as such :-)" CreationDate="2012-09-27T17:15:49.967" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="7046" PostId="3660" Score="3" Text="@dunxd, well if both I and Massimo go inactive for an extended period of time, and you could convince at least one Mod (I'm starting to think two would add some safety net), I would not be off-put if the &quot;accept&quot; got revoked and awarded to a correct Answer. Honestly, I'd rather the community have a genuinely correct answer than piss about with the politics of who marked it as such. I am sensitive and concerned about the potential for abuse, but I don't see the slippery slope that others apparently do." CreationDate="2012-09-28T00:45:50.550" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7048" PostId="3660" Score="3" Text="I've often wished for the same mods-can-override-accepted-answers capability (or at least the ability to set an accepted answer on questions inactive for `N` days with no accept), but the counter-argument has merit.  We're basically arguing that the current mods (us) are good people, and would use the ability well, but what if one day the mods aren't as benevolent? The ability to set an accept on a neglected question may be OK, but the ability to override someone's accept and hand it to another answer seems like a pretty dangerous weapon in the wrong hands..." CreationDate="2012-09-28T02:28:51.153" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7051" PostId="3660" Score="0" Text="@chris-s - you're taking things way too seriously!" CreationDate="2012-09-28T10:39:09.047" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="7054" PostId="3660" Score="3" Text="He's a mod, so that's his job.  I for one am glad he *does* take this sort of thing seriously." CreationDate="2012-09-28T14:30:49.490" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="7077" PostId="3660" Score="0" Text="Maybe a better idea than altering what &quot;Accepted Answer&quot; means would be to have the ability to mark a question as an &quot;Abandoned Question&quot; which would prevent it from counting against the unanswered question pile, without having to actually accept something as an answer for the long-gone hit-and-run questioner." CreationDate="2012-10-02T07:47:40.120" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7146" PostId="3660" Score="2" Text="If that checkmark had a different color, say blue, to indicate that this was not set by the OP, I'd favour this. But the green checkmark is established to mean &quot;This answer made the OP think their problem is solved&quot; and should remain such..." CreationDate="2012-10-05T08:34:01.710" UserId="45248" />
  <row Id="7035" PostId="3662" Score="6" Text="Editing an answer, any answer, to alter the intent and meaning of that answer is even more wrong than what is being discussed here and should never be done." CreationDate="2012-09-27T08:50:16.210" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7047" PostId="3662" Score="0" Text="@John: true, rewriting history and putting words in someon's mouth are wrong.  However, editing a clearly wrong but accepted answer to add a note to the effect of &quot;This answer is wrong, and here's why.  See this better answer instead&quot; **without** changing anything else about the answer would IMO be acceptable.  OTOH, this can easily be done in comments too." CreationDate="2012-09-28T00:46:03.247" UserId="12539" />
  <row Id="7049" PostId="3662" Score="4" Text="@CraigSanders That's what comments are for.  If the answer were patently dangerous one of the mods would delete it. If it's just *bad* or *wrong* (even if it works) downvotes and comments are the tools we have for dealing with that.  (Also the fact is for *some small subset of the population* this may be the only thing that works for them -- we should pity those folks, but leave them the answer as a less-than-stellar option for their ancient environments)" CreationDate="2012-09-28T02:36:56.607" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7050" PostId="3664" Score="2" Text="As a personal favorite anecdote of mine, I believe this to be the lowest ranked accepted answer on Serverfault. If only data.stackexchange.com were more up-to-date than June 28th..." CreationDate="2012-09-28T06:37:42.507" UserId="3139" />
  <row Id="7087" PostId="3664" Score="0" Text="According to data.stackexchange.com, it's the lowest scored [non-deleted] answer on ServerFault, period." CreationDate="2012-10-02T10:16:47.043" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7145" PostId="3664" Score="0" Text="That should be `[![](http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)](http://xkcd.com/386/ &quot;What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!&quot;)` but meta doesn't allow for edits... ([Direct link](http://xkcd.com/386/)). Also, +1" CreationDate="2012-10-05T08:29:46.490" UserId="45248" />
  <row Id="7060" PostId="3665" Score="0" Text="Care to post a Readers Digest version of that? I noticed you have a habit of writing excessively and unnecessarily long posts." CreationDate="2012-09-29T21:55:45.363" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7061" PostId="3665" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers, sorry about that, I've just tried to shorten all this at the end. I was just hoping that more details and references could help see the problem." CreationDate="2012-09-29T22:16:17.723" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="7057" PostId="3667" Score="0" Text="Thanks Ward, I had a look through the earlier revisions and there was no roll-back option anywhere at that time. Something weird's going on." CreationDate="2012-09-29T09:54:21.130" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7058" PostId="3668" Score="0" Text="When I looked at that question the oldest version was not what you say it was, which is why I said what I said. However, as I also did not have the roll-back option it is possible that the page I saw was incomplete. However, I can only go on what I personally see." CreationDate="2012-09-29T21:17:03.617" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7059" PostId="3668" Score="0" Text="No worries. It seems that the idea of editing that question isn't so popular after all anyway (I got a downvote today on [the associated meta question](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/3125/47187)). Why a mod would introduce a statement that could be considered as misleading in a question is not clear to me, more so because it also makes some previous answers look silly (see comments on the last one, for example). I'm not sure what to do about this..." CreationDate="2012-09-29T21:29:46.627" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="7062" PostId="3668" Score="0" Text="&quot;Why a mod would introduce a statement that could be considered as misleading&quot;... 1. Um, thanks for the &quot;compliment&quot; 2. Mods are human, apparently you've never done something others think is a mistake, but the rest of us... pretty much daily 3. It was partially intentional as the OP had some apparent misunderstandings about the various protocols and the mod wanted that reflected in the Question; more so because the Answer points out the correct information." CreationDate="2012-09-30T03:15:49.667" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7063" PostId="3668" Score="1" Text="@ChrisS, sorry, I really didn't mean it in an offensive way. We all makes mistakes once in a while, I certainly do. I just found your edit at the time a bit odd, putting words that the OP had never said. I'm not not sure this sort of editing (coming from mods or anyone else who can edit) is a good idea, that's all." CreationDate="2012-09-30T11:55:34.827" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="7064" PostId="3669" Score="1" Text="[status-worksforme] -- Have you perhaps been saying unkind things about the server when you thought it couldn't hear you? :)" CreationDate="2012-10-01T15:17:45.347" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7066" PostId="3669" Score="4" Text="Looks like a... server fault. (ha ha)" CreationDate="2012-10-01T18:12:14.830" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="7067" PostId="3669" Score="0" Text="Strange, you're seeing a `403` from a main Question/Show page?  We're not seeing anything like that in the logs for your account in the last week.  If you see it again, would you take a screenshot, please?  It could be our load balancer config is having issues." CreationDate="2012-10-01T18:35:37.677" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="7071" PostId="3669" Score="0" Text="@Jarrod, a screen shot is only going to show the same error message, so I really don't see how that will help. The error occurred when I clicked on the question from the front page. Clicking on other questions worked perfectly. The only other relevant information I can supply the next time this happens is the exact date and time." CreationDate="2012-10-01T20:22:06.597" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7072" PostId="3669" Score="2" Text="@vortaq7, I don't recall ever saying unkind things about the server. Unlike people, I treat servers with due respect." CreationDate="2012-10-01T20:25:28.480" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7078" PostId="3672" Score="0" Text="This is not a bug; http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/97098/eeeeek-what-happened-to-my-salutation" CreationDate="2012-10-02T09:55:44.413" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7079" PostId="3672" Score="0" Text="dammit, Mark, one single second." CreationDate="2012-10-02T09:57:07.423" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="7080" PostId="3672" Score="3" Text="Wtf meta auto converted my answer to a comment!! Now THAT is annoying" CreationDate="2012-10-02T09:58:39.137" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7083" PostId="3672" Score="2" Text="@MarkHenderson, yes, that's also by-design, as explained [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/98950/answer-appears-automatically-converted-as-a-comment) - and also managed to confuse another mod [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/107063/how-could-a-user-with-1-reputation-point-leave-a-comment/107064#107064)" CreationDate="2012-10-02T10:01:08.587" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="7085" PostId="3672" Score="2" Text="Ok, it's not a bug but that just means it's really poor and unfriendly design." CreationDate="2012-10-02T10:03:03.700" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7086" PostId="3673" Score="0" Text="Nope, the page was fully loaded in this case. While I do sometimes click before the page has finished loading all that happens then is I get no drop-down at all. Of course the difference in what we're seeing may be browser dependent. Regardless, it's still a bug." CreationDate="2012-10-02T10:08:27.563" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7088" PostId="3673" Score="0" Text="I get this semi-regularly for the same reason... Annoying." CreationDate="2012-10-02T13:46:14.767" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7081" PostId="3674" Score="0" Text="I'm sure you'll understand if I don't bother to read anything that justifies such absurd design. Thanks for the answer. Of course that doesn't explain why I can normally edit the name back in." CreationDate="2012-10-02T09:59:58.993" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7082" PostId="3674" Score="0" Text="And now I have to wait another minute before I can accept your answer. Gotta love devs who understand UI design. :/" CreationDate="2012-10-02T10:00:58.743" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7084" PostId="3674" Score="1" Text="To be honest, I don't think it's justifiable, apart from &quot;to reduce clutter and noise&quot; or to save some precious database bytes." CreationDate="2012-10-02T10:02:37.510" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="7089" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="So you're saying it's OK for anyone to tag any question canonical whenever they feel like it. Great, that should really add value to the tag." CreationDate="2012-10-02T23:11:28.513" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7090" PostId="3675" Score="1" Text="No, I didn't say that. Perhaps I was too diplomatic. I've edited." CreationDate="2012-10-02T23:57:29.113" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="7091" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="Thanks, that make much more sense." CreationDate="2012-10-03T02:28:10.987" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7092" PostId="3675" Score="1" Text="Thankyou for backing this up; I'm a hater of meta tags but I already lost this argument over in the chatroom a few days ago!" CreationDate="2012-10-03T04:09:02.413" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7094" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="So, we're back to what - to me - the original question was: How can we make the canonical questions more accessible/apparent/visible to our userbase?  As it's been discussed elsewhere, an oft-edited answer on MSF is none of those three." CreationDate="2012-10-03T12:08:31.977" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="7095" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="&quot; ...You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them had you? I mean like actually telling anyone or anything.' But the plans were on display...' on display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.' `That's the display department.' `With a torch.' `Ah, well the lights had probably gone.' `So had the stairs.' `But look you found the notice didn't you?' `Yes,' said Arthur, `yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying &quot;Beware of The Leopard&quot;.' -- Douglas Adams." CreationDate="2012-10-03T12:08:58.310" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="7096" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="Up-vote good questions, close duplicates, make sure *everything* is well-tagged. There's a bunch of automatic searching and cross-linking that happens *on the main site* if these things are done, @gWaldo." CreationDate="2012-10-03T13:23:00.460" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="7093" PostId="3676" Score="3" Text="Yes. There was a telephony site that got closed as a duplicate (or merged into) ServerFault, so any telephone system that fits in the FaQ and site scope is OK here." CreationDate="2012-10-03T09:27:51.770" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="7110" PostId="3677" Score="0" Text="I don't see why those kind of questions couldn't be posted to SF as long as no better SE site is available." CreationDate="2012-10-03T23:11:24.923" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="7112" PostId="3677" Score="1" Text="@Alexander, you need a lot better reason than just the lack of a more suitable site. I don't think there is an SE site about eating lunch, so do you think questions on that topic should also be allowed on SF?" CreationDate="2012-10-04T07:33:54.193" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7120" PostId="3677" Score="0" Text="[EE](http://electronics.stackexchange.com/faq) may be an OK place to ask some GSM/EDGE questions (relating to the protocols themselves) - It may even be more appropriate than SF when talking about the wire-level stuff underlying our traditional networks. I'd check with them first though (the same way you did with us) before jumping in: I don't spend enough time there to know if they'd consider this stuff wholly in-scope or not." CreationDate="2012-10-04T15:17:43.367" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7140" PostId="3677" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 To be honest... the telco-protocols aren't really related to electrical engineering. If I want to connect a call via ITUP I don't care miuch about what resistors are there to pull up the line. These are real protocol running over multiple ISO-layers (and: ISO by design, not by definition, like in IP) and if you ask someone who has to set up a GGSN router, if he cares about the line level encoding of his Gn-interface, he'll just say: &quot;WHAT? It's a friggin' TenGigabitEthernet interface on a Cisco 7600!&quot;" CreationDate="2012-10-04T21:48:53.943" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="7142" PostId="3677" Score="0" Text="Note: I don't want to start a flamewar. I just want to say that telco protocols are really not much different from what we're used to when we talk IP. It's just different. You have a hard time finding people on the Internet who really know about SS7-protocols or how the whole GPRS-stuff is really working. It'd be a shame to alienate those people just because it's not IP. We don't scare off people using Netbios, or are we? (ok, this might be disputable...;)" CreationDate="2012-10-04T21:55:27.940" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="8391" PostId="3679" Score="0" Text="Also I was unable to remove the [status-completed] tag when bumping this." CreationDate="2013-01-18T12:52:04.517" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="7102" PostId="3682" Score="0" Text="While we're on-topic I wonder if anyone can explain why my question was downvoted. Was this sheer group dynamics or was my question posted in the wrong place of SE? What did I miss from the FAQ? Downvoting this because missing something from the FAQ is OK, I just wonder if people bother to state this in comments. At Skeptics.SE they point it out." CreationDate="2012-10-03T21:49:13.760" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="7103" PostId="3682" Score="1" Text="Downvotes here on meta are not the same as on the main site. When we downvote here it simply means we disagree and/or thinks it's a lousy idea." CreationDate="2012-10-03T22:59:14.713" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7105" PostId="3682" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers OK, I see. Was a irritated a little :)" CreationDate="2012-10-03T23:01:31.797" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="7189" PostId="3682" Score="3" Text="Also note that you neither gain nor lose rep by votes here on meta." CreationDate="2012-10-08T22:11:38.260" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7097" PostId="3683" Score="0" Text="Allright, I see. Didn't know that you can see the downvote reason if you hover over the downvote. Thanks for the clarification." CreationDate="2012-10-03T18:52:21.250" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="7098" PostId="3683" Score="1" Text="@Alex: It's not a reason it's guidance." CreationDate="2012-10-03T18:54:31.180" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7101" PostId="3683" Score="0" Text="Not sure what you mean by &quot;guidance&quot;? For whom? The OP? To tell him &quot;man, you need to sort out your question and make it more specific&quot;?" CreationDate="2012-10-03T21:46:12.577" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="7106" PostId="3683" Score="0" Text="Guidance for the person about to cast a vote." CreationDate="2012-10-03T23:02:39.467" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7124" PostId="3683" Score="1" Text="On the flip side of what @Iain said, there's nothing wrong with downvoting a bad question/answer and leaving a comment on how to fix it, *as long as you come back at some point and remove your downvote / give an upvote if they've fixed the problems* -- letting a downvote sit for something that's been fixed is unfair." CreationDate="2012-10-04T15:23:57.357" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7100" PostId="3684" Score="0" Text="+1 for the rat's nest, I can see why people upvote this. It's about sheer sympathy :-) And as of downvoting in general, I think you're right. Considering this, I can't make a conclusion if the posting I was referring to in the first place did deserve this. But I think I now understood a little more about how things should be working. Thanks!" CreationDate="2012-10-03T21:44:56.387" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="7122" PostId="3684" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b you ignorant slut! If you want an example of insane voting, [this](http://serverfault.com/questions/293217/our-security-auditor-is-an-idiot-how-do-i-give-him-the-information-he-wants) is the question to use! (Now everyone go pile more upvotes on it :-)" CreationDate="2012-10-04T15:21:59.853" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7125" PostId="3684" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7  I prefer the term `manwhore`, thankyouverymuch. :p  And it seemed more appropriate... or pertinent, perhaps, to pick the one month old example over the year old `has-historical-significance-but-is-not-a-good-SF-question` example." CreationDate="2012-10-04T15:25:42.160" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7099" PostId="3685" Score="0" Text="I don't see this page.  Can you provide a link or a screen shot?" CreationDate="2012-10-03T21:33:52.557" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="7104" PostId="3685" Score="0" Text="Do you by any chance mean &quot;helpful *flags*&quot;?" CreationDate="2012-10-03T23:00:42.853" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7107" PostId="3686" Score="0" Text="&quot;dinosaur technology&quot;? Why are questions about SS7 and GPRS considered like that? Without those technologies mobile internet wouldn't be possible." CreationDate="2012-10-03T23:04:29.890" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="7108" PostId="3686" Score="1" Text="@AlexanderJanssen  Uh, no.  PBX systems (first created in the 60's) would be the &quot;dinosaur technology&quot; in that sentence." CreationDate="2012-10-03T23:06:14.240" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7109" PostId="3686" Score="0" Text="OK, I was wondering, because the OP was specifically reffering to the &quot;GSM/EDGE network&quot;." CreationDate="2012-10-03T23:07:12.960" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="7113" PostId="3688" Score="0" Text="Have you even read the FAQ?" CreationDate="2012-10-04T07:34:46.780" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7129" PostId="3688" Score="2" Text="Yes, I did. So, what did I miss then?" CreationDate="2012-10-04T18:31:48.630" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="7138" PostId="3688" Score="0" Text="The part where it describes what kind of questions are on topic for SF." CreationDate="2012-10-04T21:31:09.433" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7139" PostId="3688" Score="0" Text="Yes, I read it. &quot;Network routing, switches, and firewalls&quot;. OK. It's not specifically related to telecommunication networks. But anyway, I just figured out that meta.SF is not something I'd like to spend too much time into. I just take the chance trying to give useful answers in the case something about telecommunication pops up, taking the risk to be downvoted." CreationDate="2012-10-04T21:39:34.540" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="7141" PostId="3688" Score="0" Text="Taken on its own that sentence from the FAQ almost looks like telco questions would be on topic but things change when you read that same sentence in context with the rest of that section." CreationDate="2012-10-04T21:53:25.543" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7143" PostId="3688" Score="0" Text="The telco business changed a lot in recent years. SS7 isn't not only transported exclusively via PCM30 any more, but via SIGTRAN, which is transported via SCTP, which is an IP-level protocol. Does that make it valid? And looking into the GTP-U protocol, which transports user-plane IP-traffic from the Radio Access Network to the GGSN - if that's not IP-networking, then I don't know." CreationDate="2012-10-04T22:00:10.230" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="7144" PostId="3688" Score="1" Text="Would it help if I compile a list of usecases to proof my claims? I don't want to troll around, start a flamewar or make people angry. I just feel that this is the right place. Networking professionals. A lot of people might be into it." CreationDate="2012-10-04T22:06:16.543" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="7116" PostId="3689" Score="0" Text="Yes - that is the page that I mean.  I had kind of gathered what you said already.  It isn't very clear as an interface.  For example, it lists a bunch of questions and then under it is some text - where did that text come from?  What does &quot;helpful&quot; mean, and how did it end up deemed as such?  What do the stats on the right hand side mean.  Was I helpful, or did I mark things as helpful?  What does declined mean?  This looks interesting, but it isn't intuitive to me.  Someone clearly spent some time building it - could they follow up with some more info?" CreationDate="2012-10-04T09:14:06.727" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="7117" PostId="3689" Score="0" Text="@dunxd  If you have more questions, fell free to post them in the comments to this answer, and I'll edit the answers into my answer, provided I know the answer." CreationDate="2012-10-04T09:43:15.843" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7118" PostId="3689" Score="1" Text="helpful = a mod marks it so and it means its valid. Declined means a mod didn't think it was a valid flag. enough valid flags = deputy and marshall badges." CreationDate="2012-10-04T09:43:47.727" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="7111" PostId="3690" Score="5" Text="I am waiting for windows to install.  It should finish in 39 minutes.   BTW sometimes when I am here I am actually trying to get work done by searching for answers to my questions." CreationDate="2012-10-04T06:27:32.287" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="7114" PostId="3691" Score="0" Text="The best reason I know of for letting them have that second machine to compile on. ;)" CreationDate="2012-10-04T07:57:01.980" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7119" PostId="3692" Score="0" Text="+1 I only average 1.8 Answers per day; minimal effort over the long haul makes a big difference." CreationDate="2012-10-04T12:54:03.130" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7115" PostId="3693" Score="0" Text="+1 I reckon that pretty much sums it up for most of us." CreationDate="2012-10-04T07:59:23.927" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7123" PostId="3701" Score="1" Text="Yep. Meta is the place to discuss this sort of thing." CreationDate="2012-10-04T15:23:41.043" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7126" PostId="3701" Score="3" Text="By the way, thanks for taking the effort to ask.  Entirely too rare." CreationDate="2012-10-04T15:36:22.197" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7127" PostId="3702" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your kind answer. I understand your argument. I'm an amateur and I do it for pleasure, not for money. I never worked with computers serving more than 10 people. It never said in the Q&amp;A that this site is only for pros. Even if it is &quot;odd&quot;, I feel it is unfair for taking 8 points from me for asking of existence of specific feature of ZFS, or a simple walk-around it." CreationDate="2012-10-04T17:56:33.093" UserId="118374" />
  <row Id="7128" PostId="3702" Score="2" Text="@AdamRyczkowski The very first line of our FAQ states SF is for Pros only, I know most people don't read it so we try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Also, I know what you mean about the Rep Points, but if you stick around you'll find they pretty easy to earn, and quite meaningless in the grand scheme of life (I've given away thousands through bounties; it's like money, when you got it, it's easy to give away)." CreationDate="2012-10-04T18:00:34.010" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7132" PostId="3702" Score="0" Text="Yes... I don't know how did I miss it. Now I understand all your objections and I stand corrected ;-)." CreationDate="2012-10-04T18:42:29.740" UserId="118374" />
  <row Id="7133" PostId="3703" Score="0" Text="The problem was, that actually I didn't read the FAQ, and didn't know the site is dedicated to professionals." CreationDate="2012-10-04T18:46:16.077" UserId="118374" />
  <row Id="7148" PostId="3706" Score="5" Text="&quot;This isn't a rant&quot; Well yes, it really is." CreationDate="2012-10-06T11:16:59.760" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7228" PostId="3706" Score="1" Text="I almost voted on this, but then I realized it is not a question ;)" CreationDate="2012-10-11T16:26:17.757" UserId="8741" />
  <row Id="7229" PostId="3706" Score="4" Text="Meta is different: http://meta.serverfault.com/faq#vote-differences" CreationDate="2012-10-11T16:54:06.177" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="17185" PostId="3706" Score="0" Text="“If you think a question is good enough to deserve an answer and you take the time to provide one, why don't you vote it up?” – Because often good underlying questions are asked with barely any effort. On other wiki-style sites (those without a rep award system) I would simply edit the question to make it clearer. But here on Stack Exchange, that would mean that the user who made no effort would get lots of rep points for the resultant upvotes and I'd get none." CreationDate="2015-03-18T20:52:18.153" UserId="114908" />
  <row Id="7149" PostId="3707" Score="1" Text="When I read @wards request this morning I just knew people would focus on that statement. I disagree with it too but I do agree with the request as a whole. More people voting more often in all aspects of SF is require for us to improve." CreationDate="2012-10-06T19:37:15.700" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7150" PostId="3707" Score="0" Text="@Iain, that topic has been discussed before and everything I said last time still applies. More voting will *not* improve SF. That's just a load of nonsense. People don't come here to count votes, they come to solve or help solve problems. If the number of votes effects whether or not people participate then I can only say it's time for them to grow a pair end get a real life or stay away and stick to WoW." CreationDate="2012-10-06T22:35:52.397" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7158" PostId="3707" Score="4" Text="@JohnGardeniers  You're entitled to your opinion, but it shows a fundamental failure to understand or consider human psychology.  Even meaningless points in meaningless endeavors have an impact, because we've been programmed over billions of years to believe more is better than less.  And when talking about a decisions on where to waste one's idle time, frankly, a place like this needs any edge it can get, or why would anyone waste time here over a movie or a video game or a book (etc.)?" CreationDate="2012-10-06T23:18:09.823" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7184" PostId="3707" Score="0" Text="+1 for &quot;questions I see are outside my area of expertise&quot;." CreationDate="2012-10-08T17:42:35.903" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="7151" PostId="3708" Score="0" Text="What _might_ have happened here is that the question was automatically culled as a rejected migration. Since your question originated in Stack Overflow, when closed here it was automatically locked and the migration rejected, at which point the Stack Overflow version of it would be shown as closed as off topic (you'd have to dig in it's history to find out that it was once migrated). Rejected migrations do get automatically deleted at some point (I think after a month), but I'm uncertain on whether they get deleted when they've  got answers at the target site." CreationDate="2012-10-06T22:38:22.743" UserDisplayName="user112504" />
  <row Id="7152" PostId="3708" Score="0" Text="What I'd like is some way to be notified when this sort of thing happens, so I can go vote to reopen the questions, but that's another question..." CreationDate="2012-10-06T22:40:19.637" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7153" PostId="3708" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton  Lucky for you, as an auto-deletion(?) it can't be reopened by voting anyway.  Huzzah!  Or something." CreationDate="2012-10-06T22:42:01.537" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7154" PostId="3708" Score="0" Text="There was a feature request on MSO asking for notifications when a question of yours is closed, but if I remember correctly it was declined. Can't find the post right now, I vaguely remember it was fairly old, this might be worth bringing up again. But look for that feature request, or related ones, before you post your own." CreationDate="2012-10-06T22:42:45.967" UserDisplayName="user112504" />
  <row Id="7155" PostId="3708" Score="2" Text="Why was this sent to m.sf??? We can't answer &quot;why&quot;" CreationDate="2012-10-06T22:52:31.317" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7159" PostId="3708" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson Well, we (the SE team) monitor all metas, so we can still answer. If we miss something, please ping [one of us](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/99338/) in the Teacher's Lounge. And since this is about something that happened here on Server Fault, it makes sense that the question's asked here. I don't necessarily agree with migrating it off of MSO, but please don't just migrate back. Close and reject the migration in the future. Multiple migrations of the same question are problematic all over the place. (This one created a second copy of the question on MSO.)" CreationDate="2012-10-07T03:51:41.253" UserId="101854" />
  <row Id="7160" PostId="3708" Score="1" Text="With all that said, I'm keeping the question here. If someone else on SF has a similar issue, they don't necessarily have to know about MSO to get an answer." CreationDate="2012-10-07T03:53:53.683" UserId="101854" />
  <row Id="7161" PostId="3709" Score="4" Text="Voting should be considered a social good. If we want the site to succeed we need more people involved. The only way to do this is to encourage them with voting." CreationDate="2012-10-07T09:54:54.223" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7163" PostId="3709" Score="0" Text="@iain I agree, and I do my part.  When it comes to getting others to do their part, however, as I said, I think that's a problem that ultimately needs to SE team to address if we want any meaningful progress." CreationDate="2012-10-07T16:33:15.223" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7168" PostId="3709" Score="0" Text="On the topic of incentive, when I reached 15K the only difference I noticed since 10K was that I am now able to protect questions (which I don't think I've done yet). If/when I get to 20K I'll receive one new &quot;power&quot;, although it's one that I'll be less likely to use. In other words, for all real practical purposes I'll be no better off at 20K than I was at 10K. For that matter, I was actually better of *before* 10K because at least then I didn't have to see all the deleted crap. As for voting, I vote honestly, which I believe is far more important than the number of votes I cast." CreationDate="2012-10-08T06:22:36.393" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7253" PostId="3709" Score="0" Text="You've made a bunch of good points... A few comments on some of them: Your point is still valid, but I don't think it takes genius to recognize good posts, especially since most SysAdmins have a pretty wide range of experience.  I read almost all questions, so &quot;how to find good stuff to vote for&quot; isn't an issue for me.  For someone who's looking to cast some votes, a really easy way to find worthwhile questions or answers is to look at the answers from any high-rep user." CreationDate="2012-10-13T23:39:47.430" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="22996" PostId="3709" Score="0" Text="I agree, ultimately the apathy is because the system doesn't incentivize. People like to answer mostly for rep (low rep users)" CreationDate="2021-07-11T13:41:54.727" UserId="625899" />
  <row Id="23223" PostId="3709" Score="0" Text="Re *&quot;no reward to voting&quot;*: There are badges, even a gold badge. It is not much of a reward, but enough to be a problem with other badges (e.g., robo reviewers in the review queues). (\[[New attention.](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/390864/competing-with-chatgpt-answers-an-experts-perspective/390883#comment1306092_390871)\].)" CreationDate="2023-07-02T11:17:05.040" UserId="5144" />
  <row Id="7166" PostId="3710" Score="1" Text="I'm always right. &lt;ducks&gt;" CreationDate="2012-10-08T02:02:37.880" UserDisplayName="user112504" />
  <row Id="7167" PostId="3710" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos Challenge accepted..." CreationDate="2012-10-08T02:03:15.053" UserId="101854" />
  <row Id="7181" PostId="3711" Score="0" Text="Just to drop my 2 ct here - not all people capable of close-voting are really convinced that close-voting questions on a large scale is a good thing." CreationDate="2012-10-08T14:39:28.697" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="7183" PostId="3711" Score="1" Text="@syneticon-dj: This isn't anything to do with the large scale purges we've had ~ this is just day to day review management of the new questions we get." CreationDate="2012-10-08T15:27:22.433" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7188" PostId="3711" Score="0" Text="If the day to day housework is done there should be no real need for large scale purges in the future." CreationDate="2012-10-08T22:07:52.790" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7175" PostId="3713" Score="0" Text="That covers what happens during and after a migration but you completely failed to answer the main part of the question - &quot;How do you reject a migration?&quot;" CreationDate="2012-10-08T10:43:31.387" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7182" PostId="3713" Score="0" Text="?? The first sentence and the two bullet points cover that.  You reject a migrated question by closing it for one of those reasons.  If it gets closed as a duplicate, e.g. that's not a rejection." CreationDate="2012-10-08T15:23:53.093" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="7185" PostId="3713" Score="0" Text="&quot;is considered to be rejected&quot; isn't the same as &quot;how do I reject&quot;. I was attracted to the question in the hope that I might somehow be able to reject all that crap that comes over from SO. I didn't think it was possible but nevertheless the question title gave me hope. Extremely misleading." CreationDate="2012-10-08T22:00:58.220" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7192" PostId="3713" Score="0" Text="Ok, I took out &quot;considered to be&quot; and clarified that you have to vote to help reject a question." CreationDate="2012-10-09T01:13:19.500" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="7193" PostId="3713" Score="0" Text="That's better, thanks." CreationDate="2012-10-09T02:07:48.423" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7174" PostId="3714" Score="0" Text="Whether it's SF or any other site, please read *all* the FAQ, not just the little bit that when read in isolation appears to make your question valid." CreationDate="2012-10-08T09:58:38.700" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7164" PostId="3716" Score="0" Text="Thanks for clarifying - I guess my fault for not reading properly, I'll try over at SU" CreationDate="2012-10-07T20:13:54.073" UserId="112130" />
  <row Id="7169" PostId="3717" Score="0" Text="My issue wasn't with bugs in chat. My issue was that I couldn't even *get into* chat. Anyway, I did eventually get in." CreationDate="2012-10-08T06:26:26.200" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7172" PostId="3717" Score="1" Text="Not being able to get *into* chat is a bug by any definition. The shortcut tends to log me in nearly all the time however. Hit the link, click on the button, and it usually just logs in perfectly fine." CreationDate="2012-10-08T07:55:46.620" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="7173" PostId="3717" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the shortcut but I dare say that by the time I want to get into chat again they will have changed the whole system." CreationDate="2012-10-08T09:26:27.647" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7176" PostId="3720" Score="0" Text="As a moderator you could theoretically delete the accepted answer, but you cannot remove the acceptance from the post. Whether it is a good idea to do that is a different question." CreationDate="2012-10-08T11:28:35.497" UserDisplayName="user51326" />
  <row Id="7177" PostId="3720" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist - actually I don't think I can delete accepted answers either" CreationDate="2012-10-08T11:30:49.237" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7178" PostId="3720" Score="1" Text="Regular users can't, diamond moderators can delete accepted answers." CreationDate="2012-10-08T11:31:40.423" UserDisplayName="user51326" />
  <row Id="7179" PostId="3720" Score="0" Text="Perhaps you can edit and improve the answer instead?" CreationDate="2012-10-08T12:18:37.227" UserId="139873" />
  <row Id="7180" PostId="3720" Score="1" Text="Still my preferred answer: [What to do with an accepted answer which is plainly wrong?](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/3658/what-to-do-with-an-accepted-answer-which-is-plainly-wrong/3660#3660)" CreationDate="2012-10-08T12:50:57.513" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7186" PostId="3720" Score="0" Text="If the ownership can be changed it should be changed to &quot;community&quot;, just to keep things neutral." CreationDate="2012-10-08T22:03:22.413" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7187" PostId="3720" Score="0" Text="@jokerdino, editing a question or answer in a way that changes its intent or meaning is *never* a good thing to do, regardless of how much it may be improved by editing." CreationDate="2012-10-08T22:05:44.937" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7190" PostId="3720" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers - i agree. Or even a new dummy user created specifically for owning that question" CreationDate="2012-10-08T22:18:03.880" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7191" PostId="3720" Score="0" Text="@jokerdino - as John mentions, editing is generally done to fix syntactical/grammatical/spelling errors, not to append/change the actual answer itself. It would be unfair to the person who posted the answer to go and totally change it under the premise of &quot;He's wrong&quot; (he's not wrong, there's just better answers)" CreationDate="2012-10-08T22:19:23.723" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7194" PostId="3722" Score="0" Text="Good point......" CreationDate="2012-10-09T02:24:33.393" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7195" PostId="3722" Score="2" Text="It probably needed more cowbell" CreationDate="2012-10-09T08:11:37.853" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7196" PostId="3722" Score="0" Text="I was thinking the other end." CreationDate="2012-10-09T09:39:04.637" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7199" PostId="3724" Score="4" Text="As a Sub-3k user, I'll just flag, downvote, and move on. Spam really don't hang around for long so I woudln't worry about adding something extra to the edit queue only for it be deleted a few moments later." CreationDate="2012-10-09T14:22:25.380" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="7203" PostId="3724" Score="2" Text="The number of votes on your question and its answers, which is pretty high for Meta posts, should give you an inkling of how we feel about spam, which generally has a proportional response time." CreationDate="2012-10-10T04:29:00.087" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7197" PostId="3725" Score="4" Text="Editing out really isn't necessary since new user's links have `nofollow`, they don't get indexed by search engines. This makes Astroturfing particularly annoying as there's no chance of the spammer accomplishing their goals." CreationDate="2012-10-09T13:49:37.073" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7198" PostId="3725" Score="4" Text="@ChrisS They're still links to things that don't matter, though. At least that's how I look at it." CreationDate="2012-10-09T13:50:48.523" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7201" PostId="3725" Score="3" Text="@ChrisS They're still links to things that could be dangerous." CreationDate="2012-10-09T15:59:17.160" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7202" PostId="3725" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS If the user makes a little edit to an experienced user's links, but sneaks in a link to his own sites, is that link `nofollowed`?" CreationDate="2012-10-09T23:17:38.183" UserId="119357" />
  <row Id="7257" PostId="3725" Score="0" Text="@ObsessiveSSOℲ It wouldn't matter much as anyone [under 2000 rep](http://serverfault.com/privileges/edit) has to have their edit approved by a high rep user/moderator before it goes on the live site." CreationDate="2012-10-15T18:44:49.810" UserId="87047" />
  <row Id="7258" PostId="3725" Score="0" Text="@TylerShads I'm noting about a user maliciously &quot;typoing&quot; a link where a high-rep user doesn't notice the &quot;change&quot;, in that case, is the link nofollowed?" CreationDate="2012-10-15T19:08:47.940" UserId="119357" />
  <row Id="7200" PostId="3726" Score="4" Text="@Bryan Generally we knock out flags within an hour or two on our worst days - blatant spam will usually get buried (by the community or the wrath of the mods) much quicker than that." CreationDate="2012-10-09T14:23:09.103" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="18980" PostId="3726" Score="0" Text="It's not automagic, it's autmatic. Please respect the work of the programmers involved ;-) Ha ha ha." CreationDate="2015-06-02T15:07:24.793" UserId="188837" />
  <row Id="7204" PostId="3727" Score="1" Text="Can you link to the answer in question?" CreationDate="2012-10-10T17:41:59.397" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7205" PostId="3727" Score="0" Text="http://serverfault.com/a/436934/" CreationDate="2012-10-10T17:46:54.140" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="7206" PostId="3727" Score="1" Text="BTW, I cannot reproduce.  It loaded, and I was able to edit without any problems." CreationDate="2012-10-10T17:48:22.000" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="7207" PostId="3727" Score="0" Text="Worked for me too.  Clearly, ServerFault is just not JohnGardeniers-compatible." CreationDate="2012-10-10T17:52:53.620" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7208" PostId="3727" Score="1" Text="Sounds like a Layer-8 problem to me ;)" CreationDate="2012-10-10T18:00:30.867" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="7212" PostId="3727" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b, you may well be correct. I had in fact started wondering if there was some connection with my less than flattering comments about the devs." CreationDate="2012-10-10T21:40:58.993" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7234" PostId="3730" Score="0" Text="FYI: [tag:Shibboleth] is software somebody might ask about on SF and already has 15 questions with that tag..." CreationDate="2012-10-11T21:36:19.527" UserId="7645" />
  <row Id="7237" PostId="3730" Score="1" Text="When I saw &quot;Shibboleet&quot; I thought it must be some religious event and why would anyone ask a question about on SF. Anyway, have a -1 for suggesting that people get thrown into chat against their wishes." CreationDate="2012-10-12T04:41:12.027" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7240" PostId="3730" Score="3" Text="I take your point and I'm not arguing the downvote @JohnGardeniers but I would point to the comic and suggest that anyone who intentionally types in 'Shibboleet' is wishing for *something* to happen." CreationDate="2012-10-12T10:35:40.067" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7243" PostId="3730" Score="1" Text="@freiheit Good thing we're talking about Shibboleet." CreationDate="2012-10-12T18:43:58.607" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7247" PostId="3730" Score="0" Text="@DJ, the reason I didn't read the whole comic is the same reason I no longer read xkcd at all. *Too many words* I like comics to be short and to the point, like Dilbert." CreationDate="2012-10-12T22:28:06.043" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7260" PostId="3730" Score="0" Text="Looks interesting..." CreationDate="2012-10-17T03:40:12.287" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="7230" PostId="3731" Score="2" Text="Yep, it would need to do that as well I think" CreationDate="2012-10-11T21:04:50.253" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7231" PostId="3733" Score="0" Text="Used to be that you clicked on something on a standard SE website, and it was linked to that.  Guess it got changed somewhere along the line." CreationDate="2012-10-11T21:07:08.690" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="7233" PostId="3733" Score="0" Text="I think clicking on your reputation used to take you there.  If you hover over your username on the main site there's a little `privileges` link at the top of the rep score card that should take you there (obligatory red circle photo coming shortly)" CreationDate="2012-10-11T21:14:08.397" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7235" PostId="3733" Score="1" Text="Now we know who you down voted!" CreationDate="2012-10-11T21:46:24.220" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7236" PostId="3733" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson That's not true - there are TWO answers on that question with negative scores :-)" CreationDate="2012-10-11T22:01:50.290" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7238" PostId="3733" Score="3" Text="Mine doesn't look like that at all. There's no red highlighting or arrow and it doesn't say &quot;Click me&quot;." CreationDate="2012-10-12T04:44:41.723" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7241" PostId="3733" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers Your monitor must be broken. [I think it's a stuck pixel](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yTe6yEhgBw) &lt;- Foamy Cartoon, possibly not safe for work, especially if you tend to laugh at tech support jokes." CreationDate="2012-10-12T13:59:06.657" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7248" PostId="3733" Score="0" Text="I never heard of Foamy before. I'm just having breakfast, so this has started my day with a smile. Thanks. :)" CreationDate="2012-10-12T22:35:46.143" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7244" PostId="3737" Score="1" Text="OK, but then you must allow the author to DELETE a question and not have to wait the two days." CreationDate="2012-10-12T20:57:45.450" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="7245" PostId="3737" Score="2" Text="@mdpc well the logic is we would rather you try to edit and improve your question instead of deleting it. If you feel that it is not something that can be salvaged (or is off topic and can't be made on topic)  you can always flag for a moderator to delete it (not guaranteed they will though)." CreationDate="2012-10-12T21:33:18.987" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="7246" PostId="3737" Score="1" Text="Ahhh....but a deleted question is still visible to the author who can undelete it after making changes.  So why not allow the author to DELETE it without the 2 day delay." CreationDate="2012-10-12T21:36:36.947" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="7251" PostId="3737" Score="0" Text="Deleted questions and answers also remain visible to 10K+ members." CreationDate="2012-10-13T01:11:31.673" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7249" PostId="3738" Score="0" Text="What browser?  Were you at the default zoom level?  The site gets a bit wonky if you mess around with zoom levels." CreationDate="2012-10-13T00:38:06.557" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="7250" PostId="3738" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache I'll edit with these details. Sorry." CreationDate="2012-10-13T00:39:15.427" UserId="119357" />
  <row Id="7252" PostId="3738" Score="0" Text="With all the other bugs the system has something as trivial as a very minor cosmetic issue is unlikely to even get looked at." CreationDate="2012-10-13T01:15:44.400" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7259" PostId="3740" Score="0" Text="In that case I'll go back to what I've been doing all along." CreationDate="2012-10-17T00:44:29.317" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7255" PostId="3741" Score="3" Text="Please don't tag a question just because an answer mentions it. If it's not in the question then the tag doesn't belong." CreationDate="2012-10-15T04:31:51.360" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7256" PostId="3741" Score="0" Text="Thanks, will avoid this pitfall in the future." CreationDate="2012-10-15T05:42:18.193" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="7275" PostId="3746" Score="2" Text="Missed one.  I see that [tag:failed] is still not merged into [tag:plesk]." CreationDate="2012-10-18T16:44:58.353" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7261" PostId="3748" Score="0" Text="Needs moar merge!" CreationDate="2012-10-17T09:33:06.410" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7267" PostId="3749" Score="0" Text="Had you taken a few moments to look over the site you would have noticed at least a few of the very many nginx questions that were *not* closed." CreationDate="2012-10-17T23:48:07.610" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7268" PostId="3749" Score="0" Text="...some of which I asked or answered." CreationDate="2012-10-18T00:12:56.050" UserId="39440" />
  <row Id="7269" PostId="3749" Score="0" Text="Then why *this* question?" CreationDate="2012-10-18T02:16:53.937" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7270" PostId="3749" Score="0" Text="Because I was puzzled about the reason for the closed question I found. I couldn't identify a reason for the closure, so I asked. The answers have been helpful, and Chris S has also added a helpful comment to the original question, so overall it has been a net positive, and I appreciate it." CreationDate="2012-10-18T10:58:23.203" UserId="39440" />
  <row Id="7272" PostId="3749" Score="0" Text="I could understand asking why a question was closed but I don't understand asking if it's because of a topic that you have already seen is quite clearly on topic." CreationDate="2012-10-18T12:18:56.270" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7273" PostId="3749" Score="1" Text="The confusion you are describing, if I understand you, is precisely the confusion I wanted to resolve with this question. (And it was resolved, thanks very much to those who helped.) I saw a question which *appeared to me* to be quite clearly on topic, and yet it had been closed as off-topic. So I asked why (maybe policies had changed? maybe, as was the case, I was missing something?), and received an answer." CreationDate="2012-10-18T13:21:18.217" UserId="39440" />
  <row Id="7263" PostId="3750" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification, and also to Chris S for posting a comment on the question explaining the closure. I didn't pick up on the shopping smell, but I see it now that you've pointed it out." CreationDate="2012-10-17T14:27:26.640" UserId="39440" />
  <row Id="7274" PostId="3752" Score="0" Text="+1 for cromulent usage of the word `cromulent`." CreationDate="2012-10-18T13:26:58.837" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7288" PostId="3753" Score="0" Text="Note to future attention to this question, I was just looking for feedback on my style of question asking." CreationDate="2012-10-22T00:15:29.400" UserId="120793" />
  <row Id="7264" PostId="3754" Score="0" Text="*le sigh*  You're right.  It's just that this issue has been going on for a while and I had posted about it before.  I'll just cross my legs and sit quietly." CreationDate="2012-10-17T16:03:19.860" UserId="120793" />
  <row Id="7265" PostId="3754" Score="2" Text="I gave you my best guess at an answer (UID overlaps are bad, mmkay?) :)" CreationDate="2012-10-17T16:06:32.633" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7271" PostId="3754" Score="0" Text="If you posted it before: is this one a duplicate of an older one?" CreationDate="2012-10-18T10:59:11.430" UserId="85932" />
  <row Id="7287" PostId="3754" Score="0" Text="Neither.  The specifics of the question changed.  Thus I deleted the previous and reposted with the new information." CreationDate="2012-10-22T00:14:28.527" UserId="120793" />
  <row Id="7277" PostId="3756" Score="1" Text="I wonder if perhaps there should be a system rule to automatically merge or synonym plurals to the non-plural version of the same." CreationDate="2012-10-18T21:07:38.207" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7276" PostId="3758" Score="1" Text="Basic authentication is not limited to HTTP. The term &quot;basic authentication&quot; has been used to describe clear text name and password authentication of just about anything since long before HTTP even existed." CreationDate="2012-10-18T21:05:27.367" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7278" PostId="3758" Score="0" Text="Could you provide any reference for that?" CreationDate="2012-10-19T06:52:50.947" UserId="73768" />
  <row Id="7279" PostId="3758" Score="0" Text="I don't feel the need to provide a reference for what is, or at least should be, common knowledge. I realise you're only young but even so you must have come across the term before without it referring to HTTP." CreationDate="2012-10-19T09:30:59.293" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7280" PostId="3761" Score="1" Text="They'd need two 10k users to mark it invalid... But that does work." CreationDate="2012-10-20T00:45:23.500" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7281" PostId="3762" Score="1" Text="Yup - pretty much if your flag makes no sense the worst thing that will happen is we'll mark it as declined.  Generally though if you spot a lousy question that can be improved you can downvote it and leave a comment, then when the poster fixes it just reverse your downvote :)" CreationDate="2012-10-20T01:31:24.650" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7286" PostId="3763" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the insight.  voretaq7 provided a relevant answer already." CreationDate="2012-10-22T00:13:24.503" UserId="120793" />
  <row Id="7290" PostId="3763" Score="0" Text="Just because one answer is relevant doesn't mean the other isn't." CreationDate="2012-10-22T02:28:41.677" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7282" PostId="3764" Score="1" Text="To the extent that your question is valid, because I bill by the hour.  However, it's not particularly valid, and seems to be based on incorrect assumptions about both programmers and SAs." CreationDate="2012-10-20T21:40:16.273" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7283" PostId="3764" Score="0" Text="Please read [How can I ask better questions on Server Fault?](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/3608/126632)" CreationDate="2012-10-20T21:48:28.227" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7284" PostId="3764" Score="0" Text="I interpreted that question as a shopping question because you're really asking for a product, which is off topic." CreationDate="2012-10-21T00:31:11.200" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7285" PostId="3765" Score="0" Text="Good example. So basically you think sysadmins and software programmers are in a comparable position. This is a great relief - although it seems to make it a common IT-problem." CreationDate="2012-10-21T19:12:19.237" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="7315" PostId="3765" Score="0" Text="It's more likely to be a people-problem than a technical-folks problem.  The parsing libraries example is very apropos, but my personal favorite example is terminal applications." CreationDate="2012-10-23T14:11:12.003" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="7289" PostId="3768" Score="2" Text="Seems sensible that X should be the tag - one day there may be an X12" CreationDate="2012-10-22T00:21:06.163" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7300" PostId="3768" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7, perhaps [xserver] would have been better?  Though [xserver] is pretty close to [xserve]. I wonder if most of what is in [xorg], and [xserver] should be migrated over to the main tag, since that was what was chosen." CreationDate="2012-10-22T21:42:57.370" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="7301" PostId="3768" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache I would go with [x-window-system] or [x-windows] personally" CreationDate="2012-10-22T21:51:40.563" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7302" PostId="3768" Score="0" Text="Somebody merged [tag:x] to [tag:x11] already. If it was you, please write an answer so I can put the nice green check mark next to it." CreationDate="2012-10-22T21:52:43.320" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7291" PostId="3769" Score="0" Text="The questions tagged [tag:x] which refer to [tag:macosx] seem to be in the minority, from a quick look." CreationDate="2012-10-22T02:36:39.067" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7292" PostId="3769" Score="0" Text="That was just one example that popped into my head. It's just that I see X11 as being the more valid case that just X, because it's much more obvious what it's referring to." CreationDate="2012-10-22T02:40:06.030" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7293" PostId="3769" Score="0" Text="8 of 42 questions tagged [tag:x] actually referred to [tag:macosx]. They have all been dealt with. None of the 42 had anything to do with X11 on Mac OS X." CreationDate="2012-10-22T02:43:40.510" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7294" PostId="3769" Score="0" Text="Maybe you've just presented your own case for not merging the two tags." CreationDate="2012-10-22T07:45:27.043" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7295" PostId="3769" Score="0" Text="What are you talking about?" CreationDate="2012-10-22T13:21:04.040" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7303" PostId="3769" Score="0" Text="&quot;None of the 42 had anything to do with X11&quot; sounds to me like a good argument for *not* merging X and X11." CreationDate="2012-10-22T22:22:28.223" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7304" PostId="3769" Score="0" Text="None of the 42 had anything to do with X11 on Mac OS X." CreationDate="2012-10-22T22:22:55.793" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7299" PostId="3771" Score="0" Text="It did not work at first. So I waited for couple hours - the list of ignored tags got updated (it was empty), and the checkbox worked (but I had to check it again." CreationDate="2012-10-22T17:49:20.877" UserId="134143" />
  <row Id="7305" PostId="3772" Score="2" Text="I find it faintly annoying that questions about building and installing development tools get closed as off-topic by the SO community, then to add insult to injury, migrated to somewhere wholely unsuitable. The SO FAQ allows for these questions *&quot;but if your question generally covers...software tools commonly used by programmers...then you’re in the right place to ask your question!&quot;*. Grr." CreationDate="2012-10-23T02:36:52.577" UserId="822" />
  <row Id="7310" PostId="3772" Score="3" Text="@Kev Seems like you're bringing your beef to the wrong meta :)" CreationDate="2012-10-23T03:14:57.857" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7312" PostId="3772" Score="0" Text="@Kev: Indeed, all of the *AMP setup and debug questions that originate on SO fall into this category too along with developer environments in Type II hypervisors and on client OS." CreationDate="2012-10-23T09:19:18.707" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7297" PostId="3773" Score="8" Text="And I don't care if it was migrated from SO or originated here, they should be treated the same." CreationDate="2012-10-22T17:42:05.773" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7298" PostId="3773" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton agreed, I've just noticed more of them coming through the migration pipeline than actually originating here." CreationDate="2012-10-22T17:47:30.290" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7309" PostId="3774" Score="8" Text="I disagree. Compiling *your own code* is certainly programming related. Compiling Apache to support specific modules isn't and could be on topic here, depending on the rest of the content." CreationDate="2012-10-23T03:14:15.140" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7311" PostId="3774" Score="3" Text="*Could* be on topic if *started* on SF but perfectly on topic for SO and should not be migrated away from there. Compiling is compiling, no matter who wrote the ode." CreationDate="2012-10-23T05:02:20.477" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7313" PostId="3774" Score="2" Text="I bet if you asked SO mods whether or not compiling a web server was on-topic on SO you would get a different answer. :)" CreationDate="2012-10-23T10:46:00.000" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7442" PostId="3774" Score="0" Text="It all depends on *why* you're compiling. If you want to add new feature or change default behaviour of apache or apache module, then SO *is* the place to ask the question." CreationDate="2012-11-05T10:36:36.693" UserId="55663" />
  <row Id="7450" PostId="3774" Score="0" Text="If you start going down that track where do you stop? Do you then ask why you need those feature? Why don't you use a different approach to solve the same problem? No, that's all irrelevant. The &quot;why&quot; of it is *always* the same - you're building software. The reasons for building the software isn't a factor." CreationDate="2012-11-07T01:25:18.990" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7316" PostId="3775" Score="0" Text="I really wish the time close votes got reset could be different.  Living in UTC-8 means that the close votes reset at 5:00pm.  I don't want to spend time reviewing things during work, though I will occasionally answer some.  I don't want to use all my close votes at the 'beginning' of the day (when I get off work), or else I won't have any tomorrow." CreationDate="2012-10-23T22:00:24.430" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="7317" PostId="3775" Score="0" Text="If you are reside in PDT, that happens at 4PM." CreationDate="2012-10-23T22:28:51.323" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="7319" PostId="3775" Score="0" Text="@mdpc Which will end in a couple weeks.  In any case it is still annoying for me since it resets a few hours before I would prefer it to&gt;  I want to be able to use all my close votes before I go to bed and wake up to a new set.  But I am sure there is no perfect time." CreationDate="2012-10-23T23:27:43.310" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="7318" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="And getting kind of tired of running out of them at 4 hours into the day too. Still got 1000 questions in the queue to review." CreationDate="2012-10-23T23:14:06.670" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="7333" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="Yeah, this number seem way too low to me based on the request for help that was given in a previous message.  I'd like to suggest that this limit be substancially raised to about 100." CreationDate="2012-10-24T19:56:24.580" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="7320" PostId="3779" Score="0" Text="I see you just posted an answer, and it's now 100%" CreationDate="2012-10-24T00:49:27.020" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7321" PostId="3779" Score="0" Text="Lol. I just came back to delete/answer the question. The problem indeed was between the monitor and the chair ;-)" CreationDate="2012-10-24T00:50:10.450" UserId="3681" />
  <row Id="7322" PostId="3779" Score="0" Text="For the life of me, I was SURE I checked each question - I didn't want some poor answerer to go un-noted." CreationDate="2012-10-24T00:50:54.193" UserId="3681" />
  <row Id="7323" PostId="3780" Score="0" Text="Don't forget we only get 24 close votes per day, which usually run out right after breakfast." CreationDate="2012-10-24T04:57:33.643" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7324" PostId="3780" Score="0" Text="And there's days where I only close about 2/3 of the ones I see, so I could review as many as 40 on those days. Which still allows me to contribute something on days when I know I'm too busy to go look for good questions to answer." CreationDate="2012-10-24T04:59:19.363" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="7327" PostId="3780" Score="2" Text="As @ward says there are ways to game the system. I can't see that this has been a problem on SF as we're more focussed on quality rather than the badges. As is often the case problems caused by the size of SO are 'fixed' network wide." CreationDate="2012-10-24T07:27:05.190" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7332" PostId="3780" Score="1" Text="@Iain In general, I agree, but we *are* having our own cases of people apparently voting w/out much thought, e.g. http://serverfault.com/review/close/9299" CreationDate="2012-10-24T19:05:08.620" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="7334" PostId="3780" Score="0" Text="If you are going to ask for help, with the close queue sometimes in excess of several hundred, this low a limit will be a negative in getting the help you all desire and need.  Please consider raising these limits and we will happily help you out and bring our outstanding amounts down to something reasonable." CreationDate="2012-10-24T19:59:22.000" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="7339" PostId="3780" Score="0" Text="@mdpc: We have no control over the number of votes that individuals have - that is determined by SE. All we can do is request that more people get involved. Right now SF has 288 people &gt;3k but only about 30 use he /review-&gt;close queue. The queue is (slowly) going down so more people would certainly make a difference." CreationDate="2012-10-24T21:35:19.237" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7325" PostId="3783" Score="4" Text="This might have something to do with StackExchange having extended review privileges to low-rep users, but that's a separate issue. It still makes no sense to me that a user with editing privileges can no longer *approve* an edit that he/she would have been able to *make* without approval." CreationDate="2012-10-24T07:09:19.207" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="7326" PostId="3783" Score="2" Text="@MilesErickson: You need 2k to review suggested edits which is the same as editing privilege. It's just more of the same *we have a problem on SO we can fix with a hammer*." CreationDate="2012-10-24T07:22:22.497" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7328" PostId="3783" Score="2" Text="The situation had got pretty bad, even here on SF I've seen numerous bad edits come through (heck, one of my own Answers got an ed-suggest with blatant spam, approved by someone who **really should have known better**). One thing they pull were stats for how long people looked at ed-suggests before approving; something like 90% were &lt;5 second, and a notable number were &lt;2 seconds (it takes the page most of a second to load the suggestion, so people were/are approving based on ~1 second of reviewing)! The core problem is still there; just masked a bit by requiring multiple people to screw up." CreationDate="2012-10-24T13:43:16.787" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7340" PostId="3783" Score="2" Text="@ChrisS That's quite amazing. Are people reviewing and approving edits so fast because they're trying to rack up completed review tasks and earn badges? If that's the case, it sounds like we might be incentivizing inappropriate behavior." CreationDate="2012-10-24T23:17:32.890" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="7341" PostId="3783" Score="0" Text="@MilesErickson yes, that is the case. Lots of discussions on meta.so about it." CreationDate="2012-10-25T15:55:59.860" UserId="118522" />
  <row Id="7355" PostId="3783" Score="6" Text="Then take away the badges." CreationDate="2012-10-27T00:05:17.117" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7392" PostId="3783" Score="1" Text="This has nothing to do with SO (SO has required multiple approvals for a long time now) or badges (the [complaints regarding sloppy approvals](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/137784/what-can-we-do-to-stop-bad-edits-getting-accepted) predate both the badges and the new format)." CreationDate="2012-10-31T04:36:44.340" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="7329" PostId="3785" Score="0" Text="Thanks! At least I now know that I haven't gone completely insane. For a while it seemed like I was the only person on earth who did not think that the question was completely off topic." CreationDate="2012-10-24T15:17:20.880" UserId="3214" />
  <row Id="7330" PostId="3785" Score="0" Text="Your edits confused the issue a bit. MQSeries has the same problems as IIS, since the port appears in-use all the time (and cannot be used by either IIS or MQ). I'll edit to make this clearer." CreationDate="2012-10-24T15:20:35.850" UserId="3214" />
  <row Id="7331" PostId="3785" Score="0" Text="Oops, thank you for fixing that... I get a bit heavy handed in cleaning up questions sometimes." CreationDate="2012-10-24T15:27:41.520" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7335" PostId="3788" Score="0" Text="5 (I think ) normal or one moderator Do Not Close will remove all close votes and then remove the question from the close queue." CreationDate="2012-10-24T20:37:03.603" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7336" PostId="3788" Score="0" Text="@Iain Having watched for that exact behavior, I'm very sure that a mod no-close has no effect on any in-place close-votes. And [this](http://serverfault.com/review/close/9215) review has two mods voting no-close." CreationDate="2012-10-24T20:39:49.453" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7337" PostId="3788" Score="0" Text="However, the few cases I can see of double-mod no-closes are all very close together so there may be a timing component involved. The vast majority of mod-actions are the final actions." CreationDate="2012-10-24T20:44:42.913" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7338" PostId="3788" Score="0" Text="My mSO-Fu is weak. I asked in TL and apparently 3 normal or 1 mod DNC vote will remove it from the queue and start the close votes ageing  immediately (rather than requiring 100 views?). I see this in both the links you provide because I can't use the review queue to vote I only have a next button." CreationDate="2012-10-24T21:00:05.150" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7342" PostId="3789" Score="0" Text="If a mod casts the last vote then whatever they choose." CreationDate="2012-10-26T08:58:13.923" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7343" PostId="3789" Score="0" Text="And if a mere mortal casts it?" CreationDate="2012-10-26T09:02:14.180" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7354" PostId="3790" Score="2" Text="I assume then if the first vote was the odd one then the next vote would apply." CreationDate="2012-10-27T00:03:24.213" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7344" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="Isn't there some sort of mechanism that catches this (including rep farming)?" CreationDate="2012-10-26T13:23:49.420" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="7345" PostId="3791" Score="9" Text="I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger to a mSO user as the cause. You are kind of a dick on SF too. ;)" CreationDate="2012-10-26T13:25:33.797" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7346" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra Well, sure.  But when looking for deviations from pattern to explain anomalous behavior, I don't think that observation does any good. :p" CreationDate="2012-10-26T13:35:43.153" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7347" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="It's actually two users, and one of them has a history... Regardless, the vote-fraud detector will figure it around midnight UTC (8PM EDT)." CreationDate="2012-10-26T13:38:37.993" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7348" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS  Thanks.  Does kinda make participation seem pointless for the day.  I may have to resort to the horrors of working.  And on a Friday... the inhumanity!" CreationDate="2012-10-26T13:44:31.510" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7349" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="Scratch that... It's one user and his sock-puppet. He wont be bothering you for at least another 7 days. He doesn't have a mSO account linked, so I'll have one of the mSO mods look for his IP." CreationDate="2012-10-26T13:49:20.350" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7351" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS  Could be that MDMarra's right, and I pissed off someone on SF.  Stranger things have happened than MDMarra being right. :)" CreationDate="2012-10-26T14:01:48.937" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7362" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="Care to update us on this? Have the votes been reversed as they should have?" CreationDate="2012-10-29T08:16:35.110" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7377" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers  Added an answer for you, since you asked." CreationDate="2012-10-30T00:55:30.547" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="11859" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="This just happened to me... http://meta.serverfault.com/q/5896/13716  What a bunch of crazy negativity on SF." CreationDate="2013-10-17T00:47:20.123" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="7350" PostId="3795" Score="0" Text="Yeah, that is getting out of control. What's the story with Fedora DS/389 DS? What's the new name?" CreationDate="2012-10-26T13:57:16.963" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7352" PostId="3795" Score="0" Text="Are there any substantial differences between Fedora 8 &amp; Fedora 17? If not this makes some degree of sense since Fedora releases major versions about as regularly as every other OS releases patches..." CreationDate="2012-10-26T15:07:38.880" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7353" PostId="3795" Score="1" Text="There are major differences between the releases. If we'd merge all Fedora tags, we'd also need to merge all Windows XP/2000/Vista/7/8 tags. And yes - the differences between distinct Fedora releases are big enough to legitimate different tags." CreationDate="2012-10-26T23:35:54.240" UserId="95812" />
  <row Id="7368" PostId="3795" Score="0" Text="If we start merging those where do we stop?" CreationDate="2012-10-29T10:38:33.873" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7369" PostId="3796" Score="0" Text="OK. I'm not a Fedora administrator, and I'm really amazed that it changes THAT much between releases. Change the OP to status-declined." CreationDate="2012-10-29T11:11:51.147" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="7363" PostId="3797" Score="0" Text="When confused about such things you should start by reading the FAQ." CreationDate="2012-10-29T08:19:37.803" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7356" PostId="3798" Score="0" Text="I see. That definitely makes sense, then. I'm used to the math.SE community, which seems to be more open to open-ended, less-than-practical questions." CreationDate="2012-10-27T03:13:42.493" UserId="133389" />
  <row Id="7358" PostId="3798" Score="1" Text="Those are almost always frowned on here at Server Fault. They rarely end up well." CreationDate="2012-10-27T03:24:12.667" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7357" PostId="3799" Score="0" Text="The Wikipedia article I mentioned made it pretty clear that RAID 2 is rarely used. I doubt people are rejecting RAID 2 on pure superstition, so there probably *is* an objective answer. In any case, Michael Hampton gave a [valid reason for closure](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/3798/133389), so I'm satisfied." CreationDate="2012-10-27T03:18:10.583" UserId="133389" />
  <row Id="7365" PostId="3800" Score="1" Text="The problem is not the wording of the subtitle but the way it's being interpreted. We can do nothing about the latter." CreationDate="2012-10-29T08:28:57.887" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7370" PostId="3800" Score="4" Text="@JohnGardeniers: I agree entirely that our problem is interpretation of scope, in particular the definitions of professional, server and IT, really are so broad that we could be considered helpdesk to the internet. The powers that be seem to feel that our current subtitle doesn't help so changing it and seeing if it makes a difference is the only way to move on." CreationDate="2012-10-29T11:13:27.457" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7558" PostId="3800" Score="0" Text="This has been implemented - August's suggested was used. Well, some of it." CreationDate="2012-11-12T20:59:19.170" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="7566" PostId="3800" Score="2" Text="@Shog9, for the benefit of those of us who don't see the voting options on SO but have an interest in the matter, can you please tell us what wording was used? I'm guessing it wasn't option 2." CreationDate="2012-11-13T04:34:35.513" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7567" PostId="3800" Score="0" Text="&quot;Q&amp;A for professional system &amp; network administrators&quot;, @John" CreationDate="2012-11-13T04:35:15.763" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="7359" PostId="3803" Score="10" Text="-1 Sorry, way too many words, users will *never* read all those." CreationDate="2012-10-28T14:38:47.867" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7367" PostId="3803" Score="1" Text="I like this one, but I share Chris's concern about too many words." CreationDate="2012-10-29T09:09:26.053" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="7446" PostId="3805" Score="0" Text="I like the &quot;Expert Q&amp;A&quot;, but adding professional (twice!) on top of that is redundant." CreationDate="2012-11-06T10:24:57.373" UserId="29107" />
  <row Id="7448" PostId="3805" Score="0" Text="@Tobu a fair point, though in my mind its extra emphasis that this is for IT professionals asking questions about professional use of computers. (e.g. questions I have about my mac mini at home are still off topic here even though I'm a sysadmin)" CreationDate="2012-11-06T13:28:17.507" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7364" PostId="3806" Score="1" Text="To me that's even more vague than what we currently have and is likely to result in even more crap from SO. Remember, devs and admins generally don't share the same definition of &quot;IT&quot;." CreationDate="2012-10-29T08:27:07.920" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7372" PostId="3806" Score="0" Text="I like the length, but share John's concern about Devs' interpretations." CreationDate="2012-10-29T14:10:08.477" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7366" PostId="3807" Score="0" Text="Care to give us an example question? Perhaps there is a better alternative than taking it to chat." CreationDate="2012-10-29T08:31:11.067" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7371" PostId="3807" Score="0" Text="This was the most recent question I tried to help with: http://serverfault.com/questions/443221/ec2-filesystem-files-stored-on-the-wrong-partiton-after-launching-new-instance" CreationDate="2012-10-29T12:14:41.920" UserId="98296" />
  <row Id="7373" PostId="3809" Score="0" Text="I did try the prompted option to create the chat room at the time (because the comments had gotten long already and it was automatically detected). But when I clicked on that, it did not create the room, and instead told me the other member only had rep of 7 and 20 was needed.  I didn't know the other manual way, but will try it the next time this kind of thing happens (hopefully sooner in the comment thread)." CreationDate="2012-10-29T17:26:11.480" UserId="98296" />
  <row Id="7374" PostId="3809" Score="0" Text="Sounds like a fun error... I tried the &quot;manual&quot; process with a brand new 1 rep user and it worked fine, so I know that much works for me at least." CreationDate="2012-10-29T17:27:46.707" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7376" PostId="3809" Score="0" Text="Thanks. That's the approach I'll go for next." CreationDate="2012-10-29T21:35:36.997" UserId="98296" />
  <row Id="7457" PostId="3813" Score="0" Text="Exploitable? Yes, made me wonder what happens if the downvotes are then removed. Does the reversal then stay in place giving a bonus?" CreationDate="2012-11-07T19:10:51.003" UserId="9732" />
  <row Id="7469" PostId="3813" Score="0" Text="@ZanLynx I was thinking more along the lines of rep whoring for the Epic/Legendary badges, but that's an interesting thought too..." CreationDate="2012-11-07T19:33:54.470" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7382" PostId="3814" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I was aware of FreeBSD jails, but I've never seen them referred to as a &quot;chroot jail&quot;, and I didn't spot any questions using the tag to mean that. Should I start manually retagging questions if this shouldn't be done with a mass-retag?" CreationDate="2012-10-30T07:19:25.237" UserId="115189" />
  <row Id="7384" PostId="3814" Score="0" Text="Seems like chroot-jail should be deleted, with questions retagged to &quot;chroot&quot; or &quot;jail&quot; as is appropriate." CreationDate="2012-10-30T15:10:17.090" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7395" PostId="3815" Score="1" Text="Irony: your post and this discussion would not have been possible with this rule enabled. :-) Also, we would see &quot;R-T-F-M&quot;, &quot;R.T.F.M.&quot; or &quot;R*T*F*M&quot; etc." CreationDate="2012-10-31T07:54:33.527" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="7396" PostId="3815" Score="0" Text="Um, no... The Blacklists are per site. Apparently nobody understands how they work. =[" CreationDate="2012-10-31T13:09:32.063" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7415" PostId="3815" Score="2" Text="If nobody understands how they work it can only be due the complete lack of documentation. When it comes to understanding how SE works ignorance **is** an excuse, because it's being carefully cultivated." CreationDate="2012-11-01T03:33:47.660" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7385" PostId="3817" Score="0" Text="97 posts isn't a terrible amount of posts to re-write" CreationDate="2012-10-30T15:57:38.493" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="7386" PostId="3817" Score="4" Text="@pauska It is when they don't need to be rewritten." CreationDate="2012-10-30T15:59:02.690" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7387" PostId="3817" Score="3" Text="If you ban &quot;RTFM&quot; on these grounds, you may as well ban &quot;Google&quot; on these grounds as well." CreationDate="2012-10-30T15:59:10.747" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7388" PostId="3817" Score="0" Text="Fine, don't rewrite them but block future posts from containing the acronym? I can't see how blocking &quot;RTFM&quot; is bad, when we block people from writing &quot;Help&quot; in a title.." CreationDate="2012-10-30T16:04:56.167" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="7389" PostId="3817" Score="0" Text="&quot;Why can't I paste the output of installing `rvm` into a Server Fault question?&quot;" CreationDate="2012-10-30T16:05:37.363" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7390" PostId="3817" Score="0" Text="Banning it wouldn't necessitate rewriting any existing questions... We can also make an exemption for when the content contains &quot;RVM&quot; as well. I'm a bit miffed that RVM even does that. The rest, I really don't see self-deprecation as an excuse. But I'll agree that it may need some more thought." CreationDate="2012-10-30T16:51:56.753" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7398" PostId="3821" Score="4" Text="+1 - an IT professional will know to google `topic RFCs` or visit http://www.rfc-editor.org -- you may have a few RFC numbers committed to memory if you use them frequently (e.g. I know RFC 822/2822 for email, because I yell at mail admins for violating them all the time - same for RFC 1918), or you may know ones you're working with at the moment, but you shouldn't waste brainpower memorizing the numbers. Concentrate more on the important content." CreationDate="2012-10-31T15:45:35.843" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7393" PostId="3826" Score="2" Text="Fair enough - thanks for helping us understand the reasoning behind the change!" CreationDate="2012-10-31T05:23:43.707" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="7394" PostId="3826" Score="3" Text="Thanks for the explanation, even though it looks like another case of treating the symptoms instead of the disease. Perhaps there could instead be a penalty system for bad edits that get rolled back. Say 5% of the approver's rep. That might make people a little more careful." CreationDate="2012-10-31T06:53:52.950" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7397" PostId="3826" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers Your proposed punishment system is a reaction to the symptoms, it's still not a &quot;solution to the problem&quot;. The problem is that we're dealing with the Public. Unless you want to make SE a closed community you're never going to change the fact that half of users are below average intelligence/responsibility/respect..." CreationDate="2012-10-31T13:16:08.147" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7413" PostId="3826" Score="0" Text="@Chris, I disagree (with the first sentence *only*). By punishing the perpetrators we would in fact be dealing with the disease." CreationDate="2012-11-01T03:22:02.650" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7400" PostId="3827" Score="2" Text="It's just one point man, don't sweat it. =)" CreationDate="2012-10-31T17:14:37.257" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7402" PostId="3827" Score="2" Text="http://serverfault.com/privileges/vote-down - mods don't get to see if you downvote ;)" CreationDate="2012-10-31T17:14:51.327" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7403" PostId="3827" Score="0" Text="its not the amount of rep I have a problem with, i just don't think its the correct way to &quot;reward&quot; someone for a good comment." CreationDate="2012-10-31T17:16:11.170" UserId="57261" />
  <row Id="7404" PostId="3827" Score="3" Text="@MikeT: It's nothing to do with the comment. I suspect you downvoted the answer and as the link above explains when you do that, you loose one rep point and the OP looses two." CreationDate="2012-10-31T17:18:18.690" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7405" PostId="3827" Score="0" Text="That sounds plausible to me, I just didn't realise that it may have been for the down vote, its not something I normally do." CreationDate="2012-10-31T17:21:04.197" UserId="57261" />
  <row Id="7407" PostId="3827" Score="0" Text="@Iain Nope, I'm the single downvote on that &quot;answer,&quot; not MikeT." CreationDate="2012-10-31T17:25:54.507" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7408" PostId="3827" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b: the answer has 2 downvotes - so now they're accounted for." CreationDate="2012-10-31T17:27:47.177" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7410" PostId="3827" Score="1" Text="@Iain  Dear God, you're right.  So the important question becomes who upvoted that... thing?" CreationDate="2012-10-31T17:30:16.317" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7412" PostId="3827" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b We've got serial upvoters going for the Electorate badge." CreationDate="2012-10-31T17:35:23.497" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7399" PostId="3828" Score="0" Text="+1 Your account shows that you have never lost any reputation.... Also, comments can't lead to a loss of reputation." CreationDate="2012-10-31T17:06:30.400" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7401" PostId="3828" Score="0" Text="The answer has now been removed and my rep on serverfault has been restored to its original value (but not on here yet)" CreationDate="2012-10-31T17:14:44.650" UserId="57261" />
  <row Id="7406" PostId="3828" Score="1" Text="Looks like you downvoted the Answer. You got a +1 &quot;refund&quot; when I delete the crap answer. However, I still don't see where you ever lost the point in the first place... Meta does take a little while to cache your new rep, that's normal." CreationDate="2012-10-31T17:25:48.483" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7409" PostId="3828" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS: Remember voting is private and even mods don't get to see how someone voted so we wouldn't see a -1 for a downvote." CreationDate="2012-10-31T17:29:03.103" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7411" PostId="3828" Score="0" Text="@Iain Nevermind; I'm dumb. We can see things he earned reputation for. He got 232 points in &quot;up&quot; reputation, which is where he was... I was thinking &quot;no -1 in there&quot;... I forgot you start at 1, so 1 + 232 =&gt; 233 and he was at 232." CreationDate="2012-10-31T17:32:25.703" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7414" PostId="3830" Score="2" Text="I like that first one. While not really accurate, as it's too exclusionist, it should at least convey the correct message. I like the second one as well but unfortunately we all know that's never going to happen." CreationDate="2012-11-01T03:31:02.097" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7445" PostId="3830" Score="0" Text="Short of being able to vote not to change it at all, as Iain has deleted his &quot;not worth changing&quot; answer, I like this one the most. It describes what SF essentially is and it does not have the shortcoming of letting me feel like I just swallowed a rubber duck after reading which is what I feel like with most of the other suggestions. As the tagline is not only displayed in the migration options dialog, but also in the site list from the drop-down, a significantly longer version would look awkward and out-of-place given other sites' short taglines." CreationDate="2012-11-06T08:15:19.070" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="7416" PostId="3831" Score="0" Text="I think I have figured it out in FAQ's&#xA;&#xA;I think I might just need to figure out both the parts separately and then give my detail research with both the tags and then I should ask the query if required." CreationDate="2012-11-01T04:30:59.153" UserId="141817" />
  <row Id="7417" PostId="3832" Score="0" Text="thanks for the reply. I think I have figured it out in FAQ's&#xA;&#xA;I think I might just need to figure out both the parts separately and then give my detail research with both the tags and then I should ask the query if required." CreationDate="2012-11-01T04:31:15.703" UserId="141817" />
  <row Id="7418" PostId="3834" Score="0" Text="I admit the the questions with tag of a programming language should be on programming questions but my query is KVM Server based on virtualization but since I am implementing it in C++ and may include some of the code snippets discussion also thats why I was concerned about posting here. any way I'll do it on programming question and filter the KVm discussion on server fault." CreationDate="2012-11-01T10:59:50.043" UserId="141817" />
  <row Id="7423" PostId="3834" Score="1" Text="If the code snippets are relevant then it's a programming question it belongs on SO. If you ask about getting information from a device but frame it without it being a programming question then it may well suitable for SF. Many of us are indeed devs as well as sysadmins but we need to keep the topics separate. I do understand it's not always easy to separate the different facets of writing applications but it must be done." CreationDate="2012-11-01T23:35:41.637" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7424" PostId="3834" Score="0" Text="thanks for the explanation john. I'll keep thin in mind for my future references." CreationDate="2012-11-02T03:46:34.667" UserId="141817" />
  <row Id="7419" PostId="3836" Score="0" Text="Ah, so this can be dupe-closed, I guess. I didn't find the original question, probably because I didn't include the words &quot;mobile site&quot;. Thanks." CreationDate="2012-11-01T22:21:42.143" UserId="143702" />
  <row Id="7420" PostId="3836" Score="0" Text="And with the hurricane they probably a) have bigger fish to fry right now and b) would want to move everything back to the main site before fixing it. We've been very fortunate that the service is running well." CreationDate="2012-11-01T22:25:49.460" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="7421" PostId="3836" Score="0" Text="@LevLevitsky - it's also on a different site (meta.so instead of meta.se). So I'll leave it here as a signpost for others :)" CreationDate="2012-11-01T22:31:33.600" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7422" PostId="3836" Score="0" Text="Missed that. Silly me :)" CreationDate="2012-11-01T22:38:16.807" UserId="143702" />
  <row Id="7451" PostId="3837" Score="0" Text="VTC = vote to close, right? (just checking). The count isn't cached, so in theory, it should always be accurate. I've never observed this behavior, and it isn't repro'ing now, so I've added the [status-repro] tag. We'll keep an eye on it. Sorry about that." CreationDate="2012-11-07T01:30:43.703" UserId="31532" />
  <row Id="7452" PostId="3837" Score="0" Text="@Emmett Yep, that's correct. I should note that this behavior was observed using iPad/Safari, so perhaps it's doing some aggressive caching that it shouldn't have been doing." CreationDate="2012-11-07T03:01:42.997" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="7425" PostId="3839" Score="3" Text="Are programmers &quot;IT Experts&quot;? What about Power Users, Web Masters, and hobbyists?" CreationDate="2012-11-02T13:26:10.317" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7444" PostId="3839" Score="1" Text="sounds like a tagline for an Anonymous Admins self-help group meeting" CreationDate="2012-11-06T08:09:04.263" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="7439" PostId="3840" Score="0" Text="Yes, that was it. The inconsistency cleared up at some point overnight." CreationDate="2012-11-03T02:43:43.920" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="7426" PostId="3841" Score="1" Text="http://stackexchange.com/sites#traffic earlier in the year we had 125 questions/day now it's 141." CreationDate="2012-11-02T21:00:07.153" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7453" PostId="3841" Score="0" Text="@Iain is this admin-only? What I get to see is just an abundance of blobs presumably representing all SE sites." CreationDate="2012-11-07T07:18:41.740" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="7455" PostId="3841" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj: Not that I'm aware of - did you log in? I only see the pretty blobby stuff if I go incognito." CreationDate="2012-11-07T08:31:41.373" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7456" PostId="3841" Score="0" Text="Just blobs for me, even when logged in." CreationDate="2012-11-07T09:27:44.293" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="7502" PostId="3841" Score="0" Text="@Iain just as for MadHatter blobs only, even after login. Any non-admin seeing more than this?" CreationDate="2012-11-08T16:43:25.290" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="7503" PostId="3841" Score="2" Text="@syneticon-dj: I just noticed on the right hand side of the line beginning `All Technology` there are `list view` and grid `view buttons` so I guess that's it." CreationDate="2012-11-08T16:48:19.807" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7504" PostId="3841" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter see above." CreationDate="2012-11-08T16:48:39.447" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7506" PostId="3841" Score="0" Text="Much better; thank you!  But I take it the historical data (&quot;was 125 questions/day&quot;) is your own record, not something that page is telling you?" CreationDate="2012-11-08T17:12:50.557" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="7614" PostId="3841" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter: Sorry only just found this. The 125 is a data point from some time over the summer." CreationDate="2012-11-15T10:42:24.510" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7615" PostId="3841" Score="0" Text="Don't worry about the delay, I bet you have a ton of stuff to do on SF besides keep up with my comments!  And that all makes perfect sense now, thanks." CreationDate="2012-11-15T10:47:28.240" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="7427" PostId="3843" Score="3" Text="For the record, MDMarra is not a Server Fault moderator. He is however a high-reputation user with a good eye for topicality, particularly &quot;shopping&quot; questions. Also, if you would like to discuss why certain comments were deleted I would like your permission to include the deleted comments in this meta question." CreationDate="2012-11-02T23:11:04.393" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7428" PostId="3843" Score="0" Text="Yes You may - I don't Dislike or hate MdMarra - I read his posts and blog too - I just don't ask a question - I do my homework - i have learned that from my seniors at work. My Question was not a shopping question :-) - I still feel confident on that. Also anyone reading this Please do not think that I have any dis-respect for MdMarra - end of the day Serverfault - is just a technical forum.&#xA;&#xA;Also, It will be interesting to read your thoughts on the question i have referenced right at the top, as to Why it is not considered a shopping question by Yourself, as you provided me that link ?" CreationDate="2012-11-02T23:15:30.913" UserId="32058" />
  <row Id="7429" PostId="3843" Score="0" Text="@voretaq - I rephrased my question - i put so much effort into it, reposted it as new and you closed that one ? I thought the old one was closed ? can you please copy and paste the new rephrased question into the old one so that it reflects exactly as to what I am seeking - thanks" CreationDate="2012-11-02T23:21:44.313" UserId="32058" />
  <row Id="7430" PostId="3843" Score="0" Text="@rhiatum The questions appear to be substantially identical except the preamble - If you would like to edit your original question please go ahead (I've cleared the lock as it served its purpose), but please *do not include meta discussion of what you're looking for, why you think the original was locked, etc. in the question*. (It should be obvious what you're looking for - if it isn't edit the question so it is. Meta discussion obviously belongs here on Meta...)" CreationDate="2012-11-02T23:29:43.940" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7431" PostId="3843" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 ; Can you please close the original question and re-open the new re-phrased question - as the old one is already down-voted (though it shouldn't) and have a lot of comments spoiling the page. Also, You told me to open a discussion on meta about the question so I did, (I don't understand your sarcastic comment &quot;THANK YOU - most people don't) - Please remove that too as it feels insulting. I can delete the Meta in new-rephrased question once it is re-opened or you can edit it too. Thanks !" CreationDate="2012-11-02T23:44:25.893" UserId="32058" />
  <row Id="7435" PostId="3843" Score="3" Text="I've deleted that comment, but my thanks are genuine and no offense was intended. Most of the time when I ask people to open a meta discussion they either ignore me or post a flounce to the effect of `Server Fault is mean and they're never coming back ever ever to infinity!!!!!1111ONEELEVENTY` -- you're genuinely interested in asking good questions, which makes you exactly the kind of person we *want* on the site :-)" CreationDate="2012-11-03T00:33:32.517" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7436" PostId="3843" Score="1" Text="I've also re-opened your second question (cleaning up the header) -- Take a look at some of the answers here and consider editing both questions (I'd suggest points A &amp; B on the original since Dave M already answered part of it, and one of the other points on the second question).  Alternatively if you'd prefer to start over just raise a flag on both posts asking us to delete them and I or one of the other mods can make them go away." CreationDate="2012-11-03T00:39:16.787" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7441" PostId="3843" Score="0" Text="I hope you didn't take my comment the wrong way, I wasn't trying to be rude. Also, I'm not a moderator, so I can't see who flags comments - the fact that you were downvoted after flagging my comment is just a coincidence. As others have explained, A and B make up a good question, the rest is answered by &quot;it depends&quot; or would need *a lot* of details about your specific environment that you don't provide. A and B are useful, but unfortunately, in a 6 part question, you can't just upvote the 2 parts that are good and downvote the 4 that aren't on topic. :)" CreationDate="2012-11-04T13:42:28.700" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7433" PostId="3844" Score="3" Text="Take all of my upvotes!" CreationDate="2012-11-02T23:55:51.920" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7434" PostId="3844" Score="0" Text="Thanks zoredache ... I have selected delete on the question .. I will ask again about the same products ...however I feel that voteraq7 did not mentioned the same points as u have. Please delete both of my questions and I will ask about sepm , SQL server, desktop recovery 2011 separately. Thanks" CreationDate="2012-11-03T00:08:15.057" UserId="32058" />
  <row Id="7438" PostId="3844" Score="0" Text="Very well said." CreationDate="2012-11-03T01:25:46.343" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="7437" PostId="3845" Score="3" Text="On main you would have gotten +50 by now from sheer respect for breaking the tl;dr; records." CreationDate="2012-11-03T01:23:42.930" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="7440" PostId="3845" Score="2" Text="Hi Voretaq7 : Thank you for your detailed reply - Very Helpful and Highly appreciated. Infact I have used stackprint and saved this whole page as a pdf for my future reference and I will always come back to this before phrasing / asking my questions. If any of my words have came across as dis-respectful I sincerely apologise to you and to MdMarra and to the Brains behind serverfault / stackexchange. Now, I would request &quot;Delete&quot; on both of my questions in a few minutes from now, I will then break my question into smaller parts, rephrase as required and post them. so i might post 3   posts. TY." CreationDate="2012-11-03T12:32:15.920" UserId="32058" />
  <row Id="7454" PostId="3845" Score="3" Text="I was going to upvote this because I found it thoughtful, considerate, precise, and generally a model of dispute handling.  What actually happened was I upvoted it because of the Wile E. Coyote reference, which made me laugh so hard and at such a bad time that I've ruined **yet another** keyboard." CreationDate="2012-11-07T07:37:11.490" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="7443" PostId="3846" Score="1" Text="I find this to be fairly vague and exclusionary, even more so than August's." CreationDate="2012-11-06T00:24:49.057" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="7458" PostId="3850" Score="1" Text="It doesn't help that you keep deleting it before anyone has a chance to respond." CreationDate="2012-11-07T19:26:06.157" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7461" PostId="3850" Score="10" Text="Actually, I twice tried to supply constructive feedback. By the time I was tried to click 'Add Comment', it was gone." CreationDate="2012-11-07T19:28:13.660" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="7462" PostId="3850" Score="4" Text="@Omnifarious &quot;So that you can get feedback&quot; seems like the obvious answer to that question." CreationDate="2012-11-07T19:28:17.030" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7460" PostId="3851" Score="1" Text="I consider it a matter of politeness to leave a comment before downvoting something. Especially if it doesn't have any downvotes." CreationDate="2012-11-07T19:27:51.727" UserId="71430" />
  <row Id="7464" PostId="3851" Score="7" Text="I downvoted it and immediately began leaving a comment. I couldn't post it, because you had already deleted the question by the time I was done typing. This is squarely your fault." CreationDate="2012-11-07T19:29:08.980" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7465" PostId="3851" Score="7" Text="Leaving a comment is *not* required for a reason. It would be polite however to check if a question is topical before posting it." CreationDate="2012-11-07T19:29:49.137" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="7466" PostId="3851" Score="4" Text="@Omnifarious There is no requirement for users to explain downvotes. It has been discussed extensively and the general consensus is it would just lead to rude comments because people are forced to say *something*. That said, if you leave your question up the reason for downvotes will be clear when someone has the time to leave a comment, or the question is closed (the closure reason usually aligns well with why a question got downvoted)." CreationDate="2012-11-07T19:29:50.923" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7470" PostId="3851" Score="4" Text="@Omnifarious Your actual question is `&quot;Can any of you recommend anything more to do? Is there anything I'm planning that you consider sub-optimal?&quot;` - That's **way** too broad. By a lot. Like, a real lot. We expect questions that are reasonably scoped with a proper amount of detail. If you want to know about disk performance on this, calculate how many IOPS you need, how much throughput, etc. Once you have that and you have some hardware you're considering, you can ask about that specific hardware in specific RAID levels - for example." CreationDate="2012-11-07T19:34:55.430" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7472" PostId="3851" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra: Ahh. Well, that means this is a completely useless place to ask my question as I will likely never know the answers to those questions. It's actually been a huge pain to measure performance for the VirtualBox builds. They take approximately 7 times longer than native builds and there doesn't seem to be any obvious reason for them to. Though that's on different hardware, and we don't have the resources to compare the builds on the same hardware. But yes, I can see how that would be really open-ended." CreationDate="2012-11-07T19:39:18.437" UserId="71430" />
  <row Id="7473" PostId="3851" Score="1" Text="It's because of problems like that, that many of us avoid VirtualBox in production environments. It's fine for toying around, but it's not really used for anything serious." CreationDate="2012-11-07T19:41:49.040" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7474" PostId="3851" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra: I've been wondering about that. My experience with VirtualBox with loads requiring heavy disk IO has been very poor in general. I should try VMWare I suppose. Anyway, thanks for the answer to both of my questions. I do read FAQs and am quite familiar with this site. It just bothers me immensely to have all kinds of nebulous negativity I don't understand surrounding a question that seems like a perfectly valid and on-topic question. The explanation of what's wrong with it makes perfect sense though." CreationDate="2012-11-07T19:45:41.297" UserId="71430" />
  <row Id="7475" PostId="3851" Score="2" Text="@Omnifarious It's definitely a different environment than many other SEs, since this site is aimed solely at professionals. Many of us spend large amount of time profiling our requirements, so when we see questions that don't contain at least basic profiling and aren't reasonably scoped, sometimes it comes off as &quot;Do my job for me.&quot; I know that wasn't your intention, but we're much more receptive to specific technical questions rather than broad &quot;How should I architect this&quot; questions." CreationDate="2012-11-07T19:48:21.557" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7496" PostId="3851" Score="0" Text="@Omnifarious, on the subject of who SF is for, perhaps you should consider that based on what you have written in your rather insulting and incorrect bio you don't even qualify to participate on SF. Please consider SU for future questions." CreationDate="2012-11-08T07:36:12.570" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7510" PostId="3851" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers: What's insulting or incorrect about it?" CreationDate="2012-11-08T17:45:21.300" UserId="71430" />
  <row Id="7511" PostId="3851" Score="0" Text="Regarding, what I assume, is the &quot;insulting&quot; part - `I've noticed that this site tends to have a slight bias for existing members. Members with a higher reputation tend to be voted up more even if their answer is very similar to someone else's with a lower reputation.` - This is really by design. The more quality answers you give, the more reputable you are. This means that users can quickly identify that your answers are usually of a decent quality, which attracts upvotes. I don't really see this as a problem, and most of the high rep users that I know vote for whoever is right regardless." CreationDate="2012-11-08T17:47:39.297" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7512" PostId="3851" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers: Additionally, your supposition that some people simply aren't qualified to participate on SF is both contrary to the propaganda about the stack exchange sites generally but completely confirms my suspicions and thoughts about the casual and 'well-meaning' elitism present here." CreationDate="2012-11-08T17:48:21.493" UserId="71430" />
  <row Id="7513" PostId="3851" Score="0" Text="From our faq: `Server Fault is for Information Technology Professionals needing expert answers related to managing computer systems in a professional capacity.&quot;` - If you are a developer, you almost never fall into this category. Now, we don't usually discriminate based on job title if your question is topical and well thought out, but this is exactly why questions about dev systems are off-topic here. We're **not** like most other SE sites. Those sites are all aimed at pros and amateurs alike. Server Fault is not." CreationDate="2012-11-08T17:51:25.673" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7515" PostId="3851" Score="1" Text="@MDMarra: It's sometimes a problem. I have noticed sometimes particular users developing a 'fan' following of people who upvote them even when there are clearly better answers showing that don't receive upvotes. But this isn't a common occurrence. With regards to the FAQ, well, I suppose that makes sense. I know more about systems administration than most programmers, but I would by no means call myself a professional sysadmin. I can play one in a pinch, and the systems I administrate will not end up a total mess, but it's not where I belong. And in that sense I guess I agree." CreationDate="2012-11-08T18:02:38.880" UserId="71430" />
  <row Id="7501" PostId="3853" Score="1" Text="The root of the problem seems to be with questions being posted to the wrong community, so many questions get posted to SO that have nothing to do with SO related topics. Fix that and I think SF will have less of these issues." CreationDate="2012-11-08T16:27:24.637" UserId="130518" />
  <row Id="7518" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="@scape I agree that's probably the ideal solution, but I think our chances of fixing the great unwashed mass of the internet (getting them to post *decent questions* to the right site, and not post crap at all) are even lower than our chances of fixing Stack Overflow (getting regular users to stop migrating crap)." CreationDate="2012-11-08T23:37:35.857" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7521" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="@mdpc - This isn't really a feature request, since I'm not requesting that this be done in my question. I'm simply asking the community what their thoughts are." CreationDate="2012-11-09T03:40:43.140" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7529" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="Why not make it one based on the comments here?" CreationDate="2012-11-09T21:12:35.567" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="7530" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="I'll leave that to someone with a diamond that can get the attention of a community manager" CreationDate="2012-11-09T21:13:23.920" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7589" PostId="3853" Score="1" Text="I'd rather add *more* sites to the migration list (e.g. Ask Ubuntu, Webmasters, Programmers, Android &amp; Unix)." CreationDate="2012-11-14T08:21:03.660" UserId="13551" />
  <row Id="7592" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="@neu242 do you have any justification for this? It seems SO is having a hard time handling what they already have available. Note that I've already proposed that for SF and the answer was basically &quot;go away&quot;: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/118685/should-some-communities-have-more-than-4-migration-targets" CreationDate="2012-11-14T11:49:17.420" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7600" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="What happens when we reach new year next year? 200% maybe even 300%? What is this madness?" CreationDate="2012-11-14T20:51:14.343" UserId="86280" />
  <row Id="7684" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13461557/monitor-profile-memory-bandwidth-usage-in-linux?noredirect=1  &lt;-- Another migrated gem." CreationDate="2012-11-20T15:09:25.410" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7703" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="@neu242 I know you'd like to add those so that the best of the people using the migrate tools can use them well, but don't forget that the worse of the people using the migrate tools will also be able to use them to create chaos." CreationDate="2012-11-21T20:06:32.283" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7708" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="@RobM Then raise the amount of moderator points needed to use migrate tools." CreationDate="2012-11-22T07:54:55.687" UserId="13551" />
  <row Id="7774" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="&quot;status-completed&quot; - Three cheers and thanks for making our little corner of the digital world a happier place to be." CreationDate="2012-11-30T23:44:27.573" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7494" PostId="3854" Score="0" Text="I find myself reluctantly giving this one a +1. I don't like the idea of taking us off the list, but you're right, it's been a problem for a long time and a few more weeks isn't going to make a difference." CreationDate="2012-11-08T04:28:41.090" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7495" PostId="3854" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson Indeed.  As the saying goes, `hope is the denial of reality`.  Sad but true. :(" CreationDate="2012-11-08T05:50:38.500" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7498" PostId="3854" Score="12" Text="What's the difference between those who've been on SF for a few years compared to those who've only been on SF a few months? The amount of time we've been complaining about this problem. There should be a badge for it." CreationDate="2012-11-08T08:02:03.873" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7505" PostId="3854" Score="3" Text="@JohnGardeniers A complaining badge?  I think I like that idea. :)" CreationDate="2012-11-08T17:07:05.080" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7508" PostId="3854" Score="0" Text="Talking of badges, did you know that you get badges for 30 days or 100 days consecutive visits to the site but nothing for a full year's worth? I've always found that a bit odd." CreationDate="2012-11-08T17:27:37.543" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7514" PostId="3854" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Yeah, I think they kind of limited their options when they decided to award the gold badge for 100 days in a row...  no higher-level badges than gold." CreationDate="2012-11-08T17:54:49.730" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7552" PostId="3854" Score="2" Text="How about adding Ask Ubuntu in that slot? Some of the migrated questions are really simple Ubuntu-related questions so that might drive at least some of the 'bad' questions away." CreationDate="2012-11-12T16:10:17.090" UserId="67070" />
  <row Id="7553" PostId="3854" Score="3" Text="@KrzysztofHasiński Even though Ubuntu is undeniably evil and awful, I don't think we should be submitting another stack exchange community to the same horror of StackOverflow migrations that we're trying to remove ourselves from." CreationDate="2012-11-12T16:13:30.770" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7554" PostId="3854" Score="0" Text="@KrzysztofHasiński, you're more than welcome to suggest to the AU community that they replace SF. I can't help mention that it's probably a bad idea and they might regret it down the line." CreationDate="2012-11-12T16:15:29.307" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="7569" PostId="3854" Score="1" Text="I just looked at the negative voted questions from SO related to Ubuntu. Most of them are questions how to install an IDE or some programming language tools. Off to the meta AU I go ;)" CreationDate="2012-11-13T08:30:22.473" UserId="67070" />
  <row Id="7481" PostId="3855" Score="0" Text="I'm 10k+ on SU as well. When I'm off of the train, I'll look at the stats there as well for you." CreationDate="2012-11-07T22:20:15.990" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7486" PostId="3855" Score="2" Text="I don't know what SU's stats look like, but it might just be best if SO users couldn't migrate at all (Mods, who are usually much more responsible than users, would still retain migration rights). The closer we look at it the more apparent the problem, and lamenting crappy migrations hasn't helped one bit in the last year. I'm on board with cutting it off now as well." CreationDate="2012-11-08T00:51:50.243" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7491" PostId="3855" Score="0" Text="SU has a 10% rejection rate on 1330 questions right now. I haven't been active there in years, though, so I can't speak to topicality there. It seems like SU should have the lowest rate or rejection, since it's a catch-all assuming that the question itself isn't terrible." CreationDate="2012-11-08T01:43:17.510" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7492" PostId="3855" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra We've had some meta traffic from them for being the, er, dustbin of the trilogy (pre-SE). I'm surprised their reject rate is that low." CreationDate="2012-11-08T03:09:15.423" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7657" PostId="3855" Score="3" Text="Perhaps in order to vote to migrate from site A to site B, one should have to have &gt;= 3k rep on *both* sites. Is SF's flood of terrible migrations caused by SO users who don't really understand SF (like me)?" CreationDate="2012-11-18T15:32:15.997" UserId="92104" />
  <row Id="7658" PostId="3855" Score="0" Text="@TomAnderson That exact item has been brought up a *lot* on meta.stackoverflow.com, ever since they first started offering migrations back in 2009, and the [meta-tag:feature-request] has been consistently denied." CreationDate="2012-11-18T15:36:42.960" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7659" PostId="3855" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138: Oh well, never mind then. Do you happen to know why it has been denied?" CreationDate="2012-11-18T15:46:04.403" UserId="92104" />
  <row Id="7478" PostId="3856" Score="0" Text="A raw division from the migration stats page says we get about 10 migrations per day from SO (907 over 90 days). Applying the 40% rejection rate that means 4 bad questions per day.  This method is obviously not scientific." CreationDate="2012-11-07T21:16:14.863" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7490" PostId="3856" Score="1" Text="Shog has been pretty open minded about this issue.. He's certainly willing to talk about it and I'll be surprised if he didn't drop in on this question eventually." CreationDate="2012-11-08T00:58:24.430" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7476" PostId="3857" Score="2" Text="This problem has existed before the queue and a random sampling of rejected migrations shows that most of it is garbage and not our badge-hunters being overly zealous. All that the new tools have done is make it more easily quantifiable and identifiable for us. The &quot;Stack Overflow doesn't migrate crap&quot; joke has been going on amongst regulars since the inception of chat." CreationDate="2012-11-07T21:06:56.623" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7477" PostId="3857" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra The reject rate prior to `/review` was usually in the low 20% range -- I won't argue that 20% rejects is GOOD, but it was a vaguely tolerable annoyance.  A quick look at http://stackoverflow.com/review/ shows over 50,000 questions in their close queue though, which makes me think the answer to my Question 1 above is &quot;Oh *HELL* no!&quot;" CreationDate="2012-11-07T21:12:01.380" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7479" PostId="3857" Score="0" Text="The SO reject rate has moved from the high teens to 20% before the review queue went in, and that was bad enough. However, Voretaq has the right idea as to *why now*. Shit is being shoved all over StackExchange thanks to /review." CreationDate="2012-11-07T21:16:16.273" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7480" PostId="3857" Score="6" Text="I'd suggest that the problems with SO, heck with any of the sites, aren't to do with the people who understand that they need education and will take the time to educate themselves but with the people who just click click click. We all make mistakes, have bad judgement on occasion, or whatever,  but whenever I've seen debates on migrations on SO there's usually someone who essentially says &quot;I never/rarely visit site X but I know what's on topic there&quot; and gets offended when they're called on it. It's hard to fight that." CreationDate="2012-11-07T22:02:22.860" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7485" PostId="3857" Score="1" Text="Part of the problem is that considering how little administrative control exists over user behavior I don't see how we *can* fix the problem on their end. There is no non-voluntary feedback loop. All we can do is compile a list of frequently offending users and have a mod @@ them with educational notices." CreationDate="2012-11-08T00:44:41.063" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="7487" PostId="3857" Score="2" Text="@ScottPack Even when we've yelled at people... There are about 10 migration per day and last time I looked at one day's worth there were only a couple duplicate users... It was something like 42 unique users.... You could spend your whole day yelling at them and there'll be 42 new ones tomorrow." CreationDate="2012-11-08T00:55:13.403" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7488" PostId="3857" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 I'm very skeptical of how many questions are dredged up by the review process on SO to be sent over here. They can't migrate &quot;old&quot; questions anymore. Perhaps you're right, but SO migrations have been a problem so much longer than the Review system has been around." CreationDate="2012-11-08T00:56:49.253" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7489" PostId="3857" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS: That's kind of my point. Without some kind of system in place to either review the migrations before they get posted to the main site, or restrict who has access to migrate.... I'm feeling like such a whiner, because I desperately *want* the migration system to be better, but without something relatively drastic it was designed too asynchronously to be reasonably addressed. Sad pirate is sad." CreationDate="2012-11-08T00:58:16.350" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="7493" PostId="3857" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS The 60-day rule is pretty new (in terms of the 90 day migration history) - it's hard to say what effect that's had until there's a good 60 days of data. Right now we've got the old, unregulated /review &amp; migrate situation.  That said I agree bad migrations have been a chronic problem - removing it from the migration list just strikes me as a Method 1 solution which should be our last resort... (we may well be at &quot;last resort&quot; time though. near-50% rejection rate is completely unacceptable)" CreationDate="2012-11-08T04:08:24.067" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7497" PostId="3857" Score="0" Text="I'd just like to say that not *everyone* who reviews is a &quot;badge seeker&quot;." CreationDate="2012-11-08T07:44:42.563" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7500" PostId="3857" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Certainly not, but the kind of folks who just blindly click on the close reason that already has blue circles rather than thinking for themselves fall into that category, and combining them with the natural close vote inertia leads to Bad Times..." CreationDate="2012-11-08T15:54:29.860" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7520" PostId="3857" Score="2" Text="At the rate SO's `/review/close` queue is draining, I expect it to be well over a year before it's gone. It's only gone from 56K to 52K in the last _month_." CreationDate="2012-11-09T02:48:45.113" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7700" PostId="3857" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton SO is in the process if removing the homework tag; for lower quality questions the process looks a lot like nuking from orbit.  I suspect the close queue is being refilled significantly faster than normal.  Assuming most of the 20k to 13k reduction over the last two months has been the destruction of negative scored questions, the drain rate will probably speed up significantly in the medium term future." CreationDate="2012-11-21T19:29:51.937" UserId="34835" />
  <row Id="7482" PostId="3859" Score="0" Text="That was fast, thank you very much." CreationDate="2012-11-07T23:19:34.473" UserId="144503" />
  <row Id="7483" PostId="3859" Score="1" Text="♫ I get the urge to merge...♪ I get the urge to merge with youuuu ♫" CreationDate="2012-11-07T23:32:08.313" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7484" PostId="3859" Score="5" Text="@WesleyDavid . . . creepy cat." CreationDate="2012-11-07T23:37:43.230" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7509" PostId="3860" Score="1" Text="No, downvotes are significantly more valuable than upvotes. They actually cost people rep to make. You learn the most from people who disagree with you, not from people who agree with you." CreationDate="2012-11-08T17:44:18.603" UserId="71430" />
  <row Id="7499" PostId="3861" Score="0" Text="Shog has already said that there won't be restrictions like that. It will either be that we're on the list or we're not." CreationDate="2012-11-08T08:20:08.753" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7507" PostId="3861" Score="4" Text="In that case the only viable solution is to get SF removed from the So migration list. Three years ago would have been the best time to do it." CreationDate="2012-11-08T17:22:10.693" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7516" PostId="3863" Score="1" Text="or if you're eligible to do so cast a reopen vote on it (which will put it into http://serverfault.com/review/reopen" CreationDate="2012-11-08T21:10:45.197" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7517" PostId="3863" Score="2" Text="Or just flag it... This happens so infrequently that flagging is probably the best option." CreationDate="2012-11-08T21:27:37.703" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7522" PostId="3865" Score="0" Text="@BrentPabst ...in fact the one you linked to is a good candidate to be canonized." CreationDate="2012-11-09T17:09:02.887" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7526" PostId="3865" Score="0" Text="Agreed, can you change it over as such?  However, I do like @HopelessN00b's idea as well in terms of maybe converting the question into a more generic DR capacity." CreationDate="2012-11-09T18:56:31.260" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="7527" PostId="3865" Score="0" Text="A generic DR post is huge -- we can cover individual aspects like &quot;how do I deal with my wrecked hard drives&quot; Q&amp;A style, but doing a generic DR post is really more blog territory than main site..." CreationDate="2012-11-09T19:15:42.183" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7528" PostId="3865" Score="0" Text="Yea, after thinking about it some more I agree.  I think the one brought up today covers the DR after a natural disaster scenario for HDD issues." CreationDate="2012-11-09T19:50:55.900" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="7594" PostId="3865" Score="0" Text="It looks like the question I mentioned has gotten a lot of community support. What is the canonization process?" CreationDate="2012-11-14T13:46:12.023" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="7523" PostId="3866" Score="0" Text="This has been suggested and killed many times on mSO. As obvious as it seems, it's apparently very rare for users to have even 200 rep on a site that they can vote to migrate to. This fact alone makes me think that migrations are fundamentally broken. I support this idea, but unfortunately, it's not an option. Shog9 has clearly said that there won't be any other restrictions put in place. Our options are either &quot;on the list&quot; or &quot;off the list&quot;." CreationDate="2012-11-09T17:53:21.170" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7524" PostId="3866" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra - Yeah, just read that in your comment to John's answer after posting mine. I'd vote for removal in that case." CreationDate="2012-11-09T17:54:22.613" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="7525" PostId="3866" Score="3" Text="Just for the record, I've always voted for this suggestion every time it's been proposed on mSO" CreationDate="2012-11-09T17:55:43.603" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7531" PostId="3866" Score="0" Text="I've proposed various ideas as have lots of others from SF and SU. The issue we have to contend with is that M.SO is largely the playground of SO regulars and SO isn't experiencing a problem here." CreationDate="2012-11-10T13:38:02.727" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7540" PostId="3868" Score="0" Text="If you can describe what's on topic for SF in just two or three lines I'd really like to see an example." CreationDate="2012-11-12T02:34:26.757" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7547" PostId="3868" Score="0" Text="Not just two or three lines. Right now the display is 5 or 6 sites as possible targets. That same physical space could probably hold a dozen questions. Some of them would be related to things that are on topic for SF, others related to things that clearly point to one of the other related sites. The fact is that moderators have not memorized the FAQ of SF and all the other sites so they need help (in the form of some kind of topic reminder) when sending a question somewhere else. We need something like a botanical taxonomy used to key out species identification or a medical diagnostic tree." CreationDate="2012-11-12T05:45:18.167" UserId="22979" />
  <row Id="7548" PostId="3868" Score="2" Text="The migration problems we experience are seldom the result of moderator actions. It's usually caused by regular members who are merely attempting to empty the garbage from their own site and really couldn't give a crap where it ends up. All evidence suggests that they normally don't read *anything* about the destination site other than its name. You're expecting the migration voters to display a level of care, diligence and even intelligence for which there is absolutely no evidence." CreationDate="2012-11-12T05:55:03.007" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7556" PostId="3868" Score="0" Text="But John, in my suggestion the site names would no longer be offered as an option. Only yes/no questions about content. The migration voters would not be able to send a post to any specific site, only answer questions about the content. Then the backend could be configured (decision table) to migrate to a certain site or not." CreationDate="2012-11-12T18:38:58.347" UserId="22979" />
  <row Id="7562" PostId="3868" Score="0" Text="@MichaelDillon I gave you a +1 because I desperately wish this would work, but playing 20 questions only works when both sides want it to work, and I think John is right: many of the people doing the migrating would just press whatever it takes to move on, even if it means randomly mashing yes or no." CreationDate="2012-11-13T01:10:52.863" UserId="56830" />
  <row Id="7568" PostId="3868" Score="0" Text="What if moving on means pushing the &quot;I don't know&quot; button so that the questions are unanswered. If an article gets too many of those it would simply disappear. But if it gets 5 people to venture an opinion about the content then it gets migrated. That way articles only get migrated if the reviewer feels that there is some value in the Q&amp;A. Even today you can vote an item as off topic without specifying any destination but the UI doesn't make that clear." CreationDate="2012-11-13T05:29:49.247" UserId="22979" />
  <row Id="7535" PostId="3869" Score="1" Text="It might not be &quot;home use&quot; but it's a development environment based on equipment that no one in their right mind would use in the real world. That's still off topic, I'm afraid." CreationDate="2012-11-11T21:02:46.967" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7539" PostId="3869" Score="0" Text="FWIW, we get a constant stream of devs asking similar questions without realising that that neither they nor their questions meet the SF criteria, as described in the FAQ." CreationDate="2012-11-12T02:28:51.160" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7544" PostId="3869" Score="0" Text="Thanks for all the answers on here, but I think four downvotes is harsh. I think the meta question was valid, even if the serverfault question wasn't. Technical fiefdom arrogance at its best. I'll stick to .NET dev. Pays better anyway ;)" CreationDate="2012-11-12T05:21:34.953" UserId="144962" />
  <row Id="7545" PostId="3869" Score="2" Text="@Neo - meta is different with regards to downvotes. They don't count against you." CreationDate="2012-11-12T05:30:23.753" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="7541" PostId="3870" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your detailed answer. Your answer clearly outlines the non-compliance of my Question with the FAQ (the four bullet points you listed). Your answer together with the others has convinced me that I would be best sticking with my 1&amp;1 host for website and e-mail (Exchange) for enterprise application. 1) It seems I won't really learn what I'm expecting to learn on a Synology NAS, and 2) Due to (1), I'll be wasting a whole lot of my time which is worth a lot more than the monthly cost to use a proper host like 1&amp;1. Thanks for your help. I'll upvote you, but I'm accepting another answer." CreationDate="2012-11-12T05:02:29.030" UserId="144962" />
  <row Id="7565" PostId="3870" Score="0" Text="@Neo: No worries. In the end, this site is all about teaching and learning. If that goal got accomplished, then we won, right?" CreationDate="2012-11-13T02:02:45.403" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="7532" PostId="3871" Score="0" Text="I think we just unknowingly wrote the exact same answer. :)" CreationDate="2012-11-11T20:52:33.410" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="7533" PostId="3871" Score="0" Text="@EEAA yup, and as usual yours is shorter than mine :)" CreationDate="2012-11-11T20:53:16.940" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7534" PostId="3871" Score="1" Text="Not sure if I was supposed to take that literally or figuratively." CreationDate="2012-11-11T20:56:13.760" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="7543" PostId="3871" Score="0" Text="I'm going to accept your answer, simply because you mentioned the one major technical pitfall that I neglected. &quot;_email to break - if not by ISP policy then by DNS records outliving your IP address and sending mail to nobody-knows-where._&quot; This is the one thing that I have no control over with a dynamic IP and probably the best reason to ditch this whole idea altogether." CreationDate="2012-11-12T05:16:57.430" UserId="144962" />
  <row Id="7546" PostId="3871" Score="1" Text="@Neo - and I mentioned that exact issue in my second comment to your original question." CreationDate="2012-11-12T05:31:58.553" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="7550" PostId="3871" Score="0" Text="@EEAA Not quite, maybe in a roundabout way. Your two comments were ranty and said &quot;if you're on a dynamic IP address, you might as well just *forget about doing that*&quot;." CreationDate="2012-11-12T10:35:38.317" UserId="144962" />
  <row Id="7551" PostId="3871" Score="0" Text="1) sometimes rants are needed to get someone's attention. 2) vortaq7 only told half of the story of why hosting email behind a dynamic address is a losing proposition. The other has to do with RBLs, but I wasn't going to attempt to explain both in a comment." CreationDate="2012-11-12T13:56:48.023" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="7557" PostId="3871" Score="0" Text="You didn't need to rant to get my attention. Just a nice calm camomile-tea message would have sufficed. And an Answer could've been used if a comment wasn't enough. But with 41.5K rep, I don't need to teach you to suck eggs ey? ;)" CreationDate="2012-11-12T19:07:43.340" UserId="144962" />
  <row Id="7559" PostId="3871" Score="0" Text="Alright, fair enough. Kudos for not needing a rant. Unfortunately you're an outlier here, as we get many, many people that come here asking about ridiculous ideas, and they won't accept the answer that they're doing it wrong." CreationDate="2012-11-12T22:18:16.387" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="7536" PostId="3872" Score="1" Text="This pretty much summarizes my reasons as well; I have nothing to add." CreationDate="2012-11-11T22:23:47.023" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7537" PostId="3872" Score="0" Text="Not just *one of* those voting to close but the first one listed, so if any one voter was to be &quot;blamed&quot; it should have been you, not freiheit. Maybe a bit of selective reading by the OP?" CreationDate="2012-11-12T02:26:05.270" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7538" PostId="3872" Score="0" Text="I'll gladly take the blame. I think freheit was blamed due to his last comment and the fifth close vote happening at near the same time." CreationDate="2012-11-12T02:27:37.980" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="7542" PostId="3872" Score="0" Text="Thanks, in a way, for nothing (I jest). But, never did I &quot;admit&quot; that I was doing this in a home environment, so you've got that little fact wrong. This is at a business address, so I would never have said it's in a home environment in any case. Anyhow, I currently have the 1&amp;1 Business Package which is a shared server, but still gives me some flexibility to tinker around. I just wanted to learn a bit more about running my own servers (web, mail, etc.) to gain more knowledge of the &quot;nuances&quot; involved. For the reasons I mentioned in my reply to Scott Pack's answer, I'll stick with 1&amp;1 for now." CreationDate="2012-11-12T05:08:48.263" UserId="144962" />
  <row Id="7561" PostId="3875" Score="0" Text="Thank you. I couldn't find something on the first search." CreationDate="2012-11-13T00:15:43.330" UserId="125342" />
  <row Id="7563" PostId="3880" Score="0" Text="You are correct, I have since narrowed the performance issue down to the test program. For some reason when run on linux it consumes 5 times as much resources as in OSX. The server itself is actually more efficient as would be expected. &#xA;&#xA;Should I open a new question to address this issue specifically?" CreationDate="2012-11-13T01:15:50.523" UserId="110364" />
  <row Id="7564" PostId="3880" Score="0" Text="@charliehorse55 If you're wanting to debug the test program, then by all means open a new question focused on it. Most likely on SO. If you just want good test results, then always run the test program on the same OS/hardware." CreationDate="2012-11-13T01:17:41.320" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7586" PostId="3882" Score="0" Text="&quot;obviously they have a good feel&quot; - Shouldn't there be a &quot;don't&quot; in there?" CreationDate="2012-11-14T05:45:43.937" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7588" PostId="3882" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers: I am sad that you of all people didn't get the sarcasm of that statement." CreationDate="2012-11-14T08:18:51.497" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7590" PostId="3882" Score="0" Text="I wasn't sure, which is why I didn't edit it. I didn't expect it from you. :)" CreationDate="2012-11-14T08:23:41.627" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7581" PostId="3883" Score="2" Text="Apart from some abstract sense of order, are there any concrete advantages to this? (SEO, perhaps)" CreationDate="2012-11-13T19:07:23.260" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="7583" PostId="3883" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 I don't believe there are any SEO advantages." CreationDate="2012-11-13T19:19:59.333" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7585" PostId="3883" Score="2" Text="This is taking pedantry to breaking point. There has to be a *reason* to do such a thing and I seriously doubt anyone here can think of one." CreationDate="2012-11-14T05:37:16.990" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7591" PostId="3883" Score="1" Text="So you are saying `because I want it` isn't a reason?  It may not be a good reason, but it is a reason." CreationDate="2012-11-14T08:28:06.937" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="7611" PostId="3883" Score="0" Text="&quot;I want&quot; is a valid reason only to a toddler." CreationDate="2012-11-15T09:22:24.073" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7572" PostId="3884" Score="0" Text="Arqade.com and askubuntu.com are special too (for possibly different reasons). For SE2 sites, getting your own domain name is a badge of honour." CreationDate="2012-11-13T18:36:50.617" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7573" PostId="3885" Score="2" Text="At what point do you pick up the big red phone? I'm all for giving things a chance, but this has been a problem for a long time." CreationDate="2012-11-13T18:37:42.437" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7574" PostId="3885" Score="3" Text="My larger concern is becoming that the plurality of *good* migrations are getting caught up in &quot;Stack Overflow Hate&quot; -- Case in point, [this question](http://serverfault.com/questions/410491/sign-personal-certificate-with-digicert-wildcard-certificate) is certainly a good one (if a bit basic), but it's accumulated 3 close votes..." CreationDate="2012-11-13T18:43:32.023" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7575" PostId="3885" Score="0" Text="All the sites have a large backlog of questions with pending close votes. While rejections from all the sites are up (and most are higher than our outbound rejections) SO has been a constant and habitual offender for a long time running, and is currently sitting at a 43% rejection rate. Most of us expect that to climb over 50% in the coming weeks. I understand the desire to take a measured and cautious approach to the situation, but where's the cutoff? Do they get 30 days? 90? Does it have to get worse than 50/50? Where's the line in the sand where we say &quot;this is **too bad** to save?&quot;" CreationDate="2012-11-13T18:44:10.547" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7577" PostId="3885" Score="3" Text="@voretaq7: SO isn't the only community that could use some education." CreationDate="2012-11-13T18:58:09.540" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="7578" PostId="3885" Score="0" Text="@Chris: I plan to review the stats weekly (I have a reminder set, which may or may not accomplish anything, but...) - if there's no change, or it continues getting worse, then I give up. Also, regarding scale: the total number of questions that have gotten SF migration votes on SU *for all time* is well under the number on SO *just this past month*. There's no sane way to even begin to compare that." CreationDate="2012-11-13T19:00:06.900" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="7579" PostId="3885" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 Agreed - SO is not the only site migrating stuff here that isn't a good fit, and I know our outbound migrations aren't perfect either.  SO just get the bulk of the hate because they are the largest volume of migrations (by an order of magnitude) which makes quality issues more visible." CreationDate="2012-11-13T19:03:27.763" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7580" PostId="3885" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 Honestly I expect migrations to continue to suck network-wide until/unless the feedback loop is closed somehow - I know it's probably a non-trivial fix, but I think it's the only way to really put the issue to bed." CreationDate="2012-11-13T19:05:24.157" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7582" PostId="3885" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7  I'm not sure it's just SO migration hate; I see a lot of questions with what I consider to be questionable close votes.  Seems to me to be that some of the reviewers on SO err on the side of VTC when they come across a question that's maybe a little too simple or seems like it could be coming from someone who's not a professional SA, regardless of whether or not they were migrated.  And it's probably an issue that needs attention, but is (IMO) independent of the cross-site migrations issue, except that migrations also get caught up in the &quot;home/unprofessional user, GTFO&quot; attitude." CreationDate="2012-11-13T19:13:04.173" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7584" PostId="3885" Score="0" Text="I don't want to go nuclear for at **least** 60 days, better 90. That should help get the queues whittled down, and time for the subtitle change to take effect." CreationDate="2012-11-13T21:01:20.873" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7595" PostId="3885" Score="4" Text="[Ok, lets start nuking shit. This is getting stupid.](http://serverfault.com/questions/448557/isolate-a-part-of-a-lan-network)" CreationDate="2012-11-14T17:51:32.850" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7596" PostId="3885" Score="4" Text="Wow. That's just ridiculous... Who would ask a bunch of sysadmins to help fight the evil man running their network?!" CreationDate="2012-11-14T17:57:53.360" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="7597" PostId="3885" Score="7" Text="@Shog9 A large percentage of Stack Overflow users." CreationDate="2012-11-14T18:08:01.420" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7598" PostId="3885" Score="6" Text="@Shog9 Honestly, when are they going to realize that **we** are those evil men and live solely to make their lives miserable!" CreationDate="2012-11-14T18:08:48.453" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7599" PostId="3885" Score="3" Text="One of those users had 11k, another had 19k, and another had 260k rep. I'm not saying they all voted to migrate but two out of those three had just the account association rep on SF. There's another point in the &quot;minimum rep required to move&quot; idea." CreationDate="2012-11-14T18:11:12.923" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="7676" PostId="3885" Score="0" Text="I am browsing this website for the first time, and I have no clue what it is about. Is it about linux? That is a different one. Is it about LAMP? Webmasters could be about that. Is it about professional questions? There already is one like that. This discussion reflects an extensional crisis for the website. What are you about?" CreationDate="2012-11-20T06:49:59.183" UserId="79583" />
  <row Id="7681" PostId="3885" Score="6" Text="@Mikhail did you bother to read our FAQ? It's pretty well defined. We're for professionals admins that have questions relating to managing computers/servers in a professional capacity. Also, we existed before any of those other sites. If anyone has an identity crisis, it's them not us. :)" CreationDate="2012-11-20T12:55:59.523" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7733" PostId="3885" Score="3" Text="@Shog9 Any update on your feelings about this? We're still getting a large volume of WAMP/debugging questions that should never have been migrated and plenty that are mind numbingly bad. We're quickly approaching 50% rejected. Now that I've earned Marshall from all of the terrible migrations, I think we should go nuclear." CreationDate="2012-11-24T20:53:44.413" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7761" PostId="3885" Score="5" Text="@MDMarra: it's... not looking good." CreationDate="2012-11-30T03:12:09.477" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="8863" PostId="3885" Score="0" Text="This change is just sad. It's a classic case of moderators turning their noses up at new users." CreationDate="2013-03-28T03:23:09.700" UserId="78822" />
  <row Id="8866" PostId="3885" Score="0" Text="@ChrisMoschini, there were a lot of non-mod users over at SF that supported the removal of SF from the migrations list. And, FWIW, Shog9 is a member of SE's community team. Still, if you want to propose re-adding SF to SO's migration list, go right ahead." CreationDate="2013-03-28T08:50:05.577" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8867" PostId="3885" Score="0" Text="@tombull89 ServerFault's problems don't stem from StackOverflow; they stem from a bad user model. Newbies google things and find SO or SF. Jeff Atwood got the importance of newbies: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2008/09/podcast-23/ SF's problem is this: http://i.imgur.com/olhEvMX.png" CreationDate="2013-03-28T10:40:41.960" UserId="78822" />
  <row Id="8868" PostId="3885" Score="1" Text="@ChrisMoschini, SFs problem is the fact it's geared to &quot;professional-level&quot; unlike all-come, all-served such as SO. Newbies are very much so welcome on SF, we just expect them to do a bit of research on their own and no got &quot;here's my problem, plz help&quot;. It's a difficult position for SF to be in but we expect people to read the FaQ and abide by what is laid out therein, pretty much we would on any other Stack Exchange site. As I said, you're more than welcome to propose re-adding SF to SO's migration target, but if that does happen, SF wil lose a lot of its knowledgeable users. And that's bad." CreationDate="2013-03-28T10:56:40.303" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8869" PostId="3885" Score="1" Text="@tombull89 You can't say you welcome newbies but only &quot;professional&quot; ones. People arrive from Google seeing specific topics are covered and ask about those topics. On SO if I'm asking about C#, I'm on topic. On SF if I have a question about Apache, am I on topic? Only if it's a &quot;professional&quot; question? You need to give novices a starting place." CreationDate="2013-03-28T11:28:37.750" UserId="78822" />
  <row Id="8870" PostId="3885" Score="1" Text="@ChrisMoschini Apache? Sure. Come on over. LAMP stacks? Nope, sorry. LAMP stacks are generally used to get a quick'n'dirty dev enviroment. The ServerFault FaQ says the site is for `Server Fault is for [those] needing expert answers related to managing computer systems in a **professional capacity** so if it's your job to manage a computer network, that's good. If you're mucking around with stuff at home, SuperUser is for you." CreationDate="2013-03-28T11:55:57.667" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8871" PostId="3885" Score="0" Text="The point is, SF has been removed from the list. SU is also on the edge of asking to be removed because so many SO users though &quot;NOT PROGRAMMING! chuck it to another site&quot;. Jeff himself said &quot;don't use SF as your trash bin&quot;. People did. SF didn't like it. SO can't migrate to SF any more. Join [ServerFault Chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/127/the-comms-room) if you still want to talk." CreationDate="2013-03-28T11:58:38.587" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="7576" PostId="3886" Score="0" Text="That's true, if it's implemented as a 3xx redirect I don't expect it would be any issue since the browser is just going to re-request the page with the redirect target URI." CreationDate="2012-11-13T18:45:35.433" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7593" PostId="3887" Score="4" Text="Considering the frequency with which you receive these errors, and the infrequency anyone else see them, I'm awfully tempted to attribute them to your system (browser, computer, network, proxy, something). What browser are you running, also what proxy?" CreationDate="2012-11-14T13:44:22.197" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7601" PostId="3887" Score="0" Text="The latest version of Chrome on the latest version of OS X, with Squid on a Smoothwall box. Neither of which are unusual and I believe Chrome is one of the browsers SE officially supports. When these issues occur I have no problems with any other site. There is absolutely nothing to indicate the problem is at my end. The fact that I get the error message indicates that the problem occurred at the server end, otherwise I wouldn't even get that to pop up." CreationDate="2012-11-14T21:22:19.613" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7602" PostId="3887" Score="0" Text="I absolutely agree that your computer indicates the problem is on SE's end; but the heuristic implication is the opposite. Does the problem resolve itself? If so, so you have any notion of how long it takes between you first noticing and resolution?" CreationDate="2012-11-14T22:22:36.657" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7603" PostId="3887" Score="0" Text="The problem does indeed resolve itself but as I received this particular error just before going to bed it's not possible for me to know how long it took, other than to say it's working now, about 12 hours later. I think this is an issue the devs will need to consult the logs about." CreationDate="2012-11-15T00:12:17.807" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7604" PostId="3887" Score="0" Text="If you happen to notice it sometime, try to see if it resolves itself after &lt;30 minutes. We've noticed a lot of &quot;wonkiness&quot; with the caching tier and I believe it's timeout is ~30 minutes." CreationDate="2012-11-15T00:15:15.440" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7605" PostId="3887" Score="0" Text="Ok, I'll see what happens next time." CreationDate="2012-11-15T00:33:51.430" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7606" PostId="3887" Score="1" Text="You **really** should have an IT professional take a look at your computer.  It seems to be misbehaving a lot. =D" CreationDate="2012-11-15T03:17:20.720" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7607" PostId="3887" Score="2" Text="@HopelessN00b, I would of course but I just don't know where to find one." CreationDate="2012-11-15T03:38:30.857" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7613" PostId="3887" Score="0" Text="This appears to be a timeout on your side not even reaching us...our traffic logs show no errors in the time period this question was posted (or any close dialog load).  Are you going through a proxy, or have any other trouble reaching US sites in general?" CreationDate="2012-11-15T10:27:29.660" UserId="18977" />
  <row Id="7622" PostId="3887" Score="0" Text="@Nick, there is no delay in the error being displayed, which indicates there is no timeout involved. At the time in question I have no problems with other sites or SF in general and response times all round were good. There is a proxy involved but its cache was flushed, as was the browser cache, before re-attempting to cast a vote." CreationDate="2012-11-15T20:38:31.857" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7609" PostId="3889" Score="1" Text="Are these relatively recent occurrences (starting around October 28/29/30th)? It could be related to the fact that StackExchange is running out of Oregon at the moment..." CreationDate="2012-11-15T04:17:06.980" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7610" PostId="3889" Score="0" Text="Very recently. This one happened today and the other one about the close voting happened the night before." CreationDate="2012-11-15T07:36:03.990" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7612" PostId="3889" Score="0" Text="There's no server error on our end, the next time this happens can you log the exact time (UTC) that it happens so I can look at our traffic logs?  Maybe the response pattern will help us see what's happening here." CreationDate="2012-11-15T10:19:40.287" UserId="18977" />
  <row Id="7624" PostId="3889" Score="0" Text="@Nick, while I can't give you an exact time in this case I can say that it happened just a few minutes before posting this question. I really don't understand why I can post a comment to one answer but get an error when posting to a different answer to the very same question, all in the space of a minute or two." CreationDate="2012-11-15T20:41:37.447" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7625" PostId="3890" Score="0" Text="For the record, I voted to close that question because it has nothing directly to do with system administration. How much to charge for a facility or service is a business decision. We are not here to reverse engineer business decisions, regardless of whether or not there is a technical reason for them." CreationDate="2012-11-15T21:14:59.327" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7628" PostId="3890" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the update. I reckon that if I asked instead about the parameters in which datacenter and consumer broadband differ, it would be more relevant to a sysadmin's job, so I will probably try with that." CreationDate="2012-11-16T07:59:04.520" UserId="96295" />
  <row Id="7630" PostId="3890" Score="1" Text="Worded right that should be perfectly acceptable." CreationDate="2012-11-16T11:58:09.453" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7631" PostId="3890" Score="0" Text="I had a shot at it [here](http://serverfault.com/questions/449333/how-in-terms-of-which-parameters-is-a-professional-grade-broadband-connectio). Feel free to improve the wording if needed; English is not my first language." CreationDate="2012-11-16T12:02:47.323" UserId="96295" />
  <row Id="7632" PostId="3890" Score="1" Text="Your English is a lot better than that of some of the people on SF for who it *is* their first language. ;)" CreationDate="2012-11-16T12:17:22.047" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7633" PostId="3890" Score="0" Text="Instead of voting to close I've upvoted your new question." CreationDate="2012-11-16T12:19:22.257" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7639" PostId="3890" Score="0" Text="With the new question and the edits made to it, I think this might make a canonical question on connection types, as it could be use to a sysadmin of a small business type network trying to make the step up to more professional services." CreationDate="2012-11-17T12:06:42.007" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7616" PostId="3891" Score="0" Text="Well, I guess that what I really wanted to know when I asked that question was, &quot;How (in terms of what parameters) is broadband service that you get in a data center different than what you get in your home or small office&quot;. (I also made a wrong assumption about the price, but that only became clear to me AFTER you pointed out that home connections don't guarantee you data throughput - so, after a partial answer). Now, if you still care ;), do you think the above would be a valid SF question? If not, would it be more appropriate for SuperUser?" CreationDate="2012-11-15T17:12:31.693" UserId="96295" />
  <row Id="7617" PostId="3891" Score="1" Text="By no means am I the Glorious One True Guardian of SF (!), so you should probably ask questions that seem good to you!  But in any case, I think there are some good, concrete answers to the question you pose above, so why not ask it, and we'll see what people have to say." CreationDate="2012-11-15T19:41:57.447" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="11105" PostId="3891" Score="0" Text="@odemarken I would say asking a new question is certainly better, but be careful of simply duplicating your question, down votes can lead to you being banned from asking questions. See http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/86997/what-can-i-do-when-getting-we-are-no-longer-accepting-questions-answers-from-th" CreationDate="2013-08-02T15:07:59.243" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="7629" PostId="3892" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I accepted this answer as more generally useful IMHO, as @MadHatter's refers specifically to my case." CreationDate="2012-11-16T08:00:09.603" UserId="96295" />
  <row Id="7618" PostId="3895" Score="1" Text="I don't consider (2) to be a case of &quot;find [some software product] for me&quot; -- I'm only talking about the cases where someone is clearly asking us to find a specific product for them (or explain why they can't find it, where it went, etc.); (2) is certainly on topic as long as the question itself is clearly defined/scoped like you said." CreationDate="2012-11-15T20:20:06.757" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7619" PostId="3895" Score="0" Text="Ok, well in that case, I yield all of my upvotes to the gentleman from New York." CreationDate="2012-11-15T20:21:33.097" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7620" PostId="3895" Score="1" Text="there are no gentlemen in New York. (There are even fewer in York.)" CreationDate="2012-11-15T20:22:26.703" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7621" PostId="3896" Score="1" Text="Indeed. Much like ewwhite's question from this morning." CreationDate="2012-11-15T20:24:19.047" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="7623" PostId="3896" Score="0" Text="I think this is actually a separate-but-equally-problematic class of questions (&quot;Suggest a bunch of products that do [X] for me&quot;) -- those can indeed be good questions, though I think it's better if we send these users away too (&quot;Go search Google for `useful search phrase`, look at the results, and come back if you have questions of the form `I'm looking at doing [X] and trying to decide between products [Y] and [Z] - what are some advantages/disadvantages of each?`&quot;)  -- these are more ignorance than laziness and that's a more tolerable excuse :)" CreationDate="2012-11-15T20:40:31.387" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7626" PostId="3898" Score="1" Text="It's not quite as clear-cut as that." CreationDate="2012-11-16T01:27:10.130" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7627" PostId="3900" Score="0" Text="...or associate all the OpenIDs you've collected over the years with your Stack Exchange account :)" CreationDate="2012-11-16T05:24:19.630" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7634" PostId="3900" Score="0" Text="Sorry for not clarifying. What I'm trying to do is to sign up using my Stack Exchange account. It isn't accepting the login that I use on ServerFault, though." CreationDate="2012-11-16T22:02:44.677" UserId="137125" />
  <row Id="7635" PostId="3900" Score="0" Text="I get it now. It wasn't very obvious but until I create a Stack Exchange account, my ServerFault account is separate. I just created the StackExchange account and all of my info transferred." CreationDate="2012-11-16T22:05:03.217" UserId="137125" />
  <row Id="7636" PostId="3900" Score="0" Text="Voretaq, your answer got me what I needed. Please add it as an answer rather than a comment so I can accept it. Thanks." CreationDate="2012-11-16T22:06:52.603" UserId="137125" />
  <row Id="7647" PostId="3901" Score="6" Text="I've been through the entire [revision history for this question](http://serverfault.com/posts/449025/revisions) and I don't see any obvious problems with the edits from other users. What _exactly_ was the problem?" CreationDate="2012-11-17T20:59:17.540" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7663" PostId="3901" Score="0" Text="The problem was that the guest OS received data only after pinging the HOST OS." CreationDate="2012-11-19T09:17:51.073" UserId="112190" />
  <row Id="7640" PostId="3903" Score="2" Text="GIGO, reap what you sow, get what you give... I know it seems pedantic and anal, but they apply to a lot of areas in life. I don't understand how people expect a good answer if they're unwilling to write a good question." CreationDate="2012-11-17T19:43:04.143" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7641" PostId="3903" Score="0" Text="Yes, the tutorial is lengthy, but no one was forcing people to read it and there was no need to: I extracted the required info and put it into the question. Didn't the question quote that &quot;Mail will be kept in subfolders per domain and account under /var/vmail - e.g. me@example.com will have a mail directory of /var/vmail/example.com/me&quot;? Didn't the PHP comments say for the `NO` value `NO:  /usr/local/virtual/username@domain.tld`? Isn't the inconsistency obvious? No? Ok, I added &quot;Should $CONF['domain_path'] be YES instead to support the chosen directory structure?&quot; for clarity. Come on, people" CreationDate="2012-11-17T19:56:25.673" UserId="132711" />
  <row Id="7643" PostId="3903" Score="0" Text="(in answer to a deleted comment by Zoredache) Got to repeat myself. &quot;Mail will be kept in subfolders per domain and account under /var/vmail - e.g. me@example.com will have a mail directory of /var/vmail/example.com/me&quot; **is inconsistent with** `NO: /usr/local/virtual/username@domain.tld`. I was kinda hoping that at least you actually read my question, but you didn't even read my previous comment." CreationDate="2012-11-17T20:09:56.590" UserId="132711" />
  <row Id="7644" PostId="3903" Score="0" Text="I deleted my comment because I realized that.  You could have done a better job formatting your question.  Perhaps by using a **bold** for the **/var/vmail/example.com/me**.  In any case, I didn't close the question.  I didn't down vote it.  I do wonder why you are still arguing with me on meta instead of trying to edit and improve your question.  Do you want to solve your problem, or argue?  My statement about you asking the wrong question 'is the blog wrong' still stands.  Try and edit your question to be more clear and flag it for mod attention, so it is re-opened." CreationDate="2012-11-17T20:16:38.860" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="7645" PostId="3903" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache I tried to start with changing the title to &quot;Postfix Admin configuration for mail user directory structure&quot; about 30 min ago but it got reverted back for some reason, which made me put my hands down.." CreationDate="2012-11-17T20:21:05.020" UserId="132711" />
  <row Id="7646" PostId="3903" Score="0" Text="I don't have an explanation for that.  You should be able to make edits to the question and fix things.  What error did you get?" CreationDate="2012-11-17T20:24:35.113" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="7648" PostId="3903" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache Did the edits.." CreationDate="2012-11-17T21:07:10.107" UserId="132711" />
  <row Id="7649" PostId="3905" Score="0" Text="As per &quot;Always try it yourself first&quot;, there were reasons that hindered me from doing it, I mentioned them in the edit. For the bottom line, I was looking for an answer supported with someone's real experience (like most other question posters do on SF) but got downvotes supported with stereotypical haughtiness towards low-reputation/new users who refer to tutorials in their questions." CreationDate="2012-11-17T22:27:52.563" UserId="132711" />
  <row Id="7652" PostId="3905" Score="0" Text="@DesmondHume I'm not going to pretend that mentioning tutorials in a question doesn't cause us to look at it with more skepticism than we might otherwise. The vast majority of questions we get that start off with &quot;I'm following *some tutorial*...&quot; are pretty awful -- I'd put them on a par with the vast majority of [tag:cpanel] questions we see" CreationDate="2012-11-18T05:12:28.690" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7653" PostId="3906" Score="4" Text="I think part of the edit problem is that I rolled back his most recent edit, which contained an update about what he was actually trying to accomplish. I noticed this a couple of minutes after I did the rollback and edited it back in to the question. So, for about 5 minutes, there were some missing details. In my defense, those details should have been there from the beginning :)" CreationDate="2012-11-18T11:46:59.923" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7666" PostId="3906" Score="0" Text="Right, I should have put all the details in the beginning. However - all those details are still missing in current post. There is no MAC conflict if VM shares MAC address with host machine on ESXi 5. Wthout sharing MAC address, features on pNIC do not become apperant on guest OS (vNIC)." CreationDate="2012-11-19T09:45:04.713" UserId="112190" />
  <row Id="7670" PostId="3906" Score="0" Text="@HenryAloni When you use bridged networking, each virtual machine is entirely equivalent to a separate physical machine on your network. *Of course* you are creating a MAC address conflict if you assign the same address to the host and the guest. If you're certain that you're right, even when you're wrong, we cannot help you... but you may have a bright future in politics." CreationDate="2012-11-19T17:48:21.253" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="7697" PostId="3906" Score="0" Text="How do I detect those MAC conflicts? I tried to see what's happening, and everything looks fine through the wire. There seems like there's no mac conflict in my setup." CreationDate="2012-11-21T09:12:18.507" UserId="112190" />
  <row Id="7664" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="I think you missed the point of what I am actually trying to do, as a result you think I am getting a problem I don't get. I don't have ARP poisoning, I don't have MAC conflicts. Everything is working fine in my basic &quot;very bad - you don't know anything&quot; setup I did." CreationDate="2012-11-19T09:26:05.833" UserId="112190" />
  <row Id="7667" PostId="3908" Score="3" Text="If everything was working fine, why did you ask the question in he first place? Obviously everything wasn't working fine." CreationDate="2012-11-19T11:37:25.093" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7668" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="Everything was not working fine UNTIL I pinged from HOST to outside, since then everything is working smoothly." CreationDate="2012-11-19T12:50:23.317" UserId="112190" />
  <row Id="7669" PostId="3908" Score="4" Text="Sorry, but I think you're beyond help. You lack such a fundamental understanding of how ESXi networking works that I don't think anyone can show you why you were wrong. Rather than getting into an argument with a brick wall, my final piece of advice is to go buy a copy of *Mastering VMware vSphere 5* by Scott Lowe." CreationDate="2012-11-19T12:59:01.503" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7654" PostId="3910" Score="3" Text="I kinda think that the sort of people who will read that are the sort of people who don't need to read it, if you see what I mean. We certainly should try our best to help them, though." CreationDate="2012-11-18T12:42:19.720" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7655" PostId="3910" Score="3" Text="@RobM The theory here is that **people will read the bold text**, even with just a glance, so getting that '**professional**' word in there may cause enough doubt in the edge cases to cut down our OT-rate. It may not be a lot, but it'll help." CreationDate="2012-11-18T13:58:47.580" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7656" PostId="3910" Score="1" Text="Oh I get that, I totally agree with doing it. I'm just saying, lets not over-estimate how much effect it will have on the 'post and run' brigade." CreationDate="2012-11-18T14:07:23.007" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7660" PostId="3910" Score="1" Text="Suggested addition, similar to the &quot;ask it on meta&quot; blurb (if feasible): &quot;If your question is about personal computing, [ask it on SuperUser](http://superuser.com/questions/ask) instead.&quot;" CreationDate="2012-11-19T05:25:00.513" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="7662" PostId="3910" Score="6" Text="Any chance that &quot;read the faq&quot; could be in bright red, blinking and 72 point? &quot;FAQ&quot; should also be capitalised." CreationDate="2012-11-19T07:04:08.350" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7770" PostId="3910" Score="0" Text="Note that this text appears in two places on the Ask Question page, so I tweaked your suggestion slightly." CreationDate="2012-11-30T19:50:01.577" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="7771" PostId="3910" Score="0" Text="Completely agree with this. We need to emphasize that this site is for professionals." CreationDate="2012-11-30T20:15:46.673" UserId="87408" />
  <row Id="7674" PostId="3911" Score="0" Text="The implication in your first paragraph in that the rest of us didn't other to read the two cited questions. Had you bothered to read the other answers you would have known that you're not the only one who read the questions. If I've misinterpreted that paragraph perhaps you need to be more careful in how you word things." CreationDate="2012-11-19T22:47:08.153" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7678" PostId="3911" Score="0" Text="Hello @JohnGardeniers. Strange. And I nearly had the impression from your comment, that you were implying that I don't read all the answers and comments, which I always do. I wanted to rather bring up the fact that there are probably a lot more questions around that are of better quality and are still based on &quot;Which [software product] is best for me&quot;. Sorry if you were offended by my wording. I will edit my answer." CreationDate="2012-11-20T07:25:13.500" UserId="145804" />
  <row Id="7679" PostId="3911" Score="1" Text="Most of the people who answered this question have significant reputations and are long term contributors. I suspect their answers are based upon their experience rather than the two questions cited." CreationDate="2012-11-20T09:32:38.177" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7671" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="It's more than a bother for moderators. If you're over 3,000 reputation, you have the ability to vote to close/migrate questions. There are *a lot* of 3k+ users on SO, and they're constantly migrating bad stuff. Also, if you're over 10,000 rep, you can see moderator views like migrations, rejected migration rates, low quality questions/answers, etc. Really, the difference between high-rep users and moderators is really only that moderators have a binding vote, whereas it takes multiple high-rep users to close/delete a question (they also have a few other tools like `lock` that we dont)." CreationDate="2012-11-19T20:24:01.517" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7672" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="So it's bothersome to most of the high rep users that take it upon themselves to keep the community &quot;clean&quot; and on-topic. We've presented many solutions, but they've all been rejected. Shog9 (who is in charge of community management among other things at Stack Exchange) said that if it's really bad, they'll just remove us from the list. In this sense, we already *have* a solution available as suggested by a high-ranking employee. The question isn't about how we should handle this as much as it's about &quot;is it time to go nuclear&quot; since removing us from the list would be **big**." CreationDate="2012-11-19T20:26:09.530" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7673" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="Sorry for the two long comments, just wanted to make sure you had a summary of the whole situation, since you're a relatively new user :)" CreationDate="2012-11-19T20:26:43.320" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7675" PostId="3912" Score="3" Text="For the benefit of those who've only been participating on SF for 4 days, this problem has not had a month's attention. It has had **3 years** of attention." CreationDate="2012-11-19T22:55:30.327" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7677" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the comments @MDMarra and John Gardeniers. Yes, it's been four interesting days so far. I keep wondering where you've been all these years. ;-) So you have a solution and you want a change? What is keeping you from implementing the solution? Is the solution too drastic? Have you had a look at alternatives? (Well you have, but they don't seem to have led anywhere) Why don't you follow up on some of the alternatives and implement some not so drastic meassures? Is it really down to &quot;nuclear or nothing&quot;?" CreationDate="2012-11-20T07:15:26.130" UserId="145804" />
  <row Id="7680" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="@hot2use: There have been many solutions to the problem proposed over the years and the people who can implement them (SE) have declined to do so. The distillate really is you're in or you're not." CreationDate="2012-11-20T09:49:57.993" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7683" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="Erm, did I miss something in there or does this not actually suggest any sort of &quot;Answer&quot; whatsoever to the Question/Problem?" CreationDate="2012-11-20T15:08:45.657" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7685" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS There are multiple answers and they're not. Two solutions are: Get an rfc and get it done with. (ITIL perspective) -OR- Bring up a solution and implement it (conflict management). Yes, you're right my last sentence leads to believe otherwise. Thanks for the down-vote." CreationDate="2012-11-20T15:16:24.770" UserId="145804" />
  <row Id="7686" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="@hot2use Don't mind the down-vote too much, it simply means I disagree with whatever you're trying to say. There's no rep consequences on meta. I still don't see where you actually answer the Question on this page. We're well past the point of &quot;should we talk about it&quot;, which is what your &quot;Answer&quot; seems to be proposing (honestly it's hard to tell with all those extra words in there). This has been an ongoing problem for years, we're at the boiling point of &quot;should we just nuke'm?&quot;. Unless you're Answering &quot;yes&quot; or &quot;no&quot; with why, you should explain why the premise of the question is moot." CreationDate="2012-11-20T15:23:14.657" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7687" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS I see it like this: SO is sending to SF. SF doesn't want SO's questions. SF rejects. SO still sends. SF is not amused. SF should do something because SO will not. SF is undecided (possibly because of the consequences of SF starting a ban on SO?). You're all not comfortable with the current situation, but are undecided on how to continue. Am I correct? A lot of the &quot;Answers&quot; here concerning this issue don't seem to be answers, but are IMO statements. (perhaps, then so be it). At work we have the motto &quot;Just do it!&quot; Isn't it that simple if the majority is behind the vote?" CreationDate="2012-11-20T15:48:01.903" UserId="145804" />
  <row Id="7688" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="BTW I like discussions and I like kicking trees to see if apples or pears are going to drop from the branches. Leave me a two worder and I will refrain from bringing up further suggestions to this issue. I've learnt the hard way that it sometimes helps to have somebody from outside bring up some new suggestions or thoughts." CreationDate="2012-11-20T15:52:49.753" UserId="145804" />
  <row Id="7689" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="Mostly the situation, though it seems most of SF is ready to nuke the SO-&gt;SF migration option (for users). However, we don't have control over it, only the Site Developers. The Devs aren't entirely comfortable with this option and have been dragging their feet looking for a &quot;better&quot; option. Proposed: 1. [People who vote to migrate would require a minimum rep on target site](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/74053) 2. [If migration rejected, the migrators receive a rep penalty.](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/84839) 3. [Require acceptance at target](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/73391)" CreationDate="2012-11-20T16:24:46.587" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7690" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="None of the proposed fixes have been accepted or implemented. Note how far back some of those go. It's rather unfortunate that all of this &quot;discussion&quot; is scattered over dozens of pages with oodles of tangential dialog, but it's the way the site works. I suppose someone could collect it all into a single Question with a few huge answers, but I doubt anyone is willing to put the time into that. See also: http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/113427 http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/149087 http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/152597 http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/144557 That's just meta posts..." CreationDate="2012-11-20T16:27:02.787" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7682" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the down vote. Could you explain why?" CreationDate="2012-11-20T13:32:58.547" UserId="145804" />
  <row Id="7695" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="I've got no idea who downvoted you or why, but on meta votes simply indicate agreement. A downvote is someone just disagreeing with you." CreationDate="2012-11-20T22:44:31.260" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7699" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="@RobM Thanks for your feedback." CreationDate="2012-11-21T15:23:07.573" UserId="145804" />
  <row Id="7691" PostId="3916" Score="5" Text="`we all have days where we catch the Dumb and can't brain` -- I refer to them as &quot;weekdays,&quot; and find myself having one about 71.4% of the time, in fact." CreationDate="2012-11-20T17:29:49.110" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7696" PostId="3916" Score="0" Text="Someone fixed it for me, and I updated my question" CreationDate="2012-11-20T23:42:30.103" UserId="89915" />
  <row Id="7693" PostId="3917" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b This would get closed without a second thought on mSO. I don't send questions to Certain Death if I can help it." CreationDate="2012-11-20T19:48:17.807" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7712" PostId="3917" Score="0" Text="I find this question and the surrounding answers pretty informative. I recommend it be kept alive for future reference. I have thus upvoted it +1." CreationDate="2012-11-22T13:39:34.320" UserId="145804" />
  <row Id="7727" PostId="3917" Score="0" Text="At the end it was a problem of the 3 party code from the wiki software we use. Every day after 24 hours when a special event occures a table reorganisation was started. In this code there was an LOCK TABLE which stopped the complete database. The last 4 years this was no problem. Within a few minutes now all 800 connections where full. The hint with pdo, mysqli and to trace the connections was it. My problem was i had to start the server very fast and i had no time to analyse the problem in case of stop. Also the problem was only once a day. Thank you again" CreationDate="2012-11-22T17:59:27.823" UserDisplayName="user146210" />
  <row Id="7711" PostId="3919" Score="0" Text="I like your second reason. ...crap... Got to laugh at that one. Sorry." CreationDate="2012-11-22T13:36:46.267" UserId="145804" />
  <row Id="7724" PostId="3919" Score="0" Text="Sorry guys i got the help i needed. The two persons who could understand my question, gave me the hints i needed to find the solution. Had i knew before what i have to give you for imformation i would not be asked for help. I can read log files by myself. If you are able to read, i also asked which info i should give to help. So guys be happy with 3000 and more reputations. This was a fail. But my production problem is solved and so i'm happy." CreationDate="2012-11-22T17:33:08.017" UserDisplayName="user146210" />
  <row Id="7694" PostId="3920" Score="3" Text="[Context! The difference between roadkill, and a meal!](http://www.bsd-box.net/~mikeg/context)" CreationDate="2012-11-20T20:31:12.727" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7725" PostId="3920" Score="0" Text="Have you really read before you vote? Did't you see the whole my.conf? Whats wrong with you guys. If you don't like to give support what are you doing here?" CreationDate="2012-11-22T17:43:22.173" UserDisplayName="user146210" />
  <row Id="7726" PostId="3920" Score="0" Text="I read your whole my.conf. Did you read my whole answer?" CreationDate="2012-11-22T17:47:52.603" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7698" PostId="3921" Score="3" Text="Off-topic questions lead to more off-topic questions as people use the previous ones to justify their own. The same goes for bad questions. To attract experts in a field, you need a very well kept community. With what you're proposing, we should just do away with closing and deleting question altogether." CreationDate="2012-11-21T14:28:24.800" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7701" PostId="3921" Score="3" Text="[Broken Windows Syndrome](http://www.sjvgreens.org/broken.shtml)" CreationDate="2012-11-21T19:46:53.887" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7702" PostId="3921" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra Yep, can't see the point of it. Digital resources are cheap, volunteer time is finite. I've never seen the point closing threads that aren't being heavily spammed. There are some epic threads on other sites that are still useful today even though all the original participants have left and the technology has moved on. Some issues are pertinent for years. At best, preventing people adding and updating those threads creates a pointless fragmentation of knowledge, at worst people don't contribute at all as recreating even a fraction of that context is too much effort to do elsewhere." CreationDate="2012-11-21T19:57:41.557" UserId="146427" />
  <row Id="7704" PostId="3921" Score="2" Text="@technicalbloke y'see when you talk about &quot;threads&quot;, that's the problem right there. That sounds like forum terminology, *and the stack exchange sites are not forums*. They're question and answer sites. Therefore, we're not interested in &quot;epic threads&quot;, just good questions and good answers. Good questions are desirable because they encourage good answers and bad questions are discouraged because they produce bad answers. Good questions and answers encourage good people to participate. That's what we want." CreationDate="2012-11-21T20:10:55.073" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7705" PostId="3921" Score="2" Text="I'd just like to add that no-one thinks that SF is for &quot;talented/experienced/hardcore sysadmins&quot;. It's for **professionals**. Work as a sysadmin? Got a question about a system you work with? Come on in! First day on the job or 1000th day on the job, you're still welcome. We care about the quality of people's questions, not the length of their stereotypical unix admin beard." CreationDate="2012-11-21T20:20:49.377" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7706" PostId="3921" Score="0" Text="@RobM The thread or question thing is a bit of a false dichotomy - the questions on here aren't so different in form from forum or usenet topics. Just cause a thread is marked as answered doesn't mean the best answer has been submitted yet. Also &quot;bad questions are discouraged because they produce bad answers&quot;? Surely the answer to a bad question should be a polite explanation of why it is a bad question and/or a good faith attempt to decode the confusion and help anyway - neither of those are bad things are they?" CreationDate="2012-11-22T03:58:38.547" UserId="146427" />
  <row Id="7707" PostId="3921" Score="0" Text="@RobM Anyway, sorry I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I just don't understand why can't you just hide the cruft? You have the ratings. How many people even see those low rated posts? If lots of people would currently see them then shouldn't something be done about that? Slashdot and Youtube hide comments that get a lot of downvotes, if that's not happening here then I think you're missing a trick." CreationDate="2012-11-22T04:13:47.167" UserId="146427" />
  <row Id="7709" PostId="3921" Score="1" Text="Sorry but everything you've said so far clearly indicates that you have absolutely no understanding of how SE sites operate and SF specifically. Rather than spouting a bunch of nonsense perhaps you should sit back and take notice of how the site does operate and learn why this topic is such a problem for us. To save you a little time I'll put it in a nutshell for you: **Bad content attracts bad content** and we don't want bad content." CreationDate="2012-11-22T10:12:25.977" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7710" PostId="3921" Score="3" Text="The questions may not be &quot;so different&quot; but the philosophy driving the Stack Exchange family of sites *is* different to that of a forum, and the philosophy driving Server Fault is slightly different again to many of the other Stack Exchange sites (the whole 'professional' thing). I appreciate you might not agree with that, or not understand why we keep going back to it, but it's still central to the whole point. And while I'd agree that the best answer to a bad question is to improve it (and we could do better at that here), sometimes you also have to accept that a situation is beyond salvage." CreationDate="2012-11-22T11:20:25.397" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7723" PostId="3921" Score="0" Text="OK I get where you're coming from - Laisse Faire is off the menu with you guys - point taken. Given that, and as I said in my original post, you need to re-examine your position as part of a low-friction federated network. Without some friction new users and other site mods are always going to send you inappropriate stuff. I can't see it working long term if you're the only &quot;professional&quot; site in an ecosystem of non-professional sites." CreationDate="2012-11-22T16:48:04.740" UserId="146427" />
  <row Id="7728" PostId="3921" Score="1" Text="You may not be able to see it working long term but most of us do. In fact we've already got it to the point where it's working better than ever. Some of us are not likely to let go of this tiger's tail until the beast has been fully domesticated. We have a lot invested in the site and SF is unlike anything else out there." CreationDate="2012-11-23T08:11:50.603" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7736" PostId="3921" Score="2" Text="What people &quot;need&quot; to do is go with what works. Which, right now, is accepting good content and deleting bad content." CreationDate="2012-11-26T00:40:17.967" UserId="87408" />
  <row Id="7713" PostId="3922" Score="3" Text="Thanks for asking here. I suspect that others will say that SF is for those with root access to the machines, while those that are using a control panel such as Drupal or Webmin are off-topic as it is likely they will not be using it in a professional capacity." CreationDate="2012-11-22T14:02:32.380" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="7717" PostId="3922" Score="3" Text="@tombull89 Drupal is a CMS like WordPress or Joomla, not really the same thing as Webmin/Plesk/CPanel/etc." CreationDate="2012-11-22T15:53:42.613" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7715" PostId="3924" Score="0" Text="I totally agree with the comments about control panels, and advise/beg my clients not to use them for website deployment.  I do see them being used in professional-as-in-supporting-a-business environments, though.  So, to summarize what you wrote cPanel/Plesk is off-topic because it isn't something that would be used in a professional-as-in-doing-things-the-right-way environment, or something a knowledgable linux admin would use in a professional capacity?  Just trying to figure out the intent/meaning behind the opening of the SF FAQ." CreationDate="2012-11-22T15:32:24.120" UserId="95677" />
  <row Id="7716" PostId="3924" Score="0" Text="Also, not trying to be argumentative if it comes off that way.  Most admin/server related questions are off-topic at Drupal Answers, but they do come up somewhat often.  If possible, I would prefer to migrate them somewhere, and just want to be sure they end up in the proper place." CreationDate="2012-11-22T15:37:38.993" UserId="95677" />
  <row Id="7718" PostId="3924" Score="1" Text="Questions about server software where the questioner has full administrative privilege, is being paid for what they're doing, and has a clue are On-Topic on Server Fault. Those three don't have to be explicitly stated, but but the question can't have clear indications of the need for [drool-proof paper](http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/D/drool-proof-paper.html)." CreationDate="2012-11-22T16:00:30.137" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7719" PostId="3924" Score="0" Text="The company that manages other people's websites using cPanel or Plesk or whatever might ask a question here, but they should already have the specialized knowledge of the control panel to solve it themselves, or contact the vendor; whatever question they might ask is likely to be too localized." CreationDate="2012-11-22T16:01:11.867" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7720" PostId="3924" Score="3" Text="I just read the Question, the person seems to not know how to actually use whatever web server software they're running the site from. They already ask their host, and received an answer. They simply don't like the answer and don't know how to run a server enough to even know where to start configuring it manually. This essentially fails the &quot;has a clue&quot; requirement. If we were to provide a full answer, it start with dropping Plesk and end up being the size of a book... This is an extremely common theme among &quot;admin panel&quot; application questions; which is why they garner so much prejudice." CreationDate="2012-11-22T16:05:10.077" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7721" PostId="3924" Score="1" Text="@ChrisS Oh, the question isn't _that_ bad. I managed to figure out exactly what he wants. It just can't be done in Plesk, while it would be trivial without it. In this case Plesk is going to actively prevent him from doing what he wants..." CreationDate="2012-11-22T16:12:43.427" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7722" PostId="3924" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton I'm not saying it's a terrible question at all, just that the person is a User, and doesn't know how to run the web server software. I know some of the terminology is harsh, but it gets the message across. [SF] is not for Users." CreationDate="2012-11-22T16:32:29.383" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7729" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="+1 The only reason I didn't vote to close that question is because I didn't see it. I can only wonder why such a crap question was migrated, rather than just closed." CreationDate="2012-11-23T08:19:07.053" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="12033" PostId="3930" Score="0" Text="This question has some later-asked-and-closed duplicates.  The one at http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5942/why-am-i-not-able-to-ask-any-more-questions has a comment by Iain which I think is insightful, valuable, and adds to the debate, so I'm posting this comment in case people want to click through and read it." CreationDate="2013-11-18T10:10:43.957" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="7730" PostId="3932" Score="5" Text="Looking at the evidence, this is most likely to be the poster's problem. This is a hard box to get out of." CreationDate="2012-11-24T11:47:20.397" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="10943" PostId="3932" Score="1" Text="I just discovered I'm banned too. I think you guys have taken a rather militant stance on this. Why is it that when you down vote that you're not FORCED to explain why? I asked a very simple question because I'd researched it but was getting conflicting answers. It was downvoted but I can't see by who and they're not explaining why!" CreationDate="2013-07-19T08:58:39.667" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="10989" PostId="3932" Score="3" Text="*I think you guys have taken a rather militant stance on this.* - these bans are automated. Nothing to do with either high rep members or even the mods. *Why is it that when you down vote that you're not FORCED to explain why?* You've been pointed towards meta.stackoverflow as an authoratative source for this but one simple reason: if you force people to comment as part of a vote then either people won't vote (which is bad) or they'll comment with something like 'aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa' which is no better than no comment at all." CreationDate="2013-07-19T19:19:55.820" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="22025" PostId="3932" Score="1" Text="Just wondering: you all use terms such as &quot;poor quality&quot;, which is a rather subjective term. When it is all about some votes (not many). I only suspect it's possible that even some veterans here could let their friends know (totally legit) about their questions, to eventually vote them up. I'm not talking about fake accounts, voting rings, fiverr paid people or armies of spammers. But why was this possible method never mentioned in current context?" CreationDate="2017-06-01T22:54:25.597" UserId="342862" />
  <row Id="7734" PostId="3933" Score="1" Text="I'm going to close this, not because it's a bad question, but because there's already a discussion from almost 3 years ago on meta.stackoverflow which covers the same ground: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/37090/feature-request-downvoter-sends-a-notification-to-all-downvoters-for-your-post" CreationDate="2012-11-25T20:36:02.600" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7735" PostId="3933" Score="0" Text="(sadly, no official comment from the SE team though, maybe a bump could be used to remind them of it?)" CreationDate="2012-11-25T20:37:41.887" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7738" PostId="3936" Score="4" Text="General commentary: If you fee your question needs something like `Update I do not want a debate on this topic - just your facts. Optimal responses would come from people using a broad range of servers and a broad range of techniques.` added to it, that's usually a sign it's not a good question. *Good questions should not require inline explanation of what you (the asker) wants*: Good Answers should proceed naturally from the question. If they don't there's usually a fundamental flaw in the question..." CreationDate="2012-11-27T22:26:20.307" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7745" PostId="3936" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 I had an uneasy feeling about this question right when I asked it - it is in a very grey area - I knew that, but the question and answers should help professional sysadmins - and that is right on focus, is it not?" CreationDate="2012-11-28T22:15:54.883" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="7743" PostId="3937" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the edit and re-open. The answers up until now go into the right direction." CreationDate="2012-11-28T22:09:02.247" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="7737" PostId="3938" Score="0" Text="I've just done exactly as you suggested; re-worded it asking for specific metrics/answers rather than &quot;What do you think?&quot;" CreationDate="2012-11-27T22:25:35.980" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7739" PostId="3938" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson: It's still asking for a list(s) of &lt;Things&gt; which doesn't produce good authoritative answers." CreationDate="2012-11-27T22:38:30.543" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7740" PostId="3938" Score="3" Text="@Iain - it's asking for a list of metrics, which is generally on-topic, as per the let's go shopping link we love to link. Don't ask &quot;What's best?&quot; ask &quot;What makes something the best&quot;. I feel this is another variation of that." CreationDate="2012-11-27T22:40:54.760" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7742" PostId="3938" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson Yeah I'm generally OK with it as a &quot;What should I measure to see if virtualization is going to suck for me?&quot; question" CreationDate="2012-11-28T15:57:00.263" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7744" PostId="3938" Score="0" Text="There were two reasons to ask this question. First - I came across that our Windows-Hyper-V-guys developed quite the same limits as we did with Linux/XEN. Second there was a question on how to reduce interrupts in a VM where the network-interrupts maxed out on a specific interface. IMHO this would max out on any VM-technique (if you stay with the same hardware)." CreationDate="2012-11-28T22:12:22.210" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="7741" PostId="3939" Score="7" Text="damn fine idea Tom" CreationDate="2012-11-28T12:17:18.733" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7755" PostId="3939" Score="1" Text="I think WiFi is a better tag than Wireless-Network; so I've merged that way, that can be reversed pretty easily. As Voretaq points out, Wireless contains stuff not related to WiFi and needs someone to wade through it. Wireless probably aught to be blackholed after the wading through." CreationDate="2012-11-29T16:25:34.913" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7754" PostId="3940" Score="0" Text="i listed out the three questions that are not related to 802.11 by editing your answer." CreationDate="2012-11-29T14:43:47.487" UserId="15028" />
  <row Id="7759" PostId="3940" Score="0" Text="I suspect that most such questions are off topic anyway. I personally don't see those three examples as being on topic and have voted accordingly." CreationDate="2012-11-30T00:06:46.520" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7765" PostId="3940" Score="0" Text="I would not shed a tear if those questions disappeared from the site. That said, I've retagged them out of [tag:wireless] and shoved the contents of [tag:wireless] into [tag:wifi]." CreationDate="2012-11-30T15:50:20.193" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7746" PostId="3944" Score="0" Text="I don't think so, as in my editing preview, it is correctly evaluated." CreationDate="2012-11-29T00:44:04.527" UserId="50950" />
  <row Id="7747" PostId="3944" Score="0" Text="Sorry, I confused something there, the preview doesn't evaluate the syntax. But I don't think that it would look bad inside the box, as you described." CreationDate="2012-11-29T02:34:50.893" UserId="50950" />
  <row Id="7758" PostId="3947" Score="0" Text="Thanks Chris. I'll look into smokeping. At this point *any* data will be useful." CreationDate="2012-11-29T19:01:51.170" UserId="15882" />
  <row Id="7757" PostId="3948" Score="0" Text="thank you. I'll see what I can uncover with continuous ping, and especially thank you for The Workplace, a new SE site for me. You're correct that the real issue here is politcal/social, not technical. I guess I've been focussing on the technical because I'm good at it, and feel like I've a hope of moving things on that level, whereas the political... well after almost 15 years here there's a reason I'm still not a manager. :)" CreationDate="2012-11-29T19:00:06.383" UserId="15882" />
  <row Id="7760" PostId="3950" Score="0" Text="I think i generally prefer [tag:wireless-network] but [tag:802.11] isn't bad either." CreationDate="2012-11-30T00:31:20.607" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="7762" PostId="3950" Score="0" Text="`wireless-network` is still a little vague for my tastes. e.g. Bluetooth *is* wireless networking, even though it normally consists of only two devices on that network." CreationDate="2012-11-30T05:39:05.653" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7763" PostId="3950" Score="0" Text="I'm now pondering whether Bluetooth is actually On Topic for SF!" CreationDate="2012-11-30T10:25:53.020" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="7773" PostId="3950" Score="0" Text="Potentially yes, although I've yet to see a Bluetooth question that is on topic. Regardless, if we're trying to make a single tag to cover what we normally consider to be &quot;wireless&quot; then it should ideally be as exclusionist as possible." CreationDate="2012-11-30T23:38:14.467" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7796" PostId="3950" Score="0" Text="WiMax, cellular mobile and point-to-point microwave is &quot;wireless networking&quot; too, but I don't think there's an &quot;RF Engineering&quot; SE, yet?" CreationDate="2012-12-04T02:55:36.490" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="7812" PostId="3950" Score="0" Text="802.11 is probably terrible for search engine purposes." CreationDate="2012-12-07T20:43:22.377" UserId="118522" />
  <row Id="7813" PostId="3950" Score="0" Text="@smcg, why? I'm able to search for such things just fine." CreationDate="2012-12-07T22:06:29.960" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7764" PostId="3952" Score="1" Text="Find someone to run some SQL." CreationDate="2012-11-30T15:37:54.277" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="7766" PostId="3952" Score="0" Text="Flag for moderator attention?  Oh, wait...  Seems like a job for team@stackoverflow.com" CreationDate="2012-11-30T17:20:40.823" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="7767" PostId="3952" Score="0" Text="He could just earn enough rep on somewhere so that he can add comments to any question, then not worry about it?" CreationDate="2012-11-30T18:29:27.900" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="7768" PostId="3952" Score="0" Text="Looks like he might have deleted his own account. There's ambiguous language describing if a user is able to delete their own account or not. But it fits the scenario." CreationDate="2012-11-30T18:46:32.153" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7775" PostId="3953" Score="8" Text="What's with all the &quot;(!)&quot;? If you're going to write like kid you can expect to be treated accordingly." CreationDate="2012-12-02T04:08:08.337" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7776" PostId="3953" Score="1" Text="Those mark the topics which should be asked on serverfault.com from the FAQ. You probably don't know about them." CreationDate="2012-12-02T04:44:00.603" UserId="50950" />
  <row Id="7777" PostId="3953" Score="3" Text="@aef I think it's pretty fair to say that John (as one of the users prominently involved in helping craft our FAQ) is well aware of its contents." CreationDate="2012-12-02T04:47:09.860" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7778" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="Well then, why the question?" CreationDate="2012-12-02T04:48:07.690" UserId="50950" />
  <row Id="7782" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="Are you really voting me down because I marked words with an exclamation mark in my text?" CreationDate="2012-12-02T07:42:35.413" UserId="50950" />
  <row Id="7783" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="Reading your answer I should have closed your question as Too Localized rather than going with Off Topic (which it appears to be). TL because, whilst your answer may solve your specific problem it does not solve the general problem (which in reality is what we're here for) and is therefore only of use to you." CreationDate="2012-12-02T08:06:20.597" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7784" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="@Iain: If you would close every question if the first answer doesn't solve it completely sufficient, there would be a serious lack of useful information on the site. I don't understand that argumentation. If a question is closed, there is no chance to ever get a better answer." CreationDate="2012-12-02T08:51:42.323" UserId="50950" />
  <row Id="7785" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="Most first answers generally answer the question posed rather than just saying I gave up and used a different tool, which, whilst solving your problem doesn't really answer the question." CreationDate="2012-12-02T09:29:33.570" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7786" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="@Iain Maybe, but how does it help to close the question? You won't get a better answer then." CreationDate="2012-12-02T15:57:36.907" UserId="50950" />
  <row Id="7787" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="And did you notice that there seem to be a lot of people not discussing this topic but instead downvoting my topic because @JohnGardeniers said it would be childish to mark words with an exclamation mark. I see no professionalism in that." CreationDate="2012-12-02T15:59:52.370" UserId="50950" />
  <row Id="7788" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="@ae: My spidey sense tells me that most people would look at your answer and walk away because you did too. DVs on meta are because people are disagreeing with you. You'll have noted that Michael has taken some too as people are doing the same." CreationDate="2012-12-02T17:38:20.400" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7789" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="@aef things work differently here on meta, downvotes mean that people don't tend to agree, whereas upvotes suggest people do agree. Don't take it personally." CreationDate="2012-12-02T21:11:01.153" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="7779" PostId="3955" Score="0" Text="It solved my problem, and I posted what I did to solve that problem. People who can't change the software just lost their chance of a different answer because some guys closed the question. That wasn't my idea." CreationDate="2012-12-02T04:53:14.897" UserId="50950" />
  <row Id="7780" PostId="3955" Score="1" Text="@aef I think you've missed my point (and/or did not read [the blog post I linked to](http://serverfault.com/a/163959/32986)). A good answer should explain the &quot;***WHY***&quot;, not just the &quot;How&quot;.  Your answer has no &quot;Why&quot;, which limits its value." CreationDate="2012-12-02T05:01:46.037" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7781" PostId="3955" Score="0" Text="I don't know why, I guess its a bug. Should I have kept the solution to me, just because I don't know why? Think about all the people how CAN change the software product." CreationDate="2012-12-02T05:04:55.967" UserId="50950" />
  <row Id="7790" PostId="3956" Score="0" Text="It's not the words used that makes a question on topic. It's the context." CreationDate="2012-12-03T06:27:49.533" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7791" PostId="3956" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers Maybe I'm being dumb, but I don't see why the context of this particular question makes it off topic? It seems to fit the FAQ as far as I can tell, other than the fact it's missing a few words to make it appear as though the question relates to a professional environment." CreationDate="2012-12-03T08:38:16.313" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="7794" PostId="3956" Score="0" Text="My point is simply that the question either is or is not on topic. Throwing a few keywords at it won't change things." CreationDate="2012-12-04T00:40:57.800" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7807" PostId="3956" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers Not convinced, I've seen off topic questions here on SF relating directly to home use, which has then had any reference to home being edited out by other users, thus generating an on topic question with many up votes. So keywords can make or break a borderline question, which is what I think this question is." CreationDate="2012-12-04T23:02:35.613" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="7792" PostId="3957" Score="0" Text="There's a few of these corner case race conditions - I've been able to post answers to closed questions more than once." CreationDate="2012-12-03T16:27:22.537" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7795" PostId="3961" Score="0" Text="Welcome to meta and you are most welcome to participate (especially when you agree with something I said). :)" CreationDate="2012-12-04T00:49:44.587" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7793" PostId="3962" Score="0" Text="Perfecta. I know I've seen this at least once before, but it's been a while. Obviously not a common problem. Thank you!" CreationDate="2012-12-03T23:00:01.030" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7797" PostId="3964" Score="0" Text="ok I see, probably my mistake, but honestly I do not know how to rephrase my question any more simple. Usually you as System Administrator use WireShark or similar to monitor the whole traffic of your network card, I as programmer use Fiddler, to monitor the HTTP protocol only, If I make a simple HTTP request, then all Fiddler tells me is that is being tunneled to that microsoft address that should be something pretty common for administrators that handle windows server, what do you think?" CreationDate="2012-12-04T20:09:45.070" UserId="148246" />
  <row Id="7798" PostId="3964" Score="0" Text="@lain and the other thing is that the moderators did wrong by closing without making sure they understand the topic, that definetely pushed a button on me." CreationDate="2012-12-04T20:12:41.423" UserId="148246" />
  <row Id="7799" PostId="3964" Score="0" Text="sorry for the spam, @lain but if serverfault do not support the tag .net, why is even there anyway?" CreationDate="2012-12-04T20:14:07.087" UserId="148246" />
  <row Id="7800" PostId="3964" Score="4" Text="Wireshark can filter traffic, there's quite a few ways to capture just HTTP traffic too. The request to iecvlist.microsoft.com is checking if your destination site is on the Compatibility View list, it's not actually tunneling your request. This seems solidly a .NET programming issue, which is well into [SO] and Off-Topic on [SF]. Cross posting is against the rules; I appreciate that you want multiple points of view, but don't do it, ever. If you post a Q on one site and don't get an Answer, Flag it for Migration and we'll move it. Voretaq was correct that's it off-topic, and he stated as much" CreationDate="2012-12-04T20:31:14.787" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7801" PostId="3964" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS THANK YOU!!! that is exactly the kind of answer I was expecting, your answer is completely different of Voretaq, that is the difference when you know what you are talking about, what you just told me makes much more sense now, you see, if you are taling about Compatibility View that is Configuration .. not code, anyway, I saw that you answered in stackoverflow, thank you again" CreationDate="2012-12-04T20:47:27.550" UserId="148246" />
  <row Id="7802" PostId="3965" Score="0" Text="Fair enough, discussion is what moves society forward, indeed you are right, either I should have put more effort on the way I presented my question in ServerFault or just not posting anything at all, I do think though, that further revisions should be made on &quot;cross-posting&quot;. In real life, I've had to discuss issues with programmers and system administrators at the same time, so just the fact that a question is posted in SO shouldn't automatically discouraged the same topic in SF. As you said, just my $ 3.50, indeed are granted." CreationDate="2012-12-04T21:39:37.263" UserId="148246" />
  <row Id="7803" PostId="3965" Score="0" Text="@JorgeAlvarado The &quot;no cross-posting&quot; thing has come up from time to time on mSO ([this question](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/64068) seems to be the canonical Q&amp;A for it).  It's not always a clear-cut ***NO*** (for example if you asked on SO and the answers lead you to a related question on topic for SF, that's generally considered fine), but identical or mostly-identical questions are discouraged. There's definitely a place for cross-talk though - Using chat (or even Meta) to facilitate that seems reasonable to me but I'm open to other ideas too." CreationDate="2012-12-04T21:47:10.047" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7804" PostId="3965" Score="0" Text="understood, thanks for the help anyway, this is the first &quot;controversy&quot; I got into and I'm satisfied with the output, you never stop learning. I will probably delete my account in SF though, I'm not so much into the &quot;Infrastructure&quot; realm anyway :P" CreationDate="2012-12-04T22:11:08.257" UserId="148246" />
  <row Id="7805" PostId="3965" Score="0" Text="@JorgeAlvarado Oh boy you think THIS is controversy? You should see the discussion about whether cPanel questions are &quot;professional sysadmin&quot; related or not ([some idiot went and defended them and we've been regretting the aftermath ever since](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/3428/32986))" CreationDate="2012-12-04T22:27:46.680" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7806" PostId="3965" Score="0" Text="hahahaha, man, looks like ServerFault is a whole new twilight zone (no pun intended) :D , you got some serious issues around here, though we in SO we have [our issues too] (http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/89217/50-question-per-month-limit)" CreationDate="2012-12-04T22:42:22.537" UserId="148246" />
  <row Id="7808" PostId="3966" Score="0" Text="I do not share your opinion @John, because I could have used the REST Client of Sharepoint (which is a packaged software) and call the same REST API on ad different port than 80, and have the same results because if Fiddler could have been opened you would have the same problem. My code, had nothing to do with fiddler intercepting the http request. REST is different in mny ways to a simple url browsing because its API is bounded to the HTTP protocol much stricter than what a browser does with only GET/POST commands" CreationDate="2012-12-05T06:55:50.520" UserId="148246" />
  <row Id="7814" PostId="3969" Score="0" Text="The problem remains that &quot;WiFi&quot; has no definition." CreationDate="2012-12-07T22:11:05.817" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7825" PostId="3969" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Agreed, maybe we are looking at this wrong, maybe we should create different tags for wireless protocols and related software and a different tag for wireless hardware to separate the stack a bit, but not get so fined grained as to have different tags for different technologies themselves such as WiFi versus Bluetooth unless the amount of questions for a specific subject increases dramatically." CreationDate="2012-12-07T23:08:42.687" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="7811" PostId="3970" Score="1" Text="Looks kinda sorta polling to me. And will perhaps end up being too localized as well." CreationDate="2012-12-07T18:50:14.280" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="7815" PostId="3970" Score="0" Text="The OP posting a bounty on that question has merely postponed the inevitable." CreationDate="2012-12-07T22:17:09.413" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7830" PostId="3972" Score="0" Text="It still reads like a shopping question to me even after your edit: *How can I tell what would make a good choice for a solution that will fit the following criteria? {list of requirements}* still reads a lot like asking for product suggestions." CreationDate="2012-12-07T23:22:06.243" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7816" PostId="3973" Score="0" Text="Why is my one a product-recommendation question and subjective, whereas the one it was &quot;a dupe of&quot; was not?" CreationDate="2012-12-07T22:26:23.340" UserId="23304" />
  <row Id="7817" PostId="3973" Score="3" Text="@Jez Thanks for the catch, I'd missed that fact." CreationDate="2012-12-07T22:28:53.600" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7818" PostId="3973" Score="0" Text="Are you serious or being sarcastic?" CreationDate="2012-12-07T22:29:42.647" UserId="23304" />
  <row Id="7819" PostId="3973" Score="2" Text="@Jez You'll notice the question you were referring to is now **&quot;Historically Locked&quot;** -- `This question exists because it has historical significance, but it is not considered a good, on-topic question for this site, so please do not use it as evidence that you can ask similar questions here. This question and its answers are frozen and cannot be changed. More info: FAQ.` - If after researching your options you have &quot;How can I do `X` with software `Y`&quot; type questions we can answer those to help you narrow down a final choice, but the initial recommendation is something we're not equipped for." CreationDate="2012-12-07T22:37:18.820" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7820" PostId="3973" Score="0" Text="That question was at +71, and had at least 10 decent quality answers.  Frankly, I think there's a good case to be made that such questions should be allowed on this site.  How can I go about requesting that this rule be changed?" CreationDate="2012-12-07T22:39:57.300" UserId="23304" />
  <row Id="7821" PostId="3973" Score="1" Text="@jez Write a good question on Meta with a very good justification for changing back." CreationDate="2012-12-07T22:50:58.273" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7822" PostId="3973" Score="2" Text="@jez, just because a question is popular does **not** mean it's on topic. there was a lot of crap posted in the past that will not be accepted now. There have been a number of discussions relating to *why* these questions should not be allowed. Before arguing the case please take some time to go through previous meta posts, which will give you a much better idea of why we do what we do." CreationDate="2012-12-07T22:55:38.080" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7823" PostId="3973" Score="0" Text="Shouldn't people who posted that &quot;crap&quot; have their karma for asking it revoked?" CreationDate="2012-12-07T22:58:48.350" UserId="23304" />
  <row Id="7824" PostId="3973" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 As for the &quot;significantly subjective&quot;, surely most answers on this site are highly subjective? As a random example, how about [this](http://serverfault.com/questions/289840/sftp-access-akin-to-jailed-shell)? Surely one person may think one approach would be &quot;middle ground between being secure and complicated to set-up&quot;, and someone else would think another approach would. Why is that acceptable and not asking about pros and cons of products that people have directly worked with? Don't you think you're taking the &quot;subjective&quot; thing a bit too far?" CreationDate="2012-12-07T23:05:09.447" UserId="23304" />
  <row Id="7826" PostId="3973" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 I reworked the question based on [this post](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/qa-is-hard-lets-go-shopping/) to remove the product recommendation aspect. Can it now be reopened?" CreationDate="2012-12-07T23:16:29.300" UserId="23304" />
  <row Id="7827" PostId="3973" Score="0" Text="@Jez The question you linked to is somewhat old; the topicality of [SF] has changed quite a bit since its inception. That question is borderline now. As long as answers accomplish the technical task at hand and can be supported by configuration, documentation, etc they're generally not considered &quot;subjective&quot;. I do recognize the humor/Hippocratic in the fact that this is a subjective definition of subjective content." CreationDate="2012-12-07T23:17:00.703" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7828" PostId="3974" Score="0" Text="I noticed you updated your question, however it still reads as a product recommendation question.  You are going to have to evaluate each product you are considering." CreationDate="2012-12-07T23:20:25.277" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="7829" PostId="3974" Score="0" Text="How?  I'm not specifically asking for recommendations, I'm following Jeff's guidelines in asking *how to evaluate* stuff." CreationDate="2012-12-07T23:21:31.847" UserId="23304" />
  <row Id="7831" PostId="3974" Score="0" Text="Because you are providing a set of criteria and then asking the community to help you pick a product that will help you, that's the definition of requesting a recommendation." CreationDate="2012-12-07T23:24:15.420" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="7832" PostId="3974" Score="0" Text="Where am I asking them to pick a product that will help me?" CreationDate="2012-12-07T23:27:27.637" UserId="23304" />
  <row Id="7833" PostId="3974" Score="0" Text="This and the following list: `How can I tell what would make a good choice for a solution that will fit the following criteria?`" CreationDate="2012-12-07T23:28:26.763" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="7834" PostId="3974" Score="0" Text="That's not asking for a product recommendation, it's asking for help with evaluation." CreationDate="2012-12-07T23:31:21.930" UserId="23304" />
  <row Id="7835" PostId="3974" Score="1" Text="@Jez That's a recommendation request, sorry." CreationDate="2012-12-07T23:31:56.577" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="7837" PostId="3976" Score="1" Text="Even better, contribute it back to fail2ban so that everyone can benefit from it." CreationDate="2012-12-09T19:45:33.217" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7845" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="Unrelated to &quot;How do I post an answer like this&quot;, but for the particular question you're referencing [note the caveat in its answer](http://serverfault.com/a/456407/32986).  Custom coded solutions that work in the general case are great, but I wouldn't suggest posting solutions that help people *Do It Wrong* -- a well-meaning answer with a great piece of code might wind up just getting you downvoted and smacked around in the comments for encouraging a Bad Idea." CreationDate="2012-12-10T16:14:59.530" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7838" PostId="3978" Score="2" Text="If you are that worried about your data, you ought to be just as concerned (or even more) about your backup procedures than on the server itself." CreationDate="2012-12-09T20:15:54.317" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="7842" PostId="3978" Score="0" Text="Also, the fact you're trying to beat the ability of a microserver by putting in 16GB of RAM suggests to me you're doing something wrong." CreationDate="2012-12-10T14:42:49.780" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="7843" PostId="3978" Score="1" Text="By the by, since drawing attention to your question as being a home server issue, it's attracted a couple close votes after being re-opened, so maybe not the best idea, for future reference." CreationDate="2012-12-10T15:10:33.967" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7844" PostId="3978" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3978/are-questions-about-home-server-somehow-inherently-off-topic-if-so-why#comment7836_3980" CreationDate="2012-12-10T15:51:34.140" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7839" PostId="3979" Score="2" Text="I have personal issue with this rationale, because I do things frequently in a home network environment that I might also be inclined to do in a small corporate network, ie: setting up a BSD Router w/ DHCP / NAT / DNS / IPv6 / Mail , etc, and it really is my &quot;learning&quot; platform so I know how to do that before I try do it in a paid capacity.  So for me, &quot;Home setting&quot; is very, very vague." CreationDate="2012-12-09T21:19:08.073" UserId="1626" />
  <row Id="7840" PostId="3979" Score="0" Text="I mean, there are only 4 people behind my router, ... but I've also worked in businesses where there could easily be only 4 people behind the router, and they just use shitty commodity hardware for that. So my &quot;Home Network&quot; could be considered more &quot;professional&quot; than many &quot;Professional enterprises&quot;  =p" CreationDate="2012-12-09T21:23:40.167" UserId="1626" />
  <row Id="7841" PostId="3979" Score="9" Text="@KentFredric If the 'home' setting of your question is irrelevant, don't bring it up then.  If your question is on-topic for the the site aside from that detail.  If the question cannot be asked without bring up that this is for home-use then the question is off-topic.  Or if the person who asked the question balks at the answers saying they don't apply because this is a home-use setting or that they are not a professional, then the question is off-topic.  The home-use rule is just a way to weed out people who want a half-assed solution." CreationDate="2012-12-09T23:45:55.073" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="7836" PostId="3980" Score="2" Text="The difficulty is that the OP has created a great big pythonesqe finger with the caption 'Home Use Question This Way' above :(" CreationDate="2012-12-09T08:56:51.110" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7849" PostId="3982" Score="0" Text="[Last year's ads in case anyone wants to resurrect one](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2468/community-promotion-ads-2012)" CreationDate="2012-12-10T16:46:21.477" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7860" PostId="3982" Score="0" Text="Can it be a commercial company advertisement?" CreationDate="2012-12-11T14:55:21.227" UserId="92682" />
  <row Id="7865" PostId="3982" Score="0" Text="@ibrahim I don't believe there's a specific ban on advertising commercial products, but if someone wants to place a commercial ad they should [talk to Stack Exchange (ads@stackexchange.com or the phone number)](http://stackexchange.com/about/contact) - I'm told the ad rates are pretty reasonable, and I know these sites can't be cheap to run :)" CreationDate="2012-12-11T20:58:29.980" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7846" PostId="3983" Score="3" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting. Last cycle, y'all knocked it deep into the sea with downvotes." CreationDate="2012-12-10T16:36:36.927" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="7847" PostId="3983" Score="4" Text="we have to have a &quot;discussion&quot; with the twitter question-selection algorithm at some point -- [has it gotten any better at posting good questions](https://twitter.com/serverfault)?" CreationDate="2012-12-10T16:45:41.617" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7848" PostId="3983" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 No, I don't think it's gotten any better." CreationDate="2012-12-10T16:46:06.953" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="7871" PostId="3984" Score="1" Text="The Rotation - Secure: http://i.stack.imgur.com/DpB75.png Creation: http://i.imgur.com/gz1Si.png Choice: http://i.imgur.com/FR25D.png" CreationDate="2012-12-12T18:08:07.233" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7850" PostId="3987" Score="0" Text="If anyone wants to work on this image feel free - Gimp is being its usually gimp-y self (I wanted a black background, but apparently I NO CAN HAS without artifacts)" CreationDate="2012-12-10T17:21:19.567" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7854" PostId="3987" Score="0" Text="It was a lot quality JPEG, wasn't it?" CreationDate="2012-12-10T21:11:28.773" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7857" PostId="3987" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Yup. Both images. Were the bat's wings your first clue?" CreationDate="2012-12-10T21:36:45.353" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7858" PostId="3987" Score="0" Text="When I did a Color-&gt;Map-&gt;Color Exchange White to Black and dialed up the threashold, instead of neatly blending the colors I get aliased artifacts galore. Classic symptom of crappy JPEGs." CreationDate="2012-12-10T21:44:41.387" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7859" PostId="3987" Score="2" Text="Shouldn't it say OS X instead of Mac?" CreationDate="2012-12-11T12:53:10.887" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7861" PostId="3987" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra Probably, but I used their official tagline from http://bacula.org" CreationDate="2012-12-11T16:06:09.753" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10655" PostId="3988" Score="0" Text="What does REDFINED mean?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:19:41.500" UserId="12324" />
  <row Id="10660" PostId="3988" Score="2" Text="Months. MONTHS! And nobody tells me...." CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:18:39.217" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7855" PostId="3990" Score="0" Text="oh, I thought CW was a one-way trip. thanks Chris!" CreationDate="2012-12-10T21:11:59.117" UserId="15882" />
  <row Id="7856" PostId="3990" Score="2" Text="Mods can do/undo almost anything a user can do. The community team and Devs can do anything... You just have to have a good reason to inspire us with, we're lazy." CreationDate="2012-12-10T21:13:28.310" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7863" PostId="3992" Score="2" Text="You may want to add this to [dba.se]'s community promotion ads too - there's a decent Postgres contingent over there." CreationDate="2012-12-11T20:30:03.920" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7862" PostId="3993" Score="2" Text="The ad should give a sense of what the product does. I can't tell, at a glance, what BootstrapCDN does. See the Barman ad as an example... it's very clear that Barman is a backup manager for PostgresSQL." CreationDate="2012-12-11T19:12:55.767" UserId="36178" />
  <row Id="7864" PostId="3993" Score="2" Text="A CDN ad seems more appropriate for [webmasters.SE] than Server Fault IMHO. I dropped it [on their community ads question](http://meta.webmasters.stackexchange.com/a/911/14055)" CreationDate="2012-12-11T20:34:43.857" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7872" PostId="3997" Score="0" Text="Wait... we have an app? Or is that a bookmark and someone is mucking about with our favicon?" CreationDate="2012-12-12T21:34:47.710" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7873" PostId="3997" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 - bookmark icon. There was an unofficial app called 6to8 but it was unmaintained, and was read only (due to the API). Since the mobile site, it's totally unnessesary" CreationDate="2012-12-12T21:35:29.243" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7874" PostId="3997" Score="0" Text="I wonder if SF was having one of its little maintenance outages when the bookmark icon was last checked?  I vaguely believe the generic error page has the more generic icon." CreationDate="2012-12-12T21:56:27.600" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="7875" PostId="3998" Score="3" Text="There's probably an app for that." CreationDate="2012-12-12T22:39:13.917" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7877" PostId="4000" Score="2" Text="From my observations, the /review workflow makes close-and-forget processing much easier. I suspect that's part of it." CreationDate="2012-12-13T16:30:51.790" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7878" PostId="4000" Score="0" Text="Thanks. Unfortunately, that's what I had to work with, so I wanted to make sure it would work as well as possible." CreationDate="2012-12-13T17:19:03.980" UserId="65498" />
  <row Id="7879" PostId="4002" Score="4" Text="Think its time for an announcement similar to this? http://meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/5498/a-close-vote-is-not-a-super-downvote-please-dont-use-it-as-one" CreationDate="2012-12-13T19:58:32.767" UserId="45705" />
  <row Id="7881" PostId="4002" Score="1" Text="@TheLQ - I like that annoucement" CreationDate="2012-12-13T20:50:50.913" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7891" PostId="4003" Score="0" Text="Seems like a fine question to me - the only sin you committed was pasting your whole configuration file (which is a lesser sin, like betting on the superbowl).  We generally prefer only the *relevant* sections of the config, though if you're not sure what's &quot;relevant&quot; it's better to paste it all.  (And to be fair I looked at it for 5 minutes and couldn't figure out what to trim to tighten it up, so you probably posted about the minimum amount of information :-)" CreationDate="2012-12-14T16:16:27.643" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7882" PostId="4004" Score="0" Text="Great answer :) My apologies, I actually meant SF and not SU. :)" CreationDate="2012-12-14T08:38:35.340" UserId="91250" />
  <row Id="7883" PostId="4005" Score="1" Text="That crap gets flagged all the time too; welcome to our (mods) dilemma. As you've stated it's certainly not good enough for an upvote, but not quite bad enough to get baleted. If feels like you should do something about it..." CreationDate="2012-12-14T14:16:04.300" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7890" PostId="4005" Score="2" Text="Unless you have a strong objection I'm going to kick this to mSO because it really is a flaw (possibly Broken As Designed) in the /review system's late answers queue that affects all sites. It will get more attention there (and this discussion may have already happened and I've just missed it)." CreationDate="2012-12-14T16:09:29.497" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7893" PostId="4005" Score="2" Text="It's already been [brought up](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/157706/looks-good-in-first-post-review) on MSO, several times in fact. I'm... softening toward the idea." CreationDate="2012-12-14T16:41:54.713" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="7904" PostId="4005" Score="1" Text="Looks like this has been completed. There is now a &quot;No Action Needed&quot; option." CreationDate="2012-12-15T00:22:28.353" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7908" PostId="4005" Score="0" Text="I thought that queue was for all late answers, not just those by new users." CreationDate="2012-12-15T06:22:31.360" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7885" PostId="4006" Score="3" Text="That's a terrible question to begin with.. If I have to read the question three times to figure out what they're asking, it sure isn't &quot;well-written&quot;. Though it doesn't seem like it should be closed as &quot;too localized&quot; either." CreationDate="2012-12-14T14:37:46.203" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7887" PostId="4006" Score="5" Text="Do you have any other examples? That one question was reversed, but &quot;getting sick of ___&quot; implies that it's a frequent happening that you notice. Additional examples would be very helpful if you want to make your case about `&quot;Too Localized&quot;` in general. If you only care about this one specific question, then maybe you should change the title." CreationDate="2012-12-14T14:52:39.400" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7892" PostId="4006" Score="4" Text="&quot;Posting about closed questions on Meta is too frequently abused&quot; -- This should really be handled by casting reopen votes. (You're only 1603 rep away from being able to cast reopen votes, so until then feel free to use Meta for exceptionally egregious cases you spot.)  If you're ***REALLY*** seeing a pattern where &quot;Too Localized&quot; is being abused please update your question to include more than one example. A pattern of one is called &quot;an anomaly&quot;." CreationDate="2012-12-14T16:26:16.777" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7909" PostId="4006" Score="0" Text="I cast my vote on that question as NARL, not TL, although it was a close call." CreationDate="2012-12-15T06:25:47.207" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7910" PostId="4006" Score="0" Text="I can't help noticing that the question is currently open but you have not answered it. Better be quick because I don't think it will remain open much longer." CreationDate="2012-12-15T06:30:42.033" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7884" PostId="4007" Score="0" Text="Thanks.  But this isn't the only time I've seen this happen.  When it happens to my question, it really makes this place seem cliquish and unwelcoming.  I feel that voting to close for being too localized ought to be used more judiciously." CreationDate="2012-12-14T14:23:37.287" UserId="30996" />
  <row Id="7886" PostId="4007" Score="2" Text="@jamieb If you saw the mountains of crap that actually *deserve* to be closed, you might understand why a couple of &quot;unintended&quot; targets take collateral damage. If you disagree with a closure, you can always flag it for re-open, or post it here for review. Mistakes happen. On the same note, if something is closed legitimately and you disagree with it, but you post here and ask for clarification, it might shed some light on reasons *why* it was closed that you didn't initially consider." CreationDate="2012-12-14T14:47:50.673" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7888" PostId="4007" Score="1" Text="@jamieb what questions are you talking about, other than this one. You say &quot;My Questions&quot; but the only closed question I can see thats obviously closed on your profile is http://serverfault.com/questions/415713/what-advantages-features-does-puppet-or-chef-offer-over-salt-or-vice-versa - and I don't see that as a harsh closure personally." CreationDate="2012-12-14T15:27:17.950" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7894" PostId="4011" Score="2" Text="I suppose this is about comments that are not intended to update the actual question and do not clarify details related to the question?" CreationDate="2012-12-14T21:11:00.720" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="7895" PostId="4011" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache Correct." CreationDate="2012-12-14T21:36:22.800" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="7896" PostId="4012" Score="0" Text="Let the avalanche of corrected questions from 20**10** begin!" CreationDate="2012-12-14T21:38:14.280" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7897" PostId="4012" Score="0" Text="Oh, dear. I just looked at the [revisions list](http://serverfault.com/posts/457235/revisions), and it turns out that the inline comment was added by a moderator, probably in response to a &quot;not an answer&quot; flag. It was not added by the original asker. Mr. Chairman, please let the record show that I didn't *intend* to start a war." CreationDate="2012-12-14T21:40:37.503" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="7898" PostId="4012" Score="0" Text="@MilesErickson It wasn't me, was it? I try to keep my multiple personalities in check but they don't talk to each other so sometimes things get strange..." CreationDate="2012-12-14T21:42:35.220" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7899" PostId="4012" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Markdown ate your babies?" CreationDate="2012-12-14T21:42:52.413" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7903" PostId="4012" Score="0" Text="No, markdown just sucks.  Won't let me bold part of a word, so... that's as good as it gets.  Mucking farkdown." CreationDate="2012-12-14T22:39:58.350" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7900" PostId="4013" Score="0" Text="Well done sir. Well done indeed." CreationDate="2012-12-14T21:51:52.623" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="7901" PostId="4013" Score="0" Text="This is why the ***DELETE*** buttons need to be BIGGER!" CreationDate="2012-12-14T21:54:05.813" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7902" PostId="4013" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7: and **RED**" CreationDate="2012-12-14T21:54:57.883" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7907" PostId="4014" Score="0" Text="The question is about the Late Answers queue, not the First Posts queue." CreationDate="2012-12-15T06:21:41.610" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7912" PostId="4014" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers It's there too, but I've done my 20 late answer reviews for the day already, and am unable to get a screenshot of the button on that specific review queue.  But it's there all the same." CreationDate="2012-12-15T09:35:47.617" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7905" PostId="4016" Score="0" Text="Whaddya mean? Meta works fine :-)" CreationDate="2012-12-15T03:52:54.980" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7906" PostId="4016" Score="0" Text="Yes... That's what I mean." CreationDate="2012-12-15T03:55:25.997" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7914" PostId="4017" Score="4" Text="Glad it's not just me. I checked the site on my iPad and thought &quot;this looks awful&quot; but figured it was maybe an issue with how the ipad was rendering it. It doesn't look *as* bad on my main computer but it doesn't look right either. There's a few changes made as part of this 'revision' of the site layout and some of them aren't so bad, but I truly think the vote layout change is a mistake." CreationDate="2012-12-15T11:16:53.463" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7913" PostId="4018" Score="3" Text="It's not just us then. It also appears I'm not the only one who disagrees with the change. Change just for the sake of change is rarely a good or popular thing." CreationDate="2012-12-15T09:57:37.060" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7915" PostId="4019" Score="1" Text="Yes, there have been complaints. I can't recall the font weight that I'm referring to being one of them. If changes are required they should be to those things people *have* complained about." CreationDate="2012-12-15T21:43:34.357" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7916" PostId="4019" Score="1" Text="None of the complaints have been addressed :(" CreationDate="2012-12-15T21:59:37.667" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7917" PostId="4019" Score="3" Text="It's also worth noting that the changes that have been made are inconsistent with the general appearance of the site, which makes them even more of an eyesore than they would be otherwise. The vote count compared to the rest looks like Laurel and Hardy." CreationDate="2012-12-16T00:41:58.993" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7949" PostId="4019" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Jin - who apparently is the one in charge for the template changes, stated [*Instead of a major release of changes at once, I prefer to do small incremental ones so it's less of an impact*](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/158762/whats-up-with-the-new-css#comment459466_158763). I assume this is partly a bad case of *The journey is its own reward* - Taoism. But since *something* is moving, I would expect things to move on and eventually get the broken features fixed." CreationDate="2012-12-16T23:43:36.810" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="7950" PostId="4019" Score="0" Text="Being a skeptic by nature you'll understand when I say that I'll believe it when I see it. Regardless, it still doesn't understand why something that had no need to be changed was changed for the worse when there are so many things that *need* to be changed. As far as I'm concerned it's just another case of a dev changing something to suit his own weird sense of style." CreationDate="2012-12-17T00:11:50.197" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7952" PostId="4019" Score="1" Text="@JohnGardeniers I would not say it changed for the worse. It just ... changed. As this frequently happens to other Web (2.0) sites, I stopped questioning the rationales long ago. If Joel wanted a new look, there would be nothing to stop him anyway (well, except maybe a number of angry [venture capital companies'](http://pseps.com/company/Stack-Exchange) managers calling his desk and asking him to think again), so all is left is hoping for the better. Also, I don't believe things like a design would get changed without major consultations - so it is probably much more than just &quot;one dev&quot;." CreationDate="2012-12-17T00:39:35.323" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="7922" PostId="4020" Score="3" Text="Aren't list questions the &quot;polling&quot; part of the not constructive close reason?" CreationDate="2012-12-16T05:39:22.483" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="7924" PostId="4020" Score="1" Text="@ShaneMadden I always interpreted &quot; polling&quot; as &quot;what's your favorite / the best / the widget you use for *some task*?&quot; myself. List questions could fall under NARQ (&quot;Overly Broad&quot;) or just plain &quot;Off-Topic&quot; (we don't generally do questions where the answer is a  &quot;list-o-things&quot;, pile of links, something you could get from Google in 10 seconds, etc.) though." CreationDate="2012-12-16T05:56:27.443" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7926" PostId="4020" Score="0" Text="I think your reference to SO allowing list questions is somewhat outdated. I can't find a reference right now but I don't believe they currently accept list type questions. IIRC 'the no loss of rep if content &gt;60days old gets deleted' rule is a direct consequence of the uproar caused by lots of old questions many of which were lists being deleted. The recent one you link to on SF being made CW also indicates that its on fragile ground. List questions are (generally) poor subject matter for SF and shouldn't be allowed." CreationDate="2012-12-16T07:30:40.137" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7927" PostId="4020" Score="0" Text="http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popularity/&#xA;http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/03/reputation-and-historical-archives/ http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/08/the-future-of-community-wiki/" CreationDate="2012-12-16T07:31:04.303" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7929" PostId="4020" Score="0" Text="This is a newer list question question - http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/79835/do-list-of-something-and-why-questions-belong-to-so there are probably more. Perhaps we need a community driven blog to put this type of information into." CreationDate="2012-12-16T08:01:27.783" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7941" PostId="4020" Score="1" Text="Related: [Good Subjective / Bad Subjective](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/)" CreationDate="2012-12-16T18:34:12.137" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7918" PostId="4021" Score="1" Text="I solidly disagree on your first point. That section from the FAQ is meant to imply that the topic is so broad that common books already exist. You could take almost any topic and write a book about it if you really wanted to. The second point, I'd like to think that part of the FAQ is more of a guideline, but I admit it's an arbitrary distinction that one line is a guideline to me where another is infallible law. SO and every SE site has that same line in their FAQ, yet they allow such questions. Who decides if a question is Practical or Chatty? On what empirical basis?" CreationDate="2012-12-16T05:07:14.180" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7919" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="I don't know that this ***particular question*** is &quot;reasonably scoped&quot; - &quot;What do you check/look for/need when building a ne server&quot; covers such a broad gamut that any real, thorough answer is going to be a novel (or endless bullet list). I ***DO*** think the answer is related to a problem the asker (and indeed, every sysadmin) faces, and it's certainly answerable (with the caveat above)." CreationDate="2012-12-16T05:19:08.413" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7920" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="What about if I narrowed it down to x type of audience? One topic for Small Business users, one for Enterprise users?" CreationDate="2012-12-16T05:21:30.390" UserId="23513" />
  <row Id="7921" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS The terms &quot;Practical&quot; and &quot;Chatty&quot; define themselves outside the realm of empiricism anyway, so I guess it's just cultural consensus... ?" CreationDate="2012-12-16T05:22:59.340" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7923" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="@Luke I think this general question is a good one. If I were to narrow it further I would say narrow it by server role (&quot;What should I consider when building a {mail, database, . . . } server?&quot;). Getting down to that fine a level of detail would invite controversy though. Obviously not all servers are created equal, and as you specialize they get substantially &quot;less equal&quot;..." CreationDate="2012-12-16T05:54:35.257" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7930" PostId="4021" Score="4" Text="I'm honestly quite sad that the community wants to be nothing more than &quot;Mr. Fix it for Free&quot;; that we can't formally discuss preventative measures or continuous improvement (I didn't like when we eliminated Career, Training, and Personal Development topics either). I think we've stepped over the line, we're not even talking about what a Good SysAdmin is *supposed* to do anymore. We're only talking about how to fight fires... That isn't the type of SysAdmin I want to be, and I hoped the community felt the same. I'm not sure if I want to be a part of *that* community." CreationDate="2012-12-16T15:43:21.600" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7931" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS To say that we're nothing but Mr. Fixits seems like a bit of a rash comment. Remember that scene in the Michael Keaton Batman movie? *&quot;Alfred! This soup is cold!&quot;* **&quot;It's gazpacho, sir.&quot;** *&quot;Oh.&quot;* The purpose and point of StackExchange was to ask objective questions and get objective answers." CreationDate="2012-12-16T16:29:54.307" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7932" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="The community does not appear to be snubbing the *topics* of Career, Training, Personal Development, or lists. Rather, I think we're acknowledging that the Q/AAAAA format of the StackExchange software does not lend itself as well to that form of discussion. That's why SE is not my only means of talking about SysAdminly topics. I have forums that I like to hang around on where the technical format allows discussion better than SE's application. I also blog and partake in other peoples' blogs where true peer review takes place." CreationDate="2012-12-16T16:31:08.863" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7933" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="Yes, if the community was truly snubbing those *topics* I wouldn't want to be a part of it either. Any body of people who are uninterested in career, training, development, etc. are just shy of toxic and will be a bad influence on anyone that frequents them. Fortunately, that's not ServerFault or any of the StackExchange sites that I'm aware of.&#xA;&#xA;(Also, I think lists are relatively easy to fit into the Q/A format, so could be allowed as long as people show discipline and don't pursue conversation, but that might be a little difficult. Hence my dislike of them on SF thus far.)" CreationDate="2012-12-16T16:31:59.843" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7934" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="Truly, it seems like a wiki would be more of a fit for these kinds of subjective, but profitable topics. I know Community Wiki options in the Stack Exchange software appear to have been implemented years ago for that purpose, but in practice it just didn't seem to ever work well with the rules that developed around contributions as a result of low quality Qs and As. Wasn't there a SysAdmin-Wiki that someone made a while back? I think it was www.sysadminpedia.com but has apparently died the death. Maybe that's a telling sign? =/" CreationDate="2012-12-16T16:34:33.620" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7935" PostId="4021" Score="1" Text="**TL;DR** StackExchange does what it does, but doesn't do what it doesn't do. Don't go away mad, Chris. =(" CreationDate="2012-12-16T16:35:16.800" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7936" PostId="4021" Score="1" Text="@WesleyDavid I don't intend to sound mad, a limitation of the medium I suppose. I truly am disappointed however as it's becoming more apparent that the community and I are on divergent paths. My quip about &quot;Mr Fix It&quot; might have been poignant, but I still think it accurate. The statistics are undeniable as well; SF has not grown since it's inception. Every other SE site has. Further we close more questions now than ever before. I wonder how our close rate compares to other SE sites." CreationDate="2012-12-16T17:02:56.893" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7937" PostId="4021" Score="2" Text="@ChrisS Well, to be fair, you didn't really give the community a lot of time to weigh in.  Midnight Saturday to noon Sunday are not exactly my prime interwebs hours, but I do agree with your perspective more than anyone else's.  This strikes me as being essentially the same as any number of our canonicals (or could be with a little editing), and it seems a shame to cut it off at the knees." CreationDate="2012-12-16T17:03:57.800" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="7938" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="As for &quot;snubbing those topics&quot;, please see the [FAQ]: `it is not about… Career, salary, personnel, employment, or formal education`, maybe stop by [workplace.se] and check it out." CreationDate="2012-12-16T17:04:50.997" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7939" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Good point; I'll give it a bit more time." CreationDate="2012-12-16T17:06:19.280" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="7940" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b this is my thinking as well - many of our canonical questions are essentially &quot;list of things&quot; answers. The key is the list is relatively static, and is either comprehensive (like subnetting) or general guidelines that a competent admin can expand on (all the spam-fighting questions). Personally I feel the criteria should not be &quot;Is this asking for a list of things?&quot; but rather &quot;Can I provide an answer, even a list of things with some explanation, that will have long-term value to someone else asking this question?&quot; - Good Subjective or Bad Subjective?" CreationDate="2012-12-16T17:54:15.543" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7942" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS As I was thinking on this topic last night and this morning, The Workplace kept coming to mind. Also Programmers. I suspect it works for them because the entire thrust of those sites is subjective. I would say that 90% or more of every Q and A are subjective. It's built-in to that site's purpose. With us, our purpose seems to have always been less about subjective topics and more about objective &quot;fix it&quot; topic. It seems to me that &quot;Broken Window Syndrome&quot; would take effect, where there's not supposed to be glass in the ports on Programmers or TW in the first place." CreationDate="2012-12-16T20:46:36.613" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7943" PostId="4021" Score="2" Text="Maybe ServerFault needs a &quot;SysAdmins&quot; to parallel StackOverflow's Programmers." CreationDate="2012-12-16T20:47:02.980" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7925" PostId="4022" Score="0" Text="(I expect there are more possible exceptions so I'll take suggestions ;)" CreationDate="2012-12-16T06:06:48.160" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7928" PostId="4022" Score="0" Text="If you allow one (or more) based on some subjective 'it depends' criteria then you create '[broken windows](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/03/the-value-of-downvoting-or-how-hacker-news-gets-it-wrong/)' and other people will use them as justification to post their list questions. As you know we already see this line of reasoning with other types of questions that are now considered off topic. List questions are the epitome of NC and should be dealt with as such. If Content like this has value then it really should be a blog post." CreationDate="2012-12-16T07:39:11.833" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7944" PostId="4025" Score="0" Text="[We have that question already.](http://serverfault.com/q/40764/126632)" CreationDate="2012-12-16T21:22:57.467" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7945" PostId="4025" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton That's how to convince a bigwig not to do it, I'm more interested in ways to mitigate damage when you have to go along with something." CreationDate="2012-12-16T22:01:21.403" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="7961" PostId="4025" Score="0" Text="All your examples are TL." CreationDate="2012-12-17T20:00:20.583" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7946" PostId="4026" Score="0" Text="I'm not talking just about a boss who wants to let his kid install games...  How about a small company that doesn't have much IT and the staff that design and build products are currently managing their own systems (a mix of Windows and Ubuntu desktops).  They don't want to give up control all at once, so in the meantime, what can be done to avoid or minimize problems?" CreationDate="2012-12-16T22:44:11.370" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="7947" PostId="4026" Score="0" Text="@ward [We have that question, too.](http://serverfault.com/q/412637/126632)" CreationDate="2012-12-16T22:48:42.783" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7948" PostId="4026" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton WTF? Some freak with a cross-eyed pony avatar answered that question with some suggestions..." CreationDate="2012-12-16T23:00:48.633" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="7951" PostId="4028" Score="1" Text="I don't disagree, but we have The Workplace now - These questions were (and in a sense still are) on-topic here, but can we do a better job than the folks on Workplace?" CreationDate="2012-12-17T00:15:31.307" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7953" PostId="4028" Score="1" Text="Are the folks on Workplace going to even understand the issues surrounding such questions?" CreationDate="2012-12-17T01:58:36.123" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7954" PostId="4028" Score="2" Text="@voretaq7 That's beta, so I don't officially notice it yet. Though it does show promise." CreationDate="2012-12-17T02:34:26.867" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7955" PostId="4028" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton You'd be very surprised. Questions about justifying resourcing increases, or policy-driven behavior, can be very generic." CreationDate="2012-12-17T02:35:58.663" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7956" PostId="4029" Score="3" Text="I... don't know... I can only assume because it was seen as a &quot;give me a list of programs so that I don't have to google it myself&quot; question... a quick edit should be able to fix that." CreationDate="2012-12-17T02:42:50.630" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7957" PostId="4029" Score="0" Text="Looks like as I was writing that the question has been re-opened" CreationDate="2012-12-17T02:48:07.380" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7958" PostId="4030" Score="3" Text="The question was closed by five high-rep users, no moderators were involved in the closing of that question. Perhaps some of those users who did will explain their close-votes." CreationDate="2012-12-17T18:39:37.547" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7959" PostId="4030" Score="0" Text="I just edited your question to something that I believe retains your question, and stays on topic for ServerFault. Check it out: http://serverfault.com/q/458163/9770" CreationDate="2012-12-17T19:25:14.143" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7960" PostId="4032" Score="2" Text="Yay. Go Wesley! Go Wesley! Go Wesley! Weeessslllyyyy! It fills my heart to see edits over closes, even if they do come the wrong way around." CreationDate="2012-12-17T19:56:58.787" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="7962" PostId="4032" Score="0" Text="Thank for you the very detailed response! I appreciate it, and thanks to this response I learned a lot about what is expected here on Server Fault. This in particular: &quot;plus I don't know how to get rsync working on Windows&quot; I wanted to respond to. It wasn't necessarily a matter of me learning how to do or not do something, as I am always interested in learning! I should have added more clarity to that statement, the real issue is that even if I learned how to use rsync, trying to communicate how to get that set up with an end user who does not speak english would be a difficult task." CreationDate="2012-12-17T22:33:57.427" UserId="107102" />
  <row Id="7963" PostId="4032" Score="0" Text="The end users are in this case non-technical, despite being in a professional environment. For example, I deal with customers every day in a professional setting that have no idea what rsync is, and have ZERO interest in learning. Ie, they want to stick with something they are familiar with, such as FTP, and will in fact get quite angry when another option is put forward. I'm sure you must have experienced similar things! :)" CreationDate="2012-12-17T22:36:51.150" UserId="107102" />
  <row Id="7964" PostId="4032" Score="0" Text="Finally, I like the edited question. I will refer back to this when asking future questions here. Thank you for your time and help!" CreationDate="2012-12-17T22:37:48.200" UserId="107102" />
  <row Id="7965" PostId="4032" Score="0" Text="One final clarification. I know in this instance I presented the scenario as &quot;friends overseas&quot;. I used that scenario because that was the one currently fresh in my mind, as they had contacted me quite recently. But this issue has indeed cropped up for me a number of times in a professional environment as well. I'm sure you have end users who use FTP." CreationDate="2012-12-17T22:40:10.007" UserId="107102" />
  <row Id="7966" PostId="4032" Score="1" Text="@catpants It all sounds good to me - just know that ServerFault can be touchy about certain things, plus I think at this point in history we're heading towards a showdown over topics like this to figure out if we should be more liberal." CreationDate="2012-12-18T00:38:58.153" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7973" PostId="4032" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid: Whatever happens people need to be consistent. Right now some people will edit &amp; reopen some questions with obvious home use and will inconsistently just vote-to-close similar ones like this." CreationDate="2012-12-19T08:10:27.840" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7995" PostId="4035" Score="1" Text="Given that our site is nothing whatsoever like the BBC I can't imagine why you even mentioned it. In our case the changes *are* inconsistent with the general appearance of the site and that never looks good." CreationDate="2012-12-21T01:32:56.323" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7967" PostId="4037" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarifications." CreationDate="2012-12-18T15:56:02.737" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="7969" PostId="4038" Score="6" Text="Sometimes, I wish." CreationDate="2012-12-18T21:16:59.207" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7968" PostId="4039" Score="2" Text="Interestingly the [FAQ](http://serverfault.com/faq#reputation) doesn't seem to cover this, but yes - No matter how much of a git someone is (even to the point of a moderator suspending them) an account will never have reputation less than 1." CreationDate="2012-12-18T21:01:39.490" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8005" PostId="4039" Score="1" Text="Considering that it takes five downvotes to counter the reputation effect of a single answer upvote, I'd figure that anyone at risk of negative rep most likely deserves it." CreationDate="2012-12-22T14:06:42.043" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="8052" PostId="4039" Score="0" Text="People with poor start can't even ask questions anymore and don't know enough to answer anything." CreationDate="2012-12-27T12:27:46.823" UserId="150703" />
  <row Id="8089" PostId="4039" Score="1" Text="@SharenEayrs: Everyone who is working as a professional sysadmin should have some skills which would allow them to answer some questions and get themselves out of a question ban." CreationDate="2012-12-28T09:12:16.877" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7970" PostId="4041" Score="6" Text="Close votes only begin expiring once the question has received 100 views." CreationDate="2012-12-18T23:25:29.690" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="7971" PostId="4041" Score="4" Text="Or, if sufficient people (including one moderator) cast Leave Open votes in the /review/close queue then a question is removed from the queue and votes start aging away immediately." CreationDate="2012-12-19T06:29:05.423" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7972" PostId="4042" Score="0" Text="As moderators, there really isn't much we can do. We can't invalidate close votes except by closing and reopening a question and that invalidates all votes not just the vote of the person who changed their mind. Even with only one vote, we wouldn't know (can't check) if the person requesting the vote be invalidated really had cast the vote or just disagreed with it and was being devious." CreationDate="2012-12-19T07:33:34.703" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7974" PostId="4044" Score="0" Text="This looks like the right one: http://serverfault.com/users/149600/jaiganesh" CreationDate="2012-12-19T11:50:45.230" UserId="26130" />
  <row Id="7975" PostId="4046" Score="0" Text="That's totally fine by me." CreationDate="2012-12-19T14:37:51.447" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="7976" PostId="4047" Score="4" Text="MDMarra called. He wants his MSPaint art back." CreationDate="2012-12-19T18:25:26.287" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="7977" PostId="4048" Score="1" Text="Somehow, I always thought that locking has just been done to prevent comments. So I was mistaken and it is just some sort of a mod-hammer?" CreationDate="2012-12-19T18:30:10.440" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="7978" PostId="4048" Score="1" Text="@syneticon-dj A lock is the tool of choice when things get out of hand (insane comments, edit wars, etc.) - in the hierarchy of hammers it's in between &quot;closed&quot; and &quot;deleted&quot;." CreationDate="2012-12-19T18:56:09.813" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7979" PostId="4048" Score="1" Text="@syneticon-dj I think you are thinking of &quot;Protected&quot; status." CreationDate="2012-12-19T19:21:30.790" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="7980" PostId="4048" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj There different flavors of locking. Some locks still allow you to vote, but not comment or answer. The Historical lock is the frozen-in-carbonite version." CreationDate="2012-12-20T02:24:18.170" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="7993" PostId="4048" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 ah, this explains some of my confusion, thanks." CreationDate="2012-12-20T18:04:43.380" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="7981" PostId="4051" Score="1" Text="I'm glad to see it reopened. This question got shut as OT on Stack overflow &amp; generated a meta thread there, so I invited the OP here to post it again, and I was surprised to see it closed here." CreationDate="2012-12-20T06:33:41.867" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="7982" PostId="4052" Score="2" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/112944/the-title-word-filter-is-one-of-the-worst-ideas-ever-implemented-on-so" CreationDate="2012-12-20T06:52:37.053" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7992" PostId="4052" Score="0" Text="@Iain: Thanks for the pointer" CreationDate="2012-12-20T17:06:10.213" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="7989" PostId="4055" Score="0" Text="http://serverfault.com/privileges/" CreationDate="2012-12-20T16:05:14.673" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="7991" PostId="4055" Score="3" Text="`I know I can always leave a comment, but I'm starting to dislike comments. They tend to take a less than courteous slope (moderators might recognize why I state that).` &lt;- Comments are still bound by [the etiquette rule](http://serverfault.com/faq#etiquette). If you see people violating that please flag the comments. I'm not aware of any big breaches of civility recently, but if I've missed them please feel free to stop by chat and point them out so I can smack the responsible person(s) around." CreationDate="2012-12-20T17:02:08.983" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="7994" PostId="4055" Score="1" Text="&quot;moderators might recognize why I state that&quot; - Is that from guilt?" CreationDate="2012-12-20T21:02:19.743" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7983" PostId="4056" Score="0" Text="Can you send me the link to that specific question? I'd like to see it in my browser. If it works I'll go sober out." CreationDate="2012-12-20T15:35:38.793" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="7984" PostId="4056" Score="0" Text="@alex Question is [here](http://serverfault.com/questions/459692/would-data-recovery-be-possible-after-acer-hidden-partition-reinstall). Click on the question's score to see the voting details." CreationDate="2012-12-20T15:36:39.127" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="7985" PostId="4056" Score="0" Text="Thank, you. I will do a little edit to my original question." CreationDate="2012-12-20T15:37:47.653" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="7986" PostId="4056" Score="2" Text="This is unlocked at a certain rep threshold. 2k or 3k, I think." CreationDate="2012-12-20T15:45:54.397" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7987" PostId="4056" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra http://meta.serverfault.com/a/4057/23067" CreationDate="2012-12-20T15:46:26.957" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="7988" PostId="4056" Score="0" Text="Aaaaand, he's past that threshold. I need to start paying attention" CreationDate="2012-12-20T15:48:39.727" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="7990" PostId="4056" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra...me too I need to pay more attention...I didn't even notice I could do that :S" CreationDate="2012-12-20T16:06:49.727" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="7996" PostId="4058" Score="1" Text="Okay, thank you very much. Where do you think I could take it to?" CreationDate="2012-12-21T01:36:35.803" UserId="150106" />
  <row Id="7997" PostId="4058" Score="0" Text="I really don't know. There was a proposal for a Stack Exchange site devoted to telephony recently but, oddly enough, it got killed off as a duplicate of SF (which it certainly wasn't). I believe your question would have been a great fit there." CreationDate="2012-12-21T01:43:40.703" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="7998" PostId="4058" Score="0" Text="Just a small side question: Do you think the question is not appropriate because of the definition of this site? (impartially applying the rules) or because you think it is not in the general spirit of this site." CreationDate="2012-12-21T02:03:18.593" UserId="150106" />
  <row Id="7999" PostId="4058" Score="0" Text="A bit of both really. The way I see it there are two key points. 1- It's not a question that requires an answer that is much more involved than what we normally have (although there are some legendary exceptions). 2 - It's a topic that doesn't really fit the SF profile. i.e. It's not about the topics covered by what we define as an IT professional. That definition is pretty important because without it SF would become as sloppy and ill-defined as Stack Overflow, which would make it pretty well worthless for those it was intended for." CreationDate="2012-12-21T02:09:07.273" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8000" PostId="4058" Score="0" Text="Well, actually, this is not in my opinion a telephony question, but a programming one. The ultimate question is actually &quot;how can I improve communications performance for smartphone applications over 3G?&quot;, but not only that's an incredibly broad question, but also too much &quot;do my homework&quot;. So I thought that a good starting point would be to learn more about the 3G network stack, and asked this question at SO, where it got closed. So I came here. I think SF is not only the most likely place to get an answer, but also where people interested in this question are. (reflected by the upvotes)" CreationDate="2012-12-21T02:24:32.303" UserId="150106" />
  <row Id="8001" PostId="4060" Score="0" Text="Hmmmm....I did ... however I don't recall any of the SE things doing this before." CreationDate="2012-12-21T17:12:43.603" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="8014" PostId="4060" Score="0" Text="@mdpc The Active tab displays the user who is responsible for the most recent activity on the question, just like on the front page." CreationDate="2012-12-23T03:33:25.340" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8002" PostId="4061" Score="5" Text="Doesn't this kind of fit the bill http://serverfault.com/questions/218005/how-do-i-deal-with-a-compromised-server ?" CreationDate="2012-12-21T22:20:10.240" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8003" PostId="4062" Score="4" Text="I would consider a workstation infected by a virus to be equivalent to a compromised server. That said, I'm not opposed to re-titling the question again (&quot;How do I deal with a compromised system?&quot;) if it might not be obvious enough..." CreationDate="2012-12-22T05:05:42.323" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8009" PostId="4065" Score="1" Text="One of the bad things about the heuristic based autoban system is that mods have no visibility into it. I can't see if someone is banned, nor can I reverse it." CreationDate="2012-12-22T19:52:31.890" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8010" PostId="4065" Score="0" Text="I can't see why the OP would be Q banned either." CreationDate="2012-12-22T21:51:55.687" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10086" PostId="4065" Score="0" Text="It's not a democracy; in this respect it's an oligarchy (well, you could argue it's a meritocracy I suppose). Only a small fraction of users can vote to close questions." CreationDate="2013-04-14T20:17:22.990" UserId="113898" />
  <row Id="10087" PostId="4065" Score="0" Text="@einpkklum, I'm sorry but you're being offensive, you need to EARN 3000 reputation to be able to vote to close, there are over 3,500 users who can do so out of an active, repeated-use community of around 12,000 - so that's hardly a tiny minority - but everyone who CAN vote has put time and effort into this site and importantly understand what it's for and how it works. Any other opinion you may have is wrong." CreationDate="2013-04-14T21:43:29.853" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="8006" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="For me the first one is very poor NARQ almost, without knowing how people voted the OT could be because 2 people voted that and the others each voted for something different. The second I don't understand why or why the comment either." CreationDate="2012-12-22T19:14:32.033" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8007" PostId="4066" Score="3" Text="As relatively new person here I'm amazed at how many questions get closed that may admittedly need work but are valid questions to me." CreationDate="2012-12-22T19:19:51.553" UserId="144990" />
  <row Id="8008" PostId="4066" Score="1" Text="But you were one of the five to vote to close the first question?" CreationDate="2012-12-22T19:29:51.770" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8011" PostId="4066" Score="3" Text="*I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply doesn't work.*" CreationDate="2012-12-22T22:00:06.813" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="8012" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="Yes, close as NARQ. It is NOT off-topic." CreationDate="2012-12-22T22:40:40.463" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="8013" PostId="4066" Score="1" Text="@DennisKaarsemaker Many questions *could* be saved by editing or commenting, but those take more time than voting." CreationDate="2012-12-23T02:48:06.027" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="8015" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="In the case of the first Q you mentioned, I voted to migrate to Unix &amp; Linux." CreationDate="2012-12-23T03:53:02.617" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8016" PostId="4066" Score="4" Text="@EEAA Yeah, it's on-topic there, but certainly on-topic here as that's a sysadmin task. I think we're being WAY too aggressive about what's supposedly on-topic for SF, and we shouldn't be migrating questions elsewhere simply because they happen to be on-topic there too." CreationDate="2012-12-23T05:05:40.710" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="8017" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="What's the point of having all of these seperate SEs if there is no real separation in the content?  Some things are better asked on the appropriate SE group.  We have overlapping Ubuntu, Superuser, StackOverflow, and Unix groups shouldn't ServerFault SE be looking at professional System Administration and networking questions and sending things applying to the other groups there?" CreationDate="2012-12-23T06:12:25.730" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="8018" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="As for the redirection comment to the askubuntu SE comment, the problem the question started with was that UNDER ubuntu and after adding X something stopped working...why is the ubuntu SE a less better place?" CreationDate="2012-12-23T06:20:01.117" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="8019" PostId="4066" Score="4" Text="@DennisKaarsemaker The Powers That Be (&quot;People *not me*&quot;) have decreed that &quot;close votes are not supposed to be a death sentence&quot; -- the cycle is supposed to be close, improve, reopen.  Of course nothing stops you from fixing a question while it's still open, but if you see a closed question that would be OK with a little work and you have the time by all means edit it and  vote to reopen. If you lack the rep to vote to reopen drop the question here, in chat, or flag it for attention after fixing it up." CreationDate="2012-12-23T07:13:39.813" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8051" PostId="4066" Score="2" Text="I think we need to have an announcement similar to Gaming's &quot;A Close Vote is not a Super-Downvote. Please don't use it as one&quot; http://meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/5498/a-close-vote-is-not-a-super-downvote-please-dont-use-it-as-one" CreationDate="2012-12-27T05:28:17.947" UserId="45705" />
  <row Id="8253" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="Could you dupe at overflow?  I've been closed into submission and am too afraid to speak out." CreationDate="2013-01-03T00:54:24.520" UserDisplayName="user144330" />
  <row Id="8501" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="I was just about to open a meta question regarding this, as I'm getting tired of seeing an increasing number of over zealous 'Off Topic' close votes. For example [this question](http://serverfault.com/questions/472812/how-to-install-admin-tools-on-windows-7-and-windows-xp-workstations-via-powershe) is a perfectly good question for SF IMHO. I'd love to hear from the [5 users](http://serverfault.com/posts/472812/revisions) that voted to close this particular one." CreationDate="2013-01-28T20:40:35.143" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="8504" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="You will note, that it has already been re-opened by folks who understand the nature of the question a little better." CreationDate="2013-01-29T00:41:34.793" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="8783" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="[Yet another](http://serverfault.com/questions/484708/how-to-use-dnsmasq-with-dhcp-assigned-dns-servers) being needlessly shot down for no apparent reason, unless I'm missing something." CreationDate="2013-03-05T17:19:25.420" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="8020" PostId="4070" Score="4" Text="+1 for the &quot;Leave a comment when voting to close&quot;. Right now I see a lot of questions closed without a single bit of feedback." CreationDate="2012-12-23T09:21:45.237" UserId="144990" />
  <row Id="8021" PostId="4070" Score="0" Text="@DennisKaarsemaker people aren't *required* to leave feedback and that's intentional, so while we can wish that people give feedback we can't require it. I suspect that people don't leave feedback when the asker hasn't apparently invested much effort into asking the question in the first place." CreationDate="2012-12-23T14:34:05.740" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8022" PostId="4070" Score="1" Text="FAQ reads to me like shopping questions are off topic (along with home settings, career advice, licensing, etc, etc.), so that's the VTC reason I pick for those categories, for whatever difference it makes." CreationDate="2012-12-23T18:15:09.103" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="8023" PostId="4070" Score="2" Text="@HopelessN00b Shopping questions are unwanted because they're &quot;Not Constructive,&quot; so that's the preferred close reason for those." CreationDate="2012-12-23T18:56:40.320" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="8048" PostId="4070" Score="0" Text="In the vast majority of cases when questions are closed the only comment worth posting is &quot;read the FAQ&quot; but since the powers that be have decided we shouldn't do that I don't feel any need to leave a comment. On those occasions where I have left a comment I often get somebody arguing with me about it." CreationDate="2012-12-25T23:00:17.170" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8037" PostId="4074" Score="4" Text="In addition to Iain's answer, up and down votes are equal. An upvote from a high rep user or from someone who joined the site half an hour ago are both worth the same. All that high-rep users and moderators can do in addition to voting is vote to close questions, which isn't really the same thing." CreationDate="2012-12-24T14:22:57.487" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8038" PostId="4075" Score="2" Text="One other (minor) exception: Close votes that were cast through the review system can be viewed on a user's profile." CreationDate="2012-12-24T17:33:08.420" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="8046" PostId="4075" Score="2" Text="Delete votes are also not exactly anonymous... Though few can see who cast them." CreationDate="2012-12-25T07:02:16.367" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8040" PostId="4076" Score="3" Text="I think the right close reason for shopping is Not Constructive - the close text for it makes a lot more sense on a shopping question than the Off Topic close text." CreationDate="2012-12-24T22:26:08.577" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="8041" PostId="4076" Score="0" Text="As shopping questions are explicitly off topic it makes sense to me to vote them as such, regardless of the text accompanying the reason. Either way, they get closed, which is the key point being discussed here." CreationDate="2012-12-24T22:53:19.527" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8042" PostId="4076" Score="2" Text="I don't think it is.. Adrain's not disagreeing that shopping questions should be closed, he's saying that Off Topic is the wrong close reason to use for them. - &quot;Both should've been closed as NC for Shopping, not merely Off-Topic as that gives the impression that ALL questions about those topics are not welcome here.&quot;" CreationDate="2012-12-24T22:55:17.440" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="8043" PostId="4076" Score="0" Text="That very issue merely highlights what I said about his need to read more carefully. If people misinterpret the votes then it merely highlights the fact that they have not properly acquainted themselves with how the site works." CreationDate="2012-12-24T22:59:12.047" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8044" PostId="4076" Score="0" Text="So workstations aren't on-topic here, eh? &quot;Server and Business Workstation operating systems, hardware, software and virtualization&quot; notwithstanding, clearly. Maybe you need to read the FAQ as well." CreationDate="2012-12-24T23:18:56.307" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="8045" PostId="4076" Score="0" Text="Now read the rest. Once again, you're completely ignoring context. You really do have a problem with that." CreationDate="2012-12-25T01:50:01.063" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8047" PostId="4076" Score="1" Text="@ShaneMadden I usually VTC shopping questions as OT with a comment that shopping questions are off topic. That seems to address both criteria, and seems fine to me." CreationDate="2012-12-25T12:41:45.660" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8067" PostId="4077" Score="0" Text="I can see how this question would be considered off-topic :)" CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:39:54.843" UserId="31454" />
  <row Id="8077" PostId="4077" Score="0" Text="It's off topic because its a general Stack Exchange functionality issue, not something specific to Server Fault. You need to look at meta.stackoverflow.com to see if anything like this has been suggested for the *family* of sites we're a member of, and if not it might be worth posting there." CreationDate="2012-12-27T17:19:11.380" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8078" PostId="4077" Score="2" Text="@RobM The reason he posted this (and the since-deleted) follow up is because he's actually banned from asking questions on meta stackoverflow. In that light, it seems like he was just trying to ruffle some feathers rather than be productive :)" CreationDate="2012-12-27T17:48:46.293" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11836" PostId="4077" Score="0" Text="How can this meta discussion , on the meta site, be closed? What the heck is going on with closing threads on the meta site?" CreationDate="2013-10-16T16:18:28.537" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11838" PostId="4077" Score="0" Text="@samsmith It could not be migrated because the person was question banned from mSO. Thus it shows as off-topic." CreationDate="2013-10-16T16:38:04.933" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11841" PostId="4077" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton OK. It just seems odd that a pure meta thread that is clearly useful (look at all the engagement) is closed at all." CreationDate="2013-10-16T16:43:41.503" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="8054" PostId="4078" Score="0" Text="I'm not saying that I need to see that there are 3 votes to know it needs to be migrated. I'm saying the opposite. If a question has three votes to migrate somewhere and it's **bad**, then the other two close votes don't matter. They can be for any other closure reason and the question will still be migrated 3/5 is all it takes. Seeing that 3 people have voted to migrate a **bad** question that doesn't deserve migration, I can flag for a mod to unilaterally close it, negating the migration, instead of casting a 5th close vote myself that would send trash to another site." CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:09:27.943" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8055" PostId="4078" Score="0" Text="**1)** Your argument is predicated on a context in which there are copious close votes, which is primarily due to problem I've outlined in my OP. **2)** You're literally saying that you base your votes on others' votes, while saying you `don't need to...`. Regardless of whether your motivations are with or against the grain, if they're influenced by others' votes in any way, they're no longer objective. This isn't a hard concept to grasp, and the symptoms of the problem I've outlined give a pretty ominous look into the future of the community, if you look at all the &quot;why closed&quot; questions." CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:22:07.720" UserId="31454" />
  <row Id="8056" PostId="4078" Score="0" Text="@orokusaki Why is objectivity important? I thought the point of a community was to influence, and be influenced, by others - to share and learn." CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:26:25.833" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8057" PostId="4078" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS - how does objectivity preclude influence? And, how does mob mentality provide meaningful influence? Those are two real questions..." CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:27:15.850" UserId="31454" />
  <row Id="8058" PostId="4078" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure that you're understanding what I'm saying. There has been a concerted effort from all SE sites to cut down on bad migrations. Being able to see migration votes and use a flag to help avoid an erroneous migration is a **good** thing. Also, Stack Exchange clearly wants *a lot* of eyes on anything with a close vote, a delete vote, or that's extremely upvoted or downvoted. That's why there are 10k tools that show **all** of these things to high rep users. There is also a [review queue](http://serverfault.com/review) that shows questions of low quality, first posts, close votes, etc." CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:27:21.557" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8059" PostId="4078" Score="0" Text="There are not a lot of active users with close/delete privs in relation to the number of overall users. Bringing anything controversial or potentially off-topic to those people is a *good* thing. No vote is binding. If you feel that something was closed in error, just flag it with a short description of why you think it was an error. Mistakes happen, but if you saw the average quality of question that gets closed on a given day, I think you might have a different opinion :)" CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:29:04.930" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8060" PostId="4078" Score="0" Text="@orokusaki Those questions can be asked on [philosophy.se]. We only deal with &quot;practical questions based in empirical fact&quot;... at least we try to stick to that." CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:31:56.887" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8061" PostId="4078" Score="0" Text="Actually, simply asserting that something is a &quot;good thing&quot; over and over is pretty much the opposite of objectivity (see argumentum ad infinitum), doesn't prove a point, and closes the discussion to meaningful debate." CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:32:21.453" UserId="31454" />
  <row Id="8062" PostId="4078" Score="0" Text="@orokusaki Like I said in my answer. This really doesn't even belong on this meta. Ask on meta.stackoverflow. Employees and Community Managers will see it there. This meta is only for issues specific to Server Fault. What you're talking about is a change that would be made across the entire SE network. Even if a large number of people agreed with you here, there's nothing we can do about it." CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:34:10.787" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8063" PostId="4078" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS - I'm pretty sure you just lectured me about how being objective isn't necessary, and then subsequently lectured me about being practical and empirical... which is based purely on objectivity, ironically. Unless you're paying homage to Rene Descartes, et al (subjective nature of experience). In other words, if you're going to try to insult somebody, it's good to educate yourself on the pulpit whence you're intending to insult them." CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:35:10.100" UserId="31454" />
  <row Id="8064" PostId="4078" Score="1" Text="Stack Exchange has made it very clear that they like a lot of eyes on anything potentially controversial. This includes things that accumulate close votes. That's why anything edited is automatically bumped to the top, for example. That way, people will look at it and see if the edit was malicious or incorrect. It's how they built such a large self-governing network. If you have a philosophical disagreement with it, you'll have to post about it somewhere that they will see it, which isn't here." CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:35:35.250" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8068" PostId="4078" Score="0" Text="So, let me see if I understand. If a question is worthy of answering, it can simultaneously be worthy of closing, by the same person?" CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:41:34.097" UserId="31454" />
  <row Id="8069" PostId="4078" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure how you got that from what I said, but sometimes I will answer an off-topic question if it's easy to throw the OP a bone while also closing it so that future visitors don't use it as an example of an acceptable question (and yes, this happens all the time)" CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:47:04.070" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8070" PostId="4078" Score="0" Text="@orokusaki  Yeah.  It can also be worthy of answering, but devolve into something worthy of closing instead, 12 comments later..." CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:48:00.220" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="8071" PostId="4078" Score="2" Text="Oh, I see you're talking specifically about this question. I voted to close it and flagged it to be moved to mSO where it can be properly addressed (Like I mentioned at least three other times). My answer would move with it when it was migrated. Turns out Chris didn't think it deserved to be migrated. Really though, if this bothers you that much, ask it there. This is like having an issue with a federal tax law and bringing it up at a school board meeting. People can discuss it with you, but there's no one in attendance that can actually resolve your issue." CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:50:53.597" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8072" PostId="4078" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b - Can you help me to understand how a question can &quot;devolve&quot; (which actually means to delegate, btw - I think you meant, &quot;de-evolve&quot;) without actually being modified in any way. In other words, how can my unedited question become less valuable over the course of one hour?" CreationDate="2012-12-27T15:51:05.437" UserId="31454" />
  <row Id="8079" PostId="4080" Score="1" Text="I believe that any closed question that is not automagically deleted by the StackExchange system needs to remain in its ignoble state as a documented warning for future contributors. Something like staking the heads of our victims outside the castle gates. Abandon all hope..." CreationDate="2012-12-27T23:00:32.090" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="8080" PostId="4080" Score="1" Text="Good theory but there's no evidence to suggest that it's working" CreationDate="2012-12-28T01:41:34.283" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8088" PostId="4080" Score="2" Text="@WesleyDavid: The reverse happens - people use them as support for posting their own questions many new people (and some longer term contributors) don't understand what closed means." CreationDate="2012-12-28T08:27:38.020" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8082" PostId="4081" Score="0" Text="Every time I've flagged a post for being particularly bad, especially those which encourage illegal or immoral activity, that flag has been declined, so there's precious little incentive to do so again. It's unfortunate that we can't see who declines flags, as I have often suspected that it's not one of our elected mods. The automatic deletion is effectively disabled when people who cast close votes also answer the question (I'm guilty of that too) and  get upvotes for it. Overall, very little gets deleted." CreationDate="2012-12-28T01:51:07.717" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8084" PostId="4081" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers You have had 5 Flags declined. **All** were on Answers. **All** of your flags on Questions have been marked helpful. To be fair, there are over 250 helpful flags, I didn't check how many were on Questions or what the outcomes of the flags actually were." CreationDate="2012-12-28T02:30:24.930" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8081" PostId="4082" Score="0" Text="The side effect of your logic, which I agree with, is that it does just what I'd like to prevent. i.e. It encourages others to post the same crap. So although we may never get a delete queue there's nothing stopping us from doing it manually." CreationDate="2012-12-28T01:44:03.063" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8083" PostId="4082" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers  I tried to prod people to go use up their delete votes in chat a little while back, but got no traction, so... well, whatcha gonna do?  I'll throw mine on whenever I see a deserving target, but with them expiring after 4 days or whatever, it doesn't do any good without at least 3 people diligently monitoring the delete tools." CreationDate="2012-12-28T02:01:29.890" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="8087" PostId="4082" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b: Delete votes for people with &gt;20k don't expire." CreationDate="2012-12-28T08:25:23.730" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8086" PostId="4083" Score="0" Text="Only _you_ can get your ban removed and you have been provided with information on how to go about doing this already http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3930/how-can-i-remove-my-ban-on-asking-questions." CreationDate="2012-12-28T08:22:30.550" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8085" PostId="4084" Score="1" Text="The heuristics behind the bans are not known outside of SE." CreationDate="2012-12-28T08:21:10.067" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8094" PostId="4087" Score="0" Text="No ♦ moderators were involved in closing your question." CreationDate="2012-12-29T18:19:41.463" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8103" PostId="4087" Score="0" Text="Then something is broken because it should not have been closed. And, if no moderators closed the question it should not have been used to justify welcoming me by being banned from posting. I post something that clearly fits within the FAQ. No moderators are involved in closing it.  I am banned from posting. The algorithm is broken." CreationDate="2012-12-29T19:31:05.590" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8105" PostId="4087" Score="0" Text="Nothing is broken. Members of the community with [&gt;3000 reputation](http://serverfault.com/privileges) have the privileges that allows them to vote to close, 5 such members exercised that privilege and  closed your question Off Topic." CreationDate="2012-12-29T20:04:59.113" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8108" PostId="4087" Score="0" Text="Good-enough. Done." CreationDate="2012-12-29T20:42:48.533" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8110" PostId="4087" Score="1" Text="As I commented below, this is not about elitism or any other such nonsense. It's about doing systems administration the **right way**, which doesn't include *AMP installers. There is certainly no disdain for the LAMP technologies themselves, but rather the manner in which they are deployed (outside of a standard package updating system) and configured (very insecure) using these one-click installers." CreationDate="2012-12-29T20:47:15.667" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8116" PostId="4087" Score="1" Text="NO SIR. IT ABSOLUTELY IS ABOUT ELITISM. The FAQ does not say anything about the manner in which tools are deployed being a reason for a question NOT belonging in this list. Are you people reading what you are saying? You don't like *AMP packages and that is the only reason these questions are being bounced back and forth between SO, SF and SU mercilessly. To boot, there seems to be some contempt for the SO folks sending questions to SF. Barring anything else the FAQ provides the definition for this community and it does NOT, in any imaginable way exclude *AMP and other techs being down-modded" CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:15:29.433" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8119" PostId="4087" Score="2" Text="Cripes. I use MAMP extensively, and I'm sure others here do the same. XAMPP/MAMP/etc. are **fine** tools. To be used in development. They fit into the same class of applications as Eclipse or Visual Studio - they are developer tools and as such are off-topic here. Regarding SO, as mentioned elsewhere, they have a long history of migrating questions to SF that are off-topic here. In spite of many MSO discussions on the topic, they were still unable to grasp the topicality of SF, which is why the SO-&gt;SF migration path was removed." CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:25:00.333" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8123" PostId="4087" Score="2" Text="&quot;they were still unable to grasp the topicality of SF&quot;. Probably because it isn't at all very clear and it leads to discussions such as this one. Don't fault them. Fault SF for not have really clear guidelines. Why does the XAMPP tag even exist if it is off-topic here? Remove it. Remove all the questions and answers on those topics." CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:40:37.340" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8124" PostId="4087" Score="0" Text="I came across this, which is brilliant in many ways: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/23/scope-of-questions-for-serverfault/25#25 That seems to refer to an older version of the FAQ, which, in many ways, seems to have had clearer wording. If Jeff Atwood is referring to the FAQ I think it might have a little bit of weight. I really think you need to work hard at creating a solid definition of what SF is and is not. Then mercilessly remove tags (such as XAMPP) that are off topic and you'll have the community you want and visitors will have no doubt what it is about. Not the case today." CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:44:37.153" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8125" PostId="4087" Score="0" Text="@martin's - there are very rare occasions where, say, an XAMPP tag would be on-topic, say if a windows admin was trying to figure out how to automatically deploy XAMPP to his software developers." CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:44:46.637" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8127" PostId="4087" Score="2" Text="@martin's - you'll notice that the post you refer to is from 2009. That's an eternity in the life of an online community. Over time, it became clear that the '09 version of the FAQ was not adequate, and that we needed to clarify things. This led to several rounds of FAQ re-writing by the community. If you have suggestions on how the FAQ can be improved, we're all ears." CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:48:28.140" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8137" PostId="4087" Score="0" Text="Sure. I'd start with: SF is about Production Server software and Hardware and the Professionals who install, support and administer it. Such an opener in the FAQ would even prevent SF and other sites from migrating questions to SF.  It defines the environment very tightly. Note that I don't and wouldn't have a problem with *AMP questions being closed summarily if SF was defined this way. How would I?  Today, it is not.  And, today, it is wrong to reject *AMP questions wholesale." CreationDate="2012-12-29T22:07:47.153" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8138" PostId="4087" Score="1" Text="To dig a little further. If you took my question and removed XAMPP from the equation, what was it about?  It was about one machine, running Apache and several Virtual Hosts needing to be visible from a whole pile of other machines inside a private network without an internal DNS server.  Really, that's what the question was about. Forget that XAMPP was used to install Apache. Get my point? The issue had to do with how to, under those conditions, setup firewalls and hosts files. Remove XAMPP and the associated stigma from the equation and you should see that this was definitely on-topic." CreationDate="2012-12-29T22:10:36.013" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8246" PostId="4087" Score="1" Text="@martin's it is up to you to remove the emphasis on XAMPP. The whole &quot;professional capacity&quot; thing is about being at the same technical level. If a developer has badly screwed up his configuration, does not know how to configure DNS for his web hosting and has trouble determining if Windows Firewall is blocking traffic, then the gap is just too wide to allow for a single, concise answer. And if it is, the question does not belong to this Q&amp;A site. Of course, if you are the aforementioned developer, you would not know. But this is where the community tells you by casting close votes." CreationDate="2013-01-02T13:01:02.837" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8098" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="I strongly disagree with you. This is your chosen interpretation of &quot;in a professional capacity&quot;.  There's a vast stretch between those words and &quot;In production, supporting the service's normal production workload.&quot;  If you want SF to be about that, please lobby for a change in the FAQ. Until then, you don't get to substitute your sense of reality for what you imagine the FAQ needs to say." CreationDate="2012-12-29T19:13:41.833" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8099" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="Just picked up another nuance: &quot;our collective dislike of *AMP installers&quot;.  So, SF is about what you like?  If people use tools you don't like professionally these tools don't belong in SF?  Please update the FAQ to reflect that as well. SF questions have to be about tools the moderators like." CreationDate="2012-12-29T19:16:24.593" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8107" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="@martin's: Again, it's not really what the moderators 'like' it's what the community decides http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2809/voting-on-the-faq-rewrite http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2831/faq-rewrite-edit-round-1 http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2894/voting-on-the-faq-rewrite-round-2 http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2945/faq-rewrite-round-3 - community rules." CreationDate="2012-12-29T20:22:36.227" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8109" PostId="4088" Score="2" Text="@martin's - in a way, yes, it is about what SF *likes*, in that we have a strong *like* of doing things the right way (where *right* includes things like security, patching, maintainability, traceability, etc.). One-click LAMP installers are surely nice as a developer's tool (which is their stated goal), but using them in production is most definitely not the *right* way to do things." CreationDate="2012-12-29T20:42:48.800" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8128" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="Who the heck is talking about using them for production.  My question and a myriad of other questions on the subject have nothing  whatsoever to do with using them on production. Is SF ONLY about software used on live production systems? If so, update the FAQ.  That would pretty much define it, wouldn't it?  Until then you can't exclude *AMPP juse 'cause in the elite world of live production server folk it is considered trash. It is a legitimate question about using a server tool (Apache) in the context of a professional networked environment.  Anyhow, I'm done.  I have work to do." CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:49:51.413" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8095" PostId="4089" Score="0" Text="I'd be more than happy to migrate these questions, but SO has a disturbing tendency to reject them. I haven't yet figured out why, since they're pretty obviously on topic there." CreationDate="2012-12-29T18:32:41.353" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8096" PostId="4089" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton StackOverflow was cut off from migrating stuff to us since they have no understanding of how we define &quot;...in a professional capacity&quot;. As far as they're concerned, these questions are below the threshold of topicality for SO and *squarely* in our's. This is why we send them to U&amp;L or SU when we decide to send things." CreationDate="2012-12-29T18:35:08.117" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8097" PostId="4089" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 Hm, I just did a few searches on mSO but couldn't find any discussion of this specific issue. Perhaps it's time to bring it up?" CreationDate="2012-12-29T18:43:44.037" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8100" PostId="4089" Score="1" Text="Nice one. So these questions are bounced back and forth between SO, SF and SU and nobody wants them.  They certainly don't belong in SU. Read the FAQ.  They probably don't belong in SF either.  Read the FAQ there.  They squarely belong in SF.  They are server questions." CreationDate="2012-12-29T19:21:57.807" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8101" PostId="4089" Score="1" Text="Just because moderators look down upon the stack and don't like it (as @sysadmin1138 revealed in his own answer) it doesn't mean that they don't belong here. The SF FAQ does not say that SF is for enterprise-class technologies.  Not by any stretch of the imagination.  It sure feels like you guys (moderators) are injecting your own bias into this and you are damaging SF in the process. I founded three companies, manage a bunch of developers, have over two dozen workstations and, yes, about eight &quot;real&quot; servers and yes, we use XAMPP for internal testing and development all over the place." CreationDate="2012-12-29T19:23:45.513" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8102" PostId="4089" Score="0" Text="Being that there are so many closed XAMPP/etc. questions on SF, either re-open them or make it clear that these questions do not belong here.  How? Delete them. Remove the relevant tags. Update the FAQ to explicitly exclude that set of questions. Why am I worked-up about this? Because I got banned from posting for exactly that very-much-on-topic question and, in principle, it really bugs the hell out of me because the root cause of the closing of these questions is nothing short of elitism. The FAQ does not support the idea of rejecting content because the moderators don't like the tools." CreationDate="2012-12-29T19:28:42.347" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8104" PostId="4089" Score="0" Text="&quot;Furthermore, you particular installation is on Windows Vista which is a client OS which is not an enironment we support as a server.&quot;  That's brilliant.  So, when I run, say, CentOS (or take your pick) inside a virtual machine running on, say 64 bit Vista, that is not &quot;supported&quot; here? That's nonsense. Again, is SF only about tools and software the moderators have blessed? It's OK if that is the case. Just please update the FAQ to reflect it so otherwise-intelligent people will leave you alone." CreationDate="2012-12-29T19:38:15.077" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8106" PostId="4089" Score="2" Text="@martin's: It's not nonsense - it's just not what we support." CreationDate="2012-12-29T20:05:34.870" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8111" PostId="4089" Score="4" Text="@martin's You're laboring under a misconception that tripped us up. The FAQ is merely the welcome pamphlet we pass new people, it isn't the definitional document that sets in stone what's topical; that's according to StackExchange staff. We keep the definitional stuff in here: [meta-tag:faq]." CreationDate="2012-12-29T20:51:04.047" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8126" PostId="4089" Score="1" Text="This guy seems to think the FAQ is important: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/23/scope-of-questions-for-serverfault/25#25 and, funny enough, according to his not *AMPP questions ARE on-topic. Anyhow, I'm done. You can have your little club back. Continue as you were." CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:46:03.520" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8130" PostId="4089" Score="2" Text="@martin's - you're taking things completely out of context. Please read my comments about XAMPP being developer tools. If you have something constructive to add here, please do so, we'd love to hear it." CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:53:09.077" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8113" PostId="4090" Score="2" Text="Please, take a deep breath and wait a second before throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Nothing was done that was in violation of anything in the FAQ. You did the right thing in bringing your concerns to meta.SF. You may not agree with the way things are done here, but by participating in the discussion, you can perhaps help us understand your use case, as well as coming to understand why questions about XAMPP tend to get closed." CreationDate="2012-12-29T20:57:53.903" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8114" PostId="4090" Score="0" Text="Also, I should note that your posts won't be deleted if you delete your account. They'll just become somewhat anonymous." CreationDate="2012-12-29T20:59:25.730" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8131" PostId="4090" Score="0" Text="@EEAA Scenario: You are working your tail off to resolve a server problem. Yes, Apache, last time I looked, is server software. You have two dozen workstations that need to connect to this service. You dig far and deep. Ten hours later you decide that a little outside help might be in order. Sometimes the answer is right there in front of you but you just can't see it. Some of us just have too muchon our plates. You post a legitimate server and networking question on SF. It's closed even though it fits the FAQ." CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:55:09.010" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8132" PostId="4090" Score="0" Text="@EEAA The part that I neglected to mention is that, in my case at least, I spent several additional hours working on the problem.  I didn't wait for a magical SF answer. When I did fix the problem I came back to SF and posted the solution. One that, based on my research, would benefit many. Shortly after that the question was closed." CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:57:38.790" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8133" PostId="4090" Score="2" Text="Except as delivered in XAMPP, it's a developer's tool. XAMPP is not meant to be used in any capacity other than that. Therein lies the misunderstanding. It is not difficult to deploy a simple, updatable, secure LAMP stack. Steps for doing so are well-documented elsewhere." CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:58:05.010" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8134" PostId="4090" Score="0" Text="@EEAA It is obvious we will not agree on this particular point. I see nothing that indicates that *AMPP does not fall under SF other than what I am choosing to call elitist selection. It's funny, it seems that *AMPP questions have no place in the SE communities. SO an SU FAQ's exclude them and SF folks don't want them. Funny. The reaonsit bothers me so much is that in trying to solve my problem I came across lots of people with similar issues and bad answers. I posted a good answer, one that took probably twenty of effort and the result is a closed answer. I don't understand it." CreationDate="2012-12-29T22:00:55.547" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8135" PostId="4090" Score="1" Text="@martin's - please see this direct quote from the XAMPP site: (emphasis mine) &quot;The philosophy behind XAMPP is to build an easy to install distribution **for developers** to get into the world of Apache. To make it convenient for developers XAMPP is configured with all features turned on.&quot; We appreciate your helpful Q&amp;A, and to be honest, it's a shame that you deleted your answer. That said, there is a *ton* of &quot;helpful&quot; information out there that, in spite of its helpfulness, is still off-topic." CreationDate="2012-12-29T22:03:29.103" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8136" PostId="4090" Score="0" Text="@martin's - I'm not sure why you keep ignoring my points about XAMPP being off-topic to to it being a developer tool. I've mentioned it several times and you haven't responded to this point, so I'm starting to think you're just avoiding it." CreationDate="2012-12-29T22:06:09.090" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8142" PostId="4090" Score="0" Text="@eeaa Sorry, I thought I did. This is a matter of semantics. Take my question and remove XAMPP as the context.  What do you have left: Running Apache on an machine serving a bunch of sites via virtual hosts. The question was squarely about setting up Apache and the machines in the internal network. It had to do with httpd.conf and host and how to deal with this within a closed network without an internal DNS server. We can focus all you want on the packaged one-click install but that does not negate that the core of my question was about Apache and networking in a pro environment." CreationDate="2012-12-29T22:20:46.993" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8143" PostId="4090" Score="4" Text="Troll alert everyone" CreationDate="2012-12-29T22:21:37.010" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="8146" PostId="4090" Score="0" Text="@EEAA With regards to deleting my answer. SF can't both not like my question and then derive benefit from the work that went into finding an answer. That would not be right. Perhaps this should be a rule across SE: If a question is closed all answers and comments are removed. That would add some weight to closing questions and would be fair on other fronts as well." CreationDate="2012-12-29T22:23:17.337" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8147" PostId="4090" Score="3" Text="@martin's: As I said earlier SO's faq explicitly includes developer tools, *AMP questions are developer tools, *AMP is on topic for SO." CreationDate="2012-12-29T22:23:30.207" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8115" PostId="4091" Score="0" Text="Don't have the &quot;delete&quot; option. I am not going to waste my time with the form. Instead, I'll stay and leave this here in Meta for others to see in case they want to do the same.  I'll let my account stagnate and let &quot;nature&quot; take its course per the stagnant account policy.  Have a great time boys and girls!" CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:10:29.980" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8117" PostId="4092" Score="2" Text="I wish there were an easy way to do this, but even with a long-form FAQ, how many people would actually read it? We have a hard enough time getting people to read the short FAQ. Perhaps we just need to make sure the link to tagged/faq is displayed prominently for those who need further clarification on question topicality." CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:18:40.703" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8120" PostId="4092" Score="0" Text="@EEAA The point of a long-form is to have a second link in the &quot;Read the [FAQ](http://serverfault.com/faq)&quot; comments we throw around like seed-corn." CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:27:25.910" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8122" PostId="4092" Score="4" Text="Makes sense, and I'm for it. I guess I'm just cynical about how many people will actually read it." CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:28:47.233" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8158" PostId="4092" Score="5" Text="I haven't read all of the post you linked (first time I'm seeing it) or all of the Answers to this post (you people have way too much time on your hands to write so much). We get developers and others through here all the time trying to goad us into Answering their inane questions by accusing us of elitism, being a closed-community, or trying reverse psychology. I'm not sure why this deserves such a detailed response; or why we should do more work when the Questioner was in the wrong to being with..." CreationDate="2012-12-30T15:14:52.820" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8121" PostId="4094" Score="0" Text="I had a similar experience, in fact I think I was &gt;10k before realizing that we had the FAQ tag. Perhaps that needs to be more well-publicized." CreationDate="2012-12-29T21:27:50.257" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8168" PostId="4094" Score="3" Text="At &gt; 20K I've only just learned why we have that `faq` tag. I may have seen mention of it at some stage but it's purpose was certainly not clear to me. There is no way on Earth that any newcomer, the very ones who need it most, is going to learn about it by anything other than accident." CreationDate="2012-12-30T23:00:10.177" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8156" PostId="4100" Score="3" Text="Primarily it's because I find comments like, &quot;That's how the community feels, no we don't have documentation of that but trust us on this. And if you don't get that, this isn't the place for you,&quot; to be inherently hostile. Having something that codifies the more widely agreed upon nuances, like why education questions are OT, is a good reference to have." CreationDate="2012-12-30T03:15:55.813" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8166" PostId="4100" Score="1" Text="+1 for all of it but especially the temper tantrum comment." CreationDate="2012-12-30T22:34:47.437" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8165" PostId="4103" Score="5" Text="No, No, No, a thousand times No! If you open this sluice then you might as well open the flood-gates to the rest of the crap from the internet. *AMP one click stuff on client OSes are developer tools and are perfectly on topic for SO just like Visual Studio, Eclipse etc." CreationDate="2012-12-30T21:10:14.913" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8167" PostId="4103" Score="4" Text="It is *not* elitism to expect a professional to have and apply a professional attitude. Using single install *AMP is highly unprofessional and therefore cannot be considered to fit within the scope of SF. Professionalism is a state of mind, not a pay packet. We all do unprofessional things from time to time but most of us wouldn't ask questions about it on SF." CreationDate="2012-12-30T22:51:42.293" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8169" PostId="4103" Score="3" Text="Uh, yeah. In the name of all that's right and sane, just say NO to end-user cPanel questions." CreationDate="2012-12-31T03:30:00.303" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="8241" PostId="4103" Score="1" Text="Maybe we could have one canonical question about *AMP installers, and why they are not a good idea and pros/cons. That could cut down on the &quot;i want to ask WAMP questions&quot; crew. *AMP packages are notoriously insecure and a lot of questions would crop up about them being compromised." CreationDate="2013-01-01T18:38:34.093" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8248" PostId="4103" Score="0" Text="I think that the canonical question is a good idea (http://serverfault.com/questions/453617/why-not-use-a-wamp-stack), but I wholeheartedly but respectfully disagree with @JohnGardeniers - our place in this community is not to determine what tools, install methods, etc are &quot;professional&quot; and are not. Many do/have hold the opinion that using Windows is cause to be called &quot;unprofessional&quot; as a SysAd.  This is a question-and-answer site; let people ask questions. If nobody wants to answer the question, it'll fall off the grid, but right now we are being hostile to the potential new users." CreationDate="2013-01-02T16:59:53.307" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="8249" PostId="4103" Score="0" Text="Answer one canonical &quot;why did my [W/X/M]AMP server get hacked&quot; question, and mark the rest as duplicates.  But I absolutely think that it is the wrong thing to close &quot;how do I do [x] in [W/X/M]AMP&quot; out-of-hand." CreationDate="2013-01-02T17:02:23.300" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="8258" PostId="4103" Score="1" Text="I'd rather not commit too heavily on the topic of Windows and professionalism but I am *very* happy that I started a job yesterday where I will be moving away from Microsoft to Linux and other Open Source products. I haven't been so happy to go to work for a long time." CreationDate="2013-01-03T09:12:59.980" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8182" PostId="4106" Score="1" Text="I am aware of it. Some questions are downvoted for being too easy. Also the downvotes have no comment whatsoever. Moroever, being too easy is not listed anywhere as being off topic. Oh well.... Good bye I guess :)" CreationDate="2013-01-01T07:34:05.207" UserId="150703" />
  <row Id="8195" PostId="4106" Score="2" Text="Sorry, but you seem to misunderstand what [SF]'s purpose. This is supposed to be a community of professionals, who can give and take a bit of knowledge. You have contributed almost nothing but poor questions. To protect the contributing community members from people like you, the automatic ban was implemented. If you have no desire to become a contributing member of the community, then please do leave. The other members have no desire to constantly be burdened by someone who never feels the responsibility (or capacity) to give back." CreationDate="2013-01-01T14:17:09.227" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8250" PostId="4106" Score="0" Text="`@ChrisS:` I disagree your point here. Cause we are learner and never be equipped 100% so we may ask sometimes silly question which might look like off topic or bad questions but learning never stops. `If you are feeling proud to say some one to leave` then you might think twice before saying it cause one bad word cause consequences which no one has seen yet. I am not offering violence but its about being normal and calm with the user and their effort. I know you can not learn everything for free but if you do not put effort I am sure definitely you can not learn anything." CreationDate="2013-01-02T18:05:29.137" UserId="78236" />
  <row Id="8251" PostId="4106" Score="1" Text="@PratapSingh [SF] is not for users; it is for Professional System Administrators only. People who are unable to contribute to the community are here for the wrong reasons. Threatening violence is way over the line - I have chosen my words carefully, perhaps you should do the same." CreationDate="2013-01-02T18:53:02.617" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8255" PostId="4106" Score="0" Text="`@ChrisS`: I did choose mine too carefully .." CreationDate="2013-01-03T05:56:17.183" UserId="78236" />
  <row Id="8257" PostId="4106" Score="1" Text="@PratapSingh the community has no problem with new sysadmins or ones who are experienced in one area, but who have to step outside of their comfort zone and need help. But we do expect certain standards of professionalism. There's a big difference between asking for help when you run into a problem and expecting people to tell you how to do your job for you. And we don't like the latter. There's a strong culture of 'teach a person to fish' inherent in systems administrators." CreationDate="2013-01-03T08:36:18.070" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8159" PostId="4107" Score="4" Text="It is also worth pointing out that moderators can't affect *automatic* bans. Which means we can't tell when someone is banned, nor can we unban if we desire. The only way out is to edit your stuff to get on the other side of the ban threshold." CreationDate="2012-12-30T16:56:18.450" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8183" PostId="4107" Score="1" Text="I am not sure what the ban is for, but most likely asking too many questions lead to it. I mean I improve my points from 1 to 64. I even answered some questions, the ban is still there. Looks like one downvote on that one question is the tipping point." CreationDate="2013-01-01T07:36:00.913" UserId="150703" />
  <row Id="8184" PostId="4107" Score="1" Text="@SharenEayrs No, it's not one downvote on one question... It's the overall low quality of your questions, as shown by their lack of upvotes and the fact that some are deleted." CreationDate="2013-01-01T10:18:59.987" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11677" PostId="4107" Score="0" Text="It's stupid. How are you supposed to get out of a question ban without asking better questions? Also, if most of your questions are deleted, how are you supposed to improve them?!?!?!?!?!? Stupid!" CreationDate="2013-09-27T18:20:00.643" UserId="110064" />
  <row Id="8320" PostId="4110" Score="0" Text="This was my introduction to Rudder. Glad I now know about it. Good, simple Ad." CreationDate="2013-01-08T01:47:58.723" UserId="36178" />
  <row Id="8798" PostId="4110" Score="0" Text="I'm glad that it helps" CreationDate="2013-03-08T17:41:30.313" UserId="32795" />
  <row Id="8170" PostId="4111" Score="0" Text="Community standards change, so set as CW to ease updatability." CreationDate="2012-12-31T16:26:24.997" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8178" PostId="4111" Score="27" Text="As I've said elsewhere, professionalism is a state of mind, not a pay packet." CreationDate="2013-01-01T02:50:42.593" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8171" PostId="4112" Score="0" Text="Love the idea, but seems to wander off the &quot;Professional Capacity&quot; topic into Question Topic, and even discusses the Practicality requirement of questions." CreationDate="2012-12-31T16:32:49.513" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8172" PostId="4112" Score="6" Text="@ChrisS I've seen questions closed due to insufficient professionalism on the part of the questioner, which can only be quantified through question-contents. The &quot;is a professional&quot; item **is** a smell-test for most of us, so is tricky to write up." CreationDate="2012-12-31T16:35:25.077" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8173" PostId="4112" Score="7" Text="I like it, but I think it might be worth mentioning that &quot;beginner&quot; sysadmins are welcome (I've seen a bit of pushback suggesting people feel otherwise and we don't want that) as long as they work to the standards outlined above - we're setting a quality bar for questions, not a qualification level for the people asking them, after all." CreationDate="2012-12-31T16:50:24.980" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8254" PostId="4112" Score="13" Text="&quot;Being built to learn new things&quot; - Wait, SE doesn't want people's questions about the first time they've set up something? That's the reason a lot of people come to this site, because they are in new territory, the manual doesn't say anything, and if they had years and years of experience with the system then they wouldn't have the question" CreationDate="2013-01-03T04:01:42.783" UserId="45705" />
  <row Id="8256" PostId="4112" Score="2" Text="You can get a System Administration degree? o_O I always thought of this business more like a craftsmanship through hands-on experience" CreationDate="2013-01-03T08:16:57.750" UserId="105072" />
  <row Id="8260" PostId="4112" Score="1" Text="@MathiasR.Jessen Yes you can, there are a few places offering one now. Rochester Institute of Technology has one degree program; I had an intern from them last summer. Didn't suck!" CreationDate="2013-01-03T12:19:31.443" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8299" PostId="4112" Score="0" Text="how does one define &quot;production&quot;? would that include the last line of deployment for internal applications?" CreationDate="2013-01-04T19:34:01.507" UserId="118522" />
  <row Id="8300" PostId="4112" Score="0" Text="@smcg Generally, &quot;customer facing&quot; for the app. For internal apps, customer=end-user." CreationDate="2013-01-04T21:01:06.073" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8322" PostId="4112" Score="2" Text="Professionally-managed test or QA systems are not &quot;production&quot; but should be included.  I don't think customer-facing is the right definition; if you have a proper lab environment where you're testing a new configuration before pushing it to production, then it belongs here too." CreationDate="2013-01-08T15:46:50.007" UserId="247" />
  <row Id="8338" PostId="4112" Score="3" Text="To reiterate what @RichardGadsden said: a real professional will first set up a test environment to check a new technology before unleashing it on production systems, let alone customer-facing ones. Rookie mistake is doing the exact opposite." CreationDate="2013-01-14T00:40:42.140" UserId="55663" />
  <row Id="13331" PostId="4112" Score="3" Text="Doesn't seem to leave much room for novice questions. Also, I whole-heartedly disagree with &quot;Virtual Box VMs [is an area that] professional sysadmins have very little professional experience with&quot; We have several VirtualBox VMs that run in production." CreationDate="2014-06-18T15:11:46.537" UserId="11481" />
  <row Id="13964" PostId="4112" Score="1" Text="@ivan If you're going to clean up our meta site, it would probably behoove you to read some of the [recent discussions](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6569/why-was-my-edit-rejected#comment13869_6594). I would also suggest that you adopt a less confrontational attitude to criticism; you won't last long here otherwise." CreationDate="2014-11-08T23:45:00.373" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="23006" PostId="4112" Score="0" Text="I own a few EC2 instances for &quot;learn new things&quot; related to AWS and its environment. Where can I ask certain questions? E.g. DNS related questions?" CreationDate="2021-11-06T08:51:57.913" UserId="134401" />
  <row Id="8240" PostId="4114" Score="1" Text="Either way, we still face the issues of people *not reading* the FaQs - which likely happens with all SE sites, not just SF." CreationDate="2013-01-01T18:35:33.347" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8243" PostId="4114" Score="0" Text="Yup. But, it gives you something to point to when the question comes up, and hopefully saves on time and frustration that would be spent explaining things." CreationDate="2013-01-01T19:46:01.873" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="8193" PostId="4115" Score="4" Text="I find it easy to believe that any SE staff would encourage you to post on SF's meta about problems with our FAQ. I find it a little more difficult to believe they'd specifically encourage a FAQ that is clearly slanted towards addressing your personal issues over one question, especially when they have already turned down our suggestions for a FAQ that more closely defined what questions were and were not on topic. With all due respect to yourself and to @shog9 I'm going to have to say *citation needed* on that one. I think your post would be more useful without the commentary." CreationDate="2013-01-01T11:19:43.580" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8194" PostId="4115" Score="6" Text="I've edited the post to remove some of the commentary. Whatever you think of the high-rep users here, calling out people as bullies is a personal attack and it is just going to make any reasonable debate of the points you raise impossible." CreationDate="2013-01-01T11:31:28.837" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8199" PostId="4115" Score="2" Text="A better way to consider categories like development environments, rather than 'is this question allowed' might be 'where can this question get the best answers'. Aside from anything else, it's getting away from what **not** to do and telling people how to get better answers to their questions." CreationDate="2013-01-01T15:59:22.517" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8204" PostId="4115" Score="0" Text="@RobM Where were you and your editing magic when high-rep users called me a troll for daring to challenge them?  I think it is wrong that you edited my post.  What I said may have been offensive to you but it is the truth and it needs to be discussed and addressed. In many ways you are adding yourself to the problem by attempting to suppress the message --in meta, of all places." CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:21:18.273" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8205" PostId="4115" Score="0" Text="@RobM Of course it is clearly slanted to address the issues I have seen, because that's all I know. How could I possibly slant it to address issues others have had that I know absolutely nothing about?" CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:22:56.447" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8206" PostId="4115" Score="0" Text="@RobM &quot;where can this question get the best answers&quot;. That's exactly part of the problem. Some questions (XAMPP is what I experienced) don't seem to have an accepted home anywhere. They were getting moved from SO to SF and then sometimes closed in SF. The message is very confusing." CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:27:51.970" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8207" PostId="4115" Score="1" Text="@martin's - Well as stated before, the SO-&gt;SF migration path is no more, so that shouldn't be an issue. If XAMPP questions are being closed on SO, then you need to raise that over on mSO." CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:31:23.660" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8211" PostId="4115" Score="7" Text="@martin's - you were not called a troll for challenging SF. You were called a troll for 1) your tone (accusatory, condescending, non-constructive) and 2) the fact that (after many people tried to communicate this to you) you would not acknowledge the fact that XAMPP was a dev tool. Look at this from an objective perspective: a brand new user shows up, asks an off-topic question, takes offense, and proceeds to start making demands of the community without truly taking time to understand the community first, all the while, ignoring and insulting those who were trying to clarify things for you." CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:37:54.930" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8217" PostId="4115" Score="0" Text="Martins - you can roll my edit back if you disagree with it, but I'd suggest you'd need to apply your own edits to the original post if you want it to be constructive. As for where I was, I *wasn't* adding to the 'ganging-up'..." CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:54:38.817" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8226" PostId="4115" Score="0" Text="@RobM &quot;I wasn't adding to the 'ganging-up'&quot;. Well, you did, unintentionally so, but you did. While I understand that what I said might tweak some the wrong way it needs to be addressed because I feel that it is affecting the feel and personality of SF to newcomers." CreationDate="2013-01-01T17:16:48.237" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8227" PostId="4115" Score="0" Text="@RobM Just like USENET newsgroups --yes-- where regulars would gang-up on newcomers and beat them until they either fell in line or left. No different here. And it will lead to the same final outcome: the site will become a place for a &quot;clan&quot; to exists at the expense of others interested in participating and contributing. Most people aren't like me, it take a lot to intimidate me into shutting up, as these and other posts indicate. When I know I am right I can't be bullied into choosing looking at the wall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KnaU65nLr8" CreationDate="2013-01-01T17:20:50.420" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8229" PostId="4115" Score="2" Text="@martin's I have a question for you: Why do you care so much about a community that quite clearly isn't aligned to what you want? There's nothing wrong with not liking somewhere, but I find it very peculiar how you're so desperate to go up against those who do find it a good fit for them. If you were to enter a bar that you felt unwelcoming, would you begin a campaign to change it or would you simply move on to somewhere more fitting." CreationDate="2013-01-01T17:22:01.537" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="8231" PostId="4115" Score="0" Text="@RobM With regards to rolling back your edits, I am not sure I can do that. I don't see a button that allows me to do so. Even then, I would want to be sensitive and at least consider your suggestion to re-read and edit. I am not an ass. That said, I have spent way too much time on this subject and really need to get back to work. SF isn't so important to me that I need to win this battle. I responded to bullying by raising the point and suggesting that the FAQ, the operating rules at SF and the behavior of some of it's members needs to be looked at. I can move on now. The rest is up to you." CreationDate="2013-01-01T17:26:17.050" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8232" PostId="4115" Score="0" Text="@martin's Excellent news." CreationDate="2013-01-01T17:27:08.247" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="8233" PostId="4115" Score="1" Text="@martin's you can review a question or answer's edit history, and roll it back if you have enough privs or you 'own' it by clicking on the link for 'edited &lt;x hours ago&gt;' at the bottom of the question. This will give you a list of the edits made and under earlier ones there should be an option to roll back the post." CreationDate="2013-01-01T17:30:09.373" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8242" PostId="4115" Score="6" Text="I do not agree with the proposed FAQ changes (if for no other reason than people may, against all best practices, deploy xAMP in &quot;production&quot;). If you have an issue with being told that inappropriately migrated questions are inappropriate then respectfully please consider yourself part of the reason we no longer accept ANY user migrations from SO. If you think there is a &quot;bullying&quot; problem please open a separate discussion (preferably with more than singleton examples) so we can discuss it without FAQ-Change baggage.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2013-01-01T18:59:14.987" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8245" PostId="4115" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 *AMP stacks do also/can also have their place in production (I've used them as part of imaging suites, like F.O.G. and Clonezilla), so I feel it's a bad idea to specifically call out AMP stacks as off-topic development tools when it's the usage that's causing the problem rather than the AMP stack itself." CreationDate="2013-01-02T07:41:51.220" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="8247" PostId="4115" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b I agree in the same sense that I defended [cpanel questions](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3425). I'm quite certain that the majority of questions about prepackaged xAMP stacks will be a similar festering pile of excrement, but I don't think we can just banish them." CreationDate="2013-01-02T15:53:19.833" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8185" PostId="4116" Score="0" Text="Oh please, I used &quot;lists&quot; as a generic term. A lot of people do. With regards to the rest of your comment. I felt the commentary was important." CreationDate="2013-01-01T10:24:55.860" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8186" PostId="4116" Score="0" Text="&quot;SF is not limited to Server HW and SW and it's not about the professionals who maintain them.&quot;  OK, I am confused. What is it about then?" CreationDate="2013-01-01T10:25:57.047" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8187" PostId="4116" Score="0" Text="With regards to the use of &quot;enterprise&quot;.  It's just a proposal.  What term would you propose the FAQ use to clearly describe that SF is not about systems sitting on your desk?  The desire of the &quot;clan&quot; seems to be that SF is ONLY about production &quot;heavy iron&quot; systems,  their software, related subsystems and virtually nothing else.  No office workstations or the software they run unless the software is used to run or administer the &quot;heavy iron&quot; is probably a reasonable extension of that." CreationDate="2013-01-01T10:29:32.037" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8188" PostId="4116" Score="0" Text="If you don't like the current introductory sentence and propose to replace it with &quot;SF is about...&quot; then you should probably figure out what it's about." CreationDate="2013-01-01T10:32:58.780" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="8189" PostId="4116" Score="0" Text="I am asking you what it is about.  I have already proposed some language. I am waiting for yours.  This is part of the problem.  The current definition is very slippery and full of holes and then high-reputation folk apply creative thinking to turn it into whatever they want it to be and punish those daring to post outside THEIR defnition of the site.  If my language is not correct, what should it be then?  Is the current definition precisely correct?" CreationDate="2013-01-01T10:40:37.810" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8190" PostId="4116" Score="0" Text="BTW, I just edited the original post to link to the page of the SE staff member who asked me to post my take on the new FAQ language." CreationDate="2013-01-01T10:41:41.210" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8191" PostId="4116" Score="0" Text="Just changed &quot;and the dedicated&quot; to &quot;for the dedicated&quot;.  Good point.  Clearer?" CreationDate="2013-01-01T10:47:41.100" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8192" PostId="4116" Score="1" Text="You're the one proposing a new FAQ, I'm quite satisfied with the current one.  I'm simply pointing out some of the problems I see in your proposal.  You can take them into account or not, as you see fit...  *One* of the problems is that your very first sentence is wrong: SF is not limited to just Servers (what about networks!) and questions about the people who run servers are explicity off-topic according to the current FAQ and your proposal." CreationDate="2013-01-01T10:50:02.673" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="8196" PostId="4116" Score="1" Text="@martin's - we absolutely do not limit questions to &quot;big iron&quot; deployments. We actually get fairly few questions about large and/or expensive deployments. Additionally, workstation questions are on topic, as long as the question pertains to the administration of those systems by someone who is doing this professionally. Take AD software deployments for example, or group policy. Those are both workstation-oriented topics that are on topic and have been asked and answered here many times." CreationDate="2013-01-01T15:40:48.567" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8197" PostId="4116" Score="1" Text="@martin's - additionally, it seems as if you think that all we care about are these large deployments. That is not the case. In fact, many of the high-rep users (myself included) have fairly small environments. Speaking for myself, my flock can be counted on two hands. Doing things right is just as important in small deployments as it is in large deployments, so the vast majority of questions can be applied to both." CreationDate="2013-01-01T15:43:49.690" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8214" PostId="4116" Score="0" Text="@EEAA Then the message you and other are transmitting though your actions is completely off-base. There is such a thing as using tools such as XAMPP on workstations and in a professional environment. Your disdain for them causes you to interpret the FAQ as you see fit and wield the power afforded to you by means of your high ranking in an rather unfair manner." CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:45:16.040" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8216" PostId="4116" Score="0" Text="@EEAA The problem with your vision of SF and the way the current moderation system works is that, in the absence of a more accurate FAQ it leads to oligarchy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy The problem, very specifically, is that the interests of SF visitors might not exactly align with the folkloric interpretation of the FAQ by high-rep users who, from the inside, shape it in their image. And so, SF reflect the views of the few rather than the many. Not sure how to solve this one other than with an accurate FAQ to start with." CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:50:05.790" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8218" PostId="4116" Score="4" Text="@martin's - it's quite frustrating that you keep ignoring the facts here and ignoring (or selectively forgetting) what myself (and others) have said. If you continue that, the likelihood of any of us taking you seriously is zero. I'll try one more time to explain: **XAMPP is a development tool. Yes, it can be used in a pro environment. As a dev tool. Any other usage of it goes against the XAMPP charter, is ill-advised, and non-professional and as such, is off-topic.**" CreationDate="2013-01-01T17:02:30.207" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8208" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="Folkloric interpretation of the FAQ doesn't work.  You need to be more precise. Perhaps my push for this comes from being a hardware and software engineer.  When I do either of those, whether it means writing code for an FPGA or, yes, server-side software, I have to be very precise or things don't run. I live in a world where definitions are important. So do you I suspect." CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:32:25.247" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8209" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="How is this for an example. I come to SF to get help with an XAMPP question. No, not for my computer in the dorm but for a pro environment with a bunch of users, etc., etc. I look at the FAQ. It doesn't, in any way, say this is off-topic. I run a quick search: http://serverfault.com/search?tab=relevance&amp;pagesize=50&amp;q=xampp Wow. 566 questions on the subject. Only one of them closed. Look at the first one &quot;lost xampp password&quot;. Clearly EVERYTHING XAMPP is OK here. Post away. Right?" CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:35:16.790" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8210" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="Put yourself in the shoes of a new visitor, maybe even someone who's Q was migrated here from SO. Nothing whatsoever is telling this person that, to continue along the example, XAMPP questions are off topic. Nothing. The FAQ needs to do a better job of communicating what SF is about and off-topic questions need to be shredded." CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:37:35.090" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8212" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="Take another subject that &quot;town elders&quot; seem to indicate are off-topic here, VMWARE.  Here's a quick search: http://serverfault.com/search?q=vmware You have over 4,000 questions there and I see a single closed question in the first 50. This, as a new visitor, tells me that VMWARE is fair-game here, when, apparently, it is not. Look at the first question in the search: &quot;VMWare Workstation hdd issue&quot;. What's the message?" CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:41:14.777" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8213" PostId="4117" Score="1" Text="@martin's - VMware questions are most definitely **not** off-topic. The sole reason the vmware tag was banned is that VMware is a company, not a product. People were using the vmware tag where they should have been using a &quot;vmware-esxi&quot; or &quot;vmware-vcenter&quot; tag. Tag banning is not an indicator of topicality. Tag bans are put in place due to repeated improper use of a tag." CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:44:33.830" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8215" PostId="4117" Score="2" Text="@martin's: You have misunderstood what you were told. The vmware tag had been blocked to make people tag their questions correctly with the relevant VMware product tag. Go [here](http://serverfault.com/tags) type `vmware` into the `Type to find tags:` [     ]" CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:49:49.767" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8219" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="OK, got it. On the same page, why does the XAMPP tag even show up?  And, even when it shows-up, why doesn't it say in bold type &quot;this is off-topic in SF&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-01-01T17:03:35.600" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8220" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="@martin's Because that's not how the SE platform works. We didn't develop it - take that complaint over to mSO if you feel it's a big issue." CreationDate="2013-01-01T17:05:56.450" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="8221" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="You see the problem is that the wrong message is being sent at many levels.  The FAQ, despite claims otherwise, is not precise enough. To a newcomer without folklore it means something totally different than what regulars think or want SF to be about.  Second, the availability of tags such as XAMPP seem to indicate that this is OK here. You have to place yourself in the shoes of a new visitor.  Make him a Vulcan. What's the conclusion?  Certainly not in alignment with folklore at all." CreationDate="2013-01-01T17:06:56.223" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8222" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="The FAQ needs to be improved and tags need to, at the very least, be &quot;active&quot; in that they should warn newcomers that the subject is off-topic. This would certainly give our Vulcan friend pause." CreationDate="2013-01-01T17:07:56.600" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8223" PostId="4117" Score="2" Text="@martin's Tags can be created and the price we pay for being, fundamentally, a community built site is that sometimes people in the community will do things wrong. It's all but impossible to stay on top of this, and deleting tags won't cure the issue. To be honest, I don't think it's that hard to understand what's on and off topic. There will always be gray areas, and sadly, there will also be people who simply refuse to listen to what they're being told by more experienced people." CreationDate="2013-01-01T17:09:33.473" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="8225" PostId="4117" Score="1" Text="@martin's The tag-language you're looking for probably looks a lot like [this one's tag-wiki](http://serverfault.com/tags/microsoft-licensing/info)." CreationDate="2013-01-01T17:16:02.267" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8198" PostId="4118" Score="0" Text="Thanks for an informative answer. I have launched and run a couple of community sites for professionals in the past. I know how tough of a job it can be to deal with the crud that can come in. It can be a tedious and thankless job. I get it. The perspective I am going to ask you to have when considering FAQ language and tag bans isn't that of the kind of user who is compelled to ignore them but that of a new visitor who actually wants to become part of the community is is respectful of such rules. I'll use myself as an example with a hypothetical scenario:" CreationDate="2013-01-01T15:58:34.827" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8200" PostId="4118" Score="0" Text="The scenario is as follows:  I type a new question. When I am done I go to tag it.  I type a number of tags. One, let's say it's &quot;VMWARE&quot; or &quot;XAMPP&quot; happens to be on this special list of banned topics. A small modal message appears informing me that such topics are off-limits here and strongly suggests I review the FAQ or some other document. As a thoughtful user I would not just slap another random tag on the question and move on.  I would research the issue and, more than likely, choose not to post it here." CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:04:12.893" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8201" PostId="4118" Score="0" Text="It looks like your scenarios for not wanting to implement such things as auto-magic banned-topic tags and the kind of FAQ language I am proposing is based on bad citizens rather than potentially good citizens. You have to place yourself in the shoes of an intelligent and thoughtful person who actually wants to become a part of this community. They would respond to such messages and, I would also argue, they would read more than five bullet-points. You actually want to guide newcomers who care into good citizenship. The creeps will always ignore guidelines, no matter well crafted they might be." CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:07:51.707" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8202" PostId="4118" Score="0" Text="With regards to the deletion of off-topic posts. The existence of questions with answers on off-topic subjects presents a mixed message. One is that, hey, I can post this here and maybe I'll have someone sneak-in an answer before it is closed. The wrong poster gets the benefit, other wrong posters see it when they visit and do the same. If I search for VMWARE or XAMPP and there's nothing.  Or, even better, I get a message specifically stating that these areas are off-topic here, as a good-guy new-comer I'd refrain from posting. I think what you want is to attract more good guys." CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:11:26.107" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8203" PostId="4118" Score="0" Text="Off-topic questions still have SEO juice in them. SF (and maybe all of SE) has to make a decision to not prostitute the mission for the sake of the traffic off-topic Q's can generate. I have seen a &quot;town elder&quot; make exactly that argument here on meta.  To paraphrase: let's keep closed questions because they generate traffic. In my opinion, that's a horrible double standard that sends the wrong message. Removing them is the right thing to do. At the very least remove the answers and comments so there's no real utility to them." CreationDate="2013-01-01T16:15:07.227" UserId="143242" />
  <row Id="8235" PostId="4118" Score="1" Text="*Off-topic questions still have SEO juice in them. SF (and maybe all of SE) has to make a decision to not prostitute the mission for the sake of the traffic off-topic Q's can generate. * -- absolutely. On at least one occasion I can think of, this site closed a question and it was re-opened by one of then (at the time) owners of Stack Exchange. Not everything you see here and dislike about ServerFault is actually the fault of this particular site itself or its regulars." CreationDate="2013-01-01T17:33:26.840" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8252" PostId="4122" Score="0" Text="I'm pretty sure your concerns have been previously addressed, some of them in comments to other answers in this question. Especially the bit about mandatory comments. And if you were active around 7-8 months ago, we tried a better FAQ and it got shot down by Corporate." CreationDate="2013-01-02T21:29:13.290" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="8259" PostId="4122" Score="0" Text="It's worth noting that your first example hasn't just been closed, it has been migrated to a much more appropriate site. Perhaps if you had checked the close reasons already cast you might not have made such an incorrect assumption. Your second example has just a single close vote and I'd personally be surprised if it gets the other 4 required to close it. I really think you've had a poorly timed knee-jerk reaction. I suggest you pay more attention to your examples in future." CreationDate="2013-01-03T09:25:44.600" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8261" PostId="4122" Score="0" Text="Making people comment has been discussed many times and the answer is always that it's not going to happen. The first question probably has a better home on dba.SE though it may get closed as a dupe there the latter should be on topic here though it's not great. Regarding the bar, like IT, Server, Professional it's difficult to define some days _I_ think it's way too low and some days it's just about right. I really would like to see more, better quality questions than we get now and I wish I knew how to attract them." CreationDate="2013-01-03T12:51:09.683" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8262" PostId="4122" Score="0" Text="@doug I have been one of the people who voted the first of those questions for migration. I have also written the only answer to this question so far (which was already there *before* I voted for migration) and do not think it has been unwelcoming in any way. The reason why the question attracted more migration votes quickly [is the current review system](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/4121/76595) - I think we need some more time to work out whether it is a good thing in its current condition." CreationDate="2013-01-03T16:10:27.767" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8263" PostId="4123" Score="3" Text="Related: [Good Subjective, Bad Subjective](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/)" CreationDate="2013-01-03T18:19:00.977" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8264" PostId="4123" Score="2" Text="Related: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/08/the-future-of-community-wiki/" CreationDate="2013-01-03T18:31:31.473" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8265" PostId="4123" Score="0" Text="Earlier Discussion:http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3472/whats-really-being-taken-in-consideration-to-close-a-question" CreationDate="2013-01-03T18:41:11.400" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8266" PostId="4123" Score="12" Text="The desire to flag this as not being a question is almost overwhelming. ;-)" CreationDate="2013-01-03T18:41:42.870" UserId="17429" />
  <row Id="8267" PostId="4123" Score="0" Text="More Discussion:http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/92107/is-stack-overflow-a-forum" CreationDate="2013-01-03T18:43:35.320" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8279" PostId="4123" Score="4" Text="Now that you've had your rant, what's the question?" CreationDate="2013-01-04T12:37:42.307" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8285" PostId="4123" Score="7" Text="@wfaulk is my hero for the day. This has been a growing concern to me. (Evidenced, for example in here: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4092/do-we-need-a-long-form-faq/)" CreationDate="2013-01-04T15:49:55.163" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="8325" PostId="4123" Score="3" Text="If the goal has been to scare new people away from asking potentially naive questions on ServerFault, the mission has been mostly accomplished. But I think these questions have their place, especially for us mere mortals. Sometimes I need to be told that something is non-trivial, too general, or that I should provide more information in order to get a better feel for my own question." CreationDate="2013-01-09T17:50:43.093" UserId="88876" />
  <row Id="11255" PostId="4123" Score="0" Text="I'm surprised this hasn't been closed already as 'not constructive'.. :)" CreationDate="2013-08-09T10:59:41.087" UserId="108953" />
  <row Id="8270" PostId="4124" Score="3" Text="If you're a not a professional sysadmin, or you are a bad one, you'll have a hard time gaining karma. Therefore excluding yourself naturally." CreationDate="2013-01-03T19:00:58.540" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="8272" PostId="4124" Score="4" Text="Well we'd prefer the bad ones stick around and read the questions/answers so they don't *stay* bad...." CreationDate="2013-01-03T19:04:13.913" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8275" PostId="4124" Score="0" Text="I think that some of the answers have pointed out that ServerFault is not for professional sysadmins.  It's more that the questions have an implied preface of &quot;Assuming I want to accomplish this in a maintainable manner …&quot;.  Does that sound right?  I guess what this is now pointing out to me is that &quot;for professional systems administrators&quot; doesn't really mean what we want it to mean." CreationDate="2013-01-03T20:25:52.937" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="8287" PostId="4124" Score="0" Text="@wfaulk `in a maintainable manner` doesn't pass muster. Home use questions are still explicitly excluded, even if your home is run like a tier 1 datacenter, and a newbie's idea of maintainable may be plain wrong. There ***is*** a (social) barrier to entry, it's just not one that can be codified as &quot;member of professional organization&quot;, &quot;licensed professional&quot;, etc. Our use of `for Information Technology professionals` and `in a professional capacity` are essentially a catch-all: there's probably a better way to phrase it, but we haven't found it yet." CreationDate="2013-01-04T16:23:52.193" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8290" PostId="4124" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7: But if a home user doesn't specify 'home', there's no way for us to know, nor, IMO, should we care, if it's still a question of use to the community.  And there are professional newbies.  Are they to be excluded from asking questions?" CreationDate="2013-01-04T17:29:42.327" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="8297" PostId="4124" Score="2" Text="The reason for the &quot;home setting&quot; exclusion is to avoid all the people doing grossly stupid things in their living rooms and expecting the all-knowing sysadmins to just make their shit work. We (or at least ***I***) don't want those questions.  The generally accepted thing to do with a &quot;Home Question&quot; that otherwise meets our quality standard (and are of use to the community) is to edit out the &quot;Home&quot; bits.  This is a double-standard, but the alternative is that those home users scream and cry and we've got nothing authoritative to point them to when we tell them to go to SuperUser." CreationDate="2013-01-04T19:10:31.387" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8298" PostId="4124" Score="0" Text="Re: &quot;professional newbies&quot;, it was decided long ago that questions of that sort are ***ON Topic*** for Server Fault, as we're essentially an educational resource.  Many of these folks may be doing grossly stupid &quot;home-y&quot; things in a production environment and will balk when the answer is &quot;Don't do that - spend money on the right solution!&quot;, but our goal is to provide high-quality *professional* answers, not to make everyone feel good about bad infrastructure choices. Satisfaction not guaranteed, offer void where permitted, etc. :-)" CreationDate="2013-01-04T19:12:43.723" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8268" PostId="4125" Score="7" Text="I honestly don't understand what your point is." CreationDate="2013-01-03T18:45:32.403" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="8269" PostId="4125" Score="13" Text="Actually, we shouldn't be trying to differentiate ourselves. SE employees have stated multiple times that a question can be on topic on more than one site and shouldn't be migrated away just because it's also on topic somewhere else." CreationDate="2013-01-03T18:57:19.663" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8273" PostId="4125" Score="1" Text="@mdpc I think you are mostly proving wfaulk's point. The more SE adds groups with specific topics, the less we will have on-topic questions on SF." CreationDate="2013-01-03T19:05:28.900" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="8282" PostId="4125" Score="0" Text="I'm with Alex.  The more specific SE sites there are, the more likely we are to say &quot;This belongs on &lt;specific SE site&gt; rather than here&quot;. On the flipside of this I don't see that even being an issue since those issues that could be migrated to a specific SE site are not if they are sysadmin-related or if they could even translate into a sysadmin scenario.  I've only seen us push the power-user type questions to the other sites." CreationDate="2013-01-04T12:47:01.527" UserId="12303" />
  <row Id="8286" PostId="4125" Score="1" Text="@August `The more specific SE sites there are, the more likely we are to say &quot;This belongs on &lt;specific SE site&gt; rather than here&quot;` - Please read my comment two above. This is the *wrong* attitude. If someone asks how to do something on their server in bash, it's on topic here, and U&amp;L. That doesn't mean that it should be migrated to U&amp;L if it is also on topic here. If something is asked and is currently on topic, it should *not* be migrated just because there is a more specific site." CreationDate="2013-01-04T16:03:56.727" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8288" PostId="4125" Score="1" Text="@MDMArra, It can be on topic on many SE sites...but, just like this question http://serverfault.com/questions/462710/file-permissions-on-files-and-directories-added-via-ftp I can bet my pocket change that if there is a SE sites specific to the question, it WILL be closed as off-topic." CreationDate="2013-01-04T16:31:23.483" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="8289" PostId="4125" Score="1" Text="@Alex That question is off-topic for SF, because it's about a Raspberry Pi, which is not a piece of server equipment that is used in a professional capacity. It has nothing to do with it being more on topic elsewhere. If someone asked a question about apache on a real server, we wouldn't migrate it to Unix and Linux just because they were running it on Red Hat, for example." CreationDate="2013-01-04T17:11:15.637" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8291" PostId="4125" Score="2" Text="@MDMarra, I'm sorry but his question has nothing to do with the platform being used. The question solely relates to vsftpd and umask settings. And the question is absolutely legit from that point of view. On top of that, assuming a Raspberry Pi cannot be used in a professional environment is wrong. We are now testing them as out-of-band console access for our firewalls, switches and routers. Does it mean I would be off-topic as well?" CreationDate="2013-01-04T17:29:52.257" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="8292" PostId="4125" Score="0" Text="@Alex It appears that 5 users as well as at least one moderator agree that that specific question is not appropriate for the scope of server fault. It's also getting off of the point a bit. That question aside, if something is on topic here and also on topic at a more specific site, it shouldn't be moved." CreationDate="2013-01-04T17:40:09.527" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8293" PostId="4125" Score="1" Text="@MDMarra, agree to disagree...I think this is a perfect example of what the OP of this meta question was trying to describe and the answer we are commenting being precisely the reason why the question I was referring to was closed." CreationDate="2013-01-04T17:44:13.357" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="8294" PostId="4125" Score="0" Text="@Alex Considering the fact that the **founders** of Stack Exchange, as well as many of the community management employees have been very vocal about this, there's not really anything to disagree about. If there's a database question that's asked on SF and is on topic, we should not migrate it to DBA. If there's a Solaris question that's on topic here and also at Unix, we don't migrate it. It's really cut and dry. Things can be on topic on more than one site. Things shouldn't be shuffled around just because there's a site whose name more closely matches the question." CreationDate="2013-01-04T17:52:52.527" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8295" PostId="4125" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra I think you misunderstood me. I am not advocating that a question be migrated simply because there is a specific site for the topic. I'm only saying that as more and more specific sites are brought up on SE, the more that is GOING to happen. I thought I made that clear if you read the rest of my comment..." CreationDate="2013-01-04T17:54:32.457" UserId="12303" />
  <row Id="8301" PostId="4125" Score="2" Text="@Alex: You have to consider [broken windows](http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2005/06/the-broken-window-theory.html). The vast majority of, for example RaspberryPis (there are many other examples) are not and never will be professional server systems. If we leave them open then others will use them to justify their asking similar questions and thus SF's mission become diluted." CreationDate="2013-01-04T22:14:42.513" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8453" PostId="4125" Score="0" Text="@alex The other thing to remember is *where might a question get a good answer*. Rather than looking to gerrymander the on-topic/off-topic sections of a site's FAQ, a much better thing to consider is where a question will get highest quality answers. For example, questions about a &quot;home server&quot; will generally get better answers on Super User because there are more experienced in that scenario there. There are a lot of assumptions about doing things &quot;the right way&quot; that we make as pros on this site, whereas on superuser they may be more open to &quot;good enough for home use&quot;." CreationDate="2013-01-23T22:47:35.693" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8274" PostId="4126" Score="6" Text="I didn't mean to imply that some people were injudicious in their use of the mod hammer, but merely that some people who have higher privilege levels (like vote-to-close privilege, which includes myself) have an attitude that I find to be closed-minded.  Even then, they don't seem to abuse their authority.  It's the attitude I have a problem with, and the people with privileges are the elders of the community." CreationDate="2013-01-03T19:08:00.400" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="8323" PostId="4126" Score="3" Text="@wfaulk Oh no, I'm the one implying some people are (occasionally) injudicious in their use of close-votes :-)" CreationDate="2013-01-08T16:34:07.310" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8276" PostId="4128" Score="0" Text="You mean &quot;exclude&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-01-03T20:27:51.720" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="8277" PostId="4128" Score="0" Text="Hey, were you just talking about me in chat?  (but downvotes don't mean the same thing on meta, so dv+comment is a bit different)" CreationDate="2013-01-03T20:46:12.290" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="8278" PostId="4128" Score="0" Text="I was.  Didn't realize you were there.  Was still interested to know." CreationDate="2013-01-03T20:58:09.393" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="8280" PostId="4128" Score="0" Text="While there are certainly *some* people outside the scope of SF who have asked and/or answered questions well, and sometimes extremely well, the reality is that they are very few and far between. I do however agree with your first sentence." CreationDate="2013-01-04T12:41:46.807" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8281" PostId="4129" Score="0" Text="+1 for the second paragraph." CreationDate="2013-01-04T12:43:35.150" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8283" PostId="4129" Score="0" Text="AOL!!!1!!!1!!!!" CreationDate="2013-01-04T14:58:33.040" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8296" PostId="4131" Score="5" Text="I agree that &quot;professional capacity&quot; can be an abusive form of elitism, but most of those that get closed due it feels like they didn't try to do any research at all." CreationDate="2013-01-04T19:01:23.620" UserId="96562" />
  <row Id="8302" PostId="4131" Score="11" Text="Some people seem to forget that server fault is not a replacement for the manual. The point is not whether the questioner is a beginner or some sort of guru.  It is that they have a real world problem that isn't simply a case of being too lazy to look it up." CreationDate="2013-01-05T12:34:49.820" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8306" PostId="4131" Score="1" Text="I disagree. &quot;Professional capacity&quot; has nothing to do with skill level, but everything to do with usage scenario. So for example, setting up a POP3 server belongs on ServerFault. Configuring your POP3 mailbox in Outlook: SuperUser. Sure there's two parts of the same job, but client-software configuration is a user-focused task, while server configuration is a technician-focused operation." CreationDate="2013-01-05T23:46:00.347" UserId="6800" />
  <row Id="8309" PostId="4131" Score="8" Text="All of us at times need to ask questions about things that are new to *us* but how those questions are asked is everything. Any professional, in *any* field should show due diligence, which includes  showing that they have taken serious steps to help themselves, rather than just being lazy and expecting others to do the work for them. Anyone just starting in the field that *does* show due diligence will always be welcome on SF. Conversely, those that fail to show due diligence will likely see their questions closed, or at least downvoted, regardless of how many years of experience they have." CreationDate="2013-01-06T04:15:01.297" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8324" PostId="4131" Score="3" Text="I don't agree. We've discussed this point several times on the site and each time we've come back to a central point - Everyone is welcome to ask questions on serverfault, but serverfault expects a certain quality standard from its questions. For example, I don't care if someone's experience with Linux is that &quot;I booted it for the first time yesterday&quot; or &quot;I get to call Linus Torvalds a Linux Noob to his face on a daily basis&quot;, I just care that their question about it is on topic and meets the site's professional standards." CreationDate="2013-01-08T20:46:02.950" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8303" PostId="4132" Score="1" Text="What's &quot;wrong&quot; with Gravatar? I feel out of the loop." CreationDate="2013-01-05T16:20:34.157" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8307" PostId="4132" Score="3" Text="The source code for StackExchange is free and available?" CreationDate="2013-01-06T02:26:59.793" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="8308" PostId="4132" Score="2" Text="If you find a &quot;free&quot; copy of the Stack Exchange source code I'm sure the owners would like to know where it is, so they can take appropriate action." CreationDate="2013-01-06T04:07:31.827" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8304" PostId="4133" Score="2" Text="I wonder if rolled out &quot;in a couple of weeks&quot; means *really* a couple of weeks or if it'll turn out to be a few months like the data.SE changes took." CreationDate="2013-01-05T18:47:47.423" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="8305" PostId="4133" Score="1" Text="@Ward you should ask that on meta.stackoverflow.com &lt;ducks flying shoe&gt;" CreationDate="2013-01-05T22:58:23.363" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8310" PostId="4136" Score="0" Text="I'm on Sf much less frequently these days and don't check the queue every day. There were 30 something in my queue at the time I looked and I didn't reach the question I was talking about before stopping, as it was early in the day and I wanted to keep some votes up my sleeve." CreationDate="2013-01-06T08:49:54.613" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8315" PostId="4137" Score="0" Text="I recently had two spam flags declined ([flag 1](http://serverfault.com/questions/71017/hosting-a-website-on-multiple-hosts/462961#462961), [flag 2](http://serverfault.com/questions/133804/have-free-website-hosting-with-google-app-engine/462963#462963)), when both of those were very obviously spam posts. I had edited out the spam links before flagging them, which perhaps was the problem. I guess I just wish a bit more care would be taken when declining flags. It would have taken 5 seconds more to look at the the edit history to see that the OP did indeed post spam links." CreationDate="2013-01-06T20:19:04.237" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8316" PostId="4137" Score="0" Text="@EEAA:In my experience on both sides of the line considerable care is taken with all flags. We get no benefit from knowing who throws `Spam` and `Offensive` flags, unlike others they are anonymous. That you edited them is neither here nor there, no one knew that you threw the flag too and after being edited they look like reasonable answers and certainly don't look like spam. Most flags are handled in under an hour and frequently considerably less, links are all nofollow. If you're going to edit spam out then just edit the whole post to something like `Spam Was Here`..." CreationDate="2013-01-06T22:35:34.577" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8317" PostId="4137" Score="0" Text="At least then we get some indication who also may have thrown the flag. FWIW the answer related to flag 1 was later flagged as a direct lift from Wikipedia which I guess also caused the other answer to be looked at and deleted too." CreationDate="2013-01-06T22:38:10.050" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8311" PostId="4138" Score="1" Text="Spam flags are shown in the 10K tools view, Offensive is another animal though." CreationDate="2013-01-06T14:06:16.217" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8312" PostId="4138" Score="0" Text="The flag-text reads: `This answer contains content that a reasonable person would consider offensive, abusive, or hate speech.` This is not a flag for, *technically wrong to the point of offense*. It is a flag for *Egregious lack of decorum and poor judgment in language.*" CreationDate="2013-01-06T14:16:32.170" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8313" PostId="4138" Score="0" Text="+1 Spam flags show up in the 10K view. Offensive are Mod only. But that was actually 3 flags, two for offensive and another for very low quality. **I** declined the 'very low quality' flag as I couldn't see any way to improve the answer and I didn't think it was so bad that it needed to be deleted. I wish they'd get rid of the VLQ flag as it's rarely helpful. I don't know what happened to the offensive flags (it doesn't say...). Perhaps it could be removed on grounds of being wholly unprofessional?" CreationDate="2013-01-06T15:59:15.987" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8314" PostId="4138" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS I'm in the &quot;bad answers have an important place in instructing people what **NOT** to do&quot; camp, and I think it should be left around..." CreationDate="2013-01-06T16:46:47.750" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="8318" PostId="4138" Score="2" Text="@ChrisS: It looks like declining the first flag declines all flags thrown on a post - interesting. I too would like to see VLQ removed especially as it is most often thrown without any evidence of attempting to improve the post by for example leaving a comment requesting a fix up by the OP, downvoting etc." CreationDate="2013-01-06T22:40:48.097" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8319" PostId="4139" Score="6" Text="Extending more latitude to those with &quot;decent rep&quot;, which I suspect most of us do from time to time, can be a dangerous thing and needs to be done with the utmost discretion. It can have the adverse effect of creating an excusionist environment if we're not careful. The last thing we need is users saying things like &quot;why is it OK for a high rep user to post it but it's not OK for me?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-01-08T00:45:42.710" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8321" PostId="4139" Score="3" Text="I like your thought process here, but I think that we should extend the same level of courtesy to all users, regardless of rep." CreationDate="2013-01-08T15:41:45.777" UserId="14858" />
  <row Id="8331" PostId="4139" Score="0" Text="What MadHatter and wfault said.  I'd expand on this to say that when a new user is greeted with downvotes and closed questions, he's likely to leave.  It's important for mods to give *more* leeway to newbies, and to help them to refine their questions.  Someone who asks poor questions and does not improve needs to be shut down, politely." CreationDate="2013-01-11T20:14:03.777" UserDisplayName="user82769" />
  <row Id="8332" PostId="4139" Score="0" Text="With respect, whilst it's a well-defended point, it's also the absolute opposite of what I said.  I was most definitely *not* advocating that newbies should get more leeway." CreationDate="2013-01-11T20:20:47.987" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="8327" PostId="4140" Score="0" Text="Interesting that the number of people who voted dropped so much between 2011 and 2012." CreationDate="2013-01-11T08:18:32.777" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="8334" PostId="4140" Score="19" Text="I'd be interested in running for treasurer... but I don't see a need for new moderators, given the lack of opportunity for embezzlement in that position." CreationDate="2013-01-12T00:03:13.773" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="8326" PostId="4141" Score="1" Text="+1 - we don't need more mods. Afaik - the only timezones we don't have fully covered is the middle east and US west coast. I'm not so sure if it's important either..." CreationDate="2013-01-11T08:10:40.030" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="8328" PostId="4141" Score="0" Text="Agreed - this isn't an issue I've noticed at all." CreationDate="2013-01-11T09:01:21.890" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="8329" PostId="4141" Score="0" Text="Also agree, the mods we have are spread out around the world well enough that it seems that there is always someone on." CreationDate="2013-01-11T09:56:22.897" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8333" PostId="4141" Score="0" Text="We have enough that the occasional work/life induced absence is decently well covered." CreationDate="2013-01-11T21:50:22.193" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8330" PostId="4142" Score="6" Text="Exactly that. I think it's entirely up to you ♦ folks. If no one wants out and/or feels overburdened, I am happy with the way things are. You are all doing a great job!" CreationDate="2013-01-11T11:31:29.353" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8335" PostId="4143" Score="2" Text="Agreed. Let's have one if/when the need arises." CreationDate="2013-01-12T09:23:44.733" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8336" PostId="4144" Score="1" Text="it's wordpress ..." CreationDate="2013-01-13T20:18:59.533" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="8337" PostId="4145" Score="0" Text="That makes alot more sense. Ta." CreationDate="2013-01-13T20:43:51.430" UserId="80426" />
  <row Id="8339" PostId="4146" Score="5" Text="&quot;general reference: This question wouldn't have been asked if you'd just bothered to read the documentation.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-01-14T09:49:29.823" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8340" PostId="5146" Score="4" Text="I suspect he was thinking of the RFCs as standard references... But I generally agree with the rest of your reasoning." CreationDate="2013-01-14T13:46:26.103" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8378" PostId="5146" Score="3" Text="RFCs, product documentation, Limoncelli, things along those lines." CreationDate="2013-01-16T01:48:18.357" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8341" PostId="5147" Score="1" Text="Wow, someone really screwed the pooch there..." CreationDate="2013-01-14T16:58:30.110" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8346" PostId="5147" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS I think they just took the first Q&amp;A that matched the query." CreationDate="2013-01-14T17:59:57.020" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8352" PostId="5147" Score="1" Text="It's a nice enough page but it's just one more page newbies won't bother to read and the rest of us already know, or at least *should* know, how the site works." CreationDate="2013-01-15T02:18:23.293" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8385" PostId="5147" Score="0" Text="Looking at the four answers below, and seeing that we've found at least one way to disqualify all of them... man, we're all going to die alone, aren't we." CreationDate="2013-01-17T11:53:03.013" UserId="39440" />
  <row Id="8390" PostId="5147" Score="0" Text="Having had a brief look at the list of questions all I can say is that many of them are either very poor or downright off topic. That query could almost be used as a garbage detector." CreationDate="2013-01-18T11:48:48.933" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8348" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="There will be a tool provided RSN to allow Mods to change this." CreationDate="2013-01-14T18:22:16.120" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8350" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="The 2nd answer on that question is pretty piss poor though..." CreationDate="2013-01-14T20:37:50.537" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8351" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="Yep, room for improvement... Just need someone to find a better option." CreationDate="2013-01-15T00:11:04.640" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11491" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="FYI: the current about page has the &quot;unicorns and daisies&quot; default question." CreationDate="2013-08-22T20:36:39.437" UserId="74576" />
  <row Id="11492" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="Wonderful... wonder when that got borked." CreationDate="2013-08-22T21:09:35.603" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8343" PostId="5149" Score="9" Text="Excellent execution of a humble-brag :)" CreationDate="2013-01-14T17:51:36.293" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8344" PostId="5150" Score="0" Text="The latter has pretty much a link only accepted answer which wouldn't be great." CreationDate="2013-01-14T17:58:18.160" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8345" PostId="5150" Score="2" Text="Oh crap, you're right." CreationDate="2013-01-14T17:59:03.307" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8347" PostId="5150" Score="0" Text="The first Question's Accepted Answer is pretty wordy. Either it wouldn't fit on the /About page, or it'd result in a word-wall." CreationDate="2013-01-14T18:01:34.667" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8349" PostId="5151" Score="0" Text="Yep, this is caching!" CreationDate="2013-01-14T20:16:15.057" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="8353" PostId="5152" Score="1" Text="That's because the top three answers are effectively all the same, which makes it not a good example." CreationDate="2013-01-15T09:20:42.230" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8366" PostId="5153" Score="1" Text="Too localised an example for a global site." CreationDate="2013-01-15T22:22:15.077" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8354" PostId="5154" Score="2" Text="Not long enough to warrant an answer IMHO, but if someone joins TCR and needs help, and if there's someone with expereince and can help, then create a new, tempoary room for that converstion. If they ask it as a question on the main site, good, then use chat to work out as an answer and post the answer once it is known." CreationDate="2013-01-15T15:16:04.800" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8359" PostId="5154" Score="0" Text="IMO, the message was basically just there as a ward against [help vampires](http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/).  I don't have anything against reasonable questions.  I both ask them, and answer them in chat." CreationDate="2013-01-15T17:27:21.250" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="8364" PostId="5154" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache I agree, but I've seen a decent number of instances where any question from a low-rep user that isn't &quot;hey, what's this room?&quot; gets ridiculed" CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:55:15.497" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8365" PostId="5154" Score="0" Text="As most will know, I'm no fan of chat but when I did use it I was there to ask a question that was OT for the main site. This leads me to wonder, if chat isn't a place to ask questions, what is it for?" CreationDate="2013-01-15T22:20:30.380" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8367" PostId="5154" Score="0" Text="To network with other professionals. For example, I recently started doing side consulting work with someone I met in there. Also, more than one person has gotten a job via contacts made in chat." CreationDate="2013-01-15T23:49:31.777" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8389" PostId="5154" Score="0" Text="Even (or perhaps especially) while networking with other professionals, a conversation where no one asks anything is a conversation where no one learns anything ;)" CreationDate="2013-01-18T10:32:35.527" UserId="144188" />
  <row Id="8392" PostId="5154" Score="1" Text="@DigitalMan We do talk shop all the time, but we expressly disallow &quot;halp, walk me through restoring my exchange server!&quot; and other questions like it. It's not that we don't want discussion, I just think we may be slightly overzealous in applying this policy at times. There's a line between discussion and hand-holding. I just want to make sure that line is being respected on both sides." CreationDate="2013-01-18T20:13:44.833" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10593" PostId="5154" Score="0" Text="I didn't become a regular in chat until I asked a simple question.  I got a few answers that guided me in the right direction and since then I've become a regular chatter.  I don't think it detracts from the chat aspect and several regulars do have questions regarding some things.  It isn't one of those &quot;walk me through restoring my exchange server&quot; type of questions.  I've learned a little bit from those with greater experiences then my own." CreationDate="2013-06-19T13:01:14.177" UserId="167653" />
  <row Id="8355" PostId="5156" Score="1" Text="Right, I'm talking more specifically about questions that aren't appropriate for the main site but are still sysadmin related and aren't about production issues. Things like `&quot;What do you guys use to monitor 100+ Windows Servers that's free or low cost&quot;` or other similar questions that obviously aren't good for main, but also aren't like `&quot;halp halp! Exchange is broken!&quot;` which is the type of chatter that we're trying to avoid." CreationDate="2013-01-15T15:16:11.800" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8356" PostId="5156" Score="0" Text="If someone comes into chat saying &quot;halp halp! Exchange is broken!&quot; then they need a consultant rather than live support. I don't think SE have an issue of offering services in chat (as it were) but that's probably another question." CreationDate="2013-01-15T15:21:02.000" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8357" PostId="5156" Score="0" Text="@tombull89 I don't think SE offers services in chat but for SO, for example, they'll have a C# chat room, a perl chat room, a python chat room, etc and people use those rooms to discuss their languages... and to talk the usual nonsense like us, I suspect." CreationDate="2013-01-15T15:44:52.477" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8358" PostId="5156" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra: I don't believe the injunction on live support is anything more than cutsom and practice by the regulars. Why not just create a new room for what you're proposing, you could even bookmark interesting conversations and if it's kept clean and on topic so to speak it could become a valuable resource, unlike TCR which is largely a sewer." CreationDate="2013-01-15T16:27:22.007" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8362" PostId="5156" Score="0" Text="@Iain Because it would a) turn into the existing room, or b) not be visited." CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:48:43.183" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8360" PostId="5157" Score="1" Text="That is a good example.  You didn't even ask which mail server to use, you asked where to ask, and @pauska reply was a bit out of line.    But keep in mind that particular question is approximately the same as `which distro of linux should I use`.  You were in religious war territory, without knowing it.  There are many MTAs that probably would do an adequate job for you, and there are very few references in existence that tell you what is not possible with each MTA, so you could at least exclude the possibilities that could never work." CreationDate="2013-01-15T17:48:44.117" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="8361" PostId="5157" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache I respect that. More then anything. However it may not be the greatest example, but at the very least guidance isn't support? I had really hoped that would have opened up the discussion and honestly, there is a lot on the internet about it. I have since tried installing something using the most recent step by step, and still haven't figured out how to get it working. I do feel though that there is relevance to the OP's question with regards to the above." CreationDate="2013-01-15T17:53:27.693" UserId="14678" />
  <row Id="8363" PostId="5157" Score="2" Text="Right, and not picking on Pauska because I've done the same thing and so have many others, but this is the exact thing I'm talking about. If a regular asks something like that it would cause a discussion. If a low-rep SFer asks it, they usually (not always) get a much different reaction." CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:49:39.500" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8383" PostId="5157" Score="2" Text="@MDMarra I've said this before, but while we have to maintain our status as a site for pro admins we really need to be way more forgiving with people who lack experience. We weren't born with 10 years of infrastructure experience, and neither are they!" CreationDate="2013-01-16T10:20:19.100" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="8386" PostId="5157" Score="1" Text="(didn't notice this until now) I'm sorry for being a bit grumpy, I was in a terrible mood that day. I should have answered in a more polite manner. Zoredache is still right, you're basically asking us what kind of car you should buy. But again, I'll try to be a bit more friendly and helpful in the future." CreationDate="2013-01-17T19:25:29.863" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="8388" PostId="5157" Score="0" Text="@pauska Firstly, no need to apologise. I over-reacted in my response, and to be honest, had no idea how to raise the topic since I knew it may be seen as live support. I should also not have used the word best. I can respect you had a difficult day, we all do, and sys admins more then others. I dropped it because to be honest I have been doing the whole VPS setup as a learning curve. After failing to get mail working I went with mail forwarding for now. I am really just trying to get expert advice and do it myself. I did not mean to single you out. For that I do apologise." CreationDate="2013-01-17T21:27:50.043" UserId="14678" />
  <row Id="8376" PostId="5158" Score="5" Text="If you are ready for not constructive, then make your argument here.  Please tell us why this is a good question that will result in useful information.  Tell us why this is a question for professional system administrators to answer.  (We are not usually protocol designers, that is often developers).  Tell us why this is **practical and answerable**, and **about a problem you face**.  I will easily agree, that maybe another close reason may have been better choice, but I do not agree that this is a useful question for this site." CreationDate="2013-01-16T00:33:18.103" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="8377" PostId="5158" Score="0" Text="I'm trying to update the question but it fails.. moments..." CreationDate="2013-01-16T01:03:43.127" UserId="89607" />
  <row Id="8379" PostId="5158" Score="0" Text="If you've read meta then you should be aware that we're well and truly fed up with people thinking that we have an obligation to explain down or close votes. **We have no such obligation**, either morally or due to site rules." CreationDate="2013-01-16T02:06:08.873" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8380" PostId="5158" Score="0" Text="I'm voting to close this. It's not a real question. The OP is just arguing the absurd." CreationDate="2013-01-16T02:10:22.050" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8368" PostId="5159" Score="0" Text="Actually I think both `IPv5` and `IPv9` are valid questions here.. It is on the topic of the site obviously, it deals with the history of a well known network protocol.. Your argument stands if you were talking about `not constructive`, although I can argue more there.. But isin't that on topic anyway??" CreationDate="2013-01-16T00:05:55.097" UserId="89607" />
  <row Id="8369" PostId="5159" Score="0" Text="@amyassin - so, wait, your problem is the *reason* that was selected when the question was closed..?! If it had been closed as &quot;Not Constructive&quot; you wouldn't mind?" CreationDate="2013-01-16T00:17:56.577" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8370" PostId="5159" Score="1" Text="@amyassin - also, questions about IPv5 are not really on-topic. What problem is there that needs fixing? It would go like this: &quot;Why do we use IPv6 instead of IPv5&quot; Answer: &quot;Does it matter?&quot; - there's no technical problem to be solved. It's not within the realm of the site." CreationDate="2013-01-16T00:19:41.320" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8371" PostId="5159" Score="0" Text="No, if it was Not constructive I would say something too.. I'm trying to get there..." CreationDate="2013-01-16T00:21:40.807" UserId="89607" />
  <row Id="8372" PostId="5159" Score="0" Text="So asking anything about history of a protocol or anything not used is off topic on serverfault?? I think that should be clear in the FAQ.. Per the FAQ, my question is On topic; it is about network routing, the history of the most popular network routing protocol.." CreationDate="2013-01-16T00:24:04.887" UserId="89607" />
  <row Id="8374" PostId="5159" Score="8" Text="@amyassin: Right under the section &quot;What kind of questions should I *not* ask here?&quot;: You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face. It's even highlighted." CreationDate="2013-01-16T00:29:03.030" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="8375" PostId="5159" Score="0" Text="@kce I actually saw it seconds before you post, and deleted my comment accordingly.. You are right, but still, it is answerable, and it is a problem of understanding." CreationDate="2013-01-16T00:30:44.390" UserId="89607" />
  <row Id="8381" PostId="5159" Score="1" Text="@amyassin I'm not sure what part of this is not getting through to you, so I'll offer you an out: Rewrite your question to clarify **exactly what technical problem you, as an IT professional, currently face** and I'll give it honest consideration for reopening.  Note that intellectual curiosity, while admirable, is *not* enough to make a question on-topic for Server Fault -- that is the purview of a research librarian, or Google." CreationDate="2013-01-16T04:13:18.347" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8382" PostId="5159" Score="2" Text="**You are right, but still, it is answerable, and it is a problem of understanding.** yes - your understanding of what is and is not on topic. &quot;What is the history of IPv4&quot; would be equally off-topic here because its *not related to a practical technical problem you'd be facing as an IT professional*. This is a good example of the sort of thing that *might* get some takers for a discussion in chat but which simply isn't going to ever be a good on-topic question for the main site." CreationDate="2013-01-16T09:24:51.493" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8384" PostId="5159" Score="0" Text="Thank you @RobM, that actually answered my question.. If you would form it as an answer, I would accept it.." CreationDate="2013-01-16T14:10:38.870" UserId="89607" />
  <row Id="8396" PostId="5162" Score="5" Text="***LIVE SUPPORT!! YOU SHUTTUP!!!***" CreationDate="2013-01-19T19:10:51.083" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="8404" PostId="5162" Score="0" Text="I've closed all the shopping questions in the tag.. It can be Baleeeeted by the devs." CreationDate="2013-01-20T14:28:34.057" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8405" PostId="5162" Score="0" Text="@Devs It'd be super nice if Mods could merge a tag into $NULL and remove the tag from all it's currently tagged questions. Seems to work already up until a sanity-check in the SQL or something." CreationDate="2013-01-20T14:30:20.400" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8431" PostId="5162" Score="0" Text="This is not a question. I don't understand why hardware selection questions are bad." CreationDate="2013-01-21T21:10:10.733" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="8432" PostId="5162" Score="0" Text="@Flimm it's a request to have a dev delete the tag. The tag is bad because its clearly about shopping or product recommendations which are off-topic" CreationDate="2013-01-21T21:12:36.733" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8441" PostId="5162" Score="0" Text="There are 53 questions with this tag, 43 have been closed. It's a good indication of less than topical questions. If someone wants to go through them and save the good ones (removing the tag as you go) and flag the rest for deletion I'll happily oblige." CreationDate="2013-01-21T22:33:53.897" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8523" PostId="5162" Score="0" Text="Look - if the tag itself said lemmings would you jump off a cliff?" CreationDate="2013-01-30T13:47:05.350" UserId="117853" />
  <row Id="8524" PostId="5162" Score="0" Text="No, but I'd also want to blacklist that one as well. It's just plain **not** a good tag. What situation could you possibly use that tag in that is on topic? Also, tags should be nouns that categorize the question." CreationDate="2013-01-30T13:52:10.343" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8525" PostId="5162" Score="1" Text="Apologies, this is probably the wrong place to say that I like shopping questions..." CreationDate="2013-01-30T13:56:47.020" UserId="117853" />
  <row Id="8526" PostId="5162" Score="0" Text="Yep, considering that they're off-topic across the **entire** stack exchange network - not just Server Fault. If you have a subjective issue like what to buy, you can always pop into [chat] and discuss." CreationDate="2013-01-30T13:57:35.840" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8528" PostId="5162" Score="0" Text="@RichSnow: This isn't [the right room for an argument](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y). May I request that you familiarise yourself with the [faq] and our [/about](http://serverfault.com/about) page. Cheers." CreationDate="2013-01-30T16:51:42.060" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8533" PostId="5162" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra Thanks, great suggestion!" CreationDate="2013-01-30T21:02:36.520" UserId="117853" />
  <row Id="8403" PostId="5164" Score="0" Text="@Iain : Yes, a full duplicate, can be merged with the original (to preserve the illustration), provided the original is bumped up )) for eventual (`sigh`...) resolution" CreationDate="2013-01-20T13:22:45.853" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="8401" PostId="5165" Score="3" Text="What you say seems reasonable, I'm curious as to why you're asking this ?" CreationDate="2013-01-20T09:58:44.483" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8406" PostId="5165" Score="0" Text="@Iain I just wanted to find if there is anything else need to be done." CreationDate="2013-01-21T01:44:30.777" UserId="150593" />
  <row Id="8411" PostId="5167" Score="0" Text="I really appreciate your additions. Is clicking &quot;no action&quot; safe thing to do if I feel the posts are safe for the community assuming, I do not wish to upvote or downvote and passes my four checks?" CreationDate="2013-01-21T04:41:09.973" UserId="150593" />
  <row Id="8423" PostId="5167" Score="0" Text="@ChetanBhargava that's why we have the option :-)" CreationDate="2013-01-21T16:09:53.713" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8477" PostId="5167" Score="1" Text="@ChetanBhargava : There is also the option &quot;skip&quot; which I use for questions/answers solidly beyond my ken." CreationDate="2013-01-26T18:17:10.450" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="8478" PostId="5167" Score="0" Text="@DeerHunter Sure, that is when you don't understand what is wrong with the post." CreationDate="2013-01-26T18:21:29.093" UserId="150593" />
  <row Id="8407" PostId="5170" Score="1" Text="It's all fine if you know about the implications of doing something, be it to run an old NT4 box or setting up a PPTP VPN. Unfortunately, many people that come here don't and in these cases, adding some background is a good thing, IMHO." CreationDate="2013-01-21T04:06:10.530" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8408" PostId="5170" Score="0" Text="That said, the issues around PPTP are somewhat special as many of the clueless won't understand the problem anyway and also it's debatable if it is an actual problem for the person who wants to establish it. If your goal is to get around YouTubes or Netflix' country ban, it's not going to be an isssue, but if you want to protect your trade secrets from someone, it really is." CreationDate="2013-01-21T04:10:24.983" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8409" PostId="5170" Score="1" Text="+1 For &quot;No&quot;, PPTP is just as secure as IPSec as any of the others. Just because people do stupid things with it doesn't mean it's inherently bad. Almost -1 for the NT bit; way out of support software shouldn't be used in a production environment unless you're asking how to upgrade off of it. You're analogy is about as good as most car analogies, just like an [AMC Gremlin](https://www.google.com/search?q=AMC+Gremlin)." CreationDate="2013-01-21T04:11:30.627" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8412" PostId="5170" Score="1" Text="@ChrisS - the NT one seemed poignant as I found out the other week that my major grocery chain still uses it on their brand new checkouts." CreationDate="2013-01-21T04:46:45.283" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8413" PostId="5170" Score="2" Text="@ChrisS It's not that people do stupid things with it; it's that people don't know that they have to manually set up a complex authentication scheme to gain any modicum of security with it. That's not really a recipe for success." CreationDate="2013-01-21T05:13:24.943" UserId="6800" />
  <row Id="8440" PostId="5170" Score="0" Text="@tylerl It doesn't have to be a complex authentication scheme, and most people should naturally think that v2 is somehow better than the original. I think most people, even here at SF, don't actually understand the security problems (or potential therefor) with PPTP. Also, configuring IPSec for no encryption and no authentication is easier than configuring encryption and authentication.... So your same argument works for the main alternative." CreationDate="2013-01-21T22:03:12.317" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8443" PostId="5170" Score="2" Text="@ChrisS The only remaining supported auth scheme for PPTP that can't be brute-forced in 20 minutes or less is the one that requires you to authenticate using x509 certificates. &quot;Complex&quot; is a matter of opinion, but for the average user it's pretty complex." CreationDate="2013-01-21T23:33:18.480" UserId="6800" />
  <row Id="8410" PostId="5171" Score="0" Text="That seems like a run-on sentence but I can't quite tell and sometimes I'm wrong about these things but they also tend to be hard to understand on account of the mental diarrhea effect so getting a coherent message or understanding can be a challenge." CreationDate="2013-01-21T04:13:32.153" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8417" PostId="5171" Score="0" Text="I guess I was thinking more along the lines of a crazy solution to a problem. (see TomTom Cell Phone as a Server)  Just wasn't sure if PPTP was at the same level of craziness given its inherent security issues." CreationDate="2013-01-21T07:33:11.623" UserId="42617" />
  <row Id="8418" PostId="5171" Score="4" Text="I wouldn't hesitate to warn somebody of security problems with PPTP, but if it isn't an answer to their question, or at least attached to an answer, it shouldn't be posted as such. (Though, sometimes, [it is the answer](http://serverfault.com/a/461795/126632).)" CreationDate="2013-01-21T07:37:09.010" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8414" PostId="5172" Score="1" Text="I agree with the majority if your statement, but I take issue with the statement `PPTP fails at its only goal` - PPTP is Point to Point Tunneling Protocol, and at creating a Point to Point tunnel it succeeds just fine, and *that* is its primary goal. It's not called &quot;Point to Point Super-Encrypted Uncrackable Tunneling Protocol&quot;" CreationDate="2013-01-21T05:14:05.727" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8415" PostId="5172" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson -- You intentionally left out &quot;**in almost all installations**&quot;, while I intentionally put it in there. How many people implement PPTP just for the tunneling and not the encryption? Really?" CreationDate="2013-01-21T05:22:05.047" UserId="6800" />
  <row Id="8416" PostId="5172" Score="0" Text="I would say plenty. From what I can tell, most people use their PPTP tunnels for connecting remote sites together (who would have thought?) - if you were just after P2P encryption then they are doing it wrong, then yes, they're totally wrong and batshit crazy to be using PPTP. But I don't think people use PPTP for encryption, they use it for tunelling." CreationDate="2013-01-21T05:32:39.247" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8419" PostId="5172" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson - so agreed that if anyone suggests that they're using  PPTP for encryption, then a warning is in order." CreationDate="2013-01-21T07:40:00.827" UserId="6800" />
  <row Id="8420" PostId="5172" Score="1" Text="Yes, that I can get behind." CreationDate="2013-01-21T08:22:29.967" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8421" PostId="5175" Score="1" Text="`In short, PPTP is more than safe enough for nearly all purposes` - you could state that for `telnet` as well, nevertheless hardly anyone would advocate its use over SSH due to the simple reason that the risk is not the only part of the calculation, you have to factor in the impact as well. If you deliberately decided to do encryption because communications are supposed to be secret, you should not settle for a protocol which is known to be broken." CreationDate="2013-01-21T09:23:03.433" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8422" PostId="5175" Score="1" Text="No, that could never have been said for telnet because it's a clear text protocol designed strictly for use within a closed and private network. There is absolutely no comparison." CreationDate="2013-01-21T09:43:04.100" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8424" PostId="5175" Score="1" Text="You're assuming that anyone who asks about using PPTP on SF knows the risks, knows the options, and has chosen PPTP with full understanding of all factors involved. **This does not describe the average person who asks questions on SF.**" CreationDate="2013-01-21T18:20:41.510" UserId="6800" />
  <row Id="8425" PostId="5175" Score="1" Text="*It's also not as insecure as some would have us believe.* There are always *some* who overestimate risk. But PPTP is far less secure than **most** people think it is. Yes, you can configure it to be secure, but few people do. I have yet to encounter even one *secure* PPTP installation, even though it's the most common &quot;VPN&quot; technology companies offer." CreationDate="2013-01-21T18:27:34.050" UserId="6800" />
  <row Id="8426" PostId="5175" Score="0" Text="@tylerl, have you ever known of a single *real world* instance of PPTP being compromised? If you have you're the only person I know who has." CreationDate="2013-01-21T20:29:27.883" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8444" PostId="5175" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers Here's a [tool called chapcrack](https://github.com/moxie0/chapcrack) which will decrypt your PPTP session and hand you back the unencrypted packet capture. Is that **real-world** enough for you? The only thing between an attacker and your private communication is him caring enough to actually want it." CreationDate="2013-01-21T23:45:39.037" UserId="6800" />
  <row Id="8445" PostId="5175" Score="0" Text="@tylerl, no, that's not real world. Real world is where it happens to someone without their knowledge or permission in a non-lab situation. Using that tool on myself *is* a lab situation, which is my entire point." CreationDate="2013-01-21T23:52:47.873" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8455" PostId="5178" Score="0" Text="Children, please behave. For what it's worth Chris, downvotes on meta sites do not indicate &quot;wrong&quot;, they indicate &quot;I disagree&quot;. That's why there's no individual rep on this part of the site. You're totally entitled to your opinion, and its just as valid as anyone elses opinion on here, and this is the correct place to voice it." CreationDate="2013-01-24T22:50:11.643" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8456" PostId="5178" Score="7" Text="Also, I see that this answer has collected some &quot;delete&quot; votes. This is a totally inappropriate use of the delete feature. You can't just go around deleting opinions you don't like." CreationDate="2013-01-24T22:51:38.850" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8447" PostId="5180" Score="1" Text="No moderators were involved in the closing of your question - it was members of the community." CreationDate="2013-01-23T07:02:14.430" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8448" PostId="5180" Score="2" Text="I wasn't involved in closing the question, but it **is** a shopping question. And closing questions like that for the various reasons discussed in here over the years has been part of &quot;the real purpose of this site&quot; for a very long time." CreationDate="2013-01-23T08:21:24.937" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8449" PostId="5180" Score="0" Text="You asked for a tool to do a job. That's a shopping question. Had you described a problem and asked for solutions your question would still be open. The difference is is very significant and makes the question either on or off topic." CreationDate="2013-01-23T08:29:07.130" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8450" PostId="5180" Score="0" Text="Apologies Iain - semantics - I didn't mean moderators per se.&#xA;&#xA;RobM - and so do you see my point? You cannot simply ban all questions inherently requiring the mention of tools which you need to achieve a solution! Say someone using Linux wants to find out how to add resilience to their storage iscsi mount using multipathing but doesn't know how to do it - is this banned? Because the answer requires mention of something like multipathd... I can see the need to protect against hugely general questions like &quot;what's the best Linux distro&quot; but this is different." CreationDate="2013-01-23T08:29:11.480" UserId="130787" />
  <row Id="8451" PostId="5180" Score="0" Text="OK John, I've re-worded it. But the fact is that the solution requires a particular tool...! Or I'll get something like &quot;you need the Windows equiv of tcptraceroute for Linux&quot;... This censorship just doesn't seem helpful - it's removing an intrinsic element of the question and helps explain to people what I'm trying to achieve (which others can then reuse in the future)." CreationDate="2013-01-23T08:42:48.567" UserId="130787" />
  <row Id="8452" PostId="5182" Score="6" Text="Always this. Writing a new question that duplicates an old one you've written is likely to see your new question closed as a duplicate of the old one on pretty much all the Stack Exchange sites." CreationDate="2013-01-23T15:28:11.107" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8461" PostId="5182" Score="1" Text="And having a question closed as a duplicate of one that is also closed is really annoying. :)" CreationDate="2013-01-25T02:06:23.603" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8597" PostId="5182" Score="1" Text="Editing a closed question _also_ automatically puts it into the reopen review queue." CreationDate="2013-02-03T23:33:47.090" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19770" PostId="5182" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Only once? Or repeatedly, if the first edit was insufficient to get it reopened?" CreationDate="2015-10-20T08:20:43.127" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="19771" PostId="5182" Score="0" Text="Best to do it once, and do it right ;). People would get annoyed at constant *unnecessary* bumping. Edits should be substantial rather than minor. If you're *really* lucky, you might find your own answers." CreationDate="2015-10-20T08:50:42.400" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="19772" PostId="5182" Score="0" Text="@kasperd I _think_ it only gets one shot." CreationDate="2015-10-20T13:34:45.977" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8457" PostId="5184" Score="0" Text="I believe [this is the question in question](http://serverfault.com/questions/472119/mongodb-replicaset-failover-incurs-1000x-query-response-time-increase)?" CreationDate="2013-01-24T23:17:57.430" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8458" PostId="5184" Score="1" Text="A lot of it is covered by this blog post. http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/03/respect-the-community-your-own-and-others/" CreationDate="2013-01-24T23:29:20.990" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="8459" PostId="5185" Score="0" Text="Thanks voretaq7... re: the actual question on ServerFault (not this discussion), definitely done my homework. I dislike questions that have so much information attached that the casual browser flees in terror. I tried to be judicious with the info but I've cut out the load balancers, removed auth, played with mongo's command line/verbose logging/profiling, experimented with the mongo-php driver settings, etc. etc. Happy to leave the question here. If you think it's appropriate for ServerFault vs DBA then good enough for me." CreationDate="2013-01-25T00:04:55.377" UserId="154807" />
  <row Id="8460" PostId="5185" Score="0" Text="@John it could go either way, so if you don't get an answer here after a few days you might want to check with the DBA folks (but if you tell us more about what you've eliminated it would help on either site - trimming information is good, but if we know what you've eliminated we don't have to think about it too much :)" CreationDate="2013-01-25T00:08:32.623" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8480" PostId="5185" Score="0" Text="`Extraordinarily good questions can be migrated[...]`: I stopped reading here as I needed to recover from an outburst of laughter." CreationDate="2013-01-27T12:11:24.157" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8462" PostId="5186" Score="4" Text="It would be rejected because two people have chose to reject it. This is their decision, not part of some great corporate standard or for that matter, a lack of one. I don't see what's &quot;unfriendly&quot; about the answer as it is. Blunt perhaps, but what's wrong with that?" CreationDate="2013-01-26T16:24:58.477" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8463" PostId="5186" Score="0" Text="&quot;You don't.&quot; isn't helpful and seems pretty unfriendly to me.  However the rest of the answer is useful and I appreciate the help.  So I took what I thought was appropriate action and edited the answer to remove unfriendly bit.  I'm just disappointed the edit was rejected." CreationDate="2013-01-26T16:40:42.540" UserId="155966" />
  <row Id="8464" PostId="5186" Score="0" Text="You should also know that the person who posted the answer gets notified of the suggested edit, and they can take action on it as well if they wish. Though since he hasn't logged on since before you made your edit, it would be nice to give him time to update his answer :)" CreationDate="2013-01-26T16:42:08.680" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8465" PostId="5186" Score="3" Text="@TomHunter: Bear in mind that not everyone here is a native English speaker so sometimes things can seem a little direct. Having said that &quot;You Don't&quot; isn't at all unfriendly." CreationDate="2013-01-26T16:44:41.727" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8466" PostId="5186" Score="4" Text="I've certainly heard - and used &quot;you don't&quot; as a *friendly* response to &quot;how do I do *x*&quot; before. Maybe you haven't but it's a common enough response here in the UK. A reply that stopped at that point would be unhelpful, but a reply that starts that way seems fine to me." CreationDate="2013-01-26T16:46:57.280" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8467" PostId="5188" Score="0" Text="Even ignoring whether the answer was friendly / unfriendly, it doesn't really make sense for his answer to be requesting clarification as _I've now made the clarification in my question_.  This is another reason why I don't understand the rejection." CreationDate="2013-01-26T17:00:18.570" UserId="155966" />
  <row Id="8468" PostId="5188" Score="0" Text="@TomHunter In that case, it would be friendly of you to allow Massimo the chance to amend his own post, wouldn't it?" CreationDate="2013-01-26T17:05:15.933" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8469" PostId="5188" Score="0" Text="If there is an etiquette surrounding that, I wasn't aware of it.  As far as I can see I was saving him the job.  After all, why can I see the edit link..?" CreationDate="2013-01-26T17:15:21.653" UserId="155966" />
  <row Id="8470" PostId="5188" Score="2" Text="Anyone can see why this part is there in the edit history of your question, so it wouldn't lead to confusion. If Massimo wants to edit this, he can. I wouldn't if it where my answer as it's not worth the time, and I would have rolled back the edit  if others had approved it.  Again, it's Massimo's answer, not mine or yours. Finally, although not relevant in this case: In the windows where I can approve or reject an edit, I don't see the context so it would be another action for me to look up the actual question and see if you might have edited the question to add the info." CreationDate="2013-01-26T17:16:30.847" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8471" PostId="5188" Score="0" Text="As to the edit button: I somewhat disagree with the whole &quot;anyone can edit&quot; notion, this case being a prime example of why." CreationDate="2013-01-26T17:17:55.667" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8472" PostId="5188" Score="0" Text="In your review window, you must be able to see my comment: &quot;have clarified my question so removing request for clarification&quot;" CreationDate="2013-01-26T17:18:31.590" UserId="155966" />
  <row Id="8473" PostId="5188" Score="0" Text="Seems to me you're therefore disagreeing with a fundamental aspect of the StackExchange engine.." CreationDate="2013-01-26T17:19:20.780" UserId="155966" />
  <row Id="8474" PostId="5188" Score="0" Text="As is said: Not relevant in this case, and most edit comments (including my own) are useless, so I don't really see them. And yes, I disagree with this fundamental aspect. I can live with that." CreationDate="2013-01-26T17:24:38.377" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8475" PostId="5188" Score="0" Text="Please endeavor to put in useful edit comments and take into account edit comments whilst reviewing in future." CreationDate="2013-01-26T17:40:21.313" UserId="155966" />
  <row Id="8476" PostId="5188" Score="1" Text="No, it's not worth the time (IMHO)." CreationDate="2013-01-26T17:42:46.433" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8479" PostId="5188" Score="0" Text="@TomHunter *If there is an etiquette surrounding that, I wasn't aware of it* - there is [this on edit wars](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/03/the-great-edit-wars/). Among other things, it states `*Always* respect the original author.` At least to me it seems like a good rule to follow. A corollary would be to edit foreign posts sensibly. And rarely." CreationDate="2013-01-27T12:09:37.680" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8481" PostId="5191" Score="1" Text="Timewarp perhaps? :)" CreationDate="2013-01-28T09:44:11.860" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8485" PostId="5191" Score="1" Text="Are you looking at your [SF profile](http://serverfault.com/users/96562/grumpy) or [meta.SF profile](http://meta.serverfault.com/users/96562/grumpy)?  Each may have different consecutive counts based on your activity." CreationDate="2013-01-28T11:21:44.713" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="8496" PostId="5191" Score="0" Text="Considering I rarely ever visit meta, I'm sure it's about my main SF profile." CreationDate="2013-01-28T18:21:26.890" UserId="96562" />
  <row Id="8505" PostId="5191" Score="2" Text="@JohnGardeniers - thanks. Now I have that stupid song stuck in my head. &quot;It's just a jump to the left...&quot; GRAHAHHHHHHHHHHH FLASHBACKS TO HIGH SCHOOL... GREMLINS... No̺͈͋ơ͈̳̬̻̰̩̦͊̓̅o͉͔͙͑͑ͪ̒̌̈o̷͕̾͛̆ͤͯ̓͒o̸̹̲̾̇ǒ̴͂͌o̵̬͚̥͕̭̦ͯ͗̿ooooooo" CreationDate="2013-01-29T01:34:06.093" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8482" PostId="5192" Score="0" Text="my, the line spacing looks crappy due to the tag references." CreationDate="2013-01-28T10:31:51.327" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8492" PostId="5192" Score="0" Text="Address all aesthetic complaints to the Monsanto corporation! (Because I'm sure Jin is sick of our bitching by now :-)" CreationDate="2013-01-28T17:25:46.967" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8507" PostId="5192" Score="0" Text="If he's sick of the bitching maybe it's time something was done to rectify the issues and thereby remove the need to bitch." CreationDate="2013-01-29T02:21:11.890" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8488" PostId="5194" Score="5" Text="Nobody cares how you became an admin. Using Plesk/CPanel et al isn't really admining a server though it's using a web application. As you have discovered they do strange things to systems that makes it much harder to fix and somewhat alien to those of us that don't use them." CreationDate="2013-01-28T16:56:24.853" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8494" PostId="5194" Score="1" Text="I apologise for adding context, @Iain.  Feel free to edit out the words you find offensive.  I would argue that it is not using a web application however - most of my time is spend trying to counteract the webapp's weirdness in the terminal as was made clear in my original question.  If there was a more appropriate exchange for this question I would have used it." CreationDate="2013-01-28T18:11:14.773" UserId="153288" />
  <row Id="8527" PostId="5194" Score="1" Text="Don't do that - either use the web app or ditch it and use a terminal." CreationDate="2013-01-30T16:45:58.117" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8552" PostId="5194" Score="3" Text="In honest I haven't read the linked question/answer; but self-answer is almost universally good and accepted here. One caveat to that, I've seen plenty of self-answers where the OP didn't include critical details in the Question, people tried to help, and the Self-Answer relies on those details that still haven't been divulged..." CreationDate="2013-01-31T03:03:51.420" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8607" PostId="5194" Score="0" Text="@Iain As I have said before I don't have a choice in the matter, and now I'm too far gone to even think about rebuilding the VPS sans Plesk." CreationDate="2013-02-04T17:44:43.563" UserId="153288" />
  <row Id="8487" PostId="5195" Score="4" Text="Thank you for your input and your edit!  I am now starting to understand the exacting requirements of the community here.  I still think that all the effort these users put into commenting and closing a useful question could have been better spent editing my question, but I'm splitting hairs now.  Thanks again for your answer." CreationDate="2013-01-28T16:49:18.353" UserId="153288" />
  <row Id="8489" PostId="5195" Score="0" Text="Check out one of my questions for a prime example of this on [SuperUser](http://superuser.com/q/509536/102661) (read the edits)." CreationDate="2013-01-28T17:12:17.960" UserId="106401" />
  <row Id="8521" PostId="5195" Score="3" Text="I don't know about the others who voted to close, but I don't consider it obvious that &quot;How do I fix this?&quot; is implied by this type of question.  Sometimes the person wants a workaround, sometimes they want pointers on how to diagnose the problem..." CreationDate="2013-01-30T07:47:07.397" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="8486" PostId="5196" Score="1" Text="Thank you for your input, I accept the lack of explicit question appears to be the issue here.  I suppose I assumed that the usefulness of what was written (and the fact it is implicitly a question by nature) trumps syntax, but of course syntax trumps everything in our game." CreationDate="2013-01-28T16:46:34.203" UserId="153288" />
  <row Id="8490" PostId="5197" Score="1" Text="This would be my biggest problem with your question, @SLD , ([and I'm the guy who defended plesk/cpanel/etc. questions](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3425)) -- This is a Plesk question at its core (&quot;How does your product work?&quot;), and the proper venue for it is really Plesk support (It's like asking what the default password for a Cisco router is -- why not ask *Cisco*?). That said, the information is useful for people who get stuck with a Plesk environment. I certainly felt the answer upvote-worthy even though I'm not a fan of the question :)" CreationDate="2013-01-28T17:24:20.510" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8491" PostId="5197" Score="0" Text="I'm one of the Plesk haters, and I did not downvote or vote to close this question." CreationDate="2013-01-28T17:25:45.297" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8495" PostId="5197" Score="1" Text="I am a fully fledged Plesk hater, but I'm stuck with it for now.  VPS procurement was somewhat out of my hands and subject to a strict budget.  Why is a professional tone so important, though?  The question was concise and contained the relevant detail, but not flippant or inappropriate.  We're not trying to win business from each other here, so I don't see the need for full-on formality.  I've read a thousand questions that were amateur, badly written, massively downvoted but were still answered and not closed." CreationDate="2013-01-28T18:16:12.347" UserId="153288" />
  <row Id="8499" PostId="5197" Score="1" Text="@SLD Feel free to vote to close (or edit to fix) questions that are amateurish, badly written, etc. -- The *very first line* of the Server Fault [FAQ](http://serverfault.com/faq) is `Server Fault is for Information Technology Professionals needing expert answers related to managing computer systems in a professional capacity.` -- A professional tone is an important component of questions (and answers) on the main site (which is why we scrub rants, profanity, etc. when they show up). A good rule of thumb is: `Ask questions you would ask a colleague. Answer as if advising a client.`" CreationDate="2013-01-28T18:47:49.850" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8500" PostId="5197" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Seems fair." CreationDate="2013-01-28T19:06:45.210" UserId="153288" />
  <row Id="12528" PostId="5197" Score="0" Text="&quot;...  it's better than having them try to figure out a command line.&quot; So much for RTFM!" CreationDate="2014-03-10T18:21:00.210" UserId="174111" />
  <row Id="8493" PostId="5199" Score="0" Text="@grumpy The system does indeed think you missed a day (4 days ago), and UTC days are probably the reason.  If you're badge-hunting I suggest visiting every day at the same time (and making sure that's a time reasonably close to Noon UTC if practical, so you have lots of wiggle room) and trying to find something vote-worthy (or browsing a few questions &amp; making sure the system registers your visit on your profile before you leave)." CreationDate="2013-01-28T17:48:12.897" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8497" PostId="5199" Score="0" Text="Ah, the &quot;just loading the home page doesn't count&quot; kind of answers the question. I often browse front page and go if nothing that interests me. Though, I swear I saw a higher consecutive days just yesterday (well, 2 days now)... :( I'm gonna blame timewarp now." CreationDate="2013-01-28T18:27:12.107" UserId="96562" />
  <row Id="8498" PostId="5199" Score="2" Text="I suggest you put together a list of your favorite tags, which you can then browse. You may find it easier to find interesting questions that way." CreationDate="2013-01-28T18:29:22.237" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8502" PostId="5199" Score="1" Text="Plus having favorite tags highlights them on the front page(s) so you can spot questions you might be interested in." CreationDate="2013-01-28T23:15:50.337" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8503" PostId="5200" Score="0" Text="A specific example would be useful, perhaps a link to the question you're talking about? Simply ranting that you feel some (unspecified) question was unfairly closed will not get you any (positive) attention." CreationDate="2013-01-28T23:35:18.903" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8506" PostId="5200" Score="7" Text="@user165568, you have a serious attitude problem. If you're intending to be part of SF I suggest you learn to control your temper tantrums and also learn to express yourself more clearly, calmly and politely." CreationDate="2013-01-29T02:10:50.323" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8508" PostId="5200" Score="0" Text="Well, it's clearly a general problem here: discussion questions are not closed (see any very highly rated or very low rated question: http://serverfault.com/questions/473089/can-ping-out-but-not-in" CreationDate="2013-01-29T04:26:54.167" UserId="142882" />
  <row Id="8511" PostId="5200" Score="0" Text="Similar discussion: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4066/over-use-of-off-topic-closure" CreationDate="2013-01-29T11:26:05.470" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11038" PostId="5200" Score="2" Text="What is a &quot;discussion question&quot;?  This isn't a forum, and Q&amp;A doesn't lend itself to discussions, but rather to answers.  [tag:discussion] is a thing for meta only." CreationDate="2013-07-25T05:51:52.403" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="8509" PostId="5201" Score="0" Text="First, thank you. Second, my suggestion is NOT that you leave the broken windows. Rather, that you don't board-up unbroken windows. This is difficult if you rely on personal judgment, hence the suggestion that you use a specific protocol. Third-- thank you." CreationDate="2013-01-29T05:13:30.107" UserId="142882" />
  <row Id="8512" PostId="5201" Score="4" Text="@user165568 We ***DO*** use a specific protocol. It's the same one every Stack Exchange site uses: 5 users with reputation of 3000 or greater (or a site moderator) must decide the question is not a good fit for the site, and must classify it as one of 4 types of poor questions (or a duplicate of an already existing question). If 5 users (or a site moderator) disagree with that conclusion they may vote to reopen the question. If, as in this case, you don't agree with the decision, Meta is the appeals board." CreationDate="2013-01-29T16:16:34.970" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8564" PostId="5201" Score="0" Text="OK, I'll edit that: I've suggested that you NOT board-up un-broken windows, use a specific protocol that I have suggested. Because your specific protocol of boarding up un-broken windows is not supported by the &quot;broken windows&quot; argument." CreationDate="2013-02-01T04:28:34.210" UserId="142882" />
  <row Id="8513" PostId="5203" Score="1" Text="Really? Reviewers are now tested for sanity? So &gt;90% are going to lose their review privileges soon?" CreationDate="2013-01-29T20:48:22.940" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8514" PostId="5203" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj It's relative sanity, you're fine. Now if you'll excuse me [the tequila weasel](http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=474) and I are discussing the relative merits of deleting ALL the things..." CreationDate="2013-01-29T21:06:38.467" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8515" PostId="5203" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj  Well, on SO, yeah." CreationDate="2013-01-29T21:10:37.597" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="8516" PostId="5203" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b: and on SF/SU too." CreationDate="2013-01-29T21:13:42.377" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8517" PostId="5203" Score="0" Text="@Iain Are our reviewers really of SO-level quality?  I know it banned a lot of SO reviewers who were blatantly badge-whoring, but I'm not sure the community here will be impacted to the same degree." CreationDate="2013-01-29T21:29:34.637" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="8518" PostId="5203" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b: I don't think we will either but the automagic revocation of review privileges has been enabled on SF and SU now too." CreationDate="2013-01-29T21:34:46.430" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8519" PostId="5203" Score="0" Text="@Iain (or voretaq7): Is this happening for everyone or should I be in any way concerned about my reviewing? I have no reason to believe I should be concerned, but one never knows..." CreationDate="2013-01-29T22:35:41.313" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8520" PostId="5203" Score="1" Text="Sven, I believe everyone who uses certain /review queues is subject to 'testing'." CreationDate="2013-01-30T06:57:05.780" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8522" PostId="5203" Score="0" Text="I'm too lazy to search for it now, there have been multiple questions about this on meta.SO and I _think_ it's been admitted that the testing of reviewers needs to be adjusted to account for this case - where the answer has been dealt with (deleted) so the reviewer shouldn't fail the test when they pick &quot;no action needed.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-01-30T08:01:14.793" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="8565" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="So I give some specific examples, and you respond to the general question instead...OK, I've made a specific suggestion, and you've responded that CORRECTING THE ERRORS is better than my systematic suggestion for preventing the errors. In general, I disagree with that. As a sys admin, I disagree with that." CreationDate="2013-02-01T04:42:44.897" UserId="142882" />
  <row Id="8567" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="Effectively, you've drawn a distinction between:&#xA;&quot;Don't know the answer to that question&quot;&#xA;&quot;Don't know that there is an answer to that question&quot;&#xA;&quot;Don't think there is an answer to that question&quot;&#xA;&quot;Don't think that question can be answered except by discussion&quot;&#xA;I don't accept that distinction. It takes no account of the way people actually work.  Is it because I am a sys-admin? I expect users to make judgements based on simple heuristics, which sometimes lead them to error." CreationDate="2013-02-01T05:10:11.430" UserId="142882" />
  <row Id="8568" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="I really can't follow what you are trying to say in your comments." CreationDate="2013-02-01T08:52:11.503" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="8529" PostId="5205" Score="0" Text="I heard about it on the podcast over a month ago.  Though at the time I was supposedly pretty rare.  I suspect they may have increased the frequency." CreationDate="2013-01-30T19:05:12.930" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="8530" PostId="5205" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/152716/142484" CreationDate="2013-01-30T19:07:17.297" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="8531" PostId="5206" Score="1" Text="They need to tweak that a lot. Having to experience [this](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5202/bug-in-review-shows-me-deleted-answer-for-review) *really* annoys me." CreationDate="2013-01-30T20:09:24.827" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8532" PostId="5206" Score="1" Text="Awesome! This is a sorely needed feature." CreationDate="2013-01-30T20:21:06.473" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="8534" PostId="5206" Score="1" Text="The problem I forsee is that I disagreed with a couple of the &quot;right answers&quot;....also this may cause the number of reviewers to drop off.  Each user has his perspective and that is what makes this system work, testing generates more work and some frustration." CreationDate="2013-01-30T21:16:36.737" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="8535" PostId="5206" Score="1" Text="@mdpc That's kind of the point, actually. If you're too far off of the standards everyone else is reviewing against, you do need to be told that." CreationDate="2013-01-30T21:24:56.663" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8537" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="what about diversity in opinion?" CreationDate="2013-01-30T21:49:31.693" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="8538" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="@mdpc That's what the review queues are all about. The items thrown up already have been voted on by diverse people (or one super-user). The items you vote on that *aren't* tests supply your view to the overall body of reviewed-posts. This 'audit' system is designed to herd people closer together." CreationDate="2013-01-30T21:56:59.890" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8556" PostId="5206" Score="1" Text="Can't we just bin the review system and carry on as we did before it came? It is full of wrong incentives and favors herding behavior." CreationDate="2013-01-31T21:10:16.400" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8627" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="It's a powerful training tool - I've been quiet for a while, thought I'd start up again by doing some reviews and can now see that my &quot;view&quot; isn't up to par. Not going to review or edit again until I've had some fresh answers graded. Not sure if it's a good or a bad thing, but it certainly made me think more carefully about the purpose of reviewing." CreationDate="2013-02-10T12:06:25.663" UserId="8517" />
  <row Id="8536" PostId="5207" Score="2" Text="My money is on aggressive caching of those numbers" CreationDate="2013-01-30T21:43:01.197" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8539" PostId="5207" Score="0" Text="Does it persist when you reload the main /review page? I've seen caching issues under /review before." CreationDate="2013-01-30T22:01:56.833" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8540" PostId="5207" Score="0" Text="yep, its still present after doing a browser reload...same counts are still present as my report too." CreationDate="2013-01-30T22:03:04.020" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="8541" PostId="5207" Score="0" Text="In fact, I cleared the browser cache AND restarted....results the same." CreationDate="2013-01-30T22:05:04.237" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="8542" PostId="5207" Score="0" Text="I have the same problem. Currently, it's two reopen reviews listed and none are displayed. Earlier, it was another category as well (I think new member posts). Switching to another browser (Chrome instead of FF) and logging in there didn't help." CreationDate="2013-01-31T00:13:39.170" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8551" PostId="5207" Score="0" Text="I had this happen to me for the first time last night." CreationDate="2013-01-31T02:04:53.770" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8553" PostId="5207" Score="0" Text="logged in on another computer and things seem ok here.....I don't know if I'd still see the problem my office computer or not again." CreationDate="2013-01-31T03:25:50.093" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="8544" PostId="5208" Score="3" Text="See the FAQ: `You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face.`  Please provide more background information about how you ran across this very interesting oddity in Windows name resolution, and how it applies to a problem you're having." CreationDate="2013-01-31T01:15:08.280" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="8545" PostId="5208" Score="1" Text="@ShaneMadden It's just a cmd typo for me, and I don't want to solve anything, just want to know why it works on Windows." CreationDate="2013-01-31T01:18:44.763" UserId="59379" />
  <row Id="8548" PostId="5208" Score="5" Text="That's really more of a trivia question than anything - unless it applies to a problem you're having, then it's not really appropriate for Server Fault.  In any case, then answer seems to be &quot;because Microsoft wrote it that way&quot;.  See here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms738520(v=vs.85).aspx" CreationDate="2013-01-31T01:27:59.843" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="8550" PostId="5208" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden Thanks a lot, you are my hero. That's the exact MSDN page I want to find myself but failed." CreationDate="2013-01-31T01:30:14.880" UserId="59379" />
  <row Id="8546" PostId="5209" Score="1" Text="Hi @tylerl I asked the complete question in the headline, sorry about the poor content, I updated it. Can you please suggest me edit content not closing the question next time?" CreationDate="2013-01-31T01:20:55.897" UserId="59379" />
  <row Id="8549" PostId="5209" Score="1" Text="The second time you asked the question, you did a much better job. Questions that just say &quot;why does(n't) this work&quot; expect the answerer to do all the work and figure out the context of what you're talking about, the expected behavior, any unusual circumstances, etc. The more clear you are, the more likely people will be able to answer you." CreationDate="2013-01-31T01:28:04.720" UserId="6800" />
  <row Id="8543" PostId="5210" Score="0" Text="dear sir, trying &quot;ping ..localmachine&quot; only takes two seconds, I am on  a non-English Windows machine so I the output I provide is something like this https://gist.github.com/4679003 do you find it helpful?" CreationDate="2013-01-31T01:14:14.583" UserId="59379" />
  <row Id="8547" PostId="5210" Score="0" Text="can you please kindly show me how to properly ask this question instead?" CreationDate="2013-01-31T01:24:08.790" UserId="59379" />
  <row Id="8555" PostId="5210" Score="0" Text="@est We can't tell you how to ask your question, because (as stated above) we've never heard of what you're talking about. The best advice I can give you is to read [this topic](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3608) and try re-asking your question with adequate detail." CreationDate="2013-01-31T16:09:36.270" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8557" PostId="5210" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Is it fair to close a question just because mods never heard of it? Can't you guys kindly suggest an edit? I re-asked the question [here](http://stackoverflow.com/q/14616654/41948) with adequate detail, but Mr Michael Hampton is asking me to stop, and Mr ThiefMaster decided to close it even the answer is already there. So what am I doing wrong in my second attempt?" CreationDate="2013-02-01T00:39:33.653" UserId="59379" />
  <row Id="8558" PostId="5210" Score="1" Text="@est I _did_ suggest an edit, but you decided not to take my advice." CreationDate="2013-02-01T01:03:22.700" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8559" PostId="5210" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Sorry that was my fault. It was too late as I am not at your timezone, by the time I tried to improve the first question it was already closed. So I went ask the second question on Stackoverflow  instead." CreationDate="2013-02-01T01:07:43.410" UserId="59379" />
  <row Id="8560" PostId="5210" Score="1" Text="@est What does that have to do with anything? You can improve your question at any time." CreationDate="2013-02-01T01:09:14.983" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8561" PostId="5210" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Hmm, you have never experienced that frustration when your topic is closed (Which means NO ANSWERS allowed), and kind people can only answer your question correctly on a meta site. It's like you were put into prison for seeking knowledge but instead acquired that knowledge in a courtroom." CreationDate="2013-02-01T01:14:50.773" UserId="59379" />
  <row Id="8562" PostId="5210" Score="1" Text="@est Your question was closed. That means you can edit it so that it can be reopened." CreationDate="2013-02-01T01:16:09.150" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8563" PostId="5210" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton I edited the question [at my best effort](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14616654/#comment20413100_14616654). still not sure how to meet the question standards. Anyway it's obscure open question as on Windows it can happen at any level, (hardcode in commands? API? or winsock?). SO/SF hate these as it's more like open research rather than solving practical problems. it's a personal curiosity inquiry, not a real coding/server problem worthy to solve. For such a stupid question, most ppl tend to take granted to close it as they never heard of it nor want to peek into it. /rant" CreationDate="2013-02-01T01:31:49.167" UserId="59379" />
  <row Id="8578" PostId="5215" Score="0" Text="The issue wasn't that your question was all too vague. Rather, it was overly broad. As mentioned below, dealing properly with this broad of a question requires **books**, not a few hundred words in a SF answer." CreationDate="2013-02-02T20:51:07.273" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="8606" PostId="5220" Score="1" Text="I now understand the extremely particular requirement of this community for an explicit question, however to say the question was nonsense is ridiculous.  Every single person who read that post knew exactly what the 'question' meant - pragmatically what I posted was perfectly valid: there was no doubt, ambiguity, or nonsense of any kind. Plesk is the work of the devil - I get that, I know that, but *this was still a real problem and as far as I could tell this was still the best exchange for the question.*" CreationDate="2013-02-04T17:42:00.843" UserId="153288" />
  <row Id="8609" PostId="5220" Score="1" Text="So you've consulted with &quot;every person&quot; who read your post to ensure they understood the &quot;question&quot;? How else could you possibly come to such an absurd conclusion? You failed to consult me for one and I did **not** find a question in it. You need to learn the difference between questions and statements." CreationDate="2013-02-04T22:41:06.757" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8610" PostId="5220" Score="2" Text="Is it really so hard to conclude that a post regarding an inability to access the mysql CLI is looking for a way to gain access? I get it, you guys *demand* explicitly phrased narrowly scoped questions but the question here was still clear, if only implicitly." CreationDate="2013-02-04T22:55:36.093" UserId="153288" />
  <row Id="8598" PostId="5221" Score="1" Text="Isn't that what meta is for?" CreationDate="2013-02-04T06:50:08.583" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8599" PostId="5221" Score="1" Text="I was thinking about creating a meta question ask 'what alternate venues exist for asking discussiony sysadmin questions'." CreationDate="2013-02-04T09:09:56.103" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="8611" PostId="5221" Score="2" Text="I take exception to the idea of closing a question as a duplicate because it's off-topic. There's an off-topic close reason built-in that should be used. If you want to provide the question asker more detail as to why it was closed then add a comment. But using the duplicate option just because you can link to another post is a mis-use of the close system. (If that's not what you were suggesting, then disregard, but you did say &quot;I would prefer to close those questions as a duplicate&quot;.)" CreationDate="2013-02-05T14:05:22.933" UserId="15028" />
  <row Id="8612" PostId="5221" Score="0" Text="@longneck, I've come across at least one instance where I voted to close a question as a dupe of another, without realising that other one had already been closed." CreationDate="2013-02-06T08:18:27.920" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8600" PostId="5222" Score="1" Text="Our chat is fine for discussions. I point people there all the time. It's just not a place for &quot;Help me troubleshoot my dead Exchange server step-by-step in real time&quot;" CreationDate="2013-02-04T13:12:41.743" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8601" PostId="5222" Score="3" Text="@MDMarra: 'Our chat is fine for discussions' - providing you are able to control the web content filtering for your $site and are brave enough to leap into somewhere that is pretty much an electronic locker room." CreationDate="2013-02-04T13:28:35.900" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8602" PostId="5222" Score="0" Text="@Iain If it's really as bad as you're making it out to be, why don't you chat ban people? You're a mod - moderate." CreationDate="2013-02-04T14:18:08.763" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8603" PostId="5222" Score="3" Text="@MDMarra: I believe y'all can swear and be offensive if you feel the need but as ever you miss the point. It doesn't make for a pleasant environment to join in and engage in discussion." CreationDate="2013-02-04T15:18:02.663" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8604" PostId="5222" Score="1" Text="@Iain Chat is a Stack Exchange product meant to extend the main site. It's where the discussions that are not allowed on main are supposed to happen. That might be part of the reason we have so many disgruntled users lately. Seriously, if you think it's a problem then let's do something about it. Personally, I think the level of cursing is fine, even for a noob just joining, but there's plenty of other stuff that should be bounced out of that room. I'm not being factious." CreationDate="2013-02-04T15:20:24.597" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8608" PostId="5222" Score="0" Text="If you think there is stuff that needs bouncing then either ping one or more of the (many) blues or flag it, the former being preferred as it doesn't bring every man and his dog to the party." CreationDate="2013-02-04T20:21:17.740" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8605" PostId="5224" Score="3" Text="It would be easier to determine if you could add a little detail.&#xA;&#xA;Or you can just ask a new Question; at the bottom reference the old and a brief reason why you think your Question is different/extended." CreationDate="2013-02-04T16:24:05.343" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8613" PostId="5227" Score="5" Text="I think the wording has to be *&quot;the glue provided by the parent name servers has to match the* **data** *provided by the authoritative name servers&quot;* as the latter would not provide &quot;glue&quot;." CreationDate="2013-02-06T21:25:34.927" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8614" PostId="5227" Score="0" Text="If you're developing a DNS checking tool you should first ensure you have a proper understanding of the topic." CreationDate="2013-02-07T10:06:22.880" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8615" PostId="5227" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj I've updated the message. Thank you!" CreationDate="2013-02-07T11:42:12.743" UserId="4229" />
  <row Id="8616" PostId="5227" Score="0" Text="@JohnGardeniers I don't mind to learn new things, if you have comments or suggestions they are welcomed. :)" CreationDate="2013-02-07T11:47:03.420" UserId="4229" />
  <row Id="8617" PostId="5227" Score="1" Text="Understanding DNS goes way beyond anything that we could cover in comments but there are some really great articles and books on the subject. The concept of glue records in particular is something a great many people seem to have trouble with. In this instance the important part is what syneticon-dj said, the authorative name servers for the domain do not provide glue. Glue records exist so that we can find those authorative name servers. The distinction is really important." CreationDate="2013-02-08T02:05:19.853" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8618" PostId="5227" Score="0" Text="Indeed, DNS is very complex and many have problems understanding it, this is why I developed this tool. I wanted to share with everyone what I've learned about DNS and to help people find their DNS problems. Thank you for your observation!" CreationDate="2013-02-08T09:36:00.697" UserId="4229" />
  <row Id="8620" PostId="5227" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure it would cause any delays in resolving. If you do a dig +trace ns4.serverfault.com, you get the proper IP." CreationDate="2013-02-08T20:23:07.187" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="8626" PostId="5227" Score="1" Text="dig +trace is using your local DNS resolver to resolve names." CreationDate="2013-02-09T10:46:25.487" UserId="4229" />
  <row Id="8634" PostId="5227" Score="0" Text="@vitalie, actually no. The +trace will trace the delegation path starting from the root name servers in order to resolve. So starting from the root servers, then the gtld servers, then serverfault's name servers." CreationDate="2013-02-11T17:44:26.307" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="8635" PostId="5227" Score="1" Text="It will start from root name servers but it will resolve names using local resolver. Make a simple test, start a tcpdump while running query or just remove temporarily your name servers from /etc/resolv.conf." CreationDate="2013-02-11T20:25:31.780" UserId="4229" />
  <row Id="8641" PostId="5227" Score="0" Text="@vitalie again...that's wrong. Your DNS server in resolv.conf will give you the IPs of all the root servers. Those will give you the GTLD servers responsible for that domain and finally you will get the results from the SOA. By removing the name servers from /etc/resolv.conf you are just briking the first step. That's all. Just look at the results from dig `Received 169 bytes from 198.252.206.80#53(ns1.serverfault.com) in 22 ms` or `Received 135 bytes from 192.31.80.30#53(d.gtld-servers.net) in 36 ms`" CreationDate="2013-02-11T20:56:54.203" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="8648" PostId="5227" Score="1" Text="I'm trying to tell you that dig +trace is acting as recursive name server just partially. It will follow referrals (authority section) from root servers but it will resolve name servers names through your DNS caching server." CreationDate="2013-02-12T08:05:06.853" UserId="4229" />
  <row Id="8649" PostId="5227" Score="1" Text="Start a tcpdump before launching dig command to see what I mean (Ex: tcpdump -i eth0 -n src 8.8.8.8 \or dst 8.8.8.8)." CreationDate="2013-02-12T08:08:38.613" UserId="4229" />
  <row Id="8758" PostId="5227" Score="2" Text="After trying a few times to explain in 600 characters or less why vitalie is right about the behavior of `+trace`, I eventually gave up and did a [self Q&amp;A](http://serverfault.com/q/482913/152073) that covers the topic in-depth." CreationDate="2013-02-27T08:00:19.170" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="8619" PostId="5228" Score="3" Text="What you call retardness from your Campus IT team, I call due diligence for not allowing AND helping you to get around network security and transgress your University's usage agreement." CreationDate="2013-02-08T19:49:25.800" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="8621" PostId="5228" Score="0" Text="if you think their network is super secure and my request would be a security breach, you honestly should come and see how awful and insecure most of their network is. i am calling them retards for a reason, not because i'm angry or anything." CreationDate="2013-02-08T21:27:34.250" UserId="86171" />
  <row Id="8622" PostId="5229" Score="0" Text="ok, I thought it was appropriate to ask network-related issues here without being an IT manager, that's my mistake, but I have no idea why you've highlighted the second part." CreationDate="2013-02-08T21:32:04.083" UserId="86171" />
  <row Id="8623" PostId="5229" Score="1" Text="@canpoyrazoğlu  Because you're asking for help circumventing security or policy (your university's NAT scheme), and your UDP hole idea could be seen as hacking and/or system misuse.  If one of my users tried something like that on my network, they'd have my boot so far up their ass they'd be able to feel it in the back of their throat." CreationDate="2013-02-08T21:48:03.833" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="8624" PostId="5229" Score="0" Text="well it &quot;could&quot; be seen as a misuse if not analyzed correctly. but the whole intention is to be able to connect to my own PC which is behind a NAT. i'm not into any malicious act. i would do it at my home network, and I'm actually living there, and I need a way to access my PC. in addition, lots of legitimate programs and games already utilize this, so from that perspective, using any of these programs would also be considered misuse. i don't remember signing any contract regarding these aspects of &quot;misuse&quot;. i don't think anyone should sue someone without malicious intent for udp punching." CreationDate="2013-02-08T22:23:40.470" UserId="86171" />
  <row Id="8625" PostId="5229" Score="3" Text="@canpoyrazoğlu You really don't need to convince me; I could only tolerate one quarter of living in dorms when I was in school.  But even if we accept that you're completely right, you're still trying to circumvent policy (which is misuse of the network), still in a home setting, and still not functioning in a professional capacity, so the question's off topic." CreationDate="2013-02-08T22:47:20.273" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="8686" PostId="5231" Score="0" Text="Whee, 22 votes. So, erm, any chance of getting this changed? Would a dialogue or a warning suffice? (&quot;This short edit looks like an annoying nitpick. Please don't, unless it's important.&quot;)" CreationDate="2013-02-18T23:58:18.013" UserId="68259" />
  <row Id="8721" PostId="5231" Score="0" Text="It's also very often there is only a need to add format to questions (e.g. add preformatted text format). I tried edit a question today to make it easier to read, but decided to let it be because of this rule." CreationDate="2013-02-21T13:04:49.270" UserId="157542" />
  <row Id="8628" PostId="5232" Score="12" Text="Yeah, excellent - an incentive to reduce the quality of answers :/" CreationDate="2013-02-11T02:16:59.000" UserId="68259" />
  <row Id="8629" PostId="5232" Score="3" Text="Haha, well I theorise that most poor answerers probably dont understand Unicode. If you are smart enough to interpret the instructions above, then you have proven yourself worthy of wielding the power of bypassing the rules." CreationDate="2013-02-11T04:47:08.707" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8633" PostId="5232" Score="8" Text="&lt;!--- HTML Comments also work very well in answers. I'm Just Sayin' ---&gt;" CreationDate="2013-02-11T16:20:06.027" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8645" PostId="5232" Score="0" Text="Hmmm... that's a whole lot easier to remember than Unicode." CreationDate="2013-02-12T01:21:30.637" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8646" PostId="5232" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 - I didn't think HTML comments were counted in edits any more?" CreationDate="2013-02-12T02:24:47.130" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8647" PostId="5232" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson they might not be - they do still work on answers though last I checked" CreationDate="2013-02-12T03:27:48.083" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8654" PostId="5232" Score="6" Text="@SteveBennett `Look, that's why there's rules, understand? So that you think before you break'em.` - Lu-Tze, *The Thief of Time*." CreationDate="2013-02-12T11:34:03.357" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8657" PostId="5232" Score="0" Text="I suspect most non-unicode aware users end up padding a few dead spaces at the end of the message.  I know I've seen &quot;and padding spaces to get 6 chars&quot; edit comments more than once." CreationDate="2013-02-12T20:38:58.097" UserId="34835" />
  <row Id="8658" PostId="5232" Score="2" Text="@DanNeely - hmm, I was 99% sure that spacing at the end of comments also didn't count (as counts were taken after a trim)." CreationDate="2013-02-12T22:46:11.673" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8659" PostId="5232" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson maybe they closed that loophole at some point; I don't want to create a bogo edit on a real question just to test it." CreationDate="2013-02-12T23:15:12.897" UserId="34835" />
  <row Id="8660" PostId="5232" Score="7" Text="This discussion is hilarious." CreationDate="2013-02-13T03:08:21.163" UserId="57332" />
  <row Id="8683" PostId="5232" Score="2" Text="I just want to point out that the second hit I get when I google for `u+200b` is http://superuser.com/questions/156640/how-can-i-type-u200b-character `:)`" CreationDate="2013-02-17T20:29:44.010" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="8656" PostId="5233" Score="6" Text="Yep, this is a useless rule and reminds me of &quot;Your username must have at least X characters&quot; No it doesn't!" CreationDate="2013-02-12T15:19:01.803" UserId="87408" />
  <row Id="8632" PostId="5234" Score="7" Text="Just as a friendly aside, if you control both endpoints **please please please** use something other than FTP." CreationDate="2013-02-11T15:28:43.043" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8650" PostId="5234" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra That comment could have been so much more useful with examples of alternatives! :)" CreationDate="2013-02-12T09:38:38.410" UserId="158461" />
  <row Id="8655" PostId="5234" Score="0" Text="Anything with encryption :) FTP sends everything, including credentials, in plaintext." CreationDate="2013-02-12T12:01:32.367" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8630" PostId="5235" Score="0" Text="OK. I'm running both sides here. The issue is I've written a .NET program to upload a file via FTP to my VPS. Dreamweaver connects via FTP fine, so the issue is either a set up on my VPS or my code. As it could be either, I was concerned about posting on SO incase they send me here or SU. Still try on SU?" CreationDate="2013-02-11T11:04:18.850" UserId="158461" />
  <row Id="8631" PostId="5235" Score="3" Text="In the circumstances you describe, controlling both ends of the connection, it's either here or SO." CreationDate="2013-02-11T12:03:52.910" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8644" PostId="5235" Score="0" Text="Given that FTP works fine for Dreamweaver but not your code the question has to be programming related, which makes SO the clear-cut winner." CreationDate="2013-02-12T01:20:16.330" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8651" PostId="5235" Score="0" Text="It did go on SU, simply because it worked with Dreamweaver and not with Windows Explorer! Thank you all" CreationDate="2013-02-12T09:39:53.573" UserId="158461" />
  <row Id="8680" PostId="5238" Score="1" Text="Then please explain how is this not a real question: http://serverfault.com/questions/479344/progressively-decreasing-8kb-disk-block-sizes&#xA;Also do explain why you deleted your snarky comments from that post and then voted to close it to hide your tracks." CreationDate="2013-02-17T01:35:54.057" UserId="87065" />
  <row Id="8681" PostId="5238" Score="2" Text="I don't need to explain anything to you or anyone else. read the FAQ and find out for yourself. I made no &quot;snarky&quot; comment, nor have I deleted any comments made on your posts. As for the closing, I was but one of five who closed those &quot;questions&quot;. You appear to be taking very personally something that happens to a great many people on SF. Grow up and get a life kid." CreationDate="2013-02-17T02:22:23.160" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8684" PostId="5238" Score="0" Text="I see that question has been reopened, not by votes but by a moderator. If that's the way the site is being run now you're right, it's time for me to retire. From SF at least." CreationDate="2013-02-18T01:44:41.757" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8741" PostId="5238" Score="2" Text="@MXX we can obviously see you've not read the [FaQ] as one of the sections says `Civility is required at all times; rudeness will not be tolerated. Be Nice.&quot; You're acting like you've chucked your toys right out of the pram because a question was closed." CreationDate="2013-02-25T11:08:17.063" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8742" PostId="5238" Score="1" Text="@tombull89 same does not apply to John Gardeniers' inconsiderate and dismissive replies?" CreationDate="2013-02-25T14:35:06.557" UserId="87065" />
  <row Id="8743" PostId="5238" Score="0" Text="Mxx of course it does. But after spending some time on ServerFault and other StackExchange sites you tend to get sick of people whining that their question was closed. It happens. If you have an issue with a user, moderator, or the way the site is run start a new question on Meta.ServerFault (QUESTION, not rant). If you're still not happy, take it to Meta.StackOverflow." CreationDate="2013-02-25T14:44:00.230" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8744" PostId="5238" Score="0" Text="The above comment was edited after I posted my response." CreationDate="2013-02-25T14:51:47.353" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8652" PostId="5239" Score="2" Text="What you've said though indicates to me that the question should have been edited rather than closed. If someone takes enough time to read through it and actually found a question, then it should be adjusted to suit." CreationDate="2013-02-12T09:47:12.663" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8653" PostId="5239" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson: I guess so, but nobody did because (I also guess) they didn't get past the first paragraph." CreationDate="2013-02-12T09:57:53.033" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8661" PostId="5240" Score="1" Text="This is a nice writeup but it should be mentioned that the glue record for ns4.serverfault.com *really* appears to be incorrect and *should* be changed. Which I suppose was one of the intentions of the question." CreationDate="2013-02-13T14:00:05.877" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8662" PostId="5240" Score="0" Text="You're right, I edited the answer to reflect that." CreationDate="2013-02-13T15:07:15.157" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="8663" PostId="5240" Score="0" Text="_l.gtld-servers.net gives the delegated name server and my PC **ask my resolver** for the **IP of each** one of them. (with RD flag)_ - I'm really bad at explainging things :), this is what I'm trying to tell you, dig is asking your resolver to do the dirty job for you: resolve ns{1,2,3}.serverfault.com." CreationDate="2013-02-13T17:03:38.443" UserId="4229" />
  <row Id="8664" PostId="5241" Score="0" Text="tags are added on a per-site basis. It depends on the audience as well, do you see many TickZoom questions here on ServerFault, or more on StackOverflow (which has a programming background rather than ServerFaults sysadmin one)." CreationDate="2013-02-14T12:22:15.873" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8666" PostId="5241" Score="0" Text="@tomebull89  Good point. We can wait till there are organic questions by users. We expect plenty of questions related to installing, setting up and configuring it after we roll out our new site which will point users here for those questions." CreationDate="2013-02-14T12:35:05.347" UserId="46299" />
  <row Id="8667" PostId="5241" Score="2" Text="There is this question on Meta.StackOverflow [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3966/is-it-okay-to-use-stack-overflow-as-the-support-forum-for-a-product-or-project) - the odd question is okay but completely outsourcing support to StackExchange sites isn't really on." CreationDate="2013-02-14T12:39:22.240" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8668" PostId="5241" Score="0" Text="Oh, I've seen you've asked the same question on Meta.StackOveflow. Never mind." CreationDate="2013-02-14T12:40:00.927" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8670" PostId="5241" Score="2" Text="Respectfully, Server Fault isn't really intended to be &quot;Technical Support For The Internet&quot; - you should not be encouraging your users to post product-specific questions on Server Fault, nor using it as your company's knowledgebase" CreationDate="2013-02-14T18:10:48.633" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8671" PostId="5241" Score="5" Text="@Wayne `which will point users here for those questions.` No. Please don't. StackExchange isn't meant to be your technical support forum. Having a support forum on your own site is fine, and using it alongside a StackExchange presence is good, but using StackExchange just by itself isn't really on." CreationDate="2013-02-14T19:01:09.400" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8673" PostId="5241" Score="2" Text="If you want your customers to be able to ask and answer questions about your product set up your own Q&amp;A site. Don't try to hijack Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2013-02-15T02:32:55.107" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8665" PostId="5242" Score="0" Text="Well I just asked and answered a common installation question with tickzoom. Does that help? Sorry, the purpose is to use stackoverflow and stackexchange for support. But we can wait till later when there a more organic questions by users, if you like." CreationDate="2013-02-14T12:33:29.200" UserId="46299" />
  <row Id="8669" PostId="5242" Score="0" Text="@Wayne: I just looked at your question. We get a whole bunch like that every week and our community generally flags them into touch as spam." CreationDate="2013-02-14T17:02:53.470" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8672" PostId="5243" Score="7" Text="50 rep really isn't that hard to get - you're most of the way there.  You also have at least 20 rep, so you could pop into [Server Fault Chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/127/the-comms-room) and ask one of the folks there to leave a comment for you if it's really urgent though..." CreationDate="2013-02-14T19:04:50.413" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8752" PostId="5244" Score="3" Text="It's also worth noting how trivial it is: posts you make [while your rep is below 10](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/136195/206620) have visibility in the &quot;new posts&quot; review hopper. This not only makes it very easy to get a large amount of rep for your first good answer, but also offers a measure of forgiveness if you were too fast on the draw to post before reading all of the rules." CreationDate="2013-02-26T14:46:44.280" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="8676" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="Didn't that answer get voted to -6 or so?" CreationDate="2013-02-16T07:42:33.973" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8678" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="No, that's not the one." CreationDate="2013-02-16T11:54:53.557" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8736" PostId="5249" Score="1" Text="Just to be nerdy and introduce a hack where none is needed, couldn't OP post an answer himself, accept that answer, and then delete the answer?" CreationDate="2013-02-22T18:40:32.443" UserId="72728" />
  <row Id="8753" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="@kojiro I've done that myself, or asked the answerer to fix his answer. I wonder why he didn't do that, considering he himself knew his answer was wrong?" CreationDate="2013-02-26T22:10:24.520" UserId="94276" />
  <row Id="8677" PostId="5250" Score="4" Text="I was always under the impression that this could not be reversed, even by the OP. Looks like I was wrong." CreationDate="2013-02-16T11:45:32.863" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="8679" PostId="5250" Score="0" Text="Also, even if a moderator deletes the accepted answer it remains accepted." CreationDate="2013-02-16T16:17:17.403" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8675" PostId="5251" Score="6" Text="Fwiw there is a badge for scoring way better than the accepted answer." CreationDate="2013-02-16T07:38:34.933" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8685" PostId="5251" Score="0" Text="http://serverfault.com/badges/62/populist" CreationDate="2013-02-18T17:02:54.533" UserId="15028" />
  <row Id="8688" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="It damn well isn't a duplicate of that question!" CreationDate="2013-02-19T12:38:12.547" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8689" PostId="5252" Score="7" Text="There isn't any need for that tone - please remain civil." CreationDate="2013-02-19T12:42:21.423" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8694" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="Well then please realise how uncivil it is to lazily mark a question as a duplicate without bothering to comment or answer.  I took the time to think about whether it was a new question or not before I created it.  I saw the previous one and am really asking, if it is the case that feeling among people is that this is still a good policy?" CreationDate="2013-02-19T12:58:16.813" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8695" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="With regards to your addendum - my argument isn't that we WILL be help responsible, it's that licensing questions are legal questions by their very nature. As such, they are inherently complex, open to interpretation and the only way to ensure you're the right side of it so to deal directly with the vendor or an authorized third party. Technical advice is **nothing** like legal advice." CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:04:27.950" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="8700" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="I think the point that people are missing is that ANY question is a legal question in that respect.  The subject is irrelevant.  Ironically a tech professional is far less legally responsible giving legal advice than tech advice precisely because it is not their claimed area of expertise!  But the overall assumption which everyone seems to be making which I don't accept is that everyone is qualified to answer a tech question but noone is qualified to answer a legal question.  How do you know that the answerer is not MS certified in licencing for example?" CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:26:51.777" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8701" PostId="5252" Score="1" Text="Okay. Let's say we accept licencing questions. Someone asks on deoplying Windows 7 and someone replys saying &quot;yup, we do this. It costs us X, needs Y and Z&quot;. They do that and then Microsoft picks the OP up and fines them a ton of money because the person that replied works for education and didn't mention it. Whoops. It's a huge area with so many different variables - even EU countires have different laws so you'd have a lot of very localised questions." CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:32:12.720" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8707" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="The problem of not mentioning something vital could just as easily come up with a technical question too.  And have equally as bad consequences for the OP" CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:45:34.563" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8708" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="I guess the real problem is we don't have a satisfactory way of identifying experts and the current methods vaguely work because the general user of this site is a bit technical. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why some stack exchange communities do so much worse than others too." CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:47:52.237" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8709" PostId="5252" Score="1" Text="We're Sysadmins, so we know servers better than we do licensing. If a technical answer is wrong or potentially dangerous, it would get downvoted and likely commented on that it's the wrong thing to do. Also, if you take everything on the internet at face value then, well..." CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:51:43.890" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8710" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="It also may depend on StackExchange themselves - they may not want questions that cover a legal basis." CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:52:28.617" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8712" PostId="5252" Score="1" Text="Still looks like a dupe to me." CreationDate="2013-02-19T15:13:47.337" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8713" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="It's still not.  Merely that stackexchange has no way to deal with staleness or time sensitivity.  That question is 3 years old, the consensus may be the same now but that doesn't make it a waste of time revisiting the issue if only to confirm that that is still the case." CreationDate="2013-02-19T15:38:05.733" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8714" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="(also the question is different in that I specifically ruled out legal advice - although as demonstrated by various responses a lot of people don't understand context (in itself that shows you can't expect them to :P ))" CreationDate="2013-02-19T15:52:11.083" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8715" PostId="5252" Score="2" Text="Just an additional point: what you think of to have a worldwide acceptable answer of &quot;no&quot; simply doesn't. The question does not even address what license programme the licenses are going to be bought under - and Microsoft has plenty. Is it FPP? Is it Open License? Open Value? Enterprise Agreement? Is it SPLA? Is it a School Agreement? Is it something else? Is the licensing model per device or per user? Can *you* with absolute certainty tell that the answer would be &quot;No&quot; for any Microsoft licensing model in all world regions? You can't because you never even heard of most of them? Q.E.D." CreationDate="2013-02-19T16:44:14.727" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8718" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="Can you tell me for certain that the 2nd option of the 3rd menu in IIS is the same in every region around the world?  No.  That doesn't stop people asking and answering IIS questions.  Your example is flawed by the fact that any answer is qualified." CreationDate="2013-02-19T17:23:34.680" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8719" PostId="5252" Score="2" Text="@JamesRyan and if we got questions about &quot;what is the 2nd option of the 3rd menu in IIS&quot; they'd be closed too." CreationDate="2013-02-19T18:58:45.060" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8720" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="But it might be a correct answer.  Pls stop providing contrived examples that are not a true comparison.  It doesn't make your point." CreationDate="2013-02-20T14:19:54.380" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8690" PostId="5253" Score="0" Text="likewise you can be held legally responsible for your technical advice, we should close every single question if we apply the same principles!" CreationDate="2013-02-19T12:48:37.730" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8693" PostId="5253" Score="3" Text="@JamesRyan That's a very flawed argument. Firstly, I doubt it. Secondly, technical advice is fairly easy to test and evaluate. Legal questions are not." CreationDate="2013-02-19T12:57:34.167" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="8697" PostId="5253" Score="0" Text="If you ask someone how, for example, configure a Cisco ASA to do `x` most people would come up with the same route. If you ask a question about licensing, you'll get a multitude of answers due to locations and different businesses." CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:08:48.873" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8702" PostId="5253" Score="0" Text="And how many answers will I get if I ask which web server or OS is better?  Your example is a bit contrived.  Ok so some licencing questions may be region specific but if someone states the region they are certified or knowledgable about in much the same way people mention and applicable OS or tech qualifications, how is that any different?" CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:33:38.930" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8703" PostId="5253" Score="4" Text="If you ask which web server or OS is better it would get closed as not constructive (produces option or debate)." CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:36:26.900" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8705" PostId="5253" Score="0" Text="Ah so if there is already a mechanism to deal with that type of question then that is no valid reason to exclude a wider field by. :)" CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:43:35.173" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8706" PostId="5253" Score="0" Text="I don't know what StackExchange counts as &quot;too localised&quot; but a &quot;region&quot; would probably apply." CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:44:24.833" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="8691" PostId="5254" Score="0" Text="So when someone follows your technical advice and breaks something, would they not have been in a better standing if they could show they went directly to the companies own technical support?" CreationDate="2013-02-19T12:49:55.170" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8692" PostId="5254" Score="2" Text="@JamesRyan: Here on SF we expect people to be professionals. As such they should be able to assess the advice provided and proceed with suitable caution. With licensing you really can’t do that unless you’re a lawyer." CreationDate="2013-02-19T12:56:56.780" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8696" PostId="5254" Score="0" Text="How do we judge an answerer's professional ability though, score?  What if someone has built up answering questions about IIS and then gives bad advice about RAID partitions?  What if an answerer IS a lawyer or licencing professional and has built up their reputation on those type of questions?  At the end of the day a questioner has to take any answer with a pinch of salt because they don't know the skill or correctness of a given answer." CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:08:22.837" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8716" PostId="5254" Score="0" Text="@JamesRyan There is a ***HUGE*** difference between someone being *A* lawyer and someone being *YOUR* lawyer (The former entitles you to nothing; The latter has incumbent rights and responsibilities on both parties). In fact every lawyer I know who talks about law/legal advice in public fora will only do it in the most general terms (even then advising you to seek counsel at the end, and including a disclaimer like &quot;I am a lawyer, but I am not **YOUR** lawyer - If you want to remedy that situation contact me and we can discuss fees and terms&quot;.)" CreationDate="2013-02-19T16:55:26.277" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8717" PostId="5254" Score="0" Text="The exact same legal responsibility falls on professionals giving technical advice too, a lot of people just don't realise that.  You do not have to have been paid for advice to bear a legal responsibility for it. It is not the subject of the advice that makes it a minefield, it is giving advice at all.  Lawyers are cautious because they are particularly aware of this, not because they are talking law (also they like being paid!).  In my question I ruled out legal questions specifically to avoid this confusion." CreationDate="2013-02-19T17:15:08.357" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8698" PostId="5255" Score="0" Text="This is true but isn't the whole point of the stackexchange voting system designed to point out what is a good answer?  We don't question the voters technical ability, how do we know that an answerer ISN'T a lawyer or for example someone MS certified in licencing?" CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:10:50.863" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8699" PostId="5255" Score="2" Text="@JamesRyan The problem comes when the non-domain experts think it's OT/bad. Our question volume is low enough that non-experts can follow everything and vote on things they (wrongly) think is out-of-place. Non-experts outnumber experts by quite a bit on most questions, so the opinion of non-experts _actually matters and can drown out the opinions of experts_. This is a case where _community consensus_ excludes the ability to have a technical-exception to an agreed upon rule." CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:21:01.500" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8704" PostId="5255" Score="0" Text="Ok this is a good point I guess, but ideally we should be able to pick those experts out regardless of a technical or non technical field.  Easier said than done, I have no answer to that :)" CreationDate="2013-02-19T13:37:56.583" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8711" PostId="5255" Score="2" Text="@JamesRyan I know from personal experience that an OT question can be rendered topical if the right answer it dropped on it. However, the Review Queue for close-voting doesn't show answers so that critical piece of feedback is left on the table; questions have to stand on their own merits all by themselves." CreationDate="2013-02-19T14:42:09.407" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8728" PostId="5259" Score="1" Text="Perhaps a different angle to consider: &quot;Downvotes on accepted answers shouldn't cost the answerer reputation&quot;? (though a bad/wrong answer should be &quot;punished&quot; in theory, it really is somewhat unfair since they can't be deleted once accepted)" CreationDate="2013-02-21T23:29:15.113" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8730" PostId="5259" Score="2" Text="In the interim to stop you from getting stomped on by the pile-on downvoters I've ---locked--- deleted your answer for you (apparently mods are immune to the &quot;can't delete if accepted&quot; bit, I didn't think we were)" CreationDate="2013-02-21T23:32:08.300" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8731" PostId="5259" Score="0" Text="I'd go for that, I still feel that the current handling of ACCEPTED answers needs to be changed." CreationDate="2013-02-21T23:32:11.673" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="8732" PostId="5259" Score="0" Text="voretaq7 -- thank you!" CreationDate="2013-02-21T23:32:44.030" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="8735" PostId="5259" Score="0" Text="Am I to understand that if our answers gets unpopular and gets us negative reputation, we can just delete them? How is that not &quot;cheating&quot; the system? Accepted or not, I think it's a little unfair to remove answers in order to stop loosing reputation." CreationDate="2013-02-22T16:11:32.333" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="8745" PostId="5259" Score="0" Text="The aim is not to score points, it is to have good or correct answers.  If people delete a bad or incorrect answer then the feedback system is working as intended!  The only problem here is in not being able to give back the acceptance, and because people are encouraged to keep high acceptance levels wrong answers are quite often accepted." CreationDate="2013-02-25T15:45:22.683" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8723" PostId="5260" Score="3" Text="I see your point, but no further gain beyond going below -1 is really achieved.  Especially since I, as the author, cannot remove or delete the entry the community feels is bad.  In otherwise, the author is STUCK.  I don't believe that is what is intended here." CreationDate="2013-02-21T21:37:23.967" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="8724" PostId="5260" Score="0" Text="@mdpc I actually agree with you - I think it's unfair that you can't delete that answer. To me, editing is a copout, though apparently it's the accepted solution." CreationDate="2013-02-21T21:44:31.903" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="8725" PostId="5260" Score="4" Text="I think that there *is* a benefit to an answer being more than -1. It shows that more than one person thinks it's wrong. It's for that reason that I don't think that there's such a thing as &quot;piling on downvotes&quot;. I vote independently of other votes, I have no problem being the first or 10th downvote on an incorrect answer or bad question. Seeing something that's -5 or -10 removes any doubts that future readers have about the correctness." CreationDate="2013-02-21T23:27:09.770" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8727" PostId="5260" Score="0" Text="That said, at -16 I think it can take a rest" CreationDate="2013-02-21T23:28:53.980" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8729" PostId="5260" Score="1" Text="MDMarra - I am talking about an ACCEPTED answer...not just an answer.  It seems wrong to allow continued downvoting w/o allowing the author to delete the answer." CreationDate="2013-02-21T23:29:58.450" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="8733" PostId="5260" Score="1" Text="I agree that you should be able to delete your own answer whether it's accepted or not. However, your question on meta is saying that if it's accepted it shouldn't be allowed to go negative. Those are two very different things and it's not something I agree with. That's what my comments were about." CreationDate="2013-02-21T23:36:54.423" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8734" PostId="5260" Score="1" Text="Is there a negative rep cap per day? -16 is way over the top for an answer that isn't *harmful* in anyway." CreationDate="2013-02-22T01:42:06.657" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="8746" PostId="5260" Score="0" Text="Rep is not the point of stack exchange, no one has lost anything important by getting -16" CreationDate="2013-02-25T15:50:21.820" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="8726" PostId="5261" Score="0" Text="The logic Jeff is using there is the same logic that prevents moderators from marking an answer as accepted (or unaccepted): &quot;Only the one who asked the question knows if the answer helped&quot;.  It's probably correct in 90% of the cases..." CreationDate="2013-02-21T23:27:38.937" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8738" PostId="5265" Score="0" Text="Can you reliably reproduce the 'bug'?  You might want to contact Microsoft." CreationDate="2013-02-25T08:14:40.303" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="8739" PostId="5265" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache I'm going to try them.  *Reproduce*, yes - *isolate*, not yet.  I'm planning on first installing some third-party graphics apps and games onto a session host first to see if the problem is reproducible outside our own products, since otherwise MS may just blame our engine." CreationDate="2013-02-25T09:47:43.033" UserId="137215" />
  <row Id="8747" PostId="5265" Score="0" Text="I think Chris gave the answer to the general question - now you can take the specific question to the appropriate site (not serverfault)" CreationDate="2013-02-25T19:47:45.893" UserId="48212" />
  <row Id="8765" PostId="5265" Score="1" Text="One last note: Keep in mind that your game probably will require some aspect of [RemoteFX](http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff817578(v=ws.10).aspx) in order to run on a remote desktop. This means you should be at least Server 2008 R2+SP1 and preferably Server 2012, and your devs should have the matching remote desktop client." CreationDate="2013-03-01T05:19:04.850" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8766" PostId="5265" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton Very good point.  We are using Server 2012 and KB2592687 on the clients, and had to do so to get decent performance for this sort of thing." CreationDate="2013-03-01T07:23:00.647" UserId="137215" />
  <row Id="8737" PostId="5266" Score="0" Text="Treat it as though it _is_ a bug and investigate it as such. You should eventually find either the bug in the game engine, or an obscure note on MSDN saying &quot;don't try this on a Remote Desktop unless you...&quot; or something along those lines." CreationDate="2013-02-25T04:27:37.867" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8740" PostId="5266" Score="1" Text="Thank you for the breakdown.  My initial interest is basically whether or not other people running similar apps over RD have encountered this sort of behaviour.  That might help qualify it as either a development issue or an RD issue.  Mind you, I'm thinking most admins want to *stop* people from using games on their session hosts, not the other way around, so the relevance might be limited." CreationDate="2013-02-25T09:52:53.780" UserId="137215" />
  <row Id="8749" PostId="5267" Score="0" Text="This might deserve to be an question on its own, but yes, I've copypasta'd comments into answers before, but with a caveat that this is not *my* answer, please refer to the comments. With any luck it will get a +1 and get the question off the Unanswered queue forever. Otherwise, if it's a pretty shit question, feel free to flag it explaining that it's been answered by the op and nobody else will ever need the question and we'll just nuke it." CreationDate="2013-02-26T06:59:10.463" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8759" PostId="5267" Score="0" Text="We've already discussed this http://meta.serverfault.com/a/1931/9517 and  http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/117251/what-to-do-with-questions-that-have-been-self-resolved-as-a-comment-instead-of-a and" CreationDate="2013-02-28T09:03:56.727" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8760" PostId="5267" Score="2" Text="I was getting grief for this, so started using Community Wiki, grief ends." CreationDate="2013-02-28T19:59:23.087" UserId="35383" />
  <row Id="8762" PostId="5270" Score="0" Text="Some career style questions might be appropriate over on workplace.  Most others are probably more appropriate for places like LOPSA reddit/r/sysadmin." CreationDate="2013-02-28T23:24:36.247" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="8764" PostId="5270" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache please look at the 3rd link I posted." CreationDate="2013-03-01T03:18:34.523" UserId="78219" />
  <row Id="8763" PostId="5271" Score="2" Text="We do have a stack exchange site where [tag:career] questions can be asked - [workplace.se]. (Not for &quot;career advice&quot;, but great for &quot;How should I deal with this backbiting office politicking that goes on in the working world?&quot;)" CreationDate="2013-02-28T23:54:11.943" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8767" PostId="5272" Score="9" Text="I'll note that as a site targeted at professionals, we fully expect you to have put some effort into solving your problem before you come here. We also expect you to have done some research before you come here. Personally, I love helping people that have interesting problems or weird edge cases. What I don't like is someone's basic legwork for them (looking through logs when they haven't yet, looking for knowledge base articles for them). If a question is very basic or poorly explained and the OP shows no proof of trying to resolve the issue on their own, then I'm highly likely to downvote it" CreationDate="2013-03-02T03:38:31.993" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8772" PostId="5272" Score="2" Text="What is the expected breadth of expertise of a professional?  I don't think it's uncommon for an Exchange admin to ask dumb questions about networking or vice versa.  Part of being a &quot;Professional&quot; IMHO is to recognize that each person has something unique to contribute in their subject matter of expertise.  Not much &quot;expertise&quot; is universal, and therefore simple questions (and nieve misunderstandings) that aren't interesting shouldn't be downvoted just because the reader is bored.  It should closed as a dupe or answered." CreationDate="2013-03-03T22:01:55.960" UserId="51457" />
  <row Id="8773" PostId="5272" Score="5" Text="A simple question is different than a question where the asker put, literally, no research into solving him or herself." CreationDate="2013-03-03T22:14:34.250" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8774" PostId="5272" Score="6" Text="Personally, I've found SF one of the less amicable SO sites that I use. I know friendliness isn't the goal, but it helps create a solid community and userbase. I understand from reading this that this is a professional community but I think regular users need to make some effort in steering people toward the type of questions they want, rather than simply down voting. Comments can be provided in a way that helps people ask better questions, rather than just encouraging them to leave the community." CreationDate="2013-03-04T07:55:55.580" UserId="61567" />
  <row Id="8775" PostId="5272" Score="6" Text="@glenstorey I'd agree - and I suggest that most of the regulars who are engaged in the community usually do comment. We respect others and want the community to grow. But its a central pillar of the SO sites that one isn't obliged to do so. Respect is a two way street as well, so a question that's especially egregious in its lack of effort might get short shrift here because that's all it deserves. As I've already said, it's not that this site is 'unfriendly', rather that it expects certain standards from its friends." CreationDate="2013-03-04T08:20:42.057" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8777" PostId="5272" Score="2" Text="@glenstorey We really try to judge the &quot;Professional IT&quot; quality of a Question on the content of the question. Quickly skimming your profile: You're a Teacher who does some Web Development - you are 100% outside the target audience we're trying to reach. I am not trying to imply that we don't care about your problems - problems on SF have to live up to a Professional Quality that is expected of a System Administrator (et al). Also SF is NOT part of SO; SF and SO are part of [SE]." CreationDate="2013-03-04T14:25:50.677" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8778" PostId="5272" Score="0" Text="I just [posted a &quot;answer your own question&quot; type of post](http://serverfault.com/q/484481/51457)  The intent is to share information in the context of performance troubleshooting.  I never heard of fltmc before and discovered it while troubleshooting Exchange and Blackberry servers yesterday.  I wonder how the +- votes will go on that." CreationDate="2013-03-04T14:39:21.913" UserId="51457" />
  <row Id="8781" PostId="5272" Score="3" Text="@ChrisS In my defence I am the network admin of the school - we have between 200 and 500 connected devices at any point. I'm not a Network Professional, but I'm dealing with networking everyday. Thanks for the correction re: SF/SO; my mistake" CreationDate="2013-03-04T16:59:36.893" UserId="61567" />
  <row Id="8769" PostId="5273" Score="3" Text="You forgot an important point: Serverfault was created for professionals." CreationDate="2013-03-03T10:27:07.220" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8770" PostId="5273" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton: oooh yes, so I did." CreationDate="2013-03-03T10:49:39.670" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8795" PostId="5274" Score="0" Text="I can tell you from experience that SF does treat questions differently from other SF sites. I believe that the emphasis on professional questions means that SF gets proportionally more off-topic and poor quality questions that other sites; given this, SF users are quick to judge good, on-topic questions as poor, off-topic questions. I am an avid Stack Exchange user and my company's syadmin. I take time to research questions and spent time asking them in detail. Nowhere else do my questions get downvotes like they don on SF. Espescially if they're about certain topics." CreationDate="2013-03-08T13:18:24.133" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="8814" PostId="5274" Score="0" Text="Can you point us to some examples of questions you've asked that are on-topic and well-researched that nevertheless garner downvotes?" CreationDate="2013-03-13T09:35:26.280" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="8768" PostId="5276" Score="0" Text="+1 This is useful.  I should focus my DataExplorer queries on the answer vote count and not so heavily on the question vote count." CreationDate="2013-03-02T15:28:09.770" UserId="51457" />
  <row Id="8771" PostId="5276" Score="3" Text="To be honest I think we set the bar for professionalism very low, so if people can't even get over it then ..." CreationDate="2013-03-03T19:46:59.830" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8779" PostId="5276" Score="1" Text="To make it a bit more clear regarding the &quot;regulars&quot; over the last month: **4 Users contributed 11% of all answers**. 17 contributed 25%. 91 Users contributed 50%. There were a total of 3610 answers from 1340 users in that time period. Of the 7000+ Users over the last 6 months: one user posted 1 out of every 35. (Stats coaxed out of http://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/82390/most-active-answerers)" CreationDate="2013-03-04T14:42:47.053" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8805" PostId="5277" Score="1" Text="this is indeed a very serious issue!" CreationDate="2013-03-12T04:00:54.067" UserId="48344" />
  <row Id="8815" PostId="5277" Score="0" Text="btw i was just kidding regarding the comment above" CreationDate="2013-03-13T19:02:31.683" UserId="48344" />
  <row Id="8802" PostId="5280" Score="0" Text="In my experience, at least on some other SE sites, users who have created multiple accounts unintentionally *often* follow instructions to use the *contact us* link to merge them." CreationDate="2013-03-11T10:25:02.720" UserId="99345" />
  <row Id="8804" PostId="5280" Score="0" Text="It's only been necessary for users to contact the team for the last month. Before that moderators could handle it. I see unmerged accounts almost daily; but can't fix them anymore. I sincerely doubt that user request merges in any sort of frequency that could be characterized as &quot;often&quot; on Server Fault. And I have a hard time believing that users on other sites generally care about organization and site-cleanliness more than SysAdmins. Perhaps it is just SF users though. Perhaps I'm bitter that the mistakes of poorly-chosen moderators on other sites screws me over and over." CreationDate="2013-03-11T13:50:59.110" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8806" PostId="5280" Score="0" Text="I think most users who request account merges for themselves don't do so primarily out of concern for the well-being of the site as a whole, but so that they can comment on their own posts and on answers to their questions, edit their posts more easily, and (though maybe this is not as much of a motivation) accept answers. Emphasizing these benefits may help encourage merges. Since I think the driving force behind users requesting merges is not concern for &quot;organization and site-cleanliness,&quot; I wouldn't expect sysadmins or any other group to request them more or less often than other users." CreationDate="2013-03-12T05:25:16.683" UserId="99345" />
  <row Id="8782" PostId="5281" Score="2" Text="Please don't migrate basic support questions/bug reports to Meta Stack Overflow. There's no need. We monitor all child metas already, and the question was raised within this community, so shuffling it over serves little purpose." CreationDate="2013-03-04T22:33:04.603" UserId="101854" />
  <row Id="8786" PostId="5283" Score="5" Text="I can't help thinking that the question should have been closed as 'not constructive' rather than off topic, but on the whole I don't see it as a good question. The answer to any hard drive failure question is &quot;Diagnose it, if it's bad throw it away and get another one, if the data on it was important then you'll have a backup, so restore the backup&quot;. There's not much else that can be said. This isn't a SSD issue (normal drives can fail after 3 months) or a fault with SMART (it tries to predict when a failure might happen, absence of a prediction isn't a predition that it won't fail anyway)" CreationDate="2013-03-06T17:24:48.253" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8789" PostId="5283" Score="0" Text="Sorry, then the aim of my question was not clear. I didn't necessarily want to diagnose what's wrong with this particular drive. I wanted to know: why is auto reallocate failing (am I doing it wrong?) and is there anything I missed in the SMART data (am I reading it wrong?). I've edited the question to make it clearer why I posted it here and what I'm looking for. Thanks for the advice." CreationDate="2013-03-06T17:45:38.687" UserId="132219" />
  <row Id="8787" PostId="5284" Score="2" Text="Agreed - About the only reason I can think of that this got closed as off-topic is the possibly-incorrect assumption that nobody in their right mind would put a Kingston SSD in a server destined for use in a professional environment (i.e. people incorrectly assumed it was a &quot;home use&quot; question).  That said, [RobM's comment pretty much sums up how we treat hard drive failure questions](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5283/why-was-my-question-closed-as-off-topic#comment8786_5283). We should probably find a [canonical question](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1986)for them." CreationDate="2013-03-06T17:29:03.600" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8788" PostId="5284" Score="0" Text="This is an offline content cache server for schools in rural zambia. All the content is replaceable. It has to be cheap because schools are budget-limited and there will be a lot of them. But it also has to be reliable because it might be 8 hours each way on bad roads to replace. I'm not allowed to ask here what drives are not &quot;ultra-cheap crap&quot;. I thought maybe a SECURITY ERASE might fix the bad sectors, but wanted opinions of others, or on what I might have missed in the SMART data." CreationDate="2013-03-06T17:33:18.667" UserId="132219" />
  <row Id="8790" PostId="5284" Score="3" Text="Cheap has different meanings. Most people think of cheap as low CapEx, which Kingston certainly is. But in &quot;professional&quot; situations TCO should be the measure of cheap. The Kingston drives are going to be somewhat more likely to fail that many other brands, and the drive/downtime OpEx to replace is certainly going to eat up any savings in CapEx. There are reviews around the net for reliable SSDs ([I personally use SandForce 2000 or newer based products](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SandForce#SSDs))." CreationDate="2013-03-06T17:56:21.927" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8791" PostId="5284" Score="0" Text="Thanks Chris. I agree with your assessment of the opex of using cheap drives, but I'm having difficulty persuading the project owner. I did try to find those reliability surveys without much luck (no hard data yet). It seems from my research that this particular drive is an SSDNow V+200 which is a SF-2281 controller? So this drive would meet your criteria?" CreationDate="2013-03-06T20:07:42.200" UserId="132219" />
  <row Id="22917" PostId="5284" Score="0" Text="I wonder why was [this one](https://serverfault.com/questions/352045/what-effects-do-magnets-have-on-hdds-and-ssds) closed as off-topic. Is this the wrong site to ask hardware-related questions?" CreationDate="2020-10-29T19:15:28.883" UserId="598641" />
  <row Id="8796" PostId="5290" Score="0" Text="Looks like that gave me the missing 20 rep.  It doesn't show up beside the upvotes when I go to my profile's reputation tab, but the rep did increase.  Probably that page is just cached/takes awhile to update.  Thank you." CreationDate="2013-03-08T15:04:00.643" UserId="108667" />
  <row Id="8797" PostId="5290" Score="0" Text="Your User Profile page is cached for up to 30 minutes. Weird fluke... It probably happens a lot, but there are automatic rep-recalcs weekly or so. I'm sure most wouldn't notice." CreationDate="2013-03-08T15:06:44.457" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8800" PostId="5290" Score="0" Text="I simply would not even care - it's just rep, it's not like it is going to turn into gold one day..." CreationDate="2013-03-08T22:47:51.340" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8801" PostId="5294" Score="0" Text="D'oh.  For some reason I was thinking the answer should show 65 points. I know better; I blame it on the drink." CreationDate="2013-03-10T00:10:18.453" UserId="10380" />
  <row Id="8803" PostId="5295" Score="4" Text="To add to what Iain's saying, you can of course pop into the commns room, the chat room for server fault and ask there. Are you collecting war stories, researching something or what are you working towards here? While Iain's right that this is off-topic on the main site, if there's something helpful we can do or another more suitable place we can refer you to depending on what you're after, we're happy to do that." CreationDate="2013-03-11T11:07:49.590" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8807" PostId="5295" Score="0" Text="@RobM thanks for these suggestions. &#xA;&#xA;What is my purpose here?I am researching on how to go from programmer to infosec or network engineer. One motivation that underlies this is the need to not work *all* hrs. behind a desk. I also want to know if I can handle a NOC role and what difficulties to expect." CreationDate="2013-03-12T06:33:08.663" UserId="78219" />
  <row Id="8811" PostId="5295" Score="0" Text="That's one for chat, certainly. Not only can you try out a few questions but you can see what a few years in one of those roles does to your state of mind. Our chat room isn't known as the mos eisley canteena of stack exchange for nothing." CreationDate="2013-03-12T08:56:06.030" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8808" PostId="5296" Score="0" Text="@lain so I suppose if I rephrased this question as a &quot;problem I face&quot;,  e.g. I want to know if I am prepared to handle the tougher NOC problems, it's still too open-ended." CreationDate="2013-03-12T06:45:51.750" UserId="78219" />
  <row Id="8809" PostId="5296" Score="0" Text="@T.Webster: You're right career style questions don't go down well on the main site. Chat here on SF or on security.stackexchange.com are better places to ask." CreationDate="2013-03-12T07:28:56.367" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8812" PostId="5299" Score="4" Text="For what it's worth, two people rejected it, not just yourself; as would have I had I seen it. Unfortunately I can't see a way for mods to override the decision." CreationDate="2013-03-13T01:17:03.737" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="8813" PostId="5299" Score="3" Text="I rejected it as well. It looked like there was a lot of changes within the code block that weren't in the original. This really wasn't obvious at all from the review screen. Whoops!" CreationDate="2013-03-13T05:34:59.027" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8816" PostId="5299" Score="7" Text="Am I the only one whose default Review view is &quot;markdown diffs&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-03-14T18:29:41.013" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8818" PostId="5299" Score="0" Text="[Related MSO question](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/88096/change-edit-approval-rejection)" CreationDate="2013-03-15T11:52:23.250" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="8817" PostId="5300" Score="2" Text="It kinda gives credit where credit is due. The editor doesn't get closer to a badge nor does he get his +2. This really should be asked on MSO as the system should be able to have these rejects overridden if people realize a mistake was made IMO." CreationDate="2013-03-15T11:50:52.550" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="8826" PostId="5300" Score="1" Text="@Josh Should accepts also be overridden, so that someone who submitted a bad edit that was wrongly accepted will lose their +2?" CreationDate="2013-03-16T01:24:47.153" UserId="99345" />
  <row Id="8827" PostId="5300" Score="0" Text="I don't think that's as important, especially because we have a way to roll back bad edits already. I would have to consider this but a possible solution would be if a suggested edit is rolled back then the +2 rep is removed. Not sure if I like that however." CreationDate="2013-03-16T12:37:34.267" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="8851" PostId="5300" Score="1" Text="@Josh: I'd say the edit approval roll-backs should not undo the +2, but edit rejection corrections to approvals should add them. This would let 2 reputation 'slip', but on the other hand, would reduce friction/disgruntlement (sp?)" CreationDate="2013-03-24T20:26:31.553" UserId="113898" />
  <row Id="10174" PostId="5300" Score="1" Text="Meh. It's only +2. It's not that important." CreationDate="2013-05-01T16:57:21.627" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="8819" PostId="5301" Score="0" Text="I think this is a valid Meta question, but probably belongs on http://meta.stackoverflow.com -- they handle the &quot;how SE works&quot; questions.  The &quot;Yes, that's the correct way.&quot; answer *was* a real answer at one point, but it has since been deleted." CreationDate="2013-03-15T18:27:28.587" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="8820" PostId="5301" Score="6" Text="That was an actual answer, If you had 10k rep you could see that it was deleted by a mod which is probably what put it into the test queue. Honestly, this whole test queue thing sucks." CreationDate="2013-03-15T18:44:11.613" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="8821" PostId="5301" Score="4" Text="It certainly isn't a high quality answer.  I usually would have used a comment to say something like `yes that is the way`.  Then I probably would have looked very close to see if the question needed to be closed. A question that only had that as a valid answer usually isn't very well written." CreationDate="2013-03-15T18:47:51.447" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="8824" PostId="5301" Score="1" Text="I almost failed this exact test... ;-)" CreationDate="2013-03-15T19:57:00.353" UserId="115189" />
  <row Id="8825" PostId="5301" Score="6" Text="@Zoredache  While it's not exactly a high quality answer, that's not necessarily the same as an answer deserving a delete vote, a downvote and/or a flag. Like Chris points out in his answer, the review audit system is supposed to providing tests with example that are clear-cut right or wrong, and it's not, due to the current implementation used to select audit material.  Yippie, devops." CreationDate="2013-03-15T19:59:37.323" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="8828" PostId="5301" Score="3" Text="I failed the same thing and others which are equally gray area stuff where I disagreed with this audit systems view of things. For what it's worth, this crap has reduced my motivation to review to zero." CreationDate="2013-03-16T17:14:53.390" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8822" PostId="5302" Score="0" Text="What do you mean by &quot;graded&quot;? Selecting as &quot;this answer should be used for review tests&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-03-15T19:03:51.113" UserId="158153" />
  <row Id="8823" PostId="5302" Score="0" Text="Rewrote most of my post. See edit." CreationDate="2013-03-15T19:07:40.730" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8838" PostId="5302" Score="0" Text="I just got one too which looked like it got closed because it was answered by someone promoting a tool they wrote.  However, it had a comment that pointed this conflict of interest out already, and was otherwise a valid answer so I clicked Leave Open.  So this is a beta test right?  Or just wasting peoples time?" CreationDate="2013-03-19T11:33:42.070" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="8843" PostId="5302" Score="0" Text="The system is still in &quot;Beta&quot;, it's only on the trilogy sites, and only certain audit failures lead to review-bans right now. The Devs are looking at the failure rates, what's causing high failures, etc. They've been taking their time with it, so I wouldn't expect dramatic improvements soon; but they'll get there." CreationDate="2013-03-19T13:52:47.067" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8830" PostId="5305" Score="1" Text="Users below 3K reputation use flags to bring off-topic, etc., posts to  attention." CreationDate="2013-03-17T17:36:09.633" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8836" PostId="5305" Score="0" Text="Ah, yes, 250 rep is enough only for *your own* questions. I overlooked that part... Anyway, I still think it's not a good idea to flag in this case. Get the rep and you can vote, don't bother the mods with this if you don't have enough rep." CreationDate="2013-03-18T13:29:40.350" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8837" PostId="5305" Score="2" Text="These flags are also visible to 20K users, who can then vote to close the question or decline the flag." CreationDate="2013-03-18T13:32:08.403" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8839" PostId="5305" Score="1" Text="*Don't bother the mods with this if you don't have enough rep* goes against the entire design of the system." CreationDate="2013-03-19T13:09:44.777" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="8840" PostId="5305" Score="1" Text="@AndrewB: Well, I think that many aspects of the system are just a load of crap, often creating all the wrong incentives. Really, why on earth would you want to force people to take some completely unnecessary action (act upon your flag) just to increase a completely arbitrary and meaningless number in your account? You are stealing peoples time and no one benefits from it, not even yourself." CreationDate="2013-03-19T13:26:04.847" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8841" PostId="5305" Score="0" Text="IMHO, they should drop the badge system or at least eliminate badges that lead to people doing useless busywork. But no, instead of eliminating the wrong incentives, they prefer to create badly working systems like the review audit to counter people blindly clicking the review buttons to get some stupid badges." CreationDate="2013-03-19T13:28:36.807" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8842" PostId="5305" Score="0" Text="NB: This was written as a reply to the original version of your comment." CreationDate="2013-03-19T13:30:48.927" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="8844" PostId="5305" Score="0" Text="As I understood it, the flagging system for &lt;3000 rep was so that people with lower rep could *help* the people with higher rep keep everything clean without having to do all of the work themselves. Your intentions may be good, but the attitude (outside of some badges encouraging legitimately bad behaviors) has been coming across as somewhat elitist. My flagging has been done with the thought that I was being a helpful part of the system (i.e. quick turnarounds on getting crap removed), but any newbies who come across this convo are going to get an entirely different impression of things." CreationDate="2013-03-19T15:12:23.877" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="8845" PostId="5305" Score="0" Text="Side note, this is becoming an extended discussion that somewhat OT for the question originally asked. I think this really merits its own question and a wider audience." CreationDate="2013-03-19T15:17:35.753" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="8832" PostId="5306" Score="0" Text="That's pretty much the vibe I'm getting: anything that could go to Unix.SE could potentially go to SU as well, barring some very narrow cases. (*nix on unusual hardware platforms, like gaming consoles, can only to Unix.SE) In practice, I'm finding that it's statistically narrow that anything flagged for Unix.SE ever gets sent there. This is probably fine as-is, I just opted for a sanity check." CreationDate="2013-03-17T17:46:32.723" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="8833" PostId="5306" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB:This is interesting http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/03/respect-the-community-your-own-and-others/" CreationDate="2013-03-17T18:47:43.020" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8834" PostId="5306" Score="0" Text="@lain The trailing whitespace is causing that to return a 404. Thanks for nudging in me in that direction though." CreationDate="2013-03-17T19:27:21.230" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="8835" PostId="5306" Score="0" Text="Unix.SE fits completely within SU in my opinion; with the exception of professional environment questions, which overlap with SF. But otherwise Unix has no unique angle to it. With that basis, anything that is well-written, OT for SF, and completely *nix topically gets migrated to Unix.SE. If it's well-written, OT, and not completely *nix then SU. But that's my simplistic view." CreationDate="2013-03-18T03:04:42.600" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8846" PostId="5308" Score="0" Text="Cheers - take a look at http://serverfault.com/questions/489628/can-you-help-me-with-my-software-dependency-issue" CreationDate="2013-03-20T12:28:35.227" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="8849" PostId="5310" Score="4" Text="FWIW, there's a proposal for a Networking Engineering SE site: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/52519/network-engineering?referrer=a6pAHm9j2fmGFjXXhw75VA2" CreationDate="2013-03-22T04:24:44.960" UserId="130858" />
  <row Id="21334" PostId="5310" Score="0" Text="For completeness: http://networkengineering.stackexchange.com/" CreationDate="2016-09-28T03:51:48.667" UserId="371763" />
  <row Id="8864" PostId="5311" Score="0" Text="After crawling through some 2000 pages of the CCNA official cert guide, I can see some of that now.&#xA;I don't know any real-life mentors. I'd like to ask what a network engineer does day-to-day, but that question got closed - next comment- &#xA;Are there any sites where that question wouldn't be off-topic?" CreationDate="2013-03-28T05:05:24.257" UserId="78219" />
  <row Id="8865" PostId="5311" Score="0" Text="http://discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/9817/day-in-the-life-of-a-network-eng‌​ineer" CreationDate="2013-03-28T05:06:02.260" UserId="78219" />
  <row Id="8874" PostId="5311" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately the answer is 'no', the community decided career-type questions are off-topic on SF. You can drop by [chat] and ask, but I don't think we have many network engineers around (they're pretty scarce in the business world, usually only very large companies and consulting firms would have them). I would imagine they split their time like most other IT Admins: troubleshooting, upgrading, monitoring, reporting, with a small doses of planning/engineering and major upgrades." CreationDate="2013-03-28T13:00:09.013" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8848" PostId="5312" Score="5" Text="Voretaq's answer is correct in your case. In the more general case one would open a new question, reference the old, and explain why the new is different (and not answered by the old). But each situation is different..." CreationDate="2013-03-21T18:47:27.307" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8850" PostId="5315" Score="0" Text="Thanks.  Actually I already have a website in production that is handling around 1 MM records in 10 minutes (number of concurrent users is low but the volume of transaction is high).  The volume is going to increase as we rollout the service for more  countries and more products.  My specific goal is to start monitoring the website in the production so that I can understand how the site is holding up during peak usage and during new country / product rollout as well as to start collecting metrics and use it to scale the site in preparation for new country / product rollout." CreationDate="2013-03-23T07:38:01.850" UserId="94988" />
  <row Id="8852" PostId="5315" Score="4" Text="Sounds like you probably need to hire someone who specialises in scalability." CreationDate="2013-03-25T11:02:12.413" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="8857" PostId="5317" Score="8" Text="The second bullet point in the part saying that NAAs shouldn't be thrown when the answer doesn't answer the question contradicts the FAQ:s text, where it says that answers may be removed if they are &quot;not even a partial answer to the actual question&quot;. It'd be nice if the FAQ and the moderators could be in agreement..." CreationDate="2013-03-27T11:04:54.590" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="8859" PostId="5317" Score="0" Text="@JennyD: I believe we are, it only says may not will." CreationDate="2013-03-27T14:31:43.197" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8860" PostId="5317" Score="6" Text="Well, yes, but you seem to be saying &quot;should not&quot;, which IMHO is a ways off from &quot;may&quot;. At the very least it's a bit confusing for a relative newbie." CreationDate="2013-03-27T14:36:00.270" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="8861" PostId="5317" Score="3" Text="Nice post - we're working to educate and promote the proper use of not-an-answer flags. http://meta.apple.stackexchange.com/q/1629/5472 I'm a big proponent for keeping all the wrong answers online, searchable, but properly down-voted and explained as to how and why the post is incorrect. Just as many learn from a correct answer - _knowing what the answer is not_ is equally beneficial to learning." CreationDate="2013-03-27T17:48:51.623" UserId="81174" />
  <row Id="8885" PostId="5317" Score="6" Text="Great. So don't use NAA if the answer doesn't answer the question (?!)" CreationDate="2013-03-29T00:31:01.640" UserId="156340" />
  <row Id="9894" PostId="5317" Score="6" Text="It seems to me the confusion is the difference between &quot;is a wrong answer&quot; (which shouldn't be NAA) and &quot;is not even a wrong answer&quot;, which is what I think should be NAA." CreationDate="2013-03-31T12:08:15.447" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="13966" PostId="5317" Score="0" Text="@Iain I find that when a comment is an answer, many users tend to steal the answer in that comment and post it as their own answer." CreationDate="2014-11-10T09:18:56.300" UserId="177560" />
  <row Id="13967" PostId="5317" Score="0" Text="@cybermonkey [That's entirely acceptable](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/117251/what-to-do-with-questions-that-have-been-self-resolved-as-a-comment-instead-of-a/117268#117268)" CreationDate="2014-11-10T09:25:41.447" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20203" PostId="5317" Score="1" Text="What is recommended when the &quot;answer&quot; does not even try to address the question? I am asking because I flagged NAA an answer telling how to list KBs, because the question was about to uninstall KBs. My flag was &quot;declined - flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer&quot;." CreationDate="2016-01-20T18:44:58.513" UserId="321180" />
  <row Id="20736" PostId="5317" Score="2" Text="@Law29 A downvote." CreationDate="2016-04-27T21:38:42.690" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20739" PostId="5317" Score="0" Text="@Law29 That's just a wrong answer - downvote it." CreationDate="2016-04-27T21:55:17.750" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20751" PostId="5317" Score="1" Text="OK, so &quot;Not an answer&quot; should not be used to flag posts which are not answers to the question. That's illogical, but no matter." CreationDate="2016-04-28T05:12:28.883" UserId="321180" />
  <row Id="8853" PostId="5319" Score="0" Text="I have been looking at the issue from the perspective of published tags' unanswered percentages." CreationDate="2013-03-26T22:23:52.600" UserId="163277" />
  <row Id="8854" PostId="5319" Score="1" Text="@AndrzejA.Filip the &quot;unanswered&quot; logic should consider questions with upvoted answers as answered questions (the same way the unanswered link does) -- If it doesn't I would consider that to be a bug (i.e. &quot;Check for a post about it on [mSO](http://meta.stackoverflow.com) and if none exists, raise the issue&quot;)" CreationDate="2013-03-26T23:54:19.477" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8855" PostId="5319" Score="2" Text="I'm rather miffed about the percentage thing being removed. I was one of those people who refused to answer when the OP had an exceptionally low percent." CreationDate="2013-03-27T00:59:24.820" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="8856" PostId="5319" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 I do not think it should be a single rubber bag unless there will be a new category of questions: &quot;answered&quot;=&quot;up-voted or accepted answer&quot; and &quot;answer accepted (by asking person)&quot;." CreationDate="2013-03-27T06:56:59.743" UserId="163277" />
  <row Id="8858" PostId="5319" Score="1" Text="The 'unanswered' stat being discussed here is the one at the top of the 'top users' page for tags. Like this one for [php](http://serverfault.com/tags/php/topusers) (21.8% unanswered) and [linux](http://serverfault.com/tags/linux/topusers) (11.6% unanswered). For comparison, right now our [site-wide unanswered rate](http://stackexchange.com/sites#traffic) is 17%. Of the high traffic sites, we're actually doing pretty good." CreationDate="2013-03-27T11:23:32.847" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="8886" PostId="5319" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS, there can certainly be questioners who ask hard questions, which will rarely garner lots of answers (let alone acceptable ones). Punish them for that? This site is for _questions and answers_, if the question is interesting, and you believe you can give a good answer, please _do_ go ahead. If the asker is ungrateful, its their own loss." CreationDate="2013-03-29T00:37:14.607" UserId="156340" />
  <row Id="8862" PostId="5320" Score="0" Text="They had [nearly 10K on Stack Overflow](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/173894/189912)." CreationDate="2013-03-28T03:00:12.970" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="8872" PostId="5323" Score="0" Text="I'm inclined to agree. Smells a little spammy to me." CreationDate="2013-03-28T12:14:22.430" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="8873" PostId="5323" Score="0" Text="Fun fact: Gillian Miller isn't even from Miami. Guess where he comes from? (But yeah, definitive spammer here. Also posted spam answers on SU already.)" CreationDate="2013-03-28T12:40:39.337" UserId="52982" />
  <row Id="8880" PostId="5323" Score="0" Text="Re: keeping the post here - this really doesn't seem &quot;professional sysadmin related&quot; (Yeah the guy's in a work environment, at least theoretically because he has colleagues, but he's asking &quot;How do I as an end user move my mail between formats&quot;) -- You might be able to make a case for keeping it on SU but I'm not so keen on it as a SF question (the spam just pushes it over the edge, down the elevator shaft, onto some bullets)" CreationDate="2013-03-28T17:45:03.713" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="8881" PostId="5323" Score="0" Text="@slhck: I haven't been to look but Mumbai, the Philippines or China would be my guesses in order `...`" CreationDate="2013-03-28T18:04:48.823" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="8882" PostId="5323" Score="2" Text="@voretaq7 the reason I asked to deny the migration was simply to make sure we do not dump questions which we would consider &quot;SPAM&quot; onto others. Also, this can easily be turned into a sysadmin-related question by saying &quot;I am a sysadmin with a handful of Outlook Mac users who will be getting bootcamped to Windows at short notice and need their local mail archives converted&quot;-" CreationDate="2013-03-28T18:15:07.130" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8883" PostId="5323" Score="1" Text="@syneticon-dj Oh I'm not saying it's migration worthy (making that assessment would require more time than I want to put into it now), just that *as written* it's an end-user question, not a sysadmin question (and the work to change it to be &quot;professional sysadmin&quot; would be more than just what you propose - it's not like the questions where you can just cross out &quot;home&quot; and it could easily be a datacenter: the whole premise is &quot;end  user&quot;, or at least that's how it reads to me)" CreationDate="2013-03-28T21:30:52.267" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="9893" PostId="5323" Score="0" Text="@iain: &quot;I haven't been to look but Mumbai, the Philippines or China would be my guesses in order&quot;. The guy's grammar suggests that your first guess was spot on: &quot;and the provided me complete guidance about their product&quot;. Not just &quot;guidance&quot;, but COMPLETE GUIDANCE!&#xA;&#xA;The grammar is a dead giveaway. It's a spammer from India." CreationDate="2013-03-31T04:14:25.413" UserId="161744" />
  <row Id="8877" PostId="5324" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the insights. Yet I think that salvaging the question and leaving it on site would have been the preferable approach in this case. Of course I am strongly biased as it was *my* effort which is now in a deleted answer, but as I understood Jeff Atwoods posts on Meta.SO editing / salvaging should be preferred over deletion wherever possible." CreationDate="2013-03-28T13:57:42.563" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8878" PostId="5324" Score="0" Text="Do you have a specific post you're referring to? I'm not aware of any policy of that sort (and even then, Jeff's not in charge anymore :P). I agree salvaging is always an option if there are good intentions in the first place. The post will always be owned by a spammer, and even worse, they can get reputation for the question. More reputation means more privileges, and we *did* have a spammer who made it quite far on SU, because with more reputation you earn more trust. Don't forget that the review queues now kinda encourage blind upvoting as well." CreationDate="2013-03-28T14:01:43.533" UserId="52982" />
  <row Id="8879" PostId="5324" Score="0" Text="That being said, this is *your* community. If you want to handle spam differently, so be it. You could maybe have the question disassociated from the owner if it's worth keeping—but I'd still say that we should in no way encourage these people to contribute to our sites by keeping their content around." CreationDate="2013-03-28T14:03:52.650" UserId="52982" />
  <row Id="8884" PostId="5324" Score="1" Text="The problem here is that you educate one user, meanwhile 10 new clueless users are forming in line." CreationDate="2013-03-29T00:28:19.610" UserId="156340" />
  <row Id="9890" PostId="5324" Score="0" Text="@slhk I was not able to find anything specifically mentioning this corner case. But his posts on editing like [*Asking Better Questions*](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/10/asking-better-questions/) seem to be breathing the *&quot;anything [...] that’s salvageable, edit it&quot;* spirit. I am inclined to stick to that as I could think of a bunch of good reasons to do so." CreationDate="2013-03-29T17:03:38.360" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="9891" PostId="5324" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj I see. Well, I stand by my opinion that we shouldn't give spammers a platform to post their crap because that'd make it appear like we didn't care. If the post can be disassociated from the user and cleaned up, that'd probably be the ideal solution." CreationDate="2013-03-29T17:07:31.943" UserId="52982" />
  <row Id="8875" PostId="5325" Score="3" Text="Why didn't *anybody* tell me about the big bucks? I would have applied for a moderator seat years ago. With campaign staff, public speeches and a donations account." CreationDate="2013-03-28T13:13:13.763" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="8876" PostId="5325" Score="6" Text="@syneticon-dj  So there's less competition and more of the big bucks for them, obviously." CreationDate="2013-03-28T13:26:45.507" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="9885" PostId="5328" Score="0" Text="I'd LOVE a networking.SE, storage.SE.." CreationDate="2013-03-29T13:23:19.980" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="9886" PostId="5328" Score="6" Text="But would you really visit both on a regular basis? I believe I've seen it happen enough times to say, no, you wont. You will pick one of them that's your &quot;favorite&quot; and only visit that regularly. So the other site(s) lose out on what you might have contributed. I'd love to see a Stack Exchange where you can personally aggregate what were multiple sites (so pauska.SE shows what used to be Networking.SE, Storage.SE, and SF for example)." CreationDate="2013-03-29T13:25:42.247" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="9887" PostId="5328" Score="0" Text="All of my +1s for: `Most people choose a single site and only visit it on a frequent basis, the other sites lose out on their expertise on other fields.`" CreationDate="2013-03-29T13:29:24.233" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="9888" PostId="5328" Score="2" Text="I never go to Unix.SE, for instance... Even though there's plenty of overlap." CreationDate="2013-03-29T13:29:52.120" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="9889" PostId="5328" Score="0" Text="I agree. Chris, that really is a great idea." CreationDate="2013-03-29T14:08:15.780" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="9902" PostId="5328" Score="1" Text="Is there any way to make a &quot;feed&quot; or view of multiple sites in one window? The &quot;Stack Exchange-&gt;Hot questions&quot; feed at the top comes from all the sites." CreationDate="2013-04-01T15:22:59.860" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="9892" PostId="5331" Score="0" Text="Yup.  The default for search is &quot;substring&quot; (plus or minus some fuzz, tags, etc.) if you want something specific `&quot;quote&quot;` it, If you want a tag `[tag]` it..." CreationDate="2013-03-29T18:05:28.530" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="9895" PostId="5337" Score="1" Text="We already have an answer to that question http://serverfault.com/questions/212269/tips-for-securing-a-lamp-server Given that the RH version of the document you suggest the OP reads is 188 pages then it's way to broad and falls into NARQ/NC territory." CreationDate="2013-04-01T06:51:47.927" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="9896" PostId="5337" Score="10" Text="I don't condone the condescension in that comment thread, but of all the beat-down questions to stick up for, *that* one? It was not asked by an IT professional that is within scope of the FAQ, it could not be answered because of it's staggering breadth, and even if it *could* be answered it would likely not be fully grasped because the subject material would not be within the scope of the OP's base of knowledge. So what was the appropriate answer? &quot;Contract a SysAdmin lest you hurt your fledgling business before it even leaves the gates.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-04-01T06:54:51.543" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="9899" PostId="5337" Score="8" Text="The OP was target for being a developer. That dev status was the reason for the hatin'. The question was rightfully closed quickly, but it's comment thread that followed that seemed particularly-nasty." CreationDate="2013-04-01T11:44:04.453" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="9900" PostId="5337" Score="5" Text="I agree, the hostility was unnecessary. I tried, in my comment, to present a reasonable explanation, without casting blame or negativity. Perhaps I could have done better, though." CreationDate="2013-04-01T12:28:10.640" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="9901" PostId="5337" Score="1" Text="He was targeted for being a developer?  Interesting theory.  What makes you say that?  He struck me as just another clueless `I can haz teh SA codes?` type much more than anything else." CreationDate="2013-04-01T13:16:21.353" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="9903" PostId="5337" Score="4" Text="You're also forgetting something important: It was the person who asked the question who was originally hostile." CreationDate="2013-04-01T16:01:12.463" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="9904" PostId="5337" Score="6" Text="@MichaelHampton I'm sorry but I don't agree with you here. I thought that your comment &quot;DevOps means that you talk to your sysadmins [etc]&quot; was a little rude and that SAFX responded to that. Considering your reputation I'm sure you didn't mean it that way. I guess this is a lesson that the way someone interprets a message can depend more on the mindset/mood of the reader than that of the writer. I had a flaming row with a co-worker once: blaming each other for being rude while neither thought he was. I guess the only solution is to realise it and don't hold a grudge it when it happens :-)" CreationDate="2013-04-01T21:33:41.057" UserId="86258" />
  <row Id="9905" PostId="5337" Score="13" Text="This behavior is a large part of why I haven't been coming by anymore. Unfortunately, it's not only focused on Developers; I've seen the dogpile on what I thought were useful and valuable questions because they didn't fit explicitly within the explicitly-allowed bounds of the FAQ. SF has a toxic feel now, and the only reason that I can see is that too many high-rep users have become jaded." CreationDate="2013-04-02T01:35:10.567" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="9907" PostId="5337" Score="2" Text="@gWaldo: I don't think jaded is quite the right word - frustrated would, I think be better. SF offered so much more but has unfortunately descended to the lowest common denominator and like so many other places is just somewhere else for the clueless, feckless, hapless ... to to ask crappy questions. Most of the regulars have been fighting valiantly to retain the site as a place for professionals. I think it's time to acknowledge that we've lost that battle, remove it from the faq and get on with our lives, SF for professional IT people is dead." CreationDate="2013-04-02T07:00:57.587" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="9914" PostId="5337" Score="5" Text="@Iain To hell with that (giving up)... if we do that, we may as well just tell the SE team to merge the site with SuperUser, log off and never return.  It's probably a losing battle, but I see nothing wrong with using the VTCs, downvotes and comments &quot;as intended&quot; on the many off-topic, not-constructive and/or just plain crappy questions we see every day." CreationDate="2013-04-02T15:43:32.250" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="9917" PostId="5337" Score="5" Text="@Iain - whether jaded, frustrated, or otherwise, this site (I can't even call it a &quot;community&quot; anymore) is not welcoming to new users. It tolerates it's 'own', but nobody else. Which would be fine for a social club (SysDrink is a thing, after all) for mutual commisseration, but encouraging new users to 'suck less or take a hike' (my words) will only ensure that SF withers on the vine." CreationDate="2013-04-02T17:57:39.263" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="9918" PostId="5337" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b - I agree that VTC, downvoting, and comments are useful, but we of the top-percentages of the site are not being *helpful*." CreationDate="2013-04-02T17:58:54.423" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="9919" PostId="5337" Score="1" Text="@gWaldo Not being helpful to whom?  Jackasses who don't bother to even read the FAQ or put any effort into making their questions not suck?  Can't say I care about those lusers, and I can't say I've seen this not being helpful thing you speak of to legitimate, topical questions that the asker puts any effort into.  Like so much of life, what you get out of something varies greatly depending on what you put into it." CreationDate="2013-04-02T18:15:52.170" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="9920" PostId="5337" Score="20" Text="Thank you for illustrating my point so well, @HopelessN00b - I can't read your text in a tone other than dripping with contempt, scorn, and haughtiness. Here's the thing: a community that isn't growing is at-best stagnant. (In reality it's dying.) If you are unwelcoming to the new people (never mind being hostile), they will not stay. And they'll tell others that it's filled with BOFHs. Simon Travaglia's stories are funny (because they're not true), but nobody wants to work with or be around that guy." CreationDate="2013-04-02T19:06:48.510" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="9929" PostId="5337" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo Which leaves us with what Iain said about having lost the battle to keep this as a site for professionals.  SuperUser for &quot;server stuff,&quot; yippie.  Is that the type of community you want to be a part of?  That's kinda what it seems like (to me), and that kind of community isn't going to retain any expert users at all.  In the current state, it already has shed a number of prominent, high-rep users.  You want to accelerate that trend and try to replace them with new users who can't even be bothered to read the FAQ?  Seriously... think it through and think about what you're asking for." CreationDate="2013-04-02T22:03:35.213" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="9937" PostId="5337" Score="14" Text="Speaking as a relative newbie to SF, I've not found the site unfriendly. But then I'm not a newbie *sysadmin* - what I find frustrating here are questions like the one linked, where there's no understanding of the scope of the problem and an unwillingness from the OP:s side to accept that this isn't something that can or should be reduced to a pat list of answers off of a web site." CreationDate="2013-04-03T07:32:05.857" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="9938" PostId="5337" Score="8" Text="@HopelessN00b  it would be great if people read my carefully-prepared docs, &amp; I hate (HATE!) when people reply to my email asking a Q which I'd already addressed THAT VERY THING. But I don't know anyone who hasn't done that - The best Devs, Sys/Ops folks, and non-tech people have all done it. Even me! Slack should be cut, *especially* for new people. It used to be harshly responded to if you should answer a (easily google-able) SF question with a LMGTFY link, but even that is a better user experience for the OPs than &quot;READ THE FAQ, N00b!&quot; &amp; &quot;This question isn't professional enough&quot; remarks." CreationDate="2013-04-03T12:53:47.917" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="9939" PostId="5337" Score="7" Text="It's only natural to want to be around people just like you. But this is a place where people are supposed to be able to get assistance. Yes, we have a narrowly-defined scope where SO and SU are pretty broad, I have long been concerned at our harsh enforcement of &quot;Professional&quot;. While I personally have a high standard of people with whom I'd like to work, I'm pretty lenient with regards to people asking questions of me." CreationDate="2013-04-03T12:54:14.887" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="9940" PostId="5337" Score="18" Text="On my long-ago Day 1 of being a Professional SysAd, I didn't know much and had to ask a lot of basic questions. I didn't know much, but I was still a &quot;Professional SysAd&quot;, and needed help with questions in &quot;a professional capacity&quot;. I'm glad that I wasn't relying on the SF of today back then." CreationDate="2013-04-03T12:54:45.420" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="9941" PostId="5337" Score="9" Text="Yes, the question ewwhite presented was weak, but the way that it was handled could have been much better. Us repeatedly saying &quot;hire a SysAd&quot; when the OP made it clear that it wasn't an option is futile. What to do then? Well, instead of continuing to say &quot;Hire a SysAd&quot;, an answer that would actually be helpful is &quot;Managing systems is a significant undertaking, but here are some guides&quot;, and *provide links to articles and documentation!* Y'know, maybe attempt to help." CreationDate="2013-04-03T12:55:27.860" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="9942" PostId="5337" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo  At present, there are 146,265 undeleted questions on ServerFault.  (I can't tell how many deleted ones there are, but the moderator tools show 21 deletions in the last 24 hours.)  If we took the time to help every off topic question and clueless luser who doesn't belong here, that's all we'd get done.  I have better things to do with my life, and don't think that it's fair or productive to allow good questions from good users to suffer because we're all too busy telling the 18,000th 1 rep user what's in **the FAQ he should have read before posting anyway.**" CreationDate="2013-04-03T13:44:22.427" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="9946" PostId="5337" Score="9" Text="@HopelessN00b Yes, there is a lot of crap out in the world. Yes, it's frustrating to say the same things repeatedly. Yes, they should read the FAQ. But the fact that you even think of them as &quot;lusers&quot; illustrates contempt and hostility, where a Q/A site should fundamentally be about helping people. You yourself have done a fine job of earning a high reputation in the short amount of time that you've been a part of the site. But you demonstrate an amazing amount of scorn for the people who most need your expertise." CreationDate="2013-04-03T14:36:26.307" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="9954" PostId="5337" Score="6" Text="As a relatively new user, I can see both sides of this problem. This site would not nearly be as useful to me without the &quot;IT professionals&quot; slant. Simultaneously, I can see the overzealous attempts to police in action, and have even allowed them to model my own behavior incorrectly in some places. (@EEAA had to straighten me out once) tl;dr, I think there is a great deal of value in trying to maintain the balance. I disagree with &quot;giving up&quot;, I disagree with being &quot;too welcoming&quot;, I disagree with &quot;being outright rude&quot;. Just because a balance is tough does not mean it lacks merit." CreationDate="2013-04-03T19:16:02.580" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="9992" PostId="5337" Score="0" Text="Wow. Well, this certainly discourages me from ever posting on this SE site.&#xA;I had no idea setting up a development environment mirroring one deployed in a real work environment is not a profession IT job.&#xA;I guess anyone can do it then, maybe I should phone my Grandma for technical advice - she took an IT course at the community centre after all." CreationDate="2013-04-08T11:00:21.040" UserId="117431" />
  <row Id="9993" PostId="5337" Score="2" Text="@Amicable: It absolutely would be a professional IT job but you wouldn't believe the number of grannys/granddads/school kids/amateurs in general who try to do it, screw it up entirely then come asking crappy questions here about it." CreationDate="2013-04-08T12:19:28.000" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="9994" PostId="5337" Score="6" Text="@Amicable - I'd say that is turning it the wrong way around. You shouldn't be setting up a dev environment to mirror a work environment; you should set up a secure and production-ready environment to develop on and then copy that environment into production. Both jobs require that you understand the scope and risks inherent in systems administrations on the internet. Setting up dev for a startup without the skills to setup production is a huge risk and will haunt them for years to come - if they survive that long." CreationDate="2013-04-08T13:18:55.373" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="9996" PostId="5337" Score="2" Text="@HopelessN00b: There is no need to give up - we've lost. I have been straw polling the newest questions and &gt;60% are from people who have more rep on another (and generally SO) SE site which makes them amateurs and SF a place to ask pro sysadmins et al questions rather than a place for pro sysadmins et al to ask because thy just plain don't." CreationDate="2013-04-08T21:06:14.527" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="9997" PostId="5337" Score="1" Text="@Iain I've never been one to let a little thing like having lost knock the fight out of me, though.  May as well tilt at windmills a little while longer." CreationDate="2013-04-08T23:45:04.000" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="10869" PostId="5337" Score="1" Text="If sales people came to stackoverflow asking for a step by step of how to write a program saying that 'hiring a developer is not an option' people would also laugh in their face.  Everyone agrees that clear cut spoonfeeding is not welcome but there needs to be a balance so that doesn't stop help to people who are new to the field and simply trying to learn." CreationDate="2013-07-11T10:54:02.887" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="9910" PostId="5338" Score="5" Text="Regarding point #2: A better analogue would be &quot;I'm trying to develop a basic wiki using MySQL and PHP, what are some of the basic steps I should be aware of?&quot;  And that is a perfectly valid, beginner question.  Point #3: It's not &quot;impossibly broad&quot;  this topic is routinely covered in whitepapers and even on forum posts (&quot;what's the first things you do when prepping a public-facing server?&quot;)  Also, in the context of this question, this person wasn't a &quot;user&quot;, he was asking an admin question." CreationDate="2013-04-02T12:36:19.733" UserId="30996" />
  <row Id="9913" PostId="5338" Score="6" Text="@jamieb The whitepaper ewwhite linked to for the OP to read (not as a complete answer) was 188 pages.  If you want to say that a question, to which a partial answer is 188 pages long is anything other than impossibly broad, then whatever, there's not much point in discussing it with you." CreationDate="2013-04-02T15:38:53.007" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="9936" PostId="5338" Score="10" Text="So if one of your paying clients asked you the question 'how do you do foo', you think a terse `hire a sysadmin` response, would be the one that would keep you getting paid?  The question was poor, yes I think we all agree, but saying only `hire a sysadmin`, is almost never a useful answer or comment all by itself." CreationDate="2013-04-02T23:09:49.003" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="9944" PostId="5338" Score="1" Text="I think it's irrelevant whether someone asking a question is an &quot;Information Technology Professional&quot;. Answers can and *should* assume that the audience consists of IT professionals however. And questions can be edited to match the intended audience too!" CreationDate="2013-04-03T14:01:54.720" UserId="40350" />
  <row Id="9947" PostId="5338" Score="7" Text="@Zoredache - if they are a paying client, then I am their sysadmin already. Why would I tell them to hire someone else unless I disagreed with them on an ethical level?  The situations of an in-person conversation with a paying client and a question on SF are vastly different. &quot;Hire a sysadmin&quot; cuts to the chase and prevents a long, drawn-out discussion on &quot;why&quot; they should hire one, in which SF is not the appropriate format to have that discussion anyway." CreationDate="2013-04-03T14:49:11.877" UserId="12303" />
  <row Id="9953" PostId="5338" Score="5" Text="@KennyEvitt  Spoken like someone who's never given an IT-professional-appropriate answer to a non-IT-professional.  It never goes over well, and causes only frustration for both the asker and answerer.  Never mind the fact that it's explicitly stated in the FAQ, and if a person's not going to even read and follow that, they're not going to be a useful community member anyway." CreationDate="2013-04-03T17:53:25.503" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="9956" PostId="5338" Score="6" Text="@HopelessN00b – your comment is arguably rude, which is also a violation of something in the FAQ&quot;, but my point was that there is a natural audience of interested (and even intelligent) people that aren't literally IT professionals, and they could benefit from questions and answers that are nevertheless written for that audience. For instance, there are many developers that are more knowledgeable about systems administration than most IT professionals." CreationDate="2013-04-03T21:10:11.323" UserId="40350" />
  <row Id="9897" PostId="5339" Score="3" Text="We occasionally get quotes like 'My IT tell me..' or similar which suggests that some developers at least don't consider themselves IT." CreationDate="2013-04-01T10:19:10.913" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="9898" PostId="5339" Score="2" Text="That's a good point @Iain, it isn't always clear cut, and questions need to be considered on a case by case basis, rather than having a blanket rule applied." CreationDate="2013-04-01T11:23:05.450" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="9906" PostId="5339" Score="1" Text="The test is &quot;do they have control of the systems they are working with&quot; - if they don't, then in that context they are an end-user." CreationDate="2013-04-02T06:36:00.987" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="9909" PostId="5339" Score="3" Text="@Andrew: &quot;do they have control of the systems they are working with ... and it's not their personal workstation&quot; works better." CreationDate="2013-04-02T09:25:16.617" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="9995" PostId="5339" Score="3" Text="In my shop, the Developers are part of the IT department on the org chart, but as @Andrew points out, the only systems they have control over are their own workstations and the development servers.  They don't touch the production servers without submitting a ticket explaining exactly why (i.e. for which job) they need the access, and what access they need.  Then they get the access to perform that job, then the access is again pulled." CreationDate="2013-04-08T17:38:03.567" UserId="15833" />
  <row Id="10052" PostId="5339" Score="2" Text="Just an importantly God help you if you are a new sysadmin and ask a question.  You'll never find a question like this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1137158/what-is-a-variable on SF, which is a shame" CreationDate="2013-04-12T14:31:44.503" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="9911" PostId="5341" Score="3" Text="+1 Most commonly I find that an &quot;Engineer&quot; is an implementer, commonly a consultant (but not necessarily), who's focus is on getting whatever technology up and running in the first place; where an &quot;Administrator&quot; has ongoing responsibility for the technology which primarily includes maintenance, minor upgrades, troubleshooting, etc. But I've seen those terms used in other contexts, so you can't rely completely on these." CreationDate="2013-04-02T12:52:34.547" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="9912" PostId="5341" Score="6" Text="HR also complicates this...as a lot of NetAdmins end up with odd titles such as Network Engineer III, Sr. Network Analyst, etc. simply based on someone's tenure and need for a title &quot;upgrade&quot; to fall into a certain salary range for HR." CreationDate="2013-04-02T13:48:59.820" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="9950" PostId="5341" Score="2" Text="In certain areas, like Canada (I believe) the term &quot;engineer&quot; is actually reserved for people who have degree in engineering." CreationDate="2013-04-03T16:38:07.417" UserId="108424" />
  <row Id="9980" PostId="5341" Score="0" Text="@theCleaner is quite right.  At the very large managed and cloud hosting provider Where I work, &quot;systems x&quot; and &quot;network x&quot; titles have a hierarchy of seniority that basically goes technician-&gt;administrator-&gt;engineer-&gt;architect." CreationDate="2013-04-05T00:56:51.963" UserId="20148" />
  <row Id="10059" PostId="5341" Score="2" Text="What @nathangiesbrecht said also stands in some US states. IIRC South Carolina and Texas are both picky about folks claiming to be an engineer without holding a current PE certificate/stamp from their state. It made my dad so mad (Civil Eng. in multiple states) that I actually fought against being titled an engineer in one job to keep him happy. ;-)" CreationDate="2013-04-12T21:16:42.110" UserId="17429" />
  <row Id="9908" PostId="5342" Score="7" Text="Dude, if they're still using frobblicators, you need to get out of there. At the very least they should be on doobrywhatsits" CreationDate="2013-04-02T08:36:58.763" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="9943" PostId="5344" Score="1" Text="You're not entirely correct when you say &quot;... perfectly acceptable to ask on SO ...&quot;. There are certainly *examples* of questions that might lead one to believe that SO is much more lax in closing overly broad questions, but I think that's more a function of the larger number of users on the site. There are many (zealous) moderators on SO too and has the same basic conflict as exemplified by this question." CreationDate="2013-04-03T13:58:19.940" UserId="40350" />
  <row Id="10067" PostId="5344" Score="0" Text="+1 for &quot;contract with a marketing person/company&quot;. That just made a Saturday at work slightly better for this dev, entrepreneur who masquerades as a sysadmin by necessity." CreationDate="2013-04-13T20:08:15.380" UserId="123098" />
  <row Id="9915" PostId="5345" Score="1" Text="Should we have the &quot;misanthropist&quot; badge for edits resulting in downvotes and un-accepting as a counterweight then?" CreationDate="2013-04-02T16:13:29.567" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="9916" PostId="5345" Score="2" Text="@syneticon-dj, badges are to reward good behavior.  We don't want badges that reward bad behavior because some perverse individuals might actually try to get them, and make this site worse." CreationDate="2013-04-02T17:38:05.217" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="9921" PostId="5345" Score="6" Text="fwiw, Dan did originally post that in his own answer, and then he deleted his answer and decided to move it to yours. Kudos for him." CreationDate="2013-04-02T20:30:29.093" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="9922" PostId="5347" Score="0" Text="This belongs on meta.stackoverflow.com ... and probably won't receive a warm reception there, FYI." CreationDate="2013-04-02T21:35:43.527" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="9923" PostId="5347" Score="2" Text="No moderator smacked down [your question](http://serverfault.com/q/495486/126632)." CreationDate="2013-04-02T21:36:38.577" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="9924" PostId="5347" Score="1" Text="I don't really understand why you're upset. You received no downvotes and were linked to a great answer for your question." CreationDate="2013-04-02T21:47:03.420" UserId="130858" />
  <row Id="9925" PostId="5347" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b I think my question was a reasonable one for at least one SE site, and I agree to the people who kindly replied, that the question was a duplicate. Without visiting 4 separate SE sites, I couldn't have found it." CreationDate="2013-04-02T21:48:14.553" UserId="14645" />
  <row Id="9926" PostId="5347" Score="0" Text="@r.tanner.f I'm not upset. I think the answers were helpful and great, but the SE UX could have lead to a happier place for sure.&#xA;&#xA;I read the about page for Server Fault - it says its &quot;for  professional system and network administrators&quot;. I also found lots of questions tagged &quot;domain-registration&quot;, and no obvious answer to my question. So it seemed a good place to post it. So, I'm a little surprised when its flagged as off-topic. (Actually, thinking about it, I still don't understand why its off-topic.)" CreationDate="2013-04-02T21:54:50.733" UserId="14645" />
  <row Id="9927" PostId="5347" Score="0" Text="My point is: i) there's no place to grumble (at the question) about whether its off-topic or not, ii) I don't think I could have reasonably found the right non-off-topic forum without doing a fair bit of work, iii) the forum's about page led me to believe this was the right place. &#xA;&#xA;I'm bringing it up because I've run into this several times despite making a best honest effort to ask sensible questions in the right places. I think its solvable in the website's design." CreationDate="2013-04-02T21:57:34.573" UserId="14645" />
  <row Id="9928" PostId="5347" Score="0" Text="@Michael Hampton  ... well ... they kinda did? Didn't they? The moderators said it was off-topic and zapped it." CreationDate="2013-04-02T22:02:04.403" UserId="14645" />
  <row Id="9930" PostId="5347" Score="1" Text="No they didn't. Again, no moderators touched your question, though one did comment on it. You can recognize a moderator by the diamond symbol next to their name." CreationDate="2013-04-02T22:04:40.867" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="9931" PostId="5347" Score="0" Text="Well maybe. I don't mind the details of how the question got closed so much, but I think my use case is common (because of the clear overlap between the SE sites), and some features along the lines of the ones I added would help users and moderators (or whomever flags stuff as off-topic)." CreationDate="2013-04-02T22:13:23.383" UserId="14645" />
  <row Id="9932" PostId="5347" Score="0" Text="@Michael Hampton Thanks for answering my original question though. Was helpful." CreationDate="2013-04-02T22:13:48.887" UserId="14645" />
  <row Id="9933" PostId="5347" Score="0" Text="@user14645 I don't (totally) disagree with you... this is a side effect of SE fragmentation, but that's just not gonna change, and isn't something the SE team has been particularly interested in addressing historically.  And, again, network-wide meta topics belong on meta.stackoverflow.com, because that's where the people who can actually do anything about it are most active (by a massive margin)." CreationDate="2013-04-02T22:16:30.273" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="9934" PostId="5347" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Hmmm... but if I read the site FAQ: &quot;... Super User for general Networking,&quot;. So, SuperUser, StackOverflow, ServerFault? And it turned out that the right (existing) answer was on Webmasters. I take your point. Its a growing problem though. Isn't there a larger SE feature request tracking scheme?" CreationDate="2013-04-02T22:23:20.610" UserId="14645" />
  <row Id="9935" PostId="5347" Score="3" Text="@user14645  The larger SE feature tracking scheme (so far as it exists) would be meta.stackoverflow.com, and unfortunately, as mentioned, they don't much care to do anything about this.  I file it under the *accept-those-things-you-cannot-change* heading." CreationDate="2013-04-02T22:43:47.477" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="9969" PostId="5347" Score="1" Text="http://stackexchange.com/search searches all Stack Exchange sites." CreationDate="2013-04-04T16:37:40.443" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="9955" PostId="5348" Score="1" Text="This is something that most new users should get linked to at some point. Most of it is stuff that you have to identify in passing as a newbie, even if you have a vague idea of what you're doing and how to find information on your own." CreationDate="2013-04-03T19:58:28.343" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="9949" PostId="5350" Score="1" Text="&lt;3 &quot;...not being SE's dark scary place.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-04-03T16:28:01.243" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="9945" PostId="5351" Score="7" Text="It's nice to say you don't agree that removing the professional requirement will drive away expert users, but we've already had a number of high-rep users leave the site because it's not professional enough, or there's too many crap questions.  The most recent departee is [John Gardeniers](http://serverfault.com/users/9278/john-gardeniers).  Yes, he often was an ass who wouldn't suffer stupidity, but he was also a seasoned SA, and an expert answerer.  The site will suffer for not having him as a resource anymore.  He's also not the first to leave for this reason, nor will he be the last." CreationDate="2013-04-03T14:02:07.110" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="9948" PostId="5351" Score="23" Text="I respectfully disagree about John. John is very smart, and an expert in many fields, but his inability to keep his scorn out of his answers greatly decreases the value of his answers." CreationDate="2013-04-03T16:22:13.237" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="9951" PostId="5351" Score="19" Text="@HopelessN00b In those cases, if a user writes answers like &quot;You dumbass, how did you not know to do X&quot; or &quot;If you don't know that you probably shouldn't be a sysadmin&quot; (I actually saw an answer like that before), then they really should be kicked out of the community regardless of their expertise. Attacking others does NOT build a community, it **destroys it**" CreationDate="2013-04-03T17:19:52.187" UserId="45705" />
  <row Id="9962" PostId="5351" Score="9" Text="@gWaldo Maybe I am becoming too cranky in my age as SA Consultant, but I never had an issue with John's tone on SO or on the Home Improvement sites. It's very frustrating to experts when people want free information, but only with a minimal effort on their part." CreationDate="2013-04-04T07:11:09.700" UserId="7429" />
  <row Id="9966" PostId="5351" Score="10" Text="@tegbains If you never had a problem with John's tone, then that is fine. For you. But many of the posts that I'd seen in the past two years began with him being unnecessarily hostile with no gain. If he had cut out the opinions and only left the *actually useful* part of his answers, I could not be more pleased with his answers. Yes, I get frustrated with my users, and have to fight the urge to LMGTFY them. But here on SF (where it is not your job), there's absolutely no call to be an ass. If you don't want to answer a question (especially because there is no effort), then **DON'T**." CreationDate="2013-04-04T13:53:00.700" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="9967" PostId="5351" Score="9" Text="@TheLQ If someone posting on a site for professional sysadmins does not know the basics of using the operating systems they're working with, then I'd say that the latter answer is at the very least not incorrect. And I **have** seen questions like that here." CreationDate="2013-04-04T14:39:26.670" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="10039" PostId="5351" Score="3" Text="&quot;As a long time lurker ServerFault is infamously known for its hostility.&quot; - Agreed. Many times, I'll ask a question I have elsewhere simply because I know that here, I'll get screamed at. FYI: I'm a developer who does a lot of sysadmin and networking work." CreationDate="2013-04-11T18:09:28.727" UserId="70024" />
  <row Id="10069" PostId="5351" Score="4" Text="Maybe this is just a technical problem? How about an option that you want to see only questions with an upvote result of x or higher? The questions who make certain experts angry due to the lazyness (or cluelessness) of the asker will not even get to two. This would even make upvotes more valuable: &quot;Upvote a good question to make it reach a broader audience.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-04-14T02:28:19.110" UserId="158153" />
  <row Id="9952" PostId="5352" Score="2" Text="I agree RE: civility, disagree RE: broadness. The focused nature of SE is what drives up the value of the answers. Avoidance of broad discussions don't have a definitive &quot;answer&quot; is one of the characteristics significantly distinguishing these sites from forums and it should probably remain that way." CreationDate="2013-04-03T17:44:05.103" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="9957" PostId="5352" Score="3" Text="I disagree. SO and SF at least are filled with low-value questions. And 'broad' questions aren't necessarily discussions. But regardless of where we could agree to draw the line on when a question becomes a discussion, there are excellent questions with excellent answers that are widely considered to be too broad according to the site FAQs. And yet the sites themselves seem perfectly capable of letting users accumulate and organize that info. The hostility on these sites tho is definitely one of the main aspects driving away users new and old alike." CreationDate="2013-04-03T21:14:07.823" UserId="40350" />
  <row Id="9958" PostId="5353" Score="0" Text="&quot;... let your downvote do the talking&quot; – or just let the lack of your *upvote* do the talking!" CreationDate="2013-04-03T21:16:06.207" UserId="40350" />
  <row Id="9959" PostId="5353" Score="0" Text="@Kenny True enough, but I'd still prefer a downvote to someone being rude if they really disapprove of something. That's mostly what I was trying to get at." CreationDate="2013-04-03T21:17:10.743" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="9960" PostId="5353" Score="0" Text="– I agree with that, and the rest of your answer too." CreationDate="2013-04-03T21:21:30.387" UserId="40350" />
  <row Id="9963" PostId="5353" Score="1" Text="@KennyEvitt: That's not talking it's keeping your mouth shut! Vote appropriately based on the hover text guidance and your own judgement is the only way forward." CreationDate="2013-04-04T08:03:25.177" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="9965" PostId="5353" Score="2" Text="If you're worried about downvotes being taken the wrong way, leave a constructive comment. And on the receiving end, if you think a Q/A has received a prohibitive number of downvotes and want to &quot;start over&quot;, then delete and do just that. (provided that you are in fact starting over from scratch with *what you've learned*)" CreationDate="2013-04-04T13:45:51.883" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="9968" PostId="5354" Score="4" Text="100 years ago, &quot;computers&quot; were (gigantic) glorified calculators that used gears.  100 years from now, computers will probably be as different from today's computers as today's computers are from what the 1910's had to offer.  So I recommend not trying to solve this fundamentally unsolvable problem.  If you want to make your data last for 100 years (for whatever reason), you need to keep moving it to newer and newer systems and formats, so it's in an up-to-date form when you die, and someone else (presumably) takes over the task." CreationDate="2013-04-04T16:34:27.883" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="9971" PostId="5354" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Interesting, maybe I should think of a digital rather than physical solution ? Would having data stored on a cloud service work if it gets moved to a newer cloud solution every once in a while (can't expect AWS to last 100 years for example, but perhaps the internet and cloud services in general might still be in some form or another) ? Would there be a way to sort of 'automate' that ?" CreationDate="2013-04-04T16:44:59.403" UserId="167874" />
  <row Id="9974" PostId="5354" Score="1" Text="Side note: You probably want to avoid anything digital at all. The items we have from 100+ years ago are all very basic technologically speaking. There might be CDs that last 50 years, but finding a CD drive might be hard. There are plenty of 20 year old formats that I don't have the equipment to read anymore (5.25&quot; floppies spring to mind). But paper, we have 1000 year old paper that's still around (carefully preserved). I'd pick a material more substantial than paper, but just pointing out the nature." CreationDate="2013-04-04T17:34:43.917" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="9975" PostId="5354" Score="0" Text="Right, like Chris points out, don't go digital.  In addition to finding equipment to read the media, you also need software to interpret the format, and there are some proprietary data encoding schemes from the early days of computing that have been lost.  And on an even more fundamental level, who's to say that we'll still use binary-based (base2) computers 100 years from now?" CreationDate="2013-04-04T17:40:51.510" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="9982" PostId="5354" Score="0" Text="Digital is fine, but you can't just dump stuff on a drive and leave it - you need to maintain it.  My archives have gone from CD to DVD to hard drives and are getting close to needing to move to bigger hard drives.  File formats are an issue, anything beyond images, text, and PDF is questionable.  I think I can still convert my oldest MS-Word 5.0 (for DOS) documents, but I haven't done it yet and it'll be a pain...  I'm never gonna bother with whatever old Wordperfect and Lotus Improv files I've got." CreationDate="2013-04-05T03:51:39.790" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="9991" PostId="5354" Score="0" Text="I think there was a similar question on superuser. At some point someone suggested stone tablets ;p" CreationDate="2013-04-08T01:56:01.257" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="9970" PostId="5355" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the quick reply. Pretty sound advice +1" CreationDate="2013-04-04T16:40:23.597" UserId="167874" />
  <row Id="9972" PostId="5355" Score="1" Text="Hovercar?  I'd be perfectly happy with a normal road-going car, but I'm waiting for it to be nuclear-powered.  http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/nuclear-powered-car-1.jpg" CreationDate="2013-04-04T17:11:20.490" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="9976" PostId="5355" Score="0" Text="@Ward http://i.stack.imgur.com/SuSI9.jpg &lt;--?" CreationDate="2013-04-04T17:54:49.903" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="9973" PostId="5356" Score="0" Text="+1 Thanks for the Libraries and Information Science link, I'll look there as well for similar posts/solutions." CreationDate="2013-04-04T17:20:05.030" UserId="167874" />
  <row Id="10064" PostId="5356" Score="1" Text="@GeorgeProfenza: Ideally you would ask an archivist, but they often work out of the Libraries and/or Information Sciences areas. Of all the SEI sites that's probably your best bet. FWIW, the archivist I've talked to recommends refreshing storage mediums every couple of years and (nearly half joking) that stone is the only proven long term storage medium. Paper being a distant second." CreationDate="2013-04-13T15:26:48.203" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="9985" PostId="5360" Score="0" Text="Thanks Bjørn, had no clue about Amazon Glacier, looks quite handy for what I need (+1)" CreationDate="2013-04-05T21:45:32.027" UserId="167874" />
  <row Id="9987" PostId="5361" Score="0" Text="No. Thousand times no. You open a rats nest of meta-discussion about who is getting such a badge and why or why not. If at all, it *must* be completely automatic and based on fixed criteria." CreationDate="2013-04-06T10:23:23.453" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="9988" PostId="5361" Score="0" Text="Ah ok. I see that it would be an admin nightmare now. Thanks." CreationDate="2013-04-06T11:38:49.070" UserId="109050" />
  <row Id="10065" PostId="5364" Score="0" Text="Seems a bit overboard to call that one &quot;overt self promotion&quot;. The link was quite relevant to the post and added additional information.  I believe it was wrong of the community to edit out the second link. It's like we're on a witch hunt for someone who *might* be self-promoting instead of looking at the content and asking if it's relevant to the post.  In my experience, spammers usually don't put time into writing good quality, relevant answers.  Maybe it would have been better to edit it and say &quot;see X for more information&quot;. That way the question of credit isn't even an issue." CreationDate="2013-04-13T19:49:37.270" UserId="65253" />
  <row Id="10066" PostId="5364" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: I quite clearly say that _I_ don't think it is overt self promotion." CreationDate="2013-04-13T19:55:08.923" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10068" PostId="5364" Score="0" Text="I see that hiding in there now. :)  But, still, the answer was edited to remove the link. I feel like that should be used for cases where someone demonstrates a pattern of abuse or wrote a really low quality answer and then slaps their link in the post. I don't know this user too well and haven't investigated myself, but I wanted to bring this up because I believe it's important to tell the difference between people trying to promote themselves and people who legitimately want to help others and just happen to have relevant content they've posted elsewhere that they want to add as a reference." CreationDate="2013-04-13T22:02:31.810" UserId="65253" />
  <row Id="10070" PostId="5364" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: Personally I just try to accept that what people say is what they mean and not read too much into it. He's giving credit to himself, it's not required." CreationDate="2013-04-14T05:44:27.953" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="9998" PostId="5370" Score="0" Text="Are you answer blocked, or question blocked? The title would say answers, but your question body says questions." CreationDate="2013-04-09T10:43:10.027" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="9999" PostId="5370" Score="0" Text="Questions are blocked, it was a typing mistake." CreationDate="2013-04-09T10:44:47.973" UserId="152162" />
  <row Id="10000" PostId="5370" Score="0" Text="Okay. Two closed, downvoted questions shoudln't trigger the question filter. Hopefully a mod can shed some light, do you have any deleted questions (i.e. deleted by yourself?)" CreationDate="2013-04-09T10:51:17.040" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="10001" PostId="5370" Score="0" Text="Now I am able to ask questions, after some of you up voted that 4 questions." CreationDate="2013-04-09T11:08:02.073" UserId="152162" />
  <row Id="10003" PostId="5370" Score="2" Text="You also have a deleted question. They might have tightened up the low-quality filters recently, I'm not sure. But the message saying that you could no longer ask questions clearly gives link with all the information you need. I don't mean to be offensive, but there were only two sentences in the message and you apparently ignored one of them completely." CreationDate="2013-04-09T13:21:07.963" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10004" PostId="5370" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS I haven't ignored the message, I copy-pasted the link and read the content, I just couldn't believe that I was banned from asking questions at that time, even if my last &quot;bad&quot; question was 2 weeks ago, and I didn't remember about the other deleted question." CreationDate="2013-04-09T13:29:45.457" UserId="152162" />
  <row Id="10005" PostId="5373" Score="0" Text="Thanks, that helps :)  Bit of a shame those sorts of questions don't do well, but at least I know why it was closed." CreationDate="2013-04-09T23:39:07.150" UserId="32543" />
  <row Id="10014" PostId="5373" Score="3" Text="@AdrianK A good place to brainstorm this sort of stuff is the site chatroom. While it is often a wretched hive of scum, villainy, and cranky neckbeardy types a lot of the neckbeardy types that hang out there are pretty smart when they're not being cranky." CreationDate="2013-04-10T05:59:01.753" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10021" PostId="5373" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 - thanks! BTW: great sales pitch, you should go into PR." CreationDate="2013-04-11T04:43:14.910" UserId="32543" />
  <row Id="10006" PostId="5374" Score="0" Text="Cheers!  FYI - The last option (&quot;F it all...&quot;) not so viable in this case as we're talking about Govt sector ;)" CreationDate="2013-04-09T23:47:04.600" UserId="32543" />
  <row Id="10013" PostId="5374" Score="2" Text="Mmh, yes - the government (well at least MY government) is already on long-term leaseback to the lobbyists. They might get upset if you sold it while they're still using it :-)" CreationDate="2013-04-10T05:51:56.620" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10008" PostId="5375" Score="0" Text="Not sure a two character edit could be misconstrued as *&quot;wahh this was completely astroturfed over&quot;* :)" CreationDate="2013-04-10T01:24:14.143" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="10010" PostId="5375" Score="1" Text="@jscott I was still referring to the fact that my comment was deleted. I was trying to emphasize that the opportunity for learning was lost since a better comment addressing the issue wasn't left in its place." CreationDate="2013-04-10T02:16:31.350" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10011" PostId="5375" Score="0" Text="Ah... I see now, &quot;the opportunity for learning&quot; for you *as a commenter* -- I hadn't considered that." CreationDate="2013-04-10T02:35:38.207" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="10012" PostId="5375" Score="0" Text="@jscott I meant the opportunity for the person who posted about a subject in a desktop environment (since the edit+comment delete magically made it go away), but clearly there was room for me to learn too. :)" CreationDate="2013-04-10T02:58:00.107" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10016" PostId="5375" Score="0" Text="Removing the OS doesn't improve the question at all it's still crappy and missing key information. The OP is an amateur and there are other SE sites that cater for them." CreationDate="2013-04-10T06:16:55.797" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10018" PostId="5375" Score="0" Text="I don't consider that question to be off topic at all. Other than an assumption that the OP isn't asking on a professional basis, there were no grounds to close that question. Sure, he's not using a 'server', but desktops are on topic here if in a professional capacity. I myself have a WAMP setup on my desktop, purely for professional use, if I have a problem with Apache on my desktop, how can that be off topic?" CreationDate="2013-04-10T19:19:28.847" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10019" PostId="5375" Score="0" Text="I see an amazing amount of questions closed here on SF based on assumptions alone, which does nothing but add to the [hostility](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5337/why-the-hostility) perceived by new users." CreationDate="2013-04-10T19:20:03.163" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10020" PostId="5375" Score="1" Text="@Bryan: have you read [about] and windows 7 isn't a server OS. Wamp isn't a technology used in production it's an amateur." CreationDate="2013-04-10T21:41:39.597" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10022" PostId="5375" Score="0" Text="@Iain I'll raise another meta question later today as this issue has been bugging me for some time, and I think it warrants a separate question." CreationDate="2013-04-11T05:54:32.903" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10007" PostId="5376" Score="4" Text="Hate to post a &quot;Thank you&quot; comment, but I appreciate your candor with this. It seems far easier to demand &quot;no exceptions&quot; rules for what is/isn't off topic, rather than to find value in a potentially &quot;good&quot; question and help improve it." CreationDate="2013-04-10T01:18:10.950" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="10009" PostId="5376" Score="0" Text="Many of us are trying to find that sweet spot between helpful and critical, and the insight definitely helps." CreationDate="2013-04-10T02:15:33.390" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10015" PostId="5376" Score="1" Text="Mark pretty much hit all the highlights. The one thing I'd add is that if the person is not &quot;acting professionally&quot; I'm more inclined to shoot the question in the head. One can administer a home server in a professional manner and in those cases the &quot;home&quot; aspects  that otherwise render it off-topic are not really relevant and I'd let it live. On the other hand sometimes it's obvious we're talking about something that's NOT professional even though the *environment* might be (&quot;Help me set up a teamspeak server for my buddies on this box I put in my company's Rackspace cage!&quot;)" CreationDate="2013-04-10T06:07:29.907" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10035" PostId="5376" Score="0" Text="I agree that in most cases (such as your example) the &quot;at home&quot; parameter is irrelevant, but I seem to recall that mentioning a non-work setting was just about a guarantee that your question would be shunted off to SU (regardless of you having problems with mounting your iSCSI SAN in KVM *at home*)...  Hey, if this is the guideline now, I'm a happy guy." CreationDate="2013-04-11T13:40:14.670" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="10042" PostId="5376" Score="1" Text="This question didn't fail the &quot;home user&quot; test, it failed the &quot;development environment&quot; test." CreationDate="2013-04-12T00:37:31.917" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10044" PostId="5376" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton - since when did we only support systems that are in production?" CreationDate="2013-04-12T03:52:01.923" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10046" PostId="5376" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson: Have you read the [about] page ?" CreationDate="2013-04-12T06:46:11.450" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10047" PostId="5376" Score="2" Text="Since when do we support developers' development tools on their workstations?" CreationDate="2013-04-12T07:23:42.053" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10048" PostId="5376" Score="0" Text="@iain - so we don't answer questions about staging environments, or testing systems, or software using trial keys?" CreationDate="2013-04-12T08:59:40.243" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10049" PostId="5376" Score="0" Text="@michael - since you can edit out the part about where it's installed to make it on topic..?" CreationDate="2013-04-12T09:00:13.837" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10051" PostId="5376" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson: For me they would fall outside of a developer environment but YMMV. For a site that is 4 years old it really does amaze/concern me how ill defined our scope is and the amount of drama that causes." CreationDate="2013-04-12T10:36:30.690" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10060" PostId="5376" Score="0" Text="I think the right wording is *unmanaged* development environments. Yes, there's always going to be wriggle room around the wording, but it more clearly conveys the intent." CreationDate="2013-04-12T23:06:58.080" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10063" PostId="5377" Score="3" Text="Agreed. Any question that basically can be rewritten as &quot;take all your years of study, experience, and training, and condense them to a checklist for my use&quot; is at the very least clueless. The very first response was concise and clear - which IMAO is not hostile. The hostility started when the poster did not accept that answer." CreationDate="2013-04-13T10:11:33.257" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="10036" PostId="5378" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure why yo got downvoted. eLance has some decent contractors there, often guys like many ServerFaulters that have jobs, but also do side work for spare change. You have to pick through the extremely low-wage / low-talent pool, but there are gems there. It's a decent place to find quick spot-work as a contractor and also get contractors without having to use a recruiter or nag friends. (Disclaimer: I have an eLance profile)." CreationDate="2013-04-11T17:40:54.973" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10037" PostId="5378" Score="0" Text="(But yes, the original question was more specifically looking for StackExchange resources to find work, so perhaps this answer of yours would be better as a comment.)" CreationDate="2013-04-11T17:42:00.993" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10038" PostId="5378" Score="0" Text="I didn't see where the question was specific to SE, but I assume you are correct." CreationDate="2013-04-11T17:44:11.320" UserId="163251" />
  <row Id="10040" PostId="5380" Score="1" Text="Now if you want to ask a question about what's wrong with your I/O, perhaps we can help. Though as TomTom said, you should check the I/O yourself first..." CreationDate="2013-04-12T00:28:06.207" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10023" PostId="5381" Score="2" Text="Please note: it's not the WAMP/LAMP/MAMP questions that SF doesn't like, it's the pre-compired stacks such as those found at BitNami and WAMPServer.com. The pre-compiled built versions have low (or no) default security settings and are highly, highly unsuited to production." CreationDate="2013-04-11T09:23:59.910" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="10024" PostId="5381" Score="2" Text="@tombull89, &quot;Highly unsuited to production&quot;, yes, but that doesn't make it unsuitable to being used in a professional capacity, for instance by a developer for testing or development, so it's still on topic as per the FAQ if somebody is having to support it." CreationDate="2013-04-11T09:39:31.127" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10025" PostId="5381" Score="1" Text="Stackoverflow's faq puts this kind of developer environment explicitly within their bailiwick and they actively support the MS equivalent stack. Our [about] says don't ask... . We've been round this loop before too http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4087/why-was-this-xampp-question-closed-and-why-are-so-many-xampp-questions-being-clo was the latest. xamp/wamp/mamp stacks et al are not topical for us and are generally poor quality questions too." CreationDate="2013-04-11T10:06:31.553" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10026" PostId="5381" Score="1" Text="@Iain, thanks for highlighting the about link, it does categorically state `Anything in a home or development environment`, but **this is not reflected in the FAQ**, which is where we refer people to when they ask off topic questions, hence my misunderstanding. The FAQ doesn't actually conflict with about, but it's lacking detail, and the detail is better suited to the FAQ. So as per my closing statement, &quot;Should the FAQ be clarified&quot;, I believe it should be, even if just to stop people like myself creating duplicate meta questions?" CreationDate="2013-04-11T10:40:28.040" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10027" PostId="5381" Score="0" Text="@Bryan: When we tried to put lots of extra nuance in the faq we got told by the community team that that was not the purpose of the faq and that questions tagged [meta-tag:faq] on meta was the way to expand on the faq." CreationDate="2013-04-11T10:43:08.883" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10028" PostId="5381" Score="0" Text="@Bryan: I believe that new users get directed to the [about] page in an attempt to educate them about the way that SE in general and SF in particular operate but as ever you can lead ..." CreationDate="2013-04-11T10:45:21.547" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10029" PostId="5381" Score="0" Text="@Iain, I joined almost 4 years ago, and whilst I don't remember being directed to the about page at the time (I might have been, but honestly can't remember), the number of questions that are closed as off topic, for 'Anything in a development environment' with a reference to the FAQ, is I guess around 30-40% of the close votes in the review queue. The FAQ really should have those three extra words added IMHO. It's not like we're talking about the odd question every now and again. It's a large number of questions each day." CreationDate="2013-04-11T10:51:23.577" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10030" PostId="5381" Score="3" Text="...if we're saying &quot;your question is off topic, read the FAQ&quot;, the FAQ shouldn't conflict with this, which it currently does." CreationDate="2013-04-11T10:53:38.303" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10031" PostId="5381" Score="2" Text="@Bryan: The about page is new this year Jan 2013 and since April 2013 new players are shown a banner http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/59445/recent-feature-changes-to-stack-exchange refers." CreationDate="2013-04-11T10:58:16.830" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10043" PostId="5382" Score="2" Text="Might want to nix the *&quot;Woohoo!&quot;* line, it conveys the wrong intent on a skim. Yes, &quot;or development environment&quot; should be added to the FAQ to prevent ambiguity." CreationDate="2013-04-12T03:46:59.583" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10686" PostId="5382" Score="1" Text="Based on this post and a brief discussion in Chat, this suggestion has been implemented." CreationDate="2013-06-27T20:13:37.737" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10032" PostId="5383" Score="0" Text="+1 beacuse I agree entirely, but the OP of [this question](http://serverfault.com/questions/497771/setting-up-virtual-host-on-windows-apache) could have been a developer, or it could have been my fictitious Billy character, we don't know, but an assumption was made that it was a developer asking. If the OP was indeed Billy, he's just left SF with a sour taste in his mouth. Refer to the [hostility question](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5337/why-the-hostility)." CreationDate="2013-04-11T11:17:47.293" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10034" PostId="5383" Score="1" Text="@Bryan: Closing a question doesn't kill it, it can be improved and reopened (but simply removing home/developer use doesn't work for me). There are moves afoot to make this more obvious, I believe closed question will be put on hold for 5 days with information provided to the OP that they need to do some work (all very pink and fluffy). You'll hate me for this but for Billy the real answer is hire a professional, that professional doesn't have to be a sysadmin, it could be an educator because that's what he really needs." CreationDate="2013-04-11T13:38:22.490" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="16803" PostId="5383" Score="0" Text="@Iain &quot;Hire a trained professional&quot; is the most annoying advice ever spoken on the face of this earth. Even when it is the best advice." CreationDate="2015-01-22T18:03:05.073" UserId="197563" />
  <row Id="10177" PostId="5385" Score="0" Text="And what's the tragedy if they don't post another answer considering that the solution has been found?" CreationDate="2013-05-05T23:15:23.280" UserId="143063" />
  <row Id="10178" PostId="5385" Score="0" Text="@OC2PS - they can still answer their own question, and are encouraged to do so. They just can't give it the checkmark. So if they forget to come back and checkmark it, the answer is still there and should float to the top." CreationDate="2013-05-05T23:24:53.483" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10041" PostId="5386" Score="1" Text="It is completely off-topic for webapps.  It is kinda on-topic here, but the way it is currently written would almost certainly get it closed as Not Constructive, or Not a real question.  Your question simply does not provide enough meaningful context for people to provide a useful answer.  It is not asked in a way to get people to provide a good generic answer." CreationDate="2013-04-12T00:35:20.373" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="10053" PostId="5386" Score="0" Text="Question disappeared now and i did not make a copy :( is there a way to get the text back so i can edit and post it in server fault?" CreationDate="2013-04-12T15:10:44.757" UserId="167979" />
  <row Id="10045" PostId="5389" Score="0" Text="Your thought process is correct, but the OP is focusing on the fact that the FAQ page is inconsistent with the other pages in explicitly forbidding the development environment case." CreationDate="2013-04-12T05:21:45.170" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10050" PostId="5389" Score="1" Text="My take is that SF is for 'IT professionals' (Note that Developers, Systems Admins, Desktop Technicians and Help Desk staff are all IT professionals!), SU is for amateurs (desktops, servers, networks, etc), SO is for devs." CreationDate="2013-04-12T09:48:56.043" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10088" PostId="5389" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB Agreed and upvoted accordingly." CreationDate="2013-04-15T02:50:59.447" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="10092" PostId="5389" Score="2" Text="@Andrew You're assuming that the Powers That Be actually care about our opinion of how they handle the FAQ and About pages. They don't, as evidenced by how shabbily even the mods were treated during the early 2012 FAQ rewrite effort." CreationDate="2013-04-16T05:12:42.317" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="10124" PostId="5389" Score="1" Text="Oops – SO isn't about software development; it's for narrow programming questions. A question about &quot;setting up WAMP&quot; would (likely) get closed as off-topic there too. SO has this same 'boundary' issue too (i.e. which questions are on-topic), but more so." CreationDate="2013-04-18T20:11:21.320" UserId="40350" />
  <row Id="10062" PostId="5392" Score="0" Text="I strongly disagree with the idea of bothering the mods with things which the community can handle all by itself. Mods are meant to be [&quot;human exception handlers&quot;](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/05/a-theory-of-moderation/) and have enough flags to handle as it is." CreationDate="2013-04-13T07:39:02.417" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10071" PostId="5393" Score="0" Text="What about when someone else salvages the question? Very relevant to @tombull's [answer](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/5392/152073) and syneticon-dj's comment." CreationDate="2013-04-14T15:58:38.907" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10072" PostId="5393" Score="1" Text="@AndrewB: Erm, no idea." CreationDate="2013-04-14T16:12:19.537" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10085" PostId="5393" Score="1" Text="@AndrewB The question goes into the reopen queue regardless of who edits it." CreationDate="2013-04-14T20:05:03.963" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10054" PostId="5394" Score="1" Text="Agreed - This is not really a question that can be answered on Server Fault - it's something you'd learn in a 2-3 year apprenticeship under a senior systems administrator where you learn the care and feeding of `X` (where `X` is the OS and installed &quot;stuff&quot;)." CreationDate="2013-04-12T18:25:04.210" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10055" PostId="5395" Score="7" Text="Only one comment suggests the question might be better on Super User. Another mentions that you're asking for product recommendations and another has no comments. What makes you think that any should have been migrated? Secondly, you should probably be asking this on meta.sf... not sure what people here can do to help you with _why_ your questions got closed (specifically)." CreationDate="2013-04-12T20:42:35.000" UserId="144266" />
  <row Id="10056" PostId="5395" Score="0" Text="@Ben: Thanks, added comments; but I would like to address this issue more generally here." CreationDate="2013-04-12T20:55:25.710" UserId="113898" />
  <row Id="10057" PostId="5396" Score="0" Text="Deleted the first one. As for the second one, it's a &quot;how to choose&quot;, not &quot;which is best&quot; question, so I don't feel it's about product recommendation. But, you make a valid point I guess." CreationDate="2013-04-12T21:10:23.510" UserId="113898" />
  <row Id="10058" PostId="5396" Score="6" Text="Deleting questions won't help the question ban @einpoklum... they're taken into account..." CreationDate="2013-04-12T21:11:50.187" UserId="144266" />
  <row Id="10073" PostId="5399" Score="3" Text="It was probably closed as there is a distinct lack of any detail that would help with solving the problem." CreationDate="2013-04-14T18:00:03.900" UserId="29445" />
  <row Id="10074" PostId="5399" Score="6" Text="1. ask such on Server Fault Meta in the future. 2. Your question is off-topic for company size administration. It is an end user problem which fits better for Super User." CreationDate="2013-04-14T18:01:15.323" UserId="100458" />
  <row Id="10077" PostId="5399" Score="4" Text="@HenriqueOrdine NO! Don't ask on [su]. See my comment [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/176504/why-was-my-question-closed-on-serverfault/176506#comment529916_176505)." CreationDate="2013-04-14T18:16:57.213" UserDisplayName="Seth" />
  <row Id="10080" PostId="5400" Score="0" Text="My question IS about network routing!" CreationDate="2013-04-14T18:21:34.530" UserDisplayName="Henrique Ordine" />
  <row Id="10081" PostId="5400" Score="11" Text="@HenriqueOrdine No it's not. It's about connecting your *iPhone to your network* and is not in a professional capacity." CreationDate="2013-04-14T18:22:55.897" UserDisplayName="Seth" />
  <row Id="10082" PostId="5401" Score="0" Text="Thank you, Ward. Is it suitable for SuperUser?" CreationDate="2013-04-14T18:29:22.020" UserDisplayName="Henrique Ordine" />
  <row Id="10083" PostId="5401" Score="4" Text="I'm not sure... the way I read the SU FAQ, I think it would be since it's &quot;Home computer networking.&quot;  But as you can see, one of the other answers here says very strongly that it's not a good fit for SU.  If you want to really impress everyone, post a question on meta.superuser.com  and see what people there think.  (Mention that you got conflicting advice here.)" CreationDate="2013-04-14T18:36:37.620" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10091" PostId="5405" Score="0" Text="You're right, MDMarra, I don't know much about computer networks, but I happened to know the answer to my question already and it was a configuration on the router. I used to think any question related to routers were welcome here, but now I've learnt my lesson." CreationDate="2013-04-16T05:05:29.957" UserId="126796" />
  <row Id="10094" PostId="5405" Score="4" Text="@HenriqueOrdine &quot;I used to think any question related to routers were welcome here, but now I've learnt my lesson&quot; -- not *home* routers. This is less about what is not welcome here &amp; more to do with where your question will get a better answer. The fact is that most of us don't know much about the sort of home &quot;router&quot; you are talking about because it has as much in common with &quot;business-class&quot; routers most of us deal with as a kid's pedal-cart has in common with an 18 wheeler truck. Other sites in SE will have more people on them that can help you - as I see happened over on ask different." CreationDate="2013-04-16T14:57:24.713" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="10152" PostId="5405" Score="1" Text="These questions (and one that I recently asked) are misplaced &quot;here&quot; because 1. The popularity if the Exchange network is booming.  2.  If you're a noob, the difference between serverfault, superuser, unix.stackexchange, is splitting hairs.  There is a huge difference between StackOverflow where just about any question can be asked without ridicule and serverfault which has got to be the least friendly of the stackexchange sites.  The fact that there is such a discrepancy between how each site responds to &quot;general technology&quot; questions points to a glaring hole in the stack-exchange sites." CreationDate="2013-04-28T01:38:37.660" UserId="28182" />
  <row Id="10153" PostId="5405" Score="1" Text="@ChronoFish can you explain what part of our FAQ isn't clear? It's a technology site for technology professionals. Not a place for home users to ask professionals. Not a place for equipment in a home environment. It's pretty explicit." CreationDate="2013-04-28T02:26:39.733" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10154" PostId="5405" Score="2" Text="Not saying that it isn't clear.  I'm saying that once someone has written a question to the wrong site there are several ways of handling it, and the users/admins of serverfault do so in the least friendly way. If a professional network admin asks a question about installing Apache2 in Redhat SE, and a non-professional network admin asks a similar question about installing Apache2 on an Android USB computer, it's splitting hairs to call the non-professional out and tell him to &quot;go somewhere else&quot;." CreationDate="2013-04-28T02:58:07.840" UserId="28182" />
  <row Id="10155" PostId="5405" Score="0" Text="Sorry that you feel that way, but the scope of server fault has been discussed time and again. If you'd like to propose a change to relax the rules, create a new thread here on meta. As it stands essentially saying &quot;well, I think it should be different&quot; isn't a good argument. Write up what you perceive to be the pros and cons of such a proposal and let the community vote on it and give feedback." CreationDate="2013-04-28T03:23:08.130" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10156" PostId="5405" Score="3" Text="@ChronoFish when people post statements like yours I keep coming back to this: When we close a question here &amp; suggest(or migrate it to) elsewhere  we're not kicking people out of some garden of eden, *we're trying to help them get better answers to their problems*. Got a question about a home router,for example. It will *get better answers* on SuperUser than it will here, because home routers are  different to business-class routers &amp; *there are more people with knowledge and expertise on home routers on Super User than there are on Server Fault*. Getting good answers is what SE is all about." CreationDate="2013-04-28T09:04:35.327" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="10093" PostId="5406" Score="2" Text="There are some questions that are vaguely related, like using virtualhosts to increase your SEO, or implementing 301's for canonical URLs, but SEO is typically a side-effect that doesn't need to be a tag on its own" CreationDate="2013-04-16T05:19:25.833" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10095" PostId="5406" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson Implementing 301's (particularly with .htaccess) is very much on-topic for Pro Webmasters." CreationDate="2013-04-16T15:13:54.130" UserId="49157" />
  <row Id="10096" PostId="5409" Score="0" Text="Shift-Refresh? It has looked fine for me all day." CreationDate="2013-04-16T19:27:45.563" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="10097" PostId="5409" Score="0" Text="Which Key is that on a chrome browser." CreationDate="2013-04-16T19:39:30.147" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10098" PostId="5409" Score="0" Text="Hold down shift, and click the refresh icon, to the left of the address bar." CreationDate="2013-04-16T19:41:28.097" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="10099" PostId="5409" Score="0" Text="nope...didn't fix it.  I have tried to clear out my cache, and restart the browser without effect.  meta.serverfault.com is OK, but serverfault.com has bad formatting." CreationDate="2013-04-16T19:44:53.667" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10100" PostId="5409" Score="0" Text="Have you tried a different browser?" CreationDate="2013-04-16T19:46:16.117" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="10101" PostId="5409" Score="0" Text="different browser (opera,IE are ok) it is just chrome." CreationDate="2013-04-16T19:46:55.877" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10102" PostId="5409" Score="0" Text="Chrome Version 26.0.1410.64 m" CreationDate="2013-04-16T19:52:10.283" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10103" PostId="5409" Score="3" Text="Could you add a picture?" CreationDate="2013-04-16T20:06:05.843" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="10104" PostId="5409" Score="0" Text="Windows Chrome Version 26.0.1410.64 m here, no such problems. Have you any ad-block extensions, or other, installed?" CreationDate="2013-04-17T01:45:00.707" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="10115" PostId="5409" Score="0" Text="I have included a picture.  Remember all other SE sites are OK, it is just ServerFAult SE (even meta.serverfault.com is ok)." CreationDate="2013-04-17T05:34:10.910" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10116" PostId="5409" Score="0" Text="If you all have any suggestions to get the standard formatting, PLEASE HELP." CreationDate="2013-04-17T05:34:41.320" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10120" PostId="5410" Score="2" Text="Side note: People with high rep get random downvotes all the time. They really wont give it a second thought. Noob tend to freak out however, so better to be careful around them." CreationDate="2013-04-17T12:51:20.460" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10125" PostId="5410" Score="0" Text="Ok, a couple of people are making the assumption that I'm motivated by others' hurt feelings. It's actually more about correctness: I consider the downvote an error, and I want to correct it." CreationDate="2013-04-19T07:11:09.660" UserId="68259" />
  <row Id="10147" PostId="5410" Score="0" Text="One workaround to level it back out...just downvote every other answer. ;)" CreationDate="2013-04-23T15:42:22.790" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10105" PostId="5411" Score="0" Text="Vote for my answer, now with 3x more opinion!" CreationDate="2013-04-17T03:31:24.980" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10106" PostId="5411" Score="0" Text="I can't decide if I should leave my downvote in place to illustrate how stupid the tactical downvoting justification is..." CreationDate="2013-04-17T03:32:26.750" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10107" PostId="5411" Score="0" Text="Nooooooooooooooo my first ever negative scored answer" CreationDate="2013-04-17T03:32:58.920" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10108" PostId="5411" Score="0" Text="I'd forgotten the bit about how a 0 answer shows up before a -1..." CreationDate="2013-04-17T03:34:07.567" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10110" PostId="5411" Score="2" Text="If they don't edit it, then the original **possibly mistaken** reasoning for your vote still stands" CreationDate="2013-04-17T03:36:57.710" UserId="68259" />
  <row Id="10111" PostId="5411" Score="0" Text="@SteveBennett - correct. Not saying I agree with it, but I remember when it first came up and honestly - it doesn't cause too many issues. Just be glad it happened to such a high rep user who is already cynical and jaded, and so can probably survive a single downvote :)" CreationDate="2013-04-17T03:38:55.947" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10112" PostId="5411" Score="1" Text="You should see it over on SciFi.SE  I've seen whining from 5 of the top 8 users when they get a downvote." CreationDate="2013-04-17T03:40:36.140" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10113" PostId="5411" Score="5" Text="-1, excellent experience, would downvote again." CreationDate="2013-04-17T04:49:59.060" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10114" PostId="5411" Score="2" Text="Oh, darn, I wish I could take my downvote away now that my answer has benefited from being more prominent.  It really hurts me not to be able to..." CreationDate="2013-04-17T05:08:23.587" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10118" PostId="5411" Score="1" Text="You're eligible for a [badge](http://meta.serverfault.com/badges/38/peer-pressure) now :)" CreationDate="2013-04-17T07:37:24.067" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10123" PostId="5411" Score="0" Text="I thought the theory was - **'Take time to think before voting'**.  Be certain that the question is good or bad before you cast a vote." CreationDate="2013-04-18T18:16:48.037" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="10109" PostId="5412" Score="1" Text="Ah. Jeff Atwood. Again. Should have guessed. \ Anyway, I may have misunderstood the downvotee's answer, and maybe he was actually proposing something similar to what I gave as my answer." CreationDate="2013-04-17T03:36:10.843" UserId="68259" />
  <row Id="10119" PostId="5413" Score="5" Text="That's the mobile site you're seeing" CreationDate="2013-04-17T08:56:19.697" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10121" PostId="5413" Score="0" Text="If I get into that problem again, what do you suggest that I do?" CreationDate="2013-04-17T16:13:09.890" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10122" PostId="5413" Score="3" Text="@mdpc In the mobile layout, at the bottom in the footer, there is a link named &quot;full site&quot;. In the full version, the link is named &quot;mobile&quot;." CreationDate="2013-04-18T00:41:03.013" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="10126" PostId="5414" Score="7" Text="I don't think there can be any guidelines really. People should just ask questions and be prepared to be told and accept _'Nope you can't to that so don't waste any more time trying'_." CreationDate="2013-04-19T09:37:12.790" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10127" PostId="5414" Score="6" Text="I have to take exception with your first bullet. I've found non-profits/&quot;low budget&quot; operations clinging to ancient hardware are *usually* ignoring Total Cost of Ownership. They shun away from even the smallest Capital Expenditure while wasting Operational Expenditures on slow systems; or even when those people aren't paid they marginalize their community contribution. This certainly isn't every case, but *most* I've encountered. Business have the saying &quot;you have to spend money to make money&quot;; non-profits need &quot;you have to expend resource to help the community&quot; and sometimes that's *money*." CreationDate="2013-04-19T12:58:54.513" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10129" PostId="5414" Score="4" Text="quick answer: they are always on-topic.  However, there might not be any answers out there, so the question might languish." CreationDate="2013-04-19T20:32:34.693" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10132" PostId="5414" Score="1" Text="@ChrisS Good point.  In some cases a note that the asker would likely be better served by a newer system would be warranted." CreationDate="2013-04-20T01:10:03.213" UserId="137215" />
  <row Id="10131" PostId="5415" Score="7" Text="+1 - The questions are fine. The answers however may be nonexistent (because the technology is so ancient nobody remembers it), or not what the asker wants to hear (&quot;You can't do IPv6 with Windows 3.1&quot;). As long as someone asking about legacy systems isn't going to pitch a fit if their question falls into one of those two categories they're more than welcome to ask it here." CreationDate="2013-04-19T21:19:06.477" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10133" PostId="5415" Score="1" Text="Wow... Windows 3.11.. wasn't even thinking of anything quite _that_ old!  :)" CreationDate="2013-04-20T01:11:29.780" UserId="137215" />
  <row Id="10134" PostId="5415" Score="1" Text="@Kevin we have some questions of that vintage..." CreationDate="2013-04-20T02:54:09.160" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10135" PostId="5415" Score="1" Text="@Kevin Windows 3.11 is barely out of nappies/diapers. We manage [some of these](http://www.ricomputermuseum.org/Home/equipment/honeywell-dps-6) which are still used in production for a customer of ours and they are still going strong. They are still in use for the the reason explained in your third bullet point." CreationDate="2013-04-20T11:56:15.677" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10136" PostId="5415" Score="0" Text="Diapers? You mean Depends?" CreationDate="2013-04-20T13:34:46.617" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="10137" PostId="5415" Score="1" Text="@Bryan - I think my old [HP-48](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-48_series) had an emulator for those systems. You could run a whole farm of them off a single calculator, but you have to put in delay loops to slow the emulator down to keep the timing in sync." CreationDate="2013-04-21T05:53:32.467" UserId="6800" />
  <row Id="10175" PostId="5415" Score="0" Text="Sounds good to me.  I do think that, being a forum for professionals, questioning someone's choice (or lack of choice) of platform is missing the point.  If a question is asked here and it's framed in a professional manner, I think we need to assume that the questioner has a good reason for being where he is and go from there." CreationDate="2013-05-02T11:14:16.293" UserId="156599" />
  <row Id="10176" PostId="5415" Score="0" Text="I don't quite agree - there are times when choosing a different system would solve a lot of problems, regardless of how old the system is. But it can and should be done with reasonable courtesy." CreationDate="2013-05-02T11:27:55.760" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="10128" PostId="5416" Score="1" Text="The fact that its old doesn't make it NARQ imho, I've dredged up some old AS/400 memories to help people on here before now. I agree with Jenny - people with old systems can feel free to ask away... but they have to expect that answers might be few and far between." CreationDate="2013-04-19T20:04:18.947" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="10130" PostId="5416" Score="1" Text="Just for amusement, as I found in my a consulting gig, one of my clients was using software compiled in Microsoft Xenix executable format running on an old version of SCO UNIX (which supported this executable type).  So there might be some questions out there that somebody might need involving what we all consider ancient software or hardware. Oh, about the software, the original vendor went out of business but still the software was critical to the company operation and they refused to eat a large change." CreationDate="2013-04-19T20:35:08.653" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10138" PostId="5417" Score="0" Text="I was under the impression it's 8 comments between a commentor and the OP that causes the link to appear. If anyone else comments inbetween that time the counter is reset and the 8 comments have to start again." CreationDate="2013-04-22T13:53:16.530" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="10143" PostId="5417" Score="2" Text="I can never remember the link, but there is(was?) a URL you could add to a question and force the room to get created at any point in time." CreationDate="2013-04-22T19:45:25.130" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="10145" PostId="5417" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache that would be almost as helpful. *Someone* please find it" CreationDate="2013-04-22T22:50:04.530" UserId="105072" />
  <row Id="10146" PostId="5417" Score="1" Text="Wouldn't the comments be helpful for future visitors?  Is there a chat log link that is appended to the original question or comments?  There are times when I see clarification in comments that helps understand why the answer fits or doesn't fit in a certain situation." CreationDate="2013-04-23T15:37:56.963" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10149" PostId="5417" Score="1" Text="tbh the take it to chat feature is pretty useless.  generally when it is an argument at least one person is still giving info useful to the answer and it is not as if they are going to agree their differences and come back to the question with a summary" CreationDate="2013-04-25T16:14:01.177" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="10150" PostId="5417" Score="0" Text="Not false... I'm just really annoyed that the auto-chat function disables new comments on posts altogether" CreationDate="2013-04-25T16:31:37.487" UserId="105072" />
  <row Id="10139" PostId="5418" Score="0" Text="The reputation bar for chat is 20 (anywhere on the network if I recall correctly - the account you associate with chat needs 20 rep to talk). The flip side of this is chat `is *NOT* a place for live support` -- that being said, the comment system automatically offers people the opportunity to move an extended discussion into chat, and there's no reason you can't create a room and drop a link in the comments." CreationDate="2013-04-22T15:18:33.747" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10140" PostId="5418" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Although Chat isn't for live support, it's a great place to discuss grey area topics or chat generally" CreationDate="2013-04-22T15:19:22.567" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="10141" PostId="5418" Score="0" Text="True - it's just important to observe that line -- extended Q&amp;A/troubleshooting about a particular question should really go in a dedicated chatroom (and the results of that discussion obviously be edited into the question/answer as appropriate)" CreationDate="2013-04-22T15:27:38.783" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10142" PostId="5418" Score="6" Text="@voretaq7, The chat rule `is *NOT* a place for live support` is a rule in the Comms Room and a few other social channels. **That rule is not network wide.**  Lots of people provide live support in the Programming and other channels.  What is the point of the 'take this to chat' link if not to get support in chat?  **The chat system was put in place as a way to augment the Q&amp;A**, not simply as a social feature." CreationDate="2013-04-22T19:43:34.217" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="10144" PostId="5418" Score="1" Text="@Zoredache `I'd like to be able to invite people into Serverfault chat` &lt;-- to me this means &quot;The site chatroom&quot;, A/K/A The Comms Room.. I have no problem with the chat system being used to augment Q&amp;A discussion, as long as it is used appropriately (by **creating a room for the question-specific discussion**, and ultimately **merging the results of that discussion back into the question** as edits or a detailed answer capable of standing on its own without the chat room as context)" CreationDate="2013-04-22T20:42:02.783" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10151" PostId="5420" Score="0" Text="Hmm, I flagged the question and now it's been unmarked (and migrated to linux &amp; unix). I guess that's the recommended procedure?" CreationDate="2013-04-25T19:03:17.420" UserId="133416" />
  <row Id="10159" PostId="5424" Score="6" Text="Use whatever you want - simples." CreationDate="2013-04-29T21:28:19.067" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10160" PostId="5424" Score="1" Text="Temperature in Kelvin, notated in hexadecimal, expressed as an haiku?" CreationDate="2013-04-29T21:29:47.807" UserId="52999" />
  <row Id="10162" PostId="5424" Score="0" Text="@o: Now you're just being obtuse." CreationDate="2013-04-29T21:30:54.903" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10163" PostId="5424" Score="0" Text="@Iain you said i could use what i wanted..." CreationDate="2013-04-29T21:34:52.497" UserId="52999" />
  <row Id="10164" PostId="5424" Score="0" Text="Why the downvote?" CreationDate="2013-04-29T21:35:37.030" UserId="52999" />
  <row Id="10165" PostId="5424" Score="3" Text="@o: Do you want to be obtuse and use those measurements or do you want answers to your questions. The choice is simple really." CreationDate="2013-04-29T21:41:39.987" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10166" PostId="5424" Score="0" Text="@Iain No, i really like to know what the convention (if any) for this is. Forgive if i'm being silly to make a point." CreationDate="2013-04-29T21:51:04.450" UserId="52999" />
  <row Id="10169" PostId="5424" Score="5" Text="@oɔɯǝɹ The convention is &quot;Specify your units&quot;. We expect [*professionals*](http://serverfault.com/faq) to be able to do some math. As long as you're not doing something insane like expressing distance in Angstroms you'll probably be fine, and if you *do* insist on using insane units someone will probably edit the question to use one of the two &quot;standard&quot; systems (which one depends on who sees the question first - If I see it you're getting feet, pounds, and Fahrenheit, if Iain sees it you might get Meters, Stone/Kilograms, and Celsius)." CreationDate="2013-04-29T22:03:28.573" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10170" PostId="5424" Score="3" Text="It takes, literally, 5 seconds to open a new tab and type `90 degrees F in C` into search. Do you really think this is big enough of a problem that we should attempt to educate and enforce this across the tens of thousands of users that visit here? Is googling the conversion is you can't estimate it in your head enough of a problem?" CreationDate="2013-04-29T22:11:28.357" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10171" PostId="5424" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 can you make your comment into an answer?" CreationDate="2013-04-29T22:15:48.637" UserId="52999" />
  <row Id="10172" PostId="5424" Score="0" Text="I really don't understand the way this question is handled. First i get downvotes with no explenation, then rude comments, and now a delete flag. Does anyone have the courage to tell me what i did wrong with this question? Is this question offensive in some way? Whoes toes did i step on?" CreationDate="2013-04-30T06:12:45.793" UserId="52999" />
  <row Id="10173" PostId="5424" Score="3" Text="Votes on meta sites are different.  Explanations of specific downvotes are not required, the tooltip that appears over the downvote arrow is the default explanation.  There are no rude comments here - since English isn't your native language I think you are misunderstanding what's been said.  Voting to close is not a delete flag." CreationDate="2013-04-30T07:18:41.533" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10158" PostId="5425" Score="0" Text="Since this site aims to do more than just Q&amp;A, i don't think the unit used by the asker is the unit to use. Don't we aim to develop a widely usable knowledge base? I can't ask a question in Spanish and expect Spanish anwers either, so there are some common conventions. I'm curious what the convention for these units is." CreationDate="2013-04-29T21:27:24.733" UserId="52999" />
  <row Id="10161" PostId="5425" Score="7" Text="@o: The official language for non language specific sites is English. There are no official units of measurement." CreationDate="2013-04-29T21:30:35.123" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10167" PostId="5425" Score="1" Text="@oɔɯǝɹ The units specified by the person asking the questionare the ones that will be most useful to that person (i.e. the ones that *answer the question*) - The key is specifying the units. In terms of building a &quot;widely usable knowledge base&quot;, temperature conversion is not rocket science. Frankly, if someone can't manage to do conversion between common temperature units (F&lt;--&gt;C) (with the assistance of a pencil, the units program, or Google) I'm not sure I'd let them near my servers..." CreationDate="2013-04-29T21:51:24.447" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10168" PostId="5426" Score="0" Text="+1 for demonstrating why this is important" CreationDate="2013-04-29T21:57:46.490" UserId="52999" />
  <row Id="10186" PostId="5427" Score="0" Text="Celsius and Kelvin are SI units....with actually preference being given to Kelvin over Celsius in most scientific equations that I am familiar with.  You may mean you prefer K and C over F." CreationDate="2013-05-06T20:38:19.140" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10188" PostId="5427" Score="0" Text="@mdpc: No, the official SI base unit for temperature is the Kelvin, not Celsius (although the difference is just the shifted zero point) and I simply meant that since it's much more practical one shouldn't adhere strictly to the standard (I know people who do this - they are morons...) and use Celsius instead, which is allowed by the system anyway." CreationDate="2013-05-06T21:56:42.620" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10181" PostId="5430" Score="1" Text="**This is exactly what solicits debates and opinions. Imagine if you had asked &quot;Which is better - Coke or Pepsi?&quot;. See what I mean?**&#xA;&#xA;I don't see what you mean. There is a world of difference between comparative analysis (feature comparison, or discussion on relative advantages/disadvantages) and open-ended opinion trolling (which is better?)." CreationDate="2013-05-06T01:15:06.040" UserId="143063" />
  <row Id="10182" PostId="5430" Score="0" Text="**never voted either** &#xA;&#xA;Right, and if I don't get to the &quot;required&quot; reputation level, I won't be able to either. It's a catch 22. You're reducing my reputation by blocking me because I've not voted because my reputation is not high enough to vote? That's really not something that should be held against new users." CreationDate="2013-05-06T01:15:35.213" UserId="143063" />
  <row Id="10183" PostId="5430" Score="1" Text="**All you said was &quot;Oh yeah, it can do XYZ! Let me know how you go&quot;.**&#xA;&#xA;Well, it actually answered a key part of the intended question, which was &quot;can Varnish and W3TC work together?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-05-06T01:15:56.027" UserId="143063" />
  <row Id="10184" PostId="5430" Score="1" Text="**we expect you to be able to help yourself as well**&#xA;&#xA;Well, yeah, but in cases that I am able to help myself, I don't need to come to ServerFault. e.g. If I am asking about performance or reliability of a particular stack, I don't have the time, resources or skills to do a battery of tests." CreationDate="2013-05-06T01:16:18.763" UserId="143063" />
  <row Id="10185" PostId="5430" Score="8" Text="@OC2PS Comparative analysis ends up being a debate between differing interpretations of the same gross data more often than it shakes down into a single true answer, and that's when both parties are actually working from the same data (a lot of the time, they aren't). Then they end up with several equally valid answers. This is why 'advantages' posts get closed." CreationDate="2013-05-06T02:26:33.003" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="10190" PostId="5430" Score="1" Text="@OC2PS *we expect you to be able to help yourself as well Well, yeah, but in cases that I am able to help myself, I don't need to come to ServerFault* -- Helping yourself also applies to asking better questions in the first place. Helping us to help you, if you like. After all, we've all solved, or at least made significant progress, on problems through the simple fact of having to carefully articulate them to colleagues, right?" CreationDate="2013-05-07T10:50:17.383" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="10179" PostId="5431" Score="3" Text="I have never heard of a doctor using F in metric countries. And I live in a metric country and have multiple medical professionals in my family (including my wife)." CreationDate="2013-05-05T23:27:04.823" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10180" PostId="5431" Score="0" Text="Yeah, that statement was a little bit of a blanket statement. Stuff differs from country to country. e.g. UK doctors now uses C, but only a few decades ago, used F." CreationDate="2013-05-05T23:48:51.463" UserId="143063" />
  <row Id="10189" PostId="5437" Score="0" Text="same thing without the code blocks. I tried a longer title and it worked, thanks." CreationDate="2013-05-06T22:57:57.670" UserId="28678" />
  <row Id="10191" PostId="5440" Score="0" Text="Other bash and rsync questions on SF.    http://serverfault.com/questions/239256/error-in-bash-rsync-script?rq=1" CreationDate="2013-05-09T18:49:54.510" UserId="63914" />
  <row Id="10192" PostId="5440" Score="0" Text="http://serverfault.com/questions/505047/multiple-spaces-in-folders-and-files-for-rsync-backup-via-bin-bash-bin-sh/505052?noredirect=1#505052" CreationDate="2013-05-09T18:50:33.933" UserId="63914" />
  <row Id="10193" PostId="5440" Score="0" Text="http://serverfault.com/questions/420374/problems-with-bash-variable-expanding-with-single-quotes" CreationDate="2013-05-09T19:05:23.523" UserId="63914" />
  <row Id="10196" PostId="5441" Score="1" Text="The abruptness and lack of transparency have turned me off StackExchange too many times.   Thank you for being blunt." CreationDate="2013-05-09T19:27:20.890" UserId="63914" />
  <row Id="10205" PostId="5441" Score="1" Text="@rjt - I'll pipe up. I voted to close (and migrate to Unix.SE, I believe) for the reasons Michael Hampton brought up in his answer. There was no clear indication your question was in a professional context. I know and thank your for not cluttering your question with unnecessary background but sometimes a little background is the difference between solving the problem the right way and solving the problem the *wrong* way." CreationDate="2013-05-14T08:38:57.207" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="10233" PostId="5441" Score="0" Text="@kce, thank you for letting me know. I was not aware there was a vote to migrate." CreationDate="2013-05-14T21:08:09.740" UserId="63914" />
  <row Id="10194" PostId="5442" Score="0" Text="i believe adding context to the question would just make it longer and less likely to be read, not to mention demonstrate lack-of-focus.  Thank you for the suggestion.  i already know many alternate ways to solve this, but since i am a professional, i need to know why this is not working.  If i had not tested this, i would have polluted our existing network with malware.  Professional IT people need dependable, repeatable, and robust automation.  Alternate ways to solve a problem are sometimes a way of skirting around the issue." CreationDate="2013-05-09T19:25:25.070" UserId="63914" />
  <row Id="10195" PostId="5442" Score="1" Text="The point is, it wasn't at all clear from your question that you _are_ a professional. You may need to make that clear." CreationDate="2013-05-09T19:27:04.350" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10197" PostId="5442" Score="0" Text="i understand Michael and appreciate your candidness and insight of the SE platform." CreationDate="2013-05-09T19:31:12.263" UserId="63914" />
  <row Id="10198" PostId="5442" Score="3" Text="No problem. [sf] is different than other Stack Exchange sites in that we reject questions which aren't in a professional context. Some people get a bit carried away with it, though, since we have a very large number of such questions." CreationDate="2013-05-09T19:33:22.123" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10199" PostId="5443" Score="4" Text="As Hyper-V is a bit more &quot;involved&quot; than VMWare Player or VirtualBox, I'd say &quot;leave it be&quot; unless the OP is hopelessly out of their depth." CreationDate="2013-05-10T14:28:11.383" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="10200" PostId="5444" Score="7" Text="+1 - what makes most of the VMWare Workstation questions we get here &quot;Off Topic&quot; is that they're an end user asking us &quot;How do I do get `$game` running in VMWare Workstation?&quot; or similar crap. By contrast sysadmins asking questions like &quot;How do I manage a deployment of 1000 VMWare Workstation instances &amp; a standard VM?&quot; or &quot;We're thinking about using VMWare Workstation to give our developers local test environments, what do you think of `insert design here`?&quot; are great Server Fault questions, and we very rarely see them :-/" CreationDate="2013-05-10T15:32:37.963" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10201" PostId="5445" Score="4" Text="More details please. Are we to add more mods or replace current ones? It appeared that we had a [consensus in January](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4140/do-we-need-a-2013-election) that we don't need a 2013 election, so what has changed?" CreationDate="2013-05-13T21:17:34.453" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10202" PostId="5445" Score="0" Text="@SvW This question was automatically generated. Now I know we all talk to our computers, but it's usually profanity-laced exclamations... :)" CreationDate="2013-05-13T23:00:04.533" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10203" PostId="5445" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton: I know, but this question is here and can be commented on, in opposition to the election page, and I reckon either a mod or a SE staff member might see this and chime in." CreationDate="2013-05-13T23:26:19.453" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10236" PostId="5445" Score="1" Text="@SvW The election page says &quot;moderator positions available: 2&quot;. So with Iain throwing in the sponge, this would amount to one surplus position." CreationDate="2013-05-14T23:27:06.007" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10206" PostId="5446" Score="8" Text="I'm truly sorry to hear that you're standing down.  I can't say that I disagree with that one-line reason, either, but I'd dearly love to know in a little more detail what you're thinking.  Would you be prepared to expand on your reasoning, even if only a little, in case the community can learn from it?" CreationDate="2013-05-14T13:30:21.743" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="10207" PostId="5446" Score="4" Text="I wouldn't want to put words in Iain's mouth, but some people have discussed this at length already (maybe we could formalize it in a Meta post, but I'm not sure what good would come of it). There's a number of factors converging on [SF] which have really changed the &quot;mood&quot; of the site." CreationDate="2013-05-14T13:57:42.377" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10208" PostId="5446" Score="10" Text="Given the users we've lost recently (and no so recently) and now Iain stepping down I think it would be a good idea to start a meta thread about the changing dynamic of the site." CreationDate="2013-05-14T14:24:56.373" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="10222" PostId="5446" Score="5" Text="I know we haven't always seen eye to eye about certain things, but you've been a very positive influence here. I mean, hell, you organized sending a card halfway around the world for my wedding to a guy that most of the signers have never met in person. I'm not sure whether to upvote this or downvote it :) Either way, sad to see you go and I hope you stick around." CreationDate="2013-05-14T19:14:14.753" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10238" PostId="5446" Score="11" Text="@MadHatter: SF is no longer by professionals for professionals it is by professionals for amateurs and if you try to fix it then you're considered hostile and unfriendly - sums up why I'm standing down." CreationDate="2013-05-15T08:56:19.537" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10369" PostId="5446" Score="3" Text="So your problem is the site isn't exclusionary or elitist enough? Thanks for your service, but good riddance. Today's amateurs are tomorrows professionals. We should cater to anyone interested in the profession, and not just those privileged enough to be working in such an easy career." CreationDate="2013-05-20T04:30:27.337" UserId="18822" />
  <row Id="10373" PostId="5446" Score="5" Text="@EvanCarroll Yes, that put's a bow on it. Today's amateurs are tomorrow's amateurs, or worse, cargo cult administrators. Today's amateurs who Read The Friendly Documentation are tomorrow's Experts. Super User is for spoon-feeding amateurs, not Server Fault." CreationDate="2013-05-20T15:26:51.460" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10241" PostId="5448" Score="0" Text="It seems to me that mandatory question 2 is hard to answer for people who don't know what additional tools mods have behind the scenes, which group I suspect includes all non-moderators, including the candidates.  Does the site give them a private chat space?  An IM or stored messaging facility?  Do they all have each others email addresses?  If I were standing (God forbid) my answer to your question would depend very strongly on what mechanisms were available to me for contacting that other mod in a timely manner.  If you agree, could you shed a little light on those, to help the answers?" CreationDate="2013-05-15T15:54:58.920" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="10242" PostId="5448" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter Moderators can create chatrooms for their sites that have private level access. This is pretty much the only moderator-only tool we provide that can be used in this direction, if one goes in that direction." CreationDate="2013-05-15T16:07:07.867" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="10243" PostId="5448" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the clarification!" CreationDate="2013-05-15T16:13:26.620" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="10255" PostId="5448" Score="0" Text="Sf is essentially 4 years old, I think it's reasonable to expect mod candidates to be familiar with some of the tools that would be available.  5/6 candidates have been here from the beginning and even if they don't have access to mod-only chats and tools, have heard about them, and candidate 1/6 who hasn't been around as long is more than smart enough to have figured out what they are as well." CreationDate="2013-05-15T23:08:54.337" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10361" PostId="5448" Score="0" Text="@ward Yes, it's true, I figured out private chatrooms. I've just never had a need for one (yet)." CreationDate="2013-05-19T18:51:26.877" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10246" PostId="5449" Score="8" Text="IMHO the real question should be &quot;Should there be a `Network Engineering` site?&quot;..." CreationDate="2013-05-15T17:15:48.773" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10397" PostId="5449" Score="3" Text="The name may be **Server** Fault, but the site is not just about servers. Likewise, **Stack** Overflow is not just about stacks." CreationDate="2013-05-20T22:09:38.880" UserId="36178" />
  <row Id="10421" PostId="5449" Score="3" Text="@voretaq7 IMHO no." CreationDate="2013-05-21T23:28:16.760" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="10440" PostId="5449" Score="1" Text="@Zypher: You're not alone." CreationDate="2013-05-23T14:58:22.263" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10219" PostId="5450" Score="1" Text="Absolutely ....." CreationDate="2013-05-14T16:26:57.153" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10220" PostId="5450" Score="0" Text="This already exists, we already log activity and periodically check in on moderator duties done on each site on the network. So this question feels moot, unless you have a different motive behind it that I'm not seeing." CreationDate="2013-05-14T18:45:11.773" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="10221" PostId="5450" Score="2" Text="@GraceNote - my question wasn't whether it was done...I cited it was done...it's based on the potential moderator's opinion of whether or not they agree it should be done at all.  I'll update the question with an analogy to help clarify." CreationDate="2013-05-14T18:52:37.427" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10223" PostId="5450" Score="0" Text="That works for me. Thanks for the clarification!" CreationDate="2013-05-14T19:19:14.483" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="10210" PostId="5451" Score="2" Text="So why have a Network Engineering site at all then?  Why wasn't it told &quot;SF already covers all of this...no need for another site&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-05-14T14:58:08.593" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10212" PostId="5451" Score="7" Text="Others and I brought that up while the site was being proposed. A similar site proposal was already closed as a Dupe of SF. Apparently the Network Administrators are completely hung up on the name &quot;Server Fault&quot; and that they're not specifically mentioned in the FAQ as belonging (where System Administrators are). This was largely the same logic as the DBA site; which is active and healthy, though I believe largely at [SF]'s expense. Also, [Unix.se] is completely overlapped with [SF] and [SU]." CreationDate="2013-05-14T15:03:10.367" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10409" PostId="5451" Score="1" Text="FYI, the biggest problem with status quo (before the beta site proposal) is that theoretical networking questions fall through the cracks of both SO and SF... neither community truly embraces them, although sometimes you can sneak one through on SO (and Jeff officially said they are welcome there... different story for close-voters who love to hammer anything pure networking on SO)... disclaimer: I have not even signed up for the beta, but I am a professional network engineer and I've been somewhat frustrated by options for supporting my profession on SE to date" CreationDate="2013-05-21T03:44:38.697" UserId="78702" />
  <row Id="10410" PostId="5451" Score="1" Text="NE specifical says &quot;actual problems that you face&quot;, theoretical are explicitly off-topic there. So... try again?" CreationDate="2013-05-21T03:47:03.800" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10414" PostId="5451" Score="1" Text="You're choosing to focus on minutia instead of the point of the statement: **no SE site embraces theoretical networking questions**.  Regarding your comment about networking is off-topic for SO, that's technically wrong.  [Theoretical networking questions are part of Computer Science](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/88055/160519), which [Jeff endorses for SO participation](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/80058/160519)" CreationDate="2013-05-21T04:05:14.137" UserId="78702" />
  <row Id="10213" PostId="5452" Score="1" Text="The name is a common error code from *back in the day* - it's the same source as &quot;Stack Overflow&quot;. Unfortunately, few people are still familiar with it - lost in translation I guess." CreationDate="2013-05-14T15:19:52.300" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10215" PostId="5452" Score="3" Text="@ChrisS: Then I propose we rename the site to be Guru Meditation." CreationDate="2013-05-14T15:45:58.087" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="10216" PostId="5452" Score="0" Text="Why not &quot;Ignore, Retry, Fail?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-05-14T15:51:33.140" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10218" PostId="5452" Score="1" Text="@ChrisS: Not nearly as sexy." CreationDate="2013-05-14T16:26:51.990" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="10237" PostId="5452" Score="2" Text="I'm in the beta, and trust me - 99% of these questions would never attract any attention on ServerFault. We're talking about pretty high-end networking questions regarding unified fabric, MPLS and so on. Regular sysadmins almost never do the field work on those subjects." CreationDate="2013-05-15T06:56:01.950" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="10240" PostId="5452" Score="0" Text="@pauska That fits with my hope. It'll be worth watching to see how the public beta turns out." CreationDate="2013-05-15T11:42:47.160" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="10244" PostId="5452" Score="1" Text="@pauska They might not attract attention from the &quot;regular&quot; SF crowd, but that only seems to be true as Network Administrators seem to avoid SF as if they're off-topic here. I really don't understand the dynamic, but if a working site has the numbers who am I to call them out for being cliquey." CreationDate="2013-05-15T16:41:33.437" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10270" PostId="5452" Score="6" Text="I *hate* the site fragmentation.  Rather, I hate that they're completely separate sites.  If they were, say, *views* of the same question pool, I could dig that..." CreationDate="2013-05-16T18:50:54.930" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="10280" PostId="5452" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo: I waffle quite a lot on that. As a security guy with a systems background I like being able to decide whose viewpoint I can get. Due to the differing responsibilities of the jobs a dedicated security person may give a *very* different answer from a dedicated systems admin to the same question. Having the different sites allows us to explicitly seek different expertises. However, it also means that people with multiple roles, or multiple interests, have to spread themselves around. Either way you slice it the solutions are non-ideal." CreationDate="2013-05-16T19:36:37.213" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="10412" PostId="5452" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo The only relatively minor reservation I have with that is that theoretical questions are off-topic on SF across the board (though we do entertain them frequently). If we had views and opened SF to theoretical that would allow all the fragments to be complete overlap with SF. Doing so would require better input filtering however, as we already attract enough BS from those who ignore the FAQ." CreationDate="2013-05-21T03:50:19.817" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10422" PostId="5452" Score="0" Text="@ScottPack The main problem I have is that by fragmenting the sites Server Fault is largely deprived of the security perspectives we used to have (and security.SE can lean toward the Ivory Tower, lacking the real world practicality that Server Fault's community could bring -- though that's less of an issue from my casual perusing of security.SE). In a way it encourages cross-posting even though cross-posting is officially frowned upon: If you need more than one viewpoint you need to ask on more than one site..." CreationDate="2013-05-22T03:39:40.050" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10423" PostId="5452" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7: The cross-posting problem is tricksome to be sure. Ideally the entire network would be one nebulous glob with some kind of meta tagging and dynamic views to include what's relevant. For instance, even with grumbles of Sec.SE being a complete overlap of SF it's really more a subset of SF, SO, DBA, WebApp, Programmers, NetEng, RE, some others, and some of it's own. With SEI doing the Area51 model they've officially blessed and encourage fragmentation. It's definitely a hard thing for us to figure out how to work in." CreationDate="2013-05-22T04:19:45.867" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="10214" PostId="5454" Score="1" Text="The vast majority of their example questions I would consider &quot;administration&quot;. Seems like when HR gets a hold of a job title and want's to snazzy it up without considering the industry definition." CreationDate="2013-05-14T15:22:39.233" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12050" PostId="5454" Score="0" Text="Yup the purest definition is that an engineer makes network products rather than uses them.  If an engineer is someone who sets up a network, then what is there left to be administration?" CreationDate="2013-11-26T12:55:41.280" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="10224" PostId="5455" Score="1" Text="Fantastic. I love it." CreationDate="2013-05-14T19:33:16.563" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="10225" PostId="5455" Score="7" Text="Stop sucking up for my vote, Scotty. You have three choices: send me cash, send me alcohol, or win it the old fashioned way (take me out to lunch)." CreationDate="2013-05-14T19:34:30.150" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10226" PostId="5455" Score="1" Text="You missed your chance to drink with me kiddo." CreationDate="2013-05-14T19:41:16.390" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="10227" PostId="5455" Score="0" Text="I think it _is_ a problem and it's made worse by SE's willingness to create overlapping sites.  I'm not sure there's much that moderators can do about it, but it's worth thinking about." CreationDate="2013-05-14T19:45:05.467" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10229" PostId="5455" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner: I think the question is fantastic." CreationDate="2013-05-14T20:05:30.810" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="10230" PostId="5455" Score="4" Text="I think we miss some opportunities on product recommendations. People end up finding their own paths to solutions, but sometimes having experienced users chime in and say, *use X, it works* make sense." CreationDate="2013-05-14T20:20:17.910" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="10231" PostId="5455" Score="8" Text="Also, high-rep users don't ask enough questions!! I go out of my way to ask [**detailed and potentially helpful questions**](http://serverfault.com/users/13325/ewwhite?tab=questions). It's giving back to the community and the type of thing that can attract [great answers](http://serverfault.com/a/373975/13325) from infrequent visitors. Hmmm, but how do we retain users like that?" CreationDate="2013-05-14T20:28:33.540" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="10232" PostId="5455" Score="2" Text="*Humble brag alert*" CreationDate="2013-05-14T20:35:22.327" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10234" PostId="5455" Score="1" Text="It's not just the old timers, some of our rising stars see it too http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5337/why-the-hostility#comment9937_5337&#xA;http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5337/why-the-hostility#comment9954_5337&#xA;http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5337/why-the-hostility#comment9967_5351" CreationDate="2013-05-14T21:23:39.077" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10235" PostId="5455" Score="3" Text="@ewwhite: stop the front page from being a river of HALP!" CreationDate="2013-05-14T21:38:50.487" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10239" PostId="5455" Score="6" Text="Given the circumstances, this is probably the single most important question for new mod candidates that I can think of." CreationDate="2013-05-15T09:39:07.293" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="10245" PostId="5455" Score="0" Text="Maybe it's the fact that the standards for new users are too high that reduces participation. Not the other way around. IMO what's really ruining the site is the constant confrontation between new users who are trying to ask questions and old timers hammering them down with RTFF (my twist on RTFM but for FAQ)." CreationDate="2013-05-15T16:51:29.750" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="10247" PostId="5455" Score="0" Text="@Alex Sorry, but this question really wasn't supposed to drum up that discussion. If you take a look at what this thread is, this is a question that will (hopefully) be posed to moderator candidates. There are other existing meta threads where this kind of comment would be appropriate. I assume that the downvote on this question is yours. Is that because you disagree with my opinion, or you don't think a potential moderator should be asked this question? If you disagree with my stance but think a mod should be asked this, you used your downvote incorrectly." CreationDate="2013-05-15T17:17:25.517" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10250" PostId="5455" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra I did use the down vote incorrectly then. But I would add that giving your opinion on the matter and ask a potential moderator to confirm if they agree with you or not could be problematic. Unfortunately, because of the high rep you rightfully have, it might be seen as confronting influential members to disagree with one of them :). I would have tried to be as neutral as possible when submitting questions to potential moderators." CreationDate="2013-05-15T19:28:52.693" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="10252" PostId="5455" Score="3" Text="Luckily the reputation threshold for voting is very low (200 I believe). Having almost 60k rep still only gives me a single vote. :)" CreationDate="2013-05-15T19:42:49.487" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10482" PostId="5455" Score="0" Text="Wouldn't it be an easy solution to allow a configuration (if a user has e.g. 15K) that only those questions are visible to the user which have a positive voting (or at least +2, +3)?" CreationDate="2013-05-28T20:56:58.107" UserId="158153" />
  <row Id="10415" PostId="5456" Score="2" Text="The only reason those questions wouldn't work here is because the audience there flatly refuses to come over here to ask or answer networking questions. Self-fulfilling prophecy..." CreationDate="2013-05-21T04:57:53.953" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10306" PostId="5457" Score="0" Text="&quot;Wretched underbelly&quot; ...I like that phrase." CreationDate="2013-05-17T12:01:31.960" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="10251" PostId="5458" Score="1" Text="Same question was asked back in 2011.  Apparently times stay the same in the political world :) http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1108/list-of-questions-for-candidates-in-2011-moderator-election?rq=1" CreationDate="2013-05-15T19:29:30.377" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10400" PostId="5458" Score="0" Text="IMO This site does not do what I would want in exactly the above sense.  I feel the chance of a good question exists far more on SO than here. So, as you can tell from my rep, I'm seldom active here. I'd love to see good questions on page 1.  Do not know how to make it happen." CreationDate="2013-05-20T23:27:40.607" UserId="47435" />
  <row Id="10248" PostId="5459" Score="1" Text="I think this is a good question, but it's an issue that's been around for long enough that I think there's a standard answer: for borderline questions, a mod should generally wait until there's some community indication (flags, close votes) of what to do before hammering a question." CreationDate="2013-05-15T18:49:01.973" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10249" PostId="5459" Score="0" Text="True, the issue is perennial, but nobody had yet explicitly asked the question, that I saw here." CreationDate="2013-05-15T18:51:28.920" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10254" PostId="5459" Score="1" Text="This actually comes up perennially in the Town Hall chats -- it's probably worth it being one of the &quot;standard survey&quot; questions just to save bandwidth during that event :-)" CreationDate="2013-05-15T21:43:50.570" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10256" PostId="5461" Score="2" Text="Take a look at, http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1986/what-are-the-canonical-answers-weve-discovered-over-the-years. It doesn't really require high rep or a diamond to do this. You can always flag something as a duplicate too." CreationDate="2013-05-16T10:53:21.060" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10258" PostId="5461" Score="0" Text="Along the same lines, the debate about whether or not a [tag:canonical] tag on the main site is worth having has come up a few times -- we've generally decided it's &quot;Too Meta&quot; but if enough people have a different opinion we may break with general network policy on that..." CreationDate="2013-05-16T15:25:28.690" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10290" PostId="5463" Score="2" Text="ABSOLUTELY the problem here!" CreationDate="2013-05-16T21:01:51.900" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10556" PostId="5463" Score="0" Text="I definitely have noticed the quality of questions going down. This is testified by the amount of 0 or negative score questions and closed ones. It's quite painful..." CreationDate="2013-06-11T18:32:44.940" UserId="106102" />
  <row Id="10262" PostId="5464" Score="3" Text="For me (as someone who isn't sharp enough to contribute too many answers), the value of the main site is in reading _your_ answers (and ewwwwww's and Evan's and Iain's and ...)" CreationDate="2013-05-16T18:36:58.250" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10264" PostId="5464" Score="4" Text="@Ward Thanks! It's flattering to be put in the same group as Evan and the others, but that's part of my point! Evan doesn't contribute much. Iain is stepping down and losing interest. I'm really only active in chat any more. Ed is a madman motivated by filthy precious rep points. :) But how do we keep people like Iain and Evan interested in the main site? I used to contribute a lot when I would read interesting questions and then contribute to ones I knew the answer to. Lately there are far fewer things worth clicking on (in my opinion) which leads to me participating less." CreationDate="2013-05-16T18:39:45.247" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10387" PostId="5464" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra - I have seen the same thing.  Wonder if there are just only so many &quot;good&quot; questions." CreationDate="2013-05-20T19:31:56.787" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10259" PostId="5465" Score="6" Text="And why aren't you running for moderator?" CreationDate="2013-05-16T18:13:43.560" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10260" PostId="5465" Score="0" Text="I ran last year and considered running again this year, but I'm way too busy at work to be effective. I thought about running just for the swag that they send candidates, though :)" CreationDate="2013-05-16T18:14:47.780" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10268" PostId="5465" Score="1" Text="To be fair, some of those do seem to be reasonable questions, even if they were asked by developers. I _still_ don't understand VMware, and that's because their marketing department went out of their way to make all the names confusing." CreationDate="2013-05-16T18:46:23.673" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10269" PostId="5465" Score="0" Text="Right. Like I said, not all questions asked by users with higher rep on SO are necessarily bad. But, it *does* give credence to the complaints that SF is no longer *for* IT Pros. It's turning into free tech support rather than a place where Pros and share expertise with other Pros. A one minute phone call to a sales rep would have answered the VMware question. We really shouldn't have to spell out product features. That's what sales people are for. We should be asking and answering questions *about* vSphere and vCloud. Not explaining what features they have." CreationDate="2013-05-16T18:48:15.627" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10273" PostId="5465" Score="7" Text="The questions are fine. *Pro Sysadmins* are not the only ones who can benefit from this site. I'm glad someone would come to SF to ask about on-demand computing resources or to get a sanity-check on an application design's infrastructure. There are a lot of organizations that rely heavily on DevOps staff whose primary responsibilities lie on the software side. Why the hate?" CreationDate="2013-05-16T19:05:37.437" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="10275" PostId="5465" Score="2" Text="There's no hate. If there's a DevOps engineer that asks an intelligent and on-topic question, that's fine. What I *am* saying is that most of the drivel is from users that are, in reality, *not* an IT Pro. They are either pure devs or enthusiasts. They're the most vocal when their questions get closed for being trash. If someone asks a relevant, properly detailed, on-topic question, I don't care what their title is. It's just that the bulk of the crap anecdotally appears to be coming from people who are *not* Server Fault's target audience, and that's a problem." CreationDate="2013-05-16T19:08:13.637" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10276" PostId="5465" Score="4" Text="For example, Tom O'Connor and Joel E Salas are two Devops guys that bring a lot of value to this community. They're not Sysadmins by trade but they bring good, on-topic content and participation here. The guy that asked about why his ASUS consumer router was causing his CPanel sessions to disconnect...well that's another story." CreationDate="2013-05-16T19:10:09.363" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10283" PostId="5465" Score="3" Text="Cripes - look at the last 8 hours of questions. Horrible." CreationDate="2013-05-16T20:08:23.777" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="10287" PostId="5465" Score="4" Text="&quot;meaning that they are likely developers and not IT pros&quot;. Developers _are_ IT pros, as are help desk staff, technicians, systems administrators, licensing specialists, DBAs, etc. Basically anyone who works in IT, is by definition an IT Professional." CreationDate="2013-05-16T20:47:46.973" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10288" PostId="5465" Score="3" Text="@Bryan: That's not the definition of IT Pro here though - here they're amateurs." CreationDate="2013-05-16T20:53:47.357" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10292" PostId="5465" Score="2" Text="@Bryan Rarely are developers considered &quot;IT Pros.&quot; Sometimes they're considered part of a larger IT department, but IT Pros usually refers to sysadmins, network admins, desktop support, etc. Again, being a dev doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to ask a bad question, **but** the vast majority of terrible questions here do tend to be from developers who have found their way over here from SO. Development is its own distinct skillset that doesn't have a ton of overlap with being a sysadmin. I'm not saying that they should know what we know, but they're part of the problem, IMO." CreationDate="2013-05-16T21:04:07.460" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10293" PostId="5465" Score="4" Text="@Iain, sorry, but I don't agree. If I insist that the sky is green just because it suits me, that doesn't make the sky green. A developer is an IT pro, plain and simple." CreationDate="2013-05-16T21:04:58.043" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10294" PostId="5465" Score="0" Text="@ewwhite: Ed no hate just a wish to get rid of a river of halp !" CreationDate="2013-05-16T21:05:26.673" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10295" PostId="5465" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra, I'm not denying the poor quality of questions from devs, but whilst the FAQ encourages questions from IT Pros, developers are always going to feel welcome. 'IT Pro' is not the correct term." CreationDate="2013-05-16T21:06:50.820" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10296" PostId="5465" Score="3" Text="@Bryan: That works both ways - most if not all of the devs I know don't consider themselves IT Pros and they refer to the sysadmin teams as IT." CreationDate="2013-05-16T21:07:02.977" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10297" PostId="5465" Score="3" Text="@Iain, People might interpret it that way, [much like a vacuum cleaner is often referred to as a 'hoover' in the UK](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hoover_Company#The_word_.22hoover.22). But you can't change the definition of [IT professional](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT_professional) just because it suits, or because people consider the term synonymous with professionals that support networks and servers, as this will just lead to confusion, and poor quality questions." CreationDate="2013-05-16T21:22:48.133" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10328" PostId="5465" Score="2" Text="+1 for &quot;summer of relentless massacre&quot;." CreationDate="2013-05-17T16:19:45.577" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="10261" PostId="5466" Score="0" Text="*&quot;Why the downvote?!&quot;* --Yes, I hate those comments too." CreationDate="2013-05-16T18:35:28.513" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="10263" PostId="5466" Score="5" Text="The problem here is, to everyone else, &quot;IT Professional&quot; _excludes_ developers." CreationDate="2013-05-16T18:38:14.427" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10265" PostId="5466" Score="4" Text="Funny, but in most of the enterprises that I've been in, most (if not all) of the developers were in the IT department with me.  They were also being paid the same way as me, generally making them - by definition - a Professional.  If we don't want developers asking questions, why not change the scope?" CreationDate="2013-05-16T18:40:00.773" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="10266" PostId="5466" Score="0" Text="You make a good point. Perhaps the developers _think_ they're IT professionals. The FAQ and About page could definitely be clarified, in this case." CreationDate="2013-05-16T18:42:37.817" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10267" PostId="5466" Score="2" Text="@gWaldo: I guess the main reason to not to change this text is that none of us, including the mods, can, it has to be done by SE staff." CreationDate="2013-05-16T18:42:41.267" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10271" PostId="5466" Score="2" Text="I don't understand why it matters if developers are included in the &quot;IT Pros&quot; definition. Either way it doesn't give them or anyone else a free pass to ask off-topic, low quality, or stupid questions. Are people coming to SF and seeing the &quot;IT pros&quot; clause and thinking &quot;I'm a dev! That means I can ask anything, right?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-05-16T18:56:02.090" UserId="130858" />
  <row Id="10272" PostId="5466" Score="2" Text="@r.tanner.f Yes, developers are doing exactly that." CreationDate="2013-05-16T19:04:20.203" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10274" PostId="5466" Score="2" Text="@gWaldo To be brutally blunt: Developers have their own site (actually they have TWO of them: Stack Overflow and Programmers), and as end users/power users they have even more sites (Superuser, Unix &amp; Linux, Ask Different, Ask Ubuntu).  Server Fault was intended to be for the systems/operations equivalent of developers: The people whose profession is building and maintaining servers, networks, or managed desktop environments. &quot;How do I get my IP address?&quot; is not the kind of question such a professional would ask - it's like a C programmer asking what `#include` does..." CreationDate="2013-05-16T19:06:48.953" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10277" PostId="5466" Score="0" Text="@r.tanner.f I agree: It absolutely does not give them a free pass. But we can downvote, close, and edit without being hostile.  ...Well, we *should* be able to..." CreationDate="2013-05-16T19:16:48.923" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="10278" PostId="5466" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 So we build up the Canonical question list and close as duplicate.  With extreme prejudice." CreationDate="2013-05-16T19:18:11.773" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="10286" PostId="5466" Score="0" Text="IT Professional has historically included developers up until recently, oddly I've seen it pushed heavily by Microsoft." CreationDate="2013-05-16T20:28:45.037" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10289" PostId="5466" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton, please refer to my comment to MDMarra's answer regarding 'developer' and 'IT professional'. Speaking of the about page and FAQ page though, and I apologise to all for constantly banging on about this, [but they carry conflicting information](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5381/interpretation-of-off-topic). How can we expect the quality of questions to improve when we can't even get our own guidelines correct?" CreationDate="2013-05-16T20:59:15.297" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10291" PostId="5466" Score="0" Text="@Bryan Funny, I just made the same point in chat not long ago." CreationDate="2013-05-16T21:02:40.813" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10298" PostId="5466" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton: As no one ever reads it, it really doesn't matter what's in it most of the time." CreationDate="2013-05-16T21:51:24.870" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10313" PostId="5466" Score="7" Text="As one of those programmers that comes here whenever I have a question about a server, I can tell you that this is absolutely a huge part of the problem. &quot;IT Professional&quot; to most people means any person that has a career working with information technology." CreationDate="2013-05-17T15:00:23.283" UserId="53676" />
  <row Id="10279" PostId="5467" Score="0" Text="I'm good with all of this." CreationDate="2013-05-16T19:25:17.993" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="10281" PostId="5467" Score="7" Text="I, of course, like &quot;Downvote&quot; and &quot;Vote to Close&quot; as methods of enforcement.  Maybe combined with firm but not snarky &quot;standard&quot; comments." CreationDate="2013-05-16T19:42:41.663" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10282" PostId="5467" Score="5" Text="The key with closure or downvoting as an enforcement tool as there needs to be some feedback to the user -- the forthcoming changes to close votes (including custom per-site close reasons) will help with that." CreationDate="2013-05-16T19:44:55.867" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10284" PostId="5467" Score="3" Text="Maybe all we need is a few agreed-on closing reasons (like your list, maybe a couple more) and corresponding meta Q&amp;A to point people to.  VtClose as NARQ, throw in a comment &quot;Your question doesn't include enough information.  See (link) for ideas on what needs to be improved in your question to get it reopened and answered.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-05-16T20:15:22.620" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10285" PostId="5467" Score="2" Text="Of course, even as I wrote that, I was thinking of the endless posts on meta.SO &quot;Why can't I ask questions?&quot;  where people claim to have read the post that explains the question ban..." CreationDate="2013-05-16T20:16:09.777" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10459" PostId="5467" Score="1" Text="Is it possible that anyone, 1-2 years into server admin, can't troubleshoot a simple HTTP error?  Criminal." CreationDate="2013-05-25T06:49:19.700" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="10299" PostId="5468" Score="0" Text="You mean basically employ some crass commercialism? :-)" CreationDate="2013-05-16T21:54:05.493" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10300" PostId="5468" Score="8" Text="No. People should come here because they want to contribute and help people, not for some stupid worthless &quot;achievements&quot;. SE already took this  gamification nonsense way to far with all those badges people want to get for some unfathomable reason. The end result? People want a badge and do tons of worthless edits that other users need to check or they blindly click on review buttons without really reading the stuff they are reviewing. This in turn ended in the creating of the review audit system (treating the symptoms) instead of treating the cause (wrong incentives)." CreationDate="2013-05-16T22:18:00.497" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10301" PostId="5468" Score="0" Text="So, no, please don't add any more of this stuff. At least in my case, it would be exactly counterproductive." CreationDate="2013-05-16T22:19:01.313" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10302" PostId="5468" Score="0" Text="re:2 That's what badges are for  re:3 Look how well the SF blog is going...  Basically, it doesn't look to me like SE, Inc has the time (or it may be the inclination) to promote the site more widely to SysAdmins" CreationDate="2013-05-16T22:47:22.727" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10303" PostId="5468" Score="0" Text="@SvW So basically Plain Vanilla" CreationDate="2013-05-17T00:37:23.733" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10304" PostId="5468" Score="1" Text="Personally, I love the &quot;lunch and learn&quot; idea with top users in each tag or area." CreationDate="2013-05-17T03:06:35.503" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10305" PostId="5468" Score="0" Text="There are [only 18 30K+ users](http://serverfault.com/users?tab=reputation&amp;filter=all) right now. That number probably should be tweaked a bit." CreationDate="2013-05-17T05:31:51.353" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10310" PostId="5468" Score="0" Text="There are &quot;accomplishments&quot; in other communities. They seem not to help the problem." CreationDate="2013-05-17T13:35:29.907" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10341" PostId="5468" Score="0" Text="The point of my post was that the site has two choices (analogous to a business if you will).  It can be happy with the current traffic, retention rates, etc. or if it isn't it can choose to try new things to attract new clients/visitors.  I'm not saying the site should be the midway at the state fair, but it could use a little color and excitement." CreationDate="2013-05-17T20:41:37.893" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10307" PostId="5469" Score="5" Text="I do agree with a lot of this, but not: `stop whining - there is no one forcing you to read bullshit` Of course there is no one forcing anyone to read bullshit. However, the lower the signal-to-noise ratio, the less participation you'll get from highly skilled admins willing to share their knowledge. I look at it as &quot;I have two choices. Whine now and maybe something changes, or gradually stop contributing to SF as the quality keeps dropping.&quot; If you really want many of the top users that feel this way to keep quiet, many will just disappear from the community." CreationDate="2013-05-17T13:14:34.603" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10308" PostId="5469" Score="1" Text="@MDMarra it is not about reducing the contribution, it is about focusing it. I believe there is little value in having a high-profile AD admin spend his or her time with reading and closing or migrating irrelevant questions about Ubuntu Linux. The time likely would be much better spent if these questions were filtered out of this user's view. &quot;stop whining&quot; is not meant as a call to shut up but to build individual barriers." CreationDate="2013-05-17T13:21:23.927" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10309" PostId="5469" Score="0" Text="Also, this is a problem which nobody else would be able to fix for you - as the barrier is individual (and even constantly changing), everybody needs to fix it for himself." CreationDate="2013-05-17T13:34:35.900" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10311" PostId="5469" Score="5" Text="It's not just me (as evidenced by conversations in chat and upvotes on posts made on this topic). There is a noticeable decline in content on the site. If the answer is &quot;It's going to keep droping, adapt or leave&quot; then that's fine. I'm hoping that there's another solution, which is why I've been participating in these meta posts." CreationDate="2013-05-17T13:36:57.760" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10312" PostId="5469" Score="2" Text="I need to think about this some more, but wanted to say: I agree with a lot of this ie that it happens everywhere.  But the premise of SF (and all SE sites) - the thing that makes them different/better - is the rating of questions/answers: good posts are supposed to stand out by being upvoted, while bad ones get voted down.  The reason the zillions of pointless questions are a problem is that even with filtering, they drown out the good ones, making it hard for people to rate them." CreationDate="2013-05-17T14:08:41.273" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10332" PostId="5469" Score="4" Text="I don't disagree with a lot of this, but my ability to cope with rubbish on USENet was driven largely by the toolchain available.  SF gives me no ability to killfile a user, or to only see posts from people with &gt;n rep, or customise my home page (eg, new questions sorted by rep of user asking).  NNTP readers gave me all of that, and that helped keep USENet relevant for me longer than I'd expected.  But it still died in the end; the only newsfroups I read now are unofficial local ones propagated between consenting server admins." CreationDate="2013-05-17T16:40:12.617" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="10333" PostId="5469" Score="0" Text="Sorry to go on; I should note that one tool I do use is &quot;ignored tags&quot; - but my list of ignored tags is now over a hundred long, and I'm still hard put to keep up with the remainder." CreationDate="2013-05-17T16:44:04.167" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="10344" PostId="5469" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter If things are missing in the toolchain, there should be a way to help that. Either by asking the SE devs or by hitting the API directly. As for the reason why the Usenet is dead, it is surely not because it has been drowned in posts, it is quite the opposite: as it is anything but a low-threshold medium by today's standards, it has been simply dried off due to the lack of new users. So we should not just dismiss any lessons learned there but take a second look - I am quite confident the Server Fault community could benefit from a lot of that." CreationDate="2013-05-18T07:16:59.843" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10435" PostId="5469" Score="1" Text="I agree with all of this answer, but #3 seems like it has a good chance of really cutting down on burnout from sifting through crappy questions. Instead of trying to actively &quot;fix&quot; every...single...bad question that comes in, just ignore them and if they're really that bad then bulk-close them after awhile. This will have 2 effects - 1. less burnout on high-rep users since they can just ignore bad questions, and 2. improve the experience for crappy posters, because they won't be hit with negative comments, immediate closure, think we are mean people, etc...They will just hear crickets." CreationDate="2013-05-23T12:42:46.393" UserId="12303" />
  <row Id="10314" PostId="5470" Score="5" Text="This is my opinion, of course, but that's one of the issues that we tried to address with last year's FAQ revision. Unfortunately, those revisions were denied by Corporate and we're stuck with referring people to some meta post instead of a clearly-defined FAQ page." CreationDate="2013-05-17T15:06:02.707" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="10315" PostId="5470" Score="4" Text="@Adrian I have no idea what happened last year, however if your site really is for sysadmins only then that really needs to be spelled out in the FAQ, and I see no reason why SE would deny such a change. We actually made a reverse change on the Workplace (specifying the topic instead of the audience in the FAQ), and it even got [approved by Jeff himself](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1819/?lq=1#comment2529_1822). However if SE was denying your site changing to sysadmins only, then I don't think there's much the community can do about it, as Programmers showed me." CreationDate="2013-05-17T15:10:55.407" UserId="53676" />
  <row Id="10316" PostId="5470" Score="2" Text="That's both very well put and very right." CreationDate="2013-05-17T15:12:19.680" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="10317" PostId="5470" Score="6" Text="@Rachel Superb post, thanks for sharing. I completely agree" CreationDate="2013-05-17T15:12:19.787" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="10318" PostId="5470" Score="1" Text="SysAdmin is a generic term, replacing &quot;Operator&quot; (long history you don't want to know). Network, Database, Security, Application, and Infrastructure Engineers (builds) and Administrator (maintains) are all specializations of SysAdmin so to say. Help Desk are also &quot;allowed&quot; here. When we tried to put all the pertinent details in the FAQ it turned into an encyclopedia article, so it got trimmed back to what it is now... You're right that it needs some help." CreationDate="2013-05-17T15:15:36.507" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10319" PostId="5470" Score="1" Text="`and am probably one of those people you talk about that are not really wanted here. ` I don't want my post to sound like I want a &quot;no devs allowed&quot; club. In fact, some of the smarted people on this site are or were primarily developers. The problem is that most people with background that is primarily development aren't equipped to ask a good, interesting, on-topic question here any more than I'm qualified to ask an intelligent question about software development. The difference is that SF is only for professionals and SO is for amateurs *and* pros." CreationDate="2013-05-17T15:15:41.993" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10320" PostId="5470" Score="2" Text="Some side notes: The FAQ and About page are indeed out of sync and should be brought into sync. The How to Ask text is a hard-coded `Is your question about %s?` where `%s` is a site-specific string." CreationDate="2013-05-17T15:15:53.717" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10321" PostId="5470" Score="2" Text="Also, for what it's worth, I immediately recognized your user name and avatar and didn't cringe, so you specifically aren't part of my rant earlier :)" CreationDate="2013-05-17T15:16:40.887" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10322" PostId="5470" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton From what I learned when trying to modify the [Workplace description](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/1803/316), moderators can modify the top of the `/About` and `/FAQ` pages, and SE modifies 3 fields in the database about the site (Name, Topic, and Audience) that propagate a bunch of other descriptive stuff about the site. (And MDMarra, I'm glad you didn't cringe at the sight of me ;))" CreationDate="2013-05-17T15:25:12.230" UserId="53676" />
  <row Id="10323" PostId="5470" Score="0" Text="Yep. And... `&quot;audience&quot;: &quot;professional system and network administrators&quot;,`" CreationDate="2013-05-17T15:28:24.353" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10329" PostId="5471" Score="4" Text="I strongly agree with you." CreationDate="2013-05-17T16:19:45.793" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="10330" PostId="5471" Score="8" Text="I regret that I only have one upvote to give to your suggestion." CreationDate="2013-05-17T16:20:13.127" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10324" PostId="5472" Score="0" Text="I had heard it mentioned that there was a failed FAQ rewrite in the past, but I couldn't find it on meta and assumed it was simply trying to do too much. This proposal is only to change the opening line so it matches the About Page's opening line, because as a fairly inactive ServerFault user who frequently needs to check the FAQ before posting, I found the About page opening much more helpful at conveying the site's scope than the FAQ opening :)" CreationDate="2013-05-17T15:52:07.897" UserId="53676" />
  <row Id="10326" PostId="5472" Score="2" Text="The rewrite wasn't failed so much as the initial attempts tried to solve too many problems, so it got trimmed back until it only solved the worst problems. The influx of &quot;poor&quot; questions has caused new problems however, and now the attention is focused there. It's sort of a &quot;pick you battles&quot; situation, but any way you look at it you're still losing." CreationDate="2013-05-17T16:03:44.707" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10327" PostId="5472" Score="0" Text="lol ok, so does your answer mean you'll make the change, or disagree with the change? I'm a bit unclear about that. :) I know moderators can change the FAQ, and the exact &quot;single sentence&quot; wording of the change I'm proposing is in the question." CreationDate="2013-05-17T16:11:48.127" UserId="53676" />
  <row Id="10334" PostId="5472" Score="0" Text="Moderators can **not** change the FAQ. Only blessed Stack Exchange employees can. =]" CreationDate="2013-05-17T16:46:36.390" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10335" PostId="5472" Score="0" Text="Hrrm is that something specific to ServerFault? Because I know moderators can make changes to the top section of the FAQ on other sites, and was recently shown [screenshots](http://i.stack.imgur.com/dLAs7.png) of how it looks by another mod when I was asking what they could edit :)" CreationDate="2013-05-17T16:49:57.407" UserId="53676" />
  <row Id="10336" PostId="5472" Score="4" Text="Quite possibly... They hate us, even though we're mostly low maintenance." CreationDate="2013-05-17T16:53:05.743" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10337" PostId="5472" Score="1" Text="It could just be something overlooked for the original trilogy sites. It might not hurt to ask a SE employee or community manager about it next time you see them, or make a MSO proposal asking for moderators here to be given the ability to edit the FAQ, like other SE2.0 site mods can." CreationDate="2013-05-17T16:59:30.660" UserId="53676" />
  <row Id="10338" PostId="5472" Score="0" Text="We don't wade into mSO willingly... They're the only site notably more unfriendly than SF. There's only been two versions of the FAQ in ~5 years, so not sure if we really need that power anyway. I think in the meantime you're right that the FAQ and About should say the same thing, and the About page is less bad than the FAQ. =]" CreationDate="2013-05-17T17:02:29.170" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10339" PostId="5472" Score="0" Text="2 versions in ~5 years??? Wow, the few SE sites I was active enough in meta to pay attention to (Programmers and the Workplace) have made many more changes in much less time. Since the moderators have the ability to tweak it, there are often meta proposals suggesting changing to wording, or add/removing links or bullet points, or in general keeping it up-to-date. Server Fault mods should definitely be given this ability, as it's one of the larger SE sites out there!" CreationDate="2013-05-17T17:06:22.557" UserId="53676" />
  <row Id="10340" PostId="5472" Score="0" Text="(And wtf, I searched for those links repeatedly, including searching by &quot;[sffaq]&quot;, and clicking on the tag itself! It told me when typing the tag for my question that there were 27 other questions with that tag, but my searches kept coming up with 0 results. Thank you for the links though :))" CreationDate="2013-05-17T17:09:09.140" UserId="53676" />
  <row Id="10342" PostId="5472" Score="6" Text="Let us just put the regex in there instead. It should be coupled with an admission test presenting the user with 10 choices and the task to find the two which are not covered by the regex. Only after providing the correct solution should new users be able to post to the site." CreationDate="2013-05-17T20:58:35.813" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10331" PostId="5473" Score="0" Text="Hrrmmm the proposal isn't for a new change though, it's to copy an existing change from one place to the other, where it is more likely to be seen by a specific group of new users (Users already familiar with Stack Exchange). Let me see if I can update my question to clarify the reasoning." CreationDate="2013-05-17T16:31:51.973" UserId="53676" />
  <row Id="10343" PostId="5474" Score="9" Text="Both of those contests were related to Windows 8... If you propose a contest that has anything to do with Windows 8, I will hunt you down and kill^H^H^H^H sic WesleyDavid on you!" CreationDate="2013-05-18T05:54:16.583" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10352" PostId="5474" Score="5" Text="@Ward I propose a frisbee-style trowing competition for Surface tablets (Windows 8 has to be installed and running of course). This needs to be carried out in a data center and bonus marks are earned by participants causing spectacular rebounds off rack cabinets." CreationDate="2013-05-18T13:02:04.340" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10354" PostId="5474" Score="1" Text="@ward How about Server 2012, then?" CreationDate="2013-05-18T15:30:26.053" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10357" PostId="5474" Score="4" Text="Art Contest. Locate AOL CDs (or better - Windows NT) and microwave them. Best arc-art pattern wins!" CreationDate="2013-05-19T02:12:41.677" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10358" PostId="5474" Score="2" Text="@voretaq7 Best art made from obsolete networking gear: http://i.stack.imgur.com/chaUG.jpg" CreationDate="2013-05-19T02:47:15.970" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10372" PostId="5474" Score="4" Text="Ahh, now I understand why [sf] has never had a contest." CreationDate="2013-05-20T14:04:11.017" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10345" PostId="5475" Score="13" Text="The point is to get the experts to the site, and keep them here.  Do you think the experts will stay if the front page was filled with questions about how to forward ports on their crappy home linksys router?" CreationDate="2013-05-18T10:11:34.383" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="10348" PostId="5475" Score="4" Text="@Zoredache I do not know. The experts seem not to be repelled by the other SE sites front pages. Maybe the experts would not even *look* at the front page in the first place but use customized views or an RSS reader so the looks of the front page would not matter to them. Should I just go over to Meta.SO and ask?" CreationDate="2013-05-18T11:35:39.740" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10374" PostId="5475" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj Have you *SEEN* the customized view of Apache questions lately? Every single one of them is a candidate to be bludgeoned with the manual..." CreationDate="2013-05-20T15:52:41.827" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10399" PostId="5475" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 I tend to omit Apache questions and surely do not look at the corresponding tag views. But from the question tags I read, indeed a large part can be answered by reading the fine manual or another type of reference documentation. People just don't know where to look. This does not make the questions illegitimate or less valuable, though." CreationDate="2013-05-20T22:44:52.267" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10455" PostId="5475" Score="0" Text="To add to what Zoredache is saying, I certainly enjoy -not- having to look at superuser.com worthy questions all day on the serverfault.com front page. I don't have a very impressive rep here, but I wouldn't stay if the two sites were merged." CreationDate="2013-05-24T20:28:01.237" UserId="87408" />
  <row Id="10477" PostId="5475" Score="0" Text="@gparent running without the &quot;professional&quot; requirement would not mean that the sites would merge. I do not see many SAN or Exchange questions on Superuser. There might be significant overlap in networking, but consumer-grade stuff is run in small businesses too and we get similar questions here. A mere topical separation probably would hurt much and likely not lower the overall quality of questions and answers on the site." CreationDate="2013-05-28T12:16:40.873" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10478" PostId="5475" Score="0" Text="The sites wouldn't merge, but we'd have no basis for which to move the amateur questions anymore, and a lot of them definitely hurt the site to a certain extent." CreationDate="2013-05-28T14:14:54.383" UserId="87408" />
  <row Id="10347" PostId="5476" Score="0" Text="I think I can see the rationale behind focusing on &quot;professionals&quot; to ensure high-quality questions. So the current effort to narrow down the &quot;professionals&quot; group is the direct result of the very failure of a wider group of &quot;professionals&quot; to produce high-quality questions?" CreationDate="2013-05-18T11:35:15.270" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10349" PostId="5476" Score="2" Text="@syneticon-dj The wider group of professionals aren't System/Network Admins/Desktop Support professionals so that makes them amateurs which is evident from the (generally) low quality of the questions. My wife is a professional buyer but that doesn't make her a professional within the meaning of Server Fault which is the implication of your comment." CreationDate="2013-05-18T12:06:34.553" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10350" PostId="5476" Score="0" Text="@Iain what I meant was that the &quot;professionals&quot; definition for the scope of SF *has* been much broader in the past as the site has been created and a couple of years thereafter and is being narrowed down lately. You would not agree this is connected to the discussion about the quality of questions?" CreationDate="2013-05-18T12:35:39.587" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10351" PostId="5476" Score="0" Text="&quot;and is being narrowed down lately.&quot; - I'm not sure that's the case. If anything, getting people to acknowledge that some of the people who are not professional sysadmins can still ask questions to a professional standard, which *is* a discussion that happened in here in meta fairly recently, represents a widening of the scope of the site compared to how it was when I joined, which must have been mid-2009 or so." CreationDate="2013-05-18T12:55:24.560" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="10355" PostId="5477" Score="8" Text="I will always +1 anything with that chart in it." CreationDate="2013-05-18T23:09:35.673" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10371" PostId="5477" Score="2" Text="+1 for the Limoncelli laugh." CreationDate="2013-05-20T13:16:23.960" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10396" PostId="5477" Score="0" Text="Thank you for taking the time - I did gain some valuable insights - especially from the history and the quantcast link. So the significant difference between [SO] where the scope is at least as wide but without the &quot;professional&quot; constraint and [SF] would be the critical mass? If so, isn't this kind of a chicken-and-egg problem? And why did [SO] ever manage to overcome this barrier whereas no confidence is put in [SF] to do the same?" CreationDate="2013-05-20T22:09:06.417" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10401" PostId="5477" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj I think it's a matter of high specialization. While the subject of programming can be divided into languages, if I pick a language that isn't dead, the number of people on SO who can contribute to a discussion regarding it are high. On the other hand, how many SF users can have a meaningful debate about the fine details of Exchange? What about the fine details of DNS, a topic that few understand holistically unless forced to? These are the topics that get drowned out by the signal to noise ratio. Our numbers are not enough to warrant individual SE sites. This *is* our SE site." CreationDate="2013-05-21T02:58:44.577" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10402" PostId="5477" Score="0" Text="Thinking more on what I just wrote, I think it boils down to this: *you could potentially justify the numbers on Area51 to generate  successful SE communities based on individual programming languages, but the same cannot be said of the topics comprising specialized system administration*. You *could* break up SO, there's just not much point. You *cannot* break up SF." CreationDate="2013-05-21T03:04:50.827" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10469" PostId="5477" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB I can't see this as a mere &quot;numbers&quot; thing. From my news participation (*&quot;oh no, not again!&quot;*) I have seen extremely fragmented structures with micro-communities (newsgroups have been created if the traffic exceeded 100 posts *a month*, and that's &quot;posts&quot;, not &quot;questions&quot;) work out neatly because the regulars were able to cross-participate in several of them rather easily. You *can* break up SF and this is even evidenced by the secessions of DBA, U&amp;L, Security and Network Engineering." CreationDate="2013-05-28T07:37:07.030" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10353" PostId="5478" Score="7" Text="I did sorta write a novel there. Thanks." CreationDate="2013-05-18T14:51:29.660" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="10356" PostId="5478" Score="7" Text="This is certainly the short version of it -- I know my participation on the main site has dropped sharply mainly because wading through the sheer volume of utter crap to find an intellectually stimulating question to answer (or even a basic one that's not &quot;HALP! IZ BROKENS! YOU FIX FOR ME?!&quot;) requires more charity than I'm capable of on an ongoing basis. Other regulars have left citing the same reason." CreationDate="2013-05-19T02:07:20.937" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10398" PostId="5478" Score="0" Text="This is surely good for a laugh, but the important question remains unanswered: why do the others manage where we think we would not? The topicality seems always to be a problem to newcomers *plus* we've basically lost the entire network design &amp; administration sector to Network Engineering recently because the coverage of SF is not being understood. If the goal is to get &quot;interesting questions&quot;, all of this is inherently bad and needs to be dealt with. Now." CreationDate="2013-05-20T22:19:50.397" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10404" PostId="5478" Score="0" Text="For those who feel similarly to voretaq7 and haven't abandoned RSS, [tag feeds](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/105946/206620) are pretty useful. Set them up for the tags you can answer best and let the questions come to you." CreationDate="2013-05-21T03:14:06.687" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10359" PostId="5480" Score="0" Text="I am thinking about the same thing for a while. The problem is that this is the exact opposite of SE's fundamental premise that anyone can ask, without registration or any other obstacle. It's obvious that this isn't working  so well, at least on SF, but I don't see the company change this for our site." CreationDate="2013-05-19T15:47:24.043" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10360" PostId="5480" Score="0" Text="The idea of tests before allowing people to post (or possibly after they've made some bad posts) has come up regularly on meta.SO and is always shot down.  The thinking is that there are already enough pointers to &quot;how to ask&quot; and &quot;here's the FAQ&quot; so a test would just irritate the good askers." CreationDate="2013-05-19T17:11:14.760" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10362" PostId="5480" Score="0" Text="@Ward - that is exactly why I suggest targeting the anonymous / first time users. I always try to get a feel for a new community before I join in. Requiring at least a minimum amount of familiarity doesn't seem too extreme to me.  Frankly I think all of the stack exchange sites would benefit from a policy like this." CreationDate="2013-05-19T20:37:27.460" UserId="90351" />
  <row Id="10377" PostId="5484" Score="1" Text="expert sexchange....I see we not taking my question seriously.  I was attempting to ask a serious question, as I do not see the universe of sites out there." CreationDate="2013-05-20T16:36:30.233" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10378" PostId="5484" Score="8" Text="Experts Exchange is commonly referred to as Expert Sexchange around these parts, since their URL lacked a hyphen for a while. I'd consider this a serious answer." CreationDate="2013-05-20T16:50:01.940" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10382" PostId="5484" Score="0" Text="No [Bitchassness!](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bitchassness)" CreationDate="2013-05-20T17:05:37.307" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="10384" PostId="5484" Score="0" Text="@mdpc - As MDMarra points out...I was serious...just don't like &quot;promoting&quot; their site." CreationDate="2013-05-20T17:54:59.200" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10385" PostId="5484" Score="0" Text="Sorry I did not understand.....I withdraw my comment...." CreationDate="2013-05-20T18:02:31.633" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10379" PostId="5485" Score="0" Text="I'm looking at this question in making a comparison to other sites and seeing where we standout or are lacking.  There seem to be a lot of opinions here but actually seeing other sites for ideas or to &quot;crow&quot; about how we are better is certainly good." CreationDate="2013-05-20T16:56:11.740" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10380" PostId="5485" Score="2" Text="We are really no better or worse than our internal competition (We've been around longer, which means Google directs lots of traffic our way. Give the other sites 3 years to climb the Google rankings and they may wind up with the same quality issues we're currently fighting. Stack Overflow has it worse than we do.). In terms of our comparison to external sites, the *other* Experts Q&amp;A site tends to demand money in order to reduce the suck factor - whether or not that works is debatable. You can visit forum-style sites &amp; draw your own conclusions as well. Personally: Bleh!" CreationDate="2013-05-20T17:02:38.313" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10381" PostId="5485" Score="2" Text="@mdpc More to the point though, there's very little to be gained in looking at the greener pastures of the other sites - The Server Fault community should decide what *we* want to be, and then go about being the best we can at what we decide we want to be. There are (and always will be) competing sites, but if we have a high quality knowledge base and a core of experts who provide excellent answers to new high-quality) questions that's all that really matters. Everything else tends to itself." CreationDate="2013-05-20T17:05:09.417" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10383" PostId="5485" Score="0" Text="I can attest to Expert-Sexchange having roughly the same quality as [SE]. There are plenty of idiots and experts with the money for a subscription (most commonly their work is footing the bill either way)." CreationDate="2013-05-20T17:17:41.793" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10480" PostId="5485" Score="0" Text="Every time that I find an experts-exchange answer on Google, I die a little bit inside." CreationDate="2013-05-28T16:37:58.850" UserDisplayName="user173755" />
  <row Id="10386" PostId="5486" Score="1" Text="Just the other day, I thought to myself `&quot;This place is slowly turning into /r/sysadmin.&quot;` God, I hope I was wrong." CreationDate="2013-05-20T18:30:29.973" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10388" PostId="5487" Score="2" Text="Re: Your concrete example, this is a bad one. (Per the [FAQ](http://serverfault.com/faq), circumvention of security or policy are ***OFF TOPIC***). If your question is `How do I write firewall rules that allow me to do X?` then you are acting as the network or firewall administrator making a presumably-authorized configuration change. If your question is `I'm behind a firewall that blocks X, how do I bypass it?` you are pretty clearly NOT the administrator of the network involved, and are trying to circumvent the restrictions imposed by the administrator - that's not cool." CreationDate="2013-05-20T21:07:25.280" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10389" PostId="5487" Score="0" Text="You asked this question last time and left in a huff when we said our policy was to not answer questions about policy circumvention - what do you think has changed in the intervening time ?" CreationDate="2013-05-20T21:09:09.597" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10390" PostId="5487" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 I'm well aware that the FAQ declares this off-topic; I argued against it at the time." CreationDate="2013-05-20T21:09:16.690" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="10391" PostId="5487" Score="0" Text="@Iain “Left in a huff” is a rather grandiose way of putting it — I didn't particularly expect anyone to notice. I guess I'm an optimist, I hope that people will come to their senses. Evidently you haven't." CreationDate="2013-05-20T21:10:10.727" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="10392" PostId="5487" Score="0" Text="@Gilles: I only noticed because you mentioned it in TL." CreationDate="2013-05-20T21:11:31.870" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10393" PostId="5487" Score="1" Text="@Gilles and the majority of the site's regulars involved in the great FAQ rewrite decided that much like an LAPD officer isn't going to help bank robbers put one over on the NYPD, Server Fault is not going to help users circumvent policy/security on other people's networks. If you really feel this really needs to be rehashed that's fine, but frankly if this site becomes &quot;OHAI PLZ 2 HELPS ME HAX?&quot; I don't imagine it has much of a future..." CreationDate="2013-05-20T21:22:41.230" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10394" PostId="5487" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 One, two strawmen… We both know we aren't going to change each other's mind, so let's end this right here: Hitler bypassed a firewall!!!!!" CreationDate="2013-05-20T21:27:24.493" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="10395" PostId="5487" Score="0" Text="...While jumping over a shark on waterskis! (The shark was wearing the skis, not Hitler. Hitler on waterskis would just be silly!)" CreationDate="2013-05-20T21:30:26.823" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10416" PostId="5489" Score="1" Text="I believe it will be hard to get an &quot;SF consensus&quot; on this topic, but speaking for myself, I *would* send questions over to Network Engineering if I think the question has a better chance getting a good answer there. This would even be the case if I were to answer it." CreationDate="2013-05-21T07:56:05.353" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10433" PostId="5490" Score="0" Text="I'd add the Cisco sites, although vendors like Cisco also have technical support where you can get your question asked, but the answers are not automatically public." CreationDate="2013-05-23T11:20:46.683" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="10417" PostId="5491" Score="0" Text="could you elaborate a bit on what the previous contests were actually about?" CreationDate="2013-05-21T09:09:49.823" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10418" PostId="5491" Score="1" Text="I guess the link would be self explanatory - you have different categoties - best editor, tag wikis and so on - these are actions that make the site better. In addition you have a 'popularity contest', for the user who seems to have contributed the most. While I admit the exact categories that are here won't be a perfect fit, this will allow users to do a nice little orgy of fixeruppery *and* recognise them." CreationDate="2013-05-21T09:38:57.993" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="10420" PostId="5491" Score="0" Text="Mmmm... orgy... +1 to you for using it in a sentence that doesn't involve a scene from Game of Thrones" CreationDate="2013-05-21T11:46:23.957" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10428" PostId="5496" Score="0" Text="10kv might be a bit extreme :)" CreationDate="2013-05-22T14:50:59.940" UserId="144990" />
  <row Id="10425" PostId="5502" Score="7" Text="I've mostly giving up to review due to this audit crap and it was a situation similar to this that was the last straw for me. Instead of making the review process as streamlined as possible, the SE developers do their very best to create more hurdles ..." CreationDate="2013-05-22T08:33:38.750" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10426" PostId="5502" Score="4" Text="I believe its automatic. This one *is* debatable, I must say." CreationDate="2013-05-22T08:46:35.970" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="10427" PostId="5502" Score="1" Text="That's what you get for trying to close a question I answered and won a bounty on!" CreationDate="2013-05-22T13:02:03.910" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10429" PostId="5504" Score="11" Text="I kitten mangling bobcat weasels don't know buttered scones with toast and marmite what you mean flying spaghetti monster of doom about the suggested edit narfling the garthok queue review being obvious." CreationDate="2013-05-22T15:22:52.977" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10432" PostId="5506" Score="1" Text="Also of note, http://serverfault.com/election/0 - or any other invalid election ID - will give you the winners (and stats summaries) of all prior elections.  Not sure if that's intentional or not, but it's useful :-)" CreationDate="2013-05-22T17:36:04.760" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10445" PostId="5510" Score="0" Text="Good find on the duplicate...I guess I should have searched telco or telecommunications in full." CreationDate="2013-05-23T20:49:44.547" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10442" PostId="5511" Score="0" Text="Not so much a site as a proposal: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40212/telecommunications" CreationDate="2013-05-23T19:52:56.843" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="10444" PostId="5511" Score="2" Text="The example questions on that proposal are so horrible...." CreationDate="2013-05-23T19:56:56.860" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10446" PostId="5511" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 - yeah I mentioned the proposal in my question above.  It just looks like it got zero traction.  Again, it may simply be that SF while accepting of telecom questions isn't the right venue to get a great answer and the better choice is as Chris states to get with the OEM." CreationDate="2013-05-23T20:51:34.883" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10447" PostId="5511" Score="0" Text="It's also worth pointing out that some &quot;telecom&quot; questions these days are arguably ***NOT*** &quot;telecom&quot; as a phone company engineer would define them. Configuring Asterisk or CCM, dealing with SIP's idiosyncrasies, etc. are often as much (if not more) in the System Administration field as they are the Telecom field." CreationDate="2013-05-24T00:18:59.277" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10450" PostId="5512" Score="2" Text="One minor point, those were 5 normal users who closed your question, no moderator was involved." CreationDate="2013-05-24T12:48:53.550" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10452" PostId="5512" Score="5" Text="Also, you got two comments with constructive information that should help you on your way." CreationDate="2013-05-24T12:52:31.830" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="10451" PostId="5513" Score="0" Text="+1 If there's a problem configuring the AD Plugin, that would be on-topic here. But asking if something exists that fulfills needs is essentially a Shopping Question. And it should be assumed that any *major* piece of Internet software can be made to work with AD/LDAP, even if you have to use the pointy end." CreationDate="2013-05-24T12:51:42.280" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10453" PostId="5513" Score="0" Text="@Mark.  I have.  There's no mention of ADFS or Active Directory Federation Services." CreationDate="2013-05-24T12:55:19.510" UserId="14439" />
  <row Id="10454" PostId="5513" Score="0" Text="However, there is mention of SAML 2, which I didn't think of last time.  Thanks.  Now I've got a thread on which to pull." CreationDate="2013-05-24T12:59:28.137" UserId="14439" />
  <row Id="10456" PostId="5514" Score="0" Text="I couldn't remember if the wp site was still around..." CreationDate="2013-05-24T22:05:47.283" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10457" PostId="5514" Score="2" Text="@MarkHenderson Not only has it survived, it apparently graduated at some point. This is what we get for missing staff meetings..." CreationDate="2013-05-24T22:43:48.103" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10460" PostId="5516" Score="2" Text="Protocol questions have historically been asked and answered on [SF], too. What the NE crowd is claiming are protocols which do not have that much expertise at [SF] - which is pretty much everything in the area of carrier networking. It goes to show that NE is able to attract the experts in these areas at short notice, otherwise all the site is going to be is a network-topic fragment off [SF] without real added value for anybody." CreationDate="2013-05-26T12:31:10.650" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10476" PostId="5516" Score="0" Text="The number of downvotes is rather amusing, for what is a fair attempt at answering the question.  It's as if on SF, a downvote means &quot;I don't like what you had to say&quot;, whereas on SO, it is generally reserved for &quot;this answer does not add any value to the question&quot;.  I guess maybe in the end it'll probably wind up as a case of &quot;on NE, at least I get some respect from my peers&quot;." CreationDate="2013-05-28T12:04:41.247" UserId="79782" />
  <row Id="10486" PostId="5516" Score="1" Text="@DavidBullock This is meta.sf, where just like on meta.so a down vote means exactly that - I don't agree with what you are saying. See: http://meta.serverfault.com/faq#vote-differences" CreationDate="2013-05-29T01:04:00.803" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="10461" PostId="5517" Score="3" Text="So, basically, you are (a) insulting us (b) say that you don't know what you are talking about anyway, as you don't use the site anymore and (c) don't want to subject yourself to a discussion about your post. Way to go! Do you have anything *constructive* to add - maybe a reason why it's a bad thing to not to answer amateur questions on a site for pros if there is a whole network of sites dedicated to do just that: Answer questions from amateurs?" CreationDate="2013-05-27T11:12:38.010" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10462" PostId="5517" Score="2" Text="@SvW Can you point out the insulting part of his statement? By telling him he doesn't know what he's talking about, you are doing exactly what he is stating in his post. &quot;If you don't agree, get out of here...&quot;. So that's what more and more users are doing, leaving. Ironically enough, there's quite a lot of discussion in Meta about how to keep users and get new ones to stick around." CreationDate="2013-05-27T13:20:25.590" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="10463" PostId="5517" Score="3" Text="@Alex Saying that people active on SF have superiority complexes is pretty insulting.  And SvW isn't saying quux should get out of here because he disagrees, he's just pointing out that the answer amounts to &quot;I think you guys do bad stuff, but I'm not going to explain exactly what I mean by bad...&quot;" CreationDate="2013-05-27T13:53:45.420" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10464" PostId="5517" Score="1" Text="Ironically, by defining a group you aspired to see here as &quot;open, inclusive explanatory&quot; then defining what happened here as &quot;instead&quot; without going on to explain why or having the good grace to stick around and discuss the matter, you're essentially shutting those of us who do use this site down because &quot;we just don't get it&quot;. I'm not suggesting that myself or anyone else here is perfect but before attending to the splinter in our eyes you might want to do something about the beam in your own." CreationDate="2013-05-27T14:00:33.127" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="10465" PostId="5517" Score="2" Text="Guys, I think my statement stands on its own. It's by far not the first time this or similar observations have been made. I saw them when I was more active here and, doing a quick browse of meta and closed questions, I still see them. But in the end, turning it into a big debate is a waste of all our time. It's just one person's opinion, I thought it needed to be said, and I'll butt out now." CreationDate="2013-05-27T14:03:37.020" UserId="3437" />
  <row Id="10466" PostId="5517" Score="5" Text="You're entitled to your opinion, the same as all of us, but what you've said has done nothing to move the discussion forward. It's not much short of a personal attack on many of the regulars and now you don't even have the basic respect for others to stick around and back it up? I'm sorry but the way you present your opinon is a open running sewer straight through the middle of the &quot;open, inclusive, explanatory&quot; principles you claimed to be missing in others here in your reply." CreationDate="2013-05-27T14:08:40.587" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="12925" PostId="5517" Score="1" Text="+1 because this is the elephant in the room. On all the other SE sites, the voting system works fine, and quality surfaces. If people don't want to be the &quot;helpdesk for the intertubes&quot;, then they don't have to answer newbie questions, and those will be duped or whatever pretty quickly. I'm not saying admins all have flawed characters, but there's a power that comes from having root, which can corrupt, in the sense that all arguments spiral down to &quot;because I'm the guy with root&quot;. This is an observable phenomenon, so I think this answer adds to the debate, if only in airing the issue." CreationDate="2014-04-27T18:09:02.133" UserId="7011" />
  <row Id="10467" PostId="5518" Score="8" Text="I see its gone now, but your first title of the question implied people didn't help you because of your name. I have never seen that kind of discrimination here. Ever. I don't know what kind of discrimination you experience in your own life but if you ever experience it here I will personally come down on them like a ton of bricks." CreationDate="2013-05-27T21:42:36.460" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10468" PostId="5518" Score="2" Text="@Muhammad - your question is very amateurishly written, this site is for professionals. As for why the first question you refer to got an upvote I have no idea as it's almost as bad as yours, whereas the second one has almost nothing to do with what you appear to have 'asked' and DOES deserve the up-votes. Basically become a seasoned professional and ask appropriate questions in a professional way, until then just don't bother." CreationDate="2013-05-27T22:40:59.710" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="10473" PostId="5518" Score="0" Text="@MuhammadRaja: Server Fault moderators are all automatically notified of new questions on mSF which includes the title so we saw it in it's original form." CreationDate="2013-05-28T09:11:45.370" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10475" PostId="5518" Score="1" Text="I'm sorry you feel that way; but I was actually standing up for you." CreationDate="2013-05-28T09:40:35.577" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10471" PostId="5521" Score="1" Text="I answered this for you in chat: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5999/how-can-i-delete-my-account" CreationDate="2013-05-28T09:06:57.853" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="10481" PostId="5524" Score="21" Text="Very tempted to close this as NARQ" CreationDate="2013-05-28T20:55:33.553" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10485" PostId="5525" Score="1" Text="Tomorrow in EDT or UTC? :)" CreationDate="2013-05-29T00:25:10.540" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="10488" PostId="5525" Score="7" Text="@jscott It's best practice to run on UTC, so..." CreationDate="2013-05-29T02:09:52.437" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10491" PostId="5525" Score="0" Text="Congrats, btw. Same for @TomO'Connor." CreationDate="2013-05-29T13:19:29.477" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="10492" PostId="5525" Score="5" Text="Where's my raise and tax cut? Didn't you guys promise that in your campaigns?" CreationDate="2013-05-29T13:40:24.560" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10502" PostId="5525" Score="0" Text="^ Triple Points Thursdays, yes!" CreationDate="2013-05-29T20:53:22.073" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10487" PostId="5526" Score="0" Text="Yeah, more voting would help..." CreationDate="2013-05-29T01:10:39.873" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10490" PostId="5526" Score="0" Text="And, no, it hasn't changed... we're 5 months into the year and only 6 people have voted at a rate that will get them to 2000 votes this year.  (you're one of them)" CreationDate="2013-05-29T04:07:56.943" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10501" PostId="5526" Score="1" Text="Re frustration: I don't answer to see my answers upvoted. They might as well be not, the answer's quality should speak for itself. Here at SF, we rarely have the situation where a question has so many answers that a reader would have difficulties recognizing the &quot;best&quot; approach. In most cases, the answers are complementary to each other, so the value of voting is not as much in helping to select the best answer but rather in recognizing the poster's effort. I see this being done on a rather subjective basis - folks upvoting other folks they like - and have to admit I do that occasionally, too." CreationDate="2013-05-29T19:00:48.843" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10511" PostId="5526" Score="1" Text="@syneticon-dj - In principle, I agree with you. Content should stand on its own irregardless of the voting mechanism. In practice, I heartily disagree. Voting serves three very important purposes: 1) It helps the good content float to top and the bad content sink to the bottom, 2) it serves as a mechanism to tell the answerer that the community values their work and 3) it's a clever psychological ploy to get people to participate. If no one votes (again, either up or down) on my stuff, it sends me the very clear message that my contributions are not valued." CreationDate="2013-05-30T04:37:21.080" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="10493" PostId="5527" Score="3" Text="The Q&amp;A was written as dupe target for the many capacity planning questions we get, as such the answer was made CW and attracts no reputation for it's author." CreationDate="2013-05-29T17:41:02.433" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10494" PostId="5527" Score="0" Text="Capacity and Performance are pretty darn close to the same thing to me. Perhaps it would help if you explained specifically why you think they're &quot;seriously&quot; different. (downvote is not mine)" CreationDate="2013-05-29T17:41:52.957" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10495" PostId="5527" Score="0" Text="@lain I did not intend to indicate that the mod wanted to get more reputation. I can understand that one's own answers are more on one's mind." CreationDate="2013-05-29T17:45:46.927" UserId="158153" />
  <row Id="10496" PostId="5527" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS This is not &quot;capacity planning&quot; vs. &quot;performance planning&quot;. If that was the only difference then I would be with you. The questioner asks a very specific **software** question whereas the other question and their answers are both very broad and about **hardware**. The main point is: I don't see how the other answers help the questioner in any way." CreationDate="2013-05-29T17:58:36.347" UserId="158153" />
  <row Id="10508" PostId="5527" Score="1" Text="See, the problem I have with questions like this, is they're largely subjective.  Only the OP can know whether their system is performing as they'd like, and only they can accurately devise benchmarks to prove it either does or doesn't meet their needs.  From a generalistic point of view, it's effectively the same as the capacity planning canonical question, but I suspect, from the OP's POV, they're looking for something decidedly more specific.  However, without vastly more information, it's difficult to answer in a way that'll meet expectations across the board." CreationDate="2013-05-29T21:33:15.290" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="10497" PostId="5528" Score="0" Text="The answers to the canonical question do not add anything useful to the comment you made. Or do they in your opinion? If so: What? I would agree with you on &quot;without benchmarks and a better idea of what's causing the slowdown I think it's pretty tough to give useful advice&quot; (at least if &quot;useful&quot; is understood as &quot;specific&quot;) but my impression of this site is that in such a case comments are used to get this information from the questioner and not that the question is closed, referring him to a thread that does not even cover this aspect." CreationDate="2013-05-29T18:03:38.977" UserId="158153" />
  <row Id="10498" PostId="5528" Score="0" Text="@HaukeLaging the capacity planning question (and associated website-speficic question linked at the top) gives advice on how to do benchmarking - presumably Gibson can change, benchmark, and iterate until acceptable performance is achieved. None of that is material to what I believe is your point though - You think the questions are substantially different. If you can tell me how you would answer this question differently (i.e. with something better/more specific than &quot;Do some benchmarks and tune accordingly. Here's a link that talks about doing benchmarks&quot;) I'll reopen it." CreationDate="2013-05-29T18:16:57.103" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10499" PostId="5528" Score="0" Text="Have you read my answer to the question? I gave some hints what to change." CreationDate="2013-05-29T18:24:55.230" UserId="158153" />
  <row Id="10500" PostId="5528" Score="0" Text="@HaukeLaging actually I didn't even notice your answer (my cached copy of the question didn't have it) - I'm not sure I agree with your assessment, but that is a different enough angle that it probably merits the question remaining open and I've reopened it accordingly." CreationDate="2013-05-29T18:31:43.353" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10504" PostId="5529" Score="7" Text="I once tried to use their &quot;headless&quot; stuff, just to see if I could make any headway with it. It was utter crap and I wouldn't even _think_ about deploying it. Though this was during 3.x so maybe it's improved by now. Or maybe not." CreationDate="2013-05-29T21:27:04.540" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10506" PostId="5529" Score="0" Text="*innocent whistle* don't know who flagged that. Nope, not at all. I think now while VB is entirely unsuited to production enviroments for a dev or test lab working on &quot;proof of concept&quot; it's fair game in my opinion. If it *is* a VirtualBox issue then that would then be off-topic as you're unlikely to use that &quot;properly&quot;." CreationDate="2013-05-29T21:27:56.640" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="10507" PostId="5529" Score="3" Text="Reminds me of the [cPanel](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3425/are-cpanel-questions-really-professional-sysadmin-related) discussion." CreationDate="2013-05-29T21:28:05.140" UserId="130858" />
  <row Id="10509" PostId="5529" Score="6" Text="The most common virtualbox questions, and the ones I hate, are all mostly related to trivial questions about how to setup the network.  Instead of using a bridged interface 'they' choose NAT, and then ask questions where answer is 'DONT USE NAT'.  If you eliminate all the crappy network related questions, almost nothing is left.  So my simple suggestion is, that if they are using NAT/HOST mode for their interface, then the question gets killed.  Everything else can be decided case-by-case." CreationDate="2013-05-29T21:35:09.967" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="10512" PostId="5529" Score="3" Text="Each question should stand or fall on its own merits: While just about every VirtualBox question I've ever read has been crap and many of them have been so bad as to make me want to question the sanity of the asker (much like the product itself, to be honest), there's no doubt that its possible to ask an on topic virtualbox question. In theory at least." CreationDate="2013-05-30T07:18:26.947" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="10515" PostId="5529" Score="0" Text="For my $$$ VirtualBox is a poor substitute for the superior and more polished VMWare Workstation.  ....So pay the $100 bucks and use something real to get your job done." CreationDate="2013-05-30T21:50:17.310" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10527" PostId="5529" Score="0" Text="I side (I think) with @tombull89 - if the issue is centric to Virtualbox being the issue it is OT.  If the issue has nothing to do with the type of VM sandbox it is running on, then the question should stand (or fall) on other factors at that point." CreationDate="2013-06-03T13:50:02.210" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10505" PostId="5530" Score="1" Text="+1. There are very few virtualbox questions I would consider to be &quot;on topic&quot;, and most are related to the deployment and administration of virtualbox as a component of an enterprise solution (e.g. &quot;We would like to provide VirtualBox environments to our developers for testing purposes - what are some ways we can implement this?&quot;). Questions about using virtualbox, or quirks specifically related to virtualbox, should be directed to VirtualBox support (Oracle)." CreationDate="2013-05-29T21:27:47.077" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10537" PostId="5530" Score="0" Text="+1 this. We use it in part because of vagrant. We even use NAT and host-only on those (the lan is mac white-listed (and yes, i know that's retarded)). Just because an individual sysadmin doesn't use VirtualBox does not mean it's off topic for a professional forum, any more than asking about dsl modems just because &quot;mostly&quot; homes use them." CreationDate="2013-06-06T05:04:35.687" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="11664" PostId="5530" Score="0" Text="Now that Vagrant supports KVM, there's little reason to be using VirtualBox even in this scenario." CreationDate="2013-09-26T01:37:56.573" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11678" PostId="5530" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton, most people using Vagrant do not run Linux as a desktop operating system. You may have a deeper misconception about how/why Vagrant is used." CreationDate="2013-09-28T17:15:18.890" UserId="58656" />
  <row Id="11679" PostId="5530" Score="0" Text="@jgoldschrafe I've certainly seen lots of Vagrant and VirtualBox _misuse_. But please enlighten us." CreationDate="2013-09-28T18:08:55.063" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10516" PostId="5531" Score="1" Text="[scripting is on-topic here](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/2602/76595), it also likely would be related to deployment scenarios, which are on-topic here either. Having said this, I should add that I neither use nor know VirtualBox, so I cannot say anything about its applicability to professional environments." CreationDate="2013-05-31T08:07:41.103" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10510" PostId="5532" Score="1" Text="...or they should talk to their local IT personnel / sysadmins." CreationDate="2013-05-29T21:53:09.553" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10514" PostId="5532" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7: If they have one yes." CreationDate="2013-05-30T14:27:28.000" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10513" PostId="5534" Score="0" Text="+1; as I know sysadmins that have used VB to test deployment of Windows desktops using WDS. I'd imagine the majority of sysadmins shouldn't have too many issues with VB, but I'd certainly consider those questions to be on topic." CreationDate="2013-05-30T13:14:13.010" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10517" PostId="5534" Score="0" Text="I also have used VirtualBox in a professional capacity.  (We needed two hosts outside our firewall, didn't want to connect the ESXi to the Internet, and only wanted to throw one physical box at it.  VirtualBox was a nice, lightweight solution.)  If it's professional, it should be allowed here." CreationDate="2013-06-01T12:34:52.627" UserId="119616" />
  <row Id="11680" PostId="5534" Score="0" Text="OTOH = on the other hand" CreationDate="2013-09-29T06:36:08.737" UserDisplayName="user156643" />
  <row Id="10518" PostId="5536" Score="0" Text="You could always look at the review history http://serverfault.com/review/close/history" CreationDate="2013-06-02T17:36:08.487" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10519" PostId="5536" Score="1" Text="So tempted to hit &quot;Not constructive&quot;... :)" CreationDate="2013-06-02T17:45:17.667" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10520" PostId="5536" Score="0" Text="@Iain But that shows the results for me only or do I miss something?" CreationDate="2013-06-02T17:45:40.803" UserId="158153" />
  <row Id="10521" PostId="5536" Score="2" Text="@MichaelHampton I am sure you have noticed that the meta FAQ (i.e. on-topic definition) differs from the main site's FAQ..." CreationDate="2013-06-02T17:50:09.310" UserId="158153" />
  <row Id="10522" PostId="5536" Score="0" Text="@HaukeLaging: I see everyone's results." CreationDate="2013-06-02T18:19:06.823" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10523" PostId="5536" Score="0" Text="@Iain: I think that's a 10k privilege. Hauke, fwiw, the proportion of 3k+ users to all users is about the same for U&amp;L as for SF. And &quot;Leave Open&quot; reviews are roughly 1 in 5 on U&amp;L based on a count of the last ~500 review actions. (Stack Overflow has over 50k questions in the close queue.)" CreationDate="2013-06-02T20:01:54.920" UserId="74576" />
  <row Id="10524" PostId="5536" Score="0" Text="@Mat: yes I forget agout that sort of stuff. Hauke from the last 100 voting actions 33/100 were leave open." CreationDate="2013-06-02T20:08:39.003" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10525" PostId="5537" Score="1" Text="It looks like you probably Leave Open more often than I do. I only did 19 of those in my last 500." CreationDate="2013-06-02T21:19:08.820" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="10526" PostId="5537" Score="0" Text="I had a couple pages of reviews where I only had a couple Leave Opens and I thought maybe I was too harsh..." CreationDate="2013-06-02T21:21:28.253" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10528" PostId="5539" Score="0" Text="Which question in particular?" CreationDate="2013-06-05T14:55:04.353" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="10529" PostId="5539" Score="0" Text="@TomO'Connor edited" CreationDate="2013-06-05T14:59:28.367" UserId="158153" />
  <row Id="10530" PostId="5539" Score="2" Text="Closed questions certainly *do* appear in search results. Coincidentally, I landed on a closed SO question just yesterday evening." CreationDate="2013-06-05T15:37:33.283" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="10531" PostId="5540" Score="1" Text="I believe the auto-delete rules are still &quot;&gt; 30 days old, closed as something other than a duplicate, negative score, no answers&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-05T15:42:52.567" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10535" PostId="5540" Score="1" Text="How did you know it had attracted so many hits?  So you have some special mod power that lets you find those?" CreationDate="2013-06-05T16:44:32.883" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="10536" PostId="5540" Score="1" Text="@Zoredache I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. =]" CreationDate="2013-06-05T17:29:24.353" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10532" PostId="5541" Score="0" Text="ChrisS dropped the tag on it today. It's definitely NARQ material though." CreationDate="2013-06-05T15:47:03.047" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="10533" PostId="5541" Score="0" Text="@Adrian: I know - that's why I said `I don't know if ...`" CreationDate="2013-06-05T15:47:56.753" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10534" PostId="5541" Score="0" Text="Ah, that's my bad." CreationDate="2013-06-05T15:50:42.940" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="10538" PostId="5542" Score="2" Text="I guess a big thing is 'what's acceptable' gets refined over time. Cleanups are *never* wasted tho as long as there's a good reason" CreationDate="2013-06-06T14:16:08.440" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="10546" PostId="5548" Score="0" Text="Normally [mSO](http://meta.stackoverflow.com) because it gets scanned more frequently, but here works too. It looks like their site is basically scraping Server Fault - I'll pass the report along to them what does the clobbering :)" CreationDate="2013-06-11T15:51:32.493" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10550" PostId="5548" Score="0" Text="Looks like it is indeed scraping ...for higher search engine rank perhaps?" CreationDate="2013-06-11T16:24:38.290" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="10547" PostId="5550" Score="4" Text="i think they may still be violating the clause about attributing credit back to the original authors." CreationDate="2013-06-11T16:10:33.947" UserId="100386" />
  <row Id="10548" PostId="5550" Score="1" Text="erm...yep, that sounds about right, good point, well made" CreationDate="2013-06-11T16:11:56.593" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="10549" PostId="5550" Score="3" Text="&quot;user contributions licensed under [cc-wiki](http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/) with [attribution required](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/06/attribution-required/)&quot; (but that *is* all the way at the bottom of the ever-growing footer-of-doom)" CreationDate="2013-06-11T16:20:27.027" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10551" PostId="5550" Score="1" Text="on the journey down : &quot;Whoa, there's a site about bikes? nice!&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-11T16:32:40.773" UserId="100386" />
  <row Id="10552" PostId="5550" Score="0" Text="That site hasn't done attribution properly. They don't link back to SF in any way." CreationDate="2013-06-11T17:14:43.107" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10554" PostId="5551" Score="5" Text="That the 2 answers to your question (apparently) contradict each other shows how tricky licensing is - best get the answers to your questions in 'writing' from some $entity that has authority to do so. Then you can point at it and say we did as advised by $entity which sounds much better then we asked on a $random internet site `...`" CreationDate="2013-06-11T17:37:57.530" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10553" PostId="5552" Score="0" Text=":). Ok. But the reason for closing should have been off-topic, rather than duplicate. Just to highlight you, one said that Microsoft will give new key, whereas the other said MS will not give new key. That was 1 contradiction / conflict" CreationDate="2013-06-11T17:32:27.190" UserId="177431" />
  <row Id="10555" PostId="5552" Score="12" Text="@AllSolutions The standard closure for licensing questions is as a duplicate of the canonical licensing question (they are a specific kind of &quot;off topic&quot; - that target question exists to head off spending hours explaining to someone why we won't answer their question). We've been doing it this way for a while, because it works better than plain &quot;Off Topic&quot;." CreationDate="2013-06-11T17:40:05.650" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10562" PostId="5554" Score="7" Text="I used to just say &quot;Contact me for  consultancy via the email address in my profile&quot;.  Problem is, hardly anyone is willing to pay for it." CreationDate="2013-06-13T08:06:40.410" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="10558" PostId="5555" Score="6" Text="+1 -- &quot;Hire a professional&quot; is frequently the right answer, but unlike [software licensing](http://serverfault.com/questions/215405) it's not something that lends itself to a blanket &quot;point everyone who lacks the requisite skills here&quot; answer because often *we can help them **develop** the skills*, or at least point them in the right direction." CreationDate="2013-06-13T02:13:46.233" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10561" PostId="5556" Score="5" Text="So what do you suggest we answer when the only reasonable solution *is* to hire a sysadmin?" CreationDate="2013-06-13T06:54:17.087" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="10566" PostId="5556" Score="3" Text="Then we can tell them so. But we don't want to make it to easy to do so, I think that'll end up harming us in the end.&#xA;We do have [the FAQ](http://serverfault.com/help/dont-ask) to which we can point them, specifically: &quot;Your questions should be reasonably scoped. If you can imagine an entire book that answers your question, you’re asking too much.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-13T16:57:17.027" UserId="2101" />
  <row Id="10618" PostId="5556" Score="0" Text="Also, folks who ask questions where the answer will invariably be “Hire a professional.” really won’t be receptive to hire a professional.  If they understood they need a professional, they would have hired one to begin with &amp; not expecting free advice from an online community." CreationDate="2013-06-23T01:55:10.057" UserId="100013" />
  <row Id="10567" PostId="5557" Score="1" Text="to state that a thing is &quot;better&quot; than another *is* to express an opinion - this is why nearly everybody in the world has the [Best Dad](http://assets1.notonthehighstreet.com/system/product_images/images/000/459/762/original_BEST_DAD_EVER_copy.jpg?1335086803)." CreationDate="2013-06-13T18:37:55.223" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10574" PostId="5557" Score="1" Text="@syneticon-dj Like Bryan, you're being too nit-picky and literal...  If you can't get over the word &quot;better&quot; being an opinion, how about &quot;enterprise level products have more support and more types of support available.&quot;  It amounts to the same thing." CreationDate="2013-06-14T06:18:31.017" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10560" PostId="5558" Score="0" Text="I would argue that the VMWare question/answer could be expanded into that canonical question.  (The SAS-vs-SATA could probably be mutually dup-linked to the canonical Enterprise Storage question - that seems sensible to me)" CreationDate="2013-06-13T04:28:07.680" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10565" PostId="5559" Score="1" Text="I agree with this message. Both of the example questions pass the *there can be one true answer* test, it's just that the One True Answer will likely be long and detailed. Which we need more of around here." CreationDate="2013-06-13T11:48:57.383" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="10563" PostId="5560" Score="0" Text="Stop spamming, please." CreationDate="2013-06-13T08:14:12.403" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="10564" PostId="5560" Score="8" Text="I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter." CreationDate="2013-06-13T08:27:48.833" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="10579" PostId="5560" Score="2" Text="Getting a lot of &quot;my bulk emails are being blocked as spam by &lt;insert provider here&gt;&quot; as well.  Fits with your &quot;server rep&quot; part." CreationDate="2013-06-14T18:23:31.213" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10588" PostId="5560" Score="2" Text="The &quot;A: Don't send spam, you'll mysteriously disappear from the internet&quot; bit is important." CreationDate="2013-06-19T03:50:46.560" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="11011" PostId="5560" Score="0" Text="Another bulk email [question](http://serverfault.com/questions/525317/web-server-and-mail-server-on-same-machine) came in today. @Michael Hampton, any chance you could do a Bulk Email Canonical Q/A?" CreationDate="2013-07-22T16:12:49.030" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="10568" PostId="5562" Score="0" Text="While I agree with the reasoning, I also agree with @voretaq7's point of view that this is followed to the letter too much. Basically it leads to a discussion about changing the StackExchange (or at least ServerFault) rules for questions, which appears to be kind of a minefield." CreationDate="2013-06-13T18:47:03.683" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10575" PostId="5562" Score="0" Text="The problem with being so literal and following &quot;the close reason exactly as it is written now&quot; is that you're missing the point that they really are *guidelines.*  They've changed in the past and they're about to change again." CreationDate="2013-06-14T06:21:05.403" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10595" PostId="5563" Score="1" Text="I would be fascinated to see how you're doing it" CreationDate="2013-06-19T15:14:03.907" UserId="2321" />
  <row Id="10569" PostId="5565" Score="0" Text="Why are you asking this? Do you have any indication on it being posted on the wrong site?" CreationDate="2013-06-13T22:10:33.870" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="10570" PostId="5565" Score="0" Text="@pauska: I guess having it closed off topic here is an indication, though I suspect rather than OT it is NC as it's a very broad question." CreationDate="2013-06-13T22:14:44.283" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10571" PostId="5565" Score="0" Text="@Iain it's not closed? Not even a single vote.." CreationDate="2013-06-13T22:16:37.270" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="10572" PostId="5565" Score="2" Text="Oh, it's been reopened." CreationDate="2013-06-13T22:17:34.040" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="10577" PostId="5565" Score="1" Text="@pauska Sorry, I am just answering you, and as you noted it was closed and is now re-opened." CreationDate="2013-06-14T12:28:58.467" UserId="113872" />
  <row Id="10573" PostId="5568" Score="1" Text="My assumption would be because this is (or at least should be) covered in the mailman docs. But a pointer to the appropriate docs would certainly be appropriate." CreationDate="2013-06-13T22:22:25.643" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10576" PostId="5569" Score="1" Text="I am a sysadmin along with being a DBA and developer. Give this was not a programming or programming tools like vim problem, I thought ServerFault was the right place. I could have gone on the mailman list, but I have found stackexchange wants and expects detailed questions and provides very good answers." CreationDate="2013-06-14T12:21:36.310" UserId="113872" />
  <row Id="10578" PostId="5569" Score="2" Text="@octopusgrabbus Your profile claims you are a Programmer, you only identify as a &quot;sysadmin&quot; when it suits you. It sounds more like you are a programmer tasks with administrative duties as your organization lacks a proper systems administrator. Stack Exchange does want good/detailed questions, but generally ones where the answer isn't &quot;Have you turned it off and back on again?&quot;. I'm sorry if that's picky, but it's a constant battle to prevent [SF] from becoming help desk for the Internet." CreationDate="2013-06-14T13:28:49.833" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10580" PostId="5569" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS - **Should we do background checks on posters and read their profiles**?" CreationDate="2013-06-15T08:23:56.873" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="10584" PostId="5569" Score="0" Text="@DeerHunter I only read people's profiles if their question &quot;feels&quot; off-topic and don't want to come across as a grumpy sysadmin. 99% of the time when I see a question like &quot;I haven't RTFM, but how do I $common_task with $popular_software&quot; it's from a Programmer who either can't be bothered to read documentation or who knew enough about IT to become to unofficial SysAdmin but doesn't actually know how to do the job. I'm all for helping newbies, but there's a distinctly different mindset between these camps and &quot;they&quot; are only coming here to get free tech support. Better/Worse??" CreationDate="2013-06-16T16:00:41.033" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10586" PostId="5569" Score="0" Text="In my mind's vision: a new movie to the tune of Alien vs. Predator, but titled &quot;Programmers vs. SysAdmins&quot;. Directed by: Simon Travaglia. Think it is better to direct newbies to Limoncelli (the book, not the man - he's on SE staff now AFAIR) to at least show them the Tao..." CreationDate="2013-06-16T16:13:48.377" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="10581" PostId="5572" Score="0" Text="I'd rather see a question that's *just* about load average (since [we already have one about memory usage](http://serverfault.com/questions/449296/why-is-linux-reporting-free-memory-strangely) that links to two other questions with more detail.) Memory usage and Load Average are independent: I can easily create a load average over 1000 while using only a small amount of memory, or chew up all of a machine's RAM while maintaining a load average of near zero..." CreationDate="2013-06-16T01:07:11.597" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10582" PostId="5572" Score="0" Text="Thank you, I'll keep looking." CreationDate="2013-06-16T04:42:30.297" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="10583" PostId="5572" Score="3" Text="nothing wrong with creating one if you don't find any decent ones (it also gives us the opportunity to craft a good, correct answer and pad it with votes which is useful if the answers on the existing questions aren't really great)" CreationDate="2013-06-16T04:53:15.427" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10585" PostId="5576" Score="0" Text="Since this was a odd-case you probably should have written a custom decline message. Otherwise kudos for taking the time to figure out what was going on." CreationDate="2013-06-16T16:06:13.223" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10590" PostId="5578" Score="0" Text="As there are hundred of reasons why, without extended back and forth with an OP it's really difficult to provide a solution hence having a canonical Q&amp;A giving general guidance is a good thing." CreationDate="2013-06-19T07:39:01.820" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10592" PostId="5578" Score="0" Text="True. I think the best way would be to find some good questions and cases to have a Q&amp;A built up." CreationDate="2013-06-19T12:47:08.830" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="10589" PostId="5579" Score="3" Text="If you look at who is asking the questions on SF and in particular their Rep you will see that the majority would not naturally consider themselves within our target market of systems/network/desktop support professionals. ~70% of the people asking questions have more Rep on SO which means that primarily they are programmers `...` I don't work on my car because I don't have the skills to do so - why allow someone without skills to run a companies IT ?" CreationDate="2013-06-19T06:33:23.007" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10594" PostId="5579" Score="0" Text="So throw out a blanket statement?  I can't overhaul an engine but given a little guidance changing out the spark plugs isn't that hard." CreationDate="2013-06-19T13:09:11.097" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10596" PostId="5579" Score="1" Text="I recently couldn't find the spark plugs on my BMW Mini and when I was shown them by a mechanic I realised that even if I had found them I couldn't without a special tool - knowing in theory and being equipped are different things. Far too many people ask questions here who shouldn't be allowed near a server." CreationDate="2013-06-19T15:28:29.047" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10597" PostId="5579" Score="2" Text="So then the sequence here on SF for you would have been: 1) Iain asks &quot;where are my spark plugs?&quot; 2) MDMarra answers with &quot;Go here to x and look in Y&quot; 3) You comment with &quot;found them...still lost&quot; 4) MDMarra comments with &quot;time to hire a pro&quot;.  The first reply shouldn't be &quot;haha you don't know where your spark plugs are...go away noob...hire a pro&quot;.  You have the stats so if 70% of the people asking here are from SO, do we autoreply to anyone like that with &quot;hire a pro&quot; and only work with the other 30%?  The site wouldn't exist if everyone in IT knew everything about IT." CreationDate="2013-06-20T13:35:54.300" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10598" PostId="5579" Score="1" Text="Just imagine the quality of SF without the river of shit generated by the 70%. The scope of SF is immense but it's target market is tiny. In reality it was I need new spark plugs, can't see them -  take it to a garage - I am aware of my limitations - unlike many who seek to play serverfault." CreationDate="2013-06-20T15:26:30.723" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10599" PostId="5579" Score="0" Text="I do understand your points, I guess in my mind SF can fall into either a &quot;come one come all&quot; site or be a niche site for experienced IT pros to discuss higher end issues they face.  The latter obviously would have less users/traffic but higher brow content.  Think community college vs. MIT.  The idea was never to be the &quot;Yahoo Answers of IT&quot; I get that.  I just don't get the comments when the substance of my answer was no different than Mikey or Mark's, in that I don't think a canonical would help." CreationDate="2013-06-20T16:30:26.037" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10600" PostId="5581" Score="1" Text="Let us remember that voting the question up or down does not signal agreement or disagreement with the content, but wether or not it was well written and productive as a question. Make an answer. Vote an answer." CreationDate="2013-06-22T00:12:47.243" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10601" PostId="5581" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid Yeah... you're right, in that I think honestly, if a question is really well thought out and spelled out and entertaining and thought-provoking, it will garner upvotes regardless of whether it's strictly &quot;on topic.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-22T00:19:09.117" UserId="104624" />
  <row Id="10602" PostId="5581" Score="1" Text="I meant more that I've seen a tendency to downvote questioned based on &quot;I agree with this&quot; and &quot;I don't agree with this&quot; so figured I'd make a simple reminded that if people agree or disagree with the question, it should be in the answers, not downvoting the question. In other words, there should be zero downvotes on this question because of its obvious merit, even if there are many dissenting views." CreationDate="2013-06-22T02:20:10.497" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10604" PostId="5581" Score="1" Text="I think you are confusing due diligence - attempting to ensure that a space is suitable for our systems with design - taking requirements and turning them into plans that can be built. One is a sysadmin task the other is an architects  task." CreationDate="2013-06-22T06:56:53.790" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10744" PostId="5583" Score="0" Text="There are datacenter questions related to architecting a building, and there are datacenter questions related to sysadmin work. If I'm a sysadmin for a small business and we are moving offices, there will be aspects of datacenter design that contribute to a good plan for moving into the new place. Some datacenter questions are sysadmin questions, some aren't. Obviously &quot;How do I build an apartment complex?&quot; doesn't belong here." CreationDate="2013-07-03T04:15:48.467" UserId="157025" />
  <row Id="10603" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="Datacenter design is an architecture task." CreationDate="2013-06-22T06:37:30.770" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10605" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="@Iain That point brings up some interesting ideas. Post updated!" CreationDate="2013-06-22T07:23:07.563" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10606" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="I've had several rooms converted for computer use. On each occasion I told someone what I was putting in the room and how much heat they would likely generate how much power I would need etc. They then came back with a design to meet the requirements that met my needs, the regulatory requirements of the area etc." CreationDate="2013-06-22T07:28:32.197" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10607" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="@Iain Yes! Good point about regulatory compliance. Things regarding structural engineering and regulations are not within the scope of a sysadmin, but I think that still leaves a fairly large sized amount of space within the overall circle of &quot;datacenter design&quot; that a sysadmin can at least have the *potential* to work with." CreationDate="2013-06-22T07:41:19.547" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10608" PostId="5584" Score="2" Text="All very pretty but fundamentally flawed because you just made them up off the top of your head without any real basis." CreationDate="2013-06-22T07:53:48.753" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10609" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="Lies, damned lies, and Venn diagrams!" CreationDate="2013-06-22T07:54:43.997" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10610" PostId="5584" Score="1" Text="Wesley, I have not found the time yet to read your latest book, but I am upvoting it for the abundance of pretty colored circles as well as the Lions, Tigers and Bears." CreationDate="2013-06-22T09:09:01.303" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10612" PostId="5584" Score="2" Text="In 'closet' datacenters, the sysadmin can definitely be prime in specifying and actually doing the work to make that environment safe for computing. For, say, 2K sf/ft facilities, in my experience it is the sysadmin (and maybe the company facilities person) who will be the prime points of contact with the structural/environmental engineers doing the actual CAD work and build-out. Being conversant in the terminology and techniques makes that collaborative process go a lot easier." CreationDate="2013-06-22T12:05:43.623" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="10706" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid thanks for your thoughts! I hope you don't mind me re-sharing it (with full attribution and backlink to your answer) via Google+ : http://plus.Google.com/105254614558031636080/posts/Nk4vyZ4YY8A" CreationDate="2013-06-29T18:03:47.360" UserId="15440" />
  <row Id="10709" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="@pepoluan Great! I'm curious to know what others think as well. =)" CreationDate="2013-06-29T21:18:06.177" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10611" PostId="5585" Score="3" Text="I don't know why. Seems OK to me? It also has 4 close votes which I don't understand. Hopefully the people who have a problem with it will come here and tell us why." CreationDate="2013-06-22T10:54:08.463" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10613" PostId="5585" Score="3" Text="Best practice questions tend not to do well here because whilst in theory there should be only one Best Practice, in reality everyone has their own. 3 of the 4 close votes are Not Constructive which kind of underlines this." CreationDate="2013-06-22T12:26:52.400" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10619" PostId="5585" Score="0" Text="If so, why is there a best-practices tag? (Thanks, though, it does make sense.)" CreationDate="2013-06-23T03:44:13.173" UserId="167999" />
  <row Id="10620" PostId="5585" Score="6" Text="*If so, why is there a best-practices tag?* Because, sadly, anyone can create a tag." CreationDate="2013-06-23T15:01:29.167" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="10623" PostId="5585" Score="1" Text="I didn't downvote, but one of the close votes was mine, for the exact reason Iain stated." CreationDate="2013-06-24T10:53:18.017" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10639" PostId="5585" Score="1" Text="Like @SvW, I also voted to close for the reasons stated by Iain. I also applied a downvote, but only once the question was re-opened as I stand by my close vote and don't think it should have been reopened." CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:43:06.893" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10668" PostId="5585" Score="2" Text="Personally, I don't mind reading *all* the answers suggesting any &quot;best practices&quot; and making my choice. I guess the problem is that SE does not scale up well, so it goes to a point where moderators just can't handle reading it and are getting more and more stressed (read &quot;annoyed&quot;). I suppose increasing the number of SE moderators would have helped to relax the current situation a little bit. ( PS. http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/dr-strangedupe-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-duplication/ -- I more like this initial idea that we should not actually try to erase too much. )" CreationDate="2013-06-27T09:46:56.117" UserId="102099" />
  <row Id="10614" PostId="5586" Score="8" Text="For once I agree about the no-edit-out part. Rpi's have no place doing production work." CreationDate="2013-06-22T21:45:49.790" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10615" PostId="5586" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson I tried to edit out the Pi in the question I referenced, but then stopped and thought &quot;Wait, the problem could actually be the Pi itself!&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-22T21:46:25.993" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10616" PostId="5586" Score="3" Text="Agreed. RPI's are neat, but they are hobbyist's toys. They don't meet the criteria of &quot;professional systems and/or network administration.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-22T22:09:13.413" UserId="104624" />
  <row Id="10661" PostId="5586" Score="2" Text="You guys do realize we have a dedicated http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/ website where you can send all this questions of to..." CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:28:49.587" UserId="86280" />
  <row Id="10662" PostId="5586" Score="0" Text="@LucasKauffman I did, yes. I just don't think they have the skill to work on some of the problems that are asked concerning R-Pis on ServerFault, but then again -- *it's not our problem!* =)" CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:59:55.960" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10617" PostId="5587" Score="8" Text="*Okay fine I'll buy a bike --* ***STOP RUSHING ME!!!***" CreationDate="2013-06-23T00:54:16.997" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10621" PostId="5587" Score="1" Text="Not to mention they can always ask these questions on SU or RPI.SE." CreationDate="2013-06-24T02:51:09.643" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="10622" PostId="5587" Score="4" Text="Indeed - as we've got a RPI.SE questions should be asked there." CreationDate="2013-06-24T07:39:15.857" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="10624" PostId="5587" Score="2" Text="Agreed. There are limited cases where you might *use* a Raspberry Pi in a production environment, but frankly if you're doing so you need to have the skills to accomplish your goal *without* needing to ask the internet for help, or you're just setting yourself up for failure. (and if you do need help, [raspberrypi.SE] is a very healthy beta site and the appropriate place to ask.)" CreationDate="2013-06-24T16:32:08.317" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10625" PostId="5587" Score="2" Text="I know someone who used the Pi as a PXE server" CreationDate="2013-06-24T18:12:37.673" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="10626" PostId="5587" Score="4" Text="@Jacob But we all know what sort of crowd you hang out with..." CreationDate="2013-06-24T18:26:48.193" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10627" PostId="5587" Score="2" Text="@Ward No this was a professional. :)" CreationDate="2013-06-24T18:28:28.777" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="10634" PostId="5587" Score="2" Text="@Jacob I'd put that in the &quot;You might use it in production, but you should have the necessary skills&quot; category. I know a few sites that use them as interfaces to SCADA systems (they make wonderful SNMP gateways), but the cracked-out EEs wiring them together would never dream of asking for help -- just another Pi to blow up in prototyping please :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-24T21:21:06.463" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10637" PostId="5587" Score="1" Text="@Jacob: 'was' presumably being the operative word." CreationDate="2013-06-25T06:11:18.360" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10663" PostId="5587" Score="5" Text="I have actually considered a Raspberry Pis being used for several settings in the data-center: a PXE server, a Terminal server, SSH gateway, on the crash cart, etc. However, most questions for the Pi will be in the hobbyist-sense." CreationDate="2013-06-26T23:43:39.920" UserId="36178" />
  <row Id="10729" PostId="5587" Score="4" Text="Agree with @Stefan -- it's not a toy unless you're using it as a toy.  Personally I'd rather answer a question about an RPi than an old beige box.  Directing folks to RPI.SE is reasonable, but keep in mind just because you're a &quot;professional&quot; doesn't mean you have a &quot;budget&quot; :)" CreationDate="2013-07-01T23:12:19.663" UserId="2302" />
  <row Id="10750" PostId="5587" Score="1" Text="[An SE site already exists](http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com). Is there really any other reason?" CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:32:27.970" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="10788" PostId="5587" Score="1" Text="It's kind of funny. By these standards, Google are using &quot;hobbyist&quot; servers as their main (and only ASAIK) server setup." CreationDate="2013-07-05T18:12:01.620" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="10791" PostId="5587" Score="0" Text="Google doesn't use Raspberry Pis. They use HPC &amp; cluster-style hardware, which is on topic here." CreationDate="2013-07-05T23:02:42.363" UserId="36178" />
  <row Id="10812" PostId="5587" Score="0" Text="I know they are not using Raspberry Pis, but they are using non-server grade equipment in clusters. And that would be tagged &quot;hobbyist&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-08T13:30:44.180" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="10837" PostId="5587" Score="0" Text="@Alex The environment matters. You wouldn't want a &quot;hobbyist&quot; in your datacenter now, would you?" CreationDate="2013-07-09T14:47:38.543" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="10628" PostId="5588" Score="2" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/91922/how-was-this-answer-posted-after-this-question-was-closed" CreationDate="2013-06-24T19:01:49.260" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10629" PostId="5588" Score="0" Text="@Iain this is so cool, what Javascript lines do I need to block to enable it permanently? :)" CreationDate="2013-06-24T19:04:43.367" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10630" PostId="5588" Score="0" Text="Erm ... dunno &lt;&gt;" CreationDate="2013-06-24T19:08:31.240" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10632" PostId="5589" Score="0" Text="Does it mean that *anyone* could submit answers to a closed questions within 4 hours after closure by crafting an appropriate POST request?" CreationDate="2013-06-24T19:40:05.390" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10633" PostId="5589" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj Prrrrrrrobably. Stop haxing the system!" CreationDate="2013-06-24T20:05:08.340" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10638" PostId="5589" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 I never would even *think* of stopping." CreationDate="2013-06-25T10:29:45.590" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10734" PostId="5590" Score="4" Text="In the old days, the StackExchange voting system helped to resolve these situations by letting the community decide which answers were best. Furthermore, @FalconMomot was able to the question succinctly and uncontroversially. Speaking impartially as someone who almost never *asks* questions here, I am completely sick of seeing valid, on-topic questions get closed for reasons of personal preference." CreationDate="2013-07-02T09:40:16.983" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="10735" PostId="5590" Score="0" Text="@MilesErickson: The accepted answer begins `There isn't really a specific best practice, ` *shrugs*" CreationDate="2013-07-02T13:30:32.420" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10736" PostId="5590" Score="0" Text="...and then it describes exactly what some key best practices are. Go figure, right?" CreationDate="2013-07-02T13:54:28.057" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="10737" PostId="5590" Score="2" Text="There's a Windows version of that question waiting to be written and answered, too. How many Windows admins set service accounts to deny interactive login and/or set the shell to logoff.exe? Truth is, most Windows administrators run services as the built-in domain administrator. This site used to be described generically as a &quot;best practice community,&quot; and now look how far we've fallen. We used to care about improving and informing the next generation of professionals. Check out @KyleBrandt's top-rated answers. Most of those underlying questions would get shot down in a heartbeat today." CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:13:40.520" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="10738" PostId="5590" Score="0" Text="@MilesErickson: vote/whinge as you see fit the same as I do." CreationDate="2013-07-02T14:15:21.580" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10739" PostId="5590" Score="1" Text="Best Practice type questions can do well here, but they need to be ***Good Questions***. (This one isn't particularly awful - with a little editing it could even be good/canonical.  The **bad** ones are super-broad &quot;What are the best practices for running a hosting provider?&quot; or ones where the only answer is [&quot;Pick what works best for your situation&quot;](http://serverfault.com/questions/509896/))" CreationDate="2013-07-02T15:07:02.600" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10636" PostId="5591" Score="1" Text="It's also occurring on [su], so I [already posted this to mSO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/185720/189912)." CreationDate="2013-06-25T02:46:06.503" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10640" PostId="5591" Score="0" Text="[CSS bug fixed at 10:37 UTC](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/185774/204574)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:32:18.923" UserId="105072" />
  <row Id="10641" PostId="5592" Score="2" Text="It looks like you're an end user rather than the administrator of the systems." CreationDate="2013-06-25T21:26:52.013" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10642" PostId="5592" Score="0" Text="From your comment, would I be correct in inferring that whoever asks a question on serverfault has to be an admin?" CreationDate="2013-06-25T21:50:34.257" UserId="47971" />
  <row Id="10644" PostId="5592" Score="2" Text="Basically.  This is in the first sentence of the FAQ: http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic" CreationDate="2013-06-25T21:54:35.737" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="10646" PostId="5592" Score="0" Text="Ok. I see that. I also see, on the home page, where it reads 'Anyone can ask a question'. In any event, my question was not well presented so that is that. I will improve it and come back with more information." CreationDate="2013-06-25T22:01:51.003" UserId="47971" />
  <row Id="10647" PostId="5592" Score="1" Text="Please don't. You're not an admin of the system you're asking about." CreationDate="2013-06-26T01:37:35.577" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10654" PostId="5592" Score="0" Text="Actually, I am. I just don't know enough, yet, on how to troubleshoot it." CreationDate="2013-06-26T13:22:19.303" UserId="47971" />
  <row Id="10643" PostId="5593" Score="0" Text="I don't see where I indicate it is a hypothetical situation. I am truly trying to solve that problem." CreationDate="2013-06-25T21:51:56.247" UserId="47971" />
  <row Id="10645" PostId="5594" Score="0" Text="Thank you. I will come back with more information. I assume I would need to create a new question." CreationDate="2013-06-25T21:56:00.280" UserId="47971" />
  <row Id="10652" PostId="5594" Score="0" Text="@KernelPanic If the question is substantially the same (just made &quot;better&quot;) simply Edit the existing question then Flag it for reopening." CreationDate="2013-06-26T13:16:34.427" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10653" PostId="5594" Score="0" Text="I was not aware that was an option. Thank you." CreationDate="2013-06-26T13:19:58.840" UserId="47971" />
  <row Id="10650" PostId="5595" Score="2" Text="Whilst you're about, any chance you can cast your eye over [this lot](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/tagged/design) some of which have been outstanding for years - cheers." CreationDate="2013-06-26T06:25:01.967" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10651" PostId="5597" Score="0" Text="And seen on meta.SO: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/184603/clicking-leave-closed-shows-the-reopen-pop-up" CreationDate="2013-06-26T07:18:15.423" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10656" PostId="5599" Score="3" Text="Which is terrible because I would have closed that shit anyway. I just mark that up to the review audits having a surprisingly high failure rate." CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:00:12.017" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="10657" PostId="5599" Score="0" Text="Review audits being crap is a whole separate issue. This one's just plain buggy (and crap)." CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:01:44.807" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10658" PostId="5599" Score="2" Text="They got both kinds: buggy *and* crap." CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:11:39.973" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="10659" PostId="5599" Score="4" Text="DevOps - Set sail for fail!" CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:14:20.400" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10664" PostId="5600" Score="1" Text="(Rather lengthy) MSO discussion thread. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/182812/introducing-a-brand-new-consolidated-help-center." CreationDate="2013-06-27T09:10:33.927" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="10665" PostId="5600" Score="1" Text="oh...sorry, I never go over to SO" CreationDate="2013-06-27T09:12:13.487" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="10666" PostId="5600" Score="17" Text="Moar pink and fluffyness is required because people get their feelings hurt when they get asked to read things or do a little bit of their own research." CreationDate="2013-06-27T09:13:06.360" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10667" PostId="5600" Score="0" Text="It does say, at the bottom, `If you want to suggest a new page, have an issue specific to one site, or have another major change, you can start a new meta post and tag it help-center.` so there's always that option." CreationDate="2013-06-27T09:14:01.947" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="10694" PostId="5600" Score="2" Text="+1 - I hate the new help page because you can't just refer people to it. Especially as the most critical stuff (for us) is on the right-hand column which virtually nobody is going to get to." CreationDate="2013-06-27T21:41:11.520" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10731" PostId="5600" Score="3" Text="+1 is there still signal? It looks like there's only noise, drowning out the odd 1 in 100 good question. Trying to have questions migrated either is ignored or is almost pointless due to the sheer amount... Add to that that if you even bother to answer someone (and +1 their question, to encourage) they can't be assed to return the favour." CreationDate="2013-07-01T23:27:35.583" UserId="106102" />
  <row Id="10669" PostId="5601" Score="8" Text="The main problem is that before this change we could reasonably expect users to read the FAQ before asking a question. Often they didn't, but this was their failure. With the new help center, this is no longer possible - no one is going to read all that stuff before asking his first question." CreationDate="2013-06-27T10:37:00.503" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10670" PostId="5601" Score="0" Text="True, it's not proactive, but people aren't usually known to read FAQs even if they are one page long and there is a flashing link to them from the front page of your site." CreationDate="2013-06-27T10:52:00.493" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="10671" PostId="5601" Score="5" Text="@SvW - exactly, it's beyond any reasonable expectations of new users" CreationDate="2013-06-27T10:54:17.787" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="10672" PostId="5601" Score="0" Text="I've edited to address this need anyway.  It's a legitimate need, but I think a different solution is better." CreationDate="2013-06-27T10:55:25.587" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="10708" PostId="5601" Score="1" Text="@Falcon Whether or not people could be bothered to read it before they post the first time, it was still a *much faster* way to process the information once someone was linked to it. The new format is not what I'd consider friendly to new users (I know, I know, *SF is friendly to new users?*), and I think that's really the larger problem." CreationDate="2013-06-29T20:07:21.127" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10673" PostId="5602" Score="9" Text="I honestly don't think it's worthwhile wasting more time on this. Sadly, like the original faq, the revised faq, the intermodal popups, the close reasons, pretty much everything else that is put up to help people get to the best place to ask their question and get an answer this will just be ignored and the quality of SE and SF will continue to decline. On the upside people at SE were employed for a while doing this so the unemployment figures looked peatascopically better:)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T12:32:52.403" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10675" PostId="5602" Score="1" Text="Bigger clubs are more effective at whacking users... provided you can lift the club!" CreationDate="2013-06-27T15:25:26.473" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10676" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton: Unless they get too big when they catch too much air `...`" CreationDate="2013-06-27T16:32:36.567" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10716" PostId="5602" Score="2" Text="FWIW, the first change is fairly trivial - so it's done. The second, Chopper took to MSO (I think?)" CreationDate="2013-07-01T15:35:09.810" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="10677" PostId="5604" Score="0" Text="I concur.  No real difference between directory and file perms, just different philosophy." CreationDate="2013-06-27T16:34:43.827" UserId="167653" />
  <row Id="10678" PostId="5604" Score="0" Text="&quot;Permissions&quot; is a pretty ambiguous tag -- probably worth an audit to see if they always mean file/directory permissions or someone is incorrectly using it for (e.g.) SELinux or BSD-MAC &quot;permissions&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-27T17:28:17.043" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10701" PostId="5604" Score="0" Text="Permissions and file-permissions are indeed different." CreationDate="2013-06-28T03:20:17.187" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="10703" PostId="5604" Score="0" Text="They *should* be different tags, but that's about 1/4 overlap. So obviously they're conflated in some/many questions, but not others... probably something that has to be fixed manually (if at all)" CreationDate="2013-06-28T13:47:00.207" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10679" PostId="5605" Score="3" Text="Without trying to sound negative about what you're proposing (because I'm all for it), I think it would be good to [clear up some of the conflicts between the help page and the about page](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/5382/11604) first so we know exactly what is and isn't off topic before we start thinking about changing close reasons." CreationDate="2013-06-27T19:42:12.820" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10681" PostId="5605" Score="1" Text="@Bryan Clearing up the ambiguity there is a good idea, but I don't think that single point substantially affects the scope of this question - I will bring up the Dev Tools vs Dev Environment thing in [Chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/127/the-comms-room) though (I don't think it warrants a meta post since either way to resolve it is a small change, and most of our Meta users are in chat)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T19:51:14.093" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10683" PostId="5605" Score="1" Text="I'm not disagreeing, but the number of questions with close votes relating to developer stacks or desktop software isn't insignificant, they are constantly appearing. Hence why I think it's best to clarify the rules before we think about enforcing them." CreationDate="2013-06-27T19:57:03.640" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10688" PostId="5605" Score="0" Text="It isn't just a single point, the meta question I posted sited one example. For another example, refer to Dennis' comment to [an answer](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/5607/11604) to this question. I agree with him that cpanel should be off topic, but I know of a number of businesses that use cpanel for their hosting needs, and they have pro sys admins that manage it. Strictly speaking by the wording of the help/about pages, cpanel appears to be on topic here. (Managing computer systems in a professional manner)." CreationDate="2013-06-27T20:17:31.567" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10690" PostId="5605" Score="3" Text="I propose: &quot;Closed as off topic because ***WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?!***&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-27T20:29:39.900" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10693" PostId="5605" Score="2" Text="@Bryan [Some twit defended cPanel as being potentially on-topic a while back](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/3428/32986) and got a lot of people to agree with him - If I ever get my hands on him I'll beat him sensible. (Oh wait, it was me. Yeah - I kinda regret that defense now.) cPanel and the like aren't expressly forbidden topics, but the *questions* about them tend to be uniformly horrible and asked by non-professionals from a point-and-drool standpoint. IMHO those are properly closed as &quot;Asker isn't a professional&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-27T21:35:55.093" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11041" PostId="5605" Score="0" Text="OK, voting has closed :-) This post is locked while the final language is worked out" CreationDate="2013-07-25T15:00:13.873" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10740" PostId="5606" Score="1" Text="Don't say &quot;should try asking on Super User&quot; because they might just copy-pasta it over without any thought to tailoring it to SU's audience. Instead, say something like &quot;Questions about personal computer use may be appropriate on Super User instead,&quot; which implies that it _might_ fit on SU but doesn't imply a guarantee that their question will be accepted. --SU mod" CreationDate="2013-07-02T18:46:23.817" UserId="28016" />
  <row Id="10741" PostId="5606" Score="0" Text="Agreed - wording updated." CreationDate="2013-07-02T19:18:47.743" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10839" PostId="5606" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure about &quot;home setting&quot; in the wording. For example, I'm not sure whether I can assume [this question](http://serverfault.com/q/521941/47187) is for home use, yet, I'd certainly flag it to be moved to SU (I can't think why it would be on-topic on SF, unless I'm really mistaken)." CreationDate="2013-07-09T15:07:37.437" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="10840" PostId="5606" Score="0" Text="@Bruno I'm not a fan of &quot;in a home setting&quot; myself, but no better wording has been presented yet." CreationDate="2013-07-09T15:11:05.803" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10921" PostId="5606" Score="0" Text="&quot;in a home setting&quot; is at least better than &quot;at home&quot; since it's targeting the application of the system, not the mere location." CreationDate="2013-07-18T04:45:02.347" UserId="54957" />
  <row Id="10680" PostId="5607" Score="0" Text="That's already in the dialog..." CreationDate="2013-06-27T19:43:12.940" UserId="144990" />
  <row Id="10682" PostId="5607" Score="0" Text="@DennisKaarsemaker we can remove it if everyone hates it :)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T19:55:55.693" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10684" PostId="5607" Score="5" Text="I mean it's already in there under &quot;belongs on another site in the network&quot;. So yeah, let's use it for something more useful, like discouraging cpanel..." CreationDate="2013-06-27T19:59:30.103" UserId="144990" />
  <row Id="10685" PostId="5607" Score="1" Text="This is useful for questions which, for whatever reason, we _don't_ want to migrate." CreationDate="2013-06-27T20:05:59.807" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10687" PostId="5607" Score="1" Text="We always have the option of &quot;Other - leave a comment&quot; for those" CreationDate="2013-06-27T20:14:47.353" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10689" PostId="5607" Score="1" Text="@DennisKaarsemaker: You mean something like, &quot;Questions about cPanel are off-topic because you're embarrassing yourself and the rest of us.&quot; ?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T20:27:34.040" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="10715" PostId="5607" Score="1" Text="Discouraging cPanel questions unless they're actually useful questions. Good sysadmins forced to use cPanel can have good cPanel questions, I swear!" CreationDate="2013-07-01T15:31:08.907" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="10733" PostId="5607" Score="0" Text="It's not that they're bad admins, but that they aren't being admins at all while only using the cPanel GUI.  They are still admins if cPanel is only incidental and they're doing stuff like editing the config of stuff, or asking a conceptual question; just not while trying to do things &quot;only through cPanel&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-02T09:19:42.343" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="10691" PostId="5609" Score="2" Text="Yes, since ServerFault is one of the few StackExchanges that limits not only *what* can be asked, but also ***who*** can ask it, this is very necessary. &quot;Your role is not within the scope of the allowed asking audience.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-27T21:23:48.667" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10692" PostId="5609" Score="6" Text="I'm not sure &quot;novice&quot; questions are off-topic (I'd like to think we would certainly help a junior admin with a well-crafted question) so much as &quot;not professional&quot; is off topic. I took a stab at this in a separate answer, but I like your phrasing as well. You might want to work in a link to http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4111 defining &quot;professional capacity&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-27T21:28:45.547" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10695" PostId="5609" Score="1" Text="@WesleyDavid made your attempt a separate answer (so we can keep the voting straight :-)" CreationDate="2013-06-27T21:59:11.850" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10696" PostId="5609" Score="1" Text="Something about making an *educated* attempt at resolving the problem so there's some basis to the question (answers &quot;what did you try?&quot;). This way people newer to certain sysadmin(ing?) tasks will feel welcome here." CreationDate="2013-06-27T22:39:52.830" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="10698" PostId="5609" Score="4" Text="+1; I like that a lot, but I'd personally would tame down `Very clear` by replacing it with `likely` or `quite apparent`. This would make it a little less insulting to any professionals that do post crap questions, (although they often deserve insulting for asking crap questions). I think it's better for them to take something constructive from the message and feel inclined to fix it, rather than being annoyed by it and never come back here. Also, as voretaq7 suggested, I'd avoid the use of `Novice`." CreationDate="2013-06-27T22:47:16.307" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10700" PostId="5609" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 Nah, mine was bad and I feel bad." CreationDate="2013-06-27T23:20:49.947" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10702" PostId="5609" Score="7" Text="It might be worth trying to catch the cpanel, dev stacks, rasperry pis, etc with an answer such as this one, by adding something along the lines of `or you are asking about software or hardware that isn't typically supported by professional systems administrators`." CreationDate="2013-06-28T06:46:03.903" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10730" PostId="5609" Score="2" Text="As a moderator I have to say I'm really tempted to veto this close-reason if it comes up. 1) It is very much an attack on the questioner, and 2) Offers nothing for how to rework the question to something that is acceptable. Point 1 is what we're trying to get **away** from, and point 2 is one of the main goals of the close-question rewrite process." CreationDate="2013-07-01T23:23:07.517" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="10742" PostId="5609" Score="0" Text="This seems mostly redundant, as much or all of what it would cover is already &quot;too broad&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-02T19:32:31.930" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10746" PostId="5609" Score="0" Text="Sometimes I think these questions are misinterpreted. The asker *may* not expect you to solve their problem for them, or hold their hand with a back and forth &quot;now do this, what do you see&quot;?  But instead just some troubleshooting pointers are often appreciated.  &quot;E.g. that error could be caused by many things, check your Event Logs, and also run sysinternals process monitor to see if there are file access errors that indicate permissions problem&quot; I've seen some  broad questions, but the asker only expected broad answer to point them in right direction and they were happy with that." CreationDate="2013-07-03T05:08:38.077" UserId="15810" />
  <row Id="10777" PostId="5609" Score="1" Text="@AaronLS: We shouldn't need to tell someone to chcek their logs they should be providing us with relevant snippets." CreationDate="2013-07-04T13:16:45.997" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10920" PostId="5609" Score="0" Text="agree with @sysadmin1138, it is very presumptive, and feels like an attack.  Better to focus on the question, not the questioner?" CreationDate="2013-07-18T04:43:56.953" UserId="54957" />
  <row Id="11013" PostId="5609" Score="0" Text="Suggested rewording:  &quot;You're an idiot, go away&quot;.   That is why I don't like this Close-Reason. It's just euphemism for what I said." CreationDate="2013-07-23T14:02:37.213" UserId="40185" />
  <row Id="10707" PostId="5610" Score="0" Text="I usually find myself recommending that these people pick up a book on basic concepts regarding the topic of their discussion. Whether people realize it or not, it's almost impossible to work with a person who [doesn't understand the basics](http://serverfault.com/questions/486326/how-can-i-host-multiple-websites-from-one-port-with-iis) or [won't even echo a variable](http://serverfault.com/questions/510402/red5-cant-find-java#comment581005_510402) (at least in a useful Q&amp;A context). The book thing is probably worth a mention." CreationDate="2013-06-29T19:49:17.630" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10747" PostId="5610" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB As far as I can see there was no comment prior to your comment requesting that he echo the variable.  So &quot;won't&quot; is the wrong term, that implies someone suggested additional troubleshooting and he refused to do so, which was not the case at all as far as I can see." CreationDate="2013-07-03T05:15:34.867" UserId="15810" />
  <row Id="10748" PostId="5610" Score="0" Text="@AaronLS Correct, *won't* is not the correct term here, but this is still beside my point: working with variables is the basics. If you have to be told *check the value of the variable*, you do not grasp the very basics, and for some of us that meets the standard of insufficient research. (added context: the individual in question was locked out of asking questions as a result of their baseline of knowledge being lacking. this is not a case where newbie patience was helping.)" CreationDate="2013-07-03T15:25:49.837" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10997" PostId="5610" Score="0" Text="... another one that thinks about the *status* and not the *knowledge*. next step, send a proof from your employer that states your job description... making this part of the account aproval." CreationDate="2013-07-20T13:27:06.250" UserId="10361" />
  <row Id="10919" PostId="5611" Score="0" Text="a bit condescending?" CreationDate="2013-07-18T04:42:14.583" UserId="54957" />
  <row Id="10697" PostId="5612" Score="2" Text="I like this one. Could even have a &quot;If you're not comfortable doing this on your own, consider hiring a professional&quot; and make the &quot;You're not a professional&quot; reasons unnecessary." CreationDate="2013-06-27T22:46:06.677" UserId="144990" />
  <row Id="10699" PostId="5612" Score="0" Text="I modified it a bit." CreationDate="2013-06-27T22:56:14.390" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="10903" PostId="5612" Score="0" Text="I can't think of a good way to say it without making this message huge, but can we work something in there about ***relevant*** log file and configuration snippets?" CreationDate="2013-07-12T23:36:39.120" UserId="56830" />
  <row Id="10904" PostId="5612" Score="1" Text="@DerfK I added a bit. It's not too long, but it doesn't sound perfect. Hmm." CreationDate="2013-07-12T23:59:12.580" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="10998" PostId="5612" Score="0" Text="Congrats @NathanC that's a constructive answer." CreationDate="2013-07-20T13:29:40.810" UserId="10361" />
  <row Id="10901" PostId="5613" Score="0" Text="Reworded the last sentence because I felt the old one was a bit combative instead of constructive.  I also tried to individually cover the three classes of scenarios I've encountered in which I might have used such a response: &quot;Why doesn't my Windows work?&quot;, &quot;apt-get works on only half my servers&quot; (turns out the other half are RH/CentOS), and &quot;The following is an exhaustive dump of every problem I've had on any of my servers in the last fortnight.  `&lt;snip&gt;thirty-page text dump&lt;/snip&gt;` How can I fix it?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-12T15:49:11.343" UserId="46760" />
  <row Id="10912" PostId="5618" Score="0" Text="I hardly ever see anything in the reopen queue either. It's not barren because some moderator is clearing it out." CreationDate="2013-07-14T21:29:13.053" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10999" PostId="5619" Score="0" Text="Based on this, personal guns should be forbidded all over the world because only police is entitled to use them. A question or answer should not be ever be denied because it *could* be used with bad intentions, obtaining knowledge is a crime... unless you are on SE." CreationDate="2013-07-20T13:33:11.620" UserId="10361" />
  <row Id="11000" PostId="5619" Score="0" Text="No, it's for questions that are explicitly about how to effect policy workarounds, not things that could be used as one.  Questions like this (&quot;How can I bypass this firewall rule&quot; or &quot;How can I prevent a GPO from being applied&quot; or &quot;How can I root my shared hosting environment&quot;) are never asked by a professional admin with the right tools for the job working on a system under their control." CreationDate="2013-07-20T18:54:34.470" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="10704" PostId="5621" Score="1" Text="What we're (moderators) _supposed_ to do obviously needs to be something completely different, at least in the short term." CreationDate="2013-06-28T14:52:27.443" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11828" PostId="5621" Score="0" Text="Is a close rate of %28 considered good/bad, high or low?" CreationDate="2013-10-16T15:37:48.167" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11830" PostId="5621" Score="0" Text="@samsmith Very high, it means that a large percentage of incoming questions do not fit for one reason or another." CreationDate="2013-10-16T15:51:55.653" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="11831" PostId="5621" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 Agreed. Sounds high to me also. I am concerned that a chunk of the questions closed are quality questions that are being closed for subjective reasons. To me a quality question is something that is topical for many admins. Example: I recently noticed a lot of posts related to comparing cloud servers are closed because they are &quot;comparison shopping&quot; or such. But such topics are central to the work of many admins today. Disallowing them forces those conversations off the site." CreationDate="2013-10-16T16:07:07.690" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11832" PostId="5621" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 another thought: If the % is considered high, perhaps reducing the close quota would force more eyeballs on the process and slow the close process down. There is nothing wrong with slowing it down, allowing the OP to improve the post, that kind of thing." CreationDate="2013-10-16T16:08:28.163" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="10714" PostId="5623" Score="2" Text="As the *administrator* of 3+ cPanel/WHM servers, I approve of this" CreationDate="2013-07-01T15:29:51.900" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="10705" PostId="5624" Score="4" Text="buuuuugs! bugs everywhere! They're crawling all over the site! ::swats frantically at the monitor::" CreationDate="2013-06-28T21:11:40.247" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10712" PostId="5626" Score="1" Text="To those of you that downvoted remember this is a forum for suggesting ideas, discussion, and making comments on them.  Simply downvoting suggestions is not really that valuable in a meta forum.  What we all want to encourage is suggestions even though others might not agree." CreationDate="2013-07-01T06:24:34.187" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10713" PostId="5626" Score="10" Text="Downvotes on meta [indicate disagreement](http://serverfault.com/help/whats-meta)." CreationDate="2013-07-01T06:37:19.553" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10717" PostId="5626" Score="0" Text="I thought that they indicate problems with the formation, formatting, or research on a specific question." CreationDate="2013-07-01T16:31:18.557" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10718" PostId="5626" Score="4" Text="From the linked document under the heading **Voting is different on meta.** _Votes on meta are generally used to express agreement or disagreement with a particular idea, rather than indicating the quality of research or factual correctness of a post... _" CreationDate="2013-07-01T17:39:10.230" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10719" PostId="5626" Score="0" Text="thanks for the correcting my misperception." CreationDate="2013-07-01T17:40:13.863" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="10710" PostId="5627" Score="6" Text="Rather, NE should just migrate everything here..." CreationDate="2013-06-30T17:29:33.147" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10711" PostId="5627" Score="0" Text="Meh, if they can be successful as a duplicate, more power to them I guess..." CreationDate="2013-07-01T03:54:45.740" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10873" PostId="5629" Score="0" Text="yep, I learned there that the NE site experts might handle higher end exceptions from SF, but once you are at the level to be on-topic for them then you are probably already proficient enough to figure it out or your next step is usually the OEM TAC and not a forum." CreationDate="2013-07-11T13:10:44.327" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10720" PostId="5631" Score="4" Text="Perhaps you should put a step in your planning which assesses the effect of the changes designed to make the place appear more welcoming to the newcomer will have on the long term users." CreationDate="2013-07-01T19:41:51.887" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10721" PostId="5631" Score="11" Text="&quot;I sent a newsletter last month to all moderators shortly ***after*** the changes to the Help Center&quot; - exactly." CreationDate="2013-07-01T20:20:12.460" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="10722" PostId="5631" Score="0" Text="@Iain I checked internally, we did some evaluation on that end and the response was largely positive. Probably might've helped to focus more on ironing out issues than fixing up various privilege/badge quirks. We'll work on that as well as better spread of communication, especially with regards to advance news of upcoming changes." CreationDate="2013-07-01T20:42:35.113" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="10723" PostId="5631" Score="3" Text="@GraceNote: Internally != long term users." CreationDate="2013-07-01T20:45:35.860" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10724" PostId="5631" Score="0" Text="@Iain I mean, I checked internally with people who informed me that we did focus group testing with existing users as well as new users." CreationDate="2013-07-01T20:48:56.827" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="10725" PostId="5631" Score="10" Text="I'm sorry but from where I'm standing, these changes appear to be something that stack exchange has done **to** the communities rather than **for** the communities. And while that's your right, and I don't want to be waving the &quot;we're special snowflakes&quot; flag, the fact that the audience for this site is scoped differently to the other 'main' SE sites means that is a problem imho and this site is getting less and less useful for the people who *contribute* to the site day by day." CreationDate="2013-07-01T21:18:04.817" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="10726" PostId="5631" Score="7" Text="@RobM agreed. The main site has become a real clusterfuck since [help] went live. No longer can I say `&quot;Please take a moment to read our [faq], because your question doesn't seem to fit here.&quot;` It's just not reasonable that a new user should read the whole help center, where it was entirely reasonable to ask them to read the faq. The help center makes it hard for new users to even *find* what is and isn't on-topic here. Then, to top it off, I can't even vote to close things any more. I can &quot;put things on hold&quot; (how fluffy) with reasons that don't line up with why we close things on SF." CreationDate="2013-07-01T22:57:01.243" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10727" PostId="5631" Score="4" Text="Server Fault already had a hard enough time with users asking off-topic and overly broad questions and now it's exacerbated by the help center obscuring that information even further. It used to be one click, now it's multiple clicks, plus locating topicality in the middle of a list - which no new user will ever find on their own. You took something simple (one click where the first sentence was the site's topicality) and replaced it with a mess of information that no one will ever read. I've stopped voting to &quot;on hold&quot; things and haven't really visited the main site much lately." CreationDate="2013-07-01T22:59:59.147" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10728" PostId="5631" Score="12" Text="SF is taking a real turn for the worse lately and it's clear that no one is listening to the current users. At this rate we'll be of /r/sysadmin quality in no time. (sorry for the 3-comment post. This has been bothering me for some time and I wanted to make sure someone at SE got the notifications)" CreationDate="2013-07-01T23:01:10.510" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10732" PostId="5631" Score="3" Text="@MDMarra Yeah, even though I`m pretty active on meta, and reasonably active on meta.SO, the help center and the new close reasons really seem like they`ve been dumped on us with very little input." CreationDate="2013-07-02T02:31:56.133" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10780" PostId="5631" Score="4" Text="@MDMarra +1 to each of those three comments (I'd upvote more if I could), as I couldn't agree more. The quality of questions here seems to be declining rapidly, and I now spend far more time in the review queues than I do actually trying to answer questions, and as such I don't feel like I'm offering much value to the site these days. I'm not a high rep user, but I've been here since the early days and I come here most days because I'm enthusiastic about my job and enjoy what I do. The scope of this site is vague/ambiguous at best, and the new help centre just makes it totally confusing." CreationDate="2013-07-05T10:31:39.607" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10782" PostId="5631" Score="0" Text="So I know that a nice solution to one small portion of this is that `/faq` should point not at the hub of the whole thing, but specifically at the on-topic stuff. I will push for this but I'd like some alternatives. `/rules`? `/scope`? If the word FAQ wasn't an option, what do you feel would be the best &quot;name&quot; for the primary destination of education?" CreationDate="2013-07-05T11:23:01.107" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="10784" PostId="5631" Score="0" Text="@GraceNote `/readme` or are we trying to get away from the &quot;traditional&quot; tech terminology?" CreationDate="2013-07-05T13:28:55.420" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10785" PostId="5631" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra Even if we'd like a more general term, I don't see the harm in also having a technical one as well. `/readme` sounds pretty appropriate." CreationDate="2013-07-05T13:37:20.473" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="10789" PostId="5631" Score="1" Text="@Bryan: #200 out of 120k makes you a top user." CreationDate="2013-07-05T18:38:59.027" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11103" PostId="5631" Score="0" Text="@GraceNote - could you have a look at my updated question please" CreationDate="2013-08-02T15:00:49.660" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11106" PostId="5631" Score="1" Text="@Chopper Noted. Pokin' folks about this now." CreationDate="2013-08-02T15:12:22.587" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="10918" PostId="5632" Score="0" Text="I like your idea to focus on the question, not the user. Well asked questions from budding sysadmins should be welcomed." CreationDate="2013-07-18T04:40:41.407" UserId="54957" />
  <row Id="11014" PostId="5632" Score="0" Text="&quot;Please demonstrate a minimal understanding of the problem being solved&quot;, sounds much better." CreationDate="2013-07-23T14:04:28.660" UserId="40185" />
  <row Id="10749" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="It shouldn't be on-topic because [an SE site already exists](http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com)." CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:32:02.937" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="10751" PostId="5636" Score="1" Text="@NathanC, my point is exactly that this question is actually not specific to the Raspberry Pi (and thus doesn't really belong on that SE site), but it's rather Debian admin question related to Nginx and Django." CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:32:54.477" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="10752" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="That's *one* question out of the literal hundreds of thousands on SF. You can't base assumptions off a single question." CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:33:41.867" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="10753" PostId="5636" Score="1" Text="Again, this meta question is about whether such questions are *ever* on topic, and whether to ban them purely on the mention of the RPi." CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:37:37.377" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="10754" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="*&quot;I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with asking a question about a Raspberry Pi any more than any other server (whatever its size).&quot;* The Pi is not a server, is not made to quality or specifications of a server. The device itself can have squirrely behavior based on power sources and SD card choices. The software / OS stacks made for it are not server quality and are themselves squirrely and a shifting sand. Pi questions are no different than someone trying to make a &quot;server&quot; out of an old laptop and hosting it in their closet. Put a Pi in a DC, it's still not a server." CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:38:12.120" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10755" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="Comparing a non-server-grade-device with *any other server* is not a good way to start. I think this is a conflict where you see &quot;a server&quot; as in &quot;a device running a service. E.g. a DOS based XT running a webserver&quot;, where most [SF] people think of a well tested 19&quot; device with redundant power supplies and remote access cards. (etc etc). -- As to ever on topic, they could be, but 99% of them will not be." CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:38:21.303" UserId="91359" />
  <row Id="10756" PostId="5636" Score="2" Text="*&quot;Rather, judging whether the question is on or off topic should be based on what it's actually asking.&quot;* Any question asking about a solution that is based on experimental and developmental technology, especially such things that are not even intended for production / server usage, are always off topic here." CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:39:09.870" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10757" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="*&quot;Removing the Raspberry Pi reference is indeed one of your suggestions, and this would probably work in this case. Do you then care on which hardware Nginx is running? (It matters to a degree for performance, but the general configuration is the same.)&quot;* The problem could have very well been as a result of unpredictable behavior of the applications and OS involved because the Pi and it's software are not often as stable or well maintained as server OSs and packages. It's too much of a dice game to answer Pi questions no matter the software involved." CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:40:11.623" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10758" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid, most software is ultimately intended for production usage. It's quite useful to have the advice of sysadmins who're going to handle that software, as a developer in general. Again, pushing away those questions doesn't help. In fact, sysadmins are often the ones who have to deal with that software once it's written, so advice on the admin aspects should be on-topic." CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:42:13.677" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="10759" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="It *could* have had an unpredictable behaviour, but it turns out that the question had a acceptable and accepted answer which seemed to provide a much more &quot;predictable&quot; explanation." CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:43:43.370" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="10760" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="It might be useful to have the advice of sysadmins, but not when the topic is based on unpredictable, non-professional foundations. That might be a bit of a subjective topic, that of &quot;what is professional&quot;, but a rule by consensus is used. I'm sure there are anecdotes about some profesional service using Pi's, but anecdotes aside, the unreliability and experimental nature of the Pi counts any and all questions surrounding it as being off topic." CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:49:32.087" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10761" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="While, yes, the answer was fortunately easy and not related to the Pi, the fact that the Pi could have been the culprit as a result of it's experimental nature and unreliability compared to something manufactured to withstand 24/7 and always-on usage (both hardware and software standards) makes it too much of a roulette game to guess. THe same view is taken on solutions using consumer hardware (PCs, laptops, etc.) in a business environment and asking for help. The problem could be transient and ethereal because of the poor foundations. Those questions have always been OT; Pis no exception." CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:51:23.267" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10762" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="I'm not talking about anecdotes, I'm talking about the fact it's running Nginx on a Debian Wheezy (slightly customised perhaps). Are there no professional servers out there running Nginx on a Debian Wheezy?" CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:51:48.583" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="10763" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="What you're saying is that because there *might* be some uncertainty in the conditions where the system is running, a question cannot be given the chance to be answered, even if there is an actual more straightforward answer than one of the other SF users may know." CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:55:06.060" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="10764" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="There are indeed professional servers running Nginx and Debian Wheezy. However, the non-server grade of the Pi's hardware itself makes even basic assumptions about the capabilities of Nginx and Debian Wheezy nearly impossible. For example, reports of phantom file system corrupt as a result of minuscule differences in power from bad PSUs. The device itself is unreliable in a professional sense and is not intended for being used in an IT Professional environment. Also, those &quot;slight customizations&quot; simply for a poor quality device are not going to always be trivial in themselves." CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:57:00.060" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10765" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="I'm not disagreeing with the fact that those slight customisations make the Pi belong elsewhere than SF, I'm disagreeing with the fact that you're assuming that whatever causes the problem in the question is due to one of these uncertainties, without giving a chance for the question to be answered." CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:59:12.827" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="10766" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="*&quot;What you're saying is that because there might be some uncertainty in the conditions where the system is running, a question cannot be given the chance to be answered, even if there is an actual more straightforward answer than one of the other SF users may know. &quot;* No. I'm saying &quot;because there **are** observable inconsistencies in the operation of a device not intended for professional use, but subsequently being used in a professional sense, there can be no support for it here based on the stated purpose of ServerFault.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-03T19:59:57.417" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10767" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="*&quot;I'm disagreeing with the fact that you're assuming that whatever causes the problem in the question is due to one of these uncertainties, without giving a chance for the question to be answered.&quot;* I'm unable to find a quote from be saying that. I'm saying that because of 1) ServerFault's purpose that things be used in a professional capacity, and 2) The Pi's unprofessional nature, and uncertainties surrounding it, the likelihood of a problem being due to that unpredictable and unprofessional nature causes it to be off topic on ServerFault no matter the circumstances like other devices too." CreationDate="2013-07-03T20:01:45.283" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10768" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="Again, you're making the assumption that the problem may be due to these observable inconsistencies, denying the asker from getting an answer, and denying someone who knows a &quot;normal&quot; explanation that would have equally applied to the same software on a real server to publish it. I'm sure there are some fairly exotic server room configurations out there, which may also bring their share of uncertainties." CreationDate="2013-07-03T20:02:25.280" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="10769" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="Again, you're failing to take into considering that even the * possibility* that a problem can be from unprofessional hardware by nature makes it off topic and not fit for ServerFault. Running servers using laptops, desktops, phones, Apple TVs, Roku boxes, etc. no matter if the person is a paid professional or making a world-spanning service on them, is always off topic. It has been shown to be too much of a rabbit hole to go down. Make a LAMP stack and run a profitable business on a hacked Playstation, and it's off topic. Same with Pis." CreationDate="2013-07-03T20:06:17.380" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10770" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="*&quot;denying the asker from getting an answer,&quot;* Askers will not get answers from ServerFault if they are using non-server hardware to make a solution of any kind. See above references to Apple TVs (we get those frequently) and Playstations. *&quot;and denying someone who knows a &quot;normal&quot; explanation that would have equally applied to the same software on a real server to publish it.&quot;* It is still too sketchy by experience to give a &quot;normal&quot; answer to an &quot;abnormal&quot; and unprofessional stack of hardware, or software. The few good answers like the one on the Pi above notwithstanding." CreationDate="2013-07-03T20:08:04.107" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10771" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="&quot;*Askers will not get answers from ServerFault if they are using non-server hardware to make a solution of any kind.*&quot; Not really, I'm sure I can find a large number of good SF questions that don't mention the hardware on which they run at all (perhaps the amount of RAM sometimes). What you're suggesting is that it's better not to say on which hardware you're running at all (relevant to the question or not) rather than saying it just it case it might have something to do with the problem but also make the question off-topic." CreationDate="2013-07-03T20:15:50.130" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="10772" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="[Here](http://serverfault.com/q/200613/47187) is an example question that would be off topic be the simple mention of the Pi by your standards, but the fact that we don't know makes leaves it on topic. (From the date, it's probably not running on a Pi indeed...)" CreationDate="2013-07-03T20:17:26.963" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="10774" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="@Bruno Yes, for years there has been a &quot;Don't Ask, Don't Tell&quot; policy, even for home-use scenarios where enterprise equipment is involved (which is strictly off topic). If it can be left out of the question, then fine, but if there is even an inkling that part of the problem might be the use of home-use or unprofessional hardware, it gets a headshot. If someone can ask without mentioning the Pi, we can't read minds, but at the slightest hint of the Pi being in the situation, it'll get closed once we realize that such a flaky system is being used." CreationDate="2013-07-03T22:00:49.193" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10775" PostId="5636" Score="1" Text="@Bruno And yes, that DHCP question would be either 1) Closed immediately, or 2) Have the Pi edited out by a kinder soul. The same happens for home-use questions. Even an enterprise SAN, routers, and 10Gb HBA question would be shot down if the person admitted it was hosted in his bedroom. (And many of us really do have enterprise things like that in our bedrooms, basements, or closets...) We're only here for business problems, in a business environment. If a question doesn't fit that, it's possible for the OP to conveniently leave that out, though it's not ideal." CreationDate="2013-07-03T22:03:55.817" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="13284" PostId="5636" Score="0" Text="@NathanC said “That's one question out of the literal hundreds of thousands on SF. You can't base assumptions off a single question.” – I think he gets it." CreationDate="2014-06-13T08:33:50.477" UserId="111338" />
  <row Id="10776" PostId="5637" Score="1" Text="Even &quot;server applications&quot; running on desktops or laptops are off topic here though. The idea is &quot;professional capacity, professional environment&quot; - anecdotes about people running a MNE's production databases on a laptop aside. So an Nginx problem running on a pi... off topic regardless of if the problem seems to purely be nginx. A Equallogic SAN and 10Gbit HBA issue is OT if it's hosted in a guy's bedroom or closet. If someone can ask a question like that without tipping their bedroom-hosting-hand, well... we're not Kreskin, so fine." CreationDate="2013-07-03T22:07:00.610" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10833" PostId="5637" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid, I think the problem with this strict definition of &quot;professional&quot; is that you cut out people who would want to expand their skills outside their strict work hours. It's quite frequent (possibly not always healthy) for people interested in IT in general to explore technologies they don't know outside the strict remit of their employment, with the hardware they can get hold of at home. I'd say you can learn a lot of reasonably advanced sysadmin skills (which could lead to questions relevant on SF) by using Linux VMs (for example) on a desktop at home." CreationDate="2013-07-09T13:37:58.130" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="10834" PostId="5637" Score="0" Text="Such users could be valuable contributors to SF (both asking and also sometimes answering questions). After all, SF (and the SE sites in general) are places to exchange knowledge. If the topic can be relevant, I'm not sure where or why the problem arises really matters." CreationDate="2013-07-09T13:40:08.343" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="10836" PostId="5637" Score="2" Text="@Bruno SuperUser is the place for &quot;starting&quot; sysadmins. SF is better designed for the established admins working in a production environment." CreationDate="2013-07-09T14:44:23.543" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="10838" PostId="5637" Score="2" Text="@Bruno Before you continue with this discussion please take a few minutes to read the following meta posts: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4111/what-is-a-professional-capacity ; http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5475/why-professional-capacity ; http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5463/can-we-do-anything-to-change-the-dynamic-of-the-site" CreationDate="2013-07-09T14:48:24.123" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10773" PostId="5638" Score="1" Text="That's not a bad point of view, but there's still a good chance that SF users are likely to give better Nginx configuration answers than RPi.SE users." CreationDate="2013-07-03T20:21:05.103" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="10829" PostId="5638" Score="0" Text="@Bruno yes but equally, RPi.SE users will be in a better place to say &quot;that's a limit of the platform&quot; where appropriate." CreationDate="2013-07-09T07:39:09.813" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="10832" PostId="5638" Score="0" Text="I realise most people here disagree with my point of view, fair enough. I just think it makes more sense to treat an Nginx question as a server software configuration question (on topic on SF), giving people the opportunity to answer. If it works on the RPi, everyone's a winner (including people who would have the same problem on a proper server); if the traditional suggestions don't work, then it's worth moving the question to the RPi site." CreationDate="2013-07-09T13:16:01.297" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="10778" PostId="5642" Score="4" Text="To be fair I was a terrible dictator when I was a mod, that's one of the reasons I gave it up - and it was making me miserable and stressed. It's not an easy job." CreationDate="2013-07-05T06:57:40.487" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="10781" PostId="5642" Score="1" Text="A moderator *is* community-elected so it obviously is somewhat harsh to call it a *dictatorship*. Honestly, I cannot understand all the buzz - the FAQ is still there (although the URI has changed) and requests to &quot;go read the FAQ&quot; are as likely (or unlikely) to be followed as they have been before." CreationDate="2013-07-05T10:35:24.670" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10786" PostId="5642" Score="2" Text="@syneticon That location change is a rather major problem. It may still be there, and now more changeable than before (we used to have a restriction on trilogy sites but with the new Help Center, the SF mods should be able to edit it at any time), but it's currently inconvenient to access and the move has invalidated a lot of history of guidance." CreationDate="2013-07-05T14:42:26.043" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="10787" PostId="5642" Score="5" Text="Good to see you back, even if it's just this once and under frustrating circumstances. =)" CreationDate="2013-07-05T17:44:00.120" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10790" PostId="5642" Score="0" Text="@GraceNote but this surely can easily be helped? It does not seem to involve much more than a change to the redirection destination of &lt;sitename&gt;/faq, or am I missing some major point here?" CreationDate="2013-07-05T19:54:26.600" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10779" PostId="5643" Score="1" Text="Additional point: Running more than one PHP version under apache (see e.g. http://serverfault.com/questions/520842/running-two-php-versions-5-3-5-2-at-the-same-time" CreationDate="2013-07-05T09:09:13.517" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="10783" PostId="5643" Score="1" Text="If you can make the canonical q&amp;a like the one for [cron](http://serverfault.com/questions/449651/why-is-my-crontab-not-working-and-how-can-i-troubleshoot-it) then it may be useful but if it ends up like the one for [mod_rewrite](http://serverfault.com/questions/214512/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-mod-rewrite-rules-but-were-afraid-to-as) then it will be less so as (I think) it's too like reading the documentation which people fail at anyway." CreationDate="2013-07-05T12:17:09.520" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10906" PostId="5644" Score="5" Text="You're not obligated to answer anyone's questions. You don't _have_ to feel so frustrated." CreationDate="2013-07-13T21:07:45.243" UserId="181493" />
  <row Id="10792" PostId="5645" Score="1" Text="We may have already discussed this and (kind of) decided against it http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1733/retagging-for-new-products-terminal-services-vs-remote-desktop-services" CreationDate="2013-07-06T07:35:48.470" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10793" PostId="5645" Score="0" Text="I see [a good point](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/1734/21223) though." CreationDate="2013-07-06T07:39:23.597" UserId="21223" />
  <row Id="10794" PostId="5645" Score="2" Text="Someone really needs to audit [tag:rdp] to ensure that Mark's guess (3rd paragraph) is correct before the merge." CreationDate="2013-07-06T08:47:28.457" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10879" PostId="5645" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner: Make this an answer so we can vote on it please." CreationDate="2013-07-11T16:27:56.120" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10795" PostId="5646" Score="4" Text="I would just like to say, I was the first one to upvote this post. How meta." CreationDate="2013-07-07T02:17:00.870" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10796" PostId="5646" Score="12" Text="We seem to vote to close a lot, but not up or down." CreationDate="2013-07-07T02:20:32.020" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="10797" PostId="5646" Score="6" Text="@FalconMomot Speak for yourself, buddy!" CreationDate="2013-07-07T05:08:48.110" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10798" PostId="5646" Score="4" Text="I really should vote to close this as a dup... http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3706/how-to-deal-with-bad-questions-vote" CreationDate="2013-07-07T05:09:08.580" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10799" PostId="5646" Score="6" Text="So, you want us to do a lot of extremely boring and ultimately useless busywork because the SE staff is unable and/or unwilling to do it's job (yes, keeping the site usable and attractive *is* their job, and they fail miserably)? Sorry, I pass." CreationDate="2013-07-07T10:18:53.077" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10801" PostId="5646" Score="0" Text="I won't deny it, I switched to using rss feeds to track a few choice tags (`dns`, `PAM`, etc.) and speed up identification of content I care to invest time in. Unfortunately, people of my ilk contribute to the problem that Ward describes in his answer." CreationDate="2013-07-07T15:25:26.917" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10813" PostId="5646" Score="3" Text="Even though I know we are supposed to upvote for questions that are formatted well and thoughtfully laid out, I tend to only upvote questions based on &quot;This question appeals to my interests&quot;.  I also don't normally open a lot of questions just to vote...the questions I open to even look at (or possibly) answer again fall into &quot;interesting&quot; to me.  Hopefully there's enough varying interests here on SF that people don't have to read over questions that have no appeal to them simply to make an informed vote." CreationDate="2013-07-08T15:58:43.523" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10814" PostId="5646" Score="0" Text="How do you mean 'vote'? can anyone explain?" CreationDate="2013-07-08T16:09:17.513" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="10841" PostId="5646" Score="0" Text="I liked the concept of this site in the beginning, but it's degraded into a utility that seems less useful than I hoped.  Now I can care less and come here for last ditch assistance, when I wanted to come here first.  It's such a shame, so much potential." CreationDate="2013-07-09T16:12:22.007" UserId="51457" />
  <row Id="10845" PostId="5646" Score="0" Text="@makerofthings7: Sadly the river of crappy questions is causing more and more people to be less interested." CreationDate="2013-07-09T17:04:36.213" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10846" PostId="5646" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner: Float your mouse over the upvote arrow next to a question, see what it says - that's all the guidance there is on voting. So just vote as you see fit but voting more is always a good thing." CreationDate="2013-07-09T17:07:28.260" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10847" PostId="5646" Score="0" Text="@Iain - &quot;it is useful and clear&quot;.  Useful is pretty subjective...useful to the community I'd presume.  I guess my point was more to lie SvW said..." CreationDate="2013-07-09T17:59:44.023" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10855" PostId="5646" Score="2" Text="A conundrum I often run into is that a question is legitimate, not a duplicate, and probably deserves an answer...but the amount of legwork they've done sucks. Doesn't deserve an upvote, probably doesn't deserve being downvoted into oblivion and ignored, and I'm too lazy to improve it." CreationDate="2013-07-10T02:48:04.083" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10859" PostId="5646" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB: Your answer to this is in the downvote tool tip." CreationDate="2013-07-10T07:03:30.793" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10863" PostId="5646" Score="0" Text="@SvW - What else are supposed to do? I think it's pretty clear at this point that SE's idea of what SF is supposed to be is pretty divergent from what the active community here wants SF to be. We're not going to win that one so if it's a choice between doing nothing, doing nothing productive (appealing to SE) or upvoting the good content here why not upvote?" CreationDate="2013-07-10T16:19:40.257" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="10864" PostId="5646" Score="0" Text="@Chopper3 - There is lots of great content (both in answers and questions) that have very few up votes. The voting mechanism does some important things but I really want to emphasize that it shows the poster that the community *values* their content. Everyone's always whining about the &quot;river of crappy questions&quot; (which are indeed crappy) but no one up votes the good content (see Ward's examples in his original [call to arms](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3706/how-to-deal-with-bad-questions-vote)). For the &quot;How&quot; of voting see Ward's answers below." CreationDate="2013-07-10T16:32:38.403" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="10868" PostId="5646" Score="1" Text="I think this post is a symptom of a community that has become too wrapped up in itself.  People come here to solve problems, not for your entertainment. Every question isn't going to be interesting, a boring question still deserves an answer." CreationDate="2013-07-11T10:45:48.333" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="10878" PostId="5646" Score="0" Text="@JamesRyan - The problem isn't that the questions are boring. It's that about 25% fail to meet SF's standards and I'm willing to bet a further 10% or 15% barely qualify. My point is that people always complain about the poor content but never vote it down or more importantly vote up the good content." CreationDate="2013-07-11T15:48:37.753" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="10880" PostId="5646" Score="0" Text="The poor content is irrelevant when you are searching for a relevant answer to a problem.  I don't see serverfault not working, I see a bunch of people with false expectations complaining." CreationDate="2013-07-11T16:50:58.843" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="10881" PostId="5646" Score="4" Text="@JamesRyan - If people who are generating good content no longer participate because they are tired of sorting through what the community has defined as poor content there won't be any good or relevant answers to find. See RobM's comments in my original post. The issue at stake is how do we keep the content-providers here but grow the site and its audience at the same time?" CreationDate="2013-07-11T17:06:17.953" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="10899" PostId="5646" Score="1" Text="Don't lose sight of the fact that 'people who are generating good content' actually consists of 2 groups with different priorities.  As a questioner if my boring/slightly off topic question gets dismissed or hounded then I am likely to take my good questions away too." CreationDate="2013-07-12T09:52:13.720" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="10900" PostId="5646" Score="1" Text="Good content is what solves people's problems, not what keeps answerers interested.  If you don't want to deal with the mundane then narrowing scope isn't a great way to deal with that, providing steps to help people help themselves or automatically providing or redirecting to common answers would be better." CreationDate="2013-07-12T09:59:52.140" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="10914" PostId="5646" Score="6" Text="I stopped using SF because there is some pretty bad poison in the community. Some grumpy people around these parts makes it not worth it to visit this site." CreationDate="2013-07-16T13:16:18.103" UserId="100695" />
  <row Id="11260" PostId="5646" Score="0" Text="I have a couple of questions with [combined thousands of views and literally 12 combined votes](http://serverfault.com/users/50647/aaron-copley?tab=questions&amp;sort=votes). Why is voting so hard? If you take time to click on the question it's probably worth a vote one way or the other. Likewise, I put time and energy into answers and even OP won't vote -- let alone my SF peers. Part of me just wants to help people and not give a damn about the points. The other part finds motivation in it." CreationDate="2013-08-09T14:07:23.647" UserId="50647" />
  <row Id="11262" PostId="5646" Score="6" Text="Actually, you know what really drives me nuts? Continually seeing Meta posts with 10x the votes than actual content will ever receive. (Not to dismiss the importance of Meta.)" CreationDate="2013-08-09T14:30:10.043" UserId="50647" />
  <row Id="10800" PostId="5647" Score="0" Text="It's a shame [stack2rss](http://stack2rss.stackexchange.com/) doesn't have a *votes* parameter, else I'd make a filter for this." CreationDate="2013-07-07T15:20:17.047" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10802" PostId="5647" Score="7" Text="Step 3.5. Add a comment telling the user what's wrong with their question!" CreationDate="2013-07-07T15:41:34.587" UserId="63619" />
  <row Id="10803" PostId="5647" Score="5" Text="@Kevin ...[if the user invested effort or you're feeling nice](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5337/why-the-hostility/5353#5353). Avoid burnout. It's a factor in our careers, and it's a factor in keeping SF useful." CreationDate="2013-07-07T15:49:56.407" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="10809" PostId="5647" Score="4" Text="@KevinSoviero: The vast majority of the time the tooltip when you float your mose over the DV is sufficient." CreationDate="2013-07-07T21:14:13.950" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10898" PostId="5647" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB: It would if the API offered a `votes` parameter :)" CreationDate="2013-07-12T07:24:30.373" UserId="30745" />
  <row Id="10902" PostId="5647" Score="0" Text="Voted +1 helpful :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-12T20:18:42.823" UserId="106102" />
  <row Id="10804" PostId="5649" Score="6" Text="I actually see someone setting up a personal website.  However, I see the topic constraint as applying more to &quot;this thing you are doing is something which is only ever done by developers and never by system administrators&quot; than &quot;you are a developer&quot;.  I'm a developer sometimes too." CreationDate="2013-07-07T17:35:34.443" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="10806" PostId="5649" Score="3" Text="/about explicitly excludes developer environments too." CreationDate="2013-07-07T19:06:23.393" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10807" PostId="5649" Score="4" Text="@FalconMomot: We had ourselves removed from [so]'s migration queue because a migrated question (about a developer environment) was a strong candidate for being crappy question. That developers come and ask (lots of) questions directly doesn't change that." CreationDate="2013-07-07T19:08:33.840" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10808" PostId="5649" Score="0" Text="Their moderators continue to migrate garbage here occasionally." CreationDate="2013-07-07T19:35:48.397" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="10815" PostId="5649" Score="3" Text="@FalconMomot: like most of us their moderators are fallible." CreationDate="2013-07-08T16:47:10.713" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11006" PostId="5649" Score="1" Text="@Michael Hampton, as a system/network admin we are often requested to setup an environment that developers can work on.  Therefor IMO the setup of a dev environment does fall under the scope of ServerFault.  The actual using of the dev env is for stack overflow.  Example instruction from management: setup a LAMP server for 3 websites and give ssh access to the dev team." CreationDate="2013-07-21T02:47:20.977" UserId="178049" />
  <row Id="11007" PostId="5649" Score="0" Text="@BeowulfNode42: I think you're missing the point. Most of the quality issues we have with the 'river of shit' that is the front page are from amateur 'devs' who are trying to solve problems with their home pc/mac whatever. This is not the site for them." CreationDate="2013-07-21T07:21:16.867" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11009" PostId="5649" Score="0" Text="@Michael Hampton, I can appreciate that, and agree that the example provided looks like some beginner dev or student messing around on their local pc due to the localhost address listed in the config, and the superuser or stackoverflow sites would of been a better place for that particular question.  However my point is that real admins are asked to setup dev environments and those questions are not off topic IMO. My example is http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-virtualization-and-cloud-90/nat-with-xen-%27s-4175439511/ clearly for students to use but for an admin to setup" CreationDate="2013-07-21T10:02:58.140" UserId="178049" />
  <row Id="10810" PostId="5650" Score="1" Text="This limits on the low end of the spectrum are in place to prevent trolls (and disgruntled old timers with sock puppet accounts) from wreaking havoc with downvotes and disruptive comments. You need 50 rep to comment everywhere, that's not hard to get at all and you are almost there." CreationDate="2013-07-08T07:09:51.203" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10811" PostId="5650" Score="6" Text="The problem with the rep barriers are on the high end, as everything is scaled around the activity of [SO], which is ~30 times higher than on [SF] and even more so on smaller sites, making it quite hard to reach those limits on most sites." CreationDate="2013-07-08T07:18:11.563" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10816" PostId="5651" Score="2" Text="Orrr... Google Plus Hangout?" CreationDate="2013-07-08T19:45:55.993" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10820" PostId="5651" Score="4" Text="@WesleyDavid Google plus what?" CreationDate="2013-07-09T01:17:43.410" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="10817" PostId="5652" Score="3" Text="Now, only if there were something like a conference bridge so I could act like I was on a very important conference call using my desk line.." CreationDate="2013-07-08T20:13:32.200" UserId="50647" />
  <row Id="10818" PostId="5652" Score="0" Text="@AaronCopley Get cracking on an Asterisk2TeamSpeak module..." CreationDate="2013-07-08T21:03:22.777" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10819" PostId="5652" Score="0" Text="@AaronCopley: You're *totally* using your soft phone." CreationDate="2013-07-09T01:07:12.733" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="10821" PostId="5653" Score="9" Text="Using something for business doesn't make it a business platform any more than putting on a doctors coat makes you a doctor." CreationDate="2013-07-09T03:18:53.370" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10822" PostId="5653" Score="2" Text="I... can't believe I'm saying this, but... oh god help me...  I actually think you have a valid point about how we entertain software like vim, etc. I also agree that there are some places where an rpi might make sense. But I also think that these questions are going to be better served elsewhere. As you said, we don't have any intellectual prowess, so we're surely not qualified to actually *answer* anything" CreationDate="2013-07-09T03:21:11.863" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10823" PostId="5653" Score="0" Text="@WesleyDavid Enjoy an upvote! That's totally true if you are a logical and sane person. Unfortunately the junta at ServerFault is outside of that desirable category. While I agree with you whole heatedly, they've settled this on the wrong side of the issue. I've played an active role in the core question here which is exactly that -- *what is a business use*, and time and time again those dingleberries have come down on *location of use*." CreationDate="2013-07-09T03:46:25.533" UserId="18822" />
  <row Id="10824" PostId="5653" Score="0" Text="A great example would be RDP. RDP is just a user-application that just so happens to be ever so slightly more essential to server administration than Notepad. Yet both are explicitly on topic on ServerFault, and SuperUser." CreationDate="2013-07-09T03:50:32.740" UserId="18822" />
  <row Id="10825" PostId="5653" Score="0" Text="This largely stems from an even more *core* issue with this horrible network of sites, and that is the desire to have an explicit community without an explicit mission. All you need is a big circle of friends and a bribe for @JeffAtwood and you can get a SE. Then they try to make sense of it in the FAQ after the matter when they have conflicting interests with established communities. To exacerbate matters, the rule of thumb is self-preservation and not community disambiguation so 95% of this crap is confusingly on topic on multiple StackExchange sites." CreationDate="2013-07-09T03:52:28.203" UserId="18822" />
  <row Id="10826" PostId="5653" Score="0" Text="Is the question Ubuntu, ask it on SuperUser, Unix.SE, or Ubuntu.SE, if it has any relation to *server* software, ask it on ServerFault, unless it has a specific relation to security -- then on Security.SE. Etc. The flow chart is a diagram of who has the most users and the most active community." CreationDate="2013-07-09T03:55:54.423" UserId="18822" />
  <row Id="10827" PostId="5653" Score="1" Text="it probably *can* be on topic, but I expect that'd be rare in practice." CreationDate="2013-07-09T04:24:35.247" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="10828" PostId="5653" Score="1" Text="@EvanCarroll I... I... I'm agreeing with you now. Mostly concerning your first comment, and also the &quot;horrible network of sites&quot; quote. Things have gotten out of hand regarding site sprawl. I'm going to edit your question so I can take back my downvote. I see where you're coming from - making a Devil's Advocate answer." CreationDate="2013-07-09T05:42:49.357" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10835" PostId="5653" Score="2" Text="What kind of crap is this, my answer goes gray after three downvotes now? I think @JeffAtwood is out to make this site totally devoid of my useful contributions. Who could read this even if they wanted to? It's like white on white -- this is a UI disaster and a clear case of ableism. The visually impaired must miss a lot when they browse a StackExchange." CreationDate="2013-07-09T13:58:09.850" UserId="18822" />
  <row Id="10842" PostId="5653" Score="0" Text="There are definitely &quot;business&quot;/&quot;server&quot; applications of low-cost hardware like the Raspberry Pi.  The one that pops immediately to my mind is network monitoring &amp; measurement.  In such an application you do not need super robust hardware; you need lots of measurement points at a reasonable cost, and things like the RPi fit the bill nicely.&#xA;&#xA;I agree however with @JeffAtwood that it is likely that most RPi questions will be off-topic." CreationDate="2013-07-09T16:28:13.403" UserId="67368" />
  <row Id="10830" PostId="5654" Score="6" Text="When we feel that a question is OT, we close it as fast as possible, to keep the site clean (and prevent answers that might stop the eventual auto-delete). Try to get a feel for what is OT and use it to not answer questions that are likely go get closed fast. If you happen to know more answers for things better asked on [SU] as an example, maybe that's a better site for you to participate." CreationDate="2013-07-09T08:08:37.657" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10831" PostId="5654" Score="0" Text="If you see a question that *really* shouldn't have been closed, flag it for mod attention (in really obvious cases only) or bring it up on meta or in chat. Also, if a question is edited after being closed, the question will end up in a review queue where people can decide if it's so much better to warrant reopening it." CreationDate="2013-07-09T08:14:27.040" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10851" PostId="5654" Score="0" Text="The problem is that people asking questions often don't know what they are talking about, and they don't phrase their question very well. It takes someone who knows the answer to what they really mean to word the question properly.  This site has the ability for people answering the question to propose changes to the question.  Fixing badly worded but valid questions will lead to better content.  PS. I've joined a bunch of stackexchange websites, including superuser.com" CreationDate="2013-07-09T22:37:24.827" UserId="178049" />
  <row Id="10857" PostId="5654" Score="6" Text="By all means, if you see a poorly worded question, _edit it first_. Any user can propose an edit, and either the original poster, or two other community members, can approve or reject the edit." CreationDate="2013-07-10T03:15:28.900" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10860" PostId="5654" Score="3" Text="@BeowulfNode42: If people don't know what they're talking about why are they in charge of a companies IT ?" CreationDate="2013-07-10T07:05:41.053" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10867" PostId="5654" Score="0" Text="very good question, but that does not prevent them being in charge of some poor company's IT.  The reason why is because they know more than the HR recruitment person, which still may not be much.  I remember providing support to some poor sys admin guy in the middle of a disaster recovery problem to teach him how to burn an .iso file to disc properly." CreationDate="2013-07-11T03:50:40.730" UserId="178049" />
  <row Id="10915" PostId="5654" Score="3" Text="**but that does not prevent them being in charge of some poor company's IT.** -- true, and equally the cure for being inexperienced and out of their depth is not to have us pander to their inabilities, either. Closing/Holding a seriously flawed question until it's fixed and then reopening it is the right way to deal with those questions." CreationDate="2013-07-16T14:07:05.337" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="10856" PostId="5655" Score="0" Text="This was already reported on mSO. See [Close and flag links do nothing on mobile site](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/186622/189912)." CreationDate="2013-07-10T03:11:59.980" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10843" PostId="5656" Score="3" Text="The SO part would be..." CreationDate="2013-07-09T16:34:43.327" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="10861" PostId="5656" Score="2" Text="I don't really understand what's wrong with soho ?" CreationDate="2013-07-10T07:07:07.310" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10909" PostId="5656" Score="0" Text="I agree with @Iain ... this stuff is legit.  At many SMBs, the sysadmins are also tech support for the owners home and/or small branch offices." CreationDate="2013-07-14T00:49:33.360" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="10844" PostId="5658" Score="2" Text="Oh, my bad.  There is but one unanswered question, and indeed 13 questions." CreationDate="2013-07-09T16:40:59.847" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="10848" PostId="5659" Score="6" Text="People rarely read any type of documentation these days because it's so easy to 'ask the internet' but that's a different problem. Your 'solution' is poor, we have several years worth of comments that say (effectively) Please read our [faq] which are now made useless by the having them redirected to a general help document rather than the more specific target that they originally pointed to. It would be preferable to have someone update the database with links to the original target rather than the band aid provided." CreationDate="2013-07-09T21:02:39.060" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10849" PostId="5659" Score="3" Text="Instead of &quot;mitigating&quot; the help centre being unfit for purpose, why not just make it fit for purpose. Or, and I realise this is a bit radical, roll back to the old setup which at least 'sucked less' and come up with a proper solution?" CreationDate="2013-07-09T21:09:55.847" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="10850" PostId="5659" Score="3" Text="This is a good step forward. There are fundamental problems here, folk just don't read jack anymore, but for those inclined to do so, this makes the key information more discoverable." CreationDate="2013-07-09T21:39:32.717" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="10852" PostId="5659" Score="3" Text="&quot;Folks don't read jack&quot; may be fine for gaming.se, but this is a site for **professionals**. A &quot;professional&quot; that doesn't read the documentation isn't the kind of professional that will bring much value to this community." CreationDate="2013-07-10T00:13:22.793" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10853" PostId="5659" Score="1" Text="@Iain The old faq had anchor links for each section; we added redirects for those anchor links to the corresponding pages in the new help center. Anything that linked to a specific piece of info **still links to that specific info**. There is no way we can reasonably assume that everyone who linked to just /faq (rather than /faq#questions) intended to highlight that one section, so we are not going to a global redirect like that. We're doing our best to accommodate the feedback we've gotten, but keep in mind that implementing customized solutions for 100+ sites would be impossible to maintain." CreationDate="2013-07-10T00:17:48.170" UserId="110012" />
  <row Id="10854" PostId="5659" Score="0" Text="@RobM The whole reason for the redesign is that the old FAQ was simply inadequate at fully explaining our model. It provided good information, but we had loads of other information scattered throughout a lot of places, many of which were undiscoverable to new users. Consolidating it into one place is an improvement. If, however, you have *specific* ideas for how to make the help center better, I welcome them. See my above comment, though, that I can't promise to implement a fully customized version just for SF - we don't have the resources to fully customize every site in the network." CreationDate="2013-07-10T00:21:07.750" UserId="110012" />
  <row Id="10858" PostId="5659" Score="4" Text="@Laura: Your argument is specious. You (as ever) seem more concerned with the minority. I don't think I ever sent someone to look at the /faq without meaning that they should read about what was topical/not topical. I am fairly sure that pretty much every regular here did the same thing. So, you are prepared to invalidate hundreds if not thousands of my (and other links) on the off chance that you don't invalidate the occasional link that meant something else - pfft, how crappy is that?" CreationDate="2013-07-10T06:12:13.473" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10862" PostId="5659" Score="3" Text="Laura, consolidating information into one place *would be* an improvement if it was consolidated into something that actually improved discoverability. And if everything was actually consolidated into one place instead of being hidden behind &quot;view more&quot; links, which kinda invalidates your point. I realise that this is Stack Exchange's site to do with at it pleases, and I'd actually respect that as a reply more than what you're currently doing - trying to sell me an outhouse with a door that doesn't close properly by claiming it's the Taj Mahal." CreationDate="2013-07-10T07:10:35.980" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="10866" PostId="5659" Score="4" Text="More 'broad-brush'/'one-size-fits-all' responses from The Gods - desperate to do anything but listen to those who do the actual clean-up work. Server Fault may not be perfect but at least there are people giving their time for free to keep it as close to perfection as possible, the lack of dialogue being demonstrated time and again here will simply mean those who care about the site stop doing so." CreationDate="2013-07-10T22:43:22.367" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="10870" PostId="5659" Score="2" Text="As a suggestion, if it is not possible to create a site-specific redirect from /faq to /help/on-topic, maybe it might be more adequate to alter all historic comments' texts referencing the /faq in any way to go to the new location of /help/on-topic. I can see how it creates a load of up-front work, but if SE is reluctant to doing the redirect this seems like the option making the most sense." CreationDate="2013-07-11T11:35:51.690" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10874" PostId="5659" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj: I think that's what I suggested at the start of the comment thread." CreationDate="2013-07-11T14:00:47.067" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10871" PostId="5661" Score="0" Text="I think a better tag choice nowadays at least here on SF would be &quot;smb&quot;." CreationDate="2013-07-11T13:01:57.413" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10875" PostId="5661" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner: Except we already use [tag:smb] for smb." CreationDate="2013-07-11T14:13:34.853" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10876" PostId="5661" Score="0" Text="@Iain - Sure...I was referring to the idea that people don't really say &quot;SOHO&quot; anymore when referring to small businesses in the industry.  Most simply use smb at this point.  So if the person is asking themselves &quot;do I use the tag soho or smb?&quot; my vote is smb as soho is so 90s at this point." CreationDate="2013-07-11T14:26:47.470" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10877" PostId="5661" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner: ah right." CreationDate="2013-07-11T14:32:27.150" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10882" PostId="5662" Score="0" Text="So why don't use [[tag:remote-desktop]] everywhere then?" CreationDate="2013-07-11T19:17:31.647" UserId="21223" />
  <row Id="10890" PostId="5662" Score="0" Text="@abatishchev - sorry, I will update my answer as to the &quot;why not use [remote-desktop] everywhere." CreationDate="2013-07-11T21:25:09.953" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="10883" PostId="5663" Score="15" Text="You must care a lot about about this site given your account here is 37 minutes old...&#xA;&#xA;Here are the points;&#xA;&#xA;1) We want new users to made super-aware that the site is for professional sysadmins and not home/shopping/mucking-about-with-IT BEFORE they get a chance to post anything on the site and we want a single URL that we can point them to explaining these points when they continue to make inappropriate posts - we used to have this.&#xA;&#xA;2) It's not clear whether SF users need to monitor Meta.SO to learn about how SF is run - it's also a little insulting, are we second-class citizens?" CreationDate="2013-07-11T19:47:51.313" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="10885" PostId="5663" Score="5" Text="`/about` does a serviceable job of replacing some of what `/faq` covered -- Redirecting [FAQ] to `/about` is certainly more sensible than pointing it to the help center (which drops people into a sea of information without so much as a life vest). No technical solution will ever address the fundamental problem though (people don't read the scope/topicality information - before or after posting)." CreationDate="2013-07-11T19:57:36.887" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10886" PostId="5663" Score="0" Text="@Chopper3 (1) As it stands currently, it appears that /about does explain these points. I'm specifically asking for how the /about page fall short so that I can fix it. (2) MSO is the discussion and feedback site for the entire network, not just stack overflow. This is a remnant of the time when the only site was stack overflow. I don't at all mean to insult, this is just the standard place where we preannounce new features for discussion. It's just not possible for me to post and respond to questions on all 100 meta sites." CreationDate="2013-07-11T20:05:37.840" UserId="181226" />
  <row Id="10887" PostId="5663" Score="3" Text="@JeremyTunnell Welcome to Meta.SF, nice of you to join us. Regarding point 2), many of us have been around since before this place was here so we're aware of the history, but the question is why is it still like this? it also begs the question of why bother with this place at all, can you see the confusion we have here - we feel like we don't matter to you guys." CreationDate="2013-07-11T20:11:31.057" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="10888" PostId="5663" Score="0" Text="@Chopper3 The migration is difficult, both technically and logistically. To answer your second question &quot;why bother with this place?&quot;: MSF is where you should discuss issues within the SF community or about the SF site itself. If you would like to provide feedback or suggest features that would affect other sites, you should do that on MSO. I don't have time to visit all 100 meta sites on a regular basis, but the community managers alert me when something comes up that might apply more generally (like this)." CreationDate="2013-07-11T20:19:45.113" UserId="181226" />
  <row Id="10889" PostId="5663" Score="7" Text="&quot;If you would like to provide feedback or suggest features that would affect other sites, you should do that on MSO.&quot; -- have you not seen how requests from other sites often either get ignored, or buried by ignorant SO members who are convinced that because they don't have a problem there isn't a problem?" CreationDate="2013-07-11T21:05:36.870" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="10892" PostId="5663" Score="0" Text="@JeremyTunnell: As you can see http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/186838/why-does-server-faults-new-help-system-de-emphasize-the-professional-audience it was taken to mSO but was subsequently brought back here ~ kinda all over the place really :(" CreationDate="2013-07-11T21:46:05.523" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10893" PostId="5663" Score="0" Text="@Iain Yeah, sorry guys, it's not the best system. All I can do right now is try to solve the problem at hand. Can you guys help me out with specifics on what the old FAQ page had that we didn't get into the new /about page?" CreationDate="2013-07-11T21:54:46.593" UserId="181226" />
  <row Id="10905" PostId="5663" Score="6" Text="@JeremyTunnell: So Far as I can see the new /about takes care of the things we care about from the old /faq." CreationDate="2013-07-13T18:11:32.280" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10911" PostId="5663" Score="0" Text="/about says that this is a site for pro network/systems people, but it doesn't define it. A big part of the problem with our audience is that people that don't know what this means *really* don't know what it means. That's why we've gone through multiple painful faq rewrites. We specifically listed on-topic vs off-topic in a concise list in the first section of the faq. So, yes, a new user can see /about and see that it's for pro admins, but they can't see what we as a community consider &quot;pro admin&quot; to mean. For that, they have to get lost in /help." CreationDate="2013-07-14T04:10:44.970" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10913" PostId="5663" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra We did add the &quot;Get answers to practical, detailed questions&quot; section on the about page which summarizes the on and off topic pages. In the &quot;don't ask about&quot; section, &quot;Anything in a home or development environment&quot; is bolded. Are you saying it's not prominent enough?" CreationDate="2013-07-15T15:51:45.710" UserId="181226" />
  <row Id="10916" PostId="5663" Score="0" Text="@JeremyTunnell I completely missed it. IMO topicality should be directly under the top portion on that page." CreationDate="2013-07-17T16:15:32.227" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="10972" PostId="5663" Score="5" Text="I'm happy to see that you're getting some changes done, but I still must insist on a MUCH more visible warning about the site belonging _only_ to professional sysadmins/network administrators." CreationDate="2013-07-19T16:12:58.487" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="10973" PostId="5663" Score="0" Text="@pauska: I understand that Jaydles is working with the SF mods to do something in this area but as ever `...`" CreationDate="2013-07-19T16:18:42.277" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11093" PostId="5663" Score="1" Text="@JeremyTunnell - could you have a look at my edits in the question above please." CreationDate="2013-08-02T14:06:29.557" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11111" PostId="5663" Score="2" Text="@Chopper3 We don't have enough data after all the new help/close/about changes to see what the effects have been. I'd like to let things settle down before we consider any more changes. So give it a couple months and let's see what the numbers look like." CreationDate="2013-08-02T19:12:36.430" UserId="181226" />
  <row Id="11116" PostId="5663" Score="1" Text="@JeremyTunnell - really? are you TRYING to come over as someone who either doesn't want to do their job, can't or doesn't care about it, it's unclear?" CreationDate="2013-08-02T19:22:07.067" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11117" PostId="5663" Score="2" Text="@JeremyTunnell: My impression is that there is no lessening in the river of shit that is the front page of SF :(" CreationDate="2013-08-02T19:22:15.780" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11118" PostId="5663" Score="5" Text="My experience is that we are getting more crappy offtopic questions after the faq/help rewrite than before. I'm starting to believe that SE doesn't want SF to be a professionals ONLY site. Less traffic is less revenue." CreationDate="2013-08-02T19:24:00.100" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="11121" PostId="5663" Score="8" Text="@Chopper3, because your last comment is directed toward an employee, I'm not deleting it, lest anyone accuse us of censorship. That said, it's not acceptable behavior. You can argue about features, priorities, and whether our PM is allocating enough attention to this site vs. all the others as much as you'd like - we encourage that.   You *cannot,* however, suggest that him not acceding to enough of your requests means that he doesn't care about his job. This discussion hinges on how we can work together to keep this site professional; let's all try to to do the same for our interactions." CreationDate="2013-08-02T20:13:20.670" UserId="130222" />
  <row Id="11122" PostId="5663" Score="5" Text="@Jaydles - Jeremy and yourself clearly have no idea of the strength of feeling of how you're ruining the site for those who actually contribute to it. You may feel I wasn't being very nice but for someone who supposedly has something (?) to do with the running of this site to suggest we review things in &quot;a couple of MONTHS&quot; is genuinely angering and in my opinion massively unprofessional. Here's an idea; work out what percentage of the total rep gained by all users since these changes was earned by those contributing to this discussion. You're forcing away those that make the site work." CreationDate="2013-08-02T21:13:15.210" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11123" PostId="5663" Score="7" Text="@Jaydles: Y'all are fiddling while Rome burns. We are absolutely failing to reach out to and retain our target market, almost none of the questions on this site are from demonstrably professional IT administrators. If I were in the market for hiring an IT Admin quite frankly SF would be that last place I would want to advertise because of that." CreationDate="2013-08-02T21:27:21.113" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11124" PostId="5663" Score="8" Text="@Jaydles We want to have a more professionally orientated SF and you (as SE) want to market that as a place to sell advertising for your recruitment business. These should be so closely aligned as to be inseparable. Unfortunately you don't seem to be listening to us when we tell you there is a huge problem that ultimately hurts all of us. Unless of course you don't care because clicks beats shit." CreationDate="2013-08-02T21:38:36.673" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11126" PostId="5663" Score="6" Text="@Jaydles - this question is about us being ignored, so ignoring us further, for months, is bound to anger and confuse us. Please prove us wrong by not ignoring us any further." CreationDate="2013-08-02T22:20:58.857" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11127" PostId="5663" Score="0" Text="@Chopper3, the last thing I want is for you to feel ignored.  We changed a number of things to address some of your specific requests.  Wanting to review the impact of those changes before making others doesn't  mean ignoring you.  But if it feels that way, I'd like to remedy it - I'm happy to set up a call to discuss your concerns next week. Just email team@stackexchange.com with what times are good for you, and add that it's for Jay.   I'll reply with a planner from my direct email." CreationDate="2013-08-03T03:39:05.433" UserId="130222" />
  <row Id="11128" PostId="5663" Score="1" Text="**the last thing I want is for you to feel ignored.** Really @Jaydles ? And yet there you all are, not listening to what we're saying. Or not caring. Actions speak louder and words and I'm not seeing any action on SE's part here. You're using more energy on scolding Chopper3 than fixing the site from what I see, which tells us all about exactly how much you care about the issues here." CreationDate="2013-08-03T09:06:57.967" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11129" PostId="5663" Score="0" Text="@robm, same offer - send us an email so we can talk.  If the timing works, you me and chopper can talk together over Skype or a hangout.  If not, I'm happy to do one with each of you. It's clear that the changes we were able to bump above our other resource priorities still haven't addressed all you concerns, so lets spend some time together trying to see if we find other changes that we have enough resources to knock out sooner than later." CreationDate="2013-08-03T14:54:00.750" UserId="130222" />
  <row Id="11131" PostId="5663" Score="0" Text="@Jaydles I'll contact you as suggested early next week as we're having a call between ourselves to clarify one unified list of what we all need." CreationDate="2013-08-03T20:42:28.170" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="10907" PostId="5665" Score="9" Text="Perhaps it's just me, but I really don't understand how so many companies apparently hire people who are completely incapable of doing the basics and reading the documentation." CreationDate="2013-07-13T21:37:43.357" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10908" PostId="5665" Score="3" Text="@Iain  Maybe RTFM needs to be a close reason ;-)" CreationDate="2013-07-14T00:47:42.193" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="10910" PostId="5665" Score="1" Text="At this point, I actually would be more in favor of &quot;RTFM&quot;as reason to Close than some of the dog piles I've seen in the last year." CreationDate="2013-07-14T01:47:41.913" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="10917" PostId="5665" Score="2" Text="In some cases, documentation is intended for experienced users and reads more like an index, rather than a set of instructions. Simply saying &quot;RTFM&quot; doesn't always address the issue. The VirtualHosts question was presented as a &quot;I did x, but I'm not sure what's next&quot; question." CreationDate="2013-07-17T20:06:08.320" UserId="47798" />
  <row Id="10990" PostId="5665" Score="1" Text="@ForceFlow: Learning to read and understand documentation is all part of the job." CreationDate="2013-07-19T20:44:02.303" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11010" PostId="5665" Score="1" Text="@lain Sure, and that comes in time. But it isn't always something a beginner can just dive into. They will sometimes need a nudge in the right direction, even if it is simply a direct link to the relevant portion of documentation." CreationDate="2013-07-21T23:45:08.267" UserId="47798" />
  <row Id="10922" PostId="5668" Score="0" Text="I may post a question later, but I'm in a rush.. I just got the same review audit twice, with only 5 or 6 real reviews in between." CreationDate="2013-07-18T06:55:31.970" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10923" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5449/will-should-serverfault-be-dropping-the-networking-support-in-the-upcoming-fut" CreationDate="2013-07-18T13:57:52.223" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10925" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="Also, http://meta.networkengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/51 has a lot more discussion." CreationDate="2013-07-18T15:41:34.837" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10927" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="Actually, in the last podcast NE was being spun as a spinoff from SF - make of that what you will." CreationDate="2013-07-18T15:45:49.140" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10930" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="And another thing - our scope is immense out $targetAudience is tiny though." CreationDate="2013-07-18T15:57:49.500" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10939" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="@Iain Link? (filler)" CreationDate="2013-07-18T20:11:50.653" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10940" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS: https://soundcloud.com/stack-exchange/stack-exchange-podcast-48 about 49:30 'it's a subset of SF and a spin off ...'" CreationDate="2013-07-19T06:37:04.637" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10950" PostId="5669" Score="2" Text="It seems like network engineering permits much more broad (design) questions, which is great. Sadly, it would never work for ServerFault, being as broad as it is. Imagine the flood of &quot;help me design my VPS web service to host millions of users&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-19T11:09:48.903" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="10983" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="I have to agree.  I used to use ServerFault, and now I'm not sure if I should post my iptables question on UNIX/Linux or Ubuntu or ServerFault or IT Security or NetworkEngineering... So I just don't." CreationDate="2013-07-19T18:23:25.517" UserId="35232" />
  <row Id="10924" PostId="5670" Score="0" Text="People have been complaining about the review audits since they were implemented. I haven't seen any changes, so I'd assume nobody is working on it right now, and there's a reasonable chance the whole system will be scrapped eventually." CreationDate="2013-07-18T15:36:42.023" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10926" PostId="5670" Score="1" Text="@ChrisS: Someone is doing something http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5598/inadequate-review-audit-test" CreationDate="2013-07-18T15:43:28.427" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10929" PostId="5670" Score="0" Text="@Iain Missed that - thanks for pointing it out!" CreationDate="2013-07-18T15:51:21.650" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10928" PostId="5671" Score="7" Text="All of the moderators on [SF] are quite intelligent. At least the mods refrain from publicly insulting people they don't know. We almost always provide feedback, and it's almost always ignored. Trying to goad people into providing answers with &quot;prove me wrong&quot; is childish. Provide a question that make people want to answer and you'll find plenty of people willing to step up. [SF] is not &quot;Helpdesk for the Internet&quot;, which is apparently what you treat it as. It is for and by Administrative IT Pros." CreationDate="2013-07-18T15:46:20.583" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10931" PostId="5671" Score="0" Text="I was not questioning the intelligence, only the approaches. Over the last 2-3 years I got lots of close votes or comment complaining about off-topic. This happened only on SF, not on the other sites." CreationDate="2013-07-18T16:14:41.130" UserId="10361" />
  <row Id="10932" PostId="5671" Score="0" Text="Regarding feedback: in 2/3 cases I observed closing votes in less than 2 hours from the original posting. In most cases a questions could be updated to better fit the recomandations. Still, if you close the question before allowing the author to update the question, you will end-up frustrating a user and giving a less than desired overall experience." CreationDate="2013-07-18T16:19:04.237" UserId="10361" />
  <row Id="10933" PostId="5671" Score="0" Text="I am just wondering why this happened to me only on SE and not on the other sites. While on the other sites, where most people were kind to provide answers or even partial insigh when they didn't have an answer, here I oversered more some kind of agressive policing practice." CreationDate="2013-07-18T16:19:57.017" UserId="10361" />
  <row Id="10934" PostId="5671" Score="6" Text="@SorinSbarnea - with regards to [your question](http://serverfault.com/questions/524383/how-to-tunnel-teamviewer-so-it-will-bypass-corporate-firewall) which got closed. You have to understand - the target users of SF are the very people who are responsible for implementing and maintaining the **exact** restrictions you were trying to circumvent. Even if you have a business need for that, it's still inappropriate to circumvent policy, and you won't be getting any help from us in doing so." CreationDate="2013-07-18T16:40:56.207" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="10935" PostId="5671" Score="0" Text="@EEAA Nobody said that this would be agains any policy. Passing a Firewall is not a crime, unless there a policy that forbids you from doing this. Firewall are in place for different reasons, not to block everyone but usually specific usages and especially to assure security breaches. While you can expect that using something la TeamViewer by a normal user could be dangereus (as could provide a new point of entrance for someone), you cannot say the same about people that do need to use it for providing support for others from outside (outgoing  access)." CreationDate="2013-07-18T17:27:20.587" UserId="10361" />
  <row Id="10936" PostId="5671" Score="4" Text="@SorinSbarnea - No one said this was a crime. There are firewall restrictions in place that prohibit the traffic. By definition, it's against policy. Again, request a firewall rule exemption if you have a business case for this. Then you don't need to worry about getting around the firewall rules." CreationDate="2013-07-18T18:02:19.260" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="10937" PostId="5671" Score="3" Text="I don't know how &quot;instead of using their brains&quot; can be anything but questioning intelligence. Over the last 2-3 year you've asked a lot of borderline off-topic Questions, so getting many close votes and complaints seems appropriate. SF has a limited audience, most SE sites do not. Also, this is SF, we're part of SE, but you really can't use those acronyms interchangeable. We like to close Questions that are off-topic quickly, 2 hours seems rather slow to me." CreationDate="2013-07-18T20:07:12.320" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="10938" PostId="5671" Score="5" Text="&quot;In most cases a questions could be updated to better fit the recomandations&quot; - the author rarely does. Anyone can edit a closed/on-hold question, and flag to have it re-opened. I have left thousands of comments stating that. I have received less than a dozen flags though. If the author isn't willing to put minimal effort into making their question acceptable: 1. they will likely never contribute to the community as a whole (either in asking good question or giving good answers). 2. expecting people to put more effort the solution than the OP did the Question is unfair to our contributors." CreationDate="2013-07-18T20:10:56.913" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11587" PostId="5671" Score="0" Text="Calling the opps of Server Fault bullies is like calling the sky blue." CreationDate="2013-09-09T03:44:18.980" UserId="18822" />
  <row Id="10941" PostId="5672" Score="0" Text="What's your URL? The question is opening for me quite fine." CreationDate="2013-07-19T07:01:11.997" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="10994" PostId="5672" Score="0" Text="@Michael hampton shocked to see -3 votes even after status no repro tag is my question wrong?" CreationDate="2013-07-20T07:21:45.700" UserId="167850" />
  <row Id="10995" PostId="5672" Score="0" Text="Downvotes on meta merely indicate _disagreement_ with the question or answer. So I presume that the downvotes are because the problem is not occurring for the people who downvoted." CreationDate="2013-07-20T07:24:18.457" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10942" PostId="5673" Score="0" Text="at the time of posting my question it doesnt worked ,so i posted over here,thanks for correcting it" CreationDate="2013-07-19T07:10:17.520" UserId="167850" />
  <row Id="10945" PostId="5676" Score="5" Text="Once you edit your question, it gets bumped to the top of the front page. If you question is on hold, and it is edited, it also gets added to the re-open queue." CreationDate="2013-07-19T10:30:31.033" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="10946" PostId="5676" Score="1" Text="What exactly did the message about being banned from asking questions say it doesn't look like you'd be banned on quality grounds? You can add a [bounty](http://serverfault.com/help/no-one-answers) to your question to get more interest in it. Read the tooltip on the downvote for an explanation of the downvotes too." CreationDate="2013-07-19T10:49:53.497" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10948" PostId="5676" Score="3" Text="Make it interesting and answerable, follow the advice in help but ultimately there's no SLA here, if nobody can or wants to answer your question then 'promoting it' will only get you hated as it'd be a form of spam at the point." CreationDate="2013-07-19T10:58:50.693" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="10949" PostId="5676" Score="2" Text="Add a bounty to your question if you want more interest..." CreationDate="2013-07-19T11:06:26.890" UserId="144990" />
  <row Id="10951" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="@Iain He does have a longs string of questions with no upvotes, that might be enough." CreationDate="2013-07-19T14:08:24.193" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10952" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="@Ward: No, I don't think so. I think you have to actively negatively voted somewhat - don't forget how `pink &amp; fluffy` SE is." CreationDate="2013-07-19T14:25:37.610" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10954" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="Two more down votes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fantastic!" CreationDate="2013-07-19T14:40:52.030" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="10955" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="Thanks #tombull89 that was helpful." CreationDate="2013-07-19T14:41:13.250" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="10957" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="Amazing how the majority of you guys completely missed the point of the discussion." CreationDate="2013-07-19T14:48:36.250" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="10966" PostId="5676" Score="4" Text="@Jacques: If lots of people missed the point of your question then perhaps (just perhaps) there is a problem with the question." CreationDate="2013-07-19T15:46:58.633" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11095" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="@Iain The point of the question was to try and improve my questions 'without' re-posting them since that would clog up SF. The point I made about improving SF came from the fact that i saw a bulletin somewhere on this site talking about improving the content. &#xA;tombull89 answered the question perfectly though." CreationDate="2013-08-02T14:27:43.590" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="10980" PostId="5677" Score="0" Text="Jacques - from the questions you've asked on SF, it seems that you're not an IT admin. Is that the case?" CreationDate="2013-07-19T17:00:48.973" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="10947" PostId="5678" Score="4" Text="+1 on the checking in.. Who are going to answer questions if everyone just wants answers on their own questions?" CreationDate="2013-07-19T10:58:15.237" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="10964" PostId="5678" Score="5" Text="+1 for checking in. Stack Exchange is not a magical free answer machine: it only works because of user participation and [the pay it forward principle](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/how-to-answer). If you just want an answer to your question without all the meddlesome &quot;community&quot; stuff you can find consultants on http://careers.stackoverflow.com" CreationDate="2013-07-19T15:09:39.403" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10956" PostId="5679" Score="0" Text="#Iain, I've read many of these help topics, tips and tricks about asking questions. In fact I've read them on this and a few of the other StackExchange sites that I use. None of them explains why I was booted. The question was valid. In fact when someone eventually linked the question to another similar question it then made a lot of sense. However, it was down voted before someone made that connection. Again, no explanation as to why that person thought it a bad example of a good question!" CreationDate="2013-07-19T14:46:42.680" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="10963" PostId="5679" Score="0" Text="@Jacques: How have you been booted ? Like I said earlier in my comment on your question, read the tooltips on the voting arrows.I didn't DV your question but for me your question fails the 'Shows research' stanza. I disagree that it's a good question too." CreationDate="2013-07-19T15:08:01.460" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11092" PostId="5679" Score="0" Text="I've been booted because I can no longer ask questions!" CreationDate="2013-08-02T14:02:10.430" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="10953" PostId="5680" Score="0" Text="#Ward, this just gives guys like #chopper3 the ability to down vote as 'they' see fit. To my mind the question was fine. I've read through some of your 'how to ask a question' documentation. This specific thread is something that I'm actively investigating and have posts running on other threads. Look this very question that I asked. It's been down voted.... By who? Why?" CreationDate="2013-07-19T14:40:27.403" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="10958" PostId="5680" Score="2" Text="Well yes, the idea of reputation and voting is that people with enough rep *can* downvote as they see fit. Or upvote, for that matter. You can take the votes personally and stand behind &quot;in my mind the question was fine&quot; and learn nothing, *or* you can think &quot;Maybe the votes are a comment on the question itself. Hmmm what's this text that pops up if I hover my cursor over a down arrow. Let me look at my question again from that point of view...&quot; and learn something." CreationDate="2013-07-19T14:50:29.150" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="10959" PostId="5680" Score="3" Text="Atually, the people who run SE have repeatedly stated that anyone can downvote &quot;as they see fit.&quot;  That's how it works.  The fact that you have multiple questions going about the same situation with discussion and clarification happening in comments is not the way SF (or any SE site) is intended to be used, so that makes them &quot;bad&quot; questions.  Finally, votes on any meta site on SE are different: they mean &quot;I disagree with your idea,&quot; or &quot;I don't think your concern is valid.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-19T14:50:41.340" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11098" PostId="5680" Score="0" Text="@Ward... when you hover over the down vote button both on Meta and SF the same generic message appears, not useful. Perhaps you could point to the FAQ or documentation that explains what votes mean on the META site? &#xA;You can download as you see fit yes, but if I'm going to down vote someone I'd at least like to explain why. Yes you can do this in comments if you'd like, but I kind of like the approach the site has for flagging where it gives you a bunch of predefined answers to at least guide the user in the right direction." CreationDate="2013-08-02T14:42:12.723" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="11099" PostId="5680" Score="0" Text="@Jacques Click on the help link at the top of any Meta page, the second section of the Help page is &quot;Voting is different on Meta&quot;" CreationDate="2013-08-02T14:44:12.967" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11100" PostId="5680" Score="0" Text="@RobM The message that pops up over the down button is generic it seems because it's the same in this post as it is in SF. And, the fact that I came to the Meta site was me trying to learn more after reading the FAQs and such." CreationDate="2013-08-02T14:45:42.143" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="11101" PostId="5680" Score="0" Text="@Ward thanks I've just read through it and will keep that in mind." CreationDate="2013-08-02T14:47:13.353" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="10965" PostId="5681" Score="3" Text="Doing sensible things is apparently *incredible* hard for [SE]. They are all about making the site more useless. This custom close reason is a prime example: I want to close-vote crap as fast as possible and having to write something prevents me from doing this." CreationDate="2013-07-19T15:23:05.443" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10971" PostId="5681" Score="2" Text="Please go upvote http://stackapps.com/a/4235/1150 then the pro-forma comments author may help out." CreationDate="2013-07-19T15:59:18.007" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10985" PostId="5681" Score="0" Text="I've already [reported this on mSO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/185942/189912) some time ago." CreationDate="2013-07-19T18:34:41.047" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10992" PostId="5681" Score="0" Text="@svw - I don't have a problem with it slowing people down. Forces you to think about what you're doing rather than slinging indescriminantly, and gives the OP a much greater chance of identifying the problem and fixing it next time." CreationDate="2013-07-19T23:49:37.643" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="10982" PostId="5682" Score="0" Text="Simple way to get negative sympathy points: Complain about a free service not working the way you want it to, then complain about other people not putting in effort to make it work the way you want." CreationDate="2013-07-19T17:51:03.393" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11096" PostId="5682" Score="0" Text="@Ward sympathy? complain about a free service? What the hell are you talking about? half of my question was about 'positively' adding to SF by getting valid interest in my questions without having to resort to re-asking questions (I saw the bulletin about improving content on SF which brought me to the Meta section of the site which I've never used before)." CreationDate="2013-08-02T14:32:08.513" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="11097" PostId="5682" Score="1" Text="@Jacques People are giving you advice...  if you want to improve things, you should *read* the advice.  What I'm talking about in my comment is in reference to something voretaq7 says in this answer." CreationDate="2013-08-02T14:41:49.333" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11102" PostId="5682" Score="0" Text="@Ward Explain to me how you thought I wasn't 'reading' the advice people were giving? &#xA;...something voretaq7 says in this answer. What? Read your comment again and tell me how that was constructive?" CreationDate="2013-08-02T14:52:48.093" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="11104" PostId="5682" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 you must deal with a lot of people that you seriously dislike, because you just took a constructive question and turned it into &quot;Complaining about a free service...&quot;. So basically you're saying that constructive input is discouraged? &#xA;I've read about the Quality Ban and took advice from it. Came to the META site due to a bulletin I saw on SF looking to improve content. &#xA;I've been on Stack for three years... I've never been banned from asking questions on Stack. Different rules perhaps? &#xA;Lastly, you took quite a bit of time to describe  what tombull89 explained in one sentence. Why?" CreationDate="2013-08-02T15:01:52.457" UserId="50047" />
  <row Id="10968" PostId="5683" Score="0" Text="If someone who has GM skills could some up with a way to populate and select pro-forma close reasons I could run with that..." CreationDate="2013-07-19T15:51:49.463" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="10969" PostId="5683" Score="0" Text="So it is, my bad. Point still stands though." CreationDate="2013-07-19T15:57:25.797" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10970" PostId="5683" Score="0" Text="I found that using something like TextExpander (whatever is available on your desktop platform) is much easier for this task. I've a row of sf*xxx* macros that get autoexpanded into text." CreationDate="2013-07-19T15:57:29.953" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10974" PostId="5683" Score="0" Text="Updated question to correct my mistake." CreationDate="2013-07-19T16:22:16.610" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="10967" PostId="5684" Score="3" Text="I would like to have a simple &quot;is off-topic&quot; close reason which auto generates a link to the topic list of the help center, somewhat like the &quot;duplicate&quot; works." CreationDate="2013-07-19T15:51:32.730" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10981" PostId="5684" Score="2" Text="Gee, wasn't there a time when we had a simple off-topic close reason?  I guess some meddling moron took it away..." CreationDate="2013-07-19T17:42:57.343" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="10975" PostId="5685" Score="0" Text="Flag it and explain. If the mod handling that flag agrees, he will migrate." CreationDate="2013-07-19T16:33:09.603" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10976" PostId="5685" Score="0" Text="I don't see a &quot;flag&quot; option." CreationDate="2013-07-19T16:40:26.430" UserId="161744" />
  <row Id="10977" PostId="5685" Score="0" Text="I can't either, sorry about that. Must be related to the lock.  Anyway, a mod certainly will see the question here and chime in." CreationDate="2013-07-19T16:42:52.047" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="10978" PostId="5685" Score="0" Text="Won't it be a dupe of [this](http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/5813/am-i-wrong-to-believe-that-passwords-should-never-be-recoverable-one-way-hash) question if it gets migrated?" CreationDate="2013-07-19T16:44:15.137" UserId="130858" />
  <row Id="10979" PostId="5685" Score="1" Text="It's true that they are similar- however my question is focusing on what action we need to take (if any), given that they know our users' passwords. I am trying to establish if I am right in considering it a valid reason to change provider- or if that practice is so ubiquitous among cheaper web hosts that we may as well stay with them." CreationDate="2013-07-19T16:48:05.210" UserId="161744" />
  <row Id="10984" PostId="5687" Score="0" Text="...so I suppose you'll be wanting beer or something as a reward, huh? :P" CreationDate="2013-07-19T18:32:28.830" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="10986" PostId="5687" Score="2" Text="See also http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/185942/189912" CreationDate="2013-07-19T18:35:41.160" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="10987" PostId="5687" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 I'm thinking if I should start accepting bitcoin donations ;)" CreationDate="2013-07-19T18:37:18.540" UserId="34614" />
  <row Id="10988" PostId="5688" Score="0" Text="Thanks for reviewing the lock- more quality answers are sure to follow." CreationDate="2013-07-19T18:43:44.143" UserId="161744" />
  <row Id="10991" PostId="5689" Score="0" Text="Do try to keep up, 007!" CreationDate="2013-07-19T22:14:05.257" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11017" PostId="5689" Score="0" Text="The election information is displayed on the &quot;main&quot; site but as you point out it does not work on the &quot;meta&quot; site." CreationDate="2013-07-23T19:03:40.053" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="11021" PostId="5689" Score="0" Text="@ward [Please ask a new question.](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/5697/126632) That confused at least one person..." CreationDate="2013-07-24T03:51:23.060" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11016" PostId="5690" Score="0" Text="NOTE: The elected date does NOT appear in the meta SF site which is what the original question displayed....BTW" CreationDate="2013-07-23T19:01:34.370" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="11018" PostId="5690" Score="0" Text="@mdpc The original question did not reference meta at all." CreationDate="2013-07-23T19:42:25.330" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11019" PostId="5690" Score="0" Text="I suggest you examine the display capture with this question and compare it to the display capture with your answer." CreationDate="2013-07-23T19:47:04.367" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="11020" PostId="5690" Score="0" Text="@mdpc And I suggest you examine the revision history of the question." CreationDate="2013-07-23T19:47:25.927" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11023" PostId="5703" Score="0" Text="The serverfault moderators get to decide whether a site approved via Area51 gets to live or not? This is quite new to me." CreationDate="2013-07-24T11:11:39.187" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="11024" PostId="5703" Score="0" Text="One has to be the one to decide in order to have an opinion? This is quite new to me." CreationDate="2013-07-24T11:23:34.153" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="11025" PostId="5703" Score="0" Text="One has to be the one to have to be the one to decide to have an opinion? This is quite new to me." CreationDate="2013-07-24T11:32:04.020" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="11026" PostId="5703" Score="2" Text="You guys are weird, but the point that Tom was making @pauska is that beta sites aren't really mentioned on graduated sites. That way, if they fail, SE doesn't have to track down all of the references to the dead site." CreationDate="2013-07-24T11:34:59.833" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11027" PostId="5703" Score="0" Text="@JennyD You're extremely narrow-sighted if you didn't understand why I reacted to a elected mod expressing his opinion on a user-voted site in a an answer to a specific request about the site on a meta thread. But ok, whatever floats your boat :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-24T11:35:25.033" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="11028" PostId="5703" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra I have no problem accepting that. It's just the snark between that doesn't belong here, especially not from a moderator." CreationDate="2013-07-24T11:41:19.823" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="11029" PostId="5703" Score="7" Text="I genuinely don't know whether NE.se adds more to the network than it takes away from SF." CreationDate="2013-07-24T12:01:01.857" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="11031" PostId="5703" Score="1" Text="@Pauska If you react to something you dislike with snark, don't be surprised if your snark is met with more snark. Had you originally written the thing about &quot;elected mod expressing...&quot;, I probably would not have even commented." CreationDate="2013-07-24T15:30:50.493" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="11032" PostId="5703" Score="3" Text="I didn't realise that I wasn't allowed an opinion any more." CreationDate="2013-07-24T15:38:41.570" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="11033" PostId="5703" Score="3" Text="Can we just all hold hands and sing Kumbaya?" CreationDate="2013-07-24T17:21:13.317" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11030" PostId="5706" Score="2" Text="I see, secret sauce again. I want stackexchangeleaks.org now!" CreationDate="2013-07-24T14:48:20.593" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11034" PostId="5707" Score="0" Text="There's just so many possible answers and many many different types of DDoS...it'd be impossible to cover them all on SF imo." CreationDate="2013-07-25T01:51:28.000" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="11035" PostId="5707" Score="4" Text="@NathanC - I think the answer to the question would be a &quot;Don't ask here - contact your upstream provider. If you *are* the upstream provider, then wtf are you doing asking here&quot; sort of thing" CreationDate="2013-07-25T02:04:26.593" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11036" PostId="5708" Score="5" Text="Have you seen our favourite canonical on [Licensing](http://serverfault.com/questions/215405/can-you-help-me-with-my-software-licensing-issue)? Basically the answer is &quot;Go ask somewhere else&quot;, and it gives a convenient place to point all the questions to so that we don't just dump them out in the cold" CreationDate="2013-07-25T02:11:37.097" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11037" PostId="5709" Score="0" Text="FWIW, I'm not a fan of those close reasons for the issues you have cited here." CreationDate="2013-07-25T04:03:24.980" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11039" PostId="5710" Score="0" Text="Makes sense, especially the &quot;languish&quot; part.  I can see a good reason to migrate being if the question would have lasting value for future visitors as well, even if the OP never bothers to come back and accept the answer after migration." CreationDate="2013-07-25T12:56:41.023" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11040" PostId="5710" Score="0" Text="+1 -- the &quot;You should ask on&quot; close reasons are certainly not ideal (they will probably go away), but migrating has its own problems." CreationDate="2013-07-25T14:58:27.147" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11043" PostId="5710" Score="1" Text="Accepted - and the question is pretty irrelevant now with the new close reasons set." CreationDate="2013-07-25T19:48:24.000" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11045" PostId="5715" Score="0" Text="'so they don't have to run authentication services themselves' ... of course we are also an OpenID provider now ... :)" CreationDate="2013-07-25T22:46:19.113" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="11046" PostId="5715" Score="2" Text="@Zypher Yeah but that's new. When y'all were a scrappy startup, you didn't have one." CreationDate="2013-07-25T23:11:59.017" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="11080" PostId="5715" Score="0" Text="After using my Yahoo to login to unix.stackexchange for the first time, I am getting a lot of email sent/spoofed from my yahoo address." CreationDate="2013-07-26T15:44:14.017" UserDisplayName="user160910" />
  <row Id="11060" PostId="5716" Score="7" Text="I'm one of the 5 that voted to close that, but ticked the wrong radio box. I meant to close it as a product rec. That said, I've also voted to reopen after reading this and re-reading the question. There's a lot of garbage on the site lately and I think some of us have been a little trigger-happy lately. Sorry about that." CreationDate="2013-07-26T02:16:14.577" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11047" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="Please kindly provide a duckduckgo link which has the &quot;tons&quot; of tools that you're referring to." CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:28:15.853" UserId="110020" />
  <row Id="11049" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="The original answer, to my comment of which you're referring, was basically just a link to one such tool, without any kind of basic info on how to use it in a simple way that fits the question, and it originally even contained information that was outright wrong.  I believe it is an SE policy that a link is not an answer.  The answer has since been amended, and is now quite satisfactory." CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:31:19.210" UserId="110020" />
  <row Id="11053" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="@cnst Then, it's helpful to point out how to improve instead of saying &quot;it's plain wrong&quot;. Think about how you'd react if you saw someone respond to an answer like that you spent time researching." CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:49:53.220" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="11055" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="If you have no clue of the subject matter, why are you rushing to answer?  Also, I did actually point people out in the right direction, it's not exactly my fault that it fell on death ears: my explicit hints were missed by so many people that have, apparently, NEVER heard of BDP, yet thought they're qualified to answer a question on GigE internet (not LAN)." CreationDate="2013-07-26T01:13:24.043" UserId="110020" />
  <row Id="11056" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="By the way, [this](http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/download-accelerator-for-linux-command-line-tools.html) was the first result of a Google search. Terrible search engines don't count." CreationDate="2013-07-26T01:13:41.530" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="11057" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="And, BTW, are you kidding me?  This is my exact comment: **Completely false; you're limited by the network buffers of TCP on both ends in scenarios that involve real broadband connections. – cnst 7 hours ago**, to which you've trolled, **@cnst That's not correct. Slower links don't magically go faster because a bigger pipe said to. – Nathan C 7 hours ago**" CreationDate="2013-07-26T01:14:05.873" UserId="110020" />
  <row Id="11058" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="wow, thank you for showing more ignorance!  I'm still to receive the search phrase you've used that provides just so many different tools to choose from.  The whole point of duckduckgo, BTW, is that it doesn't give different answers to different users, and it's actually based on Google and Bing." CreationDate="2013-07-26T01:17:37.840" UserId="110020" />
  <row Id="11059" PostId="5717" Score="0" Text="@cnst [Here you go](https://www.google.com/#output=search&amp;sclient=psy-ab&amp;q=linux+multiple+download+tool&amp;oq=linux+multiple+download+tool&amp;gs_l=hp.12..33i29i30l4.591.591.0.1966.1.1.0.0.0.0.177.177.0j1.1.0....0.0..1c.1.20.psy-ab.AGCeBftQErk&amp;pbx=1&amp;bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&amp;bvm=bv.49784469%2Cd.dmg%2Cpv.xjs.s.en_US.MpiVkF51mpA.O&amp;fp=30ae1b1e5770a225&amp;biw=1920&amp;bih=965)" CreationDate="2013-07-26T01:18:24.487" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="11048" PostId="5718" Score="1" Text="[***Chuch!!!***](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chuch)" CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:31:03.730" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="11050" PostId="5718" Score="0" Text="Well, but none of the answers actually start telling me about BDP!" CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:33:44.797" UserId="110020" />
  <row Id="11051" PostId="5718" Score="0" Text="It's not a service recommendation question, it's a question on how to accomplish a certain task that is not being accomplished.  It's a pretty specific question." CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:34:51.397" UserId="110020" />
  <row Id="11052" PostId="5718" Score="2" Text="If you didn't mean it to be a request for a product recommendation, then you should edit it. It still appears to be exactly that." CreationDate="2013-07-26T00:35:44.277" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11054" PostId="5718" Score="0" Text="Michael, could you care to explain why my question is not within the &quot;Safe Harbour&quot; provisions of the Let's Go Shopping post you reference?  Also, even according to your first point, shouldn't every single answer then educate me about BDP?  If so, why not a single one does (and one of the 3 offtopic answers, by spuder, has just apparently been deleted, after receiving 2 negative votes).  The 75% of answers had nothing to do with the question, and the 25% answer was merely a comment, and not an actual answer, and you're surprised why I didn't act extra thankful for such bogus answers?" CreationDate="2013-07-26T01:06:09.500" UserId="110020" />
  <row Id="11061" PostId="5721" Score="0" Text="But the first new off-topic reason &quot;Questions must demonstrate a minimal understanding of the problem being solved. ...&quot; doesn't make sense - it can apply to a 100% perfectly on-topic question and it's largely a duplicate of &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-26T04:05:39.487" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11062" PostId="5721" Score="0" Text="Yes, I am not saying they are any good." CreationDate="2013-07-26T04:18:34.080" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11063" PostId="5721" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure how you could equate demonstrating a &quot;minimal understanding of the problem&quot; with a question that &quot;doesn't make sense&quot;. Could you explain that?" CreationDate="2013-07-26T04:22:15.243" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11064" PostId="5721" Score="0" Text="It doesn't, but they are likely to coincide." CreationDate="2013-07-26T04:24:44.890" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11072" PostId="5721" Score="0" Text="Sorry, I'm limited by rushing, and by the formatting and length limits of comments.  It doesn't make sense to call that an &quot;Off-Topic&quot; close reason because the topicality is orthogonal to whether the person understands what they're doing/asking.  It also doesn't make sense to have an off-topic close reason that is essentially the same as another close reason." CreationDate="2013-07-26T04:38:55.160" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11073" PostId="5721" Score="1" Text="I envision the &quot;minimal understanding&quot; close reason as really a better fit for &quot;You're not the sysadmin&quot; sort of situations (end users/home users seeking Level 1 Support), where &quot;Unclear what you're asking&quot; is for someone who is at (least supposed to be) a sysadmin but just wrote an awful question. -- Of course that leaves it overlapping with the &quot;relevant to professional system administration&quot; close reason to some extent.  It's entirely possible (in fact probable) that these reasons will change again." CreationDate="2013-07-26T04:39:40.560" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11074" PostId="5721" Score="1" Text="Change again?  gahh.  I think I'm just gonna stick with deleting the off-topic comment down to &quot;This question appears to be off-topic&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-26T04:41:52.577" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11075" PostId="5721" Score="1" Text="@Ward I definitely agree about calling some of these &quot;off topic&quot; close reasons being dumb - unfortunately the custom close reasons are all in the &quot;off topic&quot; bucket (I blame developers). Ideally we'd be able to add top-level close reasons, but that would break the 5-items-in-a-list rule" CreationDate="2013-07-26T04:42:15.913" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11076" PostId="5721" Score="0" Text="@ward SE wouldn't let us use &quot;too stupid to live&quot; as a close reason; that's the best we could do. If you have a better idea, I'm all ears..." CreationDate="2013-07-26T06:33:53.990" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11077" PostId="5721" Score="0" Text="It's not that I have better ideas in mind, but putting dramatically different close reasons in place without giving at least some guidelines on how they're intended to be used is a mistake.  Not everyone who votes to close participated in the discussion of the new reasons (I didn't, obviously), so it would be nice to have something that explains the changes.  It seems like a perfect task for... I dunno, maybe a Community Coordinator?" CreationDate="2013-07-26T06:42:30.160" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11078" PostId="5721" Score="0" Text="Aarthi is no longer with us. We're on our own ..." CreationDate="2013-07-26T06:50:01.233" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11079" PostId="5721" Score="1" Text="What about the new ones who popped in?  Grace Note and the other guy?  Or were they trying to create a new oxymoron - &quot;We're from SE and we're here to help?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-07-26T07:03:18.107" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11065" PostId="5722" Score="3" Text="I remember finding &quot;Who moved my cheese&quot; atrocious." CreationDate="2013-07-26T04:25:31.533" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11066" PostId="5722" Score="1" Text="I suffered through books, videos, and training seminars on &quot;Who moved my cheese&quot;, I still don't like it, but it's a fun reference anyway." CreationDate="2013-07-26T04:26:45.573" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11067" PostId="5722" Score="0" Text="If SE is allowing on-the-fly changes to something fairly significant like close reasons, they should ensure that the changes are communicated to the community - I don't see it as your (mods) job." CreationDate="2013-07-26T04:29:27.423" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11068" PostId="5722" Score="1" Text="It's been on the Community Bulleting (right side of every &quot;normal&quot; page on Server Fault) for a whole month. How much more communication do you want?" CreationDate="2013-07-26T04:31:31.030" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11069" PostId="5722" Score="0" Text="And the linked post is totally inadequate as far as communicating the change: you have to wade through the whole thing and decipher it - there's no summary that says &quot;here are the new off-topic reasons, here's what they mean, here's the type of question they'd be appropriate for.&quot;  Again, I see this as SE's job, not the mods." CreationDate="2013-07-26T04:32:15.857" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11070" PostId="5722" Score="0" Text="Sure, great, there's a link to &quot;New close reasons - proposals&quot;  Doesn't matter how long it's been there, it's not a useful resource for understanding the new reasons." CreationDate="2013-07-26T04:33:48.987" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11071" PostId="5722" Score="1" Text="@Ward The specific instructions we (mods) get re: the custom close reasons are `With great power comes great responsibility. Use sparingly and only in consultation with the community.` - Hence the &quot;New Close Reasons - Proposals&quot; discussion (I do plan to write up some guidance for the new reasons and tack it onto that post as the accepted answer along with the rationale behind the cleanups/refitting -- hopefully tomorrow unless someone gets to it before I do)" CreationDate="2013-07-26T04:33:53.570" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11091" PostId="5727" Score="0" Text="This seems sensible - there are currently 162 questions tagged with [tag:hosts]. If you untag all the ones that shouldn't have [tag:hosts-file] and let me know I'll create the alias (Otherwise this goes on the pile of &quot;when someone gets around to it&quot; -- that's a [big pile](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3042/the-bad-tag-collection) around here, but it's a relatively small number of questions so it may get done sooner rather than later." CreationDate="2013-07-29T15:18:15.610" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11082" PostId="5728" Score="1" Text="The TL;DR version: Don't worry about it, we know, you aren't penalized." CreationDate="2013-07-27T02:08:00.423" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11083" PostId="5728" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I realize that.  I just thought that this particular audit stood out as being slightly odd." CreationDate="2013-07-27T02:10:10.203" UserId="27515" />
  <row Id="11084" PostId="5728" Score="0" Text="But no worries." CreationDate="2013-07-27T02:10:49.707" UserId="27515" />
  <row Id="11085" PostId="5728" Score="0" Text="It *feels* like about a third of the audits are bad. Given that they must assume that still open questions are good examples we're more likely simply missing things that *are* closable." CreationDate="2013-07-27T02:21:53.707" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="11086" PostId="5728" Score="0" Text="Hey, it was upvoted to +5.." CreationDate="2013-07-27T02:35:12.167" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11089" PostId="5728" Score="0" Text="It happens to everyone, like me: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5502/who-chooses-the-questions-for-review-audit-i-failed-a-highly-debatable-one" CreationDate="2013-07-28T21:08:23.863" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="11090" PostId="5735" Score="0" Text="Moreover: [The Death of Meta Tags](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/08/the-death-of-meta-tags/)" CreationDate="2013-07-29T00:42:36.257" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="11112" PostId="5737" Score="1" Text="I wasn't the first http://serverfault.com/users?tab=reputation&amp;filter=all&amp;search=iain" CreationDate="2013-08-02T19:14:39.030" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11108" PostId="5738" Score="0" Text="Well, I live and learn." CreationDate="2013-08-02T18:57:29.657" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="11115" PostId="5738" Score="4" Text="*changes name to voretaq7*" CreationDate="2013-08-02T19:20:54.050" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="11109" PostId="5739" Score="5" Text="Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?" CreationDate="2013-08-02T19:06:20.847" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11110" PostId="5739" Score="4" Text="Caught in a landslide" CreationDate="2013-08-02T19:12:02.660" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11113" PostId="5739" Score="2" Text="No escape from the onslaught of questions that could've been answered with 60 seconds googling... sorry, wrong song?" CreationDate="2013-08-02T19:19:29.823" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="11114" PostId="5739" Score="4" Text="Doesn't really matter to me...." CreationDate="2013-08-02T19:19:52.500" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11119" PostId="5739" Score="1" Text="any way the users blow (up)." CreationDate="2013-08-02T19:29:35.237" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11133" PostId="5739" Score="1" Text="Because I'm easy come, easy go" CreationDate="2013-08-04T01:37:44.817" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11130" PostId="5740" Score="0" Text="I don't think this can easily be done in a user script; it would hit the API very hard and as a result run very slowly. Then it would get rate limited and fail..." CreationDate="2013-08-03T15:58:44.373" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11132" PostId="5740" Score="3" Text="Having some way of filtering the river of shit like this might make SF somewhere I would like to continue to contribute." CreationDate="2013-08-03T20:53:28.313" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11134" PostId="5742" Score="2" Text="Ignoring tags really doesn't do it for me. I want to answer question in tags but I would like some way for me to customise the view based on (for me) the rep someone has elsewhere. (for me) There is a high correlation between having more rep on SO than SF and an entirely crappy question." CreationDate="2013-08-04T21:23:54.553" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11135" PostId="5743" Score="0" Text="Yes, how to deal with a (D)DOS attack is topical for ServerFault [about] refers." CreationDate="2013-08-06T07:37:27.667" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11138" PostId="5744" Score="19" Text="Might be also worth noting that, year to date: traffic to the site is down, new users per day is down, new questions and answer are down, edits are down, voting is down - **every meaningful measurement of the site is down, except closed questions, that stat is up**." CreationDate="2013-08-06T13:19:02.543" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11140" PostId="5744" Score="5" Text="I'd welcome a site to support Q10, gladly.  It's one thing I actually enjoy doing." CreationDate="2013-08-06T13:38:57.660" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="11141" PostId="5744" Score="1" Text="http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/serverfault.com" CreationDate="2013-08-06T13:42:37.293" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11143" PostId="5744" Score="1" Text="@TheCleaner or anyone... what do those Alexa stats mean?  It shows SF, SU, and SO all having a big dip around the same time in 2013." CreationDate="2013-08-06T14:34:01.117" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11144" PostId="5744" Score="0" Text="@Ward: If you look at [quantcast](https://www.quantcast.com/serverfault.com#!traffic) it says the same thing for the sites. Something happened about March time to drive less traffic here. I particular global traffic from the look of it." CreationDate="2013-08-06T14:53:30.373" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11145" PostId="5744" Score="0" Text="The network-wide drop in traffic concerns me *slightly* less than the fact that closed questions has been elevated for a while now, and *didn't* drop with our traffic. To me that means either we're not reaching our target audience, we're doing something that's driving them away, or the flood-o-crap is driving them away." CreationDate="2013-08-06T15:09:37.500" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11147" PostId="5744" Score="2" Text="I think #5 is likely to be a non-starter (it won't solve the problem we're really trying to address: *new* professional users will still see a flood of crap and be put off by it).  #6 seems like a better route but we definitely need a better &quot;best of&quot; algorithm..." CreationDate="2013-08-06T15:30:01.870" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11148" PostId="5744" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7: We're definitely not reaching our target audience - most of our traffic comes from users with more rep on SO than anywhere else." CreationDate="2013-08-06T15:37:03.413" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11149" PostId="5744" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7: Having some way to filter the crap can only be a good thing. New people will hopefully find out about it real quick." CreationDate="2013-08-06T17:05:36.920" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11150" PostId="5744" Score="1" Text="@Iain If it's implemented as the &quot;Best Of&quot; view from #6 I think it's a sound idea - implementing it as a filter we (high-rep users) can apply to what we see is where I have issues. The SE model relies on smart people seeing and closing crap, and if we break that part of the model by blocking the crap from our view we'll be happy (no more crap!) but a new seasoned pro coming to the site will still see all the crap, think we're no better than Yahoo Answers, and leave." CreationDate="2013-08-06T17:35:46.067" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11151" PostId="5744" Score="3" Text="#8 is a great point. I'm guessing that was likely an unintended carry-over from other SE sites following the FAQ/Help Center redesign." CreationDate="2013-08-06T17:37:05.890" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11152" PostId="5744" Score="4" Text="@voretaq7: Whilst the model relies on smart people closing crap it also drives smart people away. Right now the model stops me from using /review because of the audits. It stops me from answering questions because I can't be bothered to sift through the shit. The model is wrong and needs to be fixed. Giving people the opportunity to filter the shit can only be a good thing." CreationDate="2013-08-06T17:44:25.883" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11153" PostId="5744" Score="2" Text="The drop in traffic is considered to be due to summer vacation: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/192130/why-did-sos-and-sfs-traffic-level-off" CreationDate="2013-08-06T17:45:03.043" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11270" PostId="5744" Score="5" Text="I personally think SF have made themselves too exclusive. SF is expected to provide assistance from those already in the know to those who are climbing the ladder, but it seems to me like a big boys club, which is unwelcoming and suspicious of, or even patronizing to lesser beings." CreationDate="2013-08-11T13:17:50.690" UserId="167972" />
  <row Id="11271" PostId="5744" Score="5" Text="I'm have been an IT pro since 1996. I program, use only Linux, manage servers and VPS's, make use of Tor, Bitcoin, IRC, etc, etc. My point is, that I still felt like maybe I have no right to post my server admin question on SF. I nearly posted it on Unix/Linux instead but just changed my mind because I wanted advice from a pro, not from a home user. My comment's meant to help you understand how some of us feel and not to pull you down." CreationDate="2013-08-11T13:23:36.107" UserId="167972" />
  <row Id="11272" PostId="5744" Score="2" Text="@PeterSnow 'I wanted advice from a pro' + 'seems to me like a big boys club' How do you reconcile this conflict?" CreationDate="2013-08-11T18:33:16.407" UserId="130858" />
  <row Id="11275" PostId="5744" Score="1" Text="The question also is: who's considered a sysadmin (&quot;Professional IT Administrator&quot;)? Someone with a business card saying so? Someone who's been in the job for 25 years+? What I'm saying is that a question from a junior sysadmin may sometimes seem stupid from the perspective of a senior one. Nevertheless, junior needs to learn. Even the senior guy probably sometimes needs to do new things where he/she'd ask &quot;stupid&quot; questions from the point of view of a specialist in that specific topic." CreationDate="2013-08-11T20:12:14.517" UserId="35054" />
  <row Id="11276" PostId="5744" Score="3" Text="@rtannerf By 'big boys' I meant, Intel, Oracle, etc. By 'pro' I'm referring to someone who works in the I.T. sector but not necessarily for a major player. Adding 'works for Intel', after a users name would just serve to make me feel even less like I belong here and I'm already decidedly uncomfortable, but I don't have these feelings on StackOverflow. Personally, I believe that 'Super User', 'Server Fault' &amp; 'Unix &amp; Linux' should all be merged. StackOverflow could be split up similarly - good thing it's not." CreationDate="2013-08-12T01:16:10.360" UserId="167972" />
  <row Id="11281" PostId="5744" Score="1" Text="Love @PeterSnow comments here. He is on the right track. Waiting for the typical condescending SF club to shame him out of the room like they do to most new users." CreationDate="2013-08-13T17:25:56.733" UserId="100695" />
  <row Id="11283" PostId="5744" Score="6" Text="I totally follow Peter @Tim - but it's not like we TRY to be condescending - but for those of us who do a very large portion of the answering and cleanup of poor questions there's just way TOO much stuff where the new user hasn't even bothered to read the stuff that's right in front of them when they ask. Don't you think it's rude to ask a question on a site without reading and understanding what it's about? we get it dozens of times a day, maybe you don't see them all - because we clean it up for you. Yes we angry with people, but it's just out of tiredness from trying to do good." CreationDate="2013-08-13T18:05:22.160" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11357" PostId="5744" Score="3" Text="**What I'm saying is that a question from a junior sysadmin may sometimes seem stupid from the perspective of a senior one.** I get that @Marki - My personal feeling about the &quot;IT Professional&quot; standard for questions here is that it should refer to the quality of the question asked, not its level or the abilities or experience of the person asking it. A good thoughtful question is welcome no matter what level its asked at and 'senior' sysadmins are capable of asking bad questions. For me, it's the questions, not the person asking them." CreationDate="2013-08-14T13:01:27.063" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11358" PostId="5744" Score="4" Text="@PeterSnow with regards to merging some of the sites, while I think most of us (and many superuser people) would disagree about merging superuser with this site, we've actually shared and expressed similar concerns about the subdivisions in the stack exchange sites. If you think having us and/or superuser separated from Unix and Linux is crazy/confusing enough, remember there's also Ask Ubuntu and a networking-only site in stack exchange too. While the intentions behind these divisions were good, it all add to the burden of trying to find the right place to ask a question imho." CreationDate="2013-08-14T13:06:26.537" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11359" PostId="5744" Score="2" Text="@Tim Keep waiting." CreationDate="2013-08-14T13:26:20.627" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11136" PostId="5745" Score="4" Text="I couldn't have put that better myself - perhaps we need a close answer that's not just a short few words but explains it in much clearer detail - that was if they bitch about it afterwards we just point them to the text that will be included after the question - just a thought." CreationDate="2013-08-06T13:17:48.340" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11137" PostId="5745" Score="0" Text="Yes we can try and set peoples expectations of what the site will and won't do for them but if they refuse to listen then there's not much we can do. I honestly don't know if these people are just ignorant or if they're certain it must be really easy to do *everything* and we're just keeping secrets." CreationDate="2013-08-06T13:18:46.253" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11139" PostId="5745" Score="0" Text="@RobM I'm very certain it's a punch-drunk combination of both, especially the latter." CreationDate="2013-08-06T13:20:47.143" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11142" PostId="5745" Score="0" Text="It'll be the same people who ask you to do something that they have no idea about and say &quot;It should only take you a few minutes&quot;" CreationDate="2013-08-06T13:42:48.903" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="11146" PostId="5745" Score="11" Text="I *REALLY* need to get off my ass and write a version of this for Server Fault newbies: http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/05/31/an-open-letter-to-science-students-and-science-teachers/" CreationDate="2013-08-06T15:27:50.500" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11183" PostId="5745" Score="4" Text="But @Chris S, _it is mean_. This is a site that is open to the public, ranks very high on google searches, and allows anyone who has mastered having a Google or Facebook account to become a site member. It has to be understood that _most_ people who visit this site, specially new users, may not come in with the same perception of the site that existing members have. And they may not find the site initially from a page with a convenient site manifesto for them to read." CreationDate="2013-08-07T17:58:58.597" UserId="18640" />
  <row Id="11184" PostId="5745" Score="6" Text="@Goblyn27 - that's right, many DO find us very easily - but few of those seem to pick up on the fairly-heavy-but-clearly-not-heavy-enough notices that do, if read, clearly state this site is for experienced pro's who do their homework first and are capable of expressing their question with sufficient detail. There's a disconnect - and that's to do with making those sign even clearer - because however much people want the site to be a free-for-all...it never was, isn't now and never will be - by design." CreationDate="2013-08-07T18:27:16.107" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11185" PostId="5745" Score="5" Text="@Goblyn27 The first time a new user hits the front page they're greeted with &quot;Server Fault is a question and answer site for professional system and network administrators.&quot; in a big box at the top. Everyone who asks a question gets a big blue box saying &quot;Is your question about professional server, networking, or related infrastructure administration?&quot; with links to more guidance. You almost have to try to ignore these. We're much more sympathetic to misguided Answers, there's little warning there. Maybe we need the &quot;Ask Question&quot; warning to blink bright colors or something..." CreationDate="2013-08-07T18:51:45.270" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11186" PostId="5745" Score="9" Text="**And they may not find the site initially from a page with a convenient site manifesto for them to read.** @Goblyn27 - go to the site as an anonymous, not signed in, person. Click &quot;Ask Question&quot;. See that whole page of stuff that comes up? Scroll down and click &quot;Ask Question&quot; again. Look at the big blue box to the side of the text box that users type their questions in to. I'd agree that the site might need to do even better in how it sells itself but equally, if someone manages to ignore all that stuff I described as already there then they're being at least *slightly* wilfully ignorant." CreationDate="2013-08-07T19:35:36.107" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11190" PostId="5746" Score="7" Text="I am reinstating this post and clearing the comments. Just because you don't like what someone has said or disagree with them is not a reason to delete their post. Leave it downvoted if you disagree, but deleting it only re-inforces the attitude that TheLQ believes the site has" CreationDate="2013-08-08T02:45:49.617" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11192" PostId="5746" Score="1" Text="@TheLO I think you should take the time to read http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5475/why-professional-capacity and http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4111/what-is-a-professional-capacity. In fact, I think ***EVERYONE*** should do so, even those who have read it before. Consider it mandatory prep for the call." CreationDate="2013-08-08T03:00:53.167" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11193" PostId="5746" Score="1" Text="The same factors that make this site non-desirable for professionals tends to encourage the hostile behavior in those who stick around. (frustration factor) So yes, believe it or not, fixing the problems covered will have a trickle down effect." CreationDate="2013-08-08T03:02:43.107" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11194" PostId="5746" Score="3" Text="I don't think SF is hostile at all. I'm mainly on SU, though I've hung out with, answered questions and every so often asked questions. I basically run a VERY small windows network, with linux stuff on the side. I'm careful to ask myself whether a real sysadmin would need to know this before asking. I believe there's a fine line between aggressive but necessary quality control and assholery. I pick up a LOT of useful things by osmosis. I don't SF's hostile, anti-user and insular if you're a sysadmin, or a aspiring sysadmin who gets to know what works here." CreationDate="2013-08-08T03:19:01.213" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="11195" PostId="5746" Score="4" Text="I fully agree with Mark that this answer should not be deleted, although perhaps for completely different reasons, but deleting the comments merely supports TheLQ's claims and does the site no favours." CreationDate="2013-08-08T03:23:59.283" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="11196" PostId="5746" Score="1" Text="@JourneymanGeek i would definitely say SF is a hostile site. There's an air of elitism combined with a higher barrier of entry than other SE sites, which drives new users away. The problem is SF and SU effectively split on professional / non-professional, which is doomed to fail, as its an overly vague distinction." CreationDate="2013-08-08T06:53:49.600" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="11197" PostId="5746" Score="1" Text="and i should add, SO has the opposite mantra to SF. Encourage new users, give an impression that it's ok to ask dumb questions if you're new, and generally lower the barrier of entry to new developers. I don't want to say this kind of thing is why sysadmins have a bad reputation, but it's no coincidence in my mind that SO is so popular and SF is dying. Who wants to contribute to a site that gives the impression of being better-than-thou ?" CreationDate="2013-08-08T06:59:13.403" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="11200" PostId="5746" Score="3" Text="@MarkHenderson - I voted to delete because the question didn't add anything or make any suggestions on how to fix the problems he put forward - i.e. it didn't answer the question at all, it was just a series of comments." CreationDate="2013-08-08T07:25:01.593" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11269" PostId="5746" Score="4" Text="@Sirex you seem to he missing the point of SF. It is for *professionals* by *professionals*. This is different from almost every other site in the network. There should be a higher barrier to entry and it should not be a place for any question. not  Do you really think questions like this belong here: http://serverfault.com/questions/530154/will-this-cpu-work-with-this-motherboard http://serverfault.com/questions/530153/host-file-being-ignored-not-allowing-me-to-login-to-windows-8 http://serverfault.com/questions/530152/how-to-add-images-into-aws-ec2-server-from-terminal" CreationDate="2013-08-11T12:28:58.007" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11273" PostId="5746" Score="1" Text="No, i understand that's what it's meant to be, but I don't think it'll actually survive being that way. I can only speak from personal experience, but SF at first appeared hostile to new users to me, and over time I've not been swayed to think otherwise. It's good that people can ask enterprise-y questions and all, but segregating them off into their own site is a bad call imho. It'd be easier to just ask the user at the time of asking the question what type of responses they want (i'm looking for SOHO advice, i'm looking for enterprise etc&quot;). Hell, they do that for bounty questions." CreationDate="2013-08-11T19:50:37.197" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="11274" PostId="5746" Score="0" Text="... then let people filter the questions by ones which apply to their own knowledge without getting annoyed that the site has questions deemed below them. I'm not saying very basic questions should end up on SF, i'm saying SF and SU aren't actually disparate enough to need their own sites; Its been overly siloed. And there's been some retaliation against filtering options, but i've already got anything windows, active directory etc filtered out via tags as it's not my area of expertise, so why not business size ?" CreationDate="2013-08-11T19:54:04.650" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="11278" PostId="5746" Score="4" Text="The SF community is tough to figure out, until you realize that it's moderated by a bunch of sysadmins." CreationDate="2013-08-13T16:44:38.327" UserId="144450" />
  <row Id="11291" PostId="5746" Score="0" Text="@platform, in a nutshell. sadly." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:12:57.370" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="11360" PostId="5746" Score="6" Text="@Sirex Why is that sad? I thought it was by sysadmins for sysadmins? I thought we held elections?" CreationDate="2013-08-14T14:33:23.020" UserId="130858" />
  <row Id="11156" PostId="5747" Score="0" Text="I'd say leave it there unless they show it no love. FWIW, IE and Outlook use schannel for everything SSL related. Dunno on the rest of the question." CreationDate="2013-08-07T04:04:10.703" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11188" PostId="5749" Score="1" Text="Understood, but I agree with a comment on that link you provided. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/18312/moderators-accepting-answers-on-users-behalf-after-a-certain-time-period#comment36996_18315" CreationDate="2013-08-07T20:46:25.053" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11189" PostId="5749" Score="0" Text="We have about 27,000 of 156,000 questions showing as unanswered. I've spot checked some of these before; it's my opinion that most of them have an answer worthy of being upvoted, or the question just needs to be closed." CreationDate="2013-08-07T20:51:44.967" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12268" PostId="5749" Score="0" Text="I see the rationale but would like to respectfully disagree with *&quot;It doesn't really matter much that a question doesn't have an accepted answer&quot;*. The effect is that there, as far as I can see, exists no way of extracting and answering old (as in not in the moment newborns) unanswered questions which really are unanswered. To me that is a substantial value subtracter on many levels. But please tell me if I'm uninformed and a way to filter these in fact exists." CreationDate="2014-01-29T20:50:33.237" UserId="196932" />
  <row Id="12269" PostId="5749" Score="0" Text="@ErikE Are you looking for [this](http://serverfault.com/unanswered/tagged/?tab=noanswers)?" CreationDate="2014-01-29T21:15:49.633" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12270" PostId="5749" Score="0" Text="@Michael Hampton: Yes, I went for the 'Unanswered' category, only to find (at first glance) a high ratio of questions which appeared actually correctly answered and often acknowledged so by the OP, only not marked as answered. As I do this in my free time, I felt the effort of finding good question candidates to answer was far too great. I am unsure if this is because of poor understanding of the site on my part, which is how I ended up here." CreationDate="2014-01-29T22:29:19.807" UserId="196932" />
  <row Id="12271" PostId="5749" Score="1" Text="@ErikE By default it shows &quot;no upvoted answers&quot;. Those need upvotes too! Especially when they're correct. You then click on &quot;no answers&quot; to get questions with zero actual answers." CreationDate="2014-01-29T22:30:02.953" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12273" PostId="5749" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton: Thanks, I see what you mean now and I also noticed how useful the Tags are. This should do it!" CreationDate="2014-01-29T22:47:38.197" UserId="196932" />
  <row Id="11191" PostId="5750" Score="0" Text="My brain went on vacation and I was thinking about the +rep value of *questions* when I wrote that, but I'm just going to leave it as is. The basic merits of the idea are present and can be tuned from there." CreationDate="2013-08-08T02:58:32.930" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11198" PostId="5750" Score="1" Text="I think this is certainly worth exploring." CreationDate="2013-08-08T07:22:29.910" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11211" PostId="5750" Score="0" Text="There are both the `Analytical` (now retired) and `Informed` badges that sort of handle your first idea.  However, I do think it is worth exploring as well." CreationDate="2013-08-08T13:14:03.960" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11225" PostId="5750" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner True enough, but that would also mean tying badges to ability to post, and my intuition says that permissions based on tags will be a non-starter idea with the SE folks." CreationDate="2013-08-08T17:09:05.963" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11227" PostId="5750" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner ...unless you were just trying to say that the code hooks are sorta already there for the +rep. Right." CreationDate="2013-08-08T17:17:02.627" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11228" PostId="5750" Score="3" Text="Not a bad idea. Minor tweak: require 5 rep to post a Q. On the About page, make a 4 question &quot;quiz&quot; with drop down boxes. Each quiz question is worth 1 rep (so getting them right meets the requirements). The 4 question should be dead simple: &quot;Target Audience: Professional Administrators&quot;, &quot;Questions should have: Details &amp; Actual Problem&quot;, &quot;Questions about Home stuff: Off-Topic (See SU)&quot;, and &quot;Voting: Just Do It™&quot;. There's little way to verify &quot;reading&quot; otherwise I like your idea [alot](http://i.imgur.com/aFKDsGN.jpg)." CreationDate="2013-08-08T17:24:53.217" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11230" PostId="5750" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Yeah, RE: &quot;reading&quot; all we can confirm is that they landed on the page. (unless they do that fancy &quot;scroll past&quot; AJAX stuff we see in [about](http://serverfault.com/about), which can still be gamed in the same way that most EULA reading tests are) Your variant works pretty well." CreationDate="2013-08-08T17:30:02.630" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11231" PostId="5750" Score="1" Text="@re: the badges...I was stating that you could do something like Chris is stating i his comment by saying &quot;Earn enough rep to ask your first question and earn your first badge along the way!&quot;" CreationDate="2013-08-08T17:35:13.793" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11199" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="Again well worth discussing, thanks." CreationDate="2013-08-08T07:23:13.803" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11201" PostId="5752" Score="5" Text="Have you got any questions to be added/edited or any solutions? because that's the point of this question - there are others for discussion - this is just about achieving improvements in the short term. Sorry if you think THIS is rude but the question states the objectives." CreationDate="2013-08-08T10:19:42.343" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11202" PostId="5752" Score="4" Text="How ironic that you deem my answer as offtopic rather than think about the actual point of it. In the form of questions now, happy?" CreationDate="2013-08-08T10:33:35.357" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11203" PostId="5752" Score="2" Text="I suspect that you've missed some of the discussions going on [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5600/why-the-major-faq-help-change) and in particular the comment [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5600/why-the-major-faq-help-change#comment11127_5663) which spawned a conference call at which the above list was generated. The 'question' here is to get additional feedback/clarification prior to taking up the offer of a call with the SE team, so in that respect you answer doesn't really answer the question posed." CreationDate="2013-08-08T10:39:35.790" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11204" PostId="5752" Score="0" Text="Yep, very much so - thanks for reading the question and answering it." CreationDate="2013-08-08T10:40:07.387" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11205" PostId="5752" Score="1" Text="In response to 2. questions are now put 'on hold' for 5 days before being closed properly. Dev/home use questions have a home on {so,su,u&amp;l} too." CreationDate="2013-08-08T10:42:20.457" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11206" PostId="5752" Score="0" Text="On hold effectively kills a question though so it only offers the chance for rewording, not to get some use out of the question as it stands." CreationDate="2013-08-08T10:48:22.387" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11207" PostId="5752" Score="4" Text="I have seen many questions about pro technologies eg. vmware that were closed as off topic simply because they mentioned a home/dev setup. The answers would have been far more useful here than on SU because they apply to the technology regardless of the environment that it is being used in" CreationDate="2013-08-08T10:50:08.613" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11208" PostId="5752" Score="9" Text="*I have seen many questions about pro technologies eg. vmware that were closed as off topic simply because they mentioned a home/dev setup.* -- that's because the right answer for a home setup, where &quot;making do&quot; is acceptable isn't as useful in a pro deployment. Case in point: you mention questions about &quot;VMWare&quot;. That's a company name, you might as well say &quot;It's like the pros because they use the Microsoft&quot;. There's a big difference between ESXi in business and VMWare workstation at home &amp; home use scenarios will **get better answers** from people on SU. Isn't that what it's about?" CreationDate="2013-08-08T11:56:34.077" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11209" PostId="5752" Score="2" Text="I am well aware what vmware is. Another example of pedantry rather than answering the real point. Aside from the fact that the specific questions I was thinking about were in fact about ESXi, workstation is marketed as a product for professionals to setup or manipulate virtual machines for their other professional platforms, maybe you were thinking of vmware player?  None the less, the question itself, not the mere mention of the word *home* should determine whether it is on topic.  How many 'vmware' experts are there frequenting SU do you think?" CreationDate="2013-08-08T12:40:17.880" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11210" PostId="5752" Score="2" Text="Also a lot of SMEs need to 'make do' with one thing or another to meet their limited budgets.  We should be advising on where that is most appropriate not snootily turning our noses up and telling people to be more professional." CreationDate="2013-08-08T12:42:44.657" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11212" PostId="5752" Score="9" Text="OK. You're clearly dead set on dismissing people who disagree with you as pedants. Your inability to make a clear point is not actually my problem. I'm done with this." CreationDate="2013-08-08T13:28:46.603" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11213" PostId="5752" Score="7" Text="One man's pedantry is another man's precision." CreationDate="2013-08-08T13:37:13.283" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11215" PostId="5752" Score="1" Text="@RobM indeed, too much pedantry does seem to be part of the problem" CreationDate="2013-08-08T13:58:37.320" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11216" PostId="5752" Score="1" Text="@Chopper3 being pedantic about incidental details in order to ignore the point or to flag a question that would otherwise apply in a professional environment is neither precise or helpful." CreationDate="2013-08-08T14:07:32.650" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11217" PostId="5752" Score="1" Text="and you wonder why people are put off serverfault when they face this attitude from so called community leaders" CreationDate="2013-08-08T14:13:14.657" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11220" PostId="5752" Score="1" Text="I'm somewhat with James on this, as I largely tend to agree. I suspect that the real problem with SF is that it is incorrectly targeted. A perfectly good question for SF can be closed just because it includes the word &quot;Home&quot;, which is madness when the meat of the question can apply perfectly well to both environments. I often think an amalgamation of serverfault and superuser, might be better. I'm sure this is a minority view amongst the regulars here on SF (and possibly on SU), so it's offered on a FWIW basis." CreationDate="2013-08-08T16:22:41.297" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="11223" PostId="5752" Score="7" Text="I run a small office. I just have the common sense to realise that some questions are better off asked here, and some there. If I happened to run a half dozen systems with AD at home, and had a wierd problem, I'd ask here, and leave out the fact that its at home. Likewise, I'd often ask work questions on SU since they were closer to home user questions. Can't be that hard to just leave out the relevant bits, would it?" CreationDate="2013-08-08T16:41:01.500" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="11224" PostId="5752" Score="0" Text="This is easy enough for you and me, but newcomers don't know these ways to make it work for them and to be honest they should not have to.  The whole reason to have human moderators and not just an automated filter is so that they can use a bit of common sense and discretion." CreationDate="2013-08-08T16:57:30.843" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11232" PostId="5752" Score="8" Text="Your &quot;heavy handed Moderators&quot; often do edit out the word &quot;home&quot; if the question is a better fit for SF. Also, you claim to have seen man &quot;vmware [questions] closed closed as off topic&quot;, have any links to backup that? A quick search and the first 15 questions I found were: Pricing; not related to VMware; trying to install &lt;2GB RAM; crap; shopping; shopping; non-HCL hardware; crap; shopping; shopping; shopping; licensing; crap; crap; crap; crap; and not VMware related... Maybe there's something good in there, but it's not a pervasive problem." CreationDate="2013-08-08T17:44:36.613" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11233" PostId="5752" Score="3" Text="Personally, I think &quot;Anything in a home or development environment&quot; in the FAQ should be changed to &quot;Anything NOT about managing computer systems in a professional capacity.&quot; With &quot;managing&quot; emphasized.  That would allow encompassing someone taking care of their 5 person garage startup and admins with lab environment questinos while still closing questions about &quot;I need to allow inbound port 666 on my home router, how?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-08-08T17:50:23.013" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11244" PostId="5752" Score="12" Text="**A perfectly good question for SF can be closed just because it includes the word &quot;Home&quot;, which is madness when the meat of the question can apply perfectly well to both environments.** Actually I'd agree with this. Despite my hardline stance against &quot;home&quot; questions on SF I have in the past edited questions that I thought applied to this precisely to remove the 'home' bit out, so they'd survive here. Where I'd disagree is that quite often people think a question applies perfectly well to both environments when in fact it doesn't." CreationDate="2013-08-08T21:49:51.763" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11245" PostId="5752" Score="4" Text="@JourneymanGeek if people (and i admit i do it too) are deliberately dropping off the fact some questions are in reality home-environment based and those questions go on to get decent answers, the real problem is that the SF website is making distinctions based on flawed logic. imho, closing questions based on some vague metric of &quot;professionalism&quot; is really dumb and SF will suffer while that practice continues." CreationDate="2013-08-08T21:53:52.313" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="11246" PostId="5752" Score="0" Text="@Sirex They may go on to get answers, but the assumed context of those answers is that a production environment was being worked with. The answers are therefore useful to *professionals*. This is perfectly acceptable. If you taint the context of your own question towards being in a home environment, the answers are *not* useful to professionals. End of story. This is why the moderators try to &quot;save&quot; questions if they can be fixed by removing the word home." CreationDate="2013-08-08T22:24:28.300" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11247" PostId="5752" Score="1" Text="sure, but as much as it pains people, that is why the site stats are so crappy. The word &quot;professional&quot; is totally meaningless; e.g: I used to work in an organisation with 10,000 people, now i work in an organisation with 50. The way they employ IT isn't remotely similar. Put simply, the site is misaligned with what the public actually want, as evidenced by the fact that its doing so badly. I do get the pipe-dream that the site wants to be, but it's just not realistic to dictate what &quot;professional&quot; means. To be blunt, the actual impression put outwards is that SF is just SU for snobs." CreationDate="2013-08-08T23:49:39.487" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="11248" PostId="5752" Score="3" Text="&quot;what the public actually wants&quot; is a straw man; if the backend systems do not align with the intended purpose of the site (it currently facilitates the posting effortless questions on a site that wants to be &quot;SU with enterprise standards&quot;), of course everything is going to be dragged down to that level. Pointing out that this goal doesn't align with the basic SE model would have been dead on, and it's been touched on a few times already. But implying that this site should align with what the *entropy of the internet wants*? Give me a break." CreationDate="2013-08-09T03:41:51.833" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11253" PostId="5752" Score="0" Text="I'm just saying, it isn't working because the premise is fundamentally flawed. &quot;Enterprise standards&quot; is largely meaningless. Not entirely, but enough to undermine the purpose of the site. All suggestions so far just involve raising the barrier of entry and lowering inclusiveness (which would nullify the key feature of se sites which made them attractive in the first place). But if you want to go down that route, you may as well just stick a monthly subscription cost on membership." CreationDate="2013-08-09T08:53:00.023" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="11254" PostId="5752" Score="1" Text="It is not very forward thinking either.  Most of us professionals were at one time enthusiastic amateurs in our home/garage/basement, etc.  By making those people unwelcome now we are reducing the likelyhood of them joining later.  The line needs to be drawn closer to not providing tech support." CreationDate="2013-08-09T10:55:24.487" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11257" PostId="5752" Score="0" Text="Equating a 5 rep barrier to being a monthly subscription site is just a little...yeah. It's the same premise behind why comments aren't available until people have 10 rep, but in our particular case it needs to be frontloaded into asking questions as well. If we fail as a result of that system, then yeah, just tear the site down; the stated premise can't work. It's a little difficult to have a meaningful discussion going when I'm having to pick apart an atom of hyperbole in every reply, so this is my last comment.  Kudos for keeping it civil at least." CreationDate="2013-08-09T13:37:32.060" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11263" PostId="5752" Score="10" Text="@JamesRyan: There are almost no questions from people who would naturally call themselves IT administrators (professional or not). The vast majority of our questions come from people who would naturally call themselves developers. In that respect we have already failed because we don't attract IT administrators and most of the new ones that do drop in don't hang about because of the river of shitty questions from amateurs." CreationDate="2013-08-09T19:33:19.807" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11279" PostId="5752" Score="3" Text="People don't come here because they know stuff and have an excellent question. They come here because they don't know stuff and they have a problem." CreationDate="2013-08-13T17:05:44.597" UserId="144450" />
  <row Id="11349" PostId="5752" Score="1" Text="What does &quot;Search and ratings are the best defense against junk...&quot; mean?  Should people who answer Qs search for good ones? (how?) What ratings are you referring to?" CreationDate="2013-08-14T08:06:57.930" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11350" PostId="5752" Score="1" Text="@Iain Which is important though, who asked the question or who the question helps?  As a systems administrator a lot of the answers I come here for have been asked by someone, I don't care who asked as long as I find a relevant answer.  But also I regularly find questions I need to find an answer to have been closed or migrated to SU for some daft reason because someone asked them slightly the wrong way which is really frustrating." CreationDate="2013-08-14T09:52:49.370" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="19083" PostId="5752" Score="0" Text="@JamesRyan Just sum up : remembers such questions are perfectly Ok on Super User. The objective of stack exchange is not to have duplicate sites. If they behave well on SU, then why wanting them on SF" CreationDate="2015-07-25T20:43:27.943" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="19085" PostId="5752" Score="0" Text="@user2284570 usually they are closed/moved to SU as 'home' questions, then turn out to be too technical for that userbase and never answered on either site." CreationDate="2015-07-26T18:22:03.887" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="19086" PostId="5752" Score="0" Text="@JamesRyan if questions are not good question on SU but too technical for the community, then they are barely unanswerable and should closed. If you would create a proposal for them, I think it would be closed as a duplicate of SU rather than SF. Same thing as [here](http://discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/a/20922/106375). You have already hundreds of websites/chat channels dedicated to system administration at a medium level outside Stack Exchange. SF is probably unique because it targets professional system administration in large environments (small business don't require to go in college)." CreationDate="2015-07-26T19:12:38.030" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="19087" PostId="5752" Score="0" Text="@user2284570 no offense but I don't think you are adding anything useful to this conversion" CreationDate="2015-07-26T20:05:45.613" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11214" PostId="5753" Score="4" Text="Boom! great suggestion, seriously good. Nice to see *someone* reading the question and answering it appropriately and constructively ;)" CreationDate="2013-08-08T13:38:56.447" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11229" PostId="5753" Score="7" Text="Not sure ignoring the problem is a very good solution..." CreationDate="2013-08-08T17:26:46.113" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11236" PostId="5753" Score="1" Text="I'm with @ChriS here, though I'd be willing to consider it as a fallback if attempts to *directly* address the quantity of crap questions are deemed a failure." CreationDate="2013-08-08T18:30:45.843" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11242" PostId="5753" Score="4" Text="This is a bad idea and will be a big barrier to getting involved in the site. The effect is that when the user re-posts after 3 days of being ignored, it'll get dup-closed and ignored, with follow-on requests in meta to have a rep-filter instead." CreationDate="2013-08-08T21:43:33.667" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="11243" PostId="5753" Score="1" Text="Why would they get ignored?  I'm not asking for it to be universally hidden for everyone.  It would require something like the stackapp to really ignore it, which I'd assume most everyone won't actually be using." CreationDate="2013-08-08T21:47:56.373" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11218" PostId="5754" Score="1" Text="What does &quot;IT Pro&quot; mean? Programmer?? It seems like you're trying to backup your personal workstation (work or home related, [SF] doesn't normally deal with &quot;end users&quot; so to say)." CreationDate="2013-08-08T15:39:50.053" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11251" PostId="5754" Score="3" Text="Pro is very seldom used as an abbreviation for Programmer. I am an IT professional that has worked in a variety of technically biased roles for the past 20 years." CreationDate="2013-08-09T07:34:48.633" UserId="81123" />
  <row Id="11261" PostId="5754" Score="1" Text="That's just as nebulous as your previous statement. While we tend not to care what your actual title is; a lot of people claim &quot;IT Professional&quot; when they really mean &quot;the guy that got co-opted into doing IT Administration; but it's *not their primary job*&quot;." CreationDate="2013-08-09T14:14:54.747" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11264" PostId="5754" Score="4" Text="You don't score very highly on the 'nice' scale mate, I'd quit while your are ahead. I have been Architecting and developing Systems Management and Infrastructure solutions for the last 7 year previous to which I was a support and development head, my last gig was 33000 POS terminals in 11000 locations + supporting DC (Data centre not District of Coloumbia) infrastructure, this gig is putting serial TV into a private cloud." CreationDate="2013-08-09T19:36:44.583" UserId="81123" />
  <row Id="11265" PostId="5754" Score="2" Text="TV is television" CreationDate="2013-08-09T19:38:04.840" UserId="81123" />
  <row Id="11266" PostId="5754" Score="3" Text="And what is this about anyway, who I am? you betray the sort of bias that is getting this forum a bad name and you should examine your motives for being so rude and dismissive." CreationDate="2013-08-09T20:18:05.083" UserId="81123" />
  <row Id="11267" PostId="5754" Score="1" Text="You were being vague. Calling me rude for pointing that out doesn't do your character any favors either. Also, I'm the only member of the &quot;regular crowd&quot; who's been trying to find someone who knows a good answer to your question. I reopened your question after you edited it too..." CreationDate="2013-08-09T20:19:53.917" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11268" PostId="5754" Score="2" Text="Well thanks Chris, but please try to be a bit more cuddly next time, The point I make about who I am is still valid." CreationDate="2013-08-09T20:32:09.343" UserId="81123" />
  <row Id="11219" PostId="5755" Score="7" Text="It seems to me that mods have lost sight of their purpose on this.  Rather than thinking 'we must destroy any home related question at all costs' you should be thinking 'could this be useful to an admin, maybe? ah what the hell if a few home questions slip through'" CreationDate="2013-08-08T16:19:27.823" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11221" PostId="5755" Score="1" Text="@JamesRyan That is the standard I personally use. The bias against home use questions is because, to be perfectly blunt, they're almost uniformly *crap*. There is zero interest in the server fault community (even among our nicest members) in being the internet's desktop support. I refer you to [What is a &quot;professional capacity&quot;?](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4111/what-is-a-professional-capacity) for some more detail on why &quot;home&quot; questions are generally considered off-topic here, but if you want to discuss it further please open a new discussion." CreationDate="2013-08-08T16:24:47.133" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11222" PostId="5755" Score="0" Text="well you are not wrong in that aim, but it seems to go too far at times" CreationDate="2013-08-08T16:29:10.923" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11226" PostId="5755" Score="4" Text="I'm not sure I see a problem in aggressively targeting home questions, as there's an appropriate site for them. It's not like we're telling these questions/people &quot;Be Gone!&quot;. [SU] is the Internet's help desk. If we wanted to help home users, we'd go answer there. If we need to know something about a home situation, we'd go search/question there. The sites are meant to be dividing lines in the sea of knowledge; not islands ignoring each other's existence." CreationDate="2013-08-08T17:15:44.850" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11234" PostId="5755" Score="2" Text="@ChrisS Like all things, It depends on the quality and caliber of the question. It's no secret that I have a serious problem with people closing a question because it has the *word* `home` in it (&quot;closing by regex&quot;). Many of us have *home* environments that are better managed than some of the production environments I've worked in, and a question about configuration management in those environment could be very relevant on Server Fault. By contrast asking how to get Port 80 working on my ISP's network, or getting DD-WRT working on my LinkCyst? Not so much with the relevance." CreationDate="2013-08-08T18:01:45.693" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11235" PostId="5755" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7: The trouble with home is it begets more home which betgets more shit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory." CreationDate="2013-08-08T18:12:30.987" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11237" PostId="5755" Score="0" Text="@Iain I agree in principle, but in point of fact a lot of really good questions were closed during the ZOMG HOME MUST DIE days, and a good number of them were reopened and answered as good questions after a simple `s/home//g` -- Closing By Regex is just as bad as Stack Overflow's &quot;Migrating by Regex&quot;." CreationDate="2013-08-08T19:01:37.027" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11239" PostId="5755" Score="0" Text="@Iain It's also probably worth pointing out that the &quot;home questions of yesteryear&quot; had a more-than-incidental occurrence of good questions. *Today's* home questions are almost universally dreck, and it's much harder to defend them when the quality has gone from &quot;Not That Good&quot; to &quot;BLOODY AWFUL&quot;" CreationDate="2013-08-08T19:05:49.547" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11241" PostId="5755" Score="6" Text="There still seems to be this perception that when a question is marked up for moving to SU, it and its asker are somehow being thrown out of the promised land in some kind of vindictive manner. That's insulting to **SuperUser**, let alone the people voting to close/move the question. If a tool is most normally used in a home/personal environment then it is likely to get a better answer on a site that is used to dealing with home/personal environments and the behaviour of IT equipment in that environment. Bar-room lawyering about why a question 'should' stay here misses that point." CreationDate="2013-08-08T20:32:11.643" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11252" PostId="5755" Score="0" Text="OK I have edited the original question and adjusted the tags. I was written in kind of a hurry originally so I have tried to make it a specific query. If it is better suited to another forum can I have an explicit recommendation please." CreationDate="2013-08-09T07:36:44.673" UserId="81123" />
  <row Id="11352" PostId="5755" Score="0" Text="The problem is when as in this question it is regarding an area of technology where the expertise for a useful answer is here and getting thrown out to SU will mean likely a low quality answer or none at all." CreationDate="2013-08-14T10:21:51.873" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11256" PostId="5756" Score="1" Text="+1 - I agree with the requiring the `analytical` badge idea or something similar.  Overall, I see two issues...new user attraction, and user retention.  Right now the site is failing at both it would seem.  Sales folks will tell you it is much easier to retain a customer than attract new ones, so my vote would be to focus on retaining our &quot;core daily contributors&quot; while not ignoring new folks at the expense of the core group.  Sort of like church, nobody likes to visit a church where the members don't care about visitors, it eventually is just a group of folks dreaming about the &quot;old days&quot;." CreationDate="2013-08-09T13:37:11.807" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11258" PostId="5756" Score="0" Text="BTW, I know this contradicts my request to filter out first questions by new users.  The request was more of a way to ignore the plethora of crappy new questions.  If there was a better way (maybe through your `New Question` idea) I'd be all for it." CreationDate="2013-08-09T13:40:10.787" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11250" PostId="5757" Score="1" Text="While I appreciate your response, the nature of the question was such that it should receive a response from a professional forum. I also work in vCentre/ESXi and HyperV environments in an enterprise capacity. I need to design and prototype SQL database resilience and backup solutions, non relational database stuff like sharding and replication, application servers, web servers, security configs. I could go on and on but you get the picture. The question was really: How can I make the best and optimal use of my resources to backup my VMs and the response of this forum was Foxtrot Oscar" CreationDate="2013-08-09T07:03:51.540" UserId="81123" />
  <row Id="11280" PostId="5760" Score="0" Text="What security appliance? Could be bad signatures..." CreationDate="2013-08-13T17:08:21.813" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11282" PostId="5760" Score="0" Text="And people think [I'm paranoid for blocking ads](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malvertising)." CreationDate="2013-08-13T17:51:18.653" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11294" PostId="5760" Score="0" Text="I didn't have this yesterday, but I had it about a year ago" CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:31:23.120" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11335" PostId="5761" Score="0" Text="That's the same page I was seeing, but I assumed it had to be a transparent proxy since our security guy did find something in the logs." CreationDate="2013-08-13T23:38:43.873" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11284" PostId="5762" Score="3" Text="I know there are userscripts that allow you to clear embedded images -- perhaps one of these could be modified by an enterprising soul to convert images to links sutomatically?" CreationDate="2013-08-13T20:35:36.473" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11285" PostId="5762" Score="1" Text="I agree with this - inappropriate images are my favourite bit of chat and agent an issue when I'm in the office. However, when with a customer its a bit awkward to alt-tab to my remote desktop (where  I do most of my surfing) and see a dodgy image." CreationDate="2013-08-13T20:37:34.890" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="11286" PostId="5762" Score="5" Text="@Dan Just tell them your other client is Passion Natural Lubricants and you're hardening their web apps." CreationDate="2013-08-13T20:50:04.413" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="11289" PostId="5762" Score="6" Text="@Wesley I hear they have no problems with penetration testing." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:11:51.203" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="11311" PostId="5762" Score="1" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/137584/hide-or-collapse-individual-comments-in-chat" CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:51:11.993" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11312" PostId="5762" Score="0" Text="@Iain Great minds think alike?" CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:52:52.940" UserId="104624" />
  <row Id="11287" PostId="5763" Score="33" Text="Server Fault is failing quite simply because of the river of crappy questions from amateurs (including developers) who seem unable to read documentation or use google." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:00:35.773" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11288" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="@thomas you're likely wasting your time." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:10:20.883" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="11290" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="@Thomas Worth reading: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4111/what-is-a-professional-capacity &amp; http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5475/why-professional-capacity ; Simply put Server Fault's audience is not &quot;everyone who needs a question answered&quot;, it's &quot;professionals&quot; who do things like read the documentation and post good, detailed questions." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:12:22.883" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11292" PostId="5763" Score="15" Text="Also this is really more of a rant than anything constructive - It would be appreciated if you tone down the grandstanding and present your ideas in a clear, concise, constructive way. It's likely that some of your suggestions are simply not going to happen (e.g. &quot;allow anyone to comment on any question&quot; is a recipe for disaster. This is why the *entire SE network* has a system of tiered privileges based on reputation - that predates Server Fault)" CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:14:06.400" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11293" PostId="5763" Score="23" Text="@lain. Thank you for your useful and productive illustration of my point!" CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:30:28.857" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11295" PostId="5763" Score="19" Text="@Thomas just curious what makes you think you have a handle on how the site works and why you think you're qualified to make statements like this. First of all, you initially posted this on the main site, not meta. You didn't even get that basic piece right. Then, you talk about the dynamics of the site and this and that, but you don't even have enough rep to see `/review` and participate there. In fact you only have **three** total rep. Your account is less than a year old, you have almost no participation, and you couldn't even find meta to make this post. Why should this be taken seriously?" CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:33:32.797" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11296" PostId="5763" Score="17" Text="@Thomas: From SO `First off, I'm not a web designer, I'm just a geek trying to help out a friend.` you're not even our target market." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:34:54.480" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11297" PostId="5763" Score="9" Text="@voretaq7 Thank you for the suggested link, it was worth reading. However my point is that many legitimate professionals who do read the documentation and who do post detailed questions are treated unfairly because the definition of &quot;good question&quot; is so seemingly arbitrary. Yes, this is a rant, but I (as sirex put it) wasted a great deal of time trying to present clear and concise constructive feedback while being blunt about the issue at stake. I'm sorry if my success did not meet my intentions." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:35:00.763" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11298" PostId="5763" Score="8" Text="@MDMarra - did you read the first sentence? `Why am I responding by posting a new question? ... I can't respond directly to the meta question because I don't have enough reputation.`" CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:35:04.997" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11299" PostId="5763" Score="4" Text="@MDMarra I attempted to respond directly on meta and was informed I did not have enough reputation to participate there. The entire question at hand is WHY am I (as a representative of a class of non-participatory users) not participating? My _lack_ of participation makes me eminently qualified to make statements on this subject. Only someone who does not participate can explain why he (or others) is not participating. Anyone else commenting on the subject is only speculating." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:38:17.327" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11300" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="Where else do people go for community? I'm curious." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:43:00.160" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="11302" PostId="5763" Score="12" Text="@lain Thank you for again illustrating my point. If SE wants to be a club for the pretentious elite of all computerdom, that's fine - I already stated I have other places to go for answers. Just don't complain when new user retention collapses and your site traffic falls to near 0. If you want more site traffic and if you want more users, you're going to have to be more accepting of new users who are a little less 1337 than you are. And chances are they admire your knowledge and experience; that's why they come here in the first place." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:44:16.367" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11303" PostId="5763" Score="3" Text="@MarkHenderson - of course I read the first sentence, all it does is reinforce the point that someone that doesn't even have **FIVE** reputation is nowhere near qualified to comment on the state of the community. Thomas - This site is by professionals for professionals. No one is going to want to participate in the &quot;helpdesk of the internet.&quot; which is what this site is becoming. Are network, systems, and storage engineers *really* going to be attracted to a site with &quot;Help! I crashed my computer! How do I recover?!?&quot; - which is what this is turning in to." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:46:55.327" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11304" PostId="5763" Score="3" Text="@ewwhite I have personally found a great deal of warmth and welcome from the Spiceworks community forums. Everyone there is friendly and open and users with all levels of experience are welcome and encouraged to participate. This is not meant as an ad for SW or their forums, it is only my personal experience in answer to a question." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:47:32.253" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11305" PostId="5763" Score="16" Text="@MDMarra except as I've said in the past, reputation is very poor indication of how much a user knows about the site or the community. The *only* thing that reputation measures is how much other people liked their answers. That's it. Someone could have lurked for 4 months, doing maintenance, voting, etc, and their reputation would show virtually nothing, but they would know the community better than someone who dropped by once and scored a +50 on a popular easy question." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:48:59.547" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11306" PostId="5763" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson what maintenance can you do with only 3 reputation?" CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:49:29.710" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11307" PostId="5763" Score="3" Text="@MDMarra Just for the record, I have on numerous occasions spent hours perusing open questions on SF (and other SE sites) only to find questions that I am not qualified to answer (because I just simply don't know everything about Tomcat and Ubuntu) or questions that need more elaboration before I can give a distinguished answer - and being unable to comment I can't ask for that information. The entire reputation system as it stands now DISCOURAGES participation from new members, though I know it's intended to do the opposite." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:49:51.187" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11308" PostId="5763" Score="22" Text="And also, people who are green, new users are perhaps the *only* people qualified to judge the community as they come in with fresh eyes. Us old timers cannot judge what the site is like for new users, because *we are not new users*" CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:49:51.473" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11309" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="@MDMarra - anyone can edit and flag" CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:50:06.253" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11310" PostId="5763" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson Editing/flagging gives +rep. If he were doing that he would have more than 3." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:50:38.590" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11313" PostId="5763" Score="1" Text="I didn't realize I could edit and flag - I thought that's why we had moderators.. Good to know. Maybe now I can get some reputation and garner some respect from the 1337 crowd. W00t. Too bad I can't edit or flag obnoxious comments like this one." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:52:58.107" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11314" PostId="5763" Score="29" Text="I think targeting this guy based on Rep is a cheap trick, to be honest. His points are valid observations even if you disagree with their cause and / or validity. @MarkHenderson Great answer, I'm starting to worry that we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater on SF right now. I maintain professional sysadmins and similar should be our enforced target audience but nobody here was born with their experience in the sector. On my first ever pro job I was a Tier 1 tech who didn't even know what group policy was, but I was still working hard to make IT work for my users, just like now." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:53:07.320" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="11315" PostId="5763" Score="7" Text="@Thomas You're right. Although, I find that Spiceworks deals in a different segment of the industry. I've found a few good answers there, but know that there are certain things I can't ask. Here, we do need to realize that there are a variety of ways to define &quot;professional&quot;. I work in some of the shittiest small environments, as well as some of the highest-end... I see a need to be welcoming no matter where people come from... *as long as they follow the rules or spend a moment to understand the flow of this site!*" CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:53:31.287" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="11316" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="@ewwhite You're absolutely right. Confession time: one reason I have not participated as much as I would have liked is because I don't fully understand the &quot;flow of this site&quot;. It works very differently from any other forum or Q&amp;A community I've participated in. And I confess, when I signed up I didn't read any documentation such as FAQs (documentations appears to be a lot easier to find now than it was then). Another suggestion - when new user sign up, present them with some short helpful instructions... I'll edit this into my OP with more info." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:57:10.310" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11317" PostId="5763" Score="1" Text="@thomas Basically, it's not discussion... it's Q&amp;A. Answerable problems. There are checks to try to ensure that you're not asking a question that's already been answered, and a deep library of content." CreationDate="2013-08-13T21:58:49.060" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="11320" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="@ewwhite Yes, I figured that out ;) But the layout of the site and how the reputation system function as well as community ettiquette is very different from other Q&amp;A sites. This makes the learning curve when joining a little intimidating. I actually stalked SE for over a year before signing up myself and even after signing up I still don't know all the nuances of this particular SE culture." CreationDate="2013-08-13T22:06:35.677" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11321" PostId="5763" Score="3" Text="@MDMarra You are absolutely right to want to avoid SE and SF in particular from becoming the helpdesk of the internet. That's what SW is for ;) But that attitude can easily be taken too far to the exclusion of otherwise legitimate users. I'm arguing on behalf of the excluded that something must be done to check this migration towards elitism if the site wants to maintain an open and growing community." CreationDate="2013-08-13T22:08:51.873" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11322" PostId="5763" Score="0" Text="I think the intention is that questions are well researched before hand, and documentation read / understood. Which is great in theory, but i'd actually say this'll result in mostly corner cases and exceptional circumstance questions where the answers have narrow relevance to other visitors, reducing the usefulness to new visitors... but hey ho." CreationDate="2013-08-13T22:12:21.777" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="11325" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="Perhaps my experience is unique, but since the beginning of my IT career I've had supervisors hand me an assignment well outside of my qualifications and give me an unrealistic deadline to complete it. The fact that I have repeatedly managed to deliver is less a testament to my skill and more a testament to friendly and helpful expert communities who have pointed me in the right direction - sometimes only by linking me to the right documentation. Often enough I have found the answer in a previous question, so I rarely join a community myself except when I have exhausted every other resource." CreationDate="2013-08-13T22:22:12.540" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11327" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="@Dan Thanks for your support. I know I don't explain myself very well, but I'm glad that a few people got what I was trying to say." CreationDate="2013-08-13T22:26:39.770" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11328" PostId="5763" Score="0" Text="@Dan Some of his observations may be valid, but the signal to noise ratio is all over the place due to not even understanding how standard StackExchange sites operate. If the PoV can't cannot accurately criticize us *in relation to other SE sites*, then the resulting dialogue is going to resemble a train wreck at best." CreationDate="2013-08-13T22:29:11.810" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11329" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="@AndrewB Yes, train wreck. Looks like that's what happened. I believe the disconnect in my undrstanding of the &quot;standard SE site operation&quot; is because my experience between different SE communities has been markedly different. I have received a warm welcome and lots of useful feedback to my questions on SO and I consider its community to be completley unrelated to SF. Oddly enough, on SO I'm a complete newb to web design (and welcomed) and on SF I've got a decade of IT experience behind me (and eschewed)." CreationDate="2013-08-13T22:35:31.057" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11330" PostId="5763" Score="3" Text="@Thomas Keep in mind that I'm referring to &quot;standard operation&quot; from a purely mechanical standpoint. Criticizing features that are global to the SE network ([including SO](http://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/comment)) doesn't really help us." CreationDate="2013-08-13T22:46:46.367" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11331" PostId="5763" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB You're right. In the case of SO, those features worked well for me. But perhaps there is a little room for adjustment when those same features have hindered my progress in the SF community. Adjustment to the features, or adjustment to me - either/or or both." CreationDate="2013-08-13T22:59:58.643" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11351" PostId="5763" Score="1" Text="@Iain your first comment here is completely false.  Is google unsuccesful because it contains junk pages? no.  They are not a problem because they go to the bottom of results.  A river of crappy questions provides little value, but likewise it is not detrimental.  They can be ignored by answerers, they can go to the bottom of lists, etc.  Sometimes one will be redeemed but most of the time they will just teach people how to write better questions." CreationDate="2013-08-14T10:11:02.923" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11353" PostId="5763" Score="3" Text="@JamesRyan: If you can show me how to ignore crappy questions with the tools provided I'd be keen to see how." CreationDate="2013-08-14T10:28:47.630" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11356" PostId="5763" Score="15" Text="**A river of crappy questions provides little value, but likewise it is not detrimental** - I'd disagree. Crappy questions begat more crappy questions (e.g. the broken windows theory). While we may not agree as to what makes a good question or a bad question, the attitude of ruthlessness to questions deemed bad is a central pillar of *Stack Exchange*: Bad questions should either shape up or ship out. Crappy questions make the site look less attractive for people looking to ask good questions, and they make it harder for knowledgeable people to find and answer those good questions." CreationDate="2013-08-14T12:48:54.647" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11361" PostId="5763" Score="1" Text="While they are obviously crucial to the process, the site isn't here for the benefit of the people answering questions.  It is a knowledgebase to help solve people's problems, if they are not getting an answer then it has failed them and they won't go on to add further contributions." CreationDate="2013-08-14T14:51:03.073" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11364" PostId="5763" Score="9" Text="@JamesRyan Server Fault has a very specific target audience. Our goal is not, nor has it ever been, to answer EVERY question ANYONE can ask about servers, networking, or infrastructure. If you are approaching the site with the attitude that it should be a completely open &quot;anyone can play&quot; site like most of the others on the network you are simply ***wrong*** - the closest analog to Server Fault would the high-tier academic sites like [cstheory.se]." CreationDate="2013-08-14T15:22:17.793" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11365" PostId="5763" Score="9" Text="@JamesRyan The site *is* here for the benefit of the people answering the questions every bit as much as it is for the benefit of those asking. Firstly, you can learn a lot from answering questions, and secondly, a site that didn't bother catering to people who *answered* questions would be a website full of questions with no answers. That's not much of a knowledgebase. There already are sites with no quality bar to the questions and answers, e.g. yahoo questions. Part of the mission of stack exchange, never mind server fault, is to be better than those kinds of sites." CreationDate="2013-08-14T16:22:34.647" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11366" PostId="5763" Score="0" Text="(cont.)... While we can disagree over where the quality bar should be set and talk about how to improve or tweak things, if you don't think there should be a quality bar *at all* then with all due respect, I don't think *any* of the stack exchange sites are the sites for you. For example, Stack Overflow and SuperUser *do* cater to 'amateur'/hobbiest coders and geeks where we don't, and the English Language site welcomes well asked questions from people who are not native English speakers, yet they still have pretty tightly enforced rules about the quality of questions that can be asked." CreationDate="2013-08-14T16:24:57.407" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11367" PostId="5763" Score="4" Text="The quality bar should be set through ratings by a number of users though, not by the first 5 elitist snobs who read the question and think that it is beneath them.  People keep saying that serverfault isn't for everyone, well the same logic applies to questions.  Just because a question is boring or too easy for you doesn't mean someone else can't use it as an intro to answering." CreationDate="2013-08-14T16:46:17.493" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11368" PostId="5763" Score="5" Text="@JamesRyan **Just because a question is boring or too easy for you** And I don't close questions because I find them boring or easy. When we talk about the quality of a question that is *not* what we are talking about. A question can be well researched and/or well written but 'boring' or 'easy' to me and I am totally fine with that. A question can be on a subject I love discussing but written as a incomprehensible ramble, and if it can't be cleaned up by editing then I'm voting to close it no matter how interesting I might find the subject it is trying to discuss." CreationDate="2013-08-14T17:00:00.487" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11370" PostId="5763" Score="1" Text="and yet that is the type of perfectly reasonable question which is getting closed or migrated to SU often. **I'm not saying that there should not be a bar of quality**, I'm saying that certain people who have a snobbish attitude have more influence over where that is set than the general community. The cliquey snobbish impression that we are currently giving new people is one of the reasons that is putting people off.  Incidently, I would question whether some of the top users actually even are professional sysadmins because they seem to have far too much free time to be on here! :)" CreationDate="2013-08-14T18:01:30.380" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11373" PostId="5763" Score="6" Text="@JamesRyan you know, it's possible for us to have different ideas about what makes a good question for server fault without those of us you disagree with having a &quot;snobbish attitude&quot; or being am &quot;elitist snob&quot;. For all that I was probably a little too sharp with you the other day (and apologies if that caused offence) I have always assumed good faith in your posts even when I disagreed with them or thought they were in the wrong place. Show a little good faith; stop to consider the *possibility* that someone who disagrees with you is not doing so because they are an elitist." CreationDate="2013-08-14T18:25:30.027" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11377" PostId="5763" Score="0" Text="@JamesRyan I for one confess to having way too much free time - but that's voluntary. Actually, I should be working on a freelance web dev project right now. You cobble together one site for a friend and suddenly you're employed in a whole different sector of the market..." CreationDate="2013-08-14T18:47:21.927" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11378" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="@RobM Some of the users commenting here have definitely shown themselves as elitist snobs. You are not one of them, in my opinion. I feel your comments have been constructive and useful. Still, JamesRyan's point is still valid, even if it does not apply to you specifically." CreationDate="2013-08-14T18:49:17.693" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11379" PostId="5763" Score="0" Text="@RobM I am complaining about the people who are closing questions too soon for the wrong reasons, don't be so quick to assume that my comments are aimed at you personally." CreationDate="2013-08-14T18:52:09.983" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11380" PostId="5763" Score="0" Text="Thanks Thomas, @JamesRyan - I should say that while I obviously took the comments personally to a degree (I'm used to being considered part of the 'elite snobs' when this blows up every 6 months) I'm talking about considering the acts of other veteran users in good faith too. They're people I know. I know we're not all elitest snobs. I know we all could do better at times too. I think we *all* want what is best for the site even if none of us agree what that is." CreationDate="2013-08-14T19:49:05.683" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11381" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="Why would it keep coming up if it didn't exist?" CreationDate="2013-08-14T20:49:14.963" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11382" PostId="5763" Score="0" Text="There is an issue @JamesRyan, the content issue has always been a thorn of contention because this site is different from most of the rest of the stack exchange family. And even those people who think we don't have a problem at all are still interested in how we can be even better." CreationDate="2013-08-14T20:53:12.753" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11318" PostId="5765" Score="3" Text="Vote up requires 15 reputation :) Go figure. I actually read the page on reputation earlier before posting my OP and it didn't actually explain how to gain reputation other than getting your Qs or As voted up." CreationDate="2013-08-13T22:03:15.023" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11319" PostId="5765" Score="3" Text="That is really the only significant way to gain reputation.  15 reputation would require 3 upvotes on a question, or two upvotes on an answer (that's actually 20), or an upvote on a question and an answer.  That's not much." CreationDate="2013-08-13T22:05:10.123" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11323" PostId="5765" Score="2" Text="@FalconMomot Except that it's completely arbitrary. I had 1 reputation this morning, before I went back to months old questions I had asked that had remained unanswered (and unvoted) and answered them myself with the solutions I eventually came up with. I suppose I could do that all day if I wanted to pad my resume. Also, I'm finding myself only able to flag questions, not comments and not answers. I can edit other people's posts (i.e. add key words) but that's an unusual part of this particular community that I'm having difficulty getting used to. I'm not a moderator." CreationDate="2013-08-13T22:14:26.320" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11324" PostId="5765" Score="1" Text="&quot;ignoring the fact that there are other more green people who might like to help them.&quot; This, exactly. As long as it's not a duplicate (and not way off topic like &quot;how to fly an aircraft&quot;), it's ok in my eyes. It's nice to pick off the low hanging fruit questions sometimes. My issue is more that finding those among the volume of questions that aren't my area of expertise is too tricky (and yes i'm pretty lazy... but i'm willing to bet so are most people who aren't emotionally invested in the site). I want to see only my favorite tags, really." CreationDate="2013-08-13T22:19:27.353" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="11326" PostId="5765" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson Thank you for explaining better than I can what I was trying to say." CreationDate="2013-08-13T22:25:24.083" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11346" PostId="5765" Score="0" Text="Interesting that Joel's answer to your 3-yr-old question has only recently made it into a close reason.  His first line: &quot;One way to look at the questions that are asked here is: how far away is the asker from even comprehending the answer?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-08-14T06:33:00.613" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11362" PostId="5765" Score="1" Text="I think it's also worth drawing attention to another point made in Joel's post: *When in doubt, an answer deserves about the same amount of effort as the question got. If someone writes a one sentence question about &quot;how to get a server onto the Internet,&quot; they deserve about a sentence answer, either linking to a checklist somewhere, or just tell them to hire a damn sysadmin. On the other hand, if they put a lot of effort into asking a very specific question, they deserve more effort for the answer.*" CreationDate="2013-08-14T14:55:02.397" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11363" PostId="5765" Score="6" Text="@Thomas If you have a problem with the reputation system please note that it is a network wide system. Discuss it on http://meta.stackoverflow.com, or email your concerns to the Stack Exchange team. Further griping about it here will result in a comment purge, because it's useless noise." CreationDate="2013-08-14T15:16:58.270" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11332" PostId="5766" Score="0" Text="In most of my perusing of questions, rarely have I come across a &quot;bad&quot; question as you describe it. Maybe I just show up on the good days? But I have seen numerous &quot;middle&quot; questions treated as bad questions, and even some good questions treated as bad questions. I personally would also much prefer the example &quot;correct answers&quot; you gave than a down vote with no explanation. Sometimes a little more explanation is all that is needed to make a middle quesiton a good question and the asker is just trying not to be too wordy or overwhelm other users with trivia." CreationDate="2013-08-13T23:13:05.947" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11333" PostId="5766" Score="0" Text="I, personally, tend to err on the side of answering these.  Also, during the wee hours and on weekends we tend to get a great deal of atrocious questions which are responsible for much of the close rate." CreationDate="2013-08-13T23:18:16.460" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11342" PostId="5766" Score="1" Text="The 1st paragraph deserves a +1 by itself - it's not really that bad, there are tons of good answers (many by you), it'd just be nice if we could get rid of some of the crap." CreationDate="2013-08-14T05:48:31.053" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11343" PostId="5766" Score="0" Text="Totally - and we need to concentrate on the crap that is complete and utter crap, and that begets more crap.  This would be almost all of the questions about DD-WRT, cPanel, webmin, virtualbox, OS X, and vmware workstation, among other things..." CreationDate="2013-08-14T05:58:06.370" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11344" PostId="5766" Score="0" Text="Uh-oh, we've got dd-wrt *and* virtualbox at work...  And Samba4!" CreationDate="2013-08-14T06:26:00.433" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11347" PostId="5766" Score="1" Text="Hopefully not in prod.  Hopefully your WAPs aren't consumer gear running DD-WRT and hopefully you aren't running production servers in virtualbox.  And if you are, my only answer to your question about trouble with them is &quot;get some real gear&quot;." CreationDate="2013-08-14T06:36:10.140" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11354" PostId="5766" Score="3" Text="@FalconMomot There is a blurry line between professional kit and consumer/SOHO kit, and consumer kit does get used in professional environments (and vice versa!). &quot;get some real gear&quot; is probably the right answer, but it isn't helpful when budgets don't allow this. Small businesses don't want to spend 50k on hardware when they can get away with a 1k spend, so providing the question is in a professional context, these question are on topic IMHO. We've got 4 ADSL consumer grade routers in service here, there's no need to spend a fortune on pro kit when there is no benefit in doing so." CreationDate="2013-08-14T11:13:18.007" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="11355" PostId="5766" Score="1" Text="If you end up experiencing problems or weird and messy constraints as a result of using consumer gear, there is a need and a benefit.  If you aren't, it's probably only incidental to what is then an on-topic question." CreationDate="2013-08-14T11:15:09.277" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11371" PostId="5766" Score="3" Text="@FalconMomot That is where I have to disagree entirely. You prioritize &quot;weird and messy&quot; as long as it is with equipment you deam appropriate. That's snobbish. I'm sure everyone would love to operate on a pair of $10k XenServers with a 10gig backbone to a redundant NAS, but not everyone can. Just because a business is small and the IT budget (or boss) only allows them to run VMWare free on a beefed up old desktop doesn't make them any less professional, nor does it make their concerns any less real or valuable. You have perfectly demonstrated the &quot;Country Club&quot; mentality I have a problem with." CreationDate="2013-08-14T18:15:29.340" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11372" PostId="5766" Score="3" Text="Nono, I think you misunderstand.  The reason the solutions that come out of these questions are generally disinteresting is that they are generally the wrong way to do things, and generally overly specific, and no professional would reasonably *recommend* that you use them.  It may be work when you do something unprofessional, and your boss might force you to do something unprofessional, but there comes a point where you can't make gear do stuff it wasn't designed to do and expect a professional result.  Go ask those questions on superuser; they're at home there." CreationDate="2013-08-14T18:19:04.847" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11384" PostId="5766" Score="2" Text="@FalconMomot If your boss is asking you to do something, then it's in a professional capacity regardless of the grade of equipment being used and according to the help/about pages, that's on topic here, and off topic on superuser. There is always the avenue of bending the truth in the question to make the question on topic for SU or SF (which is utterly ridiculous IMHO). Now if SF was for professional grade *equipment* and SU was for consumer grade *equipment*, I'd agree, but that isn't currently the case, it's about the setting or environment of the person asking the question." CreationDate="2013-08-14T21:38:55.957" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="11387" PostId="5766" Score="7" Text="@Bryan If your boss is asking you to do something that is a bad idea and jeopardizes the stability of the environment you have a professional responsibility to say &quot;No&quot;. If you come from any kind of engineering background (mechanical, civil, electrical) this is something that is drilled in to you: You do not design and implement a wrong solution, because when it fails the engineer who stamped the plans is responsible for the failure, and its consequences. ***THAT***, is [*professional*](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4111/) in the context of Server Fault." CreationDate="2013-08-14T23:13:56.430" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11388" PostId="5766" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 sure, but that doesn't mean anyone will care if you say 'no' or not. You can CYA i guess, but it doesn't mean you won't end up in such situations. I'm finding the number of times that happens to me is dropping as i gain experience and move upwards (therefore having more clout in conversations) but new admins probably have it happen often, i know i did." CreationDate="2013-08-14T23:21:35.400" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="11389" PostId="5766" Score="1" Text="Those situations are, as often as not, a sign you're working at the wrong place in my experience.  Even when I was a deskside guy I had more than enough latitude to do things without making a mess." CreationDate="2013-08-14T23:38:19.443" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11398" PostId="5766" Score="0" Text="@voretaq But if it doesn't jeopardise stability, fits the budget, performs the job, then there is nothing unprofessional about using consumer/SOHO equipment. **Professional Capacity?** `A professional is a person who is engaged in a certain activity or occupation for gain or compensation as a means of livelihood.` That doesn't make consumer gear off topic here. If it should be off topic, fine, but let's FTFFAQ in that case." CreationDate="2013-08-15T21:01:59.043" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="11400" PostId="5766" Score="0" Text="@Bryan I'm sorry, but your definition of &quot;professional&quot; from the dictionary simply doesn't jive with the *community's* definition of professional in the Meta post I linked you to. If the standard is &quot;Someone is paying me to do this terribad thing&quot; we may as well just shut the site down today. It's not a matter of the products, it's a matter of *professionalism*, and frankly most of the &quot;herp derp it's a linksys&quot; questions are *NOT* professional-grade questions, per the community's definition." CreationDate="2013-08-15T21:55:50.027" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11402" PostId="5766" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7, like I say, that's fine, I have no problem with that, but newcomers to SF don't read the word professional and instantly interpret that as meaning something different from the English language definition, which happens to be buried deep in the meta site that even some of the more regulars here probably won't even read. We can't just go redefining the English language and expect everyone to follow suit without any explanation, then complain about the poor quality of questions being asked when they aren't given clear guidelines to start with." CreationDate="2013-08-15T22:28:02.640" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="11404" PostId="5766" Score="4" Text="@Bryan OK, that is a valid point: The Meta topic is not easy to find. I have updated http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic and http://serverfault.com/about accordingly (references to &quot;professional&quot; now link to the relevant Meta post -- That puts it pretty much front and center for new users and really should have been done a while ago.)  If you think more can/should be done about this please open a new Meta discussion topic  and we can explore other ideas" CreationDate="2013-08-16T01:21:52.327" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11334" PostId="5767" Score="0" Text="This was a useful post. Still can't vote for it! ;) You describe this issue as some sort of identity crisis and I think that's probably accurate. So the question for the SE admins is - how can we identify and then clearly define what the SE/SF target audience is? That's points 1&amp;2 of the SE admin conference call question. And so far nobody seems to be able to offer a way to identify or define that target audience. Not even me, sadly." CreationDate="2013-08-13T23:24:54.090" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11336" PostId="5768" Score="0" Text="Well I think it depends on whether SF wants willing-to-learn IT &quot;greenies&quot; in the target audience or not. I assumed yes, since as long as they work in the field such a person qualifies as a professional in my book. But hey, at least you got some answers before your first question was closed ;) 4 months after it was asked! not everyone is so fortunate. I'm curious how your migration went - I was doing the exact same thing about that same time (Nov-Dec 2012). It was a headache, to say the least." CreationDate="2013-08-14T01:35:08.363" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11337" PostId="5768" Score="0" Text="@Thomas a few hiccups, now its expanded across 6 seperate offices and up into Azure. AD and Sharepoint have been my two biggest projects/successes since starting." CreationDate="2013-08-14T01:37:29.287" UserId="139868" />
  <row Id="11338" PostId="5768" Score="0" Text="Glad to hear it worked well for you. In my case it was another example of the boss giving me a task outside my experience with an impossible deadline - so the real headache was from him jumping down my throat for being behind schedule. ADFS is a lot easier to deploy in 2012 as compared to 2008r2, and MS's hybrid deployment guides for local AD/Exchange Online which I followed were decodable. Selecting the appropriate _type_ of deployment is a little more tricky and if I ever do it again I'd probably come to SF for advice on that - if SF is open to that kind of question in the future." CreationDate="2013-08-14T01:58:34.570" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11339" PostId="5768" Score="0" Text="Our biggest issue, was the O365 federation process failed. http://serverfault.com/questions/443859/office-365-domain-federation-conversion-failed, once we got that resolved it actually wasnt too bad. Had a couple &quot;oops&quot; moments with FIM, where I accidently deleted the entire IT staff OU from O365." CreationDate="2013-08-14T02:03:37.063" UserId="139868" />
  <row Id="11340" PostId="5768" Score="0" Text="+1 for MS actually fixing the problem on their end. I haven't deployed Forefront before, but I read a lot about it when researching the o365 project. For my part, I think I'll avoid SSO like the plague in the future. It makes offsite logins to o365 painful with minimal (and buggy) benefit to onsite personel." CreationDate="2013-08-14T02:24:24.727" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11341" PostId="5768" Score="0" Text="actually with ADFS it makes it fairly easy. Username + password at a custom url, just like the AD login." CreationDate="2013-08-14T02:49:38.350" UserId="139868" />
  <row Id="11345" PostId="5768" Score="1" Text="By the time that questions was closed, you had quite a bit more than 1 rep." CreationDate="2013-08-14T06:30:27.527" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11348" PostId="5768" Score="0" Text="I voted to close that question Matt, because I didn't believe there was a definitive correct answer to it. Answers are likely to be opinionated to questions like that, which the FAQ frowns upon. Having said that, I actually think it's a good interesting question, and one of my personal &quot;Save Our ServerFault&quot; ideas is to allow more of these types of questions, as I think opinions on issues like this can be just as valuable as definitive answers to questions to the target market of this site." CreationDate="2013-08-14T07:25:09.553" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="11385" PostId="5768" Score="1" Text="I come here too because I can assume a certan level of expertise among the users here. But this community is useless if its members aren't willing to share that expertise. I only post questions here when I have problems I can't solve on my own - clearly (by my low participation) that doesn't happen very often. But when it does, I'd like to find solutions and that would be a lot easier if I wasn't tripping over users who think they're better than everyone else. In the time it takes to vote down a question they could just as easily have answered it." CreationDate="2013-08-14T21:40:24.327" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11386" PostId="5768" Score="6" Text="I don't think its a &quot;better then you&quot; mentality... It's more of a &quot;sick and tired of ignorance and laziness&quot; mentality. And when a question comes up that should be common sense, or shows laziness on the askers part it gets shot down quickly." CreationDate="2013-08-14T22:09:49.913" UserId="139868" />
  <row Id="11374" PostId="5769" Score="4" Text="I disagree entirely with your opening statement. The whole point of communities open to public viewing like this is for people to find useful answers without having to ask the question. That is also why repeat questions are deemed so bad. Also, 99% of lurkers aren't lurking to find out how the community works, they're lurking to find answers. You assume that they're going to figure out the community along the way, but obviously they don't or this wouldn't be an issue! I'll take the ad hominem with a grain of salt, but why not spend some effort trying to solve the real problem?" CreationDate="2013-08-14T18:28:59.750" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11375" PostId="5769" Score="2" Text="The real problem is new users who are not familiar with the system or who are not following it. Those users quickly get rejected and then the admins complain about woefully dropping traffic statistics. If the suggestions I have made already exist, then they are inadequate or faulty - certainly they are ineffective. How can they be made more effective? How can the system be made more effective without alienating new users? And yes, a lot of my points are made towards SF but are SE policies. I'm not active on every SE site and I'm going to address the problem where I see it, on the site I use." CreationDate="2013-08-14T18:35:01.210" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11399" PostId="5769" Score="4" Text="**Those users quickly get rejected and then the admins complain about woefully dropping traffic statistics** I think Stack Exchange as a whole has always worked along the lines that some visitors are not worth retaining @Thomas - you can see this expressed in meta.stackoverflow when issues of what is and what is not on-topic over there have come up in the past. I'm not saying that every user we've ever &quot;scared&quot; away from this site is one that we didn't want to keep, that would be crazy. But it's equally crazy to assume that every single person who leaves the site is a loss to it." CreationDate="2013-08-15T21:53:57.203" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11376" PostId="5770" Score="1" Text="I think I agree with this entirely. Though I feel that there are many users who don't interpret &quot;professional&quot; the same way, or who are extra picky about it. I know, as an asker, I regularly feel inclined to be short in my questions, because I have a tendency to be wordy. So I won't explain in detail every troubleshooting or research step I've made because I don't want to overwhelm the community with trivia that is not pertinent to getting an answer. Is that a bad policy on my part? Or should such questions be given a chance to explain more in depth before being closed as &quot;not useful&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-08-14T18:41:25.953" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="11401" PostId="5770" Score="2" Text="@Thomas There is a perfectly acceptable middle ground between &quot;This is broken. ***HALP?***&quot; and a half megabyte of irrelevant detail. I'm fairly confident you can find that middle ground (You in particular because you managed to do it once, and the collective &quot;you&quot; because we have tens of thousands of great questions on the site that do it). Questions with too little detail will be placed &quot;on hold&quot; until such time as they are made answerable. Questions with too much (irrelevant) detail are usually subject to aggressive editing. That's [tag:status-bydesign] network-wide." CreationDate="2013-08-15T22:04:46.327" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11824" PostId="5770" Score="4" Text="I agree with this answer entirely, but there is definitely an attitude problem on this site. I don't know what to do about it, but the seeing this continue to be an issue makes me sad." CreationDate="2013-10-16T12:40:53.780" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="11390" PostId="5772" Score="1" Text="I think there should be a way to do cross site promotion.  If meta isn't the place, and chatroom is too noisy; this is a problem area that can be solved with enough thought." CreationDate="2013-08-15T02:27:56.420" UserId="51457" />
  <row Id="11391" PostId="5772" Score="0" Text="I agree that I would get + or - votes on cross site promotion here on meta, but never saw an official statement on that.  By official, I mean meta.StackOverflow, since the rules of meta.SO or blog.stackexchange seem to take precedent  over meta." CreationDate="2013-08-15T02:29:25.227" UserId="51457" />
  <row Id="11392" PostId="5772" Score="0" Text="The cross-site thing has been brought up before, debated, tons of proposals (including mine, a hierarchical solution), and declined. And the sites have proliferated... It's not a new problem by any means, and you're not the first to be annoyed by it. If you can get SE to change I'd be impressed and in your debt." CreationDate="2013-08-15T02:34:37.947" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11393" PostId="5772" Score="0" Text="See [faq#vote-differences] for details on what is supposed to be posted here. Network wide changes are announced on the blog and mSO, but their site rules don't apply (past being the basis for mSF's rules...)" CreationDate="2013-08-15T02:36:18.690" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11394" PostId="5772" Score="0" Text="Understood.  I'll leave this open for a while longer and won't abuse this experiment (e.g. trying to use this meta question as a guise to cross post my Sec.SE question).  I'm mostly looking for any dissenting opinions and whatever they come up with." CreationDate="2013-08-15T02:44:12.623" UserId="51457" />
  <row Id="11409" PostId="5772" Score="0" Text="FWIW, there already *is* cross-site promotion by the means of &quot;hot questions&quot;. Obviously, you have very little influence over what is appearing there as the question's owner. As the number of sites has increased and keeps increasing, the need for cross-site promotion will continue to rise, so maybe it is going to be implemented one day." CreationDate="2013-08-16T08:57:57.297" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11395" PostId="5773" Score="8" Text="Last time we tried this it got closed on A51 as a dupe of SF by a bunch of A51 users who don't use SF." CreationDate="2013-08-15T07:34:33.537" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11396" PostId="5773" Score="3" Text="^ But like the murphy's, we're not bitter. Just very very annoyed, now that I remember it." CreationDate="2013-08-15T12:22:13.653" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11403" PostId="5773" Score="0" Text="What is a conceptual question? I think most of my questions are conceptual--- if I understood the concept I wouldn't be asking the question and I would be able to solve my problem." CreationDate="2013-08-15T23:28:30.353" UserId="36178" />
  <row Id="11410" PostId="5774" Score="0" Text="Not very many people use chat however... This one only seems mildly relevant as there are several people who Exchange administration in chat. If the question was about Gentoo, he'd probably get more mocking than help from chat." CreationDate="2013-08-16T13:03:26.533" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11411" PostId="5774" Score="1" Text="Anyone using Gentoo deserves mocking. :)" CreationDate="2013-08-16T15:18:35.153" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11397" PostId="5775" Score="2" Text="*&quot;Because Y's developers didn't implement it&quot; is THE answer, but it's a pretty shitty answer, and totally unhelpful* Let's face it, even if the developer reads the question by some coincidence and answers it, knowing that something wasn't implemented because &quot;I ran out of time&quot; or &quot;I think it sucks&quot; doesn't really change the product or our need to take it on and use it or not based on what it does rather than does not do." CreationDate="2013-08-15T14:32:20.943" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11408" PostId="5775" Score="0" Text="&quot;_the only people who could really answer this are the OpenLDAP developers._&quot; - Agreed. I was hoping thought that maybe someone allready asked these questions to the developers, or just knew because she followed the development very closely. I asked here because I felt that it would be easier to get an answer on sf then from the openldap devs." CreationDate="2013-08-16T07:01:38.840" UserId="71021" />
  <row Id="11405" PostId="5776" Score="0" Text="Further to my edit... It's awesome to see that other people have been downvoting the (many) crappy  close:yes score:0 answers:0  questions I mentioned in a previous meta.SF question.  And once they're at -1, the auto-delete is nuking them.  Yay!" CreationDate="2013-08-16T04:27:14.703" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11406" PostId="5776" Score="0" Text="This doesn't really work. For example I want to see good questions in [tag:linux] but it is also a river of shit so ignoring it gets me nowhere ..." CreationDate="2013-08-16T06:37:51.123" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11412" PostId="5776" Score="0" Text="@Iain `[linux] score:4` is about the closest approximation to &quot;good questions in [tag:linux]&quot; -- I agree it's suboptimal though: your frontpage is still a disaster, and you *only* see [tag:linux] questions in that view. something that lets us filter favorite tags by score (maybe `[*Favorites] score:N`?) would be a nice feature addition." CreationDate="2013-08-16T15:22:54.657" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11413" PostId="5776" Score="0" Text="*If we allowed filtering by rep there would be a pile of crap from 1-rep accounts that nobody ever sees*: this is rather easy to handle by requiring users to complete a certain number of reviews to earn this privilege." CreationDate="2013-08-16T17:20:22.943" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11414" PostId="5776" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj In practice that's not how it seems to work out -- All SE sites develop a core of &quot;active regulars&quot; who would be over the threshold (and presumably filtering), and a sea of changing &quot;occasional&quot; and &quot;newbie&quot; users -- Those in the sea are usually not active reviewers (less invested in the site), and those who can filter have no incentive to review because they don't see the crap." CreationDate="2013-08-16T17:46:41.713" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11415" PostId="5776" Score="1" Text="Just in case you hadn't noticed, I'm not having a great time playing SF at the moment. I'm still the third highest voter this year, this simply won't work. There are fewer than 300 people who have v-t-c privilege and less then 25% of them exercise it with any regularity. There is far too much 'work' being required of too few people." CreationDate="2013-08-16T18:28:18.407" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11420" PostId="5776" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 it looks very much like if filtering is not being provided, it will be created as a browser add-on or a StackApp. It already is rather easy to craft a query allowing filtering on just anything using data.SE, it seems just like the matter of time before anybody gets annoyed enough to implement it for the live data." CreationDate="2013-08-17T06:48:18.307" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11416" PostId="5778" Score="0" Text="Much appreciated. It could be a little more obvious, but I'm glad the functionality is already there. :-)" CreationDate="2013-08-16T23:29:14.237" UserId="129161" />
  <row Id="11417" PostId="5778" Score="0" Text="Hover your mouse over the star, and wait a moment." CreationDate="2013-08-16T23:30:41.113" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11418" PostId="5778" Score="3" Text="I guess if I'd thought about it for a while I would have realised that the star wasn't just there for decoration, but it would be more intuitive IMO if there were separate favourite and ignore buttons." CreationDate="2013-08-16T23:35:48.947" UserId="129161" />
  <row Id="11419" PostId="5778" Score="0" Text="And on an unrelated note, having a minimum wait time for accepting an answer is also a little annoying.  I've tried to click that tick 3 times already! :-)" CreationDate="2013-08-16T23:36:36.107" UserId="129161" />
  <row Id="11421" PostId="5781" Score="2" Text="You shouldn't be hunting for questions and actively trying to get them deleted.  The criteria are there so that bad questions are removed naturally.  By gaming the system you are breaking how it was intended to work." CreationDate="2013-08-20T09:58:51.197" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11423" PostId="5781" Score="3" Text="I disagree wholeheartedly.  The system for deleting questions automatically isn't good enough.  Otherwise, there'd be no need for moderators, and anarchy would take hold." CreationDate="2013-08-20T11:03:59.757" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="11424" PostId="5781" Score="3" Text="And you shouldn't be adding tags that don't belong. Thats meddling." CreationDate="2013-08-20T11:04:04.480" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="11425" PostId="5781" Score="1" Text="The amount of complaining about where SF is heading and yet noone leading it there is ready to stop and listen. :(" CreationDate="2013-08-20T11:14:36.223" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11426" PostId="5781" Score="0" Text="@TomO'Connor the internet is anarchy, it didn't do too badly.  Moderation shouldn't be fighting where the users of the site are taking it, it needs to be allowed to evolve or it will become redundant." CreationDate="2013-08-20T11:31:13.667" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11432" PostId="5781" Score="1" Text="The internet is f---ed." CreationDate="2013-08-20T14:09:58.313" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="11435" PostId="5781" Score="2" Text="This isn't gaming or breaking anything, this is simply reminding people that there are a few things they can do to deal with questions they think are bad." CreationDate="2013-08-20T15:10:40.677" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13696" PostId="5782" Score="0" Text="This is particularly good http://serverfault.com/search?page=177&amp;tab=newest&amp;q=answers%3a0%20score%3a0%20locked%3a0 lts of old unloved and probably outdated stuff to get rid of." CreationDate="2014-09-10T21:54:09.667" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13697" PostId="5782" Score="0" Text="Sweet, there are 100 fewer results now than there were last night!" CreationDate="2014-09-10T21:57:51.787" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13698" PostId="5782" Score="0" Text="I put it on the comms room star wall." CreationDate="2014-09-10T21:58:59.813" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13728" PostId="5782" Score="0" Text="This one is working well for me now:  closed:1 answers:0 locked:0 votes:1...1" CreationDate="2014-09-20T06:05:28.450" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13872" PostId="5782" Score="1" Text="Because questions marked as duplicates don't seem to be captured by the cleaning fairies, you may wish to try: `answers:0 score:0 locked:0 duplicate:no`.  Not returning duplicates knocked some 60 questions off the 0/0/0 list." CreationDate="2014-10-13T19:26:51.290" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16929" PostId="5782" Score="1" Text="These are very helpful.  However, I suggest adding `duplicate:0` to all of these search terms.  Questions that are closed as a duplicate don't do a great deal of harm and aren't worth trying to delete, so this helps you focus your effort on the other bad questions." CreationDate="2015-02-11T06:18:07.920" UserId="111679" />
  <row Id="21664" PostId="5785" Score="0" Text="I am doing a lot of research on IT Certs and would love to see the topic discussed here, as SF is one of the most respected forums I know of, and it could be if done in the right way, really useful.  At least for me then, I'd love to get that &quot;...no learning material recommendations...&#xA;Career, salary, ..employment, educational&quot; questions bit... taken out of the site information page." CreationDate="2016-12-24T20:38:26.807" UserId="351804" />
  <row Id="11439" PostId="5786" Score="11" Text="James, just a thought, feel free to ignore it - but how about making some positive suggestions to how the site could be better - it's just from an outward perspective you seem to only be offering negativity, and we don't really need any of that." CreationDate="2013-08-20T16:49:14.957" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11445" PostId="5786" Score="7" Text="tbh you only see this suggestion as negative because you personally don't agree with it." CreationDate="2013-08-20T19:56:36.133" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11446" PostId="5786" Score="3" Text="I just find it mystifying when there are so many threads about the stats being down anyone who suggests anything but the status quo has been shot down. If you look back it is not just me. You don't have to take on any old suggestion but there should be consideration rather than this blanket denial. I can see you all sitting there if it fails asking &quot;why oh why?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-08-20T20:01:05.900" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11449" PostId="5786" Score="8" Text="It would be helpful if you could give some more concrete examples of questions that you consider noobish, but should remain open on serverfault." CreationDate="2013-08-20T20:24:01.587" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="11455" PostId="5786" Score="0" Text="@JamesRyan - please can you either stop trolling us or make a positive suggestion to help." CreationDate="2013-08-20T23:21:24.367" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11460" PostId="5786" Score="4" Text="@Chopper3 Calling troll to drown out someone else's point of view does not make yours any stronger.  By refusing to have any discussion about problems you are not going to solve them.  &quot;Why is SF failing?&quot; because of close minded people like yourself.  I won't waste anymore time on it." CreationDate="2013-08-21T12:30:29.533" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11472" PostId="5786" Score="3" Text="@James Putting it more politely, there is a fine difference between talking *at* people and talking *with* them, which is something that both sides of any debate need to be mindful of. What you have presented is an opinion piece. Some people agree with your opinions -- some people don't. Provide specific examples of problematic behavior (with links) to back up your conclusions if you wish for them to be accepted as facts within the discussion. Opinion wars on the internet generally benefit no one." CreationDate="2013-08-21T19:53:06.160" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11427" PostId="5787" Score="2" Text="I assume most sysadmins like myself are too busy to be on here all the time but contribute where we can so will never be the highest rep.  But don't forget even non contributing viewers provide the footfall which pays." CreationDate="2013-08-20T13:30:41.410" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11428" PostId="5787" Score="1" Text="It doesn't seem like that majority are very well represented with the balance always going toward high rep answerers." CreationDate="2013-08-20T13:38:06.350" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11429" PostId="5787" Score="5" Text="@JamesRyan It doesn't seem like the majority are providing Answers either. Stop trolling. Chopper did not say the High Rep users should control the direction of the site. He did not say that a contributor with 300+ Answers should not be represented in the site's mission. You are not in the group we're seeking out ouster; we've stated this before." CreationDate="2013-08-20T13:43:32.777" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11431" PostId="5787" Score="1" Text="@ChrisS You didn't read that properly at all.  The whole point is that the majority DON'T provide answers but are an important part of this site not getting a balanced representation from you." CreationDate="2013-08-20T14:06:12.450" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11433" PostId="5787" Score="8" Text="I don't think the majority should get balanced representation. Why do you? The majority do not provide value to the site. Should we not reward those who provide good Questions or Answers?" CreationDate="2013-08-20T14:57:27.943" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11436" PostId="5787" Score="0" Text="Personally I feel that they are just as important because afterall, they pay the bills that make this sustainable." CreationDate="2013-08-20T16:24:11.433" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11438" PostId="5787" Score="5" Text="James, we had this very discussion with the SE guys just last week - they're not remotely interested in a site full of crap question, they ONLY want good quality ones and appreciate our 'policing' of that situation. Yes sometimes, like any police, we take things too far, I'm the first to put my hands up to that, but the job needs doing and so long as we're held to account when we do go too far the job is getting done. By doing what we can to cut down on inappropriate questions our tiredness/anger at the worse culprits should spill over less." CreationDate="2013-08-20T16:47:02.667" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11441" PostId="5787" Score="7" Text="@JamesRyan The ***majority*** of users (3000+ pages of them) on Server Fault have reputations below 500, which I would say is a good, generous cutoff point for &quot;actively involved&quot;. The ***majority***, like in American politics, are simply halfhearted hangers-on. If you truly feel these users are being underrepresented by all means encourage them to visit Meta and Chat to participate in site governance and support your argument that the community wants a different direction for the site. &quot;Decisions are made by those who show up.&quot; and right now the people showing up seem to disagree with you..." CreationDate="2013-08-20T17:31:41.553" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11444" PostId="5787" Score="8" Text="I think it's worth mentioning, as well, that my goal in participating in the site has absolutely nothing to do with optimizing the advertising revenue of SE.  That's their job, not mine, and it's not like any of us get a cut.  From my perspective, it pays for the existence of the site, and it appears to be doing that just fine." CreationDate="2013-08-20T19:54:04.803" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11447" PostId="5787" Score="3" Text="A handful of people have shown up to this thread, a fraction even look at meta.  Why do you think that it is at all representative?  The more you behave like a cliquely gentleman's club, the more you push away the rest of us and the quality of the questions won't mean a thing when there are no users." CreationDate="2013-08-20T20:03:41.833" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11453" PostId="5787" Score="7" Text="@JamesRyan: The vast majority of people are not engaged with SF beyond getting their immediate question answered. There are 134920  accounts only 1104 of which have [&gt;200 reputation](http://stackexchange.com/leagues/2/week/serverfault). So yes you're absolutely right when you say a handful of people. That handful are though the most engaged and valuable to the site." CreationDate="2013-08-20T20:58:40.903" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11454" PostId="5787" Score="3" Text="@ChrisS - I do not see any trolling going on. I think that JamesRyan is being pretty calm and collected, which is more than I can say for other times this conversation has been had" CreationDate="2013-08-20T22:09:01.793" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11456" PostId="5787" Score="5" Text="@MarkHenderson James has consistently cherry picked obscure phrases, taken them out of context, twisted their meaning into something the original author didn't intend... I don't know where your line lies, but I consider it over the line into trolling. I wont speak for others, but he's been doing it enough that I owe him no benefit of the doubt." CreationDate="2013-08-21T01:54:05.230" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11459" PostId="5787" Score="0" Text="I don't believe that I have done that at all.  Now you are not only shooting me down but @MarkHenderson as a voice of reason.  It is quite clear that you are intentionally and not through misunderstanding adverse to any kind of criticism, constructive or otherwise.  Which seems a shame to see in a moderator.  But since you obviously have no intention on taking anyone else's viewpoint on board I won't waste any more of my time on this." CreationDate="2013-08-21T12:25:55.280" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11462" PostId="5787" Score="2" Text="@JamesRyan You're welcome to your opinion. Mark hasn't made any logical argument in this discussion which would make him a &quot;voice of reason&quot;. If he wants he's welcome to analyze your comments, but he hasn't yet. It should be clear that I am adverse to baseless criticism, endless rants, and grammarcide. I don't take anything on board, I'm not a boat." CreationDate="2013-08-21T14:06:31.953" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11465" PostId="5787" Score="4" Text="@JamesRyan From the very beginning (2009) it was made clear that Server Fault was for *professional* sysadmins having questions about their *professional* environment. Questions that are too broad, are asked by a user that has done no research, or do not meet the criteria outlined in the [help] are detrimental. The site was designed this way to attract experts. If the quality drops, causing the experts to leave, *who is going to answer the questions?* It would be the blind leading the blind as the front page is littered with questions about cPanel." CreationDate="2013-08-21T17:37:13.623" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11466" PostId="5787" Score="12" Text="High rep users are disproportionately vocal about these issues, because we're the ones that answer the bulk of the questions on the site. Look at the top 20 users and how many answers they have provided. Imagine if this community had so many low quality questions that they were driven away and the (literally) 10,000+ answers that they have given did not exist. It would cause a downward spiral in quality and an exodus of expert users that are the ones providing the actual value. The user asking how to make a DB using cPanel does not provide value, someone like Chopper does." CreationDate="2013-08-21T17:39:15.923" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11474" PostId="5787" Score="0" Text="just chiming in for this: &quot;Decisions are made by those who show up, and right now the people showing up seem to disagree with you&quot;. I agree with him, but i've found it's a lot easier to lower my usage of SF than fight against the attitudes displayed on meta." CreationDate="2013-08-21T20:45:07.593" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="11475" PostId="5787" Score="0" Text="@Sirex Your PoV tends to be that the &quot;enterprise standards&quot; desired by SF are largely meaningless without really contributing to the discussion about *how that goal can be clarified or improved*. SF is not simply the site for &quot;server questions&quot;, so that does tend to suggest that you're trying to participate on the wrong site." CreationDate="2013-08-21T20:55:11.940" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11476" PostId="5787" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB my point of view is there needs to be more effort on allowing people to quickly find questions they both can answer and want to answer, and help  visitors find questions they can help on - perhaps allowing the scope of the question to be stated at the time of asking. The reason i don't cruise the site as it's increased in popularity is due to not being able to easily find questions i actually care about, regardless of if the questions is good or not. In reality that means i need to be able to filter questions by people in my situation. As i said last week, &quot;professional&quot; isn't enough." CreationDate="2013-08-21T21:03:30.107" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="11482" PostId="5787" Score="1" Text="@MDMarra This site isn't for just 20 users, no matter how many questions they answer.  The ego and snobbery around that assumption and meta in general needs to go if SF is to succeed." CreationDate="2013-08-22T13:31:09.947" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11483" PostId="5787" Score="5" Text="Where did I say that the site was `&quot;just for 20 users&quot;`? What I said was that the reason that high rep users are more vocal is because `&quot; we're the ones that answer the bulk of the questions on the site.&quot;` We see more garbage because we participate more. I'm beginning to see why people have been getting frustrated with you in these discussions. You read a statement and then bend it so that it's *just* out of context enough to feed into the argument that you're making. Sorry, I'm not getting sucked into that game." CreationDate="2013-08-22T13:51:11.140" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11486" PostId="5787" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra [Law of the Instrument](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_instrument) -- the irony of which, is that this is exactly what we're being accused of." CreationDate="2013-08-22T14:17:01.760" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11488" PostId="5787" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB We must stick them with quills, it's the only way!  http://meta.serverfault.com/q/3706/6177 (scroll down to the cartoon)" CreationDate="2013-08-22T16:01:02.400" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11490" PostId="5787" Score="1" Text="@JamesRyan - I'm still waiting to hear one workable suggestion from you for how to make the site better, even on your own definition of better. All I've heard is bleating. You know that expression &quot;if you're not part of the solution...&quot;" CreationDate="2013-08-22T19:28:51.940" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11430" PostId="5788" Score="1" Text="Yet the problem still exists.  I took onboard people's opinions from those discussions and if you read it properly you will note that my question comes at the issue from a different angle. The fact that a vocal minority are ready to shoot down any discussion of the issue is in fact a big part of it." CreationDate="2013-08-20T14:03:02.937" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11434" PostId="5788" Score="6" Text="I disagree, I do not believe the problem you think exists actually does. I believe that &quot;vocal minority&quot; which you speak of does not accurate represent SF, the site's mission, or those guiding its direction. I do not believe that vocal minority to includes any moderators. Further, I believe several of that vocal minority to be relatively low reputation users." CreationDate="2013-08-20T15:02:41.093" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11473" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS I agree strongly. In most of the debates involving the vested interests of the vocal minority, vote trend can be summarized like this: answers that align with the stated mission goal of SF are upvoted and seldom downvoted, while those complain about unfair treatment *and* ignoring the mission statement receive both significant downvoting and upvoting. While this certainly represents the desires of those who don't &quot;get&quot; SF but want answers anyway (&lt;125 rep users with a bad experience), that representation is bunk if the votes are toward SF being about answering anything and everything." CreationDate="2013-08-21T20:10:42.793" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11501" PostId="5789" Score="0" Text="+1, the diversification of the original &quot;trilogy&quot; into specialised sites (Unix &amp; Linux, Ask Ubuntu, Webmasters especially) means it's difficult to determine &quot;on-topic&quot; for those areas." CreationDate="2013-08-23T05:42:40.827" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="11437" PostId="5791" Score="1" Text="In your closing comments you say that you are here for entertainment and intellectual stimulation while the goal of the site is supposed to be to provide expert answers to sysadmins working in a professional capacity.  This seems to be a discrepancy.&#xA;&#xA;Also if you answer those questions rather than whining about them a) this site will be the first answer in google search and b) when they try to ask the same question again this site gives them the existing answer, it can't do that if you have closed it as too basic." CreationDate="2013-08-20T16:41:27.813" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11440" PostId="5791" Score="11" Text="@JamesRyan - in regards to entertainment vs. profession. Those two are not mutually exclusive. Speaking for myself (and many other users here, I suspect), I greatly enjoy sysadmin and am indeed entertained by the practice of systems administration, by learning more about it, and through teaching others. I agree with ChrisS - you are just trolling at this point, trying to find the smallest nits to contradict." CreationDate="2013-08-20T17:26:31.047" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11442" PostId="5791" Score="0" Text="Not at all, merely highlighting the double standard that you yourself brought up." CreationDate="2013-08-20T19:53:30.150" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11443" PostId="5791" Score="0" Text="Anyone care to answer? &quot;b) when they try to ask the same question again this site gives them the existing answer, it can't do that if you have closed it as too basic.&quot;.  This would actively stop some repeat bad questions." CreationDate="2013-08-20T19:53:46.573" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11450" PostId="5791" Score="2" Text="@JamesRyan re: (b) &quot;ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS!!!!!!!111111ONEELEVENTY&quot; is not Server Fault's goal, nor is it the Stack Exchange model. See [Stack Overflow](http://stackoverflow.com) for [ample precedent](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/18198/there-are-no-stupid-questions-or-are-there)." CreationDate="2013-08-20T20:40:41.950" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11451" PostId="5791" Score="10" Text="@JamesRyan Also, nowhere did I say that I (or anyone else) is here for entertainment - to be specific my exact words were `We're here because we want to learn and see new/interesting things that may not come up in our environments. If the only questions the site is attracting are ones that can be answered by literally the first result in a Google search for the question title that is not conducive to intellectual stimulation, and the site will wither and die.` ; I stand by that statement and I'll even come right out and say it: **I don't want lazy people here.**" CreationDate="2013-08-20T20:43:33.260" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11448" PostId="5792" Score="0" Text="You are not talking about the same type of question that I am.  Obviously pure dross needs to go.  We are talking about scope." CreationDate="2013-08-20T20:06:38.317" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11452" PostId="5792" Score="7" Text="Actually I think I am. The 'LOL we can't internet' guy is asking for help after all. The question remains: Where do we draw the line? If its obvious that pure dross needs to go and obvious that great questions need to stay then so much for the obvious cases, but *all* our questions are *somewhere* on a scale between them. Now that we've established you believe in a quality bar, we're negotiating where to you set the bar. It needs to be a fairly precise and concise value too, so that people can stand some kind of chance of applying it consistently." CreationDate="2013-08-20T20:57:12.500" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11457" PostId="5793" Score="0" Text="Probably some &quot;interesting&quot; conflict with cookie data and mobile device handling..." CreationDate="2013-08-21T01:55:20.017" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11458" PostId="5793" Score="2" Text="Yeah, I think the cookie for this site is jacked up.  Probably would be a good idea if we could have some kind of reset session for fhe site.  Not unlike the &quot;log out of all devices/sessions&quot; feature." CreationDate="2013-08-21T03:11:57.960" UserId="20701" />
  <row Id="11504" PostId="5793" Score="0" Text="I've had similar issues while using the full-fat site on Android devices." CreationDate="2013-08-23T20:24:42.403" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="11471" PostId="5796" Score="3" Text="Thank you and I appreciate your effort. yes, my first question was closed in a way that there was not a problem and there is no solution for it. while it was an actual problem I encounter here and I finally could find a solution which may helps many with this situation. in the first one it was an odd problem since I couldn't post more than few bytes (there are many similar problems with large data but no one as little bytes as this) and I explained it well. as it was closed it made me reluctant to write all them again and I asked about retransmission error which I guessed the cause. anyway tx" CreationDate="2013-08-21T18:46:39.100" UserId="184322" />
  <row Id="11487" PostId="5796" Score="2" Text="Where do I subscribe for the next meeting to be beaten with a board? Is it possible to have the board exchanged by birch twigs and have the meeting scheduled in the nearest [banya](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banya_(sauna)#Bathing_ritual)?" CreationDate="2013-08-22T15:33:16.420" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11489" PostId="5796" Score="1" Text="@syneticon-dj Board options include &quot;Board&quot;, &quot;Board-with-Nail&quot;, &quot;Clue-by-Four&quot;, and &quot;One-by-Clue&quot;. We traditionally schedule the meetings in the generator bay during load tests -- it's LIKE a sauna, but loud enough that nobody can hear the screams :-D" CreationDate="2013-08-22T16:50:34.040" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11515" PostId="5796" Score="0" Text="Well here is a example of what apparently never happens.  How many others just give up and leave rather than coming onto meta to ask? No doubt those who disagree will find some technicality to nitpick rather than see the core message." CreationDate="2013-08-25T11:40:12.503" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11516" PostId="5796" Score="0" Text="Good to see you dealing with it sensibly @voretaq7 but we need to stop it from happening so much in the first place." CreationDate="2013-08-25T11:41:41.153" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="11477" PostId="5799" Score="0" Text="Isn't there a way to permanently delete the answer ? since it was kind of a mistake where I thought the pproblem resolved where it wasn't." CreationDate="2013-08-22T13:22:27.697" UserId="182075" />
  <row Id="11478" PostId="5799" Score="4" Text="Not without involving developers, and this generally isn't done unless there are privacy or legal reasons to destroy the post." CreationDate="2013-08-22T13:24:02.563" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11479" PostId="5799" Score="0" Text="Well i guess my question isn't worth the reputation loos. Too bad. Thanks." CreationDate="2013-08-22T13:24:41.363" UserId="182075" />
  <row Id="11481" PostId="5799" Score="1" Text="There are [other ways](http://serverfault.com/help/no-one-answers) to draw attention to your question. Editing it is the primary way. Add more information about what you've found out. For instance, you can add that you tried that thing and you thought it worked at first but it didn't." CreationDate="2013-08-22T13:30:03.107" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11484" PostId="5799" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the suggestions, but my (wrong) abnswer was due to a confusion between 2 hosts so that's very unrelated. I have also done the most documentation about my problem I possibly could. No I just think my problem is too uncommon/obsure to inspire anyone." CreationDate="2013-08-22T14:09:22.743" UserId="182075" />
  <row Id="13960" PostId="5799" Score="0" Text="What's to prevent somebody from creating a bounty first and then answer the question?" CreationDate="2014-11-05T18:42:00.540" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13961" PostId="5799" Score="0" Text="@kasperd Nothing. It happens all the time, in fact. But that's not the situation being discussed here." CreationDate="2014-11-05T18:43:34.957" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11493" PostId="5800" Score="1" Text="I'm going to bet it was triggered by my deleting the &quot;thanks!&quot; comment that was being used as the example comment on the about page." CreationDate="2013-08-22T21:27:19.050" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11494" PostId="5800" Score="0" Text="The tags lie! http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/unicorns |http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/daisies" CreationDate="2013-08-22T21:29:32.197" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11495" PostId="5800" Score="2" Text="Interestingly, this is also [visible at christianity.SE](http://christianity.stackexchange.com/about)." CreationDate="2013-08-22T21:44:54.087" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11496" PostId="5800" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton It's the &quot;You didn't select any questions&quot; default question. Because Unicorn." CreationDate="2013-08-22T22:07:54.953" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="19040" PostId="5800" Score="0" Text="I'm going to guess that it's a reference to [James Thurber](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unicorn_in_the_Garden) although that unicorn preferred roses." CreationDate="2015-07-06T18:47:20.020" UserId="297955" />
  <row Id="11497" PostId="5802" Score="0" Text="Do you have specific examples?" CreationDate="2013-08-23T02:06:52.830" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="11498" PostId="5802" Score="3" Text="While I agree in principle, I think discussion is always on-topic on meta.SEwhatever.  Certain discussions are getting to be pretty much duplicated." CreationDate="2013-08-23T02:22:40.263" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11499" PostId="5802" Score="0" Text="@Ward There's such a thing as on-topic within the scope of a meta question though, or so I've been led to believe. If a question's focus is making SF better within the scope of the subject matter, PoVs that completely throw the subject matter out the window aren't topical." CreationDate="2013-08-23T03:26:28.040" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11500" PostId="5802" Score="0" Text="@Andrew It came up a few times [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5744/questions-to-ask-the-se-staff-regarding-the-future-of-serverfault) and [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5763/why-sf-is-failing-the-dismal-future-of-serverfault). Comment threads have been trimmed down since, so YMMV." CreationDate="2013-08-23T03:37:02.297" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11502" PostId="5802" Score="0" Text="ATDT^H^HCarrier Lost." CreationDate="2013-08-23T08:20:16.573" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="11503" PostId="5802" Score="0" Text="......`+++ATH0`" CreationDate="2013-08-23T17:20:13.470" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11512" PostId="5806" Score="5" Text="I think this is one of the best explanations of SF's scope that I've heard: &quot;the assumption is users will talk to their IT department, and their IT department may then turn around and ask us.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-08-24T05:11:40.297" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="11505" PostId="5807" Score="0" Text="Having gotten the chance to know both, Serverfault's culture is quite definitely *not* the Usenet culture. The Usenet had no instruments for closing or voting, so in most groups the usual method of expressing doubt about a question's topicality or  quality was crafting a post to ridicule the original poster as bluntly as possible. Which often resulted in endless flame wars." CreationDate="2013-08-23T21:50:18.050" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11506" PostId="5807" Score="4" Text="@syneticon-dj Close votes are our equivalent of every member of the group posting &quot;OMFG DID YOU READ THE FAQ YOU DAMN N00B&quot;. We're slightly more civilized -- but only slightly." CreationDate="2013-08-23T22:59:54.810" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11524" PostId="5807" Score="0" Text="Yeah, you've got a point. I was mostly trying to address my eye-twitching whenever someone derails a discussion with sentiments along the lines of *the topic matter is pointless, let me inject my alternate reality fanfic of what SF is about into this otherwise useful debate*. In the future I'll just link to the nearest dupe, or this topic failing that." CreationDate="2013-08-27T23:28:50.613" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11507" PostId="5808" Score="2" Text="It worked fine for me in Chrome 29 on Linux. Be careful with &quot;beta&quot; software :)" CreationDate="2013-08-24T00:38:29.327" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11508" PostId="5808" Score="0" Text="I downloaded and re-installed the current stable version of Chrome (Version 30.0.1599.14 m, apparently) and the problem persists. Running Windows 7 x64." CreationDate="2013-08-24T00:52:29.587" UserId="23300" />
  <row Id="11510" PostId="5808" Score="1" Text="The Chrome Release Blog indicates, as of posting, [version 29.0.1547.57 is latest stable](http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2013/08/stable-channel-update.html). Where did you get 30?" CreationDate="2013-08-24T01:26:23.093" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="11511" PostId="5808" Score="0" Text="I wrongly assumed that the Chrome installer would install an old version over the new version. After fully uninstalling Chrome and reinstalling, I can no longer reproduce this error." CreationDate="2013-08-24T04:11:31.550" UserId="23300" />
  <row Id="11513" PostId="5810" Score="3" Text="It even would be many of good." CreationDate="2013-08-24T19:50:36.203" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11514" PostId="5810" Score="1" Text="...and this appears to be one of the pages we can't edit -- If nobody notices by Monday I'll bug the community folks in TL to fix their atrocious baby-killing grammar :)" CreationDate="2013-08-24T21:39:58.510" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11520" PostId="5813" Score="1" Text="Yup: This is an assessment *you* have to make @tuxi - we can't do it for you. For my part, in environments I manage, I can assess the development possibilities of qmail very easily: *develop* a plan to get rid of it ***ASAP***." CreationDate="2013-08-26T15:52:35.767" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11525" PostId="5814" Score="3" Text="Because taco overflow." CreationDate="2013-08-28T05:59:48.847" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="11517" PostId="5815" Score="4" Text="This is indeed exactly what was happening." CreationDate="2013-08-26T14:20:56.407" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11521" PostId="5817" Score="0" Text="No worries, and thanks for the fix." CreationDate="2013-08-26T16:47:27.177" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="11518" PostId="5818" Score="0" Text="Righteous.  Happy Monday." CreationDate="2013-08-26T15:22:31.373" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="11519" PostId="5818" Score="3" Text="Destroying bad tags ***ALMOST*** makes up for the fact that Mondays still exist." CreationDate="2013-08-26T15:24:05.397" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11522" PostId="5819" Score="4" Text="I have this problem at work, because of a draconian websense proxy." CreationDate="2013-08-27T21:14:09.083" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="11523" PostId="5819" Score="1" Text="any particular question/answer you're having this problem on? Comments *seem* to be working OK so it might just be funky caching, or perhaps an overly &quot;helpful&quot; proxy like Tom suggests." CreationDate="2013-08-27T21:14:44.790" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11527" PostId="5819" Score="4" Text="The I guess it's Fiddler time" CreationDate="2013-08-29T09:32:09.270" UserId="105072" />
  <row Id="11536" PostId="5819" Score="1" Text="I can tell you that IE 10 on Windows 7 x64 and Windows 8 x64 definitely do work. It must be an add-on, or something else in your environment that's causing this. Have you tried starting IE in no-add-ons mode?" CreationDate="2013-09-02T21:34:17.163" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11538" PostId="5821" Score="15" Text="If one of the big boxes says &quot;I'm at home&quot; and clicking it sends them to [su] then I'm all for it." CreationDate="2013-09-03T03:43:04.677" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11539" PostId="5821" Score="2" Text="&quot;Are you at home/work&quot; and work leads to &quot;Do you have an active root privs on any machine connected to your problem, yes/no&quot; with &quot;no&quot; leading to a FOAD link?" CreationDate="2013-09-03T03:44:28.260" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11540" PostId="5821" Score="3" Text="`Are you asking this` - Isn't that already kind implemented with the `Questions that may already have your answer` section that appears when you complete the title or the `Similar Questions` bar that appears when you have sufficient text for context searching the database ? Which is already ignored by (most/many) people." CreationDate="2013-09-03T06:10:28.423" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11541" PostId="5821" Score="0" Text="@Iain - kind of. This is heaps more in your face though. Make them actually dismiss the dialog if they want to bypass it. Although they already bypass the &quot;how to ask&quot; without reading it so.... hmm" CreationDate="2013-09-03T06:16:56.093" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11542" PostId="5821" Score="3" Text="@MarkHenderson: Actually if it could be coded to automagically do a `if ( rep on SO &gt;= rep on SF &amp;&amp; rep on SO &lt;= 100k) then GTFO` then the few remaining people may actually benefit from it" CreationDate="2013-09-03T06:22:41.253" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11544" PostId="5821" Score="2" Text="@Iain I agree with the sentiment, but had 400+ rep on SO before finding SF... So maybe just a reminder that SF is for *Administrators*, and not *Developers*." CreationDate="2013-09-03T13:06:41.660" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11545" PostId="5821" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS: I could live with the occasional false positive ;)" CreationDate="2013-09-03T13:36:08.130" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11555" PostId="5821" Score="0" Text="`copy/pasta` ?? :)" CreationDate="2013-09-03T21:24:35.553" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11557" PostId="5821" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=copypasta" CreationDate="2013-09-03T21:48:28.697" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11558" PostId="5821" Score="1" Text="I see.  Where do you people find the time to learn and institute urbandictionary crap?  Do I need to get a few IT interns for 6 months or something? (just bitter I didn't know it wasn't a typo)" CreationDate="2013-09-03T21:51:05.913" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11559" PostId="5821" Score="4" Text="@TheCleaner - Basically yes. We hired a 30-year-old who is basically a large man-child about a year ago. He keeps me up to date on my slang (he also got me fist-bumping and using &quot;dude&quot;). For the record I'm only 27 but I feel much older :p" CreationDate="2013-09-03T21:52:33.510" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11582" PostId="5821" Score="1" Text="I'm all for anything reducing the deluge of trash that comes in constantly." CreationDate="2013-09-06T19:33:33.003" UserId="9007" />
  <row Id="11543" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="Cool; I might have over simplified it then. I haven't dug into the source code to see what all the branches/functionality is" CreationDate="2013-09-03T07:27:30.597" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11546" PostId="5823" Score="0" Text="Since this is a feature mainly concerning the SF main site (and probably of little interest to other sites, possibly with the exception of U&amp;L.SE and NE.SE), I posted this question to meta.SF." CreationDate="2013-09-03T16:02:42.443" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11547" PostId="5823" Score="1" Text="While I like the idea in principle, have a +1 and all that, I'm not sure I've seen very many people express a wish to share traffic captures with us..." CreationDate="2013-09-03T16:21:48.590" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11548" PostId="5823" Score="7" Text="There are a couple sites that may want this.  http://networkengineering.stackexchange.com/, and http://security.stackexchange.com/ seems like they might occasionally want this." CreationDate="2013-09-03T16:30:04.093" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="11549" PostId="5823" Score="1" Text="@RobM we do occasionally request packet captures - it would be convenient to display them in a nice format. Images are currently hosted through [&quot;an arrangement&quot; with imgur](http://stack.imgur.com) (among other things, our images don't get expired away) -- perhaps a similar &quot;arrangement&quot; could be reached with cloudshark." CreationDate="2013-09-03T16:30:49.170" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11550" PostId="5823" Score="0" Text="It does happen once in a while, usually through a locker service somewhere. I've reviewed a few captures from SF questions. This would make things more convenient!" CreationDate="2013-09-03T17:04:56.917" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="11551" PostId="5823" Score="0" Text="Although people do not &quot;express a wish to share captures&quot;, in many cases captures would add great value to the questions. I would have hoped that inclusion of captures would happen on a more regular, even frequent basis if we had such a facility integrated in the &quot;ask question&quot; form." CreationDate="2013-09-03T17:06:43.173" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11552" PostId="5823" Score="0" Text="Oh don't get me wrong, I support the idea, I upvoted it and all.. I'm just wondering how to justify it as any kind of priority to SO devs." CreationDate="2013-09-03T17:42:27.823" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11553" PostId="5823" Score="0" Text="Perhaps what we should request is an application platform.. so people can write apps to run on the SE platform." CreationDate="2013-09-03T20:10:29.170" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="11554" PostId="5823" Score="0" Text="@RobM It has cool looks. I am under the impression that anything with fancy visuals is getting to the top of the queue speedily as it is a magnet for visitors." CreationDate="2013-09-03T20:11:30.907" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11556" PostId="5823" Score="0" Text="I have shared wireshark screenshots multiple times in questions asking for help, or demonstrating an issue. I think this would be very cool, but I do wonder if that many people will use it" CreationDate="2013-09-03T21:37:48.007" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11560" PostId="5823" Score="0" Text="I'm not convinced this will be overly useful and I can see it now `I have network problem - here my cloudsharkz, pleeez halp k thnks bai`" CreationDate="2013-09-04T07:05:40.230" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11561" PostId="5823" Score="2" Text="Is there a way to obscure/sanitize IPs or FQDNs?  I don't care personally, but there are bound to be people that wouldn't use it unscrubbed even if the IP info was internal LAN info only." CreationDate="2013-09-04T13:39:27.523" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11583" PostId="5823" Score="0" Text="I forgot the most important point - if we had Cloudshark integration, we would be able to provide even more [***valuable advice***](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/3421109#3421109) on @KyleBrandt 's sophisticated networking questions." CreationDate="2013-09-07T09:18:33.647" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11585" PostId="5823" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner you always can sanitize manually before uploading by running it through a [netexpect script](http://netexpect.org/wiki/RewriteAndReplay) or tcprewrite, but obviously, it would be more convenient to have this functionality in Cloudshark itself. As of now, there seems to be no such functionality." CreationDate="2013-09-07T16:35:11.053" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11657" PostId="5823" Score="0" Text="Just a ping to let you know that we didn't forget about this, the devs have just been really busy. We're going to look at feasibility soon." CreationDate="2013-09-25T13:13:33.853" UserId="1661" />
  <row Id="11562" PostId="5824" Score="0" Text="This - send to team@ they'll work with the devs to get it implemented and/or shoot it down :)" CreationDate="2013-09-04T22:45:42.313" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="11573" PostId="5824" Score="0" Text="@Zypher make sure this gets implemented, or I'll hunt you down and ruin your tailgate at the next Eagles game you go to." CreationDate="2013-09-05T16:48:01.630" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11574" PostId="5824" Score="1" Text="@MDMarra HA i prefer to watch football at the bar... Hockey ... now that's another story" CreationDate="2013-09-05T17:31:51.643" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="11584" PostId="5824" Score="0" Text="Done. &lt;!-- blah --&gt;" CreationDate="2013-09-07T09:40:16.017" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11588" PostId="5824" Score="2" Text="Email received - give us a bit of time to see what's involved here" CreationDate="2013-09-09T11:45:43.800" UserId="1661" />
  <row Id="11714" PostId="5824" Score="0" Text="@TimPost Any progress on Cloudshark integration? About to post a question that would benefit from it and I remembered this thread." CreationDate="2013-10-03T22:45:23.793" UserId="130858" />
  <row Id="11716" PostId="5824" Score="0" Text="It's on our feature agenda, our devs are just rather backed up at the moment. It's not falling through the cracks, it's just going to take a bit of time" CreationDate="2013-10-04T05:18:57.683" UserId="1661" />
  <row Id="11563" PostId="5825" Score="4" Text="Taking what you say literally, first people need to demonstrate that they are professionals within the scope of SF. The vast majority of OPs (I would argue) are not so are therefore fair game ;)" CreationDate="2013-09-05T11:50:23.577" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11564" PostId="5825" Score="10" Text="From the Mod point of view, to be clear: We don't see everything that happens on the site. If you see someone acting &quot;out of line&quot; please flag it! We can't be omniscient, we need your help." CreationDate="2013-09-05T13:17:37.137" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11565" PostId="5825" Score="6" Text="I'd say you need a thick skin to interact with the internet in general." CreationDate="2013-09-05T13:43:24.463" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="11567" PostId="5825" Score="5" Text="@TomO'Connor There's certainly a lot of thick people asking questions." CreationDate="2013-09-05T14:16:01.953" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="11569" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="Is there a particular incident or set of incidents you would especially like to call attention to?" CreationDate="2013-09-05T15:21:47.183" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11570" PostId="5825" Score="4" Text="Do you have any concrete examples you can link to which outline what you're speaking about? I don't doubt you, but it's very difficult to address this sort of thing in the abstract." CreationDate="2013-09-05T15:43:15.177" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11579" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="HopelessN00b hasn't been posting comments in quite some time...why bring this up now? ;)" CreationDate="2013-09-06T18:11:06.023" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11566" PostId="5826" Score="0" Text="I agree to a point, but I do think that we should give the benefit of the doubt wherever possible.  Sometimes a questioner is clearly doing something very strange (e.g. with a really old/unsupported version of software), and with no evidence to the contrary we should assume that they have good reasons for doing it." CreationDate="2013-09-05T13:44:06.967" UserId="156599" />
  <row Id="11568" PostId="5826" Score="5" Text="Sorry to say, but having an expectation that people will help you figure out how to develop and deploy a *new* application on a 12 year old version of Linux is just ridiculous." CreationDate="2013-09-05T15:18:33.773" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="11577" PostId="5826" Score="4" Text="@Flup If we have no evidence to the contrary we should assume they want to follow something resembling best current practices. If someone has a *real, valid reason* for doing something terrible it's their obligation to tell us ***why*** they feel they're stuck in that situation (e.g. &quot;We have to use Windows 3.1 because our crappy SCADA system only runs on that.&quot;) -- maybe we can offer them decent alternatives they haven't thought of." CreationDate="2013-09-06T15:41:06.957" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11621" PostId="5827" Score="3" Text="Just a thought - maybe nobody should be horrible to anybody." CreationDate="2013-09-14T15:45:54.143" UserId="144450" />
  <row Id="11623" PostId="5827" Score="1" Text="@platforms - you say that like I have a choice..." CreationDate="2013-09-14T18:22:11.540" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="11640" PostId="5827" Score="1" Text="@platforms - No-- I'd argue that being horrible to be people who deserve it is a good thing. A little less &quot;tolerance&quot; of charlatans, in general, would be a good thing to me." CreationDate="2013-09-17T15:21:04.957" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="11641" PostId="5827" Score="1" Text="Just so I understand, by &quot;charlatans&quot; you mean non-pros asking questions in a pro forum?" CreationDate="2013-09-17T16:36:46.623" UserId="144450" />
  <row Id="11571" PostId="5828" Score="0" Text="All agreed, but I'd like to emphasize one thing, which is the word &quot;colleague&quot; rather than &quot;client&quot;.  Generally, colleagues are allowed to demand a lot less and get humoured a lot less than clients.  Our goal is to build useful reference information, more than to make the asker happy." CreationDate="2013-09-05T16:00:55.793" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11572" PostId="5828" Score="3" Text="@FalconMomot absolutely. Treat people on the site like they're your co-workers, but as if a client is in earshot. (I might tell my colleagues &quot;How the hell did you do this? Were you DRUNK?!?&quot; when there are no clients in the building, but it wouldn't do for the folks who pay the bills to hear us talking like that...)" CreationDate="2013-09-05T16:03:53.583" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11575" PostId="5828" Score="0" Text="Agreed.  A level of tact is never a bad thing - &quot;Maybe this isn't the best way to go, may I suggest *blah blah blah*&quot; vs &quot;You're doing it wrong!&quot;" CreationDate="2013-09-06T05:59:06.263" UserId="168808" />
  <row Id="11578" PostId="5828" Score="0" Text="@AaronMason Tact is often overrated and overvalued. Sometimes a &quot;maybe&quot; is appropriate, but frequently it's not: I'm not going to mince words and pretend that `15 year old Unix, using telnet for management, configured so root can log in remotely without a password, plugged into the public internet` is *ever* acceptable - there's no &quot;maybe&quot;, it's simply Bad And Wrong. Like I said above, I'm not one to spare feelings at the cost of allowing bad things to be done to good computers - you'll find people on both sides of that personality divide on Server Fault though." CreationDate="2013-09-06T15:46:52.437" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11580" PostId="5828" Score="3" Text="+1 - not for your answer, but for using `comportment` and `obsequious`." CreationDate="2013-09-06T18:14:51.757" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11581" PostId="5828" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner I have to break out the five-dollar words occasionally or people forget the time the CS department staged a hostile takeover of the English department's Chaucer class..." CreationDate="2013-09-06T19:03:44.520" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11586" PostId="5828" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 I see what you're saying, but one can apply tact when explaining that what they are doing is bad and wrong. In that situation, I would very calmly point out what a bad idea it is from a security standpoint and point them in the direction of the Right Way(tm). I wouldn't tell them outright because that would rob them of a valuable learning opportunity - but then so would just flatly saying &quot;YOU ARE WRONG!&quot; in my view." CreationDate="2013-09-09T00:11:16.733" UserId="168808" />
  <row Id="11576" PostId="5829" Score="0" Text="Can't see this working - what makes chat here so great is its fluid nature and I don't think people will want to monitor multiple rooms. Additionally, most peoples activity is when they're at work anyway" CreationDate="2013-09-06T13:11:27.233" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="11589" PostId="5831" Score="0" Text="&quot;canonized&quot;, with a &quot;z&quot; =]" CreationDate="2013-09-11T13:01:40.367" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11590" PostId="5831" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Remember Tom is one of those limey bastards." CreationDate="2013-09-11T16:06:15.400" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11594" PostId="5831" Score="0" Text="Does that guy over there know we're discussing this?" CreationDate="2013-09-11T20:58:13.157" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11595" PostId="5831" Score="0" Text="@thatguyoverthere I dunno whether that'll ping him hard enough." CreationDate="2013-09-11T21:43:42.907" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="11596" PostId="5831" Score="1" Text="How many miracles have been attributed?" CreationDate="2013-09-12T00:28:39.367" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="11591" PostId="5832" Score="0" Text="Agreed. If the question is generalized (&quot;What are some advantages of using a reverse proxy in front of a web application?&quot;) and the answer expanded with some more detail on the differences between a reverse proxy and a simple load balancing solution I think this is a good candidate, but it needs work first..." CreationDate="2013-09-11T16:08:21.627" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11592" PostId="5832" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 if it is generalized to &quot;what are *some* advantages&quot;, it becomes subjective, no longer a real problem and thus off-topic." CreationDate="2013-09-11T19:28:15.933" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11593" PostId="5832" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj If it is not generalized it is FAR too specific for canonization. More importantly, &quot;What are some advantages of doing X?&quot; / &quot;Why might I want to consider a configuration like X?&quot; are squarely in the realm of [*Good Subjective*](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/) -- asking for well-reasoned detailed responses that explain the *Why* as opposed to just &quot;What do you like better?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-09-11T20:55:27.880" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11607" PostId="5834" Score="0" Text="Thanks! Will leave it on then...I suppose closed is better than deleted." CreationDate="2013-09-13T11:23:06.460" UserId="143063" />
  <row Id="11597" PostId="5835" Score="2" Text="Yup - that's part of the point behind this -- you can &quot;withdraw&quot; a question at any time by deleting it, but someone asks and deletes tons of questions (because they have a lot of `herp-derp/well-duh` moments) it generates a lot of noise/churn on the site. It takes a pattern for the system to start imposing sanctions, but that's one of several factors it tracks." CreationDate="2013-09-12T18:21:32.930" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11598" PostId="5836" Score="0" Text="http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/" CreationDate="2013-09-12T20:47:26.483" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11600" PostId="5836" Score="1" Text="I disagree with your premise.  That question does not pose a generally useful query.  That question will not generate useful opinion based answers beyond saying that `Benchmarks not specific to your environment are worthless 80-90% of the time`." CreationDate="2013-09-12T21:31:40.303" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="11605" PostId="5836" Score="1" Text="Part of the problem with trying to boil down a hard and fast rule or two for 'good subjective' is that it's impossible to define what a 'good subjective' question looks like. You can say whatever you like about how to deal with a 'good subjective' question and we might all agree but that's not going to help when people aren't certain that a particular question actually is a good question. It seems pointless to over-think solving the first part when the second isn't solvable." CreationDate="2013-09-13T07:25:04.903" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11599" PostId="5837" Score="2" Text="Personally I think the close reason should really reference [Good Subjective, Bad Subjective](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/) directly. The point of this close reason is to close Bad Subjective questions, but it's inviting abuse as a hammer for any question asking for an opinion (even with this improved rewrite)" CreationDate="2013-09-12T21:16:21.137" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11601" PostId="5838" Score="1" Text="Now that we have the stats, how do you intend on using them? Is it based on volume of bad questions, or the percentage? 256 bad questions in 2 months isn't so bad compared to 2,181 bad questions from registered users. That's (at a very rough estimate) about 1/5th of bad questions are from unregistered users. And then what about the 43% that weren't bad questions?" CreationDate="2013-09-13T05:08:05.883" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11602" PostId="5838" Score="0" Text="I'm still thinking about it. The stats are... definitely not quite what I expected." CreationDate="2013-09-13T05:09:50.070" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11606" PostId="5838" Score="3" Text="The majority of people who ask questions on SF have accounts on SO so the results below aren't surprising as SO users have to be registered and we know from revious experience they ask crappy questions too." CreationDate="2013-09-13T07:29:11.747" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11608" PostId="5838" Score="1" Text="Another perspective: If only 448 questions (6%) and 379 answers (5%) have come from unregistered users, then why keep the unregistered route at all? It is pretty clear that registration is not a big barrier to entry in this case. Normally, guest posting, guest reviews and guest checkout etc are used so as to not turn away large proportions of participants (often bigger proportions than registered folks) but in case of SF, that's clearly not the case - most people register anyway." CreationDate="2013-09-13T11:38:27.640" UserId="143063" />
  <row Id="11610" PostId="5838" Score="1" Text="Much, much more importantly, 32% of registered questions being bad is a real slam. Perhaps we are too rigid in closing/deleting questions? Or maybe we don't clarify our guidelines prominently enough? (we ARE pretty different from other SE sites)" CreationDate="2013-09-13T11:43:13.360" UserId="143063" />
  <row Id="11631" PostId="5838" Score="0" Text="@OC2PS: I suspect that the numbers would be higher if we had more people who voted to close. As it is we have &lt;300 and &lt;50 of them use the privilege with any regularity." CreationDate="2013-09-16T16:46:17.203" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11612" PostId="5839" Score="2" Text="Jesus if *down-voted below zero* and moderators deleting questions define &quot;bad&quot; then how to you define &quot;censored&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-09-13T23:52:40.183" UserId="18822" />
  <row Id="11613" PostId="5839" Score="12" Text="Blocked automatically by the quality filter, of course. Also, I'm not Jesus." CreationDate="2013-09-13T23:54:18.740" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="11614" PostId="5839" Score="0" Text="Right, and that's obvious. Jesus would not sit back idle as a faulty quality filter censored my questions." CreationDate="2013-09-14T00:44:13.427" UserId="18822" />
  <row Id="11616" PostId="5839" Score="11" Text="I don't think the fault lies in the quality filter." CreationDate="2013-09-14T04:34:42.923" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11604" PostId="5840" Score="1" Text="It is perhaps not such a bad assumption that if we haven't caused the conditions of &quot;badness&quot; to occur (downvoting, closing, and deleting), the content is considered useful, given our collective propensity to downvote and close." CreationDate="2013-09-13T05:31:21.703" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11611" PostId="5840" Score="2" Text="I think the spread is more significant than the absolute quantity. A 25-point spread on questions isn't terrible (it's not GOOD, but if registered users are screwing up I can't really expect total newbies to get it right). The spread on answers however... ::shudder:: ::walks off mumbling something about &quot;bloody spammers&quot; and &quot;kill everyone&quot;::" CreationDate="2013-09-13T15:34:40.310" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11615" PostId="5841" Score="8" Text="Before y'all get *too* excited over the possibility of a 13% reduction in bad questions, [read this...](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/5377/requiring-registration-to-ask-questions-did-it-made-a-difference)" CreationDate="2013-09-14T01:34:31.817" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="11617" PostId="5841" Score="3" Text="Before y'all get *too* excited over the possibility of a 13% reduction in bad questions, [read this too](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5838/how-many-bad-questions-come-from-unregistered-users-versus-registered-users) (specifically, see now tiny 13% is)." CreationDate="2013-09-14T05:20:32.540" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11619" PostId="5841" Score="2" Text="The 57% actually represents just 4 questions per day. This is dwarfed by the 36 questions per day from registered users." CreationDate="2013-09-14T07:16:30.640" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11624" PostId="5841" Score="1" Text="Does this actually solve the problem on SO however? I see a lot of people there asking bad questions with an account they clearly created just to ask question. Sometimes it looks like the *same* person is creating multiple accounts so they can ask the same question more than once. I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think requiring an account is effective. I wonder if it should be mandatory to have a non-trivial amount of rep before being allowed to ask a question. Maybe you have to answer questions and get upvoted first, or have a high rep on some other stack exchange site." CreationDate="2013-09-15T03:19:28.837" UserId="105982" />
  <row Id="11625" PostId="5841" Score="0" Text="I never said it was a complete solution to all our bad questions. At best it is only a small part of an overall solution." CreationDate="2013-09-15T03:21:11.860" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11628" PostId="5841" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton: Perhaps if you presented the whole set of solutions rathyer than drip feeding them `...`" CreationDate="2013-09-16T16:34:08.973" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11629" PostId="5841" Score="0" Text="@Iain Because it's much easier to make small changes and measure their impact than to make a whole lot of large changes and have no idea what the results are." CreationDate="2013-09-16T16:36:15.230" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11630" PostId="5841" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton: That's not what I asked; but I don't see how you can measure this when it's really noise." CreationDate="2013-09-16T16:38:07.240" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11632" PostId="5841" Score="2" Text="Requiring registration will not change the number of bad questions. You will just be forcing bad users to create bad accounts to ask bad questions." CreationDate="2013-09-16T17:40:23.973" UserId="44441" />
  <row Id="11633" PostId="5841" Score="2" Text="Even if 100% of the questions from un-registered users were good questions, there's a stigma associated with being unregistered.  Seeing `user9324901` screams &quot;I don't really give an ish about your site or your members, just fix my issue.&quot;  While there may be benefit for future views and a possible accept, it carries the air of a perfunctory question, blasted out to multiple Q&amp;A sites in hopes of an answer.  It's human nature to feel more connected to a user here with a &quot;real name&quot; vs. machine generated anonymity." CreationDate="2013-09-16T20:28:47.570" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11636" PostId="5841" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner: Personally I don't care if someone is using a usernnnnnn name or something else but I do care about the quality. Having a usernnnnn name isn't a good indicator of poor quality." CreationDate="2013-09-17T11:23:02.430" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11647" PostId="5841" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure if this question or one of the other questions about &quot;the future of SF&quot; is most relevant, but there's an interesting - and very similar - discussion going on on English.SE about dealing with their version of &quot;questions from non-professionals.&quot;  They went so far as to start another SE site, specifically for people learning English to ask beginner questions, so that only the more advanced questions would stay on the original English.SE  Now they're not sure that worked as well as they wanted and are discussing merging the two sites!" CreationDate="2013-09-20T16:43:34.660" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11648" PostId="5841" Score="0" Text="Here's their meta discussion:  http://meta.english.stackexchange.com/questions/4167/should-we-consider-going-in-the-other-direction-with-elu-and-ell" CreationDate="2013-09-20T16:44:42.203" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11667" PostId="5841" Score="0" Text="Let's grant that requiring registration will have a minuscule effect on the quality of questions. On the +ve side, all the evidence from voretaq7 shog9 and michael-hampton is clear: requiring registration does NOT reduce the number of questions. i.e. all the challenges to effectiveness of this solution are also arguments against potential negative impact on &quot;ease of asking questions&quot;. I'd say let's implement a registration requirement. But set our expectations right - we won't be doing it for reducing bad question but for other benefits - community, participation, tracking, bans, etc" CreationDate="2013-09-26T14:53:23.727" UserId="143063" />
  <row Id="13229" PostId="5841" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 I think it's time to un-defer and revisit this." CreationDate="2014-06-11T16:18:15.140" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11618" PostId="5843" Score="8" Text="If only we could cast the ones that fail into the Chasm of Doom: &quot;What... is your favourite colour?&quot; &quot;Blue!  No, Green!  Aaaaaaahhhh!!!&quot;" CreationDate="2013-09-14T05:59:35.637" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11620" PostId="5843" Score="3" Text="I **think** your answer means the exact opposite of what you mean to say, because of the double negative in the first sentence.   Is your answer in opposition to MDMarra's, or not?" CreationDate="2013-09-14T07:18:57.230" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="11622" PostId="5843" Score="6" Text="I don't not can't understand your first sentence." CreationDate="2013-09-14T18:05:46.757" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="11626" PostId="5843" Score="1" Text="@MadHatter: Bro. Do you even diagram sentences?" CreationDate="2013-09-16T03:58:23.557" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="11627" PostId="5843" Score="1" Text="What double negative? I see no kitten here. :-)" CreationDate="2013-09-16T15:26:30.443" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11634" PostId="5844" Score="1" Text="I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock on the voting being synonymous to 'good' questions. The voting aspect to this site is more of a social experiment than a true measure of quality.  There's also the volume aspect to consider. With so many questions being posted, visibility of a question goes from seen to forgotten really quickly, which also affects votes, number of answers, etc." CreationDate="2013-09-17T00:38:44.337" UserId="44441" />
  <row Id="11637" PostId="5844" Score="0" Text="@Cypher: Serverfault gets just 113 questions/day so they hang around for long enough for a view to be formed on their quality. Contrast this with [so] which gets 7k questions/day and questions are gone before you can see them." CreationDate="2013-09-17T11:26:18.693" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11638" PostId="5844" Score="0" Text="@Cypher I don't put a lot of stock on questions with small votes, but questions with even 10+ votes on this site nowadays is very likely to be a good question.  Ward even made the argument a while back that voting is essential to this site's progress/upkeep." CreationDate="2013-09-17T12:58:20.700" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11635" PostId="5845" Score="6" Text="Whist I agree with you regarding the efficacy of this initiative I disagree with your reasoning. We don't come with an SLA. Real people with real projects and real deadlines should contract with real IT support professionals to get the support that they need." CreationDate="2013-09-17T06:05:46.813" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11639" PostId="5845" Score="0" Text="Why would you argue `&quot;I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock on the voting being synonymous to 'good' questions.&quot;` in my answer above and then state `&quot;There are already mechanisms in place to handle poor quality questions (votes, flags, etc).&quot;`?  Are you stating that only downvoting is worthwhile?" CreationDate="2013-09-17T13:00:34.323" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11642" PostId="5845" Score="0" Text="@Iain, if that is all you got out of my post, then I don't believe I made myself very clear. If I have some time, I'll try to be more explicit." CreationDate="2013-09-18T00:53:18.260" UserId="44441" />
  <row Id="11643" PostId="5845" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner, No, certainly not. I believe what I was trying to say was that while highly up-voted questions are *usually* well written and worthwhile, that's not always the case. Voting on the SE sites tends to follow a combination of popularity of the user, timing, social jest, and quality. [continued]" CreationDate="2013-09-18T01:01:14.980" UserId="44441" />
  <row Id="11644" PostId="5845" Score="0" Text="Then there are those questions that would fall under the good category that just don't seem to receive a whole lot of attention, thus, little voting occurs, and thus, they don't get counted in all these statistical reports that folks like to tout around. In other words, *whilst the vote-count is certainly helpful, it's not the end-all-be-all of post quality.* I hope that was more clear.  :-)" CreationDate="2013-09-18T01:01:37.700" UserId="44441" />
  <row Id="11650" PostId="5847" Score="0" Text="It should be noted that migrations from [SO] to [SF] seem to have been disabled entirely, so not even moderators are able to do a migration. In this special case, the question has been *closed* on [SO] with the specific reason that it would be on-topic on ServerFault. So we had the migrations disabled but now they're pointing fingers at us and encouraging people to cross-post." CreationDate="2013-09-24T12:17:00.573" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11651" PostId="5847" Score="1" Text="@syneticon-dj [SO] moderators can still migrate things here, as far as I know. [Their _3K+ community_, however, cannot](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/3853/126632), which is probably where their custom off-topic message came from." CreationDate="2013-09-24T12:36:18.827" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11652" PostId="5847" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj Yes, SO moderators can still migrate things here, as evidenced by the inbound migration page in the 10k tools: http://serverfault.com/tools?tab=migrated&amp;daterange=" CreationDate="2013-09-24T13:01:22.087" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11653" PostId="5847" Score="0" Text="Oh, I see. So they probably rejected my flags requesting question migration out of lazyness. I have read the reason &quot;migration target has been removed&quot; twice and assumed they were *really* unable to do it." CreationDate="2013-09-24T13:07:17.143" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11654" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="You already have an account, so this wouldn't affect you." CreationDate="2013-09-24T15:27:01.817" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11655" PostId="5848" Score="2" Text="@MichaelHampton - unless he is a bozo and saying that he regularly chooses not to log in and ask questions randomly as &quot;new&quot; users each time." CreationDate="2013-09-24T17:05:59.227" UserId="43197" />
  <row Id="11656" PostId="5848" Score="9" Text="I personally don't think that logging in with an OpenID (e.g. my Google account) wastes any time at all. It's practically effortless. As a matter of fact, StackExchange is one of very few online entities that handle logins in a way that I like." CreationDate="2013-09-24T19:45:06.943" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="11665" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="I haven't &quot;logged into&quot; Stack Exchange in weeks. I'm almost always already logged in and don't have any need to logout. The only time I have to login is when something crazy happens to my browser that invalidates all the cookies. In short, if I need to ask a question, I just ask..." CreationDate="2013-09-26T05:05:44.760" UserId="65253" />
  <row Id="11658" PostId="5849" Score="3" Text="I am very frequently seeing unregistered users who lose their cookies and so lose ownership of their content. I'd turn it on for just that reason alone." CreationDate="2013-09-25T21:38:26.110" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12034" PostId="5849" Score="0" Text="All right, it's time to revisit this. I've just had to kill YET ANOTHER crap question from a guest. It's really getting old." CreationDate="2013-11-19T06:11:59.767" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11660" PostId="5850" Score="1" Text="It's not on?! What's all that &quot;Shown how to ask and skipped&quot; flag that we always see?" CreationDate="2013-09-25T21:45:06.477" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11661" PostId="5850" Score="1" Text="Sure you're not thinking of &quot;/questions/how-to-answer shown and skipped&quot;? There's one for answers too, shown when an answer falls below a certain quality score threshold." CreationDate="2013-09-25T21:52:20.973" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="11662" PostId="5850" Score="0" Text="Ohhh... yeah you could be right" CreationDate="2013-09-25T22:00:48.723" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11666" PostId="5850" Score="4" Text="if they had a primary account on SO and failing to check the box sent them back there ..." CreationDate="2013-09-26T08:12:34.330" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11693" PostId="5853" Score="1" Text="Our current (completely made up) hypothesis is that on a block screen, the percent of people who read *any of it* will be inversely proportional to the square of the number of sentences." CreationDate="2013-10-01T15:40:18.963" UserId="130222" />
  <row Id="11663" PostId="5854" Score="3" Text="Yeah, we're definitely looking to change the default wording - see the last quote (and screenshot) above for what we'd like to try first, and let me know if you have any tweaks." CreationDate="2013-09-25T22:05:35.450" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="11671" PostId="5859" Score="2" Text="Actually, we will help you design your infrastructure. My rate for something like this would be $200USD/h :D" CreationDate="2013-09-26T22:26:07.960" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11672" PostId="5859" Score="1" Text="@MDMarra yes, well the appropriate contact venue for that sort of thing is http://careers.stackoverflow.com -- I trust your profile there is up to date? :-D" CreationDate="2013-09-26T22:27:17.453" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11673" PostId="5859" Score="1" Text="I bid $175 an hour!" CreationDate="2013-09-26T22:38:08.770" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="11674" PostId="5859" Score="0" Text="$174 from this guy!" CreationDate="2013-09-26T22:44:49.870" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11675" PostId="5859" Score="1" Text="$175 and a back massage!" CreationDate="2013-09-26T22:47:10.723" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="11676" PostId="5859" Score="7" Text="$600 ... oh wait i was supposed to go down wasn't I?" CreationDate="2013-09-26T22:48:56.953" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="11681" PostId="5862" Score="5" Text="Frankly, there's so much utter crap and I have so little time to deal with it that I've given up." CreationDate="2013-09-30T20:14:13.127" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="11682" PostId="5863" Score="0" Text="How do we find the stats in your first sentence?  Is it a custom query on the data site?" CreationDate="2013-09-30T20:30:17.830" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11683" PostId="5863" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner - you can't; it's data presented to ourselves as mods (and only about mods)" CreationDate="2013-09-30T21:40:12.627" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11684" PostId="5863" Score="3" Text="+1 for the &quot;naysayer&quot; badge.  More seriously, though, it's true that I also won't vote on questions I don't really get.  I don't feel qualified to do it.  I also don't want to spend my days reading crap questions from ignoramuses or incoherent babbling, so if a question gets an upvote from me, it tends to also get an answer." CreationDate="2013-09-30T21:40:37.943" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11687" PostId="5863" Score="0" Text="I'm with this - it's relatively rare that I downvote, because I've often seen nonsensical (To me) questions get answers." CreationDate="2013-10-01T09:01:18.973" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="11697" PostId="5864" Score="0" Text="`there are ~450 people whose total reputation is &gt;200 out of 139000 people who have used the site` - to me that's a pretty shocking stat.  If you had said total rep &gt; 1k, I might see that, but 200 is so easy to reach even if you just stick around a week.  Course, that said, I would bet for every new question here it is a &gt;80% chance of it being someone that's been a member since &quot;Today&quot;." CreationDate="2013-10-02T13:02:51.357" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11698" PostId="5864" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner: Oops must have been sleepy when I wrote that it's nearer 1500 but sill tiny." CreationDate="2013-10-02T13:09:15.307" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11699" PostId="5864" Score="0" Text="For me, the [all-time rep league stats page](http://stackexchange.com/leagues/2/alltime/serverfault) is saying &quot;200+ | 6,415&quot;. It's not much, but the others seem to be anonymous users. I would think the active base of regular SF users is &lt;&lt; 200, so it is not surprising that we do not see many votes." CreationDate="2013-10-02T15:44:59.513" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11702" PostId="5864" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj: Even better; I must have been drunk and sleepy - looks like I was using the weekly page but you're right the number of truly active people is tiny." CreationDate="2013-10-02T16:01:19.123" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11685" PostId="5865" Score="1" Text="And apparently I only voted about ~900 times last month.  Gasp!" CreationDate="2013-10-01T02:50:48.433" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11686" PostId="5865" Score="1" Text="But I did manage just over 4000 votes across the 5 sites I'm most active on." CreationDate="2013-10-01T02:52:04.033" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11690" PostId="5865" Score="1" Text="Ward, I like the idea of downvoting close reviews, but it'd be nice to be able to vote on them directly on the review page.  Sucks having to open the question itself to downvote it when it is clearly close worthy." CreationDate="2013-10-01T14:16:32.793" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11692" PostId="5865" Score="2" Text="@TheCleaner One of the reasons you can't vote on close reviews is to prevent the downvote dogpile that used to come with the old method of closing questions (&quot;Shame the bad question in chat&quot;) -- the simple closure is perceived as &quot;friendlier&quot; than &quot;Closed and downvoted to -30&quot;. Of course that said there are some real stinkers that need downvoting too..." CreationDate="2013-10-01T15:02:25.350" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11688" PostId="5866" Score="0" Text="On several occasions I've straw polled the first 50 [questions](http://serverfault.com/questions) and when I have done so not less than 55% and as much as 80% of questions are from people who have more reputation on SO than on SF and therefore would not naturally consider themselves System Admins et al (our target audience). Of the remainder some proportion would also not consider themselves sysadmins etc but that can't be determined. This feels about right as in reality there are relatively few sysadmins compared to the number of developers." CreationDate="2013-10-01T12:13:23.183" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11689" PostId="5866" Score="1" Text="As to what drives them here - the general inability to read and think for themselves is my best guess." CreationDate="2013-10-01T12:14:28.483" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11691" PostId="5866" Score="8" Text="Re: people getting defensive about being downvoted, My standard action for anyone discussing voting on the main site is to tell them to take it to Meta, and delete the comment an hour or so later. This is per a mSO discussion a long time ago (I think it was before I became a mod) where the network-wide consensus was &quot;We don't talk about voting in the comments&quot; (No &quot;-1 because you're an idiot&quot;, no &quot;Why was I downvoted?&quot; - it's a Meta discussion about the site mechanics, not the question). I used to give friendly explanations, but that just seemed to encourage MORE whining." CreationDate="2013-10-01T14:59:45.193" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11718" PostId="5866" Score="1" Text="@Iain I consider myself a sysadmin and yet have three times as much rep on SO as SF.  I think this comes from a few things:  I do program frequently, I've been on SO longer (as it's older), and an awful lot of questions end up on SO from programmers trying to do system administration.  There's also the subreddit effect - more upvotes happen on the more popular site." CreationDate="2013-10-05T01:49:23.633" UserId="12214" />
  <row Id="11719" PostId="5866" Score="0" Text="Now that I've thought about it a little more, I came up with another reason: I rarely actively find questions to answer on SE (I usually answer questions I come across while trying to solve a problem), and while programming research almost always ends up with me on SO, sysadmin problems find me on NixCraft, linuxquestions.org, and (mostly) a wide variety of mailing list archives.  Developers and sysadmins seem to look for help in different places, in general, and thus the body of knowledge differs in location as well." CreationDate="2013-10-05T03:55:09.003" UserId="12214" />
  <row Id="11765" PostId="5866" Score="0" Text="@XiongChiamiov: There will always be exceptions. The vast majority of people on SO would not consider themselves sysadmins et al." CreationDate="2013-10-09T13:44:24.537" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11704" PostId="5867" Score="0" Text="Do new users include people popping over the fence from $elsewhere with an account association bonus or will they bypass this because they have 100+ ?" CreationDate="2013-10-02T16:11:45.997" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11705" PostId="5867" Score="0" Text="The association bonus *should* put you past the new user restrictions, @Iain (that's kind of the point). No way to separate &quot;new to the site&quot; and &quot;new to the network&quot; at the moment." CreationDate="2013-10-02T16:29:32.627" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="11706" PostId="5867" Score="0" Text="That's a pity. Most of our (crappy) questions come from people who have it - nice try but as I noted elsewhere new user bad questions amount to only 1/9th of those that come from more 'established' users who produce far more bad questions." CreationDate="2013-10-02T18:49:31.157" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11707" PostId="5867" Score="0" Text="See my edit, @Iain. tl;dr: you're wrong." CreationDate="2013-10-02T19:38:14.380" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="11708" PostId="5867" Score="0" Text="Interesting but that appears to be different from the stats you produced here http://meta.serverfault.com/a/5839/9517" CreationDate="2013-10-02T19:42:54.497" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11709" PostId="5867" Score="1" Text="Different time period, @Iain. Yeah, I should probably stop changing that every time I query for something." CreationDate="2013-10-02T19:44:07.133" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="11911" PostId="5867" Score="0" Text="Shog, how does the low PotNewUsersQuestionsBad number in [your graph above](http://i.stack.imgur.com/9KaW3.png) (&lt;50/week) fit into the 2630 bad questions from 0-rep users within 90 days? This is 4 times the volume we see in the graph." CreationDate="2013-10-22T12:38:53.650" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11913" PostId="5867" Score="0" Text="The percentage column is a percentage - the actual amount is in the &quot;bad&quot; column, @syneticon. Also note that new users are those with &lt;10 rep - I'll see about getting a better breakout in soon, the one there was pretty quick n dirty. Actually... If this is something that interests you, consider posting a new question about it, since this is getting long." CreationDate="2013-10-22T14:42:28.573" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="11696" PostId="5868" Score="5" Text="Lucky for you we skipped a step and saved you having to ask how do I use oom_score_adj after having told you what it was you were looking for ;)" CreationDate="2013-10-02T12:32:36.620" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11700" PostId="5868" Score="0" Text=":D Well, that's true :)" CreationDate="2013-10-02T15:47:34.477" UserId="55378" />
  <row Id="11694" PostId="5870" Score="0" Text="Well, I guess you don't understand me. I'm talking about semantics. I asked 'How can I do?' and you flagged it as a duplicate of 'How do I use a particular tool?'. Those are two different things. And really it's not about this particular question. It's about me not understanding why these two question are a **duplicate**, the **same**. If one had answered &quot;Use oom_score_adj&quot; that would have been a valuable answer. I didn't mention it because I was looking for it! Again: This is about understandig **why** these questions are considered a duplicate on SF. :)" CreationDate="2013-10-02T10:40:03.403" UserId="55378" />
  <row Id="11695" PostId="5870" Score="4" Text="@Scolytus: 2+2=?, 2*2=?, 5-1=? 8/2=? ... lots of apparently different questions have the same answer." CreationDate="2013-10-02T12:28:54.687" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11701" PostId="5870" Score="0" Text="@lain Exactly. And neither is a duplicate of another. As you mentioned, they are *different*. Different questions resulting in the same answer. So what you tell me is that on SF you mark questions resulting in the same answer as a duplicate per policy? That would be a different practice than on other sites." CreationDate="2013-10-02T15:51:36.450" UserId="55378" />
  <row Id="11703" PostId="5870" Score="3" Text="@Scolytus: The focus here is on answers - we get lots and lots of duplicate questions which all have the same answer no matter how they are asked." CreationDate="2013-10-02T16:03:39.663" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11713" PostId="5870" Score="2" Text="@Scolytus &quot;That would be a different practice than on other sites&quot; No, it's the overall guideline for all SE sites, as hashed out on meta.SO." CreationDate="2013-10-03T22:38:23.863" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11710" PostId="5871" Score="0" Text="I think you're right, finding good questions that can be answered well is too difficult. There are too few people who care beyond getting their (mostly crappy) questions answered and too much crap to deal with." CreationDate="2013-10-03T06:02:37.667" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11711" PostId="5871" Score="1" Text="I feel you on your &quot;SCCM question&quot; issue.  I've posted a few questions lately that were well laid out and researched.  No up votes, no answers, no comments.  I don't expect as quick an answer as a question about mod rewrite rules or AD, but I get where you are coming from on that one." CreationDate="2013-10-03T12:57:31.900" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11712" PostId="5871" Score="1" Text="Maybe all us regulars are going about this the wrong way and should just pull up each others accounts and just review/upvote/downvote ourselves.  SF 1%'ers! ;)" CreationDate="2013-10-03T13:03:25.910" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11715" PostId="5871" Score="2" Text="@Iain - Agreed. The good content to crap content ratio here is really poor. But it's really hard to pysche myself up and spend an hour writing a decent question when it receives a single upvote and no comments. I feel like everyone on meta is screaming, &quot;Where is the good content?&quot; but the good content I see out there has one or two upvotes and a comment. This site is [drying up](http://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/11/the-wetware-crisis-the-dead-sea-effect/)." CreationDate="2013-10-04T05:03:46.140" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="11717" PostId="5871" Score="1" Text="Your 3 points hit home with me." CreationDate="2013-10-04T18:36:17.663" UserId="9007" />
  <row Id="11720" PostId="5872" Score="4" Text="I have seen plenty of _blatantly obviously unclear_ questions I could use as counterexamples. But this particular question doesn't seem to qualify, even before it was edited. I'd certainly like to hear from the people who did cast close votes on it." CreationDate="2013-10-05T15:37:12.343" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11731" PostId="5872" Score="5" Text="The more that comments are required for close votes, the less voting will take place. No one should be required to comment; It's one of those lovely management decisions that looks good on a draft board but is terrible in practice." CreationDate="2013-10-07T04:42:34.127" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="11734" PostId="5872" Score="0" Text="I rarely vote &quot;unclear&quot;, because most questions that would be placed in this close reason are often clear enough to ascertain what they meant, but are either dumb questions to begin with or are ESL questions that just take a little patience." CreationDate="2013-10-07T13:13:55.743" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11735" PostId="5872" Score="1" Text="@Wesley the point I tried to make is that &quot;unclear&quot; without specifying the part which is unclear simply does not carry enough information so the question could be acted upon. Also, it seems to see some abuse as &quot;I have no idea what you're talking about, go away&quot;. As it stands, I cannot see the benefit of having this close reason in the list." CreationDate="2013-10-07T21:49:31.100" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11730" PostId="5873" Score="0" Text="The only extra notice we (moderators) get on meta is of the question's existence. We don't get notified of answers unless we asked the question." CreationDate="2013-10-06T05:21:53.073" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11732" PostId="5873" Score="3" Text="+1 for the comment about comments. Mandatory comments encourages the bad, punishes the good, and misses the point." CreationDate="2013-10-07T04:46:55.067" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="11738" PostId="5873" Score="0" Text="I did not really mean to ask for multiple buttons - I've edited my question to clarify this. I can see how a mandatory requirement for comment fields could be circumvented, but I also cannot imagine a situation where a closure as &quot;unclear&quot; would give any constructive feedback to the asker if not accompanied by additional information. It seems we've gone great lengths to compose explanations for something like &quot;off topic&quot;, yet there is something like &quot;unclear&quot; which comes with no explanation altogether." CreationDate="2013-10-07T22:24:23.953" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11723" PostId="5874" Score="1" Text="This is probably also affected by personalization. I see the SF question at #1 and the offending site at #4." CreationDate="2013-10-05T22:05:56.627" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11724" PostId="5874" Score="0" Text="I can corroborate that - and it crossed my mind before, but I expected that Google results were personalized by session/login and not IP (the screenshot above was taken in Chrome's incognito mode, and not logged in to Google). (I did see it in a lower ranking for a previous search, but had used different terms there). It is interesting to note that I am able to reproduce that result order in Chrome (signed in to Google), Chrome incognito mode (not signed in), Firefox (not signed in), both on google.ca and google.com, but not when using a proxy server - so definitely IP based." CreationDate="2013-10-05T23:32:18.637" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="11725" PostId="5874" Score="0" Text="Interestingly enough, also the same results from a different device, not signed in to Google, but other searches still put SF ahead. Probably doesn't help that I clicked that result at some point in Google to see what the site was about." CreationDate="2013-10-05T23:39:03.010" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="11726" PostId="5874" Score="0" Text="Using a clean Firefox configured to use Tor, I see SF at #2 and the offending site at #3." CreationDate="2013-10-05T23:41:20.387" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11727" PostId="5874" Score="1" Text="The odd thing is that I have never noticed this site before (and I am sure I have a lot of queries that lead me to SE every day), but now that I am looking for it, almost every search that finds an SF result also has the other site listed (fortunately, the other site is almost always ranked lower). The domain was only registered a couple months ago." CreationDate="2013-10-05T23:45:52.077" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="12049" PostId="5874" Score="0" Text="I too just noticed this site showing up in my Google results the last 1-2 weeks. Never noticed it there before. I'm always signed into Google when searching." CreationDate="2013-11-25T03:12:05.410" UserId="2518" />
  <row Id="11721" PostId="5875" Score="0" Text="Perhaps someone who knows how to show these ratings to the googlebot could write up a feature request so they wouldn't have beaten SF out in SEO." CreationDate="2013-10-05T22:00:24.307" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11728" PostId="5875" Score="2" Text="The mSO post probably would be ideal (I did see that post actually (my tags were based off it)) - but a) given the name and its specific relevance to SF, it just seemed appropriate to post here. b) I try to avoid mSO and SO in general - even if I use SO as a reference now and again, posting there feels 'foreign' - SF just has a different feel to it). c) mSO isn't the most accessible site - too much noise, too many questions (and a useless search - but at least Google resolves the latter)." CreationDate="2013-10-05T23:57:37.920" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="11729" PostId="5875" Score="0" Text="I just wade into mSO guns blazing. It seems to have worked so far..." CreationDate="2013-10-06T00:11:17.600" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11733" PostId="5876" Score="1" Text="For the record: the question is not mine, but thanks for editing it anyway - it is in a much better readable shape now." CreationDate="2013-10-07T11:09:30.403" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11737" PostId="5876" Score="1" Text="Also, I fully agree with you that &quot;leave open&quot; votes should be more powerful than they are now. Requiring additional close votes for each &quot;leave open&quot; vote should be able to fix the major flaws of the review close queue." CreationDate="2013-10-07T22:14:22.907" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11736" PostId="5877" Score="2" Text="I'v always felt that the &quot;leave open&quot; votes are simply too weak to be able to stand against the close votes. This might be different if &quot;Leave open&quot; votes were automatically converted to &quot;reopen&quot; votes once a question has been closed. Currently, questions tend to be closed quickly but only reopened hesitantly and I think it is a pity if we get proper questions close-voted and the respective users pissed off in the process." CreationDate="2013-10-07T22:11:17.037" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11803" PostId="5877" Score="1" Text="@syneticon-dj Or at least notify everyone who cast a &quot;leave open&quot; vote in the event the question is closed anyway, so they can cast a reopen vote." CreationDate="2013-10-13T02:16:55.183" UserId="57468" />
  <row Id="11740" PostId="5879" Score="8" Text="Not going to get into this particular discussion; just a quick note - the only moderator attention on that question was from someone who answered it; the 5 people that closed it were not moderators" CreationDate="2013-10-08T03:19:47.847" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11741" PostId="5879" Score="0" Text="Where is the moderator overkill here?" CreationDate="2013-10-08T03:24:08.327" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11742" PostId="5879" Score="0" Text="Should be &quot;moderation overkill&quot;, a common problem." CreationDate="2013-10-08T03:58:50.360" UserId="5947" />
  <row Id="11746" PostId="5879" Score="0" Text="@lance Thx for the support, and you are correct re syntax ( on mobile and may not be able to edit)" CreationDate="2013-10-08T14:41:52.110" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11752" PostId="5879" Score="6" Text="So, you post an incomplete question with no useful logs or information, it gets closed, you edit it to be useful, and it gets reopened. Where is the problem?" CreationDate="2013-10-08T20:07:10.920" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11756" PostId="5879" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra See my comment to Chris S post below. The flow you describe is not the flow that happened." CreationDate="2013-10-09T02:22:59.407" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11760" PostId="5879" Score="1" Text="It was closed after your second edit and re-opened after your third edit. The third edit is the one that started making sense. You didn't give anyone enough detail to solve your problem and you're surprised that it was closed? I'm not following the logic here." CreationDate="2013-10-09T02:30:24.267" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11743" PostId="5880" Score="1" Text="Clear signs that SF's doom is nigh, truly." CreationDate="2013-10-08T05:20:45.730" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11750" PostId="5880" Score="1" Text="[tag:dooooooooooomed]" CreationDate="2013-10-08T18:35:18.567" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="11753" PostId="5880" Score="0" Text="@Wesley no questions under this tag yet. This *needs* to be changed." CreationDate="2013-10-08T20:11:50.753" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11755" PostId="5880" Score="1" Text="Chris, I don't think that was the sequence. (Look, I know that is not the sequence, I was there, but I am trying to be diplomatic.) I posted it. There was feedback that the OP was poor. I improved it. I figured it out and answered it, and THEN it was closed. How does any SE site benefit when legit questions and answers get closed because a few users think it might be better on a (very similar) other SE site?" CreationDate="2013-10-09T02:22:09.807" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11758" PostId="5880" Score="1" Text="Doom is closer than you think. I post a straight issue, no games, here on meta of all places, and y'all downvote it? I am just trying to ask about something that struck me as unconstructive, and the very act of asking is punished." CreationDate="2013-10-09T02:25:14.700" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11761" PostId="5880" Score="6" Text="A meta downvote means that you disagree with the asker. Obviously people are disagreeing with your premise. The system appears to be working as designed." CreationDate="2013-10-09T02:30:52.410" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11763" PostId="5880" Score="0" Text="I wasn't there. I'm still not all here. The point of the flags are to be able to bring matters to the attention of the moderators so they can correct problems. You identified a problem, freaked out, and then took steps to correct it. That doesn't generally garner warm fuzzies." CreationDate="2013-10-09T03:41:45.200" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11786" PostId="5880" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj It should be an alias for [doomed](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/tagged/doomed)!" CreationDate="2013-10-10T07:35:09.547" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11745" PostId="5881" Score="0" Text="I am following the documented install steps which include building." CreationDate="2013-10-08T14:39:06.080" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11751" PostId="5881" Score="0" Text="That was never in question." CreationDate="2013-10-08T19:41:07.363" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11754" PostId="5881" Score="0" Text="&quot;http://unix.stackexchange.com/ would have received it well, I think&quot;  So why wasn't it moved there?  If someone makes a mistake and posts to the wrong SE site, they get penalized?" CreationDate="2013-10-09T02:19:20.430" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11757" PostId="5881" Score="0" Text="I couldn't tell you.  As I said, I believe I voted to move it there." CreationDate="2013-10-09T02:23:37.980" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11759" PostId="5881" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the note. But this doesn't help address the OP. The OP is: Why is the community (whoever is voting to close) so aggressive in closing legit threads (and even downvoting this thread, which tries to discuss such behavior) ?" CreationDate="2013-10-09T02:29:21.297" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11762" PostId="5881" Score="3" Text="You mean address the question.  This isn't a forum.  Anyway, no, it doesn't, and you'll find lots of answers all over meta as we've discussed this probably a hundred times before.  Everyone is very tired of talking about it with everyone whose question got closed individually.  See [meta-tag:doomed]." CreationDate="2013-10-09T02:43:59.590" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11744" PostId="5882" Score="0" Text="I am following the documented steps to install redis, which include building." CreationDate="2013-10-08T14:38:13.047" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11747" PostId="5882" Score="7" Text="@samsmith You keep repeating that comment like it changes something -- Frankly we don't care if you're following the *Martha Stewart Guide To System Administration*. your question is still, as Iain noted, `How do I debug this build error?`. While compiling stuff from source may be a common sysadmin task, Server Fault generally doesn't provide technical support for doing so. We did at one point, until the volume of &quot;$thing won't compile -- HALP!&quot; questions from total neophytes became overwhelming. Now, as a result of that abuse, we don't." CreationDate="2013-10-08T15:29:42.747" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11749" PostId="5882" Score="0" Text="@samsmith I hope you fed back the information you discovered to the document maintainer so it (and possibly the build script) can be updated." CreationDate="2013-10-08T17:12:44.730" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11846" PostId="5882" Score="0" Text="@samsmith: You can see this typical SO-family NIMBY argument: &quot;better suited to U&amp;L or (I think) SU or even SO&quot;. So move it to U&amp;L and they chase you to SU, move it there and they chase you further. The problem is that this splitting is useful 50% of times and otherwise a crap. You seem to be hitting the latter a lot." CreationDate="2013-10-16T17:29:29.157" UserId="67996" />
  <row Id="11764" PostId="5883" Score="11" Text="It's clearly not &quot;good questions per day&quot; or it would be single digits." CreationDate="2013-10-09T12:45:57.590" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11766" PostId="5883" Score="0" Text="If you mouse hover over the stat it says: `102 questions per day on average over the last 2 weeks` - I'd presume that to include weekends as well.  Not sure of the exact calculation though." CreationDate="2013-10-09T18:03:21.800" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11767" PostId="5883" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner: yah, it's more the mechanics I'm interested in" CreationDate="2013-10-09T18:04:31.290" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11768" PostId="5884" Score="4" Text="Exactly what is your question?" CreationDate="2013-10-09T19:29:57.240" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11769" PostId="5884" Score="3" Text="FreeNX is a dead project which was last updated 5 years ago and never really usable to begin with. Using such a piece of software violates our &quot;prime directive&quot;: **Professional** system administration." CreationDate="2013-10-09T19:30:27.897" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="11770" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="What is the replacement? Right...I could tell you but I'd have to kill you..." CreationDate="2013-10-09T19:32:20.130" UserId="89002" />
  <row Id="11771" PostId="5884" Score="4" Text="&quot;it is technically located in a home.&quot; &lt;-- It's not described in detail in the help center but we differentiate between &quot;home&quot; the location and &quot;home&quot; the environment. The former is just a location and unimportant, the latter encompasses conduct, expectation, standards, and generally professionalism (or the lack thereof in &quot;home environments&quot;." CreationDate="2013-10-09T19:32:53.963" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11772" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="I've already gotten the memo about binaries and non-repo installs at Cent. The project may not be commercial, but it is professional." CreationDate="2013-10-09T19:34:14.733" UserId="89002" />
  <row Id="11773" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="@xtian: NoMachine NX. It's the original and it works. It's not cheap  though, but there was a limited version usable for one user that used to be free, but I am not sure if this is still the case." CreationDate="2013-10-09T19:36:21.767" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="11774" PostId="5884" Score="1" Text="So the two questions you linked to, didn't have any comments or downvotes when I first looked at them, so what is your problem?  Why do you think your questions are being treated badly?" CreationDate="2013-10-09T19:36:25.127" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="11775" PostId="5884" Score="4" Text="I can't say with certainty, as I haven't downvoted them. But I can guess that your first question reads like a diary entry more than a &quot;question&quot;. The second uses &quot;cuz&quot; and that's reason enough for me to stop reading and downvote a question." CreationDate="2013-10-09T19:36:57.997" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11776" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="Chris S. meet Xtian (Christian) S, What up Cuz! ..." CreationDate="2013-10-09T19:40:26.793" UserId="89002" />
  <row Id="11777" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="Zoredache, I don't know if you can see history but both questions had -2 when I first checked. I didn't say I was being treated badly, I'm saying _my questions_ were get'n s#at on. Right now, everyone seems to me just fine." CreationDate="2013-10-09T19:43:26.073" UserId="89002" />
  <row Id="11778" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="Z, and after taking a peek at your rep., I'd guess there is very little you can't oversight here on servf" CreationDate="2013-10-09T19:44:27.860" UserId="89002" />
  <row Id="11779" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="And I guess Michael wants a _question_. Your wish is my command..." CreationDate="2013-10-09T19:46:18.727" UserId="89002" />
  <row Id="11780" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="`What is the replacement?` - the xfreerdp server looks pretty promising.  It permits RDP access to a X11 instance.  Still has some bugs here and there, but freerdp seems to be the most actively developed GUI remote access tool these days." CreationDate="2013-10-09T19:47:15.663" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="11781" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="@xtian Re: &quot;What is the replacement for FreeNX / NX Technologies?&quot; - that sounds like an excellent question for the main site. There are a lot of options (a few have been mentioned here). If you give us a summary of what you're trying to do and tell us you're trying to replace FreeNX we might be able to point you at alternatives." CreationDate="2013-10-09T19:49:40.220" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11782" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache, I took a quick look and freerdp is available in CentOS EPEL repo: freerdp-1.0.2-1.el6.i686.rpm and, its also available for Arch. The question I _want_ to know about is, given the interoperability issue, which clients work with which servers. Wikipedia has a nice round up of some alternatives, but it doesn't tell mention if any one solution works with another--or that peeps are steamed bout the Freenx fiasco." CreationDate="2013-10-09T20:04:45.227" UserId="89002" />
  <row Id="11787" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="There's a new NX version, which while closed source, kicks ass from my initial experiments. Just worked through my initial windows experiment, ubuntu is next. seriously worth checking out" CreationDate="2013-10-11T02:44:16.613" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="11788" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="Yes. v4. And they do allow 2 free client connections..." CreationDate="2013-10-11T03:00:26.810" UserId="89002" />
  <row Id="11783" PostId="5885" Score="0" Text="IF I think you're all crazy! ehehe" CreationDate="2013-10-09T20:07:53.750" UserId="89002" />
  <row Id="11784" PostId="5885" Score="3" Text="Well, crazier than typical for a bunch of sysadmins who are all at work and therefore can't have our whisky." CreationDate="2013-10-09T20:08:42.197" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11785" PostId="5885" Score="0" Text="&quot;Juice of the Barley for me!&quot;" CreationDate="2013-10-09T20:09:30.300" UserId="89002" />
  <row Id="11790" PostId="5886" Score="0" Text="I wish you'd change the accept back to MichaelHampton's answer so I could vote-whore some more and maybe get a &quot;Populist&quot; badge!  :)" CreationDate="2013-10-11T19:42:28.760" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11801" PostId="5886" Score="0" Text="Well, if you can get the necessary votes, you would certainly merit the populist badge, as I had that answer accepted initially. The question then becomes whether or not changing an accepted answer after the receipt of a badge would impact on it (because, your answer is the correct one at this point, and should be marked accepted). (In other words: a) the algorithm should look at the first accepted answer not the current one, in order to be most fair, b) if the algorithm doesn't do that, I have no issue manually changing my acceptance if I can correct the marking in the future." CreationDate="2013-10-12T22:34:14.920" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="11802" PostId="5886" Score="0" Text="I think there may be a couple exceptions, but most badges, once earned, don't go away.  It'll also be interesting to see if Populist applies when I _was_ the accepted answer for a while.  In any case, this is meta, so it doesn't count as much.\" CreationDate="2013-10-13T00:31:41.990" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11789" PostId="5887" Score="1" Text="Cheers Kyle. What constitutes a new question - does it take migrations in/out deletions etc into account ?" CreationDate="2013-10-11T19:08:09.410" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11792" PostId="5888" Score="0" Text="Do keep in mind that many users often visit the site at a particular time of day.  The asker/closer could just be using the site at the same times?  I know I have closed multiple questions from a single user in the past.  This isn't me stalking them, it is just a coincidence of them asking questions I think don't belong here at a time I am looking at the site." CreationDate="2013-10-11T20:01:18.340" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="11793" PostId="5888" Score="0" Text="No, I'm talking about someone who is going back through a particular users old questions and voting to close those." CreationDate="2013-10-11T20:07:48.517" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11794" PostId="5888" Score="4" Text="Granted, I'm the one going through and closing the crap from the user, but that's what the review queue is for. If you think the questions should be left open, I encourage you to vote to do so. That's why it takes 5 votes to close. Personally, I think tha user posts crap so frequently that they're abusing the system and many of them should simply be outright deleted." CreationDate="2013-10-11T20:29:14.467" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="11795" PostId="5888" Score="4" Text="@Magellan: I absolutely don't understand how you come to this conclusion. That users' question are usually clearly formulated, well formatted and easy to understand, she answers requests for clarification and  votes and accepts answers. Granted, some questions are on the noobish side and maybe could be self-solved with a little bit more of google-fu, but I prefer those questions over 99% of the random crap by user0815 any day." CreationDate="2013-10-11T21:21:14.743" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="11796" PostId="5888" Score="3" Text="@SvW You address one of my issues perfectly. If a question can be solved by a simple Google search with a quoted string, it's too elementary for ServerFault and needs to be punted. 80% of what I flagged *I* feel falls under the category of n00b question. If you disagree, you *ALL* are free to disagree and vote accordingly." CreationDate="2013-10-11T22:59:27.900" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="11798" PostId="5888" Score="4" Text="@Magellan Your comments here and in chat have pretty much convinced me... I accept that you're voting reasonably even if I vote differently on a fair # of the ones you've voted to close.  If you feel like it, you could compile a few of your thoughts into an answer and I'll probably accept it.  If you don't want to bother, I'll try to compile something and answer myself." CreationDate="2013-10-12T03:04:59.210" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11791" PostId="5889" Score="0" Text="In this case, it'd have to be a close-vote time-out, not a /Reviewing time-out, since it's the initial close vote that may be serial." CreationDate="2013-10-11T19:54:29.393" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11797" PostId="5889" Score="0" Text="@Ward I fail to see how this might present a problem which would be going beyond the inherent shortcomings of the review system and question closures. A single close vote will not have immediate negative impact on a question. Moreover, questions with accepted answers tend to only rarely attract additional answers, so there can't be much harm in getting them closed. The only potential source of trouble seems to be the chance of a question ban for the asker, but as the algorithm for this process is opaque, I would not start discussing the consequences before we really see such a case." CreationDate="2013-10-11T23:49:40.100" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11799" PostId="5889" Score="1" Text="@syneticon-dj The potential problem that arises is &quot;pile-on voting&quot; - much like with downvotes, a question that has 2+ close votes attracts more, sometimes regardless of the question's actual quality. There's no problem with closing *bad* questions, but if a substantial number of **good** questions get caught up in the frenzy it's bad for both the user (mixed message / harassment) and the site (good questions are closed)" CreationDate="2013-10-12T03:19:43.830" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11800" PostId="5889" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 this is what I would consider a problem inherent to the current review system. While it certainly needs to be fixed, the workaround would not be to tell people off for casting the first vote." CreationDate="2013-10-12T07:04:42.090" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11823" PostId="5889" Score="0" Text="It is a very bad thing. Such a moderator is causing discrimination against the user - effectively, a different standard is applied to him/her than to others. Skewed, partial application of a judicial/evaluative process is recognized as a gross abrogation of individuals' rights." CreationDate="2013-10-16T10:19:32.863" UserId="113898" />
  <row Id="11849" PostId="5889" Score="1" Text="@einpiklum sorry but where is there moderator involvement here?" CreationDate="2013-10-16T21:21:07.063" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11851" PostId="5889" Score="2" Text="@einpoklum You don't have the slightest idea what you're spouting off about. Try learning how the Community actually works before slandering others." CreationDate="2013-10-16T22:23:40.180" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="11869" PostId="5889" Score="0" Text="@Magellan: I was making a purely abstract point, certainly not slandering anyone." CreationDate="2013-10-17T08:53:30.813" UserId="113898" />
  <row Id="11804" PostId="5890" Score="6" Text="I typically only see rudeness to people who have been rude first; such as people who put no effort into their question (not searching first, just dumping a whole log without explanation, typical &quot;Do my job for me&quot; questions) or by people who take offense to people telling them that they're way off track and doing it wrong. Can you provide some examples?" CreationDate="2013-10-14T21:00:49.297" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11805" PostId="5890" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson Surely you would agree that even that violates *&quot;Always be polite...&quot;*.  One can choose to remain silent and allow the question to go unanswered vs resorting to rudeness.  As to the examples, I'm still considering that, I'm just not one of those &quot;name names&quot; type of people." CreationDate="2013-10-14T21:04:29.187" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="11806" PostId="5890" Score="8" Text="Please provide examples; what I consider rude othr people certainly don't and vice versa." CreationDate="2013-10-14T21:09:01.350" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11807" PostId="5890" Score="6" Text="These types of issues are incredibly difficult to address in the abstract. Please provide specific examples so that they can be addressed, lest this question begin to collect a mountain of downvotes." CreationDate="2013-10-14T21:09:02.877" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11808" PostId="5890" Score="6" Text="@Colyn1337 ServerFault isn't quite like the other SE sites. We get a deluge of sorely underqualified questions and if we don't address/remove them immediately, we run the risk of alienating the actual professionals that come here. It's not a matter of turning the other cheek." CreationDate="2013-10-14T21:10:30.607" UserId="102390" />
  <row Id="11809" PostId="5890" Score="3" Text="@Colyn1337 Telling people to go and do some research (up to and including comments saying &quot;This was the first result on Google!&quot;) is not &quot;rude&quot;. If that's what you're referring to I'm afraid the general sentiment of the community is &quot;Deal with it.&quot; [We don't want the terminally lazy here.](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5475) Beyond that there is no point in discussing this matter ***yet again*** without some specific examples. Please provide some or I will [close this as a duplicate later this evening](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1898/getting-a-bit-too-snarky/1901#1901)" CreationDate="2013-10-14T21:20:55.173" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11810" PostId="5890" Score="3" Text="Colyn, before you ask (even though I wasn't one to downvote it), downvotes here aren't the same as on the main site.  It means they were disagreeing with your premise/post.  You should really post examples, even if those examples are in regards to someone here in this &quot;thread&quot;, otherwise you aren't going to really get anywhere.  The high rep users have thick skins, they'll be alright if you cite them as the example you are referring to." CreationDate="2013-10-14T21:20:58.983" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11811" PostId="5890" Score="3" Text="Also, for what it's worth, hanging out in the chat room is no guarantee of leniency. Obviously we can't name names, but we've had to give a slap on the wrist or even suspensions to many high-rep users for any number of things over the years, even to those who hang out in chat. We don't like giving *anyone* a slap on the wrists or a suspension, but we do it when we need to." CreationDate="2013-10-14T21:35:17.697" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="11812" PostId="5890" Score="0" Text="@all - The responses I've read here have convinced me examples aren't necessary.  If they were, I wouldn't see comments here attempting to justify the behavior I'm speaking out against.  It also concerns me that this issue has been brought up in the past.  This has also helped me to learn that some of those who violate the politeness rule are here on this thread.  Before you close it, could you please advise who manages the moderators and how to contact that person.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2013-10-14T21:48:08.287" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="11813" PostId="5890" Score="6" Text="@Colyn1337 There is a **contact us** link in the footer of every page on the site. It details how you can contact stack exchange employees directly. That said, it's unfortunate that you won't provide specific examples. That's like me walking into my HR department and telling them that an employee is harassing me, but I don't tell them any other details. How is the issue going to be resolved without you providing examples? It seems silly to complain if you're unwilling to discuss the actual issue(s) you're complaining about." CreationDate="2013-10-14T21:53:41.267" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11814" PostId="5890" Score="0" Text="I'll take it up with the stackexchange staff directly.  Thank you all for your time and responses." CreationDate="2013-10-14T21:56:26.973" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="11815" PostId="5890" Score="8" Text="@Colyn1337 Making claims like &quot;If they were, I wouldn't see comments here...&quot; is a [logical fallacy](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof). We certainly have a few members who like to play hop-scotch with &quot;the line&quot;, but they're regularly banned, and only allowed back because the community allows it. If you see &quot;rudeness&quot; please *Flag* it. If you think the moderators aren't dealing with the offenders appropriately please feel free to contact the SE Staff. But I'll warn you they aren't receptive to people who haven't made real efforts through the provided mechanisms." CreationDate="2013-10-14T23:14:24.803" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11817" PostId="5890" Score="4" Text="I can't help thinking that making unsubstantiated claims and accusations is, ironically, somewhat rude in itself." CreationDate="2013-10-15T07:10:27.057" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11819" PostId="5890" Score="5" Text="Considering your great lack of examples, I thought I'd collect some of the opposite: &#xA;http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/127?m=11219345#11219345 http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/127?m=11509147#11509147 http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/127?m=8020682#8020682&#xA;http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/127?m=8703110#8703110&#xA;http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/127?m=8726140#8726140&#xA;http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/127?m=9635959#9635959&#xA;http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/127?m=9859621#9859621&#xA;http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/127?m=9918309#9918309" CreationDate="2013-10-15T14:23:35.937" UserId="130858" />
  <row Id="11820" PostId="5890" Score="6" Text="Nobody in chat is shy about calling someone out for being rude. They quite often _ask_ if they were being too mean. Granted, you'll probably see people ripping on the user in the chat transcript, but definitely not on the main site. As for regulars not getting slapped: http://serverfault.com/users/118258/hopelessn00b He never came back after his suspension. And just recently this was brought up on meta: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5888/serial-close-voting as a direct reaction to what a regular in chat was doing. I'd say being a regular in chat makes you more likely to get called out." CreationDate="2013-10-15T14:28:31.123" UserId="130858" />
  <row Id="11821" PostId="5890" Score="4" Text="Sometimes the truth isn't nice... And the right answer isn't the one you want. Especially if your in a community that expects a certain level of thought and effort to be put into a question." CreationDate="2013-10-15T21:11:10.300" UserId="139868" />
  <row Id="11852" PostId="5890" Score="1" Text="Is all this over the &quot;`/etc/mtab`&quot; answer? (Deleted answer to [this question](http://serverfault.com/q/545933/50647).) I wasn't trying to be rude, but you wouldn't listen to reason and just kept providing some vague hypothetical as justification for a band-aid fix." CreationDate="2013-10-16T22:43:15.077" UserId="50647" />
  <row Id="11854" PostId="5890" Score="1" Text="@AaronCopley more likely this one given the timeframe: http://serverfault.com/a/545514/10472" CreationDate="2013-10-16T23:00:54.183" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11870" PostId="5890" Score="0" Text="Well, in that case.. I'll be showing myself out now." CreationDate="2013-10-17T14:01:00.057" UserId="50647" />
  <row Id="11871" PostId="5890" Score="0" Text="I'm not going to comment on assumptions made by others.  However I will say that the examples I'm handing over to SE do not involve me.  @AaronCopley, I actually wanted to thank you, but I couldn't figure out a way to contact you.  The discussion I had with you was positive and convinced me that what I suggested shouldn't be offered early.  I hold the dialog as positive and in the best spirit that this site was intended.  I don't think you have enough rep to see the final comment I left on that answer, unfortunately." CreationDate="2013-10-17T14:58:52.737" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="11887" PostId="5890" Score="0" Text="No, I just noticed it was deleted so I must have missed it. I was afraid given the timeline that I was the cause. Sorry, about your experience elsewhere on the site." CreationDate="2013-10-17T17:48:25.353" UserId="50647" />
  <row Id="11816" PostId="5891" Score="0" Text="Yup. The history of The Comms Room is replete with examples of the mods giving &quot;high-rep users&quot; a stern talking-to about being nice. In fact an examination of Server Fault's history will show that when high-rep members of &quot;the in crowd&quot; cross the line (either stepping way over on one occasion, or constantly dancing *on* the line) the moderators will suspend even some of our most useful contributors from the site. Moderation is not personal: Everyone's wrists get slapped the same." CreationDate="2013-10-15T02:33:39.563" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11818" PostId="5891" Score="0" Text="Agreed @voretaq7 - I've seen multiple high rep users get a hand slapped from time to time.  I've even been given one when I posted a sarcastic lmgtfy link (albeit I truly didn't know they weren't allowed).  People are people...they aren't going to act perfect, especially online." CreationDate="2013-10-15T12:59:48.140" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11856" PostId="5892" Score="1" Text="Wouldn't an unintended side effect of this be question banning the user? The system is nebulous enough that we never know when it'll happen" CreationDate="2013-10-16T23:25:22.533" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="11857" PostId="5892" Score="2" Text="It's possible. I don't know how it works either. Perhaps there needs to be more repercussion for primarily posting questions that more closely resemble a steaming pile." CreationDate="2013-10-16T23:29:40.507" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="11905" PostId="5892" Score="1" Text="If one person (M) casts an initial vote to close and then a lot someone's (S) questions do get closed, leading to them being question banned, that's probably a good thing.  If a bunch of /Reviewers end up closing enough of S's questions to get S banned, then S should either ask better questions or contribute more answers." CreationDate="2013-10-20T16:42:05.487" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11822" PostId="5893" Score="8" Text="Personally I don't think we're sufficiently trigger happy.This has lead to an archive of google material that now attracts far too many hapless, clueless people who can't bet bothered to read for themselves and hence ask even crappier questions drowning out the (very) occasional good one. If we'd been ruthless at the start perhaps we wouldn't have had this problem." CreationDate="2013-10-16T06:16:34.613" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11825" PostId="5893" Score="1" Text="Ahh yes, blame the victim. Sure to make a lot of new friends. (And so welcoming!)" CreationDate="2013-10-16T14:43:11.650" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11826" PostId="5893" Score="9" Text="We're not trying to make new friends. We're trying to attract people who know what they're talking about. Inviting in all the people who *don't know what they're talking about* is exactly what drives away knowledgable people who don't want to have to repeat themselves a million times every time a new spoollicker can't be bothered to read what has been written before. Are we helping the &quot;victims&quot;, absolutely not - but your &quot;victims&quot; are selfmade." CreationDate="2013-10-16T14:59:32.457" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11827" PostId="5893" Score="11" Text="@samsmith: The knee-jerk &quot;blame the victim&quot; claim is a hallmark of the overly PC 1990s USA. Stating that poverty exists is not the same as calling the poor lazy bastards for not pulling their weight. Similarly, Iain's statement that the site has questions that are misrepresenting the purpose of SF is not the same as calling you an ignorant chump for daring to disagree." CreationDate="2013-10-16T15:00:34.373" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="11839" PostId="5893" Score="8" Text="Guys - this is starting to collect delete votes. Let's not do that. I disagree with this user's stance, so I have downvoted, but I don't think that means that it should be deleted." CreationDate="2013-10-16T16:38:15.103" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11875" PostId="5893" Score="1" Text="Agreed.  Deletion is a little too much like censorship for my liking; leaving it open maximises the community's opportunity to offer feedback (by voting)." CreationDate="2013-10-17T15:19:01.690" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="11847" PostId="5894" Score="5" Text="They have different scopes, you might as well advocate combining [French.SE] and [German.SE] because they're both Language sites." CreationDate="2013-10-16T18:33:27.917" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11848" PostId="5894" Score="0" Text="On UL you can keep track. SF has just too many questions per day, so I would rather vote for creating a Windows-Server branch to diversify SF further." CreationDate="2013-10-16T21:13:08.410" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="12419" PostId="5894" Score="1" Text="@ChrisS French and German don't have the same level of overlap as 'Production servers' and 'Linux and Unix'." CreationDate="2014-02-17T12:37:59.610" UserId="22842" />
  <row Id="12420" PostId="5894" Score="0" Text="@mikemaccana You should probably go read [SF]'s scope before making any more comments that sound ignorant." CreationDate="2014-02-17T14:32:35.187" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11853" PostId="5896" Score="5" Text="How do you know that it was one person? I think that SE developers are the only ones that can tell that, right? I don't believe that mods can even see vote activity of a user." CreationDate="2013-10-16T22:57:26.073" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11855" PostId="5896" Score="1" Text="The fact that the downvotes took place over a period of hours means that they probably *weren't* all downvoted by the same person." CreationDate="2013-10-16T23:19:10.813" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11858" PostId="5896" Score="2" Text="3 of them *might* have been." CreationDate="2013-10-16T23:46:08.573" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11866" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="@FalconMomot No, if you look at those downvotes on the OP's profile now, the votes were cast yesterday at 22:41, 17:30, 16:45, 16:44.  So maybe 2 were cast at the same time by the same person, but that's it." CreationDate="2013-10-17T04:07:14.137" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11867" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="Ok, yes, they probably weren't." CreationDate="2013-10-17T05:38:35.930" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11868" PostId="5896" Score="3" Text="This wasn't detected as a case of serial downvoting, so I've reopened the question. Also, mods _can_ see voting activity correlated between users and IP addresses, and there was nothing that stood out here." CreationDate="2013-10-17T05:47:30.800" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11885" PostId="5896" Score="3" Text="@MichaelHampton You are correct. It was not detected as serial downvoting. However, if you look at my reputation history over a few months, you can clearly see 6 downvotes on dormant threads that strongly appear to be retaliation for my posts/comments here on meta." CreationDate="2013-10-17T16:28:53.967" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11886" PostId="5898" Score="0" Text="Ward, I revised the OP." CreationDate="2013-10-17T16:30:51.820" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11889" PostId="5898" Score="9" Text="Whether it's 4 downvotes in one day or 6 over two days, my last point applies: if you call attention to yourself here on meta (as you did, not just with your last couple questions, but with your recent answers and comments on old meta questions), people are likely to look at your posts on the main site to get an idea of who you are.  It does seem that the downvotes are connected to your posts here on meta, which sucks a bit, but it's only 12 points.  No one's going crazy and downvoted everything they can find that you've ever posted." CreationDate="2013-10-17T23:29:42.320" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11903" PostId="5898" Score="1" Text="Ward's point about drawing attention to yourself is correct. Sometimes this works in your favor, and sometimes it doesn't. It wouldn't be entirely true to say that there is no perception bias in play (i.e. they have more/less forbearance based on the original post that they linked in on), but it's business as usual." CreationDate="2013-10-19T05:26:50.953" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="11872" PostId="5899" Score="7" Text="I can still read the question and I don't see any snark in the comments at all. It's unfortunate that people get 'promoted' (or dumped on) without having the (basic) skills to do the job in hand but companies can't expect to get everything for free. Madhatters advice about getting some education is entirely sound and more people need to realise that." CreationDate="2013-10-17T15:04:07.693" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11873" PostId="5899" Score="7" Text="I can assure people that snark wasn't intended.  I personally think that wandering onto the site, posting a question, and having it closed with no feedback it all is more demoralising than having some human interaction, so when I voted to close it, I felt obliged to offer some sort of feedback.  This site exists to help people, sure, **but not all people, nor all the questions they might wish to ask**.  I'm definitely not authoritative about what's on topic, and what's not, but the three close votes collected in so short a time suggests I might not be alone in feeling that his question wasn't." CreationDate="2013-10-17T15:08:22.837" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="11874" PostId="5899" Score="1" Text="Doug, if I'd felt his question could have been improved by a rewrite, I'd've tried to help.  But the OP, by his own admission, knows next to nothing about networks.  I didn't feel this was a question that rewriting could have improved." CreationDate="2013-10-17T15:13:00.093" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="11876" PostId="5899" Score="4" Text="That question is essentially &quot;how do I expand my DHCP scope?&quot; Very borderline on whether or not that's an acceptable question. Would you think bicycles.se would be a good place to ask how to put air in your tires? It's a problem we face with quality content lately. When SF started, there were marvelous architectural question, lots of very high-level and very detailed discussion amongst professionals in the field. Now it's turned into a place where a high rep user like myself isn't learning much from the content. I'm simply an answerer to others and that gets old." CreationDate="2013-10-17T15:30:55.203" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11877" PostId="5899" Score="2" Text="(continued) so there's been a backlash against very basic questions like this from people that *used to* get a lot more out of the site than they do now, like myself. It's unfortunate, because some of us have started to leave and the &quot;high end&quot; of the site that used to exist is shrinking while the majority of new questions are entirely googlable or off-topic, which is a shame. I like to share knowledge and give to the community, but with the mountain of terrible and very basic questions lately, there's not a lot that I'm getting back. I think that leads to some of the backlash against easy Qs." CreationDate="2013-10-17T15:32:09.540" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11878" PostId="5899" Score="0" Text="My intention is not to pick on you specifically @MadHatter, but for me it is a good example of how newbies are treated in general on this site.  According to Iain this treatment is fine and its ok to reject questions (and people) like this.  But to me, you would not see that type of response on Stack Overflow and most other SE sites.  It is probably a good reason why there has been a steady decline in SF usage." CreationDate="2013-10-17T15:32:19.910" UserId="5391" />
  <row Id="11879" PostId="5899" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra &quot;Discussions&quot; are not allowed on the site so I don't think you will ever see a lot of that content here.  There's only so much you can do within the Q&amp;A format." CreationDate="2013-10-17T15:35:45.757" UserId="5391" />
  <row Id="11880" PostId="5899" Score="0" Text="Doug, understood, and thank you for the clarification (though I still don't think I treated the OP badly).  But what makes you think there's been a &quot;steady decline in SF usage&quot;?  My vague understanding from the Powers That Be is that it's been expanding steadily, and arguably that's been causing some problems - possibly even this problem." CreationDate="2013-10-17T15:37:58.677" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="11881" PostId="5899" Score="5" Text="Discussion was a poor word choice there, but it's undeniable that in the 2009-2010 era, the majority of the questions were much more advanced than they are now. I'm in the top 5 for rep on SF, I understand the difference between Q&amp;A and discussion. Perhaps it's because of the google pagerank now compared to 2009, which is driving more googlers here than high-quality sysadmins looking to form a community. Back then it seemed like a lot more people wanted to be part of a community. Now people seem to want to leave a drive-by question rather than reading the docs themselves, lowing the quality." CreationDate="2013-10-17T15:38:17.697" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11882" PostId="5899" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter, I will also add that your comments were not &quot;snarky&quot;, but this is the only open question on Meta discussing this topic.  SF traffic may be expanding, but the # of questions is declining and it seems anecdotally that the voting is too." CreationDate="2013-10-17T15:39:58.357" UserId="5391" />
  <row Id="11883" PostId="5899" Score="2" Text="And also &quot;good subjective&quot; questions are allowed, which are the exact kind of questions that we're missing. Something like [How should an IT department choose a Linux distro](http://serverfault.com/q/461271/10472) is a recent example of the type of &quot;good subjective&quot; question that used to generate excellent content here. Now there are a thousand &quot;how do I give my scope more addresses?&quot; for each of them. The signal-to-noise ratio for good sysadmins wanting to further their professional knowledge is terrible right now, partially because of the type of question that you linked to," CreationDate="2013-10-17T15:42:19.563" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11884" PostId="5899" Score="0" Text="Could someone please post the comments, and possibly the question, here?" CreationDate="2013-10-17T16:27:24.543" UserId="186915" />
  <row Id="11888" PostId="5899" Score="0" Text="&quot;But to me, you would not see that type of response on Stack Overflow and most other SE sites.&quot;  Based on seeing the exact same complaints on meta.SO (about &quot;rejecting&quot; questions), I'd have to assume you do see that type of response on SO.  I don't follow a lot of other technical SE sites, but I've also seem the same thing on EE.SE and to some extent on Physics.SE" CreationDate="2013-10-17T23:23:40.887" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11900" PostId="5899" Score="1" Text="I read the question and I think it has a place here on SF.  It's not great, and probably deserves a downvote unless expanded/revised, but not sure if it is close worthy.  The biggest issue I see is that the OP needs to understand if those 20 additional addresses are in use somewhere else before expanding the scope.  If it's Windows DHCP, then answering how to expand it is simple enough.  While it may be a basic question, there are PLENTY of basic questions from years gone by here.  I get everyone's arguments here, but I think this question could probably have been helped along and stayed." CreationDate="2013-10-18T13:54:37.493" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11901" PostId="5899" Score="1" Text="@dcaswell I've posted a screenshot. @others the question is ***not*** about &quot;how to expand the DHCP scope&quot;. It is about the possible implications of doing so. Folks really should develop the habit of actually *reading and understanding* a question prior to hitting the `close` link underneath." CreationDate="2013-10-18T19:59:51.090" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="11902" PostId="5899" Score="0" Text="Further to my earlier comment, here's a recent post on meta.SO about essentially the same thing (&quot;why is everyone on SO so mean&quot;) http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/202168/why-is-stack-overflow-and-stack-exchange-in-general-so-scary-and-filled-wit" CreationDate="2013-10-18T20:00:29.433" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11904" PostId="5899" Score="4" Text="@syneticon-dj are you seriously defending that question? To answer it, you would need to either be in that user's environment or be a mind reader. Would you care to explain how that question is valuable or topical to the Server Fault community? (Also, the fact that he brings up superscopes and VLANs *does* indeed lead me to believe that it's about the act of adding 20 addresses, but if we really have to argue over what the question is actually about, isn't that another sign that it's not a very good question?)" CreationDate="2013-10-20T00:42:24.703" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="11906" PostId="5899" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra I really think it should not be closed, yes. I never considered decisions about what's valuable for the community to be my job here, I am just answering questions I feel qualified to answer and asking questions I believe might get answered. Also, I do think that newcomers should be cut some slack - which appears to be working rather poorly lately." CreationDate="2013-10-21T13:50:56.460" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="21736" PostId="5899" Score="0" Text="I like this answer, anyone who can say when they started out didn't have questions and when you went to a senior to ask for help they would tell you &quot;Hey you suck at your job&quot; Doug Luxem made the only comment needed, tell them why the question is bad and what needs to be added to fix. If the OP does not add any content then move on." CreationDate="2017-01-17T20:56:40.573" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="11892" PostId="5900" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the nice write up. I still get the feeling that the bar on SF is just too high. I am a professional, very experienced sysadmin, but I do very little screenos work. Screenos generally is wonderful. But the vpn setup has always, for me, been tedious. (I have done it maybe ten times, once every several months.) I post a reality check question, got a useful answer. And the community, essentially, thinks I should take my question elsewhere. If only full time screenos admins can post &quot;good&quot; questions on SF, where do the rest of us go?" CreationDate="2013-10-18T04:21:25.057" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11893" PostId="5900" Score="6" Text="@samsmith - One certainly does not need to be an expert on a topic to formulate a good question on that topic. Asking good questions is a skill like any other, one that can be improved and honed over time. It has nothing at all to do with the subject at hand. I know quite literally nothing about IIS, for instance. If I needed to use it, though, I could come up with any number of well-researched, well-scoped questions about it. This is the standard that professionals should live up to, if not strive for." CreationDate="2013-10-18T04:55:31.333" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11895" PostId="5900" Score="2" Text="@samsmith if you spend any time at all browsing the front page for questions to answer you will see that the bar is set very low and sadly many people fail to reach it." CreationDate="2013-10-18T07:47:09.003" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11896" PostId="5900" Score="0" Text="@samsmith - Honestly, again, the downvote wasn't because you weren't an SME on ScreenOS.  The downvote concept for VTC questions is to help remove questions from the archive that aren't really &quot;answerable&quot;.  The good thing is that nothing is unchangeable.  If you want to reword your question so that it isn't looking for opinions and you have specifics...something like &quot;I've looked into NSM but don't want to pay for it, is there a way to grab some ScreenOS cli templates or similar that would allow me to deploy ScreenOS VPNs quicker than going through the GUI screens and trying to remember..." CreationDate="2013-10-18T13:14:38.290" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11897" PostId="5900" Score="0" Text="(continued)...what to put in each field, etc.?&quot;  At that point I think you would probably be ok.  The way the question was worded IMO was really too open ended.  The answer itself didn't answer the question, it was more like &quot;here's how most VPN's go&quot;.  I digress mate, I've got nothing against you.  I think any open discussion here on Meta is worthwhile, and if you believe your stance is right here on Meta stick with it and keep your convictions.  My downvote was strictly based on the question as I saw it at the moment I did the downvote.  If it hadn't been voted to close I would have..." CreationDate="2013-10-18T13:18:45.683" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11898" PostId="5900" Score="0" Text="(continued) ...never saw it to be honest since it was so old.  Why someone found it to begin with and was the first to vote to close it is beyond me...that might be addressed here, not sure." CreationDate="2013-10-18T13:20:04.657" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11899" PostId="5900" Score="1" Text="OH, btw...fwiw I think the bar is set a little too high as well here, but I also don't make the rules.  Shopping questions for instance I think have a place here at times (hence my Area 51 beta).  I do get our high rep users take though as well that the more we get deluged with &quot;basic/jr. questions&quot; the more that we end up losing SME's on here as they won't want to participate in just simple questions and won't feel that they can ask questions here and expect an expert high/end answer.  It's a conundrum that has been discussed in Meta quite a bit lately, with no great answer/compromise yet." CreationDate="2013-10-18T13:25:41.883" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11907" PostId="5903" Score="0" Text="I'll include a sample question via edit. Thanks Mike." CreationDate="2013-10-22T04:46:16.440" UserId="46126" />
  <row Id="11908" PostId="5903" Score="2" Text="@johno My inclination is that your sample question is off topic because &quot;You should ask Appworx support!&quot; -- As mentioned in the answer, SF is more geared to systems aspects.  (&quot;how do I deploy/manage/update 5000 Appworx agents in my environment?&quot;) , but use of a commercial product is why we pay for support. That said, as a &quot;cron replacement&quot; it's definitely a gray area :-)" CreationDate="2013-10-22T06:24:56.530" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11909" PostId="5903" Score="1" Text="@voretaq these are the people that screwed up an upgrade just a few weeks back such that I'll have to go through and manually fix hundreds of jobs in production *after* the upgrade is done. They're worthless at supporting their own product. I trust you guys more. Also &quot;cron on bath salts&quot;." CreationDate="2013-10-22T12:15:57.970" UserId="46126" />
  <row Id="11912" PostId="5903" Score="0" Text="I would say the last &quot;paragraph&quot; makes a valid point.  You might be better off asking app specific questions in their own forum (if they exist) on the apps website.  I think you might end up with crickets here though." CreationDate="2013-10-22T13:08:27.090" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11915" PostId="5903" Score="4" Text="@JohnO Bad support sucks, but SF is fighting a never-ending battle against being &quot;Tech Support For The Internets&quot; (to the point where some companies have *told their users to ask stuff here* rather than having a proper support department!) -- If support is useless then a question like &quot;How can I automate doing X for product/reason Y on platform Z? I've spoken to Y support but they had no suggestions to offer.&quot; ***might*** be ok, but it's skating the edge of the &quot;We're not tech support&quot; line." CreationDate="2013-10-22T15:10:13.613" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11916" PostId="5903" Score="0" Text="@voretaq I'm not here to ask stupid questions. And this is why I asked here first, rather than asking the actual questions. I don't mean to do that company any favors (they sure as hell don't do me any), but I have questions and no where to ask them." CreationDate="2013-10-22T18:25:52.593" UserId="46126" />
  <row Id="11910" PostId="5904" Score="0" Text="Some people know about it, MHampton above certainly does... or can fake it really well. Don't know if ERP is quite right or not. And yes, Automic.com is awful. And I agree... it's not quite development, but it sure seems like it." CreationDate="2013-10-22T12:19:08.227" UserId="46126" />
  <row Id="11914" PostId="5904" Score="4" Text="@JohnO I can fake it really well. I'd never heard of Appworx until last night. But I have a lot of experience with getting up to speed rapidly on totally unknown things. :)" CreationDate="2013-10-22T14:45:33.903" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11922" PostId="5906" Score="3" Text="Michael, I'm glad you are a relatively new user that wants to be more involved with the community.  You need to read Iain's answer here, then understand &quot;shopping questions&quot; http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/qa-is-hard-lets-go-shopping/ and why they simply aren't allowed on the main site.  Most of us tend to agree that it's great to review and compare tools, hence the &quot;IT Shopping beta&quot; on Area 51 SE I created, but StackExchange's model simply doesn't lend itself to those types of questions on most occasions." CreationDate="2013-10-23T21:19:59.717" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11923" PostId="5906" Score="0" Text="THeCleaner: thanks for the explanation. I'll add the Shopping beta to my link list. ARE technical discussions allowed there? Because often one evolves into the other." CreationDate="2013-10-23T22:03:32.800" UserId="182920" />
  <row Id="11924" PostId="5906" Score="0" Text="Allowed in the Shopping Beta?  Well, it's just a beta right now, and very unlikely to get enough traction or approval to be a real Q&amp;A site here.  It was more to voice an opinion that it'd be nice to be able to ask shopping questions in some capacity somewhere.  For tech discussions, stick with SF or one of the other non-beta sites." CreationDate="2013-10-24T12:51:19.493" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11917" PostId="5907" Score="2" Text="I kinda disagree. The OP has no admin rights on the box == user. The real solution is to do it properly everything else is just bodgery and hackery. As you've said yourself SF has a strong ethos of doing it right and in this case that's dealing wit the admin's or getting a new box where you have admin rights." CreationDate="2013-10-23T20:38:43.640" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11918" PostId="5907" Score="0" Text="@Iain I've got root on every box here, but I've also got stuff that simply won't talk to syslog without an intermediary (because developers suck and have no concept of how this is supposed to work). root or not sometimes you need to swallow a file's contents and send it to your loghost which is really the crux of the question..." CreationDate="2013-10-23T20:43:30.087" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11919" PostId="5907" Score="0" Text="Sorry I really don't see this as an SF question. OP had no idea of the system's config, doesn't have admin rights, doesn't want to/can't modify the app - and has rejected other useful observations - what is this system admin with your limbs tied together ?" CreationDate="2013-10-23T20:47:54.260" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11920" PostId="5907" Score="0" Text="If the question collects more close votes I won't save it a second time, but the OP's bureaucratic situation is in no way relevant to the question &amp; possible answers. If OP elects to reject every possible solution for *reasons* that's his issue, not ours - we've got plenty of questions with great answers where the OP rejected every one, but those answers are useful for others. Server Fault helps those who help themselves..." CreationDate="2013-10-23T21:04:21.370" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11921" PostId="5907" Score="5" Text="Dealing with beurocray is as you have said yourself part of the sysadmin job. As we have discussed before, we expect people here to have the administrative ability and authority to make changes. The OP here has neither. Whist I feel the OPs pain I really can't see how this is in anyway a system administration task. If anything it's more a programming task as the real solution (if your not going to do it the correct sysadmin way) is to catch the messages and send them on their way via your own daemon. And I already chucked a close vote on it as it's not really relevant ..." CreationDate="2013-10-23T21:12:48.883" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11926" PostId="5909" Score="2" Text="note: the procedure for reporting scrapers has changed - see [this link](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/200177/updated-procedure-for-reporting-scrapers) for more info, however, the tl;dr is: Send all reports of SCRAPERs to team@stackoverflow.com." CreationDate="2013-10-25T14:45:53.603" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="11927" PostId="5909" Score="3" Text="This is not the first time for FaultServer. [There is clearly only one solution.](http://i.imgur.com/0JDPrTP.jpg)" CreationDate="2013-10-25T15:31:00.827" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11928" PostId="5913" Score="1" Text="Oh ok. That's weird since it's precisely much easier to use in a network dev environment... Next time, i'll say the bulk of the dev is on vmware (which is true) ;)" CreationDate="2013-10-26T09:09:24.573" UserId="128470" />
  <row Id="11929" PostId="5913" Score="2" Text="I also suspect that if you can reproduce the issue without VirtualBox, e.g. on a nice ESXi host, then nobody will bat an eyelid. Just be sure to mention how you set up your vSwitch..." CreationDate="2013-10-26T09:14:43.303" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11930" PostId="5913" Score="1" Text="My error was to even mention it was virtualized. It's absolutly not related to the problem as I understood later. But thanks for the advice." CreationDate="2013-10-26T14:38:40.927" UserId="128470" />
  <row Id="11931" PostId="5915" Score="5" Text="FWIW I've pretty much quit flagging stuff because I flagged a (moderators) comment NC and it was declined but the whole comment thread was subsequently cleaned up (as in overnight)." CreationDate="2013-11-01T17:31:00.333" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11932" PostId="5915" Score="2" Text="@Iain - that's unfortunate to hear. Prior to today, I've always thought that my flags (comments and otherwise) were handled well. Immediately before the above incident, I had flagged a different comment (from the same user) for containing misinformation about SF topicality. That flag was declined as well, but the comment in question was edited by the moderator to remove the misinformation. Doesn't make any sense why that should have been declined." CreationDate="2013-11-01T17:35:47.747" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11952" PostId="5915" Score="1" Text="EEAA : You are absolutely correct. SF has raised the bar too high, and is far to quick to close threads for rather silly reasons (I saw one closed because the user was using vmware PLAYER, which was considered not a real sysadmin tool  -- please!)  Thank you for raising this issue." CreationDate="2013-11-01T19:17:41.990" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11954" PostId="5915" Score="8" Text="@samsmith - ok that's just silly. Please re-read my question. It has **nothing** to do with what you're suggesting. Looking at the downvotes on your past meta posts, it looks like either 1) you *really* don't understand SF's charter or 2) you desire a significantly different SF than the community wants." CreationDate="2013-11-01T19:21:17.987" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11955" PostId="5915" Score="1" Text="@EEAA OK, I misread your direction. However I am in the same place as you are vis-a-vis &quot;In the face of the numerous &quot;THE SKY IS FALLING&quot; threads on meta recently, I've been trying to remain engaged and optimistic. &quot;" CreationDate="2013-11-01T19:22:21.293" UserId="13716" />
  <row Id="11946" PostId="5916" Score="4" Text="It never ceases to amaze me how many junior admins don't have seniors to ask basic questions of or managers to arrange education and don't get me started on reading documentation :(" CreationDate="2013-11-01T18:35:00.360" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11950" PostId="5916" Score="4" Text="What amazes me is there really *does* seem to be a trend of hiring junior admins &amp; throwing them into an existing (largely undocumented) environment with no senior/knowledgable staff to consult. (That's still no excuse for not making an effort to locate &amp; read documentation, but it's a thing. I blame the &quot;devops&quot; movement and people who do devops wrong.)" CreationDate="2013-11-01T19:12:38.947" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11956" PostId="5916" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 I was in that boat 12 years ago when I got my first job...all I had was usenet and my local LUG for reference. :)" CreationDate="2013-11-01T19:32:35.400" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11968" PostId="5916" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 &quot;Trend&quot;? That happened to me when I started out 18 years ago... fortunately I had good friends with more knowledge than me." CreationDate="2013-11-04T11:10:35.293" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="11971" PostId="5916" Score="1" Text="I agree that there's nothing wrong with a &quot;*well-written and researched*&quot; novice-level question, but I also think nearly every such question I see on SF seems to have skipped over the &quot;*researched*&quot; requirement." CreationDate="2013-11-05T10:17:36.677" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="11976" PostId="5916" Score="1" Text="Downvote for no research, VTC if it is off-topic." CreationDate="2013-11-05T19:17:22.003" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12036" PostId="5916" Score="0" Text="@iain i can say from being in the position of having no seniors to ask myself that sites like serverfault are utterly invaluable. I'm glad this matter is being discussed on meta. That said it's always good to do research, though i know sometimes i'm not even able to grasp what i'm trying to search for so i imagine that happens to others also... and god knows i've got a ton of advice-needed type questions that i don't even ask here for being primarily opinion based." CreationDate="2013-11-21T01:35:20.850" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="12037" PostId="5916" Score="0" Text="@Sirex: Yes, I've been there too but there was no internet so I had to learn to do my own research and more importantly read the documentation (several feet of DEC binders in this case), I am a much better &lt;whatever&gt; for this. The modern way appears to be to hand the keys to the completely clueless without educating them in the basics. They then find their way to our gates and the rest is history. If you want opinions drop into chat there's no shortage of them there and plenty of advice to be had from some exceptional sysadmins." CreationDate="2013-11-21T08:30:32.460" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12038" PostId="5916" Score="2" Text="@Sirex There's a difference between `I looked it up and found X, Y, and Z but I'm not sure what to do now and there's nobody here for me to ask.` and `I've got nobody to ask, I'm too lazy to Google, and I refuse to acknowledge the existence of man or MS TechNet` -- Novices in the first category generally get treated well. Folks in the second category don't belong in *professional* system &amp; network administration." CreationDate="2013-11-21T18:05:41.040" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11934" PostId="5917" Score="3" Text="I kind of like the &quot;The best advice we can give&quot; phrasing, but otherwise very much like the revised close reason." CreationDate="2013-11-01T17:49:30.617" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11935" PostId="5917" Score="0" Text="Great change IMHO." CreationDate="2013-11-01T17:49:56.113" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11938" PostId="5917" Score="0" Text="Definitely prefer this over the current." CreationDate="2013-11-01T17:57:34.723" UserId="47027" />
  <row Id="11939" PostId="5917" Score="6" Text="Another thing to consider: sometimes professional sysadmins have to ask the same question that a novice would if they're working on something they don't have expertise on. A linux admin learning storage, for example." CreationDate="2013-11-01T17:58:23.923" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="11945" PostId="5917" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS I may keep that phrasing, it looked sounded weird when I was reading it in the revised text though" CreationDate="2013-11-01T18:07:42.630" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11957" PostId="5917" Score="0" Text="And I especially like the link to the help-center, high quality add, there." CreationDate="2013-11-01T20:17:52.967" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="11959" PostId="5917" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 There's actually a link in the current one as well, I just didn't clean it up when I pasted it here (I grabbed the displayed text rather than the markdown)" CreationDate="2013-11-01T20:41:04.343" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11965" PostId="5917" Score="2" Text="One minor change: &quot;questions regarding end-user or enthusiast usage are off-topic&quot; - remember we're supposed to be rejecting the question, not the user." CreationDate="2013-11-02T23:51:38.680" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11969" PostId="5917" Score="1" Text="I would make it two separate sentences. My eyes skipped right past the semi-colon, treating it like a comma. Not exactly the message you were going for." CreationDate="2013-11-04T11:49:58.907" UserId="15028" />
  <row Id="11933" PostId="5918" Score="4" Text="Thanks Chris. My personal feeling is that high-rep users really ought to be held to a *higher* standard than the rest of the user base. High-rep users' answers and comments hold a certain amount of &quot;weight&quot; , and because of this, can strongly influence user perception of the site, both positively *and* negatively." CreationDate="2013-11-01T17:48:31.633" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11936" PostId="5918" Score="0" Text="I could get behind that, but it's got to be the community's decision, or [SE] would have to trump." CreationDate="2013-11-01T17:50:29.997" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11937" PostId="5918" Score="1" Text="I don't know that this &quot;higher standard&quot; would need to be codified in any way (though maybe that's the only way it would work). Rather, just that all of the high-rep users (myself very much included) need to be extra mindful about how we communicate on the site." CreationDate="2013-11-01T17:54:24.077" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11943" PostId="5918" Score="3" Text="I definitely agree about holding high-rep users to a higher standard of civility - we generally tolerate a level of snark / non-constructive commentary from anyone on the site regardless of reputation, but when it's beyond good-natured teasing (&quot;Just shoot the NT4 domain controller. Problem solved.&quot;) into rudeness and abuse it's not acceptable from anyone, and certainly worse coming from the users who are supposed to be setting the example..." CreationDate="2013-11-01T18:04:50.400" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11947" PostId="5918" Score="0" Text="I think one way you help hold high-rep users accountable is doing what you did @EEAA here in meta.SF.  Not that TomTom ever comes to meta it would seem, but maybe he read this &quot;thread&quot; and will think twice next.  Maybe the right step is to flag it and then comment and call the user out on their post?" CreationDate="2013-11-01T19:05:14.033" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11948" PostId="5918" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner - Not sure it's productive to hash out things like that in the original comment thread. I'd prefer to flag it, come here to discuss (if necessary), and let the moderators and SE staff do their job in dealing with any users that cause repeat problems." CreationDate="2013-11-01T19:08:28.463" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11949" PostId="5918" Score="0" Text="Understand.  I don't know...does the OP get a notice from a moderator if they get flagged and the moderator removes their post?  Something like a &quot;settle down turbo...be nice&quot; or similar?  BTW, I never look at http://serverfault.com/tools?tab=flags&amp;daterange=today or any other of the tools menu...should we as 10k+ members be doing so?" CreationDate="2013-11-01T19:12:05.053" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11951" PostId="5918" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner - that's a great question. I'm not sure." CreationDate="2013-11-01T19:14:48.330" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11953" PostId="5918" Score="1" Text="People don't get notified when we remove or edit their comments (I occasionally &quot;lighten&quot; the language of comments). If their comments are particularly colorful, they'll get a love letter in their e-mail." CreationDate="2013-11-01T19:20:33.830" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11958" PostId="5918" Score="2" Text="@TheCleaner: I believe it takes several unhandled flags sitting in the queue for ant to appear on that list and that's a fairly rare event on SF." CreationDate="2013-11-01T20:19:24.437" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11940" PostId="5919" Score="1" Text="Note: I unzotted the question, scrubbed the comments, and left something constructive." CreationDate="2013-11-01T18:01:51.470" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11941" PostId="5919" Score="0" Text="Makes sense, and thanks for the explanation about the mechanics of comment flag moderation." CreationDate="2013-11-01T18:02:17.680" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11942" PostId="5919" Score="2" Text="Oh, and in regards to Crash Override being a lunkhead. Agreed 100%. However, that doesn't mean we need to reciprocate. Like I said in my Q, just VTC and be done with it. If one feels a need to leave a comment, it should be polite, civil, and respectful." CreationDate="2013-11-01T18:03:32.987" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11944" PostId="5919" Score="3" Text="@ChrisS Old softy you are. Next you'll be recovering the users files from the tapes instead of having them arm-wrestle with the tape robot for their data." CreationDate="2013-11-01T18:06:19.467" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11961" PostId="5919" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 I don't have a tape robot. I move the tapes myself... Speaking of which, I'm overdue for my October backup." CreationDate="2013-11-02T00:57:19.807" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11964" PostId="5919" Score="2" Text="I can understand the workflow issue but decling flags cast in good faith (without explanation) is absolutely the wrong thing to do and should be avoided as it teaches the wrong behaviours. The [September 2011 moderator news letter](http://moderator.stackexchange.com/2011/09/september-2011-newsletter/) has details on this. Please pass it on to your moderation colleague so they can be educated." CreationDate="2013-11-02T12:54:18.650" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11960" PostId="5920" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure we can make the close reason quite that long." CreationDate="2013-11-01T23:54:18.100" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11972" PostId="5920" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately even my close reason was pushing the character limit (@MichaelHampton had to make some edits to find enough characters to keep the Help Center bit as a pretty link instead of a bad URL). If we're seeing a lot of *Really Bad* home questions I wouldn't be opposed to asking for a 4th close reason to be activated though." CreationDate="2013-11-05T17:58:19.687" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11973" PostId="5920" Score="0" Text="One of our original close reasons (specifically for &quot;Home Use&quot; questions: `Questions about hardware or software used in a home setting are off-topic because they require answers that may not be practical for the business and support professionals here. You should try asking on Super User instead.`" CreationDate="2013-11-05T18:01:46.500" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11974" PostId="5920" Score="0" Text="If you add &quot;or home lab or personal website&quot; to that somehow, it could work really well.  We are indeed seeing a lot of those questions - and in particular, people playing with azure, making cloud VMs that do media fetching and transcoding, etc." CreationDate="2013-11-05T18:10:56.863" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11980" PostId="5920" Score="2" Text="@voretaq7 Oh, we have plenty of home-user questions I would rather not migrate since they're too crappy even for [SU]. And people have been using this close reason in lieu of a specific home-user close reasons." CreationDate="2013-11-06T21:04:53.917" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="11962" PostId="5922" Score="2" Text="Unless they are voted into deletion, at which point they are as good as lost." CreationDate="2013-11-02T01:53:55.067" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11963" PostId="5922" Score="1" Text="Ok... Incredibly unlikely, but possible. All the authors could still see their own work though, and a simple flag to a mod could remedy even that most unlikely of situations." CreationDate="2013-11-02T03:36:38.357" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="11966" PostId="5924" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Michael. It does seem like comment flag handling could use a bit of attention. Thanks for your explanation." CreationDate="2013-11-03T02:30:30.870" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="11967" PostId="5924" Score="2" Text="If you read @voretaq7's answer below it appears to contain an explanation 'administrative convenience; for a 'lazy bastard' which is not the same as making a mistake. You have probably just pleaded guilty to a crime you didn't commit." CreationDate="2013-11-03T07:33:31.253" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11970" PostId="5925" Score="7" Text="I'd agree with this. These are often interesting questions for discussion in chat, but academic project assignments are often bound by assumptions and limits that are totally absurd in the real world." CreationDate="2013-11-04T15:27:16.657" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="11981" PostId="5927" Score="0" Text="Following this: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5646/is-serverfault-doomed-not-if-we-all-vote-more and not VTCing them we could all end up with `Reversal` badges within a week." CreationDate="2013-11-07T18:32:11.303" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11986" PostId="5927" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner - Well yeah. If anyone bothered to vote..." CreationDate="2013-11-08T00:31:04.707" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="11987" PostId="5927" Score="2" Text="@kce -1 because you forgot to include the &quot;*Except for Ward&quot; footnote." CreationDate="2013-11-08T05:25:05.230" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="12107" PostId="5927" Score="0" Text="My observation: Closing questions as Off Topic leads to fewer wars than closing them as unclear, etc." CreationDate="2013-12-12T15:28:58.483" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="11982" PostId="5929" Score="2" Text="Whilst I too think this is the way to go it's too much effort to be bothered - hence it's current under utilisation." CreationDate="2013-11-07T18:50:59.767" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11983" PostId="5929" Score="0" Text="The &quot;leave a comment&quot; close path is definitely more work than most of us are willing to put into killing a question -- the only way to streamline it is creating custom close reasons for the common issues. (I'd do that myself, but I'm a terrible moderator and don't keep track of the close comments I write. I've got a feeling &quot;We're not your vendor. Go call tech support you lazy git!&quot; is my top custom close reason though.)" CreationDate="2013-11-07T18:53:59.670" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11984" PostId="5929" Score="2" Text="If the pro-forma comments script were extended to include the leave a comment close path it would be easier but for now it's still easier to (ab)use the not relevant route." CreationDate="2013-11-07T19:00:40.380" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11985" PostId="5930" Score="2" Text="This is the reference I have for not using it as a close reason http://meta.serverfault.com/a/5917/9517" CreationDate="2013-11-07T22:40:41.173" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11988" PostId="5930" Score="1" Text="@Iain You listen to the voreteq guy?  As if he knows anything...  My understanding is that the main reason for the re-wording is that not all novice questions are non-professional.  But almost by definition, home use questions are non-professional." CreationDate="2013-11-08T05:27:50.450" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="11992" PostId="5930" Score="1" Text="Given that sysadmin1138 nolonger seems to participate he's as good as it gets." CreationDate="2013-11-09T08:25:46.740" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11993" PostId="5931" Score="0" Text="I'm with @ward on this - the tooltps are as much advice as has been handed out. As with all voting - vote as **you** see fit, there is no formula and you absolutely will not get me to change the way that I vote as I'm comfortable with it. Given the general paucity of voting (@ward excepted) I can't see that it really matters." CreationDate="2013-11-09T13:35:08.780" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11995" PostId="5931" Score="1" Text="Personally, I would have major trouble determining the amount of research effort put into a question if it is not within my area of expertise. It is way easier to just determine if it is &quot;useful and clear&quot; - I suppose folks just stick with that." CreationDate="2013-11-11T11:50:39.597" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="13084" PostId="5931" Score="0" Text="This site should do what Reddit has done with delayed up/down vote results to avoid the group-think thundering herd." CreationDate="2014-05-21T02:49:20.980" UserId="212978" />
  <row Id="11989" PostId="5932" Score="0" Text="So to sum up.  You see the tooltip as allowing upvoting if it is clear or useful, not necessarily based on the research effort?  I don't disagree with your answer, that's how I tend to vote as well.  My real question was **are we voting correctly?**.  So maybe it should be put into consideration to change the `upvote tooltip` to something like &quot;This question is useful and on-topic&quot; and leave the `downvote tooltip` as is.  Since it would be unlikely that someone would upvote a well researched crap/offtopic question." CreationDate="2013-11-08T20:44:19.843" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11990" PostId="5932" Score="3" Text="I view the research effort as part of &quot;useful&quot;.  It's certainly a necessary condition in most cases." CreationDate="2013-11-08T20:46:43.327" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="11991" PostId="5932" Score="1" Text="@TheCleaner I *think* the tooltip is network-wide. I vaguely recall some talk about changing it a year or so ago (not sure if it was here or on mSO) that went down in flames for some reason but if you can come up with language that sucks less throw it in a separate Meta and I'll make a nuisance of myself in the Teacher's Lounge to see if it's changeable :-)" CreationDate="2013-11-08T20:46:56.537" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="11996" PostId="5933" Score="0" Text="The tooltips are fine, they are clear and concise. As with any voting people should vote as they see fit within the bounds of the system. That very few people participate beyond getting their (mostly crappy) question answered means that the voting is left to a relatively small number of people so growing that number is the only solution." CreationDate="2013-11-12T07:41:37.827" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="11994" PostId="5934" Score="0" Text="I just meant to quantify exactly what I do when I vote.  I don't actually go through a process.  However, for the questions I don't vote on, it's because they are incredibly mediocre.  They're not bad enough to downvote, but I don't really like them either." CreationDate="2013-11-09T19:39:32.793" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="13088" PostId="5934" Score="0" Text="While I agree with your answer Ward, the problem becomes when an OP asks &quot;Why the downvote?&quot;  To respond with &quot;I didn't think it was good&quot; ends up being unhelpful and means that voting in general is based on whims/feelings and not on black/white reasoning.  It's not a science obviously, and you explain in detail below #2 above, but most will read just #1/#2 in your answer and go &quot;yep...I vote however I feel like voting&quot;..." CreationDate="2014-05-21T14:02:24.790" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="11997" PostId="5936" Score="3" Text="See also: [Virtualbox is losing the benefit of the doubt](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1913/virtualbox-is-losing-the-benefit-of-the-doubt)" CreationDate="2013-11-12T19:05:41.433" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="11998" PostId="5936" Score="4" Text="`enterprise virtualization product according to Oracle`...is it?! Hyper-V, VMWare ESXi, Xen, sure. But VirtualBox as enterprise virtulisation? No. Nononono." CreationDate="2013-11-12T19:07:34.170" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="11999" PostId="5936" Score="3" Text="There's two issues here, VirtualBox isn't enterprise grade and by that I mean, if your using VirtualBox in a production environment you are doing it wrong, it doesn't matter what Oracle calls it, it's a handy dev/testing tool and that's it. The fact that your arguing that it is enterprise grade shows a huge lack of knowledge/experience. Second Windows 7 isn't a server." CreationDate="2013-11-12T19:19:23.557" UserId="139868" />
  <row Id="12000" PostId="5936" Score="0" Text="Now that you have posted this meta discussion (the *correct* way to handle disputes about moderation and site policy) I have unlocked your question on the main site to allow editing and removed the comment thread. I've inserted them as a photo in the question for posterity." CreationDate="2013-11-12T19:39:20.933" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12001" PostId="5936" Score="1" Text="I have to agree with Matt. *But*, [SF] is also about managing workstations (note: that's multiple, generally many). I could see a dev shop where you need to distribute VirtualBox VMs. The question seems vaguely relevant, though VirtualBox has import/export functions that make the process fairly trivial." CreationDate="2013-11-12T19:42:03.260" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12002" PostId="5936" Score="0" Text="Re: `'meta' thread don't constitute enforceable site rules`, I'm afraid precedent is against you here. Counterexample: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8231/are-answers-that-just-contain-links-elsewhere-really-good-answers is used as justification for removing &quot;link only&quot; answers. Another: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/13676/is-english-required-on-stack-overflow is the standard justification for the &quot;Questions &amp; Answers must be in English&quot; policy on the trilogy sites. There are [SF-specific policy posts](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3425) as well." CreationDate="2013-11-12T20:08:31.447" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12006" PostId="5936" Score="3" Text="Ironically, despite the OP being sent here to discuss the subject (Kudos to the OP for doing so), I'm amazed^h^h^h^h^h^h disappointed that this question has two close votes against it. What exactly is wrong with this meta question that warrants close votes?" CreationDate="2013-11-12T22:39:54.190" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="12008" PostId="5936" Score="0" Text="@Bryan I agree. This question is ***NOT*** a duplicate of [Virtualbox is losing the benefit of the doubt](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1913/virtualbox-is-losing-the-benefit-of-the-doubt). This discussion is about the topicality of a *specific* question (whether or not it is in scope). The suggested duplicate provides some guidance on determining which side of the line it falls on, but does not address this specific instance." CreationDate="2013-11-12T23:08:03.680" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12010" PostId="5936" Score="0" Text="Anyone with 3000+ rep on the main site can check the close vote review queue here and vote to leave it open if they think closing it is wrong." CreationDate="2013-11-12T23:22:29.430" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="12011" PostId="5936" Score="0" Text="While I see where voretaq7 is coming from RE: this being about a specific question, this still feels like a retread of [In what circumstances should VirtualBox questions be on topic?](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5529/in-what-circumstances-should-virtualbox-questions-be-on-topic)" CreationDate="2013-11-13T00:25:45.303" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="12014" PostId="5936" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB I dunno. I don't feel entirely 100% about _any_ of the answers on that question, which is why I haven't accepted any of them, and I don't feel that this particular question is even close to a duplicate. Yet." CreationDate="2013-11-13T04:20:34.187" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12026" PostId="5936" Score="0" Text="**It's an enterprise virtualization product according to Oracle.** If rockstar suddenly redefine Max Payne 3 as a &quot;enterprise workstation stress-testing product&quot; or if Microsoft say they developed their networkable version of Hearts as a network diagnostic tool then would we have to support questions about those particular games here? No." CreationDate="2013-11-14T11:04:09.063" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="12029" PostId="5936" Score="0" Text="@RobM It's already been established in this thread that questions about VirtualBox are SOMETIMES allowed. Not only is your analogy bad, but your point is lost. And finally, I've given up on convincing the moderators here. Unfortunately just like every other forum and venue, there is a tendency to agree with your peers regardless of the argument. Hence the arbitrary downvotes on this meta thread. So I wasn't really expecting to convince anyone. Nor do I care, my problem is already solved." CreationDate="2013-11-14T15:32:40.370" UserId="79118" />
  <row Id="12030" PostId="5936" Score="1" Text="The point, @KyleM, is that a product is not on topic here purely because someone at the vendor's website team vomited the word &quot;enterprise&quot; onto the product description page. I'm glad your problem is solved but just remember that you're the person who was prepared to spend more time trying to gerrymander your question rather than actually improve it so that it might have been on topic here **or** made it a good candidate to move to another place it would have got answered with no fuss. Before worrying about the splinter in our eyes you might want to remove the log in your own." CreationDate="2013-11-14T15:40:51.410" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="12031" PostId="5936" Score="0" Text="@RobM I was requested to post this meta thread to debate whether the question belonged or not. Now you're complaining that I am debating the point. I'm willing to concede the fact that the question won't be reopened, and possibly that it shouldn't be. It looks like you're just here to complain about VirtualBox not being an enterprise product, which is a point we already covered and came to a consensus on." CreationDate="2013-11-14T15:46:41.427" UserId="79118" />
  <row Id="12003" PostId="5937" Score="1" Text="Your opinion on whether or not I &quot;read enough documentation&quot; before posting my question isn't relevant. It may even suggest that your reason for closing the question was discriminatory (e.g. you didn't think the question was &quot;hard&quot; enough or you thought I didn't &quot;try hard enough&quot;) rather than rules-based moderation. That being said, I respect your other reasons for closing the question but I still think it's just another case of being heavy handed." CreationDate="2013-11-12T20:26:32.210" UserId="79118" />
  <row Id="12004" PostId="5937" Score="1" Text="@KyleM Server Fault's community standards expect that questions will be well-researched. In fact lack of research is one of the items called out in the downvote tooltip. (There's lots of discussion about this on Meta, including proposals for a specific close reason - search for `research` for a broad sampling). That was not my reason for closing your question however - as noted above I feel it has far more serious issues than the fact that you missed the importing/exporting virtual machines chapter in the manual." CreationDate="2013-11-12T21:15:37.823" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12005" PostId="5937" Score="0" Text="Sure, the question might be outside the scope of the site, but equally it might also be within scope. In these instances, where the context isn't clear, why not give the benefit of the doubt? Closing questions in this manner is not cool when it's turning new users away from the site as the OP here suggests." CreationDate="2013-11-12T22:36:45.240" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="12007" PostId="5937" Score="1" Text="@Bryan In my opinion this question is clearly out of scope - it is an *end user question*, not an *administration question* per my reasoning above. I've still seen no convincing argument that refutes that. If you (or anyone) have such an argument to make please post an answer and make it. Like I said, I'm open to being convinced that this question is [on topic](http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic), but simply saying &quot;you're a big meanie for closing the question&quot; is not a convincing argument. Off topic questions are supposed to be closed." CreationDate="2013-11-12T23:03:16.980" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12009" PostId="5937" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7, I can't convince you, because I don't know if it's an end user question or administration question, I think it could be either, so let me turn that around as you think it's clearly out of scope. How can you be sure this an end user question and not a administration question? (and I don't think you're a big meanie BTW, apologies if that's what I seemed to imply)." CreationDate="2013-11-12T23:18:23.887" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="12012" PostId="5937" Score="1" Text="@Bryan I can't be sure - the answer isn't a binary &quot;yes or not&quot;, it's shades of gray, which is why I asked KyleM to bring this discussion to Meta. This question showed up in the close queue, and I made a judgment based on the content of the question: (is it related to &quot;system administration in a professional capacity&quot;? It is certainly professional, but not clearly sysadmin). As with most aspects of moderation where the line between &quot;end user&quot; and &quot;admin&quot; questions falls is a gray area, and that's why we have Meta - to hash out the not-glaringly-obvious decisions." CreationDate="2013-11-13T00:39:25.650" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12015" PostId="5937" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7, hence the point I made in my original comment, would it not be better to give the benefit of the doubt in these borderline cases, and only close when we know for sure that they aren't sys admin related?" CreationDate="2013-11-13T07:48:15.127" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="12020" PostId="5937" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 You agreed with Bryan's rebuttal yet you still hold the opposing opinion. That is... confusing. Here's my opinion. This is a Q&amp;A site. We just spent more time debating whether something is allowed to be asked than we would have asking and answering it. In fact, you actually answered the question in the meta thread which is even more confusing, since it would be more helpful for everyone to see the answer in the original question thread. And there is some dissent on whether it's allowed. :(" CreationDate="2013-11-13T15:51:57.467" UserId="79118" />
  <row Id="12022" PostId="5937" Score="3" Text="@Bryan No, it would not be. In my judgment this question does not meet our quality standards (I've given my reasons above, and they still hold). Questions that do not meet our quality standards get closed. If the question is professional sysadmin related it should be edited to show that. The point of placing questions on hold is so they can be fixed and reopened. At this point this meta question has 67 views and *nobody* has voted to reopen the question on the main site." CreationDate="2013-11-13T16:35:37.247" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12027" PostId="5937" Score="1" Text="**would it not be better to give the benefit of the doubt in these borderline cases** That would still leave a question of how much &quot;doubt&quot; should be given, or if you prefer, how large is the borderline? You're still going to end up with questions closed that people think would remain open, we'll still be here having this debate and you won't have solved anything. Trying to hold to a more rigid line might upset more people in the short term but arguably makes it clearer cut what does or does not belong here in the longer term." CreationDate="2013-11-14T11:08:10.347" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="12013" PostId="5938" Score="1" Text="For the record, I use VirtualBox in &quot;production&quot; as well. There are plenty of valid use cases for it, and certainly potential for plenty of &quot;sysadmin&quot; questions relating to it (depending on how it's being employed in an environment). I'm certainly *not* saying &quot;OFF TOPIC BECAUSE [tag:virtualbox]!&quot; (Type 2 hypervisors don't get much love, and virtualbox in particular has a poor track record in terms of &quot;good&quot; questions, but each question still needs to be judged individually.)" CreationDate="2013-11-13T00:42:54.230" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12024" PostId="5938" Score="2" Text="`...reasons for using VMs is to not have to worry about what hardware...` - It could be that his problem is specifically related to his use of snapshots.  Not sure about Virtual box, but AFAIK a Vmware Workstation VM with snapshots cannot be [re-used on a different machine](http://superuser.com/questions/587738/transfer-vm-with-snapshots-to-another-system).  All the snapshots will be lost. If his question was specifically about his snapshots not being transferable, then his question was extremely unclear.  He could/should have asked on SU, just like I did with my VMwware question." CreationDate="2013-11-13T21:57:25.687" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="12016" PostId="5939" Score="0" Text="There's now [Son of Grid Engine](https://arc.liv.ac.uk/trac/SGE) which reuses the same abbreviation (SGE). It is a continuation of Oracle Grid Engine (OGE, formerly Sun Grid Engine) but it differs from [Grid Scheduler](http://gridscheduler.sourceforge.net/) and from the commercial offerings (such as [Univa's](http://www.univa.com/))." CreationDate="2013-11-13T11:48:48.120" UserId="93542" />
  <row Id="12017" PostId="5939" Score="0" Text="While Son of Grid Engine does use the SGE abreviation my impression is most people use it more generically to refer to all of the various forks." CreationDate="2013-11-13T11:53:30.517" UserId="195637" />
  <row Id="12018" PostId="5940" Score="1" Text="At least one thing came of it http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5850/should-folks-have-to-click-through-an-interstitial-page-to-ask-questions-on-serv but nothing else appears to have been published." CreationDate="2013-11-13T14:58:47.743" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12019" PostId="5940" Score="8" Text="Basically I took notes then got too busy to edit and publish them, I should be able to do that here once I get a bit of time." CreationDate="2013-11-13T15:04:13.813" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="12023" PostId="5940" Score="0" Text="Iain already linked to the only status-completed thing to come out of it; I have something else on my list for probably next spring. If @Chopper3 still has notes, I'll leave it to him." CreationDate="2013-11-13T19:50:38.197" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="12191" PostId="5940" Score="0" Text="@Shog9: Any chance of you advancing spring somewhat ? We're into our [eternal weekend](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September) now and things are getting very bad :(" CreationDate="2014-01-07T09:43:37.750" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12195" PostId="5940" Score="0" Text="@Iain - I was actually about to ask him and Chopper again for updates, but figured it might have gotten pushed down the pile of to-do's again." CreationDate="2014-01-07T13:52:02.730" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12197" PostId="5940" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner: Today has been especially bad :(" CreationDate="2014-01-07T14:00:26.843" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12198" PostId="5940" Score="0" Text="@Iain: the bulk of what I want to do will take serious time to design and implement, but there's one small part I should be able to expedite; will update you as I'm able to." CreationDate="2014-01-07T19:32:36.400" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="12323" PostId="5940" Score="0" Text="@Iain: [thoughts?](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6105/what-server-fault-specific-advice-should-we-give-folks-asking-questions-here)" CreationDate="2014-02-08T21:22:41.007" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="19312" PostId="5940" Score="0" Text="Is there any chance we can revisit these questions with the StackExchange Community staff? They seem more topical than ever today." CreationDate="2015-09-11T16:41:33.503" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="12025" PostId="5941" Score="0" Text="There certainly isn't a need for Sun Grid Engine as it was officially renamed to Oracle Grid engine.  The copyrights were then sold on to Univa who produce another fork  called Univa Grid engine.  The long term supported path for Oracle Grid Engine is therefore an upgrade to Univa Grid engine.  I disagree that the first two tags say that 'The tag is used incorrectly or ambiguous'.  I'm pretty sure that most people who use the sge tag are using it as a generic term because that was the name it had before grid engine started forking.  They should merge because they're both de facto generic." CreationDate="2013-11-14T10:20:53.403" UserId="195637" />
  <row Id="12028" PostId="5941" Score="0" Text="If the two tags get merged so that sge and gridengine are synonymous, I don't have a problem with it. My original comment was more of a heads up - people often refer to Grid Engine or SGE when talking about Son of Grid Engine, whereas I haven't come across anyone (yet!) using SGE when they mean Univa etc." CreationDate="2013-11-14T13:17:15.520" UserId="93542" />
  <row Id="12032" PostId="5942" Score="12" Text="Some advice for a young programmer being paid to do sysadmin work: speak to the people paying you and ask them to provide some basic education on the tools they are expecting you to use. This may sound harsh but your skills are way below those required to do the job you are being expected to do and this is not the kind of thing that you can easily learn on the job without a good grounding in the basics." CreationDate="2013-11-15T16:13:52.160" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12039" PostId="5943" Score="3" Text="I went to downvote your post, but unfortunately, it was a drive by vote and I caught @TheCleaner in the cross fire :(" CreationDate="2013-11-22T16:40:59.407" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="12040" PostId="5943" Score="6" Text="You could always try asking better questions." CreationDate="2013-11-22T16:42:00.327" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12041" PostId="5943" Score="1" Text="Point proved.  ServerFault, the place to go when you absolutely don't need any help." CreationDate="2013-11-22T17:23:03.533" UserId="14955" />
  <row Id="12043" PostId="5943" Score="1" Text="Mark, I think the issue you are running into here is that SF operates quite differently from SO.  While SO has a more &quot;come one come all with your programming questions, regardless of your experience&quot;, SF is dedicated to professional sysadmins.  As such, it's expected you not only follow the site rules but are yourself a pro sysadmin.  That's not why your other question got downvoted though (at least I don't think it is, I wasn't who did it).  Most likely it was due lack of research.  Simply throwing out a &quot;I don't have time to figure it out...here's the error, what's wrong?&quot; doesn't fly here." CreationDate="2013-11-22T18:05:25.527" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12044" PostId="5943" Score="3" Text="And the downvotes here on Meta are different...here in Meta it means &quot;I disagree with your post&quot;." CreationDate="2013-11-22T18:06:38.410" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12045" PostId="5943" Score="4" Text="I downvoted your most recent question because quite frankly it showed no research and was incredibly sucky. I had to read your code block to discover hos the output had been generated. I used google and was educated second link appears to solve the problem." CreationDate="2013-11-22T18:30:41.583" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12046" PostId="5943" Score="0" Text="Mark - in the vast majority of cases, drive-by-downvotes are left without comment because they conform to the downvote guidelines laid out in the down-arrow tooltip." CreationDate="2013-11-22T18:43:22.603" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="12047" PostId="5943" Score="6" Text="I'd like to also point out that there's nothing wrong with &quot;drive by&quot; downvoting. It's been discussed time and time again on meta.stackoverflow.com among other places. If Stack Exchange didn't want people downvoting without leaving comments, they'd make leaving a comment a requirement to downvote." CreationDate="2013-11-22T19:24:24.963" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12051" PostId="5945" Score="0" Text="Thanks! That works very well. I never knew that SE site existed." CreationDate="2013-11-27T01:17:38.117" UserId="179506" />
  <row Id="12052" PostId="5945" Score="7" Text="Security (http://security.stackexchange.com/) also has lots of crypto related questions." CreationDate="2013-11-27T01:30:30.553" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="12053" PostId="5945" Score="1" Text="@Zoredache True, but [security.se] is more practical and would kick a pure-math question like these over to [crypto.se] anyway." CreationDate="2013-11-27T02:19:12.400" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12054" PostId="5956" Score="6" Text="It looks like Dennis is trying to rip the brainslug hat of christmas cheer off his head before it gets to his soul.... I heartily approve this gravatar!" CreationDate="2013-11-30T07:54:05.857" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12055" PostId="5967" Score="0" Text="You just *had* to go and make things awkward by already having a hat on, didn't you." CreationDate="2013-12-03T02:59:21.583" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="12056" PostId="5967" Score="0" Text="@Wesley: You want me to go find something that doesn't have me wearing a hat?" CreationDate="2013-12-03T03:02:24.990" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="12057" PostId="5970" Score="0" Text="Thank you :) [tag:die-markdown-die]" CreationDate="2013-12-03T15:14:24.620" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="12059" PostId="5972" Score="0" Text="Hark! What vile cretin would downvote such a mensch!" CreationDate="2013-12-04T02:17:48.370" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="12058" PostId="5973" Score="0" Text="He has no axe, he has a boomershooter!" CreationDate="2013-12-03T18:45:22.140" UserId="144990" />
  <row Id="12060" PostId="5990" Score="11" Text="None of your questions were actually closed by mods. The community voted on them, that is kind of a big difference." CreationDate="2013-12-05T09:26:58.140" UserId="56431" />
  <row Id="12062" PostId="5990" Score="0" Text="@MetaChrome Normally I don't undelete mSO questions when the OP deletes them (I consider them &quot;withdrawn&quot; and thus resolved), but I think yours actually warrants an answer - we really don't want you to go away unhappy! If after I've posted my answer you still want to delete this discussion I'll respect that choice." CreationDate="2013-12-05T16:14:29.470" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12063" PostId="5990" Score="0" Text="I'm actually fine. I didn't realize the explicit meta of this site with regards to professional sys admins and I understand the difficulty of enforcing said meta. I think that it is a fine meta, but it sometimes difficult to ascertain if a does in fact provide enough context or not. Sometimes they do sometimes they don't. In general, I think I'll try to keep more general (l)unix questions to unix.stackexchange" CreationDate="2013-12-05T16:17:25.710" UserId="200661" />
  <row Id="12064" PostId="5990" Score="0" Text="In the sense that, if a question is coming from a position of examining alternatives from a logical standpoint of a sys admin or if it's just another, plop down a question of the top of your head. I think serverfault's explicit meta is actually VERY valuable." CreationDate="2013-12-05T16:24:02.267" UserId="200661" />
  <row Id="12065" PostId="5990" Score="4" Text="I think this question ought to be deleted because it doesn't really offer a proposal to maintain a certain meta and the specified elements are context specific. In addition, it's title is an incorrect portrayal of moderators once you understand the explicit goals of the site. Discussions of the explicit goals of the site are best left to the already opened discussions. Eg, maybe the explicit ought to be changed (which I don't really have any input on, because I could see the usefulness of maintaining explicit order) but that isn't relevent to the context of this question." CreationDate="2013-12-05T17:10:42.653" UserId="200661" />
  <row Id="12082" PostId="5990" Score="3" Text="As an _actual_ moderator, I never saw the question being discussed before it was closed. My first reaction would have been to kick it over to [unix.se] where open-ended questions about kernel internals and Unix history are more welcome. [sf] is about making things work and solving concrete problems. Also, very closely related: [How can I ask better questions on Server Fault?](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/3608/126632)" CreationDate="2013-12-05T19:03:28.073" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13686" PostId="5990" Score="1" Text="You mean like Bill the Lizard. He deletes questions all day long: http://sergworks.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/why-stackoverflow-sucks/#comment-21749 . I hope he won't delete this comment :)" CreationDate="2014-09-05T13:32:03.093" UserId="81813" />
  <row Id="12061" PostId="5991" Score="0" Text="I thought SE policy was that old questions are not migrated no matter what. There's nothing stopping you (or anyone else ) from reasking the question here, though..." CreationDate="2013-12-05T10:03:18.150" UserId="174582" />
  <row Id="12076" PostId="5992" Score="0" Text="In any case, questions over 60 days old can't be migrated at all." CreationDate="2013-12-05T18:22:22.573" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13562" PostId="5993" Score="0" Text="In the past 24 hours, I have rejected six spam edits on a single answer: http://serverfault.com/questions/179229/server-local-private-network-router-dsl/179236#179236&#xA;&#xA;There is no account to be reported, because they are all from anonymous users. Is there anything else, which could be done?" CreationDate="2014-08-02T13:08:28.123" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13568" PostId="5993" Score="0" Text="@kasperd Not really - rejected edits where you use the &quot;spam&quot; reason contribute to the Spam Ram's database and should eventually result in anonymous edits from that IP being blocked." CreationDate="2014-08-04T16:35:26.510" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12068" PostId="5998" Score="2" Text="I propose we take a page from LambdaMOO and adopt the Spivak gender neutral pronouns (`e laughs`, `I hugged em`, `eir heart warmed`, `that is eirs`, `e loves emself`) :-)" CreationDate="2013-12-05T17:56:26.800" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12083" PostId="5998" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Better than the hermaphrodite pronouns that emerged from the furry MUCK community." CreationDate="2013-12-05T19:10:48.530" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="12084" PostId="5998" Score="3" Text="I know, you're right, I'm butchering the Queen's English.  I hate it.  But sysadmin is such a male-dominated field already, I hate even more the thought that someone female wanders in, and gets alienated for no better reason than being addressed as male.  That's just rude.  I guess having a wife and two sisters heavily into IT leaves its marks." CreationDate="2013-12-05T19:52:49.357" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12066" PostId="5999" Score="3" Text="Clearly, he is involved in the project. &quot;*We* support...&quot; http://serverfault.com/questions/203692/automating-silent-software-deployments-on-solaris-10/559486#comment648628_559486" CreationDate="2013-12-05T17:43:58.990" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="12085" PostId="5999" Score="2" Text="He's also quite [involved](https://github.com/theforeman/foreman/graphs/contributors) in the [project](https://github.com/theforeman/foreman-installer/graphs/contributors) on [Github](https://github.com/theforeman/theforeman.org/graphs/contributors).  That said, I've had a play around with Foreman and it is quite good.  I won't mind seeing it show up in answers where it's not spammy." CreationDate="2013-12-05T20:13:17.090" UserId="26130" />
  <row Id="12070" PostId="6000" Score="1" Text="I have to admit I haven't read your whole answer before commenting, but your first response is wrong: ServerFault is NOT faster/harsher about closing questions.  Every single meta-site I follow (especially meta.SO) is full of complaints about &quot;you guys are too mean, you close questions to fast.&quot;  SF is no different." CreationDate="2013-12-05T18:06:33.037" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="12080" PostId="6000" Score="1" Text="@Ward Without divulging numbers, the last time I prodded the SE folks for data SF's closure rate (% questions closed) is higher than e.g. Stack Overflow's by a statistically significant margin. (Now as to whether or not that makes us &quot;mean&quot; or just particularly vigilant at weeding our walled garden I really can't say. I don't *think* we're particularly &quot;mean&quot; with regard to closures, but the ♦ next to my name means I'm by definition a biased insider...)" CreationDate="2013-12-05T18:49:33.167" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12081" PostId="6000" Score="1" Text="I recall we were closing huge #s of migrated questions, I don't know if us rabble were told about overall close rates.  In any case, I think the harsh &quot;environment&quot; that the OP commented on is more a matter of perception." CreationDate="2013-12-05T18:55:31.097" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="18940" PostId="6000" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7, What is that video about?" CreationDate="2015-05-18T17:32:40.583" UserId="87017" />
  <row Id="18945" PostId="6000" Score="0" Text="@Pacerier &quot;Google It!&quot; (literally what's in the clip)" CreationDate="2015-05-20T21:07:04.443" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12067" PostId="6001" Score="0" Text="To clarify once again, I deleted the question because I read the discussions with regards to the explicit meta of this site. I see the value of having said explicit meta, and the value the major contributers get from it or the efforts of said contributers. I dont really have the motivation to discuss the abstract paradigms of system administration or see the point of doing so. It's entirely possible that the paradigm you specify is entirely correct." CreationDate="2013-12-05T17:44:28.253" UserId="200661" />
  <row Id="12069" PostId="6001" Score="1" Text="@MetaChrome: It is rather magnanimous of you to allow for the fact that a situation that exists in nearly every single IT organization larger than 10 employees." CreationDate="2013-12-05T18:05:31.993" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="12071" PostId="6001" Score="3" Text="@MetaChrome I know you seem to agree on reconsideration - you're bright enough to read through Meta. I'm more concerned about the next person who comes along and *doesn't* take the time to understand why things are split the way they are - those are the people who think &quot;devops&quot; means just hiring a bunch of coders and giving them root on machines to do as they please (with predictable results)" CreationDate="2013-12-05T18:07:03.407" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12072" PostId="6001" Score="1" Text="Merge SO and SF? Ulp." CreationDate="2013-12-05T18:07:24.003" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="12073" PostId="6001" Score="0" Text="Thanks Scott. I'll be sure to let you know of my further treatises on the manner." CreationDate="2013-12-05T18:09:27.397" UserId="200661" />
  <row Id="12074" PostId="6001" Score="0" Text="The problem comes down to the fact that, stackexchange has claimed to relegate all questions with regards to configuration of server software to serverfault while the community or the explicit meta of serverfault wants to maintain these question in the context of the &quot;method&quot; of system administration. Now that's an actual question worthy of discussion. If you really think that every question regarding configuration or executables can only be dealt with by system administrators or in the context of the the method of system adminstration, that's debateable, hence the friction. So superuser?" CreationDate="2013-12-05T18:13:15.817" UserId="200661" />
  <row Id="12075" PostId="6001" Score="0" Text="I mean the explicit meta of serverfault is in conflict with itself by nature of the fact that there is a misunderstanding of the purpose of the site because of its popularity. You can't possibly believe that you aren't going to get non sys admins posting questions on here unless there is a lot of education about the fact that there is an expectation that the audience is sys admins." CreationDate="2013-12-05T18:18:20.603" UserId="200661" />
  <row Id="12077" PostId="6001" Score="0" Text="http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1371/30/1371301807729.jpg Just put this in the question input form with an explanation regarding the meta and I guaruntee you'll never get another dumb question." CreationDate="2013-12-05T18:22:59.980" UserId="200661" />
  <row Id="12078" PostId="6001" Score="0" Text="So fantastic, can you please delete this question? Now I'm being downvoted for a question I deleted regarding a meta I have no problem with." CreationDate="2013-12-05T18:25:21.223" UserId="200661" />
  <row Id="12079" PostId="6001" Score="5" Text="Questions with useful answers shouldn't be deleted in general, and meta is different: downvotes don't cost you rep, and what they mean is different on meta - they generally mean &quot;I disagree&quot; which is what my downvote reflects - I disagree that SF's voting/closing is any different than any other SE site." CreationDate="2013-12-05T18:29:23.080" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="18939" PostId="6001" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7, Do you find no people that are both sysadmin cum developer?" CreationDate="2015-05-18T17:25:02.587" UserId="87017" />
  <row Id="18946" PostId="6001" Score="0" Text="@Pacerier No. To be frank you cannot be both: They are two fundamentally different modes of operation. Developers create new and awesome features. Sysadmins keep those features functional in a production environment, integrating them with all the other new and awesome features from all the other developers and ensuring their interactions don't create security or stability problems. Developers and sysadmins should be interacting regularly, but they are distinctly different practice areas, which is why they are separate sites in the Stack Exchange network." CreationDate="2015-05-20T21:09:52.177" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="18955" PostId="6001" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7, However, in the first place, the programmer should be responsible that their code don't create security or stability problems when interfaced with other code. Writing crashy code or insecure code is a no-no." CreationDate="2015-05-24T13:38:37.393" UserId="87017" />
  <row Id="18957" PostId="6001" Score="0" Text="@Pacerier &quot;Writing crashy code or insecure code is a no-no&quot; is s a very idealistic and oversimplified view of the world. If it were remotely true there would be no security holes and the Blue Screen of Death wouldn't exist. Developers are human. Humans make mistakes, take short-cuts, and generally screw up whenever the opportunity presents itself. Having *different* humans (sysadmins) acting as a counterbalance is an imperfect solution, but a vast improvement on one person trying to wear two hats." CreationDate="2015-05-26T21:17:06.463" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="19037" PostId="6001" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7, Hmm, on the other hand, there's alot of people with skillset in both areas." CreationDate="2015-07-02T16:20:19.347" UserId="87017" />
  <row Id="12086" PostId="6006" Score="14" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting. As the Twitter selection still hasn't changed, this will probably be nuclearated in votes for the third year running." CreationDate="2013-12-06T09:46:00.913" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="12091" PostId="6006" Score="5" Text="WOOHOO! Let's see if we can embarrass StackBot by getting it to -10 this year! &lt;Cut to interior, Stack Exchange datacenter. A question selection algorithm is trying to determine how to commit suicide as it has neither wrists to slit nor a neck around which to place a noose. Sad music is playing - or maybe it's the server with the failed hard drive plaintively beeping for attention....&gt;" CreationDate="2013-12-06T23:45:18.947" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12108" PostId="6006" Score="2" Text="@voretaq7 I think we've broken a record this year." CreationDate="2013-12-13T08:09:07.000" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12143" PostId="6006" Score="0" Text="Aww, why no love for Twitter?  &quot;Nuclearated&quot; three years in a row--that's pretty interesting." CreationDate="2013-12-21T08:22:52.023" UserId="152596" />
  <row Id="12145" PostId="6006" Score="4" Text="@Zenexer: The twitter bot is pretty good at spotting questions that should be closed but that's not it's purpose." CreationDate="2013-12-21T14:50:09.790" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12146" PostId="6006" Score="3" Text="@voretaq7 [Watch out, you have competition!](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2549/community-promotion-ads-2014/2550#2550)" CreationDate="2013-12-22T18:55:48.907" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="12147" PostId="6006" Score="2" Text="@Gilles We clearly have a greater depth of hate for our twitter bot than you guys. It's OK though - we've had YEARS of hating the twitter bot to get good at this. You guys actually [liked](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/815/9363) yours not too long ago. You'll catch up :-)" CreationDate="2013-12-22T19:26:00.530" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12690" PostId="6006" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 [Indeed](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2549/community-promotion-ads-2014/2550#2550), we've fully learnt to [despise the Twitter bot](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2549/community-promotion-ads-2014/2629#2629)." CreationDate="2014-04-04T01:42:37.093" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="13762" PostId="6008" Score="0" Text="Please remember to include a 1px solid border on any ad that has a white or transparent background on the edge." CreationDate="2014-09-29T16:20:08.660" UserId="133285" />
  <row Id="12087" PostId="6009" Score="8" Text="Not doing Bacula anymore...[they've gone rogue](http://www.bareos.org/en/faq/items/why_fork.html)." CreationDate="2013-12-06T17:03:19.840" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12089" PostId="6009" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton: Ah. Lame. I just pulled it over because it got lots of votes last year." CreationDate="2013-12-06T18:14:44.130" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="12090" PostId="6009" Score="0" Text="&lt;s&gt;I'll probably make a BaReOS ad at some point.&lt;/s&gt; Someone beat me to it. Crafty bastards. Bacula is still good software, but they haven't touched the open source edition since 2012. That's pretty weak." CreationDate="2013-12-06T23:40:37.887" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13763" PostId="6012" Score="0" Text="Please remember to include a 1px solid border on any ad that has a white or transparent background on the edge." CreationDate="2014-09-29T16:20:11.450" UserId="133285" />
  <row Id="12088" PostId="6013" Score="11" Text="Bareos is an _actual_ open-source fork of Bacula, which has lately [turned its back on the community](http://www.bareos.org/en/faq/items/why_fork.html) in various ways, such as [removing AGPL code from their git repo and then trying to claim copyright infringement](http://www.bareos.org/en/faq/items/copyright_bacula_bareos.html) against people who used it." CreationDate="2013-12-06T17:08:19.010" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13764" PostId="6013" Score="0" Text="Please remember to include a 1px solid border on any ad that has a white or transparent background on the edge." CreationDate="2014-09-29T16:20:14.507" UserId="133285" />
  <row Id="13765" PostId="6013" Score="1" Text="@stevvve That wasn't listed in the image requirements! Please remember to add that to the list next year. :)" CreationDate="2014-09-29T16:21:32.413" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13766" PostId="6013" Score="0" Text="Oddly enough, it's in the specs on SO. Added to the specs here. Feel free to edit the border if it's not as perty as you'd like it to be." CreationDate="2014-09-29T16:24:31.077" UserId="133285" />
  <row Id="13767" PostId="6013" Score="0" Text="Yeah, we purposely designed the ads to have a clean, no border look (I'm fine with the border, but it wasn't listed as a requirement or even mentioned until just now). If you want a border why not add it to the CSS and not rely on users? Also, how much time did you spend updating all these ads when 1 line of CSS could have fixed it?" CreationDate="2014-09-29T17:11:26.443" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12092" PostId="6021" Score="0" Text="Keeping it going!" CreationDate="2013-12-10T03:18:26.757" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="13759" PostId="6021" Score="0" Text="Please remember to include a 1px solid border on any ad that has a white background on the edge." CreationDate="2014-09-29T16:09:28.623" UserId="133285" />
  <row Id="12093" PostId="6022" Score="1" Text="Been meaning to do this one for a while, no time like the present right?" CreationDate="2013-12-10T04:19:31.247" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="12094" PostId="6023" Score="4" Text="There is a fine line to be walked between pushing a product that you are involved with and spam. Some people manage it quite well. Others, like the person in question step over the line and need to be educated. What makes the difference to our community is how you go about it, if it's 'organic' and you answer other questions along the way then that seems to be acceptable. What this person did was answer several questions in quick succession all of which pushed a project they are involved with. That is pretty much spamming by this communities definition and it was handled appropriately." CreationDate="2013-12-10T22:29:56.297" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12095" PostId="6023" Score="2" Text="@Iain I suppose the &quot;by this community's definition&quot; is the part I should spend more time getting familiar with. Each of the example questions in the OP were asking for recommendations for particular applications to automate a particular task; Izap gave direct and succinct answers. And it's no surprise that he found several of these questions in short time, since SF is designed to point them out to us. So we're essentially discriminating against him because he is associated with the product he's recommending (never mind that he was asked to recommend something to begin with)." CreationDate="2013-12-10T22:50:41.127" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="12096" PostId="6023" Score="1" Text="Many of those questions asking for $product recommendations would be closed today. They (and others) are all ancient questions and were obviously dug up to push $product, this is typical spammer behaviour.There really is very little difference between this incident and many others that we've had over the years with for example password recovery, email recovery etc etc products." CreationDate="2013-12-10T22:57:04.403" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12097" PostId="6023" Score="1" Text="Izap has been on SF for almost 3 years and has over 400 reputation from 16 answers and 6 questions. Hardly worthy of the &quot;spammer&quot; label. To refer to an answer as spam, or to refer to a user as a spammer, insinuates malicious intent; I see no more malicious intent here than if a Citrix consultant were to answer questions about virtualization. Or if an MS partner were to answer questions about Active Directory. And if a user asked &quot;What is virtualization and how do I do it?&quot; would you really expect a VMWare developer to keep quiet when he is perhaps the *most* qualified to answer?" CreationDate="2013-12-10T23:09:50.923" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="12098" PostId="6023" Score="0" Text="Also, there is nothing to indicate to me that any of these answers, or all of them together, qualify for deletion under what I read in the FAQ on the criterion for deletion." CreationDate="2013-12-10T23:12:34.563" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="12099" PostId="6023" Score="0" Text="&quot;The official stance is: It it's on topic, adds value to the discussion, and they disclose that it's their own product, it's ok.&quot;&#xA;&#xA;By what I read, Izap appears to have met these criteria." CreationDate="2013-12-10T23:14:59.887" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="12100" PostId="6023" Score="1" Text="You're trying to advocate letter of the law over intent of the law. While that works well in legal institutions, we're generally more concerned with the latter in these parts. Digging up old questions that would be closed by current standards is not demonstrative of healthy participation in the community, especially to push a project. A number of reasons behind why [shopping questions](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/qa-is-hard-lets-go-shopping/) are of poor quality are also why shopping *answers* are of poor quality -- particularly their short term relevance." CreationDate="2013-12-11T02:17:22.723" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="12101" PostId="6023" Score="4" Text="Thomas, note also the last paras of http://serverfault.com/help/behavior, on self-promotion: &quot;*if some (but not all) [of your answer] happen to be about your product or website, that’s okay. However, you must disclose your affiliation in your answers.*&quot;.  lzap did not." CreationDate="2013-12-11T10:50:09.753" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12102" PostId="6023" Score="0" Text="The answers were deleted before I could read them in their entirety, however Skyhawk's comment on the OP clearly demonstrates that in at least one case Izap acknowledged his involvement in the project. I am not trying to advocate letter of the law over the intent - quite the opposite, since my observations indicate an overabundance of &quot;letter-of-the-law&quot; jurisprudence on SF. It just so happens that in this case the letter and the intent of the law, in my opinion, exonerate Izap and his answers." CreationDate="2013-12-11T15:52:02.117" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="12103" PostId="6023" Score="0" Text="Also, there is no indication that anyone attempted to speak with Izap on the subject. Perhaps someone did and I am simply not privy to that conversation. But the appearance is that these answers were dismissed out of hand with no attempt to ascertain the intent and purpose of the writer." CreationDate="2013-12-11T15:54:00.720" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="12104" PostId="6023" Score="1" Text="@Thomas: Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I left comments and I wouldn't be surprised if he was contacted directly by the mods. It seems to me that you're only here to have a whinge. Please stop it really isn't helpful and your getting boring and trollish." CreationDate="2013-12-11T21:32:31.053" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12105" PostId="6023" Score="1" Text="@Iain I'm sorry. My intent was not to defend Izap or his specific answers, which this comment thread kind of turned into, but rather I meant to use this instance as a sample in discussing the general interpretation and application of SF's policies. My understanding was that Meta was the place for these discussions *and* that it's OK for people to disagree in such discussions. If the questions would be closed under today's guidelines, then someone should go and close them. If shopping questions are bad because they invite product pushing, then the questions should be flagged, not the answers." CreationDate="2013-12-11T22:06:32.607" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="12106" PostId="6023" Score="0" Text="And, as always, *don't feed the trolls!* If you suspect me or anyone else of trolling, just ignore it and move on :)" CreationDate="2013-12-11T22:09:03.340" UserId="159902" />
  <row Id="13761" PostId="6025" Score="0" Text="Please remember to include a 1px solid border on any ad that has a white or transparent background on the edge." CreationDate="2014-09-29T16:20:02.160" UserId="133285" />
  <row Id="12114" PostId="6030" Score="0" Text="Alright, I guess I will have to re-ask the question in Stackoverflow then..." CreationDate="2013-12-16T05:41:05.913" UserId="134227" />
  <row Id="12150" PostId="6030" Score="0" Text="?? @KarmicDice - did you not read? &quot;Crossposting is generally frowned upon&quot;" CreationDate="2013-12-24T14:25:37.187" UserId="203455" />
  <row Id="12151" PostId="6030" Score="0" Text="@Titanium .. Nope, Where is it written?" CreationDate="2013-12-25T08:25:48.443" UserId="134227" />
  <row Id="12109" PostId="6031" Score="0" Text="Your last 2 paragraphs were really not helpful. You haven't answered my question either. Just ranted about deadlines and that what I should've done and what is SLA and stuff..!" CreationDate="2013-12-15T14:19:17.963" UserId="134227" />
  <row Id="12110" PostId="6031" Score="7" Text="@KarmicDice: T.A.N.S.T.A.A.F.L." CreationDate="2013-12-15T21:06:49.933" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12111" PostId="6031" Score="2" Text="Helpful, perhaps not; completely accurate, yes." CreationDate="2013-12-15T22:09:29.427" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12112" PostId="6031" Score="2" Text="@MadHatter: I believe that my first two paragraphs fully answer the OPs question. Did you read the original revision of the OPs question where they whine on about having deadlines?" CreationDate="2013-12-15T22:25:30.397" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12113" PostId="6031" Score="0" Text="@Iain and MadHatter ... I am not sure if you read my question correctly. &quot;My question is, to get more attention.. Is it advisable to post the same question in multiple boards or request to move the question from one board to another to get more attention?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-12-16T05:40:04.470" UserId="134227" />
  <row Id="12116" PostId="6031" Score="1" Text="Sorry, Iain, it's KarmicDice's grumbles about the last two that prompted my comment above.  For the avoidance of doubt: your whole answer is as spot-on as ever!" CreationDate="2013-12-16T06:42:05.017" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12117" PostId="6031" Score="7" Text="KarmicDice: when asking existing communities of volunteers to help you for free, you may well find that sarcasm and whining (which you most certainly are doing) are not amongst the most effective tools for persuading others to assist you.  Your question has been answered above most ably by Dennis, and I notice that you have posted a comment that completely ignores his response as well." CreationDate="2013-12-16T06:48:56.347" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12121" PostId="6032" Score="1" Text="Ask the question and see what the community thinks." CreationDate="2013-12-17T09:25:02.610" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12122" PostId="6032" Score="1" Text="Are you talking about [Wikimedia Labs](http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs)?" CreationDate="2013-12-17T09:58:48.673" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12123" PostId="6032" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton: Thanks, fixed!" CreationDate="2013-12-17T10:00:51.177" UserId="29296" />
  <row Id="12124" PostId="6032" Score="2" Text="Nicolas, whilst Iain's comment is pragmatic and not wrong, +1 from me for bothering to try to get a handle on SF's ethos before posting; most polite, somewhat uncommon, and much appreciated by me." CreationDate="2013-12-17T10:28:26.567" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12125" PostId="6034" Score="8" Text="`the sysadmin subreddits` - yow. /r/sysadmin is full of pretty terrible advice on a regular basis. Proceed with caution. Also, I edited out your story, as it's not relevant to the question and will likely draw downvotes. There are plenty of other meta questions about the attitude/direction of the site in general, you can add it there if you'd prefer." CreationDate="2013-12-17T17:37:32.613" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12126" PostId="6034" Score="3" Text="The fact that 90 percent of the information I had in my post had been modded out when I provided disclaimers about them being my personal opinion and took efforts to not be inflammatory is symptomatic of the problem here." CreationDate="2013-12-17T17:40:58.527" UserDisplayName="user160910" />
  <row Id="12127" PostId="6034" Score="1" Text="@GreggLeventhal Meta.SF is not for venting regardless of intention. it's for asking about site problems or policies." CreationDate="2013-12-17T17:41:31.440" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="12128" PostId="6034" Score="3" Text="You're free to roll back the edit if you disagree. I was doing it so that your question didn't get downvoted off of the front page (-7 does that)." CreationDate="2013-12-17T17:41:52.483" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12130" PostId="6034" Score="1" Text="I must have misinterpreted the discussion tag, I am getting good answers here so my diatribe was unnecessary.  I thought it might have been useful to explain why I am leaving, but I am going to go ahead and guess most people leave here for the same reason, and it isn't a secret." CreationDate="2013-12-17T17:45:54.907" UserDisplayName="user160910" />
  <row Id="12131" PostId="6034" Score="0" Text="What discussion tag? Your question is tagged [support] and [user-accounts]" CreationDate="2013-12-17T17:46:40.880" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12132" PostId="6034" Score="0" Text="It was a suggested tag when I was tagging the post that I created here." CreationDate="2013-12-17T17:47:15.807" UserDisplayName="user160910" />
  <row Id="12133" PostId="6034" Score="4" Text="I'm not following your logic there. If you want to have a discussion about the site, post in one of the dozen questions that are already open about the site's direction. If you want to ask for support on how to delete your account, ask for support on how to delete your account. Don't try and do these two *different* things in the same question." CreationDate="2013-12-17T17:49:21.840" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12134" PostId="6034" Score="0" Text="I know, I chose not to choose the tag because I didn't want to give the impression that I was looking to be convinced not to leave or anything to that effect, but the description of the tag made me think that this forum was appropriate for an opinionated post.  Regardless, it really doesn't matter at this point." CreationDate="2013-12-17T17:50:22.023" UserDisplayName="user160910" />
  <row Id="12138" PostId="6039" Score="0" Text="I feel a great disturbance in the force..." CreationDate="2013-12-18T12:09:28.723" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12135" PostId="6040" Score="0" Text="Asked 11 hours ago : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20643849/php-email-form-not-sending-mail-with-postfix-installed" CreationDate="2013-12-18T07:38:19.003" UserId="134227" />
  <row Id="12137" PostId="6040" Score="0" Text="+1 ed your answer because that is what happens when a Mod replies!" CreationDate="2013-12-18T07:40:57.740" UserId="134227" />
  <row Id="12139" PostId="6040" Score="2" Text="@KarmicDice Tim isn't a moderator, he's an [SE] employee. It'd be nice if they had different diamonds or something." CreationDate="2013-12-18T19:11:37.510" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12140" PostId="6043" Score="0" Text="True; I was just looking for the &quot;fedora20&quot; tag and, well, it wasn't there yet. And I don't have enough privileges to do it. Let's wait." CreationDate="2013-12-20T20:07:40.037" UserId="102949" />
  <row Id="12141" PostId="6043" Score="1" Text="@DavidTonhofer: Ah, you should have linked to your question and requested that tag be added, I (or someone else) would have done this for you. I have added the tag to your question." CreationDate="2013-12-20T20:27:26.000" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12144" PostId="6043" Score="0" Text="Thanks Iain, perfect." CreationDate="2013-12-21T13:51:05.003" UserId="102949" />
  <row Id="12149" PostId="6043" Score="0" Text="Indeed, Fedora is not often used for production environments. We even have [a question about just that](http://serverfault.com/q/40408/126632). I'd be more inclined to synonymize all of these tags..." CreationDate="2013-12-22T22:22:24.557" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12148" PostId="6047" Score="2" Text="Truly unloved questions, which have a score of 0 or lower, at most one comment, and no answers, are automatically deleted after 365 days. So there's not much need to go hunting for them to kill them." CreationDate="2013-12-22T22:20:06.513" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12180" PostId="6048" Score="2" Text="Too wordy, and uses the &quot;whitespace is wasted space&quot; approach to design." CreationDate="2014-01-05T23:49:23.953" UserId="12214" />
  <row Id="12154" PostId="6050" Score="4" Text="I've rebountied it for you.  Happy New Year." CreationDate="2014-01-01T00:51:34.023" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="12170" PostId="6050" Score="0" Text="Nice thank you!" CreationDate="2014-01-03T16:00:56.293" UserId="141200" />
  <row Id="12171" PostId="6050" Score="1" Text="I hope you get a decent answer out of it :)" CreationDate="2014-01-03T16:48:12.663" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="12152" PostId="6051" Score="7" Text="As someone who's bountied more than once and not gotten answers, this is true. :P" CreationDate="2013-12-26T15:39:50.137" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="12208" PostId="6053" Score="1" Text="I regret only that I have but one upvote to give for this question." CreationDate="2014-01-09T03:39:53.410" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="12159" PostId="6056" Score="7" Text="Because Dev outnumbers Ops by _orders of magnitude_." CreationDate="2014-01-02T03:31:04.187" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12162" PostId="6056" Score="4" Text="I don't see why that is relevant. it's careers.stackexchange, not programmer_careers.stackexchange" CreationDate="2014-01-02T04:45:57.053" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="12164" PostId="6056" Score="13" Text="Well, technically, it's `careers.stackoverflow.com`..." CreationDate="2014-01-02T06:01:10.107" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12165" PostId="6056" Score="5" Text="It's biased towards programmers because stack exchange was originally (some would say, still is) biased towards programmers. They're the biggest audience." CreationDate="2014-01-02T08:45:40.803" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="12166" PostId="6056" Score="3" Text="@RobM maybe :) but maybe it's time to move on - the platform is right there after all" CreationDate="2014-01-02T15:46:41.580" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="12167" PostId="6056" Score="4" Text="@dyasny I agree, but you asked for why and that's my theory as to why, is all. It is a little annoying but if anything its probably down to the people who have the sysadmin vacancies to fill but who don't advertise on Stack Exchange - I'm sure SE wouldn't turn down their money and wouldn't be adverse to building out a more sysadmin orientated version of careers if they could see it making money... I think that's how they support the site after all." CreationDate="2014-01-02T21:21:09.883" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="12168" PostId="6056" Score="2" Text="@RobM sometimes things don't move until someone kicks 'em in the right direction. There is a huge detachment between a sysadmin and the developer worlds, this is, after all, why the devops idea came to be." CreationDate="2014-01-02T21:26:00.357" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="12169" PostId="6058" Score="4" Text="Subtly amusing, but no - not really in the spirit of the site. I'd hate to see someone take it seriously." CreationDate="2014-01-03T10:30:35.187" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="12172" PostId="6061" Score="7" Text="No. Just no. While there is an obvious emphasis on programming careers on careers.so site, it's not solely for programmers (see http://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs?searchTerm=sysadmin)... and even if you _were_ correct, the whole point of @dyasny's question is that it *shouldn't* be solely orientated towards programmers. This answer could hardly be less useful if you rolled your head backwards and forwards on the keyboard and hit submit on whatever that generated." CreationDate="2014-01-05T10:18:54.153" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="12173" PostId="6061" Score="0" Text="@RobM: So some posts on careers.stackoverflow.com are off-topic, how is that a surprise?  People post sysadmin questions on SO frequently.  They are off-topic and get closed.  (Certainly all those who contacted me before I blocked inquiries were horrible fits, my impression is that headhunters don't care about good matches *at all*)  Sysadmin job postings would be appropriate on a site named &quot;careers.stackexchange.com&quot;, as your comments and answer seems to assume that it is.  But it is not.  There still is room for &quot;careers.serverfault.com&quot;.  It just doesn't exist *yet*." CreationDate="2014-01-05T14:04:46.887" UserId="28549" />
  <row Id="12174" PostId="6061" Score="2" Text="You don't appear to understand what careers.SO *is*.&#xA;It's stack exchange's own version of monster and the like, no more and no less. Stack Exchange users can host profiles there and companies can *pay* to advertise there. If the Stack Overflow Careers Sales Team accept a job advert, then it is by definition **not** off topic. You seem to suggest you have a profile on there, so I'm unsure why you don't seem to understand this. &quot;careers.SF&quot; would certainly serve sysadmins better of course, but that doesn't make sysadmin jobs &quot;offtopic&quot; on careers.SO, or the site &quot;for programmers only&quot;." CreationDate="2014-01-05T14:54:28.827" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="12181" PostId="6061" Score="4" Text="It's not &quot;Stack Exchange's version&quot;.  It's what Stack Exchange built to be StackOverflow's job site.  Do the Careers Sales team review every advert?  I seriously doubt it, based on the quality of what gets in.  I suspect they only approve on a per company basis, and the company is then free to post a certain number of openings and contact a certain number of users.  Or maybe the latter is unlimited.  Spamminess of the requests I saw certainly suggest it is unlimited." CreationDate="2014-01-06T02:50:32.863" UserId="28549" />
  <row Id="12182" PostId="6061" Score="1" Text="That's a serious question, btw.  If the careers team is reviewing all postings and explicitly approving the &quot;come be a salesperson for our startup&quot; garbage (scam), I'll know it's a listing site I don't want to be a part of." CreationDate="2014-01-06T02:52:45.113" UserId="28549" />
  <row Id="12200" PostId="6061" Score="4" Text="I upvoted RobM's comments at first, but I think Ben is actually right. 1) I've gotten one of the automatic invites, but on further research that was as a result of answering a question that was migrated to SO. 2) [careers.SO/about](http://careers.stackoverflow.com/about). Seriously, read it. Every bit of research that I try to do in support of RobM's stance -- the one that I naturally gravitate toward -- shows that they are marketing themselves directly to programmers. There's nothing to stop it from being used as *monster.SE*, but that's not what they say they are." CreationDate="2014-01-07T23:23:48.140" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="12201" PostId="6061" Score="3" Text="@AndrewB: I have found one piece of evidence that suggests non-development skills are valued: a Careers profile can link to answers on more sites than just SO.  But only the one, and in light of the overwhelming focus on development (profile wants you to link source code repositories for open source projects and contributions, etc), that could just be an acknowledgement of the vertical market skills many programmers possess." CreationDate="2014-01-07T23:31:10.943" UserId="28549" />
  <row Id="12175" PostId="6062" Score="4" Text="Great idea +1 but ultimately more words that won't be read by anyone who needs to read them." CreationDate="2014-01-05T15:05:33.400" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12176" PostId="6062" Score="1" Text="I take your point, Iain, but I still find it helpful to have a selection of &quot;official&quot; clue-bats to beat people with, instead of having to fashion my own each time." CreationDate="2014-01-05T15:49:35.987" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12178" PostId="6062" Score="0" Text="Most of the Help Center is static network-wide; only a very few parts are editable by site moderators. `/help/how-to-ask` isn't one of them... I've been thinking lately that &quot;how to obfuscate my info&quot; ought to be a meta Q&amp;A." CreationDate="2014-01-05T18:02:30.137" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12179" PostId="6062" Score="5" Text="Same for IP addresses please. [RFC5735](http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5735) says 192.0.2.0/24, 198.51.100.0/24 and 203.0.113.0/24 will do. And for @MichaelHampton: [RFC5156](http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5156) says 2001:db8::/32 is to be used for IPv6." CreationDate="2014-01-05T18:26:30.347" UserId="144990" />
  <row Id="12183" PostId="6062" Score="1" Text="There was already a meta question along these lines, so [I answered it](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/6063/126632)." CreationDate="2014-01-06T03:44:44.117" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20156" PostId="6063" Score="1" Text="I see that that there is no mention of link-local addresses. I can imagine that some people want to obfuscate those if they have an embedded MAC address. Would `fe80::200:5eff:fe00:5300/120` be the correct range to use if somebody chose to obfuscate a link-local address? Based on my reading of [RFC 7042](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7042#section-2.1.2) it would be. But I found no example of anybody doing so, so it might be that I am not reading it correctly." CreationDate="2016-01-11T02:25:42.707" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20157" PostId="6063" Score="1" Text="@kasperd While MAC addresses are supposed to be unique, they aren't actually so in practice. There are any number of instances of non-unique MAC addresses out there in the wild. And as they're only visible on a particular link, there's little reason to keep them private. Any scenario I can think of that would realistically require MAC addresses to be obfuscated involves state-level actors that most people on SF will not be worried about anyway." CreationDate="2016-01-11T02:41:10.893" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12185" PostId="6064" Score="3" Text="I don't understand what you're whingeing about, if people don't ask the questions how can we answer them? Bear in mind also that we don't do product or service recommendations as they quickly become obsolete. Perhaps what your seeing is just that, we used to allow them and now we don't." CreationDate="2014-01-06T11:44:03.357" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12186" PostId="6064" Score="2" Text="http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/qa-is-hard-lets-go-shopping/" CreationDate="2014-01-06T11:51:24.280" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12189" PostId="6064" Score="2" Text="`Is Gigabit the end all` - In most small networks, the local network is not the bottleneck.  Small networks typically are limited by the WAN bandwidth, or they are limited by I/O bandwidth on their 'servers'.  (IE the speed of their hard drives).  Gigabit networks offer more local capacity then most people can use.  Until you can get fast storage a lot cheaper, or WAN speeds become a lot faster, I doubt anyone is going to need faster LAN technology." CreationDate="2014-01-06T21:19:13.557" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="12190" PostId="6064" Score="0" Text="@Iain outstanding blog post, thank you." CreationDate="2014-01-06T22:21:54.110" UserId="123098" />
  <row Id="12193" PostId="6064" Score="1" Text="I *just* moved off having a 10/100 router as the primary hub of my home/smb network - and well, I haven't had too many issues outside some ipv6 oddities. The old router got shuffled off to a home network. I'm of the opinion though, we're reaching the point where the *crappiest* hardware is good enough for maybe 70% of users. I don't see any killer app for 10gb-e on my home network - hell, due to our lack of planning, I hardly get to take advantage of my gig-e network at the moment (until I add a NAS), and most of my dozen or so devices are on fairly brittle wifi." CreationDate="2014-01-07T12:31:56.660" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="12187" PostId="6066" Score="0" Text="I've just bought a couple of 4Gb FC cards for my home network :P" CreationDate="2014-01-06T12:20:06.910" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="12188" PostId="6066" Score="0" Text="I've got 20GbIB at home (though limited by a 10GbIB switch). =]" CreationDate="2014-01-06T14:52:32.023" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12192" PostId="6068" Score="0" Text="My question is derived from my surprise that nothing has really changed other than as pointed out, some enterprise features are tricking their way into SMB &amp; home networks. Analogy: Fast Ethernet is to networking what lap belts are to cars. Gigabit is advent of shoulder belts. Where are the airbags?" CreationDate="2014-01-07T10:27:23.967" UserId="123098" />
  <row Id="12196" PostId="6068" Score="3" Text="@ChrisK - As we've pointed out, since necessity is the mother of invention, the &quot;airbags&quot; aren't needed yet.  You could posit that 4/8GigFC or 10GigE is the airbags I guess, but even still that's not necessary at the desktop or small biz level.  That's not to say you can't deploy 10GigE to the desktops if you want, but paying for something that will average 1% utilization seems silly.  That's like a town with 1 stop light all of a sudden putting in 4 lane roads and highways just because they can." CreationDate="2014-01-07T13:59:09.743" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12203" PostId="6070" Score="6" Text="Here's one thing. The SE dropdown on Christianity, English Language &amp; Usage, Super User, and other sites, highlights the relevant meta site below the current site. The SE dropdown on **Stack Overflow and Server Fault only** shows the relevant meta site *and Careers 2.0*. That suggests that Careers is marketed to Server Fault." CreationDate="2014-01-08T13:01:18.463" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="20078" PostId="6071" Score="0" Text="So do you think this won’t be a problem [with the new recent changes](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/8542/203649) ?" CreationDate="2015-12-17T00:51:15.137" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="12204" PostId="6072" Score="6" Text="I'm not sure about this being &quot;minor&quot;, considering how pervasive the verbiage is across the site. It's reassuring to hear though. Can you confirm that the automatic invites are keyed to SO activity, and not SF? If so, will this be changing?" CreationDate="2014-01-08T16:24:04.537" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="12205" PostId="6072" Score="1" Text="@andrewb Fair enough.  Minor in the context of making sure the SF community knew they were welcome in the CV database.  Reading your answer here too, I see your point on the general marketing towards programmers.  That is not something we want to address now for several reasons.  It's a complicated message to get across to employers, and the current system of working closely with our clients with their hiring needs works really well.  If a sys admin position is needed, we help them through the process of searching and posting jobs in the correct way." CreationDate="2014-01-08T16:45:22.083" UserId="204776" />
  <row Id="12206" PostId="6072" Score="1" Text="Hope it goes better than the last 2 or 3 times the FAQ/Help system has come up for revision......" CreationDate="2014-01-08T17:27:31.547" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="12207" PostId="6072" Score="0" Text="It's capital vs. opex all over again." CreationDate="2014-01-08T20:49:00.993" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="12209" PostId="6072" Score="4" Text="Another problem here is that sysadmins may or may not have sufficient reputation on SO, or activity on Github/Codeplex to qualify to sign up. I think some other means of qualifying sysadmins to sign up needs to be found." CreationDate="2014-01-09T22:09:55.597" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19131" PostId="6072" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton, @ WillCole, Are sysadmins and programmers the only targeted audience? What about DBAs, PMs, and QAs?" CreationDate="2015-08-21T22:01:25.217" UserId="87017" />
  <row Id="12266" PostId="6073" Score="1" Text="1. [SF] is English Only (yes I know that's ethnocentric and all that, I didn't make the rule) 2. Studies pretty universally show technology has negative impact on kids. Most prominently at ages &lt;2, but also up to age 16 (possibly older, though brain development slows greatly until stopping completely around 24). If you don't believe studies, the *smartest people in the world* are sending their kids to schools where *technology is forbidden*... That should *really* make you think twice before *deliberately* exposing kids to technology." CreationDate="2014-01-28T14:43:20.003" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12267" PostId="6073" Score="0" Text="English only: that’s why I’ve started translating some of it. But the other thing is pretty much ridiculous. Studies show whatever they were paid to show, and while I agree that children in general should not be introduced to technology in a harmful way (which includes leaving them alone with it), there are kids technologically skilled more than the average adult, who can really shine in that field with just some guidance and encouragement. Also, the goal of Teckids is to have kids teach kids, with adults only being there to kickstart it (and to answer questions, organise, etc.)." CreationDate="2014-01-29T09:44:06.743" UserId="189656" />
  <row Id="12335" PostId="6073" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS, I'd be interested in hearing more about these studies. Ping me in chat next time I wander by?" CreationDate="2014-02-10T01:01:41.663" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="12336" PostId="6073" Score="0" Text="@TRiG [Fool's Gold](http://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED445803) is a great read if you're interested in a concise guide to &quot;education&quot; for kids. It shines in explaining some misconceptions - the main two being 1. to be smart by age 18 you need to cram kids full of info starting very early. Technology gives people access to every bit of human knowledge and is a great tool for accessing knowledge; but cramming kids full of it is bad, and explained. 2. &quot;Education&quot; is in quotes because knowledge isn't the only reason kids are at school, there's a lot of other development going on as well, also explained." CreationDate="2014-02-10T02:54:04.370" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="22102" PostId="6075" Score="1" Text="I would add to this checklist: **Are you asking a *question*?** Far too many posts, especially from newcomers, are merely *statements of fact*. It's much easier to answer a question when the question is explicit about *what the OP wants to know*. For extra points, **are you asking a *single* question?**" CreationDate="2017-08-18T12:32:08.343" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="12210" PostId="6078" Score="0" Text="Hm, looks like it wasn't reversed at 00:00 UTC" CreationDate="2014-01-11T03:36:06.397" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12211" PostId="6078" Score="0" Text="It runs at 03:00 UTC, not midnight." CreationDate="2014-01-11T14:31:19.243" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12212" PostId="6078" Score="0" Text="Still nope. Seems like someone sufficiently persistent can get around it." CreationDate="2014-01-11T14:56:32.130" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12213" PostId="6078" Score="0" Text="Likely... Might want to use the &quot;contact&quot; at the bottom of the page. See what they say." CreationDate="2014-01-11T15:24:22.217" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12214" PostId="6078" Score="1" Text="Did a quick check; looks like these -3 were not from the same user as the first -10" CreationDate="2014-01-11T23:41:27.257" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="12215" PostId="6078" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson any chance they were sock puppets? It seems silly that they were back to back and on my highest rated non-wiki answers." CreationDate="2014-01-13T13:49:28.257" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12216" PostId="6078" Score="4" Text="@MDMarra The history doesn't show who did the 3 downvotes; there's a minimum number of votes before someone shows up. The original person did 10, they got reversed, the other person (could also be separate people) aren't from the same IP. Could be a sock, but they need 125 rep to downvote... so, that's some dedication" CreationDate="2014-01-13T16:42:22.770" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12218" PostId="6081" Score="0" Text="Ah, that explains it! I was unaware of that little detail..." CreationDate="2014-01-17T17:07:34.657" UserId="60384" />
  <row Id="12219" PostId="6081" Score="0" Text="...and I just realised that mine was one of the original close votes on SO. Life is a circle..." CreationDate="2014-01-17T17:10:37.950" UserId="60384" />
  <row Id="12223" PostId="6082" Score="1" Text="That your system appears different from how you remember it is of no consequence. From a sysadmin point of view it looks entirely normal. Without evidence to the contrary that's the long and the  short of it." CreationDate="2014-01-18T20:20:11.287" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12224" PostId="6082" Score="0" Text="In that case, why would the SSH tunnel be repeatedly failing with no log messages, with that behavior appearing at the same time as the high cache usage? That's not normal, and that's what I'm trying to debug. If the high cache usage isn't related, then it's an incredibly strange coincidence. Given a lack of any information about the SSH failure, I'm hoping finding the source of the cache usage might give me a clue as to the source of the SSH errors. That's why I asked the question." CreationDate="2014-01-18T20:56:53.170" UserId="108656" />
  <row Id="12225" PostId="6082" Score="2" Text="Stop arguing, gather evidence and present it. Up the log verbosity; install and configure monitoring. Without evidence there is nothing we can do except guess. My guess is [sunspots](http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ballard/bofh/bofhserver.pl)." CreationDate="2014-01-18T21:01:49.760" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12226" PostId="6082" Score="0" Text="Good advice to increase log verbosity, I just did that for sshd and I'll see what happens next time the tunnel fails. Is there a way to do the same thing and somehow log messages related to memory/cache errors?" CreationDate="2014-01-18T21:23:39.380" UserId="108656" />
  <row Id="12239" PostId="6082" Score="1" Text="You have a note in that question: &quot;This is NOT a duplicate as it was marked. The circumstances are substantially different.&quot; Why don't you *substantiate* that note. Edit your question to explain *how* and *why* your question is different. Do not add this as &quot;Edit&quot; or &quot;Update&quot;, rather, rewrite your question to include the additional information organically, not in forum-style. (This is a general guideline. I don't know enough to say whether your question is salvageable. In fact, I barely read it. It's not a subject on which I am well informed.)" CreationDate="2014-01-23T11:51:02.640" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="12244" PostId="6082" Score="1" Text="@TRiG I appreciate the advice; I can see how editing the question instead of appending info is a better approach. The information is scattered through the comments and it's a bit difficult to keep track of. Right now I can't edit it, though, and besides, I moved to a new VPS provider which fixed the problem (confirming it was in fact the provider) so the question is moot now." CreationDate="2014-01-23T19:56:51.513" UserId="108656" />
  <row Id="12221" PostId="6083" Score="0" Text="But 2GB of cache is used less than 30 seconds after a reboot, where there is far less than 2GB on disk and nothing being sent through the tunnel. The VPS control panel reports cache as part of its memory usage, and prior to a couple weeks ago always reported low usage. That's my question - why would it suddenly begin using large amounts of cache where it didn't before, and where there simply isn't enough data to fill the cache anyway?" CreationDate="2014-01-18T19:49:29.080" UserId="108656" />
  <row Id="12222" PostId="6083" Score="0" Text="The critical thing to remember is that it never filled the cache like this before a couple weeks ago, and nothing has changed in the meantime. It's not about the cache being filled - it's about why it's suddenly doing it now and not before, and why at the same time the SSH tunnel is repeatedly failing with no messages or warnings (I've checked `/var/log/secure` and there's nothing that indicates a failure - it's a silent failure that requires a reboot before any more SSH tunnels can be created)." CreationDate="2014-01-18T19:54:24.573" UserId="108656" />
  <row Id="12229" PostId="6083" Score="3" Text="I don't doubt that your server has an issue, but this is not it. At best the cache thing is a symptom of some completely separate problem, more likely it's a red herring. If I had to randomly guess this sounds like a corruption or hardware failure, possibly the former caused by the latter or a specific event." CreationDate="2014-01-20T00:45:49.383" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12227" PostId="6084" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the explanation. I'm assuming at this point that it has to do with OpenVZ since as I've said, I've run a lot of Linux machines before without this problem. (I actually created a CentOS VM instance with 2GB of RAM and configured it with the same configuration script, then ran the tunnels against that VM instead of the VPS... the `free` output showed that it behaved VERY differently than the VPS I'm asking about in the question, and instead behaved like the VPS has done for the months before I noticed the change). I'll just continue to monitor the logs and see what happens..." CreationDate="2014-01-19T03:30:10.330" UserId="108656" />
  <row Id="12228" PostId="6084" Score="0" Text="I switched VPS providers. The `free` command now shows what I expect it to, and the tunnel _does not fail_. I used the exact same configuration script and nothing changed on the tunneling machine. So there was DEFINITELY something wrong. Whether the weird memory usage was directly related or a symptom of a larger problem with the host, I guess we'll never know. The only major differences are the virtualization software and the kernel version used by each." CreationDate="2014-01-19T16:14:25.480" UserId="108656" />
  <row Id="12230" PostId="6085" Score="1" Text="Something like this? http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1986/what-are-the-canonical-answers-weve-discovered-over-the-years I believe linking to it on main has been suggested before, but shot down." CreationDate="2014-01-20T16:55:35.950" UserId="130858" />
  <row Id="12233" PostId="6087" Score="0" Text="I don't see anything obvious about [your question](http://serverfault.com/q/560146/126632) that would warrant deleting it." CreationDate="2014-01-21T15:59:20.380" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12234" PostId="6087" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton it is breaking the internet 8-|" CreationDate="2014-01-22T08:51:32.197" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="12235" PostId="6087" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton the usual unprofessional behavior by moderators here is is why." CreationDate="2014-01-22T13:34:12.047" UserDisplayName="user19039" />
  <row Id="12236" PostId="6087" Score="1" Text="Oh, the sheer irony of making such a claim on the only Stack Exchange site where _all_ the moderators are professionals. Would you care to justify that claim?" CreationDate="2014-01-22T15:08:10.343" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12240" PostId="6087" Score="0" Text="So youre saying a moderator calling users idiots is acceptable professionalism.&#xA;&#xA;Sounds like an argument you would make." CreationDate="2014-01-23T15:34:55.717" UserDisplayName="user19039" />
  <row Id="12241" PostId="6087" Score="2" Text="Did you flag the comment as non-constructive that you didn't like?  Getting directly called an &quot;idiot&quot; isn't acceptable here, but things happen and there are mechanisms in place to handle it.  If the flag doesn't handle it, you can post the issue here in Meta to resolve the &quot;conflict&quot;, citing the comment/answer and not posting in Meta a veiled rant.  Even if it is a moderator or high rep user, they can be called out for going over the line, even if their intent was to heavily persuade you towards the &quot;right way&quot;." CreationDate="2014-01-23T16:22:04.453" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12242" PostId="6087" Score="2" Text="Yes. Flagged and was edited by another moderator. The person who edited it was Chris S. Even after moderation vortaq7 was unapologetic and said his comment stands. That is still there to be seen. Person who made the comment: vortaq7. Also this was not a veiled rant. This was a question which got answered. Then of course moderators took it further than that AGAIN within this question. This question never once referenced the dispute. Micheal brought that in on his own accord." CreationDate="2014-01-23T18:06:46.800" UserDisplayName="user19039" />
  <row Id="12243" PostId="6087" Score="1" Text="Now Chris S. Has deleted my own answer which solved my question on this. Saying it in fact didnt solve my issue.&#xA;&#xA;Good to know. You guys are classy individuals. &#xA;Think that pretty much sums up everyones unprofessional behavior here." CreationDate="2014-01-23T19:47:09.067" UserDisplayName="user19039" />
  <row Id="12247" PostId="6087" Score="0" Text="I see modifications by  Michael Hampton, but no comment on wither or not its professional to call people idiots." CreationDate="2014-01-24T13:36:43.030" UserDisplayName="user19039" />
  <row Id="12249" PostId="6087" Score="0" Text="I get your points, but I think you have to understand something that may not sit well (and maybe @MichaelHampton and others will disagree with me on...who knows).  While we would love to say that SF and any site like it is non-partisan and doesn't play favorites, there is going to be some leeway given to users that are VERY active on the site, have unusually high rep, or are moderators.  It's just going to happen.  It's still a system overseen by humans.  You can call out the issue via flag or here in Meta but sometimes it is best to simply ignore a comment you don't like." CreationDate="2014-01-24T21:04:42.953" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12250" PostId="6087" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner I never saw the comment in question before it was edited, so I can't really comment on it." CreationDate="2014-01-24T21:25:40.900" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12281" PostId="6087" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner This is well understood, and probably what I should of done. However it doesn't negate the fact moderators exist which abuse the system and act un professional. Just like Michael cannot denounce even obvious questions like is calling someone an idiot unprofessional. Then resort to saying that they havnt seen it as some kind of back up defense. Sad that the only answer is that it's best not to interact at all and thats not the way it should be here. But just running away doesnt seem to ever address the issue. So I guess that leaves meta." CreationDate="2014-02-03T19:10:28.260" UserDisplayName="user19039" />
  <row Id="12232" PostId="6088" Score="10" Text="Note that by &quot;unusual circumstance&quot; we basically mean &quot;Unless you have a ***REALLY*** good reason your question isn't getting deleted.&quot; If you would like a question *disassociated* from your account (so nobody knows you're the one who asked it) we can do that for you too - simply flag the question with your request." CreationDate="2014-01-20T21:16:15.170" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12237" PostId="6089" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure this is a good answer, but I think it would make a good question.  Why not ask it as a new question, including a link that references the whole of this old answer?" CreationDate="2014-01-23T07:06:24.053" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12238" PostId="6089" Score="0" Text="Plus, a number of links (everything which is linked in the inbox or the recent reputation changes dropdown) are still hard-coded to `http://`. And Imgur/Cloudflare even *has* a `https://` service, although this is using TLS 1.0 *and even [RC4](http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/06/nsa_cryptobreaking_bullrun_analysis/)*. There still is some work to do." CreationDate="2014-01-23T07:18:39.847" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="12245" PostId="6089" Score="0" Text="chat is still http and doesn't load correctly at all with https; it's probably safest to say that the https isn't really here yet" CreationDate="2014-01-24T11:49:51.337" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12246" PostId="6089" Score="0" Text="The official line is that https isn't supported too http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/217341/links-in-inbox-and-achievements-panels-lead-back-to-insecure-non-https-pages#comment704312_217341" CreationDate="2014-01-24T13:32:03.903" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12248" PostId="6089" Score="0" Text="I will point out that on corporate devices, your employer can eavesdrop on anything, even with SSL enabled. Cisco IronPorts can MITM SSL by design." CreationDate="2014-01-24T17:27:06.813" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12251" PostId="6089" Score="1" Text="You realize that I was NOT trying to make a point about the security of SSL in general but about bored admins/neighbors/bosses eavesdropping on HTTP traffic, right?" CreationDate="2014-01-24T22:47:42.387" UserId="170506" />
  <row Id="12252" PostId="6090" Score="4" Text="The serial voting script runs daily at 3 am UTC. I didn't see any suspicious votes on your account today, but I'll take another look after 3 am." CreationDate="2014-01-24T23:05:12.260" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12253" PostId="6090" Score="0" Text="Thanks Michael. I was worried that the downvotes were coming in too low frequency to trip the script. However there's no other logical reason several posts that are &quot;dead&quot; have been drug back up and down voted all of a sudden. Thanks for checking and your time." CreationDate="2014-01-24T23:07:31.943" UserId="164245" />
  <row Id="12256" PostId="6090" Score="4" Text="Did you delete more then that one post?  Because all I see is two down votes.  http://serverfault.com/users/164245/snakedoc?tab=reputation&amp;sort=post" CreationDate="2014-01-24T23:21:26.173" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="12258" PostId="6090" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache no, but the downvotes started on dead threads at the same time the offending post was having problems. So they are linked undoubtedly. I'm not active on SF much, so it stands out." CreationDate="2014-01-24T23:24:17.807" UserId="164245" />
  <row Id="12259" PostId="6090" Score="2" Text="Right, but this is ~2 votes at the moment.  I often get votes on other questions/answers soon after posting something new.  IMO that is just how things work.  If you post something people find really good/bad, then they might go look at your other posts and vote accordingly.  This is not abuse, so long as they vote based on the merits of the merits of the specific question/answer." CreationDate="2014-01-24T23:39:41.610" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="12260" PostId="6090" Score="1" Text="There are only two downvotes, on two different posts, at very different times. This does not look like serial downvoting." CreationDate="2014-01-24T23:48:33.763" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12261" PostId="6090" Score="0" Text="thanks for the input fellas. i'm going to keep watching this. so many bitter people on SF quick to turn things personal. it's one thing to disagree, it's another entirely to attack someone for an opinion. thanks again for checking on it." CreationDate="2014-01-24T23:50:15.517" UserId="164245" />
  <row Id="12263" PostId="6090" Score="0" Text="@SnakeDoc: I (and others) checked on it using the publicly available tools and again you were found wanting ... there may be a pattern emerging." CreationDate="2014-01-25T13:21:32.373" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12265" PostId="6090" Score="1" Text="I think @Zoredache nailed it in that sometimes people will look at a vocal user like SnakeDoc and check out their other content.  Someone even answered one of his old questions 2 days ago, presumably because of this." CreationDate="2014-01-27T20:14:18.087" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12254" PostId="6091" Score="0" Text="Im being downvoted on perfectly good questions and answers. In fact, some had upvotes prior to this. In any event, I didn't know if the script would catch these since they are coming in slow (presumably to remain undetected). But over the course of a week, it may add up. I'll follow up if whoever's doing it doesn't cut it out." CreationDate="2014-01-24T23:11:59.650" UserId="164245" />
  <row Id="12257" PostId="6091" Score="5" Text="@SnakeDoc: I see 1 of 3 answers and 1 of 5 questions that have downvotes. I don't know when those downvotes occurred but honestly - stop whingeing and get a life." CreationDate="2014-01-24T23:22:12.183" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12262" PostId="6091" Score="5" Text="**Im being downvoted on perfectly good questions and answers.** -- in *your* opinion. Others may feel otherwise. There's been plenty of times that I've been downvoted on stuff that I thought was perfectly good. Sometimes I've re-examined a subject as a result of that and decided that I was mistaken, and the downvotes reasonable. There are plenty of times where my more 'trivial' answers have received more upvotes than ones I worked harder on. It's the nature of a site like this, &amp; in the absence of a identifiable pattern of abuse then its something you pretty much just have to live with." CreationDate="2014-01-25T11:47:44.800" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="12264" PostId="6091" Score="2" Text="Whining about downvoting generally doesn't do much to engender respect. Answer a few questions or ask some good ones, and we'll see." CreationDate="2014-01-25T16:29:03.580" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="12297" PostId="6097" Score="0" Text="Confirmed OK. Cannot reproduce bug in Chrome 32.0.1700.107." CreationDate="2014-02-05T03:35:32.583" UserId="23300" />
  <row Id="12280" PostId="6098" Score="2" Text="sorry for the spamming.  Didn't know it would.  I'll stop now, I think that was around 30 or so questions." CreationDate="2014-02-03T14:22:06.163" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12289" PostId="6098" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner If you're going to mass edit, try to do so between 20:00 and 8:00 UTC, when the site is pretty dead anyway." CreationDate="2014-02-04T14:51:00.783" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12282" PostId="6099" Score="4" Text="I've worked with engineers for years.  The clearest thing I've noticed is that they swear like troopers. This doesn't make them any less professional." CreationDate="2014-02-04T11:27:41.567" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="12283" PostId="6099" Score="36" Text="@TomO'Connor: I've worked with engineers and scientists (people) for years too and yes they swear like troopers (some of them actually where) but one thing is for sure, they don't put it in writing. If they did that would be entirely unprofessional." CreationDate="2014-02-04T11:42:00.283" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12284" PostId="6099" Score="0" Text="I've relented and edited the comment." CreationDate="2014-02-04T11:55:05.750" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="12285" PostId="6099" Score="1" Text="@TomO'Connor: I can't see that even the reworded comment adds any value especially when put alongside your an Falcon's excellent answers." CreationDate="2014-02-04T12:53:27.147" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12286" PostId="6099" Score="0" Text="It doesn't. But it's certainly not as 'rude'" CreationDate="2014-02-04T13:09:55.993" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="12296" PostId="6099" Score="7" Text="What if the boss actually IS stupid?" CreationDate="2014-02-05T03:22:20.440" UserId="199960" />
  <row Id="12298" PostId="6099" Score="5" Text="@VasiliSyrakis: There is no evidence of stupidity; it's not our place to say or care, we should just focus on on the Q&amp;A." CreationDate="2014-02-05T07:32:46.777" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12319" PostId="6099" Score="0" Text="Besides the name calling, which is unprofessional in any language, I am an adult and swear often. While I don't use offensive words on and stack exchange sites, I at the same time don't see a reason to downgrade or close questions / answers for it unless it is extremely offensive IE racism, f's, etc." CreationDate="2014-02-07T02:03:08.103" UserId="47017" />
  <row Id="12347" PostId="6099" Score="2" Text="@Iain Agreed. Regardless how &quot;dumb&quot; the boss is, it's: 1) None of our business, and 2) The attitude of that answer is unacceptable in any profession, and certainly not the standards of Stack Exchange site. I really hope we don't condone this behavior, because that's not the quality of an answer I am looking for when I consult the Stack Exchange sites. If I did, I'd go on 4chan or Reddit." CreationDate="2014-02-10T16:42:30.293" UserId="208415" />
  <row Id="12287" PostId="6100" Score="10" Text="Yes, this. All of this." CreationDate="2014-02-04T13:32:54.177" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="12294" PostId="6100" Score="3" Text="+1. Very eloquently put Sir. BTW, the original text just shows juvenile and frustrated nature of the commenter, which is not adding any." CreationDate="2014-02-05T00:19:40.683" UserId="204141" />
  <row Id="12295" PostId="6100" Score="0" Text="Agreed. I've also seen this attitude leak into commentary about people in the thread (not as explicitly). I've flagged more comments as rude/unconstructive on ServerFault than on all of the other SE sites put together. I'm glad to see suggestions for ways to improve that trend." CreationDate="2014-02-05T02:48:21.963" UserId="119632" />
  <row Id="12318" PostId="6100" Score="0" Text="@Nick: This topic comes up with unfortunate regularity." CreationDate="2014-02-06T14:12:19.257" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="12364" PostId="6100" Score="1" Text="+1 from me too.  If necessary, it is perfectly possibly to politely imply the boss in question has the IQ of a small gherkin without having to resort to profanity or playground language.  And, it is often more effective when done politely..." CreationDate="2014-02-12T03:47:53.877" UserId="184509" />
  <row Id="12290" PostId="6101" Score="4" Text="The review audits are automagically generated and are a waste of good reviewer's time. If you can find it again and flag it that would be a goof thing to do." CreationDate="2014-02-04T21:44:41.340" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12292" PostId="6101" Score="1" Text="It looks like @voretaq7 has located the offending post and has cleaned it up. Unsurprisingly ..." CreationDate="2014-02-04T22:30:51.110" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12293" PostId="6101" Score="2" Text="I did flag it.  It was memorable.  :)" CreationDate="2014-02-04T22:40:25.400" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12304" PostId="6101" Score="1" Text="...and now it's been sanitized, and is less memorable.  Oh well." CreationDate="2014-02-05T09:59:45.483" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12307" PostId="6101" Score="0" Text=":(  It's a good answer, @HopelessN00b, with or without the language.  That was never in question." CreationDate="2014-02-05T12:53:58.067" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12299" PostId="6103" Score="1" Text="Precisely.  Unless someone's actually posting explicit hate speech (racial slurs, sexuality slurs etc) I'm pretty much not going to edit it.  Mostly because I don't see the F-bomb as being rude, at all.  Because like HN, I've been exposed to it since puberty.  I also *really* don't want to go down this road of censorship, because it's starting to feel like Mary Whitehouse is lurking in the shadows.  Again." CreationDate="2014-02-05T07:38:08.230" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="12300" PostId="6103" Score="1" Text="This doesn't answer the question posed." CreationDate="2014-02-05T07:45:15.220" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12301" PostId="6103" Score="0" Text="@TomO'Connor: In the vast majority of my life comments life that wouldn't really bother me, I just don't see the need for them or that kind of language here on Server Fault." CreationDate="2014-02-05T07:49:49.457" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12302" PostId="6103" Score="1" Text="@Iain Sure it does.  In much the same way that &quot;don't set up an open email relay&quot; is considered a valid answer to a question asking how to setup an open email relay [on SF], this is a valid answer to a discussion-tagged question on what type of language is appropriate for SF.  Obviously, it's also an answer you don't like and disagree with, so downvote it (again) if you want, but I can't even parse the logical gymnastics you have to do to claim that an answer explaining why mild language *is* appropriate for SF isn't an answer to a question about what kind of language is appropriate for SF." CreationDate="2014-02-05T07:53:48.143" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12303" PostId="6103" Score="2" Text="I really don't see why SE should waste money implementing a 'filter' when all it really takes is for a small number of players to implement some personal moderation.  You've unsurprisingly missed (or chosen not to see) the point entirely. Ass in and of itself isn't overtly offensive but when put in context the whole comment is rude. It adds no value to the question and was ( I would suggest) only written to grandstand and play to the stereotypical sysadmin audience." CreationDate="2014-02-05T09:54:16.183" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12305" PostId="6103" Score="2" Text="@Iain I **do** implement some personal moderation, thank you very much.  Furthermore, the only &quot;context&quot; in which `Your boss doesn't know his ass from an SMTP relay` could reasonably be considered &quot;rude&quot; is when said in the presence of the dumb boss being spoken of, or perhaps when said in the company of small children or nuns.  To my knowledge, none of those typically browse ServerFault, so I don't see the problem here.  Evidently, I'm not tactful or sensitive or family-friendly (or w/e) enough for your taste, and you're overly sensitive for mine.  This really requires a meta thread? :/" CreationDate="2014-02-05T10:10:37.843" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12306" PostId="6103" Score="6" Text="&quot;technical peers, who, let's not forget, have a well-earned reputation for being insensitive and using sharp language.&quot; I personally grew up on military bases and am comfortable with profanity.  Not everyone is.  For example, I had a mentee/employee who was a Christian and very uncomfortable with that kind of language.  He never said anything, but the few times I slipped his wince always made me sorry I had.  Similarly, many women are less comfortable with that language than I am.  Do we want all new colleagues to look and sound exactly like us, or do we want to welcome everyone who's skilled?" CreationDate="2014-02-05T12:47:00.290" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12308" PostId="6103" Score="0" Text="@KatherineVillyard That would be precisely why I don't make a habit of turning the filter off around people whom I don't know well. I'm not dropping f-bombs, sexual references, or vulgar language.  `Your boss doesn't know his ass from an SMTP relay. [...] find a boss who's less stupid`, is perfectly acceptable language for adult discourse, doubly so for an audience of techies who are generally more comfortable with sharp language than most. I'm not looking to make anyone uncomfortable, but at the same time, if that quoted text makes someone uncomfortable, that's their issue, not mine." CreationDate="2014-02-05T13:08:25.920" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12309" PostId="6103" Score="2" Text="I really do understand the point you're trying to make, @HopelessN00b.  You're making an argument to culture and community standards, while I'm making an argument to inclusiveness and standards of public discourse.  I think the point where we're diverging is partially the nature of SF itself:  public or private.  Are we assuming everyone reading us is one of us?  and what does the phrase &quot;one of us&quot; entail?" CreationDate="2014-02-05T13:22:46.997" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12310" PostId="6103" Score="0" Text="@KatherineVillyard  If you say so.  But at the same time as we're talking about being as inclusive as possible, it's probably worth bearing in mind that having  Mary Whitehouse lurking in every thread waiting to pounce on any trivial language which may be inappropriate for small children is also exclusive and off-putting.  Really, who likes &quot;grammar Nazis&quot; or &quot;courtesy police?&quot;  And which group of people do we think is larger?  Adults who expect all language to be appropriate for a classroom of preschoolers, or adults who are put-off by having that standard imposed on them?" CreationDate="2014-02-05T13:44:16.643" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12311" PostId="6103" Score="4" Text="I don't think anyone wants to hold us to preschool standards.  :)  Honestly, I came into this meta thread because I felt I was getting mixed signals about what type of language was appropriate.  I don't really feel enlightened beyond &quot;use your best judgment and the community will decide.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-02-05T13:59:59.917" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12312" PostId="6103" Score="3" Text="@HopelessN00b The point that it seems that you are not ACK'ing is that the site community does not appreciate the tone of your answers. We're all adults; nobody's going to be damaged or scarred because they saw curse words. If you were to take the emotion and inflammation out of your answers and comments, tact them up just a tad, you would have some of the best answers on the site. As it is, you're rubbing people the wrong way needlessly. Look, I want you on the site answering questions. I really do. But this site - a place for SysAdmins - has asked or told you multiple times to tone it down." CreationDate="2014-02-05T15:10:08.760" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="12313" PostId="6103" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo ...and &quot;if a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops.&quot;  But the frog doesn't have wings, so he bumps his ass when he hops.  And I'm not tactful enough for some people's taste, so here we are, I guess. For the record, I have toned it down. A lot.  But this.. the &quot;language&quot; that's being objected to in this thread... simply ridiculous.  You're not going to be able to have your cake and eat it too on this one - either I'm around, answering questions, and occasionally pointing out that someone's boss is being a dumbass (and using mildly coarse language), or I'm not around." CreationDate="2014-02-05T17:33:47.117" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12315" PostId="6103" Score="3" Text="Again, @HopelessN00b, it's less the language than it is the tone. Consistently your tone indicates that you have an awful attitude." CreationDate="2014-02-06T03:24:32.367" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="12316" PostId="6103" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo  And again, the tone (or attitude) and the expertise are part of the same package. You can curse the darkness or wish the frog had wings, but that's not going to bring the light, or create a flying frog. That is what it is, and I am who I am. It's just not gonna change, no matter how much you might like it to, so the only question left is whether (on the balance) I should be part of this community or not.  In my mind, the answer to that question (and that the question even needs to be asked) is instructive WRT the broader problem of why SF isn't reaching the broader sysadmin community." CreationDate="2014-02-06T04:02:20.097" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12317" PostId="6103" Score="6" Text="You can better express that the asker's boss is an incompetent idiot interfering in things he does not understand by being polite and addressing specifics.  I don't disagree with your sentiment at all." CreationDate="2014-02-06T08:22:38.743" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="12321" PostId="6103" Score="4" Text="One other thing you are seeing wrong. Serverfault is &quot;by sysadmins, for sysadmins&quot; and not e.g. &quot;by sysadmins from the USA, for sysadmins in the USA&quot;. Yes it might be that the sys admins you know do swear a lot. But this doesn't imply that all sys admins all over the world do swear often. In my opinion we do have to use here a language where everyone is comfortable with. This means as well to not use proverbs. expressions etc. which are not understood everywhere or which can be misunderstood." CreationDate="2014-02-07T17:10:26.623" UserId="12338" />
  <row Id="12322" PostId="6103" Score="2" Text="That's an interesting perspective that I hadn't considered, @RaffaelLuthiger. Thank you." CreationDate="2014-02-08T02:15:25.180" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="12324" PostId="6105" Score="2" Text="We also link to this page in one of the mod messages, so I am definitely interested in customizing it." CreationDate="2014-02-08T21:25:16.623" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12326" PostId="6105" Score="1" Text="How effective are the links in the current close reasons? How many OPs for example read the How to Ask page linked to in the reason you quote after their question is closed ? What about the other helpful links for other close reasons ?" CreationDate="2014-02-09T08:34:03.157" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12328" PostId="6105" Score="2" Text="The vast, vast, vast majority of people who ask the really bad questions have (somehow) managed to avoid reading the SF FAQ, looking around the site even a little, or even consulting Google.  And when ServerFault doesn't provide them &quot;teh codez for fixing [foo]&quot; they vanish, never to be seen on ServerFault again.  So while we can provide some more helpful text, I am in complete agreement with Iain that it's not something worth putting much effort into.  Anyone who actually cares about asking better questions has no problems finding the resources we already have for that purpose." CreationDate="2014-02-09T08:44:54.610" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12329" PostId="6105" Score="0" Text="Not particularly effective, @Iain. I've been struggling a bit to get accurate numbers on how many folks actually follow these links, but 1-2% is a rough estimate. The hard truth is that relatively few people will read *anything* that you put in front of them - you can hope to target the conscientious minority, and nothing more." CreationDate="2014-02-09T17:14:38.417" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="12330" PostId="6105" Score="1" Text="@Shog9: That's actually worse than I would have guessed. Perhaps it's time to stop wasting time on people who don't want to help themselves and direct energies towards the people who want to make this a better place ?" CreationDate="2014-02-09T18:31:51.967" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12331" PostId="6105" Score="1" Text="Well, any time you do something like this you have to assume you're doing it for the productive minority, @Iain - you can't get blood from a turnip. Y'all seem to have an exceptionally difficult time attracting that minority, but Sturgeon's Law applies pretty much everywhere." CreationDate="2014-02-09T18:40:21.867" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="12333" PostId="6105" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 If we could just stop the turnips from asking questions though ..." CreationDate="2014-02-09T22:51:26.810" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12518" PostId="6105" Score="0" Text="A month passes, it'll soon be spring at this rate ... is anything going to happen here ?" CreationDate="2014-03-07T12:40:52.173" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12718" PostId="6105" Score="1" Text="Tempus fugit, another month passes with no apparent movement on this. Is anything likely to happen? At least it's spring so we have the other idea you have to look forward too." CreationDate="2014-04-09T06:59:20.653" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12822" PostId="6105" Score="0" Text="@Iain [4 to 6 weeks](http://serverfault.com/help/how-to-ask) (I've got a diamond, I'm allowed to use that excuse right?) -- Are there any more of these hanging around?" CreationDate="2014-04-17T03:20:02.657" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12830" PostId="6105" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7: Not that I'm aware of but as [Michael notes](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6105/what-server-fault-specific-advice-should-we-give-folks-asking-questions-here#comment12324_6105) there is a mod message that may need tweaking." CreationDate="2014-04-17T09:09:29.207" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12325" PostId="6106" Score="8" Text="+1 Unfortunately I have to agree with the last part." CreationDate="2014-02-09T04:32:02.003" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12327" PostId="6106" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS: Sadly, it will most likely just become a link target for the ever decreasing number of people who care to point the clueless at." CreationDate="2014-02-09T08:36:05.807" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12823" PostId="6106" Score="0" Text="I basically snarfed the major points from the default page and your checklist (tried to distill it down to 5 items, wound up with 6) and added links to some of the canonical meta questions on how to write a decent (main site) question. It all fits on one of my screens, so hopefully it won't be too intimidating for new users and maybe the truly exceptional will follow the links" CreationDate="2014-04-17T03:24:35.333" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12825" PostId="6106" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7: Cheers. I think that it's still too much `wall of text` (the bullet points of the cheklist are better) but given that it will almost never be read by the people who `need` to read it ..." CreationDate="2014-04-17T05:43:33.540" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12826" PostId="6106" Score="0" Text="@Iain I'm definitely open to suggestions for tightening it up - I just didn't want to throw 20 &quot;Do these things noob!&quot; bullet points up - that's almost as intimidating to some folks as a wall of text (and because of markdown's formatting.... *eccentricities* it can be  tough to read too)" CreationDate="2014-04-17T06:14:27.637" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12827" PostId="6106" Score="0" Text="I prefer the imperative style of Do this ... myself but hey we're spending more time that will be useful to the &quot;My server is herping, and I need it to derp, what CPU should I buy?&quot; crowd already." CreationDate="2014-04-17T06:25:36.637" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12334" PostId="6107" Score="3" Text="You'll have to get a SE Employee to answer those. Can say that December 2013 saw the least Questions and Answers ever, and Jan '14 was in the bottom 5. Question closing remained steady at ~1Q/h." CreationDate="2014-02-09T23:11:20.063" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12340" PostId="6107" Score="0" Text="Maybe this will help: http://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/164049/percentage-of-closed-questions-per-month - looks like Nov 2013 = 7.7%, Dec 2013 = 8.5%, Jan 2014 = 12%, and so far in Feb 2014 = 20%.  Doesn't quite answer your questions, but might still be helpful." CreationDate="2014-02-10T15:04:33.533" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12341" PostId="6107" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner: I'm more interested in trying to get a handle of the closed/reopened relationship." CreationDate="2014-02-10T15:10:24.350" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12342" PostId="6107" Score="0" Text="@Iain - others to look at or possibly fork: http://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/79008/how-many-posts-are-reopened-per-month and http://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/75547/closed-reopened-questions" CreationDate="2014-02-10T15:19:30.880" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12332" PostId="6108" Score="12" Text="We simply do not attract and or hold onto our target market. Instead we attract the clueless and feckless which in turn drives off the cluefull who do drop by." CreationDate="2014-02-09T22:20:35.163" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12338" PostId="6108" Score="2" Text="@Iain - I have the impression we do attract the market ... but then probably turn it away. I felt attracted as a sysadmin to serverfault - a place where I could exchange questions and answers with experienced sysadmin." CreationDate="2014-02-10T14:28:06.803" UserId="99871" />
  <row Id="12358" PostId="6108" Score="0" Text="@ETL: Retaining the cluefull isn't a new problem but it is more acute than ever before. It's particularly bad in people who frequent the FOSS tags, there being almost no cost to entry it attracts the clueless." CreationDate="2014-02-10T21:34:04.553" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12365" PostId="6108" Score="2" Text="@Iain, not sure about your opinion of FOSS users and the lack of quality due to the low entry cost. I've always found far more insightful help and discussions on FOSS mailing lists (precise and polite questions always get better treatment, as everywhere) than on some major proprietary systems forums. Perhaps it has to do with where insightful people already hang out." CreationDate="2014-02-12T12:22:53.083" UserId="47187" />
  <row Id="12366" PostId="6108" Score="1" Text="@Bruno: I wasn't talking about any other context than ServerFault." CreationDate="2014-02-12T12:37:38.917" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12377" PostId="6108" Score="0" Text="IMHO clueless questions are easily ignored, its not them so much as the elitist attitudes often displayed that puts off the target audience" CreationDate="2014-02-13T15:12:06.120" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="12344" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="the really complicated questions require in depth troubleshooting, which this forum cannot (and probably should not) provide. Or access to very high level subject matter experts (this is why spiceworks like to have company reps around, and I think we should somehow try to follow that example)" CreationDate="2014-02-10T15:33:56.173" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="12355" PostId="6109" Score="10" Text="http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/" CreationDate="2014-02-10T20:47:06.393" UserId="205145" />
  <row Id="12356" PostId="6109" Score="1" Text="@ntoskrnl YES!!! That is exactly the problem SF is having!" CreationDate="2014-02-10T21:26:25.737" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12378" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="you acknowledge that some people have a different opinion then immediately disparage it as an 'unenlightened suggestion', prime example.  I would rather have 1000 'spoonlickers' with one who potentially turns into a sysadmin than a snob club.  Poor questions shouldn't wear you down, you can just ignore them, ratings and search are there to highlight the wheat amongst the chaff already." CreationDate="2014-02-13T15:16:23.463" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="12379" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="@JamesRyan I don't know when I've ever suggested that there are no other opinions. But if you want a site where anything goes, why aren't you on Yahoo Answers or /r/SysAdmin? Why do you think we should change when the paradigm you advocate is already available elsewhere? It can't be that you find some additional value in the [SE] model, as you vocally wish to tear down that structure." CreationDate="2014-02-13T15:29:06.277" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12380" PostId="6109" Score="1" Text="SF can not work as a handful of high reppers answering questions for all of the masses, it needs a heirachy of answerers and that means a range of difficultly in questions.  It is ok to have questions that you find too simple or boring, *you* don't have to answer everything.  But by kicking out all those questions you take away those stepping stones of entry." CreationDate="2014-02-13T15:31:45.413" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="12381" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="Also I am not tearing down any structure, or criticising the SE model.  Other SE don't seem to have this problem.  What is different on SF is that there is a vocal minority pulling it in a direction, rather than letting it find it's natural balance. I just question whether the assumptions that that vocal minority work on are correct." CreationDate="2014-02-13T15:39:31.817" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="12382" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="@JamesRyan SF ***DOES*** work as a handful of high reppers answers questions for all of the masses. In the last 30 days half of all answers were provided by just 122 users; a quarter by just 25 users. Given the 3170 questions in that time, in the top quartile there's over 30 people asking questions for every 1 person providing answers - and this goes on every single day. Those people providing answer tend to burn out - stats show they leave after about 6 months. Super User is the only other site with this level of imbalance, which causes their own set of problems." CreationDate="2014-02-13T15:45:09.377" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12383" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="There is no &quot;natural balance&quot; - that is the problem with your line of thinking. Please take a moment to read the article linked in the the comments above, it does a good job of explaining the situation. This has happened before, and now it's happening again." CreationDate="2014-02-13T15:49:11.580" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12384" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Clearly how it is happening now doesn't 'work' if it is burning people out." CreationDate="2014-02-13T16:00:22.973" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="12385" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS as for vampires and the article, I am well aware of what you *think* the answer to problem is and it hasn't been making much of an improvement.  I think that your solution actually encourages that to be the only behavior whereas my solution is to ignore those vampires and drown them out by supporting everyone else rather than pushing desirables away as collateral damage.  The SE rating model does allow a natural balance if you let it do its job." CreationDate="2014-02-13T16:04:59.180" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="12386" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="So how would you explain the [NetworkEngineering.SE] site being created? The site's purpose completely overlaps with [SF], yet the people who created the site felt 1. Underserved by SF because the SF's audience was &quot;too wide&quot; 2. That they could not attract networking experts to a site with such wide topicality" CreationDate="2014-02-13T16:06:04.150" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12387" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="I think at the moment a lot of people feel unwelcomed by SF and would rather start their own communities" CreationDate="2014-02-13T16:07:35.220" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="12388" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="I didn't say that they felt unwelcome. You've avoided my question and projected your own feelings onto their decision." CreationDate="2014-02-13T16:09:00.960" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12389" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="You are taking that reasoning too literally and not seeing the big picture.  Other SE sites work fine with niche experts amongst a wide scope.&#xA;&#xA;Maybe the answer actually is to chop up SF gradually and leave the toxic culture behind." CreationDate="2014-02-13T16:12:04.147" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="12390" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="I don't think it's fair to make assumptions about what people mean. Especially when you interpret their words to fit your own agenda." CreationDate="2014-02-13T16:17:11.947" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12391" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="Yes it is only my opinion that niche experts arn't in SF but are in other SE sites because they are not made welcome.  But it is only your opinion that that isn't the reason.  If you are going to question assumptions then you need to look at your own too. My only agenda is to make a SF that is popular and works better.  The people who have been trying to steer it in that direction haven't been able to make a difference, at what point are you/they going to listen to other people's ideas?" CreationDate="2014-02-13T16:18:47.623" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="12392" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="I've heard your ideas. So has the Moderation team. I am unconvinced by your argument. The key problem I have is that it takes energy to ignore the &quot;noise&quot; (questions you aren't interested in). The higher the noise level, the more energy an Answerer devotes to ignore it, and the less energy they have to put into Answers. At some point the Answerer does not feel personally rewarded by their contributions enough to justify putting the same level of energy into SF and leave. What part of that is wrong, or how specifically do you address this issue in your &quot;allow everything&quot; proposal?" CreationDate="2014-02-13T16:29:30.267" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12393" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="I agree with what you are saying but I think it also applies to the case where eager beavers have answered or voted to close every question before they get to try to answer anything. There are tags, top questions, etc. to narrow down what you are interested in, you shouldn't expect to want to answer every question. Someone else might.  Total junk questions will soon get voted to oblivion." CreationDate="2014-02-13T16:38:10.933" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="12396" PostId="6109" Score="0" Text="People don't vote. I don't know why, and have no idea how to fix the issue. That's a problem now, and more so for your proposal. Tags, top questions, etc are still more effort, so still the same issue. [SO] has better filtering abilities, but I believe it's all still manual, nothing automated or &quot;intelligent&quot; (if you answer a question with XYZ tags, you don't see more questions with those tag for example). This could be improved, but it's not &quot;there&quot; now. I doubt that there will be enough *eager beavers* to make up for *expert losses*, but would be willing to try if not for the other issues." CreationDate="2014-02-13T18:27:49.687" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12337" PostId="6110" Score="6" Text="We all find ourselves answering the same question over and over again. Eventually we realise that closing them as duplicates is the best way forward. As you don't have vote to close privileges you can flag as duplicate." CreationDate="2014-02-10T07:30:49.830" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12346" PostId="6110" Score="0" Text="But @Iain - http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/219766/leave-open-link-in-vote-to-close-dialog-box#comment711988_219766 `&quot; Questions here are always duplicates, @voretaq7 - you just weren't looking hard enough. –  Shog9♦ Feb 6 at 20:58 &quot;'" CreationDate="2014-02-10T15:50:36.417" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12348" PostId="6110" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner: Most people don't look at all." CreationDate="2014-02-10T16:49:04.340" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12350" PostId="6110" Score="1" Text="Yeah, I was stating that Shog made the comment that EVERYTHING is a dupe, and I loved Magellan's rebuttal there." CreationDate="2014-02-10T18:54:44.330" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12353" PostId="6110" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner: Oh yeah - Magellan played a blinder there with that one." CreationDate="2014-02-10T19:28:21.883" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12343" PostId="6111" Score="4" Text="Not sure which category I might be falling in, but you've missed a point. I (and I'm sure I'm not alone) come here to keep up with technology I don't have on my desk in my current job. Solving real world issues is the best way to learn new stuff and keep up with the current versions of tech that I don't necessarily work with daily. If I can give back to the community while I'm at it, then why not, eh?" CreationDate="2014-02-10T15:31:36.337" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="12345" PostId="6111" Score="0" Text="Thanks @dyasny - my post was originally meant as a comment that escalated into a spew of thoughts.  I wasn't listing the reasons for people coming to the site for the regulars or high reppers (like you), but I agree with you to some extent.  I do think there are other sites that are better suited to inform/learn about tech though.  Reading a Q&amp;A here about a tech you don't use may get you interested in finding out more about that tech though, sure.  Again, my post here is likely to be downvoted overall as &quot;disagree&quot;, but I'm just calling it from my vantage point...each person's is different." CreationDate="2014-02-10T15:48:50.753" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12349" PostId="6111" Score="2" Text="Anything that involves providing reading material to the people who need to read it is ultimately doomed." CreationDate="2014-02-10T17:26:00.893" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12357" PostId="6111" Score="1" Text="I probably qualify as a &quot;regular.&quot;  ;)  I've been trying to hook my techhie friends on the site, but perhaps my explanations are lacking because so far I only have the one hanging out.  My favorite reaction to date was, &quot;Oh!  I get it!  Server Fault is an ONLINE GAME!&quot;  I told him yes, one based on Cory Doctorow's Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom.  ;)  (http://craphound.com/down/?page_id=1625)  Anyway.  I find the site equal measures of educational and fun, and highlighting both can only help, right?" CreationDate="2014-02-10T21:32:25.697" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12361" PostId="6111" Score="1" Text="I've found that Server Fault whuffie doesn't spend IRL, however.  &gt;smile&lt;" CreationDate="2014-02-10T23:36:29.260" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="12362" PostId="6111" Score="0" Text="@EvanAnderson And how sad is that?  :D" CreationDate="2014-02-11T01:17:59.553" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12451" PostId="6111" Score="0" Text="One thing that would help to reduce the burden of re-answering the same question is to provide a simple and intuitive way of merging or linking questions. If someone asks @ETL's stereotypical question about how to set up multiple web sites on a single server, and it's genuinely a duplicate, provide a way for it to be marked as a duplicate, and after a certain number of votes, any future references to the question get redirected. And the original poster gets notified where their answer lies." CreationDate="2014-02-21T09:28:36.827" UserId="129161" />
  <row Id="12369" PostId="6112" Score="0" Text="Only thing I'd ask would be what's wrong with the one we have now?  (Yes, that blog post).  It's an important question to ask if we want to construct something &quot;better.&quot;  Given that the &quot;not about… Product, service, or learning material recommendations&quot; bit has been added to the FAQ, and is linked (making it stand out), I'm not sure that we'd be making a significant improvement by writing a custom version of &quot;Q&amp;A is hard, let's go shopping!&quot;" CreationDate="2014-02-13T05:08:44.540" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12375" PostId="6112" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b - my thought process here is that the entire &quot;Q&amp;A is hard&quot; page doesn't fit SF.  But since there's not an overwhelming flood of answers here I'm guessing most either think it's a waste of time to alter or that the rightful cynic in them knows the changes will still not be heeded by the people that should be reading it regardless." CreationDate="2014-02-13T13:54:11.540" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12394" PostId="6112" Score="0" Text="`For an SF question, it reads more like &quot;you can't ask which server to buy, but you could ask what to look for in a server for a particular scenario.&quot;` - Someone start composing?  Once it is done lets get it posted on blog.serverfault.com?" CreationDate="2014-02-13T17:43:27.587" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="12441" PostId="6114" Score="0" Text="What brought you to the site?" CreationDate="2014-02-20T18:40:12.963" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12442" PostId="6114" Score="1" Text="Server Fault and Stack Overflow kept coming up in my googling, and one day I decided it would be fun to *answer* questions rather than just googling up other people's answers." CreationDate="2014-02-20T18:41:48.007" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12443" PostId="6114" Score="0" Text="I do wonder if I'm addicted... I should chime in. But in the developer world, I mention StackOverflow and it's a highly-regarded resource. When I meet other systems administrators in real life, few seem to use ServerFault. It's a shame, as there's a lot of good knowledge that's not being shared." CreationDate="2014-02-20T18:44:15.403" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12444" PostId="6114" Score="1" Text="Stack Overflow is busier.  I think that's because there's more dev than ops.  I do try to promote Server Fault to my friends, because I think it's a great site, but I don't think it's fair to compare us to Stack Overflow because of the sheer volume difference.  Entertainingly, my boss (a developer!) once asked me if I'd ever heard of Server Fault, and I was able to tell him I had over 1000 rep points on Server Fault.  (That'll date the question, ha!).  He was impressed.  :D" CreationDate="2014-02-20T18:48:43.320" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12458" PostId="6114" Score="0" Text="@ewwhite Oh.  It occurs to me that maybe I should also add:  I follow Brent Ozar on Twitter, and he promotes dba.stackexchange.com pretty hard.  And yet, I'm here.  :)  Similarly, one of my friends that I've been encouraging to post here is instead in the top 3% of rep for Stack Overflow this month for posting PowerShell answers.  :)  I think you just click with a Stack Exchange site." CreationDate="2014-02-22T14:46:37.213" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12374" PostId="6115" Score="3" Text="It's a terrible title, because *it's not a question, but it has a question mark on the end*!" CreationDate="2014-02-13T13:23:23.537" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="12367" PostId="6116" Score="0" Text="No disagreement here. But a slightly different angle which I tried to make as well... what about the guy tonight who ask a question which the answer is mod_rewrite but in truth he has no clue that this is the solution so his search, not knowing the term, does not find the right answer.... so the answer to his question becomes &quot;use mod rewrite - check there to read up on this&quot; and that should do it - if he refuse the answer, then he is an ass. I think on SF we would be ok with that kind of answer. On SuperUser for example, they'll slap you for giving a RTFM answer. Ok here? I think so..." CreationDate="2014-02-13T04:48:01.430" UserId="99871" />
  <row Id="12368" PostId="6116" Score="0" Text="... granted, that guy was not a sysadmin and belonged really on SuperUser or something..." CreationDate="2014-02-13T04:48:30.993" UserId="99871" />
  <row Id="12370" PostId="6116" Score="0" Text="@ETL then it would be a matter of putting a useful edit on the question (or answer) to help it be better grabbed by anyone using the search.  Off the top of my head, that would probably involve a brief, generic &quot;problem&quot; or explanation/statement that mod_rewrite is used to redirect websites/urls programmatically.  Could be you who adds this content/keywords/tags to the existing canonical..." CreationDate="2014-02-13T05:15:34.127" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12376" PostId="6116" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b - done!" CreationDate="2014-02-13T14:33:41.487" UserId="99871" />
  <row Id="12398" PostId="6117" Score="2" Text="Most of the questions which are asking how to write a rule are bad.  But some of the ones needing debugging or dealing with unexpected configuration results, interactions with other modules that aren't well documented, etc. are good questions that would say we should keep.  I'd propose a standard of &quot;**if you're asking for help writing mod_rewrite rules, instead of asking for help with unexpected behavior in the configuration you have (which should have taken at least some research), always close**&quot;, and see where it gets us to have a slightly higher bar for these - thoughts?" CreationDate="2014-02-14T02:00:51.790" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="12400" PostId="6117" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden: I have no real opinion on the matter I almost never go near a mod_rewrite question, they all look the same to me :) My answer is just based on what I (think) I know of the way things work and what we've done in the past for other similar issues." CreationDate="2014-02-14T07:37:33.680" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12395" PostId="6118" Score="2" Text="Wow, &quot;core&quot; is a mess of cpu core, core dumps and software with core in the name... cores and multicore all seem like they should get merged into multi-core with a synonym configured." CreationDate="2014-02-13T17:55:29.980" UserId="7645" />
  <row Id="12399" PostId="6118" Score="2" Text="Should be burninated...and blacklisted. And cast into the fiery depths of hell..." CreationDate="2014-02-14T05:43:48.070" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12455" PostId="6118" Score="0" Text="In a perfect world, [tag:smp] and [tag:numa] should suffice" CreationDate="2014-02-21T18:03:54.153" UserId="105072" />
  <row Id="12401" PostId="6120" Score="0" Text="It's refreshing to see someone who wants to learn, you are though in a tiny minority. I've tried answering basic questions by pointing people at the _relevant_ parts of the documentation with a rough guide as to the process and they are generally less well received than answers that provide exact steps. Sadly in my experience of SF the majority of people asking questions don't want to think for themselves." CreationDate="2014-02-14T13:39:08.850" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12402" PostId="6120" Score="0" Text="@lain: Thanks. Your assertion strengthens my argument: provide a link and close the question. Those who don't want to learn, won't." CreationDate="2014-02-14T13:51:42.367" UserId="91213" />
  <row Id="12405" PostId="6120" Score="4" Text="Anyone like you, who actually wants to learn how to solve their problems is quite welcome here.  Its those who want us to solve all their problems for them that cause answerers to get burnt out." CreationDate="2014-02-14T16:42:33.627" UserId="108667" />
  <row Id="12403" PostId="6121" Score="1" Text="Also of note [Some discussion on this in Chat, and thoughts on alternative solutions](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/13777786#13777786)" CreationDate="2014-02-14T16:31:38.817" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12404" PostId="6122" Score="0" Text="I see the need for the additional format **mainly** for log files.  I think the format may be handy for code in **some** (rare) cases." CreationDate="2014-02-14T16:35:45.107" UserId="163277" />
  <row Id="12406" PostId="6122" Score="1" Text="@AndrzejA.Filip Sounds like you really want a &quot;Log File&quot; syntax highlighting type with trimmings then (IDK if syntax highlighting can do more than just highlight but that'd be a less painful implementation path if it can...)" CreationDate="2014-02-14T17:01:56.963" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12407" PostId="6124" Score="19" Text="I do this all the time. Go right ahead." CreationDate="2014-02-14T21:23:13.407" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12408" PostId="6124" Score="3" Text="Yep. It's not a bad thing." CreationDate="2014-02-14T21:24:00.897" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12412" PostId="6124" Score="3" Text="IMO, if you do this as straight cut/paste, it is proper to give credit/citation to the site/author you got it from.  If it is you researching the topic to validate what you were already thinking, maybe not." CreationDate="2014-02-14T22:00:22.527" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12413" PostId="6124" Score="15" Text="Some people don't know the right terminology or jargon to perform a valid search that returns results useful to their question/problem.  Pointing them in the right direction can be very helpful.  Include links ideally, and the search terms you used if  you think the person doesn't know what to search for." CreationDate="2014-02-14T22:01:24.083" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="12414" PostId="6124" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache good point. From my limited knowledge came the proper search terms, and I've also needed proper search terms from others when asking questions." CreationDate="2014-02-14T22:02:07.080" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="12417" PostId="6124" Score="3" Text="I do it, too.  I suspect my google-fu is more powerful than many people posting questions, because I have a library degree (no lie, I was poached), so I don't hold it against the OP if I find something and they don't." CreationDate="2014-02-15T17:15:42.940" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12428" PostId="6124" Score="4" Text="My rep would be crap if I couldn't just fake practical knowledge of a subject by Googling. I can't find the question right now to cite it, but I shamefully recall finding some search results on an obscure vertical market program that I knew _nothing_ about a few years ago, posting it w/ my usual &quot;lemme explain this&quot; tone, and having the OP come back and say &quot;Finally, somebody who knows about xxx posted.&quot; I didn't feel so shameful as to mark it &quot;Community Wiki&quot;, though... &gt;smile&lt;" CreationDate="2014-02-18T00:35:53.430" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="12433" PostId="6124" Score="0" Text="@EvanAnderson I must say I do the *exact* same thing." CreationDate="2014-02-18T19:01:19.333" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13114" PostId="6124" Score="0" Text="If you do feel really bad about it, just use community wiki..." CreationDate="2014-05-30T16:53:43.933" UserId="209008" />
  <row Id="12409" PostId="6125" Score="5" Text="Plus, if a more &quot;experienced&quot; person finds some information to answer the question, they could re-word parts in a way that may be more understandable." CreationDate="2014-02-14T21:30:12.727" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="12410" PostId="6125" Score="0" Text="Yup.  Answering the question with your Google-Fu does not prevent a more experienced person from coming by and adding a better answer later." CreationDate="2014-02-14T21:42:12.840" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12411" PostId="6126" Score="9" Text="+1  for `If I then dig into it to find the answer for my own curiosity` - Yup, I do that occasionally.  I see a question that is interesting, or brings up something I hadn't known before and I research it.  If I am able to find something that would be useful/relevant for question, then I post it in an answer, or sometimes just a comment if what I found was just some references." CreationDate="2014-02-14T21:58:26.990" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="12415" PostId="6126" Score="0" Text="Cheers to this!" CreationDate="2014-02-15T00:15:24.630" UserId="199695" />
  <row Id="12416" PostId="6126" Score="0" Text="I've never imagined serverfault would replace search engines but it tends to have a very useful effect of concentrating answers, whether they are original or copied by a more skilled searcher, and these are then indexed and the whole question becomes a little more accessible to somebody who doesn't even know how to accurately describe what their problem is." CreationDate="2014-02-15T13:19:06.283" UserId="36099" />
  <row Id="12418" PostId="6126" Score="0" Text="Adding to that, sometimes, people don't read much and just want to be spoon fed the answer - and want &quot;quick&quot; answers. Sometimes there isn't a quick answer and one should study up to get a full answer. So a post that gives a summary and then a link to further reading for the OP to learn and solve his problem I feel is better than a rote answer which the OP will simply copy/paste on his server and not learn." CreationDate="2014-02-16T00:35:52.390" UserId="99871" />
  <row Id="12454" PostId="6126" Score="0" Text="Yeah, 90% of why I'm here is that spark you get when you see an interesting question.." CreationDate="2014-02-21T17:00:49.800" UserId="157149" />
  <row Id="13968" PostId="6126" Score="1" Text="Ironically 90% of the questions I find on Stack Exchange sites I find via Google." CreationDate="2014-11-10T09:28:55.437" UserId="177560" />
  <row Id="21489" PostId="6126" Score="0" Text="When I give an answer that boils down to googling, I mention this and the phrase I was searching on so the OP learns how to get such answers themselves rather than ask people every time (&quot;give a man a fish...&quot;) - and to subtly shame them if they already know how to do that. E.g.: _&quot;According to (page), the 1st in Google on (phrase),...&quot;_. In fact, this isn't limited to googling: I describe any research involved in working out the answer if I feel the OP is likely to be unfamiliar with relevant techniques." CreationDate="2016-11-09T16:23:14.003" UserId="78984" />
  <row Id="12421" PostId="6129" Score="2" Text="Yes, you can set it up in-house, but can you do it for $780 per year? The answer is probably no..." CreationDate="2014-02-17T22:51:19.693" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12422" PostId="6129" Score="1" Text="Well, what I meant was more that we already have servers, we already run Postfix, and we can easily setup inboxes. We are a small startup, so costs are more of a concern initially than time. What I would like, ideally, is a 3rd party SMTP relay which is designed for business/personal emails, and bills by the 1000 emails, instead of with a monthly fee for each address. We have several addresses that have sent and received perhaps 10 emails in the last year - but we have paid $75 for each of them." CreationDate="2014-02-17T22:56:40.180" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="12423" PostId="6129" Score="0" Text="At 30 messages per day I doubt I would even bother with a third party service. If you have an email admin who is even halfway clueful, you can manage deliverability for such a low volume yourself." CreationDate="2014-02-17T22:58:03.297" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12424" PostId="6129" Score="0" Text="Come to think of it, at that volume you could probably use your ISP's SMTP relay for free. Presuming, of course, that this is not bulk mail but simply routine person-to-person mail." CreationDate="2014-02-17T23:01:29.430" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12425" PostId="6129" Score="0" Text="That is the thing. The email volume is tiny and we would have no technical issues setting up things on our own servers (and we could do it for a lot less than $780/yr, given the small volume). We use EC2 for our servers - but our elastic IPs aren't blacklisted, and we have everything else setup (SPF, DKIM, etc. and the emails are handwritten - so the content is of good quality). We don't have an ISP for our business (we don't operate out of a building and are spread across about 100km). Sending from our servers though, we always seem to get around 10% of emails ending up in spam folders." CreationDate="2014-02-17T23:06:11.910" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="12426" PostId="6129" Score="3" Text="That's probably _because_ you're sending directly from EC2. A few places blacklist every Amazon EC2 IP address range. I have a server on EC2, and I relay all its mail through a little VPS at some other small $PROVIDER nobody's ever heard of. It gets 99%+ delivered." CreationDate="2014-02-17T23:08:29.197" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12427" PostId="6129" Score="0" Text="Exactly - we had slightly better luck with SES - but even that isn't enough for us to be content to send business emails. That was why we were looking for a 3rd party relay - but one for business emails not transactional or marketing emails. Time for another few searches I think. You might have set me on the right track." CreationDate="2014-02-17T23:15:08.357" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="12431" PostId="6129" Score="0" Text="The continued use of the noun *setup* where there should be the verb *set up* is making me twitchy." CreationDate="2014-02-18T16:44:37.667" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="12435" PostId="6129" Score="0" Text="@TRiG: apologies - I do that more often than I should, and catch it less often than ideal. Reading it back, I'd agree on the twitchy bit." CreationDate="2014-02-18T23:53:55.270" UserId="86472" />
  <row Id="12429" PostId="6131" Score="12" Text="Answering Off Topic/ Bad questions implicitly encourages them." CreationDate="2014-02-18T15:05:08.460" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12432" PostId="6131" Score="0" Text="I think a comment with RTFM is as good as they should get and in the type of &quot;I want to bypass the security my sysadmin put there&quot; ... well a &quot;we won't help you do that&quot; comment is good with a Flag as off-topic. But an answer that helps them, no!" CreationDate="2014-02-18T18:16:28.673" UserId="99871" />
  <row Id="12434" PostId="6131" Score="1" Text="@ETL I don't think you should even bother with that.  Odds of the the comment making a damn bit of difference are about 0, and often enough, the OP gets all offended and starts being an ass.  Comment arguing ensues, and it's probably just better to close the question, delete it, and hope the OP who couldn't be bothered to read the FAQ before asking a question just goes away and bothers someone else." CreationDate="2014-02-18T19:55:11.430" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12430" PostId="6132" Score="9" Text="+1 Also, we do not meddle in the affairs of Governments, even oppressive ones. I have opinions on what laws people should or should not follow, as does everyone, but [SF] isn't the place for such discussions." CreationDate="2014-02-18T15:40:59.030" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12494" PostId="6133" Score="0" Text="I think everybody deserves help, especially if they don't know how to ask for it.   IMHO the right way to respond to a &quot;bad&quot; question is to guide it to be a good question, not to reject it.  Not everybody appreciates this or understands that the greater goal of this and similar sites is to be a persistent store of knowledge.  Be forgiving in what you hear and rigorous in what you say." CreationDate="2014-03-01T02:03:55.587" UserId="36099" />
  <row Id="12459" PostId="6134" Score="0" Text="I do that sometimes, but usually only when I'm giving them one of those &quot;go hire a professional&quot; non-answers." CreationDate="2014-02-23T04:36:17.440" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="12495" PostId="6134" Score="0" Text="I think that's perfectly justified.   A near majority of questions here (loose stats) are clearly in the deep end of the pool.   Better to tell them to get out before they drown." CreationDate="2014-03-01T02:21:48.077" UserId="36099" />
  <row Id="12436" PostId="6135" Score="1" Text="I concur that the Q&amp;A format is restrictive and may even be detrimental to professional sysadmin questions (troubleshooting via Q&amp;A sucks), but the problem is I don't think there's anything better.  The forum format certainly doesn't do any better, and you're just not going to get a community built around free, live support.  The problem, of course, is that I don't know of anything better, or even how it could be done better... so ServerFault's as good as it gets, as least as far as I've been able to find." CreationDate="2014-02-19T20:47:24.610" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12437" PostId="6135" Score="0" Text="The forum format (I think) builds community better, i.e. you can have little side discussions etc. IRC under the same banner can be better as you can easily have some OT chat / community building. Q&amp;A is... just that. So I don't see you getting a community where people want to hang out out of it really." CreationDate="2014-02-19T20:59:28.263" UserId="197769" />
  <row Id="12438" PostId="6135" Score="0" Text="Well, we have a chat room... which is pretty similar to IRC, though I do prefer IRC.  And while I agree that forums do build community a better, they're worse for getting actual help solving whatever problem it is you're having.  Low signal-to-noise ratio and all that, so... as I said, I don't see a better way of doing it, and haven't found anything better, leading me to believe this might be as good as it gets." CreationDate="2014-02-19T21:07:24.073" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12439" PostId="6135" Score="0" Text="AIUI the Q&amp;A format is deliberate and designed to avoid many of the problems that forums have. If you need a long comment thread diagnosing an issue (especially with the less able 'sysadmins' we see) then perhaps what you really need is $consultancy not Q&amp;A." CreationDate="2014-02-20T08:20:22.267" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12440" PostId="6135" Score="0" Text="My issue in saying forums are worse is that if you know enough to work as self creating FAQ when writing the question, you don't need to ask the question - google should suffice. The Microsoft Technet is a nice blend of forum and once marked as an answer it turns into a Q&amp;A sort of format." CreationDate="2014-02-20T15:41:30.627" UserId="197769" />
  <row Id="12450" PostId="6135" Score="0" Text="Excellent point, @jmp242. The one-off question is just part of building knowledge, and we need to find a way to make it possible to ask and tell things that aren't just simple Q&amp;A without sacrificing the concise ServerFault format." CreationDate="2014-02-21T09:23:08.597" UserId="129161" />
  <row Id="12457" PostId="6136" Score="0" Text="Only *software* shopping questions, that still leaves a place for hardware." CreationDate="2014-02-22T13:35:52.777" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="12445" PostId="6137" Score="2" Text="If ever there was a website where I wanted to ask &quot;What is the best *nix command line file editor&quot; this is it!" CreationDate="2014-02-20T20:55:16.183" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12446" PostId="6137" Score="0" Text="That's nice! At least there is a correct place for these questions. Let's see how this site goes - if the questions are tagged well, it should work." CreationDate="2014-02-20T21:19:19.137" UserId="99871" />
  <row Id="12468" PostId="6137" Score="2" Text="Once it is out of beta we need it in the migration list." CreationDate="2014-02-24T02:30:34.373" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="12447" PostId="6138" Score="0" Text="That's what I was trying to find but I'm glad we have Software Recommendations now there as that seems better." CreationDate="2014-02-20T23:29:44.687" UserId="99871" />
  <row Id="12448" PostId="6138" Score="0" Text="I agree; I like to keep in in-ecosystem as much as possible." CreationDate="2014-02-21T00:01:13.793" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="12449" PostId="6138" Score="0" Text="I'm trying to drive traffic to it, but all I seem to get is a huge spam problem.  I'd like to get a stack for it, like Software Recommendations, but the SE team seem pretty hard on the no shopping thing." CreationDate="2014-02-21T09:16:37.290" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="12452" PostId="6139" Score="5" Text="Some people consider infrastructure design beyond thescopr of Q&amp;A and into the realms of $Consulting. Another issue with $product/$service recommendation questions is that they tend to attract more spam than other questions. If you want to do this sort of thing you may get somewhere with chat." CreationDate="2014-02-21T09:30:46.397" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12453" PostId="6139" Score="4" Text="In addition to Iain's comment, the other problem with your type of question is that it's just too big to fit well in the Q&amp;A format SE has, IMO.  Regarding the rest, whether we agree with it or not, [the Stack Exchange policy has been no &quot;shopping questions&quot; for quite some time](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/qa-is-hard-lets-go-shopping/), so... well, is what it is.  Not something we have any real control over." CreationDate="2014-02-21T09:53:55.357" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12456" PostId="6140" Score="2" Text="I guess our main point of difference is that I don't consider the overall question a shopping question. I consider it a design question. http://serverfault.com/questions/575357/backup-strategy-for-developer-focused-apple-environments seems much more shopping-centric in comparison.  Perhaps I just need to improve my wording." CreationDate="2014-02-21T23:49:41.333" UserId="129161" />
  <row Id="12474" PostId="6140" Score="2" Text="@PaulGear The Apple backup solution question resulted from a glaring lack of guidance about this requirement and silence from Apple on how their software should be used in larger environments. My question was intended to solicit opinions and solutions devised by other people in my situation. It was not *&quot;what software should I buy?&quot;* is different than &quot;*How have you solved this problem?*&quot;" CreationDate="2014-02-25T22:32:43.040" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12475" PostId="6140" Score="0" Text="&quot;What is the best design for XYZ&quot; versus &quot;What design have people used to solve XYZ&quot; I guess is the difference. &quot;the best&quot; is an opinion which does not work, &quot;what solution have you use&quot; is some data you can use to form your opinion." CreationDate="2014-02-25T23:48:11.017" UserId="99871" />
  <row Id="12478" PostId="6140" Score="0" Text="@ewwhite Which is precisely the type of question I asked.  Or tried to - suggestions gratefully accepted for edits that would make this clearer." CreationDate="2014-02-26T23:12:49.690" UserId="129161" />
  <row Id="12479" PostId="6140" Score="0" Text="@PaulGear (it probably shouldn't have been closed). I'm not a fan of hard closing of product questions. Sometimes people [*need what they need*](http://serverfault.com/questions/389860/need-a-gigabit-switch-that-can-be-poe-powered)!" CreationDate="2014-02-26T23:20:27.377" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12480" PostId="6140" Score="0" Text="@PaulGear I would start by not explicitly asking &quot;What products are out there?&quot; Instead, define the end state, what you want to accomplish, and then any constraints. And I'd personally lose the bullet list and rewrite any necessary parts of it in prose, but that's mainly style." CreationDate="2014-02-26T23:22:25.467" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20538" PostId="6140" Score="0" Text="[Software Recommendations](http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) is no longer in beta and a complementary  [Hardware Recommendations](http://hardwarerecs.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) Stack Exchange community (still in beta) has also been formed." CreationDate="2016-04-14T18:04:03.927" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="12460" PostId="6143" Score="0" Text="Who &quot;sucks&quot; at closing questions?  Everybody?  Generally, five votes from anybody with sufficient reputation can put a question into hold stsatus ...  not just the SE serverfault site administrators....and then it goes into another queue needing more votes from the community before it is finally closed.  Sometimes the serverfault administrator (who are voted on by all of us) need to address specific questions for specific reasons for the benefit of the serverfault commmunity." CreationDate="2014-02-23T04:47:20.930" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="12461" PostId="6143" Score="1" Text="Oh dear what a whinge which fails to answer my questions entirely too. If you feel strongly that a question is incorrectly closed, you can always ask your own question here on meta to discuss it. Personally I'm not a fan of leaving stuff like that hanging about because it does become outdated." CreationDate="2014-02-23T07:11:07.073" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12462" PostId="6143" Score="1" Text="-1: questions asking for software recommendations are off-topic, not because they attract spam as you assert, but because they solicit opinion.  Stack Overflow attempts to avoid opinion and the resultant chatter, and focus instead on fact." CreationDate="2014-02-23T17:58:03.287" UserId="42317" />
  <row Id="12477" PostId="6143" Score="0" Text="Locked shopping questions which have gone out of date are a whole other issue. Feel free to ask your own question about them." CreationDate="2014-02-26T22:37:50.113" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12482" PostId="6143" Score="0" Text="&quot;Shopping&quot; questions are off topic in the vast majority of the Stack Exchange sites." CreationDate="2014-02-27T11:57:31.157" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="12463" PostId="6145" Score="0" Text="re: &quot;They are in (or have recently been in) chat.&quot; I think you can still @ someone in chat and have it show up in their inbox even if they haven't been in chat recently. But if they haven't been in chat recently, you don't get autocomplete.  (I'm not sure this is how it works, just my experience.)" CreationDate="2014-02-23T18:44:26.123" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="12464" PostId="6145" Score="0" Text="@Ward I don't really recall but I don't think @ in chat should be considered reliable." CreationDate="2014-02-23T18:46:44.867" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12465" PostId="6145" Score="0" Text="You're right, was just looking on meta.SO and will post an answer here..." CreationDate="2014-02-23T18:47:17.040" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="12506" PostId="6145" Score="0" Text="A response to a comment of theirs in chat (using the `:number` syntax) should always work (and will appear as an `@name` with a back arrow). A simple `@name` may not work." CreationDate="2014-03-05T17:38:09.507" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="12469" PostId="6147" Score="5" Text="There is already lots of information provided to help people discover our topicality and scope. Like you most people fail to find and or read it. Personally I think we've wasted enough time and other resources pandering to the clueless already." CreationDate="2014-02-24T18:13:52.473" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12470" PostId="6147" Score="0" Text="Oh and you didn't _make a mistake of relating it to a home dev environment_, you [described the environment correctly](http://serverfault.com/revisions/577908/1)." CreationDate="2014-02-24T18:15:56.997" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12472" PostId="6147" Score="3" Text="Note that on the [Tour](http://serverfault.com/tour) and [help/on-topic](http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic) pages we link to [our definition of a professional capacity](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4111/what-is-a-professional-capacity). Part of the unspoken expectation of &quot;professionalism&quot; is that folks read these pages. That said, stripping &quot;home&quot; and &quot;Windows 7&quot; from your question leaves something that is reasonably on topic IMO." CreationDate="2014-02-24T18:40:14.837" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12476" PostId="6147" Score="2" Text="The problem is that people don't understand who SF is for. We are sysadmins... we spend our day holding people's hand. We don't want to do that here again. A lot of people post without trying, without reading - they aren't sysadmins. A sysadmin would probably spend, oh, 2-3 hours searching before asking anything... if not more." CreationDate="2014-02-26T04:08:02.063" UserId="99871" />
  <row Id="12471" PostId="6148" Score="2" Text="Suggestions for improving these are of course always welcome (The first one we (mods) can edit pretty much at will. The second we can probably badger the community team into changing if necessary. The third is unlikely to change, but if any of the examples in the slide-outs are particularly awful we can change those...)" CreationDate="2014-02-24T18:25:20.157" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12473" PostId="6148" Score="0" Text="Tanner and @voretaq7 Thank you very much for the responses. Very kind of you both. :-)" CreationDate="2014-02-24T19:11:55.847" UserId="210623" />
  <row Id="12491" PostId="6150" Score="2" Text="+1 - Same here. My telephone number (which forwards to my wireless) is in my profile, too... &gt;smile&lt;" CreationDate="2014-02-28T21:30:10.250" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="12488" PostId="6152" Score="3" Text="possible duplicate of [Speedy Google indexing](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2734/speedy-google-indexing)" CreationDate="2014-02-27T22:46:12.247" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12490" PostId="6152" Score="1" Text="@Iain it appears this is a duplicate, however MDMarra provided a much better answer :-)" CreationDate="2014-02-27T23:05:56.113" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="12492" PostId="6152" Score="0" Text="Not only does GOOG love StackX properties, they actively harvest the active ones." CreationDate="2014-03-01T01:54:14.967" UserId="36099" />
  <row Id="12500" PostId="6152" Score="1" Text="Google doesn't just index sites, they actively follow a gajillion feeds like Twitter, NYTimes, blogs, etc other places to catalog new, public content as quickly as possible. It's publicly known that Google will license (presumably public) feeds from major providers for large sums of money, and this is a significant source of revenue for some providers. Gathering new information quickly is key to Google keeping on top of trends and providing relevant advertisements. They could just be following The SE RSS feeds." CreationDate="2014-03-04T20:05:12.360" UserId="36178" />
  <row Id="12502" PostId="6152" Score="0" Text="@StefanLasiewski sounds like it would make a decent answer for this meta post." CreationDate="2014-03-05T00:04:22.740" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="12484" PostId="6153" Score="13" Text="Google loves us, This I Know - For the search stats tell me so! (without revealing anything too specific and getting beaten up by the community team, the ***VAST MAJORITY*** (by multiple orders of magnitude) of our traffic comes from Google). Stack Exchange sites in general, and the Trilogy Sites (SO/SF/SU) in particular, are &quot;high impact&quot; and frequently-linked which drives up our search rankings ; plus I'm relatively sure there's some back-end magic biasing searches toward us for some keyword/keyphrase combinations." CreationDate="2014-02-27T20:06:18.073" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12485" PostId="6153" Score="0" Text="I seem to remember from one of the older podcasts that Google has a feed they watch to be notified of new and updated pages. I can't find it now." CreationDate="2014-02-27T20:11:05.410" UserId="15028" />
  <row Id="12486" PostId="6153" Score="0" Text="I'm pretty sure key phrases such as &quot;voretaq7&quot;, &quot;mdmarra&quot;, and &quot;cloud/butt&quot; drive a lot of traffic here." CreationDate="2014-02-27T21:39:52.113" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12487" PostId="6153" Score="5" Text="So, what can the internet tell me about voretaq7's cloud butt?  Enquiring minds need to know..." CreationDate="2014-02-27T22:08:10.320" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12489" PostId="6153" Score="4" Text="@MadHatter: The internet doesn't have sufficient Xs to rate that." CreationDate="2014-02-27T22:47:22.987" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12527" PostId="6153" Score="0" Text="I think &quot;Jon Skeet&quot; is also a prominent keyword." CreationDate="2014-03-10T18:12:51.883" UserId="174111" />
  <row Id="12496" PostId="6155" Score="10" Text="I've struggled with the same decision in the past, and have drawn my own line as to which situations I believe are acceptable to do the &quot;wrong&quot; thing. I believe people should do the same for the most part. There's no universally recognized delimiter." CreationDate="2014-03-02T14:39:05.027" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12499" PostId="6155" Score="4" Text="The basic line is to not insult the person who ask the question because this is not a thing you would do. People ask for advice, not judmental posturing. The best way to promote your best practices is to  explain why it should not be done and / or the correct workable alternative." CreationDate="2014-03-04T19:56:21.977" UserId="100122" />
  <row Id="12501" PostId="6155" Score="1" Text="@Olivier: In all honesty, I've never had anyone react as badly to an answer as you have. I still don't see anything wrong with the original answer that you took offence to. The question was asked, and I posed a valid, reasoned answer. Whether it was &quot;posturing&quot; as you described it is your subjective opinion. If you think that it's inappropriate, please do feel free to use the tools at your disposal (namely the flag button) to raise it for moderation. The community (thankfully) does not take the word of one person to be gospel - that's why we vote, and you're entitled to your opinion." CreationDate="2014-03-04T23:17:47.803" UserId="163830" />
  <row Id="12498" PostId="6156" Score="4" Text="In general, if I'm asking something, it's because I know what I want to do, and why I want to do it." CreationDate="2014-03-03T12:26:15.883" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="12538" PostId="6156" Score="0" Text="@TomO'Connor Depends. Many people are facing a/the XY problem..." CreationDate="2014-03-14T14:03:32.467" UserId="91005" />
  <row Id="12544" PostId="6156" Score="1" Text="Oh, possibly, but I'm experienced enough to know what I want to do, and why." CreationDate="2014-03-14T20:01:00.860" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="12503" PostId="6157" Score="7" Text="On [one occasion](http://superuser.com/a/566153/203253) (since migrated to SuperUser), someone was trying to expose `/root/.ssh` on a local VM to another system. After cringing at the thought of the question getting a serious actual answer, I decided to answer it so that I could control the environment in which the information was introduced. You know, sorta like introducing your teenager to beer or cigarettes before their friends do." CreationDate="2014-03-05T04:07:56.090" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="12537" PostId="6157" Score="1" Text="I agree.  I feel that the 'why' of the answer is as important as the answer itself.  This is true for both right (why it is right) and wrong (why it is wrong) answers.  This pattern tends towards longer answers, but that doesn't seem to be a problem here." CreationDate="2014-03-13T05:31:10.360" UserId="46122" />
  <row Id="12497" PostId="6160" Score="6" Text="+1 I agree, questions which are clearly of no value and have no reasonable hope of being turned into something of value should just be discarded." CreationDate="2014-03-03T02:46:53.893" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12504" PostId="6163" Score="1" Text="I'd agree (I'm already perfectly happy to ignore questions I've got no interest in, and I suspect most others too), with the caveat that sometimes I/we understand what someone is asking for perfectly well, sometimes we understand the implications better than the person asking the question, and in that case its perfectly valid to vote to close a question or to answer it in a way that points out potential flaws, etc." CreationDate="2014-03-05T12:52:28.433" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="12505" PostId="6163" Score="0" Text="I agree with your caveat's" CreationDate="2014-03-05T17:14:41.137" UserId="173860" />
  <row Id="12507" PostId="6163" Score="1" Text="Asking 'why' is perfectly reasonable as many people get stuck in x/y when there may be other better solutions they just aren't aware of. The community are the moderators. The Moderators are the exception handlers - that's the way things are on SE. Not all problems have solutions (at least not from a free service)." CreationDate="2014-03-06T07:19:57.567" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12524" PostId="6163" Score="1" Text="When you're beating your own head with a hammer, &quot;stop doing that&quot; may well be a reasonable answer. I can't speak to other &quot;forums&quot; but around here we ask for context in part in order to determine if someone actually is in such a situation and a better way can be found to solve the underlying problem." CreationDate="2014-03-09T06:25:26.423" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12508" PostId="6164" Score="0" Text="I didn't originally see this question; if I had, I would have asked you why you were doing this at all." CreationDate="2014-03-06T11:18:28.903" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12509" PostId="6164" Score="0" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3772/are-help-me-get-x-to-compile-questions-off-topic" CreationDate="2014-03-06T11:32:28.463" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12510" PostId="6164" Score="2" Text="Imho it's a general question about how to resolve compiling issues in a smarter way. It's illustrated with exact errors of a real life example.&#xA;&#xA;As for why I'm packaging this static, I'm not sure if that's relevant, but I'm looking to offer a [new version of Imagemagick](https://travis-ci.org/kvz/imagemagick-static-builder) to my customers and make it an opt-in. Otherwise I would break backwards compatibility for users of the current version. I figured creating all-in-one statics would allow me to do so, without introducing new servers or e.g. Docker." CreationDate="2014-03-06T11:44:06.257" UserId="69710" />
  <row Id="12522" PostId="6164" Score="0" Text="You asked it on serverfault instead of stackoverflow.  That's why it was off topic." CreationDate="2014-03-08T00:12:27.460" UserId="14631" />
  <row Id="12511" PostId="6165" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I'm solving a [sysadmin problem](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6164/looking-for-advice-on-the-right-way-place-to-ask-my-question-about-compiling?noredirect=1#comment12510_6164), but I can also see how SO would make sense. &#xA;&#xA;However if that was the reason for moderation, shouldn't the question better be migrated as was done with e.g. [this question](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/44985/limit-memory-usage-for-a-single-linux-process) vs locked &amp; deleted?" CreationDate="2014-03-06T11:49:42.277" UserId="69710" />
  <row Id="12512" PostId="6165" Score="2" Text="@kvz: I'm only expressing my opinion, I don't recall how I voted on it but it was split 3 to 2 so the 3 won and they chose not to migrate it. It was deleted by the cleaning fairies because it was at -1 and not edited for several days - this happens to all closed and apparently abandoned questions." CreationDate="2014-03-06T11:58:40.437" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12513" PostId="6165" Score="0" Text="@lain: Understood, I appreciate your thoughts on this" CreationDate="2014-03-06T12:02:15.920" UserId="69710" />
  <row Id="12514" PostId="6165" Score="0" Text="FWIW, @kvz, I don't *think* I voted on this, but if I had, I would have voted to migrate.  Since it's compiling code and dependencies, I would have considered it more of a Stack Overflow question myself.  That's also just my opinion." CreationDate="2014-03-06T20:45:45.920" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12515" PostId="6165" Score="1" Text="@KatherineVillyard you're correct you didm't vote on it." CreationDate="2014-03-06T20:47:50.173" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12516" PostId="6166" Score="4" Text="Lovely that you feel that way and all, but its both irrelevant and contrary to the Stack Exchange philosophy.  If you want a place where questions are basically never closed, and no one cares about quality or signal-to-noise ratio, check out Yahoo! Answers.  Not only can you find answers to questions about [computer stuff](http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120624222109AAXI0WU), but you can even learn [why your butt hurts after sex!](http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100208193829AAyHfNG)" CreationDate="2014-03-06T21:07:27.857" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12517" PostId="6166" Score="4" Text="@sorin has a point. There IS a gray area... I do think SF needs to slightly reconsider the stance because product recommendations are sometimes unavoidable." CreationDate="2014-03-06T21:38:54.990" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12523" PostId="6166" Score="0" Text="@sorin does indeed have a point, especially about the personality pattern.  Sometimes when there's a nice clean &quot;right&quot; answer that's well-accepted in the industry, the person with the most in-your-face answer tends to get the most upvotes.  However, questions with several right-ish answers don't tend to attract the same number of upvotes, even though they are often more helpful than seeing a single &quot;Here's what you should do&quot; type of answer." CreationDate="2014-03-08T10:36:16.237" UserId="129161" />
  <row Id="12519" PostId="6168" Score="2" Text="I don't think you can search by [tag] and then sort by newest as well as unanswered, it's one or the other." CreationDate="2014-03-07T14:19:04.717" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12521" PostId="6168" Score="1" Text="I believe you are correct Iain." CreationDate="2014-03-07T14:53:40.100" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12529" PostId="6170" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the suggestion. I think we've reached consensus on it.  Can I get the question migrated to unix/linux or should I just repost it there?" CreationDate="2014-03-11T11:02:48.057" UserId="69710" />
  <row Id="12526" PostId="6171" Score="8" Text="In the future you might want to avoid annotating your edits with &quot;make it plain this is related to system admin, for whichever nazi has flagged this question as off-topic.&quot;  The question, as you originally wrote it was awful, and closing it because it was awful (or because you didn't seem to know what you were doing, which I suspect is what the other close-voters picked) was the right thing to do.  Putting questions on hold is specifically intended to give the person asking it a chance to fix it, which you did." CreationDate="2014-03-10T07:51:16.630" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="12525" PostId="6172" Score="3" Text="If a closed question gets edited, it gets put in the reopen queue so coming to meta/flagging for moderator attention shouldn't be necessary in the first instance." CreationDate="2014-03-10T06:27:19.613" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12531" PostId="6174" Score="2" Text="Clear your cookies ffs" CreationDate="2014-03-12T15:23:30.810" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="12532" PostId="6174" Score="2" Text="Actually if he/she is not Sarath this is a issue. If Sarath never used that computer/browser that shouldn't be possible and is a major issue." CreationDate="2014-03-12T15:33:32.187" UserId="169068" />
  <row Id="12533" PostId="6174" Score="11" Text="Who are you supposed to be?" CreationDate="2014-03-12T15:47:09.093" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12534" PostId="6174" Score="1" Text="Are you, by any chance, on a shared (or even a computer lab) computer?" CreationDate="2014-03-12T20:01:35.587" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12535" PostId="6174" Score="0" Text="Did this happen on the mobile site or the full site?" CreationDate="2014-03-12T20:27:56.067" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="12536" PostId="6174" Score="2" Text="How do you know sarath is a girl?" CreationDate="2014-03-12T21:48:34.863" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12539" PostId="6174" Score="0" Text="I am not on a shared computer, None except me has ever logged into serverfault or related site." CreationDate="2014-03-14T15:09:57.823" UserId="146910" />
  <row Id="12540" PostId="6174" Score="0" Text="Well, Sarath starts with Sara, so I guessed a girl, and I feel like a girl writing this, but you are right, it could be anyone." CreationDate="2014-03-14T15:10:35.513" UserId="146910" />
  <row Id="12542" PostId="6174" Score="0" Text="Looking at the account, the email is spXX@live.in where XX is a number i wont reveal, and the &quot;real name&quot; is my name.  I have no idea what that email is - perhaps the account has been hacked, but if so, could they have changed my username to sarath, but kept my session on my Machine?" CreationDate="2014-03-14T15:15:27.880" UserId="146910" />
  <row Id="12541" PostId="6179" Score="0" Text="Its not a shared computer.  The ISP is telefonica in Spain. In 10 years with them, I have never seen this issue on another site." CreationDate="2014-03-14T15:11:39.520" UserId="146910" />
  <row Id="12543" PostId="6179" Score="4" Text="Ah, I found the problem - seems I didn't look back far enough, assuming this was due to something that happened recently. See my edit for details." CreationDate="2014-03-14T15:23:23.300" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="12545" PostId="6181" Score="0" Text="Doesn't the Exchange have some ninja coders we can give some of our rep points to so they will jack up that site?" CreationDate="2014-03-15T00:28:34.177" UserId="89002" />
  <row Id="12546" PostId="6181" Score="0" Text="See: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5874/external-site-copying-without-attribution" CreationDate="2014-03-15T00:35:03.947" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="12547" PostId="6181" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure if there's a list somewhere you can check to see if SE already knows about a particular site, but as per the early Q&amp;A here, and others on meta.SO, just report the site and ninjas will be dispatched from SE HQ..." CreationDate="2014-03-15T00:36:29.737" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="12550" PostId="6181" Score="3" Text="Alright, I'm tired of seeing &quot;Holy terd burgler&quot; in my chat windows in the notification bar, so I fixed.  No more of that.  If one must use the phrase &quot;turd burglar,&quot; one really needs to spell it correctly, at the ***very least.***" CreationDate="2014-03-15T01:22:18.803" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12554" PostId="6181" Score="0" Text="Expletives know no bounds--spelling be damned! But point taken." CreationDate="2014-03-16T23:11:44.987" UserId="89002" />
  <row Id="12548" PostId="6182" Score="0" Text="Ahh. I just noticed the link back to SE. I guess that's cool. Something to do. Whatever. (still want ninja's dispatched)..." CreationDate="2014-03-15T00:53:51.300" UserId="89002" />
  <row Id="12549" PostId="6182" Score="0" Text="It isn't supposed to be nofollowed, so they can still be reported, and SE will dispatch their ninjas. Or lawyers, if the ninjas aren't available for some reason." CreationDate="2014-03-15T00:55:38.130" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12551" PostId="6182" Score="3" Text="I think they are *not* following CC BY-SA 3.0 terms, as there is no reference to the license ([see also on Meta SO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/177893/193139)). Jeff’s blog post doesn’t mention this requirement, but it’s still required by the license itself." CreationDate="2014-03-15T01:29:44.987" UserId="131794" />
  <row Id="12552" PostId="6182" Score="0" Text="Yes, there is that too." CreationDate="2014-03-15T01:34:56.877" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12553" PostId="6182" Score="0" Text="FWIW, I created a discussion on Meta SO: [“Attribution Required” misses requirement to reference the license. Update resp. replace it?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/225486/193139)" CreationDate="2014-03-15T02:21:47.913" UserId="131794" />
  <row Id="12555" PostId="6185" Score="0" Text="Not sure if they're trying to be helpful (or farm easy rep) to the person asking the question or they don't understand the implication of the close vote &amp; comment linking the questions. Oh, and VTC'd" CreationDate="2014-03-19T09:57:25.390" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="12556" PostId="6185" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure about that, either." CreationDate="2014-03-19T10:00:09.140" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12567" PostId="6185" Score="0" Text="Question needs another VTC, and answer needs another downvote before becoming delete-vote eligible, which is who I think we should handle this." CreationDate="2014-03-19T12:05:46.300" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12602" PostId="6185" Score="0" Text="As i was that chap the three reasons RobM write on the comment are exactly the reason." CreationDate="2014-03-24T16:00:50.013" UserId="157970" />
  <row Id="12603" PostId="6185" Score="0" Text="Fair enough, old chap!  Hopefully, the procedure is now clearer." CreationDate="2014-03-24T16:31:38.343" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12569" PostId="6186" Score="6" Text="Exactly. Whenever I feel like reusing an answer, that question is a strong candidate for being closed as duplicate of the other question." CreationDate="2014-03-19T14:09:50.993" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12574" PostId="6191" Score="14" Text="That was even _worse_ than being rickrolled." CreationDate="2014-03-20T21:13:30.917" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12575" PostId="6191" Score="5" Text="I'm sorry what did you say? For the last 4 minutes and 27 seconds I was... distracted" CreationDate="2014-03-20T21:20:23.440" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="12592" PostId="6192" Score="1" Text="Don't forget to mention to take the coffee cup out of the cd tray, if needed. I agree though, professionals who have at the very least a vague understanding of what they are trying to accomplish should only need to be pointed towards relevant documentation." CreationDate="2014-03-22T02:17:16.040" UserId="200522" />
  <row Id="12607" PostId="6192" Score="0" Text="I think the site &quot;rules&quot; are too easy to miss. Especially for the kind of people who ask this type of questions. It was a long time ago that I registered, so maybe it is apparent for a new user, but perhaps they forget or too easily click past the site description. I know for sure that I in my daily use never stumble across the site description. Apart from that, I recall moderator candidates mentioning their evolving from &quot;do-it-for-me&quot;-asker to well-adjusted site citizen more than once. So, I let my daily form decide if I educate or ignore the question." CreationDate="2014-03-25T13:51:56.703" UserId="50874" />
  <row Id="12608" PostId="6192" Score="0" Text="@MattBianco A lot of work has been done to make &quot;the rules&quot; more obvious, like [big obnoxious banners for unregistered/new users](http://i.stack.imgur.com/D8CON.png). If we go much further we're going to be in &quot;punch the monkey&quot; ad territory, with blinking borders and autoloading sounds. We've got 2 &quot;help&quot; links for everyone else, and a badge for reading through all of `/help` -- hard to provide more encouragement unless we start using a taser on people who don't read it :-)" CreationDate="2014-03-25T15:36:59.320" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12609" PostId="6192" Score="2" Text="Professional or not, the ACTUAL steps required to complete something are often mindboggling and littered with a history of workarounds that just don't exist in the original documentation.  Providing any kind of incomplete solution just renders an answer useless IMO.  An incomplete answer will not save anyone time, and people coming here for answers are probably trying to save time after wasting too much looking at unhelpful documentation.  I generally always provide working code if possible." CreationDate="2014-03-25T21:04:15.333" UserId="10023" />
  <row Id="12612" PostId="6192" Score="7" Text="@Triynko Sorry, but IMO you're wrong, and the attitude of &quot;hand me a full step-by-step solution!&quot; is *absolutely* wrong. Server Fault is here to ***TEACH*** people - to ensure that they have an *understanding of why things work the way they do* and can *apply that understanding to solve problems*. If someone needs an *expedient* solution and is expecting us to say &quot;type these commands in this order and it will all magically work for you&quot; they need to hire a consultant or find a new line of work - that kind of cookie-cutter system administration has no place in the profession." CreationDate="2014-03-25T21:19:41.987" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12660" PostId="6192" Score="1" Text="I think @Triynko has a point. I am often looking for cookbook answers, in the sense of &quot; you need to use modprobe blahblahblah&quot; because some essential detail or often workaround did not appear in the documentation. Libvirt documentation for example is very thorough and often confusing. It doesn't do anything to teach context, and this is a perfect place to provide that but the user also needs some explicit help- &quot;use attach-disk not attach-device&quot;. Also I am seeing a lot of people for whom English is not their first language - they need an extra break." CreationDate="2014-03-28T21:16:33.833" UserId="92148" />
  <row Id="12661" PostId="6192" Score="2" Text="@JohnP.Fisher I have no problem pointing someone toward the right command as you describe in your comment, particularly when the documentation is inadequate or misleading. I **DO** have a problem when folks seem to expect me to point them to the command, then take their hand and carefully guide their index finger to poke every key in the right order, which seems to be what folks are expecting these days. Folks are coming here expecting us to give them 100% complete cut-and-paste solutions like they can get on Stack Overflow - that to me is *unacceptable*." CreationDate="2014-03-28T21:48:59.177" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12662" PostId="6192" Score="0" Text="Why is it so unacceptable to provide a complete answer @voretaq7?  Is this part of that mindset &quot;It was difficult for me, it should be difficult for you too?&quot;  Or is it part of the Wizard of OZ mindset that keeps all the details behind the curtain.  SO has a friendly set of world class pros (in the truest sense of the word) that are there to help other people in a very open way and it works wonderfully.  In contrast SF comes across like a bunch of angry old men gathering around the BPOE to complain about peole that are trying to learn.  Makes it seem like SF is peopled by the Tea Party." CreationDate="2014-03-29T14:39:02.743" UserId="14955" />
  <row Id="12663" PostId="6192" Score="3" Text="@mark0978 A &quot;complete answer&quot; is ***NOT THE SAME THING*** as a cut and paste solution. It is unacceptable in my mind to coddle and spoon feed the folks who want a cut-and-paste solution: A system administrator who cannot think on their feet and can only post a question and cut/paste the answer with no underlying understanding of what's going on is less than worthless - they're ***DANGEROUS***. It has never been our goal (or any other entity in the pro sysadmin realm) to cater to those folks. Go read http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5475 &amp; http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4111/" CreationDate="2014-03-29T19:59:41.857" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12577" PostId="6193" Score="2" Text="&quot;I've tried giving answers that outline the process rather than spoon feeding&quot; . This is my general opinion as well, and I think it is _empowering_ to do so." CreationDate="2014-03-20T21:48:23.477" UserId="168178" />
  <row Id="12578" PostId="6193" Score="2" Text="@dawud: Absolutely, I've had several juniors over the years and the all benefited from being pointed in the right direction and shown how to find things out rather than being shown how to do something (if time allowed). Being able to read documentation and find things out is a key sysadmin skill which is lost on most of the devs who ask questions on SF." CreationDate="2014-03-20T21:52:14.770" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12579" PostId="6193" Score="8" Text="&quot;I've had several juniors over the years and the all benefited from being pointed in the right direction&quot; - I absolutely concur, never was able to help another sysadmin by telling them what to do step-by-step. They forgot the steps the next day and then become robots &quot;if XYZ occurs, do steps ABC&quot;. They don't *understand* the system. Pointing them out in the right direction give them a chance to understand and act intelligently and thus make less mistake later when the situation resembles but is not the same as an earlier one." CreationDate="2014-03-20T22:59:31.743" UserId="99871" />
  <row Id="12685" PostId="6193" Score="0" Text="As a frequent asker but infrequent answerer (due to experience) I prefer the answers with links to the fine manual, but I do tend to accept those answers with teh codez as the added effort by the answerer does deserve the reward, and also to help those who come after me find the relevant info quickly. Perhaps I should state clearly in the **question** that I'm looking for **documentation**, not a **solution**. That does seem to be against the scope of SE sites in general, though." CreationDate="2014-04-03T11:30:37.320" UserId="91213" />
  <row Id="12686" PostId="6193" Score="0" Text="@dotancohen: [Here](http://serverfault.com/a/584837/9517) is a recent example. It describes how to solve the problem in a generic manner which is useful to more people than just the OP. I believe the answer is complete and useful. A little effort on someones part and it can be converted to iptables commands (which I chose not to do). I was surprised that someone didn't just provide the codez. I prefer that people learn how rather than learn to copy/paste but hey." CreationDate="2014-04-03T11:47:34.953" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12687" PostId="6193" Score="0" Text="Yes, that is a very good answer. It addresses both the general situation and the OP's specific issues. I might edit to add a link to the documentation." CreationDate="2014-04-03T12:24:24.477" UserId="91213" />
  <row Id="12576" PostId="6194" Score="0" Text="Good point. Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-03-20T21:42:40.483" UserId="168178" />
  <row Id="12593" PostId="6194" Score="2" Text="A generic answer is all very well but often people are stuck on the specifics.  It takes more effort to understand exactly which part they haven't got if you don't just go through the whole process. (don't forget a question is for others than the OP too) There is fine line between them being lazy and you just not being very helpful." CreationDate="2014-03-22T14:38:33.093" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="12598" PostId="6194" Score="0" Text="if they had read the documentation, we shouldn't have to assume this. OP should have mentioned that they had done so in their question." CreationDate="2014-03-24T04:18:46.923" UserId="167999" />
  <row Id="12664" PostId="6194" Score="0" Text="@JamesRyan I don't think that &quot;them being lazy&quot; and &quot;you just not being very helpful&quot; are distinct options at all, I rather think that there is a strong correlation between lazy questions and people having a less helpful attitude. I would actually go as far as saying that widespread laziness can easily make people reading the questions feel frustrated and/or used, which can lead to spite instead of helpfulness." CreationDate="2014-03-30T14:11:27.407" UserId="183318" />
  <row Id="12672" PostId="6194" Score="0" Text="@HåkanLindqvist as I said, you should not forget that the info is for people other than the OP too. Regardless of whether you are inclined to help the OP, even a badly asked question is an opportunity to share some knowledge with the wider audience of people who find the question later with a similar problem.  Often the devil is in the details, there is nothing more frustrating than seeing that someone has dealt with the same issue but given too general an explanation to fill in the vital assumption or implication that you are missing." CreationDate="2014-03-31T10:46:26.847" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="12675" PostId="6194" Score="0" Text="@JamesRyan The problem with sharing your knowledge in an answer to a poorly stated question is that it's less likely to actually help anyone else and for redundant questions it can easily end up just being wasteful. As for the original point, I'm not arguing against answering specifics/providing examples when that actually serves a purpose other than spoonfeeding the OP but I do think that going straight for the very specifics runs the risk of not teaching anyone anything worthwhile (including the OP). If there are specifics that remain unclear it's always possible to ask for clarification." CreationDate="2014-03-31T20:20:51.787" UserId="183318" />
  <row Id="12680" PostId="6195" Score="5" Text="Did you upgrade the firmware before asking complaining about this problem? :)" CreationDate="2014-04-01T16:28:23.143" UserId="4251" />
  <row Id="12923" PostId="6195" Score="3" Text="@Rex Yes, I upgraded the firmware and it [*bricked my server*](http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2014/04/25/hp_proliant_firmware_issue/?utm_content=buffer6bfef&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_source=twitter.com&amp;utm_campaign=buffer)." CreationDate="2014-04-25T13:43:19.543" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13083" PostId="6195" Score="0" Text="Then don't answer them!  See that?  I solved your problem!" CreationDate="2014-05-21T02:47:00.323" UserId="212978" />
  <row Id="12582" PostId="6196" Score="2" Text="At first glance I like the idea, but need to think it over more..." CreationDate="2014-03-21T13:01:50.103" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12584" PostId="6196" Score="1" Text="As long as this close reason isn't abused I like the idea as well. Personally I'm also OK with flagging these for summary deletion - a question whose only &quot;answer&quot; is a comment saying &quot;I misspelled `xterm` - oops!&quot; has no real value to the community..." CreationDate="2014-03-21T15:14:36.920" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12590" PostId="6196" Score="3" Text="We used to close these with too localized... but that close reason seems to have vanished.  No matter how we go about it, I'm all for closing and nuking these questions - they provide no value to the community and just serve to clutter the place up." CreationDate="2014-03-21T22:36:01.613" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12610" PostId="6196" Score="1" Text="It seems to me that if the problem occurred as a result of user misconfiguration, it IS reproducible.  It could happen to someone else, and therefore it may be useful in the future.  A problem that can't be reproduced would be more like a fault in an application due to a disk sector with application code going bad or a unique problem occurring in an application that was installed from a uniquely corrupted download." CreationDate="2014-03-25T21:14:56.117" UserId="10023" />
  <row Id="12581" PostId="6197" Score="1" Text="There's no canonical answer here, as the reasons and problems vary. This is more of a troubleshooting step that people should take if they see unexpected behavior on their systems." CreationDate="2014-03-21T12:40:57.193" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12583" PostId="6197" Score="4" Text="@ewwhite: You can't teach the internet how to diagnose a problem. Just leave a comment rather than an answer - that's what they are there for." CreationDate="2014-03-21T13:06:57.313" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12585" PostId="6197" Score="0" Text="I'm suggesting a note that asks if firmware, software, etc. have been updated as part of the troubleshooting process. There are two separate issues here. 1). People who run into odd issues due to outdated software and 2). People whose hardware exhibits bad behavior or where toxic firmware combinations are present." CreationDate="2014-03-21T15:36:21.787" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12586" PostId="6197" Score="3" Text="@ewwhite: if you can use the [pro-forma](http://stackapps.com/questions/2116/autoreviewcomments-pro-forma-comments-for-se) comment script, saves a lot of repeated typing." CreationDate="2014-03-21T15:54:08.620" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12589" PostId="6199" Score="6" Text="You should probably just ask this in the chat." CreationDate="2014-03-21T19:55:50.377" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="12594" PostId="6199" Score="0" Text="http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/b278/" CreationDate="2014-03-22T19:42:59.200" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12599" PostId="6199" Score="0" Text="http://www.reddit.com/comments/gfy1l/my_version_of_the_voice_activated_printer_april/" CreationDate="2014-03-24T07:40:49.047" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="12600" PostId="6199" Score="0" Text="In the company I work atm, they pulled a nice one 2y ago: They sent out a mail telling about a spray that protects you from the dangers of WiFi-signals. You can use the spray to pretect your bedroom, the children's room, ... They also added a nicely photoshopped folder/flyer :)" CreationDate="2014-03-24T13:21:57.753" UserId="213840" />
  <row Id="12601" PostId="6199" Score="0" Text="Thank you @GroundZero that's awesome. Definitely going on our to-do list for this year" CreationDate="2014-03-24T14:43:14.380" UserId="52589" />
  <row Id="12588" PostId="6200" Score="4" Text="OP stated &quot;the DNS and AD controllers all replicate&quot;, then said &quot;he didn't integrate it with AD so it doesn't replicate&quot;. Sounds like he replaced basic troubleshooting with assumptions. Not sure what kind of answer can account for that." CreationDate="2014-03-21T19:55:32.983" UserId="130858" />
  <row Id="12611" PostId="6200" Score="1" Text="Looks to me like it describes a scenario that could be commonly encountered, a common misconfiguration, a missed step.  An appropriate answer would be one that explains, given the situation described, whether that situation could legitimately occur or seems to be missing something and then provides the steps necessary to correct the configuration." CreationDate="2014-03-25T21:18:13.220" UserId="10023" />
  <row Id="12678" PostId="6200" Score="0" Text="@Triynko Sounds like a separate answer to the question. Make it one and you get my upvote - I would have said exactly the same as you." CreationDate="2014-04-01T12:40:50.350" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="12587" PostId="6202" Score="0" Text="K, Makes sense. I figured as much considering a search for April Fools brought up no relevant results. I can't be the first one to have considered asking." CreationDate="2014-03-21T19:51:45.997" UserId="52589" />
  <row Id="12591" PostId="6205" Score="3" Text="Good point. I just fear that I'm a broken-record by repeating the same thing... Granted, I do try to link the bugfix or release note that applies to the problem. But The frequency with which this occurs on VMware and HP-related items is surprising to me." CreationDate="2014-03-22T00:24:31.147" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12595" PostId="6205" Score="12" Text="@ewwhite You're surprised that people ignore regular maintenance until the server breaks? I though you'd been around IT for a few years..." CreationDate="2014-03-23T02:10:34.790" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12596" PostId="6205" Score="1" Text="@ChrisS What surprises me isn't that people ignore regular server maintenance (hell, we do that because we're very understaffed), it's that when something breaks the first thought isn't `maybe I could try updating that firmware/driver it's been running for 6 years...`" CreationDate="2014-03-23T05:06:55.373" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12614" PostId="6205" Score="3" Text="&quot;It's been running for six years, why would it break now?&quot;" CreationDate="2014-03-26T00:23:42.680" UserId="100095" />
  <row Id="12616" PostId="6205" Score="2" Text="&quot;But we have 500 machines all running the same firmware, why does only this one have trouble?&quot;" CreationDate="2014-03-26T15:34:12.737" UserId="2101" />
  <row Id="12617" PostId="6205" Score="1" Text="@MikeyB Then that's a troubleshooting exercise. Determine what's different with the particular host. I've seem mismatched firmware across similar hardware platforms cause issues with specific nodes." CreationDate="2014-03-26T15:40:35.587" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12618" PostId="6205" Score="3" Text="@ewwhite `Good point. I just fear that I'm a broken-record by repeating the same thing` - Welcome to why my SF participation has been *drastically* reduced in the last 6 months or so. You can only lead so many horses to water before you want to turn them all into glue. The higher SF climbs up the google visibility ladder, the lower the quality of the community, unfortunately. It's why I've replaced my `serverfault.com` bookmark with `chat.serverfault.com`" CreationDate="2014-03-26T16:06:53.170" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12623" PostId="6205" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra But it's for the love of the *game*, er... rep-points!" CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:25:13.323" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12659" PostId="6205" Score="3" Text="I blame the vendors for failing to maintain useful communication with their customers.  If your product has random crashes in a critical component and _all_ of your customers don't know about it and how to fix it, _you_ failed _them_.  Also, failing to be as up-front and complete as possible about side effects to updates so that people don't avoid updates just because the last two updates they did (three years ago) caused days of outages.  That's assuming that all updates are being tested better than they are today." CreationDate="2014-03-27T05:08:59.867" UserId="46122" />
  <row Id="12688" PostId="6205" Score="3" Text="As you say, upgrading might be a practical problem. We need to be sensitive to the possibility that the upgrade can cause unrelated problems. People administering complex systems in production use do not upgrade unless the fixed problem is more important than the risk of breaking some other function. And they might want to do a minimal upgrade, so it is helpful to know which version fixes the problem." CreationDate="2014-04-03T12:38:42.973" UserId="33262" />
  <row Id="12689" PostId="6205" Score="0" Text="At first, it could help if the software/firmware didn't have bugs that need to be patched ;)  tests, tests, tests..." CreationDate="2014-04-03T14:00:39.680" UserId="15677" />
  <row Id="12615" PostId="6206" Score="3" Text="To specifically address your question, if Youtrack is supporting production staff (eg, developers) then the question can be on-topic here. The &quot;development environment&quot; exclusion is mainly against software and configurations that are unsupportable and primarily used by developers as an assessment of what might be supportable (eg running a WAMP stack on your local workstation for initial development of a webapp; WAMP is pretty solidly off-topic here, but if you setup a proper LAMP stack for the webapp that would be on-topic [even though they're pretty close to the same thing])." CreationDate="2014-03-26T14:28:11.870" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12700" PostId="6207" Score="0" Text="Yeah, why not go to the vendor's forums (http://www.jetbrains.com/devnet/youtrack/)?" CreationDate="2014-04-06T18:03:42.693" UserId="22758" />
  <row Id="12619" PostId="6208" Score="3" Text="Ask Microsoft. The rest of us can only guess. And if you don't want a dialogue, then there is no point to this post at all." CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:11:39.963" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12620" PostId="6208" Score="6" Text="Your question does not fall in the scope of server fault. The basic litmus test is &quot;is it a real problem? Does it need solving?&quot; This is not a real problem. It's just someone wondering out aloud. There is nothing to be solved. The general public won't know the answer to you question, and anyone who does will be under an NDA. We don't allow &quot;general discussion&quot; questions, and never have." CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:14:54.873" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="12621" PostId="6208" Score="2" Text="Your question was treated the same way it would have been if one of us had asked it and probably better.  You at least got comments from myself and others that explained why it was an off-topic question and what our &quot;opinion&quot; was at that point.  If one of the regulars had posted that we would have flamed them like crazy and then ribbed them in Chat as well.  It wasn't **YOU** that the downvotes and comments were directed at...it was the **QUESTION**." CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:15:25.790" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12622" PostId="6208" Score="4" Text="This question appears to be off-topic because by the OPs own addmission they are just having a whinge to feel better.&#xA;&#xA;`You don't need to respond. I didn't write this post to have a dialog and feel better about the treatment I got today, but rather to hopefully open your eyes to a serious problem here at SE. `" CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:16:41.040" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12625" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton The purpose of this post was to insight discussion among you all, the perpetrators of the problem.  You have nothing to discuss with me that will be of any value to this site.  As you can see, all of these comments above are directed at me (what you all perceive to be the source of the problem) rather than any meaningful discussion about the way that we conduct business here on SE." CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:39:14.220" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12627" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson Thank you Mark.  As you are undboutedly aware, this explanation would have been far less frustrating than the one I received.  Therein lies the problem." CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:41:04.583" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12629" PostId="6208" Score="4" Text="@Lumberjack: had you read our [about](http://serverfault.com/about) page you'd have saved everyone including yourself the trouble - therein lies the main problem." CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:43:30.880" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12632" PostId="6208" Score="5" Text="You haven't raised any issues that &quot;we&quot; (whoever &quot;we&quot; are) might need to discuss _with each other_. In particular, you haven't identified a problem. And if we have nothing to discuss with _you_ then there really is no point. Goodbye." CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:44:34.653" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12637" PostId="6208" Score="5" Text="@Lumberjack You didn't read what the site was [about] and then you asked a question that is very much off-topic and appeared to get upset that people didn't bother to tell you why. You appear to have enough rep on other SE sites to know that these sites aren't a free-for-all. I'm not sure why you think the problem lies anywhere other than on the asker here." CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:06:36.567" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12638" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra Let us take it as given that I am at fault, that I asked a bad question.  Is it appropriate to close an off=topic question with any tag other than off-topic?  Or does it perhaps illicit this sort of response when we close a question with an obviously wrong reason stated?  I don't know why others participate in SE, but I know why I do.  I participate to help people.  For this reason, you can often find my answers as comments to closed or on hold questions.  If I don't know the answer, I'll at least try to point the asker in the right direction." CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:21:19.593" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12639" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra The problem I wanted to illuminate is most perfectly demonstrated by the one &quot;answer&quot; below.  The insider has such vitriol for the outsider.  I just can't understand where it comes from, and I've observed the problem on many SE sites.  I stopped participating on ESS for this very reason." CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:22:51.050" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12640" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="@Lumberjack Iain doesn't have vitriol for the outsider. As he articulates, he has vitriol for the outsider that can't be bothered to read the help page and ensure that what he's asking is on-topic." CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:23:54.250" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="12641" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra  This question in meta is another great example.  This question is not off topic.  It directly relates to two of the bullet points in the off-topic boiler plate, yet it has been put on-hold.  I can only speculate as to why, but my best guess is to silence the voice of dissent." CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:24:03.763" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12642" PostId="6208" Score="8" Text="`I don't know why others participate in SE, but I know why I do.` - I also like to help people, as evidenced by my 1,914 answers and 75,370 rep. The problem is that there are two kinds of new users. The kind that mean well, read the rules, and ask appropriately detailed questions and the kind that ignore the rules, ask whatever they want, and get bent out of shape when they are told that they did it wrong. You fall into bucket #2. Users that fall into bucket #1 are generally met with helpful responses." CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:27:55.240" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12643" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="`This question in meta is another great example. This question is not off topic. It directly relates to two of the bullet points in the off-topic boiler plate, yet it has been put on-hold.` I'd also point out that you don't ask a question in this meta post. You rant. There isn't a single question mark outside of the blockquotes from your now-deleted question on main. A genuinely constructive question about the rules is fine for meta. Ranting is not. Again - take a minute to familiarize yourself with the rules next time and you may make out better than you did this time." CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:29:31.250" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12644" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="@EEAA I understand the distinction, but I don't know that it is all that meaningful.  I did in fact read the about page before posting my question.  The topic of my question is not covered by the &quot;don't ask&quot; section, and it is covered by the first bullet-point of the &quot;do ask.&quot;  It might be obvious to an insider that my question is a bad question, but it is not always obvious to the person asking." CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:30:07.797" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12645" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra I have just re-read the &quot;About&quot; page, and I am still unable to identify the section that details why I shouldn't have asked the Windows Server question on Server Fault.  The best explanation was provided by #MarkHenderson &quot; The basic litmus test is &quot;is it a real problem? Does it need solving?&quot; This is not a real problem. &quot;  Perhaps the About page should be updated to include something so concisely worded.  My &quot;question&quot; was intended to give some insight into the feelings generated by this behavior.  Surely having spent enough time to garner 75k rep, you have seen this behavior ..." CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:37:09.723" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12646" PostId="6208" Score="1" Text="And to answer your actual question - of course they are working on another OS. Client and server operating system SKUs have been released together since Windows 7/2008 R2. In fact, client/server SKUs share the same kernel and everything now. There are leaked internal builds on Windows 9 on the Internet, so it's safe to assume that the next Windows Server version is also under development. Microsoft isn't going to stop making new operating systems." CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:38:13.150" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12647" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra I'm not so egocentirc as to believe that I am perfect, but how many thousands of people have to make the claims I've made today, before somebody considers that perhaps SE can improve in some small way to make a difference?" CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:38:36.520" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12648" PostId="6208" Score="3" Text="@Lumberjack it's **right there** `&quot;Focus on questions about an actual problem you have faced. Include details about what you have tried and exactly what you are trying to do.&quot;` The question isn't about a problem you have faced. It's literally right there in bold typeface." CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:41:31.427" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12649" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="Anyway, I hope you eventually figure out why you seem to be swimming upstream here. I've tried to help you understand what you're missing, but if you don't get it by now, I can't help you any further." CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:46:56.063" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12650" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra Can you provide a link, because Ctrl-F for your text is bringing up nothing on the page: http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic" CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:48:33.420" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12651" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="You don't even have to go all the way to the on-topic section. It's right in [about]. http://i.imgur.com/qpfDOMP.png the [Don't ask](http://serverfault.com/help/dont-ask) section also spells this out: `&quot;You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face. Chatty, open-ended questions diminish the usefulness of our site and push other questions off the front page.&quot;`" CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:50:17.170" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12652" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra Someone should add some text to this affect in the on-topic section.  Also, adding some text illuminating this point on the Ask A Question page would go a long way to reducing the frequency of these problems, and improve the experience of SE users." CreationDate="2014-03-26T22:58:38.580" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12657" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="@EEAA I think the on-topic page http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic needs to be updated.  I did read it before posting my question, and I think you should read it too.  My question wasn't open ended.  It wasn't &quot;general discussion.&quot;  It wasn't opinion based.  It was off topic, because it wasn't a problem that needed to be solved.  The on-topic section makes no mention of this particular caveat.  And for the record MDMarra did a fine job of answering my question above.  Had things gone differently, MDMarra's answer would likely have a green check mark next to it." CreationDate="2014-03-26T23:40:53.410" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12658" PostId="6208" Score="4" Text="This conversation has run its course. Please don't make me lock it again. It's the *internet* people." CreationDate="2014-03-26T23:47:50.230" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="12653" PostId="6209" Score="6" Text="$StrongSwearword" CreationDate="2014-03-26T23:01:22.130" UserId="119254" />
  <row Id="12677" PostId="6209" Score="0" Text="@Massimo I can assure you - not only Italians do think that way. &quot;Do not touch a running system&quot; is different than &quot;Do not run a touchy system&quot;. The latter was the case here and could have been fixed by patching." CreationDate="2014-04-01T12:35:43.153" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="20070" PostId="6209" Score="0" Text="American telecoms are no different." CreationDate="2015-12-16T14:18:20.163" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="12628" PostId="6210" Score="0" Text="It is unfortunate that your reply is directed at me.  The discussion you should be having is with your comrades here.  With that said, I will do you the service of responding anyhow." CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:42:45.367" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12630" PostId="6210" Score="1" Text="Do you realise how frustrating it is to have a daily deluge of crappy....   You are an insider and so you act and think like an insider, with vitriol for the perceived outsider.  This is the problem." CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:43:33.603" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12631" PostId="6210" Score="0" Text="Do you realise just how frustrating it is to then have them come to meta.... You're being presented an opportunity to grow as a community, and you're using it as a circle jerk instead.  Your choice." CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:44:01.713" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12633" PostId="6210" Score="0" Text="Do you realise just how frustrating it is to have people not read the text provided.... I read the text.  It was my inability to understand said &quot;boiler plate text&quot; that led me to post here." CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:44:34.573" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12635" PostId="6210" Score="1" Text="@Lumberjack: Your 'question' isn't about the text it's just a whiney whinge." CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:46:44.300" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12636" PostId="6210" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Its only a waste of time because you are unwilling to think about the problem from any perspective but your own.  So be it." CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:47:01.113" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12654" PostId="6210" Score="0" Text="The about page is virtually hidden in comparison to the many resources provided by the site to help an asker determine if his question is appropriate or not.  The about page is a tiny text only link hidden in the footer section of the main page.  By contrast, if you click Ask A Question, the sidebar reads: Review our list of allowed topics. We prefer questions that can be answered, not just discussed.  The &quot;list of allowed topics&quot; is a link that takes you to the Help Page for Asking.  It lists what is on-topic and what is off-topic.  http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic" CreationDate="2014-03-26T23:07:52.843" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12655" PostId="6210" Score="0" Text="I suspect (and site analysis could confirm) that the about page gets many less hits than the on-topic page.  In any case, the on-topic page should include some text illustrating the point that has been repeated here.  furthermore, given how painfully frustrating it is for everyone here to deal with a &quot;daily deluge of crappy off topic questions asked by people who have completely missed every opportunity to familiarise themselves with our topicality and scope.&quot;  Maybe you could consider that your perspective isn't the only one.  Perhaps it is possible that one of these annoying people ..." CreationDate="2014-03-26T23:11:32.617" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12656" PostId="6210" Score="0" Text="could have actually attempted to verify the validity of his question before asking it.  Maybe this information that is so universally obvious to an insider isn't as ubiquitous as you perceive.  If that is the case you should be my loudest supporter in asking that this detail be more widely published on the site.  Would not better communication help to reduce the frequency of both our frustrations?" CreationDate="2014-03-26T23:14:48.287" UserId="196981" />
  <row Id="12667" PostId="6211" Score="0" Text="Does anyone by chance know the other place where I could ask such questions?" CreationDate="2014-03-30T15:34:07.863" UserId="213756" />
  <row Id="12669" PostId="6211" Score="1" Text="1. Don't setup a tracker, just use one of the publicly available ones (see http://publicbt.com/). 2. [Transmission BitTorrent Client](http://www.transmissionbt.com/), works great as a server and runs on just about anything (also in the FreeBSD ports tree - just a guess by your avatar)." CreationDate="2014-03-31T00:06:29.017" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12670" PostId="6211" Score="16" Text="I give you a hearty *Bravo* for coming here to ask a clarifying question about the scope of Serverfault. Thank you, thank you, thank you. You can't imagine how many people we have that come here, asking questions about anything and everything, feeling entitled to an answer regardless if the topic is completely out-of-scope for the site. Thank you again." CreationDate="2014-03-31T03:04:57.290" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="12671" PostId="6211" Score="10" Text="There's nothing &quot;unethical&quot; about a protocol. I've periodically run a private bittorrent tracker in my K12 education Customer's LAN to speed up deployment of new disk images out to client computers. (We write the WIM file out to a secondary partition and image from there via PXE boot.) The bittorrent protocol can be used for perfectly legal and &quot;ethical&quot; purposes." CreationDate="2014-03-31T04:16:47.970" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="12674" PostId="6211" Score="0" Text="@Evan I heartily agree that there can't be anything &quot;unethical&quot; about a protocol. I _cribbed_ this wording wrom [an earlier question](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/210790/ethics-of-a-bittorrent-software-proposal-in-area-51), which was the only one I could find on StackExchange that was relatively on-topic. By the way, my latest question on this topic is [at SuperUser](http://superuser.com/questions/735874/i-would-like-to-set-up-a-website-to-share-files-via-torrents-what-should-i-know), per [Iain's recommendation](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/6212/213756)." CreationDate="2014-03-31T15:38:00.300" UserId="213756" />
  <row Id="12676" PostId="6211" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS 12 'questions' none about the BSDs." CreationDate="2014-03-31T20:22:01.833" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12702" PostId="6211" Score="0" Text="@josten: The question isn't about the legality of the tools it's about which tools to use and how to set them up. Which tools to use falls under shopping how to set them up falls under too broad. We expect questions to be specific and answerable within a reasonable length. You'll note that my answer is not directed at the torrent server aspect of the OPs question and would be equally applicable in many scenarios." CreationDate="2014-04-07T07:28:59.920" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12665" PostId="6212" Score="5" Text="Damn it!  You hit exactly the same points in exactly the same order I was typing them up..." CreationDate="2014-03-30T15:02:34.533" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="12666" PostId="6212" Score="2" Text="Tough but fair. I guess until I have _specific_ questions I should ask  them elsewhere, on some kind of forum? Do you by chance know another place where I could ask such questions?" CreationDate="2014-03-30T15:33:40.650" UserId="213756" />
  <row Id="12668" PostId="6212" Score="0" Text="@NickolaiLeschov Probably [su]." CreationDate="2014-03-30T15:53:00.200" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12673" PostId="6212" Score="1" Text="+1 - for @Ward. :)" CreationDate="2014-03-31T13:07:14.203" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12679" PostId="6213" Score="3" Text="I suppose it would be on-topic here, but I'm not sure it would get much love.  This sounds like an awful solution to the problem you're describing." CreationDate="2014-04-01T14:20:12.863" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12683" PostId="6217" Score="0" Text="Why the downvote?" CreationDate="2014-04-02T16:05:48.017" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="12684" PostId="6217" Score="0" Text="It's meta... who cares why the downvote?  Maybe because SE usually does something with unicorns on April Fool's day." CreationDate="2014-04-02T22:04:40.007" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="12682" PostId="6218" Score="1" Text="Old?! I thought it was brilliant. And quite a bit of work for just one day..." CreationDate="2014-04-02T13:23:34.980" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12696" PostId="6219" Score="0" Text="This is just as bad as the other ***3*** community ads you've proposed this year. Please stop, review the comments on the previous submissions, and try to address the issues before posting again." CreationDate="2014-04-04T15:02:31.510" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12697" PostId="6219" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS, which comments are you talking about?  I don't see any comments of why they are being voted down by some people." CreationDate="2014-04-04T16:26:52.523" UserId="110020" />
  <row Id="12698" PostId="6219" Score="1" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6005/community-promotion-ads-2014/6219?noredirect=1#comment12180_6048" CreationDate="2014-04-04T19:18:55.927" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12699" PostId="6219" Score="1" Text="Additional, these seem to be sites you are affiliated with. Trying to promote sites you are affiliated with requires minimal disclosure per the [help], and seems spamy regardless." CreationDate="2014-04-04T19:24:04.410" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12692" PostId="6220" Score="0" Text="I don't see why not." CreationDate="2014-04-04T13:55:09.973" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="12693" PostId="6221" Score="0" Text="so there isn't a magical merge command? I'm shocked ;) thanks tom!" CreationDate="2014-04-04T14:00:06.513" UserId="97077" />
  <row Id="12694" PostId="6221" Score="0" Text="Not that I've found so far... It's a pretty manual process of editing questions." CreationDate="2014-04-04T14:09:34.710" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="12695" PostId="6221" Score="2" Text="Um, yeah, there is a magical merge command..." CreationDate="2014-04-04T15:00:20.263" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12727" PostId="6222" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the feedback folks. I know that we're an infobase before a community, and certainly not a forum, but sometimes it's still easy to fall into related traps." CreationDate="2014-04-09T18:34:23.590" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="12701" PostId="6224" Score="13" Text="+1 I've never wasted so much time as trying to whittle down a 22 page forum post to the 17 sentences of relevant content I'm after." CreationDate="2014-04-07T02:43:56.973" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12705" PostId="6225" Score="2" Text="Self-deleted questions sill count against you in the question-ban algorithm, so that's not likely to help you avoid a question ban anyway." CreationDate="2014-04-08T16:27:34.233" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12722" PostId="6227" Score="3" Text="3-Click rule of Web Design: When people are looking for something they'll only click 3 times before they get frustrated and quit looking. You have to burn 2 click just to find the Help Center..." CreationDate="2014-04-09T13:47:21.883" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12704" PostId="6229" Score="35" Text="Sadly yes, this is the state of the professional today. As a consultant I see companies who want enterprise data storage on a mom &amp; pop budget so they have very junior staff handling things they don't understand (or the office manager is the &quot;computer person&quot;) and when things go wrong they don't understand why all this other stuff is effected." CreationDate="2014-04-08T15:53:04.853" UserId="1674" />
  <row Id="12713" PostId="6229" Score="3" Text="Run away at the earliest opportunity." CreationDate="2014-04-08T21:04:38.877" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12720" PostId="6229" Score="9" Text="@mrdenny When you say “who want enterprise data storage on a mom &amp; pop budget” I tend to agree. But I think the larger issue is that computing hardware &amp; software is so disposable to some—and there is a such a high demand for skills—that any clown who can “fake it to make it” will get a gig, do what they think is best &amp; nobody questions it. This kind of work is inherently invisible &amp; the problems only show up years later. Basically, incompetence is rewarded in I.T. nowadays." CreationDate="2014-04-09T11:27:58.107" UserId="100013" />
  <row Id="12723" PostId="6229" Score="0" Text="Haha just saw this topic in the sidebar, this just kinda [happened to me](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22961735/ad-code-conversion-tool-is-not-working/22961881#22961881) and I got downvoted because of OP not getting it lulz!! @lain advice is best, run and avoid eye contact..." CreationDate="2014-04-09T14:38:49.130" UserId="154732" />
  <row Id="12725" PostId="6229" Score="9" Text="Obligatory: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19665/the-help-vampire-problem" CreationDate="2014-04-09T16:12:49.603" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="12743" PostId="6229" Score="5" Text="Keep in mind this xkcd comic: http://xkcd.com/386/ and don't become that person. It is not our responsibility to rescue every helpless techy who might have a job they're aren't qualified for or don't care about.  Offer help, but don't let it drive you to frustration." CreationDate="2014-04-09T21:39:05.197" UserId="19710" />
  <row Id="12747" PostId="6229" Score="11" Text="Hi! I totally regret not being an expert or knowledgeable in the subject. And I also make an apology than I'm being one of the person who made you frustrating. I'm pretty much new to the subjected questions which I've asked. In our organization, I did had a senior supervisor who's responsible for these typos, who suddenly left the organization leaving me no choice, no training &amp; not even a technical documentation. The comments and questions that I've asked is to make sure that I'm not doing anything wrong and I'm on the right path. I will further improve my self before asking a question. :(" CreationDate="2014-04-12T05:40:21.903" UserId="183329" />
  <row Id="12748" PostId="6229" Score="8" Text="@ewwhite - Though I became a pain, I really would like to thank you for helping me out knowing that its frustrating to help further. My supervisor was no good to me nor helpful to me at all. If I would've had a mentor like you, I'd definitely improve myself learning the things I handle without just shooting questions. Also, my intention was never to bother anyone taking my load. It just me packed with so many tasks and left alone doing all in no time. Once again, thank you for all the help &amp; this post made me think of improving myself a alot more as newbie. God bless you!" CreationDate="2014-04-12T05:44:08.303" UserId="183329" />
  <row Id="12751" PostId="6229" Score="9" Text="@AzkerM You're one of the good ones. Thank you for going the extra mile, as usually these types of situations are very thankless for us. Pardon any jaded attitudes; your reception to this type of advice is by far in the minority." CreationDate="2014-04-12T19:08:24.373" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="12752" PostId="6229" Score="0" Text="Sorry to get off topic here, but if this situation is true with professionals today, it's be much better than the situation with &quot;professionals&quot; in previous centuries. Back then, there were fewer people to fill all the jobs, with several having jobs in more than 1 &quot;industry&quot;, not to mention all the nepotism. Think about it: would you rather be in an industry because of your parents, that you don't like, where nobody is really an *expert*, or an industry you like being in, where you can get **a lot** of help, where people actually know what they're doing?" CreationDate="2014-04-13T00:12:48.433" UserId="190943" />
  <row Id="12765" PostId="6229" Score="3" Text="It's curious to see my question here. Well unfortunately the OP (me) get the point when debating with @JedDaniels, and your answer wasn't what I'm expecting but I up voted it because it's still right. As I stated in my question I was just following the guidance from oficial documentation for the product that I'm using and I asked in srvflt expecting an answer just like Jed have done.&#xA;&#xA;Of course there's a lot of bad questions in srvflt, but no one born knowing everything, and if it's forbidden to ask, this site loses it's purpose." CreationDate="2014-04-14T03:08:40.100" UserId="127819" />
  <row Id="12786" PostId="6229" Score="5" Text="With your 89K reputation, nobody can argue about your dedication to ServerFault. I understand that is difficult to step back, but sometimes you really need to have a break, take a long walk ... clear your head. Anyway thanks again for being who you are." CreationDate="2014-04-15T17:36:32.817" UserId="110347" />
  <row Id="12787" PostId="6229" Score="0" Text="@Ouki Thank you. I'm taking that advice and cutting-back on participation." CreationDate="2014-04-15T17:42:14.010" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12848" PostId="6229" Score="1" Text="well, also remember that alot of programmers dont know much about hardware ..  but still need to use it time to time :) ... doesnt necessarily mean they are clueless.  nowadays w/ JS, browswer side computing,  cloud, machine learning being so important setting up servers is a skill that not all of us are specialized in." CreationDate="2014-04-18T15:12:28.113" UserId="99778" />
  <row Id="12849" PostId="6229" Score="0" Text="@jayunit100 Very true. It's the move to the cloud and easier access to computing resources that makes me worry. Sometimes there isn't proper respect for hardware and *old-school* sysadmin server experience." CreationDate="2014-04-18T15:39:40.353" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12850" PostId="6229" Score="0" Text="@jayunit100: That's why there are people who have those skills." CreationDate="2014-04-18T16:06:26.827" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12866" PostId="6229" Score="4" Text="yup.  just keep sharing the knowledge.  sometimes its frustrating but , i would just keep sharing.  if you think someone doesnt know something fundamental:  Share with them the means to fix the holes in their knowledge (i.e. &quot;read chapters 5-7 of this book ...&quot; or &quot;watch this talk on ...&quot;)." CreationDate="2014-04-21T03:33:36.987" UserId="99778" />
  <row Id="13040" PostId="6229" Score="0" Text="I addressed a similar question for SO now on [Meta](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/180957/147650). In summary, as the existing answers are saying, walk away." CreationDate="2014-05-15T16:08:07.533" UserId="56865" />
  <row Id="12721" PostId="6230" Score="1" Text="&quot;Go .. and think about what you've done&quot; - The whole office just heard me laughing at that. I think you're ready to settle down and raise kids." CreationDate="2014-04-09T13:42:54.607" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12724" PostId="6230" Score="4" Text="@ChrisS It's still illegal to kill them and eat them before they can compete for the food supply. Let me know when my Lizard Parenting Skills will be acceptable to the masses :)" CreationDate="2014-04-09T15:49:49.390" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12744" PostId="6230" Score="0" Text="It ought to be a mirror. I went to a lot of trouble to make both of those identical." CreationDate="2014-04-09T23:53:56.337" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12706" PostId="6232" Score="0" Text="+1 That first line... I honestly feel bad, but 9/10 you aren't going to be the solution anyway." CreationDate="2014-04-08T17:09:55.207" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12930" PostId="6232" Score="1" Text="I disagree. I learnt a lot from a guy I used to work with when I first entered the industry 5.5 years ago. Now, he comes to me for help. If he just walked away when he realised how little I knew, I would not be in a well paid job now and still be on the bottom of the IT support food chain." CreationDate="2014-05-01T11:00:05.067" UserId="164313" />
  <row Id="12931" PostId="6232" Score="0" Text="@Simkill ...and you are aware of the slight difference in the hordes of clueless people asking for &quot;HALP!&quot; on the internet, and assisting a coworker... right?" CreationDate="2014-05-01T12:47:46.853" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12707" PostId="6234" Score="1" Text="sudo lsof -n | grep ssl | grep DEL" CreationDate="2014-04-08T17:33:54.937" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12708" PostId="6234" Score="0" Text="If this was not fully answered in the target question, it should be." CreationDate="2014-04-08T17:35:23.780" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12709" PostId="6234" Score="0" Text="That command only works if openssl gets a new version number on a given system though, iain, and since the patch is backported on most distros the version doesn't change" CreationDate="2014-04-08T17:39:44.030" UserId="110835" />
  <row Id="12710" PostId="6234" Score="1" Text="@xref: That is not my experience on CentOS which is a backport but then again I was in a position to be able to reboot anyway." CreationDate="2014-04-08T17:47:29.707" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12711" PostId="6234" Score="0" Text="The Answers below are preferred, especially Nathan's. But you can always Flag a Question and explain what's going on too." CreationDate="2014-04-08T19:23:33.513" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12712" PostId="6237" Score="10" Text="+1 `Glowing Internet Sparkle Points`" CreationDate="2014-04-08T19:24:40.293" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12714" PostId="6237" Score="7" Text="I thought I was helping people :(" CreationDate="2014-04-08T21:17:05.207" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12715" PostId="6237" Score="2" Text="You can't have it both ways... it's admirable to help people, but if unstinting in your help you'll sometimes get burned: some people will take advantage of your helpfulness, some will make you waste your efforts because *they just don't know* that they're totally out of their depth and doing everything wrong.  You've gotten 3 essentially identical answers: run away, walk away, stop doing it." CreationDate="2014-04-08T21:40:34.393" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="12716" PostId="6237" Score="2" Text="I mean, haven't you ever dealt with a help vampire in real life?  If it's your job to help someone then you can try and there are ways to be nice about it, but even IRL you sometimes walk away.  Like I said, it's admirable to try to help people (I'm not at all like that, I assume the worst right off the top), but you have to know that some people can't be helped - someone has to be on the left-hand side of the bell curve." CreationDate="2014-04-08T21:43:09.587" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="12717" PostId="6237" Score="1" Text="@ward is this happening with greater frequency? Maybe that's what's throwing me off." CreationDate="2014-04-08T22:20:46.340" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12719" PostId="6237" Score="0" Text="@ewwhite - I definitely feel like it's happening on the site w/ greater frequency. (I'm also totally w/ you on the 'I thought I was helping people' comment.)" CreationDate="2014-04-09T11:16:57.557" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="12726" PostId="6237" Score="1" Text="Adding to what @Ward said, sometimes the best thing you can do is help someone recognize that they're out of their depth. This will often lead into the same responses we get out of challenging the professional applicability of a question: indignation, &quot;I don't care the business demands it&quot;, and the occasional person that it clicks with. You put in the effort for the third, but the effort stops the moment you hit the first two." CreationDate="2014-04-09T18:24:24.750" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="12750" PostId="6237" Score="0" Text="...Case in point: http://serverfault.com/questions/588623/is-nfs-good-to-share-disk-images-over-the-internet" CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:55:34.460" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="12749" PostId="6238" Score="0" Text="You sir! your points are purely valid and it make sense for me to enhance my skills. But I would also like to make a point that just because an OP ask continuous question relatively doesn't mean all of them are just try to find a solution using you or another. My intention was never to do that but I had to post it to make sure that a professional like you answer and say that yes, I'm on the right path. Anyhow, I'm now trying to better my self learning before I come up with any issues. Main reason was, I'm new to the subject which I posted and there were none to help me with. :)" CreationDate="2014-04-12T05:48:43.350" UserId="183329" />
  <row Id="12764" PostId="6238" Score="3" Text="This is why we have the &quot;Questions must demonstrate a minimal understanding of the problem being solved&quot; vote to close reason." CreationDate="2014-04-14T01:25:16.357" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="12766" PostId="6238" Score="0" Text="@andrew and sadly I find myself clicking that reason a LOT." CreationDate="2014-04-14T03:23:08.743" UserId="108667" />
  <row Id="12730" PostId="6241" Score="5" Text="♪♫ Let it go...let it go...♪♫" CreationDate="2014-04-09T19:26:43.990" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12731" PostId="6241" Score="4" Text="Well, the first thing you do is post on Meta citing a specific example, ***with a link to your question*** so the rest of the community and moderator team can look at it and decide if your complaint is warranted. I'm not digging through your user history to find what you think is a &quot;negative, ad hominem comment&quot;, so until you make this easy for me my level of caring is pretty much zero..." CreationDate="2014-04-09T19:26:46.277" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12733" PostId="6241" Score="1" Text="What did your deleted comment say *exactly*? I find it hard to believe that a moderator would delete a comment that attempts to clarify a question unless that comment was rude or inappropriate. I believe that moderators can see deleted comments but cannot disclose their content due to the moderator rules that they abide by. Without knowing what it actually said, there's no way to know whether you're full of hot air or if someone is abusing their power (and given your response in Michael's answer, I find the latter tough to believe)." CreationDate="2014-04-09T19:30:27.810" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12734" PostId="6241" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra It was a snarky retort to Michael's comment, prototypical of the &quot;Just give me teh codez&quot; questions." CreationDate="2014-04-09T19:35:56.687" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12735" PostId="6241" Score="0" Text="I don't remember exactly what I said, but it was something about how this Michael Hampton moderator, who after him having posted a rude comment about me, I wished that he would not have done so as I didn't want him detracting the attention of my question towards how he felt that I was asking something that shouldn't be asked." CreationDate="2014-04-09T19:36:00.827" UserId="204834" />
  <row Id="12736" PostId="6241" Score="0" Text="The problem with that is, I never posted a rude comment about you. You started this yourself." CreationDate="2014-04-09T19:37:14.473" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12738" PostId="6241" Score="7" Text="@jxqz It looks to me like he gave you the answer to your question.  Recompile the code.  That you don't like this answer, or aren't allowed to use it changes nothing.  It's still the right answer and not even remotely an &quot;ad homenim&quot; attack." CreationDate="2014-04-09T19:41:20.513" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12728" PostId="6242" Score="0" Text="Oh, this guy again.  Yeah, dude I'm so rude to you.  What irony." CreationDate="2014-04-09T19:22:53.843" UserId="204834" />
  <row Id="12729" PostId="6242" Score="14" Text="Yes, and you're doing it again. You really should quit while you're behind." CreationDate="2014-04-09T19:23:52.053" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12737" PostId="6242" Score="6" Text="@MichaelHampton [&quot;ad hominem&quot;](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem) is attacking someone's character instead of responding to their logical criticism. A simple example would be someone criticizing your argument, and respond with &quot;well, you're ugly&quot;. Unfortunately jxqz is using the term incorrectly. He could have tried a [&quot;no true scotsman&quot;](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman) argument, that you were dismissing his problem on account of impurity - which would be vaguely accurate, though [&quot;don't do that&quot;](http://goo.gl/nwKI65) is a valid response to some questions here." CreationDate="2014-04-09T19:39:25.453" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12740" PostId="6242" Score="1" Text="A few years back, OpenOffice was in much the same state as this guy's project. Yet it was successfully disentangled from its bundled dependencies. I doubt he's got anything bigger than an office suite to package..." CreationDate="2014-04-09T19:49:12.713" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12739" PostId="6243" Score="4" Text="Only moderators can see deleted comments. Deleted posts can be seen by their OP, Mods, and users over 10k." CreationDate="2014-04-09T19:45:02.847" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12746" PostId="6243" Score="0" Text="Yes, this was a terrible reply.  I was annoyed by his, &quot;I already told your boss&quot; comment when clearly he knows neither my boss nor the reasons for my asking.  I escalated here to meta is because I was frustrated that this moderator who appeared to disapprove of my question also had the power to remove my comments and frame the discussion according to what he wanted.  I can understand that RTFM and strict topical scrutiny are commonplace for experienced users in places such as serverfault, so next time perhaps I'll ask in some other forum where people tend to be more chill." CreationDate="2014-04-10T19:11:28.327" UserId="204834" />
  <row Id="12745" PostId="6247" Score="1" Text="I'll sometimes answer the odd, &quot;I know this is a terrible approach, but management says I have to do it this way, and I lost that fight.  How do I do it?&quot; out of sympathy.  I remember losing similar battles with PHBs past.  Part of the Tao for me is tone;  I'm most likely to respond to &quot;resigned.&quot;  That said, I'm no help to the OP, because I'm not really an expert on hammering rpmbuild into doing ugly, terrible things.  And honestly, if this is a common thing, I think they need to find other employment where they're not asked to do hideous things on a regular basis." CreationDate="2014-04-10T14:38:51.647" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12754" PostId="6248" Score="3" Text="See also: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5475/why-professional-capacity" CreationDate="2014-04-13T14:37:23.477" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12755" PostId="6250" Score="1" Text="Mmm...it sounds like a dog chasing his own tail. If I am a professional I don't need to ask advices to other professionals. I though server fault was a place to ask and share knowledge about network configuration/architectures problems. Take stackoverflow: there are a lot of interesting programming questions, but there are beginner questions too. Last day I asked a question about what to use between nfs and iscsi for a specific problem. I got insults because my scenario was too trivial...people didn't answer to my question, they just condemned my scenario." CreationDate="2014-04-13T15:25:03.007" UserId="162052" />
  <row Id="12757" PostId="6250" Score="9" Text="@Phate If you're a professional, you are expected to have the basics down. If you need help with the basics, then you ask at one of the QA sites that are for answering basic questions. You wouldn't go to a discussion site for neurosurgeons and ask how to thread a suture needle, would you?" CreationDate="2014-04-13T15:50:29.537" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="12758" PostId="6250" Score="1" Text="@Phate: If you are a professional we have expectations that you will know how to do your own research and present it as part of your question - you're not, you don't ... I also looked at your questions. You have a remarkably low hit rate too. This is a clue that SF isn't tuned in to your problem areas. You've asked ~25% (8/34) of the [tag:openvswitch] questions and the tag itself doesn't have a good hit rate 19/34 unanswered. Perhaps SF isn't the place for you or [tag:openvswitch]" CreationDate="2014-04-13T16:02:08.470" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12759" PostId="6250" Score="4" Text="@Iain It's true we don't have much [tag:openvswitch] expertise here yet. Mainly that's because it's relatively new. The problem with these questions in particular is they betray a lack of sufficient knowledge of networking, which is a prerequisite for using Open vSwitch." CreationDate="2014-04-13T16:04:49.170" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12760" PostId="6250" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton a sewer before it even starts then :(" CreationDate="2014-04-13T19:35:06.753" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12761" PostId="6250" Score="12" Text="Phate, your very first comment on this answer is way off-beam.  I've been doing this stuff for twenty years, and I learn something genuinely new from SF at least once a week.  Every so often, I get so stumped that I have to ask a question, and the help I've got here is like gold dust to me.  I don't want to comment on anything else you've said, as others are doing that, but I **do** want to squelch your idea that professionals don't need help from other pros.  There is a need for that.  There is a place for that.  This is it." CreationDate="2014-04-13T20:27:58.687" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12762" PostId="6250" Score="2" Text="@Iain Maybe, maybe not. It's just one of those very advanced things. I more-or-less know what I'm doing and even I find software defined networking rather complex. Someone who isn't well grounded in the fundamentals has no chance. And it isn't our place to teach those fundamentals, of course." CreationDate="2014-04-13T23:41:34.473" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12782" PostId="6250" Score="5" Text="@MadHatter Good professionals know that they have a strong grounding in *certain areas*, and that a good team is comprised of individuals who bring different strengths to the table. Bad professionals prefer others to think that they know everything. Bad managers [expect them to](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg)." CreationDate="2014-04-14T22:50:34.257" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="12767" PostId="6252" Score="6" Text="&quot;Downvoting and voting to close are not unfriendly, they're just part of the way SE sites work.&quot; Indeed. In fact I'd go further - calling a group &quot;unfriendly&quot; when you've not taken the time to figure out how it is supposed to work is the actual unfriendly act here; it's expecting the world to change to fit you and that is selfish. Selfish acts are not friendly acts." CreationDate="2014-04-14T11:44:34.343" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="12763" PostId="6253" Score="13" Text="&quot;My server is herping, and I need it to derp&quot; &lt;--- I LOLed. :)" CreationDate="2014-04-14T00:53:41.150" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="12768" PostId="6255" Score="11" Text="I'm going to guess that the original close-voters considered trying to install a discontinued product on an OS for which it wasn't designed as `not being relevant to professional system administration` which seems reasonable though." CreationDate="2014-04-14T14:16:11.467" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12776" PostId="6255" Score="0" Text="That's a condescending personal attack, and I'm surprised that you received up votes for it.  Maybe that indicates something that needs further investigation." CreationDate="2014-04-14T18:04:20.097" UserId="88350" />
  <row Id="12777" PostId="6255" Score="7" Text="@mbrownnyc I don't think &quot;condescending personal attack&quot; means what you think it means. He spoke out against **what you were doing**, which was indeed stupid, not about who you are personally." CreationDate="2014-04-14T18:07:05.307" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="12778" PostId="6255" Score="0" Text="I was trying to ride the righteous train, but I just can't mess with you meta guys.  Thanks for the clarification." CreationDate="2014-04-14T18:08:55.513" UserId="88350" />
  <row Id="12779" PostId="6255" Score="6" Text="@mbrownnyc - Well you're not doing yourself any favors here." CreationDate="2014-04-14T18:10:20.067" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="12780" PostId="6255" Score="6" Text="@EEAA That's the second guy in a week who lashed out about us attacking their character when we weren't... Maybe it's a new &quot;thing&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-04-14T18:34:30.573" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12781" PostId="6255" Score="2" Text="@ChrisS God help us if it is." CreationDate="2014-04-14T18:36:16.203" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="12785" PostId="6255" Score="7" Text="@ChrisS It's a thing, but it's not exactly new..." CreationDate="2014-04-15T06:03:49.730" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="12858" PostId="6255" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS: Definitely a thing now :(" CreationDate="2014-04-19T08:29:56.193" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="12789" PostId="6256" Score="0" Text="Yeah a definite increase I had [one with the potential](http://serverfault.com/questions/589023/…) to go like that today but I mostly ignored the followup and it was headed off at the pass by a bunch of upstanding citizens." CreationDate="2014-04-15T20:59:04.633" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12790" PostId="6256" Score="6" Text="Yeah, I had one the other day that looked like a reasonable question until he clarified in the comments.  As soon as he admitted that he didn't know how to [do unbelievably basic GUI tool task] I VTCed and walked away briskly, avoiding eye contact." CreationDate="2014-04-15T22:19:00.183" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12791" PostId="6257" Score="2" Text="Not sure I agree with this. &quot;bad at your job&quot; isn't the same as &quot;not a professional&quot;" CreationDate="2014-04-16T03:23:42.123" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12792" PostId="6257" Score="3" Text="@MDMarra I dunno, I think it is, as we use the word on ServerFault.  Even if someone is employed as a sysadmin, if they ask something basic enough or want to do something wrong enough, we close it down for &quot;unprofessional.&quot;  Whether it's actually the case or not, &quot;professional&quot; implies certain standards and levels of competence.  I've made money doing any manner of things, but that hardly makes me a &quot;professional&quot; locksmith, or a &quot;professional&quot; driver or a &quot;professional&quot; alcohol distributor, and so on." CreationDate="2014-04-16T06:14:11.443" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12795" PostId="6257" Score="7" Text="@MDMarra Unfortunately &quot;you're bad at this and you should feel bad&quot; isn't a valid close reason. ;)" CreationDate="2014-04-16T12:02:01.687" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="12797" PostId="6257" Score="1" Text="I mean...there are custom close reasons now." CreationDate="2014-04-16T12:04:49.280" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12801" PostId="6257" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra There are custom close reasons, but from experience, I can tell you that if you get too creative... or in many cases, too honest, it causes problems.  The auto-comment close reason gets flagged as rude, the OP gets all butt-hurt, and it's a big thing. Seems better for everyone to just close for &quot;not professional&quot; and explain that &quot;professional&quot; means certain standards, and &quot;doing it right,&quot; rather than explaining why, specifically, $[brain-dead, amateur-quality idea] is a brain-dead amateur-quality idea." CreationDate="2014-04-16T13:06:22.423" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12803" PostId="6257" Score="0" Text="Burn! (heh, butthurt)" CreationDate="2014-04-16T14:24:47.417" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12829" PostId="6257" Score="1" Text="&quot;*If it's gonna be amateur night, I want a hundred thousand dollars. I want it upfront. I want it in a bank account. I want another hundred thousand when you get the [accepted answer].*&quot;" CreationDate="2014-04-17T07:14:33.173" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12922" PostId="6257" Score="0" Text="This speaks more to what people want these sites to be as opposed to what they are." CreationDate="2014-04-24T17:53:20.103" UserId="8463" />
  <row Id="12793" PostId="6258" Score="0" Text="You linked to the same question twice..." CreationDate="2014-04-16T11:47:57.643" UserId="174582" />
  <row Id="12794" PostId="6258" Score="0" Text="@Bob, Thanks.  Fixed." CreationDate="2014-04-16T11:49:09.987" UserId="31784" />
  <row Id="12796" PostId="6258" Score="0" Text="Something you've missed - Should we on SF care about how _you_ interact with _your_ customers." CreationDate="2014-04-16T12:03:10.103" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12798" PostId="6258" Score="0" Text="@Iain My question is about what to tell my company's employees, not its customers.  There seems to be more ambiguity in my question than I thought." CreationDate="2014-04-16T12:06:00.507" UserId="31784" />
  <row Id="12799" PostId="6258" Score="5" Text="@WayneConrad: Well yes, you consistently use `client` rather than `employee` for starters." CreationDate="2014-04-16T12:08:38.253" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12800" PostId="6258" Score="0" Text="@Ian That was a retarded choice of words on my part.  Thanks for pointing it out.  I've fixed it." CreationDate="2014-04-16T12:15:03.570" UserId="31784" />
  <row Id="12802" PostId="6258" Score="3" Text="While possibly not a duplicate, I think it should remain closed as &quot;too localized&quot; (a close reason that used to exist and still can be utilized as custom, only because your employees vs. others are different.  What you tell your employees is based on your company culture, the mediums used to disseminate information, how intelligent or unintelligent your employee base is, etc.  Explaining Heartbleed to a programming/devops company vs. explaining it to an office full of admin assistants is two totally different things." CreationDate="2014-04-16T13:26:08.180" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12808" PostId="6259" Score="21" Text="I think we should focus on answering questions and using comments for their intended purpose of requesting clarification etc rather than erm _commentary_." CreationDate="2014-04-16T16:28:45.550" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12847" PostId="6259" Score="1" Text="I can't upvote this enough." CreationDate="2014-04-18T11:59:31.823" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="12862" PostId="6259" Score="0" Text="http://serverfault.com/a/355623/126632 http://serverfault.com/questions/327738/how-dangerous-is-a-wet-server-room-floor#comment320505_327738 http://serverfault.com/questions/491579/is-it-safe-to-add-usr-bin-to-open-basedir#comment549596_491579" CreationDate="2014-04-20T02:26:18.697" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12863" PostId="6259" Score="1" Text="Haha whoops. I never claimed innocence ;)" CreationDate="2014-04-20T02:28:44.280" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12864" PostId="6259" Score="0" Text="Neither did I. Though in my case, the OP did offer to accept it as an answer... :)" CreationDate="2014-04-20T02:31:09.640" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12924" PostId="6259" Score="1" Text="Reading some of the commentary I totally agree with the sentiment. People getting into tricky situation or possibly getting in over their heads are asking for advice. That's the whole purpose behind the site. Replying with snark and a poor attitude is counterproductive and shines a poor light on the profession as a whole; an ironic situation from a community that prides itself on answering professional questions.&#xA;&#xA;Try mentoring before mocking." CreationDate="2014-04-26T17:30:44.283" UserId="13647" />
  <row Id="12804" PostId="6260" Score="8" Text="I see too many sysadmins who don't have buy-in or good control of their environments. It's hard for me to understand, when so many businesses rely on their IT infrastructure to function. Part of being a pro is knowing how to sell your ideas to people who are less technical than you. *&quot;I don't have the right tools to do my job&quot;* Then make the case to the right people." CreationDate="2014-04-16T15:30:21.663" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="12805" PostId="6260" Score="2" Text="The analogy about a mechanic and IT work do not coincide.  I have the boss that you speak of.  I am not afforded all of the tools I need to do the &quot;right way&quot; but at the end of the day it still has to function.  Our current software package transmits across the network the ENTIRE username/password file, in plain text, when a user logs in.  I explained this technically.  I explained it to him simply, that it is like having your debit card info &amp; PIN number written to your forehead and walking around downtown Manhattan, NY.  He doesn't see it as a problem." CreationDate="2014-04-16T15:38:06.980" UserId="167653" />
  <row Id="12806" PostId="6260" Score="2" Text="@Travis And the mechanic doesn't have to get the car fixed?  He may try, but the business will suffer.  I've been in a situation like that before.  I asked my boss to sign a letter that I had explained the risks of their solution, and that I held no responsibility for any issues that came out of it.  If he refused, I would have given notice on the spot.  Instead, we worked on finding a better solution that didn't leave us doing silly things like that.  Refusing to implement solutions that will eventually destroy the company you are working for is part of being a professional in my book." CreationDate="2014-04-16T15:42:07.157" UserId="108667" />
  <row Id="12807" PostId="6260" Score="8" Text="Don't get me wrong. I'm in no way defending the &quot;endless loop&quot; question, its asker, or it's asker's boss. I'm just saying &quot;get a new job&quot; doesn't educate the OP as to why the situation is so terrible or what he can do to help improve it." CreationDate="2014-04-16T16:18:46.830" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12815" PostId="6260" Score="0" Text="I just read the “endless loop” question &amp; am not too sure about the hostility. I have rolled my own Bash scripts to handle tasks that off the shelf software could have done… But only when cost is prohibitive or it wasn’t that bad to handle in a BASH script to provide a proof of concept to a higher-up. Many times I negotiate what I will code &amp; state, “Okay, this is the best I can do at this time. If this isn’t good enough a more robust solution needs to be found. But I am not willing to program this forever.” Reality is that is the workplace in many cases &amp; there is just so much anyone can do." CreationDate="2014-04-16T19:40:45.823" UserId="100013" />
  <row Id="12816" PostId="6260" Score="2" Text="@jakegould true.  but DFS is built into the OS, so no extra licensing costs, and already well tested to handle edge cases, race conditions, and network interruptions." CreationDate="2014-04-16T19:47:11.687" UserId="108667" />
  <row Id="12832" PostId="6260" Score="0" Text="@Grant Tangibility is the reason the analogy doesn't work.  The owner of my company bought a new car.  When asked about it he said his old one was getting to 100k miles and starting to have problems.  It was a $35k car.  He bought an $80k Lexus this time.  Our ERP system is older than his car.  He spent $100k on it.  It has tons of problems and breaks constantly.  He won't spend the $400k (software+install) for a new one because he wants to keep patching this.  Why didn't he just patch his 100k mile car?  It's cheaper.  This is why the mechanic analogy doesn't work.  He does not see the it." CreationDate="2014-04-17T12:15:51.897" UserId="167653" />
  <row Id="12834" PostId="6261" Score="0" Text="This makes perfect sense.  Thank you." CreationDate="2014-04-17T14:37:51.027" UserId="31784" />
  <row Id="12809" PostId="6262" Score="1" Text="Why does getting a new job &quot;suck?&quot;  I guess I don't understand this attitude... if your current job/boss/environment is bad, why is moving to a better one seen as a bad thing, or sucky, or whatever? Seems to me that if the current work situation is bad, staying would be the sucky option, and leaving for something better would be the only unsucky option.  *&lt;shrug&gt;*" CreationDate="2014-04-16T17:04:45.053" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12810" PostId="6262" Score="8" Text="@HopelessN00b Unfortunately the job market still isn't that great, and most folks aren't independently wealthy enough to just quit a job that sucks without reasonable prospects lined up. Job hunting sucks (perhaps you enjoy it, but you'd be the only one I know who does), and for junior admins it's a nontrivial task -- would YOU hire some of the junior-types posting on SF these days if they suddenly landed on your desk?" CreationDate="2014-04-16T17:07:38.193" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12811" PostId="6262" Score="7" Text="You can't make an informed comment that tells someone to get a job. You don't know their financial situation, the job market in their region, their current pay vs. competitor pay, how many children they provide for, or any number of other non-technical things that factor in to where you are employed. What you *can* make an informed comment on is the technology they're using, why they should or shouldn't use it, and why you think that. The former is a waste of time and potentially insulting. The latter is helpful. Or just cast a downvote and move on." CreationDate="2014-04-16T17:22:44.870" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12812" PostId="6262" Score="3" Text="What really saddens me from this response is the &quot;stupidity&quot; labeling. It's answers like these, not bad advice, that make this site look bad." CreationDate="2014-04-16T18:33:26.537" UserId="201725" />
  <row Id="12813" PostId="6262" Score="10" Text="@sgorozco What saddens me is that we've reached the point where calling an idea &quot;stupid&quot; is considered offensive.  I have stupid ideas all the time.  I expect people to call me on them.  Making some shell scripts to emulate DFS *is* a stupid idea. Because there are lots of better ways." CreationDate="2014-04-16T19:01:08.540" UserId="108667" />
  <row Id="12814" PostId="6262" Score="2" Text="@HopelessN00b Not only does the job market suck, but server administration work is basically invisible work based on trust. And there are a lot of clowns out there overstating their skills &amp; taking gigs. Not to mention most companies actually do not want to admit they have issues. So you have to basically wait like a hawk, check listing constantly &amp; then maybe—just maybe—you will end up in a job you can deal with. But more often than not the best jobs in this field comes from word of mouth. And that doesn’t happen overnight." CreationDate="2014-04-16T19:34:07.957" UserId="100013" />
  <row Id="12817" PostId="6262" Score="4" Text="@sgorozco I'm sorry, I'm not paid enough to mince words. If you would like to constructively suggest an alternate phrasing I'd be happy to listen, if you just want to whinge about my word choice: [english.SE]" CreationDate="2014-04-16T20:40:12.390" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12818" PostId="6262" Score="0" Text="@Grant, I concur with your thought, although please try to be sensible to the fact that what may be considered offensive is deeply tied to the cultural background of people. I'm from Mexico, and calling someone's idea &quot;stupid&quot; is considered plainly rude and you may easily end with one black eye. Other cultures such as Chinese deeply value the concept of &quot;saving face&quot;, where you choose your wording in such a way that the person receiving advice won't feel diminished." CreationDate="2014-04-17T00:51:19.753" UserId="201725" />
  <row Id="12819" PostId="6262" Score="1" Text="@sgorozco if we tried to honor the social graces of every culture, we wouldn't be able to speak at all.  Then again, not speaking probably also offends someone.  In the culture of *this site* we call things what they are." CreationDate="2014-04-17T01:21:54.797" UserId="108667" />
  <row Id="12820" PostId="6262" Score="1" Text="I think you two are going off on a tangent here. This wasn't about the quality of the question - it's clearly poor. It's about the recommendation to `get a new job` that's been popping up more and more in the comments." CreationDate="2014-04-17T01:44:06.863" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="12821" PostId="6262" Score="0" Text="This should be a canonical Q&amp;A - What is the correct response to someone asking how to do something stupid?  And the emphasis on dealing with Willful Stupidity should be that it's off-topic here.  Maybe dealing with the organizational stupidity should be on Workplace.SE, but certainly SF isn't the right place.  OTOH, comments along the lines of &quot;get a new job&quot; are useless in dealing with organizational stupidity - just noise, because you can't slap a blanket solution on all types of stupidity." CreationDate="2014-04-17T03:18:12.593" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="12824" PostId="6262" Score="0" Text="@Ward I want to say we already have something about that (the one where my answer was &quot;Sometimes **NO** is the answer - deal with it.&quot;) but I don't recall the title off-hand..." CreationDate="2014-04-17T03:25:52.570" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12831" PostId="6262" Score="0" Text="At the risk of being annoying *and* dating myself, ;)  I've been told my entire life that I was in the first generation of Americans that would do worse than their parents, that I was doomed to a life of poorly paid temp jobs, etc.  This has not been true.  It's my opinion--worth what you paid for it--that everyone will always tell you you can't get another job, and that there's *always* another job.  IT seems to suck a lot less than people make out compared to libraries and teaching college, so maybe my basis of comparison makes me overly optimistic." CreationDate="2014-04-17T11:52:59.067" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="12833" PostId="6262" Score="1" Text="On the &quot;Powershell Assistance for AD&quot; I simply weeded through to try and get the heart of what the OP needed.  I posted an alternative in my answer, as @MDMarra points out as an option.  My final comment wasn't bashing, it was stating that before the OP goes and disables thousands of accounts at least explain to mgmt what is about to happen and why.  I feel that's pretty fair and hopefully my answer isn't what is being discussed in this &quot;thread&quot;." CreationDate="2014-04-17T13:03:53.757" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12839" PostId="6262" Score="0" Text="I think &quot;get a new Job&quot; is in very few situations a &quot;good recommendation&quot;. There are always new Starters, and People who just might have a bad day with the Problem they try to solve. It's not our place to judge that. We Should tell People that what they want to do is stupid, because of xxx, yyy, zzz." CreationDate="2014-04-17T19:53:22.537" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="12901" PostId="6262" Score="0" Text="@MichelZ The problem with that comes from telling someone their idea is horrible and stupid because of xxx, yyy, zzz, and then having them come back with &quot;my boss makes us write scripts batch instead of using built-in OS functionality because [no reason].&quot; (As actually happened in one of those questions, bear in mind.) Well, what can you say to that **except** for &quot;you need a new job?&quot;  [&quot;Here's a neat thread over at chemistry.SE with some helpful advice on dissolving bodies in acid you might want to read and try out on your boss?&quot;](http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/q/4877)" CreationDate="2014-04-22T08:07:59.483" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12902" PostId="6262" Score="0" Text="Maybe just say: I'm sorry, then I can't help you. And move on..." CreationDate="2014-04-22T08:11:09.000" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="12835" PostId="6263" Score="4" Text="Actually this is already in place on SF and has been for quite a while." CreationDate="2014-04-17T19:04:07.467" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12836" PostId="6263" Score="1" Text="15 minutes is probably *too short*, if anything, given the SE ideal of letting the best answers float to the top via voting." CreationDate="2014-04-17T19:06:35.840" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12837" PostId="6263" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton - really?  I was racking my brain trying to think if it was or not without posting a &quot;test&quot; question.  I was thinking that there were times when someone would post a Question, someone would answer within 2-3 minutes, and the OP would say &quot;thanks!&quot; and check the answer as done." CreationDate="2014-04-17T19:16:01.250" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12838" PostId="6263" Score="0" Text="`I was racking my brain trying to think if it was or not without posting a &quot;test&quot; question.` - A test question/answer from you would have different results from a new/low rep user.  I am almost certain high rep-users can accept a lot sooner.  I don't know the exact thresholds/times." CreationDate="2014-04-17T19:35:12.623" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="12840" PostId="6264" Score="1" Text="I often wait a day or two before accepting an answer anyway, even if I immediately got a good answer that solved the problem, just in case something better comes along." CreationDate="2014-04-17T21:02:46.320" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12845" PostId="6264" Score="0" Text="Exactly. The reason why I like the StackExchange sites is there is a truly great balance of heuristics here that allows anyone to post, but ensures that virtually any cruft has a mechanism to shoo it away." CreationDate="2014-04-18T03:49:04.833" UserId="100013" />
  <row Id="12900" PostId="6264" Score="0" Text="A 1-rep user was just able to accept my answer in _two hours_. No idea if he'd tried prior to that." CreationDate="2014-04-22T03:32:47.227" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="12859" PostId="6267" Score="1" Text="I'm far too lazy to dig it out, somewhere there's either a blog post or a meta Q&amp;A where Jeff Atwood (co-founder of SE) says that &quot;stealing&quot; an answer from comments and posting it as an answer is not only allowed, it's encouraged." CreationDate="2014-04-19T17:42:45.650" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="12860" PostId="6267" Score="0" Text="Yes, I did find that one. But I'd still like to appoint rep points to the original author...  would just be fair :)" CreationDate="2014-04-19T17:44:04.667" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="12861" PostId="6267" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/117251/what-to-do-with-questions-that-have-been-self-resolved-as-a-comment-instead-of-a" CreationDate="2014-04-19T18:15:09.980" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12865" PostId="6268" Score="1" Text="*&gt; it is not considered a good, on-topic question for this site, so please do not use it as evidence that you can ask similar questions here* Probably just close the new one." CreationDate="2014-04-20T03:36:26.953" UserId="174582" />
  <row Id="12868" PostId="6269" Score="0" Text="**TL:DR** Some questions are traffic magnets, traffic pays the bills, keeps the doors open for the community." CreationDate="2014-04-21T13:47:08.697" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12871" PostId="6269" Score="2" Text="@ChrisS well that's the important half of it. The other half (not breaking people's links &amp; not gathering answers that will sit at 0 score unseen forever) is just about being a good net citizen :)" CreationDate="2014-04-21T16:20:46.627" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12928" PostId="6269" Score="0" Text="&quot;[and I don't think anyone has asked it yet](http://serverfault.com/q/394393/50647)&quot; I was half expecting you to have an answer there. :D" CreationDate="2014-04-29T20:11:58.787" UserId="50647" />
  <row Id="12869" PostId="6270" Score="0" Text="It has the &quot;wrong&quot; avatar?  What would the right avatar be?" CreationDate="2014-04-21T13:50:53.357" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12961" PostId="6270" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork It had. &quot;It was completed while on MSE: meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/230044/2 &quot;" CreationDate="2014-05-04T21:55:02.457" UserId="218574" />
  <row Id="12870" PostId="6271" Score="3" Text="It was completed while on MSE: http://meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/230044/2" CreationDate="2014-04-21T13:59:32.733" UserId="149840" />
  <row Id="12874" PostId="6272" Score="6" Text="The rule he cited is pretty clear- if you're not the admin and aren't making decisions about things like what version of the OS you use to accomplish your goals, then you aren't going to be able to use the answers you get here." CreationDate="2014-04-21T18:46:22.447" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="12876" PostId="6272" Score="0" Text="What's the threshold for professional? Fedora 15? 16?" CreationDate="2014-04-21T18:53:56.260" UserId="15804" />
  <row Id="12879" PostId="6272" Score="2" Text="Yes, there is a process.  Unfortunately for you, the mod in question wasn't abusing his privileges, so that process isn't really applicable." CreationDate="2014-04-21T18:56:21.257" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12880" PostId="6272" Score="0" Text="@AlexReynolds The threshold for professional has less to do with the OS in question (Although that is a part of the equation) and more to do with your job role and training. If you don't have admin powers over the system in question, you're not a professional in this topic domain. Even a sysadmin who is otherwise a professional cannot ask a question about a system that he/she does not have admin powers over because, in the context of that situation, he is not a professional. Professional sysadmins have full admin rights and thus can be offered professional solutions, not workarounds." CreationDate="2014-04-21T18:57:55.733" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="12883" PostId="6272" Score="0" Text="@AlexReynolds The question was not appropriate for the site as per our FAQ and stated mission. It was locked as a result of that. Even if your question **did** garner an answer, it was completely outside the stated scope of ServerFault anyway." CreationDate="2014-04-21T19:00:14.493" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="12884" PostId="6272" Score="0" Text="Only one person here could have known the intentions of the moderator involved in this situation. Please stop speculating. If a user is being rude please Flag the post. If a moderator is out of line there is a contact button at the bottom of every page. *If this degrades into lashing-out again I'll lock it permanently*" CreationDate="2014-04-21T19:09:44.483" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="12886" PostId="6272" Score="0" Text="@AlexReynolds Re: &quot;The threshold for professional&quot;, please refer to http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4111/what-is-a-professional-capacity and http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5475/why-professional-capacity for clarification." CreationDate="2014-04-21T19:33:14.063" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12875" PostId="6273" Score="11" Text="`&quot;I'm sorry, but that question is not a perfectly fine question for this site.&quot;` Quoted for truth." CreationDate="2014-04-21T18:48:44.560" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="12878" PostId="6274" Score="0" Text="I also stated this in the comments, and I only added this to the question after the fact to make this aspect clearer, per request." CreationDate="2014-04-21T18:55:05.473" UserId="15804" />
  <row Id="12887" PostId="6276" Score="2" Text="`but most of us haven't been in a similar situation...` - rather `have` been, right?" CreationDate="2014-04-21T19:39:23.910" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="12891" PostId="6276" Score="13" Text="Maybe we are (not sure I agree with you), but what's the alternative?  VTC/VTD without comment, and... end up with butt-hurt and whining on meta because someone doesn't know why all the mean ServerFault mods closed his perfectly valid question about what suddenly broke his Windows XP VM that's a WAMP  webserver, which he manages with Plesk and has been running inside Virtualbox on a Pentium III with Ubunto 7.10 which has been working perfectly fine for years and is URGENT HE GETS FREE HALP WITH IT NOW OR THE INTERWEBS WILL EXPLODE!!!!!!!111" CreationDate="2014-04-21T20:01:45.347" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12892" PostId="6276" Score="1" Text="Just to clarify- the version of OS he probably actually wants to be running wouldn't need to have this workaround. It would work out of the box. The reason he can't run that is because the person who runs the hypervisor is &quot;too professional&quot; to help." CreationDate="2014-04-21T20:04:07.923" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="12894" PostId="6276" Score="6" Text="+1 for the `doomed` tag." CreationDate="2014-04-21T20:06:46.993" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12897" PostId="6276" Score="4" Text="@Basil The OP using the term &quot;professional&quot; as a slur (meaning lazy, hidebound, or incompetent - take your pick) IMHO speaks volumes about *their* professionalism (or at least their respect for the profession of System Administration). A truly *professional* administrator would not have allowed the hypervisor/host to get *three years behind mainline support*. But that's [a different question](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4111/what-is-a-professional-capacity) which we've already conclusively answered :-)" CreationDate="2014-04-21T22:15:30.407" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12903" PostId="6276" Score="1" Text="It's too bad it got removed. My answer would help a lot of people." CreationDate="2014-04-22T12:00:08.650" UserId="26514" />
  <row Id="12911" PostId="6276" Score="2" Text="While I appreciate your overall sentiment, I think that question is a poor example of anything except a badly written, off-topic question. And there's certainly a point at which all sensible answers are boxed off by limitations imposed by the environment that, if we remove the ability to say &quot;that's not a professional environment&quot;, just points us down the old &quot;Closed - too localised&quot; road instead." CreationDate="2014-04-23T07:44:14.640" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="12893" PostId="6278" Score="5" Text="The problem I suspect this poor person is running into is that the &quot;supported upgrade paths&quot; for RH and Fedora are pretty sucky (&quot;Reinstall the box&quot;) -- I can certainly understand running old versions of Fedora because of that, but it shows poor planning on the admin's part that we're talking about something 2-years-dead still being in production." CreationDate="2014-04-21T20:06:01.663" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12904" PostId="6278" Score="2" Text="@voretaq7: We also don't know what applications or custom applications are running on the box. It could be to the OP's original detriment that he has no control over this at the moment. If the custom application only links to a certain version of gcc, for instance, then he may not be able to go to the latest." CreationDate="2014-04-22T12:01:50.847" UserId="26514" />
  <row Id="12906" PostId="6278" Score="2" Text="And this is why if you're a professional, you should know that Fedora is not a good platform to use for production. IF he was running RHEL, CENTOS, or Scientific Linux, he'd still be in a supported product at least. And when you have a 5-10 year cycle, &quot;reinstall the box&quot; is probably a good idea to clean out cruft and modernize everything anyway. Is it the easiest? No. But it's very likely a very good idea at that point." CreationDate="2014-04-22T15:51:33.207" UserId="197769" />
  <row Id="12909" PostId="6278" Score="1" Text="@jmp242: Again, he is an admin but he does not control what OS is involved. Basically, we are barking up the wrong tree." CreationDate="2014-04-22T16:33:23.587" UserId="26514" />
  <row Id="12919" PostId="6278" Score="0" Text="@staticx What's the correct answer then? &quot;Tell your manager that you need a new OS?&quot; Just because my company does not allow me to update NT4 to Windows 2012 does not mean we have to &quot;support&quot; it here.. ?" CreationDate="2014-04-24T07:50:46.427" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="12920" PostId="6278" Score="0" Text="@MichelZ: nowhere in the ServerFault charter does it specify OS. Other than the OP not mentioning in thr beginning that he doesnt control the OS which he later clarified, nothing else warranted the rudeness and offensiveness by the Mod" CreationDate="2014-04-24T10:20:50.717" UserId="26514" />
  <row Id="12895" PostId="6279" Score="25" Text="I would additionally point out that ***DOWNVOTING these questions is NOT APPROPRIATE.*** The main site is NOT Meta - we do not downvote questions because we disagree with what's being asked. The question here shows an understanding of the problem (&quot;I need a newer Apache than what's provided by my vendor&quot;), and an appropriate level of research, and would be useful to *anyone who needs a newer version of Apache than their vendor provides*, even people running *supported* software releases. Burying the guy in downvotes is neither helpful nor educational - it just makes us look like dicks." CreationDate="2014-04-21T20:20:05.893" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12896" PostId="6279" Score="3" Text="The *pile-on* downvoting is not appropriate (and the quantity of votes indicates a pile-on), but if someone honestly believes compiling Apache isn't a useful way to go, then a downvote is fair." CreationDate="2014-04-21T20:36:27.417" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="12898" PostId="6279" Score="1" Text="Voretaq- regarding your comment above...I think in this particular case the question falls into your words here: http://meta.serverfault.com/a/5933/7861 -- `I'm not sure how I feel about this as a moderator (Mod Hat On it's really NOT what downvotes are for Mod Hat Off), but as a professional if someone is going to take up our time and expect us to give them free advice they should state their problem and listen to our solutions without imposing insane restrictions. ` - where @Ward got 25 upvotes for stating &quot;vote down questions you don't think are good&quot; -- so I think we need clarity." CreationDate="2014-04-22T00:36:56.413" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="12899" PostId="6279" Score="0" Text="@thecleaner Both viewpoints are equally valid :-) I'm not a fan of the &quot;pile-on downvote&quot; mentality - a LART is generally not a good teaching tool, it will just lead to people shrieking here on Meta that we're elitist and mean. The restrictions here aren't insane, though the BEST answer is probably &quot;find a new hosting provider&quot;..." CreationDate="2014-04-22T00:55:36.837" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12910" PostId="6279" Score="3" Text="Hah. When I left job[-2] 18 months ago, they were still running FC7 as a public-facing web server. I had no control over that either, as the Devs weren't interested in upgrading or migrating. I had to keep it running but had no choice but to leave that steaming pile right there since the Devs never bothered to document an install process that anyone else could use." CreationDate="2014-04-22T16:46:31.363" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="12905" PostId="6280" Score="0" Text="&quot;thief business&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-04-22T14:44:31.940" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="12927" PostId="6280" Score="2" Text="Well said. The fact that this *isn't* the most highly voted answer in this question speaks volumes about the community here." CreationDate="2014-04-28T23:08:40.243" UserId="44441" />
  <row Id="12962" PostId="6280" Score="0" Text="It does raise a lot of questions doesn't it?" CreationDate="2014-05-06T03:19:47.037" UserId="1674" />
  <row Id="12907" PostId="6281" Score="1" Text="F14 has had no updates/backports for 2 or more years it likely has a number of unpatched security vulnerabilites. The OP stated that they were trying to fix a bug in their application by updating httpd. Updating something that far out of support seems like the wrong thing to do really." CreationDate="2014-04-22T16:01:59.957" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12908" PostId="6281" Score="2" Text="@lain: That's really a side issue. The real issue is that he wanted to know how to properly setup and build a custom build of httpd. Answer was provided." CreationDate="2014-04-22T16:32:26.310" UserId="26514" />
  <row Id="12913" PostId="6281" Score="2" Text="`OP was downvoted heavily for no good reason only because he posted it on Meta and got extra attention.`  Well, no, that's the reason.  He asked a question the community felt was &quot;bad,&quot; so it got downvoted.  He then drew more attention to it, by posting about it on Meta, so it got more downvotes.  **That's your reason.  He drew more attention to a bad question, so it got more downvotes.**  That's just the way it works with this type of site (with community voting), and it cuts both way.  Draw attention to a good post, and it tends to attract upvotes in the same way, for the same reason." CreationDate="2014-04-23T17:16:34.193" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12914" PostId="6281" Score="3" Text="@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork: It's retaliatory, no matter how you slice it. Good or bad, it doesn't make it right by posting on Meta. For a site that is full of professionals, sometimes it sure seems pretty unprofessional." CreationDate="2014-04-23T17:48:11.967" UserId="26514" />
  <row Id="12915" PostId="6281" Score="1" Text="@staticx How is it *possibly* even remotely &quot;retaliatory&quot; by any reasonable definition of the word? It's math.  Many people dislike mathematics, but this is the first time I've seen anyone claim &quot;math&quot; is retaliatory." CreationDate="2014-04-23T17:58:09.843" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="12916" PostId="6281" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork: I know you are being glib, but this has nothing to do with math. Downvoting is based on quality. Nothing in that post was of poor quality. Comments are for clarification, which he provided. Now, tell me how he got 5 downvotes or more besides it bringing a bunch of attention because he complained on Meta. You really can't come up with a good answer because not only did no one else comment on &quot;how the post can be improved&quot;, it was done out of spite." CreationDate="2014-04-23T18:21:05.820" UserId="26514" />
  <row Id="12918" PostId="6281" Score="2" Text="This is pointless." CreationDate="2014-04-23T18:45:19.697" UserId="26514" />
  <row Id="12926" PostId="6281" Score="0" Text="I think you'll find that Q&amp;A that gets attention garners more votes. This was even noted on a recent podcast." CreationDate="2014-04-27T21:02:31.293" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12912" PostId="6283" Score="0" Text="Your response is much appreciated. Since both accounts are on serverfault.com, I had to use [http://serverfault.com/contact](http://serverfault.com/contact)." CreationDate="2014-04-23T15:39:50.967" UserId="216124" />
  <row Id="12959" PostId="6287" Score="1" Text="I have purged entirely too many abusive comments from this post. Comments are now locked for 24 hours. If I have to purge more comments when the lock expires suspensions will be issued, so I suggest ***EVERYONE*** keep it civil." CreationDate="2014-05-02T23:03:03.833" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="12939" PostId="6288" Score="0" Text="How is asking about features of storage sub-systems off topic or abusive?" CreationDate="2014-05-02T22:06:24.130" UserId="192009" />
  <row Id="12946" PostId="6288" Score="5" Text="It's off topic for two reasons, in my opinion. First, as @Iain commented, it's shopping. Second, the only true answer in the context of professional systems administration is that you shouldn't do what you're trying to do. There may be a more accurate answer without that context, but that's the context for serverfault." CreationDate="2014-05-02T22:14:06.960" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="12949" PostId="6288" Score="0" Text="@Basil The blog about shopping post says the former question is unacceptable because it &quot;provides the path of least resistance: a laundry list of products I can buy without thinking about it too much&quot;. The features I listed a very obscure and were incapable of providing a laundry list. The very fact that no one was able of offering single RAID controller which did further proves my point." CreationDate="2014-05-02T22:25:42.100" UserId="192009" />
  <row Id="12950" PostId="6288" Score="0" Text="You could ask a question on meta reopening the debate- either get the policy changed or at least better explained..." CreationDate="2014-05-02T22:34:55.817" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="12953" PostId="6288" Score="0" Text="The policy was explained in the blog post. It says they aren't allowed because it could cause a &quot;laundry list&quot; of answer. As it was proven by myself and other commentators in the question, this was a very obscure feature that few if any vendors would support, and as such was inherently incapable of qualifying as being off topic for that reason." CreationDate="2014-05-02T22:44:13.540" UserId="192009" />
  <row Id="12948" PostId="6289" Score="0" Text="The blog post says the former is unacceptable because it &quot;provides the path of least resistance: a laundry list of products I can buy without thinking about it too much&quot;. The features I listed are very obscure and were could not qualify has having a laundry list of answers. The very fact that no one was able of offering single RAID controller which had those features further proves my point." CreationDate="2014-05-02T22:25:02.463" UserId="192009" />
  <row Id="12951" PostId="6289" Score="0" Text="@mattburnett Irrelevant. I amended my answer." CreationDate="2014-05-02T22:36:30.433" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="12952" PostId="6289" Score="0" Text="@mattburnett if we allow you admittedly pretty unanswerable shopping question someone will use it as a reason to allow their shopping question - [Broken Windows](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory)" CreationDate="2014-05-02T22:40:39.783" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12954" PostId="6289" Score="0" Text="@Iain, it was not unanswerable, in fact one person provided a answer to half of my question. My bounty was not removed until I had said that I would award it to him. Presumably as a vindictive act." CreationDate="2014-05-02T22:45:29.890" UserId="192009" />
  <row Id="12955" PostId="6289" Score="0" Text="@Wesley, to address your edit the blog post explicitly states that shopping lists are acceptable in certain circumstances. It says they are not acceptable when they could provide a laundry list, but are when I &quot;ask us what you need to learn to tell what you should buy.&quot; Since these features are generally not advertised such as Seagate's Verify On Write setting, asking which few vendors do support them does certainly qualify as being acceptable according to the blog entry." CreationDate="2014-05-02T22:50:55.827" UserId="192009" />
  <row Id="12956" PostId="6289" Score="5" Text="@mattburnett Nope. You're still not getting it. Your question can only be answered with a product recommendation. It doesn't matter how obscure something is, if the features are not advertised, or if only a smattering of vendors offer it. `&quot;asking which few vendors do support them does certainly qualify as being acceptable according to the blog entry&quot;` No, no it doesn't, and the blog post clearly explains that." CreationDate="2014-05-02T22:52:49.923" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="12957" PostId="6289" Score="0" Text="You clearly did not read the blog article. It says they are not recommended when they can provide a &quot;laundry list&quot; of results or when they are only valid for a very specific point in time. Considering that Seagate disks have supported this feature for a very long time would not qualify as either a laundry list or a very specific point in time. Please explain specifically how it the blog post says it is not allowed." CreationDate="2014-05-02T22:58:15.527" UserId="192009" />
  <row Id="12960" PostId="6289" Score="5" Text="As I am known not be a fan of your question, I hesitate to get involved in this discussion.  But I think it fair to say that I'm pretty sure that Wesley has indeed read that blog article, and I'll bet more than once.  The way SF is set up, you have a perfect right to make the argument you are doing (and I'm pleased to see you doing so, because it helps clarify whether things done with privilege were also done with broader community support) - but *please* try to avoid *ad hominem* attacks while doing so." CreationDate="2014-05-04T06:05:22.820" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12963" PostId="6291" Score="6" Text="I'm not convinced that people in our target audience should be asking such basic questions and react appropriately." CreationDate="2014-05-06T08:28:14.833" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12972" PostId="6291" Score="10" Text="@Iain and OP: Can't professional sysadmins still be green in some areas? I agree that basic research should still be done, but when making the jump from one technology to the next, questions some consider basic may be a necessity, especially if an admin was trying to *do research* by asking the question." CreationDate="2014-05-06T11:42:11.310" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="12973" PostId="6291" Score="5" Text="@BigHomie: I believe I can spot the difference between someone in that position and the truly clueless that we mostly attract. As such I am comfortable with my position and voting record." CreationDate="2014-05-06T11:56:28.057" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12983" PostId="6291" Score="1" Text="Notwithstanding the many and varied answers - good question, Falcon!" CreationDate="2014-05-07T05:10:24.477" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13036" PostId="6291" Score="2" Text="I have contributed to and been helped by this site, I would hate for it to get a negative reputation because of a few arrogant or impatient individuals." CreationDate="2014-05-14T20:21:24.313" UserId="111005" />
  <row Id="13082" PostId="6291" Score="0" Text="Punish?  Wow, it really takes a certain kind of &quot;sysadmin&quot; to fit in at this site, doesn't it?" CreationDate="2014-05-21T02:45:08.887" UserId="212978" />
  <row Id="13085" PostId="6291" Score="1" Text="I asked &quot;Should we&quot; for a reason." CreationDate="2014-05-21T02:55:50.703" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="12964" PostId="6292" Score="1" Text="Not sure about the downvote, but definitely agree to close it." CreationDate="2014-05-06T08:41:00.207" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="13062" PostId="6292" Score="0" Text="Oh, this little Server Fault! You closed [my question](http://serverfault.com/questions/593554/error-500-while-instaling-php-5-5-12-in-windows-server-2003-with-plesk-9-5) with a generic message of &quot;Not Proffessional&quot;, and i still can't imagine why. This don't help people (me or future people searching in the net) nor Server Fault. If someone thinks something is bad, i think he should downvote." CreationDate="2014-05-16T20:00:51.647" UserId="218854" />
  <row Id="13063" PostId="6292" Score="0" Text="@tomasofen Well, lucky you... you did get what you wanted, after all. I downvoted your question in addition to voting to close it." CreationDate="2014-05-16T20:27:37.963" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13064" PostId="6292" Score="0" Text="@tomasofen You're using Plesk and PHP on a windows server 4+ OS revisions out of date." CreationDate="2014-05-16T20:33:09.887" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="13065" PostId="6292" Score="0" Text="Stay patroling, Robocop. You know... to protect and &quot;server&quot;..." CreationDate="2014-05-16T20:33:38.530" UserId="218854" />
  <row Id="13066" PostId="6292" Score="0" Text="@Jacob Yes, Jacob, i know. Not all clients can afford the latest tecnologies nor migrate a full server, specially in the middle of an economic recesion. Yes, sometimes professionales must deal with problems, like Pulp Fictions's Mr Lobo." CreationDate="2014-05-16T20:36:14.767" UserId="218854" />
  <row Id="13067" PostId="6292" Score="0" Text="@tomasofen I'd consider PHP on windows to be unprofessional to start with honestly." CreationDate="2014-05-16T20:37:18.900" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="13068" PostId="6292" Score="1" Text="Sorry, Jacob, but absolutelly NOT." CreationDate="2014-05-16T20:38:12.150" UserId="218854" />
  <row Id="13069" PostId="6292" Score="1" Text="@Jacob PHP on Windows is perfectly fine. Web control panels (an old version, no less) on ancient versions of Windows, running old versions of PHP... not so much." CreationDate="2014-05-17T16:52:03.517" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13071" PostId="6292" Score="0" Text="@Hopeless You are NOT right. Web control panel is not related at all with PHP on Windows nor with my question. W2003 with PHP 5.2 beeing an ancient system is not the point (Jakob is 18 so perhaps he can think so, but you??). Anyway, beeing ancient doesn't mean be less professional. But the point is that you close my question as not professional, when it is related with upgrading the system! If you don't like the system of my client, that's ok. Don't answer the question, or downvote it, but let other people think diferent than you and help people. By the way, this should be in my post not here." CreationDate="2014-05-18T03:48:44.033" UserId="218854" />
  <row Id="12965" PostId="6293" Score="4" Text="I might not have known it, but Wikipedia (minimal research effort) would tell me this in no time" CreationDate="2014-05-06T08:56:16.900" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="12966" PostId="6293" Score="1" Text="If someone were bothered to look we probably do have a question that outlines the fundamentals of DHCP already. However, as is too often he case few people who ask questions bother to research either on the wider internet or on SF.The rest is history and a river of shit." CreationDate="2014-05-06T09:00:08.260" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12967" PostId="6293" Score="3" Text="@MichelZ - and Server Fault could have had a canonical answer to supplement it, but now it doesn't. Now it has the equivalent of a head on a pike at the town entrance." CreationDate="2014-05-06T09:13:07.747" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="12968" PostId="6293" Score="1" Text="We have lots of heads on pikes, they don't stop people throwing themselves at the walls. Similarly we have lots of (canonical) questions that just never get read because people don't do their own research or read." CreationDate="2014-05-06T09:28:36.357" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12969" PostId="6293" Score="5" Text="That doesn't change the fact that you don't close a question just because *you* think it's too simple" CreationDate="2014-05-06T09:32:13.010" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="12970" PostId="6293" Score="3" Text="Additionally, just because it's a bad question, doesn't mean that it has a bad answer" CreationDate="2014-05-06T09:40:59.740" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="12971" PostId="6293" Score="0" Text="What then is (your interpretation of) the purpose of the minimal understanding close reason ?" CreationDate="2014-05-06T09:42:33.067" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12974" PostId="6293" Score="1" Text="Pick a topic that's in your area of expertise, think of the simplest possible question, and decide whether you'd close it as &quot;you haven't researched this, go ask Google / read some books&quot;." CreationDate="2014-05-06T13:48:28.767" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="12975" PostId="6293" Score="2" Text="@Iain I don't like that close reason. I never have. I don't like it, because I think it is mis-used as an excuse for people to close things that they don't like without really having to justify why. There are a handful of times I've thought it's appropriate, but that's all." CreationDate="2014-05-06T16:25:26.187" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="12979" PostId="6293" Score="3" Text="@markhenderson I find myself using that close reason a lot...I interpret it as a slightly nicer way of saying &quot;you didn't even TRY to google this, did you?&quot;" CreationDate="2014-05-06T20:51:06.520" UserId="108667" />
  <row Id="12980" PostId="6293" Score="5" Text="@Grant - I know we've had this discussion before but I'm too tired right now to look for it. Just because something is easily googlable is not a reason to close it. We would prefer that when users google for easy things, they end up *here*, rather than on some random unverifiable blog." CreationDate="2014-05-06T21:25:48.140" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="12981" PostId="6293" Score="0" Text="@markhenderson good point." CreationDate="2014-05-06T21:36:25.470" UserId="108667" />
  <row Id="12985" PostId="6293" Score="5" Text="@MarkHenderson Good point indeed. So I should start asking questions like &quot;What is a NIC?&quot; &quot;What is a processor&quot;? &quot;Why do I need a network?&quot; All very basic things... Do we really want to litter SF with stuff like that?" CreationDate="2014-05-07T11:39:39.320" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="12996" PostId="6294" Score="4" Text="After struggling with it on someone's question tonight, I think I've found a succinct and polite way to explain the demark to people. *Asking to have a concept explained to you is fair game. Jumping into the deep end before you know how to swim in the shallows is not.* We're here to solve specific problems, but often times the problem is not the one they're asking us to help them with: understanding the basics." CreationDate="2014-05-08T06:29:47.470" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13023" PostId="6294" Score="0" Text="I think [this](http://serverfault.com/questions/594790/failed-starting-httpd-on-centos-6) is (sadly) just one more excellent example of this problem." CreationDate="2014-05-13T14:19:14.607" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13041" PostId="6294" Score="1" Text="I am of the opinion that when someone googles a super basic question, it's not a bad thing if the top result is an answer here on ServerFault. *A huge portion of the value of stackexchange sites is helping not just the one guy who asked the original question, but the thousands of googlers who found the perfect, edited upvoted answers he got*. Don't lose sight of the bigger picture." CreationDate="2014-05-16T03:37:49.500" UserId="13329" />
  <row Id="13061" PostId="6294" Score="1" Text="My first [question](http://serverfault.com/questions/593554/error-500-while-instaling-php-5-5-12-in-windows-server-2003-with-plesk-9-5) in Server Fault has been closed before someone could ever reply, just becouse someone thought that it was a not proffesional one. I think that if someone takes the time to ask (helping that way to improve the content for search engines, and many times making an effort writing in english not beeing its first language), it should at least be allowed to be replied. I think this sould be a basic netiquete for politeness, and a good thing for SF, as MGOwen says." CreationDate="2014-05-16T19:50:12.040" UserId="218854" />
  <row Id="13072" PostId="6294" Score="0" Text="@MGOwen The bigger picture is that ServerFault is not here for just about anyone who can log into a VPS - this does not make you a Professional System Admin." CreationDate="2014-05-18T09:22:55.740" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12984" PostId="6296" Score="3" Text="s/not to sink/not to sink further/. The history of SF is littered with talented people who could make a great contribution but have walked away because of the poor quality of questions. We are all worse off for this." CreationDate="2014-05-07T05:33:03.877" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12987" PostId="6296" Score="2" Text="There are plenty of questions where the author is clearly out of their depth and needs to either receive a minimum amount of training or hire a professional. *We cannot help these people.* It's one thing to answer a simple, &quot;obvious&quot; question...it's another when it's clear the person you are working with doesn't have any grasp of fundamentals whatsoever and really needs to buy a book." CreationDate="2014-05-07T14:46:57.933" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="12988" PostId="6296" Score="0" Text="And yet another still when you point that out, and [they claim that their question is still valid](http://serverfault.com/questions/593591/tips-on-network-design-for-small-office)." CreationDate="2014-05-07T15:11:57.520" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="12986" PostId="6298" Score="6" Text="Laziness and complacency can be very difficult to overcome." CreationDate="2014-05-07T14:23:42.520" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="12990" PostId="6298" Score="1" Text="Can one really file bugs against developers?" CreationDate="2014-05-08T01:08:02.613" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="12991" PostId="6298" Score="0" Text="Isn't meta.stackexchange.com designed to be a communication between the developers / mainainers?  As for why SE designers don't handle this issue or the other....well true that is not communicated very well...not even a list of the thing being considered and worked on." CreationDate="2014-05-08T04:46:39.467" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="12992" PostId="6298" Score="1" Text="@FalconMomot the feed for tag bug is monitored by the developers." CreationDate="2014-05-08T05:16:21.870" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12993" PostId="6298" Score="0" Text="@Iain I know.  Filing a bug like this is kind of like relating a bug ticket to someone's resource allocation ticket in redmine.  However, you did get an upvote from me." CreationDate="2014-05-08T05:18:09.993" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="12994" PostId="6298" Score="1" Text="@mdpc No, this relates solely to SF and should therefore be raised here on the mSF - why would any non SF users be interested in for example the poor visibility of the links on the main SF site? SE even issued guidance to moderators in the [April Moderator News letter](http://moderator.stackexchange.com/2014/04/april-2014-newsletter/) regarding the relationship between mSE and child metas." CreationDate="2014-05-08T05:23:31.120" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="12995" PostId="6298" Score="0" Text="@Iain -- didn't know about the moderator news letter.  Interesting!" CreationDate="2014-05-08T06:21:53.977" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="12997" PostId="6298" Score="2" Text="@mdpc Community Mods and other SE staff have also stated repeatedly on meta.SE that they monitor the site-specific metas.  So it's not necessary to post to meta.SE even if it's a borderline case (and this is clearly site-specific)" CreationDate="2014-05-08T20:43:06.807" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13000" PostId="6298" Score="0" Text="I'm perhaps confused as to who addresses the SE design issues.  Doesn't SE staff do this for all the SE sites?  or are making SE modifications left to the individual SE sites? how?" CreationDate="2014-05-10T05:38:08.627" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="13003" PostId="6298" Score="0" Text="@Ward Here, for example, is a recent answer by SE valued associate #5 stating that they keep an eye on all metas: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/231250/ability-to-move-questions-to-stackexchange-meta" CreationDate="2014-05-12T04:00:42.127" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13008" PostId="6298" Score="0" Text="@Ward (psst, you're talking to yourself)" CreationDate="2014-05-13T05:32:43.210" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13010" PostId="6298" Score="3" Text="@AndrewB  It's the only way I can be sure that someone's paying attention!" CreationDate="2014-05-13T06:49:24.640" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13011" PostId="6298" Score="0" Text="@Ward I just put it down to your age ;)" CreationDate="2014-05-13T06:50:13.713" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13013" PostId="6298" Score="0" Text="@Ward Kids today!" CreationDate="2014-05-13T06:54:35.997" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13002" PostId="6300" Score="2" Text="What is this I don't even." CreationDate="2014-05-10T21:08:19.480" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="13033" PostId="6301" Score="0" Text="Way to sock it to the problem." CreationDate="2014-05-14T01:53:46.397" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="13006" PostId="6302" Score="1" Text="The question is about to what extent, if at all, we should actively discourage such questions (re. the broken windows theory, and to retain the interest of professional users), and what criteria we might use.  I'm not entirely in disagreement with your criteria but you could probably stand to go a bit deeper than that instead of attacking people for cleaning up." CreationDate="2014-05-13T00:44:16.703" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="13007" PostId="6302" Score="0" Text="@FalconMomot what I see in your question is the commonly found attitude in the open source community of RTFM and only ask if you put in 40 hours trying to figure it out yourself first, to me that approach makes little sense, the opportunity cost of reading but not replying to a basic question is minimal, don't want to answer it then don't answer it, no need to ragedownvote.  I am not an expert, I have certain keywords filtered and answer when I can while ignoring questions which are too hard/easy.  The current system works fine unless people feel like powertripping." CreationDate="2014-05-13T04:38:35.417" UserId="79367" />
  <row Id="13015" PostId="6302" Score="1" Text="I actually expressed the opposite view, if anything, in the question, from that which you attribute to me.  Perhaps there is something to reading before you type?  ;)" CreationDate="2014-05-13T07:59:45.183" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="13037" PostId="6302" Score="1" Text="@FalconMomot good point, I got caught up in my own rage about people who rage about simple questions. +1 comment for you." CreationDate="2014-05-15T06:01:45.933" UserId="79367" />
  <row Id="13004" PostId="6303" Score="1" Text="It's usually helpful to cite the moderation you disagree with when bringing it up on meta. [This](http://serverfault.com/questions/593282/resolving-two-tomcat-instances-to-two-different-directories-with-httpd-conf-and) is the topic in question." CreationDate="2014-05-12T23:46:21.257" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13005" PostId="6303" Score="0" Text="It's not about closing off the Internet.  This particular utility, we like to use because it is for professionals and not full of basic or nonprofessional content.  Superuser exists for that stuff; this is not there." CreationDate="2014-05-13T00:42:34.310" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="13026" PostId="6303" Score="0" Text="Neither of these comments address the issue, @AndrewB I'm discussing this in the global picture, not just one case. If you guys feel that you are above having to deal with loosely defined &quot;nonprofessionals&quot; and you are closing off the site to anyone you deem not fitting that definition, then you are in fact closing off part of the internet. Just because you can't see how a question might be relevant does not make the question irrelevant. Why should this not be a resource for everyone, and if you don't want to answer a basic question then YOU don't answer a basic question." CreationDate="2014-05-13T17:25:56.357" UserId="65960" />
  <row Id="13027" PostId="6303" Score="0" Text="Furthermore those of us who spend most of our day writing code, or doing other work aren't always going to know/have the time to understand what the latest trend on serverfault might be, perhaps serverfault could be understanding that the community as a whole might be more diverse than the power users who spend hundreds of hours on the site." CreationDate="2014-05-13T17:31:26.257" UserId="65960" />
  <row Id="13031" PostId="6303" Score="0" Text="@Fred The subject of &quot;professionalism&quot; has been pretty well decided (we link to [this meta post](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4111) from the [about](http://serverfault.com/about) page which pretty well details our expectations). If you disagree with those expectations you may [open another discussion on the subject](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/ask), but frankly I think our expectations are quite reasonable - There are other SE sites which cater to &quot;enthusiasts&quot;." CreationDate="2014-05-13T19:21:54.397" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13086" PostId="6303" Score="0" Text="We are not &quot;the internet&quot; here. We are a site for professional system administrators. We do not answer questions related to how you download a game on your iPhone, and we do not answer questions about how to shave your beard. We answer questions that relate to professional system administration. This in fact ONLY applies to a VERY SMALL part of the internet. So in this sense you are right, we are &quot;closing off the internet&quot;, and are only open for professional system administrators (which happen to use the internet as well!)" CreationDate="2014-05-21T10:38:14.093" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="13022" PostId="6304" Score="7" Text="If you're going to perform that kind of an edit, you should at least fix the repeated word word typo too." CreationDate="2014-05-13T14:13:04.890" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13025" PostId="6304" Score="0" Text="[related](http://meta.aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/312/why-do-we-allow-smart-quotes-to-be-replaced-with-straight-quotes) ; Also note that some &quot;helpful&quot; browsers may edit the &quot;...&quot; into &quot;…&quot; for you when they sense 3 periods followed by a space." CreationDate="2014-05-13T15:57:33.617" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13090" PostId="6304" Score="0" Text="I gotta say that when I first saw this title, I assumed you were talking about [_the_ Unicode (ab)use post](https://stackoverflow.com/a/1732454/1198896)..." CreationDate="2014-05-22T04:33:22.593" UserId="167999" />
  <row Id="13097" PostId="6304" Score="0" Text="@strugee why would we do that on mSF ?" CreationDate="2014-05-23T18:48:47.707" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13098" PostId="6304" Score="0" Text="@Iain *shrugs*..." CreationDate="2014-05-24T01:49:09.863" UserId="167999" />
  <row Id="13009" PostId="6305" Score="2" Text="You didn't use Unicode quotation marks in your answer!" CreationDate="2014-05-13T06:41:04.580" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="13012" PostId="6305" Score="0" Text="@Andrew Fortunately, we act as a redundant pair! (also, the irony loop is now closed)" CreationDate="2014-05-13T06:51:41.380" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13024" PostId="6305" Score="1" Text="&quot;better&quot; is relative. If you're stuck on a crappy machine that doesn't support unicode having posts festooned with ?s or little boxes is certainly not &quot;better&quot;. Neither is having to manually fix [every quote in a script](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/6308/32986)..." CreationDate="2014-05-13T15:56:28.663" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13016" PostId="6307" Score="1" Text="I tend to feel the same about removing signatures, actually. To my mind, that’s also worth doing only if you’re also doing something else. I think that used to be Jeff Atwood’s policy too, but he later changed his mind and decided that signature removal was valid on its own. I *think*." CreationDate="2014-05-13T09:42:52.527" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="13019" PostId="6307" Score="9" Text="I dispute your `it makes a post easier to read.` Without peering at the edited text quite hard it's difficult to tell the difference. If when reading the text normally a difference isn't perceived then the two texts are the same so your statement cannot be true." CreationDate="2014-05-13T12:16:38.547" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13020" PostId="6307" Score="0" Text="That may depend on your font settings, @Iain. The general consensus among people who care about typography is that curled apostrophes and quotation marks are easier to read." CreationDate="2014-05-13T12:21:08.413" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="13021" PostId="6307" Score="1" Text="Perception is the only reality." CreationDate="2014-05-13T12:22:32.383" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13035" PostId="6307" Score="5" Text="*The general consensus among people who care about typography is that curled apostrophes and quotation marks are easier to read* and in general I agree with them totally. In the specific case of websites that display technical content that can be badly affected by someone 'correcting' quotation marks, etc. I think there's an adequate case for *just say no* because that's easier to enforce than anything more complex and nuanced." CreationDate="2014-05-14T16:58:14.627" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13107" PostId="6307" Score="0" Text="I don't see how &quot;do it in text, but not in code&quot; is particularly nuanced, @RobM. Seems fairly straightforward to me." CreationDate="2014-05-26T11:05:46.523" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="13111" PostId="6307" Score="0" Text="And to me too, because like the majority of people here, we're sensible.&#xA;&#xA;But in any large website group there's a minority of idiots that need to be catered to as well. You can already see on any of the stack exchange sites where a group of people are prepared to invest 10 times as much energy into why something should be allowed to remain broken than they are into just fixing it." CreationDate="2014-05-28T09:17:58.923" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13032" PostId="6308" Score="1" Text="I have this problem with wikis that autoformat quotes into &quot;proper&quot; quotation marks, too." CreationDate="2014-05-14T01:16:15.417" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="13038" PostId="6310" Score="0" Text="*&quot;Under certain constrained circumstances, disabling User Account Control (UAC) on Windows Server can be an acceptable and recommended practice.&quot;* ([MS KB 2626083](http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2526083))- you see that an undifferentiated one-size-fits-all approach *does* have some problems?" CreationDate="2014-05-15T07:29:33.757" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="13039" PostId="6310" Score="1" Text="The thing about best practice is that whilst there should be only one, everyone tends to have their own based on their business needs. We do close blatantly illegal questions and delete similar answers.  We also call out blatantly bad practices, sometimes they get closed, sometimes they get answers with caveats. When all is said and done the site is (meant to be) for professionals and as such you should be able to assess/test etc. any advice that you get here within your own environment. Don't forget also you get what you pay for." CreationDate="2014-05-15T11:50:44.863" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13048" PostId="6311" Score="4" Text="As ChrisS stated, the questions were deleted but count against you. Deleted questions do *not* show on your questions tab; they only show to moderators of the site." CreationDate="2014-05-16T13:56:35.490" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="13052" PostId="6311" Score="4" Text="All of your previous questions have been poorly received, most likely because you failed to read any of the information pertaining to he scope of this site. It's probably a good thing that a the system won't let you ask a new question bit just in case it does please read [about] carefully." CreationDate="2014-05-16T14:01:42.407" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13053" PostId="6311" Score="0" Text="The reason for your not seeing the deleted questions could be here http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/185491/what-is-the-deleted-recent-questions-page-in-the-user-profile" CreationDate="2014-05-16T14:05:35.080" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13054" PostId="6311" Score="0" Text="@Iain: The issue is not up to users, But it's about moderators; The system does not show the deleted questions to the user; And needs clearance. I did not see my questions about one month ago. I though there is a problem with system." CreationDate="2014-05-16T14:06:56.277" UserId="158280" />
  <row Id="13055" PostId="6311" Score="5" Text="Please read the link I provided, there is useful information in it that will help you and here it is again http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/185491/what-is-the-deleted-recent-questions-page-in-the-user-profile" CreationDate="2014-05-16T14:08:29.293" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13044" PostId="6312" Score="0" Text="Thank you, But from where can I find them? they are not [here](http://serverfault.com/users/158280/mohammad-etemaddar?tab=questions)." CreationDate="2014-05-16T13:49:09.240" UserId="158280" />
  <row Id="13045" PostId="6312" Score="0" Text="Do the links provided not work?" CreationDate="2014-05-16T13:50:01.000" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13046" PostId="6312" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your answer, I prefer to ask my question from others." CreationDate="2014-05-16T13:53:11.293" UserId="158280" />
  <row Id="13047" PostId="6312" Score="1" Text="You might &quot;*prefer to ask my question from others*&quot;, but what Chris told you is correct @MohammadEtemaddar - the facts won't change because I'm telling you them instead of Chris, or a third person is instead of Chris or myself. Is there any part of Chris' answer that you do not understand?" CreationDate="2014-05-16T13:55:38.720" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13049" PostId="6312" Score="0" Text="@RobM , Anyway, the comment was not my answer :). I prefer to get my correct answer." CreationDate="2014-05-16T13:57:29.013" UserId="158280" />
  <row Id="13050" PostId="6312" Score="0" Text="@MohammadEtemaddar You already got the correct answer." CreationDate="2014-05-16T13:59:06.103" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13051" PostId="6312" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton : Ok, Thanks for your comment." CreationDate="2014-05-16T14:00:32.237" UserId="158280" />
  <row Id="13058" PostId="6312" Score="10" Text="I think something is getting lost in translation here. This comment conversation doesn't make sense." CreationDate="2014-05-16T14:20:01.543" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13056" PostId="6313" Score="0" Text="I do not like this system and it's high rank users." CreationDate="2014-05-16T14:16:42.340" UserId="158280" />
  <row Id="13057" PostId="6313" Score="5" Text="@MohammadEtemaddar Log out, don't come back *simples*" CreationDate="2014-05-16T14:18:29.580" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13059" PostId="6314" Score="1" Text="You are new here and I guess it's still exciting. You will eventually get just as irritated with the $cluelessness as the rest of us. Most likely just stop playing (in the not too distant future) because you are entirely bored with the daily stream of crappy questions." CreationDate="2014-05-16T17:08:26.433" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13060" PostId="6314" Score="0" Text="I think this viewpoint is totally defensible." CreationDate="2014-05-16T17:52:34.000" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="13070" PostId="6314" Score="1" Text="@lain that's exactly what we want to avoid - all the knowledgable people leaving because there are no good questions to answer.  I answer questions because I like a good puzzle.  If all the questions are crap and show no effort, the knowledgable people all leave, and this turns into yahoo answers." CreationDate="2014-05-18T00:06:00.900" UserId="108667" />
  <row Id="13073" PostId="6314" Score="1" Text="@Grant I'm very familiar with the problem, it's getting worse and is unlikely to get better. The time taken from talented people arriving at the gate and them running away is unfortunately shortening all the time. Sadly though there are an unending stream of people who think that being able to buy a VPS makes them part of our target audience and entitles them to our help." CreationDate="2014-05-18T10:16:30.060" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13074" PostId="6316" Score="0" Text="Good question, why he isn't listed on blog with `stuff` tag?" CreationDate="2014-05-18T15:20:02.397" UserId="127070" />
  <row Id="13075" PostId="6316" Score="2" Text="He was hired by Fog Creek... Not sure if that still counts" CreationDate="2014-05-18T16:36:09.327" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13076" PostId="6318" Score="0" Text="Tks a lot Mark!" CreationDate="2014-05-18T23:11:43.007" UserId="116477" />
  <row Id="13077" PostId="6319" Score="0" Text="We have quite a specific target audience you can read about it in our [about]." CreationDate="2014-05-19T14:18:25.690" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13078" PostId="6319" Score="2" Text="I think basic questions fall quite naturally in our topic matter, as long as they are actually basic questions about sysadmin (i.e. not &quot;how 2 cpanel&quot;)." CreationDate="2014-05-19T19:45:42.880" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="13108" PostId="6320" Score="0" Text="This question would be more clear if you described the 'unprofessional' question. I assume it was not something about choice of underpants. It was about Plesk?" CreationDate="2014-05-27T07:12:38.900" UserId="44697" />
  <row Id="13109" PostId="6320" Score="2" Text="Well, i think it doesn't really matter for this question, but for your curiosity was about upgrading PHP in a windows server (that had Plesk installed on it) :)" CreationDate="2014-05-27T07:19:17.927" UserId="218854" />
  <row Id="13079" PostId="6322" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Michael. At this moment i think that the question should remain deleted, so it has no sense to give more clarification for the question (that was not given at the begining, like logs and so, to avoid &quot;overinformation&quot; problems).&#xA;The answer i was given outside here is not the best in the world, but it left the work finished.&#xA;I really hope you are not the one in the pic. If so, please send me your postal address and i will send you a T-shirt with &quot;Kiss me, i'm a professsional&quot; ^.^" CreationDate="2014-05-20T01:16:58.563" UserId="218854" />
  <row Id="13080" PostId="6322" Score="0" Text="Afraid not. I haven't looked that good in a very long time...if ever." CreationDate="2014-05-20T01:17:43.730" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13081" PostId="6322" Score="12" Text="@tomasofen overinformation is rarely a problem here.  I would rather have all the details on what is going on, what you are trying to do, what you have tried, and what the results were upfront - rather than to drag them out of someone one edit at a time." CreationDate="2014-05-20T03:09:05.763" UserId="108667" />
  <row Id="13089" PostId="6322" Score="1" Text="Holy crap, a lawyer with a body like that? I wish I could put him on retainer.." CreationDate="2014-05-21T15:08:24.690" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="13087" PostId="6324" Score="5" Text="Correct. It'd be nice if the message was phrased &quot;User who upvoted you was removed&quot;" CreationDate="2014-05-21T13:23:37.827" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13115" PostId="6324" Score="0" Text="That would be a nice wording, indeed. Unfortunately 1) I cannot accept this comment as an answer. 2) The answer for this &quot;question&quot; would be if someone changed the website :)" CreationDate="2014-05-31T11:26:21.197" UserId="40326" />
  <row Id="13116" PostId="6325" Score="0" Text="I agree with Andrew on formal logic. Unfortunately even developers are sometimes irrationally behaving humans. Aaaand I have even seen an application that had actual bugs. So I did not have your conclusion without further investigation of what actually could happen." CreationDate="2014-05-31T11:28:37.247" UserId="40326" />
  <row Id="13091" PostId="6327" Score="3" Text="If you drill down, then it's only 4 issues now that you have fixed the blockquotes. The only one that really matters is making links easier to see, people really do fail to notice them. Cheers" CreationDate="2014-05-22T08:30:42.313" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13283" PostId="6327" Score="0" Text="Anna I'm really tempted to put the bug tag back on this issue - people really do fail to notice links ... here's another one from today http://serverfault.com/questions/604757/why-a-sed-command-stop-my-log-file-to-be-written-to/604764?noredirect=1#comment716521_604764" CreationDate="2014-06-13T07:59:31.537" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13298" PostId="6327" Score="0" Text="@Iain Ack. I knew I was forgetting something... Sorry 'bout that. Fixed: http://meta.serverfault.com/a/6386/101854." CreationDate="2014-06-13T19:26:27.357" UserId="101854" />
  <row Id="13092" PostId="6329" Score="0" Text="I've run it under debugger several times and know exactly *where* it breaks, know the values used, etc. I still can't find out *why*. So I need ideas where to look." CreationDate="2014-05-22T20:46:06.590" UserId="220857" />
  <row Id="13093" PostId="6329" Score="0" Text="It looks like you're also doing this on your development workstation - you should take a look at our [about] as it explicitly puts development environments like this out of scope for SF." CreationDate="2014-05-23T09:06:29.920" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13095" PostId="6329" Score="1" Text="OK. So it stays on SO." CreationDate="2014-05-23T14:09:00.960" UserId="220857" />
  <row Id="13103" PostId="6330" Score="3" Text="This happened to me too and in the end I've left the [answer](http://serverfault.com/a/178470/4276) because some people found it useful. Though I mentioned that it doesn't solve the problem." CreationDate="2014-05-25T02:55:34.063" UserId="4276" />
  <row Id="13094" PostId="6331" Score="8" Text="This is also why we tend to be heavyhanded when people submit &quot;dangerous&quot; answers without disclosures, even if an answer has already been accepted. Inexperienced people are going to cruise into that Q&amp;A and come away with &quot;solutions&quot; that are a danger to themselves and others." CreationDate="2014-05-23T13:52:34.373" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13096" PostId="6331" Score="0" Text="Oh yes, that's what voting and editing is for." CreationDate="2014-05-23T18:45:51.683" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13110" PostId="6331" Score="3" Text="+1 for the &quot;no honour where rep is concerned&quot; part" CreationDate="2014-05-27T15:16:01.440" UserId="90762" />
  <row Id="13104" PostId="6333" Score="0" Text="Michael, could you perhaps clarify that the &quot;*don't edit*&quot; advice also applies to SEO spam (which I believe is the current recommendation)?" CreationDate="2014-05-25T09:00:14.263" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13105" PostId="6333" Score="0" Text="Yes, everything. Sometimes, especially on some of the non-obvious cases, the only way to figure it out is to look at the URL." CreationDate="2014-05-25T12:37:20.353" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13102" PostId="6334" Score="1" Text="The review audit questions are picked by an algorithm, which is to say that many of them are poor choices.  I recall there even being one or two we had to get removed from the audit list because the answer the audit expected was flat out wrong.  So don't sweat it." CreationDate="2014-05-25T00:40:40.217" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13106" PostId="6334" Score="0" Text="It seems the search engine I used to find out if my question had been asked before has not performed any OCR on that other question. My search terms are in a screenshot in that other question, but are found nowhere else on the page." CreationDate="2014-05-25T14:30:21.607" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13099" PostId="6335" Score="0" Text="Had the question been presented to me with off-topic as the reason, I might have followed suit if I agreed with the more specific reason. Otherwise I would probably have skipped it because I think that is the right thing to do, if you aren't certain what answer should be given. But I still think keeping open is appropriate if the reason given for closing is clearly not applicable." CreationDate="2014-05-24T15:31:42.847" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13100" PostId="6335" Score="2" Text="You could also have chosen to _close_ with a different reason than the one given in the review." CreationDate="2014-05-24T15:33:55.947" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13101" PostId="6335" Score="0" Text="That I could have. But there wasn't another reason where I thought that it should definitely without doubt be closed for that reason." CreationDate="2014-05-24T15:47:12.577" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13112" PostId="6336" Score="0" Text="I just asked the same question at the same time." CreationDate="2014-05-30T16:27:17.977" UserId="127389" />
  <row Id="13113" PostId="6336" Score="1" Text="I noticed...now they need to merge the questions! ha." CreationDate="2014-05-30T16:29:02.763" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="13117" PostId="6339" Score="2" Text="There isn't enough information here. Please link to the review and the question(s)." CreationDate="2014-06-01T23:03:33.520" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13118" PostId="6339" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton I have added a link to the old question. The review doesn't show up in my review history (which makes sense because it wasn't possible for me to review it)." CreationDate="2014-06-01T23:14:27.050" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13119" PostId="6339" Score="0" Text="What was the question asked two hours ago? I don't see any likely candidates." CreationDate="2014-06-01T23:17:46.653" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13120" PostId="6339" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton It showed up in the &quot;First Posts&quot; review queue. But I can't find the question anywhere else. I guess I'll have to take a screenshot if it happens again." CreationDate="2014-06-01T23:25:36.870" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13142" PostId="6342" Score="2" Text="Defending [help vampires](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19665/the-help-vampire-problem) does not seem constructive to the idea of building a community. We use the &quot;professional&quot; criteria to cull the mass of content our contributors find most objectionable. There seems to be a disconnect between the &quot;professional&quot; intention and the way help vampires perceive it - to be fair, not understanding their own condition is prerequisite of being a help vampire. (Note: a previous version of this comment was fairly described as &quot;judgmental&quot; - this is a complete rewrite)" CreationDate="2014-06-02T13:24:29.773" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13146" PostId="6342" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your clarification and your rewrite.  I have updated my question with my thoughts on the subject.  I will try and think of how to update it further such that I am not taking a stance of defending a help vampire as the link you gave defines them.  I completely agree that help vampires are not a good thing, I am hoping to have a discussion about the site and community in a constructive and insightful manner." CreationDate="2014-06-02T15:20:42.903" UserId="44519" />
  <row Id="13148" PostId="6342" Score="2" Text="The main problem I have is that by allowing a wider range of content you force potential answers to wade through more of what they don't want to answer before finding something they do want to answer. The site allows for a degree of user filtering by voting; but people don't vote (if you can solve that issue it would solve other problems too). Filtering by tags requires extra Answerer effort to setup, and is less effective than you'd think. Lacking filtering, the effort required to Answer will rise until nobody wants to put that much effort into providing an Answer on a recurring basis." CreationDate="2014-06-02T15:29:46.843" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13149" PostId="6342" Score="0" Text="Would you mind moving this comment to an answer?  I find it very valuable and insightful to the discussion" CreationDate="2014-06-02T16:22:23.290" UserId="44519" />
  <row Id="13150" PostId="6342" Score="2" Text="You need to acknowledge [broken windows theory too](http://blog.codinghorror.com/the-broken-window-theory/). Today we have such good search engine ranking that allowing questions like for instance about using XP (or another client OS) as a server will bring hoards of other people with other $similar problems. Server Fault is not here for those people (amateurs). We already suffer from far too may amateurs asking questions that can easily be solved  by reading documentation more we don't need. This is not limited to people using client OS as servers either." CreationDate="2014-06-02T16:32:41.323" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13151" PostId="6342" Score="3" Text="The close reason also says _is not relevant to professional system administration_ not _is not professional_ they are different." CreationDate="2014-06-02T16:36:03.810" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13152" PostId="6342" Score="0" Text="@Iain Granted, but for whatever reason it's read as the latter, and people are generally 50x more likely to tell friends about a negative experience than a positive one." CreationDate="2014-06-02T17:23:41.633" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13153" PostId="6342" Score="0" Text="Given hat the majority of our questions come from people who are outside our $target market, them passing on a negative experience works for me." CreationDate="2014-06-02T17:26:46.750" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13154" PostId="6342" Score="0" Text="@Iain I'll accept the broken windows theory, and I am not saying that this question is good &quot;as is.&quot;  Moderation, and the voting to close a question is analogous to policing our community.  What I am trying to discuss is the means in which we police.  I think through a constructive discussion we may be able to come up with a better means of &quot;policing&quot; the community." CreationDate="2014-06-02T18:07:21.753" UserId="44519" />
  <row Id="13155" PostId="6342" Score="3" Text="I hear what you're saying and to be honest there's nothing new here. Perhaps you should spend more time in our community before trying to fix it." CreationDate="2014-06-02T18:09:53.467" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13156" PostId="6342" Score="0" Text="@Iain I think the beauty of the stack exchange sites is the ability for professionals to show their professionalism by helping others, even if they are currently less of a professional in the field as another.  Chris calls out some difficulties that may impede our abilities to do that, and discussing those difficulties could allow us to generate feature requests to improve these sites." CreationDate="2014-06-02T18:19:18.307" UserId="44519" />
  <row Id="13157" PostId="6342" Score="0" Text="@Iain I apologize for coming off as claiming the community is broken.  I do not believe that.  I believe that people have the best intentions.  I will reword my question to focus less on the community and more on the sites." CreationDate="2014-06-02T18:20:17.220" UserId="44519" />
  <row Id="13160" PostId="6342" Score="0" Text="@Iain I started to edit this question again (3 times actually) and struggled with fixing its wording.  Instead, I'll let the discussion continue/die off for now.  In the meantime, I have provided the OP of the linked question with some suggestions." CreationDate="2014-06-02T21:23:12.597" UserId="44519" />
  <row Id="13164" PostId="6342" Score="0" Text="@Adam, my input for you is that this is an unwinnable battle. I have never understood why a simple downvote or just ignoring the question entirely isn't enough in so many cases." CreationDate="2014-06-03T07:11:21.743" UserId="2302" />
  <row Id="13167" PostId="6342" Score="0" Text="@Adam Just to be clear, we've identified a set of &quot;problems&quot; we have, but nobody has found answers to any of them. I really need to write it up in some kind of canonical post, as you're far from the first person to be irked by the symptoms of these problems. We've had some really bright minds pour over it too. And the same paradigms work for other sites, but don't seem to work for SF." CreationDate="2014-06-04T15:17:06.220" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13168" PostId="6342" Score="7" Text="@nedm then you don't understand any of the stack exchange sites. While you might well disagree with this site's criteria for closing questions and you're welcome to do so, ruthlessly closing questions that fall outside of a site's scope is a central part of the stack exchange sites; they are meant to be centres of excellence in their subject areas with curated content, not a free-for-all." CreationDate="2014-06-04T20:33:48.407" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13183" PostId="6342" Score="0" Text="+1 @RobM, you are right: I don't understand the zeal for ruthlessly closing questions on any of the stack exchange sites." CreationDate="2014-06-07T15:49:01.997" UserId="2302" />
  <row Id="13137" PostId="6343" Score="0" Text="I understand, and appreciate, your point.  Would the question be better valued/served on a different stack exchange site?  Maybe one that is more geared towards DevOps or something?" CreationDate="2014-06-02T06:21:38.640" UserId="44519" />
  <row Id="13141" PostId="6343" Score="6" Text="@Adam A very important part of DevOps is Ops warning you that something is way out of left field and should not be done at all." CreationDate="2014-06-02T12:51:29.663" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13147" PostId="6343" Score="0" Text="I understand and agree with you, believe me.  From my perspective, I am giving this guy the benefit of the doubt though, and assuming that he has some extenuating circumstance that has led him to this non-ideal problem/solution.  There are limitless possibilities to how he got into this situation, and I feel like being too quick to close a question isn't the best approach here.  I was curios if there is a different stack exchange site, and I should not have suggested it being a DevOps site, but I don't know where else I would send this OP." CreationDate="2014-06-02T15:26:14.163" UserId="44519" />
  <row Id="13158" PostId="6343" Score="1" Text="@Adam For Windows workstations outside of our scope, [SuperUser](http://superuser.com/) is probably your best bet." CreationDate="2014-06-02T20:45:09.827" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13159" PostId="6343" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB Thanks, I commented on his question with some suggestions on how he could improve his question and suggested he may want to alternatively checkout superuser." CreationDate="2014-06-02T21:19:26.840" UserId="44519" />
  <row Id="13161" PostId="6343" Score="0" Text="@Adam I'm not sure that this is a &quot;lengthy debate&quot; as you are putting it to this user. We have a [definition](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/4111), and it's linked to in the close reason. The others have covered that this falls under *condition that would never exist in a professionally managed production environment*. We've had the &quot;I am a professional and my boss is forcing me to do this&quot; angle tossed at us many times before, but that doesn't really change things. At that point you may be an IT professional, but what you're doing isn't, and those aren't the solutions we provide here." CreationDate="2014-06-02T21:33:25.280" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13162" PostId="6343" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB Very well, I'll concede your point on the lengthy debate.  I have not followed the history or am familiar enough with the current state of the community to draw that conclusion.  I am unable to edit my comment on SF to remove that statement though.  Maybe a moderator can edit it for me?" CreationDate="2014-06-02T21:35:53.130" UserId="44519" />
  <row Id="13163" PostId="6343" Score="0" Text="@Adam I wouldn't worry about it, just trying to put a finer point on it. :) You may get some mileage out of [this answer](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/5911/152073) I supplied a few months back as it addresses the point I'm covering in greater detail. The focus is more on whether the answer we offer is going to be a professional solution, and less on whether the person asking is a professional." CreationDate="2014-06-02T22:02:14.030" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13166" PostId="6347" Score="0" Text="Related: [What information should I include or obfuscate in my posts?](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/963/126632)" CreationDate="2014-06-04T13:26:56.743" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17116" PostId="6347" Score="1" Text="I keep shoveling back the tide by editing such questions when I find them, but it does get tiresome." CreationDate="2015-03-10T09:22:05.417" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="13169" PostId="6348" Score="0" Text="Blocking stuff like http://www.mysite.com may block some legitimate questions (specifically, ones where the OP cites a tutorial written by someone who has never read RFC 2606). Whether or not we want such questions is a matter for a different discussion though." CreationDate="2014-06-04T20:53:00.540" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13170" PostId="6348" Score="0" Text="Hmm. I can't remember ever seeing a question that would have been blocked in that rather narrow scenario. Do you have one handy?" CreationDate="2014-06-04T20:55:56.337" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13171" PostId="6348" Score="5" Text="not off the top of my head, but I know I've seen tutorials and config examples use mysite.com (it seems to be a popular one). Personally I have no problem with blacklisting these domains though - ***PROFESSIONALS*** should be familiar with RFC 2606." CreationDate="2014-06-04T21:11:12.737" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13173" PostId="6349" Score="12" Text="Michael Hampton is *literally* the devil, I've heard. And he pushes old ladies over. And steals from children." CreationDate="2014-06-05T14:51:51.883" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="13174" PostId="6349" Score="3" Text="Please link your question/answer/comment/whatever in meta posts. We don't have any time to search for them while we're busy pushing over children and stealing from old ladies." CreationDate="2014-06-05T14:53:25.490" UserId="2101" />
  <row Id="13175" PostId="6349" Score="1" Text="@MikeyB http://serverfault.com/questions/601990/linux-commands-shows-different-results" CreationDate="2014-06-05T14:59:07.490" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13176" PostId="6349" Score="0" Text="@MikeyB [Non-answer #1](http://serverfault.com/a/602040/118258), and [non-answer #2](http://serverfault.com/a/602008/118258)." CreationDate="2014-06-05T15:01:16.607" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13180" PostId="6349" Score="0" Text="@Dan - you forgot about the puppies.  He also kicks puppies.  But there are probably some bad things about him too." CreationDate="2014-06-05T15:07:02.690" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13178" PostId="6351" Score="1" Text="`No, honestly not many people actually care about fake Internet points.`  Well, actually, considering how many people get butthurt about it, and get competitive/have an ego about them, I'd say that actually, most people do care about valueless, fake internet points. :p" CreationDate="2014-06-05T15:03:54.050" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13179" PostId="6351" Score="0" Text="It'd still contend that the total number of people who really care isn't significant." CreationDate="2014-06-05T15:06:01.460" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13182" PostId="6351" Score="0" Text="I care about points about as much as I care about this thread.." CreationDate="2014-06-05T16:03:51.543" UserId="4251" />
  <row Id="13177" PostId="6353" Score="10" Text="If it's short enough, moderators can just convert it to a comment automatically, and in general that is what I'd do. These were too long to be converted." CreationDate="2014-06-05T15:02:17.530" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13266" PostId="6357" Score="2" Text="You could always pop into the serverfault chat room and ask if someone there has experience in large-scale nagios deployments. We're much open to broad questions in chat (it's why the chat rooms were introduced)." CreationDate="2014-06-12T19:24:24.297" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="13267" PostId="6357" Score="0" Text="Great point, @pauska Thanks for the idea and reminder." CreationDate="2014-06-12T19:32:11.303" UserId="77231" />
  <row Id="13291" PostId="6357" Score="0" Text="Glad I came across this Q. I didn't realize there were SF chat rooms!" CreationDate="2014-06-13T14:28:52.110" UserId="49571" />
  <row Id="13184" PostId="6358" Score="2" Text="I appreciate it. I think my best approach may be testing with a smaller set and seeing how resources are taken up by specific monitors. I was sure I'd get an answer like this. Unfortunately, the existing questions/answers didn't help me all that much (I'm sure everyone writing duplicates feels that way). Thanks for confirming." CreationDate="2014-06-09T22:43:18.260" UserId="77231" />
  <row Id="13289" PostId="6358" Score="1" Text="Yes, start small, and watch utilization as you add in chunks.  Few systems scale linearly, so don't be surprised if you hit a wall.  Monitoring systems are particularly because it is hard to make them completely orthogonal to the systems that they're monitoring.  (For instance, adding a lot of checks to lots of systems could begin flooding your network layer.)" CreationDate="2014-06-13T12:45:41.410" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="13185" PostId="6359" Score="1" Text="We are free and open to everyone. But, just as SO only accepts questions about programming, we only accept questions about professional system administration. I should also remind you that there are far more programmers than system administrators, by _orders of magnitude_." CreationDate="2014-06-10T17:23:56.823" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13186" PostId="6359" Score="0" Text="I take that to mean we are &quot;free and open to everyone&quot; that are &quot;system and network administrators needing expert answers related to managing computer systems in a professional capacity.&quot; Equal Opportunity Q&amp;A, affirmative action, etc.?? In all seriousness very few will stick around 1) if they see a bunch of n00b `How do I set a static IP address PLEZ HALP ASAP!!!! or 2) No one can answer their SCOM/$Technology question in a reasonable time, which could be in part due to #1. I say we continue to downvote and get rid of bad quality questions *even moreso* than before." CreationDate="2014-06-10T17:30:04.767" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13187" PostId="6359" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton - Right. &quot;Programming&quot; vs. &quot;System Administration&quot; defines what content is in scope. &quot;Professional&quot; defines *who* should be posting that content. We can play mental gymnastics all day with &quot;professional mindset&quot; vs. &quot;professional&quot; but we *are* putting an ability restriction on our scope." CreationDate="2014-06-10T17:30:57.610" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="13188" PostId="6359" Score="0" Text="If that results in a small community then so be it. It's about quality, not quantity." CreationDate="2014-06-10T17:32:07.727" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13189" PostId="6359" Score="1" Text="@BigHomie The problem isn't that it results in a small community, it's that it results in a death spiral. As in, the talented people get fed up with the poor signal to noise ratio and participate less or quit. As a result of less expertise on the site, the signal to noise ratio worsens, causing more talented people to participate less quit, which causes the signal to noise ratio to worsen, which causes more talent to quit which causes the signal to noise ratio to worsen, which causes more talent to quit, which causes the signal to noise ratio to worsen, which causes more talent to quit, ..." CreationDate="2014-06-10T17:36:08.780" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13190" PostId="6359" Score="3" Text="The question nobody has come up with a good answer for yet is: How do you attract and retain high quality people and content?" CreationDate="2014-06-10T17:38:41.717" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13191" PostId="6359" Score="1" Text="which causes the signal to noise ratio to worsen, which causes more talent to quit, which causes the signal to noise ratio to worsen, which causes more talent to quit, which causes the signal to noise ratio to worsen, which causes more talent to quit, which causes the signal to noise ratio to worsen, which causes more talent to quit, which causes the signal to noise ratio to worsen, which causes the rest of any remaining talent to quit, which causes the signal to noise ratio to ***eventually kill the site and migrate all questions to.... super user.***" CreationDate="2014-06-10T17:40:02.427" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13192" PostId="6359" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton I always thought it was really good fried chicken. Barring that, is there a meta question about that yet? I think it would make a good one there or either in chat." CreationDate="2014-06-10T17:41:16.027" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13193" PostId="6359" Score="1" Text="@BigHomie - [How to attract more professionals?](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/637/how-to-attract-more-professionals). That was back in '10. Might be time to revisit it." CreationDate="2014-06-10T17:44:46.547" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="13194" PostId="6359" Score="0" Text="[very well then](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6360/how-can-we-recruit-and-retain-more-talent)." CreationDate="2014-06-10T18:05:33.183" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13197" PostId="6359" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton SE might have something soon to help us.. look at the bottom half section of the latest SE podcast blog entry: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2014/05/podcast-59-hes-one-of-those-science-ists/" CreationDate="2014-06-10T18:12:06.883" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="13198" PostId="6359" Score="0" Text="@pauska Those are good ideas. Though I suspect that SO will get them and we won't..." CreationDate="2014-06-10T18:13:21.510" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13201" PostId="6359" Score="0" Text="@kce This is very well written and makes sense. Thanks.  In my own experience, I have 3 issues with contribution, which Chris calls out in a comment to my question.  1 - I am a casual contributor to SF, part due to my skills in sysadmin have detered over the years since changing my professional focus to development and part due to other responsibilities consuming my life.  2 - I find it hard to find questions that I *can* answer because of poor filterability.  3 - My impressions of this behavior/policy as closed/elitist.  I don't believe the people are elitist, it just comes off that way." CreationDate="2014-06-10T19:37:43.670" UserId="44519" />
  <row Id="13202" PostId="6359" Score="0" Text="It looks like you're confusing scope and audience. Our scope is very wide, our audience is quite narrow. Unfortunately our audience is mostly outside of our target and this brings quality issues just like everywhere else on the internet. Sadly there aren't enough people who fight the good fight and the hoards are winning." CreationDate="2014-06-10T19:38:01.447" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13203" PostId="6359" Score="0" Text="After reading others answers/comments I realized that I have the power to influence at least 1 aspect.  I can try and exemplify the behavior that I would hope to recieve when asking a question when I try and answer or help an OP.  This does **not** mean there is an issue with the community, and it does **not** make me better than anyone else.  If I want to change the perception, the only thing I can do is to try and contribute positively.  i.e. The Golden Rule" CreationDate="2014-06-10T19:43:27.967" UserId="44519" />
  <row Id="13208" PostId="6359" Score="2" Text="@Adam - 1. Nothing wrong with being a causal contributor as long as your contributions are appropriate. 2. This is a problem for everyone. Agreed. 3. It *is* elitist. A portion of the SF community is saying, &quot;this site is not for everyone or all types of questions&quot;. There are hundreds of sites with larger defined audiences (SU being one). SF is supposed to be *different*. I don't see anything wrong with this." CreationDate="2014-06-10T20:11:42.390" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="13195" PostId="6360" Score="2" Text="Promote the chat rooms more, that worked for me." CreationDate="2014-06-10T18:07:52.137" UserId="75118" />
  <row Id="13196" PostId="6360" Score="2" Text="@MatthewIfe Part of the problem is the core value of the site (for the professionals we want to attract/retain) is migrating more and more to chat -- having a vibrant and healthy chat community is great, but if the main site is a pit we'll never get fresh blood in chat either :-/" CreationDate="2014-06-10T18:09:58.077" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13199" PostId="6360" Score="3" Text="Well @voretaq7 not letting everyone know we're vampires until we actually *get* them into the chat might help" CreationDate="2014-06-10T18:14:29.963" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13205" PostId="6360" Score="7" Text="We do attract talent but we don't keep it as we don't attract good quality questions to keep them interested. On any given day more that 50% of our questions and sometimes more than 75% are from people who would class themselves as programmers - the rest is history." CreationDate="2014-06-10T19:48:51.687" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13213" PostId="6360" Score="3" Text="I'm with @Iain on this. I'm relatively young as far as the site is concerned but I scaled back to monitoring a few tags via RSS months ago...at least until stack2rss.stackexchange.com was killed off a few weeks back. Occasionally I'll log in and use the terrible review queues until audits annoy me away again, but that's about it." CreationDate="2014-06-10T21:24:09.327" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13217" PostId="6360" Score="1" Text="@AndrewB each tag has it's own feed e.g. http://serverfault.com/feeds/tag?tagnames=dns&amp;sort=newest" CreationDate="2014-06-10T21:55:48.633" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13218" PostId="6360" Score="0" Text="@Iain `tagnames` makes it appear that you can have multiple tags in one feed, tell me more about this sorcery" CreationDate="2014-06-10T21:58:06.597" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13219" PostId="6360" Score="0" Text="@BigHomie ask Mark in chat I had to :)" CreationDate="2014-06-10T21:58:50.647" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13220" PostId="6360" Score="0" Text="http://serverfault.com/help/interesting-topics" CreationDate="2014-06-10T22:01:16.280" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13221" PostId="6360" Score="0" Text="@Iain stack2rss exposed a few extra constraints that I liked to use, but I think they were only present in the old API. Thanks though, I was going to have to hunt that down anyway." CreationDate="2014-06-10T22:01:54.643" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13279" PostId="6360" Score="2" Text="@BigHomie Best I've found so far: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/151519/what-other-hidden-or-inobvious-rss-feeds-are-available-on-stackexchange-and-stac" CreationDate="2014-06-13T02:45:44.740" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13434" PostId="6360" Score="0" Text="I think SF already attracts a lot of the right people, the problem is they leave.  Hostile comments, abrupt criticism, votes to close something someone doesn't like etc.  Sure cash will keep some, but maybe we need to focus on who we are losing." CreationDate="2014-07-03T23:42:06.570" UserId="108727" />
  <row Id="13200" PostId="6361" Score="1" Text="*I'm sorry to be curt or rude*, but before we discuss the &quot;allow non-processional&quot; idea, you need to look at what get's closed, find some examples, and base your recommendation off something substantial. I've heard the &quot;just let people ask anything&quot; argument *many* times without a lick of evidence to support the opinion - and every time I've asked for examples I've got nothing or crap. People who have provided many answers in the past and then stopped have been expressed concerns over the never ending stream of non-professional [help vampires](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/19665)." CreationDate="2014-06-10T18:58:46.543" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13204" PostId="6361" Score="10" Text="Serverfault should really be a relatively small high quality site like DBA or NE. That we attract hoards of programmers and amateurs is much to our detriment as it floods us with crappy low quality questions. More like that we do not need." CreationDate="2014-06-10T19:45:32.457" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13209" PostId="6361" Score="4" Text="I'd much rather be shrunk to obscurity than dealing with more users who needing halp to server and why tha windows isn't connecting to Virtualbox on NOSQL, (o, and i am using amazon), K thx." CreationDate="2014-06-10T20:12:33.410" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13215" PostId="6361" Score="3" Text="@ChrisS The voting trend on meta has always amused me on topics like this. Whenever the &quot;SF isn't inclusive&quot; topic comes up, answers in support of inclusivity tend to be neutrally scored (high # of upvotes negating downvotes), whereas opposed views get a few token downvotes but that's about it. To me this has always suggested that we have a vocal counter-culture of low rep users who would love SF to be steered in that direction, but they themselves can't be bothered to contribute enough for downvote rep. I wouldn't call this answer a statistic of that yet but it is certainly trending that way." CreationDate="2014-06-10T21:35:09.490" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13216" PostId="6361" Score="1" Text="@AndrewB you're right...ish.  You see the same trend in Q&amp;A's that hit the hot network list and/or appeal to the StackOverflow crowd, and we have, in fact even deleted highly up voted questions that didn't fit here for that reason (including one from SO about favorite server names).  The issue is that the core of this community is heavily outnumbered by the SO (or other site) users who flock here for a particular question of interest, or to complain that we're mean because we have no interest in their off-topic question they a asked a while ago." CreationDate="2014-06-10T21:46:51.647" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13222" PostId="6361" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b That's what I suspected, but I wanted to statistically emphasize that the majority of people who want to back that opinion can't be bothered to contribute. (i.e. are help vampires)" CreationDate="2014-06-10T22:14:05.520" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13227" PostId="6361" Score="2" Text="If we want to increase the number of users, allowing more questions on more topics is likely work. If, on the other hand, we want to increase the quality of the site, I'd say it's counterproductive." CreationDate="2014-06-11T12:08:27.627" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="13206" PostId="6362" Score="0" Text="This is an interesting blog post about the interesting tab on SO http://kevinmontrose.com/2013/05/22/your-future-on-stack-overflow/ and you can get a feel for how it may work for you here http://serverfault.com/users/tag-future/current" CreationDate="2014-06-10T19:57:32.537" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13207" PostId="6362" Score="1" Text="Yes, yes we should." CreationDate="2014-06-10T20:08:41.357" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13212" PostId="6362" Score="5" Text="Actually, you can get a feel for how it may work for you by [visiting it directly](http://serverfault.com/?tab=interesting)." CreationDate="2014-06-10T20:58:11.730" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13214" PostId="6362" Score="1" Text="It doesn't work very well for me at all... Maybe it needs some optimization for Serverfault, or Canonical and Plesk are paying for favored status, or something." CreationDate="2014-06-10T21:33:10.983" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13223" PostId="6362" Score="1" Text="I went to dinner almost two hours ago and when I came back the front page had 29 questions with new activity, while the interesting page had 26. So only three questions were dropped. From a quick glance I'd say many more than that should have been. It obviously would need further tuning for us." CreationDate="2014-06-10T23:29:08.403" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13255" PostId="6362" Score="0" Text="Agreed. The Interesting page for me didn't change very much and still included topics that I have never expressed interest in. I also noted that my &quot;future&quot; page was based on content that &quot;The Predictor&quot; hasn't updated since Jan 8th." CreationDate="2014-06-12T14:24:32.030" UserId="49571" />
  <row Id="13256" PostId="6362" Score="0" Text="Another potentially easy improvement would be to make it easier for us to ignore questions based on certain tags." CreationDate="2014-06-12T14:25:52.180" UserId="49571" />
  <row Id="13351" PostId="6362" Score="0" Text="Say, you may want to check out [this post on how the current &quot;interesting&quot; tab may have made overall quality look a lot worse than it is](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/258699/the-stack-overflow-homepage-is-over-emphasizing-bad-questions-and-a-proposed-so), and [this one, where we're sharing an early version of a new method that we hope will be better](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/261138/feedback-requested-new-recommended-homepage-phase-1)." CreationDate="2014-06-23T18:02:27.273" UserId="130222" />
  <row Id="13385" PostId="6362" Score="0" Text="@Jaydles Please consider my request amended to point to this new &quot;recommended&quot; page." CreationDate="2014-06-29T19:22:25.870" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13210" PostId="6363" Score="1" Text="A `though-steam`, you say?  Is that anything like the steam room at my gym, or is it more of a thought-stream situation? :p" CreationDate="2014-06-10T20:13:36.760" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13211" PostId="6363" Score="0" Text="I don't know what you're talking about =]" CreationDate="2014-06-10T20:15:15.640" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13301" PostId="6363" Score="0" Text="*&quot;At some point in the past some SE sites had a feedback mechanism to allow non-users to indicate a post was helpful.&quot;* Serverfault and the other Exchange websites often have a very good ranking in Google's databases. Before I had an account, I often found answers here, but I never was able to upvote. Sad." CreationDate="2014-06-15T12:54:45.597" UserId="188837" />
  <row Id="13224" PostId="6368" Score="0" Text="thx.  I didn't know it had a time limit." CreationDate="2014-06-11T04:44:53.267" UserId="132080" />
  <row Id="13225" PostId="6368" Score="3" Text="With only one notable exception, all bans are strictly temporary, but they increase in length with each occasion." CreationDate="2014-06-11T04:45:51.377" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="13226" PostId="6369" Score="11" Text="This part of the site is *exlusively* for discussion of the site, actual questions about system administration are completely wrong here. As for the &quot;smack down&quot;, it's so simple. Write good, topical, well researched questions and answers and you won't experience a smack-down. If you just post crap and don't read the informations presented to you, it's your own problem." CreationDate="2014-06-11T10:52:21.970" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="13244" PostId="6369" Score="6" Text="This is satire, right? This is **EXACTLY** the sort of off-topic forum-like response that drives so many people away. No only are you winging about the situation unnecessarily, but you took the time to write it all up in a post without lending a single thought toward the actual topic of discussion." CreationDate="2014-06-12T02:24:30.267" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13263" PostId="6369" Score="2" Text="quod erat demonstratum" CreationDate="2014-06-12T17:05:43.410" UserId="224209" />
  <row Id="13271" PostId="6369" Score="2" Text="Putting it more politely, you're a little overeager to assume that you're the audience we need to be trying hard to please. People who walk in with that assumption are a dime a dozen and rarely contribute to the site long enough to have constructive advice to offer on how we can solve this particular problem. If you're not concerned at all about the (*demonstrated*) quality of the people we lose regularly, and have no feel for the reasons why, you really have no context for the problem at all." CreationDate="2014-06-12T21:52:35.167" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13272" PostId="6369" Score="1" Text="Sigh. Not my point at all. My point was that if you want to recruit NEW PEOPLE,  then you should in general set up a method  to do a survey or focus group of those types of people. IE people who have recently started to contribute useful answers. Customer research. I actually have not been smacked down until this instance. Mostly because I have not yet asked questions, but have entertained myself by helping people. Lots of fun. Until now." CreationDate="2014-06-12T23:14:55.053" UserId="224209" />
  <row Id="13273" PostId="6369" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure I get this. When you're reffering to &quot;smackdown zone&quot; - is it this meta site? Or serverfault in general? Or the entire stackexchange network?" CreationDate="2014-06-13T00:46:18.113" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="13299" PostId="6369" Score="0" Text="I was not saying that there was a &quot;smackdown zone&quot; anywhere. I was just saying, that IF you were to set up a &quot;zone&quot; IE chat room, specialized discussion, on this topic (IE a chat for people new to the site who wished to make a meaningful contribution, and possibly had encountered obstacles), then this chat area would be explicitly &quot;non-smackdown&quot;. Because people are more likely to give honest information in a setting they perceive as safe." CreationDate="2014-06-13T22:14:49.157" UserId="224209" />
  <row Id="13300" PostId="6369" Score="3" Text="see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualitative_research for an overview of qualitative research. and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_qualitative_research for the types of methods. It also might be useful to look at what Wikipedia has been doing, since they encountered similar issues - declining numbers of editors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Editor_Retention" CreationDate="2014-06-13T22:30:04.310" UserId="224209" />
  <row Id="13354" PostId="6369" Score="1" Text="I've come onto the site recently, and found it not to be a 'smackdown zone'. But then, I took the time to read some of the expectations for the site, regarding how to ask good questions and what would be 'on topic'. So have really found it quite helpful, because in taking the time to ask well, I got constructive and helpful answers." CreationDate="2014-06-24T10:50:00.120" UserId="216511" />
  <row Id="13381" PostId="6369" Score="0" Text="Yes, Sobrique, this has been true for me as well. Obviously I did not word my response in the optimum way. I was trying to share my experience in marketing a new venture. In that role I was responsible for customer marketing research, IE surveying customers on  planned features for the new venture. I found that if I was as accepting as possible when conducting surveys I got more useful insight. My comment was in the context of collecting usability input from new site users." CreationDate="2014-06-25T20:03:59.447" UserId="224209" />
  <row Id="13760" PostId="6370" Score="0" Text="Please remember to include a 1px solid border on any ad that has a white background on the edge." CreationDate="2014-09-29T16:11:28.320" UserId="133285" />
  <row Id="13232" PostId="6371" Score="3" Text="You shoukd drop into chat and talk to Basil, he's a storage engineer too. Unfortunately storage is something we struggle to attract any questions on at all." CreationDate="2014-06-11T19:18:09.067" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13233" PostId="6371" Score="1" Text="+1, I think you are on to something. High rep users can see deleted questions, when others can't. What about a queue of pending questions that hold questions by users who either have not asked enough 'approved' questions on the site, or some other metric." CreationDate="2014-06-11T20:24:25.667" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13234" PostId="6371" Score="0" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6377/feature-request-question-approval-queue" CreationDate="2014-06-11T20:45:45.300" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13228" PostId="6372" Score="5" Text="I've been in this situation before, and I gave it to the person with the lowest rep, just to be sporting :)" CreationDate="2014-06-11T14:56:37.430" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="13249" PostId="6374" Score="0" Text="I don't think reducing things are necessarily good. I would definitely appreciate a way to browse questions that I'd be able to contribute answers to more easily - I have nothing to offer for e.g. nginx or apache questions." CreationDate="2014-06-12T10:18:46.757" UserId="216511" />
  <row Id="13316" PostId="6374" Score="0" Text="FWIW SO has many tabs including [Interesting](http://stackoverflow.com/), [Active](http://stackoverflow.com/questions?sort=active), [Newest](http://stackoverflow.com/questions?sort=newest), as well as others. You just have to know where to click." CreationDate="2014-06-16T22:33:50.947" UserId="146649" />
  <row Id="13230" PostId="6375" Score="1" Text="So i've awarded the bounty to one user. But i don't see an option to create another bounty. I have 50+ reputation. Shouldn't it be showing me that option?" CreationDate="2014-06-11T16:59:17.387" UserId="224081" />
  <row Id="13231" PostId="6375" Score="0" Text="No, you need 75 reputation to be able to offer a bounty." CreationDate="2014-06-11T17:10:25.443" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13243" PostId="6375" Score="0" Text="@user38480 You can [earn 100 rep points](http://stackoverflow.com/help/whats-reputation) in the blink of on eye" CreationDate="2014-06-11T22:53:03.453" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="13285" PostId="6375" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton: Have more than 75 now. But still not able to offer a second bounty. :(" CreationDate="2014-06-13T09:50:35.473" UserId="224081" />
  <row Id="13235" PostId="6376" Score="0" Text="*very* intriguing story. I've only frequented chat for a few months now and I do notice your presence dwindling. I'd like to know your [thoughts on this](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6377/feature-request-question-approval-queue) to help curb what happened to you from happening to others." CreationDate="2014-06-11T20:47:52.133" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13238" PostId="6376" Score="4" Text="The problem with review queues is that I'm already annoyed and feel that I'm wasting my time with the garbage that I see on the main site. Community moderated queues mean that I would be *actively seeking out* low quality content with my time rather than answering questions. No thanks :)" CreationDate="2014-06-11T21:34:56.430" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="13239" PostId="6376" Score="13" Text=":( sniffles. I miss you :(" CreationDate="2014-06-11T21:47:24.337" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13245" PostId="6376" Score="0" Text="Regardless of one's immediate interest level, SF is still a great place to add missing entries to Google Runbook when a search fails you. It's the one case where our high page rankings give something back." CreationDate="2014-06-12T03:09:45.327" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13264" PostId="6376" Score="0" Text="This is a bad spiral.. I'm participating less in chat than before because I have less people to talk to about the specific stuff i work with. You leave, then I leave, then maybe someone else leaves because we leaved, and so on.. It's come to the point where I would actually consider paying some dollars a month if I could get my own, custom-made frontpage that _only_ shows the tags I want..." CreationDate="2014-06-12T18:02:18.573" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="13286" PostId="6376" Score="2" Text="@MDMarra: Could you expand on &quot;which is unfortunate since it gave me such a valuable kickstart to my career.&quot;. In particular, I'm curious how it gave you that kickstart, and what your general self assessment of your skills were at the time of your starting at SF, and at the time of starting to becoming inactive." CreationDate="2014-06-13T12:31:08.247" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="13287" PostId="6376" Score="7" Text="@Kyle when I joined SF 5 years ago, I was a green junior level sysadmin at a mid-sized university. Evan Anderson' early answers showed me how to put a compelling argument into writing. Folks like Chopper talked about challenges in gigantic environments that I didn't even know existed. Ed White gave valuable insight into how to accelerate career advancement. More experienced users like voretaq7 and many others hammered home that published best practices are there for a reason, and you don't understand every edge case that the vendor has taken into account." CreationDate="2014-06-13T12:37:42.047" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="13288" PostId="6376" Score="3" Text="And in top of that, I learned an awful lot from reading and participating in chat. But more importantly, all of these people taught me how to help myself, which is the most important skill. Now, I'm the technical lead at a Microsoft gold partner with 6 engineers working for me. My team and I are regularly brought in to consult for businesses grossing $1bn+ with presences across the world. So in a few short years, I've made gigantic strides in my career in no small part to the help from folks here. I suppose that's why I still drop by once a day, though I rarely answer. Hope that helps." CreationDate="2014-06-13T12:40:50.800" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="13290" PostId="6376" Score="1" Text="@MDMarra: I think it does, thanks for taking the time to respond" CreationDate="2014-06-13T12:46:00.443" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="13306" PostId="6376" Score="1" Text="This is sad. Really. I always want to listen to @MDMarra opinion when I came across an Active Directory problem. I'm not kidding. I'm really pleased with all the knowledge I've got with your replies, and because of them I've came across your blog. Take this as an incentive to stay here at Srvflt!" CreationDate="2014-06-16T06:01:55.263" UserId="127819" />
  <row Id="13327" PostId="6376" Score="4" Text="This reads very much like you are no longer participating not only because you lack the time to do so but also because the scope of your work has changed considerably and has outgrown the scope of [SF]. As you noted yourself, being a technical lead in an international consultancy is an entirely different job than being a university sysadmin. I believe it is not so much about [SF] changing but more about its senior users changing and expecting the site to follow - which is not happening." CreationDate="2014-06-18T09:04:31.560" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="13236" PostId="6377" Score="4" Text="We already have a review queue for [first posts](http://serverfault.com/review/first-posts/129012)." CreationDate="2014-06-11T21:05:24.343" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13237" PostId="6377" Score="2" Text="@MichaelHampton How about a second review queue for posts from new-ish users (not just their very first post) or users whose most recent posts haven't done well?" CreationDate="2014-06-11T21:17:23.803" UserId="7645" />
  <row Id="13242" PostId="6377" Score="4" Text="This effectively already exists, it's the front page." CreationDate="2014-06-11T22:52:49.563" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13240" PostId="6378" Score="0" Text="I appreciate the answer. Do you have an alternative idea?" CreationDate="2014-06-11T21:53:25.577" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13241" PostId="6378" Score="1" Text="An alternative idea to controlling the ingress of new questions? No, because I don't see this as a problem that requires a change to the way it's fixed." CreationDate="2014-06-11T22:01:20.670" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="13250" PostId="6378" Score="0" Text="No No, a resolution to [this problem](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6360/how-can-we-recruit-and-retain-more-talent)." CreationDate="2014-06-12T12:44:23.407" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13257" PostId="6379" Score="7" Text="I have to say that for someone who is trying to get people on our side and to reopen your question, that your tone and language is a little erm confrontational." CreationDate="2014-06-12T14:30:54.037" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13258" PostId="6379" Score="0" Text="Yes. since someone been busy scanning all my threads and voting them down. LOL. Anyway, question answered. I don't care if you close them down now." CreationDate="2014-06-12T14:32:16.793" UserId="63664" />
  <row Id="13265" PostId="6379" Score="2" Text="Word of advice: remember that this is a free community where you'd get answers to questions that you would end up paying a consultant to answer otherwise. Remember also that not everyone's perfect and may not have the same state of mind when reading your question and voting to close it. If others come across it and see no merit for the close reason, they can nominate it to be opened again." CreationDate="2014-06-12T18:52:38.803" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="13277" PostId="6379" Score="0" Text="yes.. that, they have.. but that behaviour of voting something they don't understand discourages the real experts to come and help, because the question is &quot;closed&quot; or &quot;on hold&quot;. People who don't understand should left alone a question they don't understand." CreationDate="2014-06-13T02:05:00.447" UserId="63664" />
  <row Id="13281" PostId="6379" Score="3" Text="Internet, arguing, etc. I think this has run its course." CreationDate="2014-06-13T05:59:28.400" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13247" PostId="6380" Score="0" Text="Yes, and as I have stated there, that they are resides at ou=People,dc=company,dc=com. I know how to read and scan LDAP tree, and I've transferred all other information from LDAP to Samba4, with exception being user/password list. Well, tried, transfer was successful, but passwords didn't work. &#xA;And yes, if it can't be done, people should say so rather than saying &quot;too broad&quot;. and &quot;can't be done&quot; only consists of 13 characters, and really don't understand, what's too broad for 13 characters. Thank you for you nominate it for reopening." CreationDate="2014-06-12T06:36:23.997" UserId="63664" />
  <row Id="13246" PostId="6381" Score="1" Text="I don't understand? What makes it too long for transfering user list and password? As far as I know, adding user and password in samba4 is a short as one liner:&#xA;samba-tool user add username password&#xA;and grabbing ldap user list is as short as another one liner ldapsearch command. Piping a reader and a writer should be another one liner, provided that username and password are readable. &#xA;&#xA;So, at most, the answer for my question should be a one liner, or 2 lines. &#xA;&#xA;Even if you should install a tool, it would only be additional yum or apt-get command, or git clone command, which is another 1 line." CreationDate="2014-06-12T06:27:36.870" UserId="63664" />
  <row Id="13248" PostId="6381" Score="3" Text="I don't know; but 5 people on the site thought it was too broad, so that's what happens. I don't pretend to know anything about the subject in question - what I did do was read the text that was presented in the close notice and inferred from that." CreationDate="2014-06-12T08:45:14.740" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="13251" PostId="6381" Score="0" Text="Well.. they don't know what they voted there. Gentlemen below and the one answered me there surely knows the answer pretty well.. You should warn people that voted down questions they have no knowledge about running loose" CreationDate="2014-06-12T12:58:36.637" UserId="63664" />
  <row Id="13252" PostId="6383" Score="0" Text="As I stated there, and IN BIG TITLE and in BODY, I only need to transfer user and password. I didn't ask you to transfer my address book entries, I didn't ask you how to add schemas, I didn't ask you how to encrypt NTPassword entries, and I definitely remember didn't ask any question about encrypting in SHA and NT. &#xA;Why do you want to answer anything that I didn't even ask in the first place? I only ask to transfer credential. Are you even read? As for what I've done, that would be &quot;too broad&quot; to answer here. You really want me to write a book of what I've done past 2 weeks? Ironic" CreationDate="2014-06-12T13:05:15.850" UserId="63664" />
  <row Id="13253" PostId="6383" Score="8" Text="You seem really mad at the free advice we offer here.  I will send you a cheque for a full refund." CreationDate="2014-06-12T13:10:41.817" UserId="108667" />
  <row Id="13254" PostId="6383" Score="0" Text="Yes.. I am mad.. And you offer no advice. People bully other people only because they don't know the answer or want to show off here by answering everything that they don't need to answer. You can rip off your cheque." CreationDate="2014-06-12T13:21:58.577" UserId="63664" />
  <row Id="13260" PostId="6383" Score="6" Text="@Rudy Advice or not, it's a fair observation. Grant was not being rude. You are." CreationDate="2014-06-12T15:31:02.243" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13261" PostId="6383" Score="0" Text="Yes I am. People who bash other people because they don't understand something. If you know nothing about some subject, STAY AWAY. Don't vote close only because you don't know anything about what's being asked." CreationDate="2014-06-12T16:11:50.640" UserId="63664" />
  <row Id="13262" PostId="6383" Score="6" Text="We may not all be LDAP experts but many of us are experts at spotting poor questions.  And quite frankly the attitude you are projecting is not a great way to encourage the ones who are LDAP experts to help." CreationDate="2014-06-12T16:55:28.077" UserId="108667" />
  <row Id="13275" PostId="6383" Score="0" Text="I don't think you EVER get it, do you?? The LDAP Experts KNOWS the answer, and knows that the answer is pretty straightforward and pretty quick. It is those non-expert attitude that discourage the real experts to come and help, but voting a legit question as non legit, because they don't know anything about it. People bash other people question because they are not the expert and can't understand the question? WTF is this?? My attitude is towards THOSE WHO DOESN'T KNOW THE QUESTION BUT ACTS LIKE THEY KNOW IT ALL. Like you. Anyway, it is answered, and reopened." CreationDate="2014-06-13T01:55:36.873" UserId="63664" />
  <row Id="13276" PostId="6383" Score="0" Text="If you still can't read or understand the question, the title alone without reading the message body, already suggest that I need to copy only uid, cn, sn, userPassword, sambaNTPassword and sambaLMPassword attributes part out of hundreds of other attributes and schemas to Samba AD. LDAP Experts should know what I mean. Non LDAP Experts may go to hell with that explanation" CreationDate="2014-06-13T01:59:45.480" UserId="63664" />
  <row Id="13278" PostId="6383" Score="4" Text="@Rudy You are leaving just as bad of an impression ([if not worse](http://serverfault.com/posts/604299/revisions)) as you're accusing others of, just for different reasons. All this sort of vitriol does is alienate those who might have otherwise agreed with you on some of these points. It certainly doesn't predispose anyone who is good with LDAP (hi) toward helping you in the future." CreationDate="2014-06-13T02:26:05.897" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13280" PostId="6383" Score="0" Text="No. But there are lots of those same kind of questions that are treated this way out there. Do you open on hold questions within your expertise? That what should be legit  questions will never get answered because those who don't understand a thing about that question voted as non legit. And those who understands the questions won't answer because they don't open those questions." CreationDate="2014-06-13T03:01:37.240" UserId="63664" />
  <row Id="13293" PostId="6384" Score="3" Text="+1; the very reason I'm practically inactive here these days. It's like the BOFH part of sys admins is released when even so much of a hint of 'home', 'linksys', 'WAMP' is added to what would otherwise be a perfectly good question. 'Professional' is subjective, 'WAMP' might not be considered professional to most here (myself included FWIW), but it is to some professionals, and we've all used it, so why not allow it?   ...and don't get me started on the taboo subject of licensing, 'cause sys admins don't need to know about that do they? =sarcasm alert=" CreationDate="2014-06-13T15:59:04.160" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="13322" PostId="6384" Score="3" Text="@Bryan - That's been debated ad nausum in meta and the community has come to the consensus that 'home' and 'linksys' already have a better place on SU and that WAMP is probably better served on SO as a development tool. I haven't worked with a WAMP one-click installer or a Linksys product &quot;professionally&quot; in five years and consequently  don't know much about them. I don't think I'm alone in that respect." CreationDate="2014-06-17T16:45:11.093" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="13339" PostId="6384" Score="0" Text="@Christopher Karel: I seem to recall that using XP as a server was even against Microsoft's EULA..." CreationDate="2014-06-22T13:55:13.870" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="13340" PostId="6384" Score="0" Text="@Bryan: Licensing questions are explicitly off-topic (Look at the help center). I'm happy to answer licensing questions, but the community decided that they are not welcome here, so I usually VTC them." CreationDate="2014-06-22T13:56:08.487" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="13344" PostId="6384" Score="1" Text="@kce they're just examples, it's the principle. Perfectly good questions are too often kaiboshed just because there is one irrelevant circumstance mentioned that makes it 'offtopic'." CreationDate="2014-06-22T22:04:29.767" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="13345" PostId="6384" Score="0" Text="@MichelZ Yes, I realise that, and did respect the community decision and have also VTC such questions as a result. I utterly disagree with the reasons given for them not being welcome here however. I did threaten to raise a meta topic on the subject, but that fell by the wayside when I became less active on SF." CreationDate="2014-06-22T22:04:52.670" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="13282" PostId="6385" Score="4" Text="That anyone can get a VPS is very much to our detriment we don't though need to pander to them." CreationDate="2014-06-13T06:59:51.203" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13292" PostId="6385" Score="2" Text="@Iain Agreed. But I am just stating the reality of the tech world out there. I know that with my 20+ years experience I know how to do things others can’t, but the idea that my simply understanding how to just login to a terminal is viewed as “magic” to professional “admins” is something I can barely comprehend." CreationDate="2014-06-13T14:39:46.180" UserId="100013" />
  <row Id="13294" PostId="6385" Score="0" Text="I've read your comment several times now and get as far as `but the idea` then ENOPARSE." CreationDate="2014-06-13T16:18:40.000" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13295" PostId="6385" Score="0" Text="@Iain Okay. Then I am not too sure what else to say.  Have a great day!" CreationDate="2014-06-13T16:19:41.323" UserId="100013" />
  <row Id="13296" PostId="6385" Score="0" Text="I really would like to understand your comment" CreationDate="2014-06-13T16:23:01.560" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13297" PostId="6385" Score="2" Text="@Iain What I mean is with 20+ years of experience, I know how to do things others don’t. But nowadays I can simply open up a Linux terminal, type in `top` and show someone who claims to be a an “admin” the output of `top` and their jaw drops like I am Neo in the Matrix. What I mean is the bar is much lower for “skilled techs” to the point of face palming in ways I never expected." CreationDate="2014-06-13T16:25:33.453" UserId="100013" />
  <row Id="13307" PostId="6385" Score="0" Text="The IT industry is rapidly going the way of the 'google-tech'. A marginal level of technical ability coupled with being able to type error messages into Google. I have worked places where you cannot do that, and it requires a much higher level of technical understanding, because you need to be able to troubleshoot from first principles. I'm not sure I'd want to go back to that either though, because for every 'google it; then post on serverfault' tech support, there's plenty who use it to boostrap their learning." CreationDate="2014-06-16T09:02:43.550" UserId="216511" />
  <row Id="13332" PostId="6385" Score="2" Text="@Sobrique Yeah, it cuts both ways for sure. I go out of my way to post self-answered questions here on SF in response to problems that are obtuse to troubleshoot. The Google Runbook is great and all, but it's never a substitute for a solid core skillset. The problem is people being hired or moved into positions by people who either don't understand this, or have the ability to adequately evaluate their skill level. (which is totally a management problem)" CreationDate="2014-06-18T16:17:59.127" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13342" PostId="6385" Score="1" Text="(&quot;haw droppingly&quot; -&gt; &quot;jaw droppingly&quot;. &quot;if canned&quot; -&gt; &quot;of canned&quot;. &quot;if valued skills&quot; -&gt; &quot;of valued skills&quot;.)" CreationDate="2014-06-22T19:15:33.823" UserId="5144" />
  <row Id="13343" PostId="6385" Score="0" Text="@PeterMortensen Thanks for the copy editing tips!" CreationDate="2014-06-22T20:46:26.110" UserId="100013" />
  <row Id="13320" PostId="6386" Score="0" Text="I see 1659 landed overnight - thanks for sorting this out." CreationDate="2014-06-17T06:28:33.677" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13304" PostId="6387" Score="1" Text="`I also find that unless I spend a certain amount of time on the site, someone else answers the questions I would have answered first.  (HopelessN00b, I'm lookin' at you, ha ha.)` Ha!  Right back at ya.  Great minds answer alike and all that, right? :)" CreationDate="2014-06-15T23:40:09.757" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13321" PostId="6387" Score="7" Text="We miss you, too!" CreationDate="2014-06-17T12:21:09.373" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13346" PostId="6387" Score="1" Text="Similar situation for me, except add to it that we had a kid, too. I keep telling myself I'll get into a regular groove with the site again but life circumstances keep getting in the way. (I keep lamenting to my wife that I'm &quot;losing on Server Fault&quot;. &gt;sigh&lt;)" CreationDate="2014-06-23T07:13:00.753" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="13302" PostId="6388" Score="1" Text="Your statement about cron is demonstrably not true. Your statement about crappy tools is demonstrably not true. Your statement about formatting errors is demonstrably not true... . Ok so I guess you're being a bit melodramatic bit all this really does is cast doubt upon the veracity of the rest of your thoughts." CreationDate="2014-06-15T21:16:58.147" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13303" PostId="6388" Score="2" Text="I'm exaggerating lots, but there are questions I see in the close queue that appear to be there for no reason other than one (maybe two) of those abovementioned.  Happily, it requires five people to agree to make a bad choice, but if we don't talk about it, 5 people might well so concur." CreationDate="2014-06-15T21:57:28.683" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="13305" PostId="6388" Score="1" Text="I think you are exaggerating, and it hurts your argument.  There is certainly some truth in what you say, but given the flood of crap we get, I think it's pretty understandable that people around here are a bit quick to jump to the conclusion that something is crap based on it doing one of the things you mention above that make it look like crap, if you're not looking too closely." CreationDate="2014-06-16T00:35:08.710" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13308" PostId="6389" Score="0" Text="Exactly what happens when you attempt to start a bounty?" CreationDate="2014-06-16T12:32:46.013" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13309" PostId="6389" Score="0" Text="I don't see an option to create a bounty." CreationDate="2014-06-16T12:54:03.097" UserId="224081" />
  <row Id="13314" PostId="6389" Score="0" Text="Possibly-Related: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234095/can-we-move-start-a-bounty-to-a-more-intuitive-location" CreationDate="2014-06-16T15:32:06.810" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13310" PostId="6390" Score="0" Text="Even if i unaccept the answer, still i don't see an option to create a bounty." CreationDate="2014-06-16T12:54:38.540" UserId="224081" />
  <row Id="13313" PostId="6392" Score="1" Text="(I also think it's a bug that you can't have more than one bounty active - it's especially annoying when I want to put a 500-point bounty on something but it already has a dinky 50 point bounty on it - but that's the way the system currently works.)" CreationDate="2014-06-16T15:24:49.563" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13318" PostId="6392" Score="0" Text="I'm not able to see the link. I think squillman's answer is correct. I'll need atleast 100 reputation to be able to create another bounty. Thanks for your answer though :)" CreationDate="2014-06-17T04:31:52.540" UserId="224081" />
  <row Id="13319" PostId="6392" Score="1" Text="@KanishkDudeja Indeed it is! I didn't realize that original bounty was from you :-)" CreationDate="2014-06-17T05:11:37.497" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13317" PostId="6393" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your answer. :)" CreationDate="2014-06-17T04:31:07.100" UserId="224081" />
  <row Id="13352" PostId="6395" Score="2" Text="I'm off to make a question with that tag now... :evilgrin:" CreationDate="2014-06-23T19:12:21.990" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13323" PostId="6396" Score="0" Text="+1, for `...those rare and tasty upvotes...`" CreationDate="2014-06-17T22:19:20.980" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13324" PostId="6396" Score="2" Text="You're spot on when it comes to subjective-good. There are so many times I'm thinking about posting an interesting architectural design question, and then I scrap it in fear of people closing it as too broad etc. It's almost like I wish we had a meta of some sort that allowed long, open-ended questions with lots of discussion." CreationDate="2014-06-17T22:38:00.093" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="13325" PostId="6396" Score="0" Text="@pauska We used to have community wikis which were supposed to fulfill that role to some extent." CreationDate="2014-06-17T22:41:41.910" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="13326" PostId="6396" Score="0" Text="Your example good-subjective questions all seem pretty answerable, I wouldn't think they should be closed.." CreationDate="2014-06-17T22:43:16.830" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="13328" PostId="6397" Score="1" Text="I ask a lot of questions. Not quite sure why others don't." CreationDate="2014-06-18T13:36:42.727" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13329" PostId="6397" Score="0" Text="Great Idea. I also ask questions but I don't take the time to ask questions I can answer, i.e. those things you figure out after working on for hours on end. I think if the core community does that more we would attract more talent via search engine, b/c those are the people who would actually take time to *google* the problem first, should they run into the same problem." CreationDate="2014-06-18T13:46:06.590" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13330" PostId="6397" Score="0" Text="Oh yeah, and @ewwhite didn't upvote this answer. Vote or Die!" CreationDate="2014-06-18T13:46:25.930" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13333" PostId="6397" Score="0" Text="I'm [certainly not biased or anything](http://serverfault.com/users/152073/andrew-b?tab=questions), but I agree with you on the self-answering bit. If you come across an extremely obtuse problem (or simply one that you've had to explain to others), by all means share the solution. Adding high quality answers to the Google Runbook *can and should* draw the right people to the site. Yes, our Google rankings also bring in many of the people we don't want, but it's the easiest way to market ourselves to our target audience -- smart people who are struggling with issues of that level of complexity." CreationDate="2014-06-18T16:32:25.227" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13338" PostId="6397" Score="0" Text="I think you do have a fair point with the self-answering bit. As to *why* I don't post questions here: I usually spend a good amount of time researching the problem at hand on my own before I ask a community for help. And it happens that I usually find the answer myself :)" CreationDate="2014-06-22T13:44:22.067" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="13335" PostId="6398" Score="0" Text="This is unlikely to work. While a number of people might be incentivized by the prospect of earning $1,48 for an answer which took them half an hour to research and write, they probably are the wrong kind of people to keep this site a valuable resource." CreationDate="2014-06-20T10:58:27.943" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="13336" PostId="6398" Score="0" Text="@syneticon-dj I think that you severely underestimate the amount of money that is being made. The Internet says that the average revenue per 1k impressions in IT is $4.50, that's not counting much higher revenue via click-throughs and finally conversions (conversions can net hundreds per). I also believe that you are incorrect about those who answer, those who answer know the answer, they don't need to research it and they don't answer the questions they don't know the answer to.  This site is not an open source project, there's no altruism here, it's for big profit off of your work." CreationDate="2014-06-20T14:18:48.273" UserId="79367" />
  <row Id="13337" PostId="6398" Score="0" Text="Well, [here](http://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/202951) is a query with an average view count for [SF] questions. At the moment, we average at 1,211 views (or $5.45). I can tell from personal experience that most answers indeed *do* need research to cite sources, documentation, include pictures or even look up markdown syntax. While I am aware that profit is being made off the content generated here, any sysadmin knows that infrastructure is not paying for itself. For me personally, it looks sufficiently balanced not to start feeling ripped off." CreationDate="2014-06-20T14:58:43.187" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="13347" PostId="6400" Score="4" Text="You speak the *Truth*." CreationDate="2014-06-23T16:00:14.800" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13348" PostId="6400" Score="0" Text="The reason for a downvote is never going to fly, and has been shot down repeatedly in mSO/mSE.  I think that's a good thing.  If I had to drop a comment on every downvote they'd all look pretty close to `I downvoted your question/answer because it was shit.`  And frankly, telling someone why you downvoted their grabber never helps, and usually just leads to them getting butthurt and arguing in comments and flags flying all over the place." CreationDate="2014-06-23T16:46:54.203" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13349" PostId="6400" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b I guess I should have clarified the down vote because I did think along the same lines as your comment when I devil's advocated my own comment.  The reason would have to be something constructive and not a comment that can be flagged or create arguing.  It can even be anonymous.  I have had an answer down voted before and have no idea why.  The general consensus and foundation of SE is for the betterment of the group by revolving around teaching as opposed to the &quot;gimmie da codez&quot; mentality, yet we repress the teaching by down voting without reason.  It is counter productive." CreationDate="2014-06-23T17:28:35.650" UserId="167653" />
  <row Id="13350" PostId="6400" Score="0" Text="I do get it though, there are just flat out crap questions and answers but some times a quick one liner explaining the reason is enough and other times it isn't.  &quot;How do I write a batch file&quot; can simply be down voted (really flagged) and answered with &quot;Google search it.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-06-23T17:30:19.083" UserId="167653" />
  <row Id="13353" PostId="6400" Score="0" Text="+1, i think i agree with everything in this answer, which is almost unheard of ;-) The 'i came, i joined' section in particular is exactly my experience also." CreationDate="2014-06-24T03:04:05.230" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="13383" PostId="6400" Score="0" Text="Just to add to this as a comment.  There is some inconsistency on what we close or don't close.  I still have general confusion on what is or isn't a good question to ask.  Some examples:  http://serverfault.com/questions/608149/version-of-ios-for-cisco-2900-series  &lt;-- not closed.  closed --&gt;  http://serverfault.com/questions/607680/cant-rdp-from-vlan-to-main-network-using-main-routers-external-ip" CreationDate="2014-06-26T16:18:44.273" UserId="167653" />
  <row Id="13355" PostId="6402" Score="2" Text="Also, due to the speed of how quickly stuff moves in the IT world, information goes out of date quickly. There's no point providing out-of-date information or info for much older versions (MS knowledge base, I'm looking at you.)" CreationDate="2014-06-24T13:01:25.837" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="13356" PostId="6402" Score="3" Text="Learning isn't bad, allowing questions about what to read to learn is.  Important distinction there." CreationDate="2014-06-24T13:02:27.947" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13376" PostId="6402" Score="1" Text="@tombull89 I agree that parts of MS's documentation would benefit from making finding equivalent information for other versions easier, but knowledge base articles on legacy software retain value until the last people stop using them." CreationDate="2014-06-24T17:35:02.110" UserId="34835" />
  <row Id="17560" PostId="6402" Score="0" Text="Let me link to my answer that helps define shopping questions here on SF http://meta.serverfault.com/a/6488/7861 that may help to some extent." CreationDate="2015-04-11T05:04:11.897" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13357" PostId="6403" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't describe VPNs as 'the basics'.  Increasingly common, yes, and once one has a secure understanding of levels, routing and all that jazz (which of course I have), not to hard to understand.  But I wouldn't class them as basic (but each to their own)." CreationDate="2014-06-24T13:10:04.340" UserId="160381" />
  <row Id="13361" PostId="6403" Score="5" Text="@NormanGray I wouldn't even consider hiring a SysAdmin who didn't know how to setup at least one kind of VPN. They are well within &quot;the basic&quot;, heck PPTP VPNs were covered in one of my college classes. Also, when in doubt, animal books." CreationDate="2014-06-24T13:32:30.407" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13365" PostId="6403" Score="0" Text="Well... perhaps you're right about 'basic'. My experience of the animal books is that they're better than the average, but still tend to provide too much detail (which goes out of date), and which in any case is better learned from manpages." CreationDate="2014-06-24T14:06:49.327" UserId="160381" />
  <row Id="13359" PostId="6404" Score="0" Text="But the two most useful resources I found (quoted in the question) date from 2006 and 2009: that's 'becoming obsolete' on a rather slower timescale than most answers on serverfault.  In any case, it's clear that suggesting a change would be pointless, so I'm simply interested in the _why_." CreationDate="2014-06-24T13:18:46.253" UserId="160381" />
  <row Id="13358" PostId="6405" Score="2" Text="The problem with paper books is that they're typically padded with detail which, because it concerns specific products, dates quickly.  And a lot of computing books are particularly bad for thinking that 'more pages' == 'better', hence more trees than wood.  There's not a lot to understand about VPNs, but the core set of ideas interrelate slightly intricately, and that's what it's hard to find out about." CreationDate="2014-06-24T13:15:54.307" UserId="160381" />
  <row Id="13360" PostId="6405" Score="0" Text="You asked for &quot;compact overview of VPNs&quot; then asked for &quot;what is the structure of the VPN space&quot; then your thought out loud with &quot;where does IPsec fit into this jigsaw, I ask myself, or L2TP? Where does authentication fit in?&quot;.  You are asking questions that could only possibly be answered by a book written specifically for VPN.  The detail and breadth of the answers would be much too large for this medium.  You have books strictly dedicated to IPSec and VPN.  L2TP and VPN." CreationDate="2014-06-24T13:25:15.677" UserId="167653" />
  <row Id="13362" PostId="6405" Score="0" Text="But if I want to read about IPsec or L2TP in a little more detail, I'd start with RFCs 4301 and 3931, and references therein. It's the framework into which they fit that's hard to find, because most information online (including on serverfault) is about specific problems with specific products. And the question wasn't for an explanation here, but for a pointer to known-good overviews elsewhere (&quot;this made it clear to me&quot;). In fact the OpenBSD document (as usual) was about right, though a little concerned with detail, and reassured me I'd already got the landscape about right." CreationDate="2014-06-24T13:38:35.303" UserId="160381" />
  <row Id="13363" PostId="6407" Score="0" Text="Sure, I take that general point, which is precisely why I made clear in the question that I already know how a VPN works in principle, what (I thought) was weak about the Wikipedia article, and why the existing questions and answers here weren't addressing the problem. I intended to indicate also why book-length resources weren't useful, but I don't think I communicated that well. *But* my question (and your answer) is about the general category rather than my specific question, so this comment may not be relevant." CreationDate="2014-06-24T13:49:27.500" UserId="160381" />
  <row Id="13364" PostId="6407" Score="0" Text="Yeah I tried to generalize as much as possible since you asked a great general question for meta, imho. I have to admit I didn't ready your original question though" CreationDate="2014-06-24T13:55:07.847" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13366" PostId="6407" Score="0" Text="Heh: I tend to go with my hard-won Usenet intuitions for (technical) questions. But since we're now (gasp!) into the third decade of Eternal September, that may be wearing thin...." CreationDate="2014-06-24T14:41:10.437" UserId="160381" />
  <row Id="17348" PostId="6407" Score="0" Text="I have to disagree with the &quot;beginners are encouraged&quot; as well as &quot;asking questions without researching first is not respecting someone's time&quot;  to the first, I long ago stopped recommending new admins go to SF as a source of answers because the questions they were asking kept getting shunted to SF or rejected.  As far as wasting time- which is less respectful &quot;wasting&quot; your time with a question you know the answer to off the top of your head or making one spend an hour &quot;researching&quot; a topic that you could have simply answered in potentially minutes- I find the latter far more disrespectful" CreationDate="2015-04-06T18:45:40.197" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="17349" PostId="6407" Score="1" Text="One can be an expert system administrator without knowing every product a system administrator may need to touch. I don't think the questions asked by an expert system administrator about a product completely new to him would bother other experts. Questions fitting that criteria would likely be much higher quality than those written by a person with no system administrator experience whatsoever, but they may still be very basic." CreationDate="2015-04-06T18:49:56.550" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17351" PostId="6407" Score="0" Text="@JimB you're assuming that googling something to that someone else  knows the answer to already would typically take an hour, when that may or may not be true. Also, I've said nothing regarding beginners and researching first that isn't in the [help documentation](http://serverfault.com/help/how-to-ask). I asked my first question [on the network](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14861933/net-gui-not-displaying-in-winpe) after searching through to the bowels on the internet (yes, for hours) and not finding anything relevant." CreationDate="2015-04-06T19:26:56.790" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17352" PostId="6407" Score="0" Text="This was a very specific topic and if someone knew the answer off the top of their head (to be specific this was very new technology so very little was available on the 'net but I did my due diligence anyway) then we've done the internet a great service, as it wasn't readily searchable until then. However, no one offered an answer, but I didn't give up, eventually when I found the answer I posted it myself, thus contributing to the 'cause. Jim, I can't speak for everyone, but a lot of long-timers (I don't count myself in that group, but I feel the same way) on SF are tired of the low quality" CreationDate="2015-04-06T19:27:39.563" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17353" PostId="6407" Score="0" Text="questions being asked here in general, it's much easier to go to google and type in a question and search than it is to create an account here, post a question, wait for someone to spoon feed you an answer. We don't have to look too hard for examples of that. I do stand by my answer though in that most here don't shun n00bs, nobody shunned me, but then again I read the faq first, so maybe that's it." CreationDate="2015-04-06T19:27:45.917" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17376" PostId="6407" Score="0" Text="Here is a perfect example, http://serverfault.com/questions/680490/correct-way-to-automatically-configure-windows-virtual-machines .  Clearly I don't think that there would be disagreement that this is an enterprise admin task, looking at the question there is a long explanation of what was done and how best to proceed, based on what he knows, and yet, not only was question put on hold for not demonstrate reasonable business information technology management practice &quot;," CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:51:51.583" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="17418" PostId="6407" Score="0" Text="(somehow the completion comment didn't post) But in frustration the op asked to have it deleted.  This user used what he knew and asked a reasonable question.  Because he didn't know (and actually asked) what he should be using - he was downvoted." CreationDate="2015-04-10T14:35:34.510" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="13367" PostId="6408" Score="1" Text="+1, for ask and answer the question yourself and make SF the focus for learning. Also, I've came across the SO C++ book list, EE I believe has something similar. If it were a *single* Book question personally I wouldn't be opposed to it, but It'd have to be all inclusive for every tech, not a question for VPN, a question for Windows Server, a question for Exchange, a Question for RHEL, all for books, that's insane. That might not be bad, but if no one wants to curate them then that's a different matter." CreationDate="2014-06-24T14:53:33.297" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13368" PostId="6408" Score="0" Text="However, the answer on SO for that question has only been edited 12 times in 5.5 years, which strikes me as weird because the question itself has been edited *90+* times." CreationDate="2014-06-24T14:54:25.387" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13369" PostId="6408" Score="0" Text="@BigHomie That question has also been locked, unlocked, had people *edit answers into the question*, had multiple answers over its life, etc. -- it's a damn mess, and the war the SO C++ community has had to fight to keep it from degrading into a total clusterfuck is part of why we decided not to allow that sort of thing here. Sysadmins are ***WAY*** too lazy to curate a question like that. (We have [exactly one](http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel) that I can think of))" CreationDate="2014-06-24T15:01:56.910" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13370" PostId="6408" Score="0" Text="I can't say I'm persuaded, but +1 for a very direct answer to the question. The 'canonical answers' are interesting and surely useful (thanks), but could perhaps be better signposted on the [faq tag](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/tagged/faq) page: perhaps &quot;Here are some canonical questions and answers&quot; would be a better title to [this question](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1986/) (I examined the faq tag before and didn't register this as a useful link to follow). Also, having a link to the FAQ on the front page would be useful, but I appreciate that might need SE cooperation." CreationDate="2014-06-24T15:24:10.613" UserId="160381" />
  <row Id="13371" PostId="6408" Score="1" Text="@NormanGray The concept of &quot;canonical questions and answers&quot; isn't well supported by the Stack Exchange system. We've talked about adding a [tag:canonical] tag to these in the past on the main site to help people discover them." CreationDate="2014-06-24T15:30:02.343" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13372" PostId="6408" Score="0" Text="Hmm: that canonical questions page is also linked from the [on-topic](http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic) page, rather obviously in retrospect. I'm wondering why I didn't register that when I read that page before (it wouldn't have answered my question, but I would have been pleased to find that). All I can think is that 'common questions' isn't the magic word: 'frequently asked questions' is magic." CreationDate="2014-06-24T15:30:48.577" UserId="160381" />
  <row Id="13373" PostId="6408" Score="0" Text="@NormanGray If you would like to propose some wording changes to the on-topic page (or other parts of the help center) open up a separate meta discussion - we can edit those pages, but editing them generates a lot of back-end notifications to the Stack Exchange community team, so we like to edit them infrequently and make sure we get the changes right the first time..." CreationDate="2014-06-24T15:32:33.477" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13374" PostId="6408" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 [done](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6409/).  I've tagged it 'feature-request', rather arbitrarily." CreationDate="2014-06-24T16:15:21.157" UserId="160381" />
  <row Id="13375" PostId="6409" Score="0" Text="I support the idea, but I would advise you not get your hopes up.  We rewrote our FAQ a while back, and it was the mother of all clusterf**ks, on top of taking *forever* to get approved from the SE folks.  I believe that rewriting the help pages and such is the same process, so there's not a whole of enthusiasm for going through that again among the people involved in the FAQ rewrite (and who would probably be the majority of the pool of candidates to spearhead a help rewrite project as well)." CreationDate="2014-06-24T16:27:06.200" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13377" PostId="6409" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b We no longer require intervention from the Stack Exchange team to edit (most of the content in) the help center. They get notified of changes and review them, but the process is MUCH more streamlined than it was back when we did the initial rewrite." CreationDate="2014-06-25T03:11:03.160" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13378" PostId="6409" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b I was merely asked to log the issues in a question rather than in a comment. What happens with them is up to you – it's your website." CreationDate="2014-06-25T09:22:10.977" UserId="160381" />
  <row Id="13379" PostId="6412" Score="1" Text="Sir Humphrey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO, MA (Oxon) would be prod of this :)" CreationDate="2014-06-25T10:28:41.813" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13380" PostId="6412" Score="1" Text="&lt;grin&gt; why thank you, Minister!" CreationDate="2014-06-25T10:31:14.567" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13384" PostId="6415" Score="1" Text="I think this is more an issue with the `diff` tool than markdown itself..." CreationDate="2014-06-26T21:30:40.647" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="13382" PostId="6416" Score="0" Text="Question is edited and it  has an answer now. Hope question is clear now." CreationDate="2014-06-26T14:33:04.433" UserId="226820" />
  <row Id="13389" PostId="6418" Score="4" Text="I had never seen the voting records page before.  Boy, am I surprised!" CreationDate="2014-06-30T08:55:48.653" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13402" PostId="6418" Score="2" Text="While a checkmark implies some guarantees that the answer is correct, it's not a certainty. Also fixing (obvious) spelling or formatting issues is very easy, but reading the whole answer and decide if it's worth a vote is not so easy. Especially if it's not quite my area of expertise and the answer doesn't provide sufficient explanations." CreationDate="2014-06-30T16:17:47.653" UserId="4276" />
  <row Id="13403" PostId="6418" Score="0" Text="@CristianCiupitu you are not within the group of people this question is targeted at but your voting record is erm yeah." CreationDate="2014-06-30T16:48:03.373" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13414" PostId="6418" Score="1" Text="BTW @Iain - this is how I feel when I get notifications of a &quot;popular question or answer&quot;.  1k views and only 1 or 2 votes?  I know there's a lot of anonymous viewers but still..." CreationDate="2014-07-02T14:15:36.453" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13427" PostId="6418" Score="4" Text="@TheCleaner I think that people have forgotten that voting is community verification of the answers. Right now I don't think ServerFault is much better than a a random blog on the internet." CreationDate="2014-07-02T18:57:01.553" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13443" PostId="6418" Score="1" Text="I first read the title as &quot;On the paucity of vomiting&quot; and thought &quot;Well this will be refreshingly unique!&quot; I clicked and am now disappointed." CreationDate="2014-07-06T02:29:15.477" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="13386" PostId="6419" Score="9" Text="`Which means i can't really upvote the answer as i don't know that it's correct.` - this is my reason too. I upvote stuff that I can be reasonably sure is correct, but there are so many silos of information in sysadmining that I only only my tiny little section of the world." CreationDate="2014-06-29T21:46:28.603" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="13387" PostId="6419" Score="4" Text="I mostly agree with you guys, but I also upvote answers which look like they could be helpful, and which are well written, even if I don't know if they *solve* the problem, I think they still deserve an upvote." CreationDate="2014-06-30T05:33:21.500" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="13388" PostId="6419" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't have put you in the group that this question is aimed at, thanks for your answer. I agree about wading through stuff you don't want to see it's less than useful. If you learn something then you are presumably accepting the truth of an answer as is or are confirming it's veracity independently - isn't that worth voting on ?" CreationDate="2014-06-30T06:18:59.003" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13392" PostId="6421" Score="0" Text="Yes, I'm not talking about you however, this doesn't answer the question I asked. I really do want to find out why people who obviously spend a lot of time here don't bother to vote." CreationDate="2014-06-30T10:05:23.600" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13393" PostId="6422" Score="1" Text="Do you mean [What are the canonical answers we've discovered over the years?](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1986/what-are-the-canonical-answers-weve-discovered-over-the-years?rq=1) as Community Wiki seems to have died a death." CreationDate="2014-06-30T10:15:35.340" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="13394" PostId="6422" Score="0" Text="@tombull89 CW is back in [vogue](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2014/04/putting-the-community-back-in-wiki/)" CreationDate="2014-06-30T10:20:26.107" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13398" PostId="6422" Score="0" Text="The Community Wiki is back, but I'm not sure about being &quot;in vogue&quot;. CWs are mostly ancient crap, most of which shouldn't be Wikis. The Canonical Q&amp;As are our best source of good information." CreationDate="2014-06-30T14:22:28.043" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13395" PostId="6423" Score="0" Text="these work a treat thanks for that :)" CreationDate="2014-06-30T11:17:26.230" UserId="228555" />
  <row Id="17859" PostId="6423" Score="0" Text="@lain Why to make things complicated when it could be simpler ? Sysadmins in there should just add a quick shortcut with a &quot;wiki&quot; button, just like &quot;Questions&quot; &quot;Tags&quot; &quot;Users&quot; etc... are" CreationDate="2015-05-02T18:06:52.403" UserId="201677" />
  <row Id="13396" PostId="6424" Score="0" Text="What prompted this question is something I have noticed recently, and I think you have to get to fairly low levels of voting to notice it is this. An answer will be provided early on in the BST/CET day and it may attract an upvote. later in the day there will be more activity and the people who provided that activity (an edit, a comment etc) will have known that the answer was correct but they didn't upvote it. I'm trying to find out why a correct answer with (perhaps) a single upvote wasn't worth a second or a third. What is it about SF that makes people, so stingy with their votes?" CreationDate="2014-06-30T14:06:37.710" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13397" PostId="6424" Score="0" Text="I can be reasonably confident that the people who provide the activity didn't provide the original upvote because they will most likely have been asleep." CreationDate="2014-06-30T14:09:20.447" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13399" PostId="6424" Score="0" Text="@Iain - in that regards, I see no reason not to vote.  Hopefully it wasn't me, but going forward I will definitely be diligent in that regard.  If you have taken the time to edit or comment then yeah, you should be voting on that question/answer IMO." CreationDate="2014-06-30T14:48:01.653" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13400" PostId="6424" Score="0" Text="It is several people probably quite a lot. I don't know if you do it, we don't inhabit the same tags." CreationDate="2014-06-30T15:08:30.323" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13401" PostId="6424" Score="1" Text="Gotcha, and I don't think it is &quot;stingy with their votes&quot; but laziness.  I doubt they are holding onto their votes like Scrooge McDuck.  If they are in chat, call them out on it!  We could use the drama!" CreationDate="2014-06-30T15:11:17.603" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13405" PostId="6425" Score="0" Text="Ok so that may seem a bit harsh but your answer isn't really what I'm looking for. With regard to duplicates, search and the ability to find them is a complete mess which does need to be resolved. You may be interested in http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/232242/help-us-find-duplicates-efficiently and it's linked/related Q&amp;A" CreationDate="2014-06-30T19:12:43.630" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13406" PostId="6425" Score="0" Text="I've updated my answers to give more specifics.  However, I still think that duplicate content lowers user engagement.  If you could funnel all of the questions about a specific issue into a great Q&amp;A, I would be more likely to vote on that great information." CreationDate="2014-06-30T20:49:45.450" UserId="35258" />
  <row Id="13408" PostId="6425" Score="0" Text="Like @Sirex I wouldn't have put someone with such a low participation in the group that this was aimed at so thanks for your answer. Why don't you vote when there is an accepted answer ? I can understand not up voting a question which is trivially answered by reading the docs (I'm he same), but why is the answer provided not worth voting on ?" CreationDate="2014-07-01T07:17:34.467" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13411" PostId="6425" Score="1" Text="I basically see voting as recommending an answer to a user where the question has been unanswered.  Once the user accepts and answer, I don't see much reason to vote.  Why participate if the contest is over.  Perhaps it is a wrong headed view about what voting means but I doubt I'm alone in this view." CreationDate="2014-07-01T16:17:08.237" UserId="35258" />
  <row Id="13413" PostId="6425" Score="1" Text="Yes I think you may have it wrong then. The checkmark is (usually but not always) the OP saying this is what worked for me. The voting is community oversight. Without it we're really no better than a random blog on the internet. Remember, we're not just here for the OP, we're here for all the peopel with the same problem who arrive via google. The voting is or t least should be, an indication to then that the community thought the answer was good." CreationDate="2014-07-01T21:54:28.513" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13428" PostId="6425" Score="0" Text="@iain out of curiosity, what's your metric for participation ?" CreationDate="2014-07-02T19:48:39.107" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="13429" PostId="6425" Score="0" Text="@Sirex The only publicly available information is reputation and voting records as supplied under the user stats. SE have said on several occasions that there is a strong correlation between reputation and time spent on site. So to gain rep/vote that's a measure of participation so low rep + long membership = lower participation and high rep + short membership is higher participation with a spectrum in between. This question really was aimed at the latter group who like their voting are conspicuously absent." CreationDate="2014-07-02T20:09:31.630" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13433" PostId="6425" Score="0" Text="tbh i'm not convinced that's really enough information to draw conclusions from as most people's participation would vary over time surely ? I know mine definitely dropped hugely after about the first year or so. The answer I put is more or less why that occurred for me, and perhaps others too." CreationDate="2014-07-03T19:52:48.237" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="13407" PostId="6426" Score="5" Text="On the last paragraph of your &quot;Answers&quot; section. I sure hope this isn't truly holding you back from voting. As you say, they're stupid points. If you see one of the regulars give a clunker of an answer, slap a dv on that sucker and tell them why. Chris S did just that to an incorrect answer I made earlier today, and I'm very glad he did it. Don't worry about alienating me or anyone else. Do what's right for the site, and all will be elevated because of it." CreationDate="2014-07-01T00:47:22.917" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="13409" PostId="6426" Score="2" Text="Just vote as you see fit and if that makes a regular sit up and think so be it. TBH most of the regulars (at which this question is aimed and who are being shy at coming forward) either wouldn't notice a DV or would go and investigate and improve/withdraw as required. I can't say I've ever seen a regular get truly irritated by a DV either. Don't let someone 'beating you to it' put you off either IME your answers are usually more vote-worthy than others and will over time accrue more votes." CreationDate="2014-07-01T07:27:16.750" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13410" PostId="6426" Score="2" Text="Addressing points 5/6 in the *Resolutions* section, you might conside the virtues of tabbed browers.  My standard technique for dealing with queues is to middle-click on each question, to open it in a new browser tab.  I then review the question in that tab, where it gets a whole screenful as you want, up/downvote if I see fit, and make a decision about closure.  I then close the tab, which returns me to the queue tab, and vote accordingly.  Lather, rinse, repeat - and it adds about half a second per question." CreationDate="2014-07-01T07:46:45.100" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13412" PostId="6428" Score="2" Text="This doesn't answer the questions I asked.CW is the same as it was and it's not an issue here." CreationDate="2014-07-01T20:11:20.560" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13450" PostId="6428" Score="1" Text="Also, the Auto-CW thing has been disabled. Once a Post hits that tripwire it's flagged for Mod review, but nothing else." CreationDate="2014-07-09T15:05:22.293" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13460" PostId="6428" Score="0" Text="Really? That's the best news I've ever got the last weeks. However, I'm afraid this won't apply to any of the other SE sites that I'm a member of." CreationDate="2014-07-11T20:47:18.960" UserId="135597" />
  <row Id="13420" PostId="6429" Score="2" Text="The question isn't closed, it's locked. If the first answer from @voretaq7 isn't helpful then perhaps you should (carefully) ask your own questions. It'll be interesting to hear why the stuff mentioned in that answer isn't useful to you." CreationDate="2014-07-02T16:02:36.650" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13445" PostId="6430" Score="0" Text="Can community wikis be used for product recommendations?  (perhaps with a differently phrased question)" CreationDate="2014-07-07T10:21:59.133" UserId="6472" />
  <row Id="13446" PostId="6430" Score="0" Text="@TomOnTime No, they cannot. If you want a [software] [product recommendation, there's an SE site for that, though](http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/)." CreationDate="2014-07-08T21:06:20.210" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13415" PostId="6431" Score="0" Text="The fact that people answered with &quot;with the following product&quot; simply indicates they misread the question. &quot;How&quot; implies a process question; not only what did you use, but _how_ did you get it to do that. s" CreationDate="2014-07-02T15:48:36.467" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="13416" PostId="6431" Score="0" Text="I'm guessing Chris deleted that answer because Eric had already answered with Spacewalk.  So it was more of a &quot;me too&quot; comment to an answer that was a year older." CreationDate="2014-07-02T15:50:44.720" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13417" PostId="6431" Score="2" Text="@ParthianShot &quot;How do you imbed a nail in a piece of wood?&quot;  &quot;Hit it with a a hammer.&quot;  &quot;How do you approach centralised patch management for Linux?&quot; &quot;Use the following application.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-07-02T15:54:20.220" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13418" PostId="6431" Score="0" Text="If you ask someone &quot;How do you fly a kite&quot; and they answer &quot;with my hands&quot; that answer, while it may be technically correct (in that hands _were_ involved), is a problem with the answerer rather than the question itself. &quot;How&quot;, I would argue, is a question of process, rather than ingredient, and if I want to determine which process is easiest to work with (which I will cede does depend on products used) a good barometer is &quot;How much effort must people go through to accomplish something simple?&quot;." CreationDate="2014-07-02T15:57:42.127" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="13419" PostId="6431" Score="0" Text="If someone simply says that they &quot;used spacewalk&quot; they're not clarifying what that use entailed, so they're not really answering how they accomplished their goal. The answer &quot;Hit it with a a hammer.&quot; is good because it specifies &quot;Hit&quot;. If you just said &quot;Used a hammer&quot; the person still has no idea how to do the job." CreationDate="2014-07-02T15:59:58.710" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="13421" PostId="6431" Score="0" Text="When people say &quot;I used Puppet&quot; they're obscuring the fact that, to use Puppet, they had to do some awful things Puppet was not designed to do. It is not for patch management. Its whole purpose is implementation-agnosticism, which is the antithesis of patch management." CreationDate="2014-07-02T16:02:40.420" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="13422" PostId="6431" Score="0" Text="If people used Spacewalk, they could have clarified that doing so required them to skirt the gaping holes in spacewalk documentation, and manually configure new installs because the documentation on &quot;answer files&quot; doesn't exist (incidentally, I actually read through the source and wrote my own docs for that format)." CreationDate="2014-07-02T16:04:18.260" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="13423" PostId="6431" Score="0" Text="@ParthianShot This is really not the best place to rant about Spacewalk's crappy documentation, the unholy mess you can make of Puppet or whatever else... though your comment string certainly does help make the case for closing/locking that question being the proper course of action." CreationDate="2014-07-02T16:06:50.413" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13424" PostId="6431" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b &quot; This is really not the best place to rant&quot; True. My point wasn't about the products themselves, merely what the people who just said &quot;I used X&quot; left out of their answers. Locking the question means no one can provide more comprehensive answers, and no one can expand upon existing answers, which is a shame. That was all I was trying to say with the above." CreationDate="2014-07-02T16:12:18.307" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="13430" PostId="6431" Score="0" Text="I was curious about the assertion that PS couldn't see that it was closed because of his rep, so I logged out and looked at the question again.  It's still very clear that it was locked by Chris S on the date given, so I think in formulating responses we don't need to be concerned that the OP couldn't see the question was locked." CreationDate="2014-07-03T07:03:05.177" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13431" PostId="6431" Score="1" Text="@MadHatter  Because of his rep, the OP couldn't see the deleted post that was ostensibly the trigger for locking that thread.  &quot;Me too&quot;/spam answer `deleted by Chris S♦ Jun 17 '13 at 3:22` and then thread `locked by Chris S♦ Jun 17 '13 at 3:23`." CreationDate="2014-07-03T11:05:41.043" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13432" PostId="6431" Score="0" Text="Ah, right - yes, sorry, that makes a lot of sense." CreationDate="2014-07-03T11:39:09.917" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13425" PostId="6432" Score="1" Text="Well, I'll grant &quot;product recommendations in disguise&quot; could be an issue here. And that, since the question has an accepted answer, that's pretty solid evidence the original asker's problem was solved. It just bugged me that, despite the fact that the question asked &quot;How did you do X&quot;, everyone just decided to answer the question &quot;What did you use to do X&quot;, which isn't really the same thing, and now the question's locked that can't be rectified. TL;DR? Your argument is a fair one." CreationDate="2014-07-02T16:15:26.463" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="13426" PostId="6432" Score="0" Text="They likely answered that way because answering with &quot;First Bob submits a request via TrackIt, then Mary opens a spreadsheet on Sharepoint...&quot; is too localized of a process.  The process of patching servers is simple: 1) pre-patch things you do 2) patch 3) post-patch things you do.  Unfortunately, we can really only attempt to answer #2 (hence product recommendations).  #1 and #3 will differ in every environment.  And even #2 is very localized in its actual implementation." CreationDate="2014-07-02T16:27:22.130" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13435" PostId="6434" Score="6" Text="Having support reps answer questions is not the problem. The problem is when you direct your users here for tech support." CreationDate="2014-07-04T03:38:08.260" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="13436" PostId="6434" Score="1" Text="This aught to be it's own question. This previous discussion here on SF is relevant http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5241/will-someone-please-add-this-tag-tickzoom. You you should not direct users of your community edition here. This community is not your unpaid support channel. Also relevant http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234700/reach-out-to-generation-d-systems-about-outsourcing-their-support-to-serverfault" CreationDate="2014-07-04T06:07:05.207" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13437" PostId="6434" Score="0" Text="We encourage everyone to use serverfault to support each other (all SF members should be doing that).  We don't direct customers to server fault (support for customers is by email).  If customers can create a body of knowledge from well structured and well answered questions it fits the purpose of SF.  This is boiling down to should reps from answer questions about product if they work for the mfg of the product." CreationDate="2014-07-04T13:59:00.060" UserId="108727" />
  <row Id="13438" PostId="6434" Score="0" Text="I've posted on the topic above you linked above.  I have no doubt there is a fine line here - balancing the desire to attract users and quality answers to SF, with avoiding low-value or overly narrow how to questions." CreationDate="2014-07-04T14:37:44.863" UserId="108727" />
  <row Id="13439" PostId="6434" Score="0" Text="The line is between allowing a community to coalesce around a topic, of which we have many and driving _your_ customers here which we don't think is  a good thing. See this answer [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/13282/147520) which I believe is still relevant." CreationDate="2014-07-04T15:29:59.120" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13440" PostId="6436" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately this question is so down voted (which shows our communities strong dislike for this idea) that it will not be shown on the front page of mSF. The only people who are likely to see it are people who follow the links from elsewhere. I've asked Tim Post one of the community team to take a look at all of this as he has recently dealt with a similar situation on [SO]." CreationDate="2014-07-04T15:42:08.360" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13444" PostId="6438" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your answer. Yes it is very arbitrary, I just picked 5 to see where it landed and was saddened." CreationDate="2014-07-06T20:39:25.420" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13447" PostId="6439" Score="0" Text="Perhaps you should allow your moderation colleagues to take some of the load - I'll bet you're top of every metric over the time period you've been a moderator.  What do people need to do to catch your eye then?" CreationDate="2014-07-09T06:45:27.693" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13453" PostId="6439" Score="0" Text="#1: Write a really good question title." CreationDate="2014-07-10T00:59:04.587" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13455" PostId="6439" Score="0" Text="As I'm primarily focusing on answers that doesn't really help." CreationDate="2014-07-11T06:39:41.380" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13456" PostId="6439" Score="0" Text="I'll probably never see a great answer to a bad question. And I don't often read even mediocre questions. Good and _really great_ questions, though, get lots of votes from me. As do their answers. I think we're back to the paucity of good questions..." CreationDate="2014-07-11T12:57:15.433" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13448" PostId="6442" Score="1" Text="Load immediately here... Maybe your browser has a problem?" CreationDate="2014-07-09T09:03:30.040" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="13449" PostId="6442" Score="1" Text="@MichelZ It is only slow the first time a particular review is rendered. That means when I am actually asked to review it, it is slow. But looking at it later, it loads instantly. I don't believe it could be a browser problem, because all other pages on sf loads quickly. It is only audits in the Suggested Edits queue, that are slow to load." CreationDate="2014-07-09T09:05:48.347" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13551" PostId="6442" Score="1" Text="I just experienced this again. Once I realized it was another one of these audits, I started measuring the time. It took another nine seconds before it completed loading. In other words, I knew the review was an audit I am supposed to reject - nine seconds before I even saw the page." CreationDate="2014-07-31T18:40:42.323" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13457" PostId="6443" Score="0" Text="I like this approach.  Given that people will always ask multipartite questions, and there isn't a good mechanism for splitting them, the principle that any new knowledge is better than none is a good one to follow." CreationDate="2014-07-11T14:55:45.487" UserId="156599" />
  <row Id="13451" PostId="6446" Score="0" Text="When I said they are obvious, I wasn't referring to the edit itself, but rather to the time it takes to load. These edits are easy to recognize from looking at the edit itself, but they are even easier to recognize from the delay before they show up. (Those who want to go through the reviews without looking could just keep clicking approve until they hit the delay, and then move to reject.)" CreationDate="2014-07-09T19:16:55.907" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13452" PostId="6446" Score="1" Text="@kasperd There is a similar delay before &quot;good&quot; audits as well - it's just very slightly shorter. (Though there is some merit to the notion that someone could robo-review until they notice a delay and then actually pay attention to *that* review. Like I said - it's a flawed system, but it's (marginally) better than nothing...)" CreationDate="2014-07-09T19:56:14.213" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="19428" PostId="6446" Score="0" Text="I just came across an [audit](http://serverfault.com/review/suggested-edits/222989) which had chosen an original of such quality that the subject made slightly more sense after the random edits." CreationDate="2015-09-26T19:43:18.520" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13454" PostId="6448" Score="2" Text="When I had this happen I'd ask the OP to post a new question...but I suppose it depends." CreationDate="2014-07-10T20:33:32.560" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="13466" PostId="6449" Score="0" Text="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dependant#Noun" CreationDate="2014-07-19T17:56:57.387" UserId="5144" />
  <row Id="13459" PostId="6450" Score="0" Text="If it's good steal it for yourself :)" CreationDate="2014-07-11T19:49:14.600" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13458" PostId="6452" Score="0" Text="That was exactly the one that got me thinking abot this today as well. Thanks of the sanity check." CreationDate="2014-07-11T18:56:34.537" UserId="90351" />
  <row Id="13464" PostId="6459" Score="0" Text="Yep, we can merge 'em, but we can't delete 'em." CreationDate="2014-07-19T14:07:38.743" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="13465" PostId="6459" Score="0" Text="This is, unfortunately, exactly how it works." CreationDate="2014-07-19T17:55:19.130" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13467" PostId="6459" Score="0" Text="Not many more than 100, so feasible. I've contributed my 10. As far as preventing its usage in the future goes, can tags be blocked?" CreationDate="2014-07-19T19:29:10.700" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13469" PostId="6459" Score="0" Text="I've done a bunch :: passes baton ::" CreationDate="2014-07-19T21:51:52.210" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13643" PostId="6459" Score="2" Text="The [tag:multiple] tag is no more!" CreationDate="2014-08-30T08:26:04.323" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="13468" PostId="6460" Score="1" Text="These days I generally send people who ask git questions back to SO where they will get a better audience." CreationDate="2014-07-19T19:45:54.670" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13509" PostId="6461" Score="0" Text="The huge number of up-votes is almost certainly that they were slowly added over the last 5 years by people who found it via Google long after it fell off the front page and voted up because it was what they Googled for. He only got a handful of up votes when it was first posted; and IIRC that was long enough ago that the current level of hostility to lower skill level questions wasn't nearly as strong here as it is today." CreationDate="2014-07-25T21:14:01.613" UserId="34835" />
  <row Id="13510" PostId="6461" Score="0" Text="@DanNeely The problem with the question isn't the skill or lack thereof of the person asking, it is the subject matter. While system administrators do occasionally use git, this particular task is one that is almost always done by developers in the process of managing their source code. Thus it is a better fit for [so]." CreationDate="2014-07-25T21:47:19.910" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13515" PostId="6461" Score="0" Text="Wouldn't locked as a historically significant question have been more appropriate than closed as off-topic?" CreationDate="2014-07-27T21:57:42.277" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13516" PostId="6461" Score="1" Text="@kasperd Locking it would prevent anyone from editing the question or the answers. Since this has had recent edits, I don't think it _yet_ needs to be locked. The most important part is making the point that git usage questions are generally a better fit elsewhere." CreationDate="2014-07-27T22:04:16.413" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13471" PostId="6467" Score="0" Text="Done. Is the revised question better?" CreationDate="2014-07-23T00:24:09.570" UserId="188697" />
  <row Id="13472" PostId="6467" Score="1" Text="@Demetri It kinda kills the existing answers, and... well, let me take a whack at editing it." CreationDate="2014-07-23T00:30:30.980" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13473" PostId="6467" Score="0" Text="thank you, you are probably better than I am at it." CreationDate="2014-07-23T00:31:17.307" UserId="188697" />
  <row Id="13566" PostId="6467" Score="0" Text="As one of the persons who closed it, I agree with what's been said here. The question was definitely interesting, but I had to consider the site's rules." CreationDate="2014-08-03T20:41:40.907" UserId="4276" />
  <row Id="13478" PostId="6469" Score="3" Text="Even if it is schilling or rewhoring, it still benefits others who are searching for the information. Don't worry about the motive, content is king." CreationDate="2014-07-23T20:50:51.297" UserId="153062" />
  <row Id="13507" PostId="6469" Score="1" Text="@JeromyFrench well no, motive is important. Testimony from a dis-interested 3rd party is more valuable than sales-spiel from people selling products of unknown value. If we allowed someone to shill for bad file recovery products, for example, this would be of very dubious benefit to someone who was searching for information on *good* file recovery products because, oddly enough, the spammers somehow neglect to mention that their product is crap." CreationDate="2014-07-25T15:26:36.363" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13508" PostId="6469" Score="0" Text="@RobM: You're doing a great job of making my case: &quot;content is king&quot;. If the salesperson has bad intentions, but provides good content, we're good. If the programmer has great intentions, but provides bad content...not so good. The motive is inconsequential. I'll put it another way: this is a results-based world." CreationDate="2014-07-25T19:40:08.557" UserId="153062" />
  <row Id="13485" PostId="6471" Score="0" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/a/6140/126632" CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:06:30.170" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13490" PostId="6471" Score="0" Text="-1 I was going to upvote for the well written question and vaguely  interesting discussion. But then &quot;If the question gets a bunch of downvotes...I'll give up the 'cause'&quot;." CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:12:37.890" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13491" PostId="6471" Score="0" Text=":) @ChrisS - I can live with that.  I wrote it with that possibility in mind..." CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:14:53.337" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13493" PostId="6471" Score="2" Text="I'm not inclined to agree with allowing shopping questions without some way to prevent low quality and overly opinionated answers. [softwarerecs.se] put [a lot of work into this](http://meta.softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/q/455/3348) and you may want to review that." CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:39:45.377" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13503" PostId="6471" Score="3" Text="SF is full of crap already - I can't see this making it any better." CreationDate="2014-07-24T16:51:18.733" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13511" PostId="6471" Score="1" Text="Here's an example of [a good shopping question](http://serverfault.com/q/615649/126632). This is the way I'd like to see them presented. And [here's a bad one](http://serverfault.com/q/615655/126632). How do we get from here to there?" CreationDate="2014-07-26T04:43:19.580" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13553" PostId="6471" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton `without some way to prevent low quality and overly opinionated answers` I agree. We need to have a voting system in place for answers- or at least the ability to edit or flag them- before we let people do just whatever they want. As of right now, when someone posts a terrible answer, the most an SF user can legally do is leave a comment saying &quot;I did not enjoy that post. It made my inner child sad.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-08-01T15:05:54.150" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="13567" PostId="6471" Score="1" Text="@Iain - I've always been interested in the management of obsolete questions on SE, too, since any answer has the possibility of becoming obsolete. &quot;Quickly&quot; is a relative term, and my occasional frustration is when I come across answers I know to have been correct at the time but have since become obsolete and I want to encourage newer answers that may be more suitable." CreationDate="2014-08-04T03:54:13.387" UserId="138052" />
  <row Id="13573" PostId="6471" Score="1" Text="I find the obsolescence argument to be poor also. It could be applied to a large proportion of all questions on ServerFault that are not shopping related. This is technology; it comes with the territory." CreationDate="2014-08-06T18:53:56.393" UserId="90144" />
  <row Id="13483" PostId="6472" Score="1" Text="Hence the close reason bolded at the bottom I recommend." CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:02:02.143" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13484" PostId="6472" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner That's far from the only problem with this type of question, though.  [Someone else seems to want this problem](http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/), so by all means, let's let them have it." CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:04:43.500" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13492" PostId="6472" Score="0" Text="If your last comment is the SF consensus, which is cool by me, then we should allow for a site migration close reason to that site once it actually comes out of beta." CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:21:20.930" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13500" PostId="6472" Score="3" Text="@TheCleaner I think people will be more annoyed to hear &quot;we allow shopping questions&quot; then see *their* question closed as (essentially) &quot;except yours, it's crap&quot; than they already are by the flat-out ban we have now" CreationDate="2014-07-24T15:21:56.800" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13501" PostId="6472" Score="0" Text="@RobM - sorry, I meant if we choose to not allow any, then when the softwarerecs gets out of beta that should be either a migration choice or they should be mentioned in the current close reason as something like &quot;...you might consider asking over on SoftwareRecs instead.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-07-24T15:33:58.623" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13502" PostId="6472" Score="1" Text="We already get those now though. What's the difference?" CreationDate="2014-07-24T16:49:03.897" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="13506" PostId="6472" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner sorry if I wasn't clear, I was posting in support of the 'no' from hopelessnoob. I'd have no problem with a close-&gt;migrate path to the new site should it take off, though given the pattern of bar-room lawyering we see from new posters who find their way to meta I do predict a bunch of &quot;but I'm using open source (or whatever) so I'm too special to be migrated, you guys all suck because you don't want to pretend the world orbits around *me*&quot; posts." CreationDate="2014-07-24T18:21:41.237" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13574" PostId="6472" Score="0" Text="I don't see any logic in the argument - crap questions are crap questions. What's that got to do with excluding shopping questions specifically? I think you need to explain why you're saying one has anything to do with the other." CreationDate="2014-08-06T21:09:54.963" UserId="90144" />
  <row Id="13486" PostId="6473" Score="1" Text="Also, the beta product recommendation site will take care of this, won't it?" CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:06:38.053" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="13487" PostId="6473" Score="3" Text="This is not true. Sites can allow or disallow shopping questions at their discretion. [unix.se] allows them, for instance." CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:07:01.437" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13488" PostId="6473" Score="2" Text="I still think it would be better to send them off to software recomendations. Otherwise we will also need to revise capacity planning as well I think?" CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:09:06.237" UserId="86280" />
  <row Id="13489" PostId="6473" Score="4" Text="It was supposed to be a network-wide ban on shopping questions, but sites that came after that ban have picked what parts of it they want to enforce..." CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:11:35.347" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13494" PostId="6473" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS As far as I ever knew, it applied to the trilogy, and later sites picked it up if they wanted it." CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:42:27.903" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13539" PostId="6475" Score="0" Text="I think this: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6112/proposal-sf-needs-its-own-shopping-link should be revisited as a possible new link in the &quot;obsolete&quot; URL of the close reason.  If you'd like I can try and write something up with pics, etc. like the normal shopping link but more ServerFault centric." CreationDate="2014-07-29T13:10:02.667" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13541" PostId="6475" Score="0" Text="If we _had_ one then I'd certainly look at it!" CreationDate="2014-07-29T13:51:53.560" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13542" PostId="6475" Score="0" Text="Here you go Michael: http://meta.serverfault.com/a/6488/7861" CreationDate="2014-07-29T14:55:32.537" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13495" PostId="6476" Score="0" Text="I like the text better, but now it doesn't match the linked article at all... though I think the problem is more with needing a better article to link." CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:48:52.520" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13496" PostId="6476" Score="0" Text="Good point. When I find one, I'll link to it. If nothing better comes along I'll just link to [the meta Q&amp;A I linked to in the question](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/6139/126632). Ideally, I'd like to have a meta Q&amp;A that explains how to ask this sort of question correctly, such as [the one on SU](http://meta.superuser.com/q/5372/144961)." CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:50:56.120" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13497" PostId="6476" Score="0" Text="The answer you linked to @TheCleaner is a much better explanation.  I think it should be linked in the close reason (slightly edited and posted elsewhere, perhaps)." CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:52:50.327" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13498" PostId="6476" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b It's the same post. I just linked to the answer there, and the question here. Easy enough to change." CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:54:06.470" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13499" PostId="6476" Score="0" Text="Better, probably have to be good enough. Maybe reword slightly to &quot;are off-topic because the answers they attract are low quality, opinionated, spam, or [become obsolete quickly](http://lazylink)&quot;, just to shorten it up a bit." CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:57:44.337" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13570" PostId="6476" Score="0" Text="The problem with this text is that it doesn't clarify what sort of question is still permissible to ask. Falcon Momot's suggestion fixes that." CreationDate="2014-08-05T15:05:40.027" UserId="11303" />
  <row Id="13527" PostId="6479" Score="1" Text="Probably...but they also run the risk of getting boo'd in public.  The voting system and comments would allow others to say &quot;yeah, your product rocks&quot; or &quot;your stuff sucks...downvote!&quot;  But yes, I concede that even if we try and prevent those users from &quot;anonymously&quot; recommending their own product, it would happen." CreationDate="2014-07-28T15:34:44.230" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13543" PostId="6479" Score="1" Text="A smart vendor would use shill accounts and not be so obvious." CreationDate="2014-07-29T16:17:27.147" UserId="119681" />
  <row Id="13554" PostId="6479" Score="0" Text="@Bill On the other hand, I doubt that doesn't already happen. There are plenty of non-product-recommendation questions where it would be appropriate to say something along the lines of &quot;I use X with Y, and have it configured so Z. Since Z is what you seem to want to make happen, X might be what you're looking for&quot;. You can already subtly advertise your product on SE if that's really what you want to do. Or you can ask leading questions, like questions about your product. Ask enough such questions, you can make a tag for your product, a bunch of people see your product as popular." CreationDate="2014-08-01T15:11:45.273" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="13555" PostId="6479" Score="0" Text="@Bill You underestimate the complexity of the thought process, and the lack of concern for fair play, behind viral marketing tactics." CreationDate="2014-08-01T15:13:57.820" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="13557" PostId="6479" Score="0" Text="@Bill For example, if I were doing marketing at Microsoft, since they seem to be circling the drain, I'd up the number of IE, C#, VB, and Office questions and answers on the SE sites using sockpuppets and mechanical turks so that people would see those as trending or &quot;hot&quot; technologies they should learn and use. And when it does catch on... yay! Market share. Of course, I'd also fund &quot;think tanks&quot; to come out with &quot;research&quot; disparaging Linux- which they've already done. That's on the public record. Marketing is not an ethical profession." CreationDate="2014-08-01T15:16:54.250" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="13558" PostId="6479" Score="0" Text="...In other words... You're right. Smart vendors are probably already using shills and not being so obvious." CreationDate="2014-08-01T15:19:42.630" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="13512" PostId="6480" Score="6" Text="Where possible they should be avoided. If they are the output from a terminal then they often point to an OP that really isn't in our target audience." CreationDate="2014-07-27T21:17:17.110" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13518" PostId="6480" Score="1" Text="@Iain Yes, if it's a screenshot from PuTTY, then they might not be a professional. If it's a screenshot of a server console over IPMI or whatever, then they just might be." CreationDate="2014-07-28T00:43:55.970" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13519" PostId="6480" Score="0" Text="Can you provide some examples of questions where this is a problem?" CreationDate="2014-07-28T01:30:57.313" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13520" PostId="6480" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton I was careful to say terminal for a reason." CreationDate="2014-07-28T05:07:22.477" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13559" PostId="6480" Score="1" Text="What if they got a screenshot from someone else (e.g. the helpdesk got it from a client), and in researching the problem they haven't found a good solution, but they also don't want to type out the entire ream of JVM stack trace they've been researching / find and figure out how to use a good OCR system that will transcribe the text for them?" CreationDate="2014-08-01T15:22:32.760" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="13513" PostId="6481" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I appreciate the input. Regarding situations where it's &quot;not possible to avoid this&quot;, I don't think that's actually true. It's really rather that it's convenient to ignore the problem in these cases instead of putting in a little bit more effort to make a significantly more useful post. Surely, if I can OCR their images or retype their text (if short), so can the OP." CreationDate="2014-07-27T21:49:35.960" UserId="183318" />
  <row Id="13514" PostId="6481" Score="12" Text="Maybe. I'd usually rather have a 100% accurate image than a 99% accurate OCR, or a 90% accurate retype. I've seen too many typos cause confusion... And, I don't even have any OCR software!" CreationDate="2014-07-27T21:50:49.363" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13517" PostId="6481" Score="0" Text="You definitely have a good point. The reason why I consider this type of fix to require much effort is precisely because it involves careful proofreading to actually help.  I don't have any OCR software either but there's no shortage of free online services." CreationDate="2014-07-27T22:45:32.367" UserId="183318" />
  <row Id="13524" PostId="6481" Score="4" Text="Accuracy is important. If OCR is the only option, then we should not encourage replacing an accurate screenshot with inaccurate OCR. But I would rather have the question contain both of them, I'm just not entirely sure how the question should be formatted, if it does include both." CreationDate="2014-07-28T06:29:35.347" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13521" PostId="6482" Score="4" Text="On the computer where I am viewing this now, the text version is more readable. Also, posting an image rather than text, can result in duplicate questions being posted. meta.serverfault.com/questions/6334/how-to-deal-with-incorrect-reviews" CreationDate="2014-07-28T06:14:20.367" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13522" PostId="6482" Score="2" Text="My question was focusing on utility rather than aesthetics. The example comes across as an edge case where maybe it subjectively doesn't &quot;look better&quot; (not sure that I think there's really a huge advantage one way or the other, aesthetically) but I would still say that the text version is both more legible and more useful for someone to work with." CreationDate="2014-07-28T06:17:09.717" UserId="183318" />
  <row Id="13523" PostId="6482" Score="3" Text="And by &quot;useful to work with&quot; I mean such things as being able to copy part of the text, be it for a quote in an answer, for researching the problem or something else." CreationDate="2014-07-28T06:24:27.343" UserId="183318" />
  <row Id="13525" PostId="6482" Score="3" Text="I don't see pictures as a problem by default. There are cases where one is preferable to the other of course; for Ed's case here I prefer the picture. If, however, someone screen-shotted windows error message popups then yes, I'd prefer the text. I personally wouldn't see it as an issue that drove me to vote a question up or down or to VTC by itself." CreationDate="2014-07-28T09:56:18.370" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13528" PostId="6482" Score="0" Text="Screenshots are not searchable." CreationDate="2014-07-28T17:57:24.993" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13529" PostId="6482" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 They don't have to be." CreationDate="2014-07-28T17:57:54.193" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13531" PostId="6482" Score="1" Text="@ewwhite Non-Searchable things kind of defeat the purpose of Stack Exchange: We're supposed to be building a knowledge base other people can use, and if that knowledge base is obfuscated from search engines its value is greatly diminished. There are some cases where screenshots are the appropriate way to include information, but they're misused far more often by lazy and/or stupid help vampires." CreationDate="2014-07-28T18:04:16.030" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13532" PostId="6482" Score="2" Text="@voretaq7 Nobody here has posted an example of a problem question..." CreationDate="2014-07-28T18:05:14.407" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13533" PostId="6482" Score="1" Text="@ewwhite and I'm not inclined to spend time looking for one right now, but I can tell you that I have personally seen *and closed* several &quot;problem questions&quot; (literally &quot;screenshot of a terminal window&quot;). I don't have a blanket objection to screenshots, but I consider transcribing the relevant portion of their content (like error messages) to be the bare minimum standard of effort." CreationDate="2014-07-28T18:16:07.127" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13544" PostId="6482" Score="1" Text="*Screenshots are not searchable.* If the question is otherwise sound (e.g. it's not just &quot;HALP!!!!!11!!!1!one!!one!!1&quot; and a screenshot) then that's an argument in favour of a bit of editing to improve the question rather than closing the question imo." CreationDate="2014-07-29T20:01:54.130" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13590" PostId="6482" Score="0" Text="http://serverfault.com/questions/619443/what-is-logcheck-and-why-is-it-consuming-100-cpu-out-of-the-blue" CreationDate="2014-08-11T05:05:47.533" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13526" PostId="6483" Score="5" Text="I don't think this occurs enough for it to be a concern or its own problem close reason." CreationDate="2014-07-28T11:48:00.390" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13530" PostId="6483" Score="3" Text="This is definitely not worth its own close reason (at least IMHO). The kinds of questions with screenshots that should be closed are the kind we don't want anyway (&quot;Herp Derp Here's a screenshot of a terminal with an error message. I haven't even googled the error, you should help me now.&quot;), and there are already plenty of applicable reasons to punt that kind of trash." CreationDate="2014-07-28T17:59:14.993" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13534" PostId="6484" Score="1" Text="Do you have an example of a search result where you have seen this?" CreationDate="2014-07-28T21:07:47.487" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13536" PostId="6484" Score="3" Text="Ugh, I find Stack Exchange's use of &quot;fuzzy time&quot; everywhere quite frustrating. That said, I don't see missing &quot;year&quot; labels anywhere but on content from within 12 months (also: annoying). A screenshot would be good." CreationDate="2014-07-28T22:00:12.057" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="13546" PostId="6484" Score="1" Text="You are right, the year is there. My brain didn't see those 10'13 as some day 10 of the year 2013 even with several close looks. I have to change my neurons. In France dates are never presented in that order. I think the whole year 30 July of 2013 could disambiguate the notation. There is room for it, the line is dedicated to the date." CreationDate="2014-07-30T08:06:01.583" UserId="80297" />
  <row Id="13547" PostId="6484" Score="0" Text="Why Americans put the month before the date is a constant mystery." CreationDate="2014-07-30T20:07:51.520" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="13569" PostId="6484" Score="0" Text="for anything sort related this is actually quite good (if you have natural sorting)." CreationDate="2014-08-05T12:23:28.273" UserId="157970" />
  <row Id="13537" PostId="6485" Score="3" Text="What model are you coming from and which model are you going to? This is probably best for the Server Fault chat room... but I'm not sure this would be closed." CreationDate="2014-07-28T22:33:47.003" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13538" PostId="6485" Score="2" Text="&quot;Does product X have Y feature?&quot; is a class of question that is generally not well received here. But it might do better if it's obvious that you've read the product description and have a point that you're confused about. I agree that your best bet is to drop into chat." CreationDate="2014-07-28T23:09:13.737" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13561" PostId="6485" Score="3" Text="Usually you'll want to talk to your reseller or Cisco rep, if you have one.  Otherwise try https://www.cisco.com/cisco/web/siteassets/contacts/index.html or http://www.cisco.com/assets/sol/sb/product_chooser/index.html et al.&#xA;Impossible to recommend without your budget, precise needs, existing infrastructure, etc.. And not a good fit for SE, I don't think." CreationDate="2014-08-01T21:17:03.287" UserId="47539" />
  <row Id="13535" PostId="6486" Score="0" Text="They are expensive but they consult for us on the side, we aren't their bread and butter customer. So he's high quality but slow." CreationDate="2014-07-28T21:53:44.580" UserId="182300" />
  <row Id="13540" PostId="6486" Score="3" Text="Thanks for your answer... mostly you made me realize the obvious solution: This is exactly the sort of question that sales people would love to help me with, because it will likely result in buying something. Which is also the reason it's not a good question for Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2014-07-29T13:39:29.620" UserId="182300" />
  <row Id="13545" PostId="6486" Score="0" Text="Well if you're buying a Cisco *something* no matter what then your cisco vendor will *love* answering this question. Nice and easy and will turn itself into an order with very little work on their part." CreationDate="2014-07-29T20:32:05.677" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="23113" PostId="6488" Score="0" Text="What kind of switch is that woman holding? (Amazon link, plz.)" CreationDate="2023-01-11T14:20:59.617" UserId="47995" />
  <row Id="13549" PostId="6490" Score="0" Text="Reputation doesn't go less than 1. And downvotes that would have taken you lower than 1 are ignored. Without looking your 13 could be the result of -100000 followed by +12." CreationDate="2014-07-31T16:58:38.290" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13550" PostId="6491" Score="0" Text="Thank you, I will do my best." CreationDate="2014-07-31T17:09:32.720" UserId="150677" />
  <row Id="13552" PostId="6493" Score="0" Text="Could you delete and then re-create the generic &quot;not relevant to professional system admin&quot; reason?  Or maybe an SE staff member reading this could re-arrange them..." CreationDate="2014-08-01T14:56:38.287" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13556" PostId="6493" Score="0" Text="Then someone else will come along and complain about them being rearranged _again_... You just can't win." CreationDate="2014-08-01T15:14:12.103" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13560" PostId="6493" Score="7" Text="That would just be whining, whereas *my* complaint is, of course, totally reasonable and valid." CreationDate="2014-08-01T17:14:59.620" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="17075" PostId="6493" Score="0" Text="Reading the question and deciding which of the close reasons is appropriate shouldn't be too automated. But once you have decided which of the close reasons is appropriate, the few clicks to chose it should be fairly automatic (unless the close reason you intended to use no longer exists)." CreationDate="2015-02-27T10:04:11.073" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13571" PostId="6494" Score="0" Text="I remember seeing browser agents like *Lynx* in the logs for Brazzers.com. Never understood why until now!" CreationDate="2014-08-06T12:00:33.413" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13572" PostId="6494" Score="1" Text="@ewwhite you cannot decipher it on the fly? send in your geek card now!" CreationDate="2014-08-06T12:09:13.617" UserId="157970" />
  <row Id="13575" PostId="6495" Score="0" Text="What do you mean &quot;won't let you fix&quot;? I was able to click &quot;edit&quot; to modify the answer again just fine. http://serverfault.com/questions/27568/what-exactly-does-system-managed-size-mean-for-a-windows-pagefile/27657#27657" CreationDate="2014-08-07T13:23:23.543" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="13576" PostId="6495" Score="1" Text="Is that because you were the first of two people to approve it?  In that state, I know of nothing you can do immediately; you can't edit it, because there's an edit waiting for signoff; you can't sign it off, since it requires two different people's approval (an **idiot** setting - one person with arbitrary edit privs should should have the ability to unilaterally signoff someone else's edits, but that's a separate grumble).  Once a second person has approved that edit, open-edit-season will be back on, and you can revert the change." CreationDate="2014-08-07T13:31:56.257" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13577" PostId="6495" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter I want to agree, but see A LOT of edit suggestions where people blindly approve them. Even requiring 2 people's approval I still have to reverse edits from time to time." CreationDate="2014-08-07T13:48:16.213" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13580" PostId="6495" Score="0" Text="Fair enough - I can't argue with data!" CreationDate="2014-08-07T14:21:06.050" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13581" PostId="6495" Score="0" Text="@NathanC That's because you are not me. As far as the system was concerned, I no longer had a say in that review, because I had already clicked `Approve`. I could not start a new edit either because the previous had still not been reviewed by more people." CreationDate="2014-08-07T14:22:06.757" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13582" PostId="6495" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter Yes, I was the first to approve it. I agree it seems silly that it requires two persons to approve it. Either person would have been permitted to make the edit on their own and not require approval by anybody. And either person could have approved it by themselves, if only they had clicked `Improve` rather than `Approve`." CreationDate="2014-08-07T14:24:29.030" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13578" PostId="6496" Score="0" Text="It was not a truly bad edit. It was a good edit correcting some outdated or incorrect information, and added a citation from an official source. There just happened to be a small mistake in the citation. I know about the `Improve` button, which is why I said I intended to click `Improve`. Had I used `Improve`, then saving my edit would have approved the previous edit and applied mine. But since I clicked `Approve` it entered a state, where that option was no longer available." CreationDate="2014-08-07T14:13:14.113" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13579" PostId="6496" Score="1" Text="The edit did have to be reviewed by one other person before anything else could happen to it. That other person did not notice the minor mistake in that otherwise good edit, so it got approved with the mistake. I went and fixed the mistake just now. It just feel like there should have been a simpler way for me to correct the mistake than wait for somebody else to approve the mistake, such that I could go and edit it." CreationDate="2014-08-07T14:17:28.523" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13589" PostId="6496" Score="0" Text="Not much you can do in that scenario. And it's been that way since forever. You can always drop into chat; there's usually a moderator or two hanging around." CreationDate="2014-08-07T23:19:27.813" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13583" PostId="6498" Score="1" Text="The question might have been better suited over on http://security.stackexchange.com/" CreationDate="2014-08-07T16:02:37.127" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13584" PostId="6498" Score="0" Text="Thanks. Did not even know about such site xD. I will check there." CreationDate="2014-08-07T16:06:24.983" UserId="235668" />
  <row Id="13588" PostId="6498" Score="4" Text="You've made this meta question largely useless by deleting the original question..." CreationDate="2014-08-07T22:49:05.143" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13593" PostId="6498" Score="1" Text="If it is a VPS, then you simply can't be secure.  Whoever runs the hypervisor can probably extract your private keys directly from the memory, making any encryption worthless." CreationDate="2014-08-11T17:13:50.937" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="13585" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="Sorry, did not put that context in this current META question, but in the asked one. I modified the current META question to clarify the context asked in the former question, althought a link exists and with your rep0 you can see it." CreationDate="2014-08-07T16:26:04.423" UserId="235668" />
  <row Id="13586" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="@LuisMasuelli [Your *actual (main site)* question](http://serverfault.com/questions/618555/contracting-a-vps-in-us-and-protecting-my-data) doesn't mention the NSA..." CreationDate="2014-08-07T17:29:12.073" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="13587" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="u're right. well, that type of risk is mentioned, not the nsa in particular" CreationDate="2014-08-07T18:43:13.503" UserId="235668" />
  <row Id="13591" PostId="6500" Score="0" Text="From what I understand review audits are funky things ...unless it's an absolutely horrible answer, the audit just expects you to say &quot;it looks okay&quot;." CreationDate="2014-08-11T12:49:24.347" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="13592" PostId="6500" Score="1" Text="Well your comment is correct enough, but not sure why the review was brought up on that answer from Basil at all in the queue." CreationDate="2014-08-11T13:03:53.857" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13594" PostId="6504" Score="5" Text="I don't agree that the question is useful as it stands." CreationDate="2014-08-13T12:20:44.730" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="13595" PostId="6504" Score="0" Text="@Andrew welcome to the club, I got downvoted because some folk doesn't see the point of a web interface over command line: http://serverfault.com/q/620282/126950" CreationDate="2014-08-14T05:29:18.717" UserId="126950" />
  <row Id="13596" PostId="6509" Score="3" Text="If they're bumped by community it means they've not got anything upvoted - chuck an unvote on it and it won't be bumped again." CreationDate="2014-08-14T11:26:30.273" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="13600" PostId="6510" Score="0" Text="Having a rough morning? I haven't seen you this snarky in months." CreationDate="2014-08-14T14:02:38.413" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13603" PostId="6510" Score="5" Text="@ChrisS sysadmin1138 must be a nice guy, if this counts as snarky. I have come across other people online who are more snarky than that, when they are in a good mood." CreationDate="2014-08-14T15:09:35.497" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13628" PostId="6511" Score="0" Text="This five year old question got bumped by `Community`, even though it has four upvoted answers, one of which is accepted: http://serverfault.com/questions/57729/risk-of-using-ssh-public-keys" CreationDate="2014-08-21T18:27:48.877" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13629" PostId="6511" Score="0" Text="@kasperd  You can't see it, it was bumped by a spammer. The post was deleted and the account nuked." CreationDate="2014-08-21T21:22:52.807" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13631" PostId="6511" Score="0" Text="I wonder why it doesn't drop off the active questions list when that post got deleted. When spam gets deleted the post should look as if it never happened." CreationDate="2014-08-22T13:30:26.450" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13634" PostId="6511" Score="0" Text="@kasperd you would have to discuss that with SE, my guess would be that it is all part of the community oversight." CreationDate="2014-08-22T14:12:48.910" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13597" PostId="6512" Score="3" Text="Wikipedia would be my first port of call here honestly - then work my way down. I've usually done that when I have hardware questions, unless its something obscure. That sort of question is fairly clearly OT for SF, and too boring for SU." CreationDate="2014-08-14T12:38:51.837" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="13598" PostId="6512" Score="0" Text="Maybe, you're right, and yes that was a silly example, but sometimes I have questions about technology, which they are no so clear. For instance, I had to do a hard research to confirm that LED Monitor is a TFT Monitor. I'm going to change the question adding this point, Thanks for your comment" CreationDate="2014-08-14T12:51:29.997" UserId="204784" />
  <row Id="13599" PostId="6512" Score="1" Text="I don't think thats a great example either - questions need to be about *practical* and preferably more difficult problems. Stuff that needs a certain degree of inside knowledge." CreationDate="2014-08-14T13:09:55.393" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="13619" PostId="6513" Score="0" Text="Perfect answer." CreationDate="2014-08-17T09:24:02.043" UserId="204784" />
  <row Id="13617" PostId="6515" Score="3" Text="Based on the answers from Chris S, it seems the best one can do with audits is to skip them. One don't fail an audit by skipping, and apparently, that is all that counts. And should one occasionally skip a real review by mistake, no harm is done." CreationDate="2014-08-16T09:20:15.847" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13601" PostId="6516" Score="0" Text="I probably wouldn't put any extra effort into noticing which are audits. But knowing the signals, I certainly can recognize some of them without any effort. How would the system react, if I perform lots of reviews but skip all the audits?" CreationDate="2014-08-14T14:56:22.697" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13602" PostId="6516" Score="1" Text="No difference. You have to fail several audits in a short time to have any effect. I'd have to look-up the exact numbers (and verify if I'm allowed to disclose them publicly), but I don't think anyone has ever tripped the Audit Failure system on [SF] yet, which just bans you from the review queues for a day or so." CreationDate="2014-08-14T15:07:52.700" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13604" PostId="6516" Score="0" Text="Apparently it's public knowledge (found on mSE), so here's the details: The 4th failure in 30 days =&gt; Ban. The Ban length depends on how many times you've been banned in the last 30 days, 1st ban = 2 day, 2nd = 7 days, 3rd = 30 days. Mods can also ban users manually for 1..30 days." CreationDate="2014-08-14T15:16:22.460" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13605" PostId="6516" Score="0" Text="Does this mean that no amount of passed reviews can compensate from a failed review, and skipping a review is effectively the same as passing it?" CreationDate="2014-08-14T15:20:01.820" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13606" PostId="6516" Score="0" Text="Yes and yes. 15 characters." CreationDate="2014-08-14T15:22:59.003" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13607" PostId="6516" Score="3" Text="Just looked up some of the Audit stats. The system apparently hates you because you get more audits than almost any other regular reviewer. Also, we do have someone who has been banned, so you can't be the first. Sorry." CreationDate="2014-08-14T15:27:46.640" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13608" PostId="6516" Score="0" Text="In that case it seems the best choice when one notice an audit is to just skip it." CreationDate="2014-08-14T17:03:57.220" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13610" PostId="6517" Score="2" Text="Since I work primarily from a home office, I _did_ evaluate these three. I found that DD-WRT was old and unmaintained (unless you purchased it from a vendor, and maybe not even then), Tomato had exploded into several largely incompatible forks, most of which were also unmaintained, and OpenWrt was actually usable and in active development. So OpenWrt is what I run. And interestingly, OpenWrt is the only one of these which is actually manageable with Puppet. Guess what else I do..." CreationDate="2014-08-14T21:49:38.033" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13611" PostId="6518" Score="3" Text="While Server Fault is about Servers, Networks, and related deployments - they are very specifically geared towards *professional* sysadmin tasks and problems. Your problem sounds like a generic php setup problem. Are you doing this in a corporate environment? If not then that would be why it got migrated here. If so then mentioning might have helped, but it would probably still have been migrated." CreationDate="2014-08-14T21:21:14.960" UserId="93100" />
  <row Id="13612" PostId="6518" Score="0" Text="@Mokubai it most definitely is in a corporate environment, and I am a *professional* sysadmin. I primarily work on Debian, whereas the corporate entity in question is 100% CentOS based. It is for a  internet layer 2 provisioning application. It just seems presumptuous to assume it was not." CreationDate="2014-08-14T21:31:06.520" UserDisplayName="Petah" />
  <row Id="13613" PostId="6518" Score="3" Text="In that case I am at a bit of a loss as to why. It may be worth asking this on meta.SF" CreationDate="2014-08-14T21:41:42.367" UserId="93100" />
  <row Id="13614" PostId="6518" Score="0" Text="@Mokubai's right, SU's just the passive recipient of the question -- the decision happened on SF." CreationDate="2014-08-15T02:15:34.190" UserId="76162" />
  <row Id="13616" PostId="6518" Score="4" Text="I was not involved in this, and I saw this question and decided _not_ to close it, but I would guess that it had something to do with an apparent unexplained disregard for best practices (which wasn't [explained](http://superuser.com/questions/797205/setup-php-from-source-and-mod-fgcid-on-centos-6-getting-permission-denied#comment1040825_797205) until _after_ the question was migrated)." CreationDate="2014-08-15T13:00:59.493" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13622" PostId="6519" Score="0" Text="Offtopic to this meta question, but does `restorecon` get called automatically, or does it require manual execution?" CreationDate="2014-08-17T21:10:47.440" UserId="35246" />
  <row Id="13618" PostId="6520" Score="0" Text="Do you have an example ?" CreationDate="2014-08-17T06:57:20.200" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13620" PostId="6520" Score="0" Text="@Iain http://serverfault.com/questions/194567/how-do-i-tell-git-for-windows-where-to-find-my-private-rsa-key" CreationDate="2014-08-17T10:13:38.577" UserId="112378" />
  <row Id="13621" PostId="6520" Score="0" Text="Doesn't appear on VTC anymore either." CreationDate="2014-08-17T20:50:40.680" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13623" PostId="6521" Score="3" Text="It would be easier to respond if you'd include links to the answers." CreationDate="2014-08-21T07:05:31.973" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="13624" PostId="6521" Score="1" Text="Added link to the question." CreationDate="2014-08-21T07:08:26.547" UserId="214885" />
  <row Id="13625" PostId="6522" Score="1" Text="Got it. I will take this into consideration from now on." CreationDate="2014-08-21T07:20:54.600" UserId="214885" />
  <row Id="13626" PostId="6523" Score="3" Text="Because it's a shopping suggestion?" CreationDate="2014-08-21T11:32:07.263" UserId="105072" />
  <row Id="13627" PostId="6524" Score="0" Text="+1 THIS! So much of this" CreationDate="2014-08-21T13:53:10.620" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13640" PostId="6524" Score="5" Text="This should really be explained network wide." CreationDate="2014-08-28T08:56:27.847" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="13630" PostId="6526" Score="0" Text="There are people who walk this tightrope well, most don manage it al all though." CreationDate="2014-08-21T21:56:46.840" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13632" PostId="6526" Score="0" Text="I agree. It would be nice if such a post cost rep. Then they would have to genuinely contribute to the community in order to post it. Although enforcing this would be difficult." CreationDate="2014-08-22T14:05:40.117" UserId="137694" />
  <row Id="13633" PostId="6526" Score="3" Text="Downvotes do the trick, as would flagging if its spammy." CreationDate="2014-08-22T14:06:22.387" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="13641" PostId="6526" Score="0" Text="+1 even if I disagree with item 3. What matters is the quality of the answer, not who gave it." CreationDate="2014-08-28T13:08:22.077" UserId="4276" />
  <row Id="13642" PostId="6526" Score="0" Text="Well thats why its number 3. However that's a paraphrase of the rules on self promotion, and how its generally enforced. If someone posts great *specific* answers, or answers questions *on* $product well enough, no one might mind." CreationDate="2014-08-28T13:13:09.733" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="13638" PostId="6527" Score="0" Text="It looks like you have broad agreement to burninate - it's your idea so it's up to you to organise it." CreationDate="2014-08-26T16:47:54.740" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13635" PostId="6528" Score="0" Text="Without further clarification, it's always going to end up as a dumping ground for questions from people thinking &quot;well I'm changing my socks while doing this so...&quot;, or whatever, so yeah burniate for sure." CreationDate="2014-08-26T09:09:28.813" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13636" PostId="6528" Score="1" Text="@RobM It looks like people try to use it as [tag:change] [tag:password] or similar not realising that the tags get ordered by popularity ..." CreationDate="2014-08-26T16:46:01.877" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13637" PostId="6528" Score="0" Text="yah. either way, holding its feet to the fire should fix things" CreationDate="2014-08-26T16:46:55.537" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13639" PostId="6532" Score="0" Text="Agreed, sounds like it would be on-topic, but hard to tell sometimes..." CreationDate="2014-08-27T12:58:46.250" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13651" PostId="6533" Score="1" Text="You provided an example of an answer that is of poor quality and does not meet your bar, but you did not provide an example of one that meets the bar. It would help drive the discussion if you were to provide one." CreationDate="2014-09-02T16:01:28.680" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13652" PostId="6533" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB I'll update my question next time I come across a good example." CreationDate="2014-09-02T16:39:41.360" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13687" PostId="6533" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB I have added an example where much more effort was put into the question than the answer." CreationDate="2014-09-06T10:29:30.867" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13706" PostId="6533" Score="0" Text="That answer was pretty bad. But so was the question. They've both since been deleted by one of the bots..." CreationDate="2014-09-14T22:02:42.560" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13707" PostId="6533" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Are you referring to the one, which I said was below the bar?" CreationDate="2014-09-15T06:05:04.810" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13644" PostId="6535" Score="0" Text="What to do with the answer is a moot point, if we want to remove the question for being poor quality. Assuming the question itself is good enough for the site, how high does the quality bar for an answer written by the OP have to be?" CreationDate="2014-08-31T15:43:04.943" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13645" PostId="6535" Score="0" Text="The same as for anyone else." CreationDate="2014-08-31T15:56:38.657" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13646" PostId="6535" Score="0" Text="Would you rather see the OP disappear without leaving a clue, once the problem has been solved?" CreationDate="2014-08-31T17:22:40.127" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13647" PostId="6535" Score="0" Text="I don't see what you're getting at, that happens all the time whether the OP answered the question or not. A crappy answer should be dealt with in the same manner whoever provides it." CreationDate="2014-08-31T17:25:27.577" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13648" PostId="6535" Score="0" Text="I don't understand your reasoning. If I was the one facing a similar problem in the future and found a question written by somebody having faced it earlier, I would consider it much more helpful if the OP had posted a vague answer of how the problem was resolved than a question without any answer whatsoever." CreationDate="2014-08-31T17:30:45.610" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13649" PostId="6535" Score="2" Text="I haven't commented on the content, I commented on the on the concept of giving OPs who provide crappy answers more latitude which I disagree with. A crappy answer is a crappy answer whoever provided it and should be dealt with evenhandedly." CreationDate="2014-08-31T17:37:30.563" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13650" PostId="6536" Score="0" Text="I wasn't asking what to do about poor questions. I was asking what to do about poor answers, in particular if the question happen to be a good question." CreationDate="2014-09-02T12:13:09.013" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13653" PostId="6538" Score="8" Text="Yes and add plex to the list too." CreationDate="2014-09-04T06:28:01.210" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13655" PostId="6538" Score="0" Text="Damn, how could I have forgotten about plesk?  Indeed, that one needs to die too." CreationDate="2014-09-04T06:35:53.843" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13656" PostId="6538" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I just finished reviewing and feel like putting a sharp object through the screen after that bunch of cpanel and whm questions.  The only good point was Iain's comment on another crappy question &quot;My guess is solar flares.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-09-04T06:37:49.707" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13657" PostId="6538" Score="7" Text="[tag:zpanel] is a rivulet of sewerage too. @Ward did you notice the link under [solar flares](http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ballard/bofh/bofhserver.pl)?" CreationDate="2014-09-04T06:45:35.770" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13658" PostId="6538" Score="10" Text="Maybe we can do a stackexchange TV show about why these things are crap." CreationDate="2014-09-04T07:37:32.413" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13659" PostId="6538" Score="4" Text="I feel this rant is directed at my question... Come and visit, I don't have enough down votes yet!" CreationDate="2014-09-04T08:39:26.120" UserId="240770" />
  <row Id="13660" PostId="6538" Score="1" Text="@CJDennis don't delude yourself - it's only -2 there are some real shockers out there today." CreationDate="2014-09-04T08:43:42.033" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13661" PostId="6538" Score="2" Text="@Iain plex, or Plesk? Plex is a media server (fairly decent, too), Plesk...isn't." CreationDate="2014-09-04T09:12:40.957" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="13662" PostId="6538" Score="0" Text="@tombull89 the noob already caught that !" CreationDate="2014-09-04T09:13:23.117" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13663" PostId="6538" Score="14" Text="Friends don't let friends use /(.?p(ane)?l(ex)?|w(h|eb)m(in)?)/" CreationDate="2014-09-04T09:31:11.080" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="13664" PostId="6538" Score="2" Text="Is it possible to warn users when trying to use the tags on new questions, that their question is likely to be off-topic?" CreationDate="2014-09-04T10:09:09.843" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13665" PostId="6538" Score="1" Text="@kasperd That facility doesn't exist. The closest you might get is the list of `Questions that may already have your answer` which might show lots of closed questions ..." CreationDate="2014-09-04T10:34:43.197" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17360" PostId="6538" Score="1" Text="You should probably add [kloxo](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/kloxo) to the list as well." CreationDate="2015-04-09T17:50:06.207" UserDisplayName="user186340" />
  <row Id="20281" PostId="6538" Score="0" Text="Not just kill the tag, but delete all posts altogether.  When a user tries to make a new post with cpanel/whm/etc keywords in the text, title, or body -- it should block posting completely.  Given this is a banned topic, it makes no sense why you choose to leave in public view an archive of something not supported and closed/locked/etc abruptly halting any viable conversation on those topics.  So support them -- or nuke them completely so this site doesn't come up in search for them." CreationDate="2016-01-30T08:15:01.790" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20296" PostId="6538" Score="1" Text="@SanuelJackson As explained elsewhere, the presence of the word &quot;cPanel&quot; in a question does not make it off-topic. You can keep saying &quot;this is a banned topic&quot; as much as you'd like, but it is still false." CreationDate="2016-01-30T18:41:27.600" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20297" PostId="6538" Score="0" Text="It it was false then it wouldn't be a problem showing me an example of a question where cPanel was the topic, about administrating a machine that happens to have cPanel on it, which were ~not~ negatively flagged (off-topic / closed / etc) which show a solution.  I can show hundreds of questions that have response back from this community, yet the conversation was disrupted by negative flags on the question. I understand if meta doesn't feel like answering, but they do not make up 'the community' -- unless that is how you define it, which is still left unclear what 'the community' is to you." CreationDate="2016-01-30T18:56:29.487" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="13684" PostId="6539" Score="1" Text="When you burn those kind of tags &quot;This is not system administration within the meaning of Server Fault&quot; you need to go with a hammer too, to close those questions along the way." CreationDate="2014-09-05T00:54:56.340" UserId="180142" />
  <row Id="13666" PostId="6540" Score="0" Text="So we shouldn't have [this canonical](http://serverfault.com/q/215405/126632) either?" CreationDate="2014-09-04T11:20:15.123" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13667" PostId="6540" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton if you're going to be like that do it [properly](http://serverfault.com/questions/531941/i-am-under-ddos-what-can-i-do) :)" CreationDate="2014-09-04T11:33:09.063" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13668" PostId="6540" Score="0" Text="@Iain In a fantastically hilarious (to me) coincidence, my employer's corporate network has been getting DDoSed since shortly after you posted the comment pointing to Falcon's canonical about DDoS attacks." CreationDate="2014-09-04T13:23:29.047" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13671" PostId="6540" Score="2" Text="I could see some benefit of a canonical QA on this were we lay out well-reasoned, well-explained reasons why control panels are to be avoided at all costs." CreationDate="2014-09-04T15:03:58.947" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="13689" PostId="6540" Score="1" Text="The software licence canonical question turned into flamebait for people who wanted to explain about how they *knew* that SF didn't allow licensing questions but they were a special snowflake, so... or people who wanted to rant about how we all smell faintly of wee because we closed their licence question, or how about they've been on the site for 20 whole seconds and therefore knew better than everyone else about how we should allow those questions and were therefore wrong to close them. I can see this going the same way which isn't a reason not to do it, just a prediction of the reaction." CreationDate="2014-09-06T21:35:00.523" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13669" PostId="6541" Score="2" Text="In the past I'm sure webmasters have declined to accept hosting panel questions." CreationDate="2014-09-04T14:19:21.270" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13670" PostId="6541" Score="0" Text="My understanding might be incorrect. We'll find out soon enough." CreationDate="2014-09-04T14:48:12.610" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13683" PostId="6541" Score="6" Text="Pro Webmasters does have tags for [cPanel](http://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/cpanel), [Plesk](http://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/plesk), and [Webmin](http://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/webmin), and although they don't represent the majority of questions there by any means, _decent_ questions regarding these and basic web server configuration (e.g., Apache _.htaccess_, IIS _web.config_, and nginx configuration) are acceptable for migration there." CreationDate="2014-09-05T00:03:42.677" UserId="239138" />
  <row Id="16975" PostId="6541" Score="0" Text="I'm curious, have you dealt with any panel questions that have been flagged for migration and if so how did it go ?" CreationDate="2015-02-18T22:42:06.893" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="16977" PostId="6541" Score="0" Text="@Iain Overall I have no idea. The stats show 9 posts migrated to webmasters recently. One was deleted by its author, another was closed as too broad. I don't think we're sending enough stuff over there to draw any conclusions." CreationDate="2015-02-18T22:52:01.633" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17412" PostId="6541" Score="1" Text="Apparently everyone [missed this answer](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8054/abrupt-change-in-moderation-staff)" CreationDate="2015-04-10T12:34:41.513" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17457" PostId="6541" Score="1" Text="@BigHomie That's because we don't have time machines." CreationDate="2015-04-10T17:46:58.820" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17459" PostId="6541" Score="1" Text="Heh, I was talking about this answer of yours here, but I have a feeling it would warrant a *Yeah but he wasn't serious* rash of comments :-)" CreationDate="2015-04-10T17:57:26.627" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="13673" PostId="6542" Score="5" Text="Thanks for asking here first by the way, seriously, you've no idea how many people just wade in without thought." CreationDate="2014-09-04T15:53:34.093" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="13674" PostId="6542" Score="0" Text="Racks perhaps but servers nope." CreationDate="2014-09-04T16:46:57.463" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13680" PostId="6542" Score="0" Text="What do you need to know?" CreationDate="2014-09-04T18:00:23.110" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13685" PostId="6542" Score="0" Text="@ewwhite The main thing for me is the wiring part. For example, I got a SuperMicro motherboard, and with in it comes an A3 paper indicating what type of RAM, and CPU(s) it requires, which is pretty strait forward. Also I can check what sort of chassis it needs, but how to wire it, based on the board specification, is a challenge." CreationDate="2014-09-05T09:01:44.697" UserId="233752" />
  <row Id="13688" PostId="6542" Score="2" Text="@DaveRose That's stuff that's off-topic (how to build your own server)." CreationDate="2014-09-06T17:01:14.087" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13703" PostId="6542" Score="0" Text="You might want to change the title of your question. It looks like your question is (is X **off** topic), and your full question is (is X **on** topic). A yes/no response is hard to understand when you're asking the question both ways." CreationDate="2014-09-13T03:15:11.473" UserId="105665" />
  <row Id="13672" PostId="6543" Score="5" Text="With one caveat: Assembling a rack in the basement of your home might be frowned upon..." CreationDate="2014-09-04T15:53:16.553" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13678" PostId="6543" Score="15" Text="I have an HP 10000 Series rack in the basement of my home, my wife is the only one frowning." CreationDate="2014-09-04T17:10:21.173" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13679" PostId="6543" Score="1" Text="Um... I used an Ikea table to hold a patch panel a couple months ago when my rack was delayed in shipping. http://i.stack.imgur.com/nzMV1.jpg" CreationDate="2014-09-04T17:40:10.763" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13681" PostId="6543" Score="3" Text="@Ward I was thinking of Ikea's Lack table, which is almost exactly 19&quot; wide and about 31&quot; deep. Details: https://wiki.eth0.nl/index.php/LackRack" CreationDate="2014-09-04T18:34:39.303" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13682" PostId="6543" Score="0" Text="@Chris Yeah, I've seen those, just thought it was funny timing that I did recently use an Ikea table &quot;professionally.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-09-04T19:26:12.693" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13675" PostId="6544" Score="3" Text="To be a little technical or pedantic, in your scenario, the non-technical person, who's not an IT professional, would be the user, and the professional would still not be using that shit.  But yes, this would be the corner case that's been the reason we have historically suffered the existence of tags for these administration panels.  Every once in a long while, there is or could be an on-topic question where these abominations/products are relevant." CreationDate="2014-09-04T16:53:10.217" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13676" PostId="6544" Score="3" Text="This is the case of bullet point 2 in my answer. They don't exist. People should be required to participate and have upvoted answers before they can ask a question." CreationDate="2014-09-04T16:53:50.280" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13677" PostId="6544" Score="1" Text="@Iain, good point.  You did raise it.  I misread it as &quot;- if you are providing Panel systems... look! Fire and skulls!&quot;" CreationDate="2014-09-04T17:04:32.843" UserId="44692" />
  <row Id="13694" PostId="6544" Score="2" Text="fwiw, as an entrepreneur I'm forced into the role of server and network manager at my business. At least until my income after taxes pays all my personal bills. :p  BUT my 2¢ would be to push the questions to webmasters or web apps SEs." CreationDate="2014-09-09T19:12:56.090" UserId="123098" />
  <row Id="13699" PostId="6552" Score="0" Text="That's good to know; I've always used the age as the major disriminator for all kinds of small edit.  If it's a new posting, any fixup is welcome; but if it's been around for four years, why grant it a trip back to the top of the front page just for something minor?" CreationDate="2014-09-11T07:34:57.280" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13700" PostId="6553" Score="1" Text="I'm curious about the way most people reach the site. Before participating more actively, I would reach it through Google. I wonder if bumping questions to the top of the front page is really something to worry about (i.e. if people really check the frontpage for new stuff)." CreationDate="2014-09-11T12:53:23.203" UserId="45673" />
  <row Id="13701" PostId="6553" Score="2" Text="@gtirloni Well, it is is an inconvenience for the regualr members we do have, who tend to participate primarily by looking through the front page for posts of interest.  Don't want to hit them with a flood of old posts that just had the salutation removed." CreationDate="2014-09-11T17:11:00.933" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13702" PostId="6556" Score="0" Text="Ohh...  I never seen that post thanks for your reply :) Interesting ..." CreationDate="2014-09-12T15:02:56.317" UserId="78236" />
  <row Id="13704" PostId="6558" Score="0" Text="It hadn't been deleted yet, when I tried to flag it. Do you agree that flagging as very low quality would have been appropriate for that answer?" CreationDate="2014-09-13T13:29:28.760" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="13705" PostId="6558" Score="1" Text="Yes, very low quality would be appropriate. The answer was complete nonsense, and even after poking at it with some moderator-only tools I'm still not sure how it got an upvote." CreationDate="2014-09-13T13:30:14.083" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13708" PostId="6561" Score="0" Text="We recently asked the SE team to review the audit-ban process as some users were failing ***a lot*** of audits but were *not* getting banned. I didn't see any official decree that something has changed (so perhaps it hasn't changed), but I see some users are getting banned now, looks like it started mid August 2014." CreationDate="2014-09-17T14:07:01.260" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13710" PostId="6561" Score="0" Text="I think that the changes to the audit-ban algorithm are way too sensitive now." CreationDate="2014-09-17T15:46:34.170" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="13711" PostId="6561" Score="1" Text="@mdpc You failed more than a few audits... It seems pretty accurate if not forgiving." CreationDate="2014-09-17T15:48:34.157" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13712" PostId="6561" Score="0" Text="@chris - Re-banning after only a very few audit-ban  &quot;errors&quot; (5 within a month) is pretty aggressive.  Especially since I have some disagreement with some of the &quot;answer&quot; criteria used." CreationDate="2014-09-17T16:08:21.597" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="13713" PostId="6561" Score="1" Text="@mdpc Sure, but it took a few more than 5 to get the first ban. I think they expect you to be more careful after you've been banned once, and then twice..." CreationDate="2014-09-17T17:04:27.270" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13714" PostId="6561" Score="1" Text="My impression is that the audits have been a bit better lately (last several months).  Although bad audits show up once in a while (where the question really deserves the vote you gave, but the review algorithm says your vote is wrong), I haven't noticed as many recently.  If you're paying attention and truly reviewing the questions, it's rare to make a mistake." CreationDate="2014-09-17T17:19:04.877" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13715" PostId="6561" Score="6" Text="Too bad there isn't a button to &quot;dispute&quot; the results and provide the rationale.  This would help to tune the system better." CreationDate="2014-09-17T17:34:47.703" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="13709" PostId="6562" Score="0" Text="Verified. Correction made to the tag. Thank you!" CreationDate="2014-09-17T14:22:59.367" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13717" PostId="6563" Score="0" Text="Ooh seach has ranges, I like this one which is all open, unanswered, 0 or lower votes from Jan 2009 to Aug 2013 [answers:0 votes:-22...0 closed:0 answers:0 locked:0 created:2009-01..2013-08-31](http://serverfault.com/search?page=54&amp;tab=active&amp;q=answers%3a0%20votes%3a-22...0%20closed%3a0%20answers%3a0%20locked%3a0%20created%3a2009-01..2013-08-31)" CreationDate="2014-09-18T16:03:45.997" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13718" PostId="6563" Score="0" Text="The query above currently return 2667 questions that the cleaning faeries failed to delete for one reason or another (mostly the number of comments). My view, anything unanswered and &gt;12 months old isn't really useful now." CreationDate="2014-09-18T16:08:39.883" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13719" PostId="6563" Score="0" Text="@Iain I tend to agree, but there's a Q from 2011 that shows up in the first search I've got in this answer, and the guy who posted it commented when it got some downvotes: http://serverfault.com/questions/250514/problems-with-mysql-replication-over-ssl-and-reconnecting-io-threads" CreationDate="2014-09-18T16:48:45.820" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13720" PostId="6563" Score="0" Text="I think it's probably ok to leave open an old unloved Q if it's a decent Q and still at least somewhat relevant.  But the crappy ones should get nuked." CreationDate="2014-09-18T16:50:13.517" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13721" PostId="6563" Score="0" Text="If something is that critical and we can't solve it in 3 (years|months|weeks) then the OP should really be looking to the manufacturer for support." CreationDate="2014-09-18T16:58:48.830" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13722" PostId="6563" Score="0" Text="The size of the close vote review queue indicates that we mostly agree on this, and so do at least a couple other people.  We just need some more close-vote faeries to do their part before the auto-delete faeries come along." CreationDate="2014-09-18T17:07:15.373" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13723" PostId="6563" Score="0" Text="The link above is stuff the in house auto delete faeries are leaving for one reason or another. The review queueueueues I never go near due to #audits. It seems like fewer and fewer people are bothering too." CreationDate="2014-09-18T17:10:59.273" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13724" PostId="6563" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I was surprised at how many of the old unloved Qs tell me &quot;You've already voted to close this&quot;  But apparently not enough people reviewed or otherwise saw those Qs so my vote aged away." CreationDate="2014-09-18T17:20:01.737" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13727" PostId="6564" Score="3" Text="I asked a few people in chat and noone really understands your deleted question. I'll guess that it was downvoted as per the tooltip for being unclear. If it's as important as you suggest then if the SF community can't help you after a month then perhaps you should seek professional services from somewhere." CreationDate="2014-09-19T16:53:25.667" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13725" PostId="6565" Score="1" Text="Normally when one downvotes  s/he has to give some explanations (and to me this is a sign that the question is not inherently offtopic or ill-posed).  Anyway, do you know if/how it can be migrated elsewhere (to avoid cross posting)?" CreationDate="2014-09-19T10:13:02.927" UserId="186731" />
  <row Id="13726" PostId="6565" Score="11" Text="@antonio - There is no such requirement to comment when downvoting." CreationDate="2014-09-19T16:25:33.047" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="13811" PostId="6565" Score="0" Text="Not only that, but suggestions to require a comment on downvotes have been made repeatedly and shot down on various Meta sites." CreationDate="2014-10-01T09:21:01.387" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="13820" PostId="6567" Score="0" Text="But what if we are trying to test a Ansible or Chef workflow? (Hate to muddy the waters, but this is something I'm going to try this month)" CreationDate="2014-10-02T20:20:59.220" UserId="82393" />
  <row Id="13823" PostId="6567" Score="0" Text="@jrg &quot;DevOps&quot; does muddy the waters a bit, [as I've noted elsewhere](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/271289/1068283). Just be sure your question is clearly _ops_." CreationDate="2014-10-04T03:46:44.040" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13729" PostId="6570" Score="0" Text="So we're saying edits that improve answers should be rejected, because they aren't required?" CreationDate="2014-09-24T11:50:13.737" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13730" PostId="6570" Score="1" Text="@Flimm I like your edit. I don't think I can approve it after the fact though." CreationDate="2014-09-24T11:55:58.443" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="13731" PostId="6570" Score="5" Text="@Flimm You'll note that I have not entered into the debate about whether your edit improved the answer or not. It's only your opinion that it was an improvement, clearly 2 reviewers don't agree with you." CreationDate="2014-09-24T11:56:04.780" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13732" PostId="6570" Score="0" Text="They rejected my review because they said it was invalid, when it isn't! They were free to choose another reason. I completely disagree with your entire post, the reason that would fit best is &quot;custom&quot;, not &quot;invalid edit&quot; when it is in fact a valid edit." CreationDate="2014-09-24T14:25:45.143" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13733" PostId="6570" Score="0" Text="Also, you didn't answer my question in the first comment." CreationDate="2014-09-24T14:28:36.683" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13734" PostId="6570" Score="6" Text="@Flimm You are focusing too literally on 'invalid'. It is clearly not a valid edit as it has been classed as such by members of the community. I am guessing that the reviewers considered it invalid because it did not enhance the answer sufficiently - note that it currently has 90+ upvotes. It is clearly readable, understandable and has stood the test of time. I did answer you question but you don't like what I said. Your comment is based on _your_ belief that the edit was good when it was deemed not to be by reviewers. Honestly, stop whingeing and move on." CreationDate="2014-09-24T14:57:04.327" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13736" PostId="6570" Score="0" Text="This attitude that the reviewers are always right and define validity is very frustrating." CreationDate="2014-09-24T15:08:32.733" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13737" PostId="6570" Score="0" Text="I asked &quot;should edits that improve answers (but that aren't required) be rejected?&quot;, where did you answer that question?" CreationDate="2014-09-24T15:17:24.963" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13738" PostId="6570" Score="3" Text="@Flimm - the only question I see in your question here is the one in the title: *&quot;Why was my edit rejected?&quot;*. Iain answered that, regardless of whether or not you like the answer. As for the &quot;attitude&quot; you talk about here, I'm not sure what else you'd suggest. If there were no reviewers and edits were always approved then the site would very rapidly become vandalised beyond the point it was useful; there are a lot of attempts made to edit questions to introduce nonsense, &quot;me too&quot; responses, requests for further help from a third party who don't know how the site works, and of course, spam." CreationDate="2014-09-24T16:37:33.500" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13739" PostId="6570" Score="0" Text="I'm not suggesting deleting the review system at all! Currently there are no consequences for bad reviews, and only low-rep users bear the brunt of bad reviewing, and they are more likely to just not come back than to complain. (The question referred to by Iain and I is the clarifying question I asked in the first comment of this post.)" CreationDate="2014-09-24T17:19:33.343" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13740" PostId="6570" Score="0" Text="I would suggest something like peer-review of maybe 1% of the reviews, the system to detect bots is not enough in my opinion." CreationDate="2014-09-24T17:21:17.237" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13741" PostId="6570" Score="0" Text="Also, Iain didn't answer my question post in his answer post, with this explanation http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6569/why-was-my-edit-rejected#comment13731_6570" CreationDate="2014-09-24T17:25:49.540" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13742" PostId="6570" Score="1" Text="@Flimm Suggestions on how to change systems global to all Stack Exchange sites (not just ours) don't accomplish much on a site specific meta site. You can try [meta.SE](http://meta.stackexchange.com/), but search for duplicates as it has almost certainly come up before." CreationDate="2014-09-24T17:32:35.213" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13747" PostId="6570" Score="0" Text="@Flimm if you invested a quarter of the energy into writing your own content on the main site that you've invested into complaining about one little thing here, you'd probably have made a massive contribution to some people who are desperate for help and (judging by my own experiences and reasons for answering questions) learnt a few new things about the systems you were talking about too." CreationDate="2014-09-24T21:06:11.663" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13748" PostId="6570" Score="2" Text="@Flimm There is no question to answer in your first comment as it is based on a fallacy. To gain the privilege of reviewing edits people have to put some effort into providing content for the site which is approved of by the community. At the rate that you're doing that you'll just about never get that privilege so just quit now whilst you're behind. To be honest I think you're just trolling us now." CreationDate="2014-09-24T21:17:42.813" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13751" PostId="6570" Score="0" Text="I know how the review system works, I've been a reviewer on other SE sites. What fallacy are you referring to? Did you really just tell me to &quot;quit now whilst you're behind&quot;, though? I'm getting the impression that reviewers can't be questioned because they've earned the rep to review, and low-rep users might as well quit now? Fortunately for me, I have enough experience on other SE sites to know that it's worth staying around despite this experience. If you think I'm a troll, please have a look at all my SE profiles and tell me if that's fair." CreationDate="2014-09-25T10:35:54.797" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13752" PostId="6570" Score="2" Text="@Flimm You are a _completely new user_ here with no significant participation (questions or answers); your experience on other SE sites only demonstrates conclusively that you're familiar with the software. In particular, it does not suggest that you will be a high-quality contributor. Our more cynical members might even take it as suggesting that you will end up being a _low-quality_ contributor, based on long observation. Remember that [SF] is unique among SE sites in its _professional_ focus, and therefore operates somewhat differently." CreationDate="2014-09-28T12:29:28.413" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13755" PostId="6570" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton: What you said is true. I am familiar with the software, and I am not currently a high-quality contributor to Server Fault. What are you suggesting I should do or stop doing based on these facts?" CreationDate="2014-09-29T10:29:03.463" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13756" PostId="6570" Score="0" Text="@Flimm Take the [tour], ask and/or answer questions." CreationDate="2014-09-29T13:31:18.383" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13757" PostId="6570" Score="0" Text="@Michael Hampton: ah, maybe I should let this conversation drop, but I can't help it. You omitted &quot;editing posts&quot;, was that deliberate? How can we allow low-rep users to challenge bad reviews, considering that 2000+ rep users are completely blind to bad rejections, they simply don't see them? All I'm trying to do is to make high-rep users aware that there is bad reviewing going on (rejecting a bad edit for the wrong reason is bad reviewing too). I admit that my linked example isn't great." CreationDate="2014-09-29T14:10:06.030" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13758" PostId="6570" Score="1" Text="This will be my last comment, feel free to have the last word. I'm sorry that this got off to a bad start but I do feel that I understand Iain and others' position better now, so thank you for answering my questions :)" CreationDate="2014-09-29T14:15:22.340" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13744" PostId="6571" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. |||" CreationDate="2014-09-24T17:57:29.787" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13746" PostId="6571" Score="1" Text="If the other 4 canned reject reasons don't cover the situation, then the custom box should be used, though, that's what it's there for." CreationDate="2014-09-24T18:03:38.373" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13750" PostId="6571" Score="1" Text="You're right I was being [tag:pink-and-fluffy]." CreationDate="2014-09-24T21:32:15.367" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13749" PostId="6573" Score="5" Text="Adding information to an original answer is explicitly allowed by the community guidelines." CreationDate="2014-09-24T21:19:50.727" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="13753" PostId="6574" Score="1" Text="I'm pretty sure I covered this, but it always helps to reinforce the point." CreationDate="2014-09-28T12:31:08.237" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13754" PostId="6574" Score="2" Text="I wouldn't disagree - I thought your answer excellent as regards things that ought to be secret.  I might just go further than you in suggesting that *everything* that doesn't need to be secret, be public." CreationDate="2014-09-28T20:05:22.913" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13768" PostId="6576" Score="0" Text="Thanks.  I've flagged it for migration." CreationDate="2014-09-29T19:13:24.780" UserId="243620" />
  <row Id="13787" PostId="6582" Score="0" Text="I will do that. At the same time i want to allow people who try to implement Y for other reasons to find my question." CreationDate="2014-09-30T12:54:54.137" UserId="165450" />
  <row Id="13788" PostId="6582" Score="0" Text="If &quot;Y&quot; is &quot;cause the resolver to not send AAAA queries&quot; then &quot;other reasons&quot; are probably wrong too. :)" CreationDate="2014-09-30T12:57:41.803" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13789" PostId="6582" Score="0" Text="Ah, there we go ... What about speeding up connection start by 50% where there is no IPv4 anyway? Yes, a local DNS cache would help, but disabling AAAA even more so, in particular where upstream DNS is laggy. Assume that i'd (re-)enable AAAA when/where IPv6 is available." CreationDate="2014-09-30T13:12:24.280" UserId="165450" />
  <row Id="13801" PostId="6582" Score="3" Text="@NilsToedtmann You immediately solve the XY Problem when you mention X (that bit about the 50%, local cache, and all that). This is exactly what we're talking about. When you mention X and Y we might know a better Y and write an answer about that, or maybe Y doesn't even solve X. When you only mention your Y and leave out the X then you'll miss out on the better solution. Also this tends to crop up with weird and outlandish &quot;Y&quot; solutions, where the proposed solution runs upstream to all &quot;normal&quot; configurations and is likely to cause it's own problems." CreationDate="2014-09-30T14:01:28.463" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13802" PostId="6582" Score="0" Text="Cool. And mentioning X will be enough to spare me the 'closed-as-dupe' fate?" CreationDate="2014-09-30T14:05:07.387" UserId="165450" />
  <row Id="13803" PostId="6582" Score="0" Text="See my &quot;direct&quot; answer below." CreationDate="2014-09-30T14:06:31.670" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13812" PostId="6582" Score="0" Text="Thx. I updated my post with a link to my new question" CreationDate="2014-10-01T09:29:09.777" UserId="165450" />
  <row Id="13805" PostId="6583" Score="4" Text="Certainly the most sound advice is to *`Capitalize &quot;I&quot;`*" CreationDate="2014-09-30T15:32:31.880" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="13809" PostId="6586" Score="2" Text="You mean [like this](http://serverfault.com/q/447714/126632)?" CreationDate="2014-10-01T02:55:50.227" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13810" PostId="6586" Score="4" Text="Regarding tutorials, many questions we see say 'I am trying to follow tutorial xyzzy and it doesn't work...' They are prime candidates for the minimal understanding close reason." CreationDate="2014-10-01T07:15:18.937" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13813" PostId="6586" Score="3" Text="@Iain Yeah, a question that says &quot;I followed the steps here (and gives a link to some other site)&quot; is always a big red flag." CreationDate="2014-10-01T10:03:31.537" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13824" PostId="6586" Score="1" Text="I should also note that, when the custom close reasons feature was introduced, [we blatantly ripped this one off from SO](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/5632/126632), but they have [since gotten rid of it](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/257868/1068283). Its replacement is much more specific about what the problem with such questions is." CreationDate="2014-10-04T03:53:50.973" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13817" PostId="6587" Score="1" Text="Ignorant questions that fit the description a [XY problem](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-xy-problem) also tend to fall into this category. If the asker doesn't understand the subject matter at all to begin with and the discussion starts ten miles down the rabbit hole, there's not a whole lot that can be done. The only possibilities are to either teach the subject from the ground up (which we don't do here), or shut the whole Q&amp;A down." CreationDate="2014-10-02T04:29:39.120" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13814" PostId="6589" Score="0" Text="I do sometimes leave a comment pointing someone in the direction of the starting point for learning about something if I'm closing a question for minimal understanding." CreationDate="2014-10-01T11:21:58.687" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13815" PostId="6589" Score="1" Text="Yes, that's OK. But don't just post the answer from stuff you can google in 5 seconds. Or post a link to LMGTFY" CreationDate="2014-10-01T13:50:08.590" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="13816" PostId="6589" Score="0" Text="Absolutely. The lelve I'm talking about is adding a comment telling someone to read *DNS and Bind* while closing their &quot;Halp! I accidentally all the A recordz LOL!&quot; question." CreationDate="2014-10-01T14:00:11.433" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13819" PostId="6590" Score="1" Text="This is pretty much where I am.  If someone's clearly wandered in without the relevant toolkit, and doesn't even realise that they need it, it's *minimal understanding* time for me." CreationDate="2014-10-02T20:04:21.253" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13818" PostId="6591" Score="4" Text="A new sysadmin wouldn't be clueless, they would have some basics on which to build. The cluelessness we see is largely amateurs way over their heads." CreationDate="2014-10-02T17:08:42.383" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13895" PostId="6591" Score="1" Text="@Iain And a certain lack of mentorship..." CreationDate="2014-10-17T13:01:23.670" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13846" PostId="6592" Score="0" Text="Further, &quot;RTFM, specifically section 4 paragraph 23 - X means Y and Z&quot; *is* useful; IMO &quot;minimal understanding&quot; is something like &quot;I came here to fix the plumbing and they want me to do something on the server, help!&quot;." CreationDate="2014-10-09T04:08:03.370" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="13851" PostId="6594" Score="1" Text="I, for one, don't like the new list much; it means I'm constantly having to type in the custom box &quot;too little, too late&quot; (ie, given how old the original material was, I'd want to see much more of an improvement than the *sub judice* edit introduces&quot;)." CreationDate="2014-10-10T11:37:46.303" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13868" PostId="6594" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter: How does &quot;too little, too late&quot; cause harm? Just because you want to reject edits that you don't like doesn't mean that they cause harm." CreationDate="2014-10-13T08:57:10.687" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13869" PostId="6594" Score="6" Text="See the first point in AndrewB's top-rated answer,above: &quot;*Edits bump a topic back to the front page. The longer it's been since an edit, particularly if the Q&amp;A has run its course, the more likely it is that the edit will be rejected.*&quot;.  For my money, if you want to do a grammar fixup, or highlight a link or two, in the first day or two of a post's life, that's brilliant - all clarification helps, and it only bumps the post up a few places on the front page.  But if it's from 2009, then I need a much better reason to effectively move the post half a million places up the attention queue." CreationDate="2014-10-13T09:10:43.110" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13870" PostId="6594" Score="4" Text="*tl;dr*: If you want me to approve an edit to an old post, it needs to be a much better and more substantial edit than if the post were first made earlier today." CreationDate="2014-10-13T09:18:03.043" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13969" PostId="6594" Score="0" Text="I can only hope that 2000+ rep users on this site follow the guidance of SE staff, for the sake of low-rep users." CreationDate="2014-11-10T10:06:01.713" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="13970" PostId="6594" Score="3" Text="It is a reasonable hope, but your choice of language presumes a bias.  Note that, whatever else the SE staff may say, they also note that [&quot;*At the high end of this reputation spectrum there is little difference between users with high reputation and ♦ moderators. That is intentional. We don’t run this site. The community does.*&quot;](http://serverfault.com/help/whats-reputation).  If the community takes a position, the site's owners may not automatically slap them down." CreationDate="2014-11-10T18:55:23.837" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13845" PostId="6595" Score="2" Text="Closely related: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6159" CreationDate="2014-10-09T02:05:58.950" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13848" PostId="6595" Score="1" Text="Ah...Yes. Looks like this question was subset of question with no-possible-answer. And we should treat this type of question was same as above." CreationDate="2014-10-09T15:20:37.287" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="13849" PostId="6596" Score="2" Text="+1. Why should we putting work on mods when we can let the system do their jobs? It reminds me to featured meta discussion [How to find and clean up bad questions](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5781/how-to-find-and-clean-up-bad-questions)" CreationDate="2014-10-09T15:25:44.047" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="19089" PostId="6597" Score="0" Text="randomly ended up here, thanks &quot;Related&quot; block. imho the answers are total shame for the technology-oriented website and the nation which grows such engineering culture would succumb to a huge inflow of non-technologically impaired migrant workers." CreationDate="2015-07-27T14:28:43.283" UserId="54228" />
  <row Id="13850" PostId="6598" Score="16" Text="Having someone be considerate enough to ask on Meta if a question is acceptable warrants a better explanation, even if it is only a reference to the [topic list](http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic), IMHO." CreationDate="2014-10-09T21:41:32.350" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="13847" PostId="6599" Score="6" Text="Completely agree except the assembly being easy part. Putting parts together is quite easy, almost all things only physically fit where they're supposed to go. Ensuring they'll actually work together and do what you want is horribly complicated (and a big reason most IT people don't try to DIY - that and the [bus factor](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor))." CreationDate="2014-10-09T15:04:53.857" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13862" PostId="6604" Score="0" Text="Some of your revision descriptions are hilarious. Mine are all full of &quot;typo&quot;, &quot;mixed up X and Y&quot;, &quot;typo&quot;, and &quot;grammar&quot;." CreationDate="2014-10-11T14:03:43.080" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13867" PostId="6606" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your clear advice Michael.  I followed your steps and filled out the form.  Then I replied to two emails: one for each account which I had created.  I received a statement saying that the unregistered one would be removed and my unregistered answer transferred.  But at this moment, over 13 hours later, no change has actually occurred: the previous question is still attributed to my unregistered user.  Does the change take a long time to go through?" CreationDate="2014-10-13T06:06:44.547" UserId="251018" />
  <row Id="13871" PostId="6606" Score="1" Text="It worked!  My threads all now show up in the same registered account just fine. --- My apologies for bugging you earlier: problem resolved." CreationDate="2014-10-13T09:45:49.150" UserId="251018" />
  <row Id="13891" PostId="6610" Score="3" Text="More amusingly, it's an upcoming event on October 15th - a couple days in the past." CreationDate="2014-10-17T06:29:06.327" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13892" PostId="6610" Score="5" Text="WE'VE BEEN POODLED!" CreationDate="2014-10-17T06:45:17.217" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="13893" PostId="6610" Score="3" Text="Most of the downvotes are unwarranted, in my opinion." CreationDate="2014-10-17T10:09:36.890" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13894" PostId="6610" Score="3" Text="@MichaelHampton Most of the downvotes probably came for the original question which is ... lacking and easily tested so yeah no research, no effort." CreationDate="2014-10-17T10:21:26.217" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13897" PostId="6610" Score="0" Text="Most of the downvotes came after. It was at +2/-2 when I did the edit. I suspect some of the downvotes are from the Question being posted in The Comms Room." CreationDate="2014-10-17T14:06:41.633" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13909" PostId="6613" Score="0" Text="I still disagree that labeling it a &quot;Hot Meta Topic&quot; is any less confusing. Also, how &quot;wildly incorrect&quot; is the date the bug was publish? I curious to know what date *you* think would have been *wildly correct*." CreationDate="2014-10-19T19:27:37.227" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13910" PostId="6613" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Now I've gotta ask &quot;really?&quot;  You think an upcoming event that shows up with a date of 2 days ago isn't confusing?  That's what I meant by &quot;wildly incorrect:&quot; an upcoming event in the past." CreationDate="2014-10-19T19:31:37.183" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13911" PostId="6613" Score="0" Text="I never claimed it wasn't confusing, thanks for the strawman. But your proposal seems no less confusing, yet you present it as though it's obviously superior. I think you guys would have whinged no matter what I had done - I'm so tired of the whining when anything changes..." CreationDate="2014-10-19T19:37:22.013" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13912" PostId="6613" Score="1" Text="I wouldn't have bothered suggesting something if I didn't think it was better.  I didn't realize that saying &quot;this thing is confusing, I think this other thing is better,&quot; was whining." CreationDate="2014-10-19T19:42:23.313" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13913" PostId="6613" Score="4" Text="You seem unusually grumpy @ChrisS :(" CreationDate="2014-10-20T14:49:05.107" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13914" PostId="6616" Score="0" Text="ms-exchange-365 doesn't exist?  I show 7 questions tagged to it.  I can change them to the ms-office-365 tag instead though and let ms-exchange-365 die off if that makes more sense." CreationDate="2014-10-22T13:20:28.753" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13915" PostId="6616" Score="1" Text="I'll call that a glitch in the Matrix... I swear it showed 0 questions last night." CreationDate="2014-10-22T13:51:45.063" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13918" PostId="6617" Score="4" Text="Bonus points if the implementation uses [clippy.js](https://www.smore.com/clippy-js)" CreationDate="2014-10-22T20:30:31.733" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="13919" PostId="6617" Score="3" Text="@MarkHenderson Actually, since SE uses a Windows stack, double secret probation bonus points if they somehow involve the [Clippy prankware](http://www.rjlpranks.com/pranks/clippy/) in their implementation... perhaps by forcing it onto users' machines." CreationDate="2014-10-22T21:17:23.123" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13920" PostId="6618" Score="0" Text="Would we be able to direct people asking questions about cron/crontab at our canonical Q&amp;A for them - try and head them off at the pass so to speak ?" CreationDate="2014-10-25T07:56:49.563" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13922" PostId="6618" Score="0" Text="I don't see why not." CreationDate="2014-10-26T15:55:30.507" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13945" PostId="6618" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the effort you put into finding out what to do. Unfortunately my enthusiasm for SF has recently taken a significant dive. Dealing with the 'higher ups' and presenting people with something else they won't read is a fools errand. I don't think I will be progressing this myself." CreationDate="2014-10-30T07:09:22.483" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13921" PostId="6619" Score="0" Text="Did you delete any of your questions?" CreationDate="2014-10-26T11:56:51.477" UserId="144990" />
  <row Id="13924" PostId="6619" Score="1" Text="[FYI, if you're trying to make that question-asking ban last longer, you're doing a good job](http://serverfault.com/q/639986/118258)." CreationDate="2014-10-27T15:24:22.270" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13923" PostId="6620" Score="0" Text="Sorry, I didn't remember this question... and I don't remember to delete it because it was deleted by the community no by me. I will read more about forum guidelines to improve my questions in the future." CreationDate="2014-10-26T17:26:53.017" UserId="229382" />
  <row Id="13925" PostId="6622" Score="0" Text="[He's already done this once.](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/6605/126632) I think something more is going on here." CreationDate="2014-10-27T15:34:28.263" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13926" PostId="6623" Score="0" Text="Those dang squirrels!" CreationDate="2014-10-27T16:17:44.977" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13927" PostId="6623" Score="0" Text="... with their long tails and stupid twitchy noses." CreationDate="2014-10-27T17:23:15.370" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13930" PostId="6623" Score="0" Text="[He used the merge accounts tool.](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/6605/126632) Maybe there's a bug lurking in it." CreationDate="2014-10-28T18:08:03.240" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13931" PostId="6623" Score="0" Text="I think that's a pretty good bet, @MichaelHampton. Keeping my eyes open for more instances of this." CreationDate="2014-10-28T18:23:57.637" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="13944" PostId="6624" Score="0" Text="It's a stupid, broken mess (like everything related to the crappy review system). I added an Adblock Element Hiding rule to get rid of it after a day or two as this annoyed the crap out of me." CreationDate="2014-10-30T03:24:42.253" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="13929" PostId="6625" Score="0" Text="Duh! Didn't think of searching http://meta.stackexchange.com/, which in retrospect would have been the obvious place. Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-10-28T09:38:10.577" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="13933" PostId="6627" Score="0" Text="It's not a very good question, either.  Even if you are using this computer for professional purposes, ~&quot;halp, how do I encrypt my computer.. and by the way, what's TPM?&quot; is a bad question that doesn't meet the site's quality standards... though you can be excused for not noticing that for all the other crap questions." CreationDate="2014-10-29T19:23:46.323" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13932" PostId="6628" Score="0" Text="That make's a lot of sense, I believe it is on-topic but instead of debating about it I'll ask to have it moved once I figure out where it might be better received" CreationDate="2014-10-29T19:23:22.483" UserId="251446" />
  <row Id="13935" PostId="6628" Score="0" Text="What's to debate? You can always edit your question." CreationDate="2014-10-29T19:24:29.687" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13936" PostId="6628" Score="0" Text="@ErlVolton It's not a question that's nearly good enough to be moved either, to be honest, and that's even ignoring the obvious &quot;call Samsung support and ask them&quot; answer." CreationDate="2014-10-29T19:25:09.570" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13938" PostId="6628" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b I dunno, I'd personally like to know more about these drives, if only so I can evaluate whether they're secure _enough_ and how on earth I'm supposed to manage them." CreationDate="2014-10-29T19:28:14.267" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13939" PostId="6628" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b You already did a really good job of letting me know you think my question is low quality.  I've seen the responses other people have gotten from Samsung and they are complete unsatisfactory so I have no intention of wasting my time there.  Surely there is a site with people who have experience using the encryption on these drives where &quot;Halp how do I encrypt my drive and whats TPM&quot; will be on topic." CreationDate="2014-10-29T19:29:50.907" UserId="251446" />
  <row Id="13942" PostId="6628" Score="0" Text="@ErlVolton &quot;What's TPM?&quot; is a question answerable by a bit of search engine prowling (it's a physical chip on the motherboard, by the way). Drive encryption is the same ...you just have to look." CreationDate="2014-10-29T19:31:11.503" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="13943" PostId="6628" Score="0" Text="@NathanC Yes so I understand that TPM is a chip relating to hardware-based encryption the question was &quot;Is TPM the thing I need?&quot; which I have now simplified to &quot;what is the feature I need?&quot; so as not to confuse people  by making the question about TPM somehow.  Thanks for your help!" CreationDate="2014-10-29T19:41:05.727" UserId="251446" />
  <row Id="13934" PostId="6629" Score="0" Text="I think SuperUser would be a really good fit, can you explain why they may punt it and where you would ask the question if it was yours?" CreationDate="2014-10-29T19:23:51.087" UserId="251446" />
  <row Id="13940" PostId="6629" Score="0" Text="@ErlVolton SU might well send it _here_, bringing you full circle. It would be best to improve the question as much as possible, before trying to take it elsewhere." CreationDate="2014-10-29T19:30:29.220" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13941" PostId="6630" Score="0" Text="Thank you this makes a lot of sense and it sounds like SuperUser would have been a better starting point." CreationDate="2014-10-29T19:30:45.993" UserId="251446" />
  <row Id="13946" PostId="6631" Score="0" Text="Downvoters, any justification or comments?" CreationDate="2014-10-30T16:56:31.233" UserId="96496" />
  <row Id="13951" PostId="6631" Score="4" Text="Wesley's answer pretty much says it: the problem is OS agnostic and the analysis methodology is identical. If you're looking for a guide on exact programs to install and how to perform the analysis, the minimum effort we'd expect is that you've tried to Google it. We're here to help you with specific problems. We don't do HOWTOs or job training." CreationDate="2014-10-30T17:40:18.553" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="13953" PostId="6631" Score="3" Text="ashes, you've already publicly exposed your misunderstanding of what duplicate questions are (though Ward very capably summarises the issue below).  Before you go exposing another misunderstanding, check out [the guide to voting on meta](http://serverfault.com/help/whats-meta).  Since votes don't affect anything on meta - your reputation is hourly re-synced to your SF rep - up/downvotes here are much more trivial &quot;*thumbs up*&quot; / &quot;*thumbs down*&quot; expressions.  Don't read anything more into them than that!" CreationDate="2014-11-01T07:12:22.430" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13947" PostId="6632" Score="0" Text="My meta post is not about pinging. It's about a Linux-specific question being closed as a duplicate of a Windows-specific question." CreationDate="2014-10-30T16:57:08.610" UserId="96496" />
  <row Id="13949" PostId="6632" Score="3" Text="@ashes999 the basic answer is the same, break out a network analyser, any half decent sysadmin should be good to go from that." CreationDate="2014-10-30T17:02:03.427" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13950" PostId="6632" Score="4" Text="@ashes999 It's not a Linux specific question being closed as a duplicate of a Windows specific question. There's nothing Linux or Windows specific about either." CreationDate="2014-10-30T17:08:50.940" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="13952" PostId="6632" Score="1" Text="@ward &lt;3 &lt;3 &lt;3 &lt;3" CreationDate="2014-10-30T17:49:57.940" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="13955" PostId="6633" Score="3" Text="A better question might be, are these questions on topic at all?" CreationDate="2014-11-03T18:25:45.977" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14024" PostId="6635" Score="0" Text="This is looking more and more like a thinly veiled disguise to get everyone to feel sorry for you and go upvote your stuff so you can pass Evan. really, how can people her know the motivations of random people on the internet ?" CreationDate="2014-11-19T07:06:41.297" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14026" PostId="6635" Score="0" Text="@Iain It's actually weird behavior compared to how things used to work on the Stack Exchange sites. Times are changin'" CreationDate="2014-11-19T12:43:01.213" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13956" PostId="6636" Score="2" Text="True.. I have another [larger bounty that I've been waiting on](http://serverfault.com/q/640248/13325)... And neither have been marked, so maybe I'm just wondering if people stopped caring. Or if there's some confusion about how it all works. (*or if I'm a sucker!*)" CreationDate="2014-11-04T13:19:42.233" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13957" PostId="6636" Score="2" Text="A little from column a and a little from column b: They're not sure why it works and don't care enough to find out as long as some sucker answers their questions anyway ;-)" CreationDate="2014-11-04T13:20:46.710" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="13958" PostId="6636" Score="3" Text="`You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it smart.`" CreationDate="2014-11-04T14:37:24.370" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="13959" PostId="6636" Score="5" Text="The OP is [more] active on SO. The 100 rep [Association Bonus](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/141648/what-is-the-association-bonus) is basically disposable income on other SE sites." CreationDate="2014-11-04T17:06:12.810" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="13996" PostId="6636" Score="1" Text="They likely see the &quot;bring more attention to this question&quot; option hoping it will somehow blink lights around the question with an enticing siren's song to lure in experts and get a quick/decent answer.  Like @jscott it's disposable points they don't care about on the other sites." CreationDate="2014-11-14T18:27:15.717" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13980" PostId="6638" Score="0" Text="And no one else upvoted that answer?" CreationDate="2014-11-13T22:29:24.843" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="14019" PostId="6638" Score="0" Text="As of now it has 6 upvotes. I think mine was the first upvote, back in 2009 when I wrote the &quot;oh man&quot; comment. But I'm not sure. And I dunno when the others rolled in. A lot of StackExchange code has been modified since then, I'm sure. They're continually tweaking things in hopes of encouraging better behaviors." CreationDate="2014-11-18T08:23:24.237" UserId="3437" />
  <row Id="14022" PostId="6638" Score="0" Text="@quux Naw, it [just happened to me again](http://serverfault.com/questions/642360/how-do-i-monitor-raid-status-when-using-an-external-esata-raid5-sata-port-multip/643415#643415). Not quite sure what's up with that." CreationDate="2014-11-19T05:20:10.433" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="13981" PostId="6640" Score="0" Text="A [data explorer query](http://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/246799/real-top-questions) can give you the list including locked questions, if you're interested. It won't include deleted ones, though. At least, I don't think so." CreationDate="2014-11-14T06:38:06.747" UserId="174582" />
  <row Id="13971" PostId="6642" Score="0" Text="Ah, so that's why. Any reason why you gave the same answer twice?" CreationDate="2014-11-12T10:08:38.987" UserId="205882" />
  <row Id="13972" PostId="6642" Score="2" Text="That could be a bug or it could be a browser plugin incompatibility. I posted the answer then left this page then came back via the browser back button then added some text." CreationDate="2014-11-12T10:12:28.067" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13973" PostId="6643" Score="0" Text="Are you talking about existing stuff going back ~4 years (that I assume is already indexed)?  Or the few residual posts that are showing up now?" CreationDate="2014-11-13T00:14:35.773" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="13976" PostId="6643" Score="0" Text="I could be ok with either situation. The goal would be making chat a place that people are more comfortable to use, without feeling like it could be a resource for people to dig up embarrassing out-of-context quotes. That said, we could get that without going back and removing all the old history." CreationDate="2014-11-13T14:31:20.937" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="13978" PostId="6643" Score="1" Text="Why? If you're making a request, you should give *reasons*." CreationDate="2014-11-13T15:25:58.927" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="13979" PostId="6643" Score="5" Text="I tagged it as &quot;discussion&quot;, not &quot;feature request&quot;" CreationDate="2014-11-13T21:29:33.377" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="13977" PostId="6644" Score="6" Text="Not worried about the internet forgetting, but if we made the Comms room resistant to casual browsing looking for out-of-context quotes that would make someone look foolish or something, it would be better than it is now." CreationDate="2014-11-13T14:32:31.130" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="13975" PostId="6646" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/243523/146257 Thanks to you, too. I've just realized what this privilege means." CreationDate="2014-11-13T13:54:51.447" UserId="168471" />
  <row Id="13993" PostId="6647" Score="0" Text="`I am getting warnings that my account will be locked out if I keep misbehaving.` What warning exactly? SE changed some settings for warnings and I wonder if you're getting snagged even though you're account looks Okay. Also, I'm pretty sure questions closed as duplicates don't count against you (voting on those Qs still would)." CreationDate="2014-11-14T16:07:12.443" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="13982" PostId="6648" Score="0" Text="Editing the &quot;canonical&quot; answer, or providing a better one, wouldn't go amiss either." CreationDate="2014-11-14T14:58:18.753" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="13985" PostId="6648" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton - just edited the canonical." CreationDate="2014-11-14T15:06:45.413" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13987" PostId="6648" Score="0" Text="Can we (re)close this as a dupe now then ?" CreationDate="2014-11-14T15:47:59.623" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13989" PostId="6648" Score="0" Text=":) - I guess we could, but the OP is concerned they'll be sent to time out." CreationDate="2014-11-14T15:49:39.103" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13991" PostId="6648" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your help. I'm no longer getting unsettling warnings while posting my new question." CreationDate="2014-11-14T15:51:19.870" UserId="143708" />
  <row Id="13999" PostId="6648" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner, saw your update on the canonical, and now I see why.  Very tastefully done - thanks!" CreationDate="2014-11-15T08:14:27.337" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="13986" PostId="6649" Score="2" Text="Nobody who needs to do so ever uses search." CreationDate="2014-11-14T15:45:15.300" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13988" PostId="6649" Score="0" Text="@Iain - I get your jaded point, trust me I do, but it doesn't hurt either." CreationDate="2014-11-14T15:48:50.193" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13990" PostId="6649" Score="0" Text="It's not jaded, it's reality." CreationDate="2014-11-14T15:50:41.687" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13992" PostId="6649" Score="0" Text="I agree it's reality...Jaded (a) = &quot;tired, bored, or lacking enthusiasm, **typically after having had too much of something**&quot;" CreationDate="2014-11-14T16:05:25.217" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13994" PostId="6649" Score="0" Text="I don't see how reality can be jaded ... to EL.se ... cba ... QED" CreationDate="2014-11-14T17:47:48.403" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13995" PostId="6649" Score="0" Text="I still think experts like myself will use the functionality, even if the devops and riff raff from SO won't." CreationDate="2014-11-14T18:22:30.303" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13997" PostId="6649" Score="0" Text="SE search is though less than useful even when you know what you're looking for http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/232242/help-us-find-duplicates-efficiently" CreationDate="2014-11-14T18:43:51.783" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="13998" PostId="6649" Score="0" Text="Concur @Iain especially on the dupe/canonical search issue-- I can stick with google...heck I can stick with google without the site: parameter and not care if it's in the SE stack or not.  Just thought it'd be a nice to have...but if the entire search functionality sucks then I'll digress.  I'd rather that be fixed first." CreationDate="2014-11-14T18:50:26.577" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13983" PostId="6650" Score="0" Text="Yes, I should have mentioned that.  But it's just a glorified Google search page which was where I was going with the &quot;I could use Google&quot; part.  It'd be nice to have the normal search functionality (user:me , [tag] etc.)." CreationDate="2014-11-14T15:03:10.980" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="13984" PostId="6650" Score="5" Text="At the moment, Google search appears to be superior to SE's internal search engine..." CreationDate="2014-11-14T15:04:28.783" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14004" PostId="6650" Score="2" Text="At the moment, printing questions on paper, sticking them to a wall printed side down and throwing darts at them while hoping really hard you hit something useful would probably give the SE internal search engine a run for its money." CreationDate="2014-11-16T09:53:48.430" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="14006" PostId="6653" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the extended answer @MadHatter." CreationDate="2014-11-17T08:19:35.170" UserId="229708" />
  <row Id="14007" PostId="6653" Score="1" Text="You're welcome, @kindzmarauli.  You've not made a bad start on SF, so I hope you decide to stay around and participate.  (Oh, and just for completeness' sake: you can accept answers in meta just as you do in SF.  It has no reputation impact (like everything on meta), but it helps mark the question as &quot;*dealt with*&quot;.)" CreationDate="2014-11-17T08:21:30.513" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14008" PostId="6653" Score="0" Text="Afraid the sheer volume of non-intuitive rules and limitations has taken a toll on my desire to seek or post answers here - so we shall see. The answer to the OQ was &quot;you can't&quot;, really. Thanks again." CreationDate="2014-11-17T08:38:05.123" UserId="229708" />
  <row Id="14009" PostId="6653" Score="1" Text="@kindzmarauli, I like to think that we're not totally deaf to self-improvement around here.  If you have any constructive suggestions on how we can improve things, we'd like to hear them.  I've upvoted your one extant question on SF, so you should now be able to post to meta.  But I will warn you that one avenue we're almost totally closed to is &quot;*how can we make it easier for people to ask newbie-level questions on SF*&quot;; the community has made it *extremely* clear that helping people who *need* a sysadmin (rather than people who *are* sysadmins) is not what SF is for." CreationDate="2014-11-17T10:21:38.567" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14010" PostId="6653" Score="0" Text="I appreciate that. (1) On an error like &quot;reputation N required to comment&quot;, include a link with an explanation that refers to the mantra you mentioned (no newby questions) and perhaps a justification. (2) Remembering that seasoned veterans and experts are always newbies at *something* (e.g. SCCM guru being a newby at Ubuntu or perl), rethink, adjust the &quot;no newby (level) questions&quot; mantra - otherwise it might descend into an ole' boys club with established elite that is condescending to outsiders, anything it considers uncool, or even anything it does not understand." CreationDate="2014-11-17T11:20:52.200" UserId="229708" />
  <row Id="14012" PostId="6653" Score="1" Text="@kindzmarauli, your first suggestion seems interesting to me.  The privileges page is only two clicks away from *any* SF page, via the help link, so I'm not sure another pointer is needed.  But I will ponder suggesting that we clarify that the link between privileges and rep isn't by way of a prize, but more by way of matching ability to experience.  Your second suggestion, though, I think will fly like a lead balloon.  We've hashed the &quot;no newbie questions&quot; issue to death, here, and the community simply isn't interested in answering them." CreationDate="2014-11-17T15:49:27.810" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14005" PostId="6654" Score="1" Text="This is really two separate questions. One you will find answers for [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/6159/126632). The other [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/2721/126632)." CreationDate="2014-11-16T21:54:25.170" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14011" PostId="6656" Score="0" Text="Obligatory link to Wesley ranting at himself about typos: http://serverfault.com/a/516107/152073" CreationDate="2014-11-17T15:01:20.787" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14013" PostId="6661" Score="0" Text="Yes. I deal with a lot of EU-flags over breakfast." CreationDate="2014-11-17T21:42:31.037" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="14014" PostId="6661" Score="0" Text="I think this is the case but was looking for confirmation from people in the know." CreationDate="2014-11-17T21:46:17.963" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14015" PostId="6662" Score="0" Text="This is exactly the information I was looking for - thanks." CreationDate="2014-11-17T21:53:45.653" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14016" PostId="6662" Score="1" Text="Heh, I might get up early but I do very little moderation past 1630+10 (or +11 as it is now)." CreationDate="2014-11-18T05:25:43.793" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14040" PostId="6662" Score="0" Text="1% has got to be quite low activity. Does this mean that a full 50% of the current moderation team are less active than we would hope ?" CreationDate="2014-11-20T12:43:15.243" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14041" PostId="6662" Score="0" Text="@Iain Your powers of observation serve you well." CreationDate="2014-11-20T14:51:13.740" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14017" PostId="6663" Score="2" Text="Amen brother! Thanks for posting this, too many things on my plate." CreationDate="2014-11-18T06:08:24.680" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14018" PostId="6663" Score="3" Text="The real problem is that fewer and fewer people care enough to be bothered. More close votes for a few won't increase the number cast when people who could no longer bother." CreationDate="2014-11-18T06:10:48.317" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14021" PostId="6663" Score="0" Text="Are there any stats that suggest this is required ? Do may people use all of their close votes every day ?" CreationDate="2014-11-18T22:40:26.567" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14030" PostId="6663" Score="0" Text="@iain There is so much crap on the front page, I can _easily_ use up all my close votes: I did about 10 reviews, then started going through the most recent questions and voted to close about 4 out of 5 of them." CreationDate="2014-11-20T04:59:47.807" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="14031" PostId="6663" Score="1" Text="I understand were you're coming from but really there are facts needed. I wrote a scraper which scrapes the closed questions. As far as I can see very few people (if any) regularly run out of close votes so giving people more isn't really going to help. My results will be skewed for a variety of reasons and could, because I haven't spent much time validating them, be wildly inaccurate. There is a small core of people who cast close votes none appear to run out with any regularity and most get nowhere near running out." CreationDate="2014-11-20T07:05:22.737" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14032" PostId="6663" Score="1" Text="To solve the quality issue the bar needs to be raised significantly. Doing this means that people won't have to spend so much of their time wading through crap to find something interesting to answer and won't end up feeling like they are being janitors or back on a helldesk, Yes, perception is reality but fact are better." CreationDate="2014-11-20T07:11:35.510" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14033" PostId="6663" Score="2" Text="One thing to note is that without Michael Hampton the front page would be significantly worse." CreationDate="2014-11-20T07:16:30.427" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14139" PostId="6664" Score="2" Text="Without coming across critical, your question `&quot;What is your strategy for improving the quality and professionalism of questions users first encounter when visiting Server Fault?&quot;` IMO isn't an issue for first time users.  I'd venture that 9/10 first time visitors aren't here to answer questions, but to ask a new question.  SO I think your question to the candidates might be better worded as `&quot;What is your strategy for improving the purpose and usefulness of the site users first encounter when visiting Server Fault?&quot;` - just my opinion." CreationDate="2014-11-21T21:45:10.787" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14190" PostId="6664" Score="0" Text="I think the questions they see before finding the ask question button are a very important example for those who are thinking about participating in the community, and they are certainly important for someone wondering if there question might find an answer here." CreationDate="2014-11-22T05:57:27.930" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="14191" PostId="6664" Score="2" Text="True, I was thinking more of the drive-by users...you seem better focused on the ones we want around." CreationDate="2014-11-22T06:15:12.490" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14034" PostId="6665" Score="0" Text="I'd ask more questions, if I had any!" CreationDate="2014-11-20T09:23:32.650" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14020" PostId="6667" Score="0" Text="I usually just use lang-cs when doing PS. It's close enough." CreationDate="2014-11-18T19:44:01.760" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14104" PostId="6668" Score="0" Text="Please nominate yourself again... if there are more than 10 nominees, there's a chance to bump Evan out of the actual election." CreationDate="2014-11-21T17:50:42.463" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="14138" PostId="6668" Score="0" Text="@Ward - I don't think I should force a primary just for the sake of doing so.  But I seriously doubt Evan is going to get more than a few votes tops." CreationDate="2014-11-21T21:06:17.453" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14048" PostId="6669" Score="0" Text="Is it better to have many mods who do less work, or just a few who do more (or from who more is expected) ? From what i can see, the burn out rate (in terms of poor attitudes from otherwise likely good people) on the few active ones seems pretty high to me. I do wonder how much harm does a large set of less active mods create ? It seems the current &quot;chosen few&quot; system isn't working, anyhow." CreationDate="2014-11-20T19:30:15.570" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="14066" PostId="6669" Score="0" Text="Just as an aside, the vast, vast majority of flags come in when North America is awake and working. As someone from the Pacific side of the globe, I literally only see maybe 5% of the flags being raised, because I'm fast asleep when the rest come through. This sort of thing leads to a very single-sided view of who is perceived as active." CreationDate="2014-11-21T02:25:59.253" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14087" PostId="6669" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson - I don't see you as inactive at all fwiw." CreationDate="2014-11-21T13:54:22.430" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14088" PostId="6669" Score="1" Text="@Sirex - The vast majority of moderation is to be done by the members by voting.  It SHOULD be rare that a moderator has to get involved.  I'm simply stating that having moderators that aren't actively involved on the site anymore (as judged by their profiles) seems contrary to the role." CreationDate="2014-11-21T13:56:30.320" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14027" PostId="6671" Score="3" Text="`&quot;Of course, as you know, you can always open the question in a new tab and vote on it anyway. But most of the time it really shouldn't be necessary to bother.&quot;` - I was reading this just now: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252561/more-effective-closing-downvoting-of-junk-questions-to-help-with-the-signal-no - for me, I have found very few VTC questions that I wouldn't also downvote.  I thought it also auto-deletes them over time if they are downvoted and closed?  Do closed questions with 0 votes also get auto-deleted?" CreationDate="2014-11-19T13:58:18.903" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14042" PostId="6677" Score="3" Text="Wow, like @Iain said, you're only noticing it now?  If you want to be a moderator, you should be paying more attention." CreationDate="2014-11-20T15:07:22.463" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="14045" PostId="6677" Score="0" Text="I am paying attention but was trying to at least be just a little less blunt.  Its become far worse since that change the google that was made awhile ago." CreationDate="2014-11-20T17:12:43.673" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="14035" PostId="6678" Score="4" Text="Once you have demonstrated that you are a careful reviewer, review audits are a waste of your time. Personally I've stopped reviewing until SE fix that if more people took this approach then SE might be bothered to fix them." CreationDate="2014-11-20T09:47:00.100" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14043" PostId="6678" Score="0" Text="TBF, exactly 1 person has ever been Review Banned on SF because of Audits and that person REALLY deserved it. It takes A LOT of failed audits to have any effect." CreationDate="2014-11-20T16:31:53.080" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14046" PostId="6679" Score="0" Text="I was just trying to be a little less blunt and softer.  But it appears that I am not the only one who has noticed.  I try to do what I can from a review point and question downgrading.  And I strongly agree with your opinion." CreationDate="2014-11-20T17:15:48.907" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="14067" PostId="6680" Score="1" Text="Winter of cuddle? Must be something you only get up there in Norway..." CreationDate="2014-11-21T03:12:57.377" UserId="104624" />
  <row Id="19762" PostId="6681" Score="0" Text="Here is a [review](http://serverfault.com/review/suggested-edits/229680) with the &quot;Our system has identified this edit as possible spam; please review carefully&quot; message, and it was not an audit." CreationDate="2015-10-13T18:53:40.023" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="14049" PostId="6683" Score="6" Text="Isn't the massive edit pointless since a) it completely changes the question and b) the question has been deleted by the author so that only a small # of people can possibly provide any suggestions." CreationDate="2014-11-20T20:00:41.207" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="14050" PostId="6683" Score="1" Text="Please provide specific examples when talking about perceived behavior. Your question as worded frames yourself as a person with years of experience as an IT professional, yet in your discussion with Iain you switched tracks to *&quot;sadly I am not referring to this particular question. I just took a look at serverfault question list [...]*. If that is the topic you want to discuss, your question should reflect it and provide examples of the behavior." CreationDate="2014-11-20T22:20:43.733" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14062" PostId="6683" Score="2" Text="Trying to start an edit war when you're running for a moderator position is an astonishingly ill-advised thing to do, @Iain. If rumburak disagrees with my edit, he can roll it back himself." CreationDate="2014-11-21T01:02:33.487" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="14063" PostId="6683" Score="8" Text="@Shog9: Care to elaborate why you consider this &quot;ill-advised&quot;? You massively changed the meaning and tone of the question, which is a reason for a rollback. Should I (as another candidate) consider this a threat? What would be the result if you act upon that threat? Also, why do you think it's acceptable to do this kind of edit to a meta post?" CreationDate="2014-11-21T01:43:41.037" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14064" PostId="6683" Score="0" Text="When I found it, @Sven, this question was quite poorly written. The grammar, spelling, etc. were not great, but most notably it didn't even reference the question that prompted it - which, having been deleted, would be hard to find for even trusted members of the site. Although it had attracted three answers, no one had tried to address even the more superficial problems; instead, folks were just making fun of them in the comments. So I edited it for presentation and to match the top-voted answer. Perhaps this was not what the author intended - but of course, he's free to correct if need-be." CreationDate="2014-11-21T02:05:22.593" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="14065" PostId="6683" Score="0" Text="In regards to your other questions, see: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/04/in-defense-of-editing/ and http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/05/a-theory-of-moderation/" CreationDate="2014-11-21T02:08:17.943" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="14071" PostId="6683" Score="3" Text="@Shog9 Actually, your edit was quite confusing. Having not recognized that your edit put forth an example that the user was not originally offering, I've incorrectly critiqued the user for [backtracking on their question's wording](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6683/why-was-my-last-question-poorly-received#comment14036_6684). It's ironic for this to be occurring in a meta discussion where some of us are trying to steer the user towards behaviors that yield useful feedback from us. The fact that the user has contradicted you without rolling back the edit suggests that you are wrong." CreationDate="2014-11-21T03:51:37.943" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14072" PostId="6683" Score="0" Text="If you believe you have a better idea of what the intent was here, @Andrew, then go ahead and edit to clarify. Otherwise, wait for the author. I believe it is better now than it was, a readable question that can be answered for the benefit of the asker, which should be at least the initial goal." CreationDate="2014-11-21T03:53:09.853" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="14073" PostId="6683" Score="2" Text="I must politely decline. That is not how this community moderates itself." CreationDate="2014-11-21T04:10:44.187" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14075" PostId="6683" Score="3" Text="The massive edit is *clearly invalid* because OP said they were *not* asking specifically about their own question that was closed: `Sadly I am not referring to this particular question. I just took a look at serverfault question list and on first 2 pages I can only see questions with 0 or downvoted. –  rumburak 18 hours ago`  So why totally change the question into something they didn't intend?" CreationDate="2014-11-21T06:01:42.740" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="14089" PostId="6683" Score="2" Text="There we go.  I've edited the post to improve the grammar, as Shog9 said he wanted, but without completely destroying the meaning of the post, as the community and the Stack Exchange guidelines on editing seem to want.  Problem solved." CreationDate="2014-11-21T13:58:00.857" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14090" PostId="6683" Score="0" Text="Much better, @HopelessN00b." CreationDate="2014-11-21T14:12:47.620" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="14036" PostId="6684" Score="0" Text="Sadly I am not referring to this particular question. I just took a look at serverfault question list and on first 2 pages I can only see questions with 0 or downvoted." CreationDate="2014-11-20T11:36:33.793" UserId="142325" />
  <row Id="14037" PostId="6684" Score="13" Text="Then you also see lots of poor quality questions. Quality is a real issue on Server Fault and people are dealing with it using the tools provided." CreationDate="2014-11-20T11:39:34.657" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14038" PostId="6684" Score="0" Text="I cant imagine how downvoting can increase quality if there is no comment attached." CreationDate="2014-11-20T11:41:10.437" UserId="142325" />
  <row Id="14039" PostId="6684" Score="7" Text="This is an old discussion that has no real resolution other than to remind people that SE will not require people to comment when they downvote and the tooltips on the voting buttons are as good as it gets." CreationDate="2014-11-20T11:43:21.840" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14060" PostId="6686" Score="2" Text="Which 10 lines? We're sysadmins, not JavaScript developers!" CreationDate="2014-11-20T23:59:46.163" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14061" PostId="6686" Score="0" Text="[here](http://pastebin.com/MYbrH101) :) Just replace the user_ids. Its made to work on the election page, so it will probally not work on other pages." CreationDate="2014-11-21T00:18:35.247" UserId="254948" />
  <row Id="14069" PostId="6686" Score="1" Text="So how do I apply your JavaScript code into a browser? Step by step maybe?" CreationDate="2014-11-21T03:37:41.187" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="14083" PostId="6686" Score="0" Text="In chrome, right click somewhere in the page, inspect element. Open up the tab Console, paste it in there and press enter. You can also press control+shift+j to open the console or click the 3 stripe button, more tools, javascript console :)" CreationDate="2014-11-21T09:37:31.050" UserId="254948" />
  <row Id="14091" PostId="6686" Score="3" Text="You should add your comments to your answer and format it as such.  It's worthy of an upvote." CreationDate="2014-11-21T14:14:29.673" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14120" PostId="6686" Score="0" Text="Adjusted. I didn't include the code here though as I can't find an option to hide the code by default, and pasting 100+ lines would make the post look pretty messy." CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:19:09.250" UserId="254948" />
  <row Id="14141" PostId="6686" Score="0" Text="Thank you kind user254948 ;)" CreationDate="2014-11-21T21:50:39.873" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="19181" PostId="6686" Score="1" Text="Hi, it seems the pastebin link was broken.  can you update this answer with new code?" CreationDate="2015-08-29T05:15:08.980" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="14051" PostId="6687" Score="5" Text="Also, if you decide to request feedback, don't be surprised when you get it, or become offended when receiving it. If, for example, you write a horrible question and ask why it's getting downvoted, I may notice and take that as an invitation to leave a comment about everything that's wrong with it... which has resulted in many a flag for me not being nice, which goes back to the point about why so few people bother leaving feedback.  It's much more likely to cause drama than anything else." CreationDate="2014-11-20T22:51:22.167" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14052" PostId="6687" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b I think this goes back to &quot;the effort you put in&quot;. If a person wants to avoid downvotes *and it shows*, they're going to get a more patient explanation. If low effort is put into the question and understanding why it was poorly received, expect merciless bullet points." CreationDate="2014-11-20T23:00:32.000" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14053" PostId="6687" Score="0" Text="Also, it's sad that I've been here for awhile and still make the HomelessN00b typo." CreationDate="2014-11-20T23:05:48.137" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14074" PostId="6687" Score="6" Text="What Andrew and HopelessN00b said.  I've found that comments to improve questions are not always well received.  People who reply with defensive, hostile, or angry comments in reply to constructive criticism discourage future constructive criticism." CreationDate="2014-11-21T05:36:58.610" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14192" PostId="6687" Score="3" Text="There does seem to be a glut of visitors nowadays who would rather spend half a day arguing about why their incomprehensible question is fine as is, or that the site rules don't apply to them, than half an hour writin a good question in the first place or improving it after getting feedback." CreationDate="2014-11-22T07:53:03.840" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="14199" PostId="6687" Score="5" Text="@RobM This is because we've become [Yahoo Answers](https://answers.yahoo.com)." CreationDate="2014-11-22T21:46:21.387" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="14201" PostId="6687" Score="1" Text="No argument there @ewwhite" CreationDate="2014-11-22T22:28:34.323" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="22665" PostId="6687" Score="0" Text="This is a great answer. Not only does it inform. It induces empathy and understanding. I wish SO would add a &quot;why the @#? did I get downvoted&quot; button and have your text included in the answer." CreationDate="2019-03-17T21:08:39.137" UserId="240039" />
  <row Id="14059" PostId="6688" Score="3" Text="For what it's worth I'm going to refrain from voting on answers to this question. I'm interested in what the community genuinely thinks and don't want my personal opinions to impact what others see float to the top." CreationDate="2014-11-20T23:56:19.300" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14055" PostId="6689" Score="0" Text="So you're saying that &quot;being a community leader = abundance of mod actions&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-11-20T23:34:57.047" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14056" PostId="6689" Score="0" Text="What makes you think that ?" CreationDate="2014-11-20T23:36:15.473" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14057" PostId="6689" Score="2" Text="Because this is your answer to the question &quot;should mods be hammering in abundance?&quot;, so that's how I'm interpreting it - if this is aimed particularly at lack of visibility of current moderators, and not an answer to the question of how aggressive our mods should be in general, then this probably isn't the place to discuss it." CreationDate="2014-11-20T23:40:19.747" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14058" PostId="6689" Score="7" Text="It is true that I was once way more active than I am now. Before I was a mod I had edited hundreds of questions. However my interpretation of being a &quot;leader&quot; is different to others perhaps. When I say being a &quot;leader&quot; I don't believe moderators are meant to lead people into battle. We are here to clean up the mess that remains. So in this part, I guess I have worded my intentions poorly." CreationDate="2014-11-20T23:47:10.420" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14076" PostId="6689" Score="0" Text="By disappearing into the dark, you become just like any other elected official - only interested in being seen when votes matter." CreationDate="2014-11-21T07:33:25.093" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14085" PostId="6689" Score="4" Text="Uhhh, ok. I'm not chasing votes? I am not interested in being seen *at all*. I prefer to work behind the scenes, quietly. It's what I've been doing for years now. **You** seem to want me to be all loud and shouty. Also, as you of all people should know, moderators are not officials. We have no say or sway in official SE politics. We are janitors with a special star on their name. Nothing to be particularly proud of there." CreationDate="2014-11-21T10:21:38.170" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14094" PostId="6689" Score="1" Text="I am interpreting this passage as a requirement for moderator action and content to be exemplary to others: no arbitrary decisions, no swearing, this kind of stuff. It does not sound like a call to arms to me." CreationDate="2014-11-21T15:36:33.030" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="14335" PostId="6690" Score="0" Text="I think that's fair enough. As a mod you've got bigger bullets, but think sniper, not minigun." CreationDate="2014-11-25T22:03:28.677" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="14102" PostId="6691" Score="0" Text="I'm in the exact same boat." CreationDate="2014-11-21T17:06:13.367" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14279" PostId="6691" Score="1" Text="I don't think our Close Votes queue is out of control.  It takes daily tending, but usually stays under 100.  Compare the close queue on StackOverflow, which used to be up around 118K, although I see that now they've gotten it down to 11K." CreationDate="2014-11-24T13:27:35.157" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="14343" PostId="6691" Score="0" Text="Considering SO is 25x to 75x bigger than SF (by traffic or questions) having a Close Queue that's at least 100x bigger than ours sounds like we're doing a great job of keeping the Queue down." CreationDate="2014-11-26T15:01:15.363" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14382" PostId="6691" Score="0" Text="The close queue hasn't been quite as large for the last week or so, since it's gotten this attention on meta. It remains to be seen whether it will stay that way." CreationDate="2014-12-02T00:29:41.437" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14068" PostId="6692" Score="1" Text="Now I need to find an SEDE query that shows who's cast the most close votes, including those on questions that were eventually deleted..." CreationDate="2014-11-21T03:18:35.980" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="14077" PostId="6692" Score="0" Text="That would be genuinely interesting, Ward, if it's not too painful; one way of quantifying both close vote activity and close vote accuracy." CreationDate="2014-11-21T07:45:33.993" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14086" PostId="6692" Score="0" Text="To add to your &quot;steady stream of questions&quot; they've been steady since inception it would seem http://i.imgur.com/suVMdei.png -- but I think the BOFH reputation is forced upon us based on the site requirement that it is &quot;by sysadmins for sysadmins&quot;.  If we were all inclusive I could see how that reputation would be perceived, but we aren't. SO users that come here asking about their dev environment or because they're the accidental sysadmin isn't taken well.  If the site wants to change this...fine by me...but then we might as well roll SU and SF together as well." CreationDate="2014-11-21T13:51:36.843" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14181" PostId="6692" Score="0" Text="Aren't those last two data points pretty alarming, though?  Looks like half the site's active users went away in that last week in July." CreationDate="2014-11-22T01:58:31.427" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14182" PostId="6692" Score="2" Text="@HopelessN00b: Each dot on the graph represents a month of activity. (Click on the image for a larger version.) The last data point can be ignored since we don't yet have data for the complete month of November. The more alarming aspect of the timeline is that it shows a slow, but steady drop in participation from mid-2011. I suspect that it's not been so noticeable as a regular on the site like [boiling a frog](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog) (metaphorically). I also think it's a self-perpetuating cycle: the more people who leave, the more crap the remaining users handle." CreationDate="2014-11-22T02:11:49.357" UserId="1126" />
  <row Id="14078" PostId="6693" Score="6" Text="I have always had a great deal of respect for @shog9 but that comment and the lack of action that has allowed the situation to persist has somewhat shaken me." CreationDate="2014-11-21T08:22:11.140" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14092" PostId="6693" Score="0" Text="+1 for mentioning me. :)" CreationDate="2014-11-21T14:42:34.323" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14080" PostId="6694" Score="6" Text="No one's saying you can't. If you don't see why some might find a contradiction in that presentation, eh. I'll give it to you that yours was the lesser of the two by far. If you don't see a problem with shog's remark though, I just don't know man. I know *why* we have that reputation, I know we have a vocal minority who *do* fit the label, but how is it helpful to advocate for less radical approaches while sh*t talking the entire community? Is this supposed to inspire the rest of us to rise up somehow? News flash guys: we're the ones with the shakier morale." CreationDate="2014-11-21T08:44:08.173" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14081" PostId="6694" Score="6" Text="Shog felt the need to call out Hopeless on what he felt was a problem in his nomination spiel. Again, I don't see what the problem with asking people the hard questions is. Additionally, I happen to agree with Shog's sentiments. The existing community here can be poisonous at times. And some people are just too blind to see that, and need to have it shoved in their faces. I can't comment on specific cases, but there are moderator nominees (plural) that have had *serious* moderator actions against them in the past. These people had better make a damn good case why we should vote for them." CreationDate="2014-11-21T09:02:08.667" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14082" PostId="6694" Score="8" Text="Nothing wrong with asking Hopeless why he thinks making our image worse is a useful solution. Everything wrong with two mods publicly agreeing that SF is bad and should feel bad; give up on the troops and they give up on you." CreationDate="2014-11-21T09:32:53.177" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14084" PostId="6694" Score="6" Text="I think you're reading too much into what Shog and I are saying. I mean nothing more than what I said: sometimes this place can be poisonous. Sometimes. Not all the time. Not always. Not to everyone. And nobody has given up. If I had given up, I wouldn't be here, and I wouldn't be voicing my concerns. There are those that *have* given up and left. And there are people in this community that need to have more empathy for their fellows. That's all I'm saying and I think that's all Shog was saying. There's nothing wrong with introspection." CreationDate="2014-11-21T09:41:12.553" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14124" PostId="6694" Score="5" Text="I think @Shog9 and the other stack exchange staff need to take a look at themselves and the empathy they have towards the community here already - as a group I mean, I don't doubt the individual sincerity of shog, for example. Why do I say that? Well if **one** person has a problem with a site then maybe that one person is the problem. If **lots** of people have a problem with a site (and there _are_ problems from either 'end', lets be honest here) then maybe the site has a problem..." CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:05:08.037" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="14125" PostId="6694" Score="10" Text="... At the moment, I think the problem is that SE have sold this plot as a timeshare to two different groups without telling either group about the other. It was sold to us &quot;olde tyme sysadmins&quot; as a home for professional sysadmin types to ask and answer professional sysadmin questions. It appears lately that its also been sold to everyone else as a home for whatever vaguely &quot;oh that sounds system-y to me&quot; questions, thoughts or vague intestinal discomfort that drives them to type on a keyboard that they may have. Regardless of which 'side' is right or wrong, that ain't going to end well." CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:07:05.940" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="14093" PostId="6696" Score="4" Text="If a moderator clicks &quot;Leave Open&quot; in the close review queue, the question is removed from the queue entirely. Only &quot;Skip&quot; leaves it in the queue." CreationDate="2014-11-21T14:43:47.063" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14278" PostId="6696" Score="1" Text="That's an elegant half-way house: using the hammer to accelerate the demise of low-quality things that others (but less than five others) have already VTCed." CreationDate="2014-11-24T13:26:21.007" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14095" PostId="6698" Score="5" Text="I was totally on board, up until the word &quot;kindness,&quot; where you completely lost me." CreationDate="2014-11-21T15:49:36.763" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14096" PostId="6698" Score="1" Text="is kindness a type of poison, pretty sure it's not a gun or knife" CreationDate="2014-11-21T15:50:28.480" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="14097" PostId="6698" Score="0" Text="I prefered my attempt at a catchy label: &quot;Harsh Winter&quot;" CreationDate="2014-11-21T15:51:39.827" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="14098" PostId="6698" Score="5" Text=":) well my goal here is to see if being nice will matter...since it seems that the word &quot;unfriendly&quot; is prevailing lately from outsiders." CreationDate="2014-11-21T15:58:22.580" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14100" PostId="6698" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn - I would've upvoted that question personally.  The OP worded it well enough and appears to just be stumped on the way the OS works." CreationDate="2014-11-21T16:07:40.220" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14101" PostId="6698" Score="0" Text="Maybe I had a moment of weakness and regarded it as something too basic and too obvious failing the minimal understanding. I agree it was well worded and unlike many also formatted correctly." CreationDate="2014-11-21T16:10:43.910" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="14129" PostId="6698" Score="4" Text="I'm completely on board." CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:19:26.977" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14193" PostId="6698" Score="1" Text="@TheCleaner Just so you know, when I saw this in the morning when I was about to post [this](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6701), well, you beat me to it :)" CreationDate="2014-11-22T08:26:10.107" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14214" PostId="6699" Score="0" Text="-1 Sorry, but the nomination speeches have been fairly polarizing already and this seems to be asking the candidates to put themselves into buckets of &quot;with us&quot; or &quot;against us&quot;." CreationDate="2014-11-23T05:21:33.810" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14218" PostId="6699" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS  Fair enough.  That wasn't really the intent;  I was trying to phrase the question in a neutral way despite having a strong opinion.  And I totally agree that the nomination speeches have generated too much heat (in both speeches and comments) already." CreationDate="2014-11-23T11:31:22.003" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14236" PostId="6699" Score="1" Text="I'm quite keen to see who ends up in which bucket.  I agree things have been quite polarizing already, but this will happen whenever a group contemplates a pressing issue that supports only two answers.  To my mind, this election is about whether the SF community or the wider SE community gets to decide how SF is run, and I view Katherine's as an excellent proxy question for that (and Katherine, I apologise in advance for any imputation that you intended it to be such)." CreationDate="2014-11-23T21:44:34.733" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14239" PostId="6699" Score="4" Text="Yikes, no, not my intent. I consider myself, for lack of a better term, &quot;Team Nice,&quot; and think my [meta history backs that up](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6108/is-this-site-becoming-what-its-aspiring-to-be/6114#6114). That said, I resented an outsider taking what I saw as cheap shots at a mod candidate. HopelessN00b may be a snarky #*(@&amp;, but he's *our* snarky #*(@&amp;. Lastly, I personally think that the emphasis on &quot;scaring off&quot; the clueless is misplaced and frightens the competent more than the clueless. Hence, the &quot;Do you think the two questions are related?&quot;" CreationDate="2014-11-23T23:13:20.847" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14240" PostId="6699" Score="3" Text="@MadHatter `To my mind, this election is about whether the SF community or the wider SE community gets to decide how SF is run` I think this is a bad way to look at the situation.  The people who want the community to build stronger locks and higher fences might be the people who are yelling the loudest within the community, but they aren't the whole community.  An &quot;us vs them&quot; mentality, where &quot;them&quot; is outsiders but people inside the community are on the &quot;them&quot; side, is pretty self-defeating." CreationDate="2014-11-23T23:20:18.860" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14241" PostId="6699" Score="2" Text="@KatherineVillyard `the emphasis on &quot;scaring off&quot; the clueless is misplaced and frightens the competent more than the clueless` Yes, a thousand times this.  Well said!" CreationDate="2014-11-23T23:20:52.883" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14242" PostId="6699" Score="2" Text="Agree wholly with &quot;frightens the competent more than the clueless&quot;, @Katherine - this has been my experience on other forums for many years. As a result, I've come to view that behavior as a sickness, a social autoimmune disease if you will. [Eventually, rudeness becomes institutionalized, to the point where members start to drive away everyone – including each other.](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/08/stack-exchange-is-not-a-forum-the-role-of-niceness-on-a-qa-site/)" CreationDate="2014-11-23T23:31:00.037" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="14268" PostId="6699" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden &quot;*The people who want the community to build stronger locks and higher fences might be the people who are yelling the loudest within the community, but they aren't the whole community*&quot; I had not said that they were.  You know I think better fences (which make good neighbours!) are needed, because I've said so, but you don't know if I think the SF community as a weighted whole believes that.  What I see is a lot of interference from SE-powers-that-be who are concerned that the community might make up its mind in a way that doesn't please **them**, before it has made it up at all." CreationDate="2014-11-24T08:10:30.050" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14273" PostId="6699" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter I think we can all agree that things are on the wrong track as they stand, right?  It's part of the community team's job to help communities that are on the wrong track.  I get that you're upset at what you see as outside interference, but that's clearly a tough balance to strike, as Iain has [commented elsewhere](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6706/rewriting-minimal-understanding#comment14194_6707) that in his opinion, there should have been action from the community team sooner." CreationDate="2014-11-24T08:44:07.110" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14277" PostId="6699" Score="0" Text="While I see your point, @ChrisS, about this being a delicate question, I think its a very valid one too. I think it is obvious this site has a problem at the moment whatever you think that problem is, and I think its quite reasonable to address it." CreationDate="2014-11-24T13:07:27.697" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="14280" PostId="6699" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 Your link makes me want to shout out who are *really* the nicest people on the site.  (Which are, obviously, the people who have been nicest to me personally.)  ;)  I'm not sure the Mod Election Q&amp;A is the best place, though." CreationDate="2014-11-24T13:41:16.773" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14136" PostId="6700" Score="2" Text="On (or around) 6th Aug 12 you, Aarthi, Robert and I think Anna posted a video/recording of a meeting you had. I remember part of it well and even linked to it and [commented on it](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/127?m=5670415#5670415) in the Comms room. Sadly the youtube video is no more but what I particularly remember about it was that SF came in for a bit of a beating over snark etc. That section finished with you saying something like 'Serverfault yeah I'm going to have to deal with that'." CreationDate="2014-11-21T21:00:29.407" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14137" PostId="6700" Score="2" Text="Well, over 6-8 weeks later nothing appears to have been done. If it was bad 2 years ago it certainly hasn't got any better. Why hasn't his been addressed?" CreationDate="2014-11-21T21:01:04.907" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14145" PostId="6700" Score="5" Text="Short answer there is simply that I dropped the ball, @Iain. The long answer is... There's not a lot I can do. I've *talked* about this a few times, publicly and with the mods in private, but at the end of the day, it's up to you folks how you want to be perceived - and whether or not you're willing to make that happen." CreationDate="2014-11-21T22:19:24.463" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="14146" PostId="6700" Score="5" Text="Fair enough but I haven't seen anything on mSF from you or the SF mod team so perhaps you've been a bit to `pink-and-fluffy` about it. You're dealing with sysadmins here you need to be much more direct - seriously." CreationDate="2014-11-21T22:23:42.323" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14148" PostId="6700" Score="2" Text="The questions which I see as &quot;not professional&quot; fall into two categories: Most are _home_ user or _development_ environment questions which, for some reason, weren't considered good enough to migrate to SU. Others are end users who are asking us when they need to contact their company's helpdesk, as there's nothing we can do; even if we did answer their questions they wouldn't be able to implement them, so we would never know if they were right or wrong. The &quot;minimal understanding&quot; reason really needs to be rewritten entirely." CreationDate="2014-11-21T22:42:48.907" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14149" PostId="6700" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 Re: the answering questions in comments, yes, a lot of that is trying to be nice and help, or show pity to a poor soul hopelessly over their head.  A lot of the rest of that comes from people who haven't included enough information so that the commenter is certain of the solution, but it's probably/maybe $suggestion. Regarding the rest, well, yeah, we *are* sysadmins.  Maybe you and a big lot of people who contact you don't get what that means, or understand it, but since the audience for this site is supposedly professional systems and network administrators, does that matter?" CreationDate="2014-11-21T22:45:27.907" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14158" PostId="6700" Score="0" Text="I will definitely endeavor to be more direct here in the future, @Iain." CreationDate="2014-11-21T23:45:26.700" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="14159" PostId="6700" Score="3" Text="It matters when there's confusion over what attitude &quot;sysadmin&quot; implies, @HopelessN00b. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman" CreationDate="2014-11-21T23:47:16.320" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="14161" PostId="6700" Score="0" Text="@Iain As I mentioned over [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/6701), this is something the community team asked me to look at several months ago; that's been in the works for a while." CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:00:25.767" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14162" PostId="6700" Score="6" Text="@Shog9 Perhaps I didn't word that well. A large number of the complaints we see are from people who aren't sysadmins at all/in any way shape or form. Does what these people think about the site matter at all, given that the site is supposed to be for sysadmins? To use an analogy: `I'm an automobile mechanic and I asked a question about why my computer's Windows code is so slow on Stack Overflow, and those mean jerks downvoted and closed it! Of course it's about programming, because my computer runs programs!` OK, but since he isn't in SO's target audience, why care what he thinks of SO?" CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:02:20.370" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14166" PostId="6700" Score="8" Text="@HopelessN00b That attitude is exactly why a change is needed, because the &quot;automobile mechanic&quot; in your example is really &quot;anyone who doesn't fit an increasingly narrow definition of &quot;professional&quot;.  If you're going to declare that anyone who doesn't ask a perfect question on the first shot should be written off as not part of the target audience, the target audience quickly approaches 0.  Which, I understand, is how some people would prefer it, but that's not a healthy direction for the community as a whole." CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:31:41.243" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14170" PostId="6700" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden I picked auto mechanic off the top of my head just as something that clearly has no connection with programming in any capacity, just like many of the questions we see (and the ones I complain about and find embarrassing for the site) are likewise, completely unrelated to systems administration.  (For example, that you reopened today from the developer asking why his SSH connection times out, while providing no details whatsoever that might help answer why.  This is, at best, a question for the help desk, which were I to get it, would be closed as unworkable, more detail needed.)" CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:38:23.647" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14172" PostId="6700" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b Metaphors aside, the point I'm making is that any approach that banishes &quot;too easy&quot; questions like the one you're referencing is unsustainable.  I think the direction you want this site to go in deals with the symptoms and not the real problems, and leads to an increasingly small and insular community." CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:49:32.173" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14176" PostId="6700" Score="4" Text="@ShaneMadden You may be right about the way my approach ends up, but it seems to me that your approach, being more of the same-old-same-old, results in SF being the helpdesk for SO/SE (more so than it is already).  And that's not a good direction for the community either.  And, just for the record, I'm not opposed to &quot;too easy&quot; questions, as you seem to think, but I do oppose being or becoming a low-quality helpdesk. (&quot;My SSH connection breaks, why?&quot;)  In fact, go check out my last half dozen or so answers.  All of them are to very simple, possibly even &quot;too easy&quot; questions." CreationDate="2014-11-22T01:02:21.740" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14179" PostId="6700" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b The change I'm proposing is a relatively major change in the scope of the site, or at least how the community should be treating the scope of the site - it may not work out how I want it to work out, but I don't think it makes any sense to call it &quot;same-old same-old&quot; since it's definitely something that hasn't been tried here before." CreationDate="2014-11-22T01:29:19.917" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14188" PostId="6700" Score="7" Text="@Shog9 Answering questions in comments:  I've done this, but usually when it's a link-only answer that I don't think deserves an upvote.  The one I did today was someone who wanted to upgrade software on Ubuntu to a version unsupported by his distro.  Someone told him to upgrade his version of Ubuntu.  He asked how.  I linked to AskUbuntu on how to upgrade.  That's not a &quot;real&quot; answer--it's a comment with a link--but he clearly needed the help." CreationDate="2014-11-22T04:46:44.610" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14243" PostId="6700" Score="2" Text="I've done the same, @KatherineVillyard - but one must be very cautious in doing so. One of the big advantages of this software over traditional forums is the ease with which answers can be *re-used* by others with the same or similar problems, thus reducing the strain involved in repeatedly answering common questions... But this falls apart if questions are not answered." CreationDate="2014-11-23T23:53:33.273" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="14244" PostId="6700" Score="1" Text="@shog9 sometimes i do this when it's not an answer but meanly guidence, advice, tips, or occasionally when i'm only mostly sure that its right and no-one else has responded. the 'answer' moniker can be scary sometimes." CreationDate="2014-11-24T00:04:52.093" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="14248" PostId="6700" Score="1" Text="I know it can, @Sirex. But please, [don't be afraid](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6698/im-challenging-us-to-make-the-christmas-2014-season-be-known-as-killing-them-w/6713#6713)." CreationDate="2014-11-24T01:29:32.890" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="14249" PostId="6700" Score="1" Text="Yeah i guess. It's just that a 'comment' seems to fit the 'heres some information' type help rather than a 'this will solve your issue' like an 'answer' might. Sometimes i have too little time to fully research, document, and articulate even the answers i know to be true. So i just want to point people in the right direction, even when it might otherwise constitute an answer." CreationDate="2014-11-24T01:42:02.487" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="14253" PostId="6700" Score="4" Text="@Sirex, I clicked through to your profile and you shouldn't be afraid of the answer button.  :)" CreationDate="2014-11-24T03:01:44.930" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14256" PostId="6700" Score="5" Text="One of the advantages of answering in comments, rather than in the answer, is that it doesn't prevent the clean-up scripts from auto-deleting a bad, closed question with a negative score.  You can answer a bad question and help a poor soul out, but without having a bad question stick around forever because it has an upvoted answer to it." CreationDate="2014-11-24T04:55:46.913" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14322" PostId="6700" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 I agree that one of the advantages of the software is the ability to re-use answers. Unfortunately the utility is low as it's often quite difficult to find the duplicate that you know exists. Please take a look at http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/232242/help-us-find-duplicates-efficiently and the related posts. Thanks." CreationDate="2014-11-25T14:06:31.223" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14379" PostId="6700" Score="3" Text="Yeah, something is broken there @Iain - I've tried to figure out why, but not seeing it; need to enlist the help of the guy who wrote it. Will get back to you on that..." CreationDate="2014-12-01T18:56:43.743" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="14103" PostId="6701" Score="9" Text="I was with you until I got the impression from you that SF should be SO and SU's helpdesk." CreationDate="2014-11-21T17:44:48.370" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="14105" PostId="6701" Score="11" Text="@Colyn1337 I'm not sure where you got that impression, can you clarify?  I hope I made it clear that the expectation will still be that questions are on-topic, clear, and answerable." CreationDate="2014-11-21T17:59:08.950" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14121" PostId="6701" Score="5" Text="Possible duplicate of: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1760/server-fault-is-for-system-administrators-in-a-professional-capacity http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1127/unqualified-professionals http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6701/server-fault-needs-professional-quality-questions-not-just-questions-from-profe and many more" CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:33:43.463" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14122" PostId="6701" Score="0" Text="I get and agree with most of your points but until SE decides to remove the &quot;a site for system and network administrators&quot; fundamental concept here then it seems like you're suggesting we ignore it?  So what criteria do we impose based on @ChrisS &quot;possible duplicates&quot; above?" CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:52:36.123" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14123" PostId="6701" Score="1" Text="@TheCleaner The plan is to make a change to the wording in the scope soon. As far as the duplicates, two of those are old discussions from 2011 and the third is this question (?), this is different in that it's a &quot;here's something I want us to try&quot; than an attempt to clarify the old scope; consider it an announcement if that makes more sense :)" CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:56:28.433" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14126" PostId="6701" Score="1" Text="Gotcha.  If the scope is going to change, fine by me, but please bear in mind that one of the close reasons that was &quot;promoted&quot; to be used over move to SU was the &quot;not professional&quot; close reason.  So I would presume that close reason goes away entirely?" CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:15:26.883" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14127" PostId="6701" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner Right, that will need to be adjusted into a similarly appropriate &quot;you're asking in the wrong place.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:17:00.497" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14128" PostId="6701" Score="1" Text="@ShaneMadden I'd like to see that close reason and the &quot;minimal understanding&quot; reviewed. They feel awfully close to the same thing. Perhaps ask a new Q on mSF as to what the wording *should* be?" CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:18:49.433" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14130" PostId="6701" Score="0" Text="OK, last thing...when a change such as this happens what happens to any meta questions that are no longer appropriate going forward?  Would they be removed to prevent confusion?  Is there a way to appropriately communicate such changes to users that might search and find outdated site rules/info on meta?  I'd assume the Help pages will change, but what about what we find on Meta?" CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:20:44.380" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14131" PostId="6701" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Sounds good to me - I'd like to let this one sit a bit longer first with the high-level before we get into those specifics." CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:21:40.577" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14132" PostId="6701" Score="1" Text="@TheCleaner Yeah, there will need to be some housekeeping there to prevent confusion." CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:24:04.940" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14167" PostId="6701" Score="7" Text="I see that roughly 850 questions a week are being asked, but I think the most important metric is also the one that's not easily quantifiable. Sure we have 850 questions a week like we did last year, but the discussion centers around how those 850 questions are seemingly of a decreasing quality, and rightly earning their downvotes and closures. Gone are the days of casting disparaging glances at ExpertsExchange. Gone are the days of attracting experts. It seems like this has become a &quot;think of the children!&quot; discussion where we're supposed to onboard brand new admins and appeal to non-pros." CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:32:33.427" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="14168" PostId="6701" Score="5" Text="...and maybe that's the way the culture of the site is shifting. Maybe that's okay. Maybe we should re-write the FAQs, and mission statements, and start from the ground up. `¯\_(ツ)_/¯`" CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:33:26.867" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="14224" PostId="6701" Score="13" Text="I just want to make it known that I strongly disagree with this approach because it will not only not help attract better questions but instead it will encourage people to post even more crap. And no, I don't think we need to try it because we have edited around our various FAQs and help texts and whatever for years now without any positive effect. The only thing that would help is that SE would acknowledge that their &quot;everyone can ask&quot; approach isn't working everywhere and implements changes around this. The fact that you as an SE employee only came up with *this* tells me that won't happen." CreationDate="2014-11-23T15:49:36.490" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14233" PostId="6701" Score="6" Text="@Sven `we have edited around our various FAQs and help texts and whatever for years now without any positive effect` All of those edits have been angled toward &quot;how can we make it clear to the people we don't want that we don't want them?&quot;  This a different approach - I understand if you have doubts about how well it'll go, but it is a different direction than what's been tried in the past." CreationDate="2014-11-23T20:49:09.203" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14291" PostId="6701" Score="7" Text="@ShaneMadden: This edits where a consequence of the problem we face for years: A steady steam of terrible questions by people who don't care at all and just want to dump their crap into the first textfield they find. Your approach doesn't help at all with this - on the contrary, I fear, as it will remove a (weak) barrier that was erected for a reason. In the end, I would like this change a whole lot more if it came together with effective tools to block crap from being published in the first place, but that would require SE to acknowledge the problem and commit to try to solve it." CreationDate="2014-11-24T17:29:35.337" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14315" PostId="6701" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden: Can you please add an abstract to the front or a `tl;dr` section to the end? I think I got myself lost in all that pretty pictures (and all the rest of the eruption that the election provoked) and managed to get a completely different meaning out of your post - I thought you wanted to eliminate the &quot;about professional system administration&quot;  requirement, but obviously you are talking about &quot;being a professional admin&quot; instead, which is not only something entirely different but also something I do support." CreationDate="2014-11-25T03:30:10.263" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14319" PostId="6701" Score="8" Text="@Sven The idea is to drop the professional requirement, since it's being used as a hammer to close a lot of questions that are perceived to be from &quot;non-professionals&quot;, whether they're devs or sysadmins who are asking something that we think a professional wouldn't ask. We should be handling Qs on whether they're topical and answerable, instead of trying to make all questions that come in be interesting/complex problems (and punishing the ones that aren't). **Using the &quot;professional&quot; reason how we have causes us give a bad impression to potential contributors, and doesn't stop bad questions.**" CreationDate="2014-11-25T09:43:39.510" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14349" PostId="6701" Score="0" Text="The way in which duplicate questions are &quot;closed as duplicate&quot; without providing an obvious link to the original question and answer  (i.e. user experience) definitely contributes to the &quot;rather hostile and insular reputation and a tendency to give a poor first impression.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-11-27T12:10:59.123" UserId="132219" />
  <row Id="14360" PostId="6701" Score="0" Text="@qris It should add a link to the other question to the top of the post when it's marked as duplicate - are there cases you're seeing where that's not happening?" CreationDate="2014-11-28T20:07:08.847" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14454" PostId="6701" Score="0" Text="I'am a new contributor, but honnestly what is laking is a small reputation point on comments, why? it's hard to isolate a server problem. You diagnostic with the user, and someone else get the answer at the end. So, next question, you skip diagnostic step. It lead to poor/guess &quot;Answer&quot; that will be downvoted if it's not ok. It's easy to see as moderator do more diagnostic as they care less for the points than newcomer. All that bring down the quality level IMO." CreationDate="2014-12-04T02:19:00.633" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="14572" PostId="6701" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden As a student, I tend to ask &quot;unprofessional&quot; questions just because it is on topic and it isn't on Google.But I think the professional requirement make SF different to other forums.One of the aim of SF *(and others SE sites)* is to build a library with answers.Allowing peoples who can post non-professional questions might just give engineers the feeling of being hotliners so they would step away from SF, resulting in professional questions being unanswered.So yes, questions like`How to use AD GPOs in order to manage Wake on Lan?`should be downvoted and closed without any comments." CreationDate="2014-12-09T23:09:42.670" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="16939" PostId="6701" Score="5" Text="'hostile and insular reputation and a tendency to give a poor first impression' - this. as a beginner coming from a programming background, I have asked some bad questions that deserved their fate - but the atmosphere here has dissuaded me from asking more that could have been better, or contributing otherwise. I think there is a wealth of expertise here and it's a shame to see it used mostly to delete stuff that isn't considered 'professional'. I'm glad this is changing and that from the other answers, alot of others think it should change too." CreationDate="2015-02-12T14:00:17.973" UserId="117310" />
  <row Id="19956" PostId="6701" Score="0" Text="What about trends on StackOverflow, or StackExchange in general? http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/269334/how-many-active-users-contributors-does-stackoverflow-stackexchange-have/269335#269335" CreationDate="2015-11-13T14:24:54.990" UserId="203035" />
  <row Id="21291" PostId="6701" Score="1" Text="My $0.02 on this is that the poster is correct.   Many sysadmins have a (deserved) reputation as insular, near-autistic pr*cks who won't even talk to you unless you can convert ASCII characters to UTF-8 in your head.  Sad to say many of them seem to hang out here, waiting for someone to innocently ask a question so the sysadmin can slap them and scream &quot;STUPID!&quot;   That will kill this site eventually." CreationDate="2016-09-05T17:59:50.010" UserId="131455" />
  <row Id="22212" PostId="6701" Score="0" Text="This worked well didn't it ;)" CreationDate="2018-01-15T18:31:47.057" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14106" PostId="6702" Score="9" Text="Your premise is that bad questions from the google drive-bys drove people away, but the decline in regular posters began long before the jump in traffic, and again, the jump in traffic didn't cause any jump in question volume, so that doesn't add up.  Yes, I absolutely agree that some regulars have frustrated to the point of giving up on the community by poor quality questions, but I believe that our bigger problem is that we're not bringing in fresh blood." CreationDate="2014-11-21T18:31:21.980" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14107" PostId="6702" Score="5" Text="The &quot;not professional&quot; reason is the [most commonly cited close reason](http://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/249652/off-topic-reasons) among currently pending flags. The second most common is the &quot;minimal understanding&quot; reason. I can't think of any custom close reason on the network that focuses to that degree on the **person asking** rather than the **content of the question**. You've got a participation problem, so that seems counter-productive." CreationDate="2014-11-21T18:31:56.193" UserId="1126" />
  <row Id="14108" PostId="6702" Score="4" Text="@JonEricson `the professional close-reason is used as a supplementary close reason most of the time. There isn't really a clear &quot;your question sucks&quot; close reason, but the professional capacity close reason is fairly close, especially if you read the meta thread on what &quot;professional capacity&quot; means in these parts.`" CreationDate="2014-11-21T18:36:10.540" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14109" PostId="6702" Score="11" Text="But _why_ does the question suck? To an outsider it sounds like the reason it sucks is because the people on this site are elitist dicks. (Your profession is already saddled with an unfair negative stereotype. Why do you want to perpetuate it?) Editing out &quot;at home&quot; hardly makes a question _better_. All it does it make the question fit the arbitrary rules of the site. Making a question better involves things like retitling, retagging, adding detail and removing fluff. The &quot;not professional&quot; reason tells people not to bother with those things because they just aren't allowed to ask at all." CreationDate="2014-11-21T18:56:11.727" UserId="1126" />
  <row Id="14110" PostId="6702" Score="8" Text="@JonEricson I'm all for having a close reason that says &quot;your question is bad and you should feel bad,&quot; but for whatever reason, that idea never gained the approval of SE.  So, we use the tools we have at our disposal. (And I can tell you from experience that using the custom close reason to say &quot;this question should be closed because it is just awful&quot; only causes drama.) In any event, expecting community members to take more time to explain why a question sucks than the OP put into asking it is doomed to failure.  Not gonna happen." CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:01:01.293" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14111" PostId="6702" Score="6" Text="You don't have to explain to the OP why their question sucks if you pick &quot;too broad&quot;, &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot; or &quot;primarily opinion-based&quot;. Fewer clicks even." CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:03:27.190" UserId="1126" />
  <row Id="14112" PostId="6702" Score="14" Text="@JonEricson Well, to be blunt about it, I don't have to explain to any user, ever why their question sucks.  And as I can tell you from experience, it just causes them to get hostile and start flaming in the comments, flags get thrown, the mods message me to be nicer, and I get pissed off.  So that would be why I'm not going to bother telling some random drive-by question asker why his question sucks. It's just wasted effort that results in me being pissed off.  Been down that road before, and I learn from my experiences.  ..." CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:06:39.963" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14113" PostId="6702" Score="13" Text="Hopeless isn't the only one either..." CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:07:57.547" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14114" PostId="6702" Score="3" Text="@JonEricson Having said that, if you would like to be the one to explain to all the windoe-lickers why their question is just horrible, feel free, and even encouraged.  [Start with this recent question](http://serverfault.com/q/646081/118258), rinse and repeat a few dozen times a day, and let us know how long before you burn out/want to kill all the new users/commit suicide/give up." CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:08:00.607" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14116" PostId="6702" Score="0" Text="@JonEricson &quot;Does TOR share IPs with other users&quot; is &quot;too broad&quot;??? It's pretty clear what's being asked, and not opinion based either..." CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:10:46.123" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14118" PostId="6702" Score="0" Text="Re: the current discussion, this is addressed in the paragraph that starts with `This isn’t going to directly address the volume of low quality questions that we’re currently dealing with.`   Trying to further make the point that there are currently bad questions is not necessary, because there isn't disagreement about that.  If you're frustrated to the breaking point by the bad questions, why is the solution to wade further into the problem?" CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:15:37.737" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14119" PostId="6702" Score="0" Text="@JonEricson I never said it was bad. I'm not crazy about it as there's no *problem*, or perhaps it's an XY-Problem, but I wouldn't VTC. There's the issue of presentation/copy-edit... but the OP (hopefully) doesn't speak English as a first language, it's to be expected in a global community." CreationDate="2014-11-21T19:18:12.380" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14134" PostId="6702" Score="7" Text="@JonEricson The &quot;not professional&quot; close reason is intended to apply to the subject matter, not the person. I can see how it could be misinterpreted in that way, though. [It was very difficult to write](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/5916/126632); we ran into the length limit while composing it. I'd be happy with a clearer version of it." CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:51:52.287" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14160" PostId="6702" Score="1" Text="FWIW, @Jon: Michael &amp; I discussed that question a bit after he raised it in chat - while there's a *plausible* interpretation of it, it's far from clear that's what the author is actually asking. If someone wanted to answer it, I would encourage them to re-write the question for clarity; failing that, closing as Unclear is most likely to lead to the necessary improvements." CreationDate="2014-11-21T23:49:42.827" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="14221" PostId="6702" Score="3" Text="As someone not new to SE (SO and SU user) I've avoided asking questions on SF, even when they might have been on-topic because I am not a paid, professional sysadmin. Recently for class, I needed to setup a DSC Pull server as part of an automated Moodle deployment, I ran into some odd permissions issue, I did consider asking here, but thought better of it. As an outsider to this place, it's really hard to know whether someone in my situation, someone not strictly in the profession, but with a professional mindset and using &quot;professional tools&quot; is welcome to ask questions here." CreationDate="2014-11-23T11:51:13.987" UserId="2335" />
  <row Id="14237" PostId="6702" Score="9" Text="@Crippledsmurf: I don't get to be authoritative on this matter, but if you want it, my take is: yes.  Anyone, regardless of mindset and tools, is welcome to ask questions here **provided that they have done their basic research, and tried to answer their own question first**.  If you trundle by with a question at almost *any* level, that shows you've thought about it, and tried to skill up, I'll help if I can.  If your question makes it clear that we're your very first stop for learning about what you're trying to do, I reach for my close button really quickly." CreationDate="2014-11-23T21:51:26.583" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14238" PostId="6702" Score="0" Text="That's fair enough, documented effort should always be a requirement." CreationDate="2014-11-23T21:55:23.283" UserId="2335" />
  <row Id="14133" PostId="6703" Score="27" Text="I feel much the same way. It saddens me to see so many people basically being told &quot;You're too dumb, go away from me before I catch your dumb disease&quot;. I, for one, am guilty of doing this in part. This was wrong of me to do this. I back Shane's proposal for the same reasons you do. I want to give back. But I want to give back to a community that I am proud to be a part of." CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:25:50.297" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14135" PostId="6703" Score="2" Text="I wish I could have worded my disappointment as well as George did but I think I would have slipped into a rage based rant. So I'll just say &quot;Hear, hear!&quot;" CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:54:03.393" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="14140" PostId="6703" Score="12" Text="I'm gonna hazard a guess and say that you didn't get where you are by asking &quot;gimmie teh codez&quot; or other barely intelligible collections of words, and those requests are what we deal with most these days.  We're not doing the sysadmins of the future any favors by answering those types of questions, or letting them clutter up the front page, either.  Learning how to ask good questions and communicate effectively, however, is important, and we'd be wrong not to reflect that in our standards.  (Which, frankly, seems to be the direction this whole thing is heading in.)" CreationDate="2014-11-21T21:47:48.647" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14147" PostId="6703" Score="3" Text="It's amazing what comes lout of the woodwork when there is a bit of a flap on. It's sad that y'all haven't seen fit to play the game or deal with the (apparently) obvious issues before now but I look forward to seeing you improve the place, Kyle, George and Mark." CreationDate="2014-11-21T22:41:28.397" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14163" PostId="6703" Score="19" Text="@HopelessN00b I'm not saying cater to these people at all. But on any given day I can go on the front page and see people giving someone who is trying to learn, or doesn't have perfect English a hard time for trying to improve themselves. _That_ is what makes me sad." CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:06:07.357" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="14327" PostId="6703" Score="2" Text="@Zypher There are occasions where this happens and it is handled poorly. That said, there are also many occasions when someone is clearly in over their head and there really is nothing more to be done than inform them of this. Helping someone make the next step is all well and good, but if they're trying to take the entire staircase at once someone is gonna get hurt." CreationDate="2014-11-25T15:25:38.410" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14485" PostId="6703" Score="1" Text="I tried to point this out previously only to be shouted down because unfortunately a lot of the elitists are moderators themselves.  It is good that this issue is coming to people's realisation but what does anyone suggest should be done about it?" CreationDate="2014-12-05T16:13:41.847" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="14541" PostId="6703" Score="0" Text="I agree, and this is like a war on who did help the more. The way it work, there is no team work at all. No one got all answers, but you can direct the user to the good diag, but other step in to tell you are dumb, or such. Only 6 days I'am participing, and I even seen a OP that edit is question, but my answer then was no longer the best, so I was getting back feedback.. thats stupid. For SF comment should give rep, on SO it's maybe another story, but there you can't write a best answer without diag, and you just hope no other answer while you diag.." CreationDate="2014-12-07T02:35:10.133" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22592" PostId="6703" Score="0" Text="nailed it, ive just been blocked from asking questions, not because i asked bad questions but i wanted to share something i worked out, and i answered my own question in the question, rather than the 'answer my own question' option... what a joke, i get no feedback and just banned...." CreationDate="2019-01-28T00:00:24.410" UserId="154406" />
  <row Id="14142" PostId="6705" Score="14" Text="I don't really feel that a more code-focused system administration style is the problem here. It's a flat out failure to apply critical thinking and basic troubleshooting to a problem before someone asks a question that's the problem. We're not keeping the standard high, but caviling about how we can lower the bar more and pretend we're not. That question you posted would have been great if some research had been done and a more direct question formulated. It seems like people want to use ServerFault as a stateless IRC channel nowadays. PostSecret for button mashers. =/" CreationDate="2014-11-21T22:10:35.747" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="14143" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="TL;DR: We don't hate the game, we hate the playahs. =)" CreationDate="2014-11-21T22:11:51.237" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="14144" PostId="6705" Score="3" Text="(Please don't take the word &quot;hate&quot; too seriously, because I can feel the clutchy-pearls types already buffing their pitchforks.)" CreationDate="2014-11-21T22:12:30.463" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="14165" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="@Wesley I know that an increase in low quality questions is the perception, but I think it's just perception.  If people are burned out they should take a break instead of just being angry, see the last paragraph [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/1032)." CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:15:31.433" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14169" PostId="6705" Score="1" Text="@ShaneMadden Do you think the 850 questions a week we get right now are different in merit than they were in November of 2013? November 2012? Is the percentage of well researched and documened questions vs poorly researched and documented questions higher or lower than it was, say, four years ago?" CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:36:30.333" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="14171" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="I think the question volume and overall question quality has stayed largely the same, with a minor jump in poor questions. I think the ramp-up in question closure and downvotes since July is a reaction to a perceived increase in bad questions; since people heard we were getting more google traffic, they adjusted their perception of incoming questions to assume they were from the google hordes.  Compare [these graphs](http://i.stack.imgur.com/7y0Ll.png) - if the google hordes brought the bad questions, as is the theory, why didn't the downvotes ramp up until long, long after the traffic spike?" CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:45:19.843" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14175" PostId="6705" Score="3" Text="@ShaneMadden Interesting. I never heard about the jump in Google traffic. Personally I just started seeing a marked rise in really poor questions which was alarming, so I took to the downvote, VTC, and flag cannons. My completely unscientific guess about it all is that the poor questions increased, which slowly got people to become insulted and indignant which snowballed into the greater use of the only tools within our grasp to work with: downvote, VTC, and flag. That's how it was with me, anyway." CreationDate="2014-11-22T01:01:48.753" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="14178" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="@Wesley Fair enough - it's very hard to objectively measure if question quality has gone up or down, so I don't know.  Maybe this is due to the cleanup load being spread among fewer people.  In any case, this change doesn't purport to fix question quality directly - hopefully it'll be fixed indirectly by having the cleanup load shared better." CreationDate="2014-11-22T01:15:24.060" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14180" PostId="6705" Score="7" Text="Yes, the devops/code-focused thing is happening... but it's not happening *everywhere*. Not everything is about hyper-automated web-scale systems. And that's not really the way the bulk of the industry (from my vantage point) is going. When I see questions that focus solely on that type of architecture, I wonder, &quot;*where are your mentors? Who is really responsible for the systems? And how did you get placed in charge of them?*&quot; It's like sysadmins have been erased from that landscape and the path of mentorship and learning basics is just *over*." CreationDate="2014-11-22T01:46:47.897" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="14186" PostId="6705" Score="1" Text="@ewwhite Yeah, that's a fair point.  I think easier access to systems is going to mean that'll continue to be an issue, and I think we can help to push those people in the right direction.  It isn't happening everywhere, for sure - I just want us to make sure we're accepting of &quot;both ways&quot; instead of just the way we're used to.  There's good we can do for the devops/cloud types." CreationDate="2014-11-22T04:03:46.400" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14195" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="@Shane: &quot;*it's very hard to objectively measure if question quality has gone up or down*&quot;.  One measure would be to look at the fraction of questions opened in each day which were still open 14 days later, and/or the average vote score on each question after a similar period, for all days in the last three years (say).  Is there any way of doing that?" CreationDate="2014-11-22T15:51:53.997" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14196" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter Sure, and more directly we can look at simply the percentage of questions closed - but my point is that those metrics can only be a a measure of whether the question was considered good by the community at the time it was created. It doesn't objectively measure whether it's the questions that have changed or our standards that have changed." CreationDate="2014-11-22T18:39:06.953" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14198" PostId="6705" Score="7" Text="My other problem with this &quot;new class&quot; of users is that they usually don't return, provide feedback to (my) followup question or even bother accepting answers. A quick query on data.stackexchange.com shows that [I've answered 1,168 questions](http://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/8196/questions-i-have-answered-where-asker-has-not-accepted-an-answer) where the OP didn't even select an answer. Many of these were abandoned. They're treating this site like *Yahoo Answers*." CreationDate="2014-11-22T21:41:04.957" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="14200" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="`I know that an increase in low quality questions is the perception`. Perception is the only reality. @ShaneMadden" CreationDate="2014-11-22T22:23:35.593" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14202" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="@Iain I think we're going to have to agree to disagree, but the point I'm making is that the common perception that the google hordes brought a tide of low quality questions is not supported by the actual data." CreationDate="2014-11-22T22:31:34.303" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14203" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden It doesn't matter what the data says, people's perception is their reality. If people perceive  SF to be a river of shit then that's exactly what it is." CreationDate="2014-11-22T22:49:50.660" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14204" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="What is the impact of the newer Stackexchange sites like unix.stackexchange.com, dba.stackexchange.com, &amp; security.stackexchange.com, and a dozen others to ServerFault? Four years ago, SF was the main place on the Trilogy to ask Unix questions, many kinds of Database Administration questions, and IT Security questions. Today, we have SF *AND* these SE sites. As those sites gain traffic and quality questions, isn't it expected that SF will lose at least an equal amount of traffic &amp; quality questions?" CreationDate="2014-11-22T23:07:23.807" UserId="36178" />
  <row Id="14205" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="@StefanLasiewski Not necessarily, since much (most?) of the active communities of those sites are not people that were SF users before the sites existed.  No change on the policy of &quot;overlap is ok,&quot; see [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/2518/72586)." CreationDate="2014-11-22T23:25:29.797" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14206" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden: &quot;*the common perception that the google hordes brought a tide of low quality questions is not supported by the actual data*&quot;.  It isn't contradicted by it, either; since, as you've noted to me above, you're refusing to allow the community to decide whether a question is of high or low quality, then the proposition's undecidable.  I don't know that I'd go so far as Iain and say that perception is the only reality, but I don't acknowledge the existence of some arbitrary oracle which can render an objective judgement of a question's quality." CreationDate="2014-11-23T00:15:47.407" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14207" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter Ok, then, ask yourself this: are there questions that you see now that you think are out of scope, but would have been in scope based on the community's standards a few years ago?  See the last paragraph of sysadmin1138's answer, I'm not the only one who thinks that's the case." CreationDate="2014-11-23T00:25:16.350" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14215" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden: sysadmin1138's right, there is a reason for that.  The reason is that, given a roomful of experts, the odd head shoved round the door to ask an uninformed, under-prepared question can be helped without problems.  But a constant stream of such heads can't.  My attitude is that most of these questions were never on-topic, but we used to have the bandwidth to indulge them.  I feel that we no longer do." CreationDate="2014-11-23T09:27:22.563" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14219" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter I'm more referring to &quot;easy&quot; questions than poorly asked ones, but regardless, I think we're both looking at the same problem and seeing different solutions. Too many people sticking their heads in for the people in the room to deal with? I'm saying get more people to deal with them and spread the load, and you're saying barricade the door." CreationDate="2014-11-23T11:41:32.603" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14220" PostId="6705" Score="1" Text="@sysadmin1138 By the way, I showed Tom the graph, he was amused :)" CreationDate="2014-11-23T11:42:54.937" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14223" PostId="6705" Score="3" Text="@ShaneMadden: that sums it up very pithily indeed; thank you for that.  I'm unconvinced by your solution because we've had the problem for some time; a solution is now badly needed, or more of the people in the room will just give up and leave.  By all means, once the room contains more people, unbar the door; but for now, a barricade is needed." CreationDate="2014-11-23T13:20:57.223" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14229" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden He's seen it before ;)." CreationDate="2014-11-23T19:43:44.910" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="14246" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden `&quot;the point I'm making is that the common perception that the google hordes brought a tide of low quality questions is not supported by the actual data.&quot;` I just wanted to bring up, that it has _not_ been proven that the influx of Google traffic is innocent in the low quality content. We've only been shown a rather broad number of weekly questions being asked, but the proof one way or the other is within that 850 per week number. How do make context from within that number? idunnolol" CreationDate="2014-11-24T01:16:59.253" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="14247" PostId="6705" Score="0" Text="@Wesley Well, without doing some serious manual labor to blindly classify question quality before and after the google boost.. does it seem more likely that our &quot;normal&quot; question sources reduced by exactly the amount that the boost added, to keep the total volume even, or just that the boost didn't add much?" CreationDate="2014-11-24T01:26:55.187" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14254" PostId="6705" Score="3" Text="I think it is a non zero chance that sources of questions from anything not directly Google related were pushed out at about roughly the same ratio as the Google traffic increased. But I could also see the plummeting quality being as a result of momentum that was set in place long before the Google bump. Maybe the bump from Google is a red herring. I don't really know, but it seems like something to be explored. Nevertheless, the solution to either cause of the problem is the same. Some simple barriers to asking a question. Nothing snobbish. Nothing pompous." CreationDate="2014-11-24T03:09:24.163" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="14152" PostId="6707" Score="1" Text="Decent, but I would include an explicit statement (probably bolded, in red, and/or in size 72 font) that the question does not provide sufficient information to adequately diagnose the issue.  Maybe as a one-line paragraph above all that." CreationDate="2014-11-21T23:10:32.087" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14154" PostId="6707" Score="3" Text="I'm not convinced that it will be useful - the exact kind of people who need to grok this kind of message are the exact kind of people who never will.. but you're right that we should still try." CreationDate="2014-11-21T23:23:35.080" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="14155" PostId="6707" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson I agree, but  for all the good it will do it might as well say `Australian beer is cold fizzy piss.`" CreationDate="2014-11-21T23:25:06.517" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14156" PostId="6707" Score="0" Text="I think this message better describes what is wrong with a number of questions. Although I think the reason for closing is often not only that question itself is not useful to other readers, but it simply can't result in useful answers either. On a related note; how many OP's already edit their closed question sufficiently that it gets re-opened? And if the close reason is changed, can it be tracked if that percentage is changing?" CreationDate="2014-11-21T23:38:14.480" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="14157" PostId="6707" Score="1" Text="@HBruijn That's a good point and I've tweaked it a bit to account for that. As for changing the close reason, yes, they will be tracked separately, before and after." CreationDate="2014-11-21T23:41:30.753" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14164" PostId="6707" Score="5" Text="@Iain what's going on with you? It's no secret that you and I have never been on the same page in regards to this community, but you seem to have lately taken a pretty direct path of opposition to me in particular. I don't think I've done anything to wrong you, have I? In the past when I *have* been wrong, I have withdrawn my comments and personally apologised to you directly. This sort of arguing that you're trying to do is beneath you." CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:11:47.963" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14173" PostId="6707" Score="2" Text="@Iain If your outlook in regard to the site is this bleak, maybe a break is a good idea?  I've always considered you an important part of this community and I'd hate to lose your knowledge and insight, but it seems like you're incredibly frustrated with the current situation." CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:56:30.597" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14174" PostId="6707" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton I like the rewrite.  Maybe different language around reproducing it, since that can be exceedingly difficult in complex environments, but I'm not sure how else to word that succinctly." CreationDate="2014-11-22T00:58:50.323" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14177" PostId="6707" Score="1" Text="@ShaneMadden The only other word I came up with was &quot;understand&quot; but that seems a bit too subjective. I'm still open to suggestions." CreationDate="2014-11-22T01:14:59.067" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14183" PostId="6707" Score="0" Text="That *is* a much better wording than what we started with. And will go even better once we get a link specific to that close-reason." CreationDate="2014-11-22T03:37:33.253" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="14184" PostId="6707" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 Is something being written up specific to this? The linked post is already very good." CreationDate="2014-11-22T03:43:07.500" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14185" PostId="6707" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton I'm thinking about bloody literal-minded people who won't find the words 'problem statement' or 'desired end state' in that otherwise very good link. Getting a question closed is a great way to induce TL;DR rage-reading, so it would be good if we set some bolded speed-bumps with those words in it to maybe get them to slow down and read." CreationDate="2014-11-22T03:52:14.723" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="14187" PostId="6707" Score="2" Text="I like it a lot better than the current version, which has always sounded to me like, &quot;You're not smart enough to understand what you're asking.&quot;  It's also more likely to get more details from people whose questions lack sufficient information, and is also a better description of the problem." CreationDate="2014-11-22T04:38:17.303" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14189" PostId="6707" Score="3" Text="P.S.  Because I've never liked the current version:  Thank you." CreationDate="2014-11-22T05:26:08.107" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14194" PostId="6707" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson I am very wary of you because you have let your personal animosity towards me get the better of your objectivity in the past so I'm very defensive in a `best form of defence is ...` kind of way. Similarly because of the way you view me you missed the joke.  I do feel that lots of people who wear ♦ from local mods right up to Shog9 have let Server Fault down badly. Apparently lots of things are well known but no one who could has seen fit to do anything until there is a bit of a flap on. This make me extremely sad." CreationDate="2014-11-22T09:37:43.547" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14210" PostId="6707" Score="0" Text="Aaaargh! &quot;too long by 39 characters&quot;. Going to move the link to deal with that." CreationDate="2014-11-23T00:57:52.067" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14211" PostId="6707" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton You could start by taking your UID off the end of the links." CreationDate="2014-11-23T04:20:59.607" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14212" PostId="6707" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Oh! Yes, that would work. I don't really care if that's there. Just in the habit of grabbing that particular link everywhere on SE." CreationDate="2014-11-23T04:22:16.793" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14217" PostId="6707" Score="7" Text="I think this rewrite is missing a critical piece: _including attempted solutions_. As I've said elsewhere, I mainly use the &quot;minimal understanding&quot; answer for people who _don't show that they've tried_ and just want us to &quot;give me da codez&quot;. What reason will we use to reject questions like that with this phrasing?" CreationDate="2014-11-23T11:13:47.670" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="14234" PostId="6707" Score="2" Text="Look at [this example](http://serverfault.com/questions/646308/awstats-installation-permission-denied).  It's perfectly clear what the problem is, but the poster didn't try to solve it.  Are we no longer supposed to reject a question like that?  If not, I'm done reviewing close votes." CreationDate="2014-11-23T21:14:58.240" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="14235" PostId="6707" Score="0" Text="@AndrewSchulman That's a good idea, and I think that can be fit in, if only barely." CreationDate="2014-11-23T21:19:57.057" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14275" PostId="6707" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton: Thanks, it looks good to me now." CreationDate="2014-11-24T09:47:49.247" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="14197" PostId="6708" Score="0" Text="So for the feature request, are you thinking this will supplement or replace the current &quot;descriptive close reasons plus comments&quot; system for getting more information out of people?  The main concern I'd have would be that getting those scorecards populated with good information would take a lot of effort on the part of the reviewers, and might not be the most rewarding way for them to spend their time on the site.  On the mobile front, have you tried out the iOS/Android apps?" CreationDate="2014-11-22T19:43:39.193" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14209" PostId="6708" Score="0" Text="The requested feature should happen while a question is still open.  As for the effort required to populate the scorecard, it's up to the community to help people ask good questions.  Scorecard templates is an effort to make it easier to give constructive feedback, as well as prioritizing what changes the community wants.  I think [Stack Exchange should do more to reward community review efforts](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/201984/160519), and I include this feature as the kind of effort SE should reward with points to reviewers." CreationDate="2014-11-23T00:43:36.513" UserId="78702" />
  <row Id="14285" PostId="6708" Score="0" Text="The reason people don't want to document things is that they're not systems or network people. They see no value in it or the systems or networks they are just another tool they want working. They are hack coders and all they really want to do it get on with thrashing at the keyboard to get the next block buster app out the door." CreationDate="2014-11-24T15:22:14.290" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14286" PostId="6708" Score="4" Text="Regardless of what they want to do, we need to make it clear what's required to help them in each situation.  Over time, they might discover the value of fully documenting their question, because they wind up getting the help they want, and might even learn something in the process." CreationDate="2014-11-24T15:42:17.437" UserId="78702" />
  <row Id="14213" PostId="6709" Score="6" Text="It's been an unwritten rule of the moderators to sort out their issues in their private chat - ie, mommy and daddy don't argue in front of the kids. I think Mark has the right idea, that there are stark differences in ideology and those differences need to be explored, but the surrounding discourse should be civil at all times." CreationDate="2014-11-23T04:33:46.627" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14320" PostId="6709" Score="0" Text="I would add that the surrounding discourse should be civil at all times, and without a hint of snark or sarcasm." CreationDate="2014-11-25T10:51:00.213" UserId="78702" />
  <row Id="14222" PostId="6710" Score="19" Text="This may be part of the problem. Many people wouldn't view your type of questions as intermediate. They would classify it as beginner or hobbyist not intermediate. &quot;You don't know what you don't know&quot; applies here. You don't have exposure to the high-end of the profession, so you don't know what's out there. Because of that, you may incorrectly classify your skill level, which may lead to hurt feelings or friction when you post on the site. Note that I don't mean you specifically, but folks like you who would likely not be considered intermediates." CreationDate="2014-11-23T12:57:36.447" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="14225" PostId="6710" Score="7" Text="Having quickly looked over the questions you've asked on Server Fault, I'm confident saying that they're beginner or hobbyist level questions, not intermediate questions.  I don't have a problem with simple or beginner-level questions and users, as those are necessary and even valuable, and I don't think that's what the majority of us crusty old users get pissy about.  It's the shitty questions that we close and/or delete dozens of a day, and the users who don't even know enough about the basics to help." CreationDate="2014-11-23T17:13:50.353" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14245" PostId="6710" Score="10" Text="`&quot;Server Fault has no intermediate questions and no tolerance for intermediate questions&quot;` I would _love_ it if we had more intermediate questions on the site. *Everyone* would love it if we had more intermediate questions on the site. They'd be tolerated all day and night. The problem is that the lion's share of questions coming in are _not_ intermediate. They're beginner at best (which is okay in itself I guess), and completely misunderstand all that is good and holy about computer science / system administration at worst." CreationDate="2014-11-24T01:13:19.770" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="14250" PostId="6710" Score="2" Text="@MDMarra hmm, okay. I think that's an interesting point. the way I would define beginning would be &quot;barely knows how to use a commandline, has _at most_ a rough understanding of how to use e.g. dpkg, ping and other basic tools&quot;, I'd define intermediate as &quot;knows to document things, knows to think about tools like etckeeper or maybe Puppet, can handle dpkg with ease, etc.&quot;, and I'd define advanced as &quot;eats database corruption, RAID failures, mysteriously dropped packets, OpenStack-type clustering, etc. for breakfast&quot; - I'm assuming this doesn't match your definition?" CreationDate="2014-11-24T01:51:52.313" UserId="167999" />
  <row Id="14252" PostId="6710" Score="3" Text="@Wesley, MDMarra - could you give an example of an intermediate question? this is not so much for the discussion as for my own perspective. I think MDMarra nailed it when he said that perspective may be part of the problem. what I call intermediate you may call beginner, and what I call beginner you may call &quot;doesn't even register&quot;. it may be that even if there aren't less doesn't-even-register questions on the site, it would _feel_ better if the signal-to-noise ratio was better. in that case, `s/intermediate/beginner/` and the answer still applies. maybe?" CreationDate="2014-11-24T01:57:38.850" UserId="167999" />
  <row Id="14255" PostId="6710" Score="4" Text="@strugee This was the best intermediate question I could think of in the last few days. Might have been the _only_ intermediate question that popped it's head out of the swamp of despair: http://serverfault.com/questions/646175/how-do-i-make-sec-ignore-a-timestamp-properly" CreationDate="2014-11-24T03:13:02.170" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="14290" PostId="6710" Score="4" Text="@strugee WFIW, I've been doing systems administration for 17 years and I'd consider myself intermediate. You are most definitely falling into the [Dunning-Kreuger Pit](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect)" CreationDate="2014-11-24T15:55:06.363" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14305" PostId="6710" Score="4" Text="@Wesley there are hardly any intermediate questions here because all intermediate questions are answered elsewhere already (even in the respective product's documentation) and the &quot;intermediate&quot; admin knows where to look. The remaining questions are either beginners' (who don't know where to look due to lack of experience) or ones not answered easily (and thus possibly never even posted due to the unlikelihood of getting an answer)." CreationDate="2014-11-24T21:58:31.033" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="14226" PostId="6711" Score="0" Text="I'm very guilty of hanging on in (not so) quiet desperation but I think I'm pretty much done now." CreationDate="2014-11-23T18:14:22.270" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14542" PostId="6711" Score="0" Text="For point #1, as a newcomer I wasnt able to comment on question as I was under 50 points. That lead to generic answer when the question was unclear to try to gain point to reach the 50 points. That does not help the quality." CreationDate="2014-12-07T02:48:40.277" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="14573" PostId="6711" Score="1" Text="@yagmoth555 : `status by design`" CreationDate="2014-12-09T23:13:00.823" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="14574" PostId="6711" Score="0" Text="@user2284570 - then we cant told anything for not so good answer, by design. On SO a comment asking for more code help, but anyone can ask that, on SF, if I ask you to validate in ntdutil for all role if a alive server got them, it does not have the same impact as i lead the diag" CreationDate="2014-12-10T00:08:42.573" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="14576" PostId="6711" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 : this kind of problem raised and as been answered on [Meta StackOverflow](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/212631/242800) hundreds of times with that answer. An other answer *(which also had been answered several times)* is just gain the necessary reputation." CreationDate="2014-12-10T00:16:40.743" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="14577" PostId="6711" Score="0" Text="And i add that the fact we dont reward comment, make the community need a question with a possible direct answer, thus lead to discution like it has there." CreationDate="2014-12-10T00:17:41.290" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="14578" PostId="6711" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 : Seriously just read meta.SE first, this isn't even about SF. Or feel free to [open a duplicate feature-request](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/ask)." CreationDate="2014-12-10T00:19:09.740" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="14581" PostId="6711" Score="0" Text="@user2284570 well, dont know. But the question tell Server Fault need... , so i thougth we talk server fault" CreationDate="2014-12-10T01:29:02.263" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="14258" PostId="6713" Score="5" Text="There's probably an element of this, but I think we'd disagree on how big an element.  The common reaction I've noticed among the regulars and myself to seeing what may be a help vampire (new user, decent question) is to simply ignore it - sentiments like it's worth my time, he's probably not gonna upvote or accept, why bother, etc. have been and are expressed in chat amongst ourselves.  You may well have a point about the response to poor questions, but I'd argue that, especially in the volume we gt them, they actually do harm." CreationDate="2014-11-24T05:05:19.567" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14373" PostId="6713" Score="0" Text="3. ENOLISTENTRY" CreationDate="2014-11-29T09:17:14.207" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14459" PostId="6713" Score="2" Text="The Chef community and company is notorious for being friendly and helpful. Many of them are not afraid to dig into your Puppet problem if they know anything about that. I recall one time where a kid stumbled into the Chef IRC channel looking for advice on cooking a vegetarian dinner to impress his girlfriend. Rather than being berated for asking in the wrong place, he got loads of helpful advice." CreationDate="2014-12-04T14:17:17.690" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="14460" PostId="6713" Score="0" Text="Here on SF, that should rightly be closed/migrated as off-topic, but it goes to show that we needn't rigidly enforce &quot;professional&quot;; we can err on the side of being helpful." CreationDate="2014-12-04T14:19:01.767" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="15705" PostId="6713" Score="1" Text="All done...I have no metrics to quantify whether being nice has helped or not...other than a few random feedbacks from new users and old alike.  Merry Christmas 2014!" CreationDate="2014-12-31T14:21:47.360" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14257" PostId="6714" Score="13" Text="If the scope is going to change, I think it would be helpful to figure out what exactly the new scope is going to be. I'm not entirely comfortable with getting rid of this close reason without a good replacement." CreationDate="2014-11-24T04:56:35.393" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14274" PostId="6714" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton Well, you _have_ replacements, those reasons that speak more specifically to the problems that the question has. If those turn out to be less than sufficient, then we probably need to talk about the wording a bit. It's easy for the OP to read the reason, but hard for folks to actually _pick_ one, so the angst falls more on the close voters than anything. A &quot;catch all&quot; reason alleviates this, but only the symptom - if changing this makes you feel that uneasy, we should probably talk about the rest of the reasons and what they might lack." CreationDate="2014-11-24T09:42:06.633" UserId="1661" />
  <row Id="14282" PostId="6714" Score="3" Text="What @MichaelHampton said, especially since we haven't really, truly, officially decided to change scope, right?  (FWIW, I may be &quot;Team Nice&quot; but I like our scope the way it is.)" CreationDate="2014-11-24T14:20:33.627" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14323" PostId="6714" Score="2" Text="@KatherineVillyard Edited Q, but wanted to post a comment to the same effect. Nobody is proposing changing the scope of the site, just the subjective wording. This proposal similarly does not intend to change either the wording or the actual scope of the site, it is merely a reaction to a distinct problem. The problem here is this close reason should almost never be used, but is the close reason 43% of the time, more than any other, and almost more than all others combined. Additionally, it's very difficult to infer a &quot;correct&quot; understanding of this close reason without reading a wall-o-text." CreationDate="2014-11-25T14:07:41.627" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14325" PostId="6714" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @ChrisS.  That makes a lot of sense." CreationDate="2014-11-25T14:46:30.937" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14334" PostId="6714" Score="1" Text="My thinking is that we could use a replacement close reason that drops the &quot;professional&quot; wording, but still keeps the gist of &quot;uhh, you're way out of scope here&quot;, which communicates clearly that the question should not be re-asked here even if it's improved in ways it would need to be improved for it to be good enough to migrate.  For instance, blatant homework questions, or a poorly asked question which, when cleaned up, would belong on SU.  I think we get enough of those that it'd be a headache to &quot;Other&quot; for all of them." CreationDate="2014-11-25T21:43:24.017" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14336" PostId="6714" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden I'd have to look at the numbers to be sure, but my gut reaction is that we don't get enough poor questions to justify the close reason. Also, being homework really doesn't make it automatically off-topic, and I've seen maybe a dozen of them in my 4 years." CreationDate="2014-11-26T04:13:27.187" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14337" PostId="6714" Score="0" Text="Using Shog's &quot;random 40&quot;: reopen†, migrated, doesn't have admin†, recommendation, recommendation†, minimal†, minimal†, unclear†, minimal, migrated, unclear†, reopen†, recommendation, recommendation, migrated, minimal, migrate†, reopen†, migrate†, reopen†, migrated, way-off-topic, dupe†, minimal, call vendor†, reopen†, minimal†, minimal†, migrate†, minimal, reopen†, minimal†, reopen†, recommendation, minimal, reopen†, recommendation†, minimal†, minimal†. **&quot;†&quot; = Closed for wrong reason - that's 25 of the 40. Exactly 1 could reasonable be &quot;non-professional&quot; of the 18 that were closed as that.**" CreationDate="2014-11-26T04:46:35.353" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14338" PostId="6714" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Not bad at all - seems like we can at least give it a shot without it and see how it goes." CreationDate="2014-11-26T07:39:33.677" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14259" PostId="6715" Score="0" Text="Which close reason should have been used ?" CreationDate="2014-11-24T06:26:38.797" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14260" PostId="6715" Score="1" Text="A diagnosis of &quot;Use your vendor support?&quot;" CreationDate="2014-11-24T06:35:19.307" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="14269" PostId="6715" Score="0" Text="@Iain I made a conscious decision not to post my opinion on the close reason, because I do not believe it should have been closed. I was going to throw an edit on it, but when I first saw it I was just heading out of the office, and when I wrote this post I was about to make dinner, so didn't have the time to edit it into a more well formatted question." CreationDate="2014-11-24T08:23:39.080" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14270" PostId="6715" Score="1" Text="@Magellan You could diagnose 90% of the questions on this site as &quot;contact the vendor&quot;, but for whatever reason people choose not to. And the answer is less &quot;contact your vendor&quot; as &quot;your device has failed&quot; and the *next step* is to contact the vendor." CreationDate="2014-11-24T08:25:14.043" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14271" PostId="6715" Score="1" Text="Ok cool but if you're going to try to educate people you should tell them what's right as well a what's wrong (or vice versa)." CreationDate="2014-11-24T08:28:16.207" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14272" PostId="6715" Score="0" Text="@Iain I want to keep this post unbiased in that regards. That way it can still be relevant in the future. Keeping it simple." CreationDate="2014-11-24T08:30:01.147" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14276" PostId="6715" Score="3" Text="You can always make your own ideas an answer." CreationDate="2014-11-24T12:39:10.177" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14297" PostId="6715" Score="2" Text="Please don't delete vote the referenced question, so that people with less than 20k rep can actually see what's being discussed." CreationDate="2014-11-24T20:41:52.780" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14298" PostId="6715" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden it's small enough that I've edited it into the question. Also there were delete votes on it, but they seem to be gone..." CreationDate="2014-11-24T21:03:38.230" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14299" PostId="6715" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson I undeleted it." CreationDate="2014-11-24T21:04:04.260" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14300" PostId="6715" Score="0" Text="Oh so you did! Just saw that in the revision history. Damn." CreationDate="2014-11-24T21:04:27.757" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14261" PostId="6716" Score="0" Text="Server Fault as a place by sysadmins for sysadmins has probably never existed. It has pretty much always been a place where people come to ask sysadmins for help. As such, it has failed in it's mission and is no different from pretty much anywhere else on he internet. It really is time to move on leave it to become truly what it is Yahoo! answers. Don't forget to donate the spare time you'll have to a good cause rather than lining SE's pockets." CreationDate="2014-11-24T07:09:09.827" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14262" PostId="6716" Score="1" Text="Can we keep discussion of bullet point 3 on the question that's dedicated to that?" CreationDate="2014-11-24T07:21:36.567" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14263" PostId="6716" Score="1" Text="It's very relevant to this proposal. I wholeheartedly disagree in every conceivable way." CreationDate="2014-11-24T07:23:30.057" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="14264" PostId="6716" Score="0" Text="@Magellan If you disagree with that, then disagree on that question." CreationDate="2014-11-24T07:24:02.340" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14265" PostId="6716" Score="3" Text="You listed it here, I'm addressing it here. If you feel that strongly about it, go ahead and delete my answer." CreationDate="2014-11-24T07:24:47.880" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="14266" PostId="6716" Score="1" Text="@Magellan I'm not Chris, actually.  I'm just saying that if you're disagreeing with that, then it makes more sense to register your disagreement *where that's actually being discussed*, as opposed to here.  Especially since the complaints you seem to have with it are directly addressed in that post." CreationDate="2014-11-24T07:26:16.387" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14267" PostId="6716" Score="2" Text="I haven't yet had an opportunity to read the full wall o' text that question has become. Kinda busy doing my job." CreationDate="2014-11-24T07:32:06.337" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="14281" PostId="6717" Score="1" Text="This answer addresses the problem while avoiding the land mine of bullet #3. It also steers people towards the other SE sites, which the current answer does not. Me likey." CreationDate="2014-11-24T13:57:35.777" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14328" PostId="6717" Score="0" Text="Sorry, but I disagree. If the question is good it shouldn't be close, it should be migrated to where the good question can get good answers. If it's crap to begin with it should be close because it's crap, not because the crap is also off-topic. This rewording has the exact same problem as the original wording." CreationDate="2014-11-25T15:30:00.877" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14330" PostId="6717" Score="3" Text="I'll admit it may appear a lazy choice but with 40+ active sites in the category technology alone and 186 proposals in Area51 my knowledge of what is on-topic and where decreases by the day." CreationDate="2014-11-25T15:55:00.120" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="14295" PostId="6718" Score="0" Text="The title of the question stated that the lights are &quot;always&quot; on. Unfortunately this was not repeated in the body of the question, even after my edit. I can see your point regarding the amount of effort put into the question." CreationDate="2014-11-24T19:52:33.430" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14296" PostId="6718" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson So it does.  I've thrown a reopen vote on it accordingly." CreationDate="2014-11-24T20:02:49.573" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14301" PostId="6718" Score="4" Text="There's at least a *little* irony in assuming the OP put less than 7 seconds into a question because you thought it lacked info... that you didn't have enough time to see in the title, no?" CreationDate="2014-11-24T21:14:03.667" UserId="130222" />
  <row Id="14303" PostId="6718" Score="0" Text="I don't think the title is the right place to put that kind of information. It should really be in the body but that's an easy edit if you notice it's required." CreationDate="2014-11-24T21:29:57.230" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14304" PostId="6718" Score="2" Text="@Jaydles You seem to have have a very low irony threshold.  I don't find it the least bit ironic that I missed a single word in the title of the post, that wasn't present in the body, yet was the crucial detail about the problem, no." CreationDate="2014-11-24T21:37:35.110" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14339" PostId="6718" Score="1" Text="@Jaydles is that more or less 'irony' than a SE employee berating a regular (better still, a volunteer who is prepared to give up their time to be a site moderator) for missing a single word in a title despite SE showing a complete lack of interest in this site and missing several novels-worth of words written on here themselves?" CreationDate="2014-11-26T08:51:55.977" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="14283" PostId="6719" Score="5" Text="I think this would be a good use for the free form Close-&gt;Other. If that wasn't under off topic." CreationDate="2014-11-24T15:11:04.303" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14284" PostId="6719" Score="0" Text="I've used the close -&gt; other form that way, yes.  It's up to the community as to whether or not having this would be useful as official verbiage." CreationDate="2014-11-24T15:14:10.100" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14287" PostId="6719" Score="1" Text="@Iain That and the community has a habit of piggybacking on the template reasons. (even when they don't really make sense)" CreationDate="2014-11-24T15:42:40.743" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14288" PostId="6719" Score="0" Text="It's surely just a [SMOP](http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/SMOP.html) to fix it's location and thus vastly improve it's utility. Not that most people read the close reason anyway `...`" CreationDate="2014-11-24T15:46:43.463" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14350" PostId="6719" Score="1" Text="FYI on network engineering we simply vote these questions off topic" CreationDate="2014-11-27T13:26:15.993" UserId="78702" />
  <row Id="14289" PostId="6720" Score="4" Text="If the question is relevant to Development environment then it should be migrated to StackOverflow. If the question is relevant to Home environments then it should be migrated to SuperUser. If it's crap it should be closed as crap." CreationDate="2014-11-24T15:47:30.433" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14357" PostId="6721" Score="2" Text="Too often we're closing as &quot;off topic! n00b!&quot; and not asking those diagnosis questions, which could potentially see the question either answered or migrated somewhere sensible. Migrating says &quot;good question, wrong place&quot; and is Good Customer Service; closing is like slapping them in the face and genuinely makes us look bad." CreationDate="2014-11-28T04:13:20.817" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="14358" PostId="6721" Score="0" Text="@Andrew That said, there is a line: we're not supposed to migrate *bad* questions as it's just passing the buck." CreationDate="2014-11-28T08:40:27.783" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14585" PostId="6721" Score="0" Text="And on the flip side - a good sysadmin is also a person who's tried  a lot of the possible solutions already, and is really stuck with something specific - which may not be answerable, because everyone else on SF isn't using that make/model/version." CreationDate="2014-12-10T12:51:56.773" UserId="216511" />
  <row Id="14292" PostId="6723" Score="1" Text="I like it!  Definitely an improvement, IMHO." CreationDate="2014-11-24T18:11:33.173" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14293" PostId="6723" Score="0" Text="400 character limit, you're over by 40" CreationDate="2014-11-24T18:47:41.690" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14294" PostId="6723" Score="0" Text="Ah...ok, I'll modify it Chris" CreationDate="2014-11-24T18:51:18.307" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14307" PostId="6723" Score="0" Text="Suggesting to contact the vendor is often appropriate. And it might not need a close reason of its own. However your wording reads a lot like two unrelated close reasons mixed up in one paragraph. We should think about possible ways to improve wording. How about questions where asking the vendor would have been appropriate, but somehow it just didn't work out (not all vendors are equally professional)? Would that class of questions be considered off-topic?" CreationDate="2014-11-24T22:18:36.500" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="14308" PostId="6723" Score="0" Text="My edit was just a recommendation to @KatherineVillyard ...I agree it can be construed as 2 different close reasons." CreationDate="2014-11-24T22:24:49.267" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14314" PostId="6723" Score="1" Text="This seems MUCH better to me, actually, especially since it cuts out the &quot;I need this to force my sysadmin to do crap he dosen't need to do&quot; type questions too" CreationDate="2014-11-25T03:11:39.123" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="14326" PostId="6723" Score="3" Text="@JourneymanGeek There was one memorable question that seemed to boil down to, &quot;The people who manage my active directory are completely unavailable, and I have no privileges to change a computer's OU, so to add a computer to the OU it needs to be in I change the name of a computer on my workbench, then give my new computer the same name, stand on my head, cross my fingers, and remove/re-add the machine.  Why isn't this working as expected?&quot;  Um.  (Dude!  Sorry your admins are unresponsive, but talk to them, anyway.  We can't do anything about that.)" CreationDate="2014-11-25T14:53:08.047" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14354" PostId="6724" Score="0" Text="This is my thinking also. Many questions a vendor could answer, but that dosen't mean the questioner is in a position to ask them. Hell, we've got support with companies that i utterly dread dealing with, period. Also it's a little too easy to slip into abusing a close reason of this type. It almost becomes 'go away, speak with whoever wrote your software' for just about anything at all." CreationDate="2014-11-28T00:00:20.317" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="14306" PostId="6728" Score="11" Text="I'm troubled that you think SE staff have said (or even think) that all this community's members are hostile or toxic.  I won't speak for my peers, but I know for a fact that SF has *tons* of awesome, generous participants, many of whom are also patient and kind, sometimes even to some folks who haven't earned it. I *do* think this community has been more challenged than others by lost drive-bys, and the result has been much more visible pockets of hostility than almost any other of our sites have, but we *know* there are tons of givers here, including those who've lost patience of late." CreationDate="2014-11-24T22:14:50.880" UserId="130222" />
  <row Id="14309" PostId="6728" Score="11" Text="@Jaydles I'm referring to Shog's comments on HopelessN00b's nomination and Zyper's answer and Kyle's comment here: http://meta.serverfault.com/a/6703/6177  We're all lumped together as being &quot;a community full of hate&quot;" CreationDate="2014-11-24T23:13:45.503" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="14311" PostId="6728" Score="1" Text="Regarding review-queues. There are some admin stats available that really show the differences between reviewers. In the last 30 days, of the people with &gt;100 close-reviews, the close-vote percentage ranges from 59% to 95%." CreationDate="2014-11-25T00:58:09.593" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="14316" PostId="6728" Score="6" Text="@Ward A large part of why I took that the mod comments so poorly was because it left me with a feeling that we're avoided by SE until opportunities to say things like this present themselves. This is a *really* crappy, morale murdering impression that I hope I remain in the minority on. A 24 hour break got my head back in the game, but this isn't exactly the best way for multiple mods to make their reintroduction." CreationDate="2014-11-25T05:15:40.510" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14317" PostId="6728" Score="1" Text="@AndrewB Don't worry the jewellers shop full of diamonds will be as absent as ever before the year ends." CreationDate="2014-11-25T06:19:25.840" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14321" PostId="6728" Score="2" Text="@AndrewB &quot;this isn't exactly the best way for multiple mods to make their reintroduction&quot; What you said." CreationDate="2014-11-25T12:37:49.567" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14324" PostId="6728" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 regarding the close review queue.  Call me selfish, but once I hit 1,000 reviews in it, I really stopped caring to go in there often.  There was no fake reward to be had at that point.  Maybe the badges could reset at 1,000 after giving the gold reward and start over for multiples of the same review badges?" CreationDate="2014-11-25T14:10:21.360" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14361" PostId="6728" Score="0" Text="In the sense of the hostility, SO is much worser as SF." CreationDate="2014-11-28T20:13:04.960" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="14383" PostId="6728" Score="1" Text="I just want to point out, this guy has the best overall combination of experience in activities relevant to moderation--reviewing, flagging, editing, meta.sf &amp; MSE participation, participation at multiple SE sites. His voting record (both number and up/down ratio) shows understanding of what makes SE sites tick (poor questions should be downvoted, but more importantly upvotes encourage positive participation). And I think his answers show the right approach to helping SF succeed--get rid of truly useless noise *without* being too exclusive and chasing people off for not being advanced enough." CreationDate="2014-12-02T00:56:26.820" UserId="173740" />
  <row Id="14302" PostId="6729" Score="7" Text="I got the same, but the votes still stuck.  I figured Evan was trying to grab some hanging chads hoping to force a mis-election." CreationDate="2014-11-24T21:20:16.797" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14359" PostId="6731" Score="0" Text="I see several of them _daily_. And because I see them, others generally don't. :)" CreationDate="2014-11-28T18:46:42.767" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14310" PostId="6732" Score="0" Text="Great answers, thanks!  A couple little follow-ups, if you don't mind: `you can expect to see me taking an active role in the front page` - I think I understand what you're saying but just to confirm, this means squashing the kinds of questions you mentioned earlier as meriting immediate closure?  `Questions about things that aren't really system administration` - Would you include &quot;questions from someone who says they're a developer, but they're doing sysadmin work&quot; in that category?" CreationDate="2014-11-25T00:44:13.203" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14312" PostId="6732" Score="0" Text="Questions from developers are often bad, but aren't automatically bad.  Most of them don't merit immediate closure, though a few of them merit immediate migration.  An active role in the front page means both commenting and immediate closure where warranted, but again, only in very clear cases." CreationDate="2014-11-25T01:05:33.570" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="14313" PostId="6732" Score="5" Text="Thanks for clarifying - you have my vote!" CreationDate="2014-11-25T01:16:27.780" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14329" PostId="6732" Score="2" Text="I really like your answer about easy questions. As a newer person to the IT world I often dread asking something because someone else might find it easy... Which is a difficult position to be in (at which point is my question hard enough?)" CreationDate="2014-11-25T15:36:56.130" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="14384" PostId="6732" Score="0" Text="If I had just one vote, I think this would be it (though tough call between him and Ward). Excellent mix of relevant experience (reviewing, flagging, editing, meta.sf and MSE participation, participation at multiple SE sites, frequent voting), but in particular I think his answers here and in meta are exceptionally sensible and thoughtful, and show both the right temperament for a mod and *exactly* the right approach to fostering both the site's participation level and usefulness." CreationDate="2014-12-02T01:12:17.963" UserId="173740" />
  <row Id="14385" PostId="6732" Score="0" Text="If there's anything here I disagree with, it's that, being an avid reviewer myself, I think he's WAY too nice to robo-reviewers and rubber-stampers. :) But I do see the point about the occasional bad reviewer having limited impact that might not be worth risking offending people who are trying to be helpful...perhaps SF has a lower proportion of careless reviewers than what I'm used to at SO, making it less important to weed them out." CreationDate="2014-12-02T01:14:24.237" UserId="173740" />
  <row Id="14340" PostId="6733" Score="2" Text="I'd like to quickly comment on your &quot;delete instead of close&quot; comment. As a person who's still relatively new to SE and SF I'd like you to reconsider. I've removed my own question before, when someone was able to point me to a similar question (worded in a way that didnt occur to me when I was researching the issue). And allowing for deletions will at some point (probably, most likely) lead to the kind of question I posed being deleted. With all the frustration and confusion that comes with that." CreationDate="2014-11-26T09:25:17.953" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="14341" PostId="6733" Score="2" Text="@Reaces: What I was talking about was to more often delete clearly off-topic, redundant or irrecoverably bad questions. As an example, [this](http://serverfault.com/questions/647141/what-is-reseller-hosting) question posted this morning would be a candidate for deletion (if you can't see it, it's gone as even non-mod users with &gt;= 10k rep can vote to delete closed questions without answers and three downvotes).  Care has to be taken to take a measured approach for this and it's something I would discuss with my co-mods first." CreationDate="2014-11-26T10:02:52.953" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14386" PostId="6733" Score="0" Text="I think getting rid of review audits and badges would be a ***very*** bad idea. The &quot;gamification&quot; system flat-out works, and no amount of pontificating about how people &quot;should&quot; be motivated by wanting to improve the site and not by gaining &quot;useless internet points&quot; can change the reality that if those &quot;useless internet points&quot; were removed, reviewing activity would **crater**, and, I want to emphasize, *the supply of diligent reviewers would dry up almost to the same extent as the supply of reviewers who just want internet points for the least amount of effort*. I'd put money on it." CreationDate="2014-12-02T01:22:46.920" UserId="173740" />
  <row Id="14387" PostId="6733" Score="0" Text="I do think that the gamification system is a double-edged sword, and that it incentivizes abuse as well as conscientious contributions, but dumping out the baby with the bathwater is the wrong approach. The right approach is the one taken: hand out the badges and stats, but actively weed out those who abuse the system. On the contrary, I think the audit system should be strengthened and honed rather than abolished." CreationDate="2014-12-02T01:26:59.270" UserId="173740" />
  <row Id="14389" PostId="6733" Score="0" Text="@AdiInbar: I strongly disagree with the idea that you can use something like the audit system to solve a people problem, especially if it as crappy and broken as *this* audit system. Technology **can't** solve people problems. Also, as usual, this crap was introduced network-wide to solve a SO problem that just doesn't really exist on SF. Anyway, I wouldn't even care if there at least was the option to not be eligible for collecting a few pixels of nothing in exchange for unhindered review. They could take away all my stupid badges if they would just stop to insult me..." CreationDate="2014-12-02T12:34:41.547" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14390" PostId="6733" Score="0" Text="@Sven Could you elaborate on where your repeated &quot;Insult me&quot; statement comes from? Is this some SF thing I'm as of yet not aware of?" CreationDate="2014-12-02T15:29:32.263" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="14391" PostId="6733" Score="0" Text="@Reaces: It might be irrational, but I feel insulted when some programmer decides it's OK to implement these nonsensical checks that do nothing but slow me down and steal my time (whenever something appears to be strange, I open a link to the original question because of this) and then manage to top it up with messages that feel condescending even if you &quot;pass&quot; the test and get real insulting if you fail it because a) you have a different opinion if something should be closed or b) the programmer failed to anticipate yet another special case that will trip you even if you are careful." CreationDate="2014-12-02T15:50:34.313" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14392" PostId="6733" Score="0" Text="@Sven This would be in the review process for closing posts? I can't really see how the whole process works because I lack the points to access it. And it'll probably take a long time at my rate getting those points :P (Seeing as how I mostly comment and ask questions, as opposed to answering them)" CreationDate="2014-12-02T15:53:18.280" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="14393" PostId="6733" Score="0" Text="Case in point: Just yesterday, I got an failed audit because of an answer where somewhere made a verbatim copy of another answer and was downvoted and deleted because of it. The original answer was OK, so I acted accordingly because I couldn't see the whole picture. No, dear unknown StackExchange programmer, it wasn't me who failed..." CreationDate="2014-12-02T15:54:54.520" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14394" PostId="6733" Score="0" Text="@Reaces: Yes, it's about the review process. Some time ago, SE decided to introduce an audit system where they inserted special review objects that need to be answered in a special way to pass a test. The idea is to prevent people to just click through the review process to earn some badges you can earn for participating in the review process without paying attention." CreationDate="2014-12-02T15:58:36.297" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14395" PostId="6733" Score="0" Text="@Sven Hmmm...&quot;technology can't solve people problems&quot; has a nice aphoristic ring to it, but I think it's too broad and vague a generalization to be very meaningful. My question is whether the audit system serves a useful function, and my answer is absolutely yes. The kinds of things you seem to see as objections to the system as a whole, I see as specific issues that could be improved. That's what I mean when I say it should be *honed* rather than eliminated." CreationDate="2014-12-02T17:53:12.013" UserId="173740" />
  <row Id="14396" PostId="6733" Score="0" Text="For example, regarding audits being a waste of time, I don't think it would be a bad idea to implement some system for achieving &quot;trusted reviewer&quot; status after one has a demonstrated track record for diligent reviewing. I also think there are some methodological flaws in how review audits are selected, and the case you raised pertains to one of them. Too long for comments, I'll get around to discussing this at MSE one of these days. But, I see these as areas for improvement, not reasons for getting rid of the system." CreationDate="2014-12-02T17:55:25.577" UserId="173740" />
  <row Id="14397" PostId="6733" Score="0" Text="In any case, it's hard for me to identify with being personally insulted by a canned message that I know results from an imperfection in an automated system. It should be no more insulting than getting an error message saying you've entered invalid data due to a bug in some program you're using. It may be annoying, but not an insult. In fact, I think you make a case for why it *shouldn't* be insulting--if you know that you only &quot;failed&quot; because some programmer who doesn't know you from Adam made a tenuous assumption in designing how audits are selected, then what's there to be offended about?" CreationDate="2014-12-02T18:00:19.227" UserId="173740" />
  <row Id="14398" PostId="6733" Score="0" Text="To be fair...if you say that the audit system addresses an SO problem that doesn't exist at SF, I'll have to defer to you on that, since my reviewing experience comes from SO. However, if that's the case, it's only because SO is an order of magnitude more popular. If SF achieves its goal and becomes the preeminent IT Q&amp;A resource on the Internet, you can bet you'll see those same problems." CreationDate="2014-12-02T18:20:12.380" UserId="173740" />
  <row Id="14400" PostId="6733" Score="0" Text="@Sven Funnily enough, just to see what you ment I tried out the review. And I ended up &quot;passing&quot; a test by upvoting an answer you provided :)" CreationDate="2014-12-02T20:58:57.847" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="14342" PostId="6734" Score="0" Text="Only a few of the candidate threads went up in flames, and certainly none of the ones belonging to the popular votes. I was referring mostly to comments." CreationDate="2014-11-26T14:44:27.770" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14318" PostId="6735" Score="2" Text="I agree (to make it explicit as another candidate)." CreationDate="2014-11-25T08:22:16.123" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14331" PostId="6737" Score="2" Text="Yikes. -5? Perhaps I should clarify some of my answers.  If anyone has any feedback, it'd be nice." CreationDate="2014-11-25T19:50:07.007" UserId="185661" />
  <row Id="14333" PostId="6737" Score="4" Text="We are posting comments in a troll answer" CreationDate="2014-11-25T20:51:26.053" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="14344" PostId="6737" Score="0" Text="@JonEricson I've removed the IP-ban &amp; reverse-captcha ideas. Regardless of intent, I'm not intending to troll." CreationDate="2014-11-26T15:09:20.140" UserId="185661" />
  <row Id="14346" PostId="6737" Score="8" Text="You have 0 helpful out of 0 total flags according to the nominee list, and as of now have voted a grand total of 16 times since you joined the site a bit over a year ago according to your profile. Yet you claim to read everything and &quot;vote/flag accordingly&quot;. At 434 rep currently, you don't even have access to the low-requirement review queues (&quot;access review queues&quot; privilege requires 500 rep). You have two site meta answers (the one other than this net voted -4, so not exactly violent agreement from the community), (continued)" CreationDate="2014-11-27T09:15:55.540" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="14347" PostId="6737" Score="4" Text="no site meta questions, a single main site question (voted +2), your highest main site answer is voted +4 (not terrible), and you have virtually no [meta.se] participation. Could you please elaborate on how you feel this shows you as an active member of the *community,* rather than just a relatively casual (judging by your visible activity) *user* of the site?" CreationDate="2014-11-27T09:16:30.347" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="14351" PostId="6737" Score="1" Text="I don't know why `(1) less than two tags, (2) no example code, (3) poorly formatted` was indicator that OP doesn't write a good question. Point (1) likely wasn't valid indicator because many good question has only single tag. We can edit to include relevant tags tough. Point (2) wasn't a bit confused me because we aren't SO, and we need configuration instead code. Point (3) can't be fixed by edit though. Maybe OP doesn't know how to write in Markdown. Single edit will help OP familiarize himself with formatting" CreationDate="2014-11-27T15:04:32.597" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="14399" PostId="6737" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I don't think the issue is lack of clarity, it's an almost total lack of experience, both here and in the SE network in general. And some of the answers demonstrate that lack of experience. @masegaloeh's comment gives some examples. Also: `will you continue to delve the review-queues at your current rate?` `Since my current rate is &quot;none&quot; or &quot;what's a review queue&quot;, I'd say yes. I will continue at my current pace.` Do you really think that saying, effectively, &quot;I've never done a review before and I don't plan to start&quot; really sells you as a mod candidate? ;)" CreationDate="2014-12-02T18:29:55.437" UserId="173740" />
  <row Id="14345" PostId="6740" Score="7" Text="There *is* a different policy for i.stack.imgur.com: images are retained forever (at least if they're linked in a post on Stack Exchange). [sf] isn't the only site where some images have seemingly vanished, or even vanished for some users only (some kind of screwup in imgur's replication?), it's a rare but reproduced bug." CreationDate="2014-11-26T18:32:24.043" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="14348" PostId="6741" Score="11" Text="Why not? In the primaries it shows your *utter* dissapproval of the candidate in question" CreationDate="2014-11-27T09:55:16.720" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="14355" PostId="6741" Score="4" Text="to be honest, i want to be able to throw shoes at them. :(" CreationDate="2014-11-28T00:02:04.567" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="14356" PostId="6741" Score="5" Text="I wish I could downvote one twice.  :P" CreationDate="2014-11-28T03:57:12.950" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14352" PostId="6742" Score="3" Text="So voting is more of a confidence indicator than a standard voting situation." CreationDate="2014-11-27T18:10:32.970" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="14353" PostId="6742" Score="0" Text="At this stage yes. From tomorrow (Friday 27/11) at 20:00 UTC the top 10 candidates will advance to the election proper." CreationDate="2014-11-27T18:24:59.200" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14377" PostId="6743" Score="1" Text="In all cases where you see tags that should be merged just drop them in a Question on meta. We'll clean it up. The official method of suggesting tag synonyms doesn't work on a site smaller than [So]. And there isn't enough volume to bother with it. Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-11-30T03:40:25.160" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14362" PostId="6744" Score="0" Text="It seems that this is not true, at least 2 people in the election had overall negative scores." CreationDate="2014-11-28T20:29:33.253" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14363" PostId="6744" Score="0" Text="Did they make it to the next round though?" CreationDate="2014-11-28T20:50:20.267" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="14364" PostId="6744" Score="0" Text="[I'll give that comment the contempt it deserves](http://serverfault.com/election?cb=1)" CreationDate="2014-11-28T20:53:22.607" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14365" PostId="6744" Score="1" Text="@BigHomie For posterity, no. They didn't." CreationDate="2014-11-28T21:42:16.870" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="14366" PostId="6744" Score="0" Text="@Iain I'm on SE mobile, easier to just ask the question :)" CreationDate="2014-11-28T22:27:19.280" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="14367" PostId="6744" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 I see two people who had net negative vote count in the election." CreationDate="2014-11-28T23:51:37.457" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14368" PostId="6744" Score="0" Text="@Iain my mistake, I was thinking about the election phase, not the true second (primary) phase. I've update my answer." CreationDate="2014-11-29T01:16:57.043" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="14369" PostId="6744" Score="0" Text="@Iain Net-negative is a bit different than a value showing as -1. We had one of those in the primary, that candidate didn't make the general." CreationDate="2014-11-29T03:04:38.330" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="14370" PostId="6744" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 Nope. the answer here says net positive which is wrong.  The value showing as -1 is SE being `pink-and-fluffy` and not showing a much bigger negative total that 2 candidates have. The candidate that didn't make it to the primary effectively came 11th in the primary." CreationDate="2014-11-29T07:49:44.457" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14371" PostId="6744" Score="0" Text="Still wrong. The 2 candidates showing -1 at the end of the primary who got to the election proper had +19/-77 and +25/-81. They look like overall negative values to me. The one that failed to get through had +32/-165 and is therefore quite clearly the least fragrant of the candidates. All 3 show as -1 unless you expand the voting, you can see it clearly if you check out the [primary tab](http://serverfault.com/election/4?tab=primary)" CreationDate="2014-11-29T07:58:45.143" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14380" PostId="6744" Score="2" Text="@Iain I don't see any primary tab on that bikeroutetoaster.com site.  :p" CreationDate="2014-12-01T18:57:51.500" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="14381" PostId="6744" Score="1" Text="hahahahah no you know where I cycled at the weekend :) @Zoredache" CreationDate="2014-12-01T19:14:18.607" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14372" PostId="6746" Score="1" Text="I always like concrete data, but how does the linked question show any signs of kindness (as per the original question) causing &quot;*useful, respectful dialog*&quot;?  I can see the ever-heroic HBrujin giving an excellent answer to yet another questionable question, but that's it.  Did you perchance mean to link to a different question?" CreationDate="2014-11-29T09:15:16.333" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14374" PostId="6746" Score="1" Text="Uh... hm, that is strange.  I was referrring to an exchange of 4 comments I had with the OP below the question, but they're now gone.  Deleted by a moderator?  Oh well. I'll try to find other examples." CreationDate="2014-11-29T09:18:59.287" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="14375" PostId="6746" Score="3" Text="Well, that *is* kind of the mod in question, whoever it was.  Even our progress towards respect-through-kindness is too tetchy to live.  Could I challenge a duty mod to undelete the comments in question, or at least let us know whether it's a community mod or an election fly-by mod who did it?" CreationDate="2014-11-29T09:24:56.577" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14376" PostId="6747" Score="4" Text="There is not enough material in your replies here to figure out where you actually stand on most of the issues. It's not ever clear you understand what same of the questions are about. If you want to inspire confidence in your candidacy I suggest you expand these answers to actually show your grasp of the material and clearly state your position (or at least give us some commentary or reflections on them) so we know what we would be voting for." CreationDate="2014-11-29T14:48:20.893" UserId="40193" />
  <row Id="14378" PostId="6748" Score="4" Text="+1 - People aren't following the traditional sysadmin path. It's not a full-time role in many organizations. It *should* be, as there's a world of best-practices that come with experience in the field. I think in your case, you should try to form good questions. I have no problem helping someone who may not know how it &quot;should be done&quot;. I do have a problem when the effort placed in describing the issue is too low or if it's difficult to obtain the pertinent information from the question asker. Also, going through that effort, I expect a followup: &quot;It works&quot;, &quot;thank you&quot; or accept the answer!" CreationDate="2014-11-30T20:41:14.127" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="14388" PostId="6748" Score="3" Text="For me, when I use &quot;professional&quot; here, it's been more about the standard of the question being asked than the resume or job description of the asker." CreationDate="2014-12-02T10:36:10.940" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="14449" PostId="6751" Score="3" Text="So does that mean this site will be &quot;nicer&quot;? I have 20 years of experience, but turned off by the site." CreationDate="2014-12-03T17:48:30.567" UserId="53779" />
  <row Id="14450" PostId="6751" Score="9" Text="Moderators don't dictate the tone of a site, @TLDR; at best, they can lead by example and rein in abuse. The level of &quot;nice&quot; / helpfulness / *usefulness* is determined by the folks participating here - where y'all go is up to you." CreationDate="2014-12-03T17:51:34.423" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="14401" PostId="6752" Score="3" Text="That is unfortunate..." CreationDate="2014-12-02T21:13:56.740" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="14402" PostId="6752" Score="0" Text="Around the same percentage of eligible voters voted this year compared to last year (they're both around 6%)." CreationDate="2014-12-02T21:16:20.533" UserId="203853" />
  <row Id="14403" PostId="6752" Score="0" Text="@hichris123 That doesn't quite go against my overall point: s/participation/eligibility/ and it remains the same." CreationDate="2014-12-02T21:17:59.913" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14404" PostId="6752" Score="0" Text="Yeah, looks like more people participated (as in, looked at the election page), but around the same percentage voted. Not sure what to think about that. Also less eligible voters visited the site during this election vs the last... also something interesting." CreationDate="2014-12-02T21:20:38.973" UserId="203853" />
  <row Id="14407" PostId="6752" Score="3" Text="No offense to teh N00b, whom I like very much, but I suspect that what many perceived/perceive as an outsider coming in and taking potshots at him and his nomination spiel helped his campaign.  Opposition tends to cement strongly held opinions and positions, rather than changing them.  See Backfire Effect, etc." CreationDate="2014-12-02T22:05:08.117" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14409" PostId="6752" Score="6" Text="@KatherineVillyard Iain's theory, which I am sadly now convinced is correct, is that the overwhelming majority of voters just look at rep, and Sven and I were the candidates with the top rep scores.  Lines up with &gt;800 voters against ServerFault's much, much, much smaller number of active users." CreationDate="2014-12-02T22:10:31.147" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14411" PostId="6752" Score="3" Text="@HopelessN00b The clear solution is to hide rep on the voting page. Our moderators can be chosen by the number of badges they've collected instead." CreationDate="2014-12-02T22:38:49.833" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14412" PostId="6752" Score="1" Text="@AndrewB: Not the badges, please. They are a lousy representation, IMHO. It should be just the nomination with a link to the Questionnaire. But this would likely end up in a) even worse participation and b) a more even distribution of votes because more people would just vote for the three topmost candidates, which are random for every page display." CreationDate="2014-12-02T23:01:21.573" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14413" PostId="6752" Score="0" Text="@Sven It was sarcasm, no worries." CreationDate="2014-12-02T23:17:49.373" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14415" PostId="6752" Score="12" Text="To be blunt, HopelessN00bs history of comments towards users that are rude and/or offensive makes me concerned about the results of this election... But I'm hoping I'm wrong." CreationDate="2014-12-03T01:28:33.477" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="14416" PostId="6752" Score="5" Text="@Kyle The way I look at it, either he does a good job or serves as the incarnation of why the system is broken. A useful role regardless of which side the coin lands on." CreationDate="2014-12-03T01:35:13.560" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14425" PostId="6752" Score="21" Text="@KyleBrandt With respect, I think it's time for the parents to stop arguing in front of the children.  Stop undercutting the new mod." CreationDate="2014-12-03T04:06:00.977" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14426" PostId="6752" Score="4" Text="@KatherineVillyard Kyle hasn't said anything I wouldn't tell anyone myself if asked... or for that matter, anything I didn't already say in my nomination and/or candidate question and answer.  Frankly, I value directness and bluntness... which has a lot to do with those many comment flags I've racked up over the years. :)  (So I appreciate Kyle shooting straight and not dancing around his concerns). Anyway, point being, that I don't see it as arguing or getting undercut. Seriously, my response to my election was the Kent Brockman quote &quot;democracy simply doesn't work.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-12-03T06:35:45.357" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14436" PostId="6752" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b Fair enough, but I think that the time to raise concerns was during the election itself. Democracy may or may not work, but you still won. Some folks have made it plain that they don't like you and/or disliked your spiel; that's fine. IMHO, it's time for Kyle to take his concerns to you directly, mod to mod, seeing as how you're both the adult supervision now. And frankly, it's different coming from you than it is from another mod. From you, it's charming and humble. :) From another mod, not so much." CreationDate="2014-12-03T13:38:44.513" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14445" PostId="6752" Score="5" Text="@KatherineVillyard I think it's important to note that Kyle's diamond (like Shog's) is because he is an employee. He has mod powers, but I can't recall the last time he used them here. I'm not saying that makes anything better or worse - just that it's worth noting." CreationDate="2014-12-03T15:12:49.730" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="14446" PostId="6752" Score="0" Text="@MDMarra I know, but it's fair to point that out." CreationDate="2014-12-03T16:30:32.880" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14405" PostId="6753" Score="6" Text="Your first order of business is to fix the search results for duplicates so that canonical answers appear first.  That's part of a moderators duties, they just didn't tell you before the election." CreationDate="2014-12-02T21:24:56.337" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14406" PostId="6753" Score="4" Text="@TheCleaner I'll ban as many n00bs as it takes to fix that search order.  Better get started." CreationDate="2014-12-02T21:32:20.330" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14408" PostId="6753" Score="0" Text="Congratulations!" CreationDate="2014-12-02T22:06:48.730" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14410" PostId="6753" Score="2" Text="@HopelessN00b: Same to you, and thanks to (nearly) every other candidate and  the leaving mods." CreationDate="2014-12-02T22:32:20.370" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14451" PostId="6753" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner I believe shog9 is already looking at dupes http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6693/can-we-turn-down-the-campaign-heat-please/6700?noredirect=1#comment14379_6700" CreationDate="2014-12-03T20:45:34.377" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14453" PostId="6753" Score="0" Text="@Iain - yeah I know...that's what actually came to mind when I said it...figured since Shog9 needed help Hopeless could branch out into programming." CreationDate="2014-12-03T22:27:26.447" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14414" PostId="6754" Score="10" Text="And credit to you, according to the election results you outlasted two users with more rep than yourself, which certainly shows how much the active/literate community around here respects you.  You were my first choice, for how little that seems to have mattered. :(" CreationDate="2014-12-03T00:17:21.540" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14423" PostId="6754" Score="1" Text="Even mods only get one vote :P" CreationDate="2014-12-03T03:34:47.493" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="14424" PostId="6754" Score="4" Text="@Basil actually everyone gets three votes ;) (just to be pedantic)" CreationDate="2014-12-03T03:46:42.810" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14427" PostId="6754" Score="5" Text="That's the best kind of correct: technically correct." CreationDate="2014-12-03T12:35:07.143" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="14470" PostId="6754" Score="2" Text="I'm a little disappointed we couldn't elect a mod who knows where the up vote button is located. :(" CreationDate="2014-12-04T18:38:47.287" UserId="5391" />
  <row Id="14479" PostId="6754" Score="1" Text="The top 3 sorted by reputation was the most popular combination, but it still only got 33 votes. I mostly ignored reputation when voting, and considered more what I noticed the candidates doing on this site outside of the election area. For what it's worth: My top two votes had less than 20k reputation." CreationDate="2014-12-05T00:43:05.703" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="14417" PostId="6756" Score="4" Text="I think questions should only be moved if they don't fit on the site. This is a concept system administrators should understand (I've interviewed plenty that don't). Furthermore, the question isn't really Unix specific" CreationDate="2014-12-03T01:47:44.160" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="14418" PostId="6756" Score="0" Text="@KyleBrandt, I don't get why this should be &quot;a concept that system administrators understand&quot;. Care to elaborate?" CreationDate="2014-12-03T01:52:24.427" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14419" PostId="6756" Score="1" Text="System administrators manage system resources. CPU is a primary resource and CPU utilization as a percentage is probably the most common way that resource is measured.  Having a good understanding of that measurement seems fundamental to me." CreationDate="2014-12-03T01:57:16.033" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="14420" PostId="6756" Score="4" Text="Ah crap, I interpreted that in terms of moderation - a sysadmin should understand why this question shouldn't be migrated. I guess I am a little bit preoccupied with my new tools..." CreationDate="2014-12-03T02:01:12.267" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14422" PostId="6756" Score="1" Text="Oh sorry with &quot;this&quot; I meant the topic of the question" CreationDate="2014-12-03T02:03:31.680" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="14432" PostId="6759" Score="5" Text="The irony of this meta question also being downvoted doesn't escape me..." CreationDate="2014-12-03T13:27:32.610" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="14439" PostId="6759" Score="10" Text="While noble, courage does not merit an upvote." CreationDate="2014-12-03T14:10:29.963" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="14442" PostId="6759" Score="2" Text="http://www.despair.com/cluelessness.html is the sentiment when  a search engine gives an instant answer with less effort than posting the question on SF." CreationDate="2014-12-03T14:48:56.540" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="14447" PostId="6759" Score="5" Text="`though are decent enough to be asked` - [citation needed]" CreationDate="2014-12-03T17:07:51.607" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="14448" PostId="6759" Score="4" Text="`&quot;or at least the name of a genius could be seen ?&quot;` - any genius?  Because I think it'd be cool if every downvote included a popup that said &quot;TheCleaner thanks you for exercising your vote!&quot;  I think this feature-request should be approved. :)" CreationDate="2014-12-03T17:17:31.530" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14458" PostId="6759" Score="2" Text="If you can easily google the answer, you deserver a downvote. If you clearly have no interest in making it easy for your audience to understand your question (for example this post from DBA http://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/84281/sql-server-records-clean) You deserve a downvote. This isn't a classroom, and if you think posting a question on an anonymous forum requires courage... I beg you to reconsider drookie / Osama." CreationDate="2014-12-04T10:59:26.217" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="14452" PostId="6760" Score="1" Text="It's going to take a while to get used to seeing a ♦ after your name..." CreationDate="2014-12-03T20:53:23.643" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="14441" PostId="6761" Score="5" Text="I'd like to amend that by saying that quite a few of the questions that get voted down, closed or remain unanswered still get  comments, many of them potentially helpful or providing a new insight." CreationDate="2014-12-03T14:45:46.110" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="14457" PostId="6765" Score="0" Text="Don't you think all of this is looking like the stackexchange is pretending to become some sort of wikipedia, instead of just being the help community ?" CreationDate="2014-12-04T09:58:08.973" UserId="165991" />
  <row Id="14461" PostId="6765" Score="2" Text="@drookie In a way, yes. It is indeed *a* goal to help the person asking the question, but more than that, SE's goal is to foster very high-quality questions and high-quality answers that can serve as a reference for future people that run into similar issues and arrive here from various search engines. The downvote mechanism helps clean up poor-quality questions so that they don't water down the high-quality questions with crap." CreationDate="2014-12-04T14:46:31.517" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="14465" PostId="6765" Score="3" Text="@drookie I think this looks like Server Fault wants to be exactly what Stack Exchange sites are *supposed to be*: A repository for *high-quality* questions and thorough well-explained answers. I'm one of the &quot;nice&quot; guys around here, and I'll be blunt: I don't care if I crush someone's precious feelings when I downvote or close a bad question. We have [extensive information](http://serverfault.com/help/how-to-ask) on writing good questions. I don't think it's too much to ask that people help us help them." CreationDate="2014-12-04T16:37:45.903" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="14462" PostId="6767" Score="0" Text="i suggest to even go further and say remove the downvotes from a question/answer if a significant edit which isnt just formatting was made." CreationDate="2014-12-04T16:02:14.293" UserId="157970" />
  <row Id="14463" PostId="6767" Score="3" Text="@DennisNolte As soon as you come up with an algorithm for doing that reliably please let me know..." CreationDate="2014-12-04T16:19:01.967" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="14480" PostId="6767" Score="0" Text="Would you remove the positive votes as well, @DennisNolte  A substantial edit may change the content in a way that previous upvoters may not like.  I have seen edits add significant new information, which now gets the unsought approval of previous voters ;)" CreationDate="2014-12-05T03:24:37.167" UserId="130413" />
  <row Id="14481" PostId="6767" Score="0" Text="while the edits are already in a review queue one could &quot;check&quot; a button for : this edit should have upvotes removed, downvotes removed etc..&#xA;still makes a mess of previous votes.&#xA;&#xA;I think the high rep limit for edit approving is enough for limiting abuse possibilities." CreationDate="2014-12-05T08:25:22.247" UserId="157970" />
  <row Id="14464" PostId="6768" Score="0" Text="I had not seen that post. Probably because theres a difference in wording and implementation. But the thought seems the same." CreationDate="2014-12-04T16:27:31.290" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="14466" PostId="6768" Score="1" Text="@Reaces It's been proposed a few times over the years with various wordings, that's just the first one I found. Clearing downvotes like Dennis suggested has also come up and been shot down (but I think the reasons there were more sound: Computers can't tell if the edit fixes the problems, and clearing votes for *any* edit (even just on a closed question) is rife for abuse." CreationDate="2014-12-04T16:40:44.633" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="14467" PostId="6768" Score="3" Text="Jeff declined everything he didn't get or like, regardless of user votes. I so hoped things would improve after he departed, but others picked up right where he stopped :(" CreationDate="2014-12-04T17:13:43.260" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14468" PostId="6768" Score="3" Text="@Sven Sadly SE is not a democracy, but a benevolent dictatorship ruled by a tightly held governing body. (Given how poorly democratic rule works online - there being only one example I can think of where it worked at all - my &quot;Sadly&quot; *may* be a *bit* sarcastic: There are plenty of BAD ideas that had lots of community support which I'm happy to see declined.)" CreationDate="2014-12-04T17:24:07.597" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="14469" PostId="6768" Score="0" Text="My point was simply that I did try to look around before posting all-be-it poorly (apparently) how would you suggest I proceed? Delete the post? Add a link to the previous proposal? Nothing?" CreationDate="2014-12-04T17:27:38.217" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="14471" PostId="6768" Score="3" Text="I'd leave it as is. Its pretty hard to know everything that's happened everywhere." CreationDate="2014-12-04T19:49:49.957" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="14472" PostId="6768" Score="0" Text="@Reaces Yeah I'd leave it. The problem with having meta.SE and meta.EverythingElse is it's often hard to find the previous iterations of requests (I'm usually awful at it, but this came up in a separate conversation a while back so I happened to remember there was a MetaMeta post about it)" CreationDate="2014-12-04T22:44:02.223" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="14473" PostId="6770" Score="3" Text="It looks like you were also trying to remove the word &quot;home&quot; from the *not about* section (also, &quot;SU&quot; wasn't mentioned, but was linked there). I'm not sure I agree with that, but I certainly don't care for the way the new version is worded (more words, lost the developer section, less concise). Similarly you &quot;simplified&quot; other *not about* parts and lost meaning. We could do with condensing some of that, but I'm not crazy about how much you're hacking out after offering &quot;removal of subjective language&quot; as the reasoning (ie, you're changing a lot, not just making it less subjective)." CreationDate="2014-12-05T00:06:44.997" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14474" PostId="6770" Score="3" Text="@ChrisS I think &quot;consumer&quot; targets for &quot;home&quot; pretty well, and might even be closer aligned with what we want.. someone's linksys at a small business might be better off at SU anyway (and someone's enterprise gear in their basement might be a better question than much of the professional stuff we see).  Not sure you mean on the &quot;new section&quot; - do you mean the &quot;not about&quot; section?  The one above is a bit shorter than what we have currently." CreationDate="2014-12-05T00:14:03.003" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14475" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="Meant &quot;new version&quot;. Fixed." CreationDate="2014-12-05T00:31:12.260" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14476" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="Ahh, gotcha.  I think it's shorter overall, but I'm definitely in support of trimming it further - the more direct it is, the better the chance that a drive-by user might read and understand it.  But yes, I should clarify, I was going for both the language changes and trying to make it a simpler/clearer read.  This comes at a cost of losing a bit of the granularity, granted, but that's stuff that we can cover elsewhere to keep it simple in the thing we want everyone to really read.  Definitely open to suggestions and critique on those points, though!" CreationDate="2014-12-05T00:36:09.357" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14477" PostId="6770" Score="2" Text="&quot;working with services hosting or enabling your information technology&quot; is going to be the most difficult part; it doesn't really exclude end users of, e.g. shared web hosting or similar services. Aside from this, I like it." CreationDate="2014-12-05T00:38:25.580" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="14478" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Yeah, I really want better wording for that bit.. I'll give it some more thought, I bet we can figure something better out." CreationDate="2014-12-05T00:40:20.970" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14497" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="I think we might want to include some kind of &quot;Hey don't forget to ask your vendor first!&quot; tip in here - particularly around the Stuff-as-a-Service bits. That might head off the &quot;Help me set up my GoDaddy Shared Hosting!&quot; crowd. (Coming up with good wording for that is left as an exercise for the raving lunatic who decided to touch the help center again. If you're not a raving lunatic yet you will be by the time you're done! :-)" CreationDate="2014-12-05T17:45:46.627" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="14510" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Hey, I put notes on that one that I wanted it rephrased for a reason.  Crowdsourcing! ;)" CreationDate="2014-12-05T21:26:59.890" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14515" PostId="6770" Score="3" Text="To be honest, the way the voting is going I think this is a lost cause, the community is certainly not behind it.  Perhaps you need to state succinctly what what you believe the problem is and how this (or any change) will solve it. How will this improve quality ?" CreationDate="2014-12-05T21:57:02.880" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14518" PostId="6770" Score="1" Text="@Iain That's been discussed at great length already, see the paragraph that starts with `This isn’t going to directly address the volume of` http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6701" CreationDate="2014-12-05T22:06:07.947" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14519" PostId="6770" Score="3" Text="Well you should consider this proposal lost then. You don't have significant community support for it which is historically a requirement for change like this. Back to the drawing board or just impose it. The people who need to read it won't it'll be just more wasted effort." CreationDate="2014-12-05T22:11:56.840" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14521" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="An interesting bump in support - have you recruited the folks in the office now tsk tsk ?" CreationDate="2014-12-05T22:20:52.113" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14522" PostId="6770" Score="1" Text="@Iain Just because you and some other extremely vocal members of the community don't support it doesn't mean that the entire community doesn't support it.  Seriously, if you are as fed up with this community as you seem to be, please take a break." CreationDate="2014-12-05T22:24:03.653" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14526" PostId="6770" Score="2" Text="The only way to gauge community support is voting. Until I pointed out you where not gaining community support the voting here was +9/-8 which is not great. Within moments of me making that comment the +jumped somewhat. It's kind of obvious what you did tsk tsk. The community gets what it votes for !" CreationDate="2014-12-05T22:33:09.987" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14528" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="@Iain You really need to know what happened?  Okay, then: I linked [this comment](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6770/proposed-change-to-server-fault-guidelines#comment14515_6770) to the community team's chat room, which presumably prompted 2 or 3 of them to vote.  But I'm pretty sure I don't have enough staff to pump 59 upvotes onto http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6701 - so, again, I think you're projecting your opinion onto the community at large - 7 or 8 downvotes is ***not*** the entire community." CreationDate="2014-12-05T22:40:51.317" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14529" PostId="6770" Score="3" Text="That discussion is separate to this. This is a proposal that for better or worse is not garnering community support" CreationDate="2014-12-05T22:46:08.500" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14534" PostId="6770" Score="2" Text="The off-topic reason proposed in Rev 4 introduces a new requirement — one that could prevent professional IT workers from asking legitimate questions. Unsupported equipment and software is now off-topic?! In real life, sysadmins _do_ have to seek advice on legacy crap, due to budget or business reasons. Besides, if everyone had platinum support contracts, the question wouldn't have needed to be asked on Server Fault in the first place." CreationDate="2014-12-06T01:49:40.500" UserId="15051" />
  <row Id="14537" PostId="6770" Score="1" Text="@200_success The idea of that is to get a way to close questions that are variants on &quot;I dropped my database and have no backups, halp&quot; or &quot;I'm using a six year old version of Ubuntu due to neglect and something's broken&quot;, and to *not use it* to close good, legitimate questions about environments using ancient hardware and software.  See the discussion between me and two of our mods [here](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/18923701#18923701) for context - I'd like to get some better wording on it if you have any ideas!" CreationDate="2014-12-06T20:21:21.487" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14564" PostId="6770" Score="1" Text="I didn't read all the answers or comments...but why not do something like **Server Fault is for questions about managing IT systems in a business environment.** - it's simple and takes out extraneous wording.  We know it's a site.  We know there will be answers with the questions.  We know IT is short for information technology.  And adding &quot;in a business environment&quot; automatically excludes consumer/home and sets the appropriate scope IMO.  Thoughts?" CreationDate="2014-12-09T19:33:11.863" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14566" PostId="6770" Score="1" Text="@TheCleaner I love it.  Though I think I want to leave &quot;IT&quot; expanded, as the acronym doesn't buy us many pixels and might remove some clarity for non-native English speakers." CreationDate="2014-12-09T20:02:09.797" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14575" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="I like it, but having seen no less than 6 webpanel questions in the last 3 hours, think that we ought to address that as well.  Something like `and is not about: your crappy webpanel you use instead of learning your operating system`, but possibly nicer and less blunt." CreationDate="2014-12-10T00:09:11.393" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14579" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b I'm thinking we're getting close to too many points in the &quot;not about&quot; section, but I agree that this is probably where we want that documented instead of in some separate meta question.  `working with a service provider's management panel, such as cPanel` sound like a good bullet for the not about section? Possibly with a parenthesized &quot;go to webmasters&quot; like it has for SU?" CreationDate="2014-12-10T00:31:37.240" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14580" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden works for me." CreationDate="2014-12-10T00:38:22.547" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14582" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="Why prohibit questions about how to use a service provider's user interface, but allow questions about how to use a software product's user interface (especially if it's a proprietary software product)? It seems like such a fine and arbitrary distinction." CreationDate="2014-12-10T08:33:30.997" UserId="15051" />
  <row Id="14597" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="@200_success By that reasoning, we ban most questions about Microsoft products.  I don't think that's a terribly productive direction to go in." CreationDate="2014-12-10T17:42:55.460" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14603" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="I love the direction this change goes in.  It seems to certainly keep in the spirit of Stackoverflow where any question is welcome as long as it's relevant to programming." CreationDate="2014-12-10T21:34:58.797" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="15664" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden in the same vein as your Microsoft reply to 200_success, I wonder about the word &quot;business&quot;. It fits as &quot;a person's regular occupation, profession, or trade&quot; but in context implies &quot;the practice of making one's living by engaging in commerce&quot;, and that seems like less of a fit. Alternatives: &quot;professional&quot;, &quot;enterprise&quot;, &quot;large&quot;, &quot;business-scale&quot; ...thinking here about gov't, large non-profit, etc." CreationDate="2014-12-17T18:24:25.560" UserId="143197" />
  <row Id="15667" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="...i guess the trick would be excluding enough of the 'etc' ...but i'm guessing the community does not want to exclude the autistic-yet-on-the-ball sysadmin whose employer just happens to be non-commercial? present company excluded, of course ;)" CreationDate="2014-12-17T23:21:02.277" UserId="143197" />
  <row Id="14489" PostId="6771" Score="2" Text="The point of excluding `development environments` from our scope was to exclude &quot;This WAMP stack on my workstation is broken. FIX IT FOR ME!&quot; questions from *developers*, which are almost universally terrible questions. &quot;We implemented X in our dev environment, it broke Y, any ideas on how to fix it so we can put it in production?&quot; questions from sysadmin/DevOps types who know and understand the systems they're asking about have always been in-scope. If you can think of a way to better explain the goal here I have no objection to changing it." CreationDate="2014-12-05T16:56:31.190" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="14490" PostId="6771" Score="0" Text="Similarly &quot;We're trying to create a good development environment using containers, we need X, Y, and Z, and we've tried A &amp; B but can't quite get it doing what we want. Any ideas?&quot; questions, again from *sysadmin/DevOps* folks, would in my view be on-topic since it's part of building and managing an infrastructure in a *professional capacity*." CreationDate="2014-12-05T16:58:11.897" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="14493" PostId="6771" Score="1" Text="I struggled a bit to come with something suitable and failed, hence starting my answer with that question. I agree that questions and answers surrounding the operational aspects of managing the Dev support infrastructure in DevOps are and should remain on-topic, but the how to phrase that?" CreationDate="2014-12-05T17:15:13.420" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="14530" PostId="6771" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I want to find better wording for the sections you're talking about.  Will give it some more thought!" CreationDate="2014-12-05T23:01:50.373" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14482" PostId="6772" Score="6" Text="I wish I could upvote this more. Without some way of weeding out less interesting posts playing the SF game just becomes tedious and janitorial for everyone concerned." CreationDate="2014-12-05T12:08:40.720" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14483" PostId="6772" Score="3" Text="Well, the sliver lining would be that the window-lickers who ask crappy questions because they don't bother to read anything about Server Fault won't read this either, so... I don't see much coming of this either way." CreationDate="2014-12-05T13:34:44.220" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14484" PostId="6772" Score="5" Text="Really?  Look at how quickly, and with how little discussion, the &quot;*minimal understanding*&quot; close reason disappeared." CreationDate="2014-12-05T13:51:39.613" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14491" PostId="6772" Score="0" Text="I've added a link above to [&quot;What is a Professional Capacity?&quot;](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4111). Other posts on this subject worth reading include [&quot;Why 'professional capacity'?&quot;](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5475/) and [this older one from 2011](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1760/)." CreationDate="2014-12-05T17:02:11.407" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="14504" PostId="6772" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter I think I've used it more often as a custom reason since it went away than I did for the whole last month when it was in the drop-down." CreationDate="2014-12-05T20:34:53.220" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14505" PostId="6772" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Fair enough!  Oh, and thanks, voretaq7." CreationDate="2014-12-05T20:44:08.980" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14513" PostId="6772" Score="1" Text="@MadHatter I think we're talking past each other a little bit - I want to make sure that the questions that we get are good questions for problems that sysadmins have - but instead of targeting &quot;should this *person* be on this site&quot;, a much better approach is to look at the quality and topicality of the question.  Nowhere am I saying that we should lower our quality bar, which seems to be what you think I'm trying to do." CreationDate="2014-12-05T21:50:55.907" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14514" PostId="6772" Score="4" Text="@ShaneMadden I accept that you don't want to lower the bar.  But I think there's an important requirement for questions here - that they should be professional - which is sometimes misunderstood as applying to questioners; I wouldn't mind seeing the requirement clarified, but you are, without question, trying to remove it.  In replacing it with as wishy-washy a requirement as &quot;*managing information technology systems*&quot;, though you may not intend to lower the bar, it is my belief that you absolutely will." CreationDate="2014-12-05T21:55:55.657" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="14516" PostId="6772" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter I'm absolutely open to better wording than what's in the post.  I think the *bad* questions that we get come from people who aren't reading this stuff anyway, and I think we'll have no problem whatsoever determining what the bad questions are and closing them.  If someone's asking a bad question that would be on-topic if asked in a better way, we should be sending them the signal that they need to improve their question, not to leave forever because they aren't professional enough for us.  I'm really not seeing how that one change will lower the quality bar." CreationDate="2014-12-05T22:03:04.867" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14517" PostId="6772" Score="0" Text="I agree @MadHatter I can't see how this will improve quality at all. I think it might help if people stopped conflating scope and audience. Once you separate the two things (at least to me) become clearer." CreationDate="2014-12-05T22:03:55.733" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14525" PostId="6772" Score="7" Text="@ShaneMadden, I fear your last statement is unhelpfully bland.  *Everyone* I know on SF thinks that bad questions should be closed, poor-but-fixable ones fixed, and good ones answered; that isn't what divides us.  What divides us is **which** questions are bad, which are poor, and which are good.  I'm off to bed, but if I have time over the next couple of days I'll try to put together an alternative formulation of words.  But I must make it clear that it will be an attempt to clarify that the professionalism requirement applies to questions not people, and not an attempt to abolish it." CreationDate="2014-12-05T22:26:04.277" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="15663" PostId="6772" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden : As I said. This is an example about the fact that removing the professional requirement will just make professionals leave the site. Can you put a tag:feature-request so peoples would votes more. Currently this seems to looks like a change Stack Exchange impose to the community." CreationDate="2014-12-15T23:36:13.343" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="14565" PostId="6775" Score="0" Text="Also, the Winter Bash hats will be back soon for your double-hat needs." CreationDate="2014-12-09T19:45:09.337" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14600" PostId="6775" Score="0" Text="So, how do I put my hat on?" CreationDate="2014-12-10T18:19:13.310" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="14498" PostId="6776" Score="4" Text="May we have a link to the question? (Most people on Meta are either mods or have 10,000+ rep, so even if it's been deleted we'd be able to see it.)  I could go through your profile and look for it, but I'm lazy and you should make it easier for me :-)" CreationDate="2014-12-05T17:47:47.903" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="14499" PostId="6776" Score="0" Text="I completely understand. Question link added." CreationDate="2014-12-05T18:03:01.897" UserId="220834" />
  <row Id="14503" PostId="6776" Score="0" Text="I endorse Ward's answer... self answer with the fact that you gave up and reimaged the thing in the end. I know I've done that myself with at least one question, so you'd be in good company." CreationDate="2014-12-05T20:06:38.523" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14486" PostId="6777" Score="0" Text="What would be cited as the reason for closure? What action should the author of the question take to get to that state?" CreationDate="2014-12-05T16:44:31.737" UserId="15051" />
  <row Id="14492" PostId="6777" Score="0" Text="@200_success Not sure what you're looking for here... isn't &quot;question is unanswerable&quot; a good reason to stop accepting more answers to a question?  I'm pretty sure there's a more ... directly on point meta thread about this that I can't locate, but [here's an older one which suggests deletion or locking](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/3201/118258).  Of course, if the question and answers still provide value, despite being unresolvable, closure is the better option in my opinion." CreationDate="2014-12-05T17:10:44.293" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14494" PostId="6777" Score="6" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6595/handle-the-question-where-op-decided-to-reinstall-the-system-and-begin-from-scra is also relevant here" CreationDate="2014-12-05T17:25:01.927" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14500" PostId="6777" Score="2" Text="I've filed a [feature request](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/244727/148099) to [meta.se]." CreationDate="2014-12-05T19:57:22.187" UserId="15051" />
  <row Id="14501" PostId="6777" Score="1" Text="@200_success 4 minutes and 2 downvotes.  That's mSE for you.  Don't take it too hard, though. I hear that some among us say that mSE is where good ideas go to die, so you're in good company, at least." CreationDate="2014-12-05T20:01:51.380" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14502" PostId="6777" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Downvotes are fine. That's why I took care to separate the question (which raises awareness of the issue) from the proposal (which is just one idea for handling it). Hopefully someone will come up with a better proposal." CreationDate="2014-12-05T20:03:35.120" UserId="15051" />
  <row Id="14506" PostId="6777" Score="0" Text="I've already added a flag asking for the question to be closed, cause I felt the same way about the uselessness of an &quot;answer: wiped&quot; for pretty much the reason in the link @Iain commented." CreationDate="2014-12-05T20:56:11.237" UserId="220834" />
  <row Id="14512" PostId="6777" Score="0" Text="@austinian Done.  Next time, you should probably flag for mod attention.  Flagging for close just puts it in the close vote queue." CreationDate="2014-12-05T21:48:07.460" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14523" PostId="6777" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b That's the third option, the one where you leave an explanation, right? I think that's the one I chose." CreationDate="2014-12-05T22:24:16.597" UserId="220834" />
  <row Id="14533" PostId="6777" Score="0" Text="@austinian For me it's 5th: `other (needs ♦ moderator attention) This question needs a moderator's attention. Please describe exactly what's wrong. `" CreationDate="2014-12-05T23:46:16.683" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14511" PostId="6778" Score="1" Text="The primary thing I'm trying to accomplish is to move the focus from the person asking the question to the question itself - &quot;professional&quot; invites us to look at the person, when we should be looking at the question.  If an amateur asks a great question about how to set something up for a mailing list, then yes, I'm saying it should be in scope - because a well-asked question helps both professionals and non-professionals with the same problem." CreationDate="2014-12-05T21:37:24.517" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14524" PostId="6778" Score="5" Text="@ShaneMadden I think this change addresses the wrong problem. Can you cite examples of _ad hominem_ discrimination? It's not like we verify your employment status. If you ask a question that is of professional quality, then Server Fault treats you as a professional. Change that wording/requirement, and Server Fault loses its elevator pitch." CreationDate="2014-12-05T22:24:26.610" UserId="15051" />
  <row Id="14495" PostId="6779" Score="0" Text="I got part way through the second paragraph and would like to suggest you (like everyone else) stop conflating scope and audience. Scope is IT in a professional environment. Audience is the people 'managing' that scope. Other than that I'm with you." CreationDate="2014-12-05T17:29:49.087" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14496" PostId="6779" Score="0" Text="@Iain Quite correct, and fixed(ish) - It's tough because &quot;professional&quot; is both a scope-limiter (we don't want the FixItFry questions that should be asked *to the local sysadmin*) and our audience (the sysadmin who just got asked a FixItFry question)" CreationDate="2014-12-05T17:42:16.627" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="14531" PostId="6779" Score="0" Text="On &quot;professional&quot; - I want to find good wording that asks for the right kind of questions, while taking away the focus on the user.. what's there might not do that well, though.  On &quot;_aaS&quot;, that section definitely needs better wording.  I'll work &quot;legal advice&quot; back in, though I feel like circumvention is covered decently by &quot;unauthorized use/misuse&quot; - is that missing something important, do you think?" CreationDate="2014-12-05T23:08:58.077" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14507" PostId="6780" Score="1" Text="Sorry but ' I reinstalled the system' isn't really an acceptable sysadmin answer - home user perhaps" CreationDate="2014-12-05T21:00:47.913" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14508" PostId="6780" Score="2" Text="@Iain Well, sometimes it *is* the answer. I can't even remember how many times I've had to tell the helldesk guys &quot;if you can't fix it in an hour, reimage,&quot; so it is an acceptable sysadmin answer/last resort in cases where the troubleshooting and/or fix is just not worth the effort." CreationDate="2014-12-05T21:03:41.773" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14509" PostId="6780" Score="6" Text="No - it's what happened, it's not an answer to the question." CreationDate="2014-12-05T21:04:30.563" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="14549" PostId="6780" Score="6" Text="Sometimes the professional thing to do *is* to reformat and reinstall. If there are external factors; deadlines, budget concerns, availability issues... A good engineer knows when to cut their losses and stop the troubleshooting process. The customer often times doesn't care how you arrive at a solution, but rather that it is delivered on-time and on-budget." CreationDate="2014-12-07T18:06:41.467" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="14532" PostId="6782" Score="0" Text="I like that much better, edited." CreationDate="2014-12-05T23:17:45.813" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14544" PostId="6783" Score="14" Text="You're going about this wrong. You have a valid question with a good answer, however you're including your personal credentials as part of a logical argument. Nobody cares who you are, just what you do." CreationDate="2014-12-07T03:38:59.600" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="14545" PostId="6783" Score="5" Text="Related: [What is (or what should be) the etiquette for editing old questions or posts?](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/3572/218590)" CreationDate="2014-12-07T03:43:03.857" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="14547" PostId="6783" Score="0" Text="@Basil I wish you were wrong, but my credibility is in part derived from my ethos, the reputation I have earned in the SE network, and who I am was being attacked by a comment here (mysteriously deleted) and specifically in HBruijn's answer. People are not so objective as to only weight logos, they consider ethos and pathos as well. I've attempted to deliver on all three. If I lack, let me know. I appreciate your input." CreationDate="2014-12-07T04:04:54.637" UserId="204856" />
  <row Id="14548" PostId="6783" Score="11" Text="@AaronHall Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but 10k at Stack Overflow isn't that hard to achieve, as it's the most trafficked site by an order of magnitude, and a few sites with 1k+ is no big deal either. Not that it matters a whole lot, because even if the sites are all on the same network, they're all fairly different communities. Your 10k on SO doesn't mean a whole lot here, and it didn't help you much, given the minor faux pas you ended up pulling with the rapid-rate minor edits. It's not personal, though. All my rep here means basically nothing at SO nor do I know much about it." CreationDate="2014-12-07T05:59:54.287" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14539" PostId="6785" Score="1" Text="The front-page problem is a big one, I agree. When I was doing big edits, such as those needed for re-tagging things, I kept it to two at a time and waited until a few organic questions arrived before doing any more. It was really slow work, but needed in order to keep visibility for the new stuff that actually needs visibility." CreationDate="2014-12-07T00:10:41.730" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="14546" PostId="6785" Score="3" Text="Yeah, I bitterly missed &quot;too minor&quot; and put it in as a custom comment a couple of times, but there were SO MANY OMG." CreationDate="2014-12-07T03:44:43.130" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="21033" PostId="6785" Score="0" Text="&quot;I reject edits on questions that are old and that don't correct important factual errors.&quot; This is, as far as I know, contrary to policy." CreationDate="2016-07-11T15:06:06.207" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="21034" PostId="6785" Score="0" Text="@TRiG: The community builds the policy for this. We don't like effectively useless edits to clutter the homepage, ergo it's our policy to rejects those." CreationDate="2016-07-11T15:25:02.897" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="14550" PostId="6791" Score="2" Text="So... you'd feel better if the front page had lots of upvoted, or 0-score crap?  But also, you like the quality standards?  I'm not sure what to make of that apparent cognitive dissonance there." CreationDate="2014-12-08T19:05:45.200" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14551" PostId="6791" Score="0" Text="Thanks for asking. I'd rather people leave a note about why they downvoted. Without helping people understand why their question is poor, the person that asked is unlikely to create a better question next time. It's more likely they'll never ask a question here again." CreationDate="2014-12-08T19:09:15.273" UserId="54638" />
  <row Id="14552" PostId="6791" Score="4" Text="Well, the downvote-without-comment thing isn't a &quot;problem&quot; that can really be solved (not without discouraging downvoting to the point that no one does it), and one that exists on all the SE sites. The tooltip when you hover on the down arrow tells you what a downvote is intended to mean, and in most cases, that's plenty. Trust me, telling people why their question is a steaming turd just makes them defensive and offended and flame-y anyway; it doesn't do what you seem to think it would. And frankly, I don't want people who ask crap questions returning to ask another one anyway, so... bonus." CreationDate="2014-12-08T19:13:34.863" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14553" PostId="6791" Score="0" Text="@JMC That sentiment gets repeated on meta here often, and the answers tend to be the same. There are a number of regulars who consider themselves to be in the &quot;nicer&quot; camp who simply can't keep up with the rate SF gets bad questions, and the reward for any actual effort is usually being slapped with a trout. Someone who *demonstrates effort and intelligence* to solve their own problem will usually get useful feedback in the comments, even if they are misguided in some way. Not so coincidentally, those are not the questions that draw the most downvotes." CreationDate="2014-12-08T22:14:27.950" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14554" PostId="6791" Score="2" Text="@JMC I would suggest that a downvote without a comment is the equivalent of downvoting then typing in the text from the tooltip that appears when you hover above the downvote arrow as your comment. You're not wrong about it leaving a negative impression on people, but I would suggest that *not* dealing with bad questions would leave a worse impression." CreationDate="2014-12-09T10:41:21.170" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="14555" PostId="6792" Score="0" Text="Update the old-style Windows BSOD to a newer ESXi-style PSOD?" CreationDate="2014-12-09T14:21:12.000" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14556" PostId="6792" Score="1" Text="Shouldn't the BSOD represent the underlying architecture?" CreationDate="2014-12-09T14:25:18.490" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="14557" PostId="6792" Score="6" Text="@HopelessN00b - We all know Steve, Kyle, Shane, and Greg host these sites on a Windows 2012 VM running on Parallels on Kyle's Macbook Air." CreationDate="2014-12-09T14:26:30.497" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14558" PostId="6792" Score="2" Text="@ScottPack SE runs a Windows stack, so it does.  Even so, seems like the error details ought to be updated to reflect a site down, rather than just being a generic screenie of a BSOD slapped up there." CreationDate="2014-12-09T14:30:37.113" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14559" PostId="6792" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b - the screen this morning had a statement at the beginning about &quot;offline for maintenance...back up within an hour&quot; or something like that...followed by the generic/canned Windows BSOD and a Linux error screen.  I'm just bored enough to throw a 5 minute GIMP pic together of the Windows one after seeing the date/time stamps." CreationDate="2014-12-09T14:33:06.810" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14560" PostId="6792" Score="0" Text="@ScottPack Not only do they run Windows stack, they run bleeding edge Windows/SQL. (I follow [Brent Ozar's blog](http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2012/09/microsoft-sql-server-alwayson-ags-at-stackoverflow/).)  So the Old Skool graphic doesn't fit, IMHO." CreationDate="2014-12-09T16:24:24.707" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14567" PostId="6792" Score="2" Text="@KatherineVillyard If we want to get technical about it, the HAProxy box is the one serving the `50x` error pages, so it'd be the one we'd need platform accuracy for.  But the images on the error pages are a lot more about fun than accuracy ;)" CreationDate="2014-12-09T20:11:31.897" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="14568" PostId="6792" Score="1" Text="@ShaneMadden Hee!!!" CreationDate="2014-12-09T20:13:14.867" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14561" PostId="6795" Score="0" Text="It's Windows 2012...not 8... ;) ;)" CreationDate="2014-12-09T16:50:05.707" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14562" PostId="6795" Score="1" Text="Hee!!!  Yes, but I've seen it more on 8.  ;) Edited!" CreationDate="2014-12-09T16:51:15.133" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14563" PostId="6796" Score="1" Text="Hah...I like it!" CreationDate="2014-12-09T17:29:26.710" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="14569" PostId="6797" Score="2" Text="Guru Meditation Mode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" CreationDate="2014-12-09T20:36:55.560" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="14570" PostId="6797" Score="4" Text="Oh, baby... give me some VMS OPCOM messages!  http://i.ytimg.com/vi/O1577ss-3qM/maxresdefault.jpg" CreationDate="2014-12-09T20:41:02.400" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="14571" PostId="6797" Score="0" Text="VMS!  That brings back memories..." CreationDate="2014-12-09T20:41:55.707" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14583" PostId="6797" Score="0" Text="The error screen should be determined or influenced by browser sniffing." CreationDate="2014-12-10T08:40:25.130" UserId="15051" />
  <row Id="14584" PostId="6797" Score="5" Text="XScreensaver used to have a module with a nice collection of panic screens. Use all of them :)" CreationDate="2014-12-10T12:50:47.510" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="15611" PostId="6797" Score="0" Text="or a javascript pacman game to play while you wait for the site to reload ?" CreationDate="2014-12-11T08:29:44.530" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="14586" PostId="6798" Score="1" Text="I see. So this is the *reason* why [suddenly you have many edit history recently](http://serverfault.com/users?tab=Editors&amp;filter=week)? Because it's Cool :D" CreationDate="2014-12-10T14:22:23.650" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="14587" PostId="6798" Score="0" Text="Hahaha, yes.  :D" CreationDate="2014-12-10T14:25:14.420" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14593" PostId="6798" Score="1" Text="@masegaloeh Do you realize how incredibly nerdy that sounds?  Oh well, guess I'm not one to talk... anyhow, on the topic of the cool kids and their badges, there's many a stackapps app for tracking badges, or a specific badge.  My personal favorite is [Stinking Badges](http://stackapps.com/questions/2982/stinkingbadges-track-your-progress-towards-long-term-badges), and it's invaluable for the cool, badge-collecting nerd." CreationDate="2014-12-10T15:06:39.247" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14591" PostId="6799" Score="2" Text="As for the reasoning behind closing licence questions, I happen to know that even within a narrow sphere (product licences for education) both Microsoft and some other major players have slightly different licence terms depending on what area of the world you're in, what type of education establishment you are and which one of the schemes on offer you have opted to join.&#xA;&#xA;In other words, I can go and talk to 2 other people who work for educational establishments in the same city as me and we can all have different deals for how our licensing works..." CreationDate="2014-12-10T14:35:51.343" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="14592" PostId="6799" Score="2" Text="... The fact is that SF and most of the SE family tries to deal with hard facts that are useful to the majority of the audience. Given what I'm saying about the variability of licence terms even in one small locale, I don't think licences are a viable subject matter. With the risk of advice being wrong (and regardless of 'consequences', a site that shares advice that it knows may well be wrong is limiting how useful it is) and the wide range of possible answers based on a number of variables that the average asker won't even know about, I don't see the point personally." CreationDate="2014-12-10T14:38:52.697" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="14598" PostId="6799" Score="0" Text="@RoBM true, but that's just (important) detail. The number of variables related to a licensing question is far smaller than all but the most basic questions here on SF in my experience. I've an unresolved technical question myself here on SF, that's also been through several iterations of support cases with Microsoft for over 18 months that never got resolved. Conversely, I've never had a licensing query that wasn't answered with no more than a short two or three paragraph email asking for help." CreationDate="2014-12-10T18:16:08.080" UserId="11604" />
  <row Id="14601" PostId="6799" Score="0" Text="Yes but the few paragraphs of help need to be directed to the right people. And incidentally, the penalties for getting licence costs wrong can be quite severe. If you're on the wrong scheme you might be overpaying by a large amount. If you allow some licences to lapse there might be a greater cost to pick them up after a gap then there would have been to renew in a timely manner. (my employer is on several schemes that exhibit at least one of those characteristics). I think allowing potentially bad advice here would be a terrible idea." CreationDate="2014-12-10T18:33:20.503" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="14588" PostId="6800" Score="0" Text="Aha!  Yes, you're right, of course about the six answers (instead of 20, haha, yeah, that's a little different).  And I always &quot;misplace&quot; that status bar and have to poke around for it.  It says I'm at 76.  Thanks, Michael!" CreationDate="2014-12-10T14:31:05.290" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14590" PostId="6800" Score="0" Text="Also:  I frequently edit something (mine or someone else's) and spot a typo immediately after hitting save.  So it's fair to only count those re-edits as one, I totally agree." CreationDate="2014-12-10T14:33:54.423" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14594" PostId="6800" Score="2" Text="Note: the Strunk &amp; White and Copy Editor badges get calculated once a day (last I looked this was still the case), so you will not get them immediately after an edit." CreationDate="2014-12-10T15:15:53.757" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="14595" PostId="6800" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @ChrisS!  I'd noticed that some badges didn't pop up immediately.  It's good to know this is one of them." CreationDate="2014-12-10T16:06:38.307" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14596" PostId="6800" Score="0" Text="YAY!  http://serverfault.com/help/badges/12/strunk-white?userid=174813" CreationDate="2014-12-10T17:28:06.933" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14589" PostId="6801" Score="0" Text="Thanks, masegaloeh!  I always &quot;misplace&quot; that status bar and have to poke around for it.  (I know it's in review, but...)" CreationDate="2014-12-10T14:32:06.393" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="14599" PostId="6801" Score="2" Text="It's a strange place for it IMO." CreationDate="2014-12-10T18:18:24.893" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="14604" PostId="6801" Score="0" Text="@AndrewSchulman I totally agree;  they're not really items related to the review queue.  The place where I got the &gt; 80 number was the user list, and as Michael Hampton pointed out above, that doesn't really fully address the progress towards the badge." CreationDate="2014-12-10T22:39:58.717" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="15612" PostId="6802" Score="0" Text="You mean by editing my user picture in an image editor and uploading the new image?  Sure, I could do that any time.  But a year or two ago there was a checkbox somewhere that automatically gave me a hat, without making me edit my user picture.  Is that gone?" CreationDate="2014-12-11T15:29:56.560" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="15613" PostId="6802" Score="2" Text="You're thinking of the Winter Bash promotion that SE has done for the past couple of years:  http://stackexchange.com/promos/14/winter-bash-2013  It sounds like that will happen again, but altering our Gravatars for Christmas is something we on SF started doing the year before Winter Bash: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2394/its-santa-time" CreationDate="2014-12-11T15:37:08.653" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="15671" PostId="6802" Score="0" Text="And here I am still attached to my BOFH gravatar." CreationDate="2014-12-18T16:13:50.083" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="14607" PostId="6803" Score="2" Text="Upvoted for evil genius-ness." CreationDate="2014-12-11T02:25:29.230" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14609" PostId="6804" Score="5" Text="To be honest the question is borderline off-topic for Server Fault. It shouldn't have been closed though, maybe migrated to Super User. The details of the HTTP and DNS protocols are certainly on-topic here, but I think I would expect someone being paid to manage these systems to know basic details, like that they don't directly interact with each other. Regardless of topicality it is a well written question, so it definitely belongs somewhere, not just closed." CreationDate="2014-12-11T04:30:23.457" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="15609" PostId="6804" Score="3" Text="No need to edit [resolved] into your title on SE sites. There are visual indicators for questions that have accepted answers, and we prefer those to forum netiquette. :)" CreationDate="2014-12-11T06:43:31.573" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="14605" PostId="6805" Score="0" Text="Thanks for answering my question. It is really unfair for a new user like me to the site who has a perfectly valid question (fitting the site rules as I have pointed out). The other question that I have linked to, doesn't even have an accepted answer but is still left open. If the other question is gonna be left open, I don't see any reason why my question should be closed." CreationDate="2014-12-11T02:16:50.103" UserId="252988" />
  <row Id="14606" PostId="6805" Score="3" Text="@Ramesh *&lt;shrug&gt;*  That's democracy for you.  Having said that, whether it got closed or not, it got upvoted and got a bunch of good answers, so... Does it really matter that it's closed now?  [I've had a question closed too](http://serverfault.com/q/410270/118258), and I can't say I actually care even a little.  I got my answer and some fake internet points, so... so what if it's closed now?" CreationDate="2014-12-11T02:22:17.280" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="14608" PostId="6805" Score="0" Text="ha ha. I accept your point. But I feel discouraged as a relatively new user to this site. I happened to read a bunch of really interesting canonical questions from the list [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1986/what-are-the-canonical-answers-weve-discovered-over-the-years). So I took every caution to make my question really valid. But if the other question is still gonna be left open, I feel really frustrated to just have my question closed." CreationDate="2014-12-11T02:28:27.967" UserId="252988" />
  <row Id="15610" PostId="6806" Score="2" Text="And note that to disambiguate those two directions, we have to be able to read the OP's mind.  If a question is written so it can be taken multiple ways, only the author can say which he or she originally intended." CreationDate="2014-12-11T08:00:26.010" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="15614" PostId="6809" Score="0" Text="That's fair. There's numerous other questions of higher quality that apply. The example I provided was most convenient for me but unfortunately not the best example. I can see a single well-asked question on that topic being valuable and serving as the &quot;sole source,&quot; as is done with many other questions." CreationDate="2014-12-11T18:27:17.973" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="15615" PostId="6809" Score="0" Text="Moreover, many things are specific to IT professionals or if a general topic specific information is still useful." CreationDate="2014-12-11T18:33:45.547" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="15617" PostId="6809" Score="4" Text="Since you mentioned Workplace... it's where I go when I need a laugh, want to stare at trainwrecks, or remind myself that my employers (whom I really dislike) aren't *that* bad, in the grand scheme of things.  The site (or it least its low-lights) should be required reading for anyone who thinks they want those type of questions of ServerFault.  As amusing as it is to read questions from people wondering if it's OK to use company resources and information to stalk an attractive female employee, I don't want to see that kind of question here." CreationDate="2014-12-11T19:01:23.053" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="15618" PostId="6809" Score="1" Text="Agreed with generic &quot;Workplace&quot; content, Hopeless. Stuff like this albeit not directly but still related to the type of content I think of: http://www.kalzumeus.com/2011/10/28/dont-call-yourself-a-programmer/?utm_content=buffer5e461&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_source=linkedin.com&amp;utm_campaign=buffer ... or this: http://www.ansible.com/blog/confessions-of-a-full-stack-devop?utm_content=buffer475f1&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_source=linkedin.com&amp;utm_campaign=buffer" CreationDate="2014-12-11T19:34:28.050" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="15625" PostId="6809" Score="1" Text="@Warner Love that site, and have read it a lot for my own purposes, but in addition to the crap that gets attracted by these kinds of questinos, I just don't think there's enough broadly applicable career development stuff out there that can be answered reasonably objectively. The market for IT skills in Columbus is pretty fractured (what you see available in the Dublin/WorthingtonH/illiard is vastly different from what you see in Pickerington or Grove-tucky), and that's just one metro area...on a global site you're talking about entirely different countries and cultures and legal frameworks." CreationDate="2014-12-12T04:14:23.237" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="15616" PostId="6810" Score="4" Text="Yes, this is a bad tag.  I'm thinking removal is the preferable course of action." CreationDate="2014-12-11T18:57:54.323" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="15641" PostId="6810" Score="0" Text="Seeing as how most questions on it seem to relate to websites, perhaps synonym it to website? Then again it has a very limited amount of questions as is, so removal wouldn't impact much." CreationDate="2014-12-12T15:42:42.160" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="15644" PostId="6810" Score="1" Text="Down with the `site`!" CreationDate="2014-12-12T16:55:55.540" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="15619" PostId="6811" Score="0" Text="Good points, thank you. The subjective nature of some of the subjects do make it more challenging. I'd say that there are past examples that were successful questions with good answers that were subjective but later closed. The subjective nature is a tangible challenge with the way the community has been built. Many human things are not necessarily black and white -- career management and &quot;soft&quot; topics tend to lean human even if IT focused." CreationDate="2014-12-11T23:09:44.157" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="15621" PostId="6812" Score="4" Text="Hm, the stuff about development environments went missing. What are we doing with that? Accepting every XAMPP question?" CreationDate="2014-12-12T00:13:13.210" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="15622" PostId="6812" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton I'd say for dev environments, it's really not &quot;managing systems&quot;, so that leaves it off-topic.. but if someone's setting up some Vagrant stuff for developing their Chef infrastructure, we want it, so it's a hard line to draw." CreationDate="2014-12-12T01:39:18.457" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15623" PostId="6812" Score="0" Text="One quibble, and it's a UX thing, but lists of more than 5 get tl;dr reactions far more than 5-point lists do. We have one in the current list, so we've broken that rule before." CreationDate="2014-12-12T02:33:15.710" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="15624" PostId="6812" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 Yeah, that's a good point - I wonder if we can find two of those to collapse." CreationDate="2014-12-12T02:34:17.033" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15632" PostId="6812" Score="6" Text="I wish I could believe that more than 5% of the new visitors to this site bothered to even read the help section.  Although there is verbiage stating that this is for professionals, the very first picture you see (immediately next to the words about professionals) says *Anybody can post a question.* The supermajority of the questions I see are either beginners venturing beyond Gnome on their Ubuntu for the first time and following some online tutorial and not receiving instant results or someone looking for a free architectural review instead of hiring a professional to do it." CreationDate="2014-12-12T07:55:26.310" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="15633" PostId="6812" Score="0" Text="I think the help page &quot;in a business environment&quot; text is a good way of rephrasing it. I note that the new &quot;not professional&quot; replacement text doesn't reference this, but I'm assuming the intent is that these questions should be migrated instead of closed?" CreationDate="2014-12-12T07:56:36.790" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="15646" PostId="6812" Score="0" Text="@yoonix Yes, there are absolutely some people who ignore the site's scope and the prompts they're given when asking their first question (though given the stats, I'd say it's more like 30-40% and not 95%).  Obviously, community moderation needs to deal with that.  But I'm not sure why that's a negative about this proposal?  Yes, it won't force people to read it any more than the current one does, so it's a net of no change for people who weren't going to read it anyway." CreationDate="2014-12-12T18:59:26.487" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15648" PostId="6812" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB Yeah, going with Chris's reasoning [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6714/remove-professional-close-reason) that we can close the stuff that needs closed accurately without it.  We can definitely adjust the close reasons after the fact if it turns out we do need it." CreationDate="2014-12-12T19:01:31.127" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15654" PostId="6812" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden I have nothing against the proposal, I just don't think it's going to make much of a difference. I'm all for trying though." CreationDate="2014-12-12T19:42:49.110" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="15669" PostId="6812" Score="0" Text="This help center topic is as much about y'all coming to an agreement and being on the same page as to what the site's about as it is for helping new users, @yoonix." CreationDate="2014-12-18T00:20:09.190" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="15620" PostId="6813" Score="5" Text="I think the benefit of the doubt is a good sentiment and definitely something that we need to have in mind, but that's more a guideline for the people in the community who are answering questions and doing community moderation - the target audience for this document is someone who's never been on the site before and needs to know what they can ask about." CreationDate="2014-12-11T23:59:49.777" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15658" PostId="6813" Score="5" Text="I agree questions should be given the benefit of the doubt - however this also means we're going to assume that the person asking them meets our standards of professionalism (which to me also means &quot;If you're told what you're doing is bad/wrong/dangerous that's *an answer*. You don't get to cry about it not being *the answer you want* unless you can explain why you have a *business need* to do this bad/wrong/dangerous thing.&quot;)" CreationDate="2014-12-12T20:28:40.923" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="15630" PostId="6814" Score="2" Text="The answer you've downvoted likely would be deleted by mods because of **spam**. After the answer deleted, you will get back your 1 'fake internet point' :)" CreationDate="2014-12-12T07:52:35.723" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="15631" PostId="6814" Score="0" Text="Lol thanks. It was more curiosity than actually caring about the rep." CreationDate="2014-12-12T07:53:49.563" UserId="86880" />
  <row Id="15629" PostId="6815" Score="0" Text="Clearly I didn't do a good enough job searching the FAQ. Thank you!" CreationDate="2014-12-12T07:50:42.737" UserId="86880" />
  <row Id="15635" PostId="6815" Score="3" Text="Actually you don't lose a point anymore for down voting questions, only for down voting answers... The rationale for that is [here](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/06/optimizing-for-pearls-not-sand/)." CreationDate="2014-12-12T08:23:26.077" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="15636" PostId="6815" Score="1" Text="Ahh, I mixed up the two. Clearly *I* was having a stupid moment too ;p" CreationDate="2014-12-12T08:24:17.903" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="15637" PostId="6815" Score="3" Text="I just finished my second espresso and therefore incredibly pedantic :) while it lasts..." CreationDate="2014-12-12T08:25:24.820" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="15643" PostId="6819" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your answers. They help a lot with understanding the current community. Is the data on data.stackexchange in any way limited? As you say they wish to foster confusion yet release data dumps." CreationDate="2014-12-12T16:55:23.770" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="15650" PostId="6819" Score="1" Text="Er, not &quot;foster confusion&quot; in general, just as to who is a Moderator and who is an Employee... It's a long story involving an employee and a moderator both acting like children, but it's also ancient history at this point too. The data in the dumps has quite a lot of information removed. Most is related to personal information privacy or voting privacy, but other information get caught too (they use a whitelist approach so data doesn't accidentally get let loose)." CreationDate="2014-12-12T19:30:39.477" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="15651" PostId="6819" Score="0" Text="My wording was perhaps poor... Implying some kind of malevolence. What you say makes sense. My apologies if my questions are basic for long-time community members, the information is hard to puzzle together from old posts and asking directly seemed like an easier approach." CreationDate="2014-12-12T19:32:59.457" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="15652" PostId="6819" Score="5" Text="I can't imagine trying to really &quot;catch up&quot; with the story at this point. The slow and steady &quot;decline&quot; has been going on basically since the site started, and people have been talking about it for years. But it basically boils down to less people contributing (good) answers." CreationDate="2014-12-12T19:36:19.797" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="15645" PostId="6820" Score="1" Text="I like that idea.  Right now there's the &quot;How to ask&quot; box and the &quot;Formatting Help&quot; box - it does offer a tiny bit of direct advice (&quot;Provide details. Share your research.&quot;), but I think we could definitely stand to use the space we have there more effectively.  I believe we'll need some development work to make that happen, I'll look into it." CreationDate="2014-12-12T17:50:54.893" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15657" PostId="6820" Score="1" Text="@ShaneMadden, yeah - we've recently noted that &quot;formatting help&quot; is pretty low on the list of things we'd pick to use that guidance real estate for if we were picking today." CreationDate="2014-12-12T20:01:03.753" UserId="130222" />
  <row Id="15659" PostId="6820" Score="3" Text="Formatting help should be there, but it doesn't need to be anywhere near as prominent (maybe have the &quot;helper bar&quot; above the edit window that you get when you click the red question mark expanded for low-rep/young accounts &amp; clearly label it &quot;Formatting Tips&quot; or similar?)" CreationDate="2014-12-12T20:31:47.747" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="15662" PostId="6820" Score="0" Text="What if we add a pop-up for 'beginners' (e.g., those with less than X questions), with a BIG ARROW pointing to the &quot;How to Ask&quot; sidebox? The big arrow should provide a kind exhortation to check out the links in the sidebox. After the new user 'graduated' from beginner status, no more need of the big arrow..." CreationDate="2014-12-15T01:02:50.387" UserId="15440" />
  <row Id="15665" PostId="6820" Score="0" Text="@pepoluan The problem is not usually that people are failing to see the copious quantities of help that we provide. The problem is usually that **they intentionally ignore it**." CreationDate="2014-12-17T19:04:01.393" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="15668" PostId="6820" Score="0" Text="We can customize Formatting Help to a degree now (Geoff just rolled this out). Think about what you want there, keep it short &amp; clear, post a feature-request." CreationDate="2014-12-18T00:17:49.020" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="15677" PostId="6820" Score="0" Text="To give a professional appearance, even non-professional questions should be dealt with in a professional manner. I have seen more than a few cases on this site where mods are NOT professional at all in their dealing with sub-par questions. Yes, the questions are sub-par, but the mods themselves once asked lackluster questions too." CreationDate="2014-12-20T06:24:40.517" UserId="108291" />
  <row Id="15678" PostId="6820" Score="0" Text="Also, this NEEDS to be READ by moderators and taken to heart: http://serverfault.com/help/be-nice" CreationDate="2014-12-20T06:59:56.200" UserId="108291" />
  <row Id="15679" PostId="6820" Score="1" Text="Perhaps questions and answers that demonstrate a certain level of professionalism should be recognized and made front and center?" CreationDate="2014-12-21T20:41:50.663" UserId="50458" />
  <row Id="15647" PostId="6821" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the explanation. Could you tell me how I can see these deletion stats on data.stackexchange.com? As I tried to query these statistics, but if I look for posts where ClosedDate is not null I seem to only end up with 13009 posts, which does not correlate with your graph." CreationDate="2014-12-12T19:01:15.517" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="15649" PostId="6821" Score="0" Text="@Reaces I'd need to go to the developers to explain the exact mechanics of what's in SEDE, but I suspect that's because closed questions are eventually deleted and would then stop being exposed in the data dump." CreationDate="2014-12-12T19:03:41.783" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15653" PostId="6821" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden I wouldn't expect such a JUMP around Sept and Dec. Doesn't seem like we have that many students here (which one might typically associate with jumps in low quality posts at the beginning and ends of semesters)." CreationDate="2014-12-12T19:37:34.310" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="15655" PostId="6821" Score="1" Text="@ChrisS Add a certain level of frustration after closing a lot of student questions. Also I imagine a lot of companies have freezes and reports near the end of the year that end up causing inexperienced personnel to do things they're less than comfortable with. Also a lot of personnel are on holidays, currently being substituted by people with less experience. The holiday periods have historically had a large impact on productivity in the western world." CreationDate="2014-12-12T19:45:20.543" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="15656" PostId="6821" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Yeah, I don't have any good explanation for that - The same jump exists in Oct - Dec of 2012, but in 2013 the Jul-Sep period was where there was a jump, then Oct through Dec was flat." CreationDate="2014-12-12T19:58:02.033" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15660" PostId="6821" Score="3" Text="I suppose you could call it a state of Extreme September, a phenomenon that occurs when a calendar September falls within the [Eternal September](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September)." CreationDate="2014-12-12T22:55:58.543" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="15666" PostId="6825" Score="8" Text="`the sheer volume of crap we get from folks who don't want to talk to their system administrator and expect Server Fault to act as Free Technical Support For The Interwebs justifies a little nitpicking`  It justifies a lot more than just a little nitpicking too, I'll add.  Like I told the judge, it justifies homicide as well, but I think he may have been asking rhetorically, now that I look back on it." CreationDate="2014-12-17T20:54:00.603" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="15670" PostId="6825" Score="1" Text="Oh, my, yes.  Yaaay HopelessN00b.  HN for moderator!  And voretaq7, too!  (Oh, wait...)" CreationDate="2014-12-18T10:46:30.890" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="15674" PostId="6827" Score="5" Text="One thing to consider is that migrating a question is not necessarily bad if you can get better help on another site. I prefer a well thought out question that get migrated to e.g. DBA.SE over a crappy &quot;Halp. My exchange iz kaput&quot;." CreationDate="2014-12-19T18:31:31.770" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="15690" PostId="6827" Score="0" Text="The [pee-wee herman rule](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/the-pee-wee-herman-rule/) is an interesting read on the topic of where to post questions." CreationDate="2014-12-26T09:29:42.310" UserId="108287" />
  <row Id="15698" PostId="6827" Score="2" Text="There is a wide gap between what the rules of the site _are_ and how the rules are _followed_. I've seen many on-topic questions get moved to a less appropriate site, closed, downvoted, etc. **not** because they violated the rules, but because one or a few people didn't like them. In other words, even if you follow the rules to the letter, chances are high that you (or your questions/answers) will get penalized regardless." CreationDate="2014-12-28T05:09:44.897" UserDisplayName="user65237" />
  <row Id="15700" PostId="6827" Score="0" Text="A sysadmin's goal is working toward higher efficiency, clearly a mod's role here is to work towards the day when no question will be left on topic and they are all diverted with the smallest input. :)" CreationDate="2014-12-29T08:45:34.623" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="15672" PostId="6829" Score="0" Text="You're right -- I updated the question as it's more of an uncertainty on my part about whether I'm asking in the right place." CreationDate="2014-12-19T18:11:53.943" UserId="130936" />
  <row Id="15675" PostId="6829" Score="1" Text="@c4urself I added a bit of an edit on to this in response to your edit - there's no reason there's only one place a given question should exist... often it's perfectly acceptable for multiple sites." CreationDate="2014-12-19T19:45:27.287" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="15689" PostId="6829" Score="0" Text="The Stack Exchange policy is to only migrate questions that are off-topic, or at the author's request, not to migrate questions because other users feel that it might be more popular elsewhere." CreationDate="2014-12-26T01:54:06.177" UserId="15051" />
  <row Id="15692" PostId="6829" Score="0" Text="That's the policy but it seam" CreationDate="2014-12-26T17:07:47.180" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="15673" PostId="6830" Score="5" Text="However, the mere existence of a tag doesn't necessarily imply the question would be on-topic here today as the scope of [SF] has changed over the years." CreationDate="2014-12-19T18:28:02.683" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="15680" PostId="6832" Score="8" Text="Yes.  Put the *professional* requirement back." CreationDate="2014-12-24T00:08:00.537" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="15683" PostId="6832" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter The community's clearly willing to give this a shot, I'm sorry that you won't." CreationDate="2014-12-24T17:45:35.947" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15684" PostId="6832" Score="2" Text="Thanks for the response, which genuinely *is* appreciated.  My personal feeling is that the community wasn't going to get the choice.  We lost *minimal understanding* as a close reason with what seemed like indecent haste.  I admit that *Professional* got more discussion, for which I'm grateful, but we did that discussion nearly to death in http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6701/server-fault-needs-professional-quality-questions-not-just-questions-from-profe , and I felt no consensus was reached - and yet, we did the whole question again not three weeks later..." CreationDate="2014-12-24T18:16:21.697" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="15685" PostId="6832" Score="7" Text="... which - combined with some unguarded statements made during the moderators' election - very much led me to feel that **the powers that be required a change**, regardless of whether the community could reach consensus on it.  I freely concede that the community isn't united behind me in wanting to keep the *not professional* close reason - and, more importantly to my mind, the corresponding mission statement - but I don't feel there's a clear mandate for this change *either*.  That we got change, despite the lack of a mandate for any particular direction, rankles somewhat." CreationDate="2014-12-24T18:20:54.157" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="15686" PostId="6832" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter The point of this being reposted was to reset the feedback based on the current revision (and get more eyes on that version, as some people wouldn't have seen the edits). As you can see from the vote totals, it's +18 / -2 right now after almost two weeks (and it was +18 / -0 at the start of the week, collecting the two downvotes most recently).  There are certainly some people in the community who still disagree, but a clear majority is willing to give this a shot." CreationDate="2014-12-24T21:50:00.613" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15687" PostId="6832" Score="4" Text="A fairly-made point, though you will note that I stipulated above that there was no community agreement to retain *not professional*.  That the community wants to give this a shot is certainly one way to interpret the voting figures that you quote (though &quot;18 in favour, 2 against&quot; is hardly a thunderous majority for a change as substantial as this); I'd interpret it as &quot;*the community is heartily sick of the whole discussion and will go for anything as long as we stop talking about it*&quot;, a position that argues for no change - though I also freely stipulate that I can't disambiguate the two." CreationDate="2014-12-24T22:18:11.140" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="15688" PostId="6832" Score="3" Text="It's honestly a coin flip whether December vacations mean that our regulars are spending more time on SF, or less as they spend time with family and things that aren't related to computers. Speaking for myself only, fast trigger pulls after a *very* long lull in SE admin attention span does not instill confidence. That said, I encourage people to use the vote tally on this answer to share how they feel about this having been enacted." CreationDate="2014-12-25T09:53:36.800" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="15691" PostId="6832" Score="4" Text="From where I'm sitting, people are &quot;willing to give this a shot&quot; in the same way that North Koreans are willing to be ruled by the Kim family. This feels very much like something that has been done *to* the site, not *for* the site." CreationDate="2014-12-26T10:10:58.533" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="15693" PostId="6832" Score="0" Text="@RobM And you may now refer to me as Dear Leader.  A North Korea comparison?  You might be taking this a little too seriously.  Let's look at it this way: what horrible consequences are you worried about from this? Replacing &quot;professional&quot; with &quot;business environment&quot; is a pretty minor change." CreationDate="2014-12-26T17:26:21.447" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15694" PostId="6832" Score="5" Text="I'm not the one who ram-rodded through a change with, at best, minimal support and picked Christmas time to do it so no one would notice, Shane. Does your &quot;clear majority&quot; supporting this include all the people you had rally to support this from the teacher's lounge when Iain called you on this nonsense last time?" CreationDate="2014-12-26T18:16:35.007" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="15695" PostId="6832" Score="0" Text="@RobM This post has been up for two weeks and was tagged as featured so that it was appearing on the front page, so you really can't argue that this has been going down behind the community's back.  And yes, +18 / -0, where the post was when we decided to pull the trigger on the changes, is a &quot;clear majority&quot;.  You're assuming that the whole community agrees with your position (and a vocal minority certainly does), but you're wrong." CreationDate="2014-12-26T18:22:38.397" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15696" PostId="6832" Score="0" Text="I encourage people to actually use the close reasons (including OT-&gt;Other) to demonstrate what is needed here, @AndrewB. [Hard data on what sorts of questions are problematic on this site](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6714/remove-professional-close-reason/6726#6726) is a whole lot more useful than hyperbole on meta." CreationDate="2014-12-26T18:34:18.860" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="15697" PostId="6832" Score="0" Text="@Shog I think you have me confused for someone else, or are replying to the wrong answer." CreationDate="2014-12-27T00:41:35.447" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="15701" PostId="6832" Score="0" Text="I guess I glanced over the close reason verbiage...but I'm not a fan of `&quot;Questions should demonstrate reasonable business information technology management practices. Questions that relate to unsupported hardware or software platforms or unmaintained environments may not be suitable for Server Fault&quot;`  -- I like the Help Center link itself...but the close reason is confusing IMO to people wanting to close it.  I read it 3x before clicking the Help Center link and then coming here to read your OP and then going &quot;Oh, got it.&quot;  I know the verbiage is tough...and I don't have a great replacement." CreationDate="2014-12-29T14:19:05.250" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="15702" PostId="6832" Score="1" Text="@TheCleaner Yeah, I still don't like it, but figured it was better to just go for it for now, see how it works in the wild, and adjust -- instead of spending another month agonizing over the wording. Hopefully shouldn't take us long to figure out something better." CreationDate="2014-12-29T18:04:02.167" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15681" PostId="6833" Score="1" Text="That's exactly what I'm doing - continuing to close as &quot;not professional&quot;, and using the new text.  This is not helpful for users, but what can I do?  Like you, I find writing a custom reason each time infeasible." CreationDate="2014-12-24T11:55:10.657" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="15682" PostId="6833" Score="0" Text="@Ward As I mentioned [above](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6812/proposed-change-to-server-fault-guidelines-round-2/6833#comment15648_6812), Chris made a good argument for removing it.  But if it turns out we do miss it, we can adjust.  We were completely overusing that reason, I think we can do better." CreationDate="2014-12-24T17:43:19.093" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15716" PostId="6833" Score="0" Text="Rather than complaining about &quot;crap&quot; questions, could you cite some specific ones so that we can have a constructive discussion about their proper treatment? It's not certain that everyone has the same idea as you of what constitutes &quot;crap&quot;." CreationDate="2015-01-04T07:34:16.697" UserId="15051" />
  <row Id="15699" PostId="6835" Score="2" Text="I'd err on the side of posting it anyway." CreationDate="2014-12-28T20:16:47.100" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="15703" PostId="6836" Score="0" Text="Not gonna happen.  SE considers comments to be one tick above worthless (at best), so any comment-related features are going to be at the bottom of the list at best, when they're not outright [tag:status-declined]." CreationDate="2014-12-30T16:25:54.600" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="15704" PostId="6836" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Yeah, I noticed that for SE. They seem to think comments are only there to ask for more code. I think they try to live with comments, as they allow to upvote comment and they filter to display those comments first. It's why I proposed to only display the statistic. It's like the 'helpful flag' stat, it show users who help to moderate while 'helpful comment' would show who bring valuable content to the community without being answer." CreationDate="2014-12-30T18:56:58.680" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="15706" PostId="6838" Score="11" Text="It's rarely ever a good idea to post a rant on meta about being downvoted. Unless you're specifically looking for constructive criticism about *why* you were downvoted and how to avoid it in the future, all it tends to accomplish is drawing more attention (and downvotes) to the topic in question." CreationDate="2014-12-31T16:25:11.083" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="15707" PostId="6838" Score="2" Text="I'm going to start off with full disclosure. I don't know anything about fail2ban or RBLs (it's not really my area). However I believe you're misinterpreting the down votes. This isn't that people are saying your idea won't work. It's that they disagree with the idea. These are 2 different concepts. The idea is that this will discourage others from implementing the same if they found the question. It's like saying &quot;Well sure you could police your own neighborhood, but honestly it's dangerous and probably won't work out well&quot;." CreationDate="2014-12-31T22:36:01.170" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="15712" PostId="6838" Score="3" Text="I pine for the return of the &quot;*not professional*&quot; close reason, and accompanying requirement..." CreationDate="2015-01-02T21:08:40.490" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="15713" PostId="6838" Score="1" Text="Marcos, I get that you're upset that you created a feature that you wanted and people downvoted you for posting about it.  I don't think your post here is going to do anything but draw more downvotes to your original post, though." CreationDate="2015-01-02T22:12:56.127" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="15720" PostId="6840" Score="5" Text="I hear tale that there's [this nifty new alerting system called Bosun](http://blog.serverfault.com/2014/11/10/announcing-bosun/) - Maybe someone who knows more about it should get an artistically-talented person to make an ad for it? :-P" CreationDate="2015-01-06T22:27:04.230" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="16800" PostId="6840" Score="2" Text="(not complaining, just curious) Why do we have to have a 1px border and few (none?) of the x.SE sites have that requirement?" CreationDate="2015-01-22T15:39:08.843" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="16818" PostId="6840" Score="0" Text="Would an Enterprise Content Management server be on-topic? I was thinking of adding http://nemakiware.com" CreationDate="2015-01-27T07:35:26.993" UserId="29296" />
  <row Id="16859" PostId="6840" Score="2" Text="@NicolasRaoul It's open source. I don't see a problem with it. But that doesn't guarantee that everyone else will like it!" CreationDate="2015-01-28T20:01:04.287" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20252" PostId="6840" Score="3" Text="Possible duplicate of [Community Promotion Ads - 2016](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8576/community-promotion-ads-2016)" CreationDate="2016-01-29T14:03:44.333" UserId="57468" />
  <row Id="15708" PostId="6841" Score="4" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting. Which isn't going to happen, -18 speaks pretty far to that." CreationDate="2015-01-01T03:21:53.797" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="15709" PostId="6841" Score="6" Text="We need to do better this year: [Unix.SE beat us with -21](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/2550/29792). Let's get cracking people." CreationDate="2015-01-01T11:06:33.663" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="15717" PostId="6841" Score="8" Text="@AndrewB There is a [new competitor this year](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/19015)." CreationDate="2015-01-05T17:45:09.683" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="15718" PostId="6841" Score="9" Text="BAD TWITTER BOT! BAD! GO STAND IN THE CORNER!" CreationDate="2015-01-06T22:21:36.563" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="15711" PostId="6843" Score="0" Text="&quot;*when they are deleted they're gone for good*&quot;: is that true?  I thought mods could see deleted comments." CreationDate="2015-01-02T21:05:57.393" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="15714" PostId="6843" Score="0" Text="I don't know. I'm not mod :). Just doing copy-pasta from the Help Center." CreationDate="2015-01-03T02:48:58.313" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="15715" PostId="6843" Score="0" Text="Hee hee - fair enough!  I was sort of hoping that a mod might comment." CreationDate="2015-01-03T07:24:10.187" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="15710" PostId="6845" Score="0" Text="I was actually trying to put it in the middle of a text quote, so using `code` tags made the spacing a little odd." CreationDate="2015-01-02T16:57:23.297" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="15721" PostId="6846" Score="0" Text="…my deployment server melted. :(" CreationDate="2015-01-06T22:30:51.917" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="15722" PostId="6846" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 Needs better cooling in your datacenter, clearly." CreationDate="2015-01-06T22:32:04.113" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15723" PostId="6846" Score="3" Text="&lt;throws another database server on the fire&gt; What? I can't hear you over the server alarm beeps!" CreationDate="2015-01-07T02:51:43.707" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="15724" PostId="6846" Score="1" Text="Lots of databases, databases burn *good*." CreationDate="2015-01-07T02:59:26.473" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="15719" PostId="6847" Score="1" Text="Stolen from Scott's 2014 ad (I'll see about coming up with a new banner though, I feel dirty recycling...)" CreationDate="2015-01-06T22:25:15.343" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="16801" PostId="6847" Score="0" Text="Scott stole from me... who stole from the official post card templates." CreationDate="2015-01-22T15:40:26.000" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="16802" PostId="6847" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS So we're all [filthy little thieves](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0zte5Z8tJU)?" CreationDate="2015-01-22T16:44:05.413" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="16734" PostId="7847" Score="4" Text="What can I say?  I completely agree with you." CreationDate="2015-01-08T07:43:09.910" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="16753" PostId="7847" Score="5" Text="I think there is a slight problem with this change in wording because it assumes that professional level IT does not occur outside of business.  Instead of getting analy hung up on on the word 'home' people are going to reject legitimate questions because it is mentioned that it is for a not-for-profit or other lunacy like that.  The real answer is that we need people to use some common sense and discretion to apply the spirit of the rule rather than act like jobsworths and kick stuff out on technicalities." CreationDate="2015-01-09T11:16:21.907" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="16718" PostId="7848" Score="2" Text="This question is intended to eventually be the link in the close-reason of this title. Please speak clearly, it's for posterity. Shall we begin?" CreationDate="2015-01-07T13:56:20.540" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="16719" PostId="7848" Score="6" Text="Before we do this, we should think about altering this close reason. Plainly spoken, it's crap." CreationDate="2015-01-07T14:00:09.550" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="16720" PostId="7848" Score="0" Text="@Sven Might be worth waiting, but at the same time, I think that &quot;reasonable business information technology management practices&quot; is the core of the newly worded close reason, and was the gist of the old one too, so it seems like it's probably safe to assume that phrase won't be going away.  I also disagree that the new close reason is crap...  Sure, I'd prefer it say `because you're &quot;doing it wrong,&quot; dumbass`, but since that's not gonna happen... well, I think the new wording strikes a good balance between plainly explaining what's wrong, while being SE *pink-and-fluffy* compatible." CreationDate="2015-01-07T14:05:42.257" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16721" PostId="7848" Score="1" Text="I'd try and take a crack at this one, but as shown [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6812/proposed-change-to-server-fault-guidelines-round-2#comment15701_6832) I was confused by it myself.  Even Shane Madden doesn't like it, but it was the best he could come up with to replace the &quot;not professional&quot;.  I agree with @HopelessN00b in that it's a fluffy bunny version of &quot;wth are you thinking?&quot;" CreationDate="2015-01-07T14:14:36.063" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="16722" PostId="7848" Score="3" Text="@HopelessN00b: The problem I have with it is that I am not sure I really understand it myself - it sounds like written by a politician (sorry Shane...) and I really hesitate to use it because of this. As an example: If you don't know about the discussions we had, how should you understand what we mean with &quot;unmaintained environment&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-01-07T14:23:26.323" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="16723" PostId="7848" Score="2" Text="I don't know. Personally I'm about five minutes away from removing this close reason, as I can't even understand why it was used sometimes." CreationDate="2015-01-07T15:44:03.433" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="16724" PostId="7848" Score="6" Text="@Sven Right, which, among other reasons, is why it would really be better if we just came out and said `This question is being closed because you're doing wrong and/or clearly don't have a clue.  Ask again if or when you decide to approach the problem with actual standards, like a professional would.`  But we can't, and SE seems entrenched in keeping things *pink-and-fluffy*, which is why it's confusing.  There's just no *pink-and-fluffy* way to tell someone they're doing it incompetently, like a brain-damaged monkey would." CreationDate="2015-01-07T15:51:46.673" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16725" PostId="7848" Score="1" Text="I don't even have a clue what I'm supposed to close or leave open any more." CreationDate="2015-01-07T17:36:00.333" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="16726" PostId="7848" Score="1" Text="So that we're not derailing this question, I've started a new one for &quot;how can we fix this thing&quot;: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/7850/what-can-we-do-to-fix-the-reasonable-management-practices-close-reason" CreationDate="2015-01-07T18:39:04.707" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="16743" PostId="7848" Score="4" Text="@HopelessN00b Hence I'm developing my own personal library of close reasons. :D I'll probably be the reason that StackExchange removes the custom close reason from ServerFault though. Everyone start hating me in advance." CreationDate="2015-01-08T17:45:34.973" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="16751" PostId="7848" Score="2" Text="@Wesley I'm doing something similar, although my interest in voting on anything has largely disappeared lately.  ps get a bike!" CreationDate="2015-01-09T05:54:02.203" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="16797" PostId="7848" Score="0" Text="Well, this went well." CreationDate="2015-01-22T00:00:52.347" UserId="12923" />
  <row Id="16741" PostId="7849" Score="2" Text="I think that moving the focus from the asker to the question was a good idea. The problem now seems to be that the definition of &quot;professional&quot; was mature, whereas the wording of &quot;minimal understanding&quot; still has some way to go. Overall I think that the steps have been in the right direction." CreationDate="2015-01-08T15:35:16.630" UserId="110653" />
  <row Id="16727" PostId="7850" Score="4" Text="I think you should first of all attempt to determine what it is that people what to say that isn't adequately handled by existing close reasons." CreationDate="2015-01-07T20:16:06.367" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="16745" PostId="7850" Score="0" Text="@Iain That's what I'm going for with the first item :)" CreationDate="2015-01-08T19:23:03.223" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="16749" PostId="7850" Score="1" Text="Then you need to ask that question separately; the only answers you're getting are to the other parts of your question." CreationDate="2015-01-08T22:14:57.587" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="16750" PostId="7850" Score="1" Text="Regarding the first part, most I've closed with it are the &quot;this is just plain stupid&quot; or &quot;You clearly have no idea what you are dealing with&quot; scenarios.  Wrong site gets closed with the other migration options, you're doing it wrong usually involves answering with the correct way to do it instead." CreationDate="2015-01-09T02:18:40.273" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="16778" PostId="7850" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden For reference, could you add the current text of this close reason to your &quot;question&quot;, please?" CreationDate="2015-01-14T20:46:14.023" UserId="21832" />
  <row Id="16790" PostId="7850" Score="0" Text="Any updates on this?" CreationDate="2015-01-19T19:16:40.200" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="16791" PostId="7850" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner Sorry, busy week last week - my current thinking is that we have three cases to cover: &quot;you're on the wrong site&quot;, &quot;you're doing it wrong&quot;, and &quot;you're in way over your head, we can't help you in 30,000 characters&quot; (which is what your answer covers well).. does that sound right?  I think we can do a generic one for the first, and get wording together that covers both the second and third." CreationDate="2015-01-19T19:34:22.113" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="16728" PostId="7851" Score="3" Text="One man's best practice is another's wtf did you just do there." CreationDate="2015-01-07T20:19:03.400" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="16729" PostId="7851" Score="1" Text="Indeed!  :)  I'm trying to avoid &quot;you're doing it wrong&quot; as a close reason, though.  Also, &quot;Questions where the OP refuses to listen to any answer may be unsuitable to Server Fault.&quot;  ;)" CreationDate="2015-01-07T20:27:37.707" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="16730" PostId="7851" Score="4" Text="&quot;You're doing it wrong&quot; is an opportunity to share how to do it right. I don't think questions like that should _always_ be closed." CreationDate="2015-01-07T20:52:35.220" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="16732" PostId="7851" Score="0" Text="Good point, yeah." CreationDate="2015-01-07T21:00:12.330" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="16733" PostId="7851" Score="4" Text="@MichaelHampton I agree. But. In my experience, even when applying great effort to be understanding and gentle with our correction, it seems the vast majority of OPs we say &quot;You're doing it wrong&quot; to respond negatively. That's not to say that we ought not give answering those questions a good college try..." CreationDate="2015-01-07T22:21:45.847" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="16759" PostId="7851" Score="1" Text="&quot;I'm setting up a minecraft server&quot; might actually be a professional business question of course. It still might not mean that we're the best site to provide an answer of course..." CreationDate="2015-01-09T15:00:59.643" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="16760" PostId="7851" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I agree.  It's not &quot;suitable for a business setting,&quot; though.  Not unless you want productivity to plummet.  ;)" CreationDate="2015-01-09T15:16:02.067" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="16762" PostId="7851" Score="3" Text="@KatherineVillyard Devil's advocate: what if you're running a Minecraft hosting service?" CreationDate="2015-01-09T18:29:59.913" UserDisplayName="user15323" />
  <row Id="16764" PostId="7851" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton If a person asks: &quot;How can I do A?&quot; and somebody answers &quot;You you should not do A&quot;, they are really not answering the question. Are you proposing that we are cool with answers saying don't do that, instead of answering how to do what was asked for? Or would it be better to edit the question such that instead of saying &quot;How can I do A?&quot; it says &quot;I am considering doing A, are there any pitfalls I need to look out for?&quot;, and then answer that question." CreationDate="2015-01-10T16:25:28.933" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="16765" PostId="7851" Score="2" Text="@kasperd: How can I store passwords in plaintext ..." CreationDate="2015-01-11T03:27:35.393" UserId="41652" />
  <row Id="16766" PostId="7851" Score="1" Text="Exactly, @SamB.  It would probably be better to come back in a comment and say, &quot;What problem are you trying to solve?&quot; but if the answer to that comment is, &quot;I just want a list of users' passwords,&quot; the answer is, &quot;Please don't do that.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-01-11T03:30:13.377" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="16776" PostId="7851" Score="1" Text="I had a similar issue recently, on a thread I think you were on. Someone asked how to use Windows ICS to create a tunnel through an existing VPN so they could access restricted subnets. I probed in comments about why they didn't just configure their VPN to allow access to the subnet, and discovered that they were just trying to circumvent corporate security policy on a system they weren't allowed to administer.  I wonder if we need to incorporate a &quot;We won't help you do bad things&quot; reason too." CreationDate="2015-01-14T17:44:10.770" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="16777" PostId="7851" Score="1" Text="Yeah, I was in that thread.  I wasn't sure whether that needed to be closed as &quot;Don't circumvent policy&quot; or as &quot;Ask your sysadmin to fix it for you.&quot;  (His workstation was allowed to access those subnets, after all.)  Either way, it was clearly unsuitable." CreationDate="2015-01-14T18:30:20.773" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="16878" PostId="7851" Score="0" Text="@Hyppy There's already a text about it in the [help]; specifically &quot;[if your question] is not about [...] unauthorized use or misuse of IT systems&quot;. I'm not sure it's a frequent enough occurrence that it needs its own custom close reason; we can still VTC with a comment pointing at that reason." CreationDate="2015-02-01T08:09:00.517" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="16735" PostId="7853" Score="4" Text="This is one of the first solutions I've felt I can get behind.  &quot;*This question shows a lack of basic research*&quot; deals very nicely with half of what I used to use &quot;*not professional*&quot; for.  I'm not quite so convinced by the other reason (I'm still holding out for &quot;*your question is bad because what you're doing is bad, and you should feel bad*&quot;, but I know I won't get it!)." CreationDate="2015-01-08T12:42:57.557" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="16736" PostId="7853" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter I think the basic problem is that for a lot of questions the person asking them is the problem. If we had a line to a more sane person in charge of that person we could fix everything and everyone would be happy!" CreationDate="2015-01-08T12:44:21.460" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16737" PostId="7853" Score="3" Text="I disagree that the question about resetting his colleague's password (http://serverfault.com/questions/656665/forget-my-old-password-how-can-i-recover-that) is about a business/personnel problem.  It's about circumventing his employer's security policies.  The fact that he's a domain admin doesn't change that." CreationDate="2015-01-08T14:23:24.360" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="16738" PostId="7853" Score="1" Text="@KatherineVillyard What I'm actually trying to imply with that sentence is that we can't help him, because his problem isn't technical. His problem is that he wants to do something that he shouldn't be able to do and shouldn't even be thinking about doing. What I would like to say is &quot;I hope I never have the misfortune of working with you, please go away&quot;. But I can't so I'm calling it a &quot;Business problem/Personnel problem&quot;, meaning I would hope that HR / his employer finds out and deals with it." CreationDate="2015-01-08T14:27:19.617" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16742" PostId="7853" Score="1" Text="A bit off topic, but the sole answer to that question was simply &quot;No&quot; and currently has 10 upvotes. I think the answer spoke for itself in that case...as did the downvotes." CreationDate="2015-01-08T17:09:17.237" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="16879" PostId="7853" Score="2" Text="@Reaces While it's true that you are new to the community, I'd like to welcome you. You've been a voice of reason. (I can't say much about your answers on the main site; I'm a unix person and usually run the other way when somebody asks about Windows...)" CreationDate="2015-02-01T08:11:23.477" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="16881" PostId="7853" Score="0" Text="@JennyD Thank you for the welcoming :). I'd like to think that most people in our profession that care enough to answer on these forums have some modicum of reason and tend to lean towards the logical. As for my answers... I often miss something or don't know something, which at times makes my answers not entirely correct, but learning is a two way street :)" CreationDate="2015-02-01T14:30:50.417" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16739" PostId="7854" Score="1" Text="I like yours better than mine, although the 5 R's comes of as a bit contrived to me personally. I also like the idea of a link giving more explanation and filling out the close reason a bit more. Is it possible to have the post locked from comments etc? Otherwise I feel a lot of &quot;Why did I get closed!&quot; comments are going to be placed there." CreationDate="2015-01-08T14:38:43.553" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16740" PostId="7854" Score="0" Text="Yes, the Meta post itself can be there but Protected.  But even current close reason links to Meta answers exist without protection and it's very rare to see someone comment there after clicking it.  Likely they don't even click it, but if they did they probably don't have enough rep in Meta to comment." CreationDate="2015-01-08T14:41:12.893" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="16744" PostId="7854" Score="0" Text="I feel like this overlaps a bit with `installation, configuration or diagnostic help`; `sufficient information about the configuration and environment to reproduce it, and attempted solutions` kinda covers &quot;lack of basic research&quot; and `without a clear problem statement are not useful to other readers` kinda covers &quot;isn't going to be of value to the IT community&quot;.  But I like the direction you're going with this.  Do you think we should also add a &quot;wrong site&quot; reason in addition to this one?" CreationDate="2015-01-08T19:18:10.443" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="16746" PostId="7854" Score="0" Text="I personally think `&quot;Questions without a clear problem statement are not useful to other readers and are unlikely to get good answers.&quot;` should simply be removed from the other one.  Possibly combine it with this one in the Meta link explanation?  -- By wrong site do you mean wrong SE site?  If so, I think the existing Migration choices are enough." CreationDate="2015-01-08T19:50:01.867" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="16747" PostId="7854" Score="5" Text="BTW @ShaneMadden I think the only thing really lacking from the existing close choices is a clear enough &quot;your question is completely stupid...I think so and so would most experts here&quot;, that's what I was hoping to convey without straight up offending the OP." CreationDate="2015-01-08T19:54:11.873" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="16748" PostId="7854" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner Haha, fair enough!" CreationDate="2015-01-08T19:56:48.300" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="16752" PostId="7855" Score="0" Text="I very much agree. Yet I fear even if we put a massive red flag on it stating: &quot;You're wrong and you should feel bad!&quot;... It wouldn't convince them 99% of the time." CreationDate="2015-01-09T10:40:09.623" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16761" PostId="7855" Score="5" Text="I'm going to go post over on Aviation.SE &quot;I bought a plane, tried to fly it, and it crashed.  What exactly is wrong with the plane?&quot; just to see if your point is valid or not. :)" CreationDate="2015-01-09T16:32:11.203" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="16767" PostId="7855" Score="0" Text="I'm trying to come up with good wording along these lines, but I keep running into thinking that these are covered by &quot;minimal understanding&quot; - do we have some good hypothetical questions this needs to hit?  &quot;my environment that someone else set up has a strange problem that I have no idea how to troubleshoot&quot;, maybe?" CreationDate="2015-01-12T21:30:04.850" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="16768" PostId="7855" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden I think it's less a case of the person being too new (because those questions usually get answered with a lot of documentation and / or good answers)... It's the cases where people go _(exagurated for emphasis, but two actual things that I read here)_ &quot;My predecessor set up an SSO, I tried to add my gmail to it by changing the ADFS proxy url and now everything is broken, I then deleted some DNS entries and now I can't go google, what's wrong?&quot;" CreationDate="2015-01-13T06:25:30.713" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16769" PostId="7855" Score="0" Text="@Reaces I think &quot;minimal understanding&quot; covers that kind of &quot;what are you even.. ... ..facepalm&quot; question pretty well, though?" CreationDate="2015-01-13T16:37:59.147" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="16770" PostId="7855" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden The thing about minimal understanding, though, is that it's not an option anymore and has to be added as a custom reason.  So, what's &quot;covered by&quot; minimal understanding kind of becomes an academic issue, doesn't it?" CreationDate="2015-01-13T16:39:43.777" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16771" PostId="7855" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden That close reason doesn't really exist anymore in that form. Which is why I gave that example, it's what I'm currently using &quot;reasonable management practices&quot; for, despite it not being a good fit. :)" CreationDate="2015-01-13T16:57:00.167" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16772" PostId="7855" Score="0" Text="@Reaces You're right, my mistake :)" CreationDate="2015-01-13T18:30:35.197" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="16755" PostId="7856" Score="1" Text="I added the tag to http://serverfault.com/questions/616778/how-to-use-terraform-io-to-change-the-image-of-a-stateful-server-without-downtim" CreationDate="2015-01-09T14:40:10.363" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="16756" PostId="7856" Score="1" Text="...and within a few seconds, I added it to a different question.  Please go ahead and provide a tag summary and/or description for this tag, and feel free to edit (well, suggest edits, in your case) the tag into questions where it's appropriate.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2015-01-09T14:42:32.267" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16757" PostId="7856" Score="0" Text="@Sven thanks for creating the tag!" CreationDate="2015-01-09T14:46:43.803" UserId="219235" />
  <row Id="16758" PostId="7856" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b tag summary proposed; tagged several questions." CreationDate="2015-01-09T14:53:08.893" UserId="219235" />
  <row Id="16763" PostId="7857" Score="2" Text="I would have considered this reasonable even without expounding on your rationale :)" CreationDate="2015-01-09T20:36:28.763" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="16773" PostId="7860" Score="0" Text="I care less about this question specifically, and more about how the moderation system works here. It's the first time I've seen that particular flag, and the system gives the user no information about how to dispute it. That's not a problem in this case, as you mention,  but it easily could be for new questions. In other words, I care for future reference." CreationDate="2015-01-14T08:35:28.783" UserId="62763" />
  <row Id="16774" PostId="7860" Score="5" Text="@SeanW. Yeah, unfortunately, we don't have any ability to change the feedback mechanisms or the information presented to a user about the moderation system.  That would be a meta.stackexchange.com ting, since it's system-wide, and I suspect that this kind of thing has been asked for and declined (or put at the bottom of the list) more than once already - but feel free to check and/or point it out." CreationDate="2015-01-14T08:42:53.123" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16779" PostId="7863" Score="2" Text="For what it's worth, I'm not seeing signs of either sock-drawer or canned ham in their details. This might be organic, or a tweak in Google rankings bringing this question up suddenly." CreationDate="2015-01-16T00:11:33.150" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="16780" PostId="7863" Score="1" Text="@sysadmin1138 The fact that it got bumped to the &quot;front page&quot; probably accounts for a higher Google page rank." CreationDate="2015-01-16T01:34:13.613" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16781" PostId="7867" Score="0" Text="I've used the contact form many times. I never received any email (but it worked and I received email for sister sites like superuser)." CreationDate="2015-01-17T18:09:35.737" UserDisplayName="user130370" />
  <row Id="16782" PostId="7867" Score="1" Text="OK, I'll try to get ahold of the team. Just out of curiosity, may I ask why you want to delete this and your other accounts?" CreationDate="2015-01-17T18:11:00.133" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="16783" PostId="7867" Score="0" Text="Because I don't use them anymore. Therefore, I want them to be deleted." CreationDate="2015-01-17T18:12:08.160" UserDisplayName="user130370" />
  <row Id="16785" PostId="7867" Score="1" Text="@coincoin Well, the contributions you gave might be worth to be retained for future readers..." CreationDate="2015-01-19T09:01:25.583" UserId="91005" />
  <row Id="16786" PostId="7867" Score="5" Text="@glglgl: Deletion of a user doesn't delete his answers. They will be anonymized but stay put. After all, you put all the stuff you write here into the Creative Commons, so there is no need to delete anything." CreationDate="2015-01-19T09:05:40.960" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="16784" PostId="7868" Score="8" Text="&quot;Fortunately, I have 8 of them from you, so there's a *really* good chance I'd have gotten to it eventually.&quot;  ROTFL!" CreationDate="2015-01-18T01:54:00.363" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="16787" PostId="7870" Score="0" Text="I'd like to do that, but I don't have enough reputation to do so. Who would be do that then?" CreationDate="2015-01-19T11:53:54.537" UserId="91005" />
  <row Id="16788" PostId="7870" Score="0" Text="@glglgl A mod could do that, but I'm not sure they ought to be merged.  I see at least one question with the 443 tag which is specifically about port 443, and not about the https protocol.  They are separate things, after all. Even if port 443 was only ever used for the https protocol, the port and the protocol are not the same thing." CreationDate="2015-01-19T16:11:33.753" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16789" PostId="7870" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b But perhaps those few cases where 443 was used to only talk about the port, and not the protocol behind it, would be better served tagged as [port](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/port)." CreationDate="2015-01-19T16:15:37.663" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16792" PostId="7870" Score="3" Text="@HopelessN00b At least the tag is very badly named. 443 could be everything; there is [tag:port-80] which is by far better named." CreationDate="2015-01-19T21:42:10.620" UserId="91005" />
  <row Id="16793" PostId="7872" Score="0" Text="Great! Thank you!" CreationDate="2015-01-20T18:07:45.247" UserId="91005" />
  <row Id="16804" PostId="7875" Score="2" Text="I'd ask. I would probably answer it." CreationDate="2015-01-22T18:30:12.010" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="16794" PostId="7876" Score="3" Text="Ok thanks, got your point. I will ask specifically about common practices (charges, security, etc.) and the 'norm' in this domain, and not about the service recommendations." CreationDate="2015-01-21T13:42:54.363" UserId="233752" />
  <row Id="16795" PostId="7876" Score="3" Text="@DaveRose That's fine, but be careful - it's easy for that kind of question to get closed for being too broad or too subjective." CreationDate="2015-01-21T14:04:03.890" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16799" PostId="7878" Score="6" Text="Reputation on serverfault are not fake internet points, they are real internet points." CreationDate="2015-01-22T11:39:13.530" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="16796" PostId="7879" Score="0" Text="@Chris-S makes the point here that there are &quot;No takebacks (except in extraordinary circumstances)&quot; http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3191/what-happens-when-a-bounty-expires" CreationDate="2015-01-21T23:10:37.517" UserId="55726" />
  <row Id="16798" PostId="7879" Score="1" Text="@noonand Unfortunately, not getting an answer is not an extraordinary circumstance. Those are things like, say, having to close or delete the question despite the bounty (which is _very_ rare)." CreationDate="2015-01-22T02:23:42.343" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="16809" PostId="7880" Score="0" Text="Also a bit off-topic perhaps. But I think the name for the `historical` tag is a bit odd. Tags generally refer to the question they are placed under, and the tag gives the impression that the question is historical. Maybe `tagless` would be a better fit? Nit-picking here." CreationDate="2015-01-23T14:28:44.413" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16810" PostId="7880" Score="0" Text="@Reaces Also a valid point.  I'll put some thought into a better name for that tag." CreationDate="2015-01-23T14:51:28.407" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16819" PostId="7880" Score="2" Text="Cleanup tag suggestion: [tag:method]" CreationDate="2015-01-27T10:20:55.390" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16861" PostId="7880" Score="0" Text="@Reaces Looks like a thoroughly useless tag to me. I'll get it burninated today." CreationDate="2015-01-29T15:53:53.417" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16882" PostId="7880" Score="2" Text="[tag:xampp], [tag:wamp] [tag:mamp] are sewers especially in conjunction with [tag:localhost]" CreationDate="2015-02-01T17:14:27.583" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="16925" PostId="7880" Score="2" Text="[thrashing](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/thrashing) is surely a candidate" CreationDate="2015-02-09T16:36:04.773" UserId="256877" />
  <row Id="16926" PostId="7880" Score="1" Text="[accessibility](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/accessibility) is a pretty dirty tag as well.(And for some reason [access](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/access) seems weird as well, but I can't really say why... maybe its because I'm not natively english)" CreationDate="2015-02-10T13:47:44.583" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16964" PostId="7880" Score="0" Text="Just out of curiosity,  what's difference between cleaning up and getting rid of? Is getting rid of === burninating?" CreationDate="2015-02-18T11:59:10.033" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="16965" PostId="7880" Score="0" Text="@masegaloeh Mostly.  Cleaning up is for tags that might be salvageable, and might stay around.  Getting a tag deleted by removing it from every question is what I mean by getting rid of.  An automatic tag deletion by a developer is a burnination." CreationDate="2015-02-18T12:02:20.553" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17070" PostId="7880" Score="0" Text="Can you explain *your* procedure to deleting the bad tags? From my observation, looks like (1) you synonymized/merged the list of **off-topic-tags** likes webmin, cpanel or plesk to single [off-topic tag](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/off-topic).  The next step is: (2) for bad/low-quality question you locked/closed the and for good question you remove the off-topic tag from the question. Is that right?" CreationDate="2015-02-26T06:07:02.040" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="17114" PostId="7880" Score="2" Text="I'm not sure if this thread is still being actively pursued, however I would like to submit [address](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/address) as being a down-right horrible mixture of IP-Address Mac-Address and other addresses." CreationDate="2015-03-10T06:28:11.390" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16812" PostId="7883" Score="0" Text="FYI, on Stack Overflow, the tag is simply [`mesos`](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/mesos); not sure if you want to keep the `apache-` prefix or not." CreationDate="2015-01-25T20:17:54.457" UserId="219235" />
  <row Id="16813" PostId="7883" Score="0" Text="@MishaBrukman mesos is it's synonym, so we should be fine." CreationDate="2015-01-25T20:22:55.563" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16814" PostId="7886" Score="0" Text="Just so you know, the answer to that is to vote down or flag.  It was converted to a comment before the OP self-deleted his question." CreationDate="2015-01-26T15:28:45.097" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16815" PostId="7886" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I had voted &quot;No Action Needed,&quot; because how can a disembodied answer require an action?" CreationDate="2015-01-26T15:36:01.210" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="16816" PostId="7886" Score="6" Text="I don't think answers to deleted _questions_ should be eligible to become audits..." CreationDate="2015-01-26T15:36:05.650" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="16817" PostId="7886" Score="3" Text="Yeah, well, you know... *developers*." CreationDate="2015-01-26T15:36:56.507" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16820" PostId="7887" Score="4" Text="Whether or not they read it, it might be useful in case we want to link to the page as an explanation as to _why_ their question is bad. For instance &quot;A conclusion is not data.&quot; is something I would very much like to reuse in a lot of questions that don't actually show the users process for reaching their conclusions." CreationDate="2015-01-27T15:47:28.657" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16821" PostId="7889" Score="0" Text="This time I only asked a question, I hadn't any negativ intent. Imho, the moderation of the SF is currently the best between the for me known SF sites, and this was also a reason to be as nice, as possible. I really can't understand the downvote." CreationDate="2015-01-27T18:21:50.487" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16822" PostId="7889" Score="1" Text="Downvotes on Meta mean disagreement." CreationDate="2015-01-27T18:22:36.430" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="16823" PostId="7889" Score="1" Text="@Sven I know, but disagreement with _what_? Disagreement with a _question_?" CreationDate="2015-01-27T18:24:54.647" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16824" PostId="7889" Score="6" Text="Maybe disagreement with the idea and sentiment of your question?" CreationDate="2015-01-27T18:25:33.230" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="16825" PostId="7889" Score="1" Text="@Sven Maybe disagreement with the statements in my question?" CreationDate="2015-01-27T18:26:00.597" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16826" PostId="7889" Score="0" Text="@Sven Well, now I am only curious _why_ you do this. Actually, the downvotes are answers, too, but I think, you could be nicer..." CreationDate="2015-01-27T18:33:45.013" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16827" PostId="7889" Score="0" Text="Maybe disagreement with the sentiment and statements?  I know that I personally disagree with all your positions on 1, 2 and 3.  I also don't think that the new mods are responsible for additional migration activity, because I almost never close-vote for migration, and have put even stopped a few migrations with a mod-close vote (to prevent a question with 3 or 4 migration votes from getting migrated)." CreationDate="2015-01-27T18:36:18.050" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16828" PostId="7889" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Personal disagreement can be maybe explained more clearly in an answer as with downvotes. I also write: &quot;I don't have evidence if there is also causal link.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-01-27T18:38:43.347" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16829" PostId="7889" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b About your &quot;personal diosagreement&quot;: you think it is not so as I write, _or_ you think, I see these changes well, but they are on your opinion okay?" CreationDate="2015-01-27T18:39:56.577" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16830" PostId="7889" Score="0" Text="Hm. There is no answer, but soon 3 downvotes, and critics against the &quot;sentiment of my question&quot;. Heyy! This time I tried to be _really_ nice! What had been happened if I don't? :-)" CreationDate="2015-01-27T18:41:36.077" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16831" PostId="7889" Score="7" Text="Both, actually.  I may get around to answering, I may not, but there nothing &quot;not nice&quot; about a downvote.  It's just a quick way to register an opinion on the content you're voting on.  Nothing more, nothing less.  But it sure comes in handy when you're too busy to write out you opinion in an answer or comment." CreationDate="2015-01-27T18:44:10.820" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16832" PostId="7889" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b It were very clear reason for 1 downs, but not for 5. Actually what I really miss here, is the clear answer, the downvotes I simply don't understand. Really only I experienced the named changes here?" CreationDate="2015-01-27T18:45:56.507" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16833" PostId="7889" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b And what I don't understand: I didn't even said that all of these changes were bad! I even supported (1), and wish to remain!" CreationDate="2015-01-27T18:46:55.637" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16834" PostId="7889" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Actually, I expected an answer like: &quot;(1) is because... (2) is not so, (3) is okay, because...&quot;. And then I had got away with peace." CreationDate="2015-01-27T18:48:42.243" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16835" PostId="7889" Score="8" Text="I am downvoting due to a lack of foundation for your statements. You say that you have seen this, but you show no evidence." CreationDate="2015-01-27T18:59:14.983" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="16836" PostId="7889" Score="0" Text="@JennyD Yes, there is no evidence, because now in this post I didn't accuse anybody. I only asked, why are these. I think it was enough clear." CreationDate="2015-01-27T19:00:17.993" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16837" PostId="7889" Score="0" Text="@PeterHorvath I think English is your second language, which may make communication harder. With evidence I meant statistics showing e.g. a change in the number of migrations and closures. That is not the same as accusing someone. (However, you **did** specifically name two moderators...)" CreationDate="2015-01-27T19:01:59.710" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="16838" PostId="7889" Score="0" Text="@JennyD Ok. Yes, I did it, because their name I've seen most times behind the changes. Stats I don't have, first because I didn't collect, second because I don't see it would be needed, at least not now." CreationDate="2015-01-27T19:05:51.817" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16839" PostId="7891" Score="0" Text="Ok. So, you say the changes I mentioned simply didn't happen?" CreationDate="2015-01-27T19:13:55.657" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16840" PostId="7891" Score="4" Text="I am saying that I have no way of knowing whether they happened or not." CreationDate="2015-01-27T19:14:26.117" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="16842" PostId="7891" Score="1" Text="I do not understand that comment at all. I have no idea who you are referring to as mods/powerusers, whom you think is feeling accused. It is true that I don't want clash; in the context of your question, what I want is specific data rather than your personal impression. I have no idea what your wishes are." CreationDate="2015-01-27T19:37:20.243" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="16843" PostId="7891" Score="0" Text="I don't want conflict, I only asked things, with peace, this is because I stop this thread." CreationDate="2015-01-27T19:45:53.363" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16844" PostId="7891" Score="2" Text="@PeterHorvath I would like to add that the elections happened way to recently to really get a good picture on the effects of the new mods. Giving them some time to get accustomed to their new way of interacting with SF, keeping in mind that these are people with additional full-time employment. I think gathering some statistics over the coming months _could_ be useful. However immediately naming and shaming (sort of) two mods right after the holiday period, just 2 months (barely) after the elections? Too much, too soon." CreationDate="2015-01-28T09:12:02.970" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16846" PostId="7891" Score="0" Text="@Reaces Read again: &quot;I stop this thread&quot;. Understood? Thanks." CreationDate="2015-01-28T10:35:55.593" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16847" PostId="7891" Score="0" Text="@PeterHorvath You cannot unilaterally stop a thread (except by deleting the question). If you ask a question, and other people are interested in it, they *will* and *should* contribute their ideas and points of view. That is the whole point of the StackExchange sites - that questions and answers should be useful for more than just the person asking them. I believe that a failure to understand this leads to things such as demanding that bad questions be left open even though they are useful to at most one person." CreationDate="2015-01-28T10:53:23.810" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="16848" PostId="7891" Score="0" Text="@JennyD Well, actually I could continue, but this is probably not what you want, and also not what I want. Now I won't conflict with you, I didn't gave a reason for you to this behavior (my original post _wasn't_ _attacking_), so I won't communicate in this thread with the exception to mention, that I stepped out." CreationDate="2015-01-28T10:54:19.183" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16849" PostId="7891" Score="1" Text="@PeterHorvath I think this is another language problem. &quot;I stop this thread&quot; reads to me like &quot;I am stopping this whole thread and nobody should write anything more in it&quot; - which is clearly not working. If what you mean is &quot;I will stop writing in this thread&quot;, then that is a choice that anyone can make at anytime. I think you should be aware that often when people disagree with you it may simply be because what you wrote does not express what you mean." CreationDate="2015-01-28T10:59:50.923" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="16850" PostId="7891" Score="0" Text="@JennyD You are right, thank you. I stop the communication in this thread, because you are handling this as a conflict, in which I won't take part." CreationDate="2015-01-28T11:03:14.280" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16851" PostId="7891" Score="2" Text="@PeterHorvath From my side there is no conflict. I have repeatedly asked for information, which you do not provide. There can be neither conflict nor consensus as long as there is not even a factual basis for discussion." CreationDate="2015-01-28T11:04:27.363" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="16852" PostId="7891" Score="0" Text="@JennyD There _was_ factual basis. You could have simply explain, why are you doing this. I probably didn't agree with all of the changes, but there hadn't been a conflict. And now, back to work, bye. Next time I will be harder (f.e. I will have &quot;facts&quot;, and I will accuse based on them - it seems this is the only way in which we can communicate)." CreationDate="2015-01-28T11:09:04.537" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16853" PostId="7891" Score="3" Text="@PeterHorvath I shall be very interested in seeing those facts, though I wish you did not see the need to &quot;accuse&quot;. Simply showing the data, such as statistics and links to questions, would give other people a basis for response. In this question, all you've given us is your subjective experience - which is insufficient basis for an objective evaluation of the issues. I do not see any reason why this should involve accusations or conflict. Again, I have never said that you are wrong, only that I have no way of knowing if you are right." CreationDate="2015-01-28T11:13:39.513" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="16854" PostId="7891" Score="0" Text="@JennyD No, there was a change in the behavior of the mods, you also know this, I also know this. But you won't admit this, but are handling this question as a false accuse. But there wasn't accusation, there was only a question. And, of course, there isn't any data, how the hell could I have to think I get a such hostile reaction back? If I knew that, I had started this whole thread absolutely other ways! It is so simple." CreationDate="2015-01-28T11:16:56.290" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16855" PostId="7891" Score="0" Text="@JennyD Actually, the best argument will be behind my statements in the eyes of the future visitors: in a healthy environment, a such question as mine _never_ gets _this_ reaction as it got." CreationDate="2015-01-28T11:18:56.027" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16856" PostId="7891" Score="3" Text="@PeterHorvath I do *not* know that there was a change in behaviour. Your subjective experience of the site does not match mine. The front page constantly changes, the questions that catch my eye are not the same as those that catch yours. The only way to **know** if something has changed is by looking at the data. I am sorry that you see such a request for information as being hostile - if you think that asking for information to clarify the facts means that this is not a &quot;healthy environment&quot;, then I do not think that you and I will ever agree on anything regarding this site,." CreationDate="2015-01-28T11:36:53.263" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="16857" PostId="7891" Score="0" Text="@JennyD Yes, and you will get the data - next time." CreationDate="2015-01-28T11:38:24.703" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16866" PostId="7896" Score="1" Text="You could suggest moving them over to [Arqade](http://gaming.stackexchange.com/) if they get too gamey for you.  Just remember, game server hosting is a business as well." CreationDate="2015-01-29T22:20:13.600" UserId="246178" />
  <row Id="16867" PostId="7896" Score="0" Text="I don't see how these are _Minecraft Server_ questions. Reading them I would consider the first one a routing question. And the second one I would rather close or comment on, as there not being enough information about the setup to really ascertain anything on the problem." CreationDate="2015-01-29T22:56:28.580" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16868" PostId="7896" Score="0" Text="@Reaces Haha, I edited out the reference to Minecraft in the first one.  The second referred to the first." CreationDate="2015-01-29T23:13:55.913" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="16862" PostId="7897" Score="0" Text="LOL!  I may edit them as a random act of kindness, then.  :)  Thanks!" CreationDate="2015-01-29T16:27:10.553" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="16863" PostId="7897" Score="0" Text="P.S.  OMG SAVE TEH PUPPIEZ!!!!!!!!!!!  ;)" CreationDate="2015-01-29T16:31:00.433" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="16864" PostId="7897" Score="6" Text="pink-and-fluffy!!!" CreationDate="2015-01-29T16:45:25.510" UserId="121802" />
  <row Id="16869" PostId="7897" Score="4" Text="`...We've basically all saved a good home or dev environment question that we liked...` +1, but when did @hopeless get all soft hearted?" CreationDate="2015-01-30T20:00:04.860" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="16870" PostId="7897" Score="2" Text="@BigHomie  Weird.  I don't usually get described as getting soft-hearted when I talk about kicking puppies through barbed wire." CreationDate="2015-01-30T20:33:13.330" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16865" PostId="7898" Score="1" Text="True! questions going off the rails is hardly limited to game servers.  I had a SQL Server question turn into &quot;plz gimme teh codez&quot; recently, for example, and SQL Server is clearly business software.  (I could have voted to migrate it to dba, but I don't think they want to give him the codes, either.)" CreationDate="2015-01-29T16:45:37.483" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="16922" PostId="7899" Score="0" Text="Images must have a 1px border around them if they have a white background." CreationDate="2015-02-05T22:07:03.123" UserId="35696" />
  <row Id="16890" PostId="7900" Score="1" Text="1) I'm not a moderator (why does everyone assume that?) 2) my comments may have come off snarky but that was because I felt like you weren't putting much effort into solving your own issue.  I explained that you could simply change a client's hosts file to test resolution.  Then you said &quot;well of course that works but it's a hack&quot;, to which I replied &quot;you should've said that it works doing that in your OP.  Then it's obviously a DNS resolution issue and you should post a debugged output of an nslookup if you want further help&quot; which you never did.  I'm glad you got it resolved still." CreationDate="2015-02-02T16:51:45.000" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="16891" PostId="7900" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner I did not realize whether or not the domain resolved being in the hosts file was helpful in narrowing the decision tree, if I did I would have posted it.  I don't think the comments were so much snarky as mixed constructive...  I appreciate the help, but I do wish people would understand that others may not have thought of everything and all they need is a simple comment asking them to clarify.  Not a comment challenging the whole post when the OP is willing to improve it.  I assumed you were a mod because it was closed with 2 votes before reopen." CreationDate="2015-02-02T16:59:08.423" UserId="249832" />
  <row Id="16874" PostId="7901" Score="1" Text="Thank you for your excellent moderation and information." CreationDate="2015-01-30T22:49:26.140" UserId="249832" />
  <row Id="16873" PostId="7902" Score="0" Text="I disagree in many ways, but do not have the space to fully express my thoughts.  I have seen great questions go through multiple edits.  People think they posted it right the first time and then realize they made an assumption that should be clarified with the feedback.  I don't know if you were having a bad day, or if you are the type that always gets the first post right and can't stand to see others not follow your standard, but its really nasty and counterproductive to act as you did.  No hard feelings dude, hope you have a much better weekend!" CreationDate="2015-01-30T22:47:55.980" UserId="249832" />
  <row Id="16875" PostId="7902" Score="9" Text="@BAR It's as much about the consequences of a poor question as the poor question itself. A poor question with no answers will get deleted by the system, and no big deal. A poor question which gets a bunch of answers and radically changes while it's being answered does not get automatically get cleaned up, and creates a mess that's a major pain in the ass to deal with/cultivate into something useful.  That's why your question was closed - so that it did not devolve any further, while giving you a chance to refine into a detailed, concise and useful question that could be reasonably answered." CreationDate="2015-01-30T22:58:25.113" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16880" PostId="7902" Score="0" Text="I'm inclined to say the proper course of action would be cleaning up the comments and answers... However this is can be very tricky / cause the question to devolve." CreationDate="2015-02-01T11:31:48.950" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16883" PostId="7902" Score="0" Text="@Reaces I wish I had some say over the cleanup.  As soon as I saw HopelessN00b and TheCleaners comments I knew this was about to devolve rapidly.  There should be an IGNORE button!" CreationDate="2015-02-01T19:20:33.953" UserId="249832" />
  <row Id="16884" PostId="7902" Score="0" Text="@bar what do you mean with devolve rapidly? They both gave reasonable responses..." CreationDate="2015-02-01T21:01:14.057" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16885" PostId="7902" Score="0" Text="@Reaces Their comments were removed by a moderator." CreationDate="2015-02-01T21:04:29.443" UserId="249832" />
  <row Id="16886" PostId="7902" Score="4" Text="HopelessN00b **is** a moderator.  If you're going to use mod removal as evidence of the comment being poor, you must also use the original mod involvement as evidence of the comment being excellent.  Though I cannot read the comments now, the discussion above suggests that the question required a **lot** of work to make it fit-for-purpose; I don't think you should read any more into the removal of the comments than &quot;*now the community has helped the author salvage this question, mods have come along and tidied that process up*&quot;, which often happens around these parts." CreationDate="2015-02-02T07:17:34.537" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="16892" PostId="7902" Score="1" Text="@MadHatter Everything in context.  The comments from hopelessn00b were mixed with attacks.  The first comment he made on this post was a direct attack.  This is what moderators here are supposed to be like? /sarc" CreationDate="2015-02-02T17:05:36.873" UserId="249832" />
  <row Id="16893" PostId="7902" Score="0" Text="@BAR The only comment I posted on your original question was: &quot;`If all you know how to use is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.` Sadly, your problem is not a nail, and we're not a group of professional carpenters.&quot;  And it was an auto-posted comment by the question closure system... which is really something that someone who's been a member on SO for over 4 years ought to know.  Which brings me to the other comment I made at you, on this question, pointing that out. If you see either of those comments as attacks, perhaps this community is not for you." CreationDate="2015-02-02T17:42:57.743" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16894" PostId="7902" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Why do you expect me to know that is auto-posted?  And what exactly is my hammer?  I clearly tried different things, such as nslookup, DNS admin, and ipconfig commands.  And how about your comment here?  That was definitely an attack, and it was removed because of it." CreationDate="2015-02-02T17:48:32.520" UserId="249832" />
  <row Id="16895" PostId="7902" Score="2" Text="@BAR Jesus man, knock it off already. I don't have the patience to deal with your brand of... whatever you want to call this.  My comment here was `For someone who's been on Stack Overflow for over 4 years, you seem to have a bewilderingly poor understanding of the way Stack Exchange sites work.` It was not an attack, and its removal is in no way a validation of your flag or an indication that it was an attack. Now kindly stop irritating me with message notifications and overly sensitive claims about what constitutes an attack (to put it generously). Ask a new meta question if you must." CreationDate="2015-02-02T17:56:41.677" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16896" PostId="7902" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Its my brand of straight shooting.  You feel justified and I feel your wrong.  We clearly disagree.  That is fine." CreationDate="2015-02-02T18:03:19.187" UserId="249832" />
  <row Id="16897" PostId="7902" Score="1" Text="@BAR I'm sorry, but - assuming you mean HN's comment above with 8 upvotes - I'd stand by everything he said in that comment, and have upvoted it myself.  It contains nothing *ad hominem* whatsoever, only some trenchant criticism of a class of questions that well-deserve it.  If you regard that as a &quot;*direct attack*&quot;, you're way too thin-skinned for SF, and need to learn to distinguish between criticism of *what you've done* as opposed to criticism of *who you are*.  The former is entirely legitimate, and I've seen none of the latter." CreationDate="2015-02-02T19:06:50.407" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="16898" PostId="7902" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter I don't take it personally.  I do find it unbecoming of a moderator to be aggressive or even mildly rude while not helping the poster." CreationDate="2015-02-02T19:12:38.337" UserId="249832" />
  <row Id="16899" PostId="7902" Score="2" Text="And as we keep trying to tell you, nothing we've seen here constitutes aggression." CreationDate="2015-02-02T19:13:44.630" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="16900" PostId="7902" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter Whatever it is, it is definitely not the polite thing to do, as the post linked by HN himself states a user should be." CreationDate="2015-02-02T19:17:14.133" UserId="249832" />
  <row Id="16901" PostId="7902" Score="4" Text="@BAR Alright, I'm done asking.  If I get irritated by another message notification from you, like when you post a comment on my question, you're getting suspended." CreationDate="2015-02-02T19:30:38.357" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16876" PostId="7903" Score="0" Text="Well, this answer is very far which I could agree, but at least it is clear. Anyways, it is soon very good if you are at least _capable_ _to_ _explain_ _clearly_ what are you doing and why. Thank you." CreationDate="2015-01-31T16:09:14.733" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="16877" PostId="7903" Score="6" Text="1. If you were to look at [actual migration stats](http://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/268824?opt.textResults=true) instead of guessing you'd see that we migrate away quite a lot compared to for example [SuperUser](http://data.stackexchange.com/superuser/query/268824?opt.textResults=true). And we have done for long since before the election. 3. This just isn't true. While I can't seem to reliably find deleted question stats on data.stackexchange. The ones I can find seem to indicate the vast majority of bad questions not deleted by community votes are deleted by the OP." CreationDate="2015-01-31T16:48:11.880" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16887" PostId="7904" Score="0" Text="+1 from me, Michael, but I urge you now to turn your thinking powers to the first category.  I agree with you that consensus probably can't be reached on it, but I very much desire that the community should at least reach closure on the issue.  The current model where the vocal minority continue to post low-knowledge questions while the rest of us desperately wish they'd go away isn't working very well, for me.  I'd love ground to be given, but as is often the case with binary questions, I'm not sure it *can* be; a simple count of which half of the community is really bigger may have to serve." CreationDate="2015-02-02T07:47:24.397" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="16903" PostId="7904" Score="0" Text="Agreed on the new reason.  I don't think I have the permissions to flip the &quot;extra close reason&quot; switch, but I'll ping the community team on it." CreationDate="2015-02-02T23:31:48.893" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="16904" PostId="7904" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter I will indeed continue thinking about them. For the moment I would just use the &quot;too broad&quot; close reason, since that's essentially what they are." CreationDate="2015-02-02T23:52:55.763" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="16905" PostId="7904" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton And, done - 4th custom reason slot should be available." CreationDate="2015-02-03T00:08:22.027" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="16906" PostId="7904" Score="1" Text="@ShaneMadden Yes indeed it is!" CreationDate="2015-02-03T00:09:58.277" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="16888" PostId="7905" Score="0" Text="Is this really not a published best practice for Linux?  In Windows-land, the tiered time sync approach has been the MS recommendation for as long as I've been in this career.  I guess I assumed it was the same in Linux-land as well." CreationDate="2015-02-02T08:35:38.737" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16889" PostId="7905" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b an excellent point.  If you can find a respected guide that makes that explicit recommendation for us benighted Free Software types, I'd really like to see it." CreationDate="2015-02-02T08:36:50.113" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="16918" PostId="7908" Score="1" Text="While I sympathise... You can't expect something so delicate as religion to be dealt with a two sentence meta question... If anything this post should be removed and you should ask the company for a formal stance if it is a critical issue for you. Not the community." CreationDate="2015-02-03T18:09:40.710" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16919" PostId="7908" Score="5" Text="Offensive usernames are a subject for meta.stackexchange because the policy is for all SE sites.  Go there and search for &quot;offensive usernames&quot; to see what the guidelines are." CreationDate="2015-02-03T22:35:48.733" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="16921" PostId="7908" Score="1" Text="Is it hate speech (&quot;Kill_the_[insert group]&quot; or &quot;[insert group]_burn_in_hell&quot;) or is it, well, unfunny humor?  Because the former has an actual flag category, and might therefore be taken more seriously than the latter." CreationDate="2015-02-04T22:52:03.573" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="16920" PostId="7909" Score="1" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/117596/possibly-offensive-usernames" CreationDate="2015-02-03T23:40:48.720" UserId="182409" />
  <row Id="16907" PostId="7910" Score="0" Text="Is &quot;how to use a PEM key to SSH from Windows&quot; really on topic here? I'd vote to move it to SuperUser." CreationDate="2015-02-03T12:04:42.017" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="16908" PostId="7910" Score="0" Text="@JennyD: SU would be a potential target, but then we would need to send most SSH-related questions either to SU or to U&amp;L. I likely would let it live with the unspoken assumption that AWS/Azure is business-related. Also, see [this](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6755/why-was-this-question-kept-in-sf) discussion." CreationDate="2015-02-03T12:08:44.400" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="16909" PostId="7910" Score="1" Text="I actually do think that many ssh-related questions belong on SU or U&amp;L. That is, the ones that are basically &quot;how do I use this program&quot; are at least on-topic there, but not here. The ones I'd like to keep here are the ones that are more complex, or that have their focus on the sshd side rather than the ssh side - or, at least, if the asker doesn't even have access to the serverside logs, then the question doesn't belong here." CreationDate="2015-02-03T12:18:20.490" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="16910" PostId="7910" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't disagree with that, but that  still means such questions are already welcome on existing SE sites and a new site is not necessary." CreationDate="2015-02-03T12:24:18.793" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="16911" PostId="7910" Score="0" Text="I certainly agree with that. Especially the SSH questions - SSH does not magically become different just because the server on the other end lives in the cloud." CreationDate="2015-02-03T13:08:20.903" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="16912" PostId="7910" Score="0" Text="I updated with some better examples of items I consider to be OT for SO, but am unsure of Serverfaults scope. Thanks for the feedback so far!" CreationDate="2015-02-03T13:24:14.997" UserId="127724" />
  <row Id="16913" PostId="7910" Score="0" Text="@JennyD updated SSH question to how do I SSH to an elastic beanstalke instance, which I think is specific enough to the cloud?" CreationDate="2015-02-03T13:26:21.400" UserId="127724" />
  <row Id="16914" PostId="7910" Score="0" Text="@djc391 Well, it's obviously OT on SO since SO is about programming, not about server management. But I think this discussion would be better held at the proposal page than here." CreationDate="2015-02-03T14:12:49.697" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="16924" PostId="7912" Score="1" Text="I gave it an upvote at Super User." CreationDate="2015-02-08T03:30:04.453" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="16928" PostId="7912" Score="3" Text="For that matter, you may as well flag every question asked since yesterday morning.  You'll be right about 98% of the time." CreationDate="2015-02-10T20:17:44.983" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16993" PostId="7912" Score="1" Text="I laughed when I saw the title for this quesiton: &quot;When to flag questions that show a lack of knowledge?&quot;. Don't all questions show a lack of knowledge? (I do understand the rest of the relevant question)" CreationDate="2015-02-19T13:58:41.163" UserId="57569" />
  <row Id="16930" PostId="7918" Score="0" Text="Hi, when researching for tag-wiki content, many resources (for example [1](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNSBL), [2](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:DNSBL#NPOV_violation), [3](http://www.rblmon.com/blog/what-are-rbls-and-how-do-they-work/), [4](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5782), [5](https://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists), [6](http://www.exim.org/howto/rbl.html)) point out that we should use DNSBL instead RBL for the 'master' tag. Some reason is RBL was 'trademark' of MAPS and DNSBL should be seen as a more accurate technical term." CreationDate="2015-02-11T14:46:43.470" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="16931" PostId="7919" Score="0" Text="Maybe in the Linux stack?" CreationDate="2015-02-11T15:23:52.430" UserId="59296" />
  <row Id="16932" PostId="7919" Score="1" Text="Sorry, what do you mean &quot;the Linux stack&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-02-11T15:25:31.053" UserId="5506" />
  <row Id="16936" PostId="7919" Score="0" Text="Carlos probably meant [Unix.SE](http://unix.stackexchange.com), but as Hopeless says you should be fine posting it on here." CreationDate="2015-02-11T23:53:01.343" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="16933" PostId="7922" Score="4" Text="We have [a tag for AWS](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/amazon-web-services), so this proposed tag does have precedent." CreationDate="2015-02-11T21:19:20.027" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="16935" PostId="7922" Score="1" Text="It sounds like it's on-topic to me." CreationDate="2015-02-11T23:10:45.113" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="16938" PostId="7922" Score="3" Text="I for one welcome our new Google Overlords. Regardless, creating a tag and seeing how it evolves can do no real harm (other than giving HopelessN00b more work if it ends up needing cleanup).  If the questions are coming I'm sure the usage will follow. Even if it gets used for a different purpose than originally defined, that just means we should adjust the definition." CreationDate="2015-02-12T13:39:57.323" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16947" PostId="7922" Score="5" Text="Dude can you quit spamming the front page with migrations ! We generally request that people who are going to push loads of stuff onto the front page rate limit themselves so as to not push new questions out of site. I think we'd be grateful if you did the same." CreationDate="2015-02-13T17:36:36.010" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="16948" PostId="7922" Score="2" Text="@Iain Alternatively, the &quot;tag-bitch&quot; mod here is pretty good at covertly retagging and retagging off-hours so the efforts most fly under the radar.  Shog could ask him to do it.  I hear he takes payment in beer, Scotch and/or Irish whiskey." CreationDate="2015-02-13T17:49:24.263" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16949" PostId="7922" Score="0" Text="Dumping 50 questions, some of which are questionably tagged, over to SF has now made me ignore that tag. Well done." CreationDate="2015-02-13T17:51:21.043" UserId="75118" />
  <row Id="16950" PostId="7922" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b I guess that you also check if the tags good or not too rather than blindly retagging." CreationDate="2015-02-13T17:53:33.850" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="16951" PostId="7922" Score="2" Text="None of these are migrated, @Iain - just retagged. And they could use a bit of review from folks who have a better idea of what they're doing here. I'll let Community bump a pile of questions in a bit to restore some variety to the homepage, but if you could take a few minutes to look over what's there now I think it could be beneficial." CreationDate="2015-02-13T17:56:11.023" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="16934" PostId="7923" Score="5" Text="http://cdn3.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/gg/up/sshot4ec6afd96b063.jpg" CreationDate="2015-02-11T22:59:36.867" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="16937" PostId="7923" Score="4" Text="Yeah, not overly worried about dumping - as I said, they've been pretty good about treating Stack Overflow as a way of serving users who already want to ask there, and I expect to see the same from SF." CreationDate="2015-02-12T01:13:05.450" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="16940" PostId="7924" Score="5" Text="[Redirect, Change URLs or Redirect HTTP to HTTPS in Apache - Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Mod_Rewrite Rules but Were Afraid to Ask](http://serverfault.com/questions/214512/redirect-change-urls-or-redirect-http-to-https-in-apache-everything-you-ever)???" CreationDate="2015-02-13T01:23:51.343" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16942" PostId="7925" Score="0" Text="I agree with this (but also with Iains reduced number), but do we have any chance to get this done by the CMs? I might be wrong and stopped caring at some point, but I always had the impression that privilege thresholds on all network sites where modeled after the activity pattern of [SO] and carved in stone afterwards..." CreationDate="2015-02-13T11:38:26.063" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="16944" PostId="7925" Score="1" Text="@Sven if you look on mSE, you can find a couple threads were the SO folks suggested (and got) the rep threshold bumped for SO and mSO.  With SO being a special snowflake and all, that no guarantee they'll do the same for us, but it does show that it's at least technically possible for them to do so." CreationDate="2015-02-13T14:33:07.003" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17044" PostId="7925" Score="1" Text="Just don't raise it beyond _my_ rep :)" CreationDate="2015-02-23T01:32:50.720" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="16941" PostId="7926" Score="4" Text="Taking myself as an example, I think 1000 is a high enough threshold. I'd find it odd/unfortunate if I was unable to create tags..." CreationDate="2015-02-13T10:57:39.850" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16943" PostId="7926" Score="7" Text="+1 for 1000 to 1500. There's a tradeoff here between eliminating worthless tags and granting access to a useful organization tool. I'm of the opinion we'd significantly reduce lousy tags at 1000 rep without putting new tags out of reach of the majority of contributors." CreationDate="2015-02-13T13:51:33.903" UserId="205065" />
  <row Id="16952" PostId="7926" Score="5" Text="Another +1 for 1000-1500 here. I think that users with that rep must know what a tag is and how it should be used." CreationDate="2015-02-14T12:36:30.803" UserId="125925" />
  <row Id="16953" PostId="7926" Score="4" Text="I like 1000, too." CreationDate="2015-02-14T14:50:46.813" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="16983" PostId="7926" Score="0" Text="20 percent is not a bad ratio for a taxonomy without rules.  I suspect that further limiting the creation of tags will likely mean untagged or mistagged items.  It's probably easy to fix an item tagged &quot;fixed&quot;, &quot;width&quot; as fixed-width, not so much when it's tagged &quot;unix&quot;" CreationDate="2015-02-19T04:13:31.413" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="16945" PostId="7927" Score="0" Text="I agree with you on that. But giving the people pointers does not work well on SF because it becomes a deluge of comments. A lot of people answer when pointed to this *nice resource for that particular problem* is along the lines of &quot;I saw that but MY problem is special and is not covered&quot;. It is of course covered but they don't have the pre-requisite to understand it or they are curses with one of today's man disease of the &quot;quick fit pill&quot;." CreationDate="2015-02-13T14:41:43.220" UserId="99871" />
  <row Id="16946" PostId="7927" Score="3" Text="@ETL They are the people who most need to learn how to do it for themselves. Give an answer that you know is correct and leads to a resolution with some effort on the OPS part, ignore the whingeing. Leave an answer - move on (possibly) harsh but the right thing to do to make in internet better." CreationDate="2015-02-13T14:44:23.190" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="16954" PostId="7927" Score="1" Text="I've always felt that sites like this should be in the business of fishing rods rather than fishes, so to speak." CreationDate="2015-02-15T16:10:24.647" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="16962" PostId="7929" Score="4" Text="I'm imagining an unsuspecting community manager at a watering hole in a nature documentary.  Run little gazelle, run!" CreationDate="2015-02-17T03:42:20.410" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="16963" PostId="7929" Score="1" Text="I never thought of the Noob as a gazelle but those CMs are really something ;)" CreationDate="2015-02-17T15:37:24.430" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="16968" PostId="7931" Score="0" Text="why are administration panels off-topic?" CreationDate="2015-02-18T22:13:35.203" UserId="2321" />
  <row Id="16972" PostId="7931" Score="1" Text="@warren Web panels are not system administration, they are using a web app. This also refers http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6538/is-it-time-to-kill-problematic-tags-like-cpanel-plesk-whm-and-webmin" CreationDate="2015-02-18T22:31:15.190" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="16973" PostId="7931" Score="6" Text="@warren Because it says they are in the on-topic help guide. And what Iain said. How to click into the hostname field on a LAMP administration panel and type in your webserver's desired hostname is in no way system administration. By even allowing these questions to be asked and answered, we just invite more crappy questions about *&quot;halp i got a vps and i don't know how to server, plz to be explain the cpanel 2 me kthx bai&quot;*, to the point that we literally have many thousands of this type of question, and the general consensus among the community is that we can't kill them fast enough." CreationDate="2015-02-18T22:35:45.523" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16982" PostId="7931" Score="3" Text="To further clarify, questions must provide value to future users. Problems that are specific to the point of not applying to others in the future is not a useful question by Stack Exchange standards. The question might not get closed if there were some particularly heroic (and applicable) answers that were submitted if they could help others, but this is not one of those cases." CreationDate="2015-02-19T00:07:07.373" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="16969" PostId="7932" Score="6" Text="You're too emotionally invested if you're using phrasing such as *&quot;corrupting the site in this manner&quot;*. Disagreement is fine, so is bringing a perceived problem to the attention of the community. But please check your indignation at the door." CreationDate="2015-02-18T22:25:50.340" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="16971" PostId="7932" Score="3" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/7880/what-bad-tags-in-need-of-burnination-do-we-still-have-hanging-around is probably relates. What is hpsa and why is hp not good?" CreationDate="2015-02-18T22:26:28.830" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="16984" PostId="7932" Score="2" Text="I have only recall coming across one of those questions http://serverfault.com/questions/138836/how-can-order-of-ip-addresses-issued-be-controlled, which had no connection with HP whatsoever. In order for a tag to be useful, it has to be clear to everybody what it means (ambiguous tags are not useful). And it has to be used correctly." CreationDate="2015-02-19T08:13:05.877" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17017" PostId="7932" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b Some of your points would actually be better addressed by hierarchical tags. I don't know if such a thing exists on stackexchange or whether there is a feature request for it. But it surely would be useful if all the tags for individual windows versions could be nested beneath the windows tag." CreationDate="2015-02-19T18:11:59.953" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17018" PostId="7932" Score="2" Text="@kasperd Stack Exchange does not support hierarchical or nested tags, no.  Quite a shame, if you ask me.  It would solve a lot of the tagging problems I'm currently trudging my way through." CreationDate="2015-02-19T18:14:23.940" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16985" PostId="7934" Score="3" Text="I for one would like a vote on re-instituting the scrub tag. Clearly it is relevant for systems administration and just didn't get no love from the community." CreationDate="2015-02-19T08:56:28.863" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="16986" PostId="7934" Score="2" Text="@Reaces To be honest, I laughed when I saw it, and almost left it alone just for that reason." CreationDate="2015-02-19T09:01:03.637" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16989" PostId="7934" Score="0" Text="While coming of as a joke, I'm actually half-serious. Easter Eggs, that are obviously Easter Eggs, can bring some sorely lacking levity to otherwise serious environments. I would gladly favorite the tag, and monitor it to make sure that any question that uses it is edited and the tag replaced by a relevant one (or removed)." CreationDate="2015-02-19T09:12:33.263" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17015" PostId="7934" Score="0" Text="@Reaces I agree, but with ~5,000 tags to get through, and as a result of the recent connectivity glitches, 10,000 questions in need of my attention somewhat quickly  (damn you, SE!!!), I don't really have time to consider leaving Easter Eggs around. [Right now, I'm more interested in undoing the 49 Server Fault experts on off-topic that my efforts, coupled with the connectivity glitches have created](http://serverfault.com/help/badges/333/off-topic).  *&lt;sigh&gt;*" CreationDate="2015-02-19T17:30:48.580" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17016" PostId="7934" Score="0" Text="I understand, I'll keep it in the nice to have queue for &quot;maybe someday&quot;. You can expect me to probably create it back in a few months when the cleanup is _hopefully_ done. If there are no objections at least." CreationDate="2015-02-19T17:33:43.327" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17019" PostId="7934" Score="2" Text="@HopelessN00b I'm sorry, I probably shouldn't laugh, but I find the idea of being an expert in &quot;off-topic&quot; HILARIOUS.  I was disappointed to not find myself there.  :)" CreationDate="2015-02-19T19:17:56.023" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17020" PostId="7934" Score="3" Text="@KatherineVillyard Purely because you haven't been around long enough to have a bunch of answers in questions that were once tagged `war-stories` or `career` and such.  If it were a *real* tag, I'd be happy to fiddle with question tags to make you an off-topic expert. :)" CreationDate="2015-02-19T19:23:41.777" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16990" PostId="7936" Score="0" Text="For that matter, SOA-record should probably be merged into one of the tags for DNS zones. Good eye... I'll have to think about the whole SOA thing for a little bit." CreationDate="2015-02-19T11:05:43.890" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="16994" PostId="7937" Score="0" Text="I noticed you tweaking the query to get these results in data.stackexchange. One thing that stands out is that about 10-15% of the results had wikis only for one of the two tags. Here you could prioritize the ones that have a wiki, and make the ones without a wiki a synonym of the first." CreationDate="2015-02-19T14:07:33.900" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17005" PostId="7937" Score="2" Text="Just as an FYI, many tags with a singular and a plural form mean different things in their different form (or the questions tagged with them do), so there's that to look out for, both when merging, and when deciding on which form to keep as the master tag. To point 3, the rule of thumb is keep edits that bump old content to around 2 an hour (or less).  If you can keep it to that rate, feel free.  If you can't, leave it to the tag-bitch mod. (Me.)" CreationDate="2015-02-19T15:11:06.983" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17006" PostId="7937" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b, that's right. We should aware there is some false positive from the query above. For that, I have do some [basic filtering by looking at tag name](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/7938/218590). Maybe other users can add feedback about tag pairs that should been kept or give feedback how  we should decide master tag" CreationDate="2015-02-19T15:18:23.610" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="17007" PostId="7937" Score="0" Text="As a point of interest to any badge-hunters out there, there are at least 3 badges for working with tags in general, one of which is so rare, that only 3 people on all of Server Fault have it.  So, that might be worth considering.  On that note, I'm not 100% clear on the mechanism behind who gets credit for a tag's creation, but sometimes creating the tag wiki, if it doesn't have one already, will trigger credit to the person who created the wiki (and sometimes it won't), but something worth considering if you want a taxonomist badge." CreationDate="2015-02-19T15:20:12.403" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17008" PostId="7937" Score="1" Text="@masegaloeh On that note, many of these dual tags with different forms still exist because one form has a high concentration of questions which should be assigned to a specific, different existing tag instead (`host` is a great example).  It usually makes my life easier to keep avoid merging these tags together into a bigger group until I'm done filtering through for questions that need to be moved out... so if it take a while, well, that's because it's going to take a while to get the site's tags into any semblance of usefulness.  As they say, Rome wasn't tagged in a day." CreationDate="2015-02-19T15:25:09.803" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17014" PostId="7937" Score="0" Text="@Reaces [I think you're making the same mistake I did, once upon a time](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/3566/118258)." CreationDate="2015-02-19T17:21:01.993" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17021" PostId="7937" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Looking at it further this is apparently by design. [Tag creators are obfuscated](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/6822/276684) To prevent people from gaming the system for badges. Which seems odd to me, considering the limited importance of badges them warranting censoring the creators names. Regardless... thx for the link." CreationDate="2015-02-19T19:31:17.757" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17042" PostId="7937" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b what badges are those? Which one is the rarest?" CreationDate="2015-02-22T15:56:33.663" UserId="15440" />
  <row Id="17043" PostId="7937" Score="2" Text="@pepoluan, maybe he means [Taxonomist](http://serverfault.com/help/badges/11/taxonomist), [Tag Editor](http://serverfault.com/help/badges/89/tag-editor) and [Research Assistant](http://serverfault.com/help/badges/177/research-assistant). The rarest one is **Research Assistant**." CreationDate="2015-02-22T16:05:34.473" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="17027" PostId="7938" Score="0" Text="FYI, I've unwikied your answers (and there's a reason for that), but more importantly, keep in mind that the data you get from the SE data query is a few days stale, and I'm pounding away at this, so your lists will probably lag behind reality by a little bit." CreationDate="2015-02-20T07:02:39.957" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17028" PostId="7938" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I'm already checking every tag by clicking it one by one :). I'll try updating the cleanup progress here." CreationDate="2015-02-20T07:05:07.503" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="17049" PostId="7938" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure [tag:guides] and [tag:guid] should be considered synonymous…" CreationDate="2015-02-23T16:17:30.793" UserId="86325" />
  <row Id="17052" PostId="7938" Score="0" Text="Hi @owen, as I said above, 'guides' tags was deleted and 'guid' tag stay." CreationDate="2015-02-23T21:41:23.873" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="17062" PostId="7938" Score="1" Text="@masegaloeh I can see that. But [tag:guides] is _not_ a plural for [tag:guid]; they are unrelated words." CreationDate="2015-02-24T12:13:17.667" UserId="86325" />
  <row Id="17063" PostId="7938" Score="0" Text="@owen, yes I'm aware of that. The query was too naive and stupid to detect this. I've edited above post to make it clear about false positive results" CreationDate="2015-02-24T12:50:58.257" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="17023" PostId="7942" Score="0" Text="That's not what I understood from reading it. Regardless it's more likely that my limited experience with setting cookies is wrong than it is that two other people considering it an answer are wrong, so I'll just carry on. Thx for the answer." CreationDate="2015-02-19T21:09:13.570" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17029" PostId="7944" Score="13" Text="[I'm HopelessN00b, and I approve this message](http://i.stack.imgur.com/Pxiu5.png). A meta topic about me being a jerk is probably a good thing to have around to point people at.  Better yet, maybe we need to add something to the SeverFault tour.  ~`Warning, beware of N00b!  N00b WILL bite`." CreationDate="2015-02-20T07:21:37.123" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17030" PostId="7944" Score="7" Text="@HopelessN00b We can even make this a canonical question!" CreationDate="2015-02-20T12:20:21.917" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17025" PostId="7945" Score="10" Text="ZOMG!  The power has gone to your head and the site is doomed!  Doomed! I tell you!  All the warnings were correct!!!!!" CreationDate="2015-02-20T06:51:35.030" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="17026" PostId="7945" Score="6" Text="@Ward Hey, you guys have no one to blame but yourselves. Not like every other Stack Exchange employee didn't warn you. :)" CreationDate="2015-02-20T06:53:56.143" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17031" PostId="7945" Score="1" Text="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWdfRRtAs3o  ;)" CreationDate="2015-02-20T19:33:12.163" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17032" PostId="7945" Score="3" Text="One downvote, I wonder where that came from." CreationDate="2015-02-20T19:49:25.230" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17051" PostId="7948" Score="3" Text="Notifications for comments on deleted posts aren't deleted - they persist in the inbox." CreationDate="2015-02-23T21:19:14.010" UserId="108287" />
  <row Id="17099" PostId="7948" Score="0" Text="they assuredly do not show in the inbox when deleted anymore. it's been fixed since some weeks, if I recall correctly." CreationDate="2015-03-04T20:33:58.253" UserId="74260" />
  <row Id="17033" PostId="7949" Score="2" Text="`they are different questions trying to solve the same question` I don't understand this. Is it like a light and dark way of resolving a quest? What's going on here!" CreationDate="2015-02-21T20:28:22.973" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17035" PostId="7949" Score="0" Text="@Reaces: I'll give an example. Lets say you have a '%' you want to display to the user in your console app. You can ask &quot;How do I replace/print the percentage on the first line of my console window without messing up the lines below&quot;. That might sound like nonsense. Another way is to ask &quot;How do I change the title of my console app&quot; which has a more simple solution and solves your problem on how to display the percentage to the user. My question today was about how to make self signed certs work and the question yesterday was on signing cert with DNS keys (which may not be the correct way)" CreationDate="2015-02-21T20:33:49.357" UserDisplayName="user274" />
  <row Id="17037" PostId="7949" Score="4" Text="The problem is that neither of your questions is clear enough to ascertain what you're actually trying to achieve. Please, rather than responding to this comment, spend the time clarifying your questions." CreationDate="2015-02-21T20:49:22.293" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17038" PostId="7949" Score="0" Text="@Iain: My first question there was one person who knew exactly what I was asking. I don't know what the confusion is to anyone who has an idea about the subject. But that doesn't answer this question about why are we locking on topic questions because there is a poorly written off topic question that looks similar. I don't think there would be a problem if we weren't locking questions without thinking" CreationDate="2015-02-21T20:52:10.133" UserDisplayName="user274" />
  <row Id="17040" PostId="7949" Score="1" Text="Since it's such a big deal to you, I have changed the close reason on that question.  It is now closed for being unclear what you're asking.  My advice about fixing your questions so other people can understand what you're asking about still stands.  This probably would be a better use of your time than, for example, antagonizing the moderators by flagging their comments as rude or offensive." CreationDate="2015-02-21T21:07:56.573" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17034" PostId="7950" Score="0" Text="I'm not convinced they are the same question and I clearly searched before asking and included a result from my search" CreationDate="2015-02-21T20:28:35.960" UserDisplayName="user274" />
  <row Id="17036" PostId="7950" Score="4" Text="@acidzombie24 Well, as I said, improve one or both of your questions so it's more clear what you're asking.  This might require some independent learning on your part... you seem to be fundamentally confused about some of the concepts you're asking about." CreationDate="2015-02-21T20:34:17.323" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17054" PostId="7953" Score="0" Text="If there are no tags in the question because of burninated-tag-ritual or deleted by system (because of 6 months inactivity), then the question will be tagged with special tag: `untagged`" CreationDate="2015-02-23T23:18:23.490" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="17045" PostId="7954" Score="1" Text="Thanks, this helps." CreationDate="2015-02-23T14:01:11.190" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="17050" PostId="7954" Score="12" Text="`Believe it or not, moderators don't just click buttons randomly.`  Stop stifling my moderation style, dammit." CreationDate="2015-02-23T16:32:18.300" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17053" PostId="7955" Score="2" Text="Edit it so it's not asking &quot;what's best,&quot; but &quot;what do I need to consider&quot;/&quot;how do I pick.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-02-23T23:09:13.590" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17061" PostId="7955" Score="1" Text="Although I do have vague memories of a discussion a while back where it was concluded that we'd be sympathetic to &quot;best practice&quot; questions, particularly if answers were backed by evidence." CreationDate="2015-02-24T08:38:56.940" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17067" PostId="7957" Score="1" Text="OK. I just posted a community wiki question as a candidate: http://serverfault.com/questions/671223/install-software-from-packages-or-build-it-from-source ." CreationDate="2015-02-25T07:45:40.017" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="17057" PostId="7959" Score="5" Text="OK, have it your way.  You're right. Democracy is a total failure.  Meanwhile, the small army of us who voted for you in the clear knowledge of your platform will keep on watching the **immense** amount of mod work you're putting in on things like improving the tag system and tidying up hundreds - if not thousands, by now - of old questions, whilst still keeping a diligent eye on the front page for ordinarily bad questions.  A total failure of democracy if ever I saw one, that." CreationDate="2015-02-24T07:14:15.510" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17058" PostId="7959" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter Exception that proves the rule, then. :)" CreationDate="2015-02-24T07:16:34.253" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17064" PostId="7959" Score="0" Text="But isn't that unfair to close a question because you don't like it? Someone out there needs and answer and this is where they get their help. @HopelessN00b" CreationDate="2015-02-24T16:31:12.757" UserId="272946" />
  <row Id="17065" PostId="7959" Score="3" Text="@Jeff you asked for an explanation of when people are allowed to close (on hold) a question, so that's what I answered.  When it's &quot;fair&quot; to close a question is an entirely different, and largely irrelevant question.  Like everything else in life, people are rarely fair, so it's a theoretical discussion at best." CreationDate="2015-02-24T17:07:18.757" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17066" PostId="7960" Score="2" Text="I've sliced it down from 10.6k to... the 9.8k it's at now in less than a week, so it'll be gone or reduced to a smaller collection of no-valid-tag, but historically-significant questions in... well, a few months or so, given current rates." CreationDate="2015-02-25T03:28:32.633" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17068" PostId="7960" Score="0" Text="Would it be possible to look at older statistics? What I mean is, because of the [fairly recent](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/7880/what-bad-tags-in-need-of-burnination-do-we-still-have-hanging-around) start of the [off-topic](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/off-topic) tag, a database backup from 2 months ago would allow for you to get valid statistics without the skewed / tainted results." CreationDate="2015-02-25T08:52:39.380" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17069" PostId="7960" Score="1" Text="Even if I did that, @Reaces, it still wouldn't give an accurate picture. Although he did it in a profoundly odd way, Hopeless was performing some much-needed cleanup - a good number of the tags that existed two weeks ago probably shouldn't have. The problem is, *right now* we don't know which ones were needed and which ones weren't - once we've sorted through the 8K or so questions that currently have NO valid tags and given them valid tags (creating new ones as needed) then we'll have a better picture (unfortunately, one not connected to the data that previously existed)." CreationDate="2015-02-25T16:52:34.123" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17071" PostId="7960" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 I don't think I fully understand. As the re-tagging and tag-cleanup efforts in part caused this request, wouldn't it be best to review the situation before the clean-up? As HopelessN00b indicated that a possible reason for the bad tags he's cleaning up is the lower rep threshold required to create them. It would be kind of ironic that the cleanup efforts end up with a picture of only good tags from low rep users. While data from before december would clearly show the `hundreds of garbage tags with only a handful of questions` that he cleaned up since." CreationDate="2015-02-26T08:47:58.927" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17417" PostId="7960" Score="2" Text="I suppose it's too late now, and perhaps this was the point, but I'd been using that tag as a group of questions that needed review and action, and at least one normal user had been using it to mine flags (VTC), since it was primarily admin panel questions, with a significant minority of other atrocious, unsalvagable tags.  Oh well." CreationDate="2015-04-10T13:50:25.590" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17074" PostId="7963" Score="3" Text="If the question was about how to configure Apache to protect phpmyadmin, instead of how to use phpmyadmin or deal with its effects, then it was on-topic." CreationDate="2015-02-27T07:28:49.087" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="17852" PostId="7963" Score="0" Text="Roll a die.&#xA;&#xA;4 or greater == on topic.&#xA;exactly 3 == dubious &#xA;2 or lower == off topic&#xA;&#xA;Solution if off-topic: select any of the half dozen other stack exchanges where it would be arguably on-topic and assume they repeat the same process as above (you may see the question being bounced back)." CreationDate="2015-04-30T10:31:18.043" UserId="160741" />
  <row Id="17072" PostId="7964" Score="0" Text="i'm aware that those users who ought to read the FAQ most likely won't. i'm more concerned about people like me who direct ot-posters to other SE-sites (assuming that those who care enough to review and QA postings, will also read the FAQ)." CreationDate="2015-02-26T21:09:32.373" UserId="118549" />
  <row Id="17073" PostId="7964" Score="1" Text="I know enough about cPanel to be able to disentangle a web site from it and move it to a properly built server. But as for the ongoing alien invasion from Stack Overflow, that's a whole other issue and a discussion of that really won't fit in this comment box." CreationDate="2015-02-27T04:33:21.790" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17079" PostId="7964" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton i wonder why you bring up *cPanel*; my question has nothing to do with it. the *cPanel* case is covered well in the FAQ, my question is more about management interfaces that are *not* cPanel (or the like)" CreationDate="2015-03-01T19:55:34.433" UserId="118549" />
  <row Id="17080" PostId="7964" Score="2" Text="@umläute OK... how about this? phpMyAdmin is a crutch for people who can't be bothered to learn even the most basic SQL, and most often just either gets in the way, or poses a security risk since it goes unmaintained." CreationDate="2015-03-01T19:59:26.650" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17076" PostId="7965" Score="1" Text="I'm not native english, so please forgive this followup question. What's the difference between asking this and, for example, asking `could you give me an example of a linux cluster for Apache Mesos`? To me it looks very much like asking for a jump-start tutorial for setting up a MesoSphere, but again `architectural design` might be throwing me off." CreationDate="2015-02-27T11:34:24.347" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17077" PostId="7965" Score="0" Text="@Reaces Updated the question for clarification." CreationDate="2015-02-27T11:56:01.353" UserId="233752" />
  <row Id="17078" PostId="7966" Score="4" Text="I would also be inclined to interpret every upvote to this answer as a potential close vote." CreationDate="2015-02-27T21:19:19.573" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17083" PostId="7969" Score="0" Text="I was hoping @Sven would post the answer so that I could accept it, but this will do." CreationDate="2015-03-03T01:11:17.383" UserId="219235" />
  <row Id="17087" PostId="7969" Score="0" Text="Needs an upvote to be considered answered" CreationDate="2015-03-03T07:42:23.333" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17082" PostId="7971" Score="2" Text="I don't see the relevance, either to your question or to any recently asked question that I have read." CreationDate="2015-03-03T00:16:20.620" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17086" PostId="7971" Score="2" Text="Your Q&amp;A is very abstract it's unclear what you're asking so voting to close appropriately." CreationDate="2015-03-03T04:52:07.687" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17088" PostId="7971" Score="2" Text="Either I missed it, but I'd expect the first comment to be &quot;Well did you contact the vendor of metal detector ABC?&quot;. And if the answer is no, I'd down-vote. Especially if the vendor has a forum that is used daily and well maintained. Like, say social.technet.microsoft.com." CreationDate="2015-03-03T08:58:04.280" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17091" PostId="7971" Score="0" Text="WOW, apparently ServerFault is _completely different_ in its expectations than other StackExchange sites. At places like StackOverflow and others, the purpose of the main site is to help people, and the purpose of the meta site is to discuss the purpose of the main site (y'know, to be _meta_, as the name implies). I suppose I should not be surprised though, looking at other meta posts it seems that if you take a batch of the good ones, half of them are upvoted a lot and the other half of good ones are downvoted a lot. It must depend on the current mood of the regulars here." CreationDate="2015-03-03T20:23:39.697" UserId="84673" />
  <row Id="17097" PostId="7971" Score="4" Text="Yes, Server Fault *is* ***completely*** different in its expectations than other Stack Exchange sites are. Having said that, there's really no need to single out any community member, let alone the one you did.  This question was closed with 5 community member votes, and for the reason that they felt it was unclear. We also know that at least 5 community members disagreed with it or thought it was not useful, from the downvotes, and at least 7 agreed with AndrewB's answer stating you need need a specific example in your question. Clearly this is not a case of a single user's feelings/opinions." CreationDate="2015-03-03T22:36:05.343" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17084" PostId="7972" Score="0" Text="It looks like you submitted this as a self Q&amp;A, which suggests that you came here to present an opinion. Do you have an example of this?" CreationDate="2015-03-03T02:40:58.860" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17090" PostId="7972" Score="0" Text="I DID tag this as a discussion, which was one of the top tags available. Also, I have seen lots of meta posts in which people come here with an opinion and expect other people to present their opinions." CreationDate="2015-03-03T20:17:33.363" UserId="84673" />
  <row Id="17085" PostId="7973" Score="0" Text="http://serverfault.com/q/672278/118258" CreationDate="2015-03-03T03:57:20.427" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17094" PostId="7973" Score="0" Text="I _did_ give a specific example. I gave you what is the meta-equivalent of a CCSSE, which is something that we specifically harp on people to do over at StackOverflow. What you're asking for is not a specific example, but an example of such a question _as it was asked on ServerFault which included a reaction that we can discuss_. If you want the one I had in mind, @HopelessN00b just linked it in the above comment. Thank you again HopelessN00b. At least you flagged that one and commented on that one more professionally than what I'm seeing here." CreationDate="2015-03-03T20:41:54.397" UserId="84673" />
  <row Id="17095" PostId="7973" Score="0" Text="Andrew, it does not really matter that my example &quot;doesn't really fit within the ServerFault subject matter.&quot; That is irrelevant. In fact, I specifically chose that example for that very reason. I was originally writing an example with widgets and sprockets, but I thought the metal detector thing would work better since it is easier to think about. What I gave was a specific example, and I would expect any rational, professional person to see how it applies just as much as the linked question above, unless the person is a robot." CreationDate="2015-03-03T20:46:05.147" UserId="84673" />
  <row Id="17096" PostId="7973" Score="4" Text="You're too emotionally engaged, or at least that's what I'm gathering from the *&quot;more professionally than what I'm seeing here&quot;* remark. I don't think we're going to get anywhere with this dialogue and I'm simply going to end it here." CreationDate="2015-03-03T21:06:50.070" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17089" PostId="7975" Score="1" Text="FYI (mod-only link, use TL for any discussion): http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/19983268#19983268" CreationDate="2015-03-03T13:17:56.453" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="17101" PostId="7975" Score="3" Text="`Cheap workaround: Maybe just add a few bogus comments.` - Or just create a room and post the link?" CreationDate="2015-03-05T04:55:20.923" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="17102" PostId="7976" Score="2" Text="Gotta d/v this. The message specifically says ***To answer it, you must have earned at least 10 reputation on this site.*** You haven't *earned* 10 rep on this site, you have _earned_ rep on other sites in the network and 100 rep was _given_ to you on this site because of that." CreationDate="2015-03-09T15:44:45.747" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17108" PostId="7976" Score="0" Text="&quot;You've **earned** a bonus 100 reputation because we trust you on other sites on this network&quot;" CreationDate="2015-03-09T19:59:04.680" UserId="237601" />
  <row Id="17109" PostId="7976" Score="1" Text="I agree,  SE should really change the wording on that comment, because it's slight inaccurate as we see." CreationDate="2015-03-09T20:02:49.273" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17103" PostId="7977" Score="0" Text="Yes, the actual answer is buried in the comments, and is not the &quot;accepted&quot; answer." CreationDate="2015-03-09T18:32:16.813" UserId="237601" />
  <row Id="17104" PostId="7977" Score="1" Text="@iopq Which comment?  Adding an answer, which will be ignored for its votes count, and that is already there as a comment isn't a great solution to that situation, either." CreationDate="2015-03-09T18:35:14.927" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17105" PostId="7977" Score="0" Text="The comment that says &quot;Just installed Scala on my PC but the PATH did not update; presumably the MSI did not broadcast the WM_SETTINGCHANGE message. I added a dummy SYSTEM variable i.e. CHANGE_TO_UPDATE=z, that I update to trigger the WM_SETTINGCHANGE message - problem solved&quot; is the one that solved my issue. I've upvoted the comment but it's not even close to the #1 comment." CreationDate="2015-03-09T18:37:01.527" UserId="237601" />
  <row Id="17106" PostId="7977" Score="3" Text="@iopq The KB article linked in the accepted answer does, in fact, contain a method to send a `WM_SETTINGCHANGE` broadcast message, which is the same thing that the process outlined in the comment does, just in a slightly different way. It seems to me like it should be a comment on that answer, rather than a new answer, and it's also a lot more likely to be seen as a comment on the accepted answer, that it would be as an answer of its own, below all the other ones." CreationDate="2015-03-09T18:47:48.237" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17107" PostId="7977" Score="0" Text="That's not useful, you have to write a program to do it. I don't even have a compiler on this box. The other workaround works from the UI, you don't have to write code. That's a completely different use case." CreationDate="2015-03-09T19:37:14.337" UserId="237601" />
  <row Id="17111" PostId="7977" Score="2" Text="I agree, it's the same answer at its core @iopq, just adding more information, which is what comments are for, and it's at the OPs (the one who wrote the answer) discretion if they want to edit their answer to include the information. If, for example, there is another way to answer the OPs problem, for example by using powershell to run some hidden cmdlet, then that would warrant a separate answer.  For reference,  answers that do nothing more than restate an existing answer (which usually is just an attempt to gain rep) are frowned upon and usually have the *opposite* of the intended effect." CreationDate="2015-03-09T20:15:40.933" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17112" PostId="7977" Score="1" Text="@iopq I'm not especially inclined to do so, as I have other things that need my intention, but given the whole PowerShell &lt;=&gt; .NET thing, I bet it would be fairly easy to pull off that code snippet inside a PowerShell script." CreationDate="2015-03-09T20:39:39.990" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17126" PostId="7980" Score="3" Text="I've found an axe to be a very useful part of my sysadmin toolkit, starting way back when I was a spammer-hunting postmaster." CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:05:04.787" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17143" PostId="7980" Score="1" Text="@JennyD: This sounds like a job where you want a tactical nuke instead of an axe. As a first response tool." CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:17:46.583" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17151" PostId="7980" Score="3" Text="@Sven Indeed. If we'd nuked them from orbit back in the 90's, the internet would be a better place..." CreationDate="2015-03-17T17:02:02.873" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17137" PostId="7981" Score="3" Text="in the future, just use our [placeholder john q domain](http://serverfault.com/search?q=brazzers) to avoid any confusion." CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:53:44.500" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17138" PostId="7981" Score="7" Text="@BigHomie I would have done so, but it would be nearly impossible to help with the problem without a specific domain name in mind." CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:59:10.330" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="17142" PostId="7981" Score="16" Text="@BigHomie When people want to use a placeholder, they should use `example.com` (or .net, .org, or .whatever)." CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:11:11.283" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17144" PostId="7981" Score="4" Text="@JennyD You're right, shame on them. The RFC clearly states that's what example.com is for." CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:18:25.687" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17175" PostId="7981" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately, trying to evade crawlers by using imaged text without an `alt`-text description is also bad for accessibility. I encourage you to make an effort to write your questions without resorting to such a bad practice. Try to rephrase the question without the specific domain name. If you really must include a domain name then try to use `example.&lt;TLD&gt;`-style domain names instead of one that you're actually trying to keep private." CreationDate="2015-03-18T08:24:37.063" UserId="114908" />
  <row Id="17178" PostId="7981" Score="1" Text="@JamesHaigh it would be nearly impossible to troubleshoot this problem without the domain name stated. Now that the problem has been solved I will switch to example.com." CreationDate="2015-03-18T11:46:29.953" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="17184" PostId="7981" Score="2" Text="That's because you've written it like a support query rather than a [Q&amp;A-style question](https://serverfault.com/tour). If it's impossible for you to troubleshoot without your specific domain then how is it possible for anyone else to use it to troubleshoot _their_ similar problem? Questions are meant to be well-researched, useful, and clear – I don't think that ([currently](https://serverfault.com/revisions/676070/12)) your question is either of those. If the question is appropriate for the Q&amp;A format then it really should be possible to rephrase it to be more generic." CreationDate="2015-03-18T19:45:30.657" UserId="114908" />
  <row Id="17186" PostId="7981" Score="3" Text="@JamesHaigh When it comes to trouble-shooting certificate issues, it's usually hard to do without seeing the actual certificate - just as trouble-shooting DNS issues is hard to do without the ability to lookup the actual zone. Once the issue has been found, it may be possible to rewrite the question, or at least the answer, to be more generic." CreationDate="2015-03-19T09:32:39.010" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17187" PostId="7981" Score="0" Text="@JamesHaigh as Jenny concurred, it would have been impossible to effectively help w/o the specific domain name. The important thing is that now that the domain has been removed the Q&amp;A still provide enough value to the next user that has a similar problem. In other words, it IS possible that in cases which tshooting is possible only with a specific domain there can also be  value once said domain is removed." CreationDate="2015-03-19T13:27:58.327" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="17191" PostId="7981" Score="0" Text="@Jenny D: I thought that support queries were off-topic on Stack Exchange. If a question is _not_ a support query then it should be possible to rephrase it generically. In other words, if it's impossible to phrase a question generically then it should be off-topic on wiki-style Q&amp;A sites such as those of the Stack Exchange network." CreationDate="2015-03-20T01:13:27.183" UserId="114908" />
  <row Id="17192" PostId="7981" Score="0" Text="(With the exception of the meta sites, which of-course have the [tag:support] tag, as used by this support metaquestion.)" CreationDate="2015-03-20T01:28:25.687" UserId="114908" />
  <row Id="17193" PostId="7981" Score="4" Text="@JamesHaigh The help center says &quot;You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face.&quot; Which, IMO, implies that if you have an actual problem that can best be explained by including the actual configuration with which you have the problem, that is on-topic and encouraged. What part of the [help] do you base your &quot;support quieries were off-topic&quot; on?" CreationDate="2015-03-20T05:13:18.843" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17213" PostId="7981" Score="0" Text="@JamesHaigh: Note that SO and ServerFault both have [Google sponsored tags](http://serverfault.com/tags/google-cloud-platform/info), specifically for what most developers would call &quot;support queries&quot;.  If your point is that framing a Question to be more generally applicable improves it, then I agree with that up to the point that the Question remains specific enough to be answerable.  Striking this balance is difficult in the initial iterations of a problem." CreationDate="2015-03-21T13:56:27.717" UserId="126670" />
  <row Id="17121" PostId="7982" Score="0" Text="I don't care about a couple points but the downvotes could entice ppl to not care about the question as much. Aren't downvotes reserved for questions that don't fit SO's guidelines instead of questions that don't fit an editor's personal feelings?" CreationDate="2015-03-17T13:17:40.070" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="17122" PostId="7982" Score="6" Text="@Gaia Nope, with the exception of revenge-downvoting and sock-puppetry, people may vote however they wish, for whatever reasons they wish." CreationDate="2015-03-17T13:25:53.163" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17123" PostId="7982" Score="0" Text="Understood and accepted, although &quot;whatever reasons they wish&quot;, especially the last word, seem awfully subjective for this community - I am surprised. Thanks." CreationDate="2015-03-17T13:32:06.917" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="17124" PostId="7982" Score="7" Text="@Gaia I see your point, especially in this context. However, it's pretty much impossible to in any reliable and reasonably objective way monitor the reasons for any given vote. The only exceptions are the ones where it's possible to see from site data that someone is voting down or up a person rather than a question - i.e. where there are many votes for one person/question by accounts that can be correlated to a single user, or where one user consistently down- or upvotes another user. But apart from that - all votes are subjective to some extent, and the only recourse is voting differently." CreationDate="2015-03-17T13:57:57.010" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17125" PostId="7982" Score="0" Text="@Gaia See my reasoning in my answer. The question remains: do you really want this question to be well-indexed by the google, or not?" CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:04:07.713" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17140" PostId="7982" Score="7" Text="@peterh Why don't *you* ask Google before assuming? &quot;Try to use text instead of images to display important names, content, or links. The Google crawler doesn't recognize text contained in images. If you must use images for textual content, consider using the ALT attribute to include a few words of descriptive text.&quot; [source](https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/35769?hl=en)" CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:07:23.227" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="17127" PostId="7983" Score="0" Text="Ah! You thought I was trying to use my &quot;big and well-designed&quot; image to market my client's website. Now it all makes sense, to me and to at least 4 other ppl here." CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:17:47.020" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="17128" PostId="7983" Score="0" Text="@Gaia Honestly, I never wanted to make a such scandal from that. I've seen a logo, I quickly removed it, that was all. I also never wanted conflict with you. I ask again: do you really want this question to be well-indexed by the google, or not? (If I change my vote, it will be!)" CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:28:43.030" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17129" PostId="7983" Score="5" Text="@peterh If you didn't want conflict, you could have stopped the edit war a bit earlier." CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:32:27.260" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17130" PostId="7983" Score="0" Text="@JennyD Would you check the edit log again?" CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:33:06.570" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17131" PostId="7983" Score="10" Text="@peterh You made the same edit three times. That is a bit excessive." CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:36:11.560" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17132" PostId="7983" Score="0" Text="@Gaia Do you understand my question?" CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:38:14.983" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17133" PostId="7983" Score="0" Text="@JennyD Well, maybe. And what do you think? Do this company logo have a good place there?" CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:39:30.923" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17134" PostId="7983" Score="5" Text="Of course I do, but I am done discussing with you. Thank you for your oh-so-kind help with my privacy concerns by downvoting my question after inserting the FQDN into it 3 times. BTW 1: I didn't put the text in there the 1st time around. BTW 2: That is not the logo, pull up the site and see. BTW 3: If that's a well designed image I feel sorry for your sense of aesthetics. BTW 4: Meet my designer, http://www.text2image.com/" CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:41:47.327" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="17135" PostId="7983" Score="0" Text="@Gaia Ok. Then you want from me to change my vote, or won't? (I ask this fifth time from you.)" CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:47:56.810" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17136" PostId="7983" Score="10" Text="@peterh Quit holding your one, single vote over the OPs head. Just move on. You are making yourself look really bad. Just leave it be." CreationDate="2015-03-17T14:48:45.477" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17139" PostId="7983" Score="12" Text="-1, [The Google crawler doesn't recognize text contained in images. If you must use images for textual content, consider using the ALT attribute to include a few words of descriptive text.](https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/35769?hl=en)" CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:06:51.897" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17141" PostId="7983" Score="7" Text="And revisions aren't indexed by Google as well, see http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/57277/would-rel-nofollow-be-sensible-for-links-to-post-revisions" CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:10:16.717" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17145" PostId="7983" Score="0" Text="@EEAA Sorry, I don't understand. Maybe you want to say I shouldn't change my vote? This is what I will do." CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:19:55.593" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17146" PostId="7983" Score="4" Text="@peterh I think what he's expressing is that this has gone on too long and that your single vote isn't really the point of contention here." CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:24:34.327" UserId="256877" />
  <row Id="17147" PostId="7983" Score="0" Text="@BE77Y Okay, understood." CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:26:50.320" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17148" PostId="7983" Score="0" Text="@Sven I didn't know this, thank you." CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:27:21.063" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17149" PostId="7983" Score="0" Text="@BigHomie Thank you very much the first objective downvote in this thread. :-)" CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:28:59.950" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17173" PostId="7983" Score="4" Text="“Your domain name it already visible in the page history. _Your_ first version contained the textual domain name.” – Here's the [page history](https://serverfault.com/posts/676070/revisions). Where abouts is the textual domain name in [the first revision](https://serverfault.com/revisions/21300697-b078-4bdd-bf79-219e9d3eb663/view-source)?" CreationDate="2015-03-18T08:07:23.667" UserId="114908" />
  <row Id="17174" PostId="7983" Score="0" Text="@JamesHaigh It was part of a more complex URL. Currently, I also can't see that." CreationDate="2015-03-18T08:22:23.507" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17154" PostId="7984" Score="5" Text="The difference is that most questions are about resolving a problem. Contacting the vendor incurs costs in most cases, be it in support time, tickets spent or direct cost while the solution might be trivial. However you're asking for market research, which is not only not a real problem to be solved, it is very prone to change. If a problem has a resolution, that resolution is not going to change a year from now. There might be more ways to solve the problem by then, but still the original content is at its core valid. Asking what products Google offers may change over night." CreationDate="2015-03-17T19:23:22.363" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17152" PostId="7986" Score="1" Text="peterh: maybe you're reading too much into it. While the possibility exists that these down votes are personal it's also possible that these are from people who are just now finding the question. I've had plenty of &quot;drive by&quot; down votes on questions and answers that are 1, 2, 3 or more years old." CreationDate="2015-03-17T18:33:13.267" UserId="19152" />
  <row Id="17153" PostId="7986" Score="6" Text="Being very vocal with your opinions, and often going directly against the common consensus you can expect a lot of profile views. Which you have, 312 views over about a years time! That's a view nearly every day. And let's be honest, that question is bad. It doesn't show much research and doesn't really scream `professional` either. I'm sure if you posted this question as it is today, it would get the same treatment. If you want to be more vocal than most people, act like a politician and clean up your past? I'm pretty sure most meta visitors are voting based on the content, not the poster." CreationDate="2015-03-17T19:15:14.983" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17158" PostId="7986" Score="0" Text="@Reaces Next to my &quot;vocality&quot; I give a lot of upvoted answers as well. My reputation is coming mainly from answers, and my reputation/visit ratio is not exceptional. Your argumentation about my behavior is only explaining the personal revenge, but is not an excuse." CreationDate="2015-03-18T00:41:46.470" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17159" PostId="7986" Score="1" Text="@joeqwerty Then I would get upvotes too. But my experience is that if I post _anything_ into the meta, I get _exclusively_ downvotes." CreationDate="2015-03-18T00:43:56.730" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17160" PostId="7986" Score="3" Text="RE: meta, experience tells me that most of the people are voting based on topic and attitude, not who you are personally. That's certainly where my downvote comes from." CreationDate="2015-03-18T00:46:32.927" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17171" PostId="7986" Score="1" Text="@peterh My argumentation is trying to explain the added attention. The more you yell and shout, the more people will take notice of you. And because of this your bad questions / answers will see more downvotes, and your good ones more upvotes. Why do you immediately assume malice? Is it so hard to think that perhaps some of your content is not that good? Nobody disputes that you give a lot of answers. So why do you feel the need to defend yourself before anyone even mentions your reputation? It's really not helping your case if you get emotional about everything all the time on meta." CreationDate="2015-03-18T07:41:19.127" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17172" PostId="7986" Score="0" Text="@Reaces I didn't &quot;shout&quot; and &quot;yell&quot;. Thank you." CreationDate="2015-03-18T07:43:08.410" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17155" PostId="7987" Score="1" Text="Because of the way down votes have a much smaller impact than up votes, it's quite likely that all the extra attention still ends up with a net positive result. I'm not sure silently disagreeing would be needed. Unless the content of his answers / questions is beyond horrible." CreationDate="2015-03-17T19:34:44.587" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17157" PostId="7987" Score="1" Text="Well, tolerating a big company logo in a question, only to be able to disapprove me... it is comic :-)" CreationDate="2015-03-18T00:32:17.333" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17170" PostId="7987" Score="0" Text="I think the &quot;silent disagreement&quot; behavior is reasonable only to avoid unneeded conflicts, and not to leave bad things as they are." CreationDate="2015-03-18T01:36:25.703" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17176" PostId="7987" Score="5" Text="@peterh It wasn't a logo, and it wasn't big. What it is, though, is a good example of an unneeded conflict." CreationDate="2015-03-18T09:42:53.790" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17177" PostId="7987" Score="0" Text="@JennyD Yes, it wasn't, but it was very similar. The second half of your comment: exactly." CreationDate="2015-03-18T09:45:29.927" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17161" PostId="7988" Score="1" Text="Based on your logic I should get the up/down votes in a similar ratio as I get them normally. But if I post in the meta, I get exclusivey downvotes in the main site. No, it is not &quot;drawing attention&quot;, it is personal revenge. You know, I know, Sven knows (he explained even its reasoning), everybody knows. But these revenge downvotes are targeting mostly my questions. With time, they will be collected on my questions. I will have a lot of massively downvoted questions. I think, they will be deleted (as I know, questions below -3 don't need even a mod to be deleted)." CreationDate="2015-03-18T00:48:10.613" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17162" PostId="7988" Score="1" Text="No, it won't really impact my reputation (I make many times more repu by creating good answers), but the site will lost qualified content by its revenge downvotes. Well... congratulation." CreationDate="2015-03-18T00:50:08.680" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17165" PostId="7988" Score="2" Text="@peterh You're... very wrong, but I have neither the energy nor motivation to try to explain it to you at the moment.  Instead, I'm going to drink 5 more fingers of Bushmills, watch some TV, and have a discussion with the brick wall I'm lying next to." CreationDate="2015-03-18T01:00:02.673" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17168" PostId="7988" Score="0" Text="I am sorry, but I don't think I would have written any annoying here. I only explained, why are these revenge downvotes useless and contraproductive - for the site, and not for me." CreationDate="2015-03-18T01:03:50.190" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17194" PostId="7988" Score="0" Text="@peterh You are accusing the people on meta of voting based on personal issues rather than based on the merits of the questions/answers. &quot;Annoying&quot; may not be the term I'd use - it's rather insulting, though." CreationDate="2015-03-20T05:51:37.170" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17195" PostId="7988" Score="0" Text="@JennyD Unfortunately, it is not the first similar situation. The correlation between my meta posts and my sudden, mysterious downvotes on the main site are very clear. The another explanations about the &quot;attention&quot; I've got, have the serious logic flaw, that these react votes contain mainly downvotes, despite I get on the site much more ups." CreationDate="2015-03-20T06:14:15.167" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17196" PostId="7988" Score="0" Text="@JennyD Next to that, I didn't made any personal attack. I only asked, if some solution against the phenomenon exists, or not. And I've got the answer, despite nobody formulated it clearly: NO, there is NO solution for the problem. I must tolerate it (and I do)." CreationDate="2015-03-20T06:18:56.343" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17156" PostId="7989" Score="0" Text="&quot;Based on quality&quot;, while it had only 34 visits in a half year? What a surprising coincidence. No, it is not believable, I am sorry." CreationDate="2015-03-18T00:21:36.297" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17179" PostId="7990" Score="4" Text="Come to think of it, it also feels a little bit insulting to insinuate that the people who frequent meta and care about the health of the site would be the ones to abuse votes to enact some kind of petty revenge. This is even past the idea of them not voting similarly to newer users, this would imply that the users frequenting meta are at times toxic to the main site. This implied accusation is a large part of what puts me off in this question / thread (all though I was slow in realizing it)." CreationDate="2015-03-18T13:19:07.553" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17180" PostId="7990" Score="0" Text="@Reaces Agreed." CreationDate="2015-03-18T13:20:24.327" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17182" PostId="7991" Score="3" Text="I have created the tag and added it to http://serverfault.com/questions/676404/neutron-floating-appears-on-port-list-but-not-on-floating-ip-lists. Thanks to [this nonense](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/98950/answer-appears-automatically-converted-as-a-comment/98955#98955), I can't post this as an answer." CreationDate="2015-03-18T13:26:49.997" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17183" PostId="7992" Score="1" Text="Now if only people would use it. I've seen one question already about Neutron posted today which didn't use the tag..." CreationDate="2015-03-18T18:52:35.443" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17227" PostId="7993" Score="0" Text="It looks like only [one question](http://serverfault.com/q/119139/207703) has the `rebuild` tag and no other tags. I've suggested an edit to add some other tags." CreationDate="2015-03-24T17:56:54.950" UserId="207703" />
  <row Id="17328" PostId="7993" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your time and effort to retags questions with [rebuild] tags. Next time you [do it again](http://serverfault.com/users/200053/peterh?tab=activity), please slow it down so the [old questions didn't cluttered frontpage](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6783/can-anything-be-done-about-mods-robo-rejecting-edits-that-are-objective-improvem). Our mod suggest that [you need to keep edits that bump old content to around 2 an hour (or less)](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/7937/cleanup-duplicate-tags-different-by-hyphenation-and-pluralization#comment17005_7937)" CreationDate="2015-04-03T12:03:07.497" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="17336" PostId="7993" Score="0" Text="Task done. The now unused tag will be automatically deleted in a day. The list of changes can you see [here](http://serverfault.com/users/200053/peterh?tab=activity&amp;sort=revisions), I hope I didn't committed any destructive. If there is no reaction here, I will accept the most upvoted answer and consider the thing ready." CreationDate="2015-04-03T20:19:06.797" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17338" PostId="7993" Score="1" Text="@masegaloeh I am sorry, I've just now read your comment! Ok, next time I will do it slower." CreationDate="2015-04-03T20:19:53.477" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17189" PostId="7994" Score="5" Text="Agreed - &quot;rebuild&quot; as a tag is less than useless. (***WHAT*** are you rebuilding? A RAID array? A server? A house in Miami?)" CreationDate="2015-03-19T19:15:31.963" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="17188" PostId="7995" Score="21" Text="MY CHEESE! IT'S BEING MOVED! ***PANIC*** :-P" CreationDate="2015-03-19T18:34:35.463" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="17190" PostId="7995" Score="1" Text="I'm looking forward to seeing if my pet long-standing UI bug gets fixed." CreationDate="2015-03-19T19:55:08.677" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="17211" PostId="7995" Score="5" Text="I'm having a really hard time telling the difference between SF and SO, visually, if I've scrolled down a page and can no longer see the header." CreationDate="2015-03-20T14:04:05.370" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17212" PostId="7995" Score="4" Text="And I'm not sure that having all the links in bright blue quite fits. Sure it's easier to _see_ the links now, but it clashes with the otherwise red-themed site." CreationDate="2015-03-20T18:40:20.687" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17223" PostId="7995" Score="1" Text="If you have favourite tags, the blue on beige is not pleasant at all." CreationDate="2015-03-22T21:12:51.647" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17239" PostId="7995" Score="1" Text="the light blue text needs to be darker. It hurts the eyes on smaller and less fancy laptop screens" CreationDate="2015-03-26T18:23:33.353" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="17251" PostId="7995" Score="0" Text="Looks like [this logo bug](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8015/the-server-fault-logo-has-some-alignment-issues) related to this new design" CreationDate="2015-03-27T12:23:07.920" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="17721" PostId="7995" Score="0" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/q/8090/126632" CreationDate="2015-04-15T16:21:39.110" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17797" PostId="7995" Score="0" Text="wow, no longer look like a '90 website. I'am shock." CreationDate="2015-04-21T02:39:58.767" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19689" PostId="7995" Score="0" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8209/sf-layout-answer-coloring  Seem UI look ok on a blackberry, while not ok in IE, Chrome &amp; Firefox.. Point me to a UI error, not a wanted behavior." CreationDate="2015-10-08T16:17:48.330" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="17201" PostId="7996" Score="0" Text="I think you were still looking at the old design. The new design just launched to live(both on main and meta)" CreationDate="2015-03-20T08:15:30.080" UserId="1075" />
  <row Id="17202" PostId="7996" Score="2" Text="Ah right, I was working off the statement `ETA for new design launch will be this evening EDT` which should have had it up and running before I was awake in GMT tomorrow ;)" CreationDate="2015-03-20T08:18:20.697" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17203" PostId="7996" Score="3" Text="np! I did launch the site later than I wanted to. I just wanted to do more testing before I sent it off" CreationDate="2015-03-20T08:19:16.433" UserId="1075" />
  <row Id="17204" PostId="7996" Score="2" Text="Cheers, it's much improved and much appreciated." CreationDate="2015-03-20T08:21:18.880" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17200" PostId="7997" Score="2" Text="It should be fixed now." CreationDate="2015-03-20T08:15:09.017" UserId="1075" />
  <row Id="17210" PostId="7998" Score="3" Text="Related [Why are learning materials questions off-topic?](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6402/why-are-learning-materials-questions-off-topic)" CreationDate="2015-03-20T09:53:00.737" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="17197" PostId="7999" Score="0" Text="Is helping people find resources to gain an understanding of (i) Postfix rewriting rules, or (ii) forming a threat model for Postfix not on-topic for the site, then?  If not, where *should* I ask?  If so, how should my question have been different?" CreationDate="2015-03-20T08:08:00.580" UserId="30111" />
  <row Id="17198" PostId="7999" Score="0" Text="'2015 SF' - I definitely do not want to undermine the huge and overdue task underway with this, and many thanks for modding the site." CreationDate="2015-03-20T08:09:44.570" UserId="30111" />
  <row Id="17199" PostId="7999" Score="7" Text="Why do we close old questions that no longer are topical today? To avoid the regular argument that this or that 2009 question wasn't closed either, so if we come across that, we close it." CreationDate="2015-03-20T08:11:03.060" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17237" PostId="7999" Score="0" Text="The Security SX might be a suitable place for my question, since it is as much a security question as it is a server admin question." CreationDate="2015-03-25T21:31:03.120" UserId="30111" />
  <row Id="17238" PostId="7999" Score="0" Text="This question is five years old and can no longer be migrated, and it would be as off-topic there as here. Why is this such a big deal for you? Just carry on... And if you can't live with a closed question, flag it and ask us to delete it." CreationDate="2015-03-25T21:59:14.703" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17205" PostId="8000" Score="0" Text="do you have a custom font size set in firefox? e.g. set minium font size etc." CreationDate="2015-03-20T08:22:11.277" UserId="1075" />
  <row Id="17208" PostId="8000" Score="0" Text="I might have zoomed a bit or something, but see my edit." CreationDate="2015-03-20T08:28:50.813" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17209" PostId="8000" Score="3" Text="I can reproduce this. I'll put a fix for it soon." CreationDate="2015-03-20T08:30:21.210" UserId="1075" />
  <row Id="17816" PostId="8000" Score="1" Text="@Jin: It's still not fixed, a month later. Any update?" CreationDate="2015-04-22T19:42:32.080" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17241" PostId="8004" Score="2" Text="+1 on this one. Especially on LCD screens viewed at suboptimal angle" CreationDate="2015-03-26T21:48:11.630" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="17214" PostId="8005" Score="7" Text="I suppose this is largely a less diplomatic version of my complaint regarding the reduced contrast of the new color scheme. I'll just point out that I do agree, in case someone mistakes my less harshly worded answer for it not being a big deal to me." CreationDate="2015-03-22T16:22:00.677" UserId="183318" />
  <row Id="17815" PostId="8005" Score="1" Text="Even though these replies have been on for a while and have the most upvotes, they have been completely ignored. How's that for a community confidence booster?" CreationDate="2015-04-22T16:11:39.600" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="17215" PostId="8006" Score="0" Text="Have you read [When are legacy/unsupported systems still on-topic?](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/5414/126632)" CreationDate="2015-03-22T18:59:50.793" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17216" PostId="8006" Score="0" Text="@Michael I'm not sure that completely addresses the topic at hand, since the subject of security is never touched on. I don't consider the three bullets in the question to really address this case. (certainly not *&quot;The system can still perform well for its intended purpose&quot;*) That said, I'm also fine with it if that's the stance the community wants to take." CreationDate="2015-03-22T19:02:11.367" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17217" PostId="8006" Score="0" Text="NIS was known to be insecure more than 15 years ago. But some people are still stuck with it because it's been in the environment forever with no sign of budget or political will to replace it. Are you suggesting we should not help people maintain their environments simply because they have security issues?" CreationDate="2015-03-22T19:05:52.540" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17218" PostId="8006" Score="0" Text="If I was, I wouldn't have bothered trying to put a finer point on it. I do see where you're coming from though. I'm probably taking too much of a hard line due to how we typically handle the case where people are trying to use root in insecure ways, in an effort to prevent people copycatting bad design in Google searches." CreationDate="2015-03-22T19:12:45.010" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17219" PostId="8006" Score="2" Text="By all means such people should be strongly warned that they have a problem that needs fixing. But I don't think that always means they should be turned away." CreationDate="2015-03-22T19:26:45.327" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17220" PostId="8008" Score="1" Text="It should currently be &quot;managing information technology systems in a business environment&quot;." CreationDate="2015-03-22T19:50:51.447" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17221" PostId="8008" Score="0" Text="@Michael It's not, at least looking at [some](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/191852/how-to-get-the-adaptec-1200a-to-work-under-linux-at-udma-100-instead-of-66) [migrations](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/191857/repairing-a-raid5-array) that occurred today. Are these migration messages defined globally, or on the destination sites?" CreationDate="2015-03-22T19:52:43.860" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17222" PostId="8008" Score="1" Text="The strings are specifically defined per-site as part of each site's metadata. Something is out of sync somewhere." CreationDate="2015-03-22T19:54:16.753" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17225" PostId="8009" Score="1" Text="If you have favourite tags, questions with those tags are highlighted - is that what you're seeing ?" CreationDate="2015-03-23T20:30:10.293" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17226" PostId="8009" Score="0" Text="Oh cool, finally I know! :)" CreationDate="2015-03-24T07:09:39.133" UserId="188837" />
  <row Id="17232" PostId="8012" Score="1" Text="I appreciate that you make the effort to ask before if a question is welcome on out site, but both of your meta questions are really vague. More details would be helpful." CreationDate="2015-03-25T17:14:38.363" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17236" PostId="8012" Score="2" Text="It also doesn't help if you delete the question before anyone has read it!" CreationDate="2015-03-25T21:02:40.367" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17234" PostId="8013" Score="0" Text="Just asked it, as all the components I'm working with is main stream (servers, OS) hopefully I will get an answer for my problem." CreationDate="2015-03-25T18:01:59.190" UserId="233752" />
  <row Id="17235" PostId="8014" Score="2" Text="Actually you asked it on [AskUbuntu](http://askubuntu.com/questions/601235/ubuntu-server-installer-does-not-recognize-the-hard-drives-on-a-raid-based-serve) which is probably as good a place as any." CreationDate="2015-03-25T18:47:22.513" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17242" PostId="8018" Score="4" Text="That's pretty much it.  Closed, negatively voted question question with a negatively voted self-answer that's actually demonstrably incorrect, and more or less says &quot;I give up/forget it.&quot; The site's better off without it, IMO." CreationDate="2015-03-27T07:04:22.483" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17243" PostId="8018" Score="1" Text="The comments given before the OP gave up weren't particular helpful. So giving up sort of makes sense. I think the OP would have been better off by having the question closed as duplicate, than by receiving those comments." CreationDate="2015-03-27T07:26:06.033" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17256" PostId="8018" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b Why would you consider deletion to be better than close as duplicate?" CreationDate="2015-03-29T09:40:29.957" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17257" PostId="8018" Score="0" Text="@kasperd I think the real question is: Why aren't duplicate questions deleted in the first place?" CreationDate="2015-03-29T19:59:54.357" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17258" PostId="8018" Score="4" Text="@BigHomie I believe it is based on the assumption that duplicate questions are asked because somebody couldn't find the previously asked question. By leaving the duplicated question in place with a reference to the older question, it serves as a help for the next person searching for the answer. They may enter search terms that lead them to the duplicate but not to the original question." CreationDate="2015-03-29T20:10:27.620" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17259" PostId="8018" Score="2" Text="Also note that questions marked as duplicate are now redirected to the duplicate target, for users who are not logged in." CreationDate="2015-03-29T20:11:28.263" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17261" PostId="8018" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton Has anything been done to ensure this doesn't prevent search engines from finding the question when a user types words matching the duplicate but not the original question?" CreationDate="2015-03-30T07:35:13.980" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17285" PostId="8018" Score="1" Text="@kasperd it shouldn't prevent them, that is the whole point of leaving the question behind!" CreationDate="2015-04-02T10:58:15.643" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="17289" PostId="8018" Score="0" Text="@JamesRyan If search engines are redirected to the original question, they won't see any keywords in the duplicate question, which could have helped find it." CreationDate="2015-04-02T16:03:56.333" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17291" PostId="8018" Score="0" Text="@kasperd I think we are talking at cross purposes obviously the search engine needs to see each seperate version" CreationDate="2015-04-02T16:21:26.927" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="17244" PostId="8019" Score="1" Text="I agree the deleted question isn't perfect. Including information about the software currently installed on the host would have made it better. I also agree that the OP hadn't thought enough about the task (focusing too much on the shutting down part and too little on the reliability of the wiping). But in this particular case that would not have gotten in the way of providing an answer which both answers the question as stated and points out what the OP hasn't payed attention to. I'm not disputing the question being closed, but I do think it was deleted prematurely." CreationDate="2015-03-27T08:40:59.730" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17245" PostId="8019" Score="0" Text="Fair points.  Your question title is specifically about the deletion, to which I was not party, and on which perhaps I should not comment.  Given that you accept it deserved closure, however, perhaps you could edit your question to make that clear (which it currently does not), and clarify why you think this particular question, once closed, adds value in not being deleted?" CreationDate="2015-03-27T09:00:19.320" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17246" PostId="8019" Score="0" Text="I have updated my question. If http://serverfault.com/questions/159401/securely-wipe-a-headless-remote-linux-server had not existed, the deleted question (and the answer which @fukawi2 could have provided) would have added value to the site. But given the existence of the older question, the deleted question should have been closed as a duplicate and in that case would only serve as a help to make that older question easier to find." CreationDate="2015-03-27T09:15:35.410" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17247" PostId="8019" Score="0" Text="And to be clear. I don't think the answer provided by the OP adds any value. However the question along with a quality answer such as http://serverfault.com/a/159411/214507 would add value. I wrote this meta question without knowing that the question was in fact a duplicate." CreationDate="2015-03-27T09:22:38.350" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17248" PostId="8019" Score="3" Text="Fair enough!  Then to be clear, I think I completely agree with you!  And thanks for being so gracious during the course of this discussion - I, too, felt bad, because I hadn't spent the time required to find the dupe (yaaay Michael)." CreationDate="2015-03-27T09:30:08.077" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17249" PostId="8019" Score="0" Text="Would it be odd to recreate this question as a properly written Q&amp;A self-answer, and locking the old one as a dupe to that one? As it stands I spent some time yesterday on the new (deleted) question, and did not at any time come across that old question. It's somewhat badly worded and judging by the amount of comments yesterday, the question might merit some fresh attention?" CreationDate="2015-03-27T09:40:35.413" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17250" PostId="8019" Score="2" Text="I wouldn't, myself.  I think the old  question is better written, and has better answers." CreationDate="2015-03-27T10:54:50.087" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17252" PostId="8021" Score="0" Text="In that case the IP address could be banned." CreationDate="2015-03-28T20:38:08.840" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17253" PostId="8021" Score="1" Text="@Iain unfortunately, the guy's not dumb enough to use the same IP twice, at least as far as I've seen. :/" CreationDate="2015-03-28T20:42:19.167" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17254" PostId="8022" Score="0" Text="I didn't lock it permanently because that prevents voting, and I think the answer should have more upvotes... but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen, and since the spammers keep targeting this answer for some reason, I suppose the permanent lock is the better course of action." CreationDate="2015-03-29T01:41:25.490" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17255" PostId="8023" Score="4" Text="DevOps FTW... erm, I mean, All hail our new insect overlords!" CreationDate="2015-03-29T03:33:32.547" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17260" PostId="8024" Score="2" Text="Confimed in Chrome 41 and FireFox 36" CreationDate="2015-03-29T22:14:50.237" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17335" PostId="8024" Score="1" Text="I don't understand what was the problem with the vmware tag. The hyper-v tag didn't have any similar mass-killing, I hope nobody is working here for the micro$oft." CreationDate="2015-04-03T19:19:19.987" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17358" PostId="8024" Score="2" Text="VMware is a company. Hyper-V is a product. There are many products that are prefixed with &quot;VMware &lt;something&gt;.&quot; If the user is asking about vSphere or ESXi or View, they should use a more descriptive tag. Having a VMware tag would be akin to having a Microsoft tag, which would be equally useless." CreationDate="2015-04-08T23:47:41.350" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="18924" PostId="8024" Score="0" Text="This is still happening as of today." CreationDate="2015-05-13T15:43:11.607" UserDisplayName="user186340" />
  <row Id="18928" PostId="8024" Score="0" Text="@André, yes. Apparently this bug is only minor. So, perhaps devs has seen this bug but this it has given low-priority because it did not affect the usability of SF" CreationDate="2015-05-13T21:31:37.780" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="17262" PostId="8027" Score="9" Text="That is indeed very confusing. To the point where I had to read the explanation twice..." CreationDate="2015-03-31T06:39:19.630" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="22410" PostId="8027" Score="1" Text="This finally got fixed.. [today](https://meta.serverfault.com/q/9347/126632)." CreationDate="2018-08-09T15:34:17.613" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17263" PostId="8028" Score="0" Text="+1, I wonder if this is used across the Big 3 sites enough to warrant this being posted on meta.SE." CreationDate="2015-03-31T14:27:12.443" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17264" PostId="8028" Score="3" Text="I don't know that BigHomie...I won't go into meta.SE though...even after the separation/changes with SO.  There are a few SE employees like Tom, Kyle, Shane that should at least see this post.  I know feature requests take second place to bug fixes and things like Stack Egg... :)" CreationDate="2015-03-31T14:46:06.130" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17280" PostId="8028" Score="1" Text="Scratch Kyle (last seen 15/1) and Tom (16/2)." CreationDate="2015-04-01T08:30:59.100" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17273" PostId="8030" Score="2" Text="http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/noClickHere" CreationDate="2015-03-31T18:09:00.343" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17275" PostId="8030" Score="0" Text="So to your point #1 Hampton addressed.  On #2 the problem there is that the URL could be quite long and possibly nonsensical if you just leave it as a visible URL.  On #3 that's essentially what I'm asking for.  The hope being that the text itself lends to searching if the URL is broken..." CreationDate="2015-03-31T18:31:18.807" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17276" PostId="8030" Score="0" Text="It's just a *tip* by the W3C, not a rule, and not a particular good one, IMHO. Also, what I understand they are talking about would be &quot;To read more about it, [click here](http://serverfault.com/questions/218005)&quot;.  I know you want the third variant, I just meant to illustrate why I don't like it. But I really don't have a strong opinion on it, I justed wanted to demonstrate not everybody wants or likes this feature, even if &quot;not everybody&quot; might only mean just me :)" CreationDate="2015-03-31T18:42:49.840" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17277" PostId="8030" Score="4" Text="I personally prefer #3.  In any case, it's the choice of the person creating the link, wouldn't you think?" CreationDate="2015-03-31T19:45:14.917" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="17283" PostId="8030" Score="0" Text="@Sven yep understand.  I won't lose sleep over this either way.  Just figured it was a &quot;delighter&quot; not a &quot;must be&quot;." CreationDate="2015-04-01T13:45:38.183" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17350" PostId="8030" Score="0" Text="I agree that URLS should be visible.  There is no need to obfuscate the source" CreationDate="2015-04-06T18:50:45.347" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="17286" PostId="8032" Score="0" Text="Did you wait 6 to 8 weeks?" CreationDate="2015-04-02T14:42:25.600" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17294" PostId="8032" Score="0" Text="&quot;Can't tell if serious&quot; -- Here's one I did back in December http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6792/i-think-its-time-to-update-the-we-are-offline-bsod" CreationDate="2015-04-02T18:09:24.410" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17296" PostId="8032" Score="0" Text="Wait, that was actually a serious feature request?" CreationDate="2015-04-02T18:11:57.127" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17297" PostId="8032" Score="0" Text="Not really, but still irrelevant.  Shane himself commented/answered on it.  I just figure if it is tagged as such then I'm curious if there's any timeline/procedure they follow to actually respond to these with either a yea or nay." CreationDate="2015-04-02T18:18:28.663" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17287" PostId="8035" Score="12" Text="That SU question about the toaster is real, and completely legitimate, FYI.  *Developers*..." CreationDate="2015-04-02T15:25:05.390" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17288" PostId="8035" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b I know, but I'm putting it up as an example because it's probably upvoted for comedic value, not as much for relevance or quality. (and because it is *the* most upvoted question on SU, despite being mostly humorous)" CreationDate="2015-04-02T15:26:19.853" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17345" PostId="8035" Score="0" Text="SO had this one last year, which is now closed + locked: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22780466/why-cant-my-program-compile-under-windows-7-in-french" CreationDate="2015-04-06T01:09:16.353" UserId="146649" />
  <row Id="17355" PostId="8035" Score="0" Text="See also [Purim Torah](http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/purim-torah-in-jest)." CreationDate="2015-04-08T13:39:34.277" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="17290" PostId="8036" Score="0" Text="I can see people lining stuff up already - A new system administration paradigm called DevOPs ... ;)" CreationDate="2015-04-02T16:11:14.273" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17292" PostId="8036" Score="0" Text="Thinking about it, there is the added danger that a yearly precedence for comedic questions is quite a bit more obtrusive than a single &quot;this is a joke&quot; question with lots of answers. As it might possibly swarm the front page on April 1st. While this year only one person really made one (and a quite great one at that) next year there might be dozens..." CreationDate="2015-04-02T16:37:08.810" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17293" PostId="8036" Score="0" Text="s/might/will especially if they are allowed to remain." CreationDate="2015-04-02T17:05:44.457" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17318" PostId="8036" Score="3" Text="Yeah I can agree with this, I had a feeling it would get deleted but it was nice to have fun while it lasted. I didn't really care about the fake internet points, but I had some real fun with people online, and even irl as well. A friend of mine who is a sysadmin read the question on my phone and started freaking out, all b/c of the power of the upvotes." CreationDate="2015-04-03T04:58:21.830" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17340" PostId="8036" Score="0" Text="I don't see the harm in giving out the few extra rep points.  A user isn't going to be vaulted into the higher realms of SF privilege because of that." CreationDate="2015-04-04T12:08:37.070" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="17628" PostId="8036" Score="0" Text="tbh it wasn't even funny while it was april fools. It takes quite a lot of skill to pull off a good one and for each of those there seems to be at least 100 lame attempts." CreationDate="2015-04-13T11:02:23.080" UserId="15008" />
  <row Id="17295" PostId="8037" Score="0" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5823/integrate-cloudsharks-service as an example..." CreationDate="2015-04-02T18:11:08.003" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17298" PostId="8037" Score="0" Text="@TheCleanerthat has clearly passed the first 6-8 weeks and possibly the second http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5823/integrate-cloudsharks-service#comment11716_5824" CreationDate="2015-04-02T18:39:27.600" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17341" PostId="8037" Score="2" Text="Don't forget that after about half a dozen of those 6-8 weeks, they'll remember that this is serverfault and that they don't give a wet fart about our problems unless they're also problems on stack overflow." CreationDate="2015-04-04T18:31:50.187" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="17342" PostId="8037" Score="1" Text="Good point, well made RobM. It's interesting that @Shog9 found the time to retag the question but couldn't be arsed to answer it." CreationDate="2015-04-04T20:03:39.343" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17300" PostId="8038" Score="0" Text="The Internet Archive may not crawl a URL for _months_ after first learning of it. This isn't really a good strategy, I think." CreationDate="2015-04-02T22:55:44.743" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17301" PostId="8038" Score="2" Text="@MichaelHampton That's why choosing option 'Save this url in the Wayback Machine' would make the backup immediately available. I've added image to be clear." CreationDate="2015-04-02T23:00:34.080" UserId="130437" />
  <row Id="17302" PostId="8038" Score="0" Text="Oh, that's a new feature. I've never seen that before." CreationDate="2015-04-02T23:06:59.240" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17303" PostId="8038" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Me either, found it by chance, so I thought I'd share it:)" CreationDate="2015-04-02T23:07:58.317" UserId="130437" />
  <row Id="17323" PostId="8038" Score="0" Text="Man, that's cool, and so useful" CreationDate="2015-04-03T05:34:06.410" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="17813" PostId="8038" Score="0" Text="Related meta: [How about archiving deleted posts in Wayback Machine?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/254038/191655)" CreationDate="2015-04-21T21:52:41.370" UserId="130437" />
  <row Id="17319" PostId="8040" Score="1" Text="+1 for the tag, by the time I tried to add it, Mike Hampton had already locked the question." CreationDate="2015-04-03T05:01:56.217" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17326" PostId="8040" Score="3" Text="I think a danger is that you're relying on people to police their own questions, a year from now. Based on some rule maybe mentioned in a meta post. If you open the floodgates, tag or not, a lot of questions will survive April 2nd. And you can't expect the active community to clean up other peoples jokes." CreationDate="2015-04-03T06:52:23.700" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17329" PostId="8040" Score="0" Text="Yeah, it's tricky because tagging it &quot;april-fools&quot; kind of spoils the joke... unless people aren't reading carefully." CreationDate="2015-04-03T14:02:18.453" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17315" PostId="8041" Score="3" Text="Actually migration happens if only 3 of 5 vote to migrate. (I think [so] requires 4 of 5.)" CreationDate="2015-04-03T04:43:45.483" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17333" PostId="8041" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Ok. It could mean, if 3 persons would exist in similar situations, they could migrate questions independent from you (-&gt; you shouldn't take responsibility for that by the mods of the target site)?" CreationDate="2015-04-03T19:13:40.277" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17304" PostId="8042" Score="0" Text="1) Not okay, most people is coming here by google, and practically never by the frontpage. 2) If you are on a site first time, to ask a question, and this site tries to convince you to use _another_ site, then you probably won't do it. Why? It is a cost-offer thing. You aren't even sure if SF deserved your attention to give a question to it, then another site referenced by SF surely won't deserve. Yes, this OP in the example question weren't a really pleasant figure, but I think, the system handled his problem very, very badly. His question should have been migrated to superuser on the spot." CreationDate="2015-04-03T03:38:50.010" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17305" PostId="8042" Score="0" Text="@peterh OK, so they come via Google. They miss the first SF Banner I posted. They *still* have to read and agree that they'll take into consideration the tips on the &quot;Ask a Question&quot; page." CreationDate="2015-04-03T03:42:31.817" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17306" PostId="8042" Score="0" Text="It is about the &quot;please read the small character paragraphs&quot; thing. It can be a strong argument to convince a lawyer, but now it is about to win the subjective decision of a visitor. The SE network now LOST this subjective decision." CreationDate="2015-04-03T03:44:09.483" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17307" PostId="8042" Score="4" Text="@peterh You forget about this: [DON'T MIGRATE CRAP](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/91411/why-was-this-question-closed-as-off-topic-without-being-migrated/91446#91446)." CreationDate="2015-04-03T03:45:21.640" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17308" PostId="8042" Score="0" Text="It wasn't crap. It was unclear and offtopic here, but not crap. I even edited it to make its chance better for a migration to SU." CreationDate="2015-04-03T03:47:05.567" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17309" PostId="8042" Score="1" Text="@peterh You edited it by removing &quot;Cheers&quot; and changing &quot;Putty&quot; to &quot;putty&quot;. Putty should have been left capitalized. I'm not sure you were making a significant change in its chances for migration. :)" CreationDate="2015-04-03T03:49:46.473" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17310" PostId="8042" Score="0" Text="Sorry, this is what I could do. :-) Unfortunately, I don't have further access to this question and haven't a backup from that, but I think it would be a good (but not representative) experiment to ask this on SU anonymously. Could you copy-paste the text of the last version of this question here (or into a chat)?" CreationDate="2015-04-03T03:52:50.830" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17311" PostId="8042" Score="2" Text="I'd also add that there's a simple one line rule about migrations. Don't migrate crap. Migration should be for the rare excellent yet off topic content" CreationDate="2015-04-03T03:57:47.367" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="17312" PostId="8042" Score="0" Text="@JourneymanGeek I suggest to re-read the latest around 8 comments. Thank you." CreationDate="2015-04-03T04:17:18.420" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17313" PostId="8042" Score="1" Text="If you aren't logged in, that banner appears on _every_ page, not just the home page." CreationDate="2015-04-03T04:41:24.637" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17314" PostId="8042" Score="6" Text="And, when an SU moderator thinks it should not be migrated there, that's good enough for me." CreationDate="2015-04-03T04:42:31.990" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17316" PostId="8042" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Yes, for you, because you know the Hidden Ultimate Secret Why Migrations Should Be Rarest. :-)" CreationDate="2015-04-03T04:47:31.563" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17317" PostId="8042" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton About the banner: I think you missed the context." CreationDate="2015-04-03T04:48:22.923" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17320" PostId="8042" Score="3" Text="@peterh: I felt it was worth re-iterating, and clarifying what you *should* migrate. Especially since as a 20K rep user *before*  I became a mod, with the ability to VTC/VTM. I also tend to just VTC programming questions on SU rather than moving it over to SO.  *As* a mod, I'd have kicked it back to SF where it would have met an ignominious demise. Not all content is worth saving. IMO this would be downvoted in SU since it shows a lack of research effort. The &quot;save&quot; option shouldn't be onerous to find, even with hardcore text editors." CreationDate="2015-04-03T05:05:38.080" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="17321" PostId="8042" Score="0" Text="@JourneymanGeek ...and this is the perfect situation, as in a human structure everybody &quot;knows&quot; that he is doing his task perfectly, and the result is that a good-standing newbie is expelled on a site whose primary goal is to get good-standing newbies here." CreationDate="2015-04-03T05:10:27.417" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17322" PostId="8042" Score="5" Text="The newbie isn't in good standing. A newbie in good standing would read the *carefully crafted* (and in my opinion excessively handholdy) introduction to the site, spend a couple of minutes looking at good posts, and spend the time to write an excellent, well written question. He would then be heaped with praise and upvotes (and maybe beer). With newbies unwilling or unable to read the fine introduction, the right course of action is to close the question, and optionally let him know why." CreationDate="2015-04-03T05:24:48.500" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="17324" PostId="8042" Score="0" Text="@JourneymanGeek You want a fresh newbie to read hundreds of pages, do a deep investigation before his first question? OMG! Did you ever heard about [Parkinson's law](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law)?" CreationDate="2015-04-03T05:48:19.790" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17325" PostId="8042" Score="3" Text="Are you sure you're reading the same thing I wrote? The site tour, and say the front page is hardly hundreds of posts. Its almost like you want to encourage people not to take the slighest effort, and encourage help vampirism." CreationDate="2015-04-03T05:51:03.253" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="17327" PostId="8042" Score="4" Text="@peterh a newbie who skips through all that information, asks a useless question without enough information to answer, and then proceeds to call you a &quot;complete and utter cunt&quot; for not answering his question doesn't deserve help, he deserves to be set on fire.  In the more broadly applicable case, if they don't read all the help they already get before asking their question, they don't deserve any consideration after - they're being inconsiderate jerks, wasting everybody's time with their garbage." CreationDate="2015-04-03T09:01:29.923" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17334" PostId="8042" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b He didn't skiped out. He only made a trivial question. *I also didn't take the tour before my first post here (ok, it was an answer and not a question).* Systems should be intuitive, beginners mistakes should be self-correctable. If you want many users, you can't made them obligatory to read the manual, even if it is a short and simple manual. The practical taboo on the migrations is irrational!" CreationDate="2015-04-03T19:16:09.760" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17337" PostId="8042" Score="5" Text="I don't want &quot;many&quot; users, I only want users capable of contributing useful content. People who can't do that but want to benefit from my technical expertise anyway can pay me for the privilege." CreationDate="2015-04-03T20:19:11.550" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17346" PostId="8044" Score="1" Text="If you'll notice, that was a substantially duplicate discussion that was cross-posted by the same asker." CreationDate="2015-04-06T18:32:50.140" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="17347" PostId="8044" Score="0" Text="@Hyppy which is partly the reason I brought it up. Would have done so in comments but lacked space :)" CreationDate="2015-04-06T18:37:05.990" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17330" PostId="8045" Score="0" Text="He did it, because I didn't give him help! I had helped him on the spot if I could have been migrate his question to SU or to unix SE! I don't have a problem with an elitist site, but I _have_ a problem with a site with braindamaged, irrational limitations (f.e. the near taboo of the migrations - probably nobody knows its real reason, on my opinion, here we could see only low-level rationalizations for that and not the real reason, which probably doesn't exist). But thank you anyways your very humanic reaction :-)" CreationDate="2015-04-03T18:30:57.620" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17331" PostId="8045" Score="0" Text="You're welcome.  :)  I still don't think swearing at someone like that is an appropriate reaction, though." CreationDate="2015-04-03T18:33:57.580" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17332" PostId="8045" Score="0" Text="What could I do? It is a very inhuman system. Nice talk is useless, harder sentences are also useless, it doesn't matter anything." CreationDate="2015-04-03T19:09:29.283" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17339" PostId="8046" Score="0" Text="I am sorry, but these ridiculous &quot;arguments&quot; I could have found everywhere. I've talked about the real reasons." CreationDate="2015-04-04T04:06:00.443" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17354" PostId="8046" Score="5" Text="@peterh How exactly do you differentiate between these &quot;ridiculous&quot; arguments and the &quot;real&quot; reasons? From what I can see, the &quot;real&quot; reasons are some nebulous thoughts that you have ginned up by yourself, that have no relation to what the community here actually wants and what SE has expressly stated in regards to migration." CreationDate="2015-04-07T17:34:17.263" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17343" PostId="8048" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your advice, that's certainly what I should do next time I see it. Maybe the domain could even be blocked if found malicious. as I find it." CreationDate="2015-04-04T22:07:24.233" UserId="274176" />
  <row Id="17344" PostId="8048" Score="3" Text="Unfortunately, we can't create a blacklist for links, but at least low-rep users can only create nofollow links. BTW, I had a second look to the user you flagged earlier, and he definitely is a spammer -  the relevant question has now been deleted, and the account put into suspension." CreationDate="2015-04-04T22:34:45.957" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17359" PostId="8051" Score="0" Text="Doesn't *every* edit on a closed question flag it for reopening?" CreationDate="2015-04-09T08:41:58.463" UserId="151328" />
  <row Id="17356" PostId="8052" Score="0" Text="Just for curiosity what percentage of on-hold/closed questions ever make it back into active status?" CreationDate="2015-04-08T18:58:21.433" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="17357" PostId="8052" Score="0" Text="I don't have exact numbers right now, but I think it's in the neighborhood of 10% or so." CreationDate="2015-04-08T19:02:33.223" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17361" PostId="8053" Score="2" Text="That's a really good question. It wasn't an audit." CreationDate="2015-04-09T20:51:58.353" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17673" PostId="8053" Score="0" Text="I had a similar review just now http://serverfault.com/review/low-quality-posts/189268 ." CreationDate="2015-04-14T18:59:06.940" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17362" PostId="8054" Score="14" Text="Someone hold me. I'm scared." CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:05:08.240" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17363" PostId="8054" Score="18" Text="One of them decided to step down, and asked for his moderator status to be removed. The other decided something else and didn't ask anyone anything. I'll leave it to them to go into more detail if they wish to do so." CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:10:27.580" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17364" PostId="8054" Score="10" Text="@Shog9 Understood if someone wants to stop down. That's fine. In the other case, though, what gives? They were elected by the users, and if that person did something so egregious as to warrant forcible removal of their mod status, I would love to know what that thing was." CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:14:20.313" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17365" PostId="8054" Score="8" Text="I, for one, greatly appreciate the work *all* the mods do. It's something I'd like to do, but don't have the time for. Seeing one lose mod status without explanation is quite upsetting." CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:16:21.007" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17366" PostId="8054" Score="14" Text="I'm waiting for a response from the person responsible. Hopefully, we can work this out without a ton of drama. For now, just know that removal of mod privileges is the moderator equivalent of suspension - an expedient way of halting a problematic situation until it can be resolved." CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:17:34.887" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17368" PostId="8054" Score="34" Text="Oh sure...ask a question about moderators and get immediate comments from SE staff...ask for a feature-request and get *crickets* -- I'm taking my shovel and pail home." CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:21:24.703" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17371" PostId="8054" Score="5" Text="Not that it's relevant @TheCleaner, but [this is trivial](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6617/should-we-enable-tag-specific-popups) to implement if y'all wanna decide on what the pop-ups should contain. Michael requested suggestions ages ago but near as I can tell no one took him up on the offer." CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:24:40.833" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17373" PostId="8054" Score="21" Text="@shog9 go ahead and say whatever you wish to about it and/or me.  I'm honestly a bit curious myself, given that the on topic page explicitly calls out administration panels as off topic." CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:28:39.567" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17374" PostId="8054" Score="9" Text="If you want to do this publicly, that's your call @Hopeless. Regardless of where we hold this discussion, I still expect an answer." CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:33:47.803" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17375" PostId="8054" Score="3" Text="@Shog9 Please. You now have permission. Can you enlighten us as to what this is about?" CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:38:49.437" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17377" PostId="8054" Score="21" Text="@Shog9 Yup, go for it.  As to your answer, that will be along a little later, once I figure out what I wish to do in response to this blindsiding... And I cool off some.  Also, what, specifically, you'd like explained would probably be useful to me - I don't see how closing explicitly off-topic questions requires an explanation, so your request for an explanation confuses me a little." CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:53:17.480" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17600" PostId="8054" Score="13" Text="It looks like ad revenue is dropping and Stack Exchange is desperately trying to get new users even at the expense of site's quality. First we had this &quot;summer of love&quot; bullshit that opened the gates for a deluge of crap questions over on Stack Overflow, then we got [this nonsense, disguised as a feature-request even though they imposed it](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/250223/age-close-votes-after-14-days-regardless-of-views-allowing-recasting) which made flags even less effective against the low quality crap on SO, and now they're going after ServerFault... oh god." CreationDate="2015-04-12T14:46:52.437" UserDisplayName="user186340" />
  <row Id="17668" PostId="8054" Score="21" Text="@EEAA I'm just a side note to all the action. I changed jobs in January and have much less time to participate. Compounding that, I strongly disagree with the direction the site has been taking, more so since the last election. I was pretty vocal about this toward the end of last year. Though I didn't always agree with the proposed solutions, I completely agreed with the people saying SF had a &quot;walled garden&quot; mindset problem. I don't have the energy fight it when the community overwhelmingly elected a mod running on that platform. I can't keep supporting a community I disagree with so much." CreationDate="2015-04-14T13:57:33.507" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="17669" PostId="8054" Score="0" Text="@ChrisS Understood and appreciated. Thank you for the work you did put in here!" CreationDate="2015-04-14T14:05:29.640" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17671" PostId="8054" Score="3" Text="@ChrisS congrats on the job! way to sneak in here ;) Hope to hear from you in chat." CreationDate="2015-04-14T15:34:58.207" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17703" PostId="8054" Score="5" Text="congrats on the new job and thanks for your hard work @ChrisS" CreationDate="2015-04-15T07:42:35.120" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="17740" PostId="8054" Score="2" Text="We do miss you @ChrisS. Good to hear you're doing well. =)" CreationDate="2015-04-15T21:22:35.660" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17745" PostId="8054" Score="1" Text="Congrats, @ChrisS!  Go, you!" CreationDate="2015-04-15T22:40:59.117" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="18920" PostId="8054" Score="1" Text="Interesting to read all this drama unfolds. I want this to be made into a TV drama that lasts for 10 seasons.    on a serious note I hope SO stays a good place for developers to ask and get answers. I can't think of any better place for serious programming questions." CreationDate="2015-05-12T10:55:19.293" UserId="88180" />
  <row Id="17367" PostId="8055" Score="21" Text="Close them with prejudice." CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:21:01.407" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17369" PostId="8055" Score="12" Text="The are explicitly off topic according to the on topic page.  That someone did something to provoke this discussion again ... well, says a lot about the state of this community." CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:23:25.677" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17370" PostId="8055" Score="3" Text="The question is not whether they _are_, but whether they _should be_, off-topic." CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:23:56.770" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17372" PostId="8055" Score="0" Text="(And actually that's a bad example because cPanel _does_ manage NTP, but I couldn't think of a service it doesn't manage offhand. I'm sure there must be one.)" CreationDate="2015-04-09T21:28:10.747" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17384" PostId="8055" Score="11" Text="Looking over some of the [recently closed questions](http://serverfault.com/tools), I notice many that were closed with a comment explaining &quot;Administration panels are off topic.&quot; In more than a few cases that I looked at, the question was actually asking about something else entirely. Whatever policy you arrive at, it should be clear that merely mentioning an off-topic package does not make a question off topic. Nor should it make the asker unwelcome. Finally, any comments left on closed questions should explain the situation in a way that a knowledgeable visitor could make sense of it." CreationDate="2015-04-09T23:30:09.983" UserId="1126" />
  <row Id="17385" PostId="8055" Score="1" Text="For those of us who don't have 10k, you can see where Noob posted his boilerplate about Admin panels by going here:  http://serverfault.com/users/118258/hopelessn00b?tab=activity" CreationDate="2015-04-09T23:43:35.037" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="17386" PostId="8055" Score="10" Text="@JonEricson Part of the rationale is that when someone asks a question, and in passing mentions that there is a control panel involved, it _does_ taint the entire situation and make it much more difficult to offer a repeatable, standards compliant answer. Furthermore it pulls it out of the realm of professional systems administration, but I digress. Nevertheless, It's like asking &quot;Doctor! I have a bruise that won't heal!&quot; and then much later in the conversation glibly saying &quot;Oh BTW I have cancer.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-04-09T23:43:43.287" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17387" PostId="8055" Score="0" Text="@JonEricson Also note that, when you say `Finally, any comments left on closed questions should explain the situation in a way that a knowledgeable visitor could make sense of it ` seems a bit redundant, since that's precisely the category that the comments on those closed questions inhabited. But maybe I didn't have enough coffee today. =)" CreationDate="2015-04-09T23:44:59.233" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17388" PostId="8055" Score="9" Text="@JonEricson See also below my anecdote about not being able to update `git` on a cPanel system because of its invasive changes. These are difficult to predict in advance. There do seem to be a few questions where the control panel is truly incidental, but from my spot check they appear to be quite rare. In the case Sven cited it was because the person had installed nginx completely orthogonally to the control panel." CreationDate="2015-04-09T23:46:00.000" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17389" PostId="8055" Score="3" Text="@Wesley: That's an interesting analogy. My guess is that most people who come to a doctor asking about a bruise that won't heal _don't know_ they have cancer. (And they may very well [have cancer](http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/leukemia/basics/symptoms/con-20024914).) In this case, people are mentioning the key information needed to understand the situation and _being chastised for it_. Worse, the comment is non-specific. I read a question about Qmail that was closed with that comment. Without more detail, it sounds like the site thinks that Qmail is an administrator panel." CreationDate="2015-04-09T23:58:55.143" UserId="1126" />
  <row Id="17390" PostId="8055" Score="7" Text="@JonEricson Like all analogies there are some shortcomings, but the key to your statement is here: `...people are mentioning the key information needed to understand the situation and being chastised for it.` Ahhh, but that's exactly what _isn't_ happening. Closed questions aren't chastisement. You can't ask questions on ServerFault about weeping tile, shutter speed, or server control panels. They all get closed as being off topic, but it's not punishment. It's just not on topic." CreationDate="2015-04-10T00:23:12.977" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17391" PostId="8055" Score="2" Text="And to me the close reason sounds to-the-point and easily interpreted. It says Control Panels are off topic, so there must be a Control Panel mentioned in the question... and there is. The fact that it's just a small percentage of the question's body is irrelevant. Kinda like no peeing in the pool. You pee just a little bit, and you gotta drain the whole thing because now it's tainted. So, win? =)" CreationDate="2015-04-10T00:24:26.843" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17392" PostId="8055" Score="4" Text="Closely related: [The same discussion from three years ago](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/3428/32986)" CreationDate="2015-04-10T02:18:15.407" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="17409" PostId="8055" Score="7" Text="I'm kind of disappointed that a Stack Exchange community manager thinks that putting a question on hold is chastising the asker, when that's fundamentally not how holding questions on Stack Exchange is supposed to work - a question on hold is one that's in the garage for repair as I recall. Or are we about to change back to calling them &quot;closed&quot; again?" CreationDate="2015-04-10T11:41:28.640" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="17414" PostId="8055" Score="4" Text="possible duplicate of [Is it time to kill problematic tags like cpanel, plesk, whm and webmin?](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6538/is-it-time-to-kill-problematic-tags-like-cpanel-plesk-whm-and-webmin)" CreationDate="2015-04-10T13:38:31.873" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17419" PostId="8055" Score="2" Text="From a user perspective, I can see how putting a question on hold is chastisement unless specific actions are requested.  I do fid it interesting that a question about grep (or finding strings) is somehow a control panel (http://serverfault.com/questions/35973/what-is-the-easiest-way-to-find-out-in-what-file-a-word-is-contained)" CreationDate="2015-04-10T14:43:45.973" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="17422" PostId="8055" Score="1" Text="It doesn't matter if you think closing makes users feel chastised/unwelcome or not.   The comment that was placed on these posts *actively emphasized* that the user isn't welcome directly: `...and tend to indicate low-quality questions from *users* with insufficient knowledge for this site.` (Note that the emphasis on &quot;user&quot; is NOT mine - it's in the robo-comment.)" CreationDate="2015-04-10T15:31:52.140" UserId="130222" />
  <row Id="17423" PostId="8055" Score="2" Text="@JimB lxadmin/kloxo is an admin panel, and if you look at that user's other questions, he is quite clearly asking another question about his system which has kloxo on it.  It also a very basic question that fails the &quot;professional&quot; test, is a duplicate of ... well, &quot;how do I use `grep`&quot;, and has attracted a large number of crappy answers.  So if you don't like the admin panel closure reason, that's fine.  There are multiple reasons for that question to be closed, and since there's no way to pick more than one close reason, I picked the most direct, unambiguous one. webpanel, off-topic, period." CreationDate="2015-04-10T15:36:03.280" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17424" PostId="8055" Score="3" Text="@Jaydles `The comment that was placed on these posts actively emphasized that the user isn't welcome directly` As does this community in general, our topicality page (and other help pages), other canned close reasons and the linked discussions on why admin panels are off topic.  **Server Fault is for professional systems administrators.** We don't want questions about your personal [whatever], or from *users*, and we state this clearly all over the place.  That wording you object to is a combination of another moderator's statements on control panels and one of our (old) close reasons." CreationDate="2015-04-10T15:42:49.283" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17427" PostId="8055" Score="1" Text="@Jaydles - I think we are in agreement- &quot;that was placed on these posts actively emphasized that the user isn't welcome directly&quot; is that not a chastisement? I'm not saying its wrong, its simply clearly &quot;go away&quot; message" CreationDate="2015-04-10T15:44:42.747" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="17428" PostId="8055" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b, we have content standards, not human standards.  If you  can't articulate the problem with the question without using that something is unwelcome about the *person*, than the question should be fine." CreationDate="2015-04-10T15:45:30.087" UserId="130222" />
  <row Id="17429" PostId="8055" Score="13" Text="...and this is exactly what's been driving away the expert users for years. You can't swing a dead cat around here without finding a 10k+ user who has completely walked away from the site, or no longer contributes on a regular basis, and the reason stated for the departure is always related to crappy questions from people who &quot;don't belong here.&quot;  In fact, that's even the reason the Comms Room is now abandoned for all intents and purposes.  A bunch of the community's high rep and respected users decided to pack it, and moved to a non Stack Exchange chat platform, for exactly this reason." CreationDate="2015-04-10T15:47:29.953" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17430" PostId="8055" Score="0" Text="@JimB, yes we agree - I think closing often *can* feel bad, but that complex question isn't necessery to address here - the note essentially says that questions like this usually come from the type of *people* who aren't welcome here, which, as you suggest, is a pretty clear &quot;go away.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-04-10T15:48:08.863" UserId="130222" />
  <row Id="17431" PostId="8055" Score="2" Text="@HopelessN00b The idea that a different question from a user (even If related) has some bearing on the quality of their current question is disturbing.  I'm certainly in agreement that the question was basic ( and I agree we've decided not to do basic questions) and should be closed.  You are right in that the close answers aren't simply &quot;This question does not appear to be about server, networking, or related infrastructure administration within the scope defined in the help center&quot; and perhaps there should be" CreationDate="2015-04-10T15:54:40.717" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="17432" PostId="8055" Score="5" Text="I read it as emphasizing _users_ in contrast with _sysadmins_.  If a person is a _user_ in their environment, their question is usually off-topic." CreationDate="2015-04-10T15:58:12.383" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="17433" PostId="8055" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b &quot;...and this is exactly what's been driving away the expert users for years.&quot;  I would suggest that an expert that walks away because other people can answer an &quot;easy &quot; question probably has other issues aside from deciding that its an experts only forum" CreationDate="2015-04-10T15:59:02.243" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="17434" PostId="8055" Score="5" Text="@JimB The reason that close reason is no longer used is because it caused a lot of confusion and complaints from posters. ~&quot;How is this off topic????  It's about my server, which has a fault... FUCK YOU JERKS!!!!&quot;  Sometimes the answer is &quot;sorry, but we can't help **you**,&quot; as we've been over many times on meta, and surrounding the &quot;minimal understanding&quot; close reason. You may find it disturbing, but it's the honest truth. Dealing with problem *users* (people) is also called out as one of the primary moderator responsibilities, since normal users can get privs to deal with problem content." CreationDate="2015-04-10T15:59:07.340" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17435" PostId="8055" Score="1" Text="I'm not upset that the close was for minimal understanding (and I'm not opposed to adding a &quot;go get a sysadmin book&quot; type response- I'm disturbed by the idea that completely different questions from the user are somehow used to evaluate the worth of the current question.  I guess I thought it was a that's a bad question, but try again vs. you seem like an idiot so don't bother posting any more." CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:03:42.400" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="17436" PostId="8055" Score="5" Text="@JimB You're welcome to dig up whatever you can find to support your position, but I'm currently in contact with a large number of the site's former respected users, and can tell you that the reasons they give for walking away or no longer contributing is that the site is a dumping ground for unprofessional questions from unprofessional users. I also took a ~one year hiatus from the site myself, so I speak from personal experience too. That cleaning up old, off-topic content has caused so much drama is extremely disheartening, and speaks to the viability of SF as a professional community." CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:04:41.520" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17438" PostId="8055" Score="3" Text="@JimB We all know that it's disingenuous to oversimplify it like that. Experts are here because they feel valued, appreciated, and to be part of a community.  When they take the time out of their day to answer a question from another person, only to be met with venom, then it takes a toll on their willingness to participate.  It's quite common to see a question akin to &quot;I want to do thing X, it's not working&quot;.  A common response is &quot;X is incorrect. Try Y&quot;.  This has about a 50% chance of causing a new user to jump into a profanity-laden tirade. Delete those, sure, but it still hurts." CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:06:20.747" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="17439" PostId="8055" Score="2" Text="@JimB And to add on to Hyppy's point, this is unfair to the venom-spewing new user as well. They are understandably pissed off that they were told they need to improve their question, which they did, only to find out that they wasted their time and effort, because that wasn't really the problem. The problem was that they don't know enough to participate in the community to begin with, and Server Fault was just wasting their time and stringing them along by implying or saying that their question might be reopened if they invested some effort.." CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:11:33.970" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17440" PostId="8055" Score="1" Text="Just to clarify some wording from @JimB above; &quot;I would suggest that an expert that walks away because other people can answer an &quot;easy &quot; question probably has other issues aside from deciding that its an experts only forum&quot; - I think it's worth noting that there is nothing here implying that it's an &quot;experts only&quot; forum, merely a professionals only one. The point here is that experts who add value to the site with their responses are more likely to leave if it's overwhelmed with questions from non-professionals, and I believe responses like HopelessN00b's need to be how it's dealt with." CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:18:58.570" UserId="256877" />
  <row Id="17441" PostId="8055" Score="2" Text="That is to say, whomever asks the question needn't be an expert on the topic(s) at hand per se, but they should certainly be a professional to participate here - and if it is clear that they are not, there should be a mechanism in place to deal with it." CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:21:00.740" UserId="256877" />
  <row Id="17442" PostId="8055" Score="0" Text="@Hyppy,@hopelessn00b I don't disagree, we've had some dopes show up.  And I'm not saying that we shouldn't somehow find a way to weed them out.  I'ver stated we need a better close reason- one that can clearly say - &quot;go google it&quot; OR &quot; state flat out in the close reason &quot; your question indicates you are are inexperienced in systems administration- we wish you luck in your career but would suggest you look elsewhere for this answer or find a reference guide for the platform&quot;" CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:24:01.933" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="17443" PostId="8055" Score="0" Text="If folks want to walk away I get it- I did as well for a while.  A professional sysadmin (I would expect) usually has pretty thick skin. There are a lot of folks that think they are professionals but aren't.  You'd be surprised how many professional admins can't correctly answer &quot;which of these is not a *nix command - grep, awk, sed, brp&quot;  (although now that I've posted it somebody will create a brp command just to ruin it).  However if your only issue is questions from &quot;non professionals&quot;  I'll agree to disagree but to me there has to be more to it IMHO" CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:33:39.497" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="17444" PostId="8055" Score="1" Text="@RobM: No, it's not closing that I mean when I used the word &quot;chastised&quot;. I was actually referring to the copy-and-paste comment that came with the close and the fact that the close reason seemed unrelated to the main thrust of the question. I get that using a product like cPanel complicates the question and might make it unanswerable. But it really seems dumb to train people to not mention this important bit of information for fear of reflex closures." CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:36:02.203" UserId="1126" />
  <row Id="17445" PostId="8055" Score="1" Text="@JonEricson have we seen any specific examples of the close reason being unrelated to the main thrust of the question yet?" CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:39:08.493" UserId="256877" />
  <row Id="17446" PostId="8055" Score="2" Text="@JonEricson If there are specific questions that were closed unfairly, as I'm sure there were because everyone makes a mistake, then let's reopen them for the community to decide on closure. I don't see what the huge deal is or why it requires a handful of community managers to descend." CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:44:53.790" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="17448" PostId="8055" Score="4" Text="@JimB If you want to contribute a better close reason, I encourage you to do so. Having said that, we recently spent *months* rewriting the &quot;unprofessional&quot; close reason to its current state about ~&quot;reasonable IT management practices,&quot; and IMO, have a worse, more confusing reason as a result. And why did we rewrite it?  Because **people** who were not sysadmins under any definition of the term complained about the previous &quot;unprofessional&quot; close reason. We've been doing this dance (oh, it's the content, not the person, even if it really is the person) for years, and we need to stop." CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:45:12.270" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17450" PostId="8055" Score="0" Text="@BE77Y: Here are 5 that I found: http://serverfault.com/q/35973/1126 http://serverfault.com/q/145277/1126 http://serverfault.com/q/342295/1126 http://serverfault.com/q/379318/1126 http://serverfault.com/q/375850/1126" CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:57:34.850" UserId="1126" />
  <row Id="17451" PostId="8055" Score="3" Text="I find that close reason confusing fwiw. I'd like one that simply points people to [How to ask a good question](http://serverfault.com/help/how-to-ask), ideally before they even try to ask a question. That page needs to be at the fore front, whether that user comes from the internet or from another SE site. Also, it's no secret [the quality of questions has been in decline]([How to ask a good question](http://serverfault.com/help/how-to-ask)). We often joke that we're becoming tech support for SO, and if we didn't try to hammer crap questions, that's exactly how it would be. Just take a look." CreationDate="2015-04-10T17:00:53.083" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17455" PostId="8055" Score="5" Text="@JonEricson: We could have either closed or migrated the grep one.  Does U&amp;L want a 6 year old accepted question? The 5 year old QMail/Kloxo one definitely falls into the panel category, as well as being &quot;insufficient info&quot;. The PHP/APC one should have been migrated to SO, though do they want 4 year old answered questions about aging/unsupported software? The DirectAdmin one is an issue with a Panel-modified VPS that the user barely knew how to operate, and was also 3 years old. The last one is a very poorly written question that devolved into asking how to configure a VPS panel 3 years ago." CreationDate="2015-04-10T17:34:04.643" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="17462" PostId="8055" Score="1" Text="@Hyppy Also, questions beyond a certain age display &quot;(too old for migration)&quot; in the close dialogue." CreationDate="2015-04-10T18:04:21.320" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17515" PostId="8055" Score="2" Text="@BE77Y Unfortunately there are quite a few questions where the close reasons did not fit. However I have a hard time believing this is in any way caused by malice. Most of them seem to be low quality questions that did not get closed, but would have had they popped up to the front page again. And HopelessN00b unfortunately closed them with a less than ideal close reason. I believe had he taken the extra time to close each of those with a separate reason there'd be less to pick on. However i also don't think the time would have been worth it if this hadn't blown up." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:55:39.550" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="20254" PostId="8056" Score="0" Text="If having a collection of applications run after the linux kernel has been installed using a popular distribution is a problem, then one would think you would simply stop using said software.  Wait ... that would be every 'flavor' out there. You are either administrating a server, or you are a user.  cPanel has an interface for both via the web which are very VERY different from each other even though named the same. In addition, cPanel does prefer to use their tested software. Something which RedHat / CentOS (based on RHEL), are forgetting to do." CreationDate="2016-01-30T05:13:14.983" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20255" PostId="8056" Score="0" Text="You're free to disagree with myself and the vast majority of the SF community." CreationDate="2016-01-30T05:40:27.300" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20260" PostId="8056" Score="0" Text="I am in agreeance with not walking people through non administrative tasks, however I do not agree with a complete blockade on something simply because it is a manager or offers some automation or ease of use for certain aspects using mostly open packages." CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:16:16.823" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="17378" PostId="8057" Score="1" Text="`I have yet to see a single one that was both high quality (or even medium quality!) and answerable by normal system administrators` - Do we see many of those at all (about managing the panel), even bad ones?  I agree that I haven't seen any good ones (though I haven't been looking), but I'm not sure if we should declare a software package as off-topic just because it's crappy; if we go down that road we'll need to apply the same treatment to, say, sharepoint and nagios too (I kid, I kid).  Why not just add them to ignored tags and let them sit unanswered?" CreationDate="2015-04-09T22:08:07.897" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="17379" PostId="8057" Score="10" Text="@ShaneMadden I'm not saying it should be off topic because it's crappy. In fact, it's not _really_ crappy... I'm saying it should be off topic because it's _unsupportable_." CreationDate="2015-04-09T22:09:50.690" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17393" PostId="8057" Score="1" Text="I would argue that your third category and a 4th category - `Installation and maintenance of a control panel` are a sysadmin task (versus a webmaster task), and are not off topic in and of themselves. There are best practices for doing both of those things (and while most *unix* admins would argue that the best practice for third-party control panels is not to install them to begin with we all know that sometimes our jobs preclude following best practices....)" CreationDate="2015-04-10T02:45:50.030" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="17394" PostId="8057" Score="5" Text="Also particularly in regard to your last category (trying to work around the tendrils of a cpanel-like front-end to manage the server by hand), I think it bears repeating that *&quot;Sometimes the answer is **NO**&quot;* (or &quot;Don't Do That!&quot;). We don't have to bend over backwards to find a solution if the best practice is to replace the system and be rid of the control panel: Explain why that is the case, and close future similar questions as a duplicate of the canonical &quot;You can't do that with webmin&quot; question." CreationDate="2015-04-10T02:47:58.027" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="17463" PostId="8057" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Fair enough, but I think we have enough tools at our disposal already for squashing crappy questions about crappy control panels without needing to add additional complexity to our close criteria; I don't feel like we really have need of some kind of a software blacklist, as good as it might feel to prominently display.  And one of these years, the unicorn of an interesting, well-researched, well-asked control panel question might just show up (Ok, I'm kidding myself)." CreationDate="2015-04-10T18:09:28.583" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="23249" PostId="8057" Score="0" Text="I know this is ancient but have to answer to @voretaq7: the answer &quot;You can't do that with webmin&quot; might be good, but this is the kind of answers that get obsolete quicky. They may add some functionality so some &quot;no&quot; answer becomes wrong. They may remove some functionality, so some &quot;do this way&quot; answer becomes invalid. We can't track it here and we shouldn't. Such answers are best given by the front line support which we are not. So it seems the best is to not to attempt to cross-breed bears and bees, so to not to answer *any* questions about panels, or only answer with &quot;ask your vendor&quot;." CreationDate="2023-10-17T08:09:48.603" UserId="325117" />
  <row Id="17380" PostId="8058" Score="12" Text="Actually, if you search the body of those questions, you will find an admin panel in every one of them.  Though often not explicitly stated in the question, a path which betrays the existence of the administration panel can be found in the posted configs or console messages." CreationDate="2015-04-09T22:43:51.387" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17381" PostId="8058" Score="18" Text="Why were the actions controversial? Controversial in terms of the user whose question is closed? Yes, these were indeed. But controversial in terms of the stated topicality of SF, I'm not seeing it." CreationDate="2015-04-09T23:01:08.830" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17382" PostId="8058" Score="28" Text="Determining topicality via grep isn't controversial here, @EEAA? Ooookay. In that case, I can solve all of your moderation problems in 5 minutes - just give me a list of keywords and we can all go home." CreationDate="2015-04-09T23:13:42.880" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17383" PostId="8058" Score="3" Text="@Shog9 Hah, that's not a bad idea. :)" CreationDate="2015-04-09T23:26:29.380" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17397" PostId="8058" Score="25" Text="While I'm not opposed to Bulk Closing &amp; other cleanups, that's usually something that gets brought up on Meta (to provide a lasting record of the rationale, discussion, and consensus). While we've traditionally *coordinated* the cleanup efforts through chat they are *documented* on Meta." CreationDate="2015-04-10T03:16:40.540" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="17410" PostId="8058" Score="7" Text="Is this what you missed http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6538/is-it-time-to-kill-problematic-tags-like-cpanel-plesk-whm-and-webmin ?" CreationDate="2015-04-10T12:03:33.187" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17411" PostId="8058" Score="9" Text="Actually, dialog was had on this [Months ago](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/6541/154913)" CreationDate="2015-04-10T12:17:47.690" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17413" PostId="8058" Score="12" Text="@shog9 While I would not be opposed to grepping for the names of administration panels and closing every result programmatically, I actually read every question I closed, and selected what I believe to be the most specific, unambiguous reason, which was usually that custom one. This does not mean, or imply it's the **only** reason, as for example, [with this question](http://serverfault.com/q/297756). I closed it yesterday with the administration panel reason (cPanel), but it is also off topic for at least 3 other reasons, and has already collected 2 close votes as of the time of this comment." CreationDate="2015-04-10T12:57:59.370" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17415" PostId="8058" Score="29" Text="Web panels are off-topic, period.  This has been discussed every few months for as long as I can remember.  The community consensus has always been to remove them with extreme prejudice.  This seems like it's less of an effort to reign in a &quot;rogue moderator&quot; and more like an effort to influence the community's standards for professionalism." CreationDate="2015-04-10T13:38:41.430" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="17421" PostId="8058" Score="8" Text="@Hyppy - I would actually concur with that last sentence.  I know N00b can be course and swift in his dealing with questions/users.  I've never seen him do it as a moderator based strictly on his own opinions though, but based on the guidelines (whether written or tribal knowledge) of the SF community.  He's VERY active since being moderator, which I saw as a good thing, but maybe moderators aren't supposed to be seen by the general public overall.  Regardless I guess it's Shog's/SE's call to do what they feel is best for the community/site/SE." CreationDate="2015-04-10T15:27:12.400" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17453" PostId="8058" Score="0" Text="@BigHomie The topicality of these kinds of questions has definitely been discussed at length, but a cleanup campaign has not been - when we've done those in the past, a meta post lets other people weigh in on the criteria we use to evaluate what gets closed/what gets edited and improved/what gets migrated to a site that wants them, lets people scan the tag for anything they think can be salvaged or that doesn't fit in the criteria, and communicates to everyone visiting the site (including community managers) what's being done by the *community* (instead of by a single moderator)." CreationDate="2015-04-10T17:19:51.170" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="17454" PostId="8058" Score="6" Text="@ShaneMadden You mean a meta post like http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6538/is-it-time-to-kill-problematic-tags-like-cpanel-plesk-whm-and-webmin ?" CreationDate="2015-04-10T17:31:33.333" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17456" PostId="8058" Score="7" Text="@JennyD That tag cleanup was a different effort which was completed months ago - and the highest voted answer on that question, Michael's, implies that if we were to do a cleanup campaign we'd have some legwork to do to determine which questions were worth sending to webmasters.  I'm not saying a cleanup wasn't warranted or due, I'm saying that the right way to do it is to discuss in meta first." CreationDate="2015-04-10T17:36:09.680" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="17464" PostId="8058" Score="3" Text="I took away from that post that there was indeed going to be a conflagration of bad, off-topic Q/As. I dunno what other conclusion could be made. We're supposed to discuss cleanups and mass closures / migrations, we discussed it out in the open, boom. *Let's get back to question closin'!*" CreationDate="2015-04-10T18:25:58.187" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17501" PostId="8058" Score="28" Text="I don't agree with at least a part of the closures, they where overzealous and indeed, the whole &quot;project&quot; could have been much better communicated. Anyway,  frankly I think the way you handled this is just terrible. Maybe it's a language thing, but from my understanding of the english language, a command(!) like &quot;Explain this.&quot; paired with repeated complaints to not have received an answer after a short time is completely inappropriate. You are not our boss, we are doing this mod  thing for free, in out spare time. In the other question, you even named HopelessN00b a liar. That's insane." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:33:37.030" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17517" PostId="8058" Score="20" Text="You're volunteers and you're doing this of your own free will, @Sven. We've built extremely powerful tools for y'all to use in service to the community here... Tools that can do a great deal of damage if abused. You're free to not use them, but if you do then you should expect - heck, you should *demand* - some amount of oversight. This is the second time in two months I've had to clean up after reckless, uninformed use of these tools with no attempt made to communicate with the public or even with the rest of the mod team. I was very polite the first time, but this isn't a PR problem anymore." CreationDate="2015-04-10T21:01:00.333" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17520" PostId="8058" Score="5" Text="I agree that a bit of oversight is necessary, but honestly, I was a bit shocked when I started to make sense of the whole story after the drama already unfolded. I admit to have mostly ignored the tag-removal episode (I don't see so much value in them and in the matter of which stays, which gets removed and which is created)." CreationDate="2015-04-10T21:18:49.810" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17524" PostId="8058" Score="5" Text="No one thinks too hard about tags until something bad happens and you need to decide if it's worth pulling backups, @Sven. Not the first time a moderator screwed that up; I guess it's time we took a hard look at those tools &amp; ask whether anyone should have access to them." CreationDate="2015-04-10T21:37:28.667" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17548" PostId="8058" Score="0" Text="`the majority of those I checked made no mention of such tools.` Can we have a list of those questions? I've seen 5 from AndrewB, but are there more?" CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:27:24.843" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17557" PostId="8058" Score="10" Text="[This is the most complete list of closed questions I have right now](https://stackedit.io/viewer#!provider=gist&amp;gistId=c76f9e3d39de15cae1af&amp;filename=cpanelsf.md), @BigHomie; it goes back to late December. Most of the early ones seem pretty cut-and-dried off-topic - I suspect those were part of the tag cleanups prior to the tag-merges. Later questions have a lot more Kloxo and CentOS stuff, mixed with... not sure yet. Some of the mods have been going through this a bit more carefully." CreationDate="2015-04-11T01:45:45.397" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17577" PostId="8058" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 thanks, so when can the community expect a post mortem?" CreationDate="2015-04-11T19:15:15.057" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17585" PostId="8058" Score="1" Text="Monday should be feasible, @BigHomie" CreationDate="2015-04-12T01:16:12.717" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17627" PostId="8058" Score="8" Text="So N00b has been closing lots of crappy, off-topic questions?  And 500 over 2 months is a sudden avalanche that implies he's been somehow too trigger happy?  I'm not seeing it." CreationDate="2015-04-13T11:00:25.973" UserId="196673" />
  <row Id="17630" PostId="8058" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 [You two had dialog about this tag a couple of months ago](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/7925/should-the-rep-requirement-for-creating-tags-on-server-fault-be-raised/7960#comment17069_7960), is the tag cleaning here not related? He had to clear the questions out of [tag:off-topic] before deleting it, b/c of a tech error it ballooned to 10.8k," CreationDate="2015-04-13T12:26:35.310" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17631" PostId="8058" Score="1" Text="and he mentions closing 800 questions in a week, far steeper slope than the 500 in two months that has happened here. It seems that is really where it all started. Can you include the difference between what happened then and what happened last week in your post mortem? I just want to make sure in the future, if anyone wants to do something similar, they know what they should do." CreationDate="2015-04-13T12:26:48.360" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17637" PostId="8058" Score="1" Text="The tag thing is tangentially-related, @bighomie, in that the question cleanup should've been done before those were removed. But this wasn't directly related to that, and I'm somewhat hesitant to lump in questions that were closed or deleted as part of that - as I said above, that sort of large-scale activity is *expected*, and thankfully it was reasonably well documented here. **[edit:** ok, actually looks like this was a lot more related to the tag cleanup than I realized, and wasn't very well documented. I'll post my full analysis soon; need to have another look at this. **]**" CreationDate="2015-04-13T15:03:47.627" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17704" PostId="8058" Score="5" Text="The updates here coupled with the whole slew of comments make this answer seem like two separate ones. And it might confuse people in the future who read them and try and make sense of the comments." CreationDate="2015-04-15T07:56:21.607" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21496" PostId="8058" Score="1" Text="@Reaces comments are meant to be temporary, their purpose is to make the post better. As far as I can see it worked here, the answer makes lots of sense in my opinion, so no need to go over its comments. I must admit, I don't envy Shog... Managing the moderators is surely not an easy task." CreationDate="2016-11-11T12:12:20.613" UserId="84372" />
  <row Id="17403" PostId="8060" Score="0" Text="If [webmasters.se] is the appropriate target, maybe we could add them as a migration target to the close system?" CreationDate="2015-04-10T10:13:46.860" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17404" PostId="8060" Score="0" Text="@JennyD I'm already looking into that." CreationDate="2015-04-10T10:17:28.963" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17405" PostId="8060" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Great! (Part of the reason for my suggesting migrating them to [unix.se] is that it's a lot easier to bump stuff when the bumping is automatic...)" CreationDate="2015-04-10T10:19:52.887" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17406" PostId="8060" Score="0" Text="@JennyD Though, I think you probably should have asked your question on _their_ meta..." CreationDate="2015-04-10T10:20:46.503" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17407" PostId="8060" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton You mean on [webmaster.se]'s meta? I haven't hung out there, so they weren't on my radar at all." CreationDate="2015-04-10T10:24:02.803" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17408" PostId="8060" Score="2" Text="@JennyD Oh, you're right, you've never posted there. But hey, I have 639 reputation there, I'll do it! After I get some sleep, I'm up way past my bedtime." CreationDate="2015-04-10T10:25:33.173" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17550" PostId="8060" Score="2" Text="@JennyD [I've officially asked Webmasters for an opinion.](http://meta.webmasters.stackexchange.com/q/1343/17007)" CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:36:20.360" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17396" PostId="8061" Score="7" Text="Your point about `smitty` echoes mine about these panels. Smitty is a utility that ships with the OS itself for managing the OS. These panels... kinda make their own OS out of one that looks suspiciously like one we know from elsewhere." CreationDate="2015-04-10T03:07:36.703" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="17398" PostId="8061" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 Many do. But many &quot; operating systems&quot; (FreePBX Distro, for example) ship with the control panel baked right in - the web admin panel for the FreePBX distro is functionally equivalent to `smit` on AIX. If you admin FreePBX Distro on the command line it &quot;looks suspiciously like&quot; CentOS, but if you do anything tricky on the command line it will quickly disabuse you of that notion by eating your changes or misbehaving in other ways." CreationDate="2015-04-10T03:21:21.600" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="17399" PostId="8061" Score="0" Text="FreePBX (at least, the version I'm running) manages asterisk, apache and little else. Your line cards, if you have them. It really doesn't get invasive in the way cPanel does, and even the &quot;FreePBX Distro&quot; is little more than CentOS with FreePBX preinstalled." CreationDate="2015-04-10T07:49:42.187" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17416" PostId="8061" Score="3" Text="`smitty` is more like `MMC` or Server Administrator from Windows-land, in my opinion.  Those are &quot;control panels&quot; for Windows, but they're made to be there.  `cPanel`, `webmin`, and their cousins are an abstraction that the underlying utilities know nothing about and are often the cause of just as many problems as they solve." CreationDate="2015-04-10T13:46:26.010" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="17425" PostId="8061" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton The version of FreePBX Distro I'm using is pretty old, but it's got a separate &quot;thing&quot; to set the machine's IP &amp; DNS configuration and a web-based OS package manager. It wouldn't surprise me if they've gotten rid of it (it's CRAP!), but it's a part of this release." CreationDate="2015-04-10T15:42:49.430" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="17426" PostId="8061" Score="3" Text="@Hyppy `smitty` has the advantage of being designed by the OS developer, but the underlying utilities know nothing about it either (in fact as I recall `smitty` will show you the command it's about to execute and even let you edit it if you disagree with its ideas about what needs to happen -- would that crappy webmin-like panels could do the same and maybe ***educate the frikkin' users*** about what's going on behind the scenes!)" CreationDate="2015-04-10T15:44:35.913" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="17461" PostId="8061" Score="1" Text="@voretaq7 Right, my FreePBX box gets managed via yum and puppet just like every other box, and FreePBX really doesn't care. Try that with a machine with cPanel installed and you're in for a world of hurt." CreationDate="2015-04-10T18:03:37.587" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17558" PostId="8061" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton My FreePBX box gets neglected like the readheaded Linux stepchild it is. I would beat it except I think it would like that." CreationDate="2015-04-11T02:00:13.630" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="19005" PostId="8061" Score="5" Text="+1 to this. **I used to be a professional sysadmin whose job included managing servers with cPanel on them**. The questions I asked which related to cPanel were almost always &quot;How can I do this sysadmin task in such a way as it won't break cPanel&quot;, which had I asked cPanel for support, they would have said &quot;We don't support that&quot;... yet, I often found ways to still use the standard command-line tools we all know and love _and_ exist alongside cPanel. It saddens me that such knowledge can no longer be shared with others who are in the position I used to be in." CreationDate="2015-06-12T14:30:57.263" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="20253" PostId="8061" Score="0" Text="So, in a nutshell you are stating that software is ok so long as it's unsupported and not paid for, and that it is absent of any sort of tool in the form of a script, set of scripts, application, or set of applications, or any combination of these -- which assist in making the tasks simpler ?  I would say that nails out around 90% of serverfault content.  Just state you don't support any software or firmware of any kind. Only physical as long as the hardware doesn't have any software driving it !" CreationDate="2016-01-30T05:08:08.540" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20256" PostId="8061" Score="0" Text="@SanuelJackson You're deliberately mis-representing here." CreationDate="2016-01-30T06:06:13.027" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20259" PostId="8061" Score="0" Text="Sorry @voretaq7, this comment was more in kind towards those who are thinking no assistance should be given for control panels here even if it is only from the administration side, not from the consumer side.  In this I actually agree with you." CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:14:39.273" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="17395" PostId="8062" Score="4" Text="There are 10 questions tagged with keytab, and _all_ of them also have the kerberos tag." CreationDate="2015-04-10T02:55:46.657" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17437" PostId="8062" Score="2" Text="yup- Keytab should be deleted" CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:05:48.517" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="17420" PostId="8065" Score="4" Text="I'm kind of imagining Hopeless letting out a long sigh at the top one and closing it as &quot;cpanel&quot; to be merciful." CreationDate="2015-04-10T15:09:40.230" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17447" PostId="8065" Score="2" Text="Yes, the first example was one that caught my eye too. The reference to `lxadmin` is clearly incidental to the question at hand. If the asker had happened to mention some other directory, the question would not be closed. The problem was clearly a misunderstanding of how `grep` works and not the directory being searched." CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:45:01.913" UserId="1126" />
  <row Id="17449" PostId="8065" Score="0" Text="@Reaces That was exactly it, actually.  It seemed nicer and more constructive than &quot;Closing because you don't know what the hell you're doing/need to read the man page.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-04-10T16:55:12.867" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17452" PostId="8065" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b: You mean the `grep` man page, right? Cause your comment doesn't seem to be aware that the question is about a basic Unix command. It seems to be under the impression that `grep` is an administration panel, which is bizarre." CreationDate="2015-04-10T17:07:06.507" UserId="1126" />
  <row Id="17467" PostId="8065" Score="0" Text="@JonEricson The question is originally about a basic Unix command, yes, but even the presence of an administration panel on a system can and will introduce so much unexpected behavior that questions which are discovered to be about systems that have them installed, even if it does not _appear_ to be pertinent, are off topic and unanswerable. In that case the OP outed themselves as working on a system with LxCenter installed on it by mentioned a `lxadmin` directory." CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:17:23.510" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17468" PostId="8065" Score="4" Text="`It seems to be under the impression that grep is an administration panel, which is bizarre.` The close reason plainly states &quot;Even the presence of an administration panel on a system...&quot; which makes it clear that grep is not being considered as an administration panel, but rather that an admin panel is on the system which makes any question about any thing on the system off topic. Admin panels on a system are almost universally the kiss of death for any repeatable, standard solution. SF's community has deemed them (almost) universally off topic as a result. Reference: 5 years of meta =)" CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:20:04.370" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17491" PostId="8065" Score="2" Text="@Wesley: I don't believe that the mere presence of an admin panel makes a question OT if the core of the question is obviously unrelated to it. Taking this stance is akin to punishing people just for using them and this isn't my goal at least. If the panel affects the question, fine, close it, but if not, leave it open (if otherwise acceptable)." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:23:07.687" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17508" PostId="8065" Score="1" Text="@Sven `I don't believe that the mere presence of an admin panel makes a question OT if the core of the question is obviously unrelated to it.` But the core of a question can _never_ be unrelated to the presence of an admin panel because an admin panel is so rooted into a system. It's virtually identical to the case of someone on SuperUser asking why a system component is behaving a certain way, and then confessing that they have a virus. The virus's presence makes everything the system has and does immediately unsupportable with a repeatable answer almost impossible to give." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:40:50.140" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17509" PostId="8065" Score="2" Text="@JonEricson I'm not entirely sure where you got `seems to be under the impression that grep is an administration panel` from. This is a somewhat common occurrence with closures done by Hopeless where he chooses the least confronting close reason that could fit. In this case it was clearly `RTFM` as the question completely misconstrued the usage of `grep`. However as the question popped up in his tag clean-up / closure wave he read it, decided that closing it for cpanel reasons was less harsh and it blew up in his face. I don't see the amount of malice / incompetence you're implying here." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:41:07.363" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17511" PostId="8065" Score="0" Text="@Sven Also, there is no punishment involved. That word has been bandied about a lot in this discussion. &quot;People keep using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means.&quot; Question closures are not punishment. We keep ServerFault's topicality relevant by closing questions that are not on topic: rollerskating, bug spray, admin panels on servers." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:41:16.067" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17458" PostId="8066" Score="6" Text="The problem isn't applying community standards to moderation - it's that a moderator shouldn't undertake a large cleanup campaign without discussing it with the community first.  Your efforts are appreciated, but the fact that we're debating the closure of specific questions that got swept up in your cleanup after they were closed instead of beforehand, as well as debating the wording of the comment you're using (which is open to interpretation in two different ways) shows that we clearly could have done this better with some discussion and additional eyeballs beforehand." CreationDate="2015-04-10T17:49:08.260" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="17460" PostId="8066" Score="7" Text="@ShaneMadden Well, for whatever it's worth, my entire tenure as moderator has been one big cleanup effort, and it's both deeply counter-intuitive and extremely demoralizing that cleaning up clear-cut, off-topic content from years ago should require community discussion before hand. &quot;Here's a mod diamond, but before you use it/do what you said in your campaign, discuss it first on meta, [even if you just did](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/6538/118258).&quot;" CreationDate="2015-04-10T18:02:23.787" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17465" PostId="8066" Score="2" Text="You avoided answering my question yesterday and you are straight-up lying here. I'm done trying to protect you." CreationDate="2015-04-10T18:27:03.707" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17466" PostId="8066" Score="27" Text="@Shog9 I'm honestly shocked that such a comment would be the official stance of Stack Exchange. This is deeply disturbing.  When did it become personal?" CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:09:53.577" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="17469" PostId="8066" Score="7" Text="@Shog9 I have no idea what you're referencing, and no desire for anyone's protection. I've [posted my response to you in the other thread](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/8068). I am only willing to do the moderator job as it should be done, and only willing to participate in the Server Fault community on the premise that it is a professional community for systems administrations professionals. If either of those things are a problem, proceed to suspend or delete my account as you see fit, but either way, I won't return until next week, which should be enough time for you to come to a decision." CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:20:43.123" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17470" PostId="8066" Score="15" Text="I'm a simple guy and maybe I have an over-simplified view of this issue, but @hopelessn00b was elected as a moderator **by the community**, partly because we expected and desired this type of action. We needed someone who would use the moderator privileges to clean up the garbage that has been so desperately in need of being cleaned up. Whether he does that one post or one hundred posts at a time is immaterial to me." CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:25:28.730" UserId="19152" />
  <row Id="17503" PostId="8066" Score="4" Text="@HopelessN00b While I'm fully supportive of the closures, and I have yet to find / see anyone mention a question that should not have been closed (regardless of the reason). I do think that the [often mentioned post](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6538/is-it-time-to-kill-problematic-tags-like-cpanel-plesk-whm-and-webmin) is ambiguous. It could be read as being about removing tags (the question) or closing questions (several of the answers) as such it's causing split opinions and might not be a useful defense for either side." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:35:14.133" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17486" PostId="8067" Score="14" Text="*&quot;I don't think it's unreasonable for Noob to spend some time thinking before posting.&quot;* -- Accurate, particularly given his stated intent to cool off before replying. A great deal of his criticism going into this position was entering into verbal conflicts &quot;too hot&quot;, and that has the appearance of both self-awareness and self-control." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:11:56.307" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17487" PostId="8067" Score="14" Text="Great edit/addition. @Shog9 honestly I feel like you are intentionally trying to either misread or misconstrue what Hopelessn00b is saying. You asked him to explain himself. He did. He also has explained several times his reasoning for the close reason he was using. Why continue the negativity? We all have a clear picture of what happened, and how things should be handled from here on out. Let's move on." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:15:01.990" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17489" PostId="8067" Score="5" Text="You might be right about the question being unclear. I'm honestly still scrambling to figure out what was being done here, so I don't yet know what questions I should be asking. One way or another though, I'm going to find out by what criteria these questions were being identified, and by what mechanism they were being closed. The answers to those questions may well raise other questions. I *really* would've appreciated a frank, factual explanation from Hopeless himself a day ago, but it's increasingly clear that I'm not going to get that." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:18:30.697" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17518" PostId="8067" Score="5" Text="@Shog9 I'm somewhat flabbergasted, which answer did not get a frank factual explanation? I thought everything was being discussed openly and quite frankly but things don't seem to be cooling down at all. And currently you're being very vocal and seem very defensive / emotional. It might just be how I'm reading it and not entirely true, but you seem like you need some time to collect your thoughts." CreationDate="2015-04-10T21:01:11.163" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17519" PostId="8067" Score="6" Text="@Shog9 That's kinda what we're getting at. Even before he became a mod, Hopeless had his hand slapped on several occasions for being too confrontational. Consider a scenario where Hopeless truly believed he was doing his job, and then had his mod status stripped with a perception of little to no warning. The probability of him needing to step away in order to form a coherent response ranges from &quot;high&quot; to &quot;a certainty&quot;. I'm also somewhat inclined to agree with Reaces. There's something that you're trying to communicate to us regarding alleged avoidance of topic that just isn't connecting." CreationDate="2015-04-10T21:02:52.373" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17521" PostId="8067" Score="1" Text="@Shog9: `by what mechanism they where closed`. I only know of one such mechanism, so do you somehow suspect he built himself a closebot of sorts?" CreationDate="2015-04-10T21:19:19.563" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17523" PostId="8067" Score="11" Text="That was my concern a day ago, @Sven (hence the prompt de-modding). After digging into this for a while, I believe it was merely a collection of keyword searches combined with some specialized tools. We'll continue researching this." CreationDate="2015-04-10T21:34:51.353" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17526" PostId="8067" Score="0" Text="@Shog9: OK, that gives a bit better perspective to your side." CreationDate="2015-04-10T21:40:29.987" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17528" PostId="8067" Score="11" Text="@Shog9 After this is done, and if there is anything found, I hope we'll get a bit more insight as to what was done and how. Because reading the threads no mention was made of automated closing besides just now by Sven. This whole thing is twisting into several shapes and it's odd/hard to follow your reasoning. First it was about doing something without community consent, then about a lack of disclosure, then about using canned responses and not responding to user questions, and now there's talk of automation and abusing tools. A single, coherent, plot would help with understanding all of it." CreationDate="2015-04-10T21:59:55.583" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17529" PostId="8067" Score="7" Text="@Reaces Bingo. It seems like every time a complaint is checkmated, a new one comes up. &quot;It was without community discussion and consent!&quot; Yes, there was community discussion and consent.  &quot;There needed to be disclosure!&quot; ...for adhering to the FAQ and discussing it in meta? &quot;Canned responses and user complaints!&quot; They're accurate and well documented responses that represent the FAQ and stated mission of ServerFault; user complaints are pointless if their original question is off topic. I'm suspecting that the next step is to allege that hopelessn00b killed Abraham Lincoln." CreationDate="2015-04-10T22:23:47.160" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17530" PostId="8067" Score="8" Text="If it helps, @Reaces, I was originally hoping to resolve this in &lt; 30 minutes via a private conversation. Instead, this got dragged into public and I've done my best since then to keep up with it without intentionally spreading misinformation - even as I was (and still am) lacking a complete picture myself. I've handled hundreds of similar situations in the past, but this one takes the cake - I have a lot of work left to do here before I can be sure I'm being accurate, so the best I can tell you right now is *what* I'm doing and *why* I'm doing it. Which, incidentally, is all I ask of mods." CreationDate="2015-04-10T22:25:57.847" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17531" PostId="8067" Score="7" Text="@Shog9 To be honest I'm not entirely sure what the what (heh) and why is yet. I assume the what is investigating and the why is because you suspect power abuse. But so far theres been a lot of talk of lies and betrayal and some soap opera worthy conversations. Maybe a &quot;this is what we're doing and this is why&quot; post from the community managers is exactly what we need in stead of a jumble of comments spread across two questions containing a dozen answers." CreationDate="2015-04-10T22:31:46.750" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17534" PostId="8067" Score="4" Text="Read [this answer](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8054/abrupt-change-in-moderation-staff/8058#8058), @Reaces. It describes what I have been doing, what I will be doing, and why I've been doing it. Ignore the comments - they're for the benefit of a handful of people who already know how this went down but aren't letting on in order to prolong the drama here for their own amusement. I sincerely apologize for the disruption - if I'd been watching more closely two months ago, I might've identified this sooner and been able to resolve it before it gathered steam." CreationDate="2015-04-10T22:39:56.503" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17536" PostId="8067" Score="8" Text="@Shog9 It is not my intent to be one of those people. With utmost sincerity, I am *still* trying to make the connection between what you are implying here and what has been presented as evidence. Very strong accusations are being made, both in your last comment and the one Noob's answer links to. If those are accurate, so be it. What we *need* is an understanding of how you're arriving at this conclusion of malicious intent. Yeah, some of us have been fairly critical of SE in the past and our bickering is nothing new, but if your severe statements are justified that's water under the bridge." CreationDate="2015-04-10T22:47:57.090" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17537" PostId="8067" Score="3" Text="@Shog9 The latest comments there hint at something more going on than was initially what's going on, but I for one am not part of `who already know how this went down but aren't letting on in order to prolong the drama here for their own amusement`  I'll wait and see what else comes up...." CreationDate="2015-04-10T22:51:04.160" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="17538" PostId="8067" Score="2" Text="@Shog9 It doesn't seem unreasonable to search for keywords when the relevant tags are long gone and can no longer be searched for instead (and even if they existed, posts might be incorrectly tagged). And I'm going to have to build a small tool just to _review_ this list of questions properly, so I'm not sure why the fixation on using specialized tools? What am I missing here?" CreationDate="2015-04-10T22:54:35.403" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17539" PostId="8067" Score="7" Text="I use &quot;specialized tools&quot; all the time, @Michael. Some of the other mods have entire libraries of scripts they use to help them. Used judiciously, that isn't a problem. [Remember this?](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/7922/google-cloud-platform-support-on-server-fault) Specialized tool. It ain't the tooling, it's how you use it - notice how folks who disagreed with what I did there were able to both find out what was going on *and* offer feedback, because I *talked about it in public?* Y'all didn't have to ask Shane to pull logs to figure out what Shog was up to, you just went to meta." CreationDate="2015-04-10T23:40:23.373" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17471" PostId="8068" Score="17" Text="`No new meta discussion.` We've been talking about this topic, with actual resolutions to _actually take action and close questions of this nature_ for **years.** I don't understand how anyone could be blindsided by this. This was not a cabal decision. This was not unilateral. This should have taken no one by surprise. Whatever is being smoked, ship it up to Colorado because there's some cancer patients that need the good stuff." CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:27:35.127" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17472" PostId="8068" Score="2" Text="I asked you a simple question, which you have yet to answer: why were you closing questions en masse with a canned comment that doesn't explain the closure. Getting on your high horse about the problems with web-admin questions is nice rhetoric, but that isn't the problem here: no one gave you a mandate to sweep the site clean of questions that you *personally* felt were tainted, notify the askers with a canned comment, and then ignore replies. You were trusted with powerful tools to serve the community, and expected to be open and honest about how you use them." CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:42:00.613" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17473" PostId="8068" Score="17" Text="@Shog9 - who do we complain to about your actions?" CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:42:47.473" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="17474" PostId="8068" Score="14" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/contact @mfinni - or just post here on meta, of course." CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:44:38.043" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17475" PostId="8068" Score="6" Text="`no one gave you a mandate to sweep the site clean of questions that you personally felt were tainted...` I thought the community elected him moderator to do that though, among other things. 5 normal votes to close a question, or 1 mod vote @Shog9." CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:45:47.750" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17476" PostId="8068" Score="15" Text="@Shog9: &quot;No one gave you mandate...&quot;. Plain wrong. He got elected as a mod by the community, which I consider as just that mandate. I didn't end up doing something like this as I honestly don't see all that much value in such a campaign to justify the amount of clickwork involved." CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:48:13.577" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17477" PostId="8068" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 `..yet to answer: why were you closing questions en masse with a canned comment that doesn't explain the closure.`  The response was `..I got tired of being notified by by people asking me to explain how their administration panel question was in one of those categories, so I made up a custom close reason. At first, just that first sentence, but people complained or wanted an explanation in notifications to me..`" CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:48:24.553" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17478" PostId="8068" Score="5" Text="Partial quote, @BigHomie? Go on, read the rest. Acting as you believe the community wishes you to? Great! Acting as you wish and misrepresenting what you're actually doing to make it *look like* you're just enforcing the rules? Not great." CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:49:12.487" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17479" PostId="8068" Score="1" Text="I read the whole thing @Shog9, I know you have your reasons for doing what you did, and am not trying to flame, but I'm trying to understand your side, I'm just curious: Are you saying that he was wrong for closing the questions, or he was wrong for not explicitly creating a meta question about it?" CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:51:40.017" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17480" PostId="8068" Score="11" Text="I feel like this really doesn't need to be this controversial - I get that many people here are upset at decisions being made from outside the SF community, but is &quot;there should probably be a discussion on meta before blanket-closing hundreds of questions&quot; really such an imposition? (and yes, there was discussion of tag cleanup, which was completed months ago and does not cover the kinds of specifics that are needed for question cleanup - saying it was already agreed to is disingenuous)" CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:52:01.167" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="17481" PostId="8068" Score="4" Text="@shanemadden It is this controversial, and frankly the actions taken here today by the Stack Exchange team have been abhorrent. If the wishes of the community are to be treated this way,  then so be it. It's your site,  but I for one want no part of it." CreationDate="2015-04-10T19:56:13.783" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="17482" PostId="8068" Score="7" Text="@Hyppy I think we're talking past each other.  I understand that it's controversial now, but it doesn't need to have been - this all could have been avoided by having a discussion within the community about how to proceed; then Shog would have been able to tell what was going on when he ran across the closures. That's all I'm saying - can we not agree that this would have turned out a lot better if that had happened?" CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:00:26.123" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="17483" PostId="8068" Score="7" Text="Sure, perhaps. Does Shog come off here sounding like an unpleasant person who's not willing to work with &quot;our people&quot;? Yes." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:05:19.020" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="17484" PostId="8068" Score="6" Text="We need to make meta discussions about closing things that are explicitly off topic and documented as being such? Or is there some threshold of closure activity that can be crossed? Even if we _did_ need to warn before closing demonstrably off-topic questions, we discussed it publicly in meta and the links to those discussions have already been posted, but apparently not digested well enough. None of this took anyone who was paying attention to meta by surprise. The only people complaining are the ones who had their off-topic questions closed." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:11:09.703" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17485" PostId="8068" Score="4" Text="@ShaneMadden `is &quot;there should probably be a discussion on meta before blanket-closing hundreds of questions&quot; really such an imposition?` No, not at all, but Shog seems to think there's something more nefarious going on than a mod closing a ton of questions without posting specifically about it on meta.  It's pretty clear the community wants them closed, so the only thing Noob did wrong was not specifically say he was going to go on a closing tear." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:11:20.400" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="17488" PostId="8068" Score="4" Text="@Ward Well, I think his other concern is that some questions got swept up that aren't actually about control panels, but just happened to mention them (or have them in a filename, etc), so the close reason comment wasn't appropriate for them." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:16:01.767" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="17490" PostId="8068" Score="3" Text="@Shane To which HopelessN00b's stance is that this did not occur, so it's kind of circular at the moment. For that to be held in evidence, we need demonstrated cases where that occurred. Pick 3-5 instances where this has allegedly occurred and get his thoughts on them. Some may disagree with me, but I'm inclined to believe that he will own the mistake if you catch him in it." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:21:36.467" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17492" PostId="8068" Score="12" Text="@ShaneMadden: **I think his other concern is that some questions got swept up that aren't actually about control panels, but just happened to mention them** - If that did in fact happen, then we're punishing N00b because of the 1 thing he got wrong instead of supporting the 99 he got right?" CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:24:33.347" UserId="19152" />
  <row Id="17493" PostId="8068" Score="5" Text="I agree, if there were questions that were wrongfully closed, we should know the quantity, and of course, `links or it didn't happen.`" CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:25:14.773" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17494" PostId="8068" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden That's reasonable and it's possible that a few questions weren't &quot;Admin panel-y&quot; enough for that to be the best close reason, but there really seem to be very very few that weren't worth closing." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:25:54.277" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="17495" PostId="8068" Score="1" Text="@AndrewB Jon dug some up, see http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8055/what-should-server-fault-do-with-questions-about-web-hosting-control-panels#comment17450_8055 - the reaction I recall seeing (though unsure where, maybe slack?) is that they don't matter because they're old." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:26:23.383" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="17496" PostId="8068" Score="1" Text="@BigHomie: Right. And the rush to judgment and the stripping of his Mod privileges needn't be so swift over a few legitimate questions that got caught up in the purge." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:26:44.017" UserId="19152" />
  <row Id="17497" PostId="8068" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden [Hyppy's comment that was u/v'd](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8055/what-should-server-fault-do-with-questions-about-web-hosting-control-panels#comment17455_8055) seems to reflect the community's stance on those questions. Not just b/c they're old, but b/c of the quality of most of the 5 questions as well." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:29:25.690" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17498" PostId="8068" Score="0" Text="@BigHomie You really think an old, easy grep question should be closed as &quot;no control panels&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:30:42.360" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="17499" PostId="8068" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden I don't, I updated my comment shortly before your reply." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:31:32.863" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17500" PostId="8068" Score="10" Text="@Shog9: **no one gave you a mandate to sweep the site clean of questions that you personally felt were tainted...** - The community gave N00b the mandate to act in good faith as moderator and to in fact clean these questions up. It would appear that you're the only one who seems to think this was personal on his part. The very fact that **we** elected him moderator, in part to perform this function, should tell you that this type of action is the desire of the community. To say otherwise is to betray your own mission statement." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:32:15.603" UserId="19152" />
  <row Id="17502" PostId="8068" Score="1" Text="@BigHomie Right - so all I'm saying is that they shouldn't have been swept up in this specific cleanup and gotten that specific close comment - and I feel like if we had talked about how to target this cleanup on meta before pulling the trigger on it, we'd have been able to find and catch ones like those that shouldn't have been caught." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:34:48.423" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="17504" PostId="8068" Score="1" Text="@ShaneMadden I can see that, but why the permanent ban of (arguably) the most active moderator? The reason I ask is because he's the main user I see clearing the front page of low quality q/a so the rest of us don't have to." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:36:44.587" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17505" PostId="8068" Score="3" Text="You're assuming he was actually doing what he said he was doing, @joeqwerty. I'm not at all convinced this is true, and he's been pretty cagey about it. Regardless, the rest of the mod team is reviewing the closed posts and I'm reviewing access logs; one way or another, we'll know the truth eventually." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:37:31.073" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17506" PostId="8068" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 so the ban is permanent, even before any evidence contrary to what he said has been discovered? What do you believe he was doing?" CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:39:10.823" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17507" PostId="8068" Score="15" Text="@BigHomie I think Shog's original intent was a temporary diamond removal to stop the closings from continuing to happen so he could get a chance to understand what was going on." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:40:01.263" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="17510" PostId="8068" Score="1" Text="@ShaneMadden I know, but his update to his answer above seems to imply that this is now permanent, do you see something different?" CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:41:10.443" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17512" PostId="8068" Score="13" Text="The &quot;I'm done trying to protect you&quot; sounds like a big old threat from Shog to n00b. Along with the accusation of lying." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:47:44.900" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="17513" PostId="8068" Score="15" Text="@ShaneMadden Yeah, that wasn't clear. The entire blowup looks bad from the outside." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:47:48.243" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="17514" PostId="8068" Score="4" Text="@ShaneMadden `&quot;You really think an old, easy grep question should be closed as &quot;no control panels&quot;?` Yes. _Next!_ (Or edited to remove all mention of a control panel in any way, shape, or form. However when we're dealing with so many questions that have some taint of a control panel, some collateral damage will happen. I'm fine with that collateral damage since the ultiamte affect is to make the site better, which is exactly what @hopelessn00b's actions were doing. =D )" CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:51:57.990" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17516" PostId="8068" Score="21" Text="@Shog9 I've been watching this bonfire to see what happens but this comment of yours concerns me, &quot;I'm not at all convinced this is true....&quot; (context snipped). It seems very much like you're investigating to prove malice which is a *very* bad sign. Speaking as a professional forensics examiner and incident responder if you make any assumptions as to outcome you *MUST* be relieved. It sounds like you're trying to prove malicious intent instead of determining intent. One is admirable, the other is abhorrent and completely unprofessional." CreationDate="2015-04-10T20:58:54.230" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="17522" PostId="8068" Score="14" Text="I'm trying to find out what was actually being done, @Scott. Either there was an honest mistake, made repeatedly in a short period of time with no attempt at correction... Or something else. My operating assumption is that this was just carelessness, but - and this is important - I'm *not* a forensics examiner and this isn't a crime scene. The fundamental problem here was and continues to be a lack of communication, which is the *only* reason I have to be involved here in the first place - unlike criminal suspects, moderators are obliged to be candid as to what they're doing and why." CreationDate="2015-04-10T21:30:26.567" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17525" PostId="8068" Score="6" Text="@Shog9 Please clearly enumerate precisely how HopelessN00b is not being candid. We all want to know. From what has been posted on meta.SF the last 24 hours, he's been perfectly candid. Let it rest. Let's move on. The bones you have to pick have been thoroughly picked at this point." CreationDate="2015-04-10T21:39:55.257" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17527" PostId="8068" Score="6" Text="@Shog9 `The fundamental problem here was and continues to be a lack of communication` Which there wasn't because this was talked about in meta, (and regardless, only things that crossed the line of our topicality were closed [with very rare collateral damage])  `...moderators are obliged to be candid as to what they're doing and why.` Which @hopelessn00b was. Sweet! So we can move on, Hopeless can get back to making ServerFault better, and I can get back to looking at pictures of cats? _High five!_" CreationDate="2015-04-10T21:55:07.447" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17532" PostId="8068" Score="23" Text="@Shog9 You're trying to find out what happened. That's good! That's what needs to happen. What made me uncomfortable is that most of your communication, thus far, has been unreasonably aggressive and inflammatory. It indicates an investigation to prove your correctness rather than to uncover truth. *That's* what I'm concerned about and what I'm trying to warn against. Not sanctity of data or chain of custody. As you implied, being held to those standards would be just silly. Removing all preconception and emotion is a necessary component to investigation, whether murder or who shrunk a sweater" CreationDate="2015-04-10T22:31:57.380" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="17533" PostId="8068" Score="3" Text="I think most would agree to that noob is a little bit brash.  However the community elected him knowing this. It was talked about at length during the election.  The issue here in my opinion whether @shog9 will agree or not is whether noob was simply doing a cleanup after having enough of dealing with the admin panel questions or if he did it more as a way of flaunting his powers in a dramatic fashion albeit &quot;legal&quot; just to have a giant slap across the admin panel questioners faces" CreationDate="2015-04-10T22:39:24.007" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17535" PostId="8068" Score="3" Text="......The second seems like it was primarily personal with the &quot;law&quot; backing up that personal issue. But I still think he did nothing wrong and proving malicious intent seems difficult given the responses by him." CreationDate="2015-04-10T22:40:21.953" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17541" PostId="8068" Score="14" Text="Just to be clear, @Scott, I have/had three separate problems to deal with here: (1) an uncommunicative (but active) moderator, (2) an unknown quantity of bad data due to #1, and (3) a big pile of meta drama. One is already dealt with, albeit not in the way I'd hoped. The second I'm dealing with. The last one I probably won't be able to handle effectively until the first two are squared away. The bit everyone's getting hung up on is #2 - and that's where I'm getting irritated, because it's trivial to observe that it exists, but hard to determine the reason or extent. But, we'll get there." CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:04:46.123" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17598" PostId="8068" Score="20" Text="While I appreciate this is ultimately SE's site to do with as it wishes, I am (yet again) unsurprised but disappointed to see SE banging on about community while ignoring the wishes of large sections of the community. I coach newbie sysadmins and helldesk types at work by emphasising the difference between doing something _for_ the users and doing something _to_ the users. This feels like SE doing something to the community, not for the community." CreationDate="2015-04-12T14:03:25.130" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="17814" PostId="8068" Score="0" Text="@Shog9  I'am new on SF &amp; I remarked the closure of cpanel topic by n00b, but I had seen talk about how it's offtopic, so I didnt cared. Yes, for a newbie I even remarked those talk. The fact that talk about noob came public like that is just an error. At job, do you talk to an employee in a meeting for an error he did, or alone with him ? You cut the mod status and you wait for the answer if you are in a hurry. You critic the unilateral's action of noob, but you did the same thing with this situation." CreationDate="2015-04-22T03:36:31.743" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="17542" PostId="8069" Score="11" Text="No problem with a temporary suspension while facts are worked out. [Plenty of problem with statements of malicious intent that are presented as facts](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8054/abrupt-change-in-moderation-staff#comment17536_8067). The only conclusions I can reach are one of the following: 1) no one is going to substantiate the statements of implied intent until a later date, 2) those who aren't grasping it are being perceived as dense and not worth spending the time on during the flurry of comment spam, 3) those who aren't grasping it are being perceived as cronies." CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:04:58.950" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17543" PostId="8069" Score="4" Text="It's a little deeper than that James. The problem is/was the fact that the community attempted to inform the CMs that we in fact requested these moves by n00b, both implicitly when we elected him as mod, and explicitly when he told us what he was doing in various chat rooms and meta posts." CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:10:13.867" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17544" PostId="8069" Score="2" Text="Next, there is the disconnect between the CMs and SF in general, not all but a good portion of them are not active in the chat or on main, so some of us feel that they wouldn't know how we want things done in the community. The fact that they swoop in when there is the threat of a rogue mod is fine, however they have a pretty good consensus here from the people who actually *use* and *frequent* the site that we *requested* this, so to assume the worst of a person who was voted in by the community who has interacted with the person before they were a mod is kind of insulting, at least to me." CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:10:38.857" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17545" PostId="8069" Score="1" Text="I feel that if someone is going to oversee something they should take a minute to actually be *involved* in that thing, if they are not going to trust the opinion of the people that oversee that thing from day to day. &#xA;&#xA;Also, it does not appear that anyone complained (at least from the core community) outside of the people who's questions were closed. I could be wrong about that, but if there was anyone who complained, I haven't read it in this meta post. n00b stated he has been doing this for 2 months, so either no other mods noticed, no other mods cared, or both." CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:11:08.217" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17546" PostId="8069" Score="1" Text="If they noticed and did nothing, it's a silent approval, and their actions should be called into question as well.&#xA;&#xA;In addition, this meta thing is a two way street. Yes, n00b could have posted an additional meta post to say he was explicitly closing webpanel questions. Nothing stops anyone from posting to meta to find out why their question was closed, or to find out if we have a rogue mod on the loose. I think the latter would have gathered the community's opinion on how it felt about the mass cleanup that was taking place." CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:11:16.470" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17547" PostId="8069" Score="1" Text="Finally, understand that this was nothing new for a portion of the core community. We are trying to restore SF to what it was, n00b helped a great deal with that, we didn't care how he closed questions, we knew he was closing them, we trusted they were off topic, and if 1 or 2 got caught in the crosshairs that's what a flag for reopen or meta is for. If the OP of the question didn't take that step, then why should we go making a thing out of it? rhetorical question." CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:11:21.807" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17549" PostId="8069" Score="0" Text="@BigHomie Fair points.&quot;*so to assume the worst of a person who was voted in by the community*&quot; that was the point of my answer really, I don't think that's necessarily the case, more just protocol and requirement. Although I see your point with the additional info. that's something which sounds like it definitely needs sorting out - tho I only have info from one side :)" CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:33:13.903" UserId="255993" />
  <row Id="17551" PostId="8069" Score="0" Text="@BigHomie &quot;*I feel that if someone is going to oversee something they should take a minute to actually be involved in that thing*&quot; If this is the case then I have sympathy. Although it's not always simple to resolve such things. Also, from what info I have, n00b was asked what was going on. Was there actually an answer given, or was there a silence out of protest/frustration from even being asked it? I'm not speculating, just stating I (we) maybe don't really know the full story." CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:41:38.647" UserId="255993" />
  <row Id="17552" PostId="8069" Score="0" Text="I understand. It seems from @Shog9's comments on his own answer above that he thought n00b might have been using grep'ing the site and autoclosing based on the appearance of the name of some web panels, which may or may not be true. Looking at his screen shot I don't see that, there were only a few questions that were within a minute of each other, and I can certainly read questions as fast as they were closed up there, there were no more than 2 questions closed per minute in his screenshot, certainly doable if you ask me." CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:41:45.417" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17553" PostId="8069" Score="0" Text="Take an hour and read through, it's quite a read ;) Seriously though, no one but them knows what happened last night, but n00b eventually replied privately (and also posted his answer above), I can't type the rest cuz it's too long :)" CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:43:30.093" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17554" PostId="8069" Score="1" Text="I did read a fair bit, before posting an answer TBH. Will have a deeper poke. There are two sides of the story, and a lot of fluff and turds in between. :)" CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:48:56.033" UserId="255993" />
  <row Id="17555" PostId="8069" Score="2" Text="James, can I ask how you found out about this? It doesn't appear you've been here before, I'm glad you're here fwiw, just curious." CreationDate="2015-04-11T00:57:54.063" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17556" PostId="8069" Score="2" Text="@BigHomie I actually cannot remember in the mix of actions tonight. I have been here a fair bit before, lurking - &quot;member for 4 months&quot;. It was possibly one of the chat rooms." CreationDate="2015-04-11T01:03:36.707" UserId="255993" />
  <row Id="17559" PostId="8070" Score="15" Text="In principle I would tend to agree, but the spanner in the works here is the community doesn't have enough close votes for this." CreationDate="2015-04-11T03:16:48.360" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17561" PostId="8070" Score="11" Text="Sad to see yet another ♦  that only turns up when there is drama. far too many of them these days." CreationDate="2015-04-11T06:38:12.070" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17565" PostId="8070" Score="3" Text="I agree with Mike, we only get x amount of close votes for the day, and it takes 5 from us to knock a question out. In comparison, even if we assume .1% of collateral damage from this (hypothetical figure) that's 5 legitimate questions, and over 500 questions that needed closing which would require 2500 community votes (assuming no mods voted), and if we assume a voting core of 100 users, then it could be done over 5 days assuming something similar to full time work. that's unrealistic, in comparison, it took n00b 2 months to accomplish by himself, so it's likely it would have taken us longer." CreationDate="2015-04-11T11:50:46.133" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17568" PostId="8070" Score="8" Text="This statement caught my attention: `I DO however have a problem with questions being zotted with modlike powers (which is why my close activity dropped off pretty precipitously when I became a mod).` This got me wondering whether it has to be that way. Is it possible for a moderator to not use their moderator power to overrule everybody else with their single vote? I would say it ought to be possible for a moderator to decide to vote but in a way where it still requires five votes to complete the vote." CreationDate="2015-04-11T14:26:33.063" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17569" PostId="8070" Score="3" Text="@MichaelHampton So maybe what we need is users who can vote more than 20 times per day but still requires five votes to close a question. Would it help if users with more than 20k reputation were exempt from the 20 votes per day limitation?" CreationDate="2015-04-11T14:29:27.010" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17570" PostId="8070" Score="3" Text="It's 24 votes per day, @kasperd. Maybe you're thinking of 20 reviews? This is structured such that you can participate in review (using between 0 and 20 votes there) and still moderate other questions. Note that all of this is malleable if there's good reason (such as 1000 old questions that need to be closed in response to the result of some community decision)." CreationDate="2015-04-11T15:37:30.800" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17589" PostId="8070" Score="13" Text="@kasperd: Regarding non-binding close votes for mods: This has been [discussed](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/41062) (several times, I guess), but  Atwood and Shog9 decided  it  to not be necessary. I completely disagree with their reasoning and curse every day about this." CreationDate="2015-04-12T08:41:09.213" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17845" PostId="8070" Score="2" Text="Moderator actions may be swift and powerful, but they are nearly all undoable. The community has decided to close a class of questions _en masse_. Do we really want to waste five high-rep users' time reading each of those questions to confirm each case? What's the reward for wasting time like that?" CreationDate="2015-04-27T20:28:42.127" UserId="15051" />
  <row Id="17846" PostId="8070" Score="2" Text="@200_success The reward is a lower level of false positives, and an actual community-driven process. There's no a meta post we can point to where the &quot;crap&quot; was reviewed by the community and a consensus reached, nor an obvious consensus of `N` high-rep users in this case - there is just an action taken unilaterally (or at least without what I would call adequate documentation). The federal government engages in &quot;Notice-and-Comment&quot; rulemaking for precisely this reason." CreationDate="2015-04-27T20:37:14.793" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="17847" PostId="8070" Score="2" Text="@200_success I'm also in no way suggesting that EVERY moderator action needs to go through notice-and-comment, but there's a line somewhere between &quot;I unilaterally closed your question because it was low quality, go read the help center and fix it&quot; and &quot;I unilaterally closed 100+ questions because they're really not on-topic&quot; where I think at least a Meta post is warranted so there's somewhere to point people if they don't like the action being taken." CreationDate="2015-04-27T20:43:15.307" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="17848" PostId="8070" Score="2" Text="@voretaq7 [Web panels are indisputably off-topic](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/6538/15051), and there is firm community consensus. The Notice-and-Comment period was long over, and action was overdue." CreationDate="2015-04-27T20:44:47.710" UserId="15051" />
  <row Id="17849" PostId="8070" Score="0" Text="@200_success [I dispute that *all* web hosting panels are off-topic](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/3428/32986). I also note that the actions suggested by the accepted answer on the post you linked to have not been taken (canonical answer as to WHY they're off-topic, which these should have been closed as duplicates of, was never created or selected). I don't object to the policy, but I do object to the method by which it was enforced." CreationDate="2015-04-27T20:47:53.487" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="17850" PostId="8070" Score="1" Text="@200_success For a reference on How It Should Be Done (IMHO) see the various meta posts about the somewhat successful but sadly now defunct [Bad Tag Audit](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3042/the-bad-tag-collection). Much of that work was done by moderators (including many closures), but the process of selection was community-driven &amp; extensively (maybe overly) discussed." CreationDate="2015-04-27T20:50:36.910" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="20516" PostId="8070" Score="0" Text="+1 and I deeply wish there was a way I could bounty this answer the way I can on Meta.SE. This is a pure distilled essence of what a great moderator's approach to binding actions, especially closure, should be." CreationDate="2016-03-21T19:48:30.600" UserId="20827" />
  <row Id="17562" PostId="8071" Score="22" Text="Thanks for your Canutian efforts. Bon Voyage." CreationDate="2015-04-11T07:44:48.137" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17567" PostId="8071" Score="6" Text="For some reason, when I saw the headline `Abrupt change in modertator staff` I immediately thought of you, not only b/c of your frank candor, but because you are one of very few active mods on the site, dare I say the *most* active mod on the site, which helped clean the site up. If I don't see you on SF, see you in the new comms." CreationDate="2015-04-11T12:30:06.907" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17581" PostId="8071" Score="8" Text="You've made a positive contribution to SF, both as a member and as a moderator. I'm saddened to see you leave SF, but I'm happy that I'll still see you around &quot;the comms&quot;." CreationDate="2015-04-11T19:50:57.163" UserId="19152" />
  <row Id="17601" PostId="8071" Score="8" Text="I can tell you're not modding because the close queue is up to 89.  UGH!" CreationDate="2015-04-12T14:54:52.253" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17613" PostId="8071" Score="2" Text="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGRpMys0QsE -- kidding mate...already missing some moderation.  I promise not to enter the review queue for a week in protest, :)" CreationDate="2015-04-12T22:25:10.287" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17713" PostId="8071" Score="9" Text="Setting aside recent events, and where we've not agreed in the past, one thing is inarguable:  Hopeless shared an *incredible* amount of knowledge here with others who needed it. His posts have been found ~1.6MM times by an SA in need.  And many more surely will find them in the future.  We're grateful, and he should be proud." CreationDate="2015-04-15T14:16:26.743" UserId="130222" />
  <row Id="17802" PostId="8071" Score="1" Text="Just find that thread. Sorry to hear you quit, you were a truly good contributor &amp; moderator. I'm a moderator on another platform, and there it seem to lack some support from the staff. For a new comer there for me, I seen a lot of animosity and aggressive state from the user, it's strange, kinda rude. A luck good user/mod are around, but again, it's sad to see you quit." CreationDate="2015-04-21T13:40:33.540" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="17857" PostId="8071" Score="0" Text="You helped me alot man; I'll miss you being a moderator." CreationDate="2015-05-01T14:08:55.743" UserId="1980" />
  <row Id="17563" PostId="8072" Score="1" Text="What's the slack chatroom? I've seen it mentioned but never linked." CreationDate="2015-04-11T08:12:53.600" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17564" PostId="8072" Score="0" Text="@Reaces Drop me a mail to the address in my profile, I'll send you an invite." CreationDate="2015-04-11T08:19:16.737" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17566" PostId="8072" Score="6" Text="+1 for slack. I also feel like `but maybe there's a way for the site to thrive`, as naive as it may be, I missed the golden age of SF, and I'd like to see it again. We tried last year, by being doing more Q/As of our day to day operations, and posting questions and answers of our own problems we solved during the day, and I believe it paid off to some extent, I for one have seen a slight increase in SCCM questions on the site, and (among other things) I feel it's because of the effort I (and possibly others) put into adding our own conquerings to the site." CreationDate="2015-04-11T12:12:05.870" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17571" PostId="8074" Score="1" Text="The first is reasonably close to Unclear, which links to http://serverfault.com/help/how-to-ask which is moderators editable; why not just propose some more specific research guidance for that? See the example on SO: http://stackoverflow.com/help/how-to-ask" CreationDate="2015-04-11T15:41:53.897" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17572" PostId="8074" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 In some examples the OP has clearly defined a question, but showed lack of research, this is the most common example I see, I can provide examples if needed. I will take a look at SO's how to ask page and provide more feedback." CreationDate="2015-04-11T15:53:18.357" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17573" PostId="8074" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 I like the way their page looks, I will probably post another meta question as a proposal to change our own page to be something similar but more sysadmin-ey." CreationDate="2015-04-11T16:01:28.053" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17574" PostId="8074" Score="0" Text="The big problem on SO wasn't so much lack of research, but lack of research that contributed to understanding the problem. If the question is trivially answerable without *any* additional research, then it should be a duplicate for a mature site - hence our efforts over the past year to make dup-closing faster and easier." CreationDate="2015-04-11T16:42:44.143" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17575" PostId="8074" Score="1" Text="(And yeah, some will be dups of &quot;how to analyze a log file for x&quot; - still beats having to pick a custom close reason. Oh, that reminds me... I need to figure out what's wrong with the dup-suggester.)" CreationDate="2015-04-11T16:45:03.983" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17583" PostId="8074" Score="3" Text="I support the first answer above, maybe retitled &quot;Failure to show effort to solve the problem on their own&quot;.  This reason is tucked into the &quot;installation, configuration, or diagnostic help&quot; reason by the phrase &quot;and attempted solutions&quot;, but I really think it deserves its own category.  It's very common and is usually why I choose that closing reason." CreationDate="2015-04-11T23:29:31.383" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="17584" PostId="8074" Score="0" Text="@AndrewSchulman good one, I updated the first verbage." CreationDate="2015-04-12T00:23:56.437" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17592" PostId="8074" Score="4" Text="I agree with the first one, because it leans very closely to [a similar response I gave to the previous discussion](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/7853/218888). Looking at the kerfuffle in this weeks meta threads I don't think this question will see the attention it probably deserves though." CreationDate="2015-04-12T12:23:44.373" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17787" PostId="8074" Score="0" Text="Given the way the comments are going, do you want to break those reasons out into two questions?  It will be easier to defend community approval of any new close reason if the vote is unambiguous." CreationDate="2015-04-18T08:42:06.077" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17576" PostId="8075" Score="30" Text="And this is the problem with giving people the veneer of democracy - either make it a democratic process or make it a mandated one, but pretending that it's democratic when at any point someone from on-high can come in and throw their weight around makes it all very silly. There's nothing wrong with accountability, but this episode hasn't shown SE in a particularly good light in my opinion." CreationDate="2015-04-11T18:26:35.257" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="17615" PostId="8075" Score="4" Text="`&quot;I don't know why anyone would want to be a moderator, now&quot;` - well crap...I might as well start getting used to Evan Carroll as moderator." CreationDate="2015-04-12T22:37:39.837" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17616" PostId="8075" Score="7" Text="`The biggest problem I see here is that Stack Exchange is showing that they do not trust democratically elected moderators to do what they were elected to do` -- It's not a question of trust; it's a question of accountability.  Your statement seems to imply that there's no need for any, which is demonstrably false." CreationDate="2015-04-13T01:17:07.927" UserId="12923" />
  <row Id="17633" PostId="8075" Score="8" Text="@RobertHarvey I've read your comments here, but I'm not sure you know the whole story. In fact, I'm _convinced_ you don't, because _no one here does_, we know n00b's side, and we're currently waiting for Shog's post mortem. That being said, Shog assumed the worst, which is fine if one suspects a hacked account or a rogue mod or whatever, however after dialog w/ n00b confirming this was not the case, n00b was called a _liar_ and Shog &quot;promised&quot; to &quot;get to the bottom of this&quot;" CreationDate="2015-04-13T12:49:08.790" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17634" PostId="8075" Score="0" Text="@RobertHarvey When current data shows [he already knew about it](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/7925/should-the-rep-requirement-for-creating-tags-on-server-fault-be-raised/7960#comment17069_7960). So there is no question of accountability, those in the community who were active on this meta were aware and approved of what was going on, and n00b was arguably elected on a clean up campaign. The core community here is in agreement with off topic Q/As and what should be done about them." CreationDate="2015-04-13T12:49:18.960" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17635" PostId="8075" Score="0" Text="@BigHomie: `n00b was called a liar and Shog &quot;promised&quot; to &quot;get to the bottom of this&quot;` -- That *is* a bit odd.  It suggests that I *still* don't know the whole story." CreationDate="2015-04-13T14:01:14.390" UserId="12923" />
  <row Id="17636" PostId="8075" Score="7" Text="The &quot;typed out diarrhea&quot; that n00b describes is something every Stack Exchange site has had to go through, especially Stack Overflow.  You guys, however, seem especially good at generating drama over it." CreationDate="2015-04-13T14:07:33.020" UserId="12923" />
  <row Id="17582" PostId="8076" Score="10" Text="Very perceptive. Josh could easily have contacted the n00b via chat super-ping and asked him to stop whilst things were investigated. That he didn't and chose a much more precipitous method speaks volumes. It was clearly designed to cause all the drama. The rest is history." CreationDate="2015-04-11T21:37:29.320" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="17590" PostId="8076" Score="5" Text="@Iain Stack Exchange have their protocols that need to be followed, and I don't think that the action of removing someones powers whilst their actions are being investigated is too strong. After all, if you're going to fire someone, you don't tell them before hand. You take away their access card in case they go and fuck shit up. That's just common sense. The only reason this drama came out was because Hopeless requested that it be aired. The only reason *that* happened was because someone noticed that mod diamonds were missing. I'm sure that Shog and everyone at SE would have preferred it" CreationDate="2015-04-12T09:43:42.463" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="17591" PostId="8076" Score="0" Text=", and myself for that matter, to be dealt with quietly." CreationDate="2015-04-12T09:43:50.290" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="17612" PostId="8076" Score="16" Text="@MarkHenderson My impression is that a lot of the drama comes from the offensive statements that Shog9 made (indicating there is likely a personal element to his actions), not over temporarily removing moderator privileges while investigating what is happening." CreationDate="2015-04-12T19:11:42.157" UserId="183318" />
  <row Id="17685" PostId="8076" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson one does indeed act that way, in a company.  But this isn't a company; it's a community.  When you aren't in a *top-down, I-pay-your-wages* scenario, but are instead trying to do something good on the shoulders of volunteers, best practice is different." CreationDate="2015-04-15T05:57:54.453" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17687" PostId="8076" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter For this scenario, I disagree. Shog9 basically sits at the top of the pyramid of community members in terms of responsibility, and it's his responsibility to limit the perceived damage. When you think someone is running around smashing all the windows without permission, you don't politely ask them to stop and *hope* that they will. You take away their hammer until you can get the full story." CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:05:16.003" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="17698" PostId="8076" Score="2" Text="If *force majeure* is to be used, there must be some repercussion when it's used wrongly.  In this case, I (for one) don't find that the hypothesis (HN was running around smashing windows) has been proven.  On the contrary, I've seen quite a lot of good argument that he was engaging in business that was (a) usual for him, (b) in line with his election platform.  And as a side question, am I by any chance right in thinking that Shog9 is a paid employee?" CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:30:45.337" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17705" PostId="8076" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson I absolutely agree - but extreme actions call for extreme justification *in both directions*" CreationDate="2015-04-15T08:10:44.587" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="17732" PostId="8076" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson The taking away of mod powers temporarily isn't the core issue here. The first thing Shog said about the situation was that &quot;One of them decided to step down, and asked for his moderator status to be removed. The other decided something else and didn't ask anyone anything.&quot; So right out of the gate it sounds way worse than what was going on and puts up a wall between him and the community implying wrong doing from the outset." CreationDate="2015-04-15T19:23:26.290" UserId="169970" />
  <row Id="17578" PostId="8077" Score="13" Text="+1, still in shock. The &quot;rogue behavior&quot; that caused the revocation of N00b's mod status was (to me atleast) a natural continuation of the immense cleanup effort that has been lifted by N00b, and discussed openly and repeatedly on meta over the last 6-8 months - with near-unanimous support from the people who took the time to participate. Disgraceful" CreationDate="2015-04-11T19:23:03.880" UserId="105072" />
  <row Id="17579" PostId="8077" Score="12" Text="I disagree with your evaluation of your impact on this conversation. Regardless of your rep (or mine, or anyone else's), your impact is a reflection of your contribution to this community and yours stands among the top. I'm saddened to see N00b leave and his departure will take something of value away from this community, as will yours if you decide the same." CreationDate="2015-04-11T19:32:28.047" UserId="19152" />
  <row Id="17586" PostId="8077" Score="12" Text="For my part, I don't really have any hard feelings about the way Shog handled this, and I don't believe him handling it &quot;better&quot; would have changed things for me. Less drama, probably, which is always a good thing, but I think that as soon as I stepped back to look at all the effort I was sinking into the cleanup I was doing, I'd have come to the same conclusions I posted in my question above. I think the real problem here is the vast difference between SF and the rest of SE, and the fact that there is no active Community Manager &quot;assigned to&quot; the SF community to help bridge that gap." CreationDate="2015-04-12T01:54:53.163" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="17614" PostId="8077" Score="2" Text="`&quot;lower end of the high-rep users&quot;` - were you high when you wrote that part?" CreationDate="2015-04-12T22:35:41.153" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17617" PostId="8077" Score="5" Text="`... vast difference between SF and the rest of SE` -- Therein lies part of the problem; SE sites that feel they are somehow fundamentally different than the rest of the network.  They're not." CreationDate="2015-04-13T01:20:15.173" UserId="12923" />
  <row Id="17618" PostId="8077" Score="11" Text="@RobertHarvey You're incorrect. There's a single thing that differentiates SF from the rest of the network: the site is for professionals, by professionals. Not hobbyists. Not developers, but people who are charged with maintaining servers, networks, workstations professionally." CreationDate="2015-04-13T01:32:30.103" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17619" PostId="8077" Score="2" Text="@EEAA: I'll overlook the fact that you just called me an amateur." CreationDate="2015-04-13T01:35:47.327" UserId="12923" />
  <row Id="17620" PostId="8077" Score="7" Text="@RobertHarvey I made no such statement. I was merely explaining the main thing that sets SF apart as a bit different. I have no idea who you are or what your profession is." CreationDate="2015-04-13T01:38:35.090" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17621" PostId="8077" Score="12" Text="I'm one of those hobbyist developers you so eloquently talked about.  Despite your protestations, your site is not the special flower you make it out to be, nor does your profession somehow stand head and shoulders above the others.  Your site is a QA site, just like the rest.  If you want to make this a productive discussion, then suggest ways you can improve moderation.  Stack Overflow nearly collapsed under the weight of the kind of questions you're talking about, so please don't try to convince me that your site problems are somehow unique." CreationDate="2015-04-13T01:41:29.670" UserId="12923" />
  <row Id="17622" PostId="8077" Score="13" Text="@RobertHarvey Cripes, I never once said anything derogatory about *anyone* here. Have a good evening." CreationDate="2015-04-13T01:56:32.523" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17626" PostId="8077" Score="10" Text="@Robert EEAA has a well-demonstrated track record for putting the smackdown on those *do* talk down their nose to people, and I was one of the pigheaded newbies who he put in their place. Please find someone who actually fits your preconceptions to grind the axe against." CreationDate="2015-04-13T05:59:31.273" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17660" PostId="8077" Score="8" Text="@RobertHarvey  If you're a 'hobbyist developer', then this site isn't for you, according to 'for professional system administrators'.  You either is or you isn't, no?" CreationDate="2015-04-14T09:57:37.283" UserId="196673" />
  <row Id="17718" PostId="8077" Score="5" Text="@EEAA Have you found other sites, IRC channel, or similar where you spend your time?  I want to contribute to a sysadmin community, but SF isn't a good fit.  I want to collaborate with professionals, not provide free technical support." CreationDate="2015-04-15T15:28:02.710" UserId="90694" />
  <row Id="17751" PostId="8077" Score="5" Text="@ewwhite Ew, reddit?  :/  My experience with that site is that it's a great time-waster but it's not really a useful resource.  That's where I'd go if I wanted some gifs/puns about sysadmin..." CreationDate="2015-04-16T13:33:59.863" UserId="90694" />
  <row Id="17588" PostId="8078" Score="22" Text="There are only three people on the community team that have the level of access needed to remove a moderator's status - that's how seriously we take it. _Ideally_, Shog could have had more time to 'freeze the action' and let someone else step in, but I truly appreciate the level of urgency he felt once he realized what was going on. I would have taken the exact same steps that he did, the technical execution of the procedure he applied had no bias, but I understand how the perception of it is what matters the most. Good points." CreationDate="2015-04-12T06:11:01.423" UserId="1661" />
  <row Id="17593" PostId="8078" Score="16" Text="Again, the optics matter. This looks incredibly sloppy on the part of SE, and you've lost a lot of goodwill. I'd be interested in a real explanation about why Stack Exchange so easily alienates the Server Fault community." CreationDate="2015-04-12T12:26:26.093" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="17596" PostId="8078" Score="12" Text="@Tim Regardless of what we end up with in the post mortem, I think there's no excuse for throwing out accusations of a mod under investigation being a [&quot;straight up liar&quot;](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8055/=1#comment17465_8066) without backing up the statement or [answering requests for clarification](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8054#comment17536_8067). The technical execution may have been sound, but accusations of malicious intent with an implied reckoning were treated as an imminent fact with no need for explanation. This does not beget trust or respect for our overlords." CreationDate="2015-04-12T13:33:57.287" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17597" PostId="8078" Score="8" Text="@AndrewB I'm unfortunately late to all of it, but I am going to spend quite  a bit of time looking at how everything went down on Monday. Even if events modeled a _best possible case_, I think we've got some stuff we can learn from this, in quite a few places." CreationDate="2015-04-12T13:54:06.363" UserId="1661" />
  <row Id="17602" PostId="8078" Score="9" Text="Thank you, @TimPost.  I'm going to suggest that perhaps SE employees might want to avoid campaigning *against* moderators during an election cycle in the future to avoid the appearance of [confirmation bias](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias).  Several SE employees (Shog9 was just the most vocal) expressed reservations against HopelessN00b becoming a moderator on the grounds that (to use N00b's phrasing) he's &quot;temperamentally unsuited.&quot;  Unfortunately, that pre-judgment means that later actions... have poor optics, yes." CreationDate="2015-04-12T15:42:36.113" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17605" PostId="8078" Score="1" Text="@KatherineVillyard While I disagree that they shouldn't campaign against someone during the election cycle (the opinions of those responsible for the overall network should rightfully carry some weight) I think the comments _after_ the election are what matters most. And there was quite a bit of those as well." CreationDate="2015-04-12T17:03:07.800" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17607" PostId="8078" Score="15" Text="Putting aside whether or not HopelessN00b's actions were correct for the moment, I think its perfectly clear that he believed them to be and with good reason, and was therefore acting in good faith. I would suggest that at least some of the SE 'side' of this debate cannot claim the same benefit of the doubt. Maybe I'm being unfair but it seems to me that Shog was very quick to believe the worst instead of assuming good faith on the part of a moderator, which is a sorry state of affairs. I don't think it's *n00b's* temperament that has shown itself to be unsuited to the situation here." CreationDate="2015-04-12T17:14:16.197" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="17609" PostId="8078" Score="0" Text="@Reaces I agree about the comments immediately after the election, yes.  My concern about comments *during* the election cycle is precisely the weight they carry and the appearance of bias later.  On the other hand, elected mods did endorse one of the other candidates, so perhaps I'm being unfair.  But there's a difference between positive and negative campaigning and between elected mods and employees, to my mind.  Clearly, not everyone agrees with me on that." CreationDate="2015-04-12T17:34:38.643" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17610" PostId="8078" Score="1" Text="@KatherineVillyard I don't think it's entirely fair to point the finger solely at the SE staff. The election was one of the first Meta conversations I followed and the snark flowed both ways. From my outsider opinion at the time it seemed like everyone had a history against each other. And I personally ended up not voting for HopelessN00b at the time exactly because of the way those conversations played out. (And let me end that by saying that my opinion since has drastically changed and I quite approve of the way Hopless moderated)" CreationDate="2015-04-12T18:16:42.320" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17611" PostId="8078" Score="2" Text="I think what I'm getting at is that if someone is going to possibly end up in the position of taking someone else's mod diamond, they might not want to be on public record as having a negative opinion of that someone.   Just for their own comfort and public perception. That said, yes, snark did flow both ways, yes." CreationDate="2015-04-12T18:32:56.987" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17623" PostId="8078" Score="0" Text="@RobM &quot;*Putting aside whether or not HopelessN00b's actions were correct for the moment, I think its perfectly clear that he believed them to be and with good reason, and was therefore acting in good faith....it seems to me that Shog was very quick to believe the worst instead of assuming good faith*&quot; Don't you think that actions taken were simply someone following company &quot;protocol&quot;? No point bolting the barn door after the horse has bolted. No implications intended, but if you don't know what happened you have to &quot;freeze&quot; any further &quot;potential&quot; before investigating" CreationDate="2015-04-13T02:15:23.387" UserId="255993" />
  <row Id="17624" PostId="8078" Score="5" Text="The problem @james is that it's far from clear that anything 'happened' - it should have been fairly clear that hopeless was at worst simply being over zealous. And while you might consider suspending someone you had questions about, you don't start an investigation by making assumptions of bad faith, then leaping to accuse them of being a liar. From where I'm sitting, shot expected the worst of hopeless since the election, and kept digging until they found *or manufactured* it. 'Optics' as someone said already." CreationDate="2015-04-13T05:19:39.577" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="17629" PostId="8078" Score="5" Text="Well, the interesting this is [this dialog between Shog and n00b](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/7925/should-the-rep-requirement-for-creating-tags-on-server-fault-be-raised/7960#comment17069_7960) a couple of months ago, where n00b informed Shog what was going on w/ the [tag:off-topic] and Shog approved of the tag cleanup, he just didn't like the tag itself. And n00b obliged, but said it had to be cleaned before the tag could be deleted, for technical reasons it ballooned to 10.6k, and n00b closed 800 questions that week, nobody batted an eye, I'm curious why the blow up now." CreationDate="2015-04-13T12:18:46.087" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17651" PostId="8078" Score="7" Text="@RobM: I can tell you that Shog was far too busy with other things to dig for reasons to demod, well, _anyone_. This situation pretty much killed his productivity last week and will likely prevent him from doing things he'd rather spend time on this week. In this job, we don't go looking for trouble; it comes looking for us." CreationDate="2015-04-13T22:45:12.597" UserId="1126" />
  <row Id="17655" PostId="8078" Score="9" Text="Fair enough @JonEricson I'll assume the good will in Shogs actions that he didn't accord to one of SE's mods. But that's the thing - mods are supposed to be the most trusted members of the community (iirc that's pretty much the exact phrase SE uses?) - this *error in judgement* speaks volumes, then, as to how SE views this community. It reflects poorly on SE's processes and the judgement of its staff. It's a poor advert for any of 'us' who may have wished to be mods. I'd love to hear your suggestions as to how this chasm can be bridged." CreationDate="2015-04-14T05:21:49.027" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="17670" PostId="8078" Score="1" Text="@JonEricson For what it's worth, [this](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6693/can-we-turn-down-the-campaign-heat-please) is why people are saying it looks biased.  [This](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6701/server-fault-needs-professional-quality-questions-not-just-questions-from-profe/6703#6703) speaks to how some people think SE views SF." CreationDate="2015-04-14T14:39:00.687" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17594" PostId="8080" Score="10" Text="Fewer contributors and less to really contribute to. I'd know... I've probably given the greatest number of answers over the years, and on a day-to-day basis, it's far tougher for me to find any questions worth expending my effort." CreationDate="2015-04-12T13:12:48.743" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="17603" PostId="8080" Score="7" Text="@ewwhite Can confirm [you have the most answers](http://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/299929/users-with-most-answers)." CreationDate="2015-04-12T16:45:19.743" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17680" PostId="8080" Score="3" Text="@Reaces Meh. Why have I wasted my life away with that?" CreationDate="2015-04-15T04:10:36.133" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="17606" PostId="8081" Score="1" Text="While I like the idea (but don't think it necessarily needs a meta question) you might want to [tweak the query](http://serverfault.com/search?q=%22No+space+left+on+device%22+is%3Aquestion) to at least limit to questions, and perhaps utilize the exact text." CreationDate="2015-04-12T17:11:07.167" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17608" PostId="8081" Score="3" Text="Yes, absolutely." CreationDate="2015-04-12T17:34:13.383" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17632" PostId="8081" Score="0" Text="This reminds me to write up one of the very few times ENOSPC has been given for none of the above reasons..." CreationDate="2015-04-13T12:39:15.250" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17650" PostId="8081" Score="0" Text="Another reason that I'm sure must have come up: filesystem with deduplication cannot delete a file that's also present in a snapshot" CreationDate="2015-04-13T21:57:58.090" UserId="48279" />
  <row Id="17652" PostId="8081" Score="0" Text="If there are still odd corner cases coming in, you may just want to make the answer CW and invite everyone to contribute." CreationDate="2015-04-14T03:02:02.040" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17656" PostId="8081" Score="0" Text="Is one of the existing questions suitable to be made canonical? Or should I just write a new Q/A for it?" CreationDate="2015-04-14T06:02:42.257" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17638" PostId="8082" Score="0" Text="Last year the close queue was regularly over 100 for a while.  Eventually it went back down to zero.  Although it's gone up again lately, I don't know that that means we need to change our close vote quota.  But I don't really object either." CreationDate="2015-04-13T17:53:58.060" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="17639" PostId="8082" Score="0" Text="Well there was some concern of people using questions that should've been closed as justification to ask OT questions, so there's that. I think it went to zero after elections." CreationDate="2015-04-13T17:55:16.277" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17672" PostId="8082" Score="2" Text="Having it at 0 is an ideal situation for the queue, but depending on a moderator to maintain it at 0 rather than the community (and the community likely already has sufficient close votes) is not a long term sustainable process. If the community is unwilling to do the *community* moderation that is built into the SE model, there are other problems lurking than the activities of an individual moderator." CreationDate="2015-04-14T18:51:52.527" UserDisplayName="user87510" />
  <row Id="17640" PostId="8083" Score="10" Text="I think this should wait for Shog to post his version of the events...  Although I guess he could just edit them into this question.  In any case, I don't think the final take-away can be decided until we know _why_ he thought his reactions (including &quot;you're lying,&quot; etc.) were appropriate." CreationDate="2015-04-13T19:17:13.913" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="17641" PostId="8083" Score="0" Text="I agree @Ward, these points came straight from his post though, I tried to leave out any drama or emotion that wasn't relevant." CreationDate="2015-04-13T19:29:57.617" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17642" PostId="8083" Score="4" Text="I agree; since this isn't over yet, I wonder if perhaps this is premature." CreationDate="2015-04-13T19:49:04.290" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17643" PostId="8083" Score="0" Text="@Michael It probably is, but the real issue at hand as I see it is the one we had before panelgate and will continue to have afterwards." CreationDate="2015-04-13T19:54:55.630" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17644" PostId="8083" Score="0" Text="I hope you both will agree though there are some things that can immediately be taken away though in regards to what has happened thus far." CreationDate="2015-04-13T20:02:34.970" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17645" PostId="8083" Score="3" Text="I'm afraid that without a full, factual, statement from the SE staff it'll be hard to feel like I'm reading the other responses bias free. The communication from one side has been a lot more prevalent than from the other. Which doesn't mean people should refrain from giving their opinions, I know I don't, but it sure feels like it's tainting everything I'm reading." CreationDate="2015-04-13T20:19:58.913" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17646" PostId="8083" Score="0" Text="@Reaces I remained impartial when presenting the facts of both sides. Everything presented from the Community Managers point of view was taken from his own meta post, and his own comments." CreationDate="2015-04-13T20:51:27.427" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17647" PostId="8083" Score="3" Text="@BigHomie Don't misunderstand, I have _nothing_ to say against your post. It looks fair and it even seems like you're going out of your way to make sure that you don't misrepresent the Community Managers. I'm simply saying it's hard not to notice that the Serverfault's core users side has been more vocal. And unfortunately it's kind of starting to look like we're talking amongst ourselves a bit much." CreationDate="2015-04-13T20:57:21.923" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17649" PostId="8083" Score="2" Text="@Reaces no we're good, I read you loud and clear, I'm actually hoping Shog and some others will chime in here as well, we just have to give (at least Shog) some time. What I didn't want though is to bring this up ages from now after its been forgotten." CreationDate="2015-04-13T21:13:10.773" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17654" PostId="8083" Score="12" Text="My biggest takeaway is that you can't just go and whack the suffix &quot;-gate&quot; on the end of a noun. THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS PEOPLE." CreationDate="2015-04-14T04:40:28.080" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="17657" PostId="8083" Score="12" Text="@MarkHenderson your annoyance at the gate issue will now be known as Gate-gate..." CreationDate="2015-04-14T06:57:45.453" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="17665" PostId="8083" Score="0" Text="As much as you're trying to so the postmortem correctly -- HUZZAH -- it really needs to wait until after the incident report has been written and distributed. Otherwise we end up making assumptions that can disrupt the fact-only analysis of the issue." CreationDate="2015-04-14T11:55:15.733" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="17666" PostId="8083" Score="0" Text="@ScottPack that's a fair assessment, in addition though: There's no harm in posting this question early, everyone can wait for SE to weigh in before giving their thoughts if they like. I guess it could get pushed down meta's front page :(" CreationDate="2015-04-14T12:31:54.533" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17667" PostId="8083" Score="0" Text="@BigHomie It probably won't hurt but it certainly can. The purpose of a postmortem is to review the facts of SB incident with as little attribution or qualitative analysis as possible. The goal is to identify not only which button was clicked incorrectly but more importantly what was the root cause that resulted in the button being couched incorrectly. By discussing it before the report had verb released we run the risk of tainting the process with incomplete, or incorrect,  data." CreationDate="2015-04-14T12:52:41.720" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="17661" PostId="8084" Score="0" Text="I'm confused as to: what SE want from SF?  what SF wants from SE?  what SE thinks it offers SF?  As a sysadmin, I'm interested in participating in SF, but I don't care who or what SE is, at all." CreationDate="2015-04-14T10:03:44.597" UserId="196673" />
  <row Id="17662" PostId="8084" Score="7" Text="@Blue StackExchange admins are responsible for the backend functionality and oversight of all sites in the SE network, including SF. We have not always gotten along very well. As a new contributor I recommend not worrying about our opinions and instead form your own by observing." CreationDate="2015-04-14T10:13:14.110" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17663" PostId="8084" Score="0" Text="Comprendez.  thanks." CreationDate="2015-04-14T10:36:55.953" UserId="196673" />
  <row Id="17664" PostId="8084" Score="4" Text="Hooray, I'm quotable &lt;/zoidberg&gt;. I do agree with a lot of what's said here. the summary in particular. Regardless of who and why, there's clearly a serious breakdown in communication and it won't get better by doing _nothing_. As users, its time to either grab a shovel and start helping to dig out, or walk away (and I honestly haven't decided which I should do myself yet). Hopefully SE will reciprocate in the same spirit with those who decide they want to continue on." CreationDate="2015-04-14T10:38:51.480" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="17707" PostId="8084" Score="1" Text="@RobM Unfortunately what I'm seeing is a lot of narrative control. The &quot;lying&quot; remark was made before there was a full grasp on the situation and served little purpose other than to guide public opinion. The post-mortem takeaway is that this was a data and guidance problem, and that everything else is fine outside of community participation. It's probably time for everyone who doesn't see this as solely their own fault to move on." CreationDate="2015-04-15T09:01:05.463" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17708" PostId="8084" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB *agreed* - I've made my comments and I don't think that making them again is going to help me or anyone else at this point..." CreationDate="2015-04-15T09:34:15.670" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="17653" PostId="8086" Score="9" Text="Thanks, Michael!  It's too bad that we can't kill old, off-topic web hosting panel questions with our brains. &lt;/Firefly&gt;" CreationDate="2015-04-14T04:20:02.407" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17658" PostId="8086" Score="1" Text="There are [a lot](http://serverfault.com/search?q=cpanel+is%3Aquestion+closed%3Ano+score%3A-0) that are easily found and are [quite](http://serverfault.com/questions/242540/varnish-cache-on-apache2-cpanel) [bad](http://serverfault.com/questions/182947/how-to-share-files-between-cpanel-accounts). And could be closed for a number of reasons. However if we organize this as a community effort don't we risk bloating our close queue even further? I don't actually have access to that queue yet (useless newcomer that I am) but it always seems to hang just shy of a hundred in the queue." CreationDate="2015-04-14T08:00:18.053" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17659" PostId="8086" Score="1" Text="@Reaces, see http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6663 and add your vote there for increasing the number of close votes allowed." CreationDate="2015-04-14T08:52:04.810" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="17836" PostId="8086" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton : It could also be phrased as don’t let Server Fault becoming a Super User duplicate." CreationDate="2015-04-25T15:00:26.473" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="17840" PostId="8086" Score="0" Text="-1 for not formulating this in the form of a question" CreationDate="2015-04-27T02:41:43.410" UserId="48344" />
  <row Id="17841" PostId="8086" Score="1" Text="@Yuck [Meta works differently from the main site.](http://serverfault.com/help/whats-meta)" CreationDate="2015-04-27T02:44:45.347" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="18911" PostId="8086" Score="0" Text="@Yuck : Doing this only stand as you are against this change." CreationDate="2015-05-08T11:57:45.247" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="17674" PostId="8087" Score="3" Text="I do agree that this is yet another morale hit to the increasingly dwindling number of people who are willing to contribute regularly. Can't really count myself among those: I follow meta and try to contribute good Q&amp;A's related to my areas of interest, but I use RSS feeds to skip the crap entirely and thus rarely see or touch the front page. I'm part of the problem.™" CreationDate="2015-04-14T21:09:01.650" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17712" PostId="8087" Score="0" Text="Don't get me wrong, I enjoy participating, but the community isn't as vibrant and active as it once was on the voting and answering side from what I see during my timezone." CreationDate="2015-04-15T13:25:47.967" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17714" PostId="8087" Score="0" Text="This matches my feelings pretty closely.  I try to contribute to SF when I have free time or energy, but I have noticed the overall &quot;feel&quot; of Serverfault has trended towards the negative in both tone and content.  I don't pretend to have the solution; just making a sad assessment from the sidelines." CreationDate="2015-04-15T14:53:16.243" UserId="90694" />
  <row Id="17736" PostId="8087" Score="1" Text="Re: upvotes. The regulars around here care way too much about crappy  content and closing questions.  If people put a fraction of the effort in to upvoting good questions (and answers), this site would be considerably better." CreationDate="2015-04-15T20:21:38.730" UserId="5391" />
  <row Id="17737" PostId="8087" Score="0" Text="Agreed @DougLuxem and good to see you again!  I still miss the gaming days..." CreationDate="2015-04-15T20:45:54.557" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17757" PostId="8087" Score="0" Text="Ha, I've actually considered opening a meta &quot;love fest&quot; post where we shout out to people who are nice and helpful, but I don't know if it's too cheesy.  :D  You'd be on the list, though!" CreationDate="2015-04-16T21:22:19.580" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17758" PostId="8087" Score="1" Text="Hah, well I tried the Christmas of love season but it didn't seem to even make a dent." CreationDate="2015-04-16T22:07:31.503" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17794" PostId="8087" Score="1" Text="You were really nice to me when I was a newbie.  I really appreciate that." CreationDate="2015-04-19T21:17:42.563" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17684" PostId="8088" Score="14" Text="If SE wants the community to moderate, it might help if it stopped constantly telling us that we're doing it wrong.  It's all very well to wish that poor HN had asked for help, but you seem to forget that at his election he was leading the vanguard of yet another attempt by the community to hold back the sea of rubbish.  If SE repeatedly, and sometimes forcibly, prevents the community from imposing its collective will on the site, why on earth act surprised when all it can hear is tumbleweeds?" CreationDate="2015-04-15T05:48:49.457" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17686" PostId="8088" Score="11" Text="I've heard this claim repeatedly, and reject it outright. Unless this is your first time on the Internet, you know well that this isn't a battle to be won; it's an ongoing task, part and parcel of being a part of a public website. There is no holding back this sea; it is bigger than all of us. We can channel it, rise above it... or be crushed by it." CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:03:47.680" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17688" PostId="8088" Score="7" Text="Which claim(s) do you reject?  That the community has been told *how* to moderate, that HN was at the vanguard of a community pushback, or that if volunteers are overruled they will become disheartened?" CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:06:20.337" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17690" PostId="8088" Score="6" Text="The one I noted. That holding back rubbish is something to be encouraged, that discouraging it is counter-productive to improving the site. If you want to turn this into a battle between Defenders of the Realm and Crap-lovers, then you're blind to what's been happening here. How many people need to beat their brains out on the same stone wall before y'all start walking around it? It doesn't matter how many questions you shut down, how many people you drive away; there are countless more where they came from. You can either learn to handle them efficiently, or waste the last of your energy." CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:10:15.647" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17692" PostId="8088" Score="13" Text="Shog, please, calm down.  You may feel as you write above, and it looks as if you do, and passionately, too.  But the community is entitled to have a viewpoint on this (*this* being the issue of quality of questions, and the desirable disposition of those perceived to be poor), too.  I believe it has pretty clearly expressed it, over time.  I know the powers that be don't like what the community says, but it's a legitimate viewpoint, and discourse is unlikely to be improved by constant unilateral emotive denial.  We desire to handle these things efficiently, we disagree about how." CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:17:36.223" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17694" PostId="8088" Score="5" Text="@Mad, I've been doing this for a lot of years. I'm not telling you these things because I'm *passionate* about them; I'm telling you because I've watched the same sad little play a hundred times and it always ends the same way: the old die out from exhaustion and are replaced, their efforts come to naught. If you don't believe it, then ignore me; the evidence is right in front of you whenever you're willing to see it." CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:21:28.783" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17695" PostId="8088" Score="7" Text="Shog, **me too**.  I don't question your experience, but I do question why the powers that be seem to question everyone else's (and their motivation).  All things die.  You are right to note that.  You may not be right in using that observation to justify *your particular theory* of why they die.  We might have other explanations for why a community is dying (as you claim this one is); observing that a phenomenon is happening **does not prove one hypothetical explanation of that phenomenon over another**." CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:22:21.817" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17699" PostId="8088" Score="4" Text="Please understand, @Mad - I'm not trying to win some rhetorical argument here. I've seen which communities function and which ones fail, *within the context of this particular system* - all I'm suggesting is that this one has been trying the same strategies for as long as I've known it, with the same results; if you're not happy with those results, then perhaps it's time to learn from the examples of the others. Whether this community lives or dies remains to be seen - but there's an awful lot of hand-wringing about it, yet seemingly an unwillingness to try something different." CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:33:24.677" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17701" PostId="8088" Score="3" Text="That is a pretty fair point.  But we also would like you to try something different - actually honouring the promise that [&quot;*We don’t run this site. The community does.*&quot;](http://serverfault.com/help/whats-reputation).  It's easy to honour that when all goes well; there is then nothing in contention.  It's what you do when things aren't seen as going well that says whether or not it's worth the screen space on which it's written." CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:40:24.973" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17702" PostId="8088" Score="2" Text="Let us [continue this discussion in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/22861/discussion-between-shog9-and-madhatter)." CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:43:37.293" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17706" PostId="8088" Score="0" Text="*&quot;That holding back rubbish is something to be encouraged, that discouraging it is counter-productive to improving the site.&quot;* -- It gets a bit circular unfortunately. Other SE topic matters don't amount to &quot;Q&amp;A's about [x] in a non-rubbish context&quot;, which forces more spinning of the gears. Put into context, I think this pretty much boils down to &quot;your subject matter is a poor fit for SE&quot;." CreationDate="2015-04-15T08:52:18.633" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17709" PostId="8088" Score="1" Text="I agree that a single moderator or a small group of moderators taking on the majority of the burden of an SE site is a recipe for disaster in the long run (in that they will likely get burned out and leave as noted), but there seems to be something lacking here. @Shog9, if you do indeed believe that this community is dying, and that for it to thrive it needs more than just moderators to, well, moderate - but the rest of the participants are quite unequivocally raising concern about the quality of the questions - why is it surprising that they get tired of participating?" CreationDate="2015-04-15T11:32:44.653" UserId="256877" />
  <row Id="17710" PostId="8088" Score="2" Text="(cont.) I find it unlikely that more would find it desirable to seek their place and participate here for any length of time as the problem has not been resolved. I for one am somewhat of an example: long-time user, only recent member and active participant but I've already become quite tired of the tedium that is the average question quality on this site, and I don't think that the blame lies solely with the community members." CreationDate="2015-04-15T11:34:17.123" UserId="256877" />
  <row Id="18921" PostId="8088" Score="2" Text="Does it sound like @Shog9 is laying the arguments for ServerFault to not be a site any more to anyone else?" CreationDate="2015-05-12T15:22:52.543" UserId="10601" />
  <row Id="17675" PostId="8089" Score="9" Text="+1, great feedback, and indeed, `..If you're not willing to pitch in, then expecting anyone else to do it for you is irresponsible.`" CreationDate="2015-04-15T03:36:38.147" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17676" PostId="8089" Score="0" Text="In addition, there is a statement in an answer that says `There is a perception that requests directed at SE staff typically get ignored for long periods of time.` Are you saying this is due to the massive amount of sites that your team oversees? Is there anything you see that could improve that?" CreationDate="2015-04-15T03:42:47.960" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="17677" PostId="8089" Score="11" Text="Thank you for this and your other posts, Shog9. I truly do appreciate the work that went into them as well as your candor in describing what you could have done better. I think one thing that was missed (which IMHO contributed in a significant way to some of the vitriol following the removal of Hopeless's diamond) is the tone you used in many of your posts and comments. It was clear you were assuming the worst of n00b, instead of assuming that he had good intentions (as you now have realized). If you'd used a more empathetic tone, I think this would have gone down in a very different way." CreationDate="2015-04-15T03:47:16.657" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17678" PostId="8089" Score="10" Text="...just something to consider as you handle other similar situations around SE in the future. Hopefully you won't need to do so, actually, but if you do, I find that conversations and confrontations with people go much better if they're initiated from an understanding that all involved parties are working with good intentions." CreationDate="2015-04-15T03:50:25.730" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17679" PostId="8089" Score="2" Text="I wish I'd used a more empathetic tone as well, @EEAA - but I don't think it would've gone down any differently. I've been here once or twice before. Regardless, nothing I wrote last week had any time for proof-reading much less editing for tone; I suspect this is one of those situations where the only way I could be prepared to handle it well is to have previously handled it poorly. Hope for next time, I guess." CreationDate="2015-04-15T03:51:30.467" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17681" PostId="8089" Score="6" Text="I think part of the problem is morale--we *do* have a [meta-tag:doomed] tag in meta, after all.  At the risk of generalizing, I believe we have a tendency as a career path to self-select for lone efforts and short, high-intensity bursts of activity, which... might not help?  I know I find the close queue depressing in large doses, myself.  I'm always relieved when the queue says, &quot;You cannot have more close queue.  You have a close queue problem.  Go home, sober up, and do more in the morning.&quot;  ;)" CreationDate="2015-04-15T04:16:14.280" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17682" PostId="8089" Score="2" Text="Ah, see - [no one believes me when I say that](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/285438/we-need-more-close-votes/285486#comment154744_285486), @Katherine... But it's sooo so true. When I was young, I used to go out &amp; pick up trash along the highway; you do that by yourself, you'll be out there all day with nothing to show for it, but you get five people lined up &amp; you'll have *miles* behind you before you know it. When everyone does a little, together it all adds up." CreationDate="2015-04-15T04:25:25.500" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17683" PostId="8089" Score="1" Text="Perception isn't necessarily reality, @BigHomie. [Everyone hates it when their requests go unanswered](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/289274/triage-all-feature-requests-give-an-official-position-and-timeline), but even as we grow the dev team it's impossible to address more than a fraction of the requests on *any* site. *I* still have years'-old requests that haven't been addressed yet. Some requests are easier than others; [take advantage of the ones that are possible now](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6617/should-we-enable-tag-specific-popups)." CreationDate="2015-04-15T04:30:21.500" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17689" PostId="8089" Score="5" Text="@Shog9 So, does HopelessN00b get his moderator diamond back again?!?" CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:07:53.713" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="17691" PostId="8089" Score="1" Text="First off, thank you for the well written and well thought out response. I have however a comment (I'm so sorry I can't ever seem to help myself!). It seems like there is a clear disconnect between the stance of moderators being picked from the members of the community that are most active in community moderation, and the lack of community votes for moderators (IE their votes are binding). I know it's been discussed to death, but what I'm mostly taking away from your post is &quot;everyone should vote, not rely on moderators&quot; but with each election more voting people are removed." CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:14:11.703" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17693" PostId="8089" Score="1" Text="Maybe now you can understand [what Shane was talking about](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6701/server-fault-needs-professional-quality-questions-not-just-questions-from-profe) WRT needing new contributors, @Reaces." CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:17:42.117" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17696" PostId="8089" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 I actually didn't connect that post with yours. As taken from the post: `with an accompanying jump in participation through community moderation (mainly close votes and down votes)`. In fact it indicates that there is enough moderation, just with a wrong approach: `spending time editing the salvageable ones, giving users a push in the right direction instead of closing `. Again, I'm having a hard time making the connection between yours and his post, neither in conflicting or affirming ways." CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:24:12.477" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17697" PostId="8089" Score="5" Text="It's not just a matter of empathy. You let yourself get dragged into [theatrics of your own](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8055/what-should-server-fault-do-with-questions-about-web-hosting-control-panels/8066?noredirect=1#comment17465_8066), which goes a little above and beyond that. I'm not sure why it was so hard to clarify that point or at least own up to it if it was a mistake, unless you [still have me confused for someone else](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6812/proposed-change-to-server-fault-guidelines-round-2#comment15696_6832) and have put me on a mental filter." CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:26:35.507" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17700" PostId="8089" Score="0" Text="The only connection is the one you noted in your previous comment, @Reaces: as user-moderators are removed or remove themselves, there has to be something to replace them. And yes, I'm lumping together several separate activities here, but while editing and closing and voting and deletion are quite different actions, the goal for each is in some way to improve the contents of the site; these &quot;meta-activities&quot; require an ever-growing number of participants to be effective, regardless of which specific actions they focus on." CreationDate="2015-04-15T06:38:46.020" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17711" PostId="8089" Score="6" Text="Oh, and for the record:  &quot;The support I've seen for Hopeless and the overt hatred and bitterness I've seen poured out on other members of the mod team are two sides of the same coin: folks dissatisfied with the site and wanting someone else to fix it for them.&quot;  I'm supporting Hopeless because I like him--he's one of our regulars.  I didn't vote for him because I took his initial nomination spiel as inappropriate levity, but I think he worked hard and did his best for the site, and I was pleased with him as a moderator." CreationDate="2015-04-15T12:59:05.923" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17715" PostId="8089" Score="1" Text="For the record, @Katherine, I'd forgotten about the election spiel until folks started bringing it up last week; folks say a lot of crazy hyperbolic stuff during elections, what matters is what they do afterwards." CreationDate="2015-04-15T15:15:46.333" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17717" PostId="8089" Score="0" Text="Fair enough, @Shog9. Besides, inappropriate levity is just something that HopelessN00b does. For as long as I've been here, he's put goofy jokes in comments on questions that end up deleted as off-topic. Which, you know. I enjoy them *and* see why they're deleted as off-topic, so there you are." CreationDate="2015-04-15T15:24:49.427" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17719" PostId="8089" Score="1" Text="IOW:  I feel like y'all have the impression of HopelessN00b as &quot;that jerk people complain to us about,&quot; and those of us answering questions regularly have the impression of &quot;class clown.&quot;  If you look at the situation as N00b being &quot;class clown&quot; it might look a bit different." CreationDate="2015-04-15T15:53:09.550" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17723" PostId="8089" Score="3" Text="Answer my question!!" CreationDate="2015-04-15T17:26:48.367" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="17725" PostId="8089" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 As for &quot;I don't think it would've gone down any differently&quot;, it's very possible that the outcome in many ways would have been the same except the lasting impression of you and possibly SE staff by association. It got ugly, you made some (imo) rather unprofessional statements and I think that has damaged the trust on a different level than what the all-business let's look ahead posts focus on. (Posts which I do appreciate, I just don't think it's wise to dismiss the other aspect of what went down.)" CreationDate="2015-04-15T18:27:04.510" UserId="183318" />
  <row Id="17726" PostId="8089" Score="0" Text="@ewwhite: I thought HopelessN00b made it [clear](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8071) that he doesn't want to come back as a mod. Unless he changed his mind, that makes this question moot." CreationDate="2015-04-15T18:37:23.987" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17728" PostId="8089" Score="0" Text="@Sven While it probably is moot in the sense that HopelessN00b has said he's not interested, the question is also quite tightly related to the other points that have been brought up here about owning up to ones mistakes." CreationDate="2015-04-15T18:49:55.920" UserId="183318" />
  <row Id="17729" PostId="8089" Score="0" Text="@HåkanLindqvist: In a way, yes, in the form &quot;would he get it back if he wanted&quot;." CreationDate="2015-04-15T18:54:29.320" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17733" PostId="8089" Score="0" Text="I stand by what I wrote last week, @HåkanLindqvist. You can argue my tone should've been better; that's a fair criticism. But through all of this I've been as forthcoming as possible: I've reported the facts, the conclusions I've drawn and how I arrived at those conclusions. When you're telling someone else's story, it is crucial to differentiate between your interpretation of their motivations and what they've actually admitted; anything else is simply dishonest." CreationDate="2015-04-15T19:40:25.887" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17734" PostId="8089" Score="0" Text="I don't care if Hopeless is a jerk or a clown, @Katherine; [as far as I'm concerned, we're all jackasses.](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/08/stack-exchange-is-not-a-forum-the-role-of-niceness-on-a-qa-site/) The important thing is that we find ways of making this work *in spite of* personality conflicts." CreationDate="2015-04-15T19:46:17.390" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17735" PostId="8089" Score="1" Text="Being open about what you're doing is pretty critical to being a moderator, @ewwhite. I spent entirely too much time this past week piecing together information that should've already been public; if he decides he wants to be a moderator again, we still need to have a long talk about that." CreationDate="2015-04-15T19:51:24.263" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17738" PostId="8089" Score="5" Text="@Shog9 I'll just make the point that I didn't and still don't find it clear how you reached conclusions like that the activity was malicious; an apparent early conclusion which seems central to all that happened, as well as likely set the tone, from that point on. (Not entirely sure what to make of your last sentence, considering the circumstances.)" CreationDate="2015-04-15T20:52:36.550" UserId="183318" />
  <row Id="17739" PostId="8089" Score="4" Text="Well, @Shog9, you've certainly made it clear what you think of us, more than once.  Don't get me wrong:  I get that we're a pain in your anatomy right now and that further, if I were you my feelings would be hurt (and I'm sorry about that), but I really think it's time to try a different approach." CreationDate="2015-04-15T20:59:14.437" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17741" PostId="8089" Score="0" Text="I call it as I see it, @Katherine; I've no ill-will toward any of you, but I'm not coming in here blind either. I do what I can to support y'all when asked, but ultimately what happens here - good or bad - is up to you." CreationDate="2015-04-15T21:38:18.530" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17742" PostId="8089" Score="0" Text="I never said anything about malice, @Håkan. More than enough trouble caused by apparent carelessness or boredom though. As for my last sentence... Plenty of folks here saying I'm doing this for one reason or another, with no evidence to back that up and my own statements to the contrary - I see no reason to grant any credibility to such nonsense, even if doing so might be politically expedient." CreationDate="2015-04-15T21:43:36.527" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17743" PostId="8089" Score="3" Text="@Shog9 Lack of evidence is *the whole problem we had with the comment in question*. It began with requests for why you said it and on what basis. Consistently refusing to address the topic is naturally going to generate speculation because it sticks out like a sore thumb: the only thing that's clear is that you don't want to revisit the topic. The perception that it leaves is that regardless of motive, you don't want to, and you aren't. That you don't see a problem with this is what enables us to get so wound up about it." CreationDate="2015-04-15T21:52:18.253" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17744" PostId="8089" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 I'll apologize for trying to bridge that silence into a *why*, but for the sake of the others, please address it. This will be my last comment on the subject; I was convinced I was done already until Håkan got a comment from you." CreationDate="2015-04-15T21:55:07.267" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="17746" PostId="8089" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 You're right, that is not a word you used and I'm sorry if you feel that I've misrepresented the early communication. I, and others, have clearly read something into your statements that you didn't intend; for me things like &quot;rogue moderator&quot; and &quot;I'll be going through server logs this weekend to attempt to determine what was actually being done here&quot;, comments like these [1](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8054/abrupt-change-in-moderation-staff#comment17363_8054), [2](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8054/abrupt-change-in-moderation-staff#comment17505_8068), ..." CreationDate="2015-04-15T23:14:52.860" UserId="183318" />
  <row Id="17747" PostId="8089" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 ... [3](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8055/what-should-server-fault-do-with-questions-about-web-hosting-control-panels/8066#comment17465_8066) and the, from the get-go, rather accusatory tone all added up. I still think it would make sense to address this but I won't poke further." CreationDate="2015-04-15T23:15:26.107" UserId="183318" />
  <row Id="17748" PostId="8089" Score="0" Text="All of those comments *should* make sense to you now that I've posted my full analysis, @Håkan. Incidentally, &quot;rogue&quot; in the context where I used it is an adjective meaning &quot;acting alone&quot; rather than the noun &quot;likable scoundrel&quot; - you could perhaps also read that title as &quot;vigilante moderator&quot;, although that has other connotations." CreationDate="2015-04-15T23:44:45.670" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17720" PostId="8090" Score="0" Text="Can you post this as an answer to http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/7995/site-design-update-is-now-live? This way, @jin who appears to be responsible for the layout get pinged about it automatically (although this might also be the result of the new user profile page...)." CreationDate="2015-04-15T16:12:49.893" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17722" PostId="8090" Score="0" Text="@Sven, done, thanks." CreationDate="2015-04-15T16:24:24.910" UserId="17794" />
  <row Id="22482" PostId="8090" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [Site design update is now live](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/7995/site-design-update-is-now-live)" CreationDate="2018-09-07T12:19:52.157" UserId="184613" />
  <row Id="17724" PostId="8091" Score="0" Text="what browser and OS?" CreationDate="2015-04-15T18:06:52.370" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17727" PostId="8091" Score="0" Text="It looks the same on FF37/Mac and Chrome/Mac." CreationDate="2015-04-15T18:43:08.983" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17730" PostId="8091" Score="0" Text="Same for me, Win7 / Chrome Version 41.0.2272.118 m" CreationDate="2015-04-15T19:05:33.217" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="17731" PostId="8091" Score="0" Text="Yes, this look seems to be consistent across browsers and OSes. (Chrome 41, Firefox 37 on Windows and OS X, IE 11 on Windows)" CreationDate="2015-04-15T19:15:05.540" UserId="183318" />
  <row Id="17749" PostId="8092" Score="5" Text="Before I go write another meta post to define this custom off-topic reason, can we get the fifth slot for it? As far as I know all four of our existing close reasons are well-used and it may be a problem to remove any of them, even temporarily. (And I expect this cleanup to take 6 to 8 weeks...)" CreationDate="2015-04-16T01:36:39.060" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17755" PostId="8092" Score="3" Text="A [custom off-topic reason](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8096/we-need-a-custom-close-reason-for-web-hosting-control-panels) has been defined and comments on it are welcome." CreationDate="2015-04-16T19:23:31.200" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17762" PostId="8092" Score="3" Text="Also, y'all, I've had a couple of people say, &quot;Why are you commenting on my five year old post?&quot; so you might want to be prepared to answer something like, &quot;We're doing a big web panel cleanup and your question was in the review queue/came up in search/whatever.  No offense meant;  your question was probably on topic in [year] when you asked it,&quot; or whatever.  The people I've spoken to have been very nice and understanding about it." CreationDate="2015-04-17T01:39:35.420" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17763" PostId="8092" Score="2" Text="This is the #1 reason why I want this to be a baked-in OT reason, @KatherineVillyard. Unless you're willing to sit down &amp; discuss the merits of these questions, notifying folks via comments is just plain rude; if they're clearly off-topic it's best to close quietly and move on. I should add that to this answer..." CreationDate="2015-04-17T02:02:24.773" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17764" PostId="8092" Score="1" Text="You got a 5th slot, @MichaelHampton - make it happen!" CreationDate="2015-04-17T02:09:20.557" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17765" PostId="8092" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 Thanks. I'm waiting for a little more feedback on the close reason first, though." CreationDate="2015-04-17T02:14:43.933" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17766" PostId="8092" Score="0" Text="Take your time; you &amp; the rest of the team can handle this from here." CreationDate="2015-04-17T02:25:21.723" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17768" PostId="8092" Score="2" Text="It *is* clearly something we've discussed on meta, and one person volunteered that he knew it was no longer on topic.  But yes, a baked-in reason would be much nicer.  I'm perfectly willing to link to the meta discussion, and like I said, no offense is meant.  The questions were on topic when asked." CreationDate="2015-04-17T02:55:57.460" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17773" PostId="8092" Score="5" Text="I notice that the number of close votes available has been increased, but I am still only allowed to review 20 questions per day in the close votes queue. Is that intentional?" CreationDate="2015-04-17T11:22:07.547" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="18916" PostId="8092" Score="0" Text="@kasperd the allotted amount of reviews is elastic, if there are more than 1k reviews you have 40 reviews per day, less than that only 20." CreationDate="2015-05-11T19:41:40.707" UserId="180142" />
  <row Id="18919" PostId="8092" Score="0" Text="@Braiam There are never that many reviews in the queue. I haven't even seen it reach 100." CreationDate="2015-05-12T06:29:23.590" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17752" PostId="8095" Score="13" Text="Before you ask: Webmin is _not_ a web hosting control panel, so it is not included here. Its extension Virtualmin, however, _is_." CreationDate="2015-04-16T17:18:53.937" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20785" PostId="8095" Score="5" Text="Why webmin it's not a control panel? Because it's opensource? The objective of webmin is the same as that of a control panel. It is to provide a web interface to the administrator. And also has its own forum." CreationDate="2016-04-29T06:20:19.027" UserId="172876" />
  <row Id="21384" PostId="8095" Score="1" Text="@abkrim Webmin (alone) is not designed for _hosting web sites_. That's Virtualmin." CreationDate="2016-10-07T01:23:21.717" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21385" PostId="8095" Score="0" Text="that it's your opinion. Webmin its perfect for hosting. If you know system Webmin it's perfect. On a scale of 0 to 10 on usability for hosting panel, webmin would be a Virtualmin 1 and 3. Both panels are very poor facilities, but suficinetes for the same purpose." CreationDate="2016-10-07T06:17:37.323" UserId="172876" />
  <row Id="21386" PostId="8095" Score="1" Text="@abkrim So we should also ban questions about Webmin, then?" CreationDate="2016-10-07T06:38:24.980" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21413" PostId="8095" Score="0" Text="For purists if. Now, of all panels on the list in tens of thousands of questions and hundreds of thousands of responses. It's curious." CreationDate="2016-10-08T11:39:33.957" UserId="172876" />
  <row Id="21430" PostId="8095" Score="0" Text="I know nothing about cpanel, exept that I used a cpanel host in my young time, but a quicksearch on webhostingtalk.com (a reference for me for webhosting) return a lot of query about webmin used as plesk or cpanel. It can be a good discussion to have if we add that tool to the list." CreationDate="2016-10-16T02:08:38.220" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21431" PostId="8095" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 My understanding is that Webmin just does general system administration (via a web interface), and that web hosting is done by its addon Virtualmin (which you don't have to use). I could be wrong about this, or people could be trying to do web hosting with Webmin alone (which strikes me as doubly insane)..." CreationDate="2016-10-16T02:18:21.967" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21432" PostId="8095" Score="0" Text="ah ok! thanks for the clarification about the addon. I now suspect then the post I seen told webmin term, but would use virtualmin in the final, would make more sense." CreationDate="2016-10-16T04:06:19.797" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22125" PostId="8095" Score="1" Text="Different cases are and should be threaten very differently. Say: bind9 issue on ISPConfig. It's not an ISPConfig related issue, as it just produces raw bind9 files in the etc directory, if the asker provides full bind9 confs, there's no need to threat it as an ISPConfig related issue. Just cause the asker wrote &quot;ISPConfig&quot; in the question. If he didn't, then the same question would be threaten differently. That's stupid. https://serverfault.com/questions/807050/bind9-will-not-serve-txt-records-for-some-domains-and-will-serve-it-for-others" CreationDate="2017-09-11T22:21:12.323" UserId="216275" />
  <row Id="17761" PostId="8097" Score="4" Text="I'd be wary of using the phrase &quot;our ability to support&quot; because it makes us sound like we officially support *other* things, which we don't. If there's a way to rephrase it to remove that implication..." CreationDate="2015-04-17T01:35:20.220" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="17772" PostId="8097" Score="0" Text="How about &quot;[...] customize the systems to the extent that reasonable business information technology management practices are no longer applicable&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-04-17T08:15:15.247" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17777" PostId="8097" Score="3" Text="I like Jenny D's suggestion, but I'm going to suggest  &quot;[...] customize the systems to the extent that the usual administration methods are no longer applicable...&quot;." CreationDate="2015-04-17T15:20:20.047" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17753" PostId="8098" Score="0" Text="Wait, so I can just do it myself? I'll remove some tags tomorrow morning during a quite period then (to save the main page some grief)" CreationDate="2015-04-16T17:20:34.740" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17754" PostId="8098" Score="1" Text="Yeah, just editing the question and removing the tag is enough. I noticed it does kick it to the &quot;Active&quot; tab on the front page, so a quiet period is probably best." CreationDate="2015-04-16T17:23:19.467" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="17756" PostId="8098" Score="0" Text="Somewhere (too lazy to find it now) there's a guideline about only doing about 5 clean-up edits at a time to avoid cluttering /active and the front page." CreationDate="2015-04-16T20:02:58.747" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="17760" PostId="8098" Score="3" Text="@Reaces here the related discussion about it: [What is (or what should be) the etiquette for editing old questions or posts?](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3572/what-should-be-the-etiquette-for-editing-old-questions). Our (ex-)mod also suggest that [we need to keep edits that bump old content to around 2 posts/hour](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/7937/cleanup-duplicate-tags-different-by-hyphenation-and-pluralization#comment17005_7937) so our front page didn't end up like [this case](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6783/mods-robo-rejecting-edits-that-are-objective-improvem)" CreationDate="2015-04-16T23:45:54.537" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="17792" PostId="8098" Score="2" Text="Also make sure to retag the question if necessary. I have a sneaky suspicion they were tagged badly to begin with." CreationDate="2015-04-19T16:01:09.240" UserId="3356" />
  <row Id="17759" PostId="8100" Score="0" Text="I had wondered. Now I know." CreationDate="2015-04-16T22:51:25.263" UserId="84104" />
  <row Id="17774" PostId="8101" Score="1" Text="This is a good start to encouraging a site that doesn't do community moderation to do so. +1" CreationDate="2015-04-17T13:44:53.563" UserId="182300" />
  <row Id="17778" PostId="8101" Score="0" Text="The review queue still doesn't let me do more than 20: &quot;Thank you for reviewing 20 close votes today; come back in 8 hours to continue reviewing.&quot; The close window shows my remaining votes, though." CreationDate="2015-04-17T15:50:01.623" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="17779" PostId="8101" Score="0" Text="Review limits are independent of close vote limits. Prior to, you had 24 votes per day, @nathan." CreationDate="2015-04-17T16:06:33.990" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17769" PostId="8102" Score="1" Text="There are specfic Q&amp;As prepared for this issue within the last week, all of which you can find linked above. :)" CreationDate="2015-04-17T04:50:42.173" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17770" PostId="8102" Score="4" Text="Also, I dislike the &quot;server control panel&quot; thing here. I'm trying to focus specifically on web hosting control panels, as there are plenty of &quot;server control panels&quot; which are quite professional and which we use all the time. If there are problems with particular ones, we can address those, but separately." CreationDate="2015-04-17T04:52:56.107" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17771" PostId="8102" Score="4" Text="@MichaelHampton would you mind clarifying in the question which panels this is intended to apply to, then?  Not using any of them, I'm no expert at distinguishing between the good and bad panels." CreationDate="2015-04-17T08:05:57.837" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17775" PostId="8102" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton I haven't found any distinction in screwed-up-ness between anything calling itself a control panel (or rather, a whole-server control panel, not a web-based UI like say, VMware). When I was working with webmin, it'll pretty much screw your stuff straight up just as bad as cPanel." CreationDate="2015-04-17T14:06:36.940" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17776" PostId="8102" Score="0" Text="@Wesley Strange, never seen that. The last Webmin install I saw did nothing of the sort and was quite well behaved." CreationDate="2015-04-17T14:18:03.867" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17780" PostId="8103" Score="1" Text="Take my upboats. The queue's growing fairly rapidly and outpaces people doing reviews." CreationDate="2015-04-17T17:41:40.027" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="17781" PostId="8103" Score="0" Text="Once Upon a Time, the 10K tools (which I no longer see, as I have mod-tools) had a listing of questions-with-close-votes on them. Is that tool still there, or did it go away when the review-queues came in?" CreationDate="2015-04-17T17:48:00.923" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="17782" PostId="8103" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 Ah, good point. I do see that one...it'll help for sure." CreationDate="2015-04-17T19:35:43.473" UserId="173547" />
  <row Id="17783" PostId="8103" Score="0" Text="If the close queue is under 100 I am not at all concerned." CreationDate="2015-04-17T19:46:08.457" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17784" PostId="8103" Score="0" Text="You *can* still see the 10K tools, @sysadmin1138 - http://serverfault.com/tools" CreationDate="2015-04-17T19:49:07.537" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17785" PostId="8105" Score="3" Text="Yeah, it's depressing in large doses.  You have to stop from time to time or you go blind." CreationDate="2015-04-18T01:14:00.703" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17786" PostId="8105" Score="1" Text="I hear you, Shog, but the highest-voted answer in the request for more close votes (linked above) predicted that given an increase in close votes without a concomitant increase in review queue limits, we'd see a jump in the size of the review queues.  So far, that seems to be exactly what's happened." CreationDate="2015-04-18T05:57:08.937" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17788" PostId="8105" Score="0" Text="That's [not at all clear](http://i.stack.imgur.com/ED961.png) just yet, @MadHatter - it could easily happen if too many people drop out of reviewing, but right now you seem to be doing a good job of keeping on top of it." CreationDate="2015-04-18T16:08:13.113" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17789" PostId="8105" Score="1" Text="@KatherineVillyard Agreed, occasionally one has to stop and wonder what the average quality of questions on this site is. If only there was another queue where one could go look on good questions for a while to get some encouragement." CreationDate="2015-04-19T13:40:47.247" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="17790" PostId="8105" Score="0" Text="It's partly the phenomenon I see in my wrists group--sometimes someone will want to send the same story through multiple times, until the group runs out of things to say about it, but after two times through I can't remember whether something happened in version two or version three any more--and partly, &quot;Oh yawn, oh stretch, let's crush some hopes and blight some dreams!&quot;, :( and partly yeah,  &quot;Wow, some of these questions are really bad!&quot;  In the other hand, the queue being large offends my sensibilities.  And yeah, it would be nice to go read a good question queue, heh." CreationDate="2015-04-19T14:35:46.773" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17791" PostId="8105" Score="0" Text="(&quot;Blight hopes and crush dreams&quot; is kind of an inside critique group joke, but it feels applicable.)" CreationDate="2015-04-19T14:38:56.890" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17793" PostId="8105" Score="1" Text="I'm fond of [the right column in 10k stats](http://serverfault.com/tools?tab=Stats&amp;daterange=last30days) @katherine" CreationDate="2015-04-19T16:01:38.640" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="17795" PostId="8107" Score="1" Text="What is it you're trying to design?" CreationDate="2015-04-19T23:49:31.320" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17796" PostId="8107" Score="2" Text="Is the goal to help you get a job?  Regardless of it isn't an actual problem you are facing then it has to fall into the good subjective rule which would be difficult from what you've described so far." CreationDate="2015-04-19T23:56:43.800" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="17823" PostId="8107" Score="0" Text="I quite like System Design questions.  I often use them as a springboard for blogposts." CreationDate="2015-04-23T11:29:46.123" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="17798" PostId="8109" Score="1" Text="[Only questions which are less than 60 days old can be migrated](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/10250/260672). And in the title above, @MichaelHampton ♦ explicitly 'invite' us to close **old, off-topic question**" CreationDate="2015-04-21T08:43:22.033" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="17799" PostId="8109" Score="0" Text="@masegaloeh In case of them it would be anyways a retroactive rule. They should soon remain." CreationDate="2015-04-21T08:47:00.647" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17800" PostId="8109" Score="0" Text="Would you like to edit your post and clarify what do you mean by *retroactive rule*? :)" CreationDate="2015-04-21T08:48:10.447" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="17801" PostId="8109" Score="0" Text="@masegaloeh What you don't understand?" CreationDate="2015-04-21T08:55:58.797" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17803" PostId="8109" Score="6" Text="The vast majority of these questions are crap. [We don't migrate crap](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/91411/why-was-this-question-closed-as-off-topic-without-being-migrated/91446#91446). Which [you've been reminded of quite recently](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8041/suggestion-helping-amateurs-to-get-their-way-to-su-unix-se/8042#comment17307_8042)." CreationDate="2015-04-21T13:57:16.490" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17804" PostId="8109" Score="0" Text="@EEAA What is crap, you should close because it is crap, and not because offtopic!" CreationDate="2015-04-21T14:35:05.140" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17805" PostId="8109" Score="2" Text="If it takes &quot;brainless destruction&quot; to help convince people that these control panels are an abomination, then I'm all for it. Honestly, though, these questions are adding no value to the site. Additionally, this is not the first time the community has clarified its understanding of topicality and then retroactively closed a bunch of questions. Same thing happened with shopping/product recommendation questions. And we're *still* cleaning up old questions from that one." CreationDate="2015-04-21T14:38:15.030" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17806" PostId="8109" Score="0" Text="@EEAA Not in all case! What is abonimation, that absolute beginners are coming here and show their hilarious php CPanel warnings! _They_ had to be migrated or eliminated, and not on the ground of offtopic, but on the ground of &quot;unclear&quot;, &quot;not professional&quot; or &quot;very low quality&quot;! What is also a real abonimation, is that the site invents a rule, and destroys a considerable part of its content retroactively!" CreationDate="2015-04-21T14:43:42.850" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17807" PostId="8109" Score="2" Text="You're entitled to your opinion." CreationDate="2015-04-21T14:44:39.920" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17808" PostId="8110" Score="9" Text="I don't see how a post that is mainly concerned with changes to the sites mechanic is relevant in this context, which deals with a very specific incident. Make it a new question, maybe even on [meta.se], not here." CreationDate="2015-04-21T18:45:39.520" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17809" PostId="8110" Score="1" Text="OK, I see your point. I see it as pertinent because my comments speak to the root causes of that event, but maybe at the meta-level! I can't do that now, but later when I have time. Meanwhile, this whole thread was about the fact that the &quot;system is broken&quot; because of moderation issues, and so rather than see it as a singular event as you do, I see it as systemic - hope you see my point. (Note, for example, the comments of ewwhite in response to Andrew Schulman et al. - systemic!)" CreationDate="2015-04-21T18:54:05.240" UserId="32757" />
  <row Id="17810" PostId="8110" Score="8" Text="For someone who boasts a lot on his profile, you sure did react quite immature to the down-vote. Regardless, I disagree with your statements, mainly because there already is an incentive for editing, it grants rep. You just need your edits approved. And we don't close duplicate articles, we mark them as duplicate. Because we're a site meant to help people find the knowledge they need, and a duplicate with slightly different wording can at some point help one more person. And I think that down-voting anonymously is very important, we don't need to justify every action, we don't get payed here." CreationDate="2015-04-21T19:23:29.233" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17811" PostId="8110" Score="7" Text="Also, a large part of this was due to questions that were once on-topic, and have since become off-topic. This is something that newer members can't judge all that well, if at all. Most of this required the time and effort of higher rep members. That hopeless took it up after becoming a moderator had more to do with his campaign during the moderator elections, than anything else. Honestly, if you have suggestions about how to handle rep, take it up at meta stackexchange. I have in the past, and you'll find a lot of things have already been discussed in the past." CreationDate="2015-04-21T19:27:42.273" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17854" PostId="8111" Score="6" Text="[This](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8054/abrupt-change-in-moderation-staff#comment17368_8054)." CreationDate="2015-04-30T20:18:20.180" UserDisplayName="user186340" />
  <row Id="17856" PostId="8111" Score="0" Text="@AndréDaniel nailed it :)" CreationDate="2015-05-01T00:43:25.407" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="17824" PostId="8112" Score="10" Text="Clearly? So why are there multiple complaints about the same thing in http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/7995/site-design-update-is-now-live and so many upvotes on all of them? All those answers have provided the same comment - the new fonts are too light, that hurts readability, because contrast goes down. Previously, the fonts were a darker blue, and reading was much easier." CreationDate="2015-04-23T13:21:14.737" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="17851" PostId="8112" Score="0" Text="@dynasny: I do completely agree both with your points about the readability issues as well as the lack of official comment on the matter, but perhaps it would be beneficial to also update the title of this post to reflect the fact it's questioning the lack of comment rather than the readability as already addressed?" CreationDate="2015-04-28T15:40:08.247" UserId="256877" />
  <row Id="17853" PostId="8112" Score="0" Text="@BE77Y Already put that in an edit, but I've also changed the title, just in case" CreationDate="2015-04-30T15:33:00.230" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="17855" PostId="8112" Score="3" Text="Upvoted because, while I'm not a fan of the design's heavy use of white space and I find it much more unpleasant, I don't want to say &quot;I don't like this!&quot; without having some more objective reasons and possible alternatives." CreationDate="2015-04-30T22:57:55.027" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="17819" PostId="8113" Score="1" Text="So, in essence - it's possible to write a systems design question which would be on-topic, but most of the questions we see aren't?" CreationDate="2015-04-23T09:50:25.597" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17820" PostId="8113" Score="3" Text="I'd hesitate to give a definitive answer without checking the data, but that's my gut feeling, yes." CreationDate="2015-04-23T10:26:32.123" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17821" PostId="8113" Score="1" Text="Now I think about it, that pretty much goes for all topics on the site..." CreationDate="2015-04-23T10:27:42.663" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="17822" PostId="8113" Score="0" Text="[You might say that; I couldn't possibly comment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Urquhart)." CreationDate="2015-04-23T10:39:43.307" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="17826" PostId="8114" Score="6" Text="Discouraging users who find these questions via Internet searches from asking more of them." CreationDate="2015-04-23T18:31:28.077" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17827" PostId="8114" Score="0" Text="I'm also much more a proponent of just closing the questions as they pop up on the front page / get used as a reason for creating new OT questions in stead of mass closing. I don't think we're helping our community feel like their input matters by asking them to spend time cleaning up old stuff just on the off chance that they'll be used as an argument. If someone brings it up on meta that they thought it was OT because they found an old question, then clearly they're interested and curious, two good qualities for SF." CreationDate="2015-04-23T20:59:02.193" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17828" PostId="8114" Score="1" Text="It certainly is interesting that we have a group of users with the idea that there is such a huge volume of new cpanel questions that the flood cannot be handled.  So much so that the number of new questions would come close to or exceed the effort required to close all the old ones." CreationDate="2015-04-23T21:55:22.603" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="17830" PostId="8114" Score="0" Text="In some way I feel that cPanel is our Moby Dick..." CreationDate="2015-04-24T09:27:17.680" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="18915" PostId="8114" Score="1" Text="Discouraging users from *anything* should not be on-topic in a professional sysadmin exchange. (But I have upvoted on the closing, just to make that clear)" CreationDate="2015-05-11T12:13:52.280" UserId="106483" />
  <row Id="19591" PostId="8114" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Such questions could be closed (as crap) or migrated to Unix / SU. There was a &quot;historical&quot; tag, or they could have been locked as well." CreationDate="2015-10-01T12:37:37.363" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="17829" PostId="8115" Score="6" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10582/what-is-a-closed-or-on-hold-question" CreationDate="2015-04-24T08:20:27.667" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="17831" PostId="8115" Score="0" Text="Thanks @Sven, that explains it perfectly!" CreationDate="2015-04-24T09:35:50.853" UserId="26639" />
  <row Id="17832" PostId="8116" Score="6" Text="You can still add a link to the image in the question.  You just can't embed it." CreationDate="2015-04-24T21:45:43.720" UserId="185768" />
  <row Id="17835" PostId="8116" Score="9" Text="In fact, whenever I see a new user link an image I usually embed it for them, as a general friendly thing." CreationDate="2015-04-25T03:36:56.907" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="17833" PostId="8118" Score="0" Text="I'm sure I had an account before, but it probably did get mixed up with Google's OpenID being dumb. (That's given me a lot of trouble.) How can I get that sorted? - Anyway, of course I could go voting and commenting to farm rep, but that just seems like cheating the system - and hard to get it by asking a question when it's making it difficult to ask the question I came for." CreationDate="2015-04-25T01:17:39.717" UserId="283599" />
  <row Id="17834" PostId="8118" Score="10" Text="@Rena There are indeed ways to cheat SE (at least until the bots detect your cheating), but participating in the site by commenting and voting are not in that list. I feel as if you're being a bit disingenuous by saying that restricting your ability to post images is making it unduly difficult for you to post a question. As others have commented, just post a link to the image and in the vast majority of cases, another higher-rep user will come along, edit your post, and embed it for you." CreationDate="2015-04-25T03:09:17.867" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="17839" PostId="8119" Score="0" Text="I actually have quite a few problems with readability when trying to read the site on my work laptops. But this one is probably the most blatant one. +1" CreationDate="2015-04-26T17:56:15.327" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="17837" PostId="8120" Score="2" Text="That seems to be what happened here. The user who posted the answer being reviewed did drop to 1 reputation just before the review task was generated." CreationDate="2015-04-25T21:23:15.687" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="17838" PostId="8120" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton - thanks for the investigation." CreationDate="2015-04-25T21:24:20.593" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="17842" PostId="8121" Score="0" Text="Bonus question for mod ♦: What's the difference between **synonym** and **merge** action?" CreationDate="2015-04-27T09:06:30.433" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="17843" PostId="8121" Score="0" Text="Synonyms and merges are two sides of the same coin. A merge is a one off action. A synonym automatically re tags a tag when it is used." CreationDate="2015-04-27T09:36:04.170" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="17844" PostId="8121" Score="0" Text="Thanks @MarkHenderson. For clarification: suppose I have two tags [tag-a] and [tag-b]. If mod ♦ perform **merge [tag-a] to [tag-b]**, did [tag-b] get deleted and not listed on [this page](http://serverfault.com/tags) again ?" CreationDate="2015-04-27T10:02:50.507" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="18872" PostId="8124" Score="3" Text="This question appears likely to fail the &quot;managing information technology systems in a business environment&quot; test, that is, our very topic." CreationDate="2015-05-03T19:40:37.200" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="18873" PostId="8124" Score="1" Text="Yes,  @Michael Hampton ,  I think your right. I looked again at the various sites on stackexchange and I think 'Software Recommendations'&#xA;(&quot;Q&amp;A for people seeking specific software recommendations&quot;) is an appropriate forum." CreationDate="2015-05-03T21:12:28.290" UserId="97543" />
  <row Id="18881" PostId="8128" Score="8" Text="I....don't even know where to begin." CreationDate="2015-05-06T03:29:50.990" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="18882" PostId="8128" Score="0" Text="@EEAA I could have made this shorter, with a clear structure. If I did, would you be now satisfied with the post?" CreationDate="2015-05-06T03:34:24.927" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="18884" PostId="8128" Score="5" Text="My comment was about the content, not the structure." CreationDate="2015-05-06T03:43:29.847" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="18885" PostId="8128" Score="5" Text="If we reduce the community down to five users, I think we could streamline the process further. Just think about it: mandatory surgeries to add straw shaped neck catheters! We may need to keep a few stools around for the shorter help vampires, but I think we're on to something here." CreationDate="2015-05-06T05:52:09.793" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="18886" PostId="8128" Score="6" Text="I enjoyed reading that." CreationDate="2015-05-06T07:00:31.543" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="19021" PostId="8128" Score="0" Text="Someone has broken the rules. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrHdo-v9mRA" CreationDate="2015-06-19T16:30:22.857" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="20054" PostId="8129" Score="1" Text="I sense sarcasm in this answer." CreationDate="2015-12-12T21:23:09.777" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20055" PostId="8129" Score="2" Text="Sarcasm? Really?!" CreationDate="2015-12-12T21:26:36.707" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="18887" PostId="8130" Score="2" Text="I'd want to amend that: `s/have a pretty high bar of entry/should have a pretty high bar of entry/`." CreationDate="2015-05-06T12:05:42.317" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19088" PostId="8133" Score="0" Text="I have come across a case where I wanted to alert a user who had accidentally published some security sensitive information. A private message would be the only appropriate way to do that. Even publicly stating which user I wanted to get in touch with would potentially alert other people who might find and decide to abuse said information." CreationDate="2015-07-27T11:55:33.220" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="18896" PostId="8134" Score="0" Text="Do you think that this might be a nice addition?  Hiding the name using some type of alias as does LinkedIn?" CreationDate="2015-05-07T08:26:03.517" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="18914" PostId="8134" Score="3" Text="It's been discussed to death many times over the years, and [the answer is still no](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/431/189912)." CreationDate="2015-05-10T01:44:23.277" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="18897" PostId="8135" Score="0" Text="Here you are specifically saying &quot;*and the exchange cannot be in the public*&quot;. What if I want to send a message to a specific user, and I don't care if it is public or not? Adding comments to a question or answer is sometimes the proper approach. But if the message is related to a locked question, or simply to draw a specific person's attention to a question, that approach wouldn't work." CreationDate="2015-05-07T12:04:24.317" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="18898" PostId="8135" Score="0" Text="@kasperd If that's the case, just mention them in a chat room with an @ tag" CreationDate="2015-05-07T13:11:34.037" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="18899" PostId="8135" Score="0" Text="@Hyppy So, if I created a new chat room and wrote a message with one person tagged, how visible would it be to other users? Would it be displayed so prominently, that others might be bothered by it?" CreationDate="2015-05-07T13:22:08.310" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="18900" PostId="8135" Score="2" Text="@kasperd I don't think it would be a bother to anyone.  Heck, feel free to use the Comms Room even (link on the right side).  The only notification ends up in the user's inbox, it's not like we're all blasted with every line of the chat rooms." CreationDate="2015-05-07T13:26:20.550" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="18901" PostId="8135" Score="1" Text="@Hyppy I noticed that if you find a user profile in chat, there is even a button to start a new chat with that user, as can be seen on http://chat.stackexchange.com/users/116210/kasperd or http://chat.stackexchange.com/users/10312/hyppy. But I couldn't find a link from the user profile on SF to the one on chat, so it appears in order to use that button, I have to go to http://chat.stackexchange.com/users and search for the username." CreationDate="2015-05-07T16:11:07.870" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="18912" PostId="8135" Score="1" Text="@kasperd I already put [a feature request to have the link to the chat user](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/281695/2171120) on Meta.SO some months ago, but seems they didn’t implement that yet ☹ would be useful here." CreationDate="2015-05-08T13:20:08.170" UserId="189656" />
  <row Id="18913" PostId="8135" Score="3" Text="I am pretty sure you can't `@` someone in chat unless they have recently been in chat." CreationDate="2015-05-08T20:14:38.237" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="19017" PostId="8135" Score="0" Text="@Zoredache Looks like you might be right about that." CreationDate="2015-06-17T21:53:28.427" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="18910" PostId="8136" Score="0" Text="See also: http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/50116/131874 - and that list hasn't been updated in almost 3 years..." CreationDate="2015-05-08T02:53:20.843" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="18903" PostId="8138" Score="0" Text="How would you judge this http://serverfault.com/questions/690485/how-to-make-a-request-to-a-machine-on-a-private-network#comment850611_690485 ?" CreationDate="2015-05-08T01:47:11.210" UserId="201677" />
  <row Id="18904" PostId="8138" Score="0" Text="Doesn't show any research effort, and also no evidence that this is actually about managing systems in a business environment. I placed the fifth (and final) close vote." CreationDate="2015-05-08T01:48:39.610" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="18905" PostId="8138" Score="0" Text="+1 we are following the same way." CreationDate="2015-05-08T01:49:30.417" UserId="201677" />
  <row Id="18907" PostId="8138" Score="0" Text="by the way i don't speak in here about &quot;why this was not closed by Mod own decision&quot; regarding reasons you gave...ps : don't consider i don't want to help! I WANT ! i just don't want to loose my time :)" CreationDate="2015-05-08T01:57:16.207" UserId="201677" />
  <row Id="18908" PostId="8138" Score="0" Text="Use SE enough and that'll happen. I've had many answers &quot;stepped on&quot; by close votes. Don't worry about it. Soon you'll be able to look at a question and tell whether or not it's going to be closed. If it's going to be closed, then don't bother answering." CreationDate="2015-05-08T01:58:35.087" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="18909" PostId="8138" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much. I just realise that my question was poor for community, but usefull to me, just as your answer and your time was. Thanks again" CreationDate="2015-05-08T02:02:12.797" UserId="201677" />
  <row Id="18917" PostId="8141" Score="0" Text="Thank you @Michael Hampton" CreationDate="2015-05-11T22:05:18.313" UserId="201677" />
  <row Id="18918" PostId="8141" Score="1" Text="lol ! I love the link you reference to :) ;) Will review my RFC reading skills, i promise ;)" CreationDate="2015-05-11T22:06:25.620" UserId="201677" />
  <row Id="18923" PostId="8141" Score="0" Text="&lt;grin&gt; OK, good, thanks!" CreationDate="2015-05-13T09:39:31.920" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="18922" PostId="8142" Score="2" Text="If you solve your question yourself, it would be nice if you write an answer instead of just deleting it." CreationDate="2015-05-13T07:36:34.413" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="18925" PostId="8142" Score="0" Text="@sven, you see the 3 downvotes? That's what I wanted to avoid when I deleted my question." CreationDate="2015-05-13T16:49:08.233" UserId="109833" />
  <row Id="18926" PostId="8142" Score="3" Text="Meta up/downvotes don't affect reputation, they're only used as a method for agreement or disagreement." CreationDate="2015-05-13T18:03:23.860" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="18927" PostId="8142" Score="0" Text="@Hyppy: Exactly. And your answer has two upvotes." CreationDate="2015-05-13T18:03:56.177" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="18932" PostId="8142" Score="0" Text="@Hyppy Despite that downs have a significant psychological pressure, even on meta." CreationDate="2015-05-14T12:17:18.950" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="18930" PostId="8143" Score="1" Text="You can (should) accept your own answer, too." CreationDate="2015-05-14T12:07:04.663" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="18931" PostId="8143" Score="0" Text="15 more hours until i can." CreationDate="2015-05-14T12:14:03.313" UserId="109833" />
  <row Id="18936" PostId="8143" Score="1" Text="Yeah, I've been tricked by the delay, too.  :)" CreationDate="2015-05-14T22:21:38.210" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="19113" PostId="8143" Score="0" Text="I think that achievement and the Vox Populi get picked up in a daily `cron` job that runs after midnight UTC." CreationDate="2015-08-17T22:19:14.603" UserId="205542" />
  <row Id="18937" PostId="8144" Score="6" Text="IMHO, the response to &quot;no research&quot; questions should be closing... As a duplicate. Hence the recent efforts to make dup-closing faster/easier - there are a lot of poorly-researched questions that should be closed. If there's no duplicate, then all it takes is one good answer to damn all *future* poorly-researched questions... Related: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/210840/should-stack-overflow-and-stack-exchange-in-general-be-awarding-as-for-effor" CreationDate="2015-05-14T23:20:41.640" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="18938" PostId="8145" Score="1" Text="As a side note, if you're intending to leave a canonical answer to deal with these problems I recommend labeling your answer as such. I can't even count the number of times I've answered &quot;how can I use PAM-based two factor with GSSAPI or ssh keys&quot; (not possible, but honestly not a bad question), only for the Q&amp;A to get shunted over to another site." CreationDate="2015-05-15T13:33:44.197" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="18981" PostId="8145" Score="1" Text="On a rainy afternoon I typed up something that might form the basis for a canonical `iptables` question [here](http://serverfault.com/questions/696182)" CreationDate="2015-06-02T20:46:40.867" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="18982" PostId="8145" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn Outstanding. I've only had time to skim it so far, but looks great. I'll give it a full read later." CreationDate="2015-06-02T21:12:54.610" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="18935" PostId="8146" Score="5" Text="Additionally, it's usually quicker to make friends with your favorite search engine than asking (typing up) a question on virtually *any* SE site, and waiting for someone to come along, read it, understand what your needs are, and type up an answer. Even in the best of cases, that's a lot of time you could have spent Googling! (Or reading tvtropes.org, but make sure you turn off web proxy URL logging first...)" CreationDate="2015-05-14T22:13:19.383" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="18944" PostId="8150" Score="0" Text="Well sorry...i should have read the user guide...mean &quot;Read that f*** manual !&quot; :)" CreationDate="2015-05-20T13:00:20.727" UserId="201677" />
  <row Id="18966" PostId="8152" Score="0" Text="They share a lot of syntax and many answers are applicable to either.  Making this overly specific is not intuitive for newbs and it prevents post-newbs from categorizing things properly." CreationDate="2015-05-29T16:38:05.533" UserId="205542" />
  <row Id="18947" PostId="8154" Score="0" Text="I don't feel really strongly one way or the other.  If the description has been good over 3 years then restore may be the better choice.  I just really want to have a single tag." CreationDate="2015-05-20T22:25:41.127" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="18951" PostId="8154" Score="9" Text="Something to consider:  Restore isn't clear.  Backup-Restoration is perfectly clear.  System Restoration on Windows is not equitable to Backup Restoration (Although there are many parallels)." CreationDate="2015-05-22T19:33:04.353" UserId="9220" />
  <row Id="18958" PostId="8158" Score="3" Text="I don't think this is a good idea. The problem is, users who ask questions here are often not experienced enough to know whether their question is specific to an Apache version, and this extra tag will just confuse them (and the rest of us). They will often get it wrong." CreationDate="2015-05-27T15:47:23.667" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="18961" PostId="8158" Score="0" Text="Might want to get rid of the [tag:apache-2.x] and [tag:apache-1.x] tags then, @MichaelHampton. Adding an appropriate 1.... tag as needed." CreationDate="2015-05-29T03:20:01.323" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="18963" PostId="8158" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 They are gotten rid of." CreationDate="2015-05-29T15:54:59.890" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="18964" PostId="8158" Score="0" Text="I'm glad Michael is happy.  Trying to make things easier is a laudable goal, but this is removing the sharp edges from a useful tool.  That's carrying things too far for my tastes, but treating ops folks like children is often effective." CreationDate="2015-05-29T16:36:30.110" UserId="205542" />
  <row Id="18965" PostId="8158" Score="0" Text="In my experience, sysops and children have an awful lot of common ground, @chicks... Implementing the blacklist." CreationDate="2015-05-29T16:37:22.123" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="18967" PostId="8158" Score="0" Text="@chicks If only everyone asking questions on Server Fault was &quot;ops folks&quot;. Unfortunately most are not." CreationDate="2015-05-29T16:56:40.807" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="18968" PostId="8158" Score="0" Text="Regardless of how we perceive the site's audience we are making things more confusing by people finding a question that is generic to apache is tagged with a later subversion than they are using." CreationDate="2015-05-29T18:35:19.800" UserId="205542" />
  <row Id="18959" PostId="8161" Score="5" Text="We _like_ new answers to old questions, provided the answers are good, of course." CreationDate="2015-05-29T00:43:54.013" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="18960" PostId="8161" Score="5" Text="Precisely. I love giving new fresh answers with my modern experience. But I see problems in the other direction as well: things like Docker containers and premade VMs and templates and (basic) walkthroughs are numerous and make it easy to be a very lazy sysadmin and/or programmer; someone who just follows a walkthrough or set of steps with no thought behind it. I think good question platforms like SE are crucial as long as they are treated like a fine garden: well-pruned and maintained." CreationDate="2015-05-29T01:24:08.180" UserId="188250" />
  <row Id="18962" PostId="8161" Score="4" Text="I like you. Please stick around!" CreationDate="2015-05-29T06:49:27.473" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="18969" PostId="8163" Score="2" Text="This is a feature request that would be better to ask on http://meta.stackexchange.com (if it wouldn't already exist)." CreationDate="2015-05-29T21:36:18.050" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="18970" PostId="8164" Score="0" Text="Wow yes! seems you are right, just tested it successfully. By now not sure if there are pins notifications" CreationDate="2015-05-29T21:38:17.783" UserId="201677" />
  <row Id="18971" PostId="8164" Score="0" Text="No, you don't get an inbox notification. See the linked meta.se question for the limitations of that feature." CreationDate="2015-05-29T21:41:03.460" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="18972" PostId="8164" Score="0" Text="@krisFR You won't get inbox notifications (and that's probably good!) but you will see notifications in your own user profile." CreationDate="2015-05-29T21:47:19.630" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="18973" PostId="8165" Score="6" Text="If _every_ answer appears to be wrong, the two _most likely_ reasons are: 1. You didn't understand the question, or 2. You hold a belief which is incorrect. It's certainly possible that you're the only person who knows something that has escaped the notice of thousands of others, but it does seem unlikely. Since I'm a Linux admin I can't really tell which of these is the case, but you should be prepared for the possibility that it's you who might be mistaken." CreationDate="2015-05-31T00:29:42.533" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="18974" PostId="8165" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton: Yeah, running exclusively on Linux too, but I still have some friends/family I haven't been able to convince to move over to FLOSS...  ;-)" CreationDate="2015-05-31T15:27:33.787" UserId="268601" />
  <row Id="18979" PostId="8165" Score="3" Text="@MichaelHampton: Just to inform you that, *yes, my belief **was** incorrect:* it cannot be done *reliably*! Answer deleted and thanks again for the feed-back." CreationDate="2015-06-01T12:06:32.873" UserId="268601" />
  <row Id="18975" PostId="8166" Score="0" Text="See comment below the original answer: it *can* be done *for a file* (which is what the original question is about) and I've tested on Vista and Windows 7, and will be re-installing my Windows 10 preview sometime later when I get some more time as I personally don't run Windows." CreationDate="2015-05-31T15:30:52.643" UserId="268601" />
  <row Id="18978" PostId="8166" Score="1" Text="Everyone *was* right and I was wrong: *it cannot be done reliably!*: so your meta answer accepted and my SF answer deleted!  **;-)**  I didn't bother installing W10, but just tried it out on a Win8 machine..." CreationDate="2015-06-01T12:03:14.947" UserId="268601" />
  <row Id="18976" PostId="8169" Score="0" Text="It's not and it's not." CreationDate="2015-05-31T19:43:18.733" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="18977" PostId="8169" Score="1" Text="I thinl you need to read this thread again..." CreationDate="2015-05-31T19:50:20.713" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="18983" PostId="8171" Score="0" Text="Actually, I've only ever had to do this once...  And this is it, but I *was wrong!*  ;-)  (upvoted as it's a balanced answer)" CreationDate="2015-06-03T20:39:09.567" UserId="268601" />
  <row Id="19595" PostId="8171" Score="0" Text="@Fabby Well, it is risky :-) It is better to double-check." CreationDate="2015-10-01T13:06:38.937" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="18985" PostId="8173" Score="7" Text="How many of those questions actually refer to TCP, and how many refer to IPv4? Someone should go through and retag these before this is done." CreationDate="2015-06-08T03:08:12.527" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="18986" PostId="8174" Score="2" Text="You can also _change your displayed name_." CreationDate="2015-06-09T07:33:25.837" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="18987" PostId="8174" Score="0" Text="I rather not change it if there is another way... is there?" CreationDate="2015-06-09T07:36:33.973" UserId="109833" />
  <row Id="18989" PostId="8174" Score="22" Text="I'd suggest getting a better class of customers, who don't get all upset because you have the great good sense to talk to others about issues you face... though I understand that this would be more of a long-term solution!" CreationDate="2015-06-09T09:25:41.233" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="18992" PostId="8174" Score="2" Text="What Jenny D said.  Also, I don't imagine people seeing you asking good, smart questions and getting upvoted for it would be such a bad thing.  I could be wrong, of course." CreationDate="2015-06-09T15:57:34.667" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="18999" PostId="8174" Score="10" Text="@JennyD I work with clients that have similar situations where they don't want any problems associated with their infrastructure to be in any way discussed publicly. It's not normally a matter among consultants of keeping up appearances of being all knowing. Usually for consultants it's a matter of client confidentiality. Some clients are in sensitive industries and are attack targets, so any publicly identifieable information about them increases potential surface area for attacks." CreationDate="2015-06-10T20:15:05.110" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="19000" PostId="8174" Score="0" Text="That's true and some of my customers are such" CreationDate="2015-06-10T20:16:34.773" UserId="109833" />
  <row Id="19001" PostId="8174" Score="5" Text="Anyway, to the OP, as a result, I sanitize all of my questions that have client information in them. I also [do not inlcude information such as public DNS records in my questions](http://thenubbyadmin.com/2012/07/09/asking-technical-questions-on-forums-how-much-client-information-do-you-include/). Any connection between me and the clients I work with has potential for increasing attack surface area. Simply write questions and remove all client information if possible. It gets tricky, and some questions are muddled as a result, but you get more skillful at it as times goes on. =)" CreationDate="2015-06-10T20:17:26.180" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="19003" PostId="8174" Score="0" Text="@Wesley Oh yes, I will also clear out any mention of the customer when asking questions.  So far, all of mine have been about customers' issues. In at least one case, I've even asked the client to look at the question and let me know if I wrote it down correctly. So - yes, hiding the client is the right thing to do; I just don't want to hide myself." CreationDate="2015-06-11T04:05:18.827" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19004" PostId="8174" Score="0" Text="@JennyD Ahhh, gotcha. :thumbsup:" CreationDate="2015-06-11T05:10:24.707" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="18988" PostId="8175" Score="0" Text="Thanks, that answers my question." CreationDate="2015-06-09T08:12:51.190" UserId="109833" />
  <row Id="19002" PostId="8175" Score="9" Text="The first two paragraphs are correct: having a second account is absolutely allowed, but you must make sure the two never interact (this has been documented on Meta.stackexchange.com).  I disagree that it's dishonest." CreationDate="2015-06-10T20:45:15.347" UserId="111679" />
  <row Id="19007" PostId="8175" Score="7" Text="&quot;[It is not a problem to have multiple accounts, as long as they aren't voting for each other and doing other sockpuppet-y things.](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/35607/157730)&quot;" CreationDate="2015-06-12T17:24:09.270" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="19011" PostId="8175" Score="0" Text="+1 for just using an anonymous account for random questions you don't want tracked to you.  That's the easier way and it won't cause any conflict of interest you discuss about &quot;sockpuppeting&quot;." CreationDate="2015-06-16T12:43:46.760" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="19019" PostId="8175" Score="2" Text="Changing the username is not always okay, on many google-indexed places (mainly on comment replies) the old name remains forever." CreationDate="2015-06-19T07:11:04.287" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="18990" PostId="8176" Score="21" Text="&quot;sometimes contributes&quot;" CreationDate="2015-06-09T14:35:30.063" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="19006" PostId="8176" Score="4" Text="+1 for &quot;All-knowing is a ridiculous expectation&quot;.  It's more ridiculous to *accept* the label." CreationDate="2015-06-12T15:11:20.937" UserId="205065" />
  <row Id="19008" PostId="8176" Score="5" Text="That ewwhite &quot;sometimes contributes&quot; to Server Fault must be the understatement of the week -- *world-wide*." CreationDate="2015-06-12T17:25:14.337" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="19009" PostId="8176" Score="0" Text="And not to mention that potential clients might even find you better while searching for problems by themselves - has happened one time for me." CreationDate="2015-06-12T19:06:49.950" UserId="92444" />
  <row Id="18991" PostId="8177" Score="1" Text="Closing does not mean deletion. It mostly means more answers can't be added. Since it was answered well already, not a big deal." CreationDate="2015-06-09T15:52:25.653" UserId="5947" />
  <row Id="18993" PostId="8178" Score="0" Text="&quot;was too old to migrate&quot; - so it is technically impossible to migrate some questions? and if you migrated it to SU, how would you identify that the question is not within SF audience?" CreationDate="2015-06-09T17:21:19.223" UserId="142043" />
  <row Id="18994" PostId="8178" Score="0" Text="@CostinGușă the issue happens on resume as the OP stated, which most likely is not done on an actual bare metal server.&#xA;Additionally you can only migrate questions the first few days (week or so i think) after it was created." CreationDate="2015-06-10T09:26:50.250" UserId="157970" />
  <row Id="18995" PostId="8178" Score="3" Text="@CostinGușă: `how would you identify that the question is not within SF audience?` By reading it and applying our [topic list](http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic), how else?" CreationDate="2015-06-10T09:36:56.370" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="18996" PostId="8179" Score="1" Text="That's not really an answer, and if it were posted as such it would be converted to a comment or deleted." CreationDate="2015-06-10T12:39:05.010" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="18997" PostId="8179" Score="0" Text="Agreed; however, once the user posted that as an answer, my intention was to edit it with more detail. I still feel as though he should get the credit, because I wouldn't have checked out that link if he hadn't of posted it. I guess though, in this case, I should just answer my own question, with detail from that link? What happens to the bounty if I do that?" CreationDate="2015-06-10T12:41:41.637" UserId="60601" />
  <row Id="18998" PostId="8180" Score="3" Text="That's what I figured. I'll wait then until the bounty expires and if he hasn't posted it as an answer by then, I'll post the answer. I'm not worried about the bounty points myself...I'm just glad I got an answer!" CreationDate="2015-06-10T12:44:08.680" UserId="60601" />
  <row Id="19012" PostId="8185" Score="2" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/161390/what-are-the-review-queues-and-how-do-they-work" CreationDate="2015-06-16T16:37:19.663" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19013" PostId="8186" Score="0" Text="Yes, SF is on SU's migration target list." CreationDate="2015-06-17T10:49:06.830" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19014" PostId="8187" Score="0" Text="The network-wide feature is that *users* cannot vote for migration if a question is older than 60 days. The SU policy is that *moderators* won't migrate questions older than 2 months. This might get out of hand and become yet another discussion about the SF's direction, but I strongly disagree that there is no value in migrating relevant questions. If it is our area of expertise and we want to answer these questions (while the originating site can't), then they belong here." CreationDate="2015-06-17T11:13:58.330" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="19015" PostId="8187" Score="4" Text="No. Even mod's can't migrate stuff older than 60 days. [Citing](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10249/what-is-migration-and-how-does-it-work): `Only questions which are less than 60 days old can be migrated. This rule even applies to moderators. Developers are able to bypass this restriction, but they only do so in very, very rare cases.`" CreationDate="2015-06-17T12:20:27.307" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19016" PostId="8187" Score="0" Text="Bummer. I see. Too bad." CreationDate="2015-06-17T18:58:16.000" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="19018" PostId="8187" Score="2" Text="As a SU mod, I can confirm that." CreationDate="2015-06-18T14:44:22.043" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="19022" PostId="8190" Score="0" Text="What do you mean by re-asking? Would I be copying the off-site question's content to SF under my name and attributing it to the other site? This is really encouraged?" CreationDate="2015-06-20T19:09:18.600" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="19023" PostId="8190" Score="0" Text="&quot;Encouraged&quot;? Not really; it is rarely a good idea. In this particular instance, it beats migration if you want SF answers to a SU question though." CreationDate="2015-06-20T21:08:40.783" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="19024" PostId="8196" Score="2" Text="What option(s) do you feel are missing, and how often do you think you'd use them? As others mentioned the list is effectively capped at 5 but we can get the list of migration targets changed if there's a good reason to do so." CreationDate="2015-06-25T13:20:26.233" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="19032" PostId="8198" Score="1" Text="As of today I see 30 questions migrated to DBA, not 10?" CreationDate="2015-06-29T00:07:45.900" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19033" PostId="8198" Score="0" Text="I probably mis-read the 10% rejection rate as the number of migrations." CreationDate="2015-06-29T21:13:44.647" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="19028" PostId="8199" Score="2" Text="Seriously, someone down voted for this? I was asking to keep the community clean and someone downvoted." CreationDate="2015-06-25T22:06:36.093" UserId="127819" />
  <row Id="19030" PostId="8199" Score="7" Text="Downvotes on meta don't change your reputation and are mostly used to signal agreement or disagreement, so in this case read it as &quot;I don't think such a question would be a good idea here&quot;." CreationDate="2015-06-25T22:32:21.723" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19031" PostId="8199" Score="1" Text="@ViníciusFerrão Sadly the tooltips when hovering over the upvote and downvote arrows in meta don't appear to be accurate. At least, they're not accurate based on previous discussions about what votes on meta mean. It's not to be taken in the same way as votes on the main site. Sven explained it right." CreationDate="2015-06-26T23:46:34.240" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="19025" PostId="8200" Score="0" Text="Thank you Sven. Just a dumb question, there is any site on the StackExchange community to ask questions like this? Or we are out of help over here?" CreationDate="2015-06-25T18:57:49.980" UserId="127819" />
  <row Id="19026" PostId="8200" Score="4" Text="Well, the very reasons outlined in http://serverfault.com/questions/215405/can-you-help-me-with-my-software-licensing-issue makes this as impractical to answer on any other site. Licensing is a difficult topic and potentially expensive if you don't get it right, so just ask the vendor and be on the safe side." CreationDate="2015-06-25T19:24:51.690" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19027" PostId="8200" Score="1" Text="Vinicius, you should probably also understand the function of **canonical** questions on SF.  More can be found at http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1986/what-are-the-canonical-answers-weve-discovered-over-the-years , if you're curious." CreationDate="2015-06-25T21:11:54.577" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="19029" PostId="8200" Score="0" Text="Thank you guys." CreationDate="2015-06-25T22:07:13.523" UserId="127819" />
  <row Id="19034" PostId="8204" Score="0" Text="Thank You! (@MichaelHampton, MadHatter &amp; HBrujin) for your replies. I will edit my question as soon as I can make the time." CreationDate="2015-07-01T20:03:04.760" UserId="295721" />
  <row Id="19035" PostId="8206" Score="1" Text="Great, thanks that you took the time to respond. I will edit my question and add the points you noted." CreationDate="2015-07-01T20:05:25.220" UserId="295721" />
  <row Id="19036" PostId="8207" Score="0" Text="Yes, you might be right that I am asking for a non-standard, maybe questionable setup. I will edit my question as soon as I can make the time and move rsync from the 'question' to the 'already considered' part. Thank you!" CreationDate="2015-07-01T20:10:36.067" UserId="295721" />
  <row Id="19042" PostId="8209" Score="5" Text="I [reported this earlier when the design went live](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/8027/126632) and was utterly ignored." CreationDate="2015-07-08T14:51:07.963" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19043" PostId="8209" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton oh ok :|  Atleast then it show them it's a bug, not a feature request. unless they can explain to me how they draw a green box by error." CreationDate="2015-07-08T16:18:21.917" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19044" PostId="8209" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton - raised on MSE: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/260500/how-often-do-developers-monitor-site-specific-metas-for-bugs" CreationDate="2015-07-12T03:30:40.080" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="19045" PostId="8210" Score="8" Text="I doubt you'll get much sympathy for that particular question... The user doesn't seem to know what's going on and has a clear lack of basic sysadmin knowledge. I don't have the link on hand but there's a guideline / general advice we follow: don't migrate crap. And honestly &quot;halp my site used to have ssl but now it doesn't maybe or it never has and there's warnings but I don't know which and it's not mine I inherited it so I don't know how it's set up!' is crap. That guy needs help from whoever he works under, not us." CreationDate="2015-07-13T21:12:56.647" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19046" PostId="8210" Score="0" Text="@Reaces Here's the link: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1435/what-is-the-scope-of-server-related-software-questions-that-are-considered-on-to/1460#1460" CreationDate="2015-07-13T21:18:23.390" UserId="84104" />
  <row Id="19047" PostId="8210" Score="1" Text="Well then I really got a problem. Because it doesn't look like crap to me... looks like a genuine question. So the problem now it's seems to be: how do I recognize 'crap' ? What I think it's happening here is a cultural problem. Maybe from my cultural background I have a different perspective of what could be considered 'crap'. Maybe you can point me some directions ?&#xA;And there's still the case of moderator rudeness. Or do you also think that Sven's treatment of the case could also be considered adequate and it's me that looking at it as rudeness ?" CreationDate="2015-07-13T21:25:52.817" UserId="202702" />
  <row Id="19048" PostId="8210" Score="9" Text="@NelsonTeixeira: You can just use the `skip` button in the review if you are not sure about a question. Again, when in doubt, don't act." CreationDate="2015-07-13T21:36:15.840" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19070" PostId="8210" Score="4" Text="Thank you for listening and understanding!" CreationDate="2015-07-14T16:23:18.937" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19049" PostId="8211" Score="0" Text="In the way I'm seeing this, I used the SO's flag mechanism with the option: &quot;should be close...&quot; -&gt; &quot;off-topic because&quot; -&gt; &quot;Questions on professional server- or networking-related infrastructure administration are off-topic for Stack Overflow [...]. You may be able to get help on Server Fault.&quot;. So it's seems to me this was a professional server  question (&quot;one of my users&quot;). So what I'm affraid is that I WAS sure this was on-topic here and now don't know how I can be sure of what's on topic here." CreationDate="2015-07-13T21:44:54.913" UserId="202702" />
  <row Id="19050" PostId="8211" Score="3" Text="So I guess my only option is not direct any users here and use only the more generic &quot;This question belongs on another site in the Stack Exchange network &quot;." CreationDate="2015-07-13T21:44:59.470" UserId="202702" />
  <row Id="19051" PostId="8211" Score="0" Text="About my perception of you have being rude, I accept your appologies. But please be more constructive next time ok ? We all need to learn." CreationDate="2015-07-13T21:45:05.097" UserId="202702" />
  <row Id="19052" PostId="8211" Score="0" Text="OK, no problem." CreationDate="2015-07-13T21:52:36.430" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19054" PostId="8212" Score="0" Text="disagreeing at least partially.&#xA;qoute: And there's no way that any individual person knows what is or isn't topical on all of them.&#xA;true, but one can figure that out before asking a question or in this case: try to migrate somewhere." CreationDate="2015-07-14T08:08:36.090" UserId="157970" />
  <row Id="19055" PostId="8212" Score="0" Text="@DennisNolte Which is what voting and flagging is for. But in this case the user commented on a question &quot;hey just go ask it at serverfault!&quot;." CreationDate="2015-07-14T08:09:22.580" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19060" PostId="8212" Score="0" Text="Now this was a real useful advice :) I really did this. I commend and sent him to SF. I won't do that anymore and will only flag questions so people can vote. Thanks for this answer." CreationDate="2015-07-14T14:44:53.350" UserId="202702" />
  <row Id="19053" PostId="8213" Score="2" Text="A short note: SF is not on SO's migration list, for this exact reason. This was all manually, with a comment and a new question,  not a migration." CreationDate="2015-07-14T08:06:46.010" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19056" PostId="8213" Score="0" Text="+1, I do the same in the review queue for Linux questions." CreationDate="2015-07-14T12:34:57.380" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="19057" PostId="8213" Score="0" Text="Thanks @Sven, I clarified that in my response." CreationDate="2015-07-14T13:04:27.737" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19058" PostId="8213" Score="0" Text="@Sven that's not true. SF IS on SO migration's list. That's why I send him here. Take a look at this screen capture: http://postimg.org/image/l786ldvez/" CreationDate="2015-07-14T14:40:59.533" UserId="202702" />
  <row Id="19059" PostId="8213" Score="0" Text="You flag &quot;Should be closed&quot;, then &quot;off-topic because...&quot; than the screen I posted above apears with SF option on it." CreationDate="2015-07-14T14:41:58.727" UserId="202702" />
  <row Id="19061" PostId="8213" Score="3" Text="@NelsonTeixeira: The migration list I mean is something else. If you have 3k reputation, you will be able to vote to close a question. In the vote dialog, there is an option to vote to migrate the question to another site, and if the majority of five users agree, it will get migrated to the site. There is a limited number of possible migration targets on every site, and SF used to be on SOs list, but is not anymore because too much crap got migrated over here." CreationDate="2015-07-14T14:47:23.980" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19062" PostId="8213" Score="2" Text="@NelsonTeixeira The option to migrate is at the bottom of that picture, where it says *This question belongs on another site in the StackExchange network*. When you chose that option, you'll get a list of sites that you can vote to migrate to - then the question will be transferred to that site, if four more people agree." CreationDate="2015-07-14T14:49:05.043" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19063" PostId="8213" Score="0" Text="@JennyD but if that's the case why is this option there ?&#xA;&#xA;&quot;Questions on professional server- or networking-related infrastructure administration are off-topic for Stack Overflow unless they directly involve programming or programming tools. You may be able to get help on Server Fault. &quot;" CreationDate="2015-07-14T14:54:25.650" UserId="202702" />
  <row Id="19064" PostId="8213" Score="0" Text="@NelsonTeixeira: If the question gets closed with that reason, there will be a informative text below the question that includes this text. That does not free the OP from checking if the question is on-topic on the other site. I really wish they would add a hint like &quot;Make sure  the question is welcome&quot; to this message." CreationDate="2015-07-14T14:58:37.727" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19065" PostId="8213" Score="0" Text="@NelsonTeixeira Because too many people used the migrate option for questions that really didn't belong here, so it was removed. Like the question that this is all about - it doesn't belong here, but you didn't know that because you don't know this site and don't know how to tell a question that is suitable for this site from one that isn't. We were spending way too much time just closing questions that should never have been migrated here in the first place, and it's not as if any of us are paid either..." CreationDate="2015-07-14T14:58:49.450" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19066" PostId="8213" Score="0" Text="OK... please see my edit in the question and again sorry and thanks." CreationDate="2015-07-14T15:02:34.327" UserId="202702" />
  <row Id="19067" PostId="8213" Score="0" Text="@NelsonTeixeira So, by not having a direct migration, StackExchange is giving the poster the option to look at this site and to see if their question really is on-topic here, and if so asking it here, instead of it getting transferred directly. It's also still possible for a site moderator to do a direct migration if they consider it suitable, but it's not something that any user with 3k rep can do." CreationDate="2015-07-14T15:03:52.443" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19068" PostId="8213" Score="4" Text="@NelsonTeixeira I do understand that you were trying to be helpful, and I'm sorry it went wrong." CreationDate="2015-07-14T15:05:17.493" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19074" PostId="8214" Score="0" Text="You can *try* starting with [this question](http://serverfault.com/questions/579393/are-dns-records-private-information) and see if it helps, at least." CreationDate="2015-07-17T14:03:53.803" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="19071" PostId="8215" Score="2" Text="+1, in addition though the community has been receptive of more advanced abstract quesitons, I don't have any links at the moment, so I guess it didn't happen..." CreationDate="2015-07-16T15:41:11.147" UserId="154913" />
  <row Id="19069" PostId="8216" Score="2" Text="Following a system I don't understand, sometimes one of the questions tags are added to the `&lt;title&gt;` of the page. In this case, it was the `storage area networks` tag. This has something to do to prevent downranks by Google if your content get's scraped (http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/71906/first-tag-in-the-title-of-the-page-is-not-that-convenient and http://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/6556/does-the-order-of-keywords-matter-in-a-page-title). Thank god I can 100% ignore any SEO for my job ...." CreationDate="2015-07-14T15:39:11.333" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19072" PostId="8219" Score="0" Text="Hmmm  Perhaps I mis-clicked thinking that No Action was correct as it would not permit a flag.  I did think I clicked I'M done but...   Thanks for the feedback" CreationDate="2015-07-17T02:11:41.447" UserId="17607" />
  <row Id="19073" PostId="8219" Score="2" Text="Seeing that you've already flagged something is a good indicator of a review audit. Remember also that other actions such as downvoting would also have allowed you to pass the audit." CreationDate="2015-07-17T02:18:19.570" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19077" PostId="8220" Score="3" Text="At the very least, an answer you don't want gets your question back at the top of the front page to give it more visibility. You can always deal with it in the ways Sven outlines in his answer." CreationDate="2015-07-18T00:42:26.843" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="19080" PostId="8220" Score="5" Text="You shouldn't be voting (up or down) to negate someone else's vote." CreationDate="2015-07-18T16:45:03.113" UserId="19152" />
  <row Id="19076" PostId="8221" Score="8" Text="Well, I usually want to answer things about topics that interest me. If I see an interesting question (with an answer) that I could also answer, I'll be even more likely to read it, as I could learn something from the other answer I didn't know." CreationDate="2015-07-17T19:04:21.273" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19082" PostId="8221" Score="0" Text="That wasn't the question I was referring to.  I don't think the points are worthless - they're earned through spending time helping others and are able to be used to encourage help in return when a question otherwise goes unanswered especially." CreationDate="2015-07-19T15:11:56.517" UserId="101203" />
  <row Id="19090" PostId="8225" Score="0" Text="Agh I much prefer your answer to mine! :(" CreationDate="2015-07-28T12:12:56.980" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19091" PostId="8225" Score="0" Text="@Reaces: I like your last paragraph :)" CreationDate="2015-07-28T12:14:14.247" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19094" PostId="8225" Score="0" Text="Thank you. I explained to Reaces in his answer my case. And see, I got a downvote even for asking why would someone get a downvote ;). Thanks for your clarification." CreationDate="2015-07-28T12:59:08.073" UserId="301373" />
  <row Id="19092" PostId="8226" Score="0" Text="Well, you convinced me. Although I didn't know that I can't post beginner questions on this site, I though it's like stackoverflow, u can ask anything as long as it's clear. I'm not and IT administrator at all actually, I'm helping out a startup company with server issues, so I'm relying on my researches to begin. But in the last few days I knew a lot about AD DS and windows server that now this question's seems too obvious to me." CreationDate="2015-07-28T12:57:18.457" UserId="301373" />
  <row Id="19093" PostId="8226" Score="0" Text="@Saleem You can ask beginner questions, and if you word them well you'll get great answers! Just don't be suprised if they receive some down-votes. As most of the more experienced people will find them &quot;not useful&quot;. But again, does that matter if you get your answers?" CreationDate="2015-07-28T12:58:56.390" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19095" PostId="8226" Score="0" Text="Right now I say no it doesn't matter. In matter of fact, the one who answered my question was too kind that he pointed me in the right direction of how to think about dealing with servers, I guess he noticed that I'm a pure beginner at these stuff and he kindly assisted me with it." CreationDate="2015-07-28T13:02:12.743" UserId="301373" />
  <row Id="19096" PostId="8226" Score="0" Text="But still, with my experience at stackoverflow, people here at Serverfault seem to be too harsh haha, I got a downvote on this meta question too, although the support team of Serverfault said I can ask this question on meta." CreationDate="2015-07-28T13:04:49.837" UserId="301373" />
  <row Id="19097" PostId="8226" Score="6" Text="@Saleem: Down-votes on meta just signal disagreement. If you read a question and you disagree with it you down-vote it. You got two down-votes here and one up-vote so far. I personally down-voted because `I figured out how to prevent down votes on stackexchange` made me feel like you were putting way too much importance on your repuation, and shouldn't be looking to `prevent down votes`. Your rep is a result of your actions, and should not be the main goal." CreationDate="2015-07-28T13:07:30.737" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19098" PostId="8227" Score="3" Text="HBruijn for mod! Actually come to think of it, when is Hopeless going to be replaced?" CreationDate="2015-07-29T18:01:17.270" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19103" PostId="8231" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I assumed it would be something like this, but couldn't find documentation. Do you have a link? And do you think the page itself should include that link?" CreationDate="2015-08-06T05:13:14.413" UserId="302182" />
  <row Id="19104" PostId="8231" Score="2" Text="http://serverfault.com/help/editing" CreationDate="2015-08-06T06:00:36.100" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19109" PostId="8239" Score="3" Text="OMG!  Not my Internet points!" CreationDate="2015-08-12T07:09:15.927" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19110" PostId="8240" Score="1" Text="The test isn't there to see if you are adequately judging the questions. It's to see if you are `paying attention`. Even though this is probably a weird side-effect of the way ServerFault has implemented canonical questions, I'd say it's one of my favorite review audits. Less random chance of incorrect action and easy to judge for a person paying attention." CreationDate="2015-08-12T11:25:46.247" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19112" PostId="8240" Score="4" Text="The funny thing is, in the absence of a great amount of context or a banner saying they're exceptions, most canonical questions are off-topic." CreationDate="2015-08-12T20:00:55.557" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="19114" PostId="8244" Score="3" Text="Thank you, and sorry for being a pain in the rear end :)" CreationDate="2015-08-20T12:10:36.597" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19115" PostId="8245" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately there's absolutely nothing we (moderators) can do about it. Audits are selected more or less randomly. There's a full discussion in the duplicate." CreationDate="2015-08-20T23:38:50.697" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19116" PostId="8245" Score="0" Text="I should have mentioned, I read that question, as well as several others, especially [this one](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6514/should-we-game-the-audit-system?rq=1), and didn't find them helpful to my question.  I'm asking what to do with &quot;questionable&quot; answers like the one I failed the review of, not asking about how to appeal a stupid review, nor how to game the review system." CreationDate="2015-08-20T23:54:34.040" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19117" PostId="8245" Score="0" Text="This one ought to have been instantly recognizable as an audit, given the content of the comment from a moderator (who would have nuked the answer at the same time). Barring that I would have downvoted it or voted to delete it. Remember that you're _meant_ to downvote wrong answers and crap." CreationDate="2015-08-20T23:58:33.867" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19118" PostId="8245" Score="3" Text="The mod comment wasn't in the review, it only appeared after I failed it.  I also can't vote to delete answers -- there's no option for it anywhere I can find." CreationDate="2015-08-21T00:01:34.820" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19119" PostId="8246" Score="0" Text="I occasionally click through to the original page when I feel that more context would be appropriate, but I don't make a habit of it and I'm not keen to &quot;game&quot; the review system by doing it universally." CreationDate="2015-08-21T06:05:57.057" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19120" PostId="8246" Score="0" Text="I actually do this quite often as well. And often the way I treat a given answer is [very dependent on the other answers](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8243/disagree-with-a-declined-flag) (to give a recent example). However it has also given me the bad habit of then acting in the opened question, closing the window and `skip`ping the review... Which makes my review count seem lower than it is. Regardless, it's the action of reviewing that's important, not the little bar filling up, so I skip a lot." CreationDate="2015-08-21T07:00:06.580" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19122" PostId="8248" Score="5" Text="Asking &quot;where can I ask this if not here&quot; is a pet peeve of mine. *Why* should we know this? Why should we even care?" CreationDate="2015-08-21T12:09:20.550" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19123" PostId="8248" Score="0" Text="@sven I came across [this](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/90226/276684) a while back. As such I guess we should either try to come up with suggestions when it's asked on meta, or refer to meta.SE where it has been confirmed that site recommendations are  OT?" CreationDate="2015-08-21T12:41:58.273" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19124" PostId="8248" Score="2" Text="@Sven I guess this is a different community, but on SO's Meta (and on SO itself) off-topic posts are usually pointed to a more suitable SE site. I made the assumption that as this site catered for networking it'd also cater for questions about IP addresses as URLs." CreationDate="2015-08-21T13:01:10.593" UserId="239572" />
  <row Id="19125" PostId="8248" Score="7" Text="@JamesDonnelly: I don't like this recommendations. We get many questions here where people on SO point to SF without knowing the first thing about our site, and we end up with crap/OT questions. The problem is that unlike most/all other sites, our target audience is limited to professionals in the field. Also, I don't know the other SE sites good enough to make a recommendation for a question like yours (and I think it should be answered with &quot;Read a good book about the fundamentals&quot; anyway)." CreationDate="2015-08-21T13:13:17.923" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19126" PostId="8248" Score="0" Text="@Reaces: My retail experience as a teenager shows, but I really can't be bothered. As I said, one of my pet peeves ...." CreationDate="2015-08-21T13:24:46.543" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19127" PostId="8248" Score="0" Text="@Sven that's fair enough. I received a decent answer even with the negative question response, so I can't really complain." CreationDate="2015-08-21T14:21:14.037" UserId="239572" />
  <row Id="19128" PostId="8248" Score="0" Text="@JamesDonnelly It's one of the few consistencies with SF that while people might deride you for asking something that is considered outside of the scope, you still often end up with a great answer." CreationDate="2015-08-21T14:24:54.433" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19129" PostId="8248" Score="0" Text="It takes five privileged non-mod users to close a question - but only five.  Other equally privileged users may not think a question worth closing, and some may think it worth answering, and their opinions are just as valid.  I upvoted Massimo's answer, because I thought it was a good one!  To me, the fate of this question demonstrates the community in action." CreationDate="2015-08-21T14:32:10.347" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="19130" PostId="8249" Score="0" Text="So your opinion is that the review system *wants* us to identify audits and treat them differently from a legitimate review?" CreationDate="2015-08-21T21:56:15.203" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19132" PostId="8249" Score="2" Text="The purpose of the review audits is to ensure that people are reviewing carefully.  If you go to the trouble on a review to click through to the question and evaluate the post there, that's pretty much the definition of the most careful you can be.  So the fact that most audits become obvious when you click through isn't sidestepping the system, and I'm sure (though I havent' looked for them just now) there are posts on meta.SE saying it's ok." CreationDate="2015-08-21T22:16:09.033" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="19134" PostId="8249" Score="0" Text="What @Ward said. My understanding is that they're in place because some folks used to farm for badges by clicking the same thing over and over again. But it's not a perfect system, because sometimes an answer that might have something about it that might make you want to comment might have a high rep, or a marginal question might have been soundly panned." CreationDate="2015-08-22T03:31:01.353" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="19136" PostId="8251" Score="0" Text="For the better still: I _can't_ turn questions into comments with an edit. And I wasn't 100℅ sure if the comment was valid." CreationDate="2015-08-23T08:53:24.317" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19137" PostId="8251" Score="0" Text="No, but you can read what I said :) You _can_ edit the text/meaning of the comment into the relevant answer and then flag the comment for deletion explaining why ..." CreationDate="2015-08-23T15:03:52.980" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19138" PostId="8251" Score="0" Text="I did read that part. That's why I added the part about not being sure if the comment was valid :P" CreationDate="2015-08-23T15:07:37.180" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19139" PostId="8252" Score="2" Text="I wrote this a while ago it's still relevant http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5316/when-is-an-answer-not-an-answer. I also like that both the mods agree with my answer   :)" CreationDate="2015-08-24T11:52:12.940" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19140" PostId="8253" Score="3" Text="The answer is &quot;use winrm&quot;, and then there's a link to more information.  If the link hadn't been provided, the answer would still have had value.  Not *much* value, sure, but enough to be worth keeping as an answer." CreationDate="2015-08-24T23:34:06.723" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19192" PostId="8257" Score="0" Text="It says that there are three moderator positions to be filled. Which three seats are being contested? Are we increasing the number of moderators from 5 to 8? Are some of the current moderators stepping down? If so, which ones?" CreationDate="2015-08-31T20:15:42.490" UserId="15051" />
  <row Id="19156" PostId="8258" Score="10" Text="There really is no point in this charade. No one who needs to ever reads anything. The hordes of voters streaming in from SO to get a shiny badge won't read this they will simply look at the candidates REP, vote accordingly and move on." CreationDate="2015-08-27T06:10:54.327" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19168" PostId="8258" Score="2" Text="It always has been an optional process, so if it's desired we could simply terminate the Q&amp;A process. I don't see the point in extra busywork for the candidates if it's not even going to be read by the ones who would read it in normal circumstances." CreationDate="2015-08-27T15:03:05.137" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="19171" PostId="8258" Score="2" Text="Oh, I think it's worth while, just so candidates who think, &quot;I'm going to IP block Asia!&quot; is a *great* platform will go ahead and say that before voting starts.  That's always handy information to have." CreationDate="2015-08-28T02:29:06.253" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="19172" PostId="8258" Score="4" Text="Hmm... hadn't considered that as a moderation policy.  Might go edit my nomination speech..." CreationDate="2015-08-28T03:00:00.533" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19177" PostId="8258" Score="3" Text="If nothing else, it might mean that if StackExchange staff find a user's platform unacceptable they could say so in advance, instead of firing them after the fact..." CreationDate="2015-08-28T08:46:08.887" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19182" PostId="8258" Score="2" Text="@JennyD unfortunately I tried that argument on Shog9 during a recent debacle, and was told that the election position didn't count as a clear statement to the community (or, more precisely, the community's votes for a particular moderator didn't constitute a community endorsement of his/her platform in the same way that upvotes on a proposal in meta did." CreationDate="2015-08-29T06:01:14.640" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="19184" PostId="8258" Score="2" Text="See http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/22861?m=21106876#21106876 and the three entries that follow, if you're curious." CreationDate="2015-08-29T06:12:56.470" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="19185" PostId="8258" Score="1" Text="@MadHatter That discussion seems to be about how SE regards the community. I was aiming more at the fact that if Shog and the rest of SE saw Noob's platform as ultimately unacceptable and counterproductive, they could have stopped his election in advance, instead of allowing it to go forward and then kicking him out when he did what he'd said he would." CreationDate="2015-08-29T07:06:49.567" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19186" PostId="8258" Score="2" Text="@JennyD yes, that might well have been better.  My point was that as SE say that moderator election platforms don't constitute a community endorsement, what need have they to pre-vet them?  Simpler **for them**, surely, to parachute in after the event and unilaterally remove a lawfully-elected moderator." CreationDate="2015-08-29T07:40:41.677" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="19190" PostId="8258" Score="0" Text="Since there has been a more positive reception, as well as an influx of yet more community questions, we will indeed be going through with hosting the Q&amp;A as normal. Well, normal minus the bonus stock questions." CreationDate="2015-08-31T11:54:01.100" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="19141" PostId="8260" Score="0" Text="The rhetoric subquestion isn't clear. Please consider re-writing it." CreationDate="2015-08-25T14:35:12.160" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="19142" PostId="8260" Score="5" Text="@DeerHunter I thought the quoted slogan was enough to exemplify the rhetoric that was used last year. I'll think about how to rewrite the question, if you have a suggestion feel free!" CreationDate="2015-08-25T14:37:20.037" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19143" PostId="8260" Score="8" Text="The elephant you dragged in is completely relevant. The interests of the management team and board of directors of Stack Exchange are the bottom line, and any moderator who wishes to be elected is only doing their (unpaid, volunteer) work at the pleasure of the overlords." CreationDate="2015-08-25T16:44:30.857" UserId="74406" />
  <row Id="19144" PostId="8260" Score="2" Text="*I don't know why anyone would want to be a moderator, now.* - I know I'm not even the slightest little bit interested now despite having stood in the past." CreationDate="2015-08-26T13:14:32.510" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="19145" PostId="8260" Score="3" Text="@Hyppy: I don't know if this makes it better or worse, but the decision to remove a moderator elected last year was made entirely by the [Community Team](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/99341/1438) and had nothing at all to do with &quot;the bottom line&quot;. It was a difficult decision to make because we really do value democratically elected moderators. (Not many sites and none of our scale allow users to become elected moderators.) A big part of our decision was that the moderator acted on their own and did not communicate with the community. We remove elected moderators rarely and reluctantly." CreationDate="2015-08-26T13:56:05.923" UserId="1126" />
  <row Id="19146" PostId="8260" Score="0" Text="@JonEricson I would like to remind the community team about [Katherine's remarks about](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6751/2014-community-moderator-election-results#comment14425_6752) post election comments last year. It caused some [reactions](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/8067/218888) in the ensuing back and forth that further divided SO from some of the SF regulars, that was unfortunate to see." CreationDate="2015-08-26T14:58:07.837" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19147" PostId="8260" Score="10" Text="Hey @Jon, I'd like to invite you to review _your_ interactions with this community `..`. Yeah, you only ever turn up when there is drama and add petrol to it." CreationDate="2015-08-26T15:26:11.093" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19148" PostId="8260" Score="0" Text="@Iain: I can't tell if you are using &quot;you&quot; in the singular (in which case, fair, but tangential point) or in the plural. Either way, I think there's plenty of blame to be assigned to our team. The point of the above comment was to help people understand our motivations a bit better. We don't always make the best (or even particularly good) decisions. But believe it or not, the people who are listed on the answer I linked to really care about guiding communities to be as productive as possible." CreationDate="2015-08-26T15:51:18.123" UserId="1126" />
  <row Id="19149" PostId="8260" Score="7" Text="@JonEricson I believe that's one of the contentions at play: _&quot;the moderator acted on their own and did not communicate with the community.&quot;_ That is an inaccurate statement on at least two different points. But, I suppose it's stagnant water under the bridge, since that inaccuracy was largely passed over during the heat of the debacle. ツ" CreationDate="2015-08-26T18:12:58.743" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="19151" PostId="8260" Score="1" Text="@JonEricson It was directed at you in particular but you're right there are [a number of employees who only turn up when there is a bit of a flap on fan the flames or wail about how how bad things are, promise to do more then fade into the background](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6701/server-fault-needs-professional-quality-questions-not-just-questions-from-profe/6703#comment14147_6703) until the next flap." CreationDate="2015-08-26T18:58:33.003" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19152" PostId="8260" Score="8" Text="*A big part of our decision was that the moderator acted on their own and did not communicate with the community.* - Hey @JonEricson you misspelled &quot;A moderator communicated with the community but for some reason we over-looked that and fired him unilaterally and no-one explained that properly to the community because SO staff don't give a flying f*ck at a rolling donut about the SF community and only ever show up to cause drama.&quot; -- you're welcome." CreationDate="2015-08-26T19:26:13.683" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="19153" PostId="8260" Score="0" Text="Feel free to use the [election chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/27357/2015-server-fault-moderator-election). I've stepped in over there and am available to be corrected there." CreationDate="2015-08-26T19:30:41.640" UserId="1126" />
  <row Id="19154" PostId="8260" Score="8" Text="If multiple, long-drawn-out threads of discussion complete with linked evidence, wasn't enough to quell the Community Team's decision making tide, I doubt an impromptu live chat during work hours would do much more than waste billable hours. The proverbial &quot;Let's do lunch&quot; after a kangaroo court. I think it's best left alone at this time since I suspect nothing will change in the favor of the Server Fault community." CreationDate="2015-08-26T19:52:36.100" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="19155" PostId="8260" Score="7" Text="I repeatedly asked for clarification on [this comment](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8055/what-should-server-fault-do-with-questions-about-web-hosting-control-panels/8066?noredirect=1#comment17465_8066) and never got it. I have very little confidence in the role of super moderators. I'm not going to further speculate why the accusation of lying was never touched on in the post mortem or comments, other than to say that I'd certainly never put myself in a position to be judged in this fashion." CreationDate="2015-08-26T23:27:45.850" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="19179" PostId="8260" Score="1" Text="I'm probably going to try and split this question into multiple chunks for the Q&amp;A. Not entirely sure how I'll split it yet, so I'll be thinking on it over the weekend." CreationDate="2015-08-28T15:39:49.737" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="19188" PostId="8260" Score="2" Text="@GraceNote I edited the questions a bit, putting the two about how the last election platform went together, and the one about how the aftermath went seperately." CreationDate="2015-08-30T06:59:26.500" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19157" PostId="8263" Score="2" Text="Alright so it's not that it's not for a busines but that it's software and therefor off topic?" CreationDate="2015-08-27T11:53:45.213" UserId="307107" />
  <row Id="19158" PostId="8263" Score="2" Text="Yes, it's a dev question, not a system admin question." CreationDate="2015-08-27T12:03:38.197" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19164" PostId="8265" Score="0" Text="If you are a mod on another SE site, you should know that the only thing we can do about this is to unilaterally delete/convert the question - we don't have a feature to inject a question into any review queue or make the community aware of the question to act upon it. So, you didn't the only thing you know we can do to happen and now wonder about it? (Not my declines, BTW)." CreationDate="2015-08-27T13:25:36.283" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19165" PostId="8265" Score="1" Text="@Sven It is my understanding from before (though I can't quickly find a MSE post to confirm this) that NAA flags, even from a diamond moderator, pushes an answer into the review queues." CreationDate="2015-08-27T13:49:15.177" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="19166" PostId="8265" Score="0" Text="Never heard of that, but even if it is the case: We don't leave flags open for days so it might run it's course through a review queue. In most cases, I either accept or deny a flag if I see it. Everything else is too complicated." CreationDate="2015-08-27T13:52:46.083" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19297" PostId="8265" Score="0" Text="FWIW on the site where I'm a mod, these would have been slam-dunk valid flags and the answers would have been deleted. Just goes to show how much standard practices vary from one site to the next." CreationDate="2015-09-09T14:23:53.933" UserId="2115" />
  <row Id="19159" PostId="8266" Score="0" Text="Good point about #2, I suppose. As for #1, I didn't exactly go out of my way looking at old content; as I recall, I came across that question because it was linked in the sidebar from another question and looked interesting at the time." CreationDate="2015-08-27T12:34:57.543" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="19160" PostId="8266" Score="0" Text="@MichaelKjörling My point 1 was more about the first answer having an actual explanation, but there is only so much you can answer to a question asking for documentation links. I also added a bit more info as I pressed enter to fast :)" CreationDate="2015-08-27T12:35:55.997" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19161" PostId="8267" Score="0" Text="There used to be [flag weight](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/119715/what-happened-to-flag-weight). But now the worst that could happen is that you annoy our poor mods." CreationDate="2015-08-27T12:56:04.617" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19162" PostId="8267" Score="0" Text="Annoying the mods is of course a HUGE black mark :)" CreationDate="2015-08-27T12:58:52.540" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="19163" PostId="8267" Score="5" Text="With the average life shelf of our mods... I wouldn't worry too much! &lt;/horrible humor&gt;" CreationDate="2015-08-27T13:01:04.803" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19170" PostId="8267" Score="1" Text="Actually, getting too many flags declined gets your flagging rights revoked temporarily." CreationDate="2015-08-27T20:45:00.570" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19318" PostId="8267" Score="0" Text="@womble, I've just found this out myself. I had been searching through the Help Center for details and a quick search on Meta.SF for posts about this yielded nothing obvious. Thankfully I read this the whole way through and found your comment. Do you have any extra details on how that works: how many declined flags result in a temporary revocation of that right and for how long?" CreationDate="2015-09-15T13:53:41.813" UserId="266218" />
  <row Id="19323" PostId="8267" Score="0" Text="@GregL no, I don't have any specific, authoritative numbers.  In general, StackExchange doesn't provide specific numeric details about bans, to prevent people from gaming the numbers, so it wouldn't surprise me if the temp-ban declined flag count isn't publically available at all." CreationDate="2015-09-15T20:38:42.290" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19327" PostId="8267" Score="0" Text="@womble, fair enough re: number to prevent gaming, but it's odd that they don't mention anywhere that there's even a temp-ban system. Thanks for clearing it up for me though, showing once again that your shinny new diamond is well deserved!" CreationDate="2015-09-15T23:52:04.327" UserId="266218" />
  <row Id="19328" PostId="8267" Score="0" Text="Awww, shucks..." CreationDate="2015-09-15T23:52:43.473" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19167" PostId="8270" Score="1" Text="You can flag VLQ on an answer, but only if it has not been upvoted." CreationDate="2015-08-27T14:31:10.067" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19169" PostId="8270" Score="0" Text="Ah, I almost never flag anything except SPAM/Offensive these days. There's nearly always something else I can do." CreationDate="2015-08-27T16:33:50.897" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19187" PostId="8270" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton If it has received a single upvote, it is possible to downvote it - and then flag it as very low quality." CreationDate="2015-08-29T17:18:33.050" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="19178" PostId="8271" Score="2" Text="Fair enough. And also just for completeness, I am not arguing; I simply want to understand the rationale behind the decision taken, since that will help avoid me taking up peoples' time the wrong way in the future." CreationDate="2015-08-28T12:29:17.397" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="19176" PostId="8272" Score="2" Text="I like the question &quot;what are professional quality questions to you?&quot;. +1" CreationDate="2015-08-28T07:43:58.433" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19183" PostId="8273" Score="3" Text="@FreeBooze for moderator!  Hic!" CreationDate="2015-08-29T06:02:21.400" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="19189" PostId="8273" Score="3" Text="Upvoted for the second question - that appears to be the one where the &quot;oldtimers&quot; have a radically different view from the general public and the SE employees." CreationDate="2015-08-30T13:58:43.583" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19191" PostId="8276" Score="1" Text="You really should stand in this election." CreationDate="2015-08-31T17:58:31.537" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19260" PostId="8280" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [2014 Moderator Election Q&amp;A - Questionnaire](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6727/2014-moderator-election-qa-questionnaire) - at least for the canned questions and the returning candidates ;)" CreationDate="2015-09-04T22:25:06.147" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="19261" PostId="8280" Score="4" Text="It's telling only four candidates answered. The others, I'm afraid, don't give a flying d*mn about the election. It's sad we have only 4 real candidates for 3 moderator positions." CreationDate="2015-09-05T08:00:09.393" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="19263" PostId="8280" Score="3" Text="Better than only having 2 real candidates for 3 moderator positions..." CreationDate="2015-09-06T03:53:10.877" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19288" PostId="8280" Score="0" Text="Coincidentally (or not), the three [tag:doomed] candidates all provided responses." CreationDate="2015-09-08T20:40:47.643" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19194" PostId="8281" Score="0" Text="I couldn't agree with you more on your answer/viewpoint on question 2.  Thanks for saying what I think a lot of people feel; or felt in regard to last year's election." CreationDate="2015-09-01T19:59:31.567" UserId="217042" />
  <row Id="19202" PostId="8283" Score="1" Text="Can you hear the *crickets*?" CreationDate="2015-09-02T15:54:08.497" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19203" PostId="8283" Score="3" Text="@eeaa I'm afraid not. The silence is too loud." CreationDate="2015-09-02T15:55:13.317" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19213" PostId="8283" Score="2" Text="To be fair some of the data can't be provided yet." CreationDate="2015-09-02T20:55:55.577" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19214" PostId="8283" Score="1" Text="@Iain which is fair, and is a better answer than nothing. :)" CreationDate="2015-09-02T20:58:07.780" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19317" PostId="8283" Score="0" Text="19 upvotes is hardly silence." CreationDate="2015-09-13T14:22:07.037" UserId="205542" />
  <row Id="19348" PostId="8283" Score="0" Text="@chicks Fair enough!" CreationDate="2015-09-17T06:11:56.923" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19422" PostId="8283" Score="0" Text="Any progress on this? I still want to see if the Iain Principle holds." CreationDate="2015-09-24T22:19:05.120" UserDisplayName="user62491" />
  <row Id="19425" PostId="8283" Score="0" Text="@kce Nothing as of yet. Maybe if there is no response by next week I'll spend a few hours digging through data.se and see what I can find out from there." CreationDate="2015-09-25T08:20:40.550" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19597" PostId="8283" Score="2" Text="As I know, the primary correlation for the winners of an election is the reputation. Most people are voting for the candidates with high reputation." CreationDate="2015-10-01T14:20:38.920" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19598" PostId="8283" Score="0" Text="@peterh I also think so, but I would like proof." CreationDate="2015-10-01T14:35:27.180" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19599" PostId="8283" Score="0" Text="@Reaces I think statistics could be relatively easily constructed from the previous elections. For example, if we would compare the logarithmic mean of the reputation of the winners to all candidates. (Ok, it would only show, that there is a correlation, but not that it is the most important.)" CreationDate="2015-10-01T14:37:48.323" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19600" PostId="8283" Score="0" Text="@peterh I would mostly like to know the correlation between the voters' reputation compared to the reputation of the person voted on. The main issue is though that from my end it would be very hard to get reliable statistics and get a full picture. While with the full database it would probably be a lot easier. I also assume that that some of these statistics are already known, and trivial to provide. Maybe if there is no response I'll do it myself, but as for now I'm content with waiting. Feel free to gather the stats on it though if you're inclined." CreationDate="2015-10-01T14:41:56.870" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19195" PostId="8286" Score="5" Text="`Coming to meta for a single DV is a huge waste of everyone's time.` +1, I was all ready to formulate an opinion on why the question was being received poorly and if it was valid before reading this... I wasted time!" CreationDate="2015-09-02T07:37:26.673" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19197" PostId="8286" Score="0" Text="@lain - I'm still figuring out how SF works differently from SU or SO. Each SE site with their flavors. So, I asked as this seemed like a key &amp; pertinent thing &quot;right now&quot; given how MS is shoving telemetry down everyones throats." CreationDate="2015-09-02T12:53:08.913" UserId="152268" />
  <row Id="19199" PostId="8286" Score="0" Text="SF works in exactly the same was as all SE sites. That your SF question has no answer in &gt; 24 hours indicates that noone knows and or cares right now.  Your mSF question read like you're being whiney about a DV." CreationDate="2015-09-02T13:18:49.417" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19215" PostId="8286" Score="0" Text="@Reaces - I dont know protocol for coming to Meta. I dont intend to waste peoples time. I just cleaned up the question.. Why does it have 4 negatives now? I am just trying to improve / refine and do right with a valid issue that lots of people are facing thanks to Microsoft" CreationDate="2015-09-02T21:22:38.030" UserId="152268" />
  <row Id="19196" PostId="8287" Score="0" Text="It is an SBS Server &amp; Doman in a critical business environment.How about I clean it up? Will that help or should delete and repost fresh?" CreationDate="2015-09-02T12:51:11.120" UserId="152268" />
  <row Id="19198" PostId="8287" Score="5" Text="@AlexS: Never, ever repost the same question because the first variant collected downvotes." CreationDate="2015-09-02T13:14:04.663" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19200" PostId="8287" Score="0" Text="@Sven - Just cleaned it up. Is it better? Pleas do let me know." CreationDate="2015-09-02T13:21:59.360" UserId="152268" />
  <row Id="19201" PostId="8287" Score="4" Text="@AlexS Personally I think your question is vastly less useful by all the extra information about the user-tracking updates. You want to stop specific windows updates `full stop`. That's your question. It's a basic question that should be easily dealt with by installing `WSUS` and setting those updates on `NotApproved`. Everything else is just bloat that's detracting from the question and causing more votes than you'd normally see." CreationDate="2015-09-02T14:11:09.200" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19218" PostId="8287" Score="1" Text="@AlexS, your question's a lot better now; I agree with Reaces that you've still got a lot of largely irrelevant information, and it's still hard to know what exactly you've tried, and thus what your exact question actually *is*.  I'd lose the &quot;news&quot;, summarise what you've done (with inline references to source material), and go for a plain text (no bolding), prose, &quot;bottom-line up front&quot; question as the first paragraph of your question, so people know exactly what you're asking, and *then* go into the background details." CreationDate="2015-09-02T23:16:30.477" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19220" PostId="8287" Score="0" Text="@womble - I just deleted all the things I had tried from that question - I am wondering if you can go review the history. Most of it was steps / activities pieced together from the SF links I posted. I know its part of those SF answers, just not sure how to combine them. If you look at each, and tell me how to apply those &quot;things&quot; at the &quot;right place&quot; I'll be good to go." CreationDate="2015-09-03T07:02:35.470" UserId="152268" />
  <row Id="19228" PostId="8288" Score="0" Text="Ironically, there are now 21 up votes on this page, and almost a dozen comments and I still only have 1 reputation point.  :/ Lol." CreationDate="2015-09-03T13:51:35.713" UserId="307614" />
  <row Id="19230" PostId="8288" Score="4" Text="I don't see any irony. You still have a lot to learn about Stack Exchange (SE). With the exception of meta.stackexchange.com (mSE) you don't gain/lose reputation for votes on meta sites. The reputation you have here on mSF is the same as you have on SF.  On SF you have no content that can be voted on and you have no edits that can be approved ergo you still have 1 Rep." CreationDate="2015-09-03T14:09:36.957" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19233" PostId="8288" Score="0" Text="What is the information you wish to contribute? I will make the comment for you." CreationDate="2015-09-03T14:28:15.340" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19235" PostId="8288" Score="0" Text="Ohh, thanks.  The original edit I made (which was appropriately rejected) was: [EDIT] I am having exactly the same issue. I feel like it might have happened sporadically when I was still on 8.1, but it now reliably happens every single morning when I first connect. Each subsequent connection works great, but the next morning (after a night of inactivity) the problem recurs." CreationDate="2015-09-03T14:33:45.397" UserId="307614" />
  <row Id="19236" PostId="8288" Score="0" Text="I have verified that it happens when connecting from the beta Microsoft Mac RDP client, the native Mac RDP client, the windows 8.1 &amp; 10 MSTSC clients. The range of clients seems to indicate that the problem is on the server side, imho.&#xA;&#xA;If I try to connect during the initial delay (from another client) I get a message that the MSTSC service is currently busy, and it asks me to try again in a few minutes. Then, as with OP - subsequent connections are all accepted normally." CreationDate="2015-09-03T14:34:06.063" UserId="307614" />
  <row Id="19242" PostId="8288" Score="5" Text="Perhaps it'd help to understand that encouraging people to &quot;participate&quot; in some abstract general sense is not a goal.  Instead, the site wants to encourage people to contribute to its purpose -- which is asking high-quality questions and providing high-quality answers.  You discovered that the site makes it hard for a new user to &quot;participate&quot; in ways that don't contribute to the site's purpose.  That's by design.  It might sound harsh, but we've found that this structure helps keep quality high." CreationDate="2015-09-03T19:01:48.787" UserId="111679" />
  <row Id="19204" PostId="8289" Score="1" Text="Thanks reaces.   The original post remains unanswered, but my question is essentially identical to his. Am I understanding you correctly that your recommendation is that I post a duplicate question, link back to the original,  and then add my comments to my copy of the duplicate? This seems to violate the &quot;search for existing questions first rule&quot; which gets its own page before posting a question, but I'll give it a try.   Thanks." CreationDate="2015-09-02T18:46:14.900" UserId="307614" />
  <row Id="19206" PostId="8289" Score="0" Text="@eejai42 Only if the answers in the existing question do not apply to you." CreationDate="2015-09-02T18:53:03.297" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19207" PostId="8289" Score="0" Text="Or If there are no answers?" CreationDate="2015-09-02T18:59:22.397" UserId="307614" />
  <row Id="19208" PostId="8289" Score="0" Text="@eejai42 In that case I would think the best course of action is putting a bounty on it (if the question is exactly like yours) but seeing as you have no rep, perhaps create a new question and reference the old one. I'm not sure everyone would share that opinion though." CreationDate="2015-09-02T19:02:13.123" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19209" PostId="8289" Score="0" Text="Thanks @reaces, this is exactly what I'm trying to figure out.   Seems like my question would immediately get flagged as duplicates and removed. Appropriately arguably. This is where my confusion stems from." CreationDate="2015-09-02T19:04:03.697" UserId="307614" />
  <row Id="19210" PostId="8289" Score="1" Text="@eejai42 Duplicates don't get removed. They get closed and a permanent link to the original is put up. However if it was put up in the queue I'm sure a lot of people would hesitate voting to close your question if the original has no answers. It wouldn't be useful." CreationDate="2015-09-02T19:05:12.683" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19211" PostId="8289" Score="0" Text="Alright,  I'll give it a try.   Thanks." CreationDate="2015-09-02T19:06:08.993" UserId="307614" />
  <row Id="19216" PostId="8289" Score="0" Text="@eejai42 Teh current version of closed-&gt;duplicate asks the OP if the alleged duplicate helps.If yes then you get to close it. If no then you are requested to edit your question saying why it's not a duplicate. If you already know that there is a potential duplicate you show say so, link to it and say why it doesn't help you." CreationDate="2015-09-02T21:27:37.127" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19217" PostId="8289" Score="0" Text="Thanks @lain. It would totally be a duplicate. The original post would help (if someone answered it). I really just want to comment on the original question, but Server fault won't let me participate in the original question because I don't have 20 reputation yet. But I don't have an answer, I have additional infirmation. Trying to figure out how to best contibute my information." CreationDate="2015-09-02T22:52:07.500" UserId="307614" />
  <row Id="19221" PostId="8289" Score="0" Text="@eejai42 I just got a bit irritated reading this thread, and some other threads around here about duplicates (while trying to find a canonical answer to what a duplicate is). So I created [a post](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/8294/218888) to explain it. Hopefully it's somewhat coherent, allthough it will probably get downvoted into oblivion and closed as a duplicate." CreationDate="2015-09-03T07:21:27.053" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19229" PostId="8289" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the other post @reaces, but I can't participate in that question :) (meta requires 50 XP to comment).  In fact, this appears to be the only question I can comment on. I guess I can comment here because I asked the question.  Stack overflow sites are awesome.  Well designed, with amazing content (in no small part because of these policies), but... Commenting seems like a strange thing to restrict for new community members like myself, when that seems like a great (lightweight) way to participate, while allowing everyone to evaluate what kind of community member I would be. My $.02 :)" CreationDate="2015-09-03T14:03:33.437" UserId="307614" />
  <row Id="19231" PostId="8289" Score="0" Text="@eejai42 Imagine the trouble we'd have from spammers if anyone could comment. If someone makes a change to a question or an answer or posts a new question or answer it is passed to the site front page for community oversight. This catches spam etc quite quickly.  Making a comment doesn't cause the content to which it is attached to be passed on for oversight so allowing anyone also allows bots and the site could easily be flooded." CreationDate="2015-09-03T14:20:59.597" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19234" PostId="8289" Score="2" Text="Thank you @lain, *that* makes a lot of sense.  Thanks, I think that really answers my primary confusion about why I could Edit the question, but not comment.  Okay, perfect.  Thanks.  And I guess for now I'll just ask my question separately with a link back to the OP.  I really appreciate the thorough discussion." CreationDate="2015-09-03T14:29:00.267" UserId="307614" />
  <row Id="19245" PostId="8289" Score="2" Text="Your idea that comments &quot;allow everyone to evaluate what kind of community member I would be&quot; seems to suggest that you're under the impression that SE sites are some sort of social club.  They're not, they're Question and Answer sites.  We don't &quot;evaluate potential members&quot;, and rep is obtained by votes which (in general) only evaluate the question/answer being voted on, not on the good character of the person posting them." CreationDate="2015-09-03T21:18:59.620" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19205" PostId="8290" Score="0" Text="Is it expected that I first find some questions to answer before asking a new one?" CreationDate="2015-09-02T18:47:18.603" UserId="307614" />
  <row Id="19212" PostId="8290" Score="3" Text="No, (unfortunately) not at all." CreationDate="2015-09-02T19:42:23.397" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19227" PostId="8291" Score="0" Text="Sorry @womble, I wasn't intending to be cryptic or anything, just wasn't sure what it would add, but... The original question was http://serverfault.com/questions/716011/slow-initial-rdp-connection-to-windows-10.  He tried some things.  I have tried 3/4 more things.  They totally feel like they should just be comments on his question.  The **only** reason I would make it another question is because server fault won't allow me to comment yet..." CreationDate="2015-09-03T13:48:57.900" UserId="307614" />
  <row Id="19244" PostId="8291" Score="1" Text="Well, we encourage lots of (good) questions, we don't encourage lots of comments (for the sorts of reasons that Iain mentioned in the comment on his answer).  So from that perspective, not allowing you to comment is the system Working As Designed." CreationDate="2015-09-03T21:16:56.640" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19222" PostId="8295" Score="0" Text="I thought it was _simples_ as well. However the response we get when talking about duplicates makes it clear that for most people it is not simple at all. Love the answer though." CreationDate="2015-09-03T07:58:35.077" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19223" PostId="8295" Score="0" Text="The problem with the 'recent' question was that the OP didn't show us what they were talking about." CreationDate="2015-09-03T08:00:55.583" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19224" PostId="8295" Score="0" Text="True, but that's not my focus here. After several confusing statements about duplicates there I spent some time looking for a decent explanation as to what a duplicate is on meta, to link to him. But I couldn't really find one, only other people confused about why their questions were closed as duplicates." CreationDate="2015-09-03T08:02:24.897" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19225" PostId="8295" Score="0" Text="Your first reference from 2011 pre-dates the switch from 'Duplicate' to 'Already answered' it's probably no longer relevant because of that." CreationDate="2015-09-03T08:28:51.340" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19226" PostId="8297" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure if I want to touch or judge some of these questions... But perhaps it would be helpful to have those [the tags are aimed at](http://serverfault.com/users/281482/kamran) involved? It looks like there is very little usage of the tags here so far though. The main usage of google tags seems to be on stackoverflow." CreationDate="2015-09-03T13:46:35.470" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19232" PostId="8297" Score="3" Text="I think we should welcome their comments. There are few questions now (although there are quite a lot that have been closed and deleted) but we've had a couple of spats already where the OP states that Google tells them to come here and the community says no that very definitely isn't our bailiwick. There is clearly a gap, having something we (or they) can point at can only be a good thing as more people get driven in this direction." CreationDate="2015-09-03T14:24:57.890" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19243" PostId="8297" Score="0" Text="Such a question should be closed, but that particular close reason isn't relevant to the situation, and will be confusing at best." CreationDate="2015-09-03T20:08:56.273" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19240" PostId="8298" Score="0" Text="I haven't seen many questions from AWS or Rackspace users that were in effect 'I clicked a button and it didn't work HALP!'. So for me there is a line. One side there is a technical question that can possibly be answered by the community. The other is a call to the hosting provider. Similarly billing questions cost of usage questions etc for me call Google." CreationDate="2015-09-03T16:03:01.723" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19237" PostId="8299" Score="3" Text="Jim, there is a **huge** difference between something like cPanel and something like Iain is asking about. One is a replacement for real sysadmin tools that violates all sane principles of sysadmin. The other is the de-facto way to create infrastructure in the cloud. Whether we like it or not, Cloud providers are not getting any smaller and as such, their role in the sysadmin world will increase and along with it, our need to at least be somewhat accepting of questions that involve building infrastructure using their tools." CreationDate="2015-09-03T15:26:03.477" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19238" PostId="8299" Score="1" Text="agreed but I don't think we are ready for that distinction just yet, and I've added another reason as well.  I'd even argue that AWS control panels are OT.  Scripts to do the same task however would be on topic.  the policy is such that even mentioning a control panel in your question is OT and I agree that it's much simpler to simply close rather than parse for exceptions." CreationDate="2015-09-03T15:44:59.197" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19239" PostId="8299" Score="0" Text="@EEAA At the level that I'm asking I don't think there is any distinction at all. Clicking a button and not having it do what you expected isn't being a sysadmin it's driving a web app/control panel." CreationDate="2015-09-03T15:59:42.203" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19241" PostId="8299" Score="1" Text="The discussion on control panels was to ban *hosting* control panels. I.e. those that take a server and enable it to become multi-tenant, with an emphasis on taking complex services and dumbing them down. So it's not a matter of making an exception. Allowing AWS and Google hosting platform questions isn't the same at all. (Having said that, I think control panels at large should be banned, not just those focused on hosting. Webmin must die.)" CreationDate="2015-09-03T18:17:57.587" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="19264" PostId="8300" Score="1" Text="Do you mean for OT to stand for *on* topic or *off* topic?  I assume *off* topic, but that ambiguity makes your answer hard to follow." CreationDate="2015-09-06T16:12:12.357" UserId="115232" />
  <row Id="19265" PostId="8300" Score="0" Text="@alx9r I updated the wording a bit. Hopefully it's easier to read." CreationDate="2015-09-06T16:47:37.180" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19246" PostId="8301" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure if the finances of the site should be of any concern to us. We're it's customer base, not its employees. The main issue here as I see it is the difference between control panels and cloud hosting panels." CreationDate="2015-09-04T06:06:00.797" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19247" PostId="8301" Score="0" Text="We're also, presumably, interested in the continued existence of SF.  While the major factor in SF's continued existence is a healthy community etc etc, if SE doesn't have money then SF ceases to exist (in its current form at least).  I agree with you that the *main* issue is panels in their various forms, but Iain specifically asked about the sponsored tags, not just &quot;poor-quality questions from GCE users&quot;, so I thought I'd address that aspect of the question." CreationDate="2015-09-04T06:21:59.950" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19248" PostId="8301" Score="2" Text="There have already been at least 2 'discussions' where Google users have come here because Google 'told. them too. Their question was clearly not about system administration but was about some aspect of the web app not working as expected." CreationDate="2015-09-04T07:09:52.057" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19249" PostId="8301" Score="1" Text="I'm just not quite sure what we _can_ discuss about the financial aspect of SE. We don't know well enough the deal behind the sponsored links, the actual income / financial health of SE. AFAIK the only `sponsored` part is that google refers to SF on their support page, and everything else is unknown. And talking about SE going out of business because we're being rude to google customers? Really? That's such a massive leap." CreationDate="2015-09-04T07:38:20.423" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19250" PostId="8301" Score="0" Text="@Reaces: Well, we shouldn't be any *less* rude to Google customers, because we shouldn't be rude to anyone. &lt;grin&gt; The &quot;sponsored&quot; part isn't that Google is telling people to come here -- it's that someone (presumably Google) is paying SE for putting the logo on the tag." CreationDate="2015-09-04T09:17:39.470" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19251" PostId="8301" Score="1" Text="@Iain: We shouldn't deal with questions any differently because Google told the questioner to come here -- we say &quot;this is off-topic&quot; and close the question, and when they say &quot;but Google said to come here!&quot; we reply &quot;I'm sorry that Google gave you incorrect advice&quot; and we're done.  If they want to keep on about it and be disruptive, they get banned until they cool off." CreationDate="2015-09-04T09:18:15.963" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19252" PostId="8301" Score="0" Text="@womble I wasn't saying they don't pay. I meant to say that anything related to payment is an unknown factor for us, and frankly not a necessary topic of discussion when talking about the topicality of questions. Separation of church and state, only in this case separation of financial and utility." CreationDate="2015-09-04T09:22:02.353" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19253" PostId="8301" Score="0" Text="I'm assuming we're the church here? Our Lady of the Blessed Close Vote. &lt;grin&gt; I agree that it would be better if we didn't care, but the only thing &quot;special&quot; about sponsored tags is that they're paid for, so I can only assume that that is what Iain was referring to when he included it in his question." CreationDate="2015-09-04T09:24:49.487" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19254" PostId="8301" Score="0" Text="@womble The other special thing is that google directs people here while also advertising the tags in the process. In other words there is a specific origin for a lot of the users of these questions. And of course the subject mater being so closely related / easily compared to a hated subject, control panels." CreationDate="2015-09-04T09:26:04.860" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19255" PostId="8301" Score="0" Text="Yes, but that's orthogonal to the sponsorship of the tags.  If Google told people to come here and *weren't* sponsoring the tags, we'd still have the same set of questions coming and we'd still have to deal with them, and we'd still get people saying &quot;but Google told me to come here!&quot;." CreationDate="2015-09-04T09:27:58.660" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19256" PostId="8301" Score="0" Text="So what you're saying is we could remove everything about how google pays for the tags from the question and nothing would change. So talking about how google pays for the tags is not relevant? I win! Hooray!" CreationDate="2015-09-04T09:32:04.883" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19257" PostId="8301" Score="0" Text="Heeeey... declaring yourself the winner is cheating!" CreationDate="2015-09-04T09:33:12.930" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19259" PostId="8302" Score="1" Text="Actually this kind duplicate tags has been compiled in this thread: [Cleanup duplicate tags: different by hyphenation and pluralization](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/7937/cleanup-duplicate-tags-different-by-hyphenation-and-pluralization). Half of the [original list](http://meta.serverfault.com/revisions/7938/1) has been handled by our ex-mod HN." CreationDate="2015-09-04T13:29:52.047" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="19258" PostId="8303" Score="0" Text="Wow, yeah, that's a pretty suck tag." CreationDate="2015-09-04T10:31:42.880" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19262" PostId="8306" Score="0" Text="I don't think there is anything in this tag... ;)" CreationDate="2015-09-06T02:04:05.847" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="19266" PostId="8308" Score="0" Text="+1 Great summary. I agree, this is how they should be handled." CreationDate="2015-09-06T19:00:07.553" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19271" PostId="8308" Score="0" Text="+1 I can agree with this." CreationDate="2015-09-06T21:21:55.317" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19270" PostId="8309" Score="15" Text="That wasn't a rage quit btw. That was the result of calculated actions by the SE community team and Josh in particular, having failed miserably to influence the result of the last election." CreationDate="2015-09-06T20:27:45.430" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19299" PostId="8310" Score="0" Text="Lets be clear in that &quot;unprofessional&quot; questions are not simply questions unrelated to the professional duties of an admin but also questions that have answers found elsewhere." CreationDate="2015-09-10T01:59:55.327" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="22521" PostId="8310" Score="0" Text="Well this explains everything" CreationDate="2018-10-05T17:41:25.087" UserDisplayName="user448564" />
  <row Id="19275" PostId="8311" Score="3" Text="We need a bigger wall!" CreationDate="2015-09-07T19:18:06.567" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="19278" PostId="8311" Score="0" Text="Indeed @ward, indeed :) Although it was more a reference to the perennial circularity of this discussion." CreationDate="2015-09-07T20:31:43.170" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19274" PostId="8312" Score="3" Text="There is also the added annoyance that new users who mean well and come here with a half-decent but badly written question might, during a bad day, end up on the receiving end of ire not their fault. The worse the main site's content gets, the less likely that half-decent content will get quality attention." CreationDate="2015-09-07T08:59:20.057" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19298" PostId="8312" Score="0" Text="Actually I do recall that back in the early days of SF it was intended to be the destination for all much like SO was (http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5280/embrace-the-non-googlers) this however changed." CreationDate="2015-09-10T01:33:33.493" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19267" PostId="8313" Score="0" Text="Do you mean [this question on Server Fault](http://serverfault.com/questions/720363/i-try-to-register-my-dell-c3765-printer-but-get-registration-failed-bios-is-up)? It seems like the closure is correct; Server Fault is about “… managing information technology systems in a business environment.” and then the closure continues to say, “ Home and end-user computing questions may be asked on Super User…” So perhaps that question should just be moved there?" CreationDate="2015-09-06T17:25:40.250" UserId="100013" />
  <row Id="19268" PostId="8313" Score="0" Text="Your original question is concerning Google Cloud printing so should be asked on http://webapps.stackexchange.com/ as questions about webapps are off-topic on [su]" CreationDate="2015-09-06T17:28:09.447" UserId="251339" />
  <row Id="19272" PostId="8314" Score="0" Text="To be honest, I still think the post would be better on the [Web Applications](http://webapps.stackexchange.com) site since the crux of the issue seems to be focused on the web-app aspect of this setup. Definitely an edge-case here." CreationDate="2015-09-07T01:32:33.353" UserId="100013" />
  <row Id="19273" PostId="8314" Score="2" Text="@JakeGould We don't look for the best fit. We look at `is it on topic`. And if it isn't, we should look at `is it a good question` and if so we can check if it fits another SE site." CreationDate="2015-09-07T05:24:01.523" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19281" PostId="8314" Score="0" Text="Michael,  Thanks for reopening.  I really just didn't know how to reach you.  Even the comments to go to Web Apps are much appreciated." CreationDate="2015-09-08T00:58:04.267" UserId="309750" />
  <row Id="19283" PostId="8314" Score="0" Text="I didn't see any obvious errors in the firewall, but I'll look again.  With respect to researching, I couldn't find anything about the error I'm currently receiving--even on the dell KB.  The only thing I noticed were some people failing to register because they didn't have google cloud enabled printers.  My printer clearly is cloud enabled (it's actually a button on the interface)." CreationDate="2015-09-08T01:16:44.007" UserId="309750" />
  <row Id="19276" PostId="8316" Score="0" Text="Thanks for reviving this.  I look forward to visiting this again in a year. :)" CreationDate="2015-09-07T19:40:18.140" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="19277" PostId="8316" Score="0" Text="I only revived it because I needed a 200th answer." CreationDate="2015-09-07T20:30:18.217" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19282" PostId="8316" Score="0" Text="I wish Shog or someone on staff would answer it for selfish reasons...that would suffice enough for me." CreationDate="2015-09-08T00:59:50.940" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="19279" PostId="8321" Score="1" Text="http://serverfault.com/questions/340016/what-does-it-imply-if-debugfs-says-cant-read-next-inode-when-doing-inode-scan and http://serverfault.com/questions/481864/how-to-block-filter-responses-based-on-content-disposition-in-iis-7-5 should not appear next to each other in a tag :)" CreationDate="2015-09-07T21:07:07.793" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="19280" PostId="8321" Score="0" Text="@FalconMomot Hah, great example." CreationDate="2015-09-07T21:22:21.037" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19351" PostId="8321" Score="0" Text="Does that mean we should just remove the tag where it is used? Or are there other tags we can use instead?" CreationDate="2015-09-17T13:37:17.870" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="19290" PostId="8322" Score="0" Text="Thanks a lot, and to @EEAA as well - that's really helpful. I'll see if I can split the question up, or perhaps I'll migrate it to my blog." CreationDate="2015-09-08T23:00:31.530" UserId="63042" />
  <row Id="19284" PostId="8323" Score="0" Text="Question counts: &quot;361 questions tagged [hacking]&quot;, &quot;230 questions tagged [hacking] not [security]&quot;" CreationDate="2015-09-08T01:31:02.693" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19285" PostId="8325" Score="0" Text="They're not distinguishable at all.  I can't think of any question that could be tagged with one but not the other." CreationDate="2015-09-08T01:36:53.677" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="19286" PostId="8325" Score="4" Text="So, if they aren't distinguishable, then it would be fine to go the other direction: rename security to hacking? Somehow I don't think this is true." CreationDate="2015-09-08T01:39:42.877" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19289" PostId="8329" Score="9" Text="Congrats to all 3.  Here's to seeing Evan Carroll back around in 2016's election" CreationDate="2015-09-08T21:54:35.020" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="19291" PostId="8329" Score="5" Text="Evan ... the [Screaming Lord Sutch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screaming_Lord_Sutch) of ServerFault, bless him.  Congrats to the new mods from me, too!" CreationDate="2015-09-09T06:29:00.200" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="19294" PostId="8329" Score="1" Text="Congratulations! Try and stay around for a while now, so that we can skip next years election." CreationDate="2015-09-09T07:11:25.310" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19296" PostId="8329" Score="3" Text="Congrat to the new moderator. Always cool to see good contributor to be named mod" CreationDate="2015-09-09T12:57:20.627" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19523" PostId="8329" Score="0" Text="Congrats to the new mods" CreationDate="2015-09-29T18:55:16.723" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="19589" PostId="8329" Score="1" Text="It's probably time to remove the featured tag from this now." CreationDate="2015-10-01T08:15:31.463" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19292" PostId="8330" Score="2" Text="Oh no, the end is nigh..." CreationDate="2015-09-09T06:47:58.033" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19293" PostId="8333" Score="2" Text="The second sentence looks like an attempted answer? Tbh this looks more like someone who didn't have the rep to comment, wanted to add info (the php -v) and decided to put it in an answer not entirely understanding the system. Which makes for bad UX and a bad audit." CreationDate="2015-09-09T06:51:04.203" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19300" PostId="8336" Score="0" Text="It is to contol updates specific to telemetry" CreationDate="2015-09-10T04:29:37.337" UserId="152268" />
  <row Id="19301" PostId="8336" Score="0" Text="Your question needs to actually say that and show what you've done to try" CreationDate="2015-09-10T08:38:22.360" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19302" PostId="8336" Score="0" Text="Jim - I have revised the question many times and feel it does say that. If you feel it does not say it and can be rephrased better please help me do so. Feel free to edit and improve it. What I've tried is also there." CreationDate="2015-09-10T10:29:51.867" UserId="152268" />
  <row Id="19306" PostId="8336" Score="0" Text="Managing WSUS has been asked and answered, I'll mark it as a dup after revising" CreationDate="2015-09-10T19:09:47.843" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19307" PostId="8336" Score="0" Text="Jim - This not just any management of WSUS - Generic blocking of updates. This is specific to blocking the Telemetry updates, so little more needs to be added to the answer. PS: Also I havent installed WSUS on it. It is an SBS server" CreationDate="2015-09-10T19:46:20.310" UserId="152268" />
  <row Id="19308" PostId="8336" Score="0" Text="Blocking updates is blocking updates, whether its the ceip updates or any other update.  There are articles that you listed on how to handle it." CreationDate="2015-09-11T00:04:59.690" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19309" PostId="8336" Score="0" Text="Either with or without Wsus you posted your own links to the solutions, so its still a dup." CreationDate="2015-09-11T00:28:44.020" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19310" PostId="8336" Score="0" Text="I did not post links to a solution. I linked to things I combined and tried without success as SBS is slightly different {earlier I had even written all the steps in my question}, that are similar in nature - referring to them, but they are not the solution. &#xA;PS: Honestly, do what you want, I am kind of feeling SE is not the place for me. No matter what/ how clearly something is articulated someone will come and be high &amp; mighty. Thanks for the help so far. I give up." CreationDate="2015-09-11T13:20:37.380" UserId="152268" />
  <row Id="19313" PostId="8336" Score="0" Text="Sbs has a wrapper around wsus and I put the link to that in the comment." CreationDate="2015-09-11T17:05:00.240" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19381" PostId="8338" Score="0" Text="I tried putting it out there, I'm wholly unsure of the reaction I'll get for it and fully expect a negative one. Regardless it's something I would like an answer to if anyone has it, so let's see! Thank you." CreationDate="2015-09-21T09:25:32.110" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19303" PostId="8339" Score="3" Text="Eloquence in action." CreationDate="2015-09-10T17:49:37.547" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19304" PostId="8339" Score="1" Text="Agreed, if you ever write a book let me know." CreationDate="2015-09-10T18:51:09.630" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19315" PostId="8340" Score="0" Text="Thank you for that, but there's nothing about those messages (other than the fact that no one answered) that I think is wrong, and no comments or any other indication that someone thought they were bad questions. What can I do now?" CreationDate="2015-09-12T01:54:38.640" UserId="103427" />
  <row Id="19590" PostId="8340" Score="0" Text="If you think your question can be deleted, always save its url. On this URL, you will be always capable to see that." CreationDate="2015-10-01T11:35:35.887" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19316" PostId="8342" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I've edited the question and provided an updated answer.  It appears this question was originally locked by @HopelessN00b which is a whole other can of worms I have no interest in rehashing. http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8071/some-parting-thoughts-and-apologies-for-the-drama" CreationDate="2015-09-12T16:33:56.417" UserId="11060" />
  <row Id="19341" PostId="8345" Score="0" Text="I'm not talking it personally, in fact I do appreciate your feedback and hopefully with that I'll be able to learn how to ask better questions which at the end will benefit me as well as community." CreationDate="2015-09-16T19:32:58.017" UserId="10683" />
  <row Id="19344" PostId="8346" Score="0" Text="You're 100% correct, I should've included more information. Thank you for your feedback." CreationDate="2015-09-16T19:38:42.197" UserId="10683" />
  <row Id="19342" PostId="8347" Score="0" Text="I respectfully disagree, according to https://www.docker.com/whatisdocker docker is for both developers _AND_ sysadmins, but then again this is probably not a place to have this conversation here, but regardless I do respect your opinion." CreationDate="2015-09-16T19:35:21.340" UserId="10683" />
  <row Id="19343" PostId="8347" Score="0" Text="I fully understand what docker is. In fact I use it every day. Your question, though was about configuring a **development environment**. Docker on Linux on Virtualbox on OSX is **not** a production environment. It's a developer's system." CreationDate="2015-09-16T19:36:26.617" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19345" PostId="8347" Score="0" Text="This is _NOT_ development environment, We're using Macs in _PRODUCTION_ and with Macs that's how docker works (via VirtualBox)." CreationDate="2015-09-16T19:44:14.803" UserId="10683" />
  <row Id="19346" PostId="8347" Score="4" Text="@alexus You're seriously running Docker on VirtualBox on a Mac...in production?! You have bigger problems to solve." CreationDate="2015-09-16T21:48:18.040" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19347" PostId="8347" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton no, not yet, just considering it. I guess it's all depends on requirements for project..." CreationDate="2015-09-16T21:54:55.933" UserId="10683" />
  <row Id="19321" PostId="8349" Score="0" Text="That flag that you show isn't an unclear flag it's a flag asking why a flag was declined. You don't mention this at all in your question which now appears unclear itself." CreationDate="2015-09-15T20:35:34.097" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19322" PostId="8349" Score="0" Text="@Iain Check the timestamp ... and read my first line please. &quot;I just wanted to ask if for that question, flagging it as 'unclear' was ok ?&quot; I did flag &quot;unclear&quot;. The other flag was just because I seen a moderator asking the user, so my error, should had use meta directly" CreationDate="2015-09-15T20:36:50.287" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19319" PostId="8350" Score="0" Text="Yes, but I flagged it and told the OP it was unclear. The moderator can just bypass the review if he don't agree and wait for the 5 community votes. It was not in a hurry to close too, but I seen better wrote question flagged unclear." CreationDate="2015-09-15T20:06:19.423" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19337" PostId="8350" Score="0" Text="After womble answer, I now understand your point. Was a newbie error from me. As I cant see the 'close' option. I thought that flagging a close vote was like casting a close vote. It's just confusing, as the mouse-over text for the flag is &quot;flag this posts for serious problem or moderator attention&quot;, and when you click &quot;flag&quot; , the last option is &quot;in need of moderator intervention&quot;. Will read the FAQ next time, as each option need a moderator intervention, even if I click simply that the question is offtopic." CreationDate="2015-09-16T18:49:30.080" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19320" PostId="8351" Score="0" Text="Will mark as answer, but I still don't know why the moderator didn't waited the 5 community vote, as even another moderator found it unclear." CreationDate="2015-09-15T20:15:48.537" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19324" PostId="8352" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your answer. I didnt know you did the review. I didnt mean to do a witchhunt there, so I appreciate your time. I maybe badly use the flag option. For me I use it only for community moderation, except case like spam or abuse. A example from another review I did is http://serverfault.com/questions/718937/centos-rootnologin. I flagged it the 5 sept, and was closed today. I just feel that it can somehow help to flag. My misinterpretation is maybe that Iam under 3k, the flag does maybe not mean the same" CreationDate="2015-09-15T22:38:51.850" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19325" PostId="8352" Score="2" Text="I don't feel witch-hunted, no harm done.  The general &quot;theme&quot; of flagging is that it should be limited to cases where community moderators *can't* deal with something (converting non-answers to comments, deleting abusive/spammy comments) or where action *has* to be taken quickly or with &quot;extra&quot; authority (stopping on-going abuse, banning users, etc)." CreationDate="2015-09-15T23:01:29.747" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19326" PostId="8352" Score="0" Text="I agree, gonna wait for my 3k to continue :) but SO team did it confusing as I did like 100 close vote and it show helpful in my profile, even if im lower of 3k, but you are right that all close question only show the 5 member that the vote counted (over 3k)" CreationDate="2015-09-15T23:13:21.960" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19329" PostId="8353" Score="4" Text="This doesn't need mod powers. One of the issues Josh had with he Noob was lack of community involvement in the great burnination - apparently the community should be enlisted to help get the job done." CreationDate="2015-09-16T05:56:08.683" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19330" PostId="8353" Score="0" Text="In order to do it without spamming the active tab it needs mod powers, right?  Many moons ago I got in trouble for doing a mass-retagging-by-edit because it spammed the active tab.  Perhaps we don't care about that as much any more?  I'm also not seeing a way to &quot;blacklist&quot; a tag... is that not a thing (any more?), or have I just not found the right page to do it?" CreationDate="2015-09-16T06:22:10.230" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19331" PostId="8353" Score="1" Text="SOP so as not to spam the front page is to do  few, wait a while, then do some more. You could also gather the community together at a convenient time and do it - perhaps at a weekend when the river of crap is less dilute and the chance of missing a quality question is lower. The important thing is community involvement*.  It will stop Josh and the SO team from thinking you are a bot, panicking, and taking your ♦ away from you." CreationDate="2015-09-16T06:39:13.877" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19332" PostId="8353" Score="5" Text="My preciousssss..." CreationDate="2015-09-16T07:41:44.540" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19333" PostId="8353" Score="0" Text="@womble I'll start editing some of the tags out of existence, you can duly consider me `community involvment` in this one." CreationDate="2015-09-16T08:08:15.960" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19335" PostId="8353" Score="0" Text="Schweet.  I'll hit the odd one when while I'm waiting for my builds to finish." CreationDate="2015-09-16T10:16:29.983" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19336" PostId="8353" Score="0" Text="@womble I decided to slow down a bit, as it better fits my work schedule and is kinder to the front page. I'm doing two every 30ish minutes. Mostly the blatant ones for now." CreationDate="2015-09-16T12:46:28.447" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19338" PostId="8353" Score="0" Text="@womble In order to clean up tags without spamming the front page you need to bribe a CM or Developer to fiddle with the database - otherwise for retagging the general rule is like Iain said: Community consensus and try not to flood the front page with tag changes :)" CreationDate="2015-09-16T19:05:56.683" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="19339" PostId="8353" Score="0" Text="(also I believe tag/content blacklisting still requires CM intervention too, but generally if we get rid of the &quot;bad&quot; tag it won't come back as it won't be auto-suggested anymore)" CreationDate="2015-09-16T19:07:00.837" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="19340" PostId="8353" Score="1" Text="He Lives !!!1!!" CreationDate="2015-09-16T19:13:37.463" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19349" PostId="8353" Score="0" Text="I'll work on it, too." CreationDate="2015-09-17T12:48:01.867" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19350" PostId="8353" Score="1" Text="...and the very first question I found was a request for products. I think doing these kinds of clean-ups are also a good time to evaluate the topicality of the questions for the site as it currently exists." CreationDate="2015-09-17T12:49:32.753" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19352" PostId="8353" Score="0" Text="@womble, Yeah you're right. The mod privileges can be used for mass retagging. With the [locked-question method](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/7880/what-bad-tags-in-need-of-burnination-do-we-still-have-hanging-around), our ex-mod *noob* can retag hundred of questions without spamming our precious frontpage" CreationDate="2015-09-17T19:19:29.370" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="19419" PostId="8353" Score="0" Text="One left, but it needs a shiny diamond: http://serverfault.com/questions/232083/how-typically-reverse-proxy" CreationDate="2015-09-24T10:34:14.520" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19421" PostId="8353" Score="0" Text="Odd... I'm not sure why that one needed shiny-diamond powers (perhaps because it was a migration reject), but I've fixed it up.  The reverse tag is gone!  Top work by everyone who contributed to making it happen." CreationDate="2015-09-24T20:27:26.283" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19424" PostId="8353" Score="1" Text="@womble Your shiny diamond is also needed to put up the [tag:status-completed] on this thread." CreationDate="2015-09-25T07:55:43.063" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19353" PostId="8354" Score="4" Text="It could be an interesting idea but I'm unconvinced as to SO's ability to execute..." CreationDate="2015-09-17T20:00:42.000" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="19354" PostId="8354" Score="8" Text="As is frequently lamented, no one who needs to ever reads anything. We have a huge body of knowledge already but somehow most of the people who ask questions manage to miss it completely.  It'll just be a waste of people's time." CreationDate="2015-09-17T22:03:21.813" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19363" PostId="8354" Score="3" Text="it is quite hard to find the canonical questions, so maybe we want to start with getting them somewhere easier to find (no idea how though)" CreationDate="2015-09-18T08:03:35.890" UserId="157970" />
  <row Id="19379" PostId="8354" Score="1" Text="I think SO can do this, their goal is to attract programmers of all skill levels.  Our goal is the exact opposite, we only want experienced admins that are looking for knowledge transfer questions, not &quot;how to&quot; or beginner questions." CreationDate="2015-09-20T17:34:55.850" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19355" PostId="8356" Score="3" Text="Documentation is quite definitely a living document. Programming-oriented examples and such probably age better than, say, Postfix configs. If we go there, we will need to come back as new versions change defaults." CreationDate="2015-09-18T02:00:41.040" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="19364" PostId="8356" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 A living document by definition will always other to edit your document. If they reward by point co-editor, then people will do small edit to gain point.. Canonical question already answer those problems IMO. If they dont reward co-editor, then why people will contribute ?" CreationDate="2015-09-18T12:33:48.343" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19358" PostId="8357" Score="1" Text="Having listened to the recent podcast that talked about documentation I don't get the impression it'll be a close-dupe target. People who come here generally don't want to help themselves they want someone to tell them the answer. Look at the number of simple questions we get about basic vhost/cron/mod_rewrite etc. We and the internet at large have lots of examples of each of these yet people seem to miss them  and want a had crafted answer exactly the same as everyone else's because their situation is somehow unique when in reality it's the same." CreationDate="2015-09-18T07:09:55.677" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19359" PostId="8357" Score="1" Text="@Iain I am personally grateful for the lazy people who come here, it helps me learn stuff when trying to answer their questions :P" CreationDate="2015-09-18T07:42:11.547" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19360" PostId="8357" Score="2" Text="@Reaces Stuff is interesting once, when you learn it. Having to repeat the same lesson over and over again makes it somewhat boring." CreationDate="2015-09-18T07:47:02.963" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19361" PostId="8357" Score="0" Text="@Iain Which is where new, inexperienced answerers such as myself come in. It's just unfortunate the influx of those seeking free answers greatly exceeds those willing to dig around for answers." CreationDate="2015-09-18T07:51:52.213" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19362" PostId="8357" Score="1" Text="I think my point is clear. Now I think you are being deliberately obtuse." CreationDate="2015-09-18T07:58:29.310" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19365" PostId="8357" Score="2" Text="@Reaces Questions should not need to be answered more than once. This is precisely why &quot;Close as duplicate&quot; exists. Server Fault's continual problem is people screaming &quot;It's NOT a duplicate! Your post makes it say foo and I want it to say bar!&quot; - they literally want someone to do their job (or be their free sysadmin) and give them something to cut and paste into the terminal. Learning is not their goal, mashing the button that makes the dialog box go away is. I'd be willing to give SO's new documentation idea a go, but it will definitely not solve that core problem." CreationDate="2015-09-19T04:09:49.903" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="19413" PostId="8357" Score="2" Text="What's *&quot;the hyphen site&quot;*?" CreationDate="2015-09-23T13:19:58.223" UserId="58001" />
  <row Id="19418" PostId="8357" Score="2" Text="@GeorgeBailey: Experts Exchange.  Joel and Jeff didn't want to refer to it by name, so they called it &quot;the hyphen site&quot; (due to the hyphen being strategically placed to avoid any hint of highly skilled gender reassignment) instead." CreationDate="2015-09-24T02:59:52.547" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19377" PostId="8364" Score="7" Text="Thanks for the additional, in-depth analysis.  Funny that there are questions which are simultaneously both &quot;local&quot; *and* &quot;remote&quot;..." CreationDate="2015-09-20T12:02:29.603" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19378" PostId="8365" Score="3" Text="Last time I did a rough count we had already 5000+ tags (and too many with hardly associated questions) so anything that reduces that number is fine by me. ☺" CreationDate="2015-09-20T17:31:19.477" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="19380" PostId="8366" Score="5" Text="I'd go with 'reverse DNS' as the primary." CreationDate="2015-09-20T22:28:34.817" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19399" PostId="8366" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton I just tried suggesting that synonym. I got an error message saying &quot;Failed to propose synonym:&#xA;&#xA;Reverse synonym ptr-record already proposed on the tag ptr&quot;" CreationDate="2015-09-22T11:44:36.860" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="19403" PostId="8366" Score="0" Text="Maybe we need to make `ptr` a synonym of `reverse-dns` then?" CreationDate="2015-09-22T22:27:29.577" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19412" PostId="8366" Score="1" Text="@womble Trying to suggest that produce a different error message: &quot;Failed to propose synonym:&#xA;&#xA;The suggested tag must exist in the system before suggesting it as a synonym!&quot;" CreationDate="2015-09-23T13:18:19.723" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="19383" PostId="8368" Score="0" Text="Personnaly I dont see that tag as a problem, but it's my opinion, as it's not a error, it's untagged" CreationDate="2015-09-21T13:19:57.917" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19384" PostId="8368" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 The purpose of tags: `A tag is a keyword or label that categorizes your question with other, similar questions.`. How does `untagged` do that right now?" CreationDate="2015-09-21T13:21:13.973" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19385" PostId="8368" Score="1" Text="Most of them closed are off-topic, how correcting offtopic question help us ? someday the system will simply purge them anyhow" CreationDate="2015-09-21T13:22:53.940" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19386" PostId="8368" Score="1" Text="@yagmoth555 My main concern is that if you leave a mistake alone in the wild, it will grow. In this case, if you leave the tag out there, people will use it. And seeing as how it is meaningless now, yet has a lot of questions tagged, it is likely to pop up. Looking at newest questions with the tag, people are indeed using it." CreationDate="2015-09-21T13:26:13.293" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19387" PostId="8368" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 I also thought that the system will never purge them because they are locked for historical significance as part of Hopeless` work. I guess your opinion is to just leave the mess as is and let time run its course?" CreationDate="2015-09-21T13:29:34.023" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19388" PostId="8368" Score="0" Text="Yes for closed question, but your point is good to educate the user to prevent that tag use if we decide to not use it. As like I thought, it's more regular that use it, like seen in that example; http://serverfault.com/posts/507875/revisions" CreationDate="2015-09-21T13:41:24.517" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19389" PostId="8368" Score="0" Text="But my opinion is that tag is good, as it's like someone that put is hand in the air to get help to classify the question, but need the community to help him" CreationDate="2015-09-21T13:46:04.887" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19392" PostId="8371" Score="1" Text="I agree it just has a crappy close reason AND meta said its ok to google for the user" CreationDate="2015-09-21T22:57:16.060" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19395" PostId="8371" Score="0" Text="I agree to a point, but I would argue that for outward appearances sake (not just the user asking, but those who see how we treated the question) closing it as a duplicate looks like a vastly more friendly action." CreationDate="2015-09-22T07:19:23.947" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19405" PostId="8371" Score="1" Text="I agree that closing as a dupe is better, so long as there is a dupe." CreationDate="2015-09-22T23:14:14.277" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="20198" PostId="8372" Score="0" Text="does your *shiny diamond powers* offer from sept 2015 still stand? If so, please consider my suggestions in my answer I just posted ..." CreationDate="2016-01-20T17:03:11.890" UserId="282070" />
  <row Id="20247" PostId="8372" Score="0" Text="Yep, I can take care of those.  Sorry about the delay in answering, I've been moving house across the country." CreationDate="2016-01-26T05:34:21.973" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="20248" PostId="8372" Score="0" Text="OK, great, enjoy weeding!" CreationDate="2016-01-26T05:42:03.853" UserId="282070" />
  <row Id="19390" PostId="8373" Score="3" Text="Good points indeed. I still have a hard time with the no apparent research bit, but we'll see how this plays out in the next day or so. If people think it should be re-opened, I'm not going to oppose the community." CreationDate="2015-09-21T22:41:44.580" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19391" PostId="8373" Score="0" Text="&quot;Whilst SF != SO, I like to think we're trying to build the same sort of thing&quot; and has been argued ad nauseum we are specifically NOT trying to be a repository, we've made it crystal clear we only want a certain type of explicit question. I'm perfectly OK that its closed but we need to be clearer on why." CreationDate="2015-09-21T22:55:00.020" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19393" PostId="8373" Score="0" Text="The first comment left was the problem there in my opinion. It seem funny when I read it, but the tone can be badly decoded especially if you are not english." CreationDate="2015-09-22T01:06:54.963" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19394" PostId="8373" Score="0" Text="No research is not only a valid close reason, if you can easily find duplicates on server fault itself it's not just no research, it's an easy close as duplicate." CreationDate="2015-09-22T07:17:52.563" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19396" PostId="8373" Score="1" Text="@reaces Close-as-dupe, sure.  Which close reason would you use for &quot;No research&quot;?  None of the existing close reasons scream &quot;use me for no research questions!&quot; to me." CreationDate="2015-09-22T08:13:17.963" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19397" PostId="8373" Score="0" Text="@womble It's so unlikely though that we come across a question that is blatantly _no research_ and does not have a duplicate. And if we do want to forward the aims of StackExchange wanting to be a knowledge repository. Then answering something which could be googled but doesn't have a ServerFault answer is just fine." CreationDate="2015-09-22T09:13:39.297" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19402" PostId="8373" Score="0" Text="A &quot;No Research&quot; close reason is just begging to be abused, I'd be afraid to add one. It's pretty clear from all the site's documentation and the time we've spent explaining how to ask a good question that we expect to be AFTER Google in the help-seeking chain though. A &quot;Custom&quot; close and a comment pointing at any of those pages would be my choice if there's no good duplicate target &amp; it's a REALLY lazy question." CreationDate="2015-09-22T19:09:31.333" UserId="32986" />
  <row Id="19408" PostId="8373" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 you know as well as I do that a new users doesn't read the sites documentation,. ten post- they just post.  Custom Close is not a bad option either but I suspect that the canned close reason will be &quot;you didn't google&quot; , otherwise it's far simpler to just answer the question." CreationDate="2015-09-23T04:40:10.837" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19398" PostId="8374" Score="4" Text="It is generally much easier to write a new answer than it is to [find the duplicate that you know exists](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/232242/help-us-find-duplicates-efficiently) and frequently that (correctly) translates into _let's just close this shit_." CreationDate="2015-09-22T09:31:42.477" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19400" PostId="8374" Score="0" Text="Excellent. Thanks for tracking those down. I've re-closed it as dupe." CreationDate="2015-09-22T13:03:32.263" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19406" PostId="8374" Score="0" Text="@iain, if the correct answer doesn't show up on google (from SF) then closing it serves no purpose." CreationDate="2015-09-23T02:02:35.863" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19401" PostId="8376" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the link ! I thougth it was available to do, but it answer me, as it's just not an option" CreationDate="2015-09-22T13:22:49.640" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19407" PostId="8376" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 remember that stackexchange exists as a set of community driven sites.  Moderators are a necessary evil (although if I recall correctly from the early days moderators as being necessary was an interesting debate)" CreationDate="2015-09-23T04:35:58.790" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19411" PostId="8376" Score="0" Text="@JimB the moderator hat is not easy, but it's necessary. by moderating you cant make everyone happy. Community driven is a large term btw. As on technet forum mod can mark the answer, but it's wrote that they did it. As a community site, they wanted to attract more contributor as a lot of users does not actually come back to mark (and if they come back, they can unmark, they see it that way). On SE they prioritized the up'ing system, as upped answer are displayed first (and upping give more point), kinda why I like womble answer, I now see it the good way." CreationDate="2015-09-23T13:09:35.360" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19414" PostId="8376" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 TechNet is different because it's presumed that the TechNet moderators know what the answer is.  In the case of SF the community knows what the answer is rather than the mods." CreationDate="2015-09-23T17:22:23.463" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19417" PostId="8376" Score="0" Text="@JimB I agree, but my question was specific at first, when the OP itselft tell the answer, but didnt mark it." CreationDate="2015-09-23T17:54:03.223" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19404" PostId="8377" Score="0" Text="I like how you tell it, it change my perception for upvote" CreationDate="2015-09-22T22:59:23.037" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19410" PostId="8378" Score="2" Text="Also [relevant](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/5529/20815)." CreationDate="2015-09-23T12:49:50.040" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19427" PostId="8378" Score="0" Text="I had a funny comment here, but I've chosen the peace now. :-)" CreationDate="2015-09-26T15:35:23.210" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19455" PostId="8378" Score="0" Text="Because of Otto? https://www.hashicorp.com/blog/otto.html" CreationDate="2015-09-29T04:38:25.643" UserId="76707" />
  <row Id="19456" PostId="8378" Score="0" Text="@dmourati This question is about Vagrant." CreationDate="2015-09-29T04:41:53.063" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19415" PostId="8379" Score="0" Text="however is  &quot;•managing the hardware or software of servers, workstations, storage or networks&quot;  something a developer does?  I completely agree with your points, my only issue is that most of the time the person using vagrant is not going to be a sysadmin.  Remember that on SF we don't talk about bluescreen debugging because users might do that." CreationDate="2015-09-23T17:25:34.930" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19416" PostId="8379" Score="1" Text="@JimB you are correct, which is why I wrote `As with most things, looking at the question in-context before making a decisions is the way to go.` - I don't support a blanket ban, but I also do not support making anything vagrant on-topic" CreationDate="2015-09-23T17:36:34.800" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="19420" PostId="8379" Score="0" Text="since we're in agreement which site should own vagrant, I'd suggest we simply move them to SO where the folks that use vagrant tend to gravitate." CreationDate="2015-09-24T13:56:20.497" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19429" PostId="8379" Score="0" Text="For the reasons you state, Vagrant is clearly moving fast into sysadmin territory, just like Docker will with the coming of Windows Server 2016 by the sound of it. I don't side with @JimB about a specific site owning a product such as Vagrant with its wide range of application, but rather with Mark in it all being about context." CreationDate="2015-09-27T14:18:43.653" UserId="196932" />
  <row Id="19430" PostId="8379" Score="0" Text="@erike unfortunately we've made the decision a long time ago to be extremely specific on what's on topic.  I'd be completely happy to start allowing questions that might be of value to a business environment.  Instead we've closed or migrated questions that are primarily user or dev oriented regardless of the usage by admins.  I'm only looking for consistency." CreationDate="2015-09-27T18:11:23.673" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19431" PostId="8379" Score="0" Text="@JimB if you would then provide the &quot;extremely specific&quot; list of &quot;products owned&quot; by SF? It would simplify all discourse." CreationDate="2015-09-27T18:17:13.793" UserId="196932" />
  <row Id="19452" PostId="8379" Score="0" Text="@erike •managing the hardware or software of servers, workstations, storage or networks&#xA;•tools used for administering, monitoring, or automating these&#xA;•deployment to and management of third-party provided information technology platforms if you are interested in looking you'll notice that the mean mention of development, home, or any possible use other than specifically primarily admin use is migrated (and probably why there are over 4k questions on vagrant on SO) you can examine the data here https://archive.org/details/stackexchange" CreationDate="2015-09-28T10:30:44.260" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19453" PostId="8379" Score="5" Text="@JimB I do not support a blanket ban/migration of any question based solely on its tags and/or technology. Of anything. Even cpanel. I believe that every single question needs to be judged on its own merits. Thus I can't support your plan to &quot;just migrate them to SO&quot;. I would suggest migrating them to SO *if* they fit within SO's boundaries *and* are off-topic based on SF boundaries - but then and only then." CreationDate="2015-09-28T12:59:27.040" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="19638" PostId="8379" Score="0" Text="I'd like to substantiate this answer - I've personally used vagrant for quite literally the exact purpose of running CMS system configurations through a battery of tests." CreationDate="2015-10-04T20:18:02.753" UserId="129773" />
  <row Id="19409" PostId="8380" Score="6" Text="Respectfully disagree. As per our very own much fought about [on-topic FAQ](http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic) I believe Vagrant falls under all *three* of the on-topic bullet points." CreationDate="2015-09-23T12:15:30.777" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="19426" PostId="8383" Score="0" Text="Related: [HTTP result code tags](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3151/http-result-code-tags)" CreationDate="2015-09-25T15:49:44.743" UserId="218590" />
  <row Id="19909" PostId="8385" Score="0" Text="&quot;writing a wrapper around grep to make it easier to use by housewifes&quot; Now that's got to be a gap in the market! Someone's gonna do that one day and make gigabucks!" CreationDate="2015-11-06T03:08:20.310" UserId="309526" />
  <row Id="19524" PostId="8392" Score="1" Text="We've said it before, and I'll say it again: &quot;We don't care about crappy, off-topic content.&quot; If someone comes and asks a well-researched, useful, but off-topic question, by all means, I'll migrate it. In 99% of the cases, though, people that can't be bothered to understand topicality here *also* don't take the time to write a good question. We don't migrate crap, so the question get closed and eventually auto-deleted." CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:01:50.727" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19525" PostId="8392" Score="4" Text="Can you please try to explain to me how you come to the conclusion that closing an old question that is now off-topic is &quot;destroying&quot; content? It is just a strong sign for everybody that we don't see this question as topical anymore and prevents  people from claiming &quot;but this wasn't closed&quot; on a six year old question." CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:01:55.303" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19526" PostId="8392" Score="0" Text="Thank you, @Sven. I was just about to write another comment addressing that." CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:04:17.543" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19527" PostId="8392" Score="0" Text="@Sven Closed questions will be deleted with time. It shouldn't be so, but it is how things are going. Maybe you won't delete it now, but can you guarantee it for the mods of the future in the next 10 years? *&quot;It was old and offtopic, so I deleted it&quot;* - so will sound the  justification. And no power on the Earth will avoid this. 10k- users won't even know, what had they lost. We don't know, what have the site _already_ lost. The damaged closing/delete policy is currently to strongest argument for me to work for the 10k. I want to see, what is lost." CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:08:46.977" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19528" PostId="8392" Score="0" Text="Questions with an answer will not be autodeleted, and &quot;what about another mod  in a few years&quot; is beyond a straw mans argument. With that mindset, we would need to accept every question, because maybe 10 years from now, the community magically decides that knitting has become on topic." CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:10:45.493" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19529" PostId="8392" Score="0" Text="@Sven To me, it is a very strong argument, because I've seen too many good and useful content waiting its removal. Because 10k- users don't even know, *what is missing*, thus you can't want from them to trust the deletion policy, especially if the closing policy is also highly problematic from many viewpoints." CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:13:19.260" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19530" PostId="8392" Score="1" Text="Again: Questions with answers will not be deleted, except they are really insanely bad or spammy. Period. This was never different and will not be different." CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:14:35.220" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19531" PostId="8392" Score="0" Text="@Sven You have access to the &quot;deleted&quot; (=made invisible) content of the site, could you sort it by decreasing votecount? Doing similarly with the closed questions doesn't make me happy (not only on the SF, nearly nowhere)." CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:18:14.610" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19532" PostId="8392" Score="2" Text="No. It's a waste of time to feed your conspiracy theories." CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:20:09.090" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19533" PostId="8392" Score="2" Text="@Sven Of course knitting is on-topic. Especially when you're using multiple yarns, where you can run into all sorts of threading issues. (Badum-tish!)" CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:21:31.080" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19534" PostId="8392" Score="0" Text="@EEAA It is wonderful. I would suggest to get a list of the (deleted or not) questions closed as offtopic, and sort them by decreasing votecount. There is the content which should have been migrated, but somehow it didn't happen. But anyways if you try to save which seems good content, it is a very good deed." CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:21:38.270" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19535" PostId="8392" Score="0" Text="@JennyD: Of course you are right. Forgot about the whole threading issues :)" CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:22:38.170" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19536" PostId="8392" Score="0" Text="@Sven I didn't asked to show it to me, I suggest for you to see them. At least, see them." CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:24:08.730" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19538" PostId="8392" Score="0" Text="@peterh [Be my guest](http://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/)." CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:58:31.183" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19539" PostId="8392" Score="0" Text="@EEAA Thank you, but as I know, deleted content can't be shown on the data SE, and even its metadata since only a short time." CreationDate="2015-09-29T20:07:01.813" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19541" PostId="8393" Score="3" Text="In some weeks it will disappear. I don't think it is problematic. Especially compared to previous big &quot;projects&quot; on the close queue." CreationDate="2015-09-29T20:20:22.597" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19542" PostId="8393" Score="1" Text="Looks like a couple of months work in the review mines ..." CreationDate="2015-09-29T20:31:57.390" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19550" PostId="8393" Score="1" Text="Gah!  *[runs away]*" CreationDate="2015-09-29T20:55:17.567" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="19566" PostId="8393" Score="0" Text="If those late answer were never reported, we cant assume they are good? And thus ask SE to directly clear the queue ? We are IT, and its a simple db." CreationDate="2015-09-29T22:35:16.887" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19568" PostId="8393" Score="1" Text="@yagmoth555: The SE team says it can't be undone. I don't claim to understand how the review system works so I've to take their word for it. Surely it's not *really* impossible, but if they have to first create a piece of software for this, it might not be worth the effort." CreationDate="2015-09-29T22:38:47.787" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19571" PostId="8393" Score="3" Text="I'm optimistic about the change, but I'm going to reserve final judgment until the queue clears and we can see how many reviews it generates on a normal day." CreationDate="2015-09-30T00:01:07.380" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19573" PostId="8393" Score="4" Text="Er.  I'm now banned from reviewing for two days.  ;)  Glowing product endorsements from four years ago all look alike to me, it seems.  So, you know.  If you tend to click through to the question, don't let the 3,000 items in the queue stop you from taking the time to click through." CreationDate="2015-09-30T02:16:42.947" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="19580" PostId="8393" Score="0" Text="@Sven I think everything can undone, but why? Now the &quot;late answer&quot; queue will be larger, the transient problem can be handled very easily. I would also very gladly help you, but unfortunately... ;-)" CreationDate="2015-09-30T12:16:07.967" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19588" PostId="8393" Score="2" Text="@KatherineVillyard I've unbanned you.  Ridiculous doesn't even begin to cover it." CreationDate="2015-09-30T23:59:55.773" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19547" PostId="8395" Score="1" Text="I did this before becoming a mod, but removed it afterwards. Might start it again ..." CreationDate="2015-09-29T20:47:10.633" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19587" PostId="8396" Score="0" Text="In the first-post or late-answers queue it could be useful to click up everytime, if there are no major problems with the post. This is a reward, which motivates the newbie on his first steps in the site. You don't need to click &quot;No Action Needed&quot;, click always up, with the exception if the post is crap (then click down + VtC/lowquality flag + advice to the newbie, in *human* style)." CreationDate="2015-09-30T17:06:18.240" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19605" PostId="8396" Score="0" Text="no I think the exact opposite- downvote unless it really is a good answer- this keeps up answer quality.  NAN is good when its marked as an answer already." CreationDate="2015-10-01T17:42:22.053" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19553" PostId="8398" Score="0" Text="ok sorry. serverfault linked here. you are right. serverfault linked here and I wasn't aware that there is serverfault meta as well" CreationDate="2015-09-29T21:27:24.730" UserId="255678" />
  <row Id="19555" PostId="8398" Score="0" Text="I think this is the complete link: https://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/qa-is-hard-lets-go-shopping/ looks like something got chopped off." CreationDate="2015-09-29T21:41:39.160" UserId="186958" />
  <row Id="19581" PostId="8400" Score="0" Text="No, seen post from yesterday, the review seem random in the 3k items" CreationDate="2015-09-30T12:34:31.197" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19592" PostId="8402" Score="0" Text="Hi Peter, my point was more to give mod a right, as when a question is wrote and the OP itself answer it, or tell &quot;thanks, it answer me&quot;, but does not mark the answer. (like the example I gave)." CreationDate="2015-10-01T12:43:26.703" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19593" PostId="8402" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 I think their problem with it that the mod would &quot;say&quot; something in the name of the OP. Nobody likes to communicate in others' name. But, I think, in such cases it would be highly useful if a highly upvoted answer could get an automatic green pipe." CreationDate="2015-10-01T13:03:43.033" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19594" PostId="8402" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 But I don't think it would be a tipical case. What is much more common, is that the OP is long forgotten, but new and new answers are only coming and coming to the question, because the question comes always for in the &quot;unanswered&quot; list." CreationDate="2015-10-01T13:05:02.207" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19603" PostId="8402" Score="0" Text="I don't like the idea of auto mark, but just a mod mark, and only when the OP told it worked with solution gave in an answer, as for up vote it only show what the community think is the answer, but for the same reason you give, as the unanswered allow re-come in the list" CreationDate="2015-10-01T14:55:48.153" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19604" PostId="8402" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 Mods are exception handlers, they should be needed only in exceptional cases. I wouldn't say a disappeared OP exceptional." CreationDate="2015-10-01T14:58:48.947" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19607" PostId="8404" Score="0" Text="Afaik most of their questions would be ontopic on Security and also on SU. But if they are ontopic here, they won't be moved there. If not... well, it is a longer question." CreationDate="2015-10-01T22:48:21.793" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19608" PostId="8404" Score="0" Text="peterh i love this comment! Can you repeat it in the area51 discuss area?" CreationDate="2015-10-01T23:11:20.057" UserId="51152" />
  <row Id="19609" PostId="8404" Score="5" Text="Way to narrow a subject with too much overlap with existing SE sites IMO." CreationDate="2015-10-02T05:27:17.097" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19644" PostId="8408" Score="0" Text="Zero score accepts http://serverfault.com/search?tab=votes&amp;q=isaccepted%3ayes%20score%3a0" CreationDate="2015-10-05T06:14:17.360" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19639" PostId="8409" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/175405/189912" CreationDate="2015-10-05T05:44:29.670" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19640" PostId="8409" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton - so it's a week-long ban. Okay, thanks." CreationDate="2015-10-05T05:46:59.633" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="19641" PostId="8409" Score="1" Text="As an aside, I think I would have declined most of those flags too. Those zipitbackup posts don't appear to be spam to me. See also http://serverfault.com/help/promotion and http://serverfault.com/help/product-support" CreationDate="2015-10-05T05:47:36.923" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19642" PostId="8409" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton -  I see your point. What intrigued me at the time was the coincidence between the two users, asking and answering q's on one product only. Was puzzled why one of the spam flags got marked helpful but all others did not." CreationDate="2015-10-05T05:52:15.260" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="19643" PostId="8409" Score="0" Text="I don't know. I wasn't the moderator who handled them." CreationDate="2015-10-05T06:05:59.323" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19654" PostId="8409" Score="2" Text="Yeah, IMHO, standards on the site have changed enough that the older posts are hard.  &quot;How do I do X?&quot;  &quot;Here's a link to a GREAT PRODUCT that does Y!&quot;  Uhhhh.  Skip.  And wince." CreationDate="2015-10-05T19:30:17.380" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="19704" PostId="8409" Score="1" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because the ban consigned me to Limbo, and only for a week." CreationDate="2015-10-10T00:07:30.090" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="19645" PostId="8410" Score="0" Text="Related: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5414/when-are-legacy-unsupported-systems-still-on-topic" CreationDate="2015-10-05T08:08:38.683" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19649" PostId="8411" Score="4" Text="I don't agree - whilst &quot;good practice&quot; means &quot;don't keep legacy&quot; - there are plenty of places where additional constraints apply, meaning that you do have &quot;legacy&quot; sticking around far longer than is optimal." CreationDate="2015-10-05T11:59:45.893" UserId="216511" />
  <row Id="19651" PostId="8411" Score="0" Text="I think it's valid to leave some legacy products up for discussion. I've worked places where they kept some pretty old stuff running because it just works... and would be a huge deal to upgrade. While this is a bad idea in my opinion, my opinion doesn't always count. Sometimes directors/CEOs refuse to budge on decisions like this. In which case professionals like sysadmins are forced to deal with this equipment. And sometimes we need help." CreationDate="2015-10-05T12:35:32.187" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="19683" PostId="8411" Score="0" Text="Of it isn't off topic, why do we have a close comment saying so?  The reason for this close answer is that historically nobody answers them." CreationDate="2015-10-08T13:19:12.453" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19767" PostId="8411" Score="2" Text="As of 2014, 95% of ATMs were supposedly still running —and I kid you not— Windows 95..." CreationDate="2015-10-14T11:08:07.840" UserId="88431" />
  <row Id="19647" PostId="8412" Score="15" Text="I have to +1 this. We can &quot;best practice&quot; and &quot;unsupported version&quot; every such question to death... but that won't change the fact that as a *professional*, one may face having to provide support for legacy products." CreationDate="2015-10-05T09:33:09.943" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="19648" PostId="8412" Score="2" Text="As much as questions on Windows 2003 or prehistoric Red Hat distros might make me cringe, I think this has to be the answer. A system that was running on Monday doesn't magically turn into a pumpkin on Friday because a support date goes by. Having said that, how willing will the people asking questions be to hear &quot;you need to upgrade&quot; as a (sensible, when there's reason to believe it might help) answer?" CreationDate="2015-10-05T10:37:50.123" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="19650" PostId="8412" Score="2" Text="I would agree - we all know legacy is an ongoing headache that we'd like to be rid of. But sometimes additional constraints apply that the IT guy in the middle has no control over. Even if the answer is simply &quot;Upgrade, because this problem isn't present in X&quot; - that's the start of a business case that helps me get the funding to do it." CreationDate="2015-10-05T12:02:24.783" UserId="216511" />
  <row Id="19652" PostId="8412" Score="0" Text="I agree, as often old answer can be re-used in newer version. Not to mention support from company is a debate. As even XP is still supported if you paid by contract with MS, even if in fact it's EOL 1 year ago." CreationDate="2015-10-05T15:21:13.553" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19653" PostId="8412" Score="0" Text="Some people are required to keep data for X years for compliance reasons, unfortunately.  (Virtualize them all onto non-network-connected VMs! er, if possible.)  At the same time, well.  Sometimes the answer is, &quot;Sorry, man.  Upgrade.&quot;  If it's not a legal compliance thing and is instead management being stingy or whatever, well, maybe that's a legit argument for them to spend, like Sobrique said." CreationDate="2015-10-05T19:21:34.597" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="19667" PostId="8412" Score="0" Text="I had actually made the comment in my answer (http://serverfault.com/questions/726785/how-to-get-drive-info-of-a-remote-windows-machine/726789#726789) that I thought it was likely that folks on SF would potentially close a question about XP these days.  But I agree with your answer overall, as well as Falcon's." CreationDate="2015-10-07T13:11:02.120" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="19669" PostId="8412" Score="1" Text="While Server 2003 has gone out of Extended Support, it still will see some use in long-living product lines where an upgrade is not feasible without significant changes to the overall infrastructure (like in industry automation where you would need to throw away half of your production line just to be able to upgrade to 64-bit Server 2012). I would consider it still to be on-topic. Especially since the number of knowledgeable people and publicly available resources is going to decrease rapidly, hope for an answer from a Serverfaultee might be the last straw to clutch at." CreationDate="2015-10-07T16:11:05.710" UserId="76595" />
  <row Id="19766" PostId="8412" Score="0" Text="As a Freelancer, around 80% of my work involces legacy systems, one kind or another...  and in private: No, I am not updating my Win7 anytime soon, nor my still paid-once Photoshop, nor ..." CreationDate="2015-10-14T11:05:15.537" UserId="88431" />
  <row Id="19655" PostId="8413" Score="1" Text="https://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/qa-is-hard-lets-go-shopping/" CreationDate="2015-10-05T20:32:49.520" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19656" PostId="8413" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I read that before I made this post. This post responds to every argument made in that blog. I guess I probably represent the minority view, as usual." CreationDate="2015-10-05T20:47:13.750" UserId="314961" />
  <row Id="19657" PostId="8413" Score="0" Text="It sees so, anyway you got it off yer chest ... carry on." CreationDate="2015-10-05T21:08:18.343" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19662" PostId="8413" Score="0" Text="You have **zero** actions on ServerFault (no questions, answers, comments, flags, votes or anything).  What makes you think you are qualified to judge how this site should operate?" CreationDate="2015-10-06T00:51:20.930" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19663" PostId="8413" Score="0" Text="I've been in the I.T. industry for decades, and I've been around server fault for as long as it has been around. If it says I have zero actions, it's wrong. I noticed that it relinked my account for some reason. I have various gmails, maybe that's the source of it. Anyway, I rather suspect there are a whole lot more people who use it to find answers than have time to do very much writing and voting." CreationDate="2015-10-06T19:10:36.073" UserId="314961" />
  <row Id="19664" PostId="8415" Score="0" Text="Can you explain how to add a filter so that you don't see stuff please ?" CreationDate="2015-10-06T22:03:25.923" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19665" PostId="8415" Score="0" Text="It's not about not wanting to see or answer them - it's about consistency- in the past the criteria for moving/closing questions was because we specifically said it's off topic (cpanel) OR the question was about something a user or developer would do.  Vagrant is beyond a doubt (even if all you do is look at where questions go) a developer tool and by past standards off topic- if now the bar is anything an admin might do, I'm happy with that but then we should bring back cpanel, bluescreen, etc." CreationDate="2015-10-07T08:09:22.087" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19684" PostId="8415" Score="0" Text="Demonstrated being helpful by answering a question, the example being how to use the `ignore tags` and `hide-ignored tags` features. @Iain" CreationDate="2015-10-08T13:46:34.120" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="19685" PostId="8415" Score="0" Text="@JimB You are, of course, welcome to continue playing Whack-a-Mole with products that you don't want to support.  It's probably fine." CreationDate="2015-10-08T13:47:50.260" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="19691" PostId="8415" Score="1" Text="@JimB As is evidenced in my answer above, vagrant has a valid use case in pro sysadmin. cPanel does not. Those two topics cannot be grouped into the same bucket." CreationDate="2015-10-08T16:56:40.210" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19692" PostId="8415" Score="0" Text="@EEAA so the questions (numbered in the low thousands prior to the deletion) by admins forced to manage servers with cpanel installed is not a valid sysadmin question BUT the questions on a tool that's aimed at development system design and by our (SE) evidence is primarily a developer tool is somehow directly on point?   I'm not trying to pick on you personally I'm simply advocating that we should be able to have a consistent, repeatable stance on what's allowed.  The only stance on this I oppose is the &quot;it depends&quot; stance." CreationDate="2015-10-08T21:07:37.960" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19693" PostId="8415" Score="1" Text="@JimB You're missing the point. There is no sane way to do sysadmin with cPanel. We don't need to hash out that discussion yet again. Vagrant, while primarily a dev tool, **does have legit use cases in systems administration**. cPanel does not. It does not work to create classes of tools and define everything as &quot;developer centric&quot; to be off topic. Each product deserves its own nuanced approach, especially for those like vagrant that fall into a grey area." CreationDate="2015-10-08T21:11:37.037" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19694" PostId="8415" Score="0" Text="@gWaldo, its not about whack a mole, there is a vibrant well established development community SE that supports its primary user base, and has over 4k answers on the topic.  Why would we not want to migrate the questions over to that community- if only for consistency." CreationDate="2015-10-08T21:15:24.820" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19695" PostId="8415" Score="0" Text="@EEAA I do not disagree with your point about cpanel, yet admins are often forced to use it (much like the question on legacy software) While vagrant isn't cpanel, its not a tool primarily used by admins, which was the bar.  If you are lowering the bar to _anything_ that could used by an admin, that's fine wth me but it should not be a &quot;I like that tool so its in&quot; policy.  We should have a clear policy.  Since SO have clearly concluded that vagrant is not an admin tool, since most of the questions are not from admins at all, IMHO the consistent answer to the question is migrate." CreationDate="2015-10-08T21:26:05.640" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19666" PostId="8416" Score="2" Text="I skip probably over half of the questions I see in the review queue. Why do you feel like you're not getting anywhere? There are a lot of people in here reviewing, you're not personally responsible for other peoples contents. Judging those you feel comfortable judging should be all anyone expects of you." CreationDate="2015-10-07T11:52:09.687" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19668" PostId="8416" Score="2" Text="I skip pretty much everything involving Windows, because I really don't have the requisite knowledge to be able to see if they're good enough. (I can still fix language or formatting issues, but I can't really make any informed decisions about the content.)" CreationDate="2015-10-07T14:11:08.290" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19670" PostId="8416" Score="0" Text="Well, these comments as well as HBruijn's answer make me feel better about myself. I keep feeling like I am failing in someway to keep hitting &quot;skip&quot;" CreationDate="2015-10-07T17:12:24.150" UserId="57332" />
  <row Id="19671" PostId="8416" Score="0" Text="I frequently use &quot;Skip&quot; and &quot;No Action Needed,&quot; but I'm also more generous with First Posts because, well.  If it's a reasonable post, I like to do my part to get them past the &quot;can't comment or include pics in my post&quot; restrictions." CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:03:43.177" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="19672" PostId="8418" Score="0" Text="If so, it's still in support, and not actually EOL.  https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/gp/lifewinembed" CreationDate="2015-10-07T20:05:52.950" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="19673" PostId="8418" Score="0" Text="While I agree with the statement that there should be no strict rule, I very much disagree with the idea that EOL is a nebulous concept. Nothing is ever 100% foolproof, but I think we can safely say that if someone comes on ServerFault with a problem related to the usage of a Legacy product, they probably don't have extended support. I would be amazed if anyone payed the vast sums required to receive extended support and still come to a Q&amp;A site as a matter of first resort." CreationDate="2015-10-08T08:22:15.750" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19674" PostId="8418" Score="0" Text="@Reaces EOL is nebulous. As I still got update for xp, and i dont talk xp pos.  How? Special contract, but xp is tagged eol, unlike xp pos. Nebulous isnt it?" CreationDate="2015-10-08T12:05:04.087" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19678" PostId="8418" Score="0" Text="@Reaces You dont get my point, extended support is an valid option. If you cant migrate  2000 pc in example in times, or such. While your opinion would close the question as the product would be eol. It's that point, that make eol date nebulous." CreationDate="2015-10-08T12:31:27.663" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19679" PostId="8418" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 No??? I never said EoL was off topic! I simply said end of life is not a confusing statement, whether you have extended support or not your product is end of life and as such any assistance you may get here is probably not as good as it would be for a newer product. But you still deserve  an answer if one is possible, and your question should not be closed! You should just expect to get comments about the lifespan and suggestions involving upgrading." CreationDate="2015-10-08T12:32:23.563" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19680" PostId="8418" Score="0" Text="@Reaces ok, misread, but I edited, to show what I mean by nebulous" CreationDate="2015-10-08T12:33:07.853" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19681" PostId="8418" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 I deleted some of the comments, as it was getting out of hand. I stand by my statement that no matter what, a product that is EoL can and should be treated differently. Extended support or not, your question is a lot less likely to receive good answers as the amount of uncertainties surrounding it increase. As such there is nothing nebulous about the statement. Support or no, the circumstances around your product vary from peoples past experiences when combined with newer products. And a suggestion of upgrading is often very likely." CreationDate="2015-10-08T12:37:23.880" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19687" PostId="8421" Score="2" Text="Possibly. I'm still reserving judgment on it; anything that _advertises_ that it lets developers deploy to production worries me." CreationDate="2015-10-08T14:50:20.977" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19688" PostId="8421" Score="3" Text="Understood. There are a ton of utilities that would let developers deploy to production, and I don't think that we should throw the baby out with the bathwater. With both Otto and Vagrant, I think a more nuanced approach is warranted. I'll gladly close questions for both if they're blatantly off-topic." CreationDate="2015-10-08T15:27:50.100" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19697" PostId="8422" Score="2" Text="You could always upvote one of the answers, to prevent the question from being popped up periodically..." CreationDate="2015-10-09T03:30:54.617" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19698" PostId="8422" Score="1" Text="How about autoclosing any unanswered question whose owner has left sf, as such q can never get an accepted answer?" CreationDate="2015-10-09T07:11:38.007" UserId="229663" />
  <row Id="19699" PostId="8422" Score="0" Text="@Dani_l Answering the OP isn't the only goal though. Though it is the main goal and the drive for the site. Creating a repository of knowledge is also a part of the SE motivaiton." CreationDate="2015-10-09T08:09:28.790" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19700" PostId="8422" Score="2" Text="@womble that presupposes that you know that one or more of the answers is correct  and you are inclined to vote ( [far too many SF players aren't](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6418/on-the-paucity-of-voting) )." CreationDate="2015-10-09T09:17:54.673" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19701" PostId="8422" Score="1" Text="@Reaces I think the issue getting muddied here is peer-review as a system of knowledge rating and verification - if peer review fails, for any reason, you can no longer derive anything from whatever is left as you can no longer rely on the knowledge to be &quot;true&quot;. Accepting an answer, above all else, is a clear indication of the truthfulness/helpfulness of an answer. If that goal can't be reached, what is the point?" CreationDate="2015-10-09T09:22:54.860" UserId="229663" />
  <row Id="19702" PostId="8422" Score="1" Text="@Dani_l I usually find that the amount of votes is a better indication of the peer review system than the acceptation of the answer. Especially considering there might be several valid solutions but only one can be accepted." CreationDate="2015-10-09T10:06:27.670" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19703" PostId="8422" Score="0" Text="@Dani_l We have a number of answers where the accepted answer is clearly wrong. Voting is peer review, sadly, there is demonstrably all too little of that - SF really is little better than a random blog on the internet." CreationDate="2015-10-09T10:40:52.290" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19696" PostId="8423" Score="1" Text="The mechanism for auto deletion is called the roomba. See http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/78048/enable-automatic-deletion-of-old-unanswered-zero-score-questions-after-a-year/92006#92006 and http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/173513/turbocharging-the-roomba-solutions-for-premature-deletion" CreationDate="2015-10-09T03:25:44.153" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="19707" PostId="8428" Score="7" Text="J wouldn't bother mucking around, but rather would just restore the user's home directory from the most recent known-good backup." CreationDate="2015-10-12T04:04:12.060" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19708" PostId="8428" Score="0" Text="@EEAA i just emailed J about how to remove the broken installation.  i'll post an update here when she responds.  but rather than try to guess what J would or wouldn't do, why not just give that as an answer to my question: i.e., Q: how do i remove `glibc`? A: don't bother.  just restore the most recent known-good backup.  then J might respond, &quot;i can't, because . . .&quot;  or she might respond, &quot;ah, yes, that worked.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-10-12T04:05:42.480" UserId="200822" />
  <row Id="19710" PostId="8428" Score="1" Text="@EEAA i guess my broader point is this: i understand closing questions when they can't be answered or when the required answer is so long it wouldn't be feasible for anyone to write it out.  but why close a question because answering it is too easy?" CreationDate="2015-10-12T04:14:12.980" UserId="200822" />
  <row Id="19711" PostId="8428" Score="0" Text="Your question was not closed because it was too easy. Please don't put words in our mouths. We made it very clear why your question was closed." CreationDate="2015-10-12T04:15:44.320" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19713" PostId="8428" Score="0" Text="@EEAA sorry, i should have said, &quot;why close a question when answering it is so easy?&quot;  but i guess your answer would be that you (and the other members of this site) don't want to have to answer questions like this.  and it is in part because they're too easy -- i.e., because they're so easy, a professional IT admin would never ask them." CreationDate="2015-10-12T04:17:47.150" UserId="200822" />
  <row Id="19714" PostId="8428" Score="0" Text="@EEAA this is comparable to people who ask ELL questions on the english site and people who ask basic math questions on mathoverflow (which is meant for professional mathematicians).  as for those cases, there is at least one site for amateurs where the kind of question i want to ask can be asked." CreationDate="2015-10-12T04:19:06.033" UserId="200822" />
  <row Id="19715" PostId="8428" Score="1" Text="http://unix.stackexchange.com/" CreationDate="2015-10-12T04:20:17.053" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19716" PostId="8428" Score="2" Text="@EEAA exactamente.  or SO, or super user." CreationDate="2015-10-12T04:22:15.593" UserId="200822" />
  <row Id="19712" PostId="8429" Score="0" Text="yeah, fair enough.  i don't care too much to fight for this question here, as it does seem to be on-topic for a number of other SE sites.  but i figured i'd fight for it a little." CreationDate="2015-10-12T04:15:53.213" UserId="200822" />
  <row Id="19719" PostId="8429" Score="0" Text="for what it's worth, restoring the system to a known-good state -- i.e., the most recent back-up -- is not a good solution in this case.  back-ups are made once a day.  there's a lot of work i did on the day when this problematic package was installed that i don't want to lose.  but i think this underscores why this question doesn't work here.  that is the sort of answer an IT admin would provide.  and it's a bad one for this question." CreationDate="2015-10-12T05:08:01.053" UserId="200822" />
  <row Id="19720" PostId="8429" Score="3" Text="...which gets us back to the system's owner knowing their system. In that case, they would nab a copy of your critical data and then restore to a known food state." CreationDate="2015-10-12T05:11:15.497" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19768" PostId="8429" Score="2" Text="`restoring the system to a known-good state ... is not a good solution in this case.` - Why?  The sysadmin could simply restore to a temporary location, and then compare directories. That would give you the same information you got from the `find` command in that stackoverflow answer you seemed to like." CreationDate="2015-10-14T22:54:29.550" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="19718" PostId="8430" Score="6" Text="[sf] is also &quot;completely allergic to anything with the word home / residential.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-10-12T05:01:19.800" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19722" PostId="8431" Score="0" Text="Thanks for providing your reasoning, Michael. I understand that an answer from this site will not fix the problem, but I do want to know HOW to get this problem fixed (or who to push to get it fixed). I don't want to just say &quot;oh well&quot;, guess I'll use someone else's Internet till this IP gets dumped on someone else, so they can waste two days with L1 tech support. In any case, thanks." CreationDate="2015-10-12T05:24:21.433" UserId="250740" />
  <row Id="19723" PostId="8431" Score="3" Text="You can call your ISP, but they'll spend an hour giving you the runaround, and you're not likely to get anyone on the phone who can actually diagnose the problem." CreationDate="2015-10-12T05:25:36.760" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19724" PostId="8431" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I was afraid of that BEFORE spending said time with Comcast. :)" CreationDate="2015-10-12T05:28:05.887" UserId="250740" />
  <row Id="19725" PostId="8431" Score="0" Text="Comcast? Unplugging the cable modem for ~ 30-60 minutes should get you a new IP address. Good luck." CreationDate="2015-10-12T05:31:16.337" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19726" PostId="8432" Score="0" Text="i asked this question here, on SO, on super user, and on unix/linux.  it received a [great answer](http://stackoverflow.com/a/33072133/2623899) on SO.  so yeah, it was double-dipping to try to stick it here, and i agree with the decision to close/migrate.  (at the time i was fighting for it, it hadn't yet been answered elsewhere.)" CreationDate="2015-10-12T06:30:43.433" UserId="200822" />
  <row Id="19727" PostId="8432" Score="3" Text="Please do not post the same question on multiple sites. It is clearly against the rules of StackExchange. If I'd seen the question I would have closed it for that reason." CreationDate="2015-10-12T06:31:42.600" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19728" PostId="8432" Score="0" Text="i suppose responding to this would be more appropriate on yet another meta discussion, but . . . when it's unclear where a question belongs, posting to multiple sites is the most efficient way to find out.  had i posted to just one site, i'd still be waiting for an answer.  in fact, if the site i chose was other than SO, i might be waiting for an answer forever.  i'm going to delete the versions of the question that haven't been answered.  so, as far as i'm concerned (though i'm *sure* others will disagree), no harm, no foul." CreationDate="2015-10-12T06:37:20.437" UserId="200822" />
  <row Id="19729" PostId="8432" Score="0" Text="@dbliss There are mechanisms in place for moving good questions to places where they will likely get a good answer if they are not topical where you asked them. Posting to multiple sites just annoys people, the very people you want to help you. Please don't do it." CreationDate="2015-10-12T06:40:29.857" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19730" PostId="8432" Score="3" Text="You are effectively saying &quot;I know the rules, but I will ignore them when it suits me&quot;. This is rude - which you may not consider &quot;harm&quot;. It is also wasting people's time on multiple platforms - which is both rude and harmful. Again, please don't do that." CreationDate="2015-10-12T06:41:00.093" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19731" PostId="8432" Score="0" Text="@Iain agreed, but those mechanisms are slow.  JennyD i guess in a highly indirect way i am being rude.  but i think there is another perspective here.  it would be nice if these rules were a perfect fit to reality, but of course rules never are.  the reality is that different people patrol different SE sites, and many times questions are suitable for multiple SE sites.  posting to multiple sites is the best way to get everyone who may have an answer to see your question as quickly as possible.  but i see that there are situations in which that is annoying.  so i probably won't do it anymore." CreationDate="2015-10-12T06:45:42.850" UserId="200822" />
  <row Id="19732" PostId="8432" Score="0" Text="@JennyD the best system, i think, would be to allow multi-posting, but have all the questions link to each other.  but, again, this is probably a conversation that is best off held somewhere else.  (what annoys me, by the way, is multi-posting on *the same* SE site, which i see fairly regularly.)" CreationDate="2015-10-12T06:48:23.920" UserId="200822" />
  <row Id="19735" PostId="8432" Score="0" Text="@dbliss That conversation has already been asked and answered on Meta-SE - see http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/64068/is-cross-posting-a-question-on-multiple-stack-exchange-sites-permitted-if-the-qu Now would be a good time for you to stop digging your hole deeper." CreationDate="2015-10-12T07:43:48.313" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19760" PostId="8432" Score="0" Text="@JennyD indubitably it has -- indeed, i upvoted the accepted answer there who knows how long ago -- but if you look at the most up-voted comments there, you'll see that this issue is quite controversial.  &quot;stop digging your hole&quot; -- why do you all have to be so adversarial?  i asked a question.  i got an answer.  can we all just *let this go*?" CreationDate="2015-10-12T08:11:37.363" UserId="200822" />
  <row Id="19761" PostId="8432" Score="8" Text="@dbliss Why? Probably because you're a) being rude, b) refusing to abide by site rules, c) accusing others of being self-centered for not being willing to spend their time handling your problems for you despite said problems being blatantly off-topic, and d) even after accepting one answer you are still arguing against it." CreationDate="2015-10-12T08:16:03.573" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19733" PostId="8433" Score="0" Text="haha, a bit vainglorious (sorry, did i say a bit?), but yes, this is the answer.  i have indeed been educated . . . about serverfault.com.  everything in this answer had already been stated elsewhere, but this is the best summary of the relevant points." CreationDate="2015-10-12T07:38:42.207" UserId="200822" />
  <row Id="19734" PostId="8433" Score="0" Text="wait, on rereading, i realized you said, &quot;your system administrator . . . knew what to do and fixed your problem for you.&quot;  this is false.  why do you think my system administrator fixed my problem for me?  the answer i got came from SO -- and, for what it's worth, it was an answer that none of the sys admins here came up with (though the sys admins here did come up with answers that *didn't* work for me)." CreationDate="2015-10-12T07:40:29.033" UserId="200822" />
  <row Id="19736" PostId="8433" Score="0" Text="@dbliss I think what Iain means is that `Luckily, my system administrator was able to move my .bashrc -- which was pointing to the broken glibc under my home directory -- and revert me to a default .bashrc. So I can log into my account again and do stuff.&#xA;` that was your first and direct problem solved. The cleanup that followed was only that, cleanup." CreationDate="2015-10-12T07:44:24.400" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19738" PostId="8433" Score="3" Text="@dbliss please remember your `terminological inexactitude`, believe it or not, we read stuff and remember it here. Your question clearly sates `Luckily, my system administrator was able to move my .bashrc` is that not true ?" CreationDate="2015-10-12T07:46:10.390" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19755" PostId="8433" Score="0" Text="be careful with your vaingloriousness here, because you're risking looking like a fool.  what my sys admin helped me with *was not the problem i posted about on serverfault.*  as @Reaces points out, the sys admin helped with an initial problem, which led me to the cleanup, which is what i posted to serverfault about." CreationDate="2015-10-12T08:07:27.907" UserId="200822" />
  <row Id="19769" PostId="8437" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification" CreationDate="2015-10-15T10:14:07.260" UserId="247139" />
  <row Id="19773" PostId="8440" Score="0" Text="For the record, I don't *object*, I'm just puzzled." CreationDate="2015-10-21T20:57:31.850" UserId="94065" />
  <row Id="19781" PostId="8441" Score="0" Text="http://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/354458/user-posts-per-week Shows no real change in posts per week." CreationDate="2015-10-22T10:14:20.110" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19792" PostId="8441" Score="0" Text="I was thinking also that there might be fewer reviewers taking the time and effort to identify problematic posts." CreationDate="2015-10-27T04:51:49.760" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="19774" PostId="8442" Score="0" Text="In this case, I believe that all (current) versions are affected." CreationDate="2015-10-22T03:05:19.173" UserId="94065" />
  <row Id="19775" PostId="8442" Score="0" Text="In that case the well used generic [tag:windows], which you already used to tag your question, is preferable to creating a new tag." CreationDate="2015-10-22T04:28:06.617" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="19778" PostId="8442" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn: a *new* tag?  OK, that would explain why there were no other questions, and why you removed it; but I certainly didn't *intend* to create a new tag.  How do you tell the difference?" CreationDate="2015-10-22T06:41:09.293" UserId="94065" />
  <row Id="19779" PostId="8442" Score="1" Text="According to [this](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/62591/187745) there's supposed to be a warning when you create a new tag; no such warning was shown.  Perhaps someone else had already created it?  Or perhaps the warning system is malfunctioning?" CreationDate="2015-10-22T06:53:07.847" UserId="94065" />
  <row Id="19807" PostId="8443" Score="0" Text="The implication of my post is either (1) there are fewer posts than usual....OR (2) there are fewer people actively reviewing posts thus fewer entries OR (3) there are many more people reviewing posts. I was thinking the reason was (1).....maybe (3)?" CreationDate="2015-10-29T05:58:51.343" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="19813" PostId="8443" Score="0" Text="The _number_ of questions in the close queue doesn't seem to be unusual." CreationDate="2015-10-29T12:19:45.887" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19783" PostId="8444" Score="1" Text="OK.  As previously mentioned, I was not aware it was a new tag.  If I'd known, I wouldn't have used it.  (I don't really understand why it is considered undesirable, but that's OK; I'll take your word for it.)" CreationDate="2015-10-22T22:44:02.103" UserId="94065" />
  <row Id="19793" PostId="8448" Score="3" Text="I'd be surprised if you couldn't get this info with the [SF data explorer](http://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/queries); with a bit of luck, someone will already have written one, or something like it you can adapt." CreationDate="2015-10-27T08:22:04.313" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="19794" PostId="8448" Score="2" Text="And if you can't find one and don't know / want to write one, give a holla. I'm sure I have some free time later on to try and cobble one up." CreationDate="2015-10-27T09:14:18.993" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19798" PostId="8448" Score="0" Text="Go for it!....................." CreationDate="2015-10-27T23:40:58.453" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="19795" PostId="8449" Score="1" Text="Pop in at the weekend you'll see a lot more." CreationDate="2015-10-27T22:15:49.063" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19797" PostId="8449" Score="1" Text="Thats why I always select by 'newest', not 'active'" CreationDate="2015-10-27T22:34:27.727" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19800" PostId="8449" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 I'm going to ask a stupid question now. How do I select 'newest'? I don't see that option on the homepage." CreationDate="2015-10-28T10:16:28.857" UserId="246657" />
  <row Id="19804" PostId="8449" Score="0" Text="@Steve365: If you select the red `Questions` box to the right of the site logo you will get to http://serverfault.com/questions. From there you can select tabs like &quot;newest&quot;, &quot;featured&quot; etc. The absolute URL is http://serverfault.com/questions?sort=newest" CreationDate="2015-10-28T14:17:37.710" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19806" PostId="8449" Score="0" Text="@Sven Aha! Perfect. Many thanks indeed :)" CreationDate="2015-10-28T17:00:42.140" UserId="246657" />
  <row Id="19796" PostId="8450" Score="0" Text="Are they truly random? For some reason, I thought they were based off of recently-active tags." CreationDate="2015-10-27T22:24:20.553" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19799" PostId="8450" Score="0" Text="Thanks, that explains that then! :)" CreationDate="2015-10-28T10:15:03.793" UserId="246657" />
  <row Id="19801" PostId="8452" Score="0" Text="There certainly is overlap between Serverfault, SuperUser and Unix&amp;Linux with regards both  **topics** and tags you'll find there, but a big distinction with regards to both **target audience** (SF aims at professionals) and **environment** (no home use/hobby kit on SF), which is as much a consideration with regards to topicality." CreationDate="2015-10-28T10:32:33.230" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="19802" PostId="8452" Score="1" Text="You might also ask the [su] audience why they often do not send _business_ environment questions here!" CreationDate="2015-10-28T11:45:25.673" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19805" PostId="8452" Score="0" Text="It would be a massive waste of time and effort to wrap everything in a &quot;this is for my job and I need it to do x, y, z&quot; wrapper. It's much easier to assume good faith and consider that every question that could be related to a business environment, is related to a business environment." CreationDate="2015-10-28T16:15:36.027" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19803" PostId="8453" Score="5" Text="I wish I could upvote that last paragraph more." CreationDate="2015-10-28T13:56:48.533" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19808" PostId="8454" Score="0" Text="How does this split into Q &amp; A ?" CreationDate="2015-10-29T08:49:19.903" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19809" PostId="8454" Score="0" Text="@Iain You want me to turn this into a comment?" CreationDate="2015-10-29T08:50:29.743" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19810" PostId="8454" Score="0" Text="@Iain or did I misread you and is this what you ment [Segregated in Questions  and Answers](http://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/382028/posts-per-rep-group?year=2015&amp;PostType=2). Putting it all in one result might be a bit crowded." CreationDate="2015-10-29T09:08:39.067" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19811" PostId="8454" Score="0" Text="I was interested in the split between Q and A - thanks for the update." CreationDate="2015-10-29T11:17:11.623" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19812" PostId="8454" Score="1" Text="Monthly averages might allow you to show the longer term trends. The really dramatic split between people &lt;1000 and &gt;1000 asking questions is interesting. I think that shows the split between the cluefull and the rest." CreationDate="2015-10-29T11:37:10.200" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19904" PostId="8456" Score="0" Text="IMO, http://serverfault.com/questions/734026/local-administrator-as-default-choice-when-in-domain is a recent, valid use of the tag.  (just a reference)" CreationDate="2015-11-05T16:48:32.087" UserId="255009" />
  <row Id="19820" PostId="8457" Score="5" Text="I am having trouble coming up with a _reason_ for this tag. Who would follow it? Why would they care?" CreationDate="2015-10-31T20:11:48.013" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19821" PostId="8457" Score="0" Text="Agreed. I think it should go. Far too broad to be of any use." CreationDate="2015-10-31T20:13:55.987" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19823" PostId="8458" Score="0" Text="It seems to be used on a lot of Windows questions, involving the 'administrator' account. The tag-wiki should probably be updated." CreationDate="2015-11-01T03:21:53.907" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="19853" PostId="8458" Score="5" Text="Many of those are permission problems and the much more specific 'permission' tag should be used. Generally, I would say, that in every case the tag 'administrator' was used, a more specific tag should have been chosen." CreationDate="2015-11-02T08:54:49.397" UserId="188837" />
  <row Id="19822" PostId="8459" Score="0" Text="Mark, what's the ID of your old account?" CreationDate="2015-10-31T21:43:34.177" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19844" PostId="8459" Score="0" Text="My id is 1241224. Thanks!" CreationDate="2015-11-02T06:37:01.943" UserId="140957" />
  <row Id="19847" PostId="8459" Score="0" Text="Can you provide links to both your old and new profiles? Alternatively, use the [Contact us](http://meta.serverfault.com/contact) form to request that they be merged." CreationDate="2015-11-02T08:28:14.373" UserId="29445" />
  <row Id="19856" PostId="8459" Score="0" Text="http://stackoverflow.com/users/1241224/mark-mcginty; http://meta.serverfault.com/users/301140/mark-mcginty" CreationDate="2015-11-02T12:29:35.053" UserId="140957" />
  <row Id="19845" PostId="8460" Score="0" Text="What an odd way to vet the reputability of a registrar. Why not just do some market research on the many sites that do reviews of registrars?" CreationDate="2015-11-02T07:36:25.090" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19849" PostId="8460" Score="0" Text="Do *any* of the websites list the methods they use to gather data? The only site that I found was this guy (fairly awesome analysis and really useful): https://blog.legitscript.com/2015/01/story-behind-icanns-breach-notice-netlynx/ unfortunately he says: **&quot;were able to grab a good chunk of them for analysis — just over 7,000.&quot;** without describing how he was able to grab so many records and since its 2015 it's unlikely to be a zone transfer. Hence my question. (of course it contradicts the so called experts here, but end of the day he provides me with useful info)" CreationDate="2015-11-02T08:38:59.770" UserDisplayName="user176193" />
  <row Id="19855" PostId="8460" Score="2" Text="@Vek.M1234 I think we just have fundamentally different opinions on what is important when choosing a registrar. As long as you stick to one of the larger players, the only thing I really care about are: how is their interface / what is their customer support like. I can't imagine choosing a registrar that ends up getting an ICANN breach notice. Those that do are generally not large, public, corporately used registrars." CreationDate="2015-11-02T12:00:30.917" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19858" PostId="8460" Score="0" Text="So as not to bother Iain further, I'll mention this here rather than on Iain's answer: A large majority of active ServerFault users voted to bring Sven in as a moderator, and his views on what is and is not on-topic were plainly stated at the time of his election run. Same with all other ServerFault moderators. If Sven closed it outright, and also no other moderator chose to re-open, then consider that a majority-consensus. This is, however, ignoring the fact that five ServerFault users voting to close a question would also be considered a professional consensus by StackExchange thought." CreationDate="2015-11-02T17:37:02.577" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="19824" PostId="8461" Score="3" Text="Yes, that was my reasoning exactly - I don't see this as a system admin task, and I don't see a practical way how this knowledge could help to &quot;filter out the nasty creeps&quot; - I think that's just a made-up argument." CreationDate="2015-11-01T21:21:42.933" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19825" PostId="8461" Score="0" Text="I don't follow: In a business environment one has to research registrars before purchasing from them - all the more reason to figure out who their clients are and what they do (a large number of shady pharmaceutical companies implies unethical practices). It MOST CERTAINLY is the sys-admins task!" CreationDate="2015-11-02T02:18:48.543" UserDisplayName="user176193" />
  <row Id="19826" PostId="8461" Score="0" Text="&quot;no reasonably practical way to do what you want for many registrars.&quot; that is not grounds for the question being marked Offtopic." CreationDate="2015-11-02T02:31:39.853" UserDisplayName="user176193" />
  <row Id="19832" PostId="8461" Score="0" Text="@Vek.M1234 `&quot;no reasonably practical way to do what you want for many registrars.&quot; that is not grounds for the question being marked Offtopic.` Yes it is." CreationDate="2015-11-02T04:01:23.410" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="19833" PostId="8461" Score="4" Text="@Vek.M1234 `It MOST CERTAINLY is the sys-admins task! ` No it isn't." CreationDate="2015-11-02T04:01:49.453" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="19835" PostId="8461" Score="0" Text="1. cite please: link to where it says that the subject matter at hand has to have a practical way. 2. zone transfer is one way to do this (if the server was mis-configured) - so it's on-topic anyways." CreationDate="2015-11-02T04:10:14.747" UserDisplayName="user176193" />
  <row Id="19840" PostId="8461" Score="0" Text="@Vek.M1234 Close reason: `Questions should demonstrate reasonable business information technology management practices. Questions that relate to unsupported hardware or software platforms or unmaintained environments may not be suitable for Server Fault - see the help center.` The question would broadly fall under that, most comfortably. If 9 out of 10 sysadmins say something isn't a reasonable business practice, it isn't. Or in ServerFault parlance, if 5 users vote something as off topic, then it is. Or even worse, if a question is so awful that a mod has to hammer it dead, then let it die =D" CreationDate="2015-11-02T04:59:15.350" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="19841" PostId="8461" Score="0" Text="mm **might is right** we are the majority, we think this is right: therefore it is." CreationDate="2015-11-02T05:06:46.560" UserDisplayName="user176193" />
  <row Id="19843" PostId="8461" Score="4" Text="@Vek.M1234 You described an Ochlocracy, but in reality ServerFault is more like a Democracy. There's a difference between tyranny of the majority and professional consensus. For example, while there's plenty of evidence that *could* be presented by medical professionals to argue against binding wounds with duct tape, in a professional setting any question regarding duct tape as a medical instrument would simply be shut down as a matter of professional consensus for self-evident outlandishness, amateurs with anecdotal evidence of duct tape as a band-aid notwithstanding." CreationDate="2015-11-02T06:00:35.723" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="19851" PostId="8461" Score="0" Text="it's only a professional consensus when all users vote (or a large majority) which is why 'voting' is compulsory." CreationDate="2015-11-02T08:50:23.150" UserDisplayName="user176193" />
  <row Id="19852" PostId="8461" Score="0" Text="I have said everything I have to say on this matter.  Please stop polluting my inbox with your squabbling. If you continue to do so I will consider you to be harassing me and take appropriate actions. If you wish to continue this then take it to chat." CreationDate="2015-11-02T08:54:09.870" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19830" PostId="8463" Score="0" Text="I agree that general business questions need to be avoided (hiring, advancement). However note that: I am not asking for *ALL* ways to research a registrar eg: company SEC filings, annual reports etc (these are business filings and accountants handle this). My question was specific to computation of domains under a registrar and who they were. Zone Transfer is one way except that it doesn't work nowadays. Interpreting ICANN data is another way and this is a perfectly valid sys-admin job and on-topic because they are technical (only a sys-admin would understand)!" CreationDate="2015-11-02T03:05:45.343" UserDisplayName="user176193" />
  <row Id="19846" PostId="8463" Score="0" Text="&quot;Only a sysadmin would understand&quot; is demonstrably untrue. It's generally speaking not sysadmins who code the DNS servers. And even if it were true, you are still not asking a technical question about how to administer systems - you are asking about ways to get information about other people's systems. There's a distinction there." CreationDate="2015-11-02T08:25:32.543" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19854" PostId="8463" Score="0" Text="This is what was cited as a reason for the Hold: `Questions should demonstrate **reasonable** business information technology **management practices** -- Wesley` Ways to get information is a management matter which is perfectly legit. I stand corrected on &quot;Only a sysadmin would understand&quot; let that read &quot;a sysadmin would understand&quot;" CreationDate="2015-11-02T09:31:20.847" UserDisplayName="user176193" />
  <row Id="19884" PostId="8463" Score="1" Text="To Jenny's point: I'm no Paul Vixie, but I do eat DNS for breakfast, lunch, and sometimes dinner when the occasional CERT advisory calls for it. I definitely do not consider this to be a *reasonable* approach. It is certainly *possible* to obtain the information that you're looking for if you know people who can provide the right data, but for most people (read: anyone without the professional contacts that come from a career in DNS, ISPs, Security, or similar) this is not a realistic approach. Your curiosity is best served by speaking to the person who wrote the original article." CreationDate="2015-11-03T23:42:24.740" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="19834" PostId="8464" Score="0" Text="this may not be what you do, that's hardly our concern. this place is indexed by google and has a large audience - the **only** criteria is whether it is Off Topic as laid out by the charter. The impossibility/practicability of the task is irrelevant to Topic. Ditto ethics. Ditto the 'webmasters' suggestion though (friendly advice is welcome)." CreationDate="2015-11-02T04:05:23.447" UserDisplayName="user176193" />
  <row Id="19836" PostId="8464" Score="2" Text="Here's some friendly advice: The community decides what is on topic here, &quot;charter&quot; notwithstanding (and it won't stand, since it's editable)." CreationDate="2015-11-02T04:10:45.960" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19837" PostId="8464" Score="0" Text="then edit the charter to reflect the consensus - arbitrary and high handed behavior that violates the rules laid out in the charter is wrong" CreationDate="2015-11-02T04:16:11.480" UserDisplayName="user176193" />
  <row Id="19838" PostId="8464" Score="0" Text="Do you have a specific complaint? I see nothing that &quot;violates the rules laid out in the charter&quot; here." CreationDate="2015-11-02T04:20:46.797" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19839" PostId="8464" Score="0" Text="The charter states that questions regarding: `managing information technology systems in a business environment.` is a legitimate request. **How is a question on determining the domains under a registrar illegitimate, when it is essential to determining if the registrar is disreputable** (a large number of illegal pharmaceutical firms under one registrar is indicative of collusion)" CreationDate="2015-11-02T04:30:06.660" UserDisplayName="user176193" />
  <row Id="19842" PostId="8464" Score="6" Text="You are mistaken: Determining what domains a registrar has registered is in no way essential to determine if the registrar is disreputable. It's actually not necessary at all. That is probably why you do not understand why your question has been poorly received." CreationDate="2015-11-02T05:40:59.077" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19850" PostId="8464" Score="0" Text="tell that to this guy: https://blog.legitscript.com/2015/01/story-behind-icanns-breach-notice-netlynx/ &quot;We were not able to identify every domain name that NetLynx has in its portfolio, **but were able to grab a good chunk of them for analysis — just over 7,000.** I asked our team to look at domain names that 1) are currently active rogue Internet pharmacies;&quot;" CreationDate="2015-11-02T08:49:38.243" UserDisplayName="user176193" />
  <row Id="19857" PostId="8464" Score="3" Text="@Vek.M1234 Repeating yourself again and again is not going to get you anywhere." CreationDate="2015-11-02T16:55:57.633" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19859" PostId="8465" Score="0" Text="[Link to relevant SF chat log](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/127)." CreationDate="2015-11-03T02:34:54.237" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19863" PostId="8465" Score="3" Text="The only answer to &quot;Where if not here&quot; is clear:  It's absolutely not our task to find a spot for off-topic questions. Personally, I really don't care about such questions at all - post it anywhere but here." CreationDate="2015-11-03T02:44:13.850" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19864" PostId="8465" Score="0" Text="@Sven, it seems rather ironic you would say that, and post this as well http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/2341/worse-than-usenet-our-image-to-prospective-new-users" CreationDate="2015-11-03T02:48:27.197" UserId="192009" />
  <row Id="19865" PostId="8465" Score="0" Text="@mattburnett Can we just agree to stop with the ad hominem? That question has nothing to do with this discussion." CreationDate="2015-11-03T02:50:33.323" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19868" PostId="8465" Score="3" Text="How is this relevant? Did I state anywhere that we should work hard to find a place for every question? No, I didn't. Also, quite frankly, between that post and today are four years of crap questions and fruitless discussions with people who just can't accept a closed question and carry on." CreationDate="2015-11-03T02:54:55.847" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19869" PostId="8465" Score="0" Text="I considered your comment hostile, and the post of yours I linked had to do with hostility on SF. And now you're resorting to name calling..." CreationDate="2015-11-03T02:58:21.370" UserId="192009" />
  <row Id="19870" PostId="8465" Score="1" Text="Sven's comment was not hostile. It was pragmatic. Though we would love to find a home for every single question that gets asked on SF, it's just not possible. Very few of us are active in a meaningful way outside of Server Fault and as such, are not overly familiar with the topicality of the dozens of other SE sites." CreationDate="2015-11-03T03:02:45.037" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19871" PostId="8465" Score="0" Text="**NOTE** I'm going to caution all involved. Do not let comments here devolve into un-constructive behavior. We're all here trying to do the best we can, and this topic deserves an honest, yet respectful conversation." CreationDate="2015-11-03T03:02:54.540" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19872" PostId="8465" Score="1" Text="My comment wasn't hostile. I would call it direct, but pragmatic works as well. I edited it to reflect that while I believe that's really not our task to find a spot for OT questions, &quot;I don't care&quot; is primarily my personal view." CreationDate="2015-11-03T03:16:11.297" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19874" PostId="8465" Score="0" Text="If you consider saying you dont care and I should go anywhere but here as not hostile you may want to re-read the definition as it is unfriendly, inhospitable, oppositional and antagonistic. It was nice to see that you edited out the name calling however. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hostile" CreationDate="2015-11-03T03:22:54.483" UserId="192009" />
  <row Id="19875" PostId="8465" Score="4" Text="@mattburnett It's only categorically hostile, etc. if you have a deeply Amerocentric view of the world and communication. Sven is not from the U.S. You run into non-Americans once in a while on the Internet. Or so I hear." CreationDate="2015-11-03T03:46:17.170" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="19878" PostId="8465" Score="2" Text="Something that can't be seen because they are deleted is that we close that type of question regularly and will continue to do so. Broken windows theory is definitely appropriate here as you have so amply demonstrated. If you are going to do lab work for business do it properly not with a difficult/impossible to debug frankenstack." CreationDate="2015-11-03T06:30:01.927" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19861" PostId="8466" Score="0" Text="I can understand and agree with the idea that you would want to do something as close to production as possible, but not everyone can afford the hardware (or power bill) involved for a 3 node vSphere cluster. Doing things like this IMO is one of the selling points of virtualization." CreationDate="2015-11-03T02:40:22.377" UserId="192009" />
  <row Id="19862" PostId="8466" Score="4" Text="That's right, absolutely. But neither that point nor any of your other points give your question a right to be answered on SF." CreationDate="2015-11-03T02:41:56.940" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19866" PostId="8466" Score="0" Text="I'll sign on to this answer, with the caveat that I don't think nested virtualization _alone_ is sufficient to call something off-topic. It's something we're going to be seeing a lot more of in the next few years." CreationDate="2015-11-03T02:53:37.957" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19867" PostId="8466" Score="5" Text="@MichaelHampton Agreed. It will likely not involve VMware Workstation/Parallels/Virtualbox, though. God help me if it does." CreationDate="2015-11-03T02:54:34.487" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19876" PostId="8466" Score="4" Text="Even if nested ESXi is somewhat supported, it fails the reasonable practices test.  It's not an insane amount of money to run bare-metal ESXi on an old desktop or 2 or 3 and that would be a better learning setup." CreationDate="2015-11-03T06:04:41.787" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="19883" PostId="8467" Score="1" Text="+1000 for that last paragraph, Iain." CreationDate="2015-11-03T21:45:33.237" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20132" PostId="8467" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter and OP: I honestly cannot agree with the last paragraph on this answer. It's a rather combative approach to handling off-topic content. It doesn't take much effort to suggest a more appropriate venue for a particular question. This attitude will only turn users away from the Stack Exchange network." CreationDate="2016-01-01T01:20:05.830" UserId="76226" />
  <row Id="20133" PostId="8467" Score="1" Text="@bwDraco Actually it takes a lot of effort to do it right. You have to participate on the target site(s) and know what is a good question for them, there is more to a migration than the name. For example SF is no longer a migration target for SO because lots of people who did not participate here thought this was the right place to migrate questions based on the name Server Fault. We ended up closing most of them. http://meta.serverfault.com/q/3853/9517," CreationDate="2016-01-01T06:49:38.857" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19879" PostId="8468" Score="0" Text="A script is just a sequence of commands, a recipe. Some find it easier to write/think in PowerShell/shell than in pseudocode." CreationDate="2015-11-03T16:10:17.317" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="19880" PostId="8468" Score="2" Text="That one example is over a year old, the other example was closed and the contributors are all low rep infrequent users. Do you have any better examples?" CreationDate="2015-11-03T16:16:26.513" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19881" PostId="8468" Score="0" Text="It was recently refreshed by a comment.  The other is from a few days ago.  Age of a post is not relevant to the issue (IMHO)." CreationDate="2015-11-03T16:25:38.270" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="19882" PostId="8468" Score="7" Text="The age of the posts is relevant when you want to claim that something is a trend. It also matters if you want to make the argument that both seasoned and novice users are perpetuating the issue to show recent examples of both." CreationDate="2015-11-03T17:22:27.343" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19888" PostId="8468" Score="0" Text="I certainly don't condone them, but there appear to be a minority of users who do." CreationDate="2015-11-04T17:01:17.480" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19892" PostId="8468" Score="3" Text="Easy way to get rep on a site that doesn't make it easy perhaps?" CreationDate="2015-11-04T18:47:53.170" UserId="216511" />
  <row Id="19899" PostId="8468" Score="3" Text="@Sobrique Rep isn't the only thing out there though. Scripting is for some of us the most fun part of our job. Meanwhile in larger companies you don't get to do a lot of it (on a lot of our secure servers I only have ssms access, no access to the OS, so no chance to utilize scripts). That's why I at times answer powershell questions, I like writing powershell and don't get to do enough of it." CreationDate="2015-11-05T07:14:03.343" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19912" PostId="8468" Score="0" Text="I've learned with age on this site that these types of things don't fit neatly into Boolean logic.  Which is why it's nice to have the community police itself.  Some days &quot;it&quot; feels lenient and accepting, other days it is draconian and harsh to these questions.  To me it boils down to whether it is a &quot;help I'm not a programmer and have been struggling with this script for my needs for hours&quot;, or a &quot;gimme the codez&quot; question." CreationDate="2015-11-06T14:32:22.533" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="19913" PostId="8468" Score="1" Text="The one you noticed today was posted and answered by people new to the site. It was (appropriately, IMHO) moved to [unix.se] which does accept such questions." CreationDate="2015-11-06T17:14:30.007" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19939" PostId="8468" Score="0" Text="Some of these questions would be on-topic at http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com" CreationDate="2015-11-12T08:16:55.553" UserId="29296" />
  <row Id="19942" PostId="8468" Score="0" Text="Your second another example does not have an answer... So it isn't relevant. Your first another example was migrated, so again not relevant." CreationDate="2015-11-12T08:44:10.340" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19951" PostId="8468" Score="0" Text="I did that just so you'd have something more to comment on :D" CreationDate="2015-11-12T20:52:03.377" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="19953" PostId="8468" Score="0" Text="In IT's world scripting start to become more and more used. Did my Exchange cert and guess what, 3/4 of question is powershell cmdlet's usage. This comeback will make more and more question with script's answer on SF." CreationDate="2015-11-13T02:29:52.270" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19954" PostId="8468" Score="1" Text="@yagmoth555 not to play devil's advocate, but to me simple cmdlets aren't scripting, but that's just my opinion." CreationDate="2015-11-13T13:56:35.157" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="19955" PostId="8468" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner I like your opinion, as I thougth the same at first :) but mine changed when I seen advanced scripting in powershell. On my side I'am just to lazy to do big powershell script with the cmdlet, but I seen some that are big. At that point I feel not bad to call that &quot;scripting&quot;." CreationDate="2015-11-13T14:23:48.170" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19957" PostId="8468" Score="1" Text="@yagmoth555 MS definitely blurred the line now that PoSh is fully OOP." CreationDate="2015-11-13T14:39:27.650" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="19958" PostId="8468" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 - yep, that was my point...the Exchange cert questions are based on quick one or two line cmdlets...where to me &quot;scripting&quot; is taking multiple cmdlets or logic beyond just a quick one or two lines or piping." CreationDate="2015-11-13T16:56:02.050" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="19959" PostId="8468" Score="0" Text="@TheCleaner I understand, but my point is simply I could ask on SF a script to migrate all user mailbox from compagny A to a server X. For me it's a valid question as the GUI does not offer the same, even if &quot;ask for script to do X&quot;" CreationDate="2015-11-13T17:03:28.250" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19960" PostId="8468" Score="1" Text="@TheCleaner oh, I see your point, nvm." CreationDate="2015-11-13T17:04:42.720" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="19885" PostId="8469" Score="3" Text="I've answered some [code requests](http://serverfault.com/questions/628038/get-login-name-using-email-address-with-powershell/628043#628043). My reasoning is that I have a script library in my Dropbox for useful stuff. And when someone asks something for which I have a usage but not yet a script, and I have the time to quickly write it, I do. Scripting is the most fun and the least prevalent part of my job :(" CreationDate="2015-11-04T08:42:48.530" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19889" PostId="8472" Score="3" Text="If it allows me to work out a problem to better my own understanding, I'll do it.  I will answer questions about how to do something in Exchange or PowerShell all day long, and these often involve at least a `foreach`." CreationDate="2015-11-04T18:13:49.703" UserId="255009" />
  <row Id="20018" PostId="8475" Score="0" Text="Thanks! I'll leave a comment asking to create the  [tidal-scheduler] tag." CreationDate="2015-11-26T15:49:53.320" UserId="57482" />
  <row Id="19890" PostId="8476" Score="0" Text="What good would that do, though? What utility do we and other users of the site get from those tags? Who do you anticipate would follow an &quot;administrator-account&quot; tag, and why would it be better for them to follow that tag instead of a more specific tag?" CreationDate="2015-11-04T18:15:12.673" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19891" PostId="8476" Score="0" Text="There are specific security questions and best practices around use of the administrator account.  _Additionally_ tagging the OS in question would be helpful.  There are also multiple approaches to managing &quot;Administrator&quot; in Windows.  LAPS, built-in domain Administrator, etc.  I admit I have not reviewed the 200+ questions using the [tag:Administrator] tag, so I can't say how it was used in the past." CreationDate="2015-11-04T18:20:36.200" UserId="255009" />
  <row Id="19893" PostId="8477" Score="0" Text="Edited the links to be tags in stead, if you disagree feel free to rollback." CreationDate="2015-11-04T19:40:04.170" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19895" PostId="8477" Score="0" Text="@Reaces It is okay, thanks." CreationDate="2015-11-04T23:46:04.230" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19916" PostId="8477" Score="2" Text="Maybe the root tag should go as well. At least that one, though, is more limited in scope than &quot;administrator&quot;." CreationDate="2015-11-07T20:02:23.860" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19894" PostId="8478" Score="2" Text="https://i.stack.imgur.com/RE6BX.png" CreationDate="2015-11-04T23:11:26.407" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="19901" PostId="8478" Score="0" Text="Yep, that's it. But I submit it is (or can be)  a journey" CreationDate="2015-11-05T08:00:43.083" UserId="216511" />
  <row Id="19896" PostId="8479" Score="8" Text="Nobody thinks questions related to scripting are off-topic.  However, requests by people for others to do their job for them have always been frowned upon, so &quot;I need a script to do x; write it for me&quot; is totally out.  That's all.  &quot;What is wrong with my script&quot; and &quot;what is the technique used to script x&quot; are perfectly fine by me." CreationDate="2015-11-05T00:22:18.197" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="19897" PostId="8479" Score="0" Text="@FalconMomot I edited my answer." CreationDate="2015-11-05T00:26:43.143" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19898" PostId="8479" Score="0" Text="This is probably one of your more balanced answers. I agree with the 4 points, however I think you should drop the reference to the old cleanups. We all know you disagree with what was done there, but it doesn't help to bring it up time and again. Also, closing =/= destruction, make sure you keep the distinction in mind." CreationDate="2015-11-05T07:11:09.730" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19900" PostId="8479" Score="1" Text="@Reaces That cpanel questions are long deleted since the latest great purging. And their behavior shows clear signs that they are very ready to exterminate a considerable part of the site, again. Well, maybe their behavior won't change only because of my disagreement, but anyways it needs to be documented that a disagreement at least existed." CreationDate="2015-11-05T07:53:14.757" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="19910" PostId="8479" Score="0" Text="@peterh Fair enough, I personally like scripting and scripting questions, and I'm sure a lot of other people do as well. And it is a lot more on-topic than hosting panel questions (any sysadmin worth his salt should have written a few scripts in the main languages of the OS' he supports!), so let's see how this pans out." CreationDate="2015-11-06T07:52:30.670" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19902" PostId="8480" Score="5" Text="While I can see some practical interest in this notion, I think ServerFault in general, as a community, is loathe to make it easier for those using shared hosting to litter the site with questions about why their web app isn't working. Questions involving web hosting control panels are off topic anyway, so I think a vast majority of questions that would be specific enough to [tag:godaddy] for example would be closed anyway." CreationDate="2015-11-05T16:18:40.267" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="19903" PostId="8480" Score="0" Text="@Wesley makes sense and indeed I'm surprised to see several open ones, however as long as they're present I'd like them to be tidy. :)" CreationDate="2015-11-05T16:23:21.177" UserId="203035" />
  <row Id="19905" PostId="8480" Score="1" Text="Broken windows, etc." CreationDate="2015-11-05T16:49:12.363" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="19906" PostId="8480" Score="1" Text="Oh and don't sweat the downvotes. On meta sites it just means &quot;disagree with the idea&quot; not &quot;u suk loser&quot;" CreationDate="2015-11-05T19:30:53.200" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="19907" PostId="8480" Score="2" Text="@Wesley thanks for the note. I know from other SE metas, I wasn't offended. ;)" CreationDate="2015-11-05T19:48:41.410" UserId="203035" />
  <row Id="19908" PostId="8480" Score="4" Text="I think it would be preferable to get rid of [tag:dreamhost]" CreationDate="2015-11-05T21:30:48.730" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19911" PostId="8483" Score="5" Text="For terminal output, I think it's safe to say we generally prefer text copy/paste it stead of a screenshot." CreationDate="2015-11-06T12:06:52.700" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19940" PostId="8483" Score="0" Text="@EEAA And since semi-transparent terminals seem to be popular among some people, a screenshot of a terminal can also potentially leak information unexpectedly. I have seen one user leak a list of usernames and passwords that way." CreationDate="2015-11-12T08:36:08.963" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="19914" PostId="8486" Score="2" Text="A lot of those questions could just be migrated." CreationDate="2015-11-07T00:48:15.990" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19915" PostId="8486" Score="0" Text="Can we add some intelligence to suggest they post there depending on the combination of tags?" CreationDate="2015-11-07T03:03:37.453" UserId="200560" />
  <row Id="19917" PostId="8487" Score="3" Text="[unix.se] has an explicit rule against crossposting. It's even one of their off-topic close reasons." CreationDate="2015-11-07T21:53:04.380" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19962" PostId="8487" Score="0" Text="Its a general stackexchange policy (so I thought), they reference a meta post, but I can't find it as an official rule." CreationDate="2015-11-16T13:23:29.200" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19963" PostId="8487" Score="0" Text="The problem with many of the questions is that both of the VTC answers fit, if the only difference is that its not a business I'd probably refer it to superuser before U&amp;L unless it was specifically mentioned it was a home server" CreationDate="2015-11-16T13:31:15.057" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19919" PostId="8491" Score="8" Text="Is it even possible for you to proffer an answer without re-hashing all of the problems you have with SF? You may not realize this, but the constant whining and repetition damages your credibility on the site, so it shouldn't be surprising that your posts frequently collect down-votes. If you ever want to be able to successfully exert influence somewhere, you should work on *increasing* credibility, not damaging it." CreationDate="2015-11-10T14:17:49.800" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19920" PostId="8493" Score="0" Text="That's just it... it wasn't a config issue, it's a programmatic problem.  The code of the application needed to be fixed." CreationDate="2015-11-10T16:20:51.247" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="19921" PostId="8493" Score="0" Text="The question itself by itself is on-topic, that topicality doesn't get negated by an answer. Regardless of the fact that a complete answer requires some coding as well." CreationDate="2015-11-10T16:33:41.077" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="19922" PostId="8493" Score="0" Text="So all that's needed to make it on topic is a reference to the config file?  The error he mentions in the question points to a programmatic issue, he provided the config file for reference.  My question is sincere btw, trying to understand how to parse this as on topic." CreationDate="2015-11-10T16:55:46.500" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="19941" PostId="8493" Score="1" Text="@Colyn1337 The question is about administering a supported server, with well-known configuration files. The fact that the solution requires a bit of scripting is far from a reason to migrate. Spend your time and effort on bad questions and bad answers, don't bother with the fringe cases so much, there's enough work to go around." CreationDate="2015-11-12T08:40:05.023" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19982" PostId="8493" Score="0" Text="@eeaa So now I'm confused, what admin goes into a website and changes the code because they think its better?  I have never been in any (other than one man shops) where admin was suppose to change code.  This was not and never was a config of the server, it even said so directly in the answer &quot;You don't need to configure anything.&quot; At best the answer for out site should be &quot;yup that's a valid config&quot;" CreationDate="2015-11-20T00:30:50.370" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19983" PostId="8493" Score="0" Text="@JimB I'm not sure at all what your comment has to do (at least in a productive sense) with this discussion. Of course there are many, many instances where there are not strict boundaries between development and operations." CreationDate="2015-11-20T04:06:39.630" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19924" PostId="8494" Score="0" Text="Great answer. I agree 100%." CreationDate="2015-11-11T12:28:30.527" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19925" PostId="8494" Score="0" Text="Amen to that. I wish the flag mechanism would make it clearer that flags should only be used for cases where mod intervention is *required*. Everything that can be handled by votes doesn't fit that description." CreationDate="2015-11-11T12:29:02.993" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="19926" PostId="8494" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter I'd only point out that you need 3k rep to vote-to-close.  The only option available to me is to flag.  Beyond that, I certainly appreciate your comments." CreationDate="2015-11-11T12:50:33.993" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="19927" PostId="8494" Score="1" Text="Yes, I know that, which is why I mentioned increasing your rep first.  This isn't entirely elitism; it's also often true that by the time people have worked up to 3k rep, they've got a clearer idea of what does and doesn't fit on SF, and the methods for handling those cases.  I don't want to sound like a dick, but I can't find a gentler way of saying this, for which I apologise, so: moderators are **not** a Vote-To-Close substitute for users without 3k rep." CreationDate="2015-11-11T13:08:30.550" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="19928" PostId="8494" Score="0" Text="The question is valid on StackOverflow, why not migrate it?  I thought the purpose of migration was to move questions that could be answered on other SE sites to those sites.  I would presume VTC is for questions which aren't appropriate anywhere, no?" CreationDate="2015-11-11T13:52:55.163" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="19929" PostId="8494" Score="0" Text="That one of the options available under Vote-To-Close, so I might well have done that.  In this case, someone's already pointed out that it's been answered on SO, so they'd only have to close it as a duplicate after migration; I think it's rude for one admin action to give another set of admins work to do, so *in this particular case* I'd probably just VTC as off-topic.  Your suggestion's a good one in other circumstances, though." CreationDate="2015-11-11T13:55:37.577" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="19930" PostId="8494" Score="0" Text="When the question was originally flagged, there was no answer.  So at that point it would have been appropriate to flag for migration......  However, since then its been answered with a link back to StackOverflow which would make it VTC worthy......... Ok, I think I got it." CreationDate="2015-11-11T13:58:45.603" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="19931" PostId="8494" Score="1" Text="No.  You're getting the detail, but missing the main point: this question wasn't appropriate for flagging **at all**, because it's not egregiously bad.  It's arguably a candidate for vote-to-close-by-migration or vote-to-close-as-off-topic, depending on the presence of the existing answer, but **if you don't have the rep to VTC, don't try to participate in the process via moderator flags**.  Sven's comment above makes this point much more pithily." CreationDate="2015-11-11T14:18:56.103" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="19932" PostId="8494" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter Could you elaborate on what vote to close by migration is?  Is that the effect of moving the question to the appropriate SE site?  Additionally, reading the FAQ here http://serverfault.com/help/privileges/close-questions indicates that for someone without the 3k rep to VTC, flagging IS the appropriate measure." CreationDate="2015-11-11T16:00:00.597" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="19933" PostId="8494" Score="0" Text="@Colyn1337 exactly so.  One of the pre-supplied reasons for voting to close is &quot;*off-topic, because it belongs on another site*&quot;, with meta.SF, SO, SU, dba.SE and unix.SE being offered as alternatives.  If one of those attracts more of the five needed close votes than any other reason, the question is migrated.  Write some more great answers for us to upvote and you can find this all out soon enough." CreationDate="2015-11-11T16:05:48.077" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="19934" PostId="8494" Score="1" Text="@Colyn1337 the document you link to talks about when to VTC.  It only mentions flagging as an alternative **while linking to a post from SuperUser**.  SF is known to do things differently from many other SE sites, by virtue of our professional focus.  You have **two** moderators here telling you that you shouldn't be using flagging as a kind of low-rep VTC.  You don't have to listen to me - I'm just another user, albeit with a fairly high rep - but I really, strongly suggest that you listen to them." CreationDate="2015-11-11T16:09:59.097" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="19935" PostId="8494" Score="0" Text="My intent is not to ignore their guidance but to understand HOW and WHY.  Without those two, there's no way to prevent another flag in the future.  As I've said before, these are sincere questions, I want to know why this is so....... I'm not trying to buck authority.  However, without being able to see that there are other options (for higher rep users) than flagging, and noone to explain, there's no way to know different." CreationDate="2015-11-11T16:16:13.213" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="19936" PostId="8494" Score="0" Text="The way to prevent another flag in the future is **not to flag**!  I think the advice you've been given is simple: don't flag a question for closure unless it's **egregiously** off-topic (say, a question about video game cheat codes, or best methods for dealing with land drainage).  Questions which are in more of a grey area will get dealt with by the regulars with VTC privileges.  If you focus on writing more great answers, your rep will zoom to 3k *very* quickly, and then you *will* need to start worrying about this stuff - but by then, you should also have developed a feel for it." CreationDate="2015-11-11T16:27:33.140" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="19937" PostId="8494" Score="0" Text="I'm confused by your response because I didn't flag for closure.  I flagged for migration." CreationDate="2015-11-11T16:34:31.520" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="19938" PostId="8494" Score="1" Text="As far as we're concerned, **they are the same thing** - off-topic, duplicates, wrong site, unclear, overbroad, web-control-panel related, all these are standard reasons for closure, and a question that accumulates enough such votes is put on hold / migrated / closed as duplicate accordingly.  If you want to consider them differently, then adjust my previous comment so that it reads &quot;*don't flag for migration unless it's egregiously off-topic (say, a question about video game cheat codes, or best methods for dealing with land drainage)*&quot;." CreationDate="2015-11-11T16:47:00.107" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="19964" PostId="8494" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately, the badge system *encourages* people to flag everything before they have VTC privileges. I should know: it's a trap I fell into as a newbie. Achievement systems are terribly flawed if they are not encouraging people into the *right* behaviors, but the topic of badges is a dead horse." CreationDate="2015-11-16T14:52:21.340" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="19965" PostId="8494" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB as they say in security: be careful what behaviour you incentivise, for you will most likely get it." CreationDate="2015-11-16T17:03:08.760" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="19945" PostId="8495" Score="0" Text="Agreed, most useful info/solution I found while googling is from Stack Exchange sites" CreationDate="2015-11-12T15:18:18.820" UserId="310145" />
  <row Id="19946" PostId="8497" Score="4" Text="With regards to the feedback mechanism you initially chose - we try and keep site-related discussions out of our personal email accounts. Meta exists for exactly this reason, and I'm glad you came and posted your question here." CreationDate="2015-11-12T18:07:00.387" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19952" PostId="8497" Score="0" Text="It seems to me that the stuff about installing CrashPlan Pro is a bit of a red herring, topic-wise.  Perhaps if the question was edited to be more &quot;how do I use tech support mode to open ports?&quot;--which is the basic gist of your question, yes--it might meet with more favor.  (Editing the post will automatically drop it into the reopen queue.)" CreationDate="2015-11-12T22:23:04.527" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="19947" PostId="8498" Score="1" Text="Taking advantage of a &quot;tech support mode&quot; on a NAS box to attempt to recover a crashed NAS box, however..." CreationDate="2015-11-12T18:09:06.397" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19948" PostId="8498" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Sure, that's a reasonable usage of Tech Support mode." CreationDate="2015-11-12T18:11:13.683" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19949" PostId="8498" Score="2" Text="That was meant as a subtle hint that I think you misread (part of) the question. He didn't use the tech support mode to install CrashPlan Pro." CreationDate="2015-11-12T18:12:41.653" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19950" PostId="8498" Score="0" Text="Ahh, indeed. My bad. I'll revise the answer." CreationDate="2015-11-12T18:15:28.227" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="19979" PostId="8500" Score="3" Text="Or consider posting it somewhere else. The internet, and the world in general, has other places. Chat rooms, forums, places suited for this kind of problem!" CreationDate="2015-11-19T21:53:46.907" UserId="72833" />
  <row Id="19966" PostId="8504" Score="0" Text="Oh god, another downvote. Why is that?" CreationDate="2015-11-17T09:01:15.493" UserId="115097" />
  <row Id="19967" PostId="8504" Score="5" Text="Votes on meta have a different meaning to the main site: They are used to indicate agreement or disagreement. I didn't downvote you, but I do think that selling the drives on (after a secure erase) is probably the best idea." CreationDate="2015-11-17T09:03:06.850" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19968" PostId="8504" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton I didn't know this about the votes. This is not a question about the drives, there is the original question for that. This is for the policy of SF about questions for setups not supported/predicted by the vendors." CreationDate="2015-11-17T09:08:05.280" UserId="115097" />
  <row Id="19973" PostId="8504" Score="1" Text="The main issue I would say is that most of these questions are in a round-a-bout way duplicates. Why? Because most of the time the answer is _there is a solution but it isn't worth the time, unless your hourly rates are abysmal a supported solution is cheaper_." CreationDate="2015-11-18T08:36:32.623" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="19974" PostId="8504" Score="0" Text="@Reaces yes you could say they are abysimal compared to the US" CreationDate="2015-11-18T08:57:10.053" UserId="115097" />
  <row Id="19980" PostId="8504" Score="2" Text="@sivann, if this is a config you are supporting on your own than its even less appropriate than others have answered.  SF is about regular business management situations, not a kludge put together to build a garage system." CreationDate="2015-11-20T00:18:16.557" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19984" PostId="8504" Score="1" Text="@JimB Please don't be snoot with other people's budget and needs. I already explained the buisiness need. Of course the orthodox answer is to poor more money on a project, but it's not always the right answer." CreationDate="2015-11-20T11:38:15.450" UserId="115097" />
  <row Id="19970" PostId="8506" Score="2" Text="But Iain, I know I'm on my own regarding support if it is unsupported, that is stated beforehand! But this is a tech forum, not an official support channel. Noone is expecting support from SF. Why can't professionals be interested in an unofficial hardware configuration? What about unsupported software then? Would you consider as valid a question about legacy software that needs to integrate with a newer one? It's also unsupported." CreationDate="2015-11-17T14:22:45.567" UserId="115097" />
  <row Id="19971" PostId="8506" Score="1" Text="If you know you're on your own, why are you inflicting your unsupported environment on other people ? Why would professionals risk their business on an unsupported environment? regarding legacy http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8410/are-questions-about-legacy-products-inherently-off-topic-on-server-fault" CreationDate="2015-11-17T14:56:22.087" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="19972" PostId="8506" Score="1" Text="What people do you mean? The SF community? If you're talking about my buisiness I already explained about this being a business decision so this is a calculated risk. Or do you consider that we should never take calculated risks? In any case please try to think in general, not about the specific case.which could be indeed a bad decision." CreationDate="2015-11-18T08:09:57.987" UserId="115097" />
  <row Id="19975" PostId="8506" Score="0" Text="Moreover all legacy is unsupported by definition. So you can't really discriminate." CreationDate="2015-11-18T09:01:19.070" UserId="115097" />
  <row Id="19976" PostId="8506" Score="1" Text="@sivann Sure we can discriminate. This site runs on volunteers. If the volunteers agree that legacy software is on-topic, but messing up hardware by introducing stuff known to cause problems isn't, then the community has that right." CreationDate="2015-11-18T10:44:37.297" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19977" PostId="8506" Score="0" Text="@JennyD (I meant it would be diffucult, not prohibited, I'm not a native speaker sorry for being vague). Okay, so let's sum up, questions for legacy or unsupported software seems legit while for hardware probably not. Do you agree? I have to point out that one of the main revenues of my company comes from supporting legacy hardware setups for various customers, like 1000+ VPNs built on EOL modems :-)" CreationDate="2015-11-18T11:25:17.153" UserId="115097" />
  <row Id="19978" PostId="8506" Score="2" Text="@sivann Let me put it like this: Legacy is (mostly) OK, even if support is no longer available from the vendor. Putting stuff together in a way that breaks the ability to support it, is (mostly) not." CreationDate="2015-11-18T15:37:38.580" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="19981" PostId="8506" Score="0" Text="Actually I'd argue legacy is mostly not OK, with a few exceptions, as most of the time you'll end up breaking something and not even Norton can save you." CreationDate="2015-11-20T00:20:28.950" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="19997" PostId="8509" Score="0" Text="1. agree, 2. applies also to unsupported, 3. ok, this is an extreme example, this is not just an unsupported case  it's just a ridiculous hypothetical question :-) If SF is not the place, then what do you think is the right place, because in my opinion SF is an ideal place. For everything else there is the official vendor support." CreationDate="2015-11-23T12:13:21.930" UserId="115097" />
  <row Id="20043" PostId="8510" Score="0" Text="Is there a question here?" CreationDate="2015-12-03T00:57:29.027" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="20044" PostId="8510" Score="0" Text="@mdpc It's not a question but a feature request." CreationDate="2015-12-03T01:29:01.390" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="20046" PostId="8510" Score="0" Text="ok, what is the specific request here?" CreationDate="2015-12-03T23:57:33.920" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="20048" PostId="8510" Score="0" Text="@mdpc : I ask to make job ads relevant to system administration for new users on Server Fault *(instead of developers)*. Please vote up this request if you also want this." CreationDate="2015-12-04T00:17:26.047" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="19987" PostId="8511" Score="0" Text="[related](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/6056/203649). The current problem is it still advertise developer jobs most of the time." CreationDate="2015-11-22T17:41:59.273" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="19988" PostId="8511" Score="0" Text="@user2284570 That may be true for you, due to location and lack of local sysadmin jobs - but, again, that's a consequence of what listings are available to show you.  If your complaint is that careers is programming-dominated, I'll refer you to Will's answer on that question - there are specific features in the product to help businesses target sysadmins for jobs, but the product is focused more heavily on developers because the audience of Stack Overflow is far, far bigger." CreationDate="2015-11-22T18:06:39.617" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="19989" PostId="8511" Score="2" Text="That's because there are perhaps two orders of magnitude more developers than sysadmins. I do agree with the sentiment, though; I really _don't_ want to see programming jobs, even if I _can_ write a program." CreationDate="2015-11-22T18:20:52.960" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="19990" PostId="8511" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden : I forgot to say non local jobs *(systems ones are rarely advertised)*." CreationDate="2015-11-22T18:28:36.850" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="19991" PostId="8511" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton : If you agree with the sentiment, please upvote this question *(as this site is dedicated to professional)*. Remember jobs can be at least sorted." CreationDate="2015-11-22T18:30:51.047" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="19992" PostId="8511" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden : It seems [things changed](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/1078/203649)." CreationDate="2015-11-22T18:39:44.040" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="19993" PostId="8511" Score="0" Text="@user2284570 That post you're referencing is from 2011, and is way, way older than the current targeting setup, which was introduced this year. When an employer lists a job, they can flag it as being a sysadmin job, which will target it at Server Fault users.  Again, your Stack Overflow activity (10x the rep you have here, so it's a reasonable assumption for the system to make that you're a developer and not a sysadmin) and lack of local sysadmin jobs are the reason you're seeing programming jobs, not neglect of the sysadmin community in the careers product." CreationDate="2015-11-22T18:43:15.220" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="19994" PostId="8511" Score="0" Text="@ShaneMadden do you mean really flag, or using the sysadmin tag *(which near all sysadmin jobs aren’t using)* ?" CreationDate="2015-11-22T21:11:08.467" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="19995" PostId="8511" Score="2" Text="@user2284570 No. When employers create a listing, they have drop-downs asking them what type of role it is (front end web developer? mobile developer? system administrator?), and technologies they use (programming languages, OS platforms), in addition to the tag set that you can see." CreationDate="2015-11-22T21:36:01.273" UserId="72586" />
  <row Id="20001" PostId="8513" Score="5" Text="New users are presented [this page](http://serverfault.com/questions/ask/advice) before they ask their first question. I see many, many posts from such users who apparently failed to read _any_ of it, and as a result got a well-deserved downvote for their low quality question. The problem, as I see it, is not providing feedback, it's getting them to read it in the first place." CreationDate="2015-11-24T09:58:29.327" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20002" PostId="8513" Score="0" Text="Maybe this will help them to read more about it ?" CreationDate="2015-11-24T10:22:49.473" UserId="273409" />
  <row Id="20005" PostId="8513" Score="3" Text="How far backwards are we supposed to bend over to accomodate people who can't be bothered to do any research before posting, or even read the page they've *just confirmed they read*?" CreationDate="2015-11-24T14:08:00.040" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20007" PostId="8513" Score="0" Text="Should i not try to find improvement for this site ? Around 95% of people who click &quot;read confirmation&quot; didn't made it." CreationDate="2015-11-24T14:25:14.117" UserId="273409" />
  <row Id="20008" PostId="8513" Score="2" Text="Work out how to get them to read it before posting, and **that** will be a highly desirable improvement." CreationDate="2015-11-24T14:26:48.140" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20009" PostId="8513" Score="0" Text="Maybe something stupid like : If the time between page is displayed and validation is lower than 15 sec, pop a message to warn the user about it ? (and restart the cool down to prevent click right after the warn)" CreationDate="2015-11-24T14:30:57.077" UserId="273409" />
  <row Id="20010" PostId="8513" Score="4" Text="Honestly this is a question for the Stack Exchange meta. Extra coding for downvotes is not something that can be solved with the input of ServerFault users; you're just going to get our thoughts on why it isn't going to solve much." CreationDate="2015-11-24T15:37:11.393" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20012" PostId="8513" Score="1" Text="None of the example people you show are new users to the SE ecosystem. They all have sufficient reputation elsewhere to have gained the account association bonus. As such they are considered experienced. The truly new people have their fist posts passed through the relevant review mine. People who work in those mines are encouraged to be helpful to them." CreationDate="2015-11-25T07:48:09.733" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20013" PostId="8513" Score="0" Text="If you don't consider thoose who get 100 pts as reward new SE user, ok. Anyway that s the way it is, and i will do with it !" CreationDate="2015-11-25T17:05:41.757" UserId="273409" />
  <row Id="20014" PostId="8513" Score="0" Text="The association bonus isn't a reward for being a new SE user. [It means that you've earned 200 points on at least one SE site](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/141649/206620), and therefore have enough experience to not require the same restrictions that *completely new users* are subject to." CreationDate="2015-11-25T17:13:01.997" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20015" PostId="8513" Score="0" Text="Should i close this post, or wait to get more than 10 downvotes !? ^_^" CreationDate="2015-11-25T17:27:19.453" UserId="273409" />
  <row Id="19998" PostId="8514" Score="0" Text="I understand what you mean, but i am talking about one special case, the first post of someone who don't have any experience on the web site, and will not understand his mistake if no one explain what mistake he does" CreationDate="2015-11-24T09:32:58.577" UserId="273409" />
  <row Id="19999" PostId="8514" Score="0" Text="There would be better solutions for this, like an automatic feedback on a downvote pointing to the help center or something like that. Again: Voting needs to stay anonymous." CreationDate="2015-11-24T09:43:31.603" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20000" PostId="8514" Score="0" Text="Yup, maybe it is better to have something like that, i am mainly pointing the fact that actually it is difficult for a new user to understand why he get downvoted. I update my post then" CreationDate="2015-11-24T09:46:58.953" UserId="273409" />
  <row Id="20004" PostId="8514" Score="2" Text="I agree with Sven.  The current system requests that the down voter **consider** adding a comment to explain.  Too many people can't take the criticism and pathologically down vote the person who explains their vote." CreationDate="2015-11-24T14:00:19.227" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="20006" PostId="8514" Score="0" Text="I was just making a statement on what i saw. most of the time no one want to comment this kind of post, because the poster will think the commentator down voted him. A généric message will prevent this situation for example." CreationDate="2015-11-24T14:18:23.060" UserId="273409" />
  <row Id="20011" PostId="8514" Score="4" Text="A generic comment is added when a question gets closed, you would not believe the number of people who manage to miss that." CreationDate="2015-11-24T20:29:07.130" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20003" PostId="8515" Score="0" Text="Thank for the information, but all of this is theorical, i am adding some link to illustrate my post." CreationDate="2015-11-24T10:55:05.113" UserId="273409" />
  <row Id="20016" PostId="8516" Score="0" Text="can i still argument after all ? i will as stupid i am ^_^ : It is not about points, it is about being blame when you put a comment after someonelse set a -1, user that don't know how to correct them post if they only get -1, user that don't undertand why there post are considered as bad post when it is well formated and insteresting. But anyway, no one discussed about the last proposition which seems to be the best (about timer on rule validation)" CreationDate="2015-11-25T19:28:16.787" UserId="273409" />
  <row Id="20042" PostId="8516" Score="0" Text="I figure, nobody would respond if it wasn't a point worth discussing.  ;)" CreationDate="2015-12-01T20:40:29.357" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="20017" PostId="8517" Score="3" Text="Please no [unsupported].  It's a meta tag, with all the mess that brings." CreationDate="2015-11-25T23:29:27.903" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="20019" PostId="8517" Score="0" Text="The [unsupported] tag suggestion seems a good compromise, I also like the mentality explanation regarding the desire for repeatability. With the tag, If people don't want to see  &quot;hacky&quot; questions , they can filter them out." CreationDate="2015-11-26T17:18:04.400" UserId="115097" />
  <row Id="20020" PostId="8518" Score="4" Text="If it's not often, then it's not needed." CreationDate="2015-11-26T19:29:35.730" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="20034" PostId="8518" Score="4" Text="None of those are off topic for SF. The first and last are a bit broad/opinion-based so don't really have a home on SE, so there really isn't a need to migrate them. **Please, also, stop leaving comments about $elsewhere being better.** That's not necessarily the case, and people saying the same on SO are a real source of irritation here." CreationDate="2015-11-28T12:34:49.950" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20021" PostId="8519" Score="2" Text="In fact stats aren't really accurate, some posts are not migrated." CreationDate="2015-11-27T12:44:10.853" UserId="273409" />
  <row Id="20022" PostId="8519" Score="0" Text="@Froggiz What do you want to say with this? The reject rates are ~10%, this don't change this statistic." CreationDate="2015-11-27T13:09:55.117" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20025" PostId="8519" Score="0" Text="That some post which should be migrated are in status closed or even not touched, so they are not in statistics. But yes it is still less than other sites" CreationDate="2015-11-27T13:31:27.120" UserId="273409" />
  <row Id="20024" PostId="8521" Score="0" Text="That s what i get on the tooltip : http://serverfault.com/tags/page-speed/info" CreationDate="2015-11-27T13:22:03.490" UserId="273409" />
  <row Id="20031" PostId="8522" Score="7" Text="ServerFault has suffered from a severe lack of drama lately, so I suggest we just get HBruijn to untag all the VBox questions and then bulk close them...." CreationDate="2015-11-28T09:28:14.893" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="20027" PostId="8523" Score="0" Text="Do tag warnings prevent the such a tag from being used? Or is it just a pop-up and can people ignore it and still use the tag?" CreationDate="2015-11-28T08:11:23.153" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="20028" PostId="8523" Score="0" Text="It just pops up. People can still use the tag. We have other ways of blacklisting tags, if that is necessary." CreationDate="2015-11-28T08:14:08.040" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20029" PostId="8523" Score="1" Text="I already did something similar using the normal tag description for [plesk](http://serverfault.com/tags/plesk/info) and [cpanel](http://serverfault.com/tags/cpanel/info)  when those tags got [resurrected](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/8227/37681). Those would be suitable candidates as well - Regarding your proposed text: a warning should start with the word **&quot;warning&quot;**" CreationDate="2015-11-28T08:14:42.007" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="20030" PostId="8523" Score="2" Text="The problem is, nobody notices the tag descriptions. But the tag warnings are pretty hard to miss." CreationDate="2015-11-28T08:15:43.867" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20032" PostId="8524" Score="0" Text="I started by looking at the oldest questions, some of them are quite interesting actually, but the first one I looked at was a more abstract question and didn't involve VBox at all so I just re-tagged it." CreationDate="2015-11-28T09:31:21.203" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="20033" PostId="8524" Score="5" Text="Ome questions tagged virtualbox are about configuring it and deploying it for people to use, they are perfectly acceptable." CreationDate="2015-11-28T11:30:54.247" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20045" PostId="8525" Score="2" Text="Omg yes!  Why are we even talking about this, just do it!!  ;)" CreationDate="2015-12-03T15:42:04.050" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="20035" PostId="8526" Score="4" Text="ewwwwhite currently has the most rep on SF and that's not going to change because of this answer lock.  There is a non-SE chat room where many SF posters - including both womble and ewwhite - are active and although Ed didn't specifically ask for the post to be locked, he did comment on getting tons of notifications because of the comments.  I'm sure the lock will be released any time he asks womble or another mod to do so." CreationDate="2015-11-30T02:33:35.280" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="20036" PostId="8527" Score="0" Text="In my experience, on SO when a chat room gets opened it acts as an outlet valve and rarely are further comments added to the post itself. The chat activity does die out rather quickly though, just as it would have if it were left to peter out below the post. Whence my feature request above for normal users to be able to trigger migration to chatroom by themselves and contain the conversation. In this case, the comments were, imho, at least semi-topical, at least insofar as we were trying to tease out the responsibility of the hypervisor for OP's awful performance." CreationDate="2015-11-30T04:35:13.330" UserId="324585" />
  <row Id="20037" PostId="8527" Score="3" Text="Comments on an answer should, IMO, relate to *that answer*, not any details which may happen to be mentioned elsewhere on the page.  That's why I characterise the comments stemming from (and including) the comment &quot;It's a VPS&quot; as off-topic." CreationDate="2015-11-30T04:54:52.313" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="20038" PostId="8527" Score="0" Text="In addition, the OP never reported back information about the processor scaling/power management settings on the server. So I don't think they were committed to a solution. But yes, the comments went off-topic." CreationDate="2015-11-30T13:02:39.740" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="20049" PostId="8534" Score="1" Text="Related: [Apache on Windows in production environment? Why not?](http://serverfault.com/q/211610/126632)" CreationDate="2015-12-08T23:00:05.470" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20050" PostId="8534" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton I've seen that. Doesn't lend a whole lot to the conversation, though IMHO. &quot;Well it runs...&quot; isn't a great benchmark for whether something is a good idea. It would also run on an RPi, which as we know is a horrible idea for many reasons other than whether or not the application is functional." CreationDate="2015-12-08T23:05:41.330" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20051" PostId="8534" Score="1" Text="So I shouldn't put a domain controller on my shiny new Raspberry Pi Zero?" CreationDate="2015-12-08T23:12:36.430" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20052" PostId="8534" Score="0" Text="Maybe that's OK if it's merely an RODC." CreationDate="2015-12-08T23:14:12.240" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20053" PostId="8534" Score="0" Text="Some degree of justification would be nice. I've actually worked in an environment where using an unholy WAMP + python + windows abomination had a technical/business reason.  If its a dev box though, Bad dev, no cookie. In face negative cookies!" CreationDate="2015-12-09T02:13:29.910" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="20135" PostId="8534" Score="0" Text="One wild wonder if you know nothing about apache on windows why having someone answer the question is a problem for you." CreationDate="2016-01-02T06:56:23.567" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="20136" PostId="8534" Score="3" Text="@JimB Who said anything about me knowing nothing about Apache on Windows? Topicality of questions does not hinge on whether myself or anyone else on the site is familiar with the topic. Anyway, the discussion is closed - I'm not sure why you thought this comment would be constructive in any way." CreationDate="2016-01-02T14:19:14.057" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20057" PostId="8539" Score="0" Text="Before asking I tried searching for &quot;This question has an open bounty and cannot be closed&quot;, but got zero results. IS it really the case that nobody has asked this question before? Or is something broken in the search functionality?" CreationDate="2015-12-14T15:30:42.140" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20058" PostId="8539" Score="0" Text="Is something *not* broken with the SE search? For such things, I usually target Google specifically to meta.se or meta.sf" CreationDate="2015-12-14T15:33:14.667" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20059" PostId="8539" Score="0" Text="@Sven Searching for `site:meta.serverfault.com &quot;This question has an open bounty and cannot be closed&quot;` on Google also gives no results." CreationDate="2015-12-14T15:34:46.793" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20060" PostId="8539" Score="0" Text="You are too specific :) `site:meta.stackexchange.com close question with bounty` works" CreationDate="2015-12-14T15:35:57.547" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20061" PostId="8539" Score="0" Text="BTW, since this is a generic SE problem, meta.se is usually the best place to search for this kind of problem." CreationDate="2015-12-14T15:40:15.383" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20062" PostId="8539" Score="0" Text="@Sven I thought I had tried searching on meta.stackexchange.com as well. I must have mistyped the URL and searched meta.serverfault.com twice." CreationDate="2015-12-14T15:42:26.870" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20063" PostId="8540" Score="1" Text="Can.... Can I get the bounty?" CreationDate="2015-12-14T18:23:18.713" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="20069" PostId="8540" Score="0" Text="Just out of curiosity, what happens to the bounty in this kind of situation?" CreationDate="2015-12-16T14:14:18.403" UserId="185923" />
  <row Id="20071" PostId="8540" Score="3" Text="@Colyn1337 The user gets the reputation returned to them." CreationDate="2015-12-16T14:24:43.623" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20064" PostId="8541" Score="4" Text="`killall -9 xampp`" CreationDate="2015-12-14T21:47:50.793" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="20065" PostId="8541" Score="1" Text="Just as with [tag:virtualbos] there are circumstances when [tag:xampp] might be applicable. They will though be very rare and almost certainly don't exist already." CreationDate="2015-12-14T21:54:30.647" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20066" PostId="8541" Score="4" Text="@Iain Virtualbox is a virtualisation platform which is *usually* used for dev work (because Vagrant, and because it's utter pants).  XAMPP, on the other hand, is *specifically* intended to be a dev environment -- the subtitle on http://apachefriends.org/ says &quot;XAMPP is the most popular PHP development environment&quot;.  It should therefore not be used in production, and questions about it either get closed &quot;off topic - dev env&quot; or &quot;off topic - best practices&quot;." CreationDate="2015-12-15T03:43:05.843" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="20067" PostId="8541" Score="1" Text="Strange as this may seem I am well aware of what VirtualBox and XAMPP are. If though I was a Windows admin tasked with deploying XAMPP for a group of developers then the tag may be applicable. Like I said rare but possible. I'v even argued against our support of xampp users in the past http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/4087/why-was-this-xampp-question-closed-and-why-are-so-many-xampp-questions-being-clo/4089#4089" CreationDate="2015-12-15T06:19:02.753" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20068" PostId="8541" Score="0" Text="@lain, In my opinion you still should ask at stackoverflow in that case. Being the admin is not the criterion, but deploying a development tool. If one has trouble with the deployment technique, he/she should use a tag to reflect that instead of what you are deploying. For example `deployment`. I don't want to say that one cannot put `XAMPP` in the title, though." CreationDate="2015-12-15T07:07:57.237" UserId="188837" />
  <row Id="20072" PostId="8541" Score="0" Text="*In my opinion you still should ask at stackoverflow in that case.* - in the case that you're a sysadmin deploying XAMPP to a group of devs? That kind of question is off topic at Stack Overflow and explicitly on topic here." CreationDate="2015-12-16T20:54:21.360" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="20101" PostId="8541" Score="0" Text="If others use XAMPP for production, where do they ask questions about it? Telling them their questions are off-topic here because they're doing something they shouldn't be doing is not only arrogant, it is also wrong: even if the decision to use XAMPP is within their control, it probably isn't going to be what their question is about." CreationDate="2015-12-23T15:06:38.217" UserId="11303" />
  <row Id="20102" PostId="8541" Score="0" Text="@reinierpost if someone is using xampp in production then they are doing it wrong. It is not meant to be in production, it is an abomination to use it as such." CreationDate="2015-12-23T15:19:55.657" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20103" PostId="8541" Score="1" Text="@reinierpost the &quot;bad practice&quot; off-topic close reason is, in part, specifically for cases where you're using something in a manner contrary to the label.  Do you think diy.stackexchange is going to answer construction questions involving a stale bread roll to hammer a nail?  Hell no.  They're first going to tell you to get a hammer." CreationDate="2015-12-24T02:01:02.563" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="20073" PostId="8542" Score="0" Text="I think this question better fit the only public which is concerned by non programming jobs being advertised." CreationDate="2015-12-16T22:55:31.740" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="20074" PostId="8542" Score="4" Text="Already answered [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/271121/please-don-t-make-careers-developers-only/271126#271126), don't feel like answering twice. I'll leave it up to the folks here to discuss the matter or not as they wish." CreationDate="2015-12-16T23:02:51.590" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="20077" PostId="8542" Score="0" Text="Hello, [any peoples having a careers profile here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/271121/242800#comment879015_271126) ? an example of someone who will soon have a fresh new stackoverflow account : http://careers.stackoverflow.com/edmundwhite" CreationDate="2015-12-16T23:25:14.347" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="20081" PostId="8542" Score="0" Text="Someone has already replied to your feature request in a post [elsewhere](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/271121/please-don-t-make-careers-developers-only)." CreationDate="2015-12-17T03:52:37.357" UserId="127429" />
  <row Id="20082" PostId="8542" Score="0" Text="I have a careers profile thank you. I guess I just don't see this as a problem worth having a screaming fit over. If I was going to spend my energy being concerned about *something* regarding careers.se then it would be the overall scarcity of sysadmin jobs, not how se presents those jobs to the community." CreationDate="2015-12-18T13:55:38.393" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="20083" PostId="8542" Score="0" Text="@RobM : read this post again, this is not about how se present those jobs but how the scarcity of sysadmin jobs will be far lower than it is currently. Please upvote if you think they should not be scarer than now." CreationDate="2015-12-18T14:00:46.053" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="20084" PostId="8542" Score="1" Text="I understand what you're trying to say, I just disagree..." CreationDate="2015-12-18T15:05:33.117" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="20105" PostId="8542" Score="0" Text="I've started a [discussion](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/313459/what-about-jobs-for-sysadmins) on MSO, because it seems [MSO is now the official place to discuss Careers/Jobs issues](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/312744/is-the-careers-meta-going-to-move-from-mse-to-mso)." CreationDate="2015-12-27T14:24:30.877" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20114" PostId="8542" Score="0" Text="@Massimo which was asked after that question" CreationDate="2015-12-27T20:17:32.160" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="20115" PostId="8542" Score="0" Text="@user2284570 I asked the question on MSO (and posted a pointer question here) because discussions about Careers/Jobs are being moved to MSO, so that's the place to talk about it now." CreationDate="2015-12-27T20:29:26.117" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20125" PostId="8542" Score="0" Text="@Massimo : this question don’t seek for discussion but ask for a change." CreationDate="2015-12-29T19:55:37.380" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="20126" PostId="8542" Score="0" Text="@user2284570 You don't understand. Meta is not for &quot;asking for change&quot;, but for discussion. So you're whole premise is flawed. You're using the tool wrong." CreationDate="2015-12-29T20:01:51.490" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="20127" PostId="8542" Score="0" Text="@Wesley : so what is the purpose of the`feature request`tag ? :-)" CreationDate="2015-12-29T20:03:29.373" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="20128" PostId="8542" Score="0" Text="@user2284570 To discuss a feature request." CreationDate="2015-12-29T20:05:45.183" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="20129" PostId="8542" Score="0" Text="@Wesley : Strange, it can be used without the`discussion`tag. It is even part of the 5 mandatory tags choice. :-)" CreationDate="2015-12-29T20:07:14.697" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="20130" PostId="8542" Score="0" Text="@user2284570 You're missing the point. The tag is there to give the question topicality, and then it's discussed below. There is no &quot;this is not for discussion&quot; option. This question is a duplicate and should be closed, and judging by the close votes it will be closed shortly." CreationDate="2015-12-29T20:26:18.530" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="20131" PostId="8542" Score="0" Text="@Wesley : Even if it was a duplicate of [http://meta.serverfault.com/q/8552/203649](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/8552/203649) it was asked earlier and isn’t a pointer to a question. But it there’s siply a misunderstanding : it talk about the same thing, but ask a different thing." CreationDate="2015-12-29T20:29:36.730" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="20085" PostId="8545" Score="0" Text="I am seeing this link at end of my question `question eligible for bounty in 2 days' but when I click it then it refers me to this link: http://serverfault.com/help/bounty.. I am not seeing drop down menu as stated in  this link: http://serverfault.com/help/privileges/set-bounties" CreationDate="2015-12-18T17:38:46.343" UserId="319882" />
  <row Id="20095" PostId="8545" Score="5" Text="@Ghayel - Well, did you wait 2 days? (Bonus info: No you didn't ;)) Sometime tomorrow you should be able to put a bounty on the question. Also agreeing on the bounty stuff Sven mentioned." CreationDate="2015-12-20T01:02:40.440" UserId="125925" />
  <row Id="20094" PostId="8546" Score="7" Text="This is a question and answer site. Not Thinking As A Service, Free Consulting As A Service, Remote Diagnosis as a service. Ask a question get an answer. You have to put some effort in an not expect us to hold your hand through a process to get a personalised answer." CreationDate="2015-12-19T23:13:04.993" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20098" PostId="8546" Score="4" Text="Links to tutorials without some form of precis in the answer are to be avoided as links can go dead. I read the link in the comment. It's not reasonably practical to precis that because it is too long and technical so it would not make a good answer. The community did a good job of closing a very poor question. I also read the link that you eventually provided to prove you had tried. That just told me that you didn't really have a grasp of what you were trying to do and I should avoid you." CreationDate="2015-12-21T12:24:27.637" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20099" PostId="8546" Score="3" Text="Nothing has changed in this community. We have always had a low tolerance for poor questions. Please learn from that." CreationDate="2015-12-21T12:26:02.810" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20097" PostId="8547" Score="0" Text="Dear EEEA, I was required only to add the link that point to tutorial. &#xA;Sometime just put the link in the answers help a lot!!!&#xA;&#xA;It will help me and for future people,&#xA;&#xA;So, what is more important to you: to help to people or to follow rules that were added recently?&#xA;&#xA;You wrong about the assumption that I give up." CreationDate="2015-12-21T11:44:09.450" UserId="167270" />
  <row Id="20100" PostId="8547" Score="6" Text="@Michael Link-only answers are all but worthless here, and as mentioned previously, we don't do tutorials. To be completely honest, tutorials are a very dangerous thing to rely on, as following them encourages copy/paste sysadmin practices, and doesn't encourage you to actually **learn** the technologies in use. Also, to be clear, I never said anything about you giving up." CreationDate="2015-12-21T14:34:44.687" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20104" PostId="8549" Score="4" Text="Just eave a comment saying contact me if you want help sorting this out - works  for me occasionally. Don't forget to delete it later though." CreationDate="2015-12-25T20:47:48.010" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20118" PostId="8549" Score="1" Text="As an independent consultant there have been times when I've wanted to tell someone &quot;Contact me if you'd like to discuss how I might be of help to you on a professional basis (or something to that affect). In those cases I simply leave an email address by which they can contact me in my SF profile. As for whether or not it's appropriate; I think that in those cases where it is appropriate it's usually pretty obvious. I've only ever done it once or twice but I trust that your good judgment will tell you when it's appropriate and when it's not." CreationDate="2015-12-28T14:49:53.910" UserId="19152" />
  <row Id="20107" PostId="8552" Score="1" Text="If this is just a pointer... Why can't we close it? Closing =\= deleting." CreationDate="2015-12-27T16:18:41.960" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="20108" PostId="8552" Score="0" Text="Are closed questions still shown as suggestions if someone tries to post a new one with a similar topic?" CreationDate="2015-12-27T16:23:00.870" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20109" PostId="8552" Score="1" Text="I'm not 100%, but I believe so, yes." CreationDate="2015-12-27T16:24:46.340" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="20110" PostId="8552" Score="0" Text="The topic is actually more relevant to SF (and thus MSF), but MSO seems to be the right place to discuss it. Hence this pointer..." CreationDate="2015-12-27T16:26:35.977" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20120" PostId="8552" Score="1" Text="[related](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/271121/242800)." CreationDate="2015-12-29T02:45:07.537" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="20121" PostId="8552" Score="0" Text="All linked questions (including the ones marked as possible duplicates) are indeed related; but what I'm *exactly* trying to do is gathering all discussions about this issue in a single place (the question on MSO), and only leave this pointer question here to say &quot;the official discussion is there&quot;. As I said *right in the first row&quot;, please don't mark *this one* as a duplicate: the opposite should be done. Thank you." CreationDate="2015-12-29T06:22:11.647" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20122" PostId="8552" Score="0" Text="@Massimo : if this is just a pointer, the`feature request`tag is irrelevant." CreationDate="2015-12-29T19:37:25.793" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="20123" PostId="8552" Score="1" Text="@user2284570 Agreed, tag removed." CreationDate="2015-12-29T19:43:56.783" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20124" PostId="8552" Score="0" Text="@Massimo : [thank you](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/8542/203649)." CreationDate="2015-12-29T19:51:25.123" UserId="203649" />
  <row Id="20116" PostId="8554" Score="2" Text="I of course have a LinkedIn profile, and there is a link to it in my SF profile; but this is quite unwieldy (the other user needs to be a member, and LinkedIn doesn't allow PMs between not-linked people unless you have a premium account)." CreationDate="2015-12-28T12:36:54.227" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20117" PostId="8554" Score="0" Text="Then, stick to the small personal consultant website. That's going to be public. Even better, a personal website can showcase your abilities better than a resume." CreationDate="2015-12-28T13:01:44.480" UserId="180152" />
  <row Id="20137" PostId="8557" Score="0" Text="Yes, and if you're lucky, [Graham Dumpleton](http://serverfault.com/users/10639/graham-dumpleton) himself might answer it." CreationDate="2016-01-05T22:38:40.663" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20138" PostId="8558" Score="1" Text="Thanks. Given my current knowledge level on the topic, I think I've done about as much research into it as I can while trying to pin down my issue. I'll be sure to spend some time getting it well-articulated." CreationDate="2016-01-05T22:43:04.497" UserId="330234" />
  <row Id="20139" PostId="8558" Score="3" Text="You'll be fine. You're clearly on the right track of trying to be intentional about asking in the right place, etc. Don't fret about it - post the question and as long as you don't come off as a &quot;help vampire&quot; (someone who is coming here to have us do their job for them, never to return), you'll be fine." CreationDate="2016-01-05T22:44:47.457" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20142" PostId="8560" Score="3" Text="Like @Sven told, you just have to click &quot;edit&quot;, to edit your question and it will be automatically be in the review queue after. Nothing more to do. Flagging a moderator is more for urgency (like a spam or a insult) (and you don't see other option to cast a close vote, as you are to low on point)" CreationDate="2016-01-07T20:41:37.350" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20141" PostId="8561" Score="1" Text="You are right about me abusing a flag for this reason. I did not realise this very well until I read this. This has made me edit my meta question. However, the rest of my question still stands.&#xA;&#xA;I'd like to upvote your remarks, but it is not an answer to my question, more like a comment on part of it." CreationDate="2016-01-06T15:38:01.077" UserId="209489" />
  <row Id="20143" PostId="8561" Score="1" Text="@Maneating Keep in mind that Meta is a little bit different. This *is* a place for discussion (unlike the main site), and it's perfectly fine for people to comment on whichever part of the meta topic they feel most inclined to. Not everyone is going to want to provide specific advice on how to make a specific SF question better. Upvote anything that seems helpful, accept an answer if it got you where you wanted to go." CreationDate="2016-01-08T20:56:02.207" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20148" PostId="8562" Score="0" Text="For port see http://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-port-numbers.xhtml .. else just ask what you have in mind !" CreationDate="2016-01-09T02:54:52.827" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20144" PostId="8564" Score="0" Text="Include a few specific (or even reasonably general) details about the SSD and HDD and system you're working with / planning to work with might help here." CreationDate="2016-01-08T23:01:58.573" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="20145" PostId="8564" Score="0" Text="Just a run of the mill SSD vs HDD should be similar enough no?" CreationDate="2016-01-08T23:11:24.667" UserId="118957" />
  <row Id="20146" PostId="8564" Score="2" Text="Well, I don't know... And neither do you, else why ask?" CreationDate="2016-01-08T23:12:17.737" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="20147" PostId="8565" Score="5" Text="There wasn't much in the way of research demonstrated either, which tends to have an influence on how far people are willing to stretch themselves to salvage a question that is missing the needed details." CreationDate="2016-01-08T23:44:07.710" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20151" PostId="8567" Score="1" Text="Sometimes the link only answer is even the accepted answer as well, so at that time the OP found it useful and who would I be to disagree?" CreationDate="2016-01-09T17:24:03.613" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="20153" PostId="8567" Score="0" Text="[This](http://serverfault.com/questions/43733/is-there-a-way-to-validate-etc-crontab-s-format) just got pushed to the front page and is probably a better example and several of teh answers appear to be just links elsewhere without _any_ supporting commentary." CreationDate="2016-01-09T19:10:41.740" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20149" PostId="8568" Score="3" Text="I actually think that spoon feeding people solutions does the internet and people a great disservice as it creates a dependence. Educating people by pointing them in the right direction (which goes down badly with many people who ask questions here because they ain't interested in learning) is in my opinion a much better thing to do." CreationDate="2016-01-09T16:39:24.747" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20152" PostId="8568" Score="1" Text="I'm not convinced that the ✓ is always a good indicator. Sometimes there are much better answers. Downvoting and deleting bad answers (even with a ✓ ) is a social good." CreationDate="2016-01-09T17:32:02.950" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20154" PostId="8568" Score="0" Text="I have added a link to an old answer which said even less: `Here's a bit of information on the subject.`" CreationDate="2016-01-09T22:53:18.837" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20155" PostId="8568" Score="0" Text="My answer remains unchanged." CreationDate="2016-01-09T23:07:04.127" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21949" PostId="8569" Score="0" Text="The irony of a meta post on bad answers...." CreationDate="2017-05-05T21:45:47.050" UserId="364459" />
  <row Id="20171" PostId="8570" Score="7" Text="I reviewed the history of this post, and I could not find any evidence of personal attacks against you there." CreationDate="2016-01-11T15:33:28.333" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20158" PostId="8571" Score="4" Text="I'd say that the current question falls under the &quot;product, service, or learning material recommendations&quot; closure reason." CreationDate="2016-01-11T11:19:39.797" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20159" PostId="8571" Score="0" Text="Im certain you would @JennyD since you have clearly had many issues with this posting from the start when I challenged your weak reply." CreationDate="2016-01-11T14:05:39.397" UserId="331119" />
  <row Id="20160" PostId="8571" Score="5" Text="Sorry, but what was (very) weak was your question. Don't shoot the messenger." CreationDate="2016-01-11T14:06:19.617" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20161" PostId="8571" Score="0" Text="Interesting how someone managed to give some legitimate answers and recommendations out of the final postings." CreationDate="2016-01-11T14:07:32.330" UserId="331119" />
  <row Id="20166" PostId="8571" Score="5" Text="@user1669039 Firstly, the only problem that caused me to vote to close the question was the question itself. I cast my vote before you had started writing long rants in the comments; thus, they had no impact on my vote at all. Second, my comment was just that - a comment. It was not an answer, much less a complete one. Had I wanted to post an answer, I would have posted it in the Answer box, not in the comment box. Third, every comment I have posted has been about the content of your question, not about you as a person. I wish you would show the same courtesy in return." CreationDate="2016-01-11T14:23:28.950" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20170" PostId="8571" Score="5" Text="@user1669039 Jenny is absolutely right. Remember, *you* approached *us* for help. Which means that the burden is on you to ensure that your question and your modes of communication meet our community guidelines. We also have expectations that everyone will conduct themselves in a professional, respectful manner, which you have not done. As others have mentioned, I've seen no evidence of you being the target of &quot;personal attacks&quot; or anything like that. I would suggest re-considering your behavior or risk being banned." CreationDate="2016-01-11T14:44:12.703" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20162" PostId="8572" Score="0" Text="&quot;No it's not &quot;updated as per guidelines&quot;. This isn't a forum, where it would be reasonable to ask all participants to list their opinions. It's a QA, where you should ask a practical, answerable question based on actual problems that you face, including enough information that it would be reasonable for people to solve your problem. You have failed.&quot; - Jenny" CreationDate="2016-01-11T14:11:54.837" UserId="331119" />
  <row Id="20163" PostId="8572" Score="3" Text="@user1669039 If you consider the factually correct statement that you have failed to edit the question to conform to our guidelines as agressive then maybe you shouldn't be on the internet and try to interact with strangers." CreationDate="2016-01-11T14:14:13.323" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20164" PostId="8572" Score="3" Text="@user1669039 If you think that saying that you failed to write a question that follows the guideline is a personal attack... then this probably is not a site where you will ever feel welcome." CreationDate="2016-01-11T14:15:58.213" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20165" PostId="8572" Score="0" Text="@Sven The answers that eventually did arrive from helpful members were of perfect reference. If a member is going to give a vague reply such as... &quot;It's not a substitute for an actual HA system&quot;, which had nothing to do with the question, then maybe they shouldn't be replying to a topic. Then retaliate flagging it when I call them on it." CreationDate="2016-01-11T14:18:57.970" UserId="331119" />
  <row Id="20167" PostId="8572" Score="2" Text="@user1669039 Please take a few minutes to read the [help]. It will explain the  difference between comments and answers." CreationDate="2016-01-11T14:23:54.907" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20168" PostId="8572" Score="3" Text="Also, the helpful answers came after you'd completely re-edited the question (and, incidentally, after I'd given up on it)." CreationDate="2016-01-11T14:24:49.193" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20169" PostId="8572" Score="1" Text="@user1669039: And it will also explain a lot of other things you need to learn to get the most of this (sometimes quite quirky) site." CreationDate="2016-01-11T14:24:56.067" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20178" PostId="8574" Score="1" Text="&quot;This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful&quot; - determine whether that applies, then act accordingly.  (Since you mentioned low quality...)" CreationDate="2016-01-18T22:43:44.590" UserId="111679" />
  <row Id="20177" PostId="8576" Score="0" Text="Does that mean animated PNG files are permitted?" CreationDate="2016-01-18T09:32:31.717" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20195" PostId="8576" Score="0" Text="@kasperd No because that would be an `APNG`..?" CreationDate="2016-01-20T15:42:53.033" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20205" PostId="8576" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson According to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APNG) it is an extension of PNG using methods for extensions provided by the original PNG specification. If that is correct, then an APNG file is also a valid PNG file." CreationDate="2016-01-20T21:20:41.963" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20317" PostId="8576" Score="1" Text="The size limit is 40 KB? I was just over on Bicycles looking at their community ads, and the size limit there is 150 KB?" CreationDate="2016-02-08T05:58:25.610" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20318" PostId="8576" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton It's 150KB network-wide, sorry for the delay in update." CreationDate="2016-02-08T13:38:19.243" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="22229" PostId="8576" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [Community Promotion Ads - 2017](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/9028/community-promotion-ads-2017)" CreationDate="2018-02-01T19:27:32.080" UserId="57468" />
  <row Id="20172" PostId="8577" Score="0" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted, now with 80px more width (to despise, as it were)! It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting." CreationDate="2016-01-15T03:23:48.190" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="20175" PostId="8577" Score="4" Text="Fun Fact: This ad is blocked by uBlock Origin." CreationDate="2016-01-15T05:18:23.643" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20179" PostId="8582" Score="0" Text="One thing to be careful of is converting your posts to Community Wiki. It is possible to lose a tag badge if you do that. I've earned the golg Linux tag badge twice because of that." CreationDate="2016-01-18T22:44:50.943" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20180" PostId="8582" Score="0" Text="@Iain: Yes, that's what I (or the authors of the linked text) mean with regular vs tag badge - if you drop below the threshold for a tag badge, it goes away, just like other rep based privileges." CreationDate="2016-01-18T23:05:32.180" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20182" PostId="8583" Score="5" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/q/963/126632" CreationDate="2016-01-19T17:24:50.283" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20181" PostId="8584" Score="0" Text="OK I see, so I will choose 1, I can't afford 3rd option, but after all, my question stresses the correctness of syntax. I didn't ask for making some DNS requeries." CreationDate="2016-01-19T17:23:19.300" UserId="331998" />
  <row Id="20192" PostId="8584" Score="1" Text="If memory serves, it was me that made the request (though certainly not the downvote).  I would have answered this myself, save that I have little to add to EEAA's excellent answer.  I would also direct you to [my answer](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/6574/55514) on the question Michael's linked to, above, for a more in-depth analysis." CreationDate="2016-01-20T13:12:34.277" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20186" PostId="8585" Score="1" Text="As these have been pushed to the front page I have been voting and casting close / delete votes on them as appropriate. I even rolled back one but the OP found it again and re-edited it. I also ran out of close and delete votes on a couple of days." CreationDate="2016-01-20T11:52:30.260" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20187" PostId="8585" Score="3" Text="Precisely, @Iain. Each edit makes the specific question better, but it makes the **site** worse." CreationDate="2016-01-20T11:54:16.380" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20188" PostId="8585" Score="2" Text="More people need to use their delete votes more often - you know it makes sense." CreationDate="2016-01-20T11:55:14.513" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20189" PostId="8585" Score="2" Text="Pretty much every edit undertaken [here](http://serverfault.com/users/282070/pierre-vriens?tab=activity&amp;sort=revisions) is a good indication of a question that needs special attention." CreationDate="2016-01-20T11:59:08.540" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20190" PostId="8585" Score="0" Text="Right, @Iain. It's easy to forget the delete queue since it doesn't show up in the regular review list." CreationDate="2016-01-20T12:07:12.847" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20191" PostId="8585" Score="0" Text="The delete queue is [here](http://serverfault.com/tools?tab=delete&amp;daterange=last30days) for 10K+ people." CreationDate="2016-01-20T12:50:38.780" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20202" PostId="8585" Score="0" Text="From the **untagged** tag excerpt: &quot; ...is reserved for use by the system to identify posts with no valid tags.&quot;. Am I now being blamed around here of **suggesting** valid tags, which (except from a few) all got **approved**? FYI: (1) If there would be a flag like &quot;don't push this question to the frontpage after editing it&quot;, I'd have flagged it as such with each of those edits. (2) be my guest to delete all those retagged questions now &quot;also&quot; (I really don't mind about each of the -2 rep changes for any such deletes)." CreationDate="2016-01-20T17:29:43.960" UserId="282070" />
  <row Id="20208" PostId="8585" Score="1" Text="@Pierre.Vriens I am sorry you feel that you are being blamed. I quite agree that it's a good thing  to fix untagged posts. What I'm wondering about is the impact on the site of pushing questions, that have already been closed as off-topic, to the front site and the review queue. (Questions closed as duplicate are another matter; they have a use.)" CreationDate="2016-01-21T09:20:39.450" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20209" PostId="8585" Score="0" Text="@JennyD thanks for the feedback, happy to read you did not dislike the untagging itself ... Feel free to take my &quot;*... If there would be a flag like &quot;don't push this question to the frontpage after editing it&quot;, I'd have flagged it as such with each of those edits ...*&quot; to meta!SE. I honestly think THAT is the best possible compromise for everybody (I won't post it there since I have bad experiences with using that site ...)." CreationDate="2016-01-21T09:29:01.203" UserId="282070" />
  <row Id="20212" PostId="8585" Score="1" Text="@Pierre It takes a long time for feature requests to bubble through the pipe. In the meantime, we would be genuinely appreciative of any discretion you can exercise when selecting which posts to edit and how frequently. You're not doing anything &quot;against the rules&quot; but as a community we've reached a consensus on our meta site that pushing active posts off the front page with a wall of edits is not in SF's best interests. That goes double when it's stale/off-topic content." CreationDate="2016-01-21T10:26:10.820" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20213" PostId="8585" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB : FYI I'm NOT planning any more &quot;untagged&quot;-tagged questions (refer to my answer to the &quot;linked&quot; question for details on that). However I'm not sure if I should translate your comment to NOT suggesting any edits at all anymore (eg the ones I suggested earlier today). Until I hear anything different on that (or notice so, like getting banned from suggesting edits ...), I'm assuming that there is nothing wrong in suggesting such edits. And yes I'm aware that it's sufficient to get a reject / approve rate of about 5 (?) more rejected edit suggestions as compared to approved ones." CreationDate="2016-01-21T10:39:24.683" UserId="282070" />
  <row Id="20214" PostId="8585" Score="0" Text="@Iain I believe there are some that should be deleted. But there are also some of them which have good answers, in which case I don't think they should be deleted." CreationDate="2016-01-21T10:57:32.597" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20215" PostId="8585" Score="1" Text="@Pierre The main thing to be cautious of is &quot;walls of edits&quot; of off-topic or very old content. Working through the review queue is never a problem for example. (in this context, at least) We're not providing a whole lot of value on our front page if it's mostly old/irrelevant stuff though. We'll ping you here if it's a problem." CreationDate="2016-01-21T11:00:24.170" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20216" PostId="8585" Score="0" Text="OK @AndrewB ... that's clear ... I'll do my best to remember it." CreationDate="2016-01-21T11:10:19.463" UserId="282070" />
  <row Id="22283" PostId="8585" Score="0" Text="FWIW, these edits do not put a closed question into the Reopen review queue. That's only for edits within 5 days after closure (and IIRC tag-only edits never count)." CreationDate="2018-04-17T17:16:00.440" UserId="283889" />
  <row Id="22287" PostId="8585" Score="0" Text="Thanks @Glorfindel. Today I learned..." CreationDate="2018-04-17T19:43:07.810" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20199" PostId="8587" Score="1" Text="[Review question: Retagging of old closed untagged questions](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8585/review-question-retagging-of-old-closed-untagged-questions)" CreationDate="2016-01-20T17:06:58.237" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20200" PostId="8587" Score="0" Text="@Iain : merci for the link in your comment, can you clarify a bit WHAT you are you trying to say by posting that link? Also, I trust the description of the untagged tag is ... correct, no?" CreationDate="2016-01-20T17:10:46.777" UserId="282070" />
  <row Id="20222" PostId="8587" Score="1" Text="@Pierre.Vriens Must be, I'll have to ask my wife (she's from Limburg ;) )" CreationDate="2016-01-22T10:05:02.790" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="20223" PostId="8587" Score="0" Text="Aha, then she must also know &quot;Ik ben Limburger, ... en daar ben ik fier op!&quot;" CreationDate="2016-01-22T10:07:48.907" UserId="282070" />
  <row Id="20309" PostId="8590" Score="0" Text="I have nothing against your answer, but arguments here would help people get the big picture." CreationDate="2016-02-01T09:09:28.603" UserId="162453" />
  <row Id="20310" PostId="8590" Score="0" Text="@Ninj When I wrote the question, I also wrote two stock answers, one `YES` and one `NO`, for people who wished simply to vote without expressing further opinions.  The comparitive votes on those two stock answers are the main reason I conclude that the community is in favour of such retagging.  Anyone who wants to speak at more length in an answer is welcome to do so, and several have; but my main interest was not to persuade others but to take the community's viewpoint." CreationDate="2016-02-01T09:26:01.533" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20311" PostId="8590" Score="0" Text="Oops, i missed the fact that you were the OP. However I don't like the idea to write ready YES/NO naswers to for lazy people. SF force is for non lazy people who have things to say :) But i may miss the point of the meta section, i'm not used to it yet." CreationDate="2016-02-01T10:47:28.320" UserId="162453" />
  <row Id="20315" PostId="8590" Score="1" Text="@Ninj I can't fault your understanding: meta is indeed different from the main site, and has a somewhat different set of practices (particularly as regards downvoting).  I certainly wouldn't pre-populate answers on the main site." CreationDate="2016-02-03T08:22:44.233" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20206" PostId="8591" Score="0" Text="I agree that orchestrating the reviewers will be near-to-impossible, and that changing the whole system is likely to be very slow, which is why I'm focussing on the original action." CreationDate="2016-01-21T08:49:15.677" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20207" PostId="8591" Score="5" Text="Yeah the system wasn't designed for his kind of activity on relatively low traffic sites.  I think the OP needs to slow down on the edits. I'll leave them a link here." CreationDate="2016-01-21T09:02:52.010" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20210" PostId="8592" Score="1" Text="Editing is encouraged by the system and does not require orchestration by a moderator." CreationDate="2016-01-21T09:43:06.210" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20211" PostId="8592" Score="3" Text="@Iain - generally I agree, but mass editing should be done with some restraint (IMHO)." CreationDate="2016-01-21T09:48:26.687" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="20231" PostId="8592" Score="0" Text="I've posted a separate [question](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8596/help-with-mass-retagging-of-ftp-related-posts) to address the mass re-tagging.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2016-01-22T17:44:34.660" UserId="253490" />
  <row Id="20312" PostId="8592" Score="1" Text="I'd like to know _how_ the mods can deal with mass retagging much better than anyone else." CreationDate="2016-02-01T10:59:04.293" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20217" PostId="8593" Score="0" Text="Maybe edits on items older than some SE site specified time frame should NOT be moved to the front page.  I'd suggest that questions older than 3 months should not be pushed to the front page after an edit." CreationDate="2016-01-21T18:33:54.677" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="20218" PostId="8593" Score="4" Text="+1 To make the cleaning, and by the author I respect that. For the question of bringing old stuff's up, well, it's more a SO/SF's issue, as the cleaning is never bad to do.If people does not like that, well, they can select 'newest', not 'active', as I already do (as the 'community' robot keep pooping old unanswered question anyway)" CreationDate="2016-01-21T20:56:44.467" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20219" PostId="8593" Score="5" Text="@mdpc The purpose of the push to the front page is community oversight. Imagine the spam that would get edited n if noone saw the changes." CreationDate="2016-01-21T21:09:52.067" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20245" PostId="8593" Score="0" Text="SO is absolutely massive, and no one person is going to materially affect the front page. SF is significantly smaller, and it may be best to edit in small short bursts to avoid flooding." CreationDate="2016-01-25T23:41:27.593" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="20246" PostId="8593" Score="0" Text="See also: http://meta.superuser.com/a/10816/31641. Don't go looking for problems you cannot fix. (I've been guilty of this myself in the past.)" CreationDate="2016-01-25T23:49:01.953" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="20225" PostId="8594" Score="0" Text="Original answer, which outlined the technical question's actual solution: http://serverfault.com/a/648087/104682" CreationDate="2016-01-22T13:56:24.670" UserId="104682" />
  <row Id="20227" PostId="8594" Score="5" Text="This was off topic and horrible on the actual Server Fault site.  It's even more off topic and more horrible on Meta Server Fault." CreationDate="2016-01-22T15:05:27.813" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20228" PostId="8594" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b - you _are_ hopeless. Nice to see you again." CreationDate="2016-01-22T15:08:31.780" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="20229" PostId="8594" Score="2" Text="I would disagree that having this meta discussion here is off-topic. It's just there really isn't much to discuss ..." CreationDate="2016-01-22T15:12:30.990" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20230" PostId="8594" Score="5" Text="@Sven I'm having trouble telling if this is complaining about the question being closed... *over a year ago* ... or an attempt to repost/promote the question here, since it didn't get the reception he wanted on the main. Hence, the close vote." CreationDate="2016-01-22T15:28:35.887" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20238" PostId="8594" Score="3" Text="It's obvious that this is a project that you really care about.  I mainly remember it, however, from [your meta post when it was closed](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6838/does-irrationality-have-to-be-contagious).  I say this with all respect and good intention:  Let it go." CreationDate="2016-01-23T04:13:18.727" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20236" PostId="8599" Score="0" Text="That's fine; is there some way to enlist the aid of a moderator, or someone who can make these changes (assuming they're approved)?  I'm not particular about _myself_ doing the changes; I'd just like to contribute this as part of helping to organize these FTP-related posts." CreationDate="2016-01-22T20:08:17.250" UserId="253490" />
  <row Id="20237" PostId="8599" Score="4" Text="@TJSaunders *&lt;shrug&gt;*  That would just shift the disruption to a moderator, which is not an improvement.  I personally think you're worrying too much. SE doesn't care about it enough to anything to fix it (it's been a well known issue for years), and there aren't enough quality questions or participation from whatever's left of the community on ServerFault that disrupting the active view makes much of a difference anyway. Now the active view is flooded with recently edited questions about ftp, rather than the usual flood of completely useless crap. Having a hard time finding a problem in that." CreationDate="2016-01-22T20:18:12.953" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20240" PostId="8600" Score="4" Text="Just as a note `111.111.111.111` is in a range owned by KDDI (Japanese telecom carrier), `bar.com` is owned by some individual who has dedicated the http://bar.com/ web site to complain about people abusing their domain name." CreationDate="2016-01-23T13:10:14.077" UserId="183318" />
  <row Id="20244" PostId="8600" Score="3" Text="Another common replacement is &quot;domain.com&quot; and &quot;mydomain.com&quot;, both of which are owned by actual companies. I sometimes feel I spend an inordinate amount of time replacing those with &quot;example&quot; instead." CreationDate="2016-01-23T14:49:03.957" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20250" PostId="8601" Score="2" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5316/when-is-an-answer-not-an-answer" CreationDate="2016-01-27T14:19:01.120" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20282" PostId="8601" Score="0" Text="Clarifying, the reason why a link to a video is not valid, is that even though it answers the question for the user now, that link/video may not work in X period of time from now.  An answer should be self-contained on this site and not dependent on another external site as the internet is quite fluid and StackExchange (and friends), needs to keep self-contained to protect the integrity of questions and solutions" CreationDate="2016-01-30T08:43:17.183" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20251" PostId="8602" Score="3" Text="...and now that it's been voted down to -3, it's now accepting delete votes from the community... if there's anyone else around who has that priv." CreationDate="2016-01-27T16:48:45.093" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20274" PostId="8604" Score="0" Text="@EEAA - http://meta.serverfault.com/a/8061/216553 -- voted up 24.   Can't see grand totals, but the subject (although a bit hazy), is pretty much the point I am trying to make.  Administrative = okay.  User CP = no." CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:54:11.070" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20275" PostId="8604" Score="0" Text="Go ahead and lock this too.  Just shows how censorship works." CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:54:39.680" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20257" PostId="8605" Score="3" Text="A careful reading of the comments of this question reveals that the user _has already been in contact with cPanel_ and found that the functionality he wants simply is not available (yet). I cannot imagine what more he thought third parties could do." CreationDate="2016-01-30T06:10:43.470" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20258" PostId="8605" Score="0" Text="Yes, I read that." CreationDate="2016-01-30T06:11:24.257" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20261" PostId="8605" Score="0" Text="`It was closed because the mere presence of cPanel on a server makes troubleshooting this sort of thing difficult if not impossible to do without causing the entire cPanel house of cards to fall down around you` Interesting you should state that as I managed to do just that troubleshooting to go from what cPanel's PCI compliant 'B' rating to 'A-' on cPanel web services without said 'house of cards' falling down or any actual deep modifications to the system.  I think you are thinking about Plesk, or if cPanel, from 1996 when linux distros themselves was not stable." CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:20:53.233" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20262" PostId="8605" Score="0" Text="If by unpopular in the community, you mean only those with 50k + rep matter, then sure, in that you may be right since it's all about quota.  Easy questions = fast rep.  But that question aside from 50k+ reppers, was not being recieved badly until it got run over by Michael.  What you failed to understand is the issue is in regards to setting the protocols, for which, even Dovecot is a mystery.  cPanel just provided a box to apply that more conveniently across basic services." CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:24:25.977" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20263" PostId="8605" Score="0" Text="Further &gt; `cPanel messes up a server to such an extreme extent that standard sysadmin practices, tools, troubleshooting techniques no longer work`  &gt; and then you must exclude pretty much every distro of linux or windows since they vary dramatically from even a tiny point revision or even installation choices, server selection, and so on.  Your statement bears no prudence as to why a server running cPanel is not subject to questions about administration.  If you took two seconds, you would notice that it's all the same shit as on other boxes + monitoring. Nothing super special under !" CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:28:40.043" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20264" PostId="8605" Score="0" Text="`Don't use a product that hampers you from doing your job` LOL.  Show me one product that does everything cPanel does -- better, and I will use it.  Mainly user delegation and full CP for users to administer their jailed environment auto-configurable using a secure web api.  --- ready ... .GO &gt;&gt;" CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:31:05.890" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20265" PostId="8605" Score="0" Text="@SanuelJackson I'm not going to argue this with you. You have a different opinion than the SF community. That's fine. It's clear that you feel strongly about this. Unfortunately you're unlikely to sway the community's perspective on this with questions and comments like you've been posting. I'd recommend letting this lie and using Server Fault for other topics, or just forget about the site altogether." CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:33:12.647" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20266" PostId="8605" Score="0" Text="The 'community' consisting of 50k+ reppers.... sure.  ServerFault is useless if not for discussion about 'Server' administration. When you let shit like http://serverfault.com/questions/702383/how-to-create-a-subdomain-on-cpanel-while-cloudflare-is-hosting-my-dns on, which isn't even ADMIN, that is UserCP --- so hypocritical" CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:33:56.960" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20267" PostId="8605" Score="0" Text="@SanuelJackson Well, 22 people up-voted [this answer](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/8095/20815), if you subtract the answerer (who can't up-vote his own answer), there are only 16 50k+ users. So at least 6 others agree with us. :)" CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:37:27.287" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20268" PostId="8605" Score="0" Text="@SanuelJackson Did you notice that the question you linked to was indeed **closed**, within 2 hours of it being posted? Please, I understand that you're upset. I really do, but please try and stop with the whining and complaining. If you really want to sway opinion here, being constructive will be helpful." CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:39:35.773" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20269" PostId="8605" Score="0" Text="ok, so if you completely ignore the fact that generally, people are adding answers to these questions and positive comments before super meta has a chance to insta-close, means nothing right ?  I am trying to be more constructive, but it's near impossible as I don't see how one can justify that 'the community' doesn't want this, when there is clearly a demand, and response. -- until meta comes along and closes." CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:40:16.220" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20270" PostId="8605" Score="0" Text="Doesn't change the fact that the topic is still verboten." CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:40:56.943" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20271" PostId="8605" Score="0" Text="Also, &quot;generally&quot;, it's not actually true that people are adding answers to most off-topic questions. In fact, I've seen cPanel questions sit for days without an answer. Of course, it gets closed and eventually deleted automatically by the system, so you can't see those." CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:43:03.980" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20272" PostId="8605" Score="0" Text="If it was pertaining to `how do i manage my website in cpanel`, this is somewhat understandable as they are a user, on a host, and likely not an admin.  There are even videos of how to do literally everything from usercp side.  But when it pertains to more complex management like making an adjustment that would change a setting in 4 programs, finding a compatable string for that parameter that they all support would be nice -- since they all accept the EXACT same param." CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:43:55.313" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20273" PostId="8605" Score="0" Text="OK, we're done now. This discussion is going no-where and apparently you refuse to acknowledge the reason why the community has the view it does on cPanel." CreationDate="2016-01-30T07:45:47.327" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20276" PostId="8606" Score="0" Text="Not likely to fail -- 100% fail, and that was added as a comment on that tag by meta with appropriate privileges which is how much rep again ?   I have requested deletion of my question on a highly censored topic, cPanel.  And if it is so verboten, then please, unhijack the cpanel keyword and you will not have the onslaught of people asking questions which you think no one should ask and even when they are responded to, you think, no one wants to answer them. --   this is in general, not specific to you MadHatter." CreationDate="2016-01-30T08:03:11.120" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20277" PostId="8606" Score="0" Text="Regarding a hearing, I don't see this as a hearing when 'the community' (definition of that in question) is unwilling to discuss.   As is showing in the recent onslaught of cPanel questions, and dating back, they have answers and good discussion before 50k'ers come along and disrupt the healthy responses with closing/on-hold, and pointing to something vague saying it isn't allowed, meanwhile exactly a 100% closure/on-hold/deletion rate." CreationDate="2016-01-30T08:06:22.510" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20278" PostId="8606" Score="0" Text="Sorry, @SanuelJackson; &quot;*not likely to fail*&quot; what?  I applaud you for requesting deletion of your original question, but I note that you don't need to ask a mod to do it; you can delete your own question with the link at the base of it.  As regards hearings, I agree with you; as I said, you can't expect such in comments - discussions are not what comments are for.  If you think there's a question to be asked, here on meta, *go ahead and ask it*.  It will likely go better if you show awareness of previous discussions on the subject, and try to show how things have changed since then." CreationDate="2016-01-30T08:06:27.280" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20279" PostId="8606" Score="0" Text="sorry -- the `Not likely to fail` meaning, your `likely` in `likely to fail` makes it sound like it's possible for acceptance of a cPanel question.  I call bullshit as the fail rate is 100%.  Doesn't matter how obscure, or how simple -- on hold/deleted/closed is the result for 100% of ALL cPanel questions.  `likely` leaves open the possibility of fair assesment and inclusion at least some of the time." CreationDate="2016-01-30T08:10:55.790" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20280" PostId="8606" Score="6" Text="@SanuelJackson **comments are not the place for this - or any other - discussion**.  If you think you can make a cogent argument for a change in cPanel policy, I urge you to make it in the appropriate way: post a **question** to meta arguing your case, and see if you can win community support.  I have made some recommendations about how I think this might be best done, but whether you heed them is of course up to you." CreationDate="2016-01-30T08:14:12.300" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20291" PostId="8607" Score="8" Text="Sadly it's going to take a long time for our google rankings for cPanel to diminish, personally It can't be too quick as most (if not all) of the questions we get regarding systems it is installed on are terrible and make the internet worse for being asked." CreationDate="2016-01-30T12:43:12.277" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20292" PostId="8607" Score="0" Text="Correct,  there isn't really anything better that does the same thing.  Ajeni is good in the regard that it doesn't interfere with the software, but then it is limited in the way that it doesn't provide users with jailed control over their stuff. Plesk = nightmare. If you hate cPanel, then Plesk, is the place Hell would go that is worse than Hell, especially so on Windows. Regarding server admin and 'professional' hosting.  If you don't provide users with control over their stuff, you certainly do not offer 'professional' hosting." CreationDate="2016-01-30T17:31:35.903" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20305" PostId="8607" Score="5" Text="`intentionally misled here due to search results on google` Seems like either very poor wording, or some tin-foil stuff. Most people here are systems administrators, very few of us ever come in contact with cPanel machines. When we do, and the machines have issues, it tends to be unsolvable without official support. As such these questions, while they tended to receive support in the past, have with the narrowing of the sites scope lost their grace. It's not a conspiracy, it's also not that big a deal. It's one subject that tends to get closed easier (not 100%) than others." CreationDate="2016-01-30T19:16:10.063" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="20307" PostId="8607" Score="0" Text="I love the play on words and adjustment of context to make this sound like I am making this up.  Your 'not 100%' is a load, as a simple search reveals. While you may retroactively adjust this to make it seem untrue, as of writing this, no such evidence contradicts my statement of fact.  Regarding intent on misleading, yes, that is what this is.  And 'pro' server admins, right, because everyone here is working on SPARC servers. Running a homebrew install of Ubuntu that happens to have apache, is not 'pro admin'. But that is another discussion." CreationDate="2016-01-30T19:21:52.110" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20352" PostId="8607" Score="4" Text="I feel like you're intentionally using as many English idioms and as much pseudo-legalese as you possibly can. This is noticeable, in part, because you also demonstrate a complete disregard for the rules of capitalization and grammar. Your post reads like the stream-of-consciousness ramblings of a homeless man with a penchant for cPanel. The result stretches the definition of &quot;readable&quot; to its logical limit. I feel less knowledgeable for having read it. Please, please proofread next time." CreationDate="2016-02-15T18:59:07.460" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="20283" PostId="8608" Score="2" Text="http://serverfault.com/search?q=cpanel shows that your mythical unicorn of alleged supported cpanel questions is non-existant .  Keeping this, shows fear that losing said traffic on these words, will end serverfault due to lack of traffic / support." CreationDate="2016-01-30T08:50:13.920" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20284" PostId="8608" Score="0" Text="Welp: http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/cpanel" CreationDate="2016-01-30T08:51:32.187" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20285" PostId="8608" Score="7" Text="Making baseless statements about cPanel-related traffic and Server Fault's reliance on it for its existence is adorable. :)" CreationDate="2016-01-30T08:53:16.910" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20286" PostId="8608" Score="0" Text="So you only close questions on cPanel that actually get a decent response ?   Sorry, but if you travel to http://serverfault.com/search?q=cpanel that has a higher response rate than http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/cpanel  does.    You also, have yet to prove otherwise.  here is baseless." CreationDate="2016-01-30T08:53:48.583" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20287" PostId="8608" Score="6" Text="No, closure has absolutely nothing to do with what answers (if any at all) a question gets. Questions are closed on the question's merits only." CreationDate="2016-01-30T08:55:55.030" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20288" PostId="8608" Score="0" Text="I think the point just sailed over you in a jet .    The 'closed' questions (inclusive of onhold and other negative flags), have better response than your tagged questions.  That response being mitigated/halted by disrupting it with a negative status change.  If questions did not have 'merit', and people (as you allege : `the community`) do not wish to engage, then why do they counter against your reality until forcibly preventing them or discouraging engagement. I do notice you and your buddies downvotes tho.  appreciate that :)" CreationDate="2016-01-30T08:58:48.333" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20289" PostId="8608" Score="7" Text="Ooookay then. Dude, perhaps you should consider that Sever Fault isn't the place for you. Have a good weekend." CreationDate="2016-01-30T09:09:58.963" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20293" PostId="8608" Score="0" Text="I couldn't help but notice how lacking your last comment was in respect to contribution to this discussion.  Your use of an exaggerated 'okay' combined with slang, followed up with attempts to dissuade further debate, and topping it off with a facetious sentence,  does not look professional at all, nor does it contribute to this discussion in any meaningful manner. I get the up votes from the immature, and the 50k+ rep elect, but please keep the discussion to the matter at hand and refrain from personal attacks. cPanel does get answered by the community, until you guys discourage/prevent that." CreationDate="2016-01-30T17:38:32.997" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20294" PostId="8608" Score="6" Text="There was not a single personal attack from me, nor any other SF user involved in this entire discussion. I was elected by the community to do my job in a respectful manner, and to represent the community's interests. I believe I'm doing that job well, and haven't ever heard otherwise from a single user nor SE staff. If you think otherwise, well, state your case and give evidence." CreationDate="2016-01-30T17:49:07.743" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20295" PostId="8608" Score="4" Text="Additionally, I am not trying to discourage debate. I was merely trying to communicate that I was tired of trying to explain things to you multiple times, to no effect, and that I would bow out. You're free to engage others if you'd like. My wish that you have a good weekend was genuine. Honestly. Perhaps you think that we're out to get you, or that we have a bone to pick with you. That is not the case. I have no reason to not wish you a good weekend." CreationDate="2016-01-30T17:50:03.977" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20298" PostId="8608" Score="0" Text="Everything is in context. While you believe the duality of the statement itself being possible to be a positive statement, in conjunction with encouragement to leave the server under the guise of a suggestion, which was preceded by a long noun &quot;Ooookay then&quot; ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=okay+then... ), and calling me a 'Dude', gives reasonable context to those statements intention as being anything less than the purity of intent you claim. Further, it did not provide any benefit to this question outside of encouraging the discouragement of this topic." CreationDate="2016-01-30T19:02:17.093" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20300" PostId="8608" Score="2" Text="&quot;I don't care&quot; is **precisely** what I was trying to communicate. Not about you, but about the discussion and the way you've carried yourself through it. So yes, Urban Dictionary's definition of my phrase is absolutely in line with my meaning. I'm done with this discussion. We are very willing to have debate, but the way you're going about trying to sway opinion is non-constructive and frankly, non-effective. If you would have presented your case, without vitriol and inflammation, things would have gone much differently." CreationDate="2016-01-30T19:08:03.580" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20301" PostId="8608" Score="4" Text="But honestly, again, my wishes for a good weekend were indeed genuine. I am perfectly capable of separating someone's *actions* from their *person*. Sure, I don't particularly appreciate your *actions* in this discussion, but for a reasonable and respectful person, why would I not wish a good weekend for you?" CreationDate="2016-01-30T19:10:10.997" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20299" PostId="8609" Score="0" Text="The solutions provided are not impossible. #3 is current status, and while facetious, is forthright and accurate in description whether this is favorable or not, the intent was to bring to the table clearly, and concisely the predicament serverfault is in currently.   #1 and #2 are viable solutions.  Keywording your site for content you do not support is shady and primarily used by very slimy places online.  I do not feel that this is a 'best practices' measure for this site and what i said in combination makes this a very poor resource when landing here under those terms. Bait and switch." CreationDate="2016-01-30T19:08:01.110" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20302" PostId="8609" Score="1" Text="#2 is &quot;impossible&quot; because it's not how this place works.  The community of active users are not the owners, it's not our site, we don't care about the traffic stats." CreationDate="2016-01-30T19:11:40.873" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="20303" PostId="8609" Score="0" Text="Also, I have seen claims that cPanel is supported under certain conditions.  If said conditions exist, they would be listed. Further, there would be historical examples of non-closed (or otherwise negatively adjusted by meta) cPanel threads with healthy discussion.  From what I can tell, this has yet to happen.  There are a couple here and there open with cPanel, but not about administrating that box, and thus justification for my claim that cPanel is verboten even from an administrative perspective due to lack of understanding." CreationDate="2016-01-30T19:12:52.887" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20304" PostId="8609" Score="0" Text="I wish that was correct, but it is well known, when a community on stackexchange fails to meet certain numbers statistically, that community is closed or put under review pending judgement. It is also feasible for meta to remove all such content, including the keyword, as certain ranks can delete keywords, and even higher can delete posts/questions." CreationDate="2016-01-30T19:14:30.810" UserId="216553" />
  <row Id="20306" PostId="8609" Score="10" Text="I don't believe a graduated site has ever been shut down. To get to the point of being shut down you have to get to very low levels of questions which even without the cPanel stuff isn't likely to happen on SF. You are flogging a dead donkey, honestly give up you're becoming a troll." CreationDate="2016-01-30T19:19:03.107" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20319" PostId="8615" Score="5" Text="OK, which one do you want to delete? We are already at the maximum number of custom close reasons." CreationDate="2016-02-11T14:46:25.260" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20320" PostId="8615" Score="14" Text="The &quot;managing information technology systems in a business environment&quot; and &quot;reasonable business information technology management practices&quot; could be merged; the former mainly suggests taking unrelated questions to StackOverflow or SuperUser, but that is already covered by &quot;belongs on another site&quot;, which also allows specifying which one." CreationDate="2016-02-11T14:50:56.257" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20322" PostId="8615" Score="6" Text="I would name the closure &quot;My cat know more on that matter than a lot of people, especially you.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-02-11T21:01:26.620" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20325" PostId="8615" Score="3" Text="Or we could go biblical: **&quot;Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do&quot;**." CreationDate="2016-02-11T22:51:44.560" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20328" PostId="8615" Score="0" Text="I'm at the point where I don't care what the default close vote reasons are. As long as there's a custom input where I can supply my own reason, I use it. Given how many people thereafter select my custom reason as a close reason, I think we as individuals can do better than what SF allows us to officially have. Don't worry about it, just make up your own." CreationDate="2016-02-12T00:58:58.437" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="20331" PostId="8615" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton see my answer for a possible solution." CreationDate="2016-02-12T03:18:53.130" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20336" PostId="8615" Score="5" Text="Here are [close reason statistics for the last 90 days](http://i.stack.imgur.com/hJ87G.png)." CreationDate="2016-02-12T03:30:22.140" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20337" PostId="8615" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Nice info to have, thanks." CreationDate="2016-02-12T03:39:18.480" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20330" PostId="8616" Score="0" Text="A small nit: &quot;As A&quot; should not be capitalised, otherwise you don't get the cool &quot;aaS&quot; mixed case suffixes in the acronyms." CreationDate="2016-02-12T02:50:03.373" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="20334" PostId="8616" Score="1" Text="See my answer for a possible solution; I'm of course trying to be diplomatic here... feel free to use a more blunt approach if you think it's appropriate ;)" CreationDate="2016-02-12T03:25:41.363" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20338" PostId="8616" Score="5" Text="@womble Acronyms as a Service?  Just a bunch of AaaS, if you ask me :)" CreationDate="2016-02-12T07:32:00.880" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20339" PostId="8616" Score="2" Text="YAAaaS anyone ?" CreationDate="2016-02-12T08:36:28.767" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20353" PostId="8616" Score="0" Text="Why would you need to remove the &quot;reasonable business information technology management practices&quot; reason?  Is there a rule which limits the number of close reasons?" CreationDate="2016-02-15T22:24:26.150" UserId="119540" />
  <row Id="20354" PostId="8616" Score="2" Text="@Trisped: Yes, for SE imposed UI reasons we're limited to 5." CreationDate="2016-02-15T23:05:56.323" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20323" PostId="8617" Score="6" Text="That question you linked as an example made me actually *cringe*. Using Windows XP as a &quot;server&quot; and wanting to upgrade it to Windows 7 *without even turning it off* because &quot;it's a critical system and lots of people use it&quot;... **&quot;Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do&quot;** (TM)." CreationDate="2016-02-11T22:49:15.753" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20324" PostId="8617" Score="0" Text="...hey, that New Testament quote would be *really* good as a close reason :)" CreationDate="2016-02-11T22:50:40.057" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20326" PostId="8617" Score="0" Text="Anyway, you are of course right: too much wording is too much open to interpretations, and gives false hopes about revising or discussing a fundamentally flawed question (or, even worse, *attacking people who are telling you how much your question sucks*, as actually happened in my example)." CreationDate="2016-02-11T22:55:23.080" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20327" PostId="8617" Score="1" Text="@Massimo It's pretty common, actually... they'll @ someone asking why their question got closed/downvoted or what was wrong with it, and then get pissed off and start flaming when they get an answer (even a polite one).  Reason #47 I stopped bothering to try to explain my votes, or help people improve. They'd just get pissed off, and as fun as it was snarking back at them, mod flags would get thrown, no-no mod messages would be sent, blah, blah, blah.  Too much drama, especially when all too often the answer is that the question is just bad, and that's all there is to say about it." CreationDate="2016-02-11T23:01:13.060" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20329" PostId="8617" Score="0" Text="`Personally, I think that if the powers that be at StackExchange would ease up a little on allowable custom-close reasons, the problem would solve itself.` There are no limitations that I've ever run into, and I've put in some pretty acidic custom close reasons." CreationDate="2016-02-12T00:59:59.007" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="20335" PostId="8617" Score="0" Text="See my answer for a possible solution; I'm of course trying to be diplomatic here... feel free to use a more blunt approach if you think it's appropriate ;)" CreationDate="2016-02-12T03:26:02.190" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20355" PostId="8617" Score="0" Text="it's a 2 year old question that was closed with the &quot;must demonstrate a minimal understanding of the problem being solved.&quot; answer when it was around.  the &quot;reasonable practices&quot; close answer would have been used today" CreationDate="2016-02-16T04:05:17.407" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="20410" PostId="8617" Score="1" Text="@Wesley I mean to say that there are 5 OT close reasons in the UI.  I don't think there's any question as to how quickly a certain someone would yank the diamond of a moderator who used one of those slots for a brutally honest close reason like `Your question is bad and you should feel bad. GO AWAY.`" CreationDate="2016-02-22T01:19:17.203" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20332" PostId="8618" Score="2" Text="See my answer for a possible solution; the last two ones can (and IMHO should) be easily merged." CreationDate="2016-02-12T03:19:54.493" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20351" PostId="8618" Score="0" Text="We *did* figure out what to do about it: the *non-professional* close reason.  We were told we couldn't do it any more." CreationDate="2016-02-15T14:56:36.747" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20340" PostId="8619" Score="6" Text="`If you think you are out of your depth working on this issue,` I don't think it's a good idea to rely on their abilities to properly assess their situation, particularly when we've just VTCed/closed their question for not being able to properly assess whether it belongs here or not. I think it would be better to use something more declarative, like&quot; `it may be advisable for you to undertake additional training, hire a professional, or even die in a fire (to suffer for the horrible thing you asked about doing).&quot;" CreationDate="2016-02-12T16:22:47.300" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20341" PostId="8619" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b Agreed, the advice should probably be more explicit, along the lines of &quot;it may be advisable for you to read some documentation, undertake additional training or hire a professional&quot;; but it would be probably better to leave out the part about dying in a fire, even if the OP probably deserves it." CreationDate="2016-02-12T16:40:10.993" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20343" PostId="8619" Score="1" Text="As much as possible, we should try to direct the clueless towards what they need to do in order to participate in a meaningful way. Instead of claiming a lack of &quot;basic understanding&quot; we should emphasize the need to explain what research has already been done. Perhaps a question-closed reason of &quot;Insufficient prior research: describe your problem in detail. Include the steps you've already tried to resolve your problem and links to the information you've already found in the process of attempting to resolve it.&quot; would work?" CreationDate="2016-02-12T21:12:57.187" UserId="324016" />
  <row Id="20344" PostId="8619" Score="0" Text="@SteveBonds There is already one. &quot;Questions seeking installation, configuration or diagnostic help must include the desired end state, the specific problem or error, sufficient information about the configuration and environment to reproduce it, and attempted solutions. Questions without a clear problem statement are not useful to other readers and are unlikely to get good answers.&quot; exists exactly for this purpose." CreationDate="2016-02-12T21:36:46.533" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20348" PostId="8619" Score="0" Text="@Massimo: While that does cover &quot;attempted solutions&quot;, it may not be sufficient guidance for new folks to ensure that they provide a detailed description of their prior research efforts. It also appears to intentionally limit its scope to installation, configuration, or diagnostic questions. I think **ANY** question should show a reasonable level of independent solution-finding has already be done. We should help educate the new folks in how to ask good questions." CreationDate="2016-02-13T17:07:52.860" UserId="324016" />
  <row Id="20349" PostId="8619" Score="7" Text="@Steve The real problem is that most people who ask questions don't want to be educated. They want someone else to do the thinking for them from reading the logs and error messages right up to a full blown implementation of whatever it takes to solve their issue.  If you don't provide that they get all salty." CreationDate="2016-02-13T18:52:44.367" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20357" PostId="8619" Score="0" Text="What's the point of &quot;unsupported hardware or software platforms&quot;? &quot;Support&quot; is a thing you pay someone to provide and has nothing to do with the quality of a question." CreationDate="2016-02-16T23:15:17.167" UserId="129773" />
  <row Id="20358" PostId="8619" Score="4" Text="@MikeyT.K. It's not about paid support, it's more akin to &quot;even the vendor doesn't think what you are trying to do with its product makes any sense&quot;." CreationDate="2016-02-16T23:54:46.633" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20359" PostId="8619" Score="4" Text="@MikeyT.K. Great.  You volunteering to answer perfectly reasonable questions about deploying Windows 3.11?  For that matter, I'm having trouble getting my copy of [GM-NAA_I/O](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM-NAA_I/O) working properly.  Please to be performing the needful." CreationDate="2016-02-17T00:33:43.677" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20372" PostId="8619" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b  [I see nothing that suggests old gear is off topic for the site,](http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic) and that goes double knowing how much legacy crap is kicking around the average enterprise. You literally invented that phrase out of mid air, it does not reflect the norms or rules of an acceptable question. Your attitude is shockingly horrible. Stop." CreationDate="2016-02-17T05:02:08.470" UserId="129773" />
  <row Id="20378" PostId="8619" Score="4" Text="@HopelessN00b your attitude is excellent.  Keep it up." CreationDate="2016-02-17T11:35:49.490" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20397" PostId="8619" Score="1" Text="@Mikey T.K. There in fact isa close reason referring to unsupported systems." CreationDate="2016-02-21T01:13:31.980" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="20345" PostId="8620" Score="1" Text="Didn't know about this, I always thought only index numbers were allowed. Great to know." CreationDate="2016-02-12T21:39:56.520" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20350" PostId="8621" Score="0" Text="Since I apparently can't edit it... It's also worth pointing out that you can also use the syntax: `[RFC 1796][]` so long as the later citation is the same string (i.e. `[RFC 1796]: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1796`)." CreationDate="2016-02-15T14:48:53.273" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="20381" PostId="8621" Score="0" Text="You can even use `[RFC 1796]` in this case, which is the most readable version anyway (in unformatted markdown sources)." CreationDate="2016-02-17T22:50:19.750" UserId="98727" />
  <row Id="20342" PostId="8623" Score="0" Text="I see.The VPN is for a business purpose, but I am currently debugging it on my own iPhone. Perhaps the wording was poorly chosen. Thank you." CreationDate="2016-02-12T20:05:29.487" UserId="337280" />
  <row Id="20356" PostId="8624" Score="3" Text="If you look at where people who ask questions have most rep on SE then the last time I checked &gt;60% of the questions on SF came from people who would identify themselves as Developers/DevOPs (primary rep on SO). ~10% come from people with primary accounts  elsewhere on SE. The remainder are primary accounts on SF though some significant proportion of that remainder is low rep accounts that are likely to be developers who just haven't  used SO though. So youe you're right." CreationDate="2016-02-16T06:26:13.770" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20360" PostId="8625" Score="1" Text="This discussion is about *close reasons*. I know well enough that the *actual* close reason is not relevant at all, it's just  abunch of text describing why you would like a question to be closed. But since we are limited in the possible close reasons we can use (unless we take time to write custom ones for each VTC), it makes sense to have one addressing the (sadly) most common reason we're VTC, i.e. &quot;you don't have a clue about what you're doing&quot;." CreationDate="2016-02-17T01:01:42.733" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20361" PostId="8625" Score="3" Text="@Massimo Why should such questions be closed, then? Easier all round to just downvote them into oblivion." CreationDate="2016-02-17T01:03:09.390" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20362" PostId="8625" Score="4" Text="Yeah... Using a close reason to tell someone that they're clueless is a waste of time, a rube-goldbergian arrangement for doing something you *could* just say in a comment and *should* just say with a downvote. It's ineffective, chews up close votes and reviewer time that could be used for more pressing problems, and ends up just demoralizing the voters when eventually they realize that their votes aren't accomplishing anything. I'll forever regret adding that close reason on Stack Overflow, and never get back the time and goodwill I squandered trying to make it work... So why ask for it?" CreationDate="2016-02-17T01:05:16.070" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="20363" PostId="8625" Score="0" Text="About downvoting: the single strongest reason it's so rarely used is because of the reputation penalty involved in using it. People would use it rather more liberally if each downvote didn't mean a -1 for them, too. And yes, of course, -1 rep is very little... but it's definitely enough to abstain from mass-downvoting bad questions and only use it when a question is *outrageously* bad; I really don't think getting -1000 rep is a worthy reward for *helping the community by pointing out 1000 bad questions*." CreationDate="2016-02-17T01:08:28.913" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20364" PostId="8625" Score="6" Text="You might be interested to know that downvotes on questions are free to the voter, @Massimo." CreationDate="2016-02-17T01:09:29.680" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="20365" PostId="8625" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Closed questions get deleted after a while, open questions with low votes don't." CreationDate="2016-02-17T01:10:37.393" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20366" PostId="8625" Score="2" Text="@Massimo Actually, [yes they do](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/92006/189912). Downvoting has more advantages: For instance, at -4, the post is removed from the homepage, and thus gets lower ranking in search engines." CreationDate="2016-02-17T01:11:12.900" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20367" PostId="8625" Score="0" Text="Also [not true](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/78048/enable-automatic-deletion-of-old-unanswered-zero-score-questions-after-a-year/92006#92006), @Massimo. I should post some deletion stats here..." CreationDate="2016-02-17T01:11:23.893" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="20368" PostId="8625" Score="0" Text="Ok, my bad, I didn't know downvotes on questions have no rep penalty and questions with -1 score are automatically deleted (but only if they have no answer)." CreationDate="2016-02-17T01:15:56.013" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20369" PostId="8625" Score="2" Text="But my point still stands: since we *have* close reasons and we *do* close questions, it would be better to revise those reasons to properly address why we are VTC." CreationDate="2016-02-17T01:17:30.830" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20370" PostId="8625" Score="0" Text="Why? What problem are you hoping to solve with this, @Massimo?" CreationDate="2016-02-17T02:01:53.023" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="20371" PostId="8625" Score="1" Text="Btw: [deletion stats](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8627/what-posts-get-deleted-and-why/8628#8628)" CreationDate="2016-02-17T02:05:17.620" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="20373" PostId="8625" Score="3" Text="&gt; So again: what problem are you trying to solve here? Quality control - simples." CreationDate="2016-02-17T06:05:47.037" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20375" PostId="8625" Score="4" Text="Oh look, management drives by yet again, and yet again tells us that we can't try to manage the river of floaty brown questions the way we'd like to.  @Shog9, you and I have personally talked about these issues before (if you remember); I was not then convinced that the paternalistic &quot;*we've seen this tried and it doesn't work*&quot; was valid, and I'm not convinced now." CreationDate="2016-02-17T08:07:48.053" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20377" PostId="8625" Score="6" Text="In addition to snark, it *does* occur to me that one way to significantly improve the use of downvoting to handle bad questions would be to add up/down voting buttons in the &quot;close&quot; queue review tool.  If I didn't have to open a new tab for each question that I'm reviewing - which takes nearly 10 seconds to load to the point that I can vote - I'd do it **much** more often." CreationDate="2016-02-17T08:18:11.840" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20379" PostId="8625" Score="1" Text="@MadHatter That is indeed an excellent suggestion. Do we already have a feature request for it? If not, you should post one." CreationDate="2016-02-17T12:42:18.013" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20382" PostId="8625" Score="5" Text="Closing a question prevents answers from people who don't know better. Preventing answers prevents those answers from getting upvoted. No upvoted answers keeps the question in the autodelete pile. Keeping them in the autodelete pile means that they don't have to be flagged for deletion, an option which only becomes available after the question is closed and meets the other criteria. What am I missing? The fact that deletion is perceived as a waste of time, or something else?" CreationDate="2016-02-17T23:42:23.000" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20383" PostId="8625" Score="2" Text="On a separate note, my takeaway from Michael's comment RE: -4 should be that I was mistaken to avoid piling on additional downvotes. This was done to avoid punitizing people with good intentions; it was good enough for me if the question was on track for deletion. If it keeps stuff off the front page though, I guess that's worth a few more drama explosions by clueless people." CreationDate="2016-02-17T23:50:32.760" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20388" PostId="8625" Score="3" Text="Yeah, I know how closing works @Andrew. The request here isn't for the ability to close things... It's for a reason to close questions that don't demonstrate a minimal understanding. Now, **I wrote that close reason originally** - it was aimed at homework questions where the asker clearly hadn't read any of the assigned reading, and writing an answer sufficient to bring him up to speed would involve posting essentially a textbook. Because that's actually a problem on SO periodically. But that's not your problem. Your problem is apparently that people write... answers that others find useful?" CreationDate="2016-02-18T23:07:07.247" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="20389" PostId="8625" Score="0" Text="I was specifically addressing the idea that closing was not accomplishing something useful. The comment doesn't really address it, and I'm not going to defend a straw man redirect." CreationDate="2016-02-18T23:12:00.700" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20390" PostId="8625" Score="0" Text="I didn't ask you to defend anything, @Andrew. I asked - several times now - what the purpose of this feature request was. Y'all can already close anything you want; the request is for the addition of a specific close reason. So far, no one has mentioned hordes of students converging on the site, so I'm gonna conclude that none of you know what that close reason means nor have any interest in using it appropriately... Which is the same thing that happened on SO and why I regret ever writing it. But, my question still stands - if there's a real problem here somewhere, *anywhere*, I'm all ears." CreationDate="2016-02-18T23:17:44.437" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="20391" PostId="8625" Score="0" Text="I'll rephrase then, since it relates as much to the last comment as the one before it. Please don't ping my name if the dialogue we're going to have is tangential to my query at best. :/ I have no significant interest in this close reason and I'm the wrong person to talk to about it. If all you're trying to say is that we should be downvoting more, that's cool and I'm happy to leave it at that. If the statement is more than that, specifics are nice." CreationDate="2016-02-18T23:55:28.687" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20392" PostId="8625" Score="5" Text="One thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned is that _we had this close reason_ in the past, and got rid of it, because it didn't really explain much of anything. Its replacement may not be _much_ better, but it does give people a direction to go in. Whether they are _capable_ of doing so is another matter, but if they aren't capable, that's not really our problem..." CreationDate="2016-02-19T00:21:57.817" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20393" PostId="8625" Score="0" Text="The original intent seems to perfectly fit our requirement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk" CreationDate="2016-02-19T05:31:25.657" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21845" PostId="8625" Score="0" Text="_&quot;what problem are you trying to solve here?&quot;_ - Easy. The proponents assert that such questions are not welcome here and thus shall not be answered and shall be deleted. And are asking for a &lt;s&gt;banhammer&lt;/s&gt; tool to facilitate that goal. Downvotes don't quite do the trick: they do not prevent answers or incite deletion, do not provide a streamlined way to inform the asker (for a problem of such magnitude, a streamlined solution is needed) and for a newcomer with 1 rep, neither do they matter points-wise -- have no effect for the purpose of the goal, in brief." CreationDate="2017-03-23T15:33:06.353" UserId="78984" />
  <row Id="20432" PostId="8627" Score="0" Text="Note that if you have 10k+ reputation, you can see most deleted answers." CreationDate="2016-02-23T15:12:51.143" UserId="104579" />
  <row Id="20376" PostId="8628" Score="3" Text="Fascinating stuff; +1 for both answers and the question from me.  Thank you!" CreationDate="2016-02-17T08:11:56.167" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20394" PostId="8628" Score="0" Text="What MadHatter said.  Thanks, Shog9!" CreationDate="2016-02-19T19:32:48.907" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20374" PostId="8629" Score="15" Text="&quot;*Moderator deletions and migrations are much more significant on SF*&quot; and may I say three cheers for our dedicated, indispensable, and rather-underpaid mods?" CreationDate="2016-02-17T07:59:03.127" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20380" PostId="8629" Score="5" Text="Our site-culture has long held that repugnant content needs to be removed *now* rather that wait for a consensus, so such posts get flags. In large part because us mods are trusted to respond to flags in a timely way (the days of the 4 hour average-flag-response time are long gone). If you merge the mod-smack and review-smack segments on both SO and SF charts, you get close-ish numbers." CreationDate="2016-02-17T13:42:29.487" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="20384" PostId="8629" Score="5" Text="&gt; `Deletion by 10K users is not very frequent on either site` - there is a good reason for that, you have hidden the UI in plain sight. When you find it, it is very difficult to use. For example it does not hide stuff that you have already voted on so it becomes an exercise in self flagellation and most people give up.  I even [raised the issue](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/113397/add-a-delete-tab-to-the-review-section) on mSE and it got ignored and merged into something completely different. So mission accomplished from your side I guess" CreationDate="2016-02-18T07:43:50.333" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20395" PostId="8629" Score="0" Text="&quot;A lot of answered questions get migrated away from SF.&quot;  I have a not-amazing but still top 21% rep on DBA.stackexchange.com that's mostly from migrations.  :)" CreationDate="2016-02-19T19:36:55.050" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20398" PostId="8629" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 I don't know if that's the case, I'd like to see flag numbers for both sites to compare.  If I'm reading the numbers below correctly, only .86% of questions were flagged." CreationDate="2016-02-21T02:12:55.390" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="20400" PostId="8629" Score="0" Text="@JimB Sally is right. The 5th line down, questions deleted by moderator, is a better proxy for a flag causing a moderator to hammer a question. The same goes for third down, answers mod-hammered. It is a rare question or answer that earns 6 spam-flags without being mod-hammered." CreationDate="2016-02-21T03:10:47.850" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="20408" PostId="8629" Score="0" Text="@sysadmin1138 so it looks like we have no numbers on actual flags other than spam/offensive." CreationDate="2016-02-21T19:27:43.320" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="20448" PostId="8629" Score="0" Text="@JimB There are very few people actively engaged with SF beyond getting their (mostly crappy) questions answered. Those few that are left mostly have the tools available to them not to need moderator intervention. For example I have cast just &lt;10 non spam/rude flags since 2014. It is the people in the middle gronud that generally cast flags. SF has very few of them." CreationDate="2016-02-25T07:06:09.403" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20386" PostId="8630" Score="5" Text="I think most administrators won't rely (exclusively) on the ability of any application or service to monitor itself but would cheer for any application that provides a useful interface that easily ties it in with their existing monitoring solution and the community can probably give you some useful pointers there." CreationDate="2016-02-18T14:19:40.953" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="20387" PostId="8630" Score="2" Text="`snmp` and `syslog` are examples of useful interfaces." CreationDate="2016-02-18T19:39:06.517" UserId="84104" />
  <row Id="20396" PostId="8632" Score="0" Text="I don't think he's asking how to develop a new Nagios, but is instead asking for pointers on how to make the failure of his service visible to monitoring tools." CreationDate="2016-02-20T13:04:30.177" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="20401" PostId="8632" Score="1" Text="@Reaces I hope that's the case, but the wording makes me suspect it's not. `I have a service, for which I have to develop [...] a mechanism which issues notification to the administrator if it fails.` Typically, the notification mechanism would be a monitoring service sending out an email/SMS to an administrator, and the mechanism for detecting failure would be... using your monitoring system to monitor the service in question. I really don't see how either requires development effort, unless, of course, he's trying develop a monitoring system specifically for/into this service he mentions." CreationDate="2016-02-21T03:22:15.087" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20460" PostId="8632" Score="0" Text="he could be using the service monitoring/recovery stuff in windows but it's hard to tell without the actual details- and why what's there isn't sufficient" CreationDate="2016-03-01T02:33:12.150" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="20402" PostId="8633" Score="0" Text="Tell us more about the environment." CreationDate="2016-02-21T14:34:58.560" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20404" PostId="8633" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton do mean what version of SQL Server ? what information excactly do you need ?" CreationDate="2016-02-21T18:27:13.173" UserId="339702" />
  <row Id="20423" PostId="8633" Score="0" Text="I'm not Michael Hampton, but for me, it would be more whether it was primarily a SQL Server question or a Windows 7 question.  A primarily SQL Server question is applicable across multiple Windows OSes, IMHO." CreationDate="2016-02-22T15:07:03.203" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20433" PostId="8633" Score="1" Text="@KatherineVillyard it's primarily a SQL Server question" CreationDate="2016-02-23T17:11:31.190" UserId="339702" />
  <row Id="20403" PostId="8634" Score="0" Text="does this mean &quot;Ask on SuperUser&quot; ? or is it just you ?" CreationDate="2016-02-21T18:26:19.403" UserId="339702" />
  <row Id="20405" PostId="8634" Score="3" Text="@niceman It's more than just him.  I'd expect it to get closed with: `Questions should demonstrate reasonable business information technology management practices. Questions that relate to unsupported hardware or software platforms or unmaintained environments may not be suitable for Server Fault - see the help center.`" CreationDate="2016-02-21T18:54:53.400" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20406" PostId="8634" Score="0" Text="@niceman I don't know if your question would be suitable for [SU] I don't hang out there often enough to know." CreationDate="2016-02-21T19:07:58.840" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20407" PostId="8634" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b thanks , I've seen the help center but I didn't understand it(I thought my English is good, seems not good enough xD), anyway do you know if it suits Super User ?" CreationDate="2016-02-21T19:19:09.290" UserId="339702" />
  <row Id="20409" PostId="8634" Score="0" Text="@niceman Not just you, that particular close reason leaves a lot to be desired.  A question like this would probably be accepted over on Super User." CreationDate="2016-02-21T22:08:26.830" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20411" PostId="8635" Score="2" Text="Close queue is at 195 right now, FWIW.  So yes, as has been the case for quite a while, there are not enough active members of the community to process the close review queue." CreationDate="2016-02-22T07:59:30.337" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20412" PostId="8635" Score="8" Text="If all the close votes you've seen are legitimate, why do you call him a noob? Don't discourage active participation. The problem is not the guy who creates dozens of close votes. The problem is that there are not enough people to look through the votes. But that is not something that person is responsible of. Maybe the problem is also that he is technically able to create so many close votes. But that is not his fault, either." CreationDate="2016-02-22T09:39:40.597" UserId="188837" />
  <row Id="20413" PostId="8635" Score="1" Text="@Daniel It's me.  Ward's not saying that some noob is doing it, Ward is referring to me with the last half of my nick." CreationDate="2016-02-22T10:51:38.033" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20414" PostId="8635" Score="3" Text="Oh, I see! Still, I think no one should be blamed for trying to improve Serverfault. Not even you " CreationDate="2016-02-22T11:22:34.640" UserId="188837" />
  <row Id="20422" PostId="8636" Score="0" Text="&quot;...they can be re-cast,...&quot;  I'm pretty sure that's not the case.  If you've voted to close and your vote ages out, you can't vote to close again." CreationDate="2016-02-22T14:58:56.323" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="20424" PostId="8636" Score="6" Text="@Ward Old rules.  [They've been updated](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/250453/196495). `I'd like to take a moment to address some of the concerns raised regarding the second portion of this change: the ability to re-submit questions for close review [...] If you feel strongly enough about a question to keep burning your votes on it, so be it`." CreationDate="2016-02-22T15:07:56.743" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20415" PostId="8639" Score="0" Text="[Link to the user's edit history, for anyone wishing to reapply that tag](http://serverfault.com/users/339727/desperatuss0ccus?tab=activity&amp;sort=revisions)." CreationDate="2016-02-22T14:43:39.537" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20419" PostId="8639" Score="0" Text="Yes, it is accurate. But so would be a tag named 'operating system'. It is too broad and does not help narrowing things down. Someone with an interest in helping with questions regarding an 'operating system' would specify *what* operating system he can help with or has an interest in seeing on the front page. The tag 'history' could be a linux shell, a powershell shell (that sounds odd) or even a DOS box. It's too voluminous to be of real help narrowing things down." CreationDate="2016-02-22T14:47:31.970" UserId="188837" />
  <row Id="20420" PostId="8639" Score="2" Text="@Daniel Oh, we have an [&quot;operating system&quot; tag](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/operating-system) too.  I'm not sure how I feel about it, but it does seem to have some meaningful uses for [theoretical questions](http://serverfault.com/q/758785/118258) or questions that relate to [operating systems in general, rather than a specific OS](http://serverfault.com/q/676901/118258)." CreationDate="2016-02-22T14:57:08.763" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20426" PostId="8639" Score="0" Text="Oh didn't know that. And a perhaps bad example anyway. But on the other answer, Sven made a valid point in my opinion. Maybe some tags are more useful when combined. I guess in the end everything I complained about the `history` tag was not so bad." CreationDate="2016-02-22T15:31:02.803" UserId="188837" />
  <row Id="20427" PostId="8639" Score="0" Text="@Daniel I don't have any DOS to hand but I'm fairly sure it didn't have a history command and related environment variables etc." CreationDate="2016-02-22T15:56:51.780" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20428" PostId="8639" Score="0" Text="The name [tag:history] is very generic and could cover a number of different things depending on who you ask. Since the tag also doesn't have any description of its usage, I don't consider it to be useful as is. If an explanation of what the tag is supposed to be used for is added, then it might be useful." CreationDate="2016-02-22T21:03:36.437" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20429" PostId="8639" Score="1" Text="That's easily fixed @kasperd here's a link http://serverfault.com/edit-tag-wiki/597 get weaving." CreationDate="2016-02-22T21:06:46.937" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20434" PostId="8639" Score="0" Text="@Iain I'll leave that for somebody with privileges to rename the tag to something a little more descriptive." CreationDate="2016-02-24T10:07:41.910" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20452" PostId="8639" Score="0" Text="@kasperd That would be a ♦-only function.  And even then, they can't rename tags, so much as create a new one with the desired name, and merge into it.  And doing that has been blamed for at least one outbreak of acute drama in the not-so-distant past... so yeah, leaving it for a mod to do is as good as ensure it won't happen.  (Not that I care either way, but, ... FYI." CreationDate="2016-02-27T01:49:48.313" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20416" PostId="8640" Score="1" Text="That is exactly what I believe. While the tag is is not misused, I believe a tag is only useful if someone would actually filter or sort or search by a particular tag. Who is interested in questions regarding of the history of a command line? There are dozens of command lines, each works different and some are Windows, some are Linux, some may even be DOS :D" CreationDate="2016-02-22T14:44:06.877" UserId="188837" />
  <row Id="20417" PostId="8640" Score="0" Text="To comment on the your answer: I am relatively new, so I rather ask than do something unappreciated. But thanks for bolstering me up! I will keep that in mind :)" CreationDate="2016-02-22T14:45:44.187" UserId="188837" />
  <row Id="20421" PostId="8640" Score="2" Text="@Daniel: You would tag a question regarding bash history with `bash` and `history`, making it possible to filter for exactly what you want.  I think this is better than have more specific tags like `bash-history`." CreationDate="2016-02-22T14:57:49.493" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20425" PostId="8640" Score="0" Text="Sven, I didn't think about combined searched, only standalone searches. That actually makes some sense to me. `bash-history`was never my intention. That is even worse :)" CreationDate="2016-02-22T15:29:24.553" UserId="188837" />
  <row Id="20430" PostId="8640" Score="0" Text="[unix.se] accepts questions about the history of Unix and related operating systems, so ..." CreationDate="2016-02-22T22:40:39.573" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20431" PostId="8640" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton However, they have good guidance on tag usage for both their [history tag](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/command-history) and their [command-history tag](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/history).  To make our history tag into... not a steaming pile of useless, we'd need to make the same distinction, and provide a good description/usage.  And for SF, it's more than just &quot;command history&quot; that we might be concerned with, so I don't think it splits cleanly like on U&amp;L, or that it would be easy to explain what a history tag should be used for on SF." CreationDate="2016-02-22T23:14:10.023" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20471" PostId="8640" Score="0" Text="Just because you can't imagine a case where someone would want to use the `history` tag doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I think we should err on the side of more tags vs less tags for the end result of more organized questions. I also agree, however, that we should narrow the usage to something specific." CreationDate="2016-03-04T23:37:47.393" UserId="215667" />
  <row Id="20435" PostId="8642" Score="0" Text="&quot;Why is my consumer device doing something odd I don't understand?&quot; doesn't read like a sys-admin type question." CreationDate="2016-02-24T16:21:12.420" UserId="310164" />
  <row Id="20436" PostId="8642" Score="0" Text="Oh, but it's not a &quot;consumer device&quot;. It's admittedly a home server. But, this server is performing tasks which are related to sysadmin tasks. The question is a NetBIOS and DNS question which is at the sysadmin level." CreationDate="2016-02-24T16:22:54.120" UserId="314672" />
  <row Id="20438" PostId="8642" Score="4" Text="To be a question for SF it would need to be asked from the sysadmin that manage the gear, as for any advanced advice it will impossible to test without changing some configuration, and maybe it's already a know problem that your helpdesk can answer you." CreationDate="2016-02-24T16:58:04.683" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20440" PostId="8642" Score="0" Text="At the request of the OP the question has now been moved to [SuperUser](http://superuser.com/questions/1044993/ping-resolving-to-strange-address)" CreationDate="2016-02-24T17:10:14.103" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="20441" PostId="8642" Score="1" Text="The question you posted here bears very little resemblance to the inquiry you made on meta." CreationDate="2016-02-24T17:26:27.147" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20443" PostId="8642" Score="0" Text="@JennyD, I'm not sure that I understand. This question is the inquiry that I made on meta. As such, it should be exactly the same as the inquiry that I made on meta." CreationDate="2016-02-24T17:40:38.200" UserId="314672" />
  <row Id="20447" PostId="8642" Score="4" Text="You gave a link to a question on Meta.SE where you asked about where you should post a question on DNS and redirection of a subdomain. You were pointed towards Serverfault. But the question you posted on Serverfault, according to your own link above, was about client settings for host name resolution - not the same thing at all. So claiming that you were told to ask that question here is misleading, since the question you actually posted was entirely different from the one you asked about." CreationDate="2016-02-25T06:17:50.643" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20450" PostId="8642" Score="0" Text="Thanks for elaborating @JennyD. You're exactly right. If I had read the meta answer thoroughly I would have realized that questions regarding domain name resolution performed by a client does not belong in Server Fault. Server Fault would allow questions regarding the configuration or behavior of a domain name server; these questions are not in the same vein as my question. My question has since been moved to the SU site where I think it'll enjoy more comfortable accommodations." CreationDate="2016-02-25T18:50:38.737" UserId="314672" />
  <row Id="20437" PostId="8643" Score="0" Text="You're right, questions should be moved. How do I request that my question be moved to another [SE site](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/85017/moving-my-own-question-to-another-stack-exchange-site)?" CreationDate="2016-02-24T16:53:09.903" UserId="314672" />
  <row Id="20439" PostId="8643" Score="0" Text="@fuzzybear3965 : you flag your always friendly `*cough*` moderator and they may (or may not) decide that your migration request has merit.Consider it done." CreationDate="2016-02-24T17:08:06.367" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="20442" PostId="8643" Score="0" Text="Thanks! I see that it's been moved to SU." CreationDate="2016-02-24T17:39:13.257" UserId="314672" />
  <row Id="20445" PostId="8647" Score="0" Text="Thanks Sven. Seems like a bug being called a feature." CreationDate="2016-02-24T19:12:44.913" UserId="306795" />
  <row Id="20446" PostId="8647" Score="3" Text="@Tim is there any other kind? :)" CreationDate="2016-02-24T21:26:19.450" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20453" PostId="8647" Score="0" Text="For reference: how it [should be done in CommonMark](http://spec.commonmark.org/0.24/#example-222)" CreationDate="2016-02-29T09:11:44.853" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="21032" PostId="8648" Score="0" Text="Jenkins CI is used mainly by DevOps, so it can be on-topic on the [DevOps proposal](http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/97295/devops), currently it's in Definition stage." CreationDate="2016-07-10T11:27:34.350" UserId="130437" />
  <row Id="20451" PostId="8649" Score="2" Text="I intentionally did not post the question on StackOverflow because it is a SERVER CONFIGURATION question, not a development question... Apache httpd is a development tool as well, mariadb too, postfix can be as well (you can use it to send notifications to developers when some exception is thrown). We can find many use-cases when *any* server can be a development tool... But I get it, this site is actually &quot;NotAllServerFault.com&quot;." CreationDate="2016-02-26T22:06:24.403" UserId="112922" />
  <row Id="20465" PostId="8649" Score="5" Text="When I vote to close or migrate a question, I'm doing it as a favor.  You missed the target audience by posting it here.  If I realized everyone felt I was being mean to them when I did that, I wouldn't bother.  Just let the question sit unanswered.  Which would you prefer?" CreationDate="2016-03-02T19:03:00.457" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="20449" PostId="8650" Score="3" Text="And many of those 270 questions also probably should be on [so]." CreationDate="2016-02-25T14:15:31.847" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20454" PostId="8652" Score="6" Text="+1 for making [tag:header] and [tag:headers] a synonym and merging them" CreationDate="2016-02-29T17:39:15.333" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="20462" PostId="8652" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn It certainly won't hurt to merge those two tags. Though I still think it remains too generic, and the questions will need to be retagged with more specific tags anyway." CreationDate="2016-03-02T11:04:20.723" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20463" PostId="8652" Score="2" Text="@kasperd working on it. So far it look like about 70% of them are http-headers questions with the rest smtp-headers. And one outlier involving LUKS headers." CreationDate="2016-03-02T13:09:07.660" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="20464" PostId="8652" Score="2" Text="Is [tag:smtp-headers] actually the correct name for this new tag? I think [tag:mail-headers] would be more accurate, with [tag:smtp-headers] and [tag:mime-headers] as synonyms." CreationDate="2016-03-02T13:43:15.593" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20492" PostId="8656" Score="1" Text="I don't like the idea to accept an answer that is not proven to solve the problem. If the question owner will become inactive and people report the solution is not working you end up with an answer that misleads people, because it stays on the top. In my opinion the right way is to answer the question itself and try to explain what happened, even when it was magic, then it was magic." CreationDate="2016-03-14T09:22:00.323" UserId="218400" />
  <row Id="20493" PostId="8656" Score="0" Text="@modiX I agree with your caution, but it's axiomatic in sysadmin that **it is very difficult to fix a problem you're not having**.  If this problem doesn't recur, the question will remain open forever *because in its current form it cannot be answered* (or, more likely, it'll get closed, for the same reason).  You may not be aware that an acceptance isn't forever; the OP can come back as-and-when the problem recurs, un-accept the current answer, and update the question *at that time*." CreationDate="2016-03-14T09:29:36.953" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20494" PostId="8656" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter Sort of by definition, acceptance implied the answer is acceptable. Another person may decide not to answer based on the fallacious (but perfectly justified) assumption that the other answer solved the problem. &quot;in its current form it cannot be answered&quot; Exactly. So accepting an answer makes no sense; it would be the Q&amp;A equivalent of an [argument from ignorance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance)." CreationDate="2016-03-14T13:31:38.513" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="20495" PostId="8656" Score="0" Text="@ParthianShot I agree that it seems odd, but I'll look at this from another angle: what do you think should happen?  Should we close the question?  Should the OP delete it?  **It cannot be answered in its current form**, and I, for one, don't want it hanging around for ever.  *Of the tools we have available to us*, accepting an interim answer makes most sense  to me; I'm perfectly happy to be told we should do something else, but **not** that it should be left open as-is on the offchance the problem returns." CreationDate="2016-03-14T13:38:35.900" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20496" PostId="8656" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter I suppose accepting it while explicitly noting that the accepted answer was untested would probably be the most pragmatic, reasonable response given the options and assuming leaving a question open forever is not an acceptable solution." CreationDate="2016-03-14T13:58:05.993" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="20461" PostId="8657" Score="6" Text="&quot;*It doesn't look like there's much value to the existing question and answer*&quot; I'd be more easily convinced by that if we didn't have a decently-rep'ped user testifying - less than a foot above this comment - that (s)he got value out of it ." CreationDate="2016-03-01T10:07:11.183" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20485" PostId="8657" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter There's incidental information in most every question we get, even the crap ones.  That doesn't give them value.  For example, [you can check in VM disk images to Git](http://serverfault.com/q/762357/339727).  That information does not impart the question with value, however, and despite the *♦-reopen-and-answer* that went on there, that question is worthless and should be nuked with extreme prejudice, *even though it contains information that is new to all of us*." CreationDate="2016-03-09T07:19:32.427" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20486" PostId="8657" Score="0" Text="HN, you know I'd follow you into the trenches in pursuit of bad questions, but in this case, I do think the community is making a valid point (with respect to that other question, I agree that it's worthless, and have just piled on a close vote).  That said, these are judgement calls; they can lawfully be disagreed over, without the other side's point of view being *prima facie* dumb." CreationDate="2016-03-09T08:24:57.917" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20487" PostId="8657" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter Just saying that the presence of incidental information doesn't give a question value, IMO.  Not calling your position dumb or anything like that." CreationDate="2016-03-09T09:13:09.130" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20488" PostId="8657" Score="1" Text="No, and I agree with you.  In the original case here, I think there is useful information *in an answer* that gives the question value as a whole.  In the case of the VM image one you linked, I don't think there is (not least because the answer is, as it can really only be, &quot;*your question is bad and you should feel bad*&quot;)." CreationDate="2016-03-09T09:25:24.077" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20466" PostId="8659" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I burn my remaining close votes in the close queue.  All 2 of them. :)" CreationDate="2016-03-03T02:25:35.677" UserId="339727" />
  <row Id="20467" PostId="8659" Score="0" Text="trolls =&gt; trawls, if that's what you meant." CreationDate="2016-03-03T09:34:57.983" UserId="140016" />
  <row Id="20468" PostId="8659" Score="1" Text="@DeerHunter I'm a very talented guy.  I can troll and trawl at the same time." CreationDate="2016-03-03T20:41:02.127" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20469" PostId="8659" Score="1" Text="Why should one not cast the first close vote on the question you've linked to?  It's one that a little elementary research would have answered, which to my mind makes it OT; I'm only grateful that JennyD got there before I did.  I'd certainly rather see questions like that one closed than some fairly-harmless five-year-old cpanel relic with an accepted answer, that's not likely to come back from the grave and hurt anyone." CreationDate="2016-03-03T20:41:53.470" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20470" PostId="8659" Score="0" Text="The asker has to Google for the answer somewhere, and why not let that somewhere be here?" CreationDate="2016-03-03T21:06:04.283" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="20472" PostId="8659" Score="1" Text="I think the community view around these parts is pretty clearly that we expect people to do their homework - which almost always includes web searches - **before** posting here.  I **really, really** don't want SF to becomes the first port of call for everyone with a problem that can easily be sorted with JFGI, and I won't be staying around if it does." CreationDate="2016-03-05T10:23:39.340" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20473" PostId="8659" Score="0" Text="This is fine.  Close duplicates!  We do not need to expunge useful answered on-topic questions only because the answer exists elsewhere too." CreationDate="2016-03-05T10:31:59.197" UserId="126699" />
  <row Id="20474" PostId="8661" Score="3" Text="They've been nonresponsive to emails for a week. I'll just call them. I guess I've become too accustomed to not actually having to talk to people." CreationDate="2016-03-06T17:53:16.480" UserId="199695" />
  <row Id="20501" PostId="8661" Score="0" Text="&quot;I guess I've become too accustomed to not actually having to talk to people&quot; I feel like that should be a t-shirt. Specifically, I feel like that should be **my** t-shirt." CreationDate="2016-03-16T20:06:59.207" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="20475" PostId="8662" Score="0" Text="That's what I thought. I threw the question out [in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/28054173#28054173) instead. Also I'll just call Fluke." CreationDate="2016-03-06T18:59:43.933" UserId="199695" />
  <row Id="20476" PostId="8662" Score="0" Text="As you might have noticed the chatroom is pretty much dead. Calling a sales rep might be your best bet." CreationDate="2016-03-07T08:05:17.783" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="20477" PostId="8663" Score="1" Text="Care to post a link?" CreationDate="2016-03-08T01:29:33.440" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20478" PostId="8663" Score="0" Text="http://serverfault.com/questions/762017/how-to-get-the-linux-oom-killer-to-not-kill-my-process" CreationDate="2016-03-08T01:29:55.350" UserId="16254" />
  <row Id="20482" PostId="8663" Score="1" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/q/8549/214507" CreationDate="2016-03-08T10:09:23.753" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20483" PostId="8663" Score="1" Text="http://serverfault.com/a/762327/126632" CreationDate="2016-03-08T15:29:11.790" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20484" PostId="8663" Score="0" Text="I have no problem with such demand, but I would only add that if it's a question too broad, lets close it then as such." CreationDate="2016-03-08T16:00:32.883" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20497" PostId="8667" Score="1" Text="See also [Should Docker questions go on StackOverflow or ServerFault or SuperUser?](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/276579/1068283)" CreationDate="2016-03-15T14:45:37.740" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20498" PostId="8667" Score="6" Text="There are orders of magnitude more docker users and questions on [so] than there are here. I'd say you're more likely to get a good answer quickly there than in [sf]." CreationDate="2016-03-15T15:24:52.253" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20506" PostId="8667" Score="0" Text="I agree with other that you would have more chance to get a answer on StackOverflow, as a sysadmin (without programmer in my team/enterprise) I never had to use any docker. I feel that programmer has to use that technology a lot more than sysadmin do." CreationDate="2016-03-17T12:41:11.353" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20499" PostId="8669" Score="0" Text="Is it worth migrating this to meta.SE so it can be closed as a duplicate there?" CreationDate="2016-03-16T17:04:34.133" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20532" PostId="8669" Score="1" Text="In case it makes you feel any better, I have seen a user do much worse than that: Post a question on [security.se] asking something along the lines of &quot;has my server been hacked?&quot; Include a screenshot of a terminal session with said server - using a transparent terminal - placed in front of a spreadsheet - containing all his passwords neatly arranged in three columns with user name, password, and site name - and he did not even realize what he had just done." CreationDate="2016-04-04T21:32:23.310" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20533" PostId="8669" Score="1" Text="No way that was not first class trolling! And hilarious as well!" CreationDate="2016-04-04T22:24:33.903" UserId="188837" />
  <row Id="20505" PostId="8673" Score="0" Text="What I really want to do is eliminate Docker and replace it with something sensible, but until then we're kind of stuck with it." CreationDate="2016-03-17T10:20:20.400" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20513" PostId="8673" Score="1" Text="IMO one of the key advantages of docker is that you can automate the dev-&gt;test-&gt;prod deployment. As such, I think we'll increasingly see it in prod, for all the reasons we see virtual machines in prod." CreationDate="2016-03-21T11:27:54.407" UserId="216511" />
  <row Id="20514" PostId="8673" Score="0" Text="Yes, **but only by using containerisation in production**.  It's not a price I'm willing to pay for all but a very few prod environments, but I agree with you that many others seem to be." CreationDate="2016-03-21T11:53:14.737" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="22752" PostId="8673" Score="0" Text="About Docker having &quot;no place in production&quot;, I realize that reply is from 2016 (as are the comments in reply to it), so it seems quite dated and should no longer holds true with all the advancements in Docker itself, and orchestration solutions like Kubernetes, Swarm, Amazon ECS, and so on. So I'd be curious if anyone seeing this in 2019 would still hold to that conclusion. I suppose it's worthy of its own question, but I will leave this as much as a rhetorical question, so that future readers finding this don't think it would be a universally held one still." CreationDate="2019-07-30T18:43:17.090" UserId="20317" />
  <row Id="20500" PostId="8674" Score="0" Text="This is especially relevant to SF, but since it's also often relevant to SO, SU, and other technical SE sites, it may make more sense on the global meta.se . I'd be okay with it being moved there." CreationDate="2016-03-16T19:59:22.673" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="20502" PostId="8674" Score="2" Text="Have you read http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/963 ?" CreationDate="2016-03-16T20:10:56.197" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20503" PostId="8674" Score="2" Text="FWIW, we occasionally get requests to purge stuff like this after it's been in the wild for a bit (and occasionally after someone's gotten fired for it). Moderators have the ability to redact post history for use in extreme cases." CreationDate="2016-03-16T20:11:48.510" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="20504" PostId="8674" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton I had not! None of my search terms found that easily. :P I guess my question's a dupe then. Sorry about that. Thanks, though!" CreationDate="2016-03-16T20:20:27.230" UserId="226538" />
  <row Id="20507" PostId="8676" Score="2" Text="Seems like good advice given by demonstrably knowledgeable people. Given that your question remains unanswered after 2 days, perhaps you can't achieve what you want with your current tools. Do you know about [AU](http://askubuntu.com) that's a good place to get detailed answers specific to Ubuntu too." CreationDate="2016-03-18T19:34:27.887" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20508" PostId="8676" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I was going to cross post to AU, but I didn't want to do it too quickly and be spammy. It's not that the advice wouldn't solve my problem, just that it's so obvious as to be unnecessary." CreationDate="2016-03-18T19:51:40.820" UserId="127293" />
  <row Id="20509" PostId="8676" Score="1" Text="Don't cross post. Flag your question and ask for it to be migrated." CreationDate="2016-03-18T19:52:42.653" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20511" PostId="8676" Score="0" Text="@Iain Done and done." CreationDate="2016-03-18T19:56:59.660" UserId="127293" />
  <row Id="20510" PostId="8677" Score="0" Text="I really would love to not have to use Ubuntu 14.04. But I can't. No amount of consideration on my part will change the fact that deploying a new OS in production environments is a massive undertaking. Using a different OS is of course in the back of my mind when considering bugs in something as core as the init system." CreationDate="2016-03-18T19:54:13.537" UserId="127293" />
  <row Id="20512" PostId="8677" Score="0" Text="This is also why we have discrepencies in the accepted answer vs. most upvoted answer. The accepted answer is what was most useful to the person who asked the question. The most upvoted answer is the one that Random Internet People found more interesting/useful. The latter is still valuable and relevant knowledge to people who find the question because they have a similar problem, and their circumstances are frequently different." CreationDate="2016-03-19T00:17:28.270" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20515" PostId="8679" Score="2" Text="Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. And I think you're right, Ubuntu 16.04 is probably my best bet in this environment." CreationDate="2016-03-21T15:10:12.497" UserId="127293" />
  <row Id="20517" PostId="8681" Score="3" Text="One of those things is not like the others...." CreationDate="2016-03-22T16:59:02.197" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20519" PostId="8684" Score="11" Text="OK, clue for you: someone *can* be a professional and **not yet** understand the full stack they're dealing with. Yes, in an ideal world, we'd all be born pre-infused with all knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. That's not the case, though. Your ranting in the comments of that question was *more* un-productive and damaging to the site than the question itself. If you don't agree a question should be on the site, vote and move on. You may consider, though, that you'd make this person's day by helping them out instead of beating them over the head." CreationDate="2016-03-23T13:25:24.983" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20520" PostId="8684" Score="4" Text="While I totally agree with you about MY attitude, which was not the best one, I don't about making that persons day. If he copy/pastes the solution from here (which he did and not well anyway), he will not be able to do it the second time either. he does not LEARN and most of all he does not learn how to learn. It is clear that the OP in that question did not try to understand how things work there, neither read any documentation or anything. If you want to help someone, teach them how to fish and don't serve them the fish, so send them to read documentation." CreationDate="2016-03-23T14:00:35.743" UserId="214885" />
  <row Id="20522" PostId="8684" Score="4" Text="There are plenty of ways to answer a question without giving the user a copypasta solution. I do this all of the time. **Guide** them in the right direction, give them clues for what they need to change, then encourage them to do just that." CreationDate="2016-03-23T14:45:18.170" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20527" PostId="8684" Score="2" Text="Trouble is @EEAA the people we attract don't want to be educated they want copy/pasta because that's the modern way. Most of the people who ask questions here are from SO where the [copy+paste](https://www.gitbook.com/book/tra38/essential-copying-and-pasting-from-stack-overflow/details) paradigm is rife." CreationDate="2016-03-23T20:38:55.997" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20518" PostId="8685" Score="0" Text="I never said anything else, yet, if you read the comments, that is exactly how it gets interpreted." CreationDate="2016-03-23T12:09:40.650" UserId="214885" />
  <row Id="20523" PostId="8685" Score="0" Text="@FlorinAsăvoaie My intent was not to imply the mod comment was an up vote but that it wasn't a down vote. I could of handled that better" CreationDate="2016-03-23T15:51:42.877" UserId="278665" />
  <row Id="20524" PostId="8687" Score="1" Text="Finally someone that sees the wood for the trees. Thank you! Follow up question: may I use your profile text on mine too? :)" CreationDate="2016-03-23T17:30:03.230" UserId="214885" />
  <row Id="20525" PostId="8687" Score="0" Text="Use the text any way you like, I stole it from @yoonix." CreationDate="2016-03-23T20:30:42.643" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20531" PostId="8689" Score="4" Text="Since you're asking about votes, I'd just like to mention that downvotes here on Meta don't mean the same as downvotes on the main site. Here, they don't affect your reputation at all, and many people just use them as a shorthand for &quot;I don't agree with you but I don't want to write a whole answer&quot;." CreationDate="2016-04-03T11:26:18.367" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20681" PostId="8689" Score="0" Text="If you go back and check now, you'll see that the question and answer has been deleted (by the auto-cleanup scripts).  If your answer had a positive score, that wouldn't have happened, and some community members (like myself) will use our votes with the [SF Roomba](http://serverfault.com/help/roomba) in mind.  As in &quot;this answer is not useful because it's keeping the crappy question from being automatically deleted.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-04-18T18:03:57.073" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20529" PostId="8690" Score="3" Text="Thanks for the feedback. So instead of answering such questions I go ahead and vote down and then just leave the question unanswered." CreationDate="2016-04-01T06:44:16.050" UserId="145804" />
  <row Id="20530" PostId="8690" Score="2" Text="That would certainly get my vote (no pun intended).  Sometimes I'll leave a breadcrumb in the comments, but any question that deserves a downvote, or close vote, doesn't also deserve a formal answer." CreationDate="2016-04-01T10:49:33.287" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20534" PostId="8693" Score="0" Text="I see: if it's a real problem that the user had, if it shows some degree of investigation on the problem, if the answer itself shows a potential solution for the problem, even if it's just a typo in a configuration file or something similar (which could happen to anyone), then the question is valid.&#xA;My main issue was that the question was just a typo and not something more complex, and like so it could not be helpful to others." CreationDate="2016-04-05T15:25:32.757" UserId="247368" />
  <row Id="20536" PostId="8693" Score="1" Text="It would be *hugely* helpful to others, if they learned to carefully check their typing before posting.  I've answered questions like that before, too.  My normal approach is to downvote the question (for lack of investigation) and upvote the answer (even if it's by the person who posted the question)." CreationDate="2016-04-06T05:55:13.713" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20542" PostId="8696" Score="2" Text="Have we had any input from community@stack?" CreationDate="2016-04-15T13:47:54.563" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20543" PostId="8696" Score="56" Text="Was the question a valid and useful question for server fault? If so why does it matter what the motivations of the asker were? Stack exchange is about building a Q and A for the public at large." CreationDate="2016-04-15T13:49:27.540" UserId="39535" />
  <row Id="20544" PostId="8696" Score="11" Text="@MartinSmith no - it was a duplicate. The original poster said in a recent article it was &quot; a guerrilla marketing operation&quot; so blatant spam/troll." CreationDate="2016-04-15T13:51:28.890" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="20566" PostId="8696" Score="1" Text="For those, like me, left high and dry because we aren't yet at 10k, google does have a cache of most of the page content: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fserverfault.com%2Fquestions%2F769357%2Frecovering-from-a-rm-rf&amp;oq=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fserverfault.com%2Fquestions%2F769357%2Frecovering-from-a-rm-rf&amp;rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS647US647&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.2895j0j7&amp;sourceid=chrome-instant&amp;ion=1&amp;bav=on.2,or.r_cp.&amp;bvm=bv.119745492,d.dmo&amp;biw=1605&amp;bih=1584&amp;dpr=1&amp;ech=1&amp;psi=_hsRV4PBJ4S5eazhpegN.1460738942251.3&amp;ei=_hsRV4PBJ4S5eazhpegN&amp;emsg=NCSR&amp;noj=1" CreationDate="2016-04-15T17:10:34.063" UserId="706" />
  <row Id="20571" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="Side question: why were my comments to this question deleted, and only mine (other comments are still there)? They were neither spam nor off-topic, as I was remarking the importance of proper backups and how being able at all to delete everything with a single command implied fundamental design flaws, rather than simple bad luck." CreationDate="2016-04-15T17:56:01.247" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20572" PostId="8696" Score="1" Text="@Massimo there are a _lot_ of deleted comments on that post. Not just yours. As to why they were deleted, I'm unsure." CreationDate="2016-04-15T17:59:58.747" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20573" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="Deleting as dup seems wrong. I don't have an opinion on what to do. Maybe just keep deleted but, how can something be a duplicated question if it was a FORGED situation? The problem didn't even existed at first place..." CreationDate="2016-04-15T18:01:13.573" UserDisplayName="user122772" />
  <row Id="20574" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson Fine, I can't see deleted comments at all; however, one of mine (&quot;I won't even begin enumerating how many errors are simultaneously required in order to be able to completely erase all your servers and all your backups in a single strike. This is not bad luck: it's astonishingly bad design reinforced by complete carelessness.”) was upvoted a lot and even cited in the Independent article talking about the fact; I just wonder what logic exactly led to its deletion." CreationDate="2016-04-15T18:03:04.420" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20575" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="For the records, I don't know this guy and I don't have any relationship with him; and I sincerely hope whoever deleted my comments didn't do that on such an implication, possibly having seen how we both are from the same country." CreationDate="2016-04-15T18:04:48.010" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20579" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="@Massimo Oh I think that is _highly_ unlikely. Lots of people are from the same country!" CreationDate="2016-04-15T18:17:35.563" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20587" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="@Massimo From what I know (which isn't much), a lot of the moderation tools around comments are designed for bulk deletion of comments. Oftentimes innocent comments are caught in the crossfire." CreationDate="2016-04-15T19:57:21.553" UserId="284525" />
  <row Id="20597" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="The mobile version of the news story appears to not display the full article. For me, it stops at the paragraph mentioning &quot;140k persone&quot;, and I cannot find an option to display the full article. This is important because the content *after* that paragraph contains the admission of this Q&amp;A existing as part of an effort to advertise his startup." CreationDate="2016-04-15T22:23:14.117" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20598" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="It even made it into a german newspaper (http://www.sueddeutsche.de/digital/rm-rf-eine-falsche-zeile-code-und-die-firma-ist-vernichtet-1.2951895). They missed the `/` in the `rm -rf /` tho." CreationDate="2016-04-15T22:31:58.343" UserId="97089" />
  <row Id="20602" PostId="8696" Score="2" Text="Someone with a lot of time on their hands could contact all the [news outlets which have run this story](https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&amp;q=%22Marco%20Marsala%22) and advise them of the situation." CreationDate="2016-04-15T22:29:21.640" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20618" PostId="8696" Score="16" Text="@MichaelHampton It's actually shocking to see how &quot;respectable&quot; newspapers have run this story as fact, without any research (like trying to find the name of the company he works for or any of the websites affected). But it is at least a good demonstration of which news sources cannot be trusted." CreationDate="2016-04-16T03:31:34.810" UserId="106864" />
  <row Id="20620" PostId="8696" Score="1" Text="The hoax author seems to mouth off against SE users in the newspaper article for not catching him at his hoax. Can anyone with more italian knowledge than my google translate skills verify this? I think this would make a dangerous precedent (@Massimo ?)" CreationDate="2016-04-16T09:56:11.817" UserId="149941" />
  <row Id="20624" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="@dualed Not only against SE; looks like he posted the same fake request for help to other sites, too; this was one of the few place where someone actually catched something didn't smell right. And yes, in his interviews he shows a &quot;you all fell for this and I'm **SO** smart&quot; attitude which is IMHO quite childish." CreationDate="2016-04-16T18:19:29.397" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20625" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="Is there an english write up article on how this was revealed?" CreationDate="2016-04-16T19:01:43.013" UserId="236757" />
  <row Id="20634" PostId="8696" Score="11" Text="@Massimo we went into it thinking he was an idiot. We've came out of it thinking he's an idiot, but for a different reason. I don't think the joke is on us." CreationDate="2016-04-17T07:02:43.747" UserId="46792" />
  <row Id="20641" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="Since we didn't delete, you should unaccept the delete answer." CreationDate="2016-04-17T12:23:12.427" UserId="204856" />
  <row Id="20642" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="@AaronHall:  I did merge the questions. This doesn't delete it outright though, but if you come here as an anonymous user, you get redirected to the merge target immediately and never see the hoax question." CreationDate="2016-04-17T12:44:06.373" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20659" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="@AaronHall Only the person who asked the question can accept or unaccept an answer." CreationDate="2016-04-18T03:51:04.940" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20667" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="Maybe the comments to journeymans answer should be cleaned up as well. the OP talks about recovering the data via a company which analyzed their discs, which I guess is not quite true. Will any moderator take a look at it or should I flag those which I feel are untrue?" CreationDate="2016-04-18T14:09:01.287" UserId="35330" />
  <row Id="20668" PostId="8696" Score="2" Text="At least use a better link to an article explaining the hoax.  The current link points to an Italian website.  Here's [one in English](http://www.snopes.com/man-deletes-company-code/).  I don't think many people here are fluent in Italian?" CreationDate="2016-04-18T14:32:01.493" UserId="84838" />
  <row Id="20687" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="Something tells me that this isn't a hoax. He's just covering it up to save the reputation of his company." CreationDate="2016-04-19T07:05:28.647" UserId="349693" />
  <row Id="20690" PostId="8696" Score="1" Text="@gldraphael I wonder if it could possibly be connected to this story of a real UK hosting company who did very recently accidentally delete the entire contents of several servers: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36072240" CreationDate="2016-04-19T10:46:07.953" UserId="93025" />
  <row Id="20699" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="@aroth At the time of the posting it was the only article, because the publication had direct contact with the author. The link you shared was posted two days after this meta topic, and no one was stopping you from clicking on the *edit* link. :)" CreationDate="2016-04-20T04:05:46.447" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20700" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB - I'm pretty sure I don't have enough rep on serverfault to click the 'edit' link?  The only option it gives me is 'share'.  @gldraphael - You may be right.  Or at least, his claim that &quot;the command that I mentioned in the article is harmless&quot;, where the command is `rm -rf /`, seems to be false.  Unless Ansible really does prevent that sort of thing?  I have no idea if it does, but seems a bit far-fetched to think that it would?" CreationDate="2016-04-20T04:16:11.793" UserId="84838" />
  <row Id="20701" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="@aroth Hrm, my apologies then. I did look at the permissions list and I thought you'd at least have enough to suggest an edit. (just not enough to apply it directly)" CreationDate="2016-04-20T04:22:28.377" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20706" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="Question for a mod/community manager, any update if we nuke the account ? as it seem a option the community want." CreationDate="2016-04-22T18:28:06.390" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20713" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton: (unrelated to the conversation) you may want to add a Google Translation link (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&amp;tl=en&amp;js=y&amp;prev=_t&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.repubblica.it%2Ftecnologia%2F2016%2F04%2F15%2Fnews%2Fcancella_l_azienda_per_sbaglio_la_disavventura_tecnologica_di_marco_marsala-137693154%2F&amp;edit-text=) for the article in Italian you linked in the (now locked) question." CreationDate="2016-04-26T14:22:50.143" UserId="78319" />
  <row Id="20716" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="What's the proof that the question was a hoax? The italian article doesn't show any &quot;proof&quot;." CreationDate="2016-04-27T06:07:32.813" UserId="209953" />
  <row Id="20717" PostId="8696" Score="1" Text="@Mzn: He admitted it in a mod message." CreationDate="2016-04-27T09:18:17.537" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20719" PostId="8696" Score="0" Text="@Sven, that's enough proof for moderation purposes. But what kind of publicity is one that shows how BAD and risky it is to get services from that service provider? Maybe his confession is what is false, and he is trying to undo his mistake of showing everyone that his company isn't following best practices. Maybe he wasn't expecting publicity. Just a hypothesis." CreationDate="2016-04-27T19:24:39.810" UserId="209953" />
  <row Id="20539" PostId="8697" Score="6" Text="It was closed as a dupe. Delete the hoax and keep the dupe. Consider merging the answers from the hoax into it. Remember SF is for practical problems you are trying to solve. A hoax by definition isn't this." CreationDate="2016-04-15T13:41:21.523" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20540" PostId="8697" Score="1" Text="Oh @Iain - such wisdom thou hast.  Has?  doth hast?  +1" CreationDate="2016-04-15T13:45:48.113" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="20561" PostId="8697" Score="12" Text="@TheCleaner &quot;Thou hast&quot; or &quot;thou dost have&quot;. Never &quot;thou doth hast&quot;. (&quot;doth&quot; is for third person singular - I do, thou dost, he/she doth.)" CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:41:07.450" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20636" PostId="8697" Score="0" Text="@JennyD I thought you were Swedish!  How camest thou by such command of Shakespearean English?" CreationDate="2016-04-17T07:59:52.163" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20637" PostId="8697" Score="1" Text="@MadHatter I am. I read a lot, including Shakespeare...." CreationDate="2016-04-17T08:04:41.300" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20638" PostId="8697" Score="1" Text="@JennyD congratulations on a grasp of period English that probably exceeds that of 95% of those native to the sceptred isle.  I knew we Brits were comparitively poorly grounded in other people's languages, but this is just embarrassing." CreationDate="2016-04-17T08:20:56.790" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20639" PostId="8697" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter Well, I started out as a language major, I didn't get into IT until I was in my mid-20's." CreationDate="2016-04-17T08:25:03.530" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20644" PostId="8697" Score="1" Text="@JennyD I always remember this by way of German: &quot;Ich habe, du hast, er hat -&gt; I have, thou hast, he hath&quot;." CreationDate="2016-04-17T15:03:13.960" UserId="117717" />
  <row Id="20563" PostId="8698" Score="5" Text="The big advantage of this is since this question has had a lot of attention, if people follow the links back, least they know what happened. On the other hand, they'll know this guy didn't actually delete his entire company's data. On the gripping hand, I'm not sure that his 'official' excuse - that its a viral stunt, makes him look much better." CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:57:19.293" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="20564" PostId="8698" Score="0" Text="I would add a bit about this on top of the merged question to explain what happened." CreationDate="2016-04-15T15:06:03.467" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20570" PostId="8698" Score="2" Text="Deleting the question makes it pretty obvious what happened, too." CreationDate="2016-04-15T17:43:31.567" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20577" PostId="8698" Score="8" Text="you would think so but I've seen comments on &quot;news&quot; articles about this which mention the deletion but assume it was because the feedback on the problem got too &quot;brutal&quot; (whatever that's meant to mean) and not because it was a hoax" CreationDate="2016-04-15T18:11:57.303" UserId="62971" />
  <row Id="20582" PostId="8698" Score="2" Text="@RоryMcCune I don't think that's what anyone really wants, and given that, I've undeleted the question for the time being." CreationDate="2016-04-15T18:45:22.773" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20589" PostId="8698" Score="0" Text="@Michael With that perception of brutal feedback in mind, you might also want to edit the &quot;f*****&quot; part out. While that was sufficient for &quot;internal documentation&quot; purposes, people who aren't going to run that URL through a translator need to understand that this was a publicity stunt." CreationDate="2016-04-15T20:19:03.213" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20590" PostId="8698" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB Done. Thanks for the reminder." CreationDate="2016-04-15T20:21:08.773" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20591" PostId="8698" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Do you know what happened to my comments, especially the one that had several upvotes and was even quoted in the Independent article? I don't understand why they were deleted, and I'd like them back, if possible; also, I'd really like to know why they have been deleted, while others have not." CreationDate="2016-04-15T21:35:09.107" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20592" PostId="8698" Score="0" Text="@Massimo A Stack Overflow employee deleted your comments. I don't know exactly why, but I can guess. As some news outlets noted, they weren't exactly helpful..." CreationDate="2016-04-15T21:39:39.347" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20593" PostId="8698" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton Well, I was remarking (on the assumption he was not a troll) how you need a really flawed setup to be able to delete all your servers, all your data and ***all your backups*** with a single command; that was not to be blamed on a mistake or bad luck, but on an astonishing series of design and implementation errors. And it looks like my remark was on point, because IIRC last time I saw it, it had 15 upvotes..." CreationDate="2016-04-15T21:56:16.600" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20545" PostId="8699" Score="0" Text="I can't do this without deleting the user, but since this wasn't his only post, I don't want to do this. I really like Iain's approach, which I hadn't considered." CreationDate="2016-04-15T13:54:31.503" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20546" PostId="8699" Score="11" Text="Nuke the user, it's the only way to be sure." CreationDate="2016-04-15T13:55:09.200" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20548" PostId="8699" Score="2" Text="@Sven You can ask the SE devs to do it.  They've done it for me for a lot less, so I imagine they'd be willing to do it for you, given that this impacts other users and is a documented hoax at this point." CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:01:38.350" UserId="339727" />
  <row Id="20560" PostId="8699" Score="7" Text="This gets into weird situations WRT the content license; normally we only disassociate upon author request, and only when deletion isn't desirable. Dup'd or merged, the question serves as a useful redirect to the original, which could actually do some good as a public-service message of sorts here." CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:31:53.287" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="20559" PostId="8700" Score="13" Text="If the answers can be made to fit the dup-target, this is reasonable." CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:30:00.283" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="20578" PostId="8700" Score="3" Text="Why merge answers from a question that was a hoax? I don't think this could help any serious question, by merging answers that came from questions that are a lie!" CreationDate="2016-04-15T18:16:37.373" UserDisplayName="user122772" />
  <row Id="20580" PostId="8700" Score="8" Text="@nwildner This isn't the first time we've seen &quot;Halp, I deleted all my things, what do I do?!?!?&quot;, (or even the more specific Linux/rm -rf variant) and it won't be the last.  So, next time, we can point to the question and say &quot;nope, you're screwed, like this guy.  And that guy.  And that guy, and...&quot; That's how it helps." CreationDate="2016-04-15T18:38:04.137" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20581" PostId="8700" Score="4" Text="Yeah, but if `rm -fr /` will not work, there is no need to &quot;document&quot; this, and use as proof to other questions since they will not show something real, and could be hoaxes too" CreationDate="2016-04-15T18:43:29.590" UserDisplayName="user122772" />
  <row Id="20583" PostId="8700" Score="0" Text="@nwildner I was being somewhat `pink-and-fluffy`; people are more likely to react well to something that preserves content and UIPs than to the thermonuclear option of deleting the whole mess (which I'd quite happily do too)... Anyway that's my last word on the matter if you want to continue discussing this with the noob please to it $elsewhere." CreationDate="2016-04-15T18:46:38.473" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20585" PostId="8700" Score="0" Text="I just disagree on merging answers. That's why i also gave a suggestion below :) Mark as spam, edit to explain the hoax and let the question closed. This way will preserve content and avoid mixing true answers with anwers of a question that was a lie :P" CreationDate="2016-04-15T19:07:45.407" UserDisplayName="user122772" />
  <row Id="20627" PostId="8700" Score="3" Text="@nwildner: It will work with non-GNU rm. So i guess with FreeBSD you're out of luck with the same problem. Too lazy to fire up a vm just to test it, but most real unices do not prevent you from doing stupid things." CreationDate="2016-04-16T21:43:39.720" UserId="93182" />
  <row Id="20640" PostId="8700" Score="1" Text="Deleting is bad - too many outside sources are pointing to it. Edit it, declare it's a hoax, and lock it. Or redirect the page to this page." CreationDate="2016-04-17T11:55:42.367" UserId="204856" />
  <row Id="20669" PostId="8700" Score="1" Text="@allo That used to be true, but don't assume it still is: https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/commit/d6b7bd90c2776d9ccd8bb7f33a899bd213aebf85" CreationDate="2016-04-18T15:22:50.077" UserDisplayName="user264234" />
  <row Id="20703" PostId="8700" Score="0" Text="The question was closed before I was able to answer.  If they had used `set -u` in their shell script, the faux problem would not have occured.  Setting `set-u` will cause bash to exit, due to unbound variables.  `rm -Rf ${foo}/${bar}`" CreationDate="2016-04-20T15:38:15.877" UserId="261951" />
  <row Id="20547" PostId="8701" Score="15" Text="Agreed. Push the big red button." CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:00:00.630" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="20549" PostId="8701" Score="20" Text="This I disagree with. A single transgression does not warrant this." CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:04:06.070" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20550" PostId="8701" Score="40" Text="Permlock his account but keep it around.  Edit the profile description with a link to this Meta question with the words &quot;Don't be like this guy&quot;" CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:04:21.690" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="20551" PostId="8701" Score="5" Text="@MarkHenderson - http://www.businesspundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/despair-poster-mistakes.jpg" CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:05:29.633" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="20552" PostId="8701" Score="31" Text="@MarkHenderson If this were a mistake? or April Fools then I would agree with you but it's neither. It is a deliberate act and should be punished as such." CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:06:02.823" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20553" PostId="8701" Score="9" Text="@Iain Show me where it says that moderators can unilaterally delete someone's entire account based on their own discretion." CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:06:56.587" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20554" PostId="8701" Score="3" Text="Sufficient upvotes might get it done though because that's the community's wish." CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:08:28.477" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20555" PostId="8701" Score="9" Text="@Iain moderators do not enforce the community's wish. They enforce the rules." CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:09:43.757" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20556" PostId="8701" Score="5" Text="I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on that." CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:11:06.430" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20557" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="Way to over react. Personally I doubt it warrants a suspension let alone account deletion." CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:22:52.697" UserId="39535" />
  <row Id="20558" PostId="8701" Score="14" Text="Bit late for that; question and user have had a fairly insane amount of attention already; best to make the truth known." CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:23:43.530" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="20586" PostId="8701" Score="1" Text="He changed his profile name in the meantime; probably some of that attention backfired. Looks like you don't really get good publicity for your company by telling the world &quot;I accidentally nuked all my servers and data&quot;... even if it wasn't true, it's still *quite* unprofessional." CreationDate="2016-04-15T19:56:01.900" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20588" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson As he spammed I would atleast block him on SF, aka a ban." CreationDate="2016-04-15T20:17:41.293" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20594" PostId="8701" Score="1" Text="@yagmoth555 That was *not* spam; if you think it was, then you need to revise your definition. It was a troll, but there are no rules specific to that so it's down to the situation and mod discussion to decide what to do." CreationDate="2016-04-15T22:03:37.597" UserId="310269" />
  <row Id="20595" PostId="8701" Score="1" Text="@Iain Account deletion is not a proportional, reasoned response to someone taking the mick. It's overkill and petty revenge for a perceived slight that has only affected *the OP* negatively; the site itself has *gained* traffic and users from it." CreationDate="2016-04-15T22:05:20.933" UserId="310269" />
  <row Id="20596" PostId="8701" Score="6" Text="@ArtOfCode I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you read the mobile version of the story. By the poster's own admission this was part of an attempt to advertise his startup. The content of the Q&amp;A itself may not be spam, but it *exists* for the purpose of commercial self-promotion, and therefore meets the definition." CreationDate="2016-04-15T22:17:56.740" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20603" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="@ArtOfCode I note with interested sadness your complete lack of prior  involvement with community and give your comment the contempt it deserves." CreationDate="2016-04-15T22:41:02.217" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20606" PostId="8701" Score="3" Text="@iain that doesn't make his point any less valid." CreationDate="2016-04-15T23:50:34.777" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20607" PostId="8701" Score="5" Text="@Mark I understand that this topic is important to you, but can you *please* pick your examples better? I've respected your stance up until now, but the idea that only the OP suffered here is demonstrably false. Some of the coverage this has gotten left people on mailing lists that I frequent with the impression that we're too stupid to understand what block level recovery is." CreationDate="2016-04-16T00:48:38.050" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20608" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB I didn't say he was right. I just said that his opinion isn't invalid." CreationDate="2016-04-16T00:50:18.153" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20609" PostId="8701" Score="9" Text="As for people saying we are too stupid to understand block level recovery, that is 100% our fault. We write smartass smug answers and we reap what we sow." CreationDate="2016-04-16T00:53:21.777" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20610" PostId="8701" Score="5" Text="Imagine the great publicity we could have got if more people wrote answers like Journeymans, and were way less dickish in the comments" CreationDate="2016-04-16T00:54:50.963" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20611" PostId="8701" Score="2" Text="@Mark In an industry that thrives on selective quoting, I don't buy *&quot;100% our fault&quot;*. We own our share of the blame, sure, but the rest of the blame belongs to anyone who specifically chooses to use those remarks as representative over the highest upvoted answers. As such, harm still occurred. (and this by no means endorses smarmy remarks that are wrong)" CreationDate="2016-04-16T00:58:49.867" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20612" PostId="8701" Score="3" Text="@AndrewB they couldn't have selectively chosen smartass comments if there were none to choose." CreationDate="2016-04-16T01:00:13.270" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20613" PostId="8701" Score="2" Text="@Mark We're splitting hairs here. Yes, it could be better. I can get behind being better. But zero snarky quips? On the internet? Without moderator intervention? You're using an unreachable ideal to mince a point, and I'm not going to go down this rabbit hole all night." CreationDate="2016-04-16T01:07:45.503" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20614" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson Why you fear what other think ? You bring the debate somewhere else. The problem of how the community react is another debate (like peterh's critic in the past) The problem there is that if you let someone use other on SF it's simply a lack of respect. I help by donating my time, does you endorse that someone start hoaxing question to advertise is own stuff ? That hoax got more view than all of my help over 1 year.. so yes, maybe SF is a great advertising platform now." CreationDate="2016-04-16T01:19:26.757" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20616" PostId="8701" Score="1" Text="@yagmoth555 at no stage did I say there should be no repercussions! I just do not support this specific nuclear option, as there is no precedent to justify doing so." CreationDate="2016-04-16T01:23:41.243" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20617" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson oh ok, well for me as iam not a native english I maybe mistinerpreted the option, as nuking for me only meaned a ban on all se's site, sorry if I misinterpreted your opinion." CreationDate="2016-04-16T01:34:12.120" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20619" PostId="8701" Score="2" Text="@Iain lack of involvement with the community is probably an advantage here in reaching an impartial and objective view. Some of you seem to be taking this far too personally and blowing things way out of proportion." CreationDate="2016-04-16T06:55:11.627" UserId="39535" />
  <row Id="20621" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="@MartinSmith That only show that we should open a another question of how to react to the user and move that Answer there. As everyone in comment there approve something, but not all for the same thing." CreationDate="2016-04-16T10:32:43.977" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20626" PostId="8701" Score="2" Text="@Iain this community, sure. Now go look up my network profile. I'm rather well acquainted with moderator action policies, I'm afraid. I give your retort much the same contempt." CreationDate="2016-04-16T20:43:21.390" UserId="310269" />
  <row Id="20628" PostId="8701" Score="1" Text="Delete the account, but allow to re-register under another name. You cannot prevent people from registering new pseudonyms anyway and the karma loss and loss of known nickname should be enough." CreationDate="2016-04-16T21:48:48.423" UserId="93182" />
  <row Id="20643" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="I don't think it matters if he gets banned- as long as we know who he is when he posts. On that note, banning is a purely symbolic act that tells whoever you've banned that you're butthurt and want them to have to enter the registration details again. No real damage, except maybe to reputation of post history content, is done. So let's stop arguing about this like it's a &quot;nuclear&quot; option." CreationDate="2016-04-17T12:51:01.453" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="20649" PostId="8701" Score="2" Text="@MarkHenderson Every mod and ex-mod on here has deleted multiple spammer accounts, so let's not pretend this is without precedent.  He's made 11 other posts, only 3 of which have a positive score.  Not exactly a pillar of the community, and not the first time a minor contributor decided to go spammer, and got deleted accordingly. A handful of upvotes haven't protected other spammers, and they shouldn't protect this one either.  (To say nothing of the giant middle finger he gave us that run-of-the-mill spammers don't.)" CreationDate="2016-04-18T00:09:36.547" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20650" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b then you should remember the checkbox you have to select when nuking a spammer. And the text saying that it's primarily a spam account. This account is not an account that was created explicitly for spamming. This account _was_ in good standing and could return to good standing in the future." CreationDate="2016-04-18T00:12:06.330" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20652" PostId="8701" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson Excluding the hoax question, he's got 11 posts with a combined net score of -2.  His spam post got 190k views, and has a current score of +9.  Sure sounds to me like his account's primary contribution is spam." CreationDate="2016-04-18T00:18:44.827" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20653" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="Again, it doesn't matter- if he comes back, he will likely use a new account to avoid looking stupid. Banned or not. Don't waste more brain cells arguing about the finer interpretation pointss of the rules." CreationDate="2016-04-18T00:19:44.787" UserId="96078" />
  <row Id="20654" PostId="8701" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b except... Where's the bit that he spammed? Where did he actually post an advertisement _on our site_? Also basil is correct, at this point in time it's just wasting bits to discuss it further." CreationDate="2016-04-18T00:22:25.707" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20655" PostId="8701" Score="6" Text="@MarkHenderson Yeah, right.  And the moral of the story is:  feel free to use SF as a platform for your viral spamming campaign, because you'll get a week's suspension, even if the community is 8:1 in favor of treating a spammer like a spammer." CreationDate="2016-04-18T00:34:02.580" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20656" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b failing to see the downside of that, assuming that the question isn't horrible." CreationDate="2016-04-18T00:41:33.500" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20657" PostId="8701" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson for a spammer the repercusion you told me is a week ban ?? wow. *facepalm*" CreationDate="2016-04-18T02:23:59.750" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20662" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b I extremely doubt that SF will suddenly become the platform for any further &quot;viral marketing&quot; as a result of this. I doubt any potential customers were impressed by the antics of the OP. And if it did then prospective viral marketeers would just know to open a throw away account in the future anyway." CreationDate="2016-04-18T07:17:06.947" UserId="39535" />
  <row Id="20663" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="@MartinSmith 'first post' review queue exist for that to leverage the spam detection &amp; rate. The user got a lot of view, is hoax worked. Next thing is what, posting valid questions about a startup product to get it know ?" CreationDate="2016-04-18T11:58:20.950" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20664" PostId="8701" Score="1" Text="@yagmoth555 sigh. There is no one week ban for spammers. Spamming is an insta-kill. But this was _not spam_. The only rule that he actually broke what what we used to call &quot;not a real question&quot;, but essentially you're only meant to ask questions about problems you've _actually_ had. And that isn't even enforced very rigorously. I agree this was a dick move, but I really don't see why everyone is so furious about it." CreationDate="2016-04-18T12:08:51.470" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20665" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 That &quot;startup&quot; thing you mentioned, some people have [already tried it before](http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/g-wan). That's astrotufing. This was not that either." CreationDate="2016-04-18T12:10:05.023" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20666" PostId="8701" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson for me it fit Andrew B comment to ArtofCode for the definition of spam. We simply just dont agree into that point." CreationDate="2016-04-18T13:22:20.010" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20688" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="@ArtOfCode &quot;...the site itself has gained traffic and users from it...&quot; I'm pretty sure BuzzFeed and other clickbait sites think the same way. Do we want to be better than them (quality), or do we only care about page views (quantity)?" CreationDate="2016-04-19T09:56:43.020" UserId="135333" />
  <row Id="20689" PostId="8701" Score="1" Text="@MarkHenderson &quot;I agree this was a dick move, but I really don't see why everyone is so furious about it.&quot; We are furious about it because *not doing something about a dick move* tells everyone that *dick moves are okay*. And they absolutely are not." CreationDate="2016-04-19T09:59:38.197" UserId="135333" />
  <row Id="20691" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="@IanKemp there have been plenty of dickheads doing dickheadish things on this site before and we've never. Ever. Had this level of outrage over it. I also never said we shouldn't do anything about it. I think the action that was taken now is 100% the correct action (merge, leave a message). Everyone is just super passionate about this particular dickhead suggesting all sorts of nuclear options that are, in my mind, unreasonable and over the top." CreationDate="2016-04-19T11:06:20.807" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20695" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson I seen a user with over 3k points on SF that got banned for 1 year for beeing a dickhead, while that dickhead got a week ban. Downplaying that dickhead is not fair either." CreationDate="2016-04-19T12:34:27.670" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20696" PostId="8701" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 If someone gets banned _for an entire year_, then it's not a first offence. It means that they have had repeated warnings and ignored them. Suspensions are escalating, so to reach a 1 year ban means they've had multiple shorter bans and continued their behaviour." CreationDate="2016-04-19T12:35:25.583" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="20704" PostId="8701" Score="7" Text="Why is everyone getting so hung up on the spam argument? It's much more simple than that. From the ToS (emphasis mine): &quot;Under no circumstances will Subscriber use the Network or the Service to ... ***(d) knowingly post any false, inaccurate or incomplete material***...&quot;" CreationDate="2016-04-21T19:24:06.683" UserId="54923" />
  <row Id="20705" PostId="8701" Score="4" Text="Also: &quot;Any ***fraudulent***, abusive, or otherwise illegal activity or any use of the Services or Content in violation of this Agreement may be grounds for termination of Subscriber’s right to Services or to access the Network.&quot; Now, to be fair, the verbiage is &quot;***may*** be grounds for termination&quot;. Still, I agree this is a rather offensive case as demonstrated by - if nothing else - the votes in this thread." CreationDate="2016-04-21T19:26:21.243" UserId="54923" />
  <row Id="20567" PostId="8702" Score="5" Text="Merging will redirect links to the merge target, so they are not broken." CreationDate="2016-04-15T17:14:21.027" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20568" PostId="8702" Score="2" Text="@Sven I don't believe the duplicate is exact - one is about getting access to a possibly still running system, the other is about recovering data. If there were an exact duplicate, then I'd be with you, but even then it's not as good a solution as undeleting and closing as dupe." CreationDate="2016-04-15T17:19:08.640" UserId="706" />
  <row Id="20604" PostId="8703" Score="3" Text="Marking as spam results in auto-deletion." CreationDate="2016-04-15T23:08:06.277" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20633" PostId="8706" Score="1" Text="https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5316/when-is-an-answer-not-an-answer" CreationDate="2016-04-17T05:47:00.423" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20622" PostId="8707" Score="3" Text="What Sven said.  Okay, I'm not a mod, but I've noticed that my flags are more likely to be accepted if I explain why I'm flagging them rather than use the canned reasons.  (For example:  &quot;It looks like the user has two accounts with the same name and has answered the question twice with identical wording.  Answers have one upvote each.  Seems hinky.&quot;)" CreationDate="2016-04-16T12:57:23.233" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20635" PostId="8707" Score="2" Text="+1 what Sven said, also what Katherine said.  Our mods are called upon to be experts on local community ethics and etiquette; lovely as they are, expecting them also to be experts on every aspect of sysadmin is a little unfair (though no doubt they all have substantial expertise in some fields of that, too).  **When you flag, make it as easy as possible for them to follow what you're thinking, and why!**  Also, buy them a coffee." CreationDate="2016-04-17T07:46:22.517" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20645" PostId="8712" Score="7" Text="+1, The last sentence really sums it all." CreationDate="2016-04-17T15:08:27.860" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20651" PostId="8712" Score="5" Text="+1.  He's a spammer.  The fact that he has a handful of upvotes from a handful of other posts doesn't change that.  We delete spammers' accounts all the time, and should dispose of this spammer in the same manner we dispose of other spammers." CreationDate="2016-04-18T00:14:32.843" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20707" PostId="8712" Score="1" Text="May the fleas from a thousand camels take up residence in his pubic hair." CreationDate="2016-04-23T16:30:50.837" UserId="16732" />
  <row Id="20670" PostId="8715" Score="1" Text="There is really no &quot;standard&quot; way to specify what this threshold should be other than answering this question: does the application performance meet your requirements? If so, then the current threshold is fine. If not, change things up." CreationDate="2016-04-18T16:39:46.493" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20671" PostId="8715" Score="0" Text="@EEAA thing is I'd need to set the threshold dynamically based on the number of cores the VM has available. This number can change without warning so I'm thinking of something like `$(grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo) x N` where `N&gt;=1` and would like some help in figuring out what value `N` should take. My limited understanding of how load works suggests that N should always be 1 but my equally limited experience shows that &gt;1 can also work. Hence the question. Is there no commonly used heuristic for this?" CreationDate="2016-04-18T16:43:31.153" UserId="155817" />
  <row Id="20702" PostId="8715" Score="0" Text="That turned into nice [Q&amp;A](http://serverfault.com/q/771233/37681) !" CreationDate="2016-04-20T11:58:09.463" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="20672" PostId="8717" Score="0" Text="Link to the question?" CreationDate="2016-04-18T17:43:37.640" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20673" PostId="8717" Score="0" Text="@EEAA http://serverfault.com/q/771169/214507" CreationDate="2016-04-18T17:45:16.853" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20674" PostId="8717" Score="1" Text="I don't have time to do research now, but in short, hopefully the serial dv algorithm will catch this and reverse the votes." CreationDate="2016-04-18T17:51:22.637" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20675" PostId="8717" Score="0" Text="Are you sure that's the right question? I could not find a bunch of people who had participated in that question and been downvoted elsewhere." CreationDate="2016-04-18T17:58:08.093" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20676" PostId="8717" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton I can confirm I got a downvote (on http://serverfault.com/questions/10854/nginx-https-serving-with-same-config-as-http) around the same time as the poster of that question's little rage fit." CreationDate="2016-04-18T17:59:50.613" UserId="584" />
  <row Id="20677" PostId="8717" Score="0" Text="@ceejayoz You appear to be the only one. I could not find anyone else." CreationDate="2016-04-18T18:00:21.497" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20678" PostId="8717" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton No look at http://serverfault.com/users/118258/hopelessn00b?tab=reputation http://serverfault.com/users/584/ceejayoz?tab=reputation http://serverfault.com/users/214507/kasperd?tab=reputation http://serverfault.com/users/8897/sven?tab=reputation all four shows a downvote at that time." CreationDate="2016-04-18T18:01:54.727" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20679" PostId="8717" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton HopelessN00b got a DV on http://serverfault.com/questions/415533/how-to-stop-people-from-using-my-domain-to-send-spam/415564#415564 and kasperd got a DV on http://serverfault.com/questions/595366/is-it-safe-for-a-production-server-to-have-make-installed/595379#595379. All three DVs took place 57 minutes ago." CreationDate="2016-04-18T18:02:19.363" UserId="584" />
  <row Id="20680" PostId="8717" Score="9" Text="Ohh, I see. The downvotes are on everyone who closed the question. I was looking at the commenters." CreationDate="2016-04-18T18:03:40.873" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20682" PostId="8717" Score="0" Text="Yeah, the close voters. One for Sven at http://serverfault.com/questions/33977/192-168-1-x-more-exploitable/33988#33988 as well." CreationDate="2016-04-18T18:03:58.797" UserId="584" />
  <row Id="20683" PostId="8717" Score="2" Text="@EEAA Unless they've updated it significantly, the serial d/v script won't catch this kind of retaliatory voting.  Deleting the account would reverse the votes, though. :)" CreationDate="2016-04-18T18:19:09.100" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20684" PostId="8717" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Ahh, ok. Good to know." CreationDate="2016-04-18T18:19:57.247" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20685" PostId="8717" Score="3" Text="Maybe we should take him up on his word. Quoting his comment (deleted by me): `You may go ahead and close/delete my profile who cares!!`" CreationDate="2016-04-18T19:12:43.070" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20686" PostId="8717" Score="0" Text="@Sven Sure sounds like permission to me.  Hell, given his last name, that even sounds like the way people who share his presumptive homeland tend to phrase requests, so I'd choose to interpret it as such." CreationDate="2016-04-18T19:24:56.987" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20692" PostId="8717" Score="0" Text="@Sven can you unblock it so we can keep down voting?  Just it seems to get to him and i think it would be funny to exhaust his rep purrty please *cute kitten face*" CreationDate="2016-04-19T11:20:38.180" UserId="120433" />
  <row Id="20693" PostId="8717" Score="0" Text="@ash: Most certainly no." CreationDate="2016-04-19T11:21:37.683" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20694" PostId="8717" Score="0" Text="@ash If I understand correctly how the system works, that would cause the question to be deleted in a few days after which he gets the reputation back." CreationDate="2016-04-19T11:38:50.983" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20697" PostId="8717" Score="0" Text="@kasperd likely, although I was hoping it was seen for the joke it was.  I think Sven is angry with me." CreationDate="2016-04-19T15:57:39.290" UserId="120433" />
  <row Id="20698" PostId="8717" Score="0" Text="@ash Your comment could easily be interpreted as entirely serious." CreationDate="2016-04-19T16:04:31.857" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20814" PostId="8719" Score="3" Text="Not sure about the last sentence. Just down-vote is anonymous, but does not provide any constructive feedback. It should not be used by default. There are such people who behave this way, but still most of them are eager to learn and improve (at least a bit) and just down-vote is frustrating." CreationDate="2016-05-02T08:27:52.397" UserId="186199" />
  <row Id="20708" PostId="8722" Score="1" Text="Start with the documentation and work out from there." CreationDate="2016-04-25T21:04:44.447" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20709" PostId="8722" Score="0" Text="@Iain But the reason I'm not sure where to ask is that I need to ask the more general, &quot;What is the best way to achieve this?&quot; I have only 1 server, so it all needs to live on there, but I don't know if I should install a base linux server and do all the services as separate VMs (or containers, etc) or some other setup." CreationDate="2016-04-25T21:08:57.703" UserId="101328" />
  <row Id="20710" PostId="8722" Score="2" Text="There is no &quot;best&quot; way. You won't get it right the first time, or even the second time, and quite possibly not the third time. It being a learning environment, start creating VMs and jump in." CreationDate="2016-04-25T23:22:28.603" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20712" PostId="8724" Score="4" Text="I haven't looked at your specific questions but i see that you have asked 5 ganglia questions in as many days. This smacks of someone who is new to a tool, has jumped in at the deep end and is not carrying out any personal research. Downvotes are to be expected in this scenaro as the lack of research shows up as crappy questions." CreationDate="2016-04-26T06:07:36.817" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20711" PostId="8725" Score="2" Text="3 of the questions listed have close votes giving the reason: &quot;Off-topic/Questions seeking installation, configuration or diagnostic help...&quot; It's reasonable to assume that questions that attract that type of close vote also get a downvote for being unclear." CreationDate="2016-04-26T04:38:53.250" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="20714" PostId="8725" Score="0" Text="@Ward Thanks, unfortunately I cannot see these close votes." CreationDate="2016-04-26T16:24:29.810" UserId="126950" />
  <row Id="20718" PostId="8725" Score="1" Text="We're past the Solar maximum now so gravity waves are where it's at now ;)" CreationDate="2016-04-27T18:27:13.810" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20730" PostId="8725" Score="0" Text="Thanks womble for the explanation!" CreationDate="2016-04-27T21:09:10.650" UserId="126950" />
  <row Id="20722" PostId="8726" Score="0" Text="A moderator can undelete your answer, but normal users cannot." CreationDate="2016-04-27T19:51:43.220" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20723" PostId="8726" Score="0" Text="It's almost certainly a duplicate too but it's almost certainly too difficult to find." CreationDate="2016-04-27T19:52:17.910" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20727" PostId="8726" Score="1" Text="I did this and I've to say: What @shog9 said. If the question where about Apache 2.4, I  likely would have let it stand, but even then I would consider this an absolute borderline case of a useful answer." CreationDate="2016-04-27T20:58:49.473" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20733" PostId="8726" Score="4" Text="Whatever [happened to downvotes](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5316/when-is-an-answer-not-an-answer) ? I guess that like dupes they're a waste of time and we should do away with them?" CreationDate="2016-04-27T21:31:45.037" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20735" PostId="8726" Score="0" Text="@iain, exactly) I actually even got upvote on my answer, so someone else though it was useful as well." CreationDate="2016-04-27T21:36:44.073" UserId="10683" />
  <row Id="20737" PostId="8726" Score="0" Text="@Sven Thank your comment. I saw an error from 2.4, and syntax of 2.2, so I immediately saw that as a possible cause of an issue, so I post an answer and in addition I provided link with greater details." CreationDate="2016-04-27T21:43:57.557" UserId="10683" />
  <row Id="20772" PostId="8726" Score="2" Text="@Sven (or I dont know if someone else can do it) - Do you mind undoing your conversion? deleting comment and un-deleting my answer? Thank you! (oh and you're welcome to down vote my answer if you don't think it's useful)" CreationDate="2016-04-28T15:12:13.563" UserId="10683" />
  <row Id="20812" PostId="8726" Score="0" Text="Fitting gif based on avatar: http://gph.is/11RIbqM." CreationDate="2016-05-01T11:48:14.297" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="20725" PostId="8728" Score="3" Text="It looks like a comment to me." CreationDate="2016-04-27T20:25:55.567" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20731" PostId="8728" Score="4" Text="@MichaelHampton Q: `Why is Apache trying to access something in the DocumentRoot?` A: [because] `your access control syntax written for httpd 2.2`.  That's an answer.  A wrong answer, and not a very good answer, but an answer, nonetheless.  Back when I bothered to flag things much at all, I was reminded on a semi-regular basis that a wrong answer or a bad answer is not the same thing as not-an-answer." CreationDate="2016-04-27T21:16:36.170" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20732" PostId="8728" Score="0" Text="OK, you've got a point there." CreationDate="2016-04-27T21:19:37.247" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20734" PostId="8728" Score="3" Text="https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5316/when-is-an-answer-not-an-answer" CreationDate="2016-04-27T21:32:07.587" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20752" PostId="8730" Score="0" Text="Well, re: &quot;I think you already asked the question,&quot; since I didn't previously have a serverfault account, I was only allowed to post on meta in regards to my own question.  Thanks for your info!  Will keep checking back." CreationDate="2016-04-28T07:12:02.403" UserId="351804" />
  <row Id="20778" PostId="8732" Score="3" Text="Some of the comments on the deleted answer (like Shog's above) make me want to turn this Internet right around." CreationDate="2016-04-28T18:04:54.943" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20780" PostId="8732" Score="2" Text="@KatherineVillyard Careful, now... sounds like you're disagreeing with someone there.  Even worse, it could be taken as agreeing with someone else. Someone could take such a thing personally, you know." CreationDate="2016-04-28T21:33:58.967" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20781" PostId="8732" Score="0" Text="@Iain &quot;Your **comment** is not asking for more information or suggesting improvements - it's not a comment.&quot; - then, any random turn or phrase is an answer? (Q. what's the capital of Norway? A. It's not Paris!) - I flagged the &quot;Answer&quot; as a comment  - there was a specific question that had nothing whatsoever to do with Apache syntax - and then a comment about Apache syntax with no explanation as to why it was being pointed out. the comment has since been edited to make it look a little less like a total Red Herring." CreationDate="2016-04-28T22:08:16.987" UserId="346295" />
  <row Id="20783" PostId="8732" Score="1" Text="@Rob-d That's the SE stance, yeah.  &quot;Not Paris!&quot; &quot;Purple?&quot; and &quot;Washington D.C.&quot; all count as answers to the question of what Norway's capital is.  Before he deleted it, someone posted an answer with [SE's stance on what constitutes an answer](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/225370/your-answer-is-in-another-castle-when-is-an-answer-not-an-answer).  Like it says, think of them as apples.  A rotted-out apple serving as bug food is still an apple." CreationDate="2016-04-29T01:14:20.323" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20784" PostId="8732" Score="1" Text="@josh that's mostly correct yes NAA is a blunt instrument. I wrote [this Q&amp;A](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5316/) based on some mSE posts [1](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/199456/when-to-use-naa-and-when-to-flag-mod-other/199460#199460),[2](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/167632/147520) to explain it. SE has some odd definitions for example an unanswered question may have one or more answers non of which have an upvote. Alexus' answer was an answer. It may have been wrong or an answer to a different question but it's still an answer and should be acted upon appropriately." CreationDate="2016-04-29T05:55:29.973" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20801" PostId="8732" Score="1" Text="I'm actually the person who upvoted the since-deleted answer.  I appreciate that he was backing up Sven.  That doesn't make me less exasperated with the comment thread that followed.  (As for whether the comment/answer is an answer or not, I think the OP should repost it as one, expanding it as suggested here to make sure we all realize it's an answer, and have done with it.)" CreationDate="2016-04-29T17:58:26.247" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20805" PostId="8732" Score="1" Text="@Iain I actually still think that my answer was correct answer, but again I'd expect OP to test any changes in testing environment before promoting any changes into live environment. Since Sven is MIA, I went ahead and answer question again, but slightly different) Thanks to KatherineVillyard for UV!" CreationDate="2016-04-30T04:02:00.867" UserId="10683" />
  <row Id="20809" PostId="8732" Score="1" Text="@alexus I see you got your bounty! Congratulations! I'm really glad you reposted an expanded version of your answer." CreationDate="2016-04-30T14:38:36.483" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20810" PostId="8732" Score="0" Text="@KatherineVillyard at the end of the day, I'm the real winner here) and that's because I learned new things) Thanks to everyone all around!" CreationDate="2016-04-30T14:44:48.283" UserId="10683" />
  <row Id="20811" PostId="8732" Score="0" Text="@alexus - I'm glad you learned something, unfortunately it had nothing to do with Apache syntax, as the same error was in the OP's 2.2 config, try figuring that one out." CreationDate="2016-04-30T21:26:11.307" UserId="346295" />
  <row Id="20813" PostId="8732" Score="0" Text="@Rob-d Many OPs don't really know. Without seeing the OPs configs written in blood I'd take what they say with a pinch of salt." CreationDate="2016-05-01T15:31:22.483" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20758" PostId="8733" Score="6" Text="That's not a well formed question. It's basically a load of stuff chucked at the internet screaming HALP! in the hope that someone will guide the author through reverse Q&amp;A - That's generally called tech support not Question and Answer." CreationDate="2016-04-28T09:37:47.067" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20773" PostId="8733" Score="0" Text="I probably wouldn't downvote that question, but I wouldn't call it &quot;well-formed,&quot; either.  It's definitely a step above &quot;I followed this how-to guide [link] and it didn't work HALP!&quot; but it's basically, &quot;Here are my versions and configs.  I see a lot of processes and think I may be running out of memory.  Eventually it stops working.&quot;  He includes a lot of good version and config info, but we'd need his error logs, the output of top, and things like that to see what was happening when it stopped responding in order to help him.  Hopefully, he'll provide those." CreationDate="2016-04-28T17:31:26.987" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20775" PostId="8733" Score="0" Text="P.S.  I agree with Sven, too, that if you think the person who downvoted was too harsh, you can upvote the question.  It'll be a net win for the OP, rep-wise." CreationDate="2016-04-28T17:36:31.717" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20779" PostId="8733" Score="1" Text="Conversely, a lot of crap gets upvoted when it shouldn't, so maybe upvotes should be moderated too.  Given that no one around here votes much anyway, it wouldn't be much of an added burden either, so that's another argument in favor of the idea." CreationDate="2016-04-28T21:14:11.673" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20833" PostId="8733" Score="0" Text="While it can be emotionally frustrating to get any number of downvotes, the downvoting system is **critical** to the function of Stack Exchange and Stack Overflow. If you are here because you like the content that you find on Stack Exchange, then you should realize **you need the downvotes to work as they do in order to generate the content the way it is generated**. If you don't want people to downvote the way they do on SE, then you don't want to be on SE. If you want to be on SE, then you'll be happier if you learn to accept downvotes with grace." CreationDate="2016-05-05T16:23:09.127" UserId="213609" />
  <row Id="20754" PostId="8734" Score="0" Text="I get that voting is an opinion, but opinions can have better or worse arguments. For example, I already got two downvotes here just for the fact of asking, how can that be fair?" CreationDate="2016-04-28T09:26:35.410" UserId="349062" />
  <row Id="20755" PostId="8734" Score="1" Text="Votes on meta are used to indicate agreement (up) or disagreement (down)" CreationDate="2016-04-28T09:27:47.033" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="20756" PostId="8734" Score="1" Text="Downvotes on meta are mainly used to indicate agreement or disagreement. Your three downvotes mean three people disagree with this idea." CreationDate="2016-04-28T09:27:48.553" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20757" PostId="8734" Score="0" Text="My bad, didn't know that. Anyways, it's not any idea, I'm just asking to see what people think about how voting system works." CreationDate="2016-04-28T09:29:34.460" UserId="349062" />
  <row Id="20770" PostId="8734" Score="0" Text="@Alex: Opinions aren't fair, or unfair, or right, or wrong... they're opinions. Users should be free to freely express their opinions with downvotes and comments as they see fit so long as they aren't personal attacks. Why should that free expression be moderated or dictated?" CreationDate="2016-04-28T12:29:16.233" UserId="19152" />
  <row Id="20771" PostId="8734" Score="0" Text="@joeqwerty we can start a quite long discussion here on whether opinions should be respected or not but it has nothing to do here. Anyways, I've been consulting StackExchange communities for over a year now and I always felt that answers with more upvotes than others appear to be better (wheter it is because of it's content, explanation or final result) so, I see votes as something more than just *opinion*." CreationDate="2016-04-28T12:37:06.330" UserId="349062" />
  <row Id="20774" PostId="8734" Score="0" Text="@Alex Answers with more upvotes have a community consensus that they're useful.  That's more than the opinion of just one person." CreationDate="2016-04-28T17:33:49.440" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20776" PostId="8734" Score="0" Text="@KatherineVillyard yeah, I know, but know, with so many specific questions, even a +2 makes a huge difference" CreationDate="2016-04-28T17:39:44.960" UserId="349062" />
  <row Id="20759" PostId="8735" Score="0" Text="I'm not saying that downvotes should be moderated by moderators, so it can still be under community control and I don't think that people give upvotes as freely as downvotes." CreationDate="2016-04-28T09:43:19.073" UserId="349062" />
  <row Id="20760" PostId="8735" Score="1" Text="@Alex Can you prove that? I personally have 980 upvotes vs 233 downvotes. I think though that that might be because I often come across old, useful and well written posts, and upvote the lot of them. Most of my downvotes on the other hand are on newer posts written by illiterate children in charge of things only adults should handle." CreationDate="2016-04-28T09:57:13.013" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="20761" PostId="8735" Score="0" Text="@Reaces it's not about how many you have, it's about how fair they are but, anyways, of course there are some people that take it serously and think about it before downvoting but on the other hand is the exact opposite, people downvoting for no reason." CreationDate="2016-04-28T10:02:50.487" UserId="349062" />
  <row Id="20762" PostId="8735" Score="3" Text="@Alex: The &quot;for no reason&quot; part is highly subjective. Just because *you* wouldn't downvote a question doesn't mean that others are not entitled to have an entirely  different view of what forms a useful and acceptable contribution to the site. Your view is in no way better or more right than those of downvoters (and vice versa)." CreationDate="2016-04-28T10:20:41.810" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20763" PostId="8735" Score="0" Text="Of course, it's just my opinion, so they are all the upvotes and downvotes, that's why I made the question. To see if they should be moderated, which inheritly means objectivity." CreationDate="2016-04-28T10:32:28.647" UserId="349062" />
  <row Id="20764" PostId="8735" Score="0" Text="@Alex: No. Moderation is *always* subjective as well." CreationDate="2016-04-28T10:36:56.193" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20765" PostId="8735" Score="1" Text="@Sven wow! Always? That's something to be afraid of... So if a mod is having a bad day and missunderstands something or just feels the need to rage, he will take actions following his own opinion at the moment instead of trying to follow the rules?" CreationDate="2016-04-28T10:39:39.227" UserId="349062" />
  <row Id="20766" PostId="8735" Score="2" Text="@Alex: I wouldn't formulate it so drastic, but in general: Yes. As I mod I try my very best to be as neutral and objective as possible, but since I am only human, this has limits. Also, the site has a multitude of options to keep mods in check if they start to act actively harmful." CreationDate="2016-04-28T10:43:31.320" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20768" PostId="8735" Score="0" Text="@Alex It's not that black and white. There isn't one side that follows the rules and another that follows their own opinion. Moderators uphold the rules based on their opinion of those rules and their interpretation of those rules at the time that they act. Have you never come into contact with law enforcement? It's like this all over the planet :D" CreationDate="2016-04-28T11:22:42.763" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="20769" PostId="8735" Score="0" Text="@Reaces I'm also owner and moderator of a community and I have to deal with people every day as every mod has to, but, even tho some decissions might be wrong, being objective should be a must and I really try to be it because, if not, I would end up living in caos. Idiots with responsabilities because I was in a good mood the day I met them and viceversa." CreationDate="2016-04-28T11:31:06.087" UserId="349062" />
  <row Id="20782" PostId="8738" Score="0" Text="Alright, I see.. and understand that. It's a pitty tho, some expert advice would be great here :)" CreationDate="2016-04-28T23:04:52.623" UserId="349062" />
  <row Id="20803" PostId="8738" Score="0" Text="@Alex Once upon a time, we did do shopping questions.  Feel free to search them out if you want to find practical examples of why this kind of question doesn't hold up well to the test of time." CreationDate="2016-04-29T18:57:11.833" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20804" PostId="8738" Score="0" Text="I'll do, I may find an answer to my questions and yeah.. I can already see the huge amount of spam Ward was talking about.." CreationDate="2016-04-29T22:25:50.203" UserId="349062" />
  <row Id="20841" PostId="8738" Score="0" Text="@Alex go to reddit for open-ended questions" CreationDate="2016-05-08T00:18:53.280" UserId="236777" />
  <row Id="20800" PostId="8740" Score="17" Text="No, in the pink-and-fluffy world that is SE, RTFM is very frowned upon even if, it is frequently necessary. A simple Down Vote and when you can close vote is sufficient. I Have been known to leave a comment `Serverfault should not be expected to provide Reading Manuals as a Service.` or similar." CreationDate="2016-04-29T16:19:05.770" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20815" PostId="8740" Score="9" Text="I know your pain, but RTFM is really the most bland answer a human being is able to give. Because it applies to 99% of all questions in the world, regardless how many years of expertise and technical knowledge the questioner has. The more appropriate action is to tell the questioner that he has to put in some research effort and downvote or closevote the question until it is improved." CreationDate="2016-05-02T09:18:13.790" UserId="188837" />
  <row Id="20829" PostId="8740" Score="7" Text="I'll generally link to - and quote - TFM in the process, with a view to providing a dupe-target. (If one doesn't exist already)" CreationDate="2016-05-04T13:14:06.120" UserId="216511" />
  <row Id="20834" PostId="8740" Score="7" Text="Possible duplicate of [RTFM inappropriate?](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/872/rtfm-inappropriate)" CreationDate="2016-05-05T16:40:41.820" UserId="240639" />
  <row Id="20843" PostId="8740" Score="0" Text="No, not if you want people to return to the website." CreationDate="2016-05-09T14:55:40.473" UserId="15827" />
  <row Id="20847" PostId="8740" Score="0" Text="is there any users you don't want on this website?" CreationDate="2016-05-09T21:30:25.800" UserId="346295" />
  <row Id="20848" PostId="8740" Score="0" Text="Isn't &quot;RTFM&quot; the complete opposite of what StackExchange is supposed to be about?" CreationDate="2016-05-10T21:05:19.567" UserId="114899" />
  <row Id="20851" PostId="8740" Score="3" Text="the complete opposite, really? so it's exclusively  a question and answer site for managing information technology systems in a business environment...for people who won't RTFM, - maybe RTFM is offensive (I get that) - it's also very practical advice" CreationDate="2016-05-12T10:51:38.450" UserId="346295" />
  <row Id="20854" PostId="8740" Score="1" Text="@Sahuagin The restriction on RTFM answers does not obviate the need for people to do some research prior to asking a question. In fact, the tooltip for ownvotes even mentions _This does not show any research effort._ The kind of question where you may want to say RTFM! are those where writing the question is clearly more difficult and a longer process than reading the docs. If people don't learn to read the docs then the day they have no internet they're screwed." CreationDate="2016-05-12T17:16:20.063" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20863" PostId="8740" Score="0" Text="There are many questions I've had where I would happily accept &quot;RTFM&quot; as an answer **if it also included a link to a f-ing manual!!**. Sadly, some manufacturers have very confusing, hard to find, and/or poor documentation (cough, Microsoft, cough). And having spent 17 years slowly learning how to parse the arcane verbiage that makes up Cisco documentation, I would never relegate anyone asking a Cisco-related question to attempting to parse it straight from their f-ing &quot;manuals&quot;. I come to SF.SE *after* R-ing the FM, because sometimes the FM is F-ing Useless." CreationDate="2016-05-17T14:25:39.337" UserId="213609" />
  <row Id="21506" PostId="8740" Score="0" Text="Related: [What to do with questions when the answer is in a man page?](https://meta.serverfault.com/q/8934/58408)" CreationDate="2016-11-17T16:46:33.293" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="22544" PostId="8740" Score="0" Text="What's wrong with referring to the friendly manual?" CreationDate="2018-11-26T08:35:15.557" UserId="71790" />
  <row Id="20786" PostId="8741" Score="0" Text="perhaps there's other issues at play, I can see from the related question that a version of this question was asked before - but it wan't matched when I created mine - same expression in the title 'RTFM'" CreationDate="2016-04-29T12:14:48.863" UserId="346295" />
  <row Id="20787" PostId="8741" Score="0" Text="Do you mean http://meta.serverfault.com/q/872/120438 ? That one is 6 years old; community standards change over time, so it's not necessarily a bad thing to bring this up again. But IMAO it's better to close the question with a good close reason than to just comment with RTFM." CreationDate="2016-04-29T12:17:59.353" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20788" PostId="8741" Score="1" Text="@Rob-d If you comment you better use a well wrote comment, as a simple &quot;RTFM&quot;'s comment can get into an argument easily, and get revenge downvoting, etc..." CreationDate="2016-04-29T12:32:23.953" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20789" PostId="8741" Score="0" Text="-&gt; i don't think they even stick around that long - but no, I would just throw it out there, it's kind of - shouldn't we make them be better admins" CreationDate="2016-04-29T12:35:36.110" UserId="346295" />
  <row Id="20790" PostId="8741" Score="0" Text="@Rob-d We should. Like this question: http://serverfault.com/q/694010/120438 - where I voted to close, and added a comment with information about where to find the relevant docs." CreationDate="2016-04-29T12:42:08.480" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20791" PostId="8741" Score="0" Text="@Rob-d And here's an even better example: http://serverfault.com/q/665258/120438" CreationDate="2016-04-29T12:43:25.080" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20792" PostId="8741" Score="0" Text="@Jenny - what about this one just in - http://serverfault.com/questions/773835/why-ethernet-mtu-size-is-1500" CreationDate="2016-04-29T12:51:57.410" UserId="346295" />
  <row Id="20793" PostId="8741" Score="0" Text="1 upvote 2 favourites and an answer, from Google." CreationDate="2016-04-29T12:54:13.033" UserId="346295" />
  <row Id="20794" PostId="8741" Score="0" Text="@Rob-d Really doesn't belong here. It might possibly be on-topic at [networkengineering.se], I'm not sure." CreationDate="2016-04-29T12:54:16.827" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20795" PostId="8741" Score="0" Text="@Rob-d However, as I said, the thing to do is to downvote, and if you can post a comment that's not too snarky (a feat that is often beyond me...), do that. If it's egregiously bad, flag it." CreationDate="2016-04-29T12:59:33.260" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20796" PostId="8741" Score="0" Text="i flagged it as discussion" CreationDate="2016-04-29T13:00:43.320" UserId="346295" />
  <row Id="20802" PostId="8741" Score="4" Text="@Rob-d Better yet, just don't bother at all.  If they can't be bothered to RTFM, commenting isn't going to do any good.  As Jenny answered, just throw on a downvote and/or close vote and move on. `shouldn't we make them be better admins` Not for free, and not for lazy, jerkoff [help-vampires](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19665/the-help-vampire-problem), no.  It's not what they want anyway, they just want the codez/someone else to do their job for them.  By downvoting and close voting, you get them to a question ban quicker, which means less dealing with their particular crap." CreationDate="2016-04-29T18:54:17.413" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20850" PostId="8741" Score="0" Text="Last quote definitely should be in list of close reasons." CreationDate="2016-05-12T07:51:51.770" UserId="211028" />
  <row Id="20797" PostId="8742" Score="1" Text="thanks, I'll STFU and bite my tongue for the most part - else-wise I become a Google service. I commented on one or two questions with the 'let me google that for you' link - which is a cheeky way of saying RTFM - but I'll cease and desist with that." CreationDate="2016-04-29T13:17:21.190" UserId="346295" />
  <row Id="20798" PostId="8742" Score="1" Text="IIRC *&quot;let me google that for you&quot;*  links are/were blocked, but maybe that block is only on answers and not for comments. anyway, sometimes I notice that the problem people describe is more than sufficiently documented, but if only you already know the correct jargon/technical term. Please don't hesitate to point that out. [This Q&amp;A](http://serverfault.com/questions/773840) is only one such example although I would have left a comment rather than an answer." CreationDate="2016-04-29T13:23:20.707" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="20799" PostId="8742" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn The block has gone away. I'm looking into why, and get it back." CreationDate="2016-04-29T13:26:56.627" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="20849" PostId="8742" Score="0" Text="Agree with the middle ground. As systems get more complex, there will often be cases where one is required to deal with something new. That said, documentation is often poor and difficult to use. Helping someone (even someone who may not appear to have done enough homework) while also pointing to the correct documentation not only solves the immediate problem, but also helps that person and others who follow to better use that documentation." CreationDate="2016-05-12T02:13:42.013" UserId="256540" />
  <row Id="20819" PostId="8743" Score="5" Text="Since you're new here, I just want to explain that downvotes here on Meta don't work the same as downvotes on the regular site. Votes on Meta don't affect your rep, and they are often used to indicate agreement/disagreement, instead of as an evaluation of the quality of the question." CreationDate="2016-05-02T13:26:16.820" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="20816" PostId="8744" Score="3" Text="I could't have said it better myself." CreationDate="2016-05-02T12:07:46.367" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="20817" PostId="8744" Score="3" Text="In hindsight, I totally agree that I should've contacted the vendor directly and for that reason I agree I shouldn't have posted it on ServerFault. However, I fail to see how you arrive at the conclusion that it's a &quot;production recommendation&quot;, but I'm happy not to continue drawing any more attention to this issue because we all agree that I shouldn't have posted that question... Although for different reasons." CreationDate="2016-05-02T12:11:32.650" UserId="340970" />
  <row Id="20820" PostId="8744" Score="0" Text="@Gustavo Think of it like this: a significant reason why this category of questions is considered off-topic is due to obsolescence factor. Whether or not company X does Y is a product selection question based on services offered, and the answer is a snapshot in time. If company X at a later date decides that Y was too costly and that they should no longer do it, the value of the Q&amp;A becomes flipped around entirely." CreationDate="2016-05-02T16:16:30.083" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20825" PostId="8744" Score="0" Text="Absent this rule, we surely would be deluged with &quot;stealth spam&quot; questions intended to raise the profile of a product, e.g.: {Q: &quot;Does $SNAKE_OIL have $FEATURE to solve $PROBLEM?&quot;, A1: &quot;Yes, it has the best $FEATURE ever and it works even better in version 3.6!&quot;, A2: &quot;I had so many $PROBLEMs until I discovered $SNAKE_OIL and $FEATURE solved them all!&quot;}" CreationDate="2016-05-04T00:08:52.320" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="20821" PostId="8746" Score="1" Text="To be fair though, I was referring to the parasites" CreationDate="2016-05-03T19:32:40.723" UserId="346295" />
  <row Id="20822" PostId="8746" Score="4" Text="and I'm referring to how people think they have a better parasite detector than they do" CreationDate="2016-05-03T20:15:12.780" UserId="352770" />
  <row Id="20823" PostId="8746" Score="6" Text="We're quite good at spotting parasites, thank you very much. Since you're new here, I'll remind you to take the [tour] and learn that our site is targeted toward _professional_ operators. It is _not_ targeted toward developers, enthusiasts or random people who want their PCs fixed or want the basics of some technology explained to them." CreationDate="2016-05-03T23:20:39.977" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20824" PostId="8746" Score="4" Text="mike if you took 1 second to look at my profile you'd realize this isn't my first day on the stack exchange network, so pardon me if it's plainly obvious that maybe you're on the unfortunate end of the dunning-kreuger curve regarding your &quot;parasite detector&quot; abilities. I'm also not the scapegoat for whatever windmill-dragons you imagine are threatening the glorious hallowed halls of the stack you moderate (yes, I can read profiles!) I'm just a casual user trying to contribute with what I have. Relax.You'll never get anything done if you attack people who are trying to help solve your problems." CreationDate="2016-05-03T23:31:53.220" UserId="352770" />
  <row Id="20826" PostId="8746" Score="8" Text="I did look at your profile. You've been here all of two days. Your time elsewhere on the network only means you probably understand the underlying software; it does not mean you know what is acceptable or unacceptable here. None of this qualifies you to come in and begin insulting people. You will cease doing so immediately." CreationDate="2016-05-04T08:02:28.203" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20827" PostId="8746" Score="7" Text="Anna. Close to 80% of the people who ask questions on Server Fault have an account with more reputation on another SE site. This suggests that close to 80% of the people asking questions know how the system works. Knowing how the system works does not obviate the need for people to read the tour - reading the site name 'Server Fault' misleads people into thinking that they can ask any IT related question here and that is incorrect." CreationDate="2016-05-04T10:48:30.480" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20828" PostId="8746" Score="6" Text="Right now I don't really think you understand the problem you are trying to help solve. The best way for you to help solve the problem is to go and answer some questions on the main site so that you can get a better understanding of what the problem is - wear a man's shoes and all that. I look forward to seeing your contributions." CreationDate="2016-05-04T10:48:39.747" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20830" PostId="8746" Score="0" Text="The problem I'm trying to solve is forgetting why this entire site network exists in the first place." CreationDate="2016-05-04T14:58:10.913" UserId="352770" />
  <row Id="20832" PostId="8746" Score="1" Text="[Sometimes telling people to read the documentation is the only answer.](http://serverfault.com/q/774941/9517)" CreationDate="2016-05-05T05:56:32.367" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20835" PostId="8746" Score="2" Text="and yet in that example they still gave the answer, which is incredibly helpful for someone who might be googling that error message trying to read the manual in the first place. no matter how big of an idiot you think that or any asker is, the response there should remain the bare minimum standard for stack exchange. server administration comes with a bit of a god/superiority complex, but its also sometimes a lot of thankless shovel work and someone taking a minute to give a straightforward answer might just make some harried admin who just forgot the -6 flag was a thing's day" CreationDate="2016-05-06T15:59:21.523" UserId="352770" />
  <row Id="20836" PostId="8746" Score="0" Text="It would have taken the OP less time to read the documentation and gain (most of) the information in the answer than it did to ask the question  in the first place only to be told to read the documentation... I also note with a tinge of sadness that you seem not to have upvoted an apparently useful answer but hey no one is perfect at playing the SE game." CreationDate="2016-05-07T06:08:01.620" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20838" PostId="8746" Score="2" Text="See, the trouble I have with people not reading docs and asking crappy questions of the internet in general is that you are creating a dependence on others rather than educating people to be self sufficient. If the only thing you can do is 'ask the internet' then the day your internet is not there you're screwed." CreationDate="2016-05-07T06:18:11.877" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20842" PostId="8746" Score="0" Text="I'm a bit curious, what prompted you to come answer this question?" CreationDate="2016-05-08T19:14:21.667" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="20846" PostId="8746" Score="0" Text="it was in the sidebar of something I was looking at" CreationDate="2016-05-09T17:49:39.563" UserId="352770" />
  <row Id="20839" PostId="8751" Score="4" Text="P.S.  I didn't manually boot 2000 lab computers into safe mode to apply a patch.  I added the horrible BSOD-inducing driver and its patch in the lab's already thick image and reimaged the lab." CreationDate="2016-05-07T13:04:47.910" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20858" PostId="8756" Score="3" Text="A new mobile-web theme was rolled out a couple of days ago, it seems." CreationDate="2016-05-15T12:29:13.900" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20859" PostId="8756" Score="0" Text="@Oded If not a bug, you answer me, as I though the mobile web theme was supposed to follow the normal theme of the main site. (like it was before, but it was maybe a cooincidance that the old theme was the same as SF's theme too)" CreationDate="2016-05-16T10:58:54.117" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20860" PostId="8756" Score="0" Text="The old theme was the same theme for all sites - there was no specific &quot;SF&quot; mobile theme." CreationDate="2016-05-16T10:59:58.350" UserId="29445" />
  <row Id="20861" PostId="8756" Score="0" Text="@Oded Thanks for the clarification! If you write that as a answer, I will accept then and close this discusion" CreationDate="2016-05-16T11:01:37.663" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20862" PostId="8756" Score="3" Text="[There isn't always a difference.](http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/not_a_bug_but_a_feature.jpg)" CreationDate="2016-05-16T13:31:52.260" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20865" PostId="8758" Score="2" Text="Yup, but that's the license and the way things go around here.  Author's original intent isn't nearly as important as they like to pretend, or say to the sub 2k peons." CreationDate="2016-05-21T17:59:47.317" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20866" PostId="8758" Score="1" Text="I'm not too butt-hurt, but it goes into the pile of reasons for diminished interest and participation." CreationDate="2016-05-21T18:03:55.743" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="20868" PostId="8758" Score="1" Text="Yeah, I'm years ahead of you on that particular reason, so I get it.  Just saying it's not gonna change for the better, so adjust accordingly." CreationDate="2016-05-21T18:10:02.877" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20864" PostId="8759" Score="1" Text="Removal was unnecessary. I don't have to provide a technical justification because the answer, context and problem was resolved... Years ago. I objected because of the comments and the subsequent rollback." CreationDate="2016-05-21T15:36:07.110" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="20867" PostId="8759" Score="3" Text="So what if it's disrespectful?  How much respect does a man who murdered his mail-order-bride really deserve?  Like it or not, undesirable personalities in lead project developers is a factor in product selection.  For example, I know of multiple companies that are moving or have moved off of Observim (onto a fork) because they're sick of Adam Armstrong's flaming jackassery." CreationDate="2016-05-21T18:08:18.813" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20880" PostId="8759" Score="4" Text="It's true. The scandal drove developers away from the Reiser filesystem and killed its use and mindshare in production environments. A non-technical cause with a technical and business impact." CreationDate="2016-05-23T11:29:38.623" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="20881" PostId="8759" Score="6" Text="@ewwhite: I am really not opposed to adding/keeping the Wikipedia link describing the specific Reiser problem *at all* - this is certainly a valid point and, like Andrew, I have missed the link in the deleted section. If this is the main part of your grief, we can easily fix this.  My issue is the mugshot and the derogatory comment coming with it - I think it violates our [be nice rule](http://serverfault.com/help/be-nice) and thus has no place here, and for this the age of the post is irrelevant." CreationDate="2016-05-23T12:06:34.633" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20882" PostId="8759" Score="6" Text="All that said, I've to say that my mod action certainly doesn't mean any kind of disrespect at all towards you and I am really sorry if you should feel this way." CreationDate="2016-05-23T12:06:43.680" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20869" PostId="8760" Score="0" Text="The content was apt at the time. But the flurry of downvotes today is just stupid." CreationDate="2016-05-21T18:37:13.547" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="20870" PostId="8760" Score="3" Text="@ewwhite That much I don't have visibility into, but if the answer is being dogpiled with downvotes on the basis of that one detail alone, that's pretty damn petty." CreationDate="2016-05-21T18:38:28.727" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20871" PostId="8761" Score="0" Text="I'm neutral on this one. I definitely do not advocate downvoting a factually accurate answer on the basis of a supplementary opinion." CreationDate="2016-05-21T18:53:06.137" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20872" PostId="8761" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB If you feel *that* strongly about the supplementary opinion, it's the better option than just editing out whatever part of the post you disagree with." CreationDate="2016-05-21T19:09:55.020" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20873" PostId="8761" Score="5" Text="Sorry, but this editing hint is obviously not meant for this situation, and you should know this. This would be relevant if the post had be edited to contain glowing praise of ReiserFS or its creator. Instead, the edit removed something I consider **really** offensive. I don't think it's tame or harmless and I just don't get why the f*** we are even arguing about this." CreationDate="2016-05-21T19:12:24.843" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20874" PostId="8761" Score="1" Text="@Sven has your threshold for what's offensive always been this low?  Regardless, I'm not arguing, and there's a larger issue here.  The site's highest rep user, one of the small number of remaining, regular contributors, is saying that he feels disrespected by an edit that introduces a major change to a four-year old post.  Your response to that is going to do more than just determine the content of an old answer.  It's really no skin off my nose, but it seems to me like it might be in [what's left of] the community's best interests to give your response a little more deliberation." CreationDate="2016-05-21T19:33:14.517" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20875" PostId="8761" Score="1" Text="@Sven The argument is because you locked the post, allowed someone to change an answer into something I didn't want and asked the discussion to take place in Meta - _see: This post has been locked while disputes about its content are being resolved. For more info visit meta._" CreationDate="2016-05-21T21:00:00.557" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="20885" PostId="8768" Score="7" Text="Needs to be made of the SE overlords, and people have been asking for that feature for literally years, to no effect.  Don't get your hopes up." CreationDate="2016-05-27T19:57:58.840" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20887" PostId="8768" Score="0" Text="Better not have too much hope :|  as check that; [Is there a way to edit a question without bumping it to the front page?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/23241/is-there-a-way-to-edit-a-question-without-bumping-it-to-the-front-page) with a status declined.. or that one [The problem with automatically bumping edited posts](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/178490/the-problem-with-automatically-bumping-edited-posts) with a -6 of score." CreationDate="2016-05-29T02:20:00.610" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20886" PostId="8769" Score="0" Text="That doesn't really answer my question. If someone corrects the word &quot;teh&quot; to &quot;the&quot; in a post from 2010 that is unremarkable, do you allow the edit because it actually does help the post, or do you reject it because it bumps a post for a trivial reason? My suggestion is to allow the edit but not bump the post." CreationDate="2016-05-28T21:16:28.780" UserId="306795" />
  <row Id="20888" PostId="8769" Score="3" Text="@tim we understand but you have a bigger chance of going to the pet store and buying a cat with three buttholes than you do of getting Stack Exchange to approve a suggestion that would be helpful on sites that aren't stack overflow itself, where the churn of new posts is so high that they don't see the problem you describe and we've all seen." CreationDate="2016-05-29T11:21:26.747" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="20896" PostId="8771" Score="7" Text="Oh dear what a lot of squitter over a 4 year old answer that had already been called out for the same thing. Sometime saying nothing is the correct thing to do... this is clearly the right thing to have done here." CreationDate="2016-05-30T21:14:12.793" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20897" PostId="8771" Score="11" Text="@Iain The question is about moderators abusing their powers on their own answers. Also, I think moderators should have a better understanding of what is considered an insult." CreationDate="2016-05-30T21:22:07.600" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20898" PostId="8771" Score="4" Text="For the record: I've also deleted the answering comment by Michael, as it answers to a deleted comment and doesn't make any sense on its own." CreationDate="2016-05-30T21:30:42.747" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20899" PostId="8771" Score="5" Text="Anyone is entitled to be insulted by whatever they want and they generally are. If Michael wants to be insulted by your quoting 'the rules' at him then that's up to him. he was, he acted appropriately for his perception of your insult. I mean I find it insulting that you, a user with no apparent useful contributions to SF should be calling out someone of Michael's standing in this community. There,you have insulted two people here today." CreationDate="2016-05-30T21:31:16.940" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20902" PostId="8771" Score="10" Text="@Iain my statements being true or false are not defined by my status in community. Moderators should be objective, and not do what they please and justify that by making stuff up." CreationDate="2016-05-30T21:48:08.350" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20904" PostId="8771" Score="3" Text="Perception is reality." CreationDate="2016-05-30T21:51:35.530" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20905" PostId="8771" Score="15" Text="Reality is reality." CreationDate="2016-05-30T21:52:02.573" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20906" PostId="8771" Score="0" Text="Moderators are people too.You are so wrapped up in your own reality that you have forgotten other people's realities. Anyway I have better things to do with my reality than to validate your's." CreationDate="2016-05-30T21:56:01.357" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20911" PostId="8771" Score="9" Text="@Iain yes they are and so are non-moderators. Moderators are for maintaining quality of serverfault content and they have to be &quot;patient and fair&quot;. If they are not fit for the role, they should be replaced. http://serverfault.com/help/site-moderators" CreationDate="2016-05-30T22:16:37.907" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20914" PostId="8771" Score="0" Text="I have been a moderator here too. You don't need to quote the rules at me as well." CreationDate="2016-05-30T22:24:28.080" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20916" PostId="8771" Score="15" Text="&quot;How dare you question me, don't you know who I am&quot; attitude. How refreshing coming from an ex-mod. I'm sure you exemplify the standards that Stack Exchange and Server Overflow want in the moderation team." CreationDate="2016-05-30T23:53:10.323" UserId="329347" />
  <row Id="20921" PostId="8771" Score="7" Text="@cde 'you don't need to lecture me too' is not the same as 'do not question me'. I'm sorry you got all indignant over reading that wrong." CreationDate="2016-05-31T08:30:55.487" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20923" PostId="8771" Score="0" Text="FYI for others who haven't visited meta.se:  http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/279791/moderator-deleted-my-comment-on-his-answer-and-wrongfully-accused-me-of-insult" CreationDate="2016-05-31T12:50:55.713" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20935" PostId="8771" Score="4" Text="I don't recall site policy to 100K+ user usually, especially when another user ask for the same clarification as you asked, and that Michael friendly answer the other user first. What was your goal ? As for me the comment alone is not insulting, but when you check the comment's history, I can understand how someone seen it as insulting." CreationDate="2016-05-31T15:24:42.053" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20950" PostId="8771" Score="4" Text="`I think the moderator is abusing his power in order to defend his reputation, avoid admitting he's wrong, and is being emotional and reactive instead of patient and fair.`  This whole statement is such an exaggeration and very confrontational. Remember we're talking about deleting a comment most people here agree should have been deleted.  What is your addition to your question meant to accomplish?" CreationDate="2016-06-01T11:35:35.160" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="20951" PostId="8771" Score="1" Text="@Reaces I added context: what my comment was, what mod's response was, and demonstration of what I suggested in the original &quot;insulting&quot; comment, namely, adding one or two sentences to make his answer better. As you yourself have correctly suggested: maybe mods should sometimes refrain from acting on their own answers, especially when they feel emotional." CreationDate="2016-06-01T12:23:35.040" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20953" PostId="8771" Score="3" Text="@naktinis Can I refer you back to the second sentence of my first comment." CreationDate="2016-06-01T12:47:52.007" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20954" PostId="8771" Score="0" Text="@Iain &quot;Sometime saying nothing is the correct thing to do&quot;? Yes, I agree, maybe the moderator should have just deleted my comment without adding the description of his emotional state. I really thought I accidentally misspelled &quot;guidelines&quot; as &quot;dumbass&quot; and had no way to check." CreationDate="2016-06-01T13:03:17.997" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20955" PostId="8771" Score="1" Text="@naktinis Another mod answered you about the abuse complaint, your answer below is something to make a meta.se post about it, not there. What do you want more ? (as even Michael answer implie someone else will look upon the case)" CreationDate="2016-06-01T13:03:34.400" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20957" PostId="8771" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 I don't want anything more. I've asked a question and I've accepted Reaces answer. So it's done. Now I'm just answering to Iain request in comments under my question." CreationDate="2016-06-01T13:10:51.363" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="21148" PostId="8771" Score="3" Text="Crazy. Micheal quotes SF rules all the time, including that one, to others. But when faced with it himself, he's insulted and deletes the comment? You other mods should have had a sit down with him and stop defending him. Childish. Please don't delete my comment oh powerful overloards!" CreationDate="2016-08-18T01:34:32.647" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="20889" PostId="8772" Score="14" Text="In what way is that insulting? I just pointed to serverfault answer guidelines and asked you to add one or two sentences to your answer." CreationDate="2016-05-30T20:13:29.480" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20890" PostId="8772" Score="13" Text="Sorry Michael but in my opinion you screw up big time. There is not a single word that remotely sounds insulting to me. In my opinion you own that guy an apology." CreationDate="2016-05-30T20:27:24.300" UserId="296909" />
  <row Id="20891" PostId="8772" Score="1" Text="@naktinis And what exactly would you suggest be added? If there was something useful that _could_ be added, you could have just done so yourself." CreationDate="2016-05-30T20:32:16.233" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20892" PostId="8772" Score="5" Text="@PatrickHofman The comment itself was the insult. It was completely unnecessary and inappropriate. And I think you have who owes whom an apology exactly reversed." CreationDate="2016-05-30T20:33:40.383" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20893" PostId="8772" Score="12" Text="How was that insulting? You can argue about if it is useful to put in extra information from the link (I think it does), but still that doesn't make it an insult." CreationDate="2016-05-30T20:36:49.723" UserId="296909" />
  <row Id="20894" PostId="8772" Score="2" Text="@PatrickHofman It is when someone has already made that statement and had it answered." CreationDate="2016-05-30T20:39:23.487" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20895" PostId="8772" Score="8" Text="@MichaelHampton discussing the particulars of the answer in question is off-topic in this thread. Back to the topic, are you saying your definition of &quot;insulting&quot; is &quot;when someone has already made that statement and had it answered&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-05-30T20:43:13.180" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20908" PostId="8772" Score="8" Text="A short comment requesting that a &quot;one line, basically link only answer, which is also phrased as a question or request for clarification from the question asker&quot;, is standard. On most of the stacks I'm on, a mod would have flagged it with a message and converted it to a comment. But since you're a mod you escaped the usual actions. If you feel insulted, that's from thin skin. There was nothing patently insulting from his message." CreationDate="2016-05-30T22:07:42.657" UserId="329347" />
  <row Id="20909" PostId="8772" Score="5" Text="@cde: It's interesting that you are already the second person without *any* contribution on [SF] feels the need to chip in to this discussion." CreationDate="2016-05-30T22:13:35.463" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20910" PostId="8772" Score="5" Text="With @PatrickHofman being the first..." CreationDate="2016-05-30T22:14:10.953" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20912" PostId="8772" Score="9" Text="@sven it's interesting that moderator attacks on users is not limited to just server fault, and had it not happened it wouldn't have spread to meta.se and got everyone's attention." CreationDate="2016-05-30T22:20:04.847" UserId="329347" />
  <row Id="20925" PostId="8772" Score="2" Text="@Sven and anyone else:  cde and Patrick Hofman followed naktinis here from his meta.se post.  http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/279791/moderator-deleted-my-comment-on-his-answer-and-wrongfully-accused-me-of-insult" CreationDate="2016-05-31T12:58:04.560" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20926" PostId="8772" Score="2" Text="@KatherineVillyard: Yeah, I guessed at much. Still don't understand why they think they are in any position to weigh in here and throw around accusations and insults of their own (in cde's case). But this whole affair is already blown out of any proportion anyway..." CreationDate="2016-05-31T13:14:08.747" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20927" PostId="8772" Score="5" Text="@Sven People who know the Stack Exchange network are concerned about the way this has gone, that's why they're weighing in. You don't need to have spent many hours here to have an opinion on whether a single comment is insulting or not; no specific knowledge of SF is required for that really. If SE had intended that &quot;outsiders&quot; not be able to comment on this, then they wouldn't be able to. So it all seems pretty fair game for involvement to me. Mods should expect to have to explain their actions (I am one elsewhere so I feel qualified to say that), and they should be happy to do so to anybody!" CreationDate="2016-05-31T13:34:36.443" UserId="116631" />
  <row Id="20929" PostId="8772" Score="5" Text="@Clive: &quot;Outsiders&quot; are not in a position to decide if someone acts &quot;holier than thou&quot; or is &quot;fit for this position&quot; effectively based on a single comment. You need to have the complete picture and to get this picture, you need to know the community and be a relevant part of it. Well, at least that's the way I see it. Also, if you join any group in real life, you wouldn't expect that telling established members how they have to feel or how bad they behave at the first meeting would go over smoothly, and I don't see this is any different on an internet site." CreationDate="2016-05-31T13:55:55.257" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20930" PostId="8772" Score="2" Text="Ok @Sven, that's fair - those phrases aren't constructive, I agree. But &quot;outsiders&quot; _are_ in a position to have a valid opinion about whether that comment was insulting or not in the first place, and whether the mod acted appropriately. I feel you should let them voice that opinion without calling them out for not being regular members, as if that would make a difference to their ability to form that opinion (e.g. your comment to PatrickHofman, who used no evocative language as far as I can see). Just my two cents" CreationDate="2016-05-31T14:06:37.147" UserId="116631" />
  <row Id="20937" PostId="8772" Score="0" Text="@PatrickHofman He already answer another user about the short answer before the erased comment, and in a friendly manner. It wasn't enough ?" CreationDate="2016-05-31T16:17:39.253" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20901" PostId="8773" Score="1" Text="Your perception is not relevant here. Just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, it is up to the individual to decide if they are being insulted or not." CreationDate="2016-05-30T21:40:52.727" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20913" PostId="8773" Score="13" Text="@lain your comment is insulting then." CreationDate="2016-05-30T22:21:48.090" UserId="329347" />
  <row Id="20917" PostId="8773" Score="8" Text="@Iain, one way to avoid the situation in the future is: if a moderator is insulted by someone's comment on their answer, it's probably better to let another moderator handle it.  This is standard guidance for moderators: it's usually better not to moderate issues that arise on your own question/answer.  It's not a hard-and-fast rule -- especially when the case is clearcut -- but it's often helpful." CreationDate="2016-05-31T04:57:04.087" UserId="111679" />
  <row Id="20900" PostId="8774" Score="5" Text="Fair enough, I agree my comment could have been repetitive in the context, but how is my answer an insult? Why not call it a personal attack or racism or whatever else you like? We probably shouldn't discuss the question in detail here, but one thing that could be added is the fact that `nginx_ensite` etc. are not part of standard `nginx` packets (unlike `a2ensite` the question refers to which is part of `apache2`), but a 3rd party script – thus the confusion. If the github repo moves the mention of the command names becomes useless." CreationDate="2016-05-30T21:38:56.260" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20903" PostId="8774" Score="5" Text="As Iain already said, what people feel insulted by is up to them. I don't think it's worthwhile at  all to discuss the actual answer beyond establishing if it's a complete answer or not, and I think we (I?) have done this." CreationDate="2016-05-30T21:50:08.143" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20907" PostId="8774" Score="1" Text="Agreed, I don't see the original comment directed at Michael as an insult, but removing it was the right thing to do and the fact that it was Michael who removed it isn't a problem, there's no abuse of power." CreationDate="2016-05-30T21:57:12.337" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="20915" PostId="8774" Score="11" Text="The issue isn't a deleted comment, is the accusation that it was an insult, and the threat to not do it again." CreationDate="2016-05-30T22:51:10.423" UserId="329347" />
  <row Id="20918" PostId="8774" Score="3" Text="Sven, I'll share a different perspective (and I intend this with the best of intentions -- not trying to criticize).  I don't think it's accurate to say that Stack Exchange's policy is that anyone can call anything they want an insult -- anything goes.  Rather, there's a certain amount of judgement involved -- even if someone is personally insulted, moderators usually shouldn't remove a comment if they judge it's not actually insulting and it otherwise has value.  (cont.)" CreationDate="2016-05-31T05:00:05.790" UserId="111679" />
  <row Id="20919" PostId="8774" Score="4" Text="But, more importantly, if it's a moderator who feels insulted, it's usually better to let another moderator make the judgement call and handle it.  This isn't always necessary -- in clearcut cases or if you feel comfortable defending your action on meta, go ahead -- but when reasonable people can disagree, it's better to let another moderator handle it.  From that perspective, it sounds like this could have been better handled (with the benefit of hindsight), and your answer isn't acknowledging that." CreationDate="2016-05-31T05:01:37.093" UserId="111679" />
  <row Id="20920" PostId="8774" Score="5" Text="And, at the same time, it seems to me we should also recognize that this is extremely minor.  Where's the harm?  The harm is extremely minor.  For instance, suggestions that the moderators are out of control or have a holier-than-thou attitude seem over-the-top and unfounded; those kinds of statements aren't helping.  SF moderators work hard and have a huge workload, and we're all human -- we make mistakes.  But, at the same time... the first step to improving is to acknowledge the mistakes and reflect on how we can do better in the future.  Anyway, sharing an outside perspective, fwiw." CreationDate="2016-05-31T05:03:42.697" UserId="111679" />
  <row Id="20952" PostId="8776" Score="2" Text="I was hoping that maybe there is some &quot;dispute&quot; functionality for comments removed for seemingly weird reasons, using that would be easier and more appropriate than writing a meta post and starting long discussions :) I completely agree with the point about moderator asking another moderator to take a look (maybe the author should be able to do that once too)." CreationDate="2016-06-01T12:34:31.640" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20959" PostId="8776" Score="8" Text="@naktinis As has been said umpteen times already, comments are ephemeral. They hold no more value than the hairs that grow out of my grandfather's nose. They can be culled at any time, and are in no way an essential part of Server Fault. Honestly, this is much ado about nothing, and your best course of action is to forget about it at this point and move on (which it appears you've realized)." CreationDate="2016-06-01T14:48:12.777" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="20928" PostId="8777" Score="15" Text="How can we have a good, out-of-all-proportion flamefest when Katherine keeps coming along and pouring calm rationality on everything?" CreationDate="2016-05-31T13:42:25.400" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="20931" PostId="8777" Score="0" Text="Of course everyone can feel however they like, but as a moderator you have a responsibility to be patient and fair. I think the moderators decision in question was biased, reactive and poorly managed. Moderators don't have to be perfect, they have to be fit for their roles." CreationDate="2016-05-31T14:33:31.897" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20932" PostId="8777" Score="6" Text="Does a single comment and comment deletion render a moderator unfit for his role, or should there be more to it than that?" CreationDate="2016-05-31T14:35:49.150" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20933" PostId="8777" Score="0" Text="Probably not enough, but it needs to be brought up (and that's what I'm asking about in this meta question above). That's just one downvote for the moderator from me (if there's a registry in SE mod database). But, my question is not as much about firing a mod, but about disputing a particular content removal decision." CreationDate="2016-05-31T15:00:10.530" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20934" PostId="8777" Score="0" Text="What precisely are you wanting to happen from this? It's difficult to tell from your post.  What do you think is a proportional response to Michael saying he found your comment offensive and deleting it?" CreationDate="2016-05-31T15:05:52.527" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20936" PostId="8777" Score="4" Text="@KatherineVillyard I think having to read this entire asinine meta Q/A is easily punishment enough, if indeed anything wrong was done, which is still up for debate." CreationDate="2016-05-31T15:28:41.037" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="20943" PostId="8777" Score="0" Text="@KatherineVillyard I've elaborated on &quot;what precisely I'm wanting to happen&quot; in a separate answer." CreationDate="2016-05-31T16:56:06.850" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20947" PostId="8777" Score="2" Text="I don't think I've ever _not_ upvoted an answer of yours on meta, and apparently I'm not going to have to start." CreationDate="2016-06-01T06:43:37.987" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="20938" PostId="8778" Score="0" Text="People complain to SE about moderators all the time. I'm sure they have a bin to collect all the squitter in. Comments are ['ephemeral'](https://meta.stackexchange.com/search?tab=votes&amp;q=ephemeral) or ['second class'](https://meta.stackexchange.com/search?tab=votes&amp;q=comment%20second%20class) as such very little time has been wasted on them and their curation. Every single comment could be removed from the site and the site should be no worse off without them." CreationDate="2016-05-31T16:24:58.117" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20939" PostId="8778" Score="0" Text="@Iain Yes, I understand that, though (from experience in StackOverflow etc.) sometimes they can be essential and even contain important parts of answers. That's not the question though." CreationDate="2016-05-31T16:29:05.130" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20940" PostId="8778" Score="0" Text="It seems to be getting some downvotes, but I think this is a good answer to the questions. I really hope the downvotes are not from mods who act emotionally and feel personally insulted by my low point count in this meta site." CreationDate="2016-05-31T16:34:27.377" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20941" PostId="8778" Score="0" Text="According to [their profiles](https://meta.serverfault.com/users?tab=moderators) only one of the mods has been seen since you posted this 'answer' so I guess your hopes are not shattered." CreationDate="2016-05-31T16:39:31.293" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20942" PostId="8778" Score="0" Text="@Iain by mods I mean mods on all SE sites. Still no comment saying why this doesn't answer the question." CreationDate="2016-05-31T16:41:58.700" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20944" PostId="8778" Score="8" Text="I have quite a big problem with you now trying to frame the &quot;questions&quot; you brought up as general issues that SF or all of SE  face (speaking only for SF, I don't think we do). Your post was clearly not &quot;What can we do in general&quot;, but instead &quot;I was mistreated by this SF mod, how can I deal with him&quot;. It should be clear by now that the core of your accusation &quot;biased, unfair mod action and power abuse&quot; is unfounded, because your comment absolutely warranted the mod action. This should resolve your question." CreationDate="2016-05-31T21:23:32.323" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20945" PostId="8778" Score="6" Text="If you want to further discuss general mod issues, do this on [meta.se], but don't force this on us. And please leave us out of it in general - nothing has happened that requires you dragging anyone into the spotlight." CreationDate="2016-05-31T21:24:22.813" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="20946" PostId="8778" Score="2" Text="You were advised on meta.SE to discuss the *specific circumstances* of this dispute on our meta site, but as Sven has stated, your answer is re-framing this into the context of a SE-wide issue. You say that your question has not been tackled properly yet, while at the same time appearing to have a poor grasp of what the appropriate context for engagement *actually is*." CreationDate="2016-06-01T03:23:45.643" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="20948" PostId="8778" Score="0" Text="Fair, so should I repost this answer on the SE-wide meta question?" CreationDate="2016-06-01T09:16:48.140" UserId="351336" />
  <row Id="20961" PostId="8780" Score="4" Text="It's the only way to be sure!  http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/walkingdead/images/3/30/269209_kill-it-with-fire.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150421064045" CreationDate="2016-06-02T21:12:09.587" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="20963" PostId="8780" Score="3" Text="THIS is the only way to be sure: http://nukeitfromorbit.com." CreationDate="2016-06-05T14:49:34.623" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="20964" PostId="8783" Score="1" Text="I was thinking main company is stack exchange. Thanks for clear answer." CreationDate="2016-06-07T15:37:29.490" UserId="359401" />
  <row Id="20965" PostId="8784" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I've been dormant on SF for six months and I got two gold badges and some silvers out of the blue this week. Not sure what's up." CreationDate="2016-06-08T22:51:47.090" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="20966" PostId="8785" Score="0" Text="There is no x3 indication next to the Marshal badge on my profile. But it is still counted three times in the count of badges on my profile." CreationDate="2016-06-08T23:04:09.417" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="20968" PostId="8787" Score="0" Text="Make sense, I must admit I'm not a system administrator. But I was thinking that the scripts involved is more administration related rather than end-user? (I was trying to archiving service log files automatically with this script, like any sys admin will do, and how many end use will use this kind of script to move file?)" CreationDate="2016-06-13T11:02:56.823" UserId="58174" />
  <row Id="20969" PostId="8787" Score="1" Text="@Bolu The difference here is less in the activity, and more in the spirit and scope of the activity. As Sven said, it would probably fit here as well, it just fits slightly better in SU due to the context." CreationDate="2016-06-13T11:06:31.370" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="20970" PostId="8787" Score="0" Text="@Reaces, I see. If I add *I'm a system admin and was trying to automatically archive historical service log into another folder to free up spaces on the server* in the beginning of the question, will it fits slightly better here?" CreationDate="2016-06-13T11:14:42.597" UserId="58174" />
  <row Id="20971" PostId="8787" Score="0" Text="@Bolu Maybe, probably, but it is kind of irrelevant. For this kind of question you are equally likely to get an answer on SU or on ServerFault. In fact a lot of cross-over exists between the people that answer on SU and SF. So you might just get an answer from the same person on both sites." CreationDate="2016-06-13T11:16:41.473" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="20972" PostId="8787" Score="0" Text="@Reaces, that is my major concern. Many thanks!" CreationDate="2016-06-13T11:19:26.447" UserId="58174" />
  <row Id="20973" PostId="8791" Score="7" Text="Why not just go and downvote a bad answer and not waste everyone here's time ?" CreationDate="2016-06-19T16:07:30.497" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="20974" PostId="8791" Score="8" Text="No one should be afraid of [Emperor Nero](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast#Nero) in this day and age." CreationDate="2016-06-19T16:47:22.747" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20978" PostId="8791" Score="1" Text="You can ask to get suspended too, your reputation will be show as *1*" CreationDate="2016-06-21T16:13:10.837" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="20976" PostId="8792" Score="0" Text="And he also needs to hope that nobody downvotes one of his questions and answers, then upvotes another of his questions..." CreationDate="2016-06-20T07:58:59.340" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="20975" PostId="8793" Score="3" Text="Alas, no. If I were petty and vindictive, downvoting would *clearly* not be what I did." CreationDate="2016-06-20T06:18:16.980" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="20977" PostId="8793" Score="0" Text="@JourneymanGeek hence the edit and correction from my earlier assumption :)" CreationDate="2016-06-20T10:06:59.963" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="20979" PostId="8794" Score="6" Text="In addition to the answers, professionals tend to know what svchost is, and rather than asking questions about why a system process is behaving normally, are irritated by such questions." CreationDate="2016-06-24T20:36:03.247" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="20994" PostId="8796" Score="1" Text="&quot;That's crap. I want my system to use all resources it has if it can use them in a beneficiary way. &quot; if only that could be said more often." CreationDate="2016-07-01T18:18:01.203" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="20986" PostId="8803" Score="12" Text="I wouldn't migrate a dupe to SO. They have so many posts incoming that they'll never notice it's a duplicate of anything." CreationDate="2016-06-30T14:23:11.873" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="20990" PostId="8803" Score="1" Text="*&quot; Adding a comment to the to-be-migrated question linking to the original (so people on the destination site can easily close-as-dupe when it gets there)&quot;* won't work because comments that include a URL on the target site get stripped from the question upon migration" CreationDate="2016-07-01T05:09:22.047" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="20992" PostId="8803" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton got a good point. We should not create duplicates on SO. IMHO it would be best to delete the question which was posted later. But that would only work if SO acts the same way." CreationDate="2016-07-01T10:54:59.647" UserId="255678" />
  <row Id="20995" PostId="8803" Score="0" Text="I think most of the questions where there is a dupe on SO are off topic.  If the OP put it there it likely falls more in line with SO anyway" CreationDate="2016-07-01T18:21:19.030" UserId="3528" />
  <row Id="21026" PostId="8806" Score="0" Text="Best etiquette is to disclose the bug to the author/vendor, and give them time to fix it before releasing it publicly. Otherwise, everyone who doesn't read your post might be vulnerable to anyone who does." CreationDate="2016-07-08T00:20:50.990" UserId="85654" />
  <row Id="21036" PostId="8806" Score="0" Text="Better still would be, if the update is seriously buggy in a way that risks [breaking things](https://xkcd.com/1172/) for some nontrivial number of people (which is probably why the vendor is working on a fix for the update in the first place), for the vendor to simply **pull the update** while working on a fix." CreationDate="2016-07-12T13:04:21.660" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="21005" PostId="8807" Score="0" Text="I believe this could be formulated as question/answer. And serious software bugs will create many on-topic questions here (as the users will post questions about situations caused by the bug). &#xA;In this case software authors have withdrawn the affected release (so there is much lesser need for sharing this info)." CreationDate="2016-07-03T18:35:33.360" UserId="91626" />
  <row Id="21011" PostId="8807" Score="0" Text="I haven't used the chat rooms much and don't know how often they are used, but maybe that could be a fitting place to announce defects and vulnerabilities." CreationDate="2016-07-05T13:09:21.643" UserId="49571" />
  <row Id="21012" PostId="8807" Score="0" Text="+1 for not allowing announcements as stand-alone items. There are indeed other and better channels for that. Having said that quite a few security incidents  (get a cute name, their own vanity domains and associated websites and) result in relevant on-topic Q&amp;A's anyhow as people struggle with work-arounds and mitigating measures I.e. [BEAST](http://serverfault.com/search?q=BEAST) , [heartbleed](http://serverfault.com/search?q=HEARTBLEED) , poodle etc." CreationDate="2016-07-05T21:08:58.733" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21006" PostId="8808" Score="1" Text="Same they do for http://askubuntu.com" CreationDate="2016-07-03T19:23:00.893" UserId="356823" />
  <row Id="21007" PostId="8808" Score="0" Text="@Videonauth Yeah, sorry, I missed that at first. I thought they copy mainly Server Fault stuff because they even state that on their front page." CreationDate="2016-07-03T19:24:05.947" UserId="340066" />
  <row Id="21008" PostId="8808" Score="3" Text="As it seems to affect more sites than only Server Fault, should this question maybe better be migrated to the *big* Meta?" CreationDate="2016-07-03T19:25:04.907" UserId="340066" />
  <row Id="21009" PostId="8808" Score="0" Text="I know it only because i found an Q&amp;A of mine today on their site http://www.enmimaquinafunciona.com/pregunta/40074/como-puedo-rebajar-gedit-a-una-anterior-3104-la-version-en-ubuntu-1604-lts" CreationDate="2016-07-03T19:25:14.137" UserId="356823" />
  <row Id="21014" PostId="8809" Score="1" Text="In some jurisdictions it makes a difference what the intent of the publication is. If the intent is to aid administrators protecting themselves, then publication would be legal. But if the intent is to aid attackers in breaking in, then the publication would be illegal. And that would be the case even if the actual published information about the vulnerability might be the same in both cases." CreationDate="2016-07-06T21:02:00.233" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="21035" PostId="8813" Score="1" Text="Note that OP is talking about $random_crappy_piece_of_software having been updated in a way such that it now has a bug making it $random_crappier_piece_of_software, and the user or administrator can keep it being just &quot;crappy&quot; instead of &quot;crappier&quot; by not installing that particular update." CreationDate="2016-07-12T13:03:09.183" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="21013" PostId="8814" Score="1" Text="Thanks. Will keep your close reason by hand, as we can manually specify's one. As other close reason we got there are used more frequently I think, and the list of close reason is limited from what I heard." CreationDate="2016-07-06T12:57:33.197" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21015" PostId="8815" Score="1" Text="Apparently [a moderator failed to pick up on the fact that the answer was actually a thank-you answer to cheng bo](https://serverfault.com/posts/694768/revisions) and instead removed the thanks and left the answer so it looked plagiarized. And someone *else* edited the answer to add a completely new statement after *that*." CreationDate="2016-07-04T05:51:07.020" UserId="46258" />
  <row Id="21016" PostId="8815" Score="0" Text="@Pang + Quill, Ah yes! I forgot I was coming from Server Fault. Should this question be flagged to have it moved?" CreationDate="2016-07-04T05:53:26.253" UserId="209953" />
  <row Id="21017" PostId="8815" Score="0" Text="@BoltClock You can see the post scores `0 down vote`, he should've just upvoted instead of plagiarised" CreationDate="2016-07-04T05:53:52.537" UserId="332933" />
  <row Id="21018" PostId="8815" Score="2" Text="@Quill: Why are you telling me this?" CreationDate="2016-07-04T05:54:11.930" UserId="46258" />
  <row Id="21019" PostId="8815" Score="0" Text="@BoltClock, I see! Yes, that explains it very well. Checking the history was the smart thing to do..." CreationDate="2016-07-04T05:55:03.527" UserId="209953" />
  <row Id="21020" PostId="8815" Score="0" Text="Now Cheng Bo has two up votes :D justice prevails when he gets more up votes" CreationDate="2016-07-04T05:56:22.237" UserId="209953" />
  <row Id="21021" PostId="8815" Score="1" Text="Someone taked care of it, that answer now seem deleted. A 10K user could confirm it." CreationDate="2016-07-07T15:02:49.433" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21022" PostId="8815" Score="1" Text="I think it's because I flagged it. I also flagged this question and it was moved from StackOverflow meta... Everything seems ok now :D" CreationDate="2016-07-07T15:06:43.320" UserId="209953" />
  <row Id="21023" PostId="8816" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I eventually mustered courage to flag it after the comments here. Thannks, good job. Now it feels better" CreationDate="2016-07-07T15:16:22.563" UserId="209953" />
  <row Id="21025" PostId="8817" Score="1" Text="I agree with Sven as a bounty is not a excuse to treat a question differently. Personally in that case I'm not sure I would had v-t-c for dupe. As it's not my server is X, what value to put there, but I would had surely v-t-c as &quot;Questions without a clear problem statement &quot;. In all cases it would had finished as Sven's told (flag &amp; bounty reimbursement) I think for any bad questions." CreationDate="2016-07-07T19:22:23.897" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21024" PostId="8819" Score="1" Text="Thanks HBruijn for sharing your experience and clarifying the root cause." CreationDate="2016-07-07T16:34:53.730" UserId="209953" />
  <row Id="21038" PostId="8824" Score="1" Text="&quot;many, many times&quot;? You've asked five questions on SF. Two of them you deleted yourself, one of them was closed as off-topic (too broad) and auto-deleted, one of them is still open, and the fifth is linked above." CreationDate="2016-07-12T20:51:04.810" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21039" PostId="8824" Score="0" Text="With many times I refer to the entirety of Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2016-07-12T20:51:47.287" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21040" PostId="8824" Score="7" Text="That should perhaps be taken as a clue that you're not asking great questions, or that the questions you *are* asking aren't on-topic for whatever site you're posting on." CreationDate="2016-07-12T20:53:05.497" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21041" PostId="8824" Score="0" Text="Yeah, totally. Who am I to ask server related questions on ServerFault? This is a site for scratching each other's backs, not asking questions!" CreationDate="2016-07-12T20:54:12.877" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21042" PostId="8824" Score="0" Text="I mean, you aren't even allowed to criticize a moderator. Look what happens. Buried with downvotes. Soon this will be closed and I will be banned. The circle is closed. :)" CreationDate="2016-07-12T20:55:16.353" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21044" PostId="8824" Score="1" Text="@Yeats: [SF] is a site by professionals for professionals. You are expected to write good, topical questions and investigate before posting and even after in order to understand an answer. If you are not willing to do this, you are wrong here." CreationDate="2016-07-12T20:56:13.103" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21045" PostId="8824" Score="0" Text="@Sven So it's not a site where you're allowed to ask server related questions? How strange that my simple question was too hard for one of your moderators then." CreationDate="2016-07-12T20:57:09.847" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21050" PostId="8824" Score="6" Text="@Yeats: Again, this is a site for professionals and you are absolutely required to ask professional questions and behave in a professional way. Just &quot;server related&quot; is not nearly enough to participate here. And your question wasn't &quot;too hard&quot;, it was just badly written and you are unable or unwilling to professionally process the answer given to you." CreationDate="2016-07-12T20:59:44.260" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21058" PostId="8824" Score="0" Text="@Sven Okay buddy. Oh, it says moderator when I click your name. How surprising!" CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:03:05.610" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21076" PostId="8824" Score="0" Text="http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_TCPIPDomainNameSystemDNS.htm" CreationDate="2016-07-13T05:33:26.273" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21078" PostId="8824" Score="4" Text="`... why Stack Exchange has turned into pure shit?` Because for too long allowing people to ask shit questions was tolerated ... google ... the rest is history and an amazon sized river of crappy questions from people like yourself." CreationDate="2016-07-13T09:12:20.440" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21079" PostId="8824" Score="1" Text="Moderators are elected by the community and do a job that the majority of people do not want to do, so if you have issues with the ServerFault moderator team (or, in fact, any other site moderators) raise it on Meta.StackExchange. Then, if you're still not happy, try and contact StackExchange directly via the contact link, although I suspect they will take a dim view of petty squabbles." CreationDate="2016-07-13T10:01:40.150" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="21080" PostId="8824" Score="0" Text="@tombull89 I thought I did raise it on Meta.StackExchange..." CreationDate="2016-07-13T10:53:56.027" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21081" PostId="8824" Score="0" Text="@Yeats not that I can see - this is Meta.ServerFault, for ServerFault issues. If you're not happy you can take it up to the next level, to Meta.StackExchange." CreationDate="2016-07-13T15:52:42.317" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="21115" PostId="8824" Score="1" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it seems to be more of a passionate release than an thoughtful exchange of information.  Interesting reading however." CreationDate="2016-07-28T00:41:34.350" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="21122" PostId="8824" Score="0" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is a useless rant even worse than the original question. A well meaning question about why a question was closed is welcome on meta, but this is not." CreationDate="2016-07-30T22:13:55.773" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="21037" PostId="8825" Score="0" Text="You forget to mention that YOU were abusive and condescending, and that I merely followed suit with ONE off-handed remark. My question wasn't put on hold because &quot;not enough details were provided&quot;, but because you couldn't answer it." CreationDate="2016-07-12T20:50:30.767" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21046" PostId="8825" Score="0" Text="If you honestly feel I was abusive, use the below contact link to contact SE staff. They can see the deleted comments, and can contact me if they deem appropriate." CreationDate="2016-07-12T20:57:41.590" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21047" PostId="8825" Score="1" Text="LOL! What's the point? Look what happens when I try to reach out. You can't fight corruption by asking the corrupt to change." CreationDate="2016-07-12T20:58:25.773" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21048" PostId="8825" Score="2" Text="@Yeats That's the sort of abusive behavior that got you into this mess in the first place. Stop it immediately. You will not get another warning." CreationDate="2016-07-12T20:58:52.070" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21049" PostId="8825" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Ah. What behavior, exactly? What am I getting a warning for? :)" CreationDate="2016-07-12T20:59:26.310" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21051" PostId="8825" Score="1" Text="@Yeats Do not even think about trolling me again." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:00:14.200" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21055" PostId="8825" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton Trolling to ask what I'm getting a warning for? I see where this is going..." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:01:30.727" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21097" PostId="8825" Score="3" Text="As a DNS professional, I am in agreement with EEAA. By ignoring multiple requests to name the `CNAME` records (in these comments and the original question), you have demonstrated that you are far more invested in attempting to publicly roast moderators who may have misunderstood your presentation of the problem than actually getting it solved. People cannot admit fault if you won't give them enough information to do so, and you are far too belligerent to have any form of meaningful interaction with. (as evidenced by [this comment](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/8824/#comment21071_8826))" CreationDate="2016-07-15T18:14:23.813" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="21123" PostId="8825" Score="0" Text="I find it slightly problematic that as the question stands now it appears locked but with no evidence left showing that locking was the correct action. And in the current state of the question it isn't possible for the community to show its agreement or disagreement with the closure." CreationDate="2016-07-30T22:26:50.977" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="21124" PostId="8825" Score="3" Text="@kasperd The question was locked due to abusive comments by the OP. The question should remain closed as the OP refused to provide sufficient details on his situation so that the question could be answered." CreationDate="2016-07-30T23:39:11.443" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21125" PostId="8825" Score="1" Text="I've unlocked the original QA, but it will remain closed." CreationDate="2016-07-30T23:39:59.947" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21052" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="Ah, so I'm not allowed to ask questions to which I don't already have the answer. Gotcha. And no, he didn't explain it." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:00:19.517" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21053" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="How surprising that a moderator sticks up for another moderator and abuse their power together!" CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:01:09.647" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21054" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="@Yeats Oh, but he did. He said: &quot;No, your CNAME is not the reason you can't use MX records. Your www.example.com CNAME can happily co-exist with MX records for sub.example.com pointing to whatever mailservers you want.&quot; You don't appear to have acknowledged this at all." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:01:14.177" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21056" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="@Yeats There's been absolutely no abuse of power here. The only abuse has been _from you_." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:01:48.210" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21057" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="At which point I asked him why I needed a subdomain if that was the case. To which he never answered." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:02:33.323" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21059" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="@Yeats You don't need a subdomain. The domain example.com itself can have an MX record (and this is the usual setup)." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:04:05.847" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21060" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="But his answer claims I do need a subdomain. Which is why we had a back and forth in the first place. But suddenly I'm the stupid one for asking why I need a subdomain if CNAME and MX can co-exist..." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:06:16.127" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21061" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="@Yeats CNAME and MX cannot coexist. The same name cannot have a CNAME record and any other record." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:07:33.987" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21062" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="Wow. You literally said they can co-exist." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:09:23.170" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21063" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="@Yeats As I said, you have a fundamental misunderstanding. That is not only not what I said, it's not true." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:09:58.170" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21064" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="Okay. This is beginning to look like another conversation I just had. First you literally say CNAME and MX can co-exist. Then I ask why I need a subdomain if that's the case. Then you say they can't co-exist. Why don't you just ban me, that is clearly your goal here." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:11:12.430" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21065" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="Why do you think I said CNAME and MX can coexist? I literally cannot find this anywhere." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:11:57.930" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21066" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="Maybe because you literally said they could? Quote: &quot;No, your CNAME is not the reason you can't use MX records.&quot; (Not you, but you quoted it.) Your quote: &quot;You don't need a subdomain. The domain example.com itself can have an MX record (and this is the usual setup).&quot;" CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:13:01.453" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21067" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="Also: &quot;Your www.example.com CNAME can happily co-exist with MX records&quot;" CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:13:30.410" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21068" PostId="8826" Score="3" Text="@Yeats Right. The domain example.com can have an MX record, and most domains do. If it has an MX record, though, it cannot have a CNAME. But some other name can have a CNAME. Just because example.com has an MX record, doesn't affect www.example.com (which is a completely different name!). And you took that quote out of context; read the rest of the sentence." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:14:35.600" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21069" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="Okay. So remind me again why it's not the CNAME record's &quot;fault&quot; that I can't have an MX record? And also, remind me why I need to create a subdomain for my MX record?" CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:15:22.137" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21070" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="@Yeats Exactly what CNAME records do you have?" CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:17:23.300" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21071" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="Ah, avoiding the question because you know you're gonna look bad if you answer it and contradict earlier statements. Nice one." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:18:00.010" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21072" PostId="8826" Score="3" Text="@Yeats Here I am trying to help you, and you start up attacking me again? Why am I bothering?" CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:18:38.807" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21073" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="Because you want to defend your moderator buddy and you want me to say something rude so you can ban me." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:19:41.267" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21074" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="@Yeats You already said something rude; I could have suspended you right then. But I was serious about trying to help you understand your DNS issue. All I got from you was hostility. Just as you did to EEAA. Again, the only abuse in this whole situation originated with you. I'm done trying to help you." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:23:17.503" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21075" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="When did I say something rude? You are trying to rile me up by claiming two different things all the time. You simply can't admit that EEAA was wrong, and that you are. I DON'T need to create a subdomain for my MX records. MX records and CNAME *can't* co-exist. You. Are. Wrong." CreationDate="2016-07-12T21:25:24.000" UserId="300103" />
  <row Id="21077" PostId="8826" Score="5" Text="@Yeats He is trying to tell you that you can have records with different names, and don't need to create a subdomain for an MX record, you just need to use a name that is not currently used for a CNAME. The reason he says your top should have the MX record, is because usually you don't CNAME your top record, you put an A record there and your MX record. (take my comment with a grain of salt, I don't use DNS in my daily work and my last experience with it was 5 years ago)" CreationDate="2016-07-13T08:25:36.840" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21098" PostId="8826" Score="0" Text="@Reaces Correct, but s/you don't CNAME your top/you can't CNAME your top/." CreationDate="2016-07-15T18:32:43.987" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="22510" PostId="8826" Score="1" Text="Late to the game here, but in case @Yeats and Michael are still around... I just stumbled onto this Q&amp;A, and I must say that at first glance it appears that Yeats has an excellent point. I was confused just like Yeats. It wasn't until I re-read things carefully more than once that it started to make sense. Michael, with all due respect, the technical explanation you started to give was confusing at first, and it did start to look like you were contradicting yourself. It took a more careful read to realize that you were not contradicting yourself. As such, it is somewhat disingenuous to...(1/2)" CreationDate="2018-09-26T20:46:29.540" UserId="84673" />
  <row Id="22511" PostId="8826" Score="1" Text="(2/2)... to suggest that you cannot see where you ever said they can co-exist, and likewise to act like Yeats' confusion cannot be understood. **However**, that does not mean that I am defending Yeats' actions. @Yeats your frustration is understood, but you have responded very poorly. I won't agree nor disagree about your view that they are baiting you, but regardless of what their intentions are you have not handled the situation as well as you should have. Even if everything you said were true, your best response would be to respond calm and respectful to what you perceive as harassment." CreationDate="2018-09-26T20:50:28.070" UserId="84673" />
  <row Id="21096" PostId="8828" Score="0" Text="IIRC An exact copy (cut and paste with no embellishments) automagically raises a flag." CreationDate="2016-07-15T05:52:12.460" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21100" PostId="8828" Score="2" Text="@Iain - I have experienced the same inconsistent handling. Although the &quot;new&quot; answer is never an exact &quot;copy and paste&quot; if the predicate answer, the one's I flag never have any actual content beyond the cross-referenced first answer. Often, they are just abbreviated versions. Out of some frustration, I have just started ignoring them rather than bothering to flag, although IMHO they tend to clutter the site and make the answer &quot;set&quot; less clear." CreationDate="2016-07-18T23:33:49.173" UserId="256540" />
  <row Id="21091" PostId="8829" Score="0" Text="So if a user rewrites another answer, even mentioning that other answer in his rewrite, then I should just down-vote it? I agree that similar but slightly differently worded answers deserve to exist. But if you reference another answer and then write your step by step of executing the answer. That seems a bit redundant. I might be slightly miss-remembering the answers as I don't have 10k rep :)" CreationDate="2016-07-14T14:05:01.177" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21092" PostId="8829" Score="1" Text="I guess if it's really only an obvious rewrite without any additional benefit, I might treat it as a copy, but in this case, the user added a bit of it's own value to the problem by detailing the steps he did a bit more than the other answer.  Deleting this would appear much to harsh to me. To quote: `After trying to import the organization (state: pending) we changed the login name to the english one within mssql management studio unter Organization_mscrm -&gt; security -&gt; users, deleted the organization from deployment and reimported it successfully.`" CreationDate="2016-07-14T14:16:35.087" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21102" PostId="8832" Score="4" Text="The problem with downvoting a correct (but copied) answer is that it can suggest that the answer is _not_ correct (without reference to the original answer), which is confusing to the reader. A comment should be mandatory in this instance." CreationDate="2016-07-21T12:07:16.543" UserId="49157" />
  <row Id="21099" PostId="8834" Score="2" Text="In doubth let us know your question, as on meta we can help to find the correct place for it." CreationDate="2016-07-18T22:57:08.763" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21129" PostId="8835" Score="0" Text="Any idea which would be the best suited site if the question is asked by somebody wanting to develop software speaking that protocol?" CreationDate="2016-08-02T22:21:41.970" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="21104" PostId="8839" Score="0" Text="Five (not necessarily tagged, but with it in the question text) in the last 24 hours, with maybe one every two weeks prior to that." CreationDate="2016-07-27T14:48:41.473" UserId="584" />
  <row Id="21105" PostId="8839" Score="0" Text="Ultimately, though, I'm not asking for a blanket ban, but I'm asking if it's generally legitimate to say &quot;this is cPanel-style stuff, close&quot; when someone comes around asking for help with Bitnami appliances." CreationDate="2016-07-27T14:56:24.033" UserId="584" />
  <row Id="21106" PostId="8839" Score="0" Text="My search seems to be acting differently from yours as I get only [3 questions](http://serverfault.com/search?tab=newest&amp;q=is%3aquestion%20bitnami) over the last month... Odd. - Although the arguments against bitnami as a one-click installer may be similar to those we use against control panels, that existing default close reason may be confusing to the OP without clarification. You can VtC with a custom reason instead as well" CreationDate="2016-07-27T15:27:48.873" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21107" PostId="8839" Score="2" Text="OK, I'll plan to use the cPanel reason with a clarifying comment." CreationDate="2016-07-27T15:29:44.750" UserId="584" />
  <row Id="21108" PostId="8839" Score="2" Text="Agreed. IMHO bitnami questions don't have a place here." CreationDate="2016-07-27T15:57:15.047" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21136" PostId="8839" Score="1" Text="And do AWS questions have a place here?" CreationDate="2016-08-05T01:37:11.300" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21137" PostId="8839" Score="0" Text="@RyanBabchishin: Yes, many AWS questions are on topic." CreationDate="2016-08-05T05:22:43.037" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21112" PostId="8840" Score="1" Text="Works for me! Thanks." CreationDate="2016-07-27T17:00:21.907" UserId="584" />
  <row Id="21113" PostId="8840" Score="1" Text="Even when they get [upvoted](http://serverfault.com/q/792230/126632) and on the hot list? :) I noticed that you read that one, but didn't touch it." CreationDate="2016-07-27T20:04:55.860" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21114" PostId="8840" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton Hah, touché. I read it before I fully internalized my feelings on the issue. :)" CreationDate="2016-07-27T20:39:33.203" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21120" PostId="8840" Score="4" Text="While I totally agree with Bitnami being off-topic I'm not sure that `Bitnami encourages non-standard deployment methodologies` is a good and systematic reason. Who decides what is a standard? Feels a bit arbitrarily. And when SF decides to label a technology as `non-standard` that might have an impact on the chances of a technology to become a new standard. I mean most technologies are kind of non-standard in an early phase." CreationDate="2016-07-29T18:07:52.510" UserId="255678" />
  <row Id="21126" PostId="8840" Score="0" Text="@knowhy I think the point of differentiation for me is &quot;does it leave its server owners ignorant of the system's configuration?&quot; If it assists you in putting together a config, that's one thing, but the one-click stuff is typically negative on a long-term maintenance standpoint." CreationDate="2016-07-31T23:09:04.383" UserId="584" />
  <row Id="21127" PostId="8840" Score="2" Text="@ceejayoz But that applies to many systems. To me it seems like many people are using systems like `docker`. `vagrant`, `puppetforge` or `ansible-galaxy` (just to name a few) with the idea that the could avoid to understand how things work." CreationDate="2016-08-01T06:39:42.223" UserId="255678" />
  <row Id="21128" PostId="8840" Score="0" Text="@knowhy I'd still argue each of those are significantly more transparent to someone who wants to dig into the config. Looking at https://bitnami.com/stack/wordpress as an example, I can't see any obvious way to even figure out what web server the stack you'd be installing includes. `ansible-galaxy` is a bunch of pointers to Github projects with readable `.yml` files - Bitnami is an index of installers." CreationDate="2016-08-01T12:54:21.200" UserId="584" />
  <row Id="21117" PostId="8842" Score="12" Text="[so] has a long standing bad habit of upvoting and answering good questions that belong here. ... And of trying to send questions here that don't belong or are utter crap. I gave up trying to understand this." CreationDate="2016-07-29T09:18:56.757" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21119" PostId="8843" Score="0" Text="As OP I now agree that flagging own question for migration is better than cross-posting (which I only did once so far)." CreationDate="2016-07-29T17:09:13.633" UserId="155139" />
  <row Id="21121" PostId="8844" Score="11" Text="Thank you, @gf_.  &lt;3" CreationDate="2016-07-30T02:53:35.827" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="21130" PostId="8846" Score="3" Text="I think the question there is about two answer on the same question (not two same answer on two different question). (thus a merge is impossible there)  :)" CreationDate="2016-08-04T12:51:02.737" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21131" PostId="8846" Score="0" Text="Two identical answers by different users on the same question? No I think that's not the case here. We're talking about an earlier answer to a different question that was found via google and copied. I think that if this unmodified answer is correct, then new question should be merged with an earlier one - maybe by adding section to the original question, which includes alternative variants of this question, which were added later by other users..." CreationDate="2016-08-04T13:19:23.483" UserId="306348" />
  <row Id="21132" PostId="8846" Score="1" Text="To quote the question: &quot;Then I see an answer in the late answers queue, I check if the answer already exists.&#xA;If the answer has been directly copied word for word from another answer **on the same question** ....&quot;" CreationDate="2016-08-04T13:32:57.877" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21133" PostId="8846" Score="0" Text="Why would anyone do that? I'm really lost here..." CreationDate="2016-08-04T13:49:49.060" UserId="306348" />
  <row Id="21134" PostId="8846" Score="0" Text="To gain point :|  As the 'review' queue only show one answer, not all. So it can be easy for someone to be tricked to upvote an answer that way. (review queue there if you want to see; http://serverfault.com/review/late-answers)" CreationDate="2016-08-04T14:01:30.357" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21135" PostId="8846" Score="2" Text="Like those points mean anything ;) I never saw more than 20-25 questions in review queue and it seems very unlikely to me that you can gain even 100 points with that technique, since I (as any author) would be a bit curious why anyone would copy my answer. The only reasonable explanation is that the double answer was made by a single man from two accounts (f.e. first time he posted he thought there was an error, so he registered second time and posted it again)" CreationDate="2016-08-04T14:12:41.047" UserId="306348" />
  <row Id="21138" PostId="8848" Score="1" Text="Alternatively: if there are a couple of up-votes on this answer, I or another moderator can also take care of that." CreationDate="2016-08-07T09:40:05.810" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21139" PostId="8848" Score="3" Text="[tag:datastax-enterprise] is a product and [tag:datastax] is a company, couldn't the latter be dropped as I doubt people ask questions about a company but rather a product. Or at least I'd make the other way around you suggested on the anwser: make [tag:datastax] is synonym of [tag:datastax-enterprise]." CreationDate="2016-08-07T09:49:23.483" UserId="73003" />
  <row Id="21140" PostId="8848" Score="1" Text="I'm up for that! And edited the question accordingly" CreationDate="2016-08-07T09:50:46.357" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21142" PostId="8849" Score="3" Text="The web site itself warned you to _not_ post that non-answer, before you posted it. Where did you see advice to do otherwise?" CreationDate="2016-08-17T22:53:54.190" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21143" PostId="8849" Score="0" Text="I feel like I'm receiving conflicting instructions, and I'm asking for clarification so I can know how to do the correct thing. I'm asking a simple and respectful and sincere question. It should be straightfoward enough to answer it. Instead, you're asking me a nasty rhetorical question. Why is there all this hostility? I'm genuinely confused as to why my first two interactions on this site have been so uncharitable." CreationDate="2016-08-17T23:00:07.280" UserId="370906" />
  <row Id="21144" PostId="8849" Score="0" Text="To clarify: The site and Sven have told me what *not* to do. But nowhere have I found out what I *should* do instead. I'm confused, and I genuinely want to know what I should do, so that I can do it. Is it a crime to ask for help?" CreationDate="2016-08-17T23:01:58.297" UserId="370906" />
  <row Id="21145" PostId="8849" Score="2" Text="I'm aware that you seem to be getting conflicting advice. I'm trying to figure out where it's coming from. The web site should have warned you in a pop-up to _not_ post a comment or a question as an answer. It's not a problem to ask for help, nor is any hostility intended." CreationDate="2016-08-17T23:02:27.970" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21146" PostId="8849" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification - easy to misread text, I guess. The popup did come up, yes. But at the same time, on the 'Ask Question' page, it makes it very clear that we should attempt to search for and research our problem first, because someone else may have already had the same issue, and that it's important to show that we've put in some effort to research the issue ourselves before posting here. That's what I was trying to do when I followed up with that poster: Seek clarity on the existing query, which may have been resolved (but not updated), before posting a duplicate of my own." CreationDate="2016-08-17T23:05:19.297" UserId="370906" />
  <row Id="21147" PostId="8849" Score="0" Text="Aha, now I think I understand. I'll attempt to answer this question." CreationDate="2016-08-17T23:06:25.100" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21206" PostId="8855" Score="0" Text="Thanks HBruijn. I'm an avid greasemonkey / tampermonkey user and that script combined with your canned answer looks about a perfect solution." CreationDate="2016-08-25T18:04:51.330" UserId="90351" />
  <row Id="21170" PostId="8856" Score="4" Text="Possible duplicate: http://meta.serverfault.com/q/8416/37681" CreationDate="2016-08-20T15:52:55.007" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21171" PostId="8856" Score="0" Text="Thanks @HBruijn there is good information in there." CreationDate="2016-08-20T16:16:05.240" UserId="355102" />
  <row Id="21172" PostId="8857" Score="0" Text="wow 4min until the question was moved from serverfault to meta, even if i described why i ask it on serverfault. how can this question be answered by the right people when is moved here?" CreationDate="2016-08-20T20:15:55.360" UserId="71452" />
  <row Id="21173" PostId="8857" Score="14" Text="Regardless of what you would like to see, meta **is** the part of the site where users discuss the workings and policies of Server Fault rather than discussing server, networking, or related infrastructure administration itself. Your question is off topic on the main site." CreationDate="2016-08-20T20:20:54.007" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21174" PostId="8857" Score="3" Text="The close reason used to close your question leads directly to a post on meta [How can I ask better questions on ServerFault](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3608/how-can-i-ask-better-questions-on-server-fault), in what regard did that not provide an answer to the question you ask above?" CreationDate="2016-08-20T20:43:01.293" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21175" PostId="8857" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn `No one who needs to ever reads anything...` - Q.E.D. ( I wonder ...)" CreationDate="2016-08-20T20:46:02.763" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21177" PostId="8857" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn i read it, but i has not helped me. i tried to add the missing information. had not helped. the answer from @ lain is much more helpful, if it is a requirement to put more effort in find a solution to the problem and then ask the question with more exact problem descriptions." CreationDate="2016-08-20T20:58:55.540" UserId="71452" />
  <row Id="21178" PostId="8857" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn but why this aggressive downvoting? i received another downvote on my old question (i assume from you), why downvote a already downvoted and closed question. this is exaclty what i mean with my question here. be a little be more kind, this motivates user to write better questions and be helpful. not bash on someone who is already on the floor." CreationDate="2016-08-20T21:05:24.770" UserId="71452" />
  <row Id="21180" PostId="8857" Score="4" Text="@c33s `but why this aggressive downvoting? i received another downvote on my old question` You brought attention to it by posting this.  Bring attention to a good post, it gets more upvotes.  Bring attention to a bad post, it gets more downvotes. In that your question can be interpreted as a request to do free work for you (write me a script that does [foo]), it's not surprising in the least that it would get downvoted heavily.  The community really doesn't like that kind of question/request." CreationDate="2016-08-20T21:08:14.387" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="21184" PostId="8857" Score="2" Text="Downvotes, on Meta, signify disagreement. If you've ever used the Stack Overflow meta during your time as a very happy Stack Overflow user you should be aware of that." CreationDate="2016-08-22T13:21:38.363" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="21176" PostId="8858" Score="0" Text="thanks for the answer. hoping more to come. &quot;higher standards&quot; would really explain it. maybe a reason for closing should bewould be added &quot;not enough effort&quot;. i think your text answer text should be in the info text. @meta i read the text you are quoting, this is the reason why i explained why i posted in on sf anyway." CreationDate="2016-08-20T20:55:38.027" UserId="71452" />
  <row Id="21181" PostId="8858" Score="0" Text="Anything that requires that someone reads something is pretty much write only," CreationDate="2016-08-20T21:29:15.577" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21182" PostId="8858" Score="3" Text="As this site is targeting professional administration in a business environment, you should know what information is relevant or not to include.  I will down vote and vote to close any question that doesn't bother.  I disagree that it should be worded 'not enough effort' because thats pretty much what the close message you got already said.  I can't speak to your individual post (deleted now) so I don't recall why I voted for this one.  Usually it's because the question looks like someone followed a tutorial then posted a question here when it didn't work.  Ask whoever wrote the tutorial." CreationDate="2016-08-20T23:13:59.123" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="21183" PostId="8861" Score="0" Text="This is an excellent list of possible problems with questions, good stuff!" CreationDate="2016-08-21T05:06:17.713" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="21185" PostId="8864" Score="1" Text="What could we do about it anyway? 2k users don't need a review for their edits, and others are motivated by the free rep points they get for changing `teh` to `the`..." CreationDate="2016-08-24T13:39:27.273" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21205" PostId="8864" Score="1" Text="It's *always* bowb the front page week..." CreationDate="2016-08-24T23:55:26.937" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="21204" PostId="8865" Score="8" Text="I have used all four of your 'under the RADAR' examples on more than one occasion IRL. Being direct is not at odds with being nice." CreationDate="2016-08-24T20:15:25.213" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21207" PostId="8865" Score="2" Text="I am a fairly new contributor to Server Fault and I agree entirely with your point of view - some comments/answers on the site can seem very terse. As someone who tries to be as understanding and patient as possible in my professional life, I too find myself slipping into easy cynicism and impatience when answering or commenting on questions on this site. I don't know if it's just because of the volume of low effort &quot;cash-grab&quot; questions that I see, however, I do, and will continue to, make an effort to behave online in the same manner as I would offline. It's nice to be nice I guess.." CreationDate="2016-08-25T21:37:44.507" UserId="355102" />
  <row Id="21238" PostId="8865" Score="0" Text="@lain No it's not at odds, I agree. You can do both at the same time. You can be polite and nice and considerate and direct and even firm and other things all at the same time. I call it being professional and a kind person. It's how I am with my son as a father as well, even when he's difficult to deal with (like a user?)." CreationDate="2016-08-27T13:34:53.317" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21250" PostId="8865" Score="3" Text="Here's a thought.  Have you tried practicing what you're preaching? Find yourself some clueless posters and politely/nicely explain the situation to them.  Do that for a while, on a regular basis, and see if you still have the same concerns in a month (or if the experience has changed you into a bitter, jaded husk)." CreationDate="2016-08-27T19:56:15.153" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="21255" PostId="8865" Score="1" Text="A side note, if we compare globally on all the stackexchange's familiy, there I consider it really friendly, as like on ME for exemple I used to bring an idea for a site feature, and you have no idea how much downvote and negative feedback I got in less than 4 hours." CreationDate="2016-08-29T18:34:02.383" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21300" PostId="8866" Score="1" Text="A checkbox &quot;minor edit only, do not bump to front page&quot; would be helpful. It would encourage to correct spelling and punctuation errors, but not not pollute the front page with 2 year old questions that are already answered (where you have to hunt for the new timestamp)." CreationDate="2016-09-06T07:04:45.073" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21186" PostId="8867" Score="0" Text="I'm interpreting this as a no. Right? What about the &quot;Be Nice&quot; page? Should we change it? Calling things turds and telling people to go read poetry? LARTing people?" CreationDate="2016-08-24T15:29:40.547" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21187" PostId="8867" Score="0" Text="@RyanBabchishin I'am not a native english, and I agree with HBruijin, as often I tend to cut the lenght of my sentence to not make typo, but I may appear really direct, while in fact I just dont want to write 10 typo in my sentence." CreationDate="2016-08-24T15:33:08.847" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21188" PostId="8867" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 I'm not talking about being direct... nothing wrong with that." CreationDate="2016-08-24T15:34:02.793" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21189" PostId="8867" Score="0" Text="FYI, there is no right or wrong. This is an open question to all users. I want to know what people think. If everyone is happy to ignore the rules that SF has defined, then so be it. I'm just asking. :)" CreationDate="2016-08-24T15:37:33.200" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21190" PostId="8867" Score="0" Text="@RyanBabchishin Yeah, but it can be seen as impolite, and often the answer I get are. So, it's tied to the be polite argument IMO." CreationDate="2016-08-24T15:37:37.830" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21191" PostId="8867" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 I don't understand. Do you mean people reply back to you impolitely?" CreationDate="2016-08-24T15:38:53.767" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21192" PostId="8867" Score="2" Text="The reactions that appear to concern you are seldom found in answers.  I see them primarily in comments, which are designed to be short, allow little formatting and can only be revised for 5 minutes. Among others their [intended purpose](http://serverfault.com/help/privileges/comment) is for *&quot;**constructive criticism** that guides the author&quot;* where the constructive sometimes *appears* to fall to the wayside in the abruptness of the short remark, IMHO" CreationDate="2016-08-24T15:45:24.183" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21194" PostId="8867" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn Yes almost always comments. Those were just examples... there's way more out there... I just thought of a few off the top of my head." CreationDate="2016-08-24T15:49:26.190" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21193" PostId="8868" Score="0" Text="I was really using polite and nice interchangeably. And I'm not suggesting new rules, I'm referring to the existing rules. Are you saying you disagree with the existing rules or this is how you interpret them? Would you actually talk to someone like that at work?" CreationDate="2016-08-24T15:47:47.270" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21195" PostId="8868" Score="1" Text="@RyanBabchishin Yes, you need to be direct if you are professional. One of my co-worker accepted a project even if another co-worker told him to not accept it (a big rdp farm). He told him to continue alone, because it's scrap what he was dooing there and it would not work. Guess what, 6 months later the customer wanted to kill him and the guy lost is job." CreationDate="2016-08-24T15:55:27.850" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21196" PostId="8868" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 I've been there. I've had to argue with my boss over things, even a CTO on occasion. They don't always take it well (a good boss will listen/debate), but it's necessary (for me) as a professional to be honest and do what's right. I don't need to be rude to do that though." CreationDate="2016-08-24T16:05:14.320" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21197" PostId="8868" Score="2" Text="@RyanBabchishin Direct != Rude. As when I flag such comment that are rude moderator do a great job to moderate them in short time! Last comment I flagged got dealed with in less than 2 minutes." CreationDate="2016-08-24T16:07:24.113" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21198" PostId="8868" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 Yes, I understand direct != rude" CreationDate="2016-08-24T16:08:02.277" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21199" PostId="8868" Score="2" Text="@RyanBabchishin I'm saying (among other things) that &quot;nice&quot; and &quot;polite&quot; are not synonyms.  I realize you're using them interchangeably - that's part of the problem.  (And yes, I would talk to a co-worker that way, if I had occasion to.  In fact, I've actually said &quot;you don't know what the fuck you're doing, step away from the computer&quot; to coworkers before.)" CreationDate="2016-08-24T16:10:30.810" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="21200" PostId="8868" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Hahaha. So what do we do? Nothing... forget I brought it up? Leave that Be Nice page alone? Is it nice to say &quot;you don't know what the fuck you're doing&quot; to someone at work? Really, I don't care... I'm asking... I'd love a consensus. I'd love that page to say that you can expect to be told off under certain circumstances with foul language when the situation warrants. Can we do that?" CreationDate="2016-08-24T16:20:17.970" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21201" PostId="8868" Score="1" Text="@RyanBabchishin The be nice thing is a network-wide policy, not ServerFault specific, so we have no ability to do anything about it.  My personal feelings about it (which are not complementary) are irrelevant, as are yours and basically everyone else's.  It's imposed by SE and isn't going to change.  As it is, they get frequent complaints from worthless wastes of skin about SF being mean for down voting, closing or otherwise not bending over backwards for some particular PoS &quot;question&quot; or another." CreationDate="2016-08-24T16:30:47.140" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="21202" PostId="8868" Score="6" Text="While I share the &quot;direct != rude&quot; view, I also firmly believe that describing anyone as &quot;worthless waste of skin&quot; over some less-then-ideal interactions on a website is far beyond unacceptable. Essentially, you deny people their humanity and in the end, their right to live because they asked a stupid question and complained afterwards? You can't be serious,  I hope." CreationDate="2016-08-24T17:47:46.723" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21203" PostId="8868" Score="0" Text="@Sven That seriously minimizes the criteria I have for categorizing someone as a worthless waste of skin, and I'm pretty sure that neither someone's humanity nor right to life is not defined by whether or not they are worthy of their epidermal layer, but it shouldn't be a surprise to you that a cynical misanthrope such as myself would seriously hold a cynical, misanthropic point of view like this." CreationDate="2016-08-24T18:01:58.197" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="21236" PostId="8868" Score="0" Text="direct != rude, direct != nice... ye, we all know that. How about polite and nice while being direct (and firm I think sometimes)? Is that still too difficult?" CreationDate="2016-08-27T13:30:57.530" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21239" PostId="8868" Score="0" Text="@RyanBabchishin I don't think you've made a case for things being impolite or not nice." CreationDate="2016-08-27T16:59:05.737" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21240" PostId="8868" Score="0" Text="@lain A few people have openly admitted to having little respect for the stuff on the &quot;Be Nice&quot; page. I could quote... but you can read. You saw the comment about the waste of skin, and LART, the use of foul language, etc... if you think these are all kind and polite things, so be it. But that's your opinion is not shared by everyone, even in this discussion." CreationDate="2016-08-27T17:08:12.743" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21241" PostId="8868" Score="0" Text="&quot;Lets all be polite and professional, what do you think?&quot; -&gt; DOWN VOTE, COMPLAIN, ARGUE, ATTACK. This has been a very interesting discussion... Enlightening in fact. Thank you everyone!" CreationDate="2016-08-27T17:17:26.823" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21242" PostId="8868" Score="1" Text="@RyanBabchishin No one is advocating that posters be called out as worthless wastes of skin  or bludgeoned with heavy objects.  However, you have not made a case for your assertion that it's not nice to tell someone they're hopelessly out of their depth and just making thing worse." CreationDate="2016-08-27T17:20:48.833" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="21243" PostId="8868" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b I really don't need to make a case. This is just a discussion. This is an absolutely subjective issue. Perhaps, as I said in my post it's a cultural difference. Care to call me a crazy Canadian yet? Or maybe it's Ontario? Or Ottawa? Maybe my family? I personally think that statement is rude and wouldn't say that to a customer or co-worker... perhaps jokingly to a friend. I'd try hard to refrain from saying that to someone online and if I did, I'd feel I'd been impolite. I could get fired if my boss overheard me say something like that under the right circumstances." CreationDate="2016-08-27T17:27:13.870" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21244" PostId="8868" Score="2" Text="@RyanBabchishin I'm Canadian, so... so much for that theory." CreationDate="2016-08-27T17:34:10.643" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="21245" PostId="8868" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b Maybe a family issue :) JK" CreationDate="2016-08-27T17:48:15.547" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21246" PostId="8868" Score="4" Text="@RyanBabchishin Downvotes on meta indicate disagreement.  People are free to think what they want. So it's ok for someone to think 'waste of skin' but it's **not** OK for them to say that directly to someone - it would quite rightly be flagged into oblivion. I don't see any argument or attacks here either. Oh and I don't see anyone openly disagreeing with bee nice either." CreationDate="2016-08-27T18:34:11.590" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21247" PostId="8868" Score="0" Text="@RyanBabchishin This `How about polite and nice while being direct (and firm I think sometimes)? Is that still too difficult?` suggests to me that you feel you have made the case for not nice/polite" CreationDate="2016-08-27T18:44:27.860" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21248" PostId="8868" Score="0" Text="@lain This `This How about polite and nice while being direct (and firm I think sometimes)? Is that still too difficult? suggests to me that you feel you have made the case for not nice/polite` suggests to me that you'd rather argue with me, than discuss this issue as a community." CreationDate="2016-08-27T19:33:06.343" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21249" PostId="8868" Score="3" Text="@RyanBabchishin You are clearly not listening. You have not made the case for not polite. Until you do, there is clearly no need to change." CreationDate="2016-08-27T19:50:12.637" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21208" PostId="8871" Score="4" Text="I would consider it off-topic, because no matter the amount of effort you put into it, it's still looking for a product recommendation, just disguised with different words.  If the only answers to a question are the names of products, you're looking for a product recommendation no matter how you phrase it.  Also, I don't see why your level of effort into researching matters here one bit.  Lastly, *this* question is entirely off-topic.  This is what meta is for." CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:16:24.783" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="21209" PostId="8871" Score="0" Text="Ooops!  (And other words.)  Sorry.  I thought I *was* on meta.  I did click the meta button!" CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:17:29.503" UserId="138052" />
  <row Id="21210" PostId="8871" Score="1" Text="But I'm not.  &quot;Are there any...&quot; is not the same as &quot;Can you recommend...&quot;  As I keep saying, I have googled and no products come up, so my question is binary or I'm misunderstanding something.  Like, is Diameter administrated only through configuration, maybe?" CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:20:41.217" UserId="138052" />
  <row Id="21211" PostId="8871" Score="0" Text="FWIW, there's a dedicated Stack site for software recommendations: [Software Recommendations](http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/tour). I am not a member of that community, so I would strongly recommend their tour to ascertain your question belongs there." CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:22:20.203" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="21212" PostId="8871" Score="5" Text="Something to think about: if you've really spent as much time as you have researching and implementing this, and you haven't managed to discover even **how one is supposed to admin the thing**, perhaps you put the cart a few miles before the horse? There's a really good reason that radius is still in **very** heavy usage." CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:22:31.143" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21213" PostId="8871" Score="1" Text="Right, you're trying to play word games to skirt rules.  The rules are guidelines.  If you're trying to get just past the line to qualify, you're probably off-topic.  'Are there any?' is an entirely useless question as 'Yes' or 'no' are not going to be helpful.  It's simply rephrasing to achieve the same result.  I don't care what words are used, if you're looking for someone to name off products as the answer, you're off-topic." CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:24:12.303" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="21214" PostId="8871" Score="1" Text="@EEAA, yes, and that's why I'm asking the question.  My question also contains &quot;is everyone choosing not to use it for a reason?&quot;  (Again, non-specific) It's been 13 years since its creation and 4 years since the last revision.  I find it hard to believe that people would be avoiding it without reasoning." CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:24:30.280" UserId="138052" />
  <row Id="21215" PostId="8871" Score="0" Text="@yoonix, no attempt to skirt the rules here.  I just can't understand why there's so little information (or questions) on a supposedly-well-used 13-year-old protocol." CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:25:52.887" UserId="138052" />
  <row Id="21216" PostId="8871" Score="0" Text="I meant the skirt the rules only in regards to 'are there any..' vs 'can you recommend..'.  Not the original question." CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:26:38.640" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="21217" PostId="8871" Score="1" Text="@tudor Reasons: 1) little if any utility above the incumbent technologies 2) ...leading to lack of adoption 3) ...leading to stagnated development 4) ...leading to lack of useful information. This thing happens all of the time with projects." CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:30:03.053" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21218" PostId="8871" Score="1" Text="@EEAA, fair enough.  Thanks.  Now why can't that be an answer?  At least that way I wouldn't have been made to feel stupid, alone, and misunderstood.  &quot;Some technologies (although marketed as successors or 'better' fail to gain traction for whatever reason.  So there may not be the tool you describe.  Maybe you can build it, but the people who use RADIUS appear not to see a significant need to migrate to this technology, resulting in a lack of tools.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:31:35.087" UserId="138052" />
  <row Id="21219" PostId="8871" Score="0" Text="IMO, it's a good answer that should be on the web somewhere, but I don't see how it's relevant to serverfault.  It's related to the our field of work, absolutely but it's totally unrelated to what sort of content I expect to see on serverfault which is trying to solve technical problems.  This doesn't." CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:34:14.683" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="21220" PostId="8871" Score="1" Text="Ok,  Thanks everyone for the clarification/validation. :-D  As an aside, the technical problem I have is a generalised flexible security model which RADIUS doesn't offer, so I saw it as appropriate here, but I must be misunderstanding where that boundary is, too." CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:36:34.577" UserId="138052" />
  <row Id="21221" PostId="8871" Score="1" Text="I agree that it's not easy for some people to understand what that boundary is simply by reading the rules.  IMO, if you haven't chosen what software you're using yet and taken a stab at implementing it, it's not appropriate here.  Your question is one of the rarer ones where research has actually happened (if unsuccessfully).   I guess I don't see where the confusion is.  If you have a problem and are looking for what tool to use to solve it.. It's off-topic.  If you were configuring a tool that uses diameter and had issues, that would probably be on topic." CreationDate="2016-08-26T02:27:28.573" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="21251" PostId="8871" Score="1" Text="Are there any UI's...? Could in some cases be answered with: `Yes, it comes with one if you download the source distribution and look under the contrib directory. It's not packaged in the binary distribution.`. Or `Yes, but just the CLI. They intentionally didn't implement a GUI or anything due to issue xxx, see doc xxx explaining the reasoning. Oh, you didn't know there was a CLI? It's used like so:... or documented here...`." CreationDate="2016-08-28T15:02:09.123" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21312" PostId="8871" Score="0" Text="I spent 20 minutes and found LOTS of Diameter implementations with full GUI management. Here is [just](http://www.amdocs.com/Products/network-control/Documents/SC_datasheet_FINAL.pdf) [a](http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/cloud-systems-management/prime-access-registrar/q-and-a-c67-730452.html) [few](https://f5.com/products/service-provider-products/signaling-delivery-controller) [examples](http://www.elitecore.com/telecompractices/elitedsc-diameter-signaling-controller-overview.html). Maybe you need to upgrade your googling skills or something..." CreationDate="2016-09-14T18:18:44.847" UserId="306348" />
  <row Id="21314" PostId="8871" Score="0" Text="@Anubioz Thanks.  I *really* appreciate the effort.  I keep a log of my google results and it appears that the results that appear now are different to when the question was raised, so thanks for pointing that out. :-)" CreationDate="2016-09-15T01:28:12.400" UserId="138052" />
  <row Id="21223" PostId="8872" Score="0" Text="Thanks for posting this, I came back wanting to add two cents and see you left a dollar.  The only comments I'd like to add on my personal thought process:  I feel the quality of the content on serverfault has been degrading continuously for awhile now.  When I vote to close I'm annoyed that I felt there was a need yet again. Basically, 'I barely care enough to even participate anymore' is the attitude I have by the time I'm responding to someone asking why.  I do however appreciate the fact that you asked it here (eventually.. I kid!) and womble's response which I agree with." CreationDate="2016-08-26T06:00:58.300" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="21224" PostId="8872" Score="0" Text="This is mostly my view as well, although I've to admit that I first read the question as straight product recommendation - it's really very rare that people ask &quot;Does a product doing X exists&quot; without at least implicitly asking to name the product as well." CreationDate="2016-08-26T09:28:42.810" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21225" PostId="8872" Score="0" Text="Yeah, the *very* clear subtext to &quot;Does X exist?&quot; is &quot;... and what is it?&quot;, hence why I would have slammed the linked question shut as a shopping question, too.  I wanted to highlight the problems with the *literal* question too, though, because there was a hint of &quot;but I wasn't asking for a product recommendation, just whether it existed!&quot; in some of the earlier comments, and I wanted to demonstrate why the literal question wasn't a good one, either." CreationDate="2016-08-26T09:53:23.093" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="21226" PostId="8872" Score="0" Text="A .2c, we could try to move more often to http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com by maybe adding it to our v-t-c for migration. (but we would need to remove another site from that list as it's full)" CreationDate="2016-08-26T13:07:10.167" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21227" PostId="8872" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555: No, I wouldn't like this. I also largely tend to ignore the existence of that site as this leads to an inconsistent application of the &quot;no shopping&quot; rule." CreationDate="2016-08-26T13:10:54.837" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21228" PostId="8872" Score="0" Text="@Sven not a bad point, and too, while thinking to it, to do a software recommendation for a home user for a product is something, but for an enterprise it's something else. (as it would be more professional to direct the user to a consultant)" CreationDate="2016-08-26T13:22:01.180" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21252" PostId="8872" Score="0" Text="I came back to respond to the first dot point, but I also see that @ryan-babchishin has pointed this out, too.  Just because an answer is binary, that doesn't mean it evades an explanation.  The first point is misleading because, as you point out, the system *wouldn't let you answer that way*, and I already knew that I wouldn't get just a &quot;yes&quot; or &quot;no&quot;, but an explanation that would be helpful." CreationDate="2016-08-29T03:12:21.243" UserId="138052" />
  <row Id="21253" PostId="8872" Score="0" Text="Re: The second dot point, I maintain I didn't ask the question that way because that was not what I was interested in.  It was the apparent lack of information that was bizarre and I felt that was a valid question.  In all reasonableness, I felt I has missed something and honestly expected an answer like &quot;Yes, but Diameter, because it's doing something very clever, has chosen not to call them APIs, UIs or CLIs, but &quot;*Purple Fuzzy Unicorns*&quot; to emphasise that they're not working with a traditional security model.  You'll need a PFU editor to interact with it this way.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-08-29T03:21:40.427" UserId="138052" />
  <row Id="21254" PostId="8872" Score="1" Text="You should ask the question you want an answer to.  Asking a different question and then getting confused that you didn't get an answer for the question you didn't ask seems... unproductive." CreationDate="2016-08-29T04:06:58.473" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="21313" PostId="8872" Score="0" Text="@womble I'm sorry that you see it that way. I believe that some people think I was asking a different question than what is actually written, since the only explanation here appears to be rewriting my question so that it doesn't fit the criteria." CreationDate="2016-09-15T01:19:36.283" UserId="138052" />
  <row Id="21315" PostId="8872" Score="0" Text="Some people think you're asking a different question so as to give you the benefit of the doubt and not immediately close it by virtue of being unanswerable.  If by &quot;rewriting my question so that it doesn't fit the criteria&quot;, you're referring to the criteria for closure, yes, if you want your question not to be closed, you should rewrite it so that it doesn't fit the criteria for closure.  If you think people are misinterpreting your question, rewrite it so it isn't ambiguous!" CreationDate="2016-09-15T01:46:17.200" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="21316" PostId="8872" Score="0" Text="@womble I still believe that the question *as asked* is within the criteria, and the &quot;benefit of the doubt&quot; reinterpretation is what leans towards the unacceptable question and have repeatedly stated that's *not what I asked*. I've already accepted this answer because of the peer pressure that's clearly resulted, and I now have an answer to my original question in the comments above. I can see that we're not going to agree on this, so let's just leave it at that, please." CreationDate="2016-09-15T02:20:07.460" UserId="138052" />
  <row Id="21229" PostId="8873" Score="6" Text="Nice works both ways. I consider it not nice/impolite for people to ask questions without having done any personal research." CreationDate="2016-08-27T09:58:15.193" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21230" PostId="8873" Score="1" Text="Anyway it's not worth getting all het up about. SF is long past being in any way anything more than a place for the completely clueless to ask crappy questions." CreationDate="2016-08-27T10:00:46.417" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21231" PostId="8873" Score="0" Text="Nah, nothing to get bothered by.  More like.. 'I hear ya, and I won't say you're wrong... But I can't say I care.'" CreationDate="2016-08-27T10:02:13.703" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="21232" PostId="8873" Score="0" Text="Nay, nay and thrice nay old chap. You need to hear what I'm saying and not disagree with me but ... ;)" CreationDate="2016-08-27T10:07:07.177" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21233" PostId="8873" Score="0" Text="I hear you I'm just pretending you're wrong for a little while longer.  I have a long history of staying where I don't want to be because I'm still gonna change the world.  Keep the dream alive my friend." CreationDate="2016-08-27T10:11:21.497" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="21235" PostId="8873" Score="0" Text="@yoonix It sounds like that answer was something you wanted to say... liberating? Perhaps it is worth discussing if not just so that people like you can say what you have to say?" CreationDate="2016-08-27T13:28:21.983" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21237" PostId="8873" Score="0" Text="I feel that I've been biting my tongue months trying to be nice as I possibly can while not feeling like this place as nothing but volunteer work.  You're right.  It does feel quite liberating to simply admit it.  I'm not really here for therapy though.  Technology and lame insults are my thing.  :/ I didn't intend to sound combative or dismissive and I'm glad you didn't take it that way." CreationDate="2016-08-27T13:34:26.910" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="21921" PostId="8873" Score="0" Text="Mainly I agree you, but I think the site would need a clearly communicated vision for that. A possible vision is to create an &quot;elite community&quot; of sysadms, with high step-in requirements and with a strong quality control. Another way would be to produce a not so elite, but big, friendly, and not very LQ site. There are many examples for both on the SE, and also for the sites who are simply unable to decide. Imho in all of the cases it would be very important to treat the offtopic content, from cooperative OPs as nicely as it is only possible (i.e. by migrating them)." CreationDate="2017-04-18T03:54:25.010" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="21922" PostId="8873" Score="1" Text="Btw, I think the Unix SE and the Askubuntu would be probably very glad to get a large part of the rejected questions here, maybe a cross-site cooperation could help a lot for everybody." CreationDate="2017-04-18T03:59:51.693" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="22068" PostId="8873" Score="0" Text="Seems like you are trying to urinate against the wind but there is not enough urine anymore. This site shows up as the first entry in the Google search results and there **are** and there always **will be** newbies. If you don't like it you can take your stuff and go...just as you stated in your profile. Good riddance I say. The age of BOFHs is over and you are a dying breed. The need for administrators is in decline as well thanks to the devops mindset. Seems like this problem is solving itself at last." CreationDate="2017-07-07T10:46:55.533" UserId="59539" />
  <row Id="22069" PostId="8873" Score="0" Text="As long as devops continues to be used as an excuse to justify poor / rash technical decisions there will always be work available for those that actually make the effort to understand the systems they support." CreationDate="2017-07-07T15:54:02.237" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="21256" PostId="8874" Score="5" Text="The question you link to was not put on hold by any of the [moderators](http://serverfault.com/users?tab=moderators) (rogue or otherwise) but by 5 different community members..." CreationDate="2016-08-30T05:03:57.040" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21257" PostId="8874" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn, Regardless, whomever they are, there was still no justifiable reason for putting my question on hold. Re-read it and tell me if you can find one, but I personally cannot." CreationDate="2016-08-30T13:15:29.777" UserId="318029" />
  <row Id="21258" PostId="8874" Score="0" Text="You guys can downvote my comment all you like, but I objectively have a valid point that needs to be addressed if you want to be the slightest bit inclusive to newcomers, as Tim said." CreationDate="2016-08-30T13:30:37.037" UserId="318029" />
  <row Id="21259" PostId="8874" Score="0" Text="Glad to see I'm not alone in my opinion here, far from it actually: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6701/server-fault-needs-professional-quality-questions-not-just-questions-from-profe?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1" CreationDate="2016-08-30T14:45:20.920" UserId="318029" />
  <row Id="21260" PostId="8874" Score="2" Text="Despite the fact that UI on Meta offers the same explanation as the main site when your mouse hovers over the up and down buttons, on meta votes don't impact your reputation. Down votes should be seen as disagreement to a statement. -|- My background is mainly Linux and Unix and although the question you link does not make my eyes bleed from bad formatting or numerous typo's  I also can't determine if it is interesting and worthwhile. My  only objective observation is: 1 person found it interesting enough to answer, 5 others decided to cast close votes rather than ignoring it." CreationDate="2016-08-30T14:49:52.393" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21261" PostId="8874" Score="2" Text="Thanks, @HBruijn. I think you stated the issue exactly (at least for my question, in particular): **&quot;..found it interesting.&quot;** This is ridiculously subjective criteria for a question! I am a SysAdmin for a business with on-premise Exchange, so Exchange interests me. However, I have little-to-no BSD experience, so a question you post about UNIX may not interest me in the slightest. Does that mean it's invalid or unworthy of SF? Of course not!" CreationDate="2016-08-30T14:58:58.410" UserId="318029" />
  <row Id="21262" PostId="8874" Score="2" Text="*interesting enough to **answer***" CreationDate="2016-08-30T15:46:32.723" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21265" PostId="8874" Score="1" Text="Still too subjective. Power/ego-trip on this site is rampant (I don't mean you, just in general). SF needs to adapt or it will die. Spiceworks is already taking over, from what I'm seeing." CreationDate="2016-08-30T16:46:49.083" UserId="318029" />
  <row Id="21304" PostId="8876" Score="11" Text="So you can be a jerk to other users and not look bad :)" CreationDate="2016-09-09T06:56:56.937" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21306" PostId="8876" Score="2" Text="That's a reason **not** to conceal your real name so you're not tempted to be a jerk and **NOT** own it. If someone wants to be a jerk, I have much more respect for them if they don't do it with an online alter ego. I've known mild mannered people who's online alter egos were total assholes. Be an asshole. Own it." CreationDate="2016-09-11T19:57:30.747" UserId="355693" />
  <row Id="21318" PostId="8876" Score="0" Text="@NeilAnuskiewicz: LOL &quot;own it&quot;.  So true." CreationDate="2016-09-18T21:44:43.163" UserId="20701" />
  <row Id="21319" PostId="8876" Score="0" Text="The best content still stays the best content without any identity (a registered nickname is an identity as well) associated, but you need to check it. A nickname adds the possiblity to build some reputation, not only like the point system, but even like &quot;he helped me several times with python problems, so i may trust more without doubting&quot;, but a real name does not add any more trust, except you met me in real life without knowing my pseudonym. So you may or may not choose to use your real name and can still build some reputation. Full anonymity has the potential to eliminate discrimination." CreationDate="2016-09-25T22:35:25.060" UserId="93182" />
  <row Id="21271" PostId="8878" Score="0" Text="Dennis Nolte - Good points, all. Thank you. Privacy is a sound reason. I generally figure it's best to put oneself out there even if some questions get a -1 on Server Fault. :-)&#xA;&#xA;I'm not super concerned with privacy. Security, yes! Privacy? I'm not super concerned. Should I be? Barring the worse case of a prospective employer seeing a server fault FAIL and tossing your resume! :-)" CreationDate="2016-09-01T14:22:37.513" UserId="355693" />
  <row Id="21272" PostId="8878" Score="4" Text="Neil the downvote on meta is usually disagreeing with the question you asked, only on the site a downvote should show a bad question (basically)" CreationDate="2016-09-01T14:25:59.913" UserId="157970" />
  <row Id="21274" PostId="8878" Score="0" Text="@NeilAnuskiewicz if you are one of the person who got &quot;nothing to hide&quot; with privacy, please educate yourself what people already can do with the data you have.&#xA;&quot;Only&quot; not getting a job is quite low on the possibility." CreationDate="2016-09-01T14:27:45.563" UserId="157970" />
  <row Id="21276" PostId="8878" Score="0" Text="Dennis Nolte - I am not one of those people who leaves their FB profile wide open or something like that as I do realize there are edges where privacy and security overlap. I use a password manager, don't use the same password on multiple sites, and other basic security measures.&#xA;&#xA;I think that's the point you're making is that privacy has security implications, right? I figure I mitigate the risk by being on top of things in other ways. The keyword is mitigate. I realize I'm increasing my exposure by using my real name but I *think* it's a marginal increase..." CreationDate="2016-09-01T14:33:39.550" UserId="355693" />
  <row Id="21285" PostId="8878" Score="2" Text="It is also possible that someone else impersonates you in order to make you look bad. Usually, it is &quot;first come, first served&quot; regarding name choices, so if you are not the first one, someone else can use &quot;your&quot; name to be rude, answer questions in a false way or display incompetence on purpose." CreationDate="2016-09-05T15:25:16.760" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21308" PostId="8878" Score="0" Text="Dennis Nolte - Would an employer really hold it against you that you were asking questions on Stack? Even if you slipped occasionally and asked a stupid question, I wouldn't think they'd hold Stack questions against you. Well, unless it was a pattern of really stupid questions with little sign of improvement over time. That wouldn't be good.&#xA;&#xA;But I would think reasonable, earnest questions would be a good thing. I would think a potential boss would be relieved you were aware of Stack. Here I'm assuming an enlightened employer. Obviously that's far from a given!" CreationDate="2016-09-12T06:38:03.227" UserId="355693" />
  <row Id="21309" PostId="8878" Score="1" Text="@NeilAnuskiewicz actually yes.. &#xA;HR drones often might not understand if a questions was good written or not. If you think someone is taking hours to analyse if you are a good or not: in my opinion and experience this is not happening. You get sorted automatically as much as possible.&#xA;Additionally depending on the person one might get in an argument what is on-topic, disagree with a mod decision etc.." CreationDate="2016-09-12T10:59:04.727" UserId="157970" />
  <row Id="21310" PostId="8878" Score="1" Text="@NeilAnuskiewicz Using your real name doesn't matter so much if there's many or hundreds or thousands or 10's of thousands of people with the same name as you. How about you? I got screwed in that regard." CreationDate="2016-09-14T13:02:52.683" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21311" PostId="8878" Score="1" Text="LOL. I've yet to meet another Neil Anuskiewicz and it'd scare the shit out of me if I did. I'd think Doppelganger! Run. Run." CreationDate="2016-09-14T13:19:21.903" UserId="355693" />
  <row Id="21277" PostId="8879" Score="1" Text="HBruijn - Thank you." CreationDate="2016-09-01T14:40:42.397" UserId="355693" />
  <row Id="21284" PostId="8879" Score="8" Text="To add on this excellent answer, you can always choose later on to use your account in this way (rename to your real name, or log in when asked to by the new company as proof, or just use the nickname and explain it), but the reverse is not true. Once your real name is out there, it stays out there - especially with permissive licenses like the one used on this site (anyone can mirror/copy the answers)." CreationDate="2016-09-05T15:22:01.427" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21280" PostId="8881" Score="8" Text="From my perspective most of the questions we see are at entry/beginner level and below." CreationDate="2016-09-02T20:02:27.510" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21281" PostId="8881" Score="3" Text="I don't see how it's easier / faster to tag a question you can instantly answer as &quot;beginner level&quot; than just... answering or duplicate voting it. So what's the incentive for the people with higher rep? Moderating for moderation's sake tends to burn people out." CreationDate="2016-09-02T20:29:33.197" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21283" PostId="8881" Score="2" Text="Another issue is that you will have question askers mis-tagging a question's difficulty and/or taking offence at tags others apply, because they (obviously) found the question difficult enough that they needed to ask for help with it. I think for most people, it would be impossible to realistically judge the difficulty level of a question you don't actually know the answer to." CreationDate="2016-09-05T07:19:38.160" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="21305" PostId="8881" Score="2" Text="I see most of serverfaults audience as people who are too lazy to read even the first few pages of program documentation. Most of the answers are straight there in the FAQs. For some reason they prefer to spend an hour creating question here, instead of googling for 30 minutes. While answering here is pure fun to me, I'm not really sure it's helpful for people - *giving a person who wrote the accepted answer* an option to assign a difficultily class does seem an interesting idea - maybe it will help people to spend a little more time trying to solve it themselves before creating thread here." CreationDate="2016-09-10T16:05:19.070" UserId="306348" />
  <row Id="21282" PostId="8882" Score="1" Text="Ill do that Sven. Also I appreciate your thought out and respectful answer. I like feedback and advice when it doesn't come off as rude or condescending. ill try doing that and see how things work." CreationDate="2016-09-02T21:22:05.840" UserId="367285" />
  <row Id="21286" PostId="8883" Score="2" Text="Only one moderator contributed to that action, and the action the mod took did not use their moderator powers, but were performed with the power that would be gained by having a high reputation. So in other words `no less than FIVE of the mods put it &quot;on hold.&quot; ` is entirely false." CreationDate="2016-09-05T17:35:42.880" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="21287" PostId="8883" Score="1" Text="Hmm, the &quot;On hold&quot; action listed five names.  Apparently they weren't all mods then.   My bad, sorry." CreationDate="2016-09-05T17:37:26.213" UserId="131455" />
  <row Id="21288" PostId="8883" Score="11" Text="Also, facetiously over emphasizing the word &quot;business&quot; in your off topic post doesn't make it on-topic any more than writing &quot;business suit&quot; on your naked body would make you any more presentable in a board meeting." CreationDate="2016-09-05T17:39:40.710" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="21289" PostId="8883" Score="1" Text="Sorry if I seemed a little snippy.  I thought the reaction to my question was a little over-the-top (a simple comment requesting clarification would have sufficed), so my reaction to the reaction was likewise.   I don't think a lot of people pay $150 a year for a hosting package to put their collection of kitten pictures on line, so I thought it was clear that this was a network administration question in a business setting.    I know from experience that if I had put it on SuperUser it would have been put closed as &quot;Not a home networking&quot; question, so I figured this was the proper place." CreationDate="2016-09-05T17:45:20.850" UserId="131455" />
  <row Id="21290" PostId="8883" Score="1" Text="I'm also curious as to why you think that I was &quot;facetiously&quot; emphasizing the word &quot;business&quot; in my &quot;off topic&quot; post.   My post was on-topic, even if it didn't appear to be, and I have since edited it to make that clear.   You may not like that I used a sledgehammer instead of tweezers to make my point, but my post is not (and was not) &quot;off topic.&quot;   It's a legitimate business networking question that I needed the answer to.   If you have such hostility to people who don't have your in-depth knowledge, perhaps you should spend less time on StackExchange." CreationDate="2016-09-05T17:50:47.210" UserId="131455" />
  <row Id="21292" PostId="8883" Score="0" Text="To your first comment, the rationale behind this specific closure may not be perfectly described by the generic text that was put on the closure since it appears the majority of close voters chose to click a radio button close reason rather than elaborate with custom text. A more accurate close reason may reflect the sentiment that 1) The tools being used are not typical or generally topical for a systems engineer, and 2) The topic at hand is already thoroughly described by standard documentation, and ServerFault shies away from answers that would rehash basic topics. Part of the DRY concept." CreationDate="2016-09-05T18:15:54.950" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="21293" PostId="8883" Score="1" Text="`I'm also curious as to why you think that I was &quot;facetiously&quot; emphasizing the word &quot;business&quot; in my &quot;off topic&quot; post.` Because standard rules of verbal communication in the English language do not dictate that it's proper to use of the word &quot;business&quot; that many times. You are either being facetious or English is not your first language (and yet you somehow manage to have perfect spelling in spite of that)." CreationDate="2016-09-05T18:21:14.493" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="21294" PostId="8883" Score="1" Text="`My post was on-topic, even if it didn't appear to be, and I have since edited it to make that clear.` It was not on topic, and thus was closed by five independent members of the site. An occasional misjudgment with a close vote is common on ServerFault. In my 7+ years here, I think I can recall about two, maybe three questions that had five separate people mistakenly vote it closed." CreationDate="2016-09-05T18:21:20.220" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="21295" PostId="8883" Score="0" Text="`You may not like that I used a sledgehammer instead of tweezers to make my point, but my post is not (and was not) &quot;off topic.&quot;` It was entirely off topic. You are superimposing your own bias concerning the motives of those closing the question, and the motive you feel were in play do not appear to match with reality." CreationDate="2016-09-05T18:24:44.097" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="21296" PostId="8883" Score="7" Text="I v-t-c because it is not about managing computers. In fact it seems to be more about how not to have to manage computers. It's just end user or programmer stuff really." CreationDate="2016-09-05T18:25:23.870" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21297" PostId="8883" Score="4" Text="`It's a legitimate business networking question` No it wasn't. `If you have such hostility to people who don't have your in-depth knowledge, perhaps you should spend less time on StackExchange.` Again, you are superimposing your own bias on the motives of other. The assumption of hostility where there is no indication of it perhaps reflects more about you than others. Your methods and goals were orthogonal to ServerFault’s purpose. Summarized: professional systems engineering topics handled by professional SEs using standard SE best practices. (My attempt at a summary of the spirit of the FAQ)" CreationDate="2016-09-05T18:25:48.250" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="21299" PostId="8883" Score="1" Text="+1 business points for your business-focused approach!" CreationDate="2016-09-06T06:53:06.127" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21298" PostId="8884" Score="0" Text="I asked what I thought was a legitimate system administration question, in what I thought was a legitimate and proper place to ask it.   I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree." CreationDate="2016-09-05T23:44:15.380" UserId="131455" />
  <row Id="21303" PostId="8884" Score="0" Text="@user1071914 I have to agree, it really doesn't sound like you're administering a server or network equipment or anything like that. Funny though, I see similar questions to yours get answered sometimes without a fuss. Like &quot;Help, my hosted DNS is all screwy and so on...&quot; or &quot;I want to use some AWS service I don't understand, please explain xxx...&quot;. At least you got your question answered here in Meta." CreationDate="2016-09-09T06:47:38.417" UserId="313604" />
  <row Id="21317" PostId="8884" Score="6" Text="Nobody cares if your question is somehow 'related to a business', it's that the question is about administering servers in a production environment.  You have a domain, you want it pointed at facebook.  You have no server.  The site is named 'Server Fault'.  You don't have a server with a fault.  You have a question that you would ask YOUR systems administrator if you had one.  You don't (you are the end user for paid services).  This isn't a place to fill that gap." CreationDate="2016-09-15T05:19:34.903" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="21336" PostId="8890" Score="7" Text="We are not strict enough. We let too much crap through and are now victims of [broken windows](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory)." CreationDate="2016-09-28T07:45:05.943" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21340" PostId="8890" Score="3" Text="Since you're new here, I just want to explain that downvotes here on Meta don't work the same as downvotes on the regular site. Votes on Meta don't affect your rep, and they are often used to indicate agreement/disagreement, instead of as an evaluation of the quality of the question." CreationDate="2016-09-28T07:54:24.747" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="21326" PostId="8891" Score="1" Text="When can we start moving Server 2003 questions to Superuser? ;-)" CreationDate="2016-09-27T20:49:14.457" UserId="59161" />
  <row Id="21327" PostId="8891" Score="4" Text="2022. Then it's also out of support for seven years :)" CreationDate="2016-09-27T20:55:04.313" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21328" PostId="8891" Score="0" Text="You're basically out of touch on the issue here, because running a system unsupported by Apple has no relevance about what software I can run on it (ie whatever Apple put in the system to start with I can, and am, running the latest versions of MySQL, PHP, OpenSSL...)" CreationDate="2016-09-27T21:10:52.017" UserId="377753" />
  <row Id="21333" PostId="8891" Score="10" Text="You have an OS that hasn't received an update for its core components like the kernel and the firewall implementation for seven years while newer versions of the product got plenty of security fixes for these components.  Until you can demonstrate that all those fixes only affect those newer versions anyway, I say it's highly irresponsible to run such a system facing the internet directly. What version of MySQL you run is irrelevant in that context." CreationDate="2016-09-27T21:30:14.713" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21365" PostId="8891" Score="0" Text="@pacey Not too soon I hope, we still have some in our shop and that probably won't change in the next 2-3 years." CreationDate="2016-09-28T10:35:36.703" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21329" PostId="8892" Score="0" Text="So, basically you are biased against the fact that MacOS was in the question, where the actual question, and its answer, would be relevant more widely, to other Unix users." CreationDate="2016-09-27T21:12:44.167" UserId="377753" />
  <row Id="21331" PostId="8892" Score="3" Text="@typonaut Yep! Irrelevant to SF, maybe not to the internet at large and therefore migrated rather than closed or deleted." CreationDate="2016-09-27T21:17:52.490" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21369" PostId="8892" Score="1" Text="@typonaut The most appropriate place for overlapping topics depends more on the question itself than on usage statistics or products. For example, is it a question about deployment/configuration (serverfault), customization (stackoverflow), or usage (superuser)? A question heavy with scripting might get better results on unix/linux, while more generic questions may be more successful on serverfault (regardless of specific operating system). Unfortunately, overlapping questions can only be moved, not exist on more than one site." CreationDate="2016-09-28T12:05:07.800" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21330" PostId="8893" Score="0" Text="I find it generally perplexing that a question about firewalls and brute force attacks isn't of wider interest." CreationDate="2016-09-27T21:15:19.283" UserId="377753" />
  <row Id="21332" PostId="8893" Score="0" Text="It also seems to me that the superusers don't know the answers, because questions about these subjects are not getting answers." CreationDate="2016-09-27T21:19:35.450" UserId="377753" />
  <row Id="21367" PostId="8893" Score="0" Text="@typonaut I have seen similar around here. If you state that your problem occurs on your NAS, it will be deemed unworthy. If you state that it occurs on the file server in a department of 20 people that you manage, it will be welcomed, even if the problem itself does not change. So, just word it differently and invent some back story - no one can check it. It is stupid, but it seems necessary." CreationDate="2016-09-28T11:58:30.860" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21368" PostId="8893" Score="1" Text="@typonaut: You got your answer on superuser didn't you?" CreationDate="2016-09-28T12:04:24.747" UserId="59161" />
  <row Id="21374" PostId="8893" Score="1" Text="@user121391 you are right, the question does not change between those two cases, _per se_.  **The person asking it does** - one is a hobbyist at home, the other is a professional being paid to maintain this equipment.  The latter person tends to ask questions that are a lot more relevant to this site than the former, so we use the information in the question to distinguish the two.  Sure, you can lie, and say your hobbyist NAS is really at work, but it'll all come out soon enough, when we ask for some piece of technical information, and you have to ask us how to find that out." CreationDate="2016-10-04T06:51:49.613" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="21375" PostId="8893" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter That is exactly my point - I argue to judge questions on the quality of the question itself, for example by previous research, detailed explanation, demonstrated experience etc.; just not by &quot;someone pays me money so it must be a good question!&quot;. Times have changed, hardware is cheap, virtual everything allows for possibilities in the home that were previously only available to large businesses, so in my opinion the line professional/prosumer is much more blurry than it was some years ago." CreationDate="2016-10-04T07:18:02.733" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21376" PostId="8893" Score="2" Text="Please, read what I wrote.  We, too, wish to judge the questions on the quality of the question, and the quality of the questioner is an important factor in that, whether you like it or not.  I can point you to any number of questions I've tried to help with, where we ask for some diagnostic information, and the questioner then says &quot;*how do I find that out?*&quot;.  At that point, you have to start worrying about a huge pile of professionally-normal things the OP may not have done.  Life is too short to bring the whole world up to speed; we're here for the people who are already running." CreationDate="2016-10-04T07:28:15.540" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="21338" PostId="8895" Score="0" Text="As a new user, I also experienced what you describe when I first started here about a year ago. Interestingly, it is very different on other sites, for example on Unix&amp;Linux, the spirit is generally very helpful, the rules are used for really bad cases and it helps new users to feel more welcomed as well as increasing the quality of answers (and questions, later on)." CreationDate="2016-09-28T07:52:43.170" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21337" PostId="8897" Score="1" Text="-1: he is looking for &quot;a tool&quot; in the sense of &quot;I need to achieve a goal and it seems I might need a tool similar to those tools that I tried and that did not work&quot;, not in &quot;what tool of those 10 is the best one?&quot;. You have to accept that some tasks just need tools to do them, it is not feasible to say &quot;we cannot tell you which tool you need, just what you would need to do if you had to program it yourself!&quot;. It is good to keep it broad with general concepts, but sometimes you just have to do your task and need a tool that works." CreationDate="2016-09-28T07:49:32.403" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21339" PostId="8897" Score="3" Text="Yes, and in those cases you should go to a site that does software recommendations, not one that considers them explicitly off-topic. The fact that sometimes a recommendation is what you need doesn't mean that this has to be the place for it." CreationDate="2016-09-28T07:53:22.947" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="21341" PostId="8897" Score="1" Text="Administration is much more reliant on tools (as all programs are tools in this case, even OS and included software) than for example Computer Science (where tools are only helping, but strictly never needed) or even programming. What you are saying essentially equals to &quot;If your problem does not fit our rules set in stone exactly, go away!&quot; - Which is ironically exactly what Andrew Hendrix criticized. He asked *why* the rules are so strictly enforced, you say *that* they are (which is already known, hence this topic)." CreationDate="2016-09-28T08:10:04.903" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21342" PostId="8897" Score="1" Text="Yes, that is what I am saying. That is what the entire help section, which I helpfully linked to in my answer, says. If you think the rule is bad, you should propose a rules change, not propose that the rule remain and people just pretend it doesn't." CreationDate="2016-09-28T08:13:01.850" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="21343" PostId="8897" Score="0" Text="I view this question as a proposed rule change, do you not? He asks *&quot;Why can't we give askers the benefit of the doubt and assume that it isn't off topic on edge cases?&quot;* which means &quot;Why do we *need* such a strict rule?&quot; Not all proposals have to start with &quot;I propose the following:&quot; - sometimes it is enough to say &quot;guys, I think we could improve X, what do you think?&quot;, where X is a rule (that might or might not be changed depending on outcome of the discussion)." CreationDate="2016-09-28T08:29:11.187" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21344" PostId="8897" Score="3" Text="@user121391 I disagree. If you want to propose a change, be specific. If you're not specific in what you want to change then Jenny's reply, which is just stating that she disagrees with the basic premise of that original question being only slightly off-topic, is a valid response." CreationDate="2016-09-28T08:41:39.157" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21364" PostId="8897" Score="0" Text="As I have said, this is not an edge case. You may want it to not be off-topic, but if so, you need to actually change the rules for what is and is not on-topic. Again, if you want to change the rules so that this question becomes on-topic, the thing to do is to suggest that the rules be **changed**, not **ignored**." CreationDate="2016-09-28T10:16:14.743" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="21366" PostId="8897" Score="0" Text="Actually, either ignoring or changing the rules results in the same outcome, see also my comment on my own answer regarding that. Andrew main argument is that any rules in the real world always produce a certain amount of edge cases and therefore changing of the rules achieves less than ignoring them (being more lenient). Also, you have stated multiple times *that* this was no edge case, but never *why*. One can only assume from your answer that *all* requests for tools are off-topic, but not all are closed. In fact, most remain open (and rightfully so, as they are useful)." CreationDate="2016-09-28T11:50:11.420" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21370" PostId="8897" Score="6" Text="@user121391 I am sorry to have failed to express myself in a way that you are able to understand. Since direct statements with links to the list of what is considered off-topic is not clear enough for you, I am at a loss how to proceed, and so I give up." CreationDate="2016-09-28T12:25:02.727" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="21345" PostId="8898" Score="3" Text="We have changed our scope and reduced our quality requirements several times over. All it does it allow more crappier off topic questions. The end result being few people bother any more and the river of shit becomes Amazonian." CreationDate="2016-09-28T08:48:54.053" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21346" PostId="8898" Score="2" Text="You could conceivably ask any IT related question on Server Fault and expect to have it answered. That would make us (like many other places) an helldesk for the internet.  That is not our mission. We limit the scope to a business environment so that we are not overwhelmed by crappy questions from home users and the hoards of cluelessness that surrounds [so]. Sadly we have failed. Hanging on in quiet desperation..." CreationDate="2016-09-28T08:52:41.893" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21347" PostId="8898" Score="2" Text="What Iain said and also: *Anything* in a home environment is clearly off-topic, &quot;best practices&quot; or not." CreationDate="2016-09-28T08:55:14.027" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21348" PostId="8898" Score="0" Text="@Iain This is a very negative outlook that would ultimately either destroy you or lead you away from this site. I think it would be better to reward good, interesting questions than to try to destroy or prevent bad ones. It is difficult to reliable say wether a question is good or bad, it is much easier to judge the *effort* that went in it." CreationDate="2016-09-28T08:57:00.620" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21349" PostId="8898" Score="0" Text="@Sven Yes, this was the problem I wanted to highlight (and what the asker also said) - the rules are too strict and exclude good questions by strict enforcement. To solve this, either the rules could become more differentiated (my proposal) or the enforcement could become less strict (Andrew's proposal)." CreationDate="2016-09-28T08:59:11.917" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21350" PostId="8898" Score="0" Text="[Broken windows theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory). I search every day for good interesting questions that are well researched. I am always disappointed." CreationDate="2016-09-28T09:00:24.813" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21351" PostId="8898" Score="1" Text="[Evidence of broken windows theory in action](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8607/honeypotting-serverfault-for-questions-that-should-not-be-asked-should-this-sto). We once allowed CPanel questions with the intent of gathering Q&amp;A for sysadmins unfortunately all we did was bring in the clueless pointy click crowd. Now we can't get rid of them." CreationDate="2016-09-28T09:03:50.253" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21352" PostId="8898" Score="0" Text="@Hanginoninquietdesperation Broken windows theory is only that, a theory. I agree on your second point, searching for good questions is difficult here, but I think it could be improved by tools. For example, fuzzy tag search over multiple sites, include and ignore lists of users for search, generally stored search criteria, tag hierarchies/trees, multiple separate upvotes for effort/content/etc. and searching for them, ... that just from the back of my head. Similar to the web, I want to find what I want to see, not tell others they should do how I want them to." CreationDate="2016-09-28T09:07:10.337" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21353" PostId="8898" Score="3" Text="@user121391: I disagree with both you and Andrew. We (well, I) want questions that are good **and** within the scope of our site and I don't see why we should widen our scope or loosen the &quot;enforcement&quot; of our rules. I am fine with excluding home users - they have other places to go to." CreationDate="2016-09-28T09:09:05.057" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21354" PostId="8898" Score="0" Text="Your cpanel example would be solved by better search and ignore options almost completely - mods could tag untagged questions and you could then ignore them (while others can use them, if they want)." CreationDate="2016-09-28T09:09:19.340" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21355" PostId="8898" Score="6" Text="@user121391: As a mod, I have zero interest in becoming a secretary for lazy idiots and do their work by tagging for them." CreationDate="2016-09-28T09:12:32.173" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21356" PostId="8898" Score="0" Text="@Sven Instead you do work by closing questions. Also, you would not *have* to to it, it could be done by others that want it, or auto-tagged by the system. You could also limit your search to properly tagged questions, which would be those of un-lazy people." CreationDate="2016-09-28T09:15:17.690" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21357" PostId="8898" Score="3" Text="There are lots of things that could happen that don't. People could read the site help before posting. People could search the site before posting. People could use Google before posting. People could write interesting, well researched questions but none of that happens either." CreationDate="2016-09-28T09:20:54.663" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21358" PostId="8898" Score="5" Text="Closing crap questions is a social good." CreationDate="2016-09-28T09:21:23.917" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21359" PostId="8898" Score="0" Text="Who decides what is good and what is crap? You? Me? Some randomly chosen *n* people that have amassed *m* reputation points from completely different topics? Experts on the subject (which would have to be chosen and tested continuously)? AI? I'm interested, as I could not imagine anything of those to be viable in the long term." CreationDate="2016-09-28T09:25:54.420" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21360" PostId="8898" Score="2" Text="@user121391: We have discussed this again and again - just iterating this again is pointless. The majority of our active users want a limited scope with more or less strict enforcement of our arbitrary(!) rule set." CreationDate="2016-09-28T09:27:01.363" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21361" PostId="8898" Score="0" Text="@user121391 Everyone is free to vote as they see fit. Everyone gets to decide by voting." CreationDate="2016-09-28T09:31:24.657" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21362" PostId="8898" Score="0" Text="@Sven So I assume the parent company does not care to improve the technical side or is unable to (regarding the search). It is unfortunate, but I can see why it may frustrate good people and over time scare them away (problems, like broken windows, do not get attention and are not fixed). In this way, maybe I can relate to the broken windows theory, but not on the &quot;zero tolerance&quot; side, but the &quot;improve the community proactively&quot; side." CreationDate="2016-09-28T09:31:31.743" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21363" PostId="8898" Score="2" Text="@user121391: We are a bit of an odd thing in the [SE] universe with being one of the very few communities that are decidedly not open for everyone (the others being [mathoverflow.se] and [networkengineering.se], I believe) and I am not sure what the company thinks about it. Certainly they don't actively cater to our &quot;special needs&quot; (I am OK with that...)." CreationDate="2016-09-28T09:36:47.397" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21371" PostId="8898" Score="0" Text="@Sven As a lazy idiot... I am very sad to hear that." CreationDate="2016-09-28T15:26:42.980" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21372" PostId="8898" Score="3" Text="@Reaces: Your Q&amp;A ratio and rep proves that you are neither lazy nor an idiot (obligatory disclaimer: At least as far as this site is concerned) :) But seriously, my remark was purely about the semi-regular idea to let mods do some thing or another &quot;to improve our site&quot;. Remember the difficulty class triage idea from a few weeks back? The occasional edit for a missed tag isn't a problem, but I would be weary of having to actually read every question to check if they are appropriately tagged." CreationDate="2016-09-28T15:46:35.087" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21377" PostId="8899" Score="12" Text="Review audits are a waste of time." CreationDate="2016-10-06T19:08:18.983" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="21378" PostId="8899" Score="1" Text="@KatherineVillyard Oh, you just jealous of my super-duper rare &quot;Reviewer&quot; badge :)" CreationDate="2016-10-06T19:20:10.723" UserId="306348" />
  <row Id="21381" PostId="8899" Score="7" Text="It's not that rare - 270 people have them and [Katherine has 4](https://serverfault.com/help/badges/168/reviewer?userid=174813) ... Review audit's _are_ a waste of a good reviewers time." CreationDate="2016-10-06T20:28:46.937" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21382" PostId="8899" Score="0" Text="@Hanginoninquietdesperation World really needs irony punctuation, i was just joking ;) As for &quot;wasting time&quot; - you can do reviews in the interims between work, while answering the question requires much more dedicated time (at least for me :)" CreationDate="2016-10-06T20:35:02.820" UserId="306348" />
  <row Id="21383" PostId="8899" Score="4" Text="You misread what Katherine and I said ... 'Review **Audits** are a waste of time' (for a good reviewer)" CreationDate="2016-10-06T20:36:23.483" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21388" PostId="8899" Score="1" Text="@Anubioz There is an irony punctuation. (.This is sufficient irony/sarcasm punctiuation for the whole world!.) Only very few people use it..." CreationDate="2016-10-07T09:44:39.710" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="21389" PostId="8899" Score="0" Text="@JennyD Sorry if i'm taking it serious wrongfully, but denoting irony has always been a huge problem for me (most of people tend to get me wrong for some reason :). Are you saying that a parenthesis followed by a period can/should be used for sarcastic sentences? Like (. Here goes sarcasm .)?" CreationDate="2016-10-07T09:51:03.647" UserId="306348" />
  <row Id="21390" PostId="8899" Score="0" Text="@Anubioz Yes, that's what I'm saying. It's been used that way in some online communities I've been a part of since the 1990's. For some reason it never got any traction on the web, and nowadays people will just use emoticons instead. (. Kids these days, getoffmylawn... .)" CreationDate="2016-10-07T09:52:57.977" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="21391" PostId="8899" Score="0" Text="@jennyD Thanks for the info, I'll start using it right away :). I cannot understand why Unicode doesn't have that [symbol from wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation) though. A stupid flying man , which will never be used by anyone, is there, while reversed question mark isn't..." CreationDate="2016-10-07T09:59:05.607" UserId="306348" />
  <row Id="21410" PostId="8899" Score="0" Text="Yeah, sorry if I wasn't clear, @Anubioz.  It's not reviewing that's a waste of time, it's the audits.  Whatever code generates them is sometimes wrong, and... what Reaces said, really." CreationDate="2016-10-07T15:55:36.087" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="21379" PostId="8900" Score="0" Text="Like it requests an advice for memory monitoring tools, which makes yet another reason to flag it as offtopic? Seriously, what's makes you thing it's &quot;detailed&quot;, does any question which features command outputs is regarded as &quot;detailed&quot; automatically? :) I can understand that, since compared to 95% of everyday garbage this question DOES seem like a good one, but still without looking at answers I can't see any value in it (just imagine, that I am not supposed to &quot;cheat&quot; by opening the actual question in another tab while reviewing - how would you determine whether it is specific &amp; detailed)..." CreationDate="2016-10-06T19:36:53.420" UserId="306348" />
  <row Id="21380" PostId="8900" Score="0" Text="I don't have anything against review audit questions &amp; I successfully passed every one of them before, there also were those &quot;high quality posts&quot; in there. But this particular one is a bad one for including it into test. Since the test shouldn't include something that we can argue on..." CreationDate="2016-10-06T19:45:02.207" UserId="306348" />
  <row Id="21411" PostId="8900" Score="0" Text="Yes, but the review audit items aren't chosen by a human.  They're random high-voted or low-voted posts stuck in the review queue to see if you're randomly mashing buttons for a badge.  I don't imagine Stack Exchange is going to hire people to select review audits, so...." CreationDate="2016-10-07T15:57:38.810" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="21387" PostId="8901" Score="1" Text="I like your point &amp; I agree with it, but I'm actually trying to improve things here (though it may not be clear from my initial post :). I added a possible (purely technical) way to prevent audit system from being so stupid. I think that implementing my suggestion will fix this only problem I can think of - otherwise automated auditing is completely fine to me :)" CreationDate="2016-10-07T09:42:26.737" UserId="306348" />
  <row Id="21392" PostId="8901" Score="0" Text="@Anubioz Handling duplicates is a vital part of the review queue's. Removing them from audits (that are supposed to reflect real cases in the queue) seems a bit much." CreationDate="2016-10-07T10:26:45.787" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21393" PostId="8902" Score="1" Text="Actually, I realize my mistake.  The user(s) who flagged the post were wrong.  Amazon-S3 is not a web hosting provider, they are a cloud services provider.  Industry leading cloud services provider.  Their methods are defacto industry standard." CreationDate="2016-10-07T11:47:55.193" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21394" PostId="8902" Score="0" Text="I don't think your post will get closed simply because it is about cloud hosted infrastructure. I've posed some questions about Azure hosted stuff and didn't get closed on yet." CreationDate="2016-10-07T12:04:06.573" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21395" PostId="8902" Score="0" Text="Actually not my post, but the OP has legit system administration questions." CreationDate="2016-10-07T12:06:42.753" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21396" PostId="8902" Score="0" Text="Also, I think his reference to Amazon S3 is as a possible storage destination that he'd like to mount.  My impression (based on the way he worded being denied a request to add a disk) is that this is a baremetal server in a colocation datacenter." CreationDate="2016-10-07T12:08:10.067" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21397" PostId="8902" Score="6" Text="@Xalorous: Please check the revision history to learn that this was/is a CPanel question, not an S3 question. Also, we don't *need* to do anything." CreationDate="2016-10-07T12:19:01.663" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21398" PostId="8902" Score="0" Text="I see your point about the revision changing the question.  And that clears my confusion, for the original post.  I've edited this post here on meta as well.  It explains why I believe SF does need to be careful in this area.  Also, his question does not necessarily need to be closed, in edited format.  But making that decision is dependent on his answers regarding the nature of the actual server, and whether he has administrative control.  If the backup system he is using is built into his control panel, and hardwired to a certain location, he's f*&amp;ked, we can't answer (&amp; no answer exists)." CreationDate="2016-10-07T12:33:35.903" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21399" PostId="8902" Score="3" Text="I am not going to ignore the fact that I know there is CPanel involved just because the OP edited it out. For a vanilla CentOS server, this question would be fine here, but since we know he is doing his backups with CPanel, he should ask on a site where CPanel is not off-topic." CreationDate="2016-10-07T12:38:52.260" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21400" PostId="8902" Score="0" Text="I don't know enough about cpanel to know whether it can do backups or not. But I do know that with admin access I can make cpanel send backups where I want them to go, period, by the simple expedient of replacing the destination with a symlink pointing where I mounted my desired destination.  (Linux OR Windows).  The real issue with cpanel is that most instances where someone is using it, they don't have full admin access.  And in those instances, no matter what the control panel, the post would be off topic." CreationDate="2016-10-07T12:48:18.143" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21401" PostId="8902" Score="6" Text="We don't support cPanel systems. The End ." CreationDate="2016-10-07T13:16:28.270" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21402" PostId="8902" Score="1" Text="Ignoring CPanel for a moment, the question boils down to &quot;Can I mount a S3 volume on a CentOS server?&quot; Searching for this phrase on a search engine yields tons of results. There has been minimal to no research effort put into this question. It really is not a good fit for SF no matter how you spin it." CreationDate="2016-10-07T13:19:08.190" UserId="56431" />
  <row Id="21403" PostId="8902" Score="0" Text="My discussion point is about making sure that we don't close cloud service related questions by mistake (because that's what that post looked like when I posted) AND being careful not to be too vitriolic in closing comments.  You all have been contributing to this stack far longer than I have.  In this case I'm the new user.  And I am telling you that we don't need to post questions here to get answers.  And we will stop posting if closing comments are as abrasive, elitist and exclusionary as what I see.  Once the new users stop posting, you've basically got a circle jerk of old hands." CreationDate="2016-10-07T13:34:13.853" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21404" PostId="8902" Score="0" Text="Wow, the negative votes.  Forget about the post that inspired my post.  Please read my discussion points.  If you disagree and think that anything that whiffs of online hosting, in any format, should be closed and the user who psoted them should be verbally attacked and excluded, then fine.  But you're exhibiting the exact exclusionary behavior that will kill the site." CreationDate="2016-10-07T13:38:55.003" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21405" PostId="8902" Score="6" Text="`because that's what that post looked like when I posted` Yeah, but it turned out you were wrong and the situation is quite different then you thought, so the discussion is moot. Or do you think  we need to be careful to not do something we aren't doing anyway? And for the rest: We have discussed this over and over and I don't see a point in a newcomer reiterating this yet again. If you come here as a beginner and write good, well researched, thoughtful questions you will be welcomed. If you don't, people will get mad at you. It's as simple as that." CreationDate="2016-10-07T13:45:28.260" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21406" PostId="8902" Score="0" Text="This is not different today on [SE] than it was 20 years ago on Usenet and 25 years ago on some BBS systems." CreationDate="2016-10-07T13:51:47.703" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21408" PostId="8902" Score="4" Text="Downvotes on meta are people telling you that they disagree - nothing more nothing less." CreationDate="2016-10-07T14:11:46.617" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21407" PostId="8903" Score="5" Text="Well, sort of. And not at all. See, we have discussed this again and again (use the search for Meta) and I really see no point at doing it again. And yes, your experience matters because stuff wears you down after some time and changes your view. And it really doesn't help your point at all that your whole premise is wrong because we just don't close (good) AWS or GCE or whatever questions." CreationDate="2016-10-07T14:01:53.123" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21409" PostId="8903" Score="3" Text="We used to accept *Panel questions because, perhaps, occasionally a sysadmin would want to install it or interact with it (not actually use it). All that got us was a constant stream of crappier than usual questions.  We revisited the *Panel topic and decided that we no longer wanted to accept questions about systems were they are installed. That's were we are now. I don't see a compelling reason to change that. For reference: https://meta.serverfault.com/search?q=cpanel" CreationDate="2016-10-07T14:17:51.213" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21412" PostId="8903" Score="6" Text="*&quot;you haven't been here enough to have an opinion&quot;* is better worded as *&quot;you need to familiarize yourself with the prior discussions and present a rebuttal for the prior art&quot;*. :P It's less that you're new, and more that you need to do your homework on the topic that you're stepping into before you can expect to play ball. Especially considering how often others (frequently less polite and as well written as you are) bring up the same topics with similar lack of research." CreationDate="2016-10-07T19:22:44.447" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="21414" PostId="8907" Score="4" Text="Delete away, for my money.  I note that locked questions can't be delete-voted, either; if you don't want to delete it you might consider removing the lock so the community can express itself in the normal way." CreationDate="2016-10-10T09:33:19.817" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="21415" PostId="8907" Score="6" Text="IIRC mod edits to locked questions don't get bumped to the front page. A historical lock is easy to apply. I suspect that this would have all been cleaned up except that the events that cause the mod to be come ex interrupted the activity.I'm with @madhatter and would cast s delete vote if I were able." CreationDate="2016-10-10T10:46:40.870" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21416" PostId="8907" Score="3" Text="Yet another reason we should all be grateful to The Powers That Be for unilaterally nuking an elected mod." CreationDate="2016-10-10T10:50:37.580" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="21419" PostId="8907" Score="1" Text="I've removed the lock so the community can express itself in the normal way." CreationDate="2016-10-11T05:26:42.727" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21422" PostId="8907" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton now it's deleted, but I wonder if Chris loose some points as is answer was good (with a +4), as usually the OP can't delete is own question if an usefull answer was gave." CreationDate="2016-10-12T13:46:13.633" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21423" PostId="8907" Score="1" Text="@yagmoth555 After a post gets old enough, the reputation doesn't go away if the post is deleted. I don't recall the exact time offhand though." CreationDate="2016-10-12T15:09:49.803" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21424" PostId="8907" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton ah, thanks for the input :) didnt knew that" CreationDate="2016-10-12T15:33:55.880" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21429" PostId="8907" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Do you happen to have a source for that information? I thought it was based on the impact of removal, not on the age of the question/answer." CreationDate="2016-10-15T19:12:08.040" UserId="240639" />
  <row Id="21505" PostId="8907" Score="1" Text="@Mast https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/5222/157730 *&quot;Reputation changes from bounties, votes (both up and down), and acceptances on deleted posts (including answers to a deleted question) are nullified. (Exception: Reputation earned for posts with a score of three or higher, and where the post has been visible on the site for at least 60 days, is retained).&quot;*" CreationDate="2016-11-17T16:40:25.920" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="21508" PostId="8907" Score="0" Text="@MichaelKjörling Much appreciated :-)" CreationDate="2016-11-17T17:41:27.593" UserId="240639" />
  <row Id="21418" PostId="8909" Score="6" Text="It doesn't matter. At -4 or below it would not appear on the front page no matter how many changes are made to it." CreationDate="2016-10-11T05:25:36.647" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21425" PostId="8912" Score="0" Text="Could you add a link to the specific question? Some context would be nice." CreationDate="2016-10-14T09:20:09.293" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="21434" PostId="8916" Score="11" Text="I'd also add your meta questions would be so much better received if they didn't feel like personal attacks. As this does. Focus on the problem and make a case, rather than immediately going on the offensive" CreationDate="2016-10-17T15:37:10.820" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="21435" PostId="8916" Score="4" Text="You might want to review how you ask questions. Immediately pointing the finger at a moderator and saying he's unfair. Making a sarcastic remark about a standardized close reason. Yes obviously something is wrong here, you don't know this site and you think going on the offensive is a good way to start a conversation / discussion." CreationDate="2016-10-17T17:30:45.447" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21440" PostId="8916" Score="0" Text="@Reaces I point the finger because it's unfair. I don't need to tell myself fairy tales.&#xA;&#xA;IT'S NOT OFF TOPIC. I'M NOT CIRCUMVENTING ANY RULES. I'M HIDING WHAT I BROWSE. IF AN IP IT'S BLOCKED OUTSIDE I WILL BE BLOCKED ANYWAY NO MATTER HOW HARD I TRY. I AM VISITING ALLOWED WEBSITES AND I DON'T WANT THE URL DISCLOSED. WHY AND WHEN ARE MY PROBLEM, YOUR DUTY IS TO RE READ THE RULES AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.&#xA;&#xA;IF YOUTUBE IT'S BLOCKED BY A FIREWALL I CAN MASK THE URL AS MUCH AS I LIKE, THE IP WILL BE BLOCKED ANYWAY" CreationDate="2016-10-19T12:37:41.500" UserId="381175" />
  <row Id="21448" PostId="8916" Score="6" Text="@LiquidCore What makes you possibly think your question is on topic. You're the end user of a corporate laptop asking us to find a way for you to circumvent monitoring. We're not in the business of spending our time trying to find silly ways to do useless things that go against the spirit of corporate policy. The topicality of a site is determined  by community vote, and currently it looks like it is 13 to 0 against you." CreationDate="2016-10-19T14:12:01.553" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21449" PostId="8916" Score="7" Text="@LiquidCore Your machine has policy applied to it by corporate IT that enables them to monitor your browsing. Ethics aside, there's a reason they put that policy in place, and we will not aid you in circumventing rules that they put in place. If you do not wish to be subject to their monitoring, then take it up with them. Or don't use your work machine for personal browsing." CreationDate="2016-10-19T15:46:52.237" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21437" PostId="8918" Score="0" Text="Where you see the circumventing point, in my question yet has to be discovered." CreationDate="2016-10-19T12:26:44.717" UserId="381175" />
  <row Id="21446" PostId="8918" Score="0" Text="Your question is literally titled: ***&quot;How to hide/mask visited url/ip from monitoring software installed on the machine?&quot;*** if not about circumventing   your monitoring software what else is it about?" CreationDate="2016-10-19T13:28:48.187" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21447" PostId="8918" Score="1" Text="Masking the url from a software which records what i've visited. In my case it's an antivirus, which has nothing to do about blocking my traffic. I don't want to escape navigation rules, that would be easily made through a proxy." CreationDate="2016-10-19T13:43:57.867" UserId="381175" />
  <row Id="21438" PostId="8920" Score="0" Text="WOW I thought the big SERVERFAULT META logo up there meant we were on meta....&#xA;&#xA;WWOOOOPS" CreationDate="2016-10-19T12:27:42.643" UserId="381175" />
  <row Id="21451" PostId="8920" Score="4" Text="Hence why I said &quot;*here* on meta&quot;." CreationDate="2016-10-20T00:08:58.473" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="21455" PostId="8920" Score="0" Text="@wombie Your comment was totally useless. I've already asked here. You're giving me the same advice after I followed it?" CreationDate="2016-10-20T08:43:15.930" UserId="381175" />
  <row Id="21459" PostId="8920" Score="0" Text="@LiquidCore Please remember - answers posted here, and on Server Fault main, are not only for the original person that asked the question. The answers are also for anyone else that comes upon the Q&amp;A in the future. I understand that *you* may not think this answer is particularly useful, but I can assure that *others* could find it useful in the future. Therein lies its value." CreationDate="2016-10-20T21:29:17.590" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21450" PostId="8921" Score="0" Text="Over half his comments are attempts at sarcasm. You will find no objectivity here." CreationDate="2016-10-19T20:06:46.923" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21458" PostId="8922" Score="6" Text="@LiquidCore I have yet to see one argument from you that your question is a practical issue you are encountering in the process of managing an IT environment. And how it is not a literal example of the [not on topic](http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic) rule `unauthorized use or misuse of IT systems&#xA;`. If anything, everyone here is way too nice to you considering your constant childish insults and boorish behavior." CreationDate="2016-10-20T14:12:53.287" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21460" PostId="8923" Score="0" Text="I would ask, is it's a new version ? as often a rebranding come with feature change and UI change. As I would tend to not change it if it mean newer UI's stuff, to differentiate historical question and newer question on the main site." CreationDate="2016-10-21T17:46:24.057" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21461" PostId="8923" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 I'm not clear that the adding of new features will be any different from new features added since the release of the service, yet many old features will remain unchanged." CreationDate="2016-10-21T20:21:07.570" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="21462" PostId="8926" Score="0" Text="If you have an axe to grind then you should open a new meta question and link to the relevant question n main." CreationDate="2016-10-29T00:38:01.253" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21463" PostId="8926" Score="0" Text="There's no sign of the question on the main site, so its difficult for anyone to comment on this." CreationDate="2016-10-29T12:50:31.100" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="21465" PostId="8926" Score="0" Text="I got a bunch of downvotes, so I deleted it for fear of getting more dv." CreationDate="2016-10-29T16:56:24.467" UserId="363448" />
  <row Id="21466" PostId="8926" Score="0" Text="@RobMoir http://serverfault.com/questions/811761/server-2016-ssd-vs-hdd?noredirect=1#comment1031957_811761" CreationDate="2016-10-29T16:57:28.313" UserId="363448" />
  <row Id="21473" PostId="8926" Score="0" Text="Despite your protestations your question isn't very good it's vague and lacks detail required to answer it.. You don't provide any information on the expected workload of the system so, as it stands you are asking for opinions and we don't do that. If you provided workload information it may be better but it would then stand a good chance of being a capacity planning question which again we don't do." CreationDate="2016-10-31T05:50:15.217" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21474" PostId="8926" Score="0" Text="@Hanginoninquietdesperation, workload is not relevant, in my opinion. No further detail should be necessary if someone knows what ZFS is, or how Windows does (if it does) SSD Caching.  The question is a question of what works.  &#xA;Again, my point is there were several DV with no comments, no suggestions, no feedback, other than one useless comment.  Thus, my point and experience matches the OP that the community is not helpful." CreationDate="2016-10-31T20:27:34.253" UserId="363448" />
  <row Id="21475" PostId="8926" Score="0" Text="Of course workload is relevant. It's particularly relevant to the first 2 questions you asked. for example if you want to run a database then it's likely you will want it on the SSD which might preclude their use for other stuff." CreationDate="2016-11-01T05:53:03.083" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21476" PostId="8926" Score="0" Text="@Hanginoninquietdesperation, workload and system function are two different things.  The function will mostly be an all-in-one server, mainly file server." CreationDate="2016-11-01T15:20:22.760" UserId="363448" />
  <row Id="21504" PostId="8926" Score="0" Text="I don't have the rep here to view deleted posts, but generally speaking, **show your research.** If you have researched your question beforehand, *make sure that research shows in the body of your question.* Otherwise, for everyone else it's as good as a random idea." CreationDate="2016-11-17T16:36:36.887" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="21464" PostId="8927" Score="1" Text="No, that site is just a badly behaved scraper and should be treated as such." CreationDate="2016-10-29T16:25:20.880" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21467" PostId="8928" Score="3" Text="What is your _real_ question?" CreationDate="2016-10-29T21:37:37.640" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21468" PostId="8928" Score="0" Text="My cultural level doesn't allow me to ask it, so I have to use euphemisms. But I'm sure you've got it." CreationDate="2016-10-29T21:42:14.223" UserId="165991" />
  <row Id="21469" PostId="8928" Score="7" Text="No, I really do not understand what you're trying to hint at." CreationDate="2016-10-29T22:36:00.697" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21470" PostId="8929" Score="2" Text="It would definitely be closed.  Whether or not it got migrated to SU is a question that could really only be answered with an experiment." CreationDate="2016-10-30T00:41:37.710" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="21471" PostId="8929" Score="0" Text="I'm afraid I have to down-vote our answer here. It sends a wrong message answering a question with what boils down to: *if a question is off topic it will be migrated*. I realise that isn't the intended answer, but out of context it suggests a bad precedent." CreationDate="2016-10-30T13:28:34.580" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21472" PostId="8929" Score="0" Text="@Reaces Good point. I didn't quite catch on to that nuance." CreationDate="2016-10-30T14:48:47.770" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="21478" PostId="8934" Score="0" Text="Your question seem related to that question there: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6124/should-someone-post-an-answer-when-all-they-did-was-google-fu  As for me I would had googled that question to give the answer, even if it's not my area of knowledge." CreationDate="2016-11-03T13:25:00.923" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21481" PostId="8934" Score="3" Text="It's worth noting that in the nmap question, the verbose flag is doing something that most people would not anticipate verbose to do. It would be an easy thing to miss when scanning a man page." CreationDate="2016-11-03T17:31:40.957" UserId="270725" />
  <row Id="21507" PostId="8934" Score="0" Text="Related: [Is it okay to tell users to RTFM?](https://meta.serverfault.com/q/8740/58408)" CreationDate="2016-11-17T16:46:49.557" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="21479" PostId="8936" Score="9" Text="Also, man pages and similar docs are quite often written quite densely and you have to read them very carefully to catch implicit meanings. Asking in that case is fine." CreationDate="2016-11-03T13:56:23.560" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21480" PostId="8936" Score="5" Text="Some man-pages are 22,147 word books (like monit). Having a guide find the key details is really helpful." CreationDate="2016-11-03T17:17:22.053" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="21482" PostId="8937" Score="0" Text="-1 for saying you downvote for &quot;a simple google search&quot; - that's never been an acceptable reason to downvote here and you know it. The idea is for Server Fault to _be_ the top google search." CreationDate="2016-11-04T12:20:34.740" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="21483" PostId="8937" Score="8" Text="@Mark, Please review the (generic) Help centre article on [how to ask a good question](https://serverfault.com/help/how-to-ask). In particular point 2 that begins `Search and research Server Fault should be your last stop in your quest for an answer...`. If the answer to a question is easily found on google then it fails the `This question does not show any research` part of the tooltip on the downvote button too. I think that (again) we'll have to agree to disagree." CreationDate="2016-11-04T12:33:36.533" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21484" PostId="8938" Score="1" Text="Some users may not understand the statement in the man page that answers the question. I have certainly had that experience, and most annoying is when the man page author seems to assume that I already know how to use the tool, which is really what `-h` is for." CreationDate="2016-11-05T01:25:05.117" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="21497" PostId="8938" Score="2" Text="+1 for &quot;I  will read literally anything else before reading a man page.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-11-12T09:57:01.960" UserId="241316" />
  <row Id="22241" PostId="8938" Score="0" Text="`man` pages are reference documentation. This means their intent is not to teach you to use the tool but rather to fill in the gaps: be a complete, authoritative list of what the tool can possibly do. Tutorials and reference documentation are both useful and complement each other, they are simply intended for different use cases." CreationDate="2018-02-15T07:41:57.137" UserId="78984" />
  <row Id="22242" PostId="8938" Score="0" Text="Their terseness and technicality are simply a necessity to squeeze that completeness into a comprehensible amount of text." CreationDate="2018-02-15T07:50:14.157" UserId="78984" />
  <row Id="21485" PostId="8940" Score="3" Text="Done! There shouldn't be any linked questions anymore and that ought to make the tag disappear after a while." CreationDate="2016-11-07T17:02:25.643" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21503" PostId="8940" Score="1" Text="@HBruijn The tag is now completely gone." CreationDate="2016-11-17T15:34:34.787" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="21491" PostId="8943" Score="1" Text="10x, for clear explanation @Sven. I will ask my question in proper community." CreationDate="2016-11-10T11:50:02.893" UserId="246567" />
  <row Id="21499" PostId="8954" Score="1" Text="FYI there is also the option to merge tags, rather than burning them." CreationDate="2016-11-14T17:28:00.220" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21500" PostId="8954" Score="0" Text="I've never seen that option anywhere, but that's good to know for the future" CreationDate="2016-11-14T17:39:56.017" UserId="278665" />
  <row Id="21502" PostId="8954" Score="0" Text="More specifically, moderators have the option to merge tags. It's not something a regular user can do within the software." CreationDate="2016-11-16T21:24:01.433" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21559" PostId="8955" Score="0" Text="_Aside:_ What tool are you using to create your frilly &quot;cut-out&quot; screenshots?" CreationDate="2016-12-03T10:47:03.867" UserId="49157" />
  <row Id="21560" PostId="8955" Score="1" Text="They where created with &quot;[TechSmith - Snagit](https://www.techsmith.com/snagit.html)&quot;" CreationDate="2016-12-03T13:33:14.537" UserId="124215" />
  <row Id="21510" PostId="8957" Score="5" Text="There are far too many variables at play here for us to answer without seeing the question you're referring to. Please link it." CreationDate="2016-11-21T14:24:17.123" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21511" PostId="8957" Score="2" Text="If this concerns your last revision from today, you just move on - there is no need to have a second thought about this, let alone post here. Also, frankly I consider the edit an improvement, not because  your post actually was rude, but because it could appear so to the casual viewer." CreationDate="2016-11-21T14:45:08.923" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21512" PostId="8957" Score="0" Text="The edit chain is not that bad, as such you added an '@' to let know it's to tag an username in the end. For the last part of your question please see there http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/179257/what-happen-if-other-users-make-edit-on-someones-answer/179259#179259 for edit notification. An answerer will get notified to review only if the editor got less than 2k points, and you might miss the review approval if the community approve it first. For over 2k editor the approval is immediate, but you get notified that your answer was edited." CreationDate="2016-11-21T15:10:06.643" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21513" PostId="8957" Score="0" Text="Thanks everyone. That is all good information. I assume the underlying answer is if the person who edited your post has over 2k points then you either have to change it back or leave it alone." CreationDate="2016-11-21T15:16:04.053" UserId="335183" />
  <row Id="21514" PostId="8957" Score="1" Text="Yes, and if the user revert back after you, he should not in your case, but generally speaking you flag the post, and you can come back there to report. The moderator can stop the edit war and warn the user. but it's like EEAA suggest, it's a per-case basic in such case." CreationDate="2016-11-21T15:47:07.087" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21523" PostId="8959" Score="0" Text="But the exchange part is the same is it not?" CreationDate="2016-11-23T21:28:26.870" UserId="278665" />
  <row Id="21525" PostId="8959" Score="0" Text="@Drifter104 see it the other way, exchange online does not contains office 365 stuff. its like tagging microsoft office for a microsoft word problem, I think" CreationDate="2016-11-24T05:58:41.483" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21526" PostId="8959" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 I'm not sure in that instance  Microsoft Office would be the wrong tag. I think I'm maybe looking at it from an answer/question pov. If I want to find something about my exchange online subscription would a q tagged o365 lead me to the wrong answer.  The other angle is then, is it right to tag questions with both tags?" CreationDate="2016-11-24T11:25:53.043" UserId="278665" />
  <row Id="21527" PostId="8960" Score="2" Text="There's an easy solution, something that I do very frequently: use a text editor to compose your answer (I do this so I can use vim key bindings), and then copy/paste into SF." CreationDate="2016-11-24T17:52:25.943" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21539" PostId="8960" Score="2" Text="I agree that a draft answers feature would be nice, and would have prevented this altogether. You may consider advocating for such a thing over on meta.stackexchange." CreationDate="2016-11-25T19:42:36.337" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21517" PostId="8961" Score="6" Text="That's not what answers are for. The answer should be complete before you hit the Post Answer button." CreationDate="2016-11-23T20:46:16.927" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21520" PostId="8961" Score="3" Text="For the third time, **answers are for answering the question**. What you posted does not. If you want to actually answer the question, we'd be happy to see it. But what you posted isn't an answer and doesn't help anyone." CreationDate="2016-11-23T20:51:04.730" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21524" PostId="8961" Score="6" Text="@MarkJohnson then retype it, and hit post when its actually wrote as an answer please. how we know you work on improving it ? telepathy does not work yet." CreationDate="2016-11-24T05:50:41.990" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21532" PostId="8961" Score="3" Text="@MarkJohnson I'm sorry you seem to think we're being hostile. In reality I'm simply frustrated that it doesn't appear that you've understood what we have been trying to tell you. **YOU DO NOT NEED TO POST ANSWER UNTIL IT IS COMPLETE. THE SYSTEM WILL AUTOMATICALLY SAVE YOUR POST IN PROGRESS AS A DRAFT.**" CreationDate="2016-11-25T19:08:45.203" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21528" PostId="8962" Score="2" Text="I'm not sure I Care about intentions. I can't see the future and predict that eventually he'll come to an answer. Partial steps of a troubleshooting process are by definition not an answer." CreationDate="2016-11-24T21:52:26.867" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21544" PostId="8962" Score="7" Text="But you are asking for special consideration. You've stated unequivocally (and I'm paraphrasing here) &quot;If you would only consider **my** past contributions and **my** intent then maybe some modicum of leeway could have been granted to **my** answer.&quot; - I'm not unsympathetic to your point, but it simply can't work in the way you suggest." CreationDate="2016-11-25T20:10:48.647" UserId="19152" />
  <row Id="21546" PostId="8962" Score="2" Text="@MarkJohnson I'm not going to go through every posters history and judge his current answer by that. I'm going to judge his answer by the merits of the answer itself." CreationDate="2016-11-26T10:44:18.663" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21551" PostId="8964" Score="10" Text="Let me just quickly state that it is appreciated that you came to meta to ask. Every time we get to explain why something is or isn't on topic is one less close vote, and hopefully one less frustrated user." CreationDate="2016-12-02T07:04:17.113" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21623" PostId="8964" Score="1" Text="Microsoft has documented a significant portion of their protocols for interoperability. The same is unlikely to be true for the others (at the time of this writing) and the previously suggested network capture is likely your best bet. To get you started, you can see an example of a Microsoft protocol document detailing BITS upload of large files to OneDrive.&#xA;[https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn858877.aspx](https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn858877.aspx) You can search from there for other protocol documents, including BITS itself." CreationDate="2016-12-13T20:33:18.770" UserId="375609" />
  <row Id="21637" PostId="8964" Score="0" Text="Thanks Matthew, do you have any gut feeling if BITS would be slower than a custom tcp stack as is used by Aspera, which our US government clients really love." CreationDate="2016-12-14T18:58:14.027" UserId="388573" />
  <row Id="21552" PostId="8965" Score="1" Text="Maybe just your first sentence makes sense. What has his/her relationship to the service got to do with anything. How is triviality relevant anyway? You mean when it is or is not trivial his questions becomes on or off topic?" CreationDate="2016-12-02T18:49:26.190" UserId="209059" />
  <row Id="21553" PostId="8965" Score="6" Text="@Chris The OP's relationship with the service is relevant due to the charter of Server Fault. If this person was in charge of *running* the services mentioned, it would be on-topic. Of course, if this were the case, the person would not be asking this question. As to my last sentence, this is something that any network or sysadmin should know how to do. I'm a strong believer in not spoonfeeding people step-by-step instructions on how to do things. One learns better when they have to put thought and effort into whatever it is they're learning. So I dropped hints as to what the OP should do." CreationDate="2016-12-02T19:00:56.137" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21554" PostId="8965" Score="0" Text="I agree with you one hundred percent about not spoonfeeding." CreationDate="2016-12-02T19:34:39.567" UserId="209059" />
  <row Id="21567" PostId="8965" Score="0" Text="So where should this be posted? Super User?" CreationDate="2016-12-07T12:15:25.837" UserId="66578" />
  <row Id="21568" PostId="8965" Score="0" Text="My best bet would be Stack Overflow, but it may be too broad for a question. It may be better to find the customer support for each service." CreationDate="2016-12-07T15:37:08.900" UserId="116053" />
  <row Id="21588" PostId="8965" Score="0" Text="It's not a programming question, so I'd say Super User." CreationDate="2016-12-12T15:00:46.557" UserId="11303" />
  <row Id="21555" PostId="8966" Score="18" Text="Let me start by saying thank you. Thank you for joining our community and for answering questions. &#xA;What you do is valuable if under appreciated. ..." CreationDate="2016-12-02T21:58:55.297" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21556" PostId="8966" Score="4" Text="Agreed. I see a lot of new users asking questions and then never returning to the site - not even to accept the answer even though it is correct which leaves the site with a lot of &quot;unanswered&quot; questions that will probably never have an answer marked as correct which is a shame if you ask me." CreationDate="2016-12-02T22:43:16.700" UserId="125925" />
  <row Id="21562" PostId="8966" Score="5" Text="There are (almost) no questions from people who wouldn't be described as low rep. Answer the questions you find interesting for their interest. You will eventually get bored wading through the river of crappy questions to find interesting ones and leave. Find another hobby and go spend time on that and cut out the crap in between." CreationDate="2016-12-03T20:51:58.340" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21577" PostId="8966" Score="0" Text="Thank you for this question (and the answers it got). As a C++ programmer I am tired of all the &quot;my crappy C/C++ code raises segfault&quot; questions on SO, so I understand the community's attitude. So, as a non-professional who *would* post basic questions, I accept the only answer I got here (now I know why) and say farewell." CreationDate="2016-12-09T07:56:30.703" UserId="330582" />
  <row Id="21598" PostId="8966" Score="0" Text="I wonder where you draw the line for low rep. My questions often go without answer as well :). Probably because I ask stupid questions." CreationDate="2016-12-13T17:49:16.850" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21557" PostId="8967" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your feedback, I get where you are coming from. Tell me how would I recommend a change? I have an idea that might fly. What if you made each new user than signed up watch a sort video about how the site works and then answer 5 simple questions, no rep boost and yes some will not watch and just guess the right answers, but there could be a lot of new users that will understand the importance and time other user take to answer their question." CreationDate="2016-12-02T23:09:04.033" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21558" PostId="8967" Score="1" Text="I don't think it'd do anything useful.  Also, remember this platform isn't controlled by us, the users; any changes would have to be made by the Stack Overflow Inc developers, and would almost certainly be a network-wide change (ie not something just for SF).  If you wanted to discuss those kinds of things, meta.stackexchange.com would probably be a better place." CreationDate="2016-12-03T03:34:27.647" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="21569" PostId="8967" Score="0" Text="@AnthonyFornito, :) I experienced same thing, I believe that the best sort is voting (no reputation loss for down vote of question) and flagging (unclear, broad), I don't think that it need extra threshold to pass. I usually verify the users (lower then 100 in same site) if they accepted some question before and if they have the *Informed* badge. Also user over 100 (which may come from other site in SE network), I like to know more about the asker to know how to answer. Combination of lack of user info &amp; I'm not quiet sure about answer, I leave it." CreationDate="2016-12-08T10:51:34.997" UserId="79479" />
  <row Id="21572" PostId="8967" Score="0" Text="People seem to forget (high rep) or don't know (low rep) that on a per question basis UIPs are community oversight. Sadly, many high rep users have really bad participation rates when it comes to community oversight (voting). We're not giving away PhD's and you shouldn't need to solve the halting problem to get an upvote but clearly many people who should know better act like this is the case." CreationDate="2016-12-08T19:56:02.567" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21561" PostId="8968" Score="1" Text="I think that trickle overstated the rate of flow." CreationDate="2016-12-03T17:21:24.553" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21570" PostId="8968" Score="0" Text="+1, I would note atleast that everyone is in the same boat for rep's gain. Thus a SF user with 500 points there mean he participated, while on SO he's still a low-rep newbie." CreationDate="2016-12-08T14:08:32.123" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21573" PostId="8968" Score="0" Text="I think it's less that there isn't much voting as much as that there are enough questions that a power user can't read through and vote on all or most of them, so many questions just don't get many views from the type of people who support a lot of the rep-gathering in early sites." CreationDate="2016-12-08T21:25:21.163" UserId="12214" />
  <row Id="21574" PostId="8968" Score="0" Text="Volume of questions isn't the cause of lack of voting.  Even when there there were fewer questions per day, there were never more than a few (and maybe [only one](http://serverfault.com/users?tab=Voters&amp;filter=all) ) who read and voted on a significant number of questions.  If you go back through meta.SF, there are many posts about the lack of voting, going back to the early days." CreationDate="2016-12-09T06:28:51.083" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="21575" PostId="8968" Score="0" Text="You can see how bad the lack of voting has become if you look at the year-to-date stats.  I got burned out and took a break _months_ ago, and I'm still tops for the year.  Then look at Iain at #2 - who's also burned out - and then of the top 20 voters this year, 15 of them are long-standing regulars.  Anyone with a tiny bit of rep can vote and if anyone cared to try, at 40 votes/day it only takes 3 months to do as much as I did all year." CreationDate="2016-12-09T06:31:55.070" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="21576" PostId="8968" Score="1" Text="Maybe a nice mod could highlight [this question.](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3706/how-to-deal-with-bad-questions-vote)  &quot;We have to stick them with pins!&quot;" CreationDate="2016-12-09T06:33:57.577" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="21649" PostId="8968" Score="1" Text="The voting horse has long bolted - we're well into the death march now." CreationDate="2016-12-15T06:33:03.647" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21650" PostId="8968" Score="0" Text="@Hanginoninquietdesperation agree - most of us that have been here for years are burnt out here.  The questions aren't necessarily to blame, just that the days of active participation all day long on a second screen just aren't here anymore for a lot of us." CreationDate="2016-12-15T14:18:44.263" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="21563" PostId="8969" Score="2" Text="I'm not even convinced your question was entirely off-topic, just poorly received because it is a clear development / home environment. Regardless, a lot of people end up in the same situation as you when posting here and you took it very well, thank you." CreationDate="2016-12-05T05:38:44.540" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21566" PostId="8972" Score="0" Text="The problem is around work network." CreationDate="2016-12-07T09:58:02.107" UserId="177532" />
  <row Id="21571" PostId="8973" Score="3" Text="People seem to forget (high rep) or don't know (low rep) that on a per question basis UIPs are community oversight. Sadly, many high rep users have really bad participation rates when it comes to community oversight (voting). We're not giving away PhD's and you shouldn't need to solve the halting problem to get an upvote but clearly many people who should know better act like this is the case." CreationDate="2016-12-08T19:55:51.743" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21578" PostId="8975" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I am flagging one of my question in SF." CreationDate="2016-12-09T14:18:34.777" UserId="250067" />
  <row Id="21579" PostId="8977" Score="0" Text="Ah ok, that explains it.... Thanks!" CreationDate="2016-12-10T10:10:33.767" UserId="388837" />
  <row Id="21580" PostId="8977" Score="4" Text="As (one of?) the people who flagged that reply as very low quality, you really didn't miss anything @Xymanek I promise you, it was very basic &quot;congratulations on managing to navigate to the hamachi website without setting fire to your computer somehow, now here's how to double-click the installer&quot; stuff." CreationDate="2016-12-10T18:24:02.437" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="21582" PostId="8977" Score="0" Text="Too bad, I was hoping so much for answer.... Thanks for info @RobMoir" CreationDate="2016-12-11T13:09:25.690" UserId="388837" />
  <row Id="21581" PostId="8978" Score="8" Text="Sometimes, going to the vendor is the correct thing to do. This is true of the WHM/cPanel support questions." CreationDate="2016-12-11T12:43:37.817" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21583" PostId="8978" Score="2" Text="cpanel is a special case. as we support what lies underneath, not the tool that customize the whole system over the other tools. not to forget that usually we would help cpanel user, not the server admin, as usually the admin got a support contract and would just reformat the box in case of a trouble. so as iain told, in must cpanel issue it would end up in cpanel support anyhow, as a customized tool, giving advice for the beneath tool could make more damage than anything." CreationDate="2016-12-11T15:41:12.020" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21584" PostId="8978" Score="2" Text="Seems like for Every technology, we should always contact the vendors, or the product developers. so whats the use of serverfault? (stackexchange) i think it kills the purpose of building such websites where  ppl can get help, when they cannot get help from anyone else.. also when they ask complicated questions, other people benefit from them as well.&#xA;If everyone solve their issues by Vendors, then would there be Any use of stackexchange? i think no. so its better to shut this site down for good&#xA;@Hanginoninquietdesperation" CreationDate="2016-12-11T18:27:56.990" UserId="100156" />
  <row Id="21585" PostId="8978" Score="1" Text="@yagmoth555 : how is anyone suppose to make sure that every question that comes,its Precisely only related to cPanel? it could be any other issue, just because its based on cPanel,it means no one should touch any question related to it ? how does it makes any sense?" CreationDate="2016-12-11T18:30:54.080" UserId="100156" />
  <row Id="21593" PostId="8978" Score="2" Text="@Farhan [I want to say these should be left open, but these panels muck about so much with the system that, unless one is a frequent cPanel user (which none of the SF &quot;Answerers&quot; are), it's impossible to know what exactly cPanel is managing and what it's leaving alone.](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/8056/218888)" CreationDate="2016-12-13T07:45:27.170" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21594" PostId="8978" Score="0" Text="i agree, but there are hundreds of )probably thousands) of cases, where it Not the cPanel or any WHM... so you mean to say if that is the case, serverfault should be banned to be used for those issues? or such issues should be denied that they dont exist?" CreationDate="2016-12-13T08:16:20.570" UserId="100156" />
  <row Id="21595" PostId="8978" Score="0" Text="@Farhan to put it in context, when cpanel question got called offtopic, a lot, lot of cpanel question was unanswered. As Reace mention it, it scramble the system and it's really hard to answer in SE style (question/direct answer). The best option if someday you want cpanel question back would be to have like cpanel's support watch the cpanel's tag to help out. (as like Microsoft do with the internet-explorer tag on SO)" CreationDate="2016-12-13T14:04:03.923" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21601" PostId="8978" Score="1" Text="@Farhan What I'm saying is that unless you are very proficient in troubleshooting cPanel, the issue is likely clouded by the fact that cPanel changes so much about the core system. As such it is usually / nearly always much faster to contact cPanel support. And if you are a professional sysadmin with a licensed cPanel instance, you should have access to their support." CreationDate="2016-12-14T08:11:53.183" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="22582" PostId="8978" Score="0" Text="@Farhan `Spiceworks` for the win" CreationDate="2019-01-22T21:06:20.873" UserId="275298" />
  <row Id="22585" PostId="8978" Score="0" Text="@lain: you are right, you said &quot;sometimes&quot; not Always good.&#xA;so Sometime we should go and ask from other sources too. venders are not always reliable and provide all solutions" CreationDate="2019-01-23T21:08:24.307" UserId="100156" />
  <row Id="21587" PostId="8979" Score="7" Text="For future references, most people here are professional sysadmins. And the administrators and regulars almost all are. So saying `I asked my sysadmin to do it, and got generic non-helpful responses.` Is maybe not the best way to state what steps you did to resolve your problem. Also EEAA was hardly overzealous here, in the function of your question you are an end-user of the mysql server, not its administrator. And he gave you an answer in the comments." CreationDate="2016-12-12T08:27:39.763" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21589" PostId="8979" Score="0" Text="An issue that is commonly perceived on the stack exchange sites is overzealous moderation. I run into that feeling too.  &#xA;&#xA;I agree that EEAA was not overzealous given the rules. I also think he did a really bad job of explaining them to me. He took the time to post an explanation (or the software did) but that explanation did not match my post.&#xA;&#xA;Imagine you were stopped from entering a theater. When you're turned away, the usher says &quot;Only people with tickets and no hats are allowed in.&quot; You look down, you have a ticket, and you're not wearing a hat. How would you feel?" CreationDate="2016-12-12T21:31:50.500" UserId="54382" />
  <row Id="21590" PostId="8979" Score="0" Text="If he had said instead &quot;You need full control of your system for this exchange.&quot; I would have thanked him, apologized for posting in the wrong place, and felt good about the transaction. (Like I did once Sven pointed out the appropriate rule). &#xA;&#xA;Communication is important." CreationDate="2016-12-12T21:32:48.867" UserId="54382" />
  <row Id="21591" PostId="8979" Score="1" Text="Yes, but he tried to answer you even if its offtopic. In the final atleast he commented, as even I stopped to comment on closed question as most of the time, unlike you, a lot of user take it personnal and start hating comment after a comment. Its good to help someone that take it like you, but we walk on egg when we comment a closed question. My point is, atleast he commented, and even tried to answer you, as such a comment of like ´we cant help' as you are not the admin, can start something bad" CreationDate="2016-12-12T23:00:21.807" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21592" PostId="8979" Score="2" Text="@JoshuaD My Point was not to defend EEAA. My Point was that you probably made a bit first impression. By starting of with a sentence that implies you don't believe the sysadmins who maintains the server's opinion is worth considering. While asking for help in a Q&amp;A full of sysadmins. How would you like it if a moviegoer with no pants on walked up to you (an usher) in the cinema and went &quot;your colleague won't let me in because of some stupid rule, how can I sneak in?&quot;." CreationDate="2016-12-13T06:52:34.833" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21658" PostId="8980" Score="0" Text="What Sven said.  Check the topicality rules on dba.stackexchange.com;  your question might fit in there." CreationDate="2016-12-19T22:40:45.630" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="21596" PostId="8981" Score="0" Text="I agree with you, I do like seeing new users who at least look like they have read the Tour Page, and have a 1 rep, your questions are ones I would help to answer, I just hate to see the 2 liners, with no details and you have to comment 20 times to get the full picture. +1 PS: “You must have 50 reputation points to comment” Should be 10 Sorry your question has not been answered yet, I wonder if there is a way to bump..." CreationDate="2016-12-13T16:48:24.010" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21597" PostId="8981" Score="2" Text="Ah, but getting an answer mean we got an active database of active user that **can** help you out on your subject, and low rep user keep discouraging active member, see the bad cycle ?" CreationDate="2016-12-13T17:42:25.607" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21600" PostId="8981" Score="4" Text="If you want your questions answered then you should pay someone to do so. Until then you are at the mercy of people who volunteer a bit of their lives to help you. If no one chooses to to that then tough. You get what you pay for" CreationDate="2016-12-14T06:08:23.547" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21602" PostId="8981" Score="0" Text="@Anthony Fornito : Thank you for the rep bounty :)&#xA;&#xA;yagmoth555 : The bad cycle is what I thought this discussion was trying to solve.  That’s why I added what I did.&#xA;&#xA;Hangin on in quiet desperation : I’m confused by your name.  At first I thought you meant that you were still ‘here’ on Stack Exchange waiting till it got better.  But your comment indicates you think Stack Exchange is dead?, useless?, pointless?  And you’re waiting until it completely dies and a pay model replaces it?&#xA;&#xA;@ [Minus] voters: Please explain how trying to help Stack Exchange become better is a negative event?" CreationDate="2016-12-14T15:38:22.887" UserId="378935" />
  <row Id="21627" PostId="8981" Score="1" Text="And there was me thinking I was being fairly direct.  When you post a question on an SE site there is a fairly good chance you'll get an answer but it's not guaranteed. if you want answers then pay for them - simples. _It's the English way_" CreationDate="2016-12-14T17:34:50.473" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21629" PostId="8981" Score="3" Text="Oh and downvotes on meta are people disagreeing with you which is easy as your answer read like a rant." CreationDate="2016-12-14T17:39:15.140" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21660" PostId="8981" Score="0" Text="@Hanginoninquietdesperation Fair enough I guess, it should be a comment on OP's post that he could then integrate into his discussion topic." CreationDate="2016-12-21T17:37:54.727" UserId="378935" />
  <row Id="21605" PostId="8983" Score="3" Text="Whipped this up follow it if you think its a good idea, http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/105064/learning-guides" CreationDate="2016-12-14T15:44:24.083" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21610" PostId="8983" Score="5" Text="I am personally not interested in this, so I wont back it, but I very much like that you took a constructive approach to your frustration. Thank you!" CreationDate="2016-12-14T15:57:43.677" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21626" PostId="8983" Score="0" Text="The whole thing may be relevant but the last paragraph definitely is https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8465/where-do-questions-regarding-labs-for-enterprise-equipment-software-belong-if/8467#8467." CreationDate="2016-12-14T17:22:15.140" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21628" PostId="8983" Score="0" Text="That really grinds my gears, by saying you as a mod can simply mark it as off-topic and not give any rhyme or reason but the generic responses of &quot;You off topic because XYZ&quot;, Then when asked for help you say sorry not my job? Really kind of reminds me of the kids that picked on all through high school and now has a little bit of power and instead of making the site better and more progressive his thoughts and views are law. I know you have a lot of supporters but gooleing alternative to SE is a hot topic, sooner or later you will be replaced, Im kind of hoping for sooner right now." CreationDate="2016-12-14T17:35:31.743" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21630" PostId="8983" Score="0" Text="@sven it got shot down really rather quickly, perhaps you could provide some assistance in getting that setup? http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/105064/learning-guides I have seen a lot of times when questions are migrated to other sites, and just searching for &quot;How to learn&quot; yield a lot of results that are either off-topic or closed. Therefore i disagree with why it was closed on the bases they tried it and it didn't work. Maybe it didnt work back then but could work now especially if the mods run across these questions and migrate them to a more helpful site. No?" CreationDate="2016-12-14T17:48:07.187" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21631" PostId="8983" Score="1" Text="I replied this to your original post, before checking meta. So I'll put it here again, precedence doesn't mean anything here. Rules change, scopes narrow. As for your three examples, 2 are now closed, and the first one isn't specifically looking for learning materials, but for the possible values in a known parameter. Which I wouldn't consider asking for learning materials and on topic here." CreationDate="2016-12-14T18:16:18.417" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21632" PostId="8983" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your input" CreationDate="2016-12-14T18:17:12.213" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21634" PostId="8983" Score="0" Text="I just saw your area51 suggestion and saw the closure stating that the entire network no longer supports recommendation for learning materials and software / hardware. My apologies, I personally started with the CCNA course material and [video's on Lynda](https://www.lynda.com/Network-Administration-training-tutorials/2067-0.html?category=cisco_1130) that my company provided." CreationDate="2016-12-14T18:30:09.260" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21635" PostId="8983" Score="0" Text="Sorry, can't do anything about that - I don't have any more input into the way SE operates then you or anyone else not employed at the company." CreationDate="2016-12-14T18:49:08.537" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21636" PostId="8983" Score="0" Text="So do they actually care or are they just checking their bank accounts every hour to see how many bills have flowed in? Is there actually a place where you can see if the site has any upcoming changes, or anything to that nature? I have seen a lot of posts on meta that if I were running the company I would at the least want to be made aware of however it seems that most if not all go unaddressed. Meanwhile the thankless mods keep those bills following in without any thanks from the owners, beside a t-shirt.Why do it? What are you gaining?" CreationDate="2016-12-14T18:55:25.720" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21638" PostId="8983" Score="0" Text="`Is there actually a place where you can see if the site has any upcoming changes,` There is a weekly stackexchange podcast, that isn't that great, but that includes occasional announcements about changes and new features.  Unfortunately, what you will probably learn from the podcast, is that stackoverflow is really main focus, followed by the careers service, and the rest of the sites seem to be a relatively low priority." CreationDate="2016-12-14T19:39:17.163" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="21639" PostId="8983" Score="0" Text="@AnthonyFornito I would turn the question around, why you started to help ?" CreationDate="2016-12-14T19:59:46.087" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21640" PostId="8983" Score="0" Text="Bored at work mostly, but thanks for noticing :)" CreationDate="2016-12-14T20:00:19.680" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21642" PostId="8983" Score="0" Text="Is it kind of like facebook which I don't use where your a king in the internet world but outside of than no one really cares?" CreationDate="2016-12-14T20:01:39.000" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21643" PostId="8983" Score="1" Text="No, I learn every day. I can see problem here that I never see at my job, some answer help to be more expert in some category, but we all help for our reason." CreationDate="2016-12-14T20:04:48.823" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21644" PostId="8983" Score="1" Text="@AnthonyFornito Serverfault is a great teaching tool. I learn about issues I haven't encountered, and I learn how to formulate technical solutions in a proper way. I also at times ask questions, although I don't really get many answers, because I ask mostly stupid questions :D" CreationDate="2016-12-14T20:47:15.527" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21657" PostId="8983" Score="0" Text="Interesting read https://hackernoon.com/the-decline-of-stack-overflow-7cb69faa575d#.2jh79dyr0" CreationDate="2016-12-16T18:49:04.680" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21662" PostId="8983" Score="0" Text="@AnthonyFornito Thanks for the article, it's interesting. I personally think that each community got their pro&amp;con. As myself I switched from another platform to come here, as there you can share info like that with the moderator and talk to them at least. The other place I was on was the exact opposite, impersonal." CreationDate="2016-12-23T14:44:58.047" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21609" PostId="8984" Score="2" Text="I somewhat disagree with your last paragraph. Not everyone has a spare set of network components lying around that you can mess with while learning. GNS3 etc. are certainly useful products and wanting to use them is quite legitimate - it's just OT here to search for this kind of tool." CreationDate="2016-12-14T15:53:35.657" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21611" PostId="8984" Score="2" Text="@Sven Sure, but a professional admin (in this specific case, for example) should not have trouble scrounging up something with Cisco IOS on which to learn the Cisco CLI." CreationDate="2016-12-14T16:00:50.150" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="21633" PostId="8984" Score="2" Text="Even when I was still working at a helpdesk, I had training materials available for basic stuff such as the Cisco CLI. There are cheap courses available online and a lot of businesses that employ sysadmins have books and course material at hand from when their other admins needed to take their certification exams. So you often don't even need networking gear right away when you are in an IT job and have shown interest in networking + are willing to put in the extra time." CreationDate="2016-12-14T18:25:42.640" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21603" PostId="8985" Score="0" Text="That was awesome by the way marking one of my examples as off topic once I post it here, classic  move." CreationDate="2016-12-14T15:42:13.087" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21604" PostId="8985" Score="5" Text="Yes, and it's entirely transparent when this was marked as off-topic by the time stamp, so that shouldn't be a problem." CreationDate="2016-12-14T15:44:01.720" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21612" PostId="8985" Score="0" Text="How about in your spare time you create a better solution for off-topic posts. Think about a time when you have had a problem and there was no solution just a sign that said &quot;NOPE&quot;. How frustrating was that? Wouldn't it have been better defused with a solution? A better response would be to design a database that has canned responses for each off topic topic, and when a question is marked as off topic you can select a reason and give a couple good solutions, such as: sorry this is not the place for your question but try this site or this site and if none of them answer it try area 51" CreationDate="2016-12-14T16:05:57.540" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21616" PostId="8985" Score="0" Text="Alright man go an about your day, stop deleting my comments, you answered over 1000 questions on SF and asked only 1, I respect that." CreationDate="2016-12-14T16:18:08.023" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21617" PostId="8985" Score="9" Text="@AnthonyFornito `How about in your spare time you create a better solution for off-topic posts.`  What a repulsive, entitled suggestion that is.  Mods already have a thankless job that they do in their &quot;spare time&quot;, they don't need more thankless crap piled onto it." CreationDate="2016-12-14T16:23:19.153" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="21620" PostId="8985" Score="0" Text="And your point is what exactly, If you dont like you job get a new one, after I looked up Sven activity I had a change of heart, he is a major contributer to the site, I did think it was wrong of him to mark a question as off-topic once i posted it here. Thats why i said what i said and am annoyed it got deleted." CreationDate="2016-12-14T16:32:08.630" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21621" PostId="8985" Score="9" Text="Nobody contributes here for a job, we all do it to help others with our free time - read the help pages, observe the workings of the site, then you'll understand like tens of thousands before you have, ignoring this and just assuming you're right about what the site is for and what it's not is rude and disrespectful." CreationDate="2016-12-14T16:43:53.983" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="21622" PostId="8985" Score="0" Text="Does anyone get paid for being a moderator?" CreationDate="2016-12-14T16:53:28.703" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21624" PostId="8985" Score="2" Text="@AnthonyFornito No, we must definitely do not get paid." CreationDate="2016-12-14T17:19:54.390" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21625" PostId="8985" Score="1" Text="@AnthonyFornito Community elected moderators don't get paid (although I did get a T-shirt once).  Some Stack Exchange employees have moderator privileges on specific sites and other employees have super powers on all sites to deal with situations that can't be handled by the community moderators" CreationDate="2016-12-14T17:21:57.383" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21607" PostId="8986" Score="2" Text="Alright I get what you are saying, but what better place to ask a question about how I can learn something that a place for professional, If you walk into an AA meeting and ask about the best bars to go to im sure you will get a ton of great answers, may not be the topic of discussion." CreationDate="2016-12-14T15:50:36.270" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21608" PostId="8986" Score="1" Text="HBruijn you have comments on some of my questions in the past and are always helpful and I appreciate that, I pospoed a new site on area 51, hopefully it will take off but I have seen area 51 sites sit for months before moving to beta. We will see" CreationDate="2016-12-14T15:52:38.800" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21606" PostId="8987" Score="0" Text="Well like i said there is not better alternative so I guess I will have to suck it up" CreationDate="2016-12-14T15:45:56.740" UserId="195875" />
  <row Id="21651" PostId="8990" Score="0" Text="I don't see why a synonym should be done, just retagging those 7 questions and crossing fingers until 3:00 UTC" CreationDate="2016-12-15T18:36:02.110" UserId="180142" />
  <row Id="21652" PostId="8990" Score="2" Text="@Braiam a synonym is a long term fix as I see it, we don't want to re-have this discussion in two week as the tag can be re-used again" CreationDate="2016-12-15T19:55:10.717" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21653" PostId="8990" Score="0" Text="Considering that the [newest vms question was asked on '13](https://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/vms?sort=newest) and it's a 7 years old tag, I doubt that it will be useful on the short term, much less the long one." CreationDate="2016-12-15T19:59:28.457" UserId="180142" />
  <row Id="21654" PostId="8990" Score="1" Text="@Braiam I prefer the synonym's idea, but maybe you should post that as an answer, and let the community decide, as I agree the tag usage is old." CreationDate="2016-12-15T20:02:25.433" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21655" PostId="8990" Score="1" Text="@Braiam: Agreed, but OpenVMS on AMD64 is coming. :-)" CreationDate="2016-12-15T21:30:57.780" UserId="89813" />
  <row Id="21656" PostId="8990" Score="2" Text="OpenVMS hasn't been a force for a long time i can't see an AMD64 version being much more than a niche hobbyist thing." CreationDate="2016-12-15T21:35:31.247" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21659" PostId="8990" Score="2" Text="Done diddly doodly." CreationDate="2016-12-19T23:59:03.600" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="21667" PostId="8990" Score="0" Text="@Braiam I am a bit at a loss here. What is at 3:00 UTC?" CreationDate="2016-12-27T11:15:34.883" UserId="265350" />
  <row Id="21668" PostId="8990" Score="2" Text="@M.Glatki the time where most script runs on SE." CreationDate="2016-12-27T11:22:56.467" UserId="180142" />
  <row Id="21666" PostId="8992" Score="9" Text="Joyeux Noël! to you too." CreationDate="2016-12-25T12:06:19.687" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21673" PostId="8992" Score="1" Text="And a happy new year !!!" CreationDate="2017-01-01T02:18:34.787" UserId="375095" />
  <row Id="21669" PostId="8995" Score="3" Text="And as for migrating this question to [SO]:It's even *more* off-topic there - they deal with programming and software development." CreationDate="2016-12-30T20:41:50.713" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21670" PostId="8995" Score="0" Text="How is this any different than someone installing a virtual machine and doing a NAT on the host machine's connection. So this is also an unauthorised machine but IT will not be able to control it or? In that sense, I thought the web proxy is what IT cares. All the activity on my username on the web proxy is my responsibility. The purpose of my question is not getting around IT rules. More of a &quot;I have a scrutinised way of accessing web, how can I share it?&quot;." CreationDate="2016-12-30T21:35:06.190" UserId="278199" />
  <row Id="21671" PostId="8995" Score="4" Text="It might not be different from that either, but that's also something that IT has to approve and make it work for you." CreationDate="2016-12-30T21:37:38.760" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21672" PostId="8995" Score="5" Text="And the proper answer to the question (&quot;I have... how can I share it&quot;) is &quot;talk to your IT department&quot;. You do not circumvent them. You do not figure out ways to make it look as though you have only one device while you do in fact have several. And you most definitely do not go to the place where IT department staff congregate to help one another out and try to find help to circumvent them." CreationDate="2016-12-31T11:23:31.173" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="21674" PostId="8999" Score="1" Text="If that's the route we want to go, that's fine. I just haven't seen it put into practice with these very often." CreationDate="2017-01-03T07:36:05.860" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="21675" PostId="8999" Score="3" Text="I can't force people to vote." CreationDate="2017-01-03T07:36:37.113" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21676" PostId="8999" Score="3" Text="@AndrewB I did the same vtc yesterday, the question was to publish a open proxy on the internet..I left a comment, but more than that its lost energy IMO. Those ppl will only learn the day they got hacked and get billed a fortune for the over usage of their services" CreationDate="2017-01-03T17:42:33.760" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21677" PostId="9000" Score="0" Text="You say that but majority of people ask using the office-365 tag, and those are answered fairly regularly. Yet `exchangeonline` has one 20 questions, and actually I've just noticed `exchange-online` was merged into office-365 tag at some point historically. Also the description for the tag includes server side components." CreationDate="2017-01-03T19:55:58.997" UserId="278665" />
  <row Id="21678" PostId="9001" Score="1" Text="I don't find myself agreeing with *&quot;requirements are fixed by peoples with limited IT understanding&quot;* in this instance. Even if we buy into that, answers about mitigating the risk of improperly exposed software are snapshots in time. As a DNS example, [PRS attacks](https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/nanog63-dnstrack-winstead-attacks.pdf) didn't even exist until fairly recently. You end up with several answers that partially cover the scope of the problem (&quot;the answer&quot; does not exist), none of which age well with time. Both are the same reasons why shopping questions are off topic." CreationDate="2017-01-03T20:09:56.457" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="21679" PostId="9001" Score="1" Text="I partially agree with your point of view, however (and unfortunately) I saw *many* times bad tech decisions taken by someout with very questionable tech skills. If a sysadmin is charged to somewhat ameliorate the situation, the SF community can/should support it." CreationDate="2017-01-03T20:29:23.090" UserId="269155" />
  <row Id="21680" PostId="9001" Score="2" Text="If the question is appropriately prefaced so as to not be an [XY problem](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-xy-problem) (in this case, the goal being to avoid discussing [X](http://serverfault.com/questions/634793/how-do-i-set-up-a-secure-open-resolver) at all), perhaps. We definitely don't want to get into the business of aiding people who just want to do the low effort thing with no respect for consequences, which is our primary search engine audience." CreationDate="2017-01-03T20:50:43.607" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="21688" PostId="9002" Score="0" Text="Will you eventually deploy it to production, or are you doing _programming_?" CreationDate="2017-01-06T03:15:01.327" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21691" PostId="9002" Score="0" Text="Its a trial of Always-On as much as anything, this iteration won't be going into production." CreationDate="2017-01-06T09:29:42.607" UserId="374923" />
  <row Id="21682" PostId="9003" Score="2" Text="Yeah, the existing canonical Q&amp;A for open resolvers is targeted at people interested in *creating* them, which is why I didn't VC it as a dupe. A middle line approach isn't bad, but I'd caution against saying &quot;the problem can be solved&quot; as such. Google hasn't solved it, they just have more money to throw at operating one more responsibly. Ultimately that is the problem; &gt;95% of the people who come to about this aren't prepared to invest in what is needed to meet that standard of support. Going into detail as you propose can work, but it should be with the intent of selling that message." CreationDate="2017-01-05T23:32:06.410" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="21683" PostId="9003" Score="0" Text="(and yeah, I glossed over the cookies+`TC=1` approach, but that's because you and I have been down this road before and multiple people who I trust far more than both of us have squashed the `TC=1` approach more times than I can count)" CreationDate="2017-01-05T23:49:01.660" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="21684" PostId="9003" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB I suppose one open question is how large a percentage of DNS clients need to support cookies before server operators are willing to let clients without cookie support have a worse experience. The answer to that question will certainly depend on what the operator's intend with the server is. The fact that DNS cookies is now an official standard certainly changes my opinion on that matter." CreationDate="2017-01-05T23:52:10.180" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="21685" PostId="9003" Score="0" Text="True, if you don't care about the experience of anything that misbehaves, that makes it slightly more workable. (patent problem aside) Regardless, I think it's best to avoid hypothetical future states unless we're going to invite the larger professional body to participate. I'm liking the approach of what it takes *right now* as it is much more quantifiable, and less likely to devolve into obscene hand gestures between R&amp;D people. This isn't to say it couldn't be tossed at the dns-operations mailing list for initial vetting, but I favor reasoning that is more difficult to dispute." CreationDate="2017-01-06T00:02:46.433" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="21686" PostId="9003" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB I'm not sure what you are trying to say. RFC 7873 already exists, but it hasn't been around for long enough yet for everybody to support it. Is there anybody who is actively working against RFC 7873 support?" CreationDate="2017-01-06T00:16:11.750" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="21687" PostId="9003" Score="0" Text="Put another way: DNS cookies are a step in the right direction, but as you touched on it takes discarding/limiting the other traffic or [nebulous something else] to make it work. I'm fine with acknowledging the cookies+discard/limit approach, but proposing *the* [nebulous something else] is inviting too much discussion in comments. (which isn't encouraged outside of meta)" CreationDate="2017-01-06T00:22:54.133" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="21689" PostId="9003" Score="0" Text="@AndrewB DNS cookies won't be worth anything if the server still replies to all requests without cookies. The goal would be a scenario where all requests without cookie support can be silently dropped. But less extreme measures are possible." CreationDate="2017-01-06T08:09:09.073" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="21690" PostId="9003" Score="0" Text="My last comment did not state that all requests would be replied to. All I'm saying is don't drag TCP retries (or anything else that hasn't been vetted before a larger body of professionals) into it." CreationDate="2017-01-06T09:04:22.147" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="21692" PostId="9003" Score="1" Text="Notwithstanding my own efforts to increase the usability of TCP for DNS (see e.g. RFCs 7766 and 7828), universal TC=1 is not the answer.  DNS cookies aren't enough unless combined with more aggressive RRL for non-cookie requests." CreationDate="2017-01-06T09:50:48.337" UserId="216" />
  <row Id="21693" PostId="9003" Score="0" Text="@Alnitak When evaluating the usefulness of enforcing TCP don't forget that the proposed alternative I was reacting to was to not have the server responding at all. A server which enforces TCP will be more useful to the end user than one which does not respond to any request. A quick search suggests DNS can have an amplification factor of as much as 70. If rate limiting is your primary method to fend off such attacks you may have to drop 69 in every 70 requests. I don't know of any client which will retry enough to still be useful under such circumstances." CreationDate="2017-01-06T20:35:10.067" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="21694" PostId="9003" Score="0" Text="@Alnitak Of course you can implement more sophisticated rate limiting, but it soon gets more complicated than the other solutions. And even with the most sophisticated algorithms for rate limiting, there can still be legitimate requests which you don't respond to. What will you do for such requests? If you are going to tell those clients to retry over TCP, you will have a solution which is very complicated and most of the time will behave the same way for the user as the simpler solution of enforcing TCP on every request." CreationDate="2017-01-06T20:39:12.513" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="21695" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="You may as well ship those people a DVD too. This will be far more expensive in terms of bandwidth, unless you got a _really_ good deal from your datacenter..." CreationDate="2017-01-07T17:20:08.343" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21696" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="Less than 3% of our users have Vimeo blocked, the bandwidth costs are minimal. Also, this is B2B, we don't deal with a lot of users. Overnighting DVDs around the globe is time consuming, not cheap, and we cannot track whether the users watched the video, which is required by Federal Regulations in this space (we have to rely on their signature and it creates a lot of paperwork). Our DC is AWS BTW ;)" CreationDate="2017-01-07T17:23:40.263" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="21697" PostId="9006" Score="1" Text="Well, then. As long as you're sure of your numbers." CreationDate="2017-01-07T17:27:44.893" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21698" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="Yes, even if it was cheaper to overnight a DVD to South Korea, our business is to deliver the materials instantly and track progress of the training. Thanks Michael." CreationDate="2017-01-07T17:29:23.373" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="21699" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="Then host those video ? Why you host them on another open platform ? that mean a user that dont pay can see the same video as someone that pay?" CreationDate="2017-01-07T19:09:22.927" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21700" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="The videos are not pay per view, but they are not open to the public. They are proprietary. Not sure I understand your question." CreationDate="2017-01-07T19:42:39.883" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="21701" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="My question is why you dont host the video directly." CreationDate="2017-01-07T21:14:47.187" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21702" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="Aside from stored, online video needs to be transcoded (multiple formats need to be stored + cost/time to transcode), served (bandwidth costs), tracked (we cannot come close to building the analytics infrastructure OVNs have) and CDN'ed (which we can do but it comes bundled more cost effectively in an OVN service). Most importantly, an OVN is the most cost effective way to use these services together." CreationDate="2017-01-07T21:32:31.440" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="21704" PostId="9006" Score="5" Text="One person's &quot;creative solution&quot; is another person's policy circumvention." CreationDate="2017-01-07T23:00:29.333" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21705" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="@EEAA We produce and own the videos, we can serve them from anywhere we want. That is our servers, kaltura, vimeo or elsewhere. Which policy is being circumvented when we relay the videos from a blocked OVN to our servers? If they wanted to block video streaming they would and we would have to mail a DVD." CreationDate="2017-01-07T23:34:03.913" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="21706" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="What is the difference between you being a proxy for the videos and an employee using a proxy site to access resources that would otherwise be blocked?" CreationDate="2017-01-07T23:35:37.303" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21707" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="The same difference between me making sure my videos are available via as many ways as possible and an employee accessing videos they should not access." CreationDate="2017-01-07T23:39:17.097" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="21709" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="Changing title to &quot;which policy is being circumvented&quot;, which is the determinant whether or not the original question is suitable for SF." CreationDate="2017-01-07T23:55:01.103" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="21713" PostId="9006" Score="1" Text="If you don't like our policy then please go elsewhere for your free support you won't be missed." CreationDate="2017-01-08T06:53:29.237" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21716" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="Being rude and stating the obvious adds nothing to the conversation." CreationDate="2017-01-08T16:47:59.327" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="21722" PostId="9006" Score="3" Text="`This is a creative solution`.  This is also a narrow edge case, narrowed by your focus on what you perceive as a problem, with a solution that is confined to your highly-filtered view of how to solve it. That is two additional problems with this question. A question too narrow may not be of benefit to many others, and may not a good candidate for the forum. A question that requires a solution is confined to very narrow requirements or a highly-filtered view of how to solve it by the person asking for help limits the abilities of others to address what may be the real problem." CreationDate="2017-01-08T19:16:53.697" UserId="20701" />
  <row Id="21723" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="@GregAskew, thank you, that is constructive feedback." CreationDate="2017-01-08T20:08:51.743" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="21724" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="@Gaia As the deleted comments on your other question indicate, you're hardly in a position to call people out for being rude." CreationDate="2017-01-08T20:45:27.317" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21728" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 here's one off the top of my head: https://laracasts.com/discuss/channels/general-discussion/what-video-streaming-service-did-laracasts-use. Additionally, you might not see and I am not sure about Pluralsight or MSVM specifically, but a lot of training portals use white labeled services (as we do), such as Kaltura, Ooyala or Brightcove. Vimeo would not block our Business paid account, and this could happen to any other provider we could choose. Not sure I understand what you mean by competitor raising a copyright issue." CreationDate="2017-01-09T01:13:33.453" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="21729" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="OK everyone, let's keep the comments on-topic here. This is not the venue to debate how the OP has designed their solution." CreationDate="2017-01-09T01:26:41.077" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21730" PostId="9006" Score="0" Text="@EEAA I agree, I went too far for meta.  On a side note, now that I know the OP use a paid account, with priority support included, the question should be asked to them directly, as a quick search on their forum show me hes not alone with that problem." CreationDate="2017-01-09T12:51:04.737" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21703" PostId="9008" Score="0" Text="Thanks, answer is written.  I'll accept it in a day or two." CreationDate="2017-01-07T21:39:11.813" UserId="22361" />
  <row Id="21714" PostId="9008" Score="7" Text="@ExUmbris I'd already upvoted your question.  Now I've gone back to upvote your answer as well.  Would that every fairly-low-rep user put this much thought into their questions, and the maintenance thereof." CreationDate="2017-01-08T07:43:48.067" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="21715" PostId="9008" Score="5" Text="Thanks for the kind words.  I hope the question and answer help someone in the future (which is the whole point of Stack Exchange:-)" CreationDate="2017-01-08T07:48:46.793" UserId="22361" />
  <row Id="22812" PostId="9008" Score="0" Text="After working in cloud infrastructure, it became about 50/50 whether I'd check hardware or software logs first - usually leaning whichever way I thought had better diagnostics in the problematic area. Document as much as you can about the software symptoms of the hardware fault - someday someone will thank you." CreationDate="2019-11-08T20:33:50.573" UserId="375609" />
  <row Id="21710" PostId="9010" Score="0" Text="What is the difference between self hosting and relaying the video thru our server? The video is coming from our servers either way, but in your opinion whether the video sits on our server OR is being relayed thru our server *determines* whether policy is or isn't being circumvented. The end result is the same, but one method constitutes circumvention." CreationDate="2017-01-08T00:28:33.577" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="21711" PostId="9010" Score="0" Text="How about this? My application sits on a server on the Google Cloud. The videos are stored on S3. S3 is blocked by the client's firewall. We only serve the video thru our application server. Is policy being circumvented in this case?" CreationDate="2017-01-08T00:28:46.740" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="21712" PostId="9010" Score="3" Text="Well yes, because there is clearly a policy to block s3." CreationDate="2017-01-08T06:48:03.310" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21717" PostId="9011" Score="0" Text="I'm curious, not doubtful, where is this long standing policy mentioned?" CreationDate="2017-01-08T16:51:20.860" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="21718" PostId="9011" Score="0" Text="Here on meta of course, http://meta.serverfault.com/q/2497/9517, http://meta.serverfault.com/q/1216/9517, http://meta.serverfault.com/q/6131/9517 and probably more [here](http://meta.serverfault.com/search?q=policy) if you care to sift through it." CreationDate="2017-01-08T17:01:36.027" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21719" PostId="9011" Score="0" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/a/2647/9517" CreationDate="2017-01-08T17:18:36.990" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21720" PostId="9011" Score="0" Text="Over a quarter of the answers there state that context should be taken in consideration: http://i.imgur.com/NL8F0UZ.png http://i.imgur.com/qSASZbi.png http://i.imgur.com/fXGKMu1.png, which is not happening here. It is also assumed that relaying our content thru our server, which works exactly because it doesn't break firewall policy (if they wanted to block all video streaming they would block all video streaming) is circumvention, when it is really adaptation. Everyone looked at it as if this is some binary issue. No one asked for context, except Michael Hampton." CreationDate="2017-01-08T18:16:59.763" UserId="34560" />
  <row Id="21721" PostId="9011" Score="0" Text="That means that 3/4 didn't. Your question is closed. It's so unlikely to be reopened that I'm walking away now and not coming back so don't waste your life on me and I'll reciprocate." CreationDate="2017-01-08T19:05:53.630" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21731" PostId="9016" Score="2" Text="You're not being nit-picky at all, those edits just make the answer less clear. In the future just roll back, and come to meta if the edits persist." CreationDate="2017-01-12T08:15:04.143" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21732" PostId="9019" Score="4" Text="Such is very often the fate of poorly written questions. I suggest editing it." CreationDate="2017-01-16T00:56:55.557" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21733" PostId="9019" Score="2" Text="I did it, edits are waiting for approval." CreationDate="2017-01-16T01:00:05.187" UserId="251012" />
  <row Id="21734" PostId="9019" Score="4" Text="There's a huge difference between the question that was originally asked and the one you've turned it into with your edits. This should probably be part of our canonical questions and answers." CreationDate="2017-01-17T14:54:43.900" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="21735" PostId="9019" Score="1" Text="Agree, initial question wasn't very well (though, I constantly see them on TechNet forums). I posted here to get some attention because wasn't sure if edits will ever work (to help to reopen the thread). I'm not quite experienced with how moderation works on SE." CreationDate="2017-01-17T15:02:14.707" UserId="251012" />
  <row Id="21737" PostId="9022" Score="0" Text="I went ahead and wrote a small answer stating the error." CreationDate="2017-01-24T23:30:32.793" UserId="229216" />
  <row Id="21738" PostId="9023" Score="0" Text="Did you actually use search - I can't believe we don't have a [tag:mod_rewrite] Q&amp;A that answers this already." CreationDate="2017-01-28T07:33:06.707" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21739" PostId="9023" Score="1" Text="Hi, yes I did and reviewed many questions and answers. This is not about mod_rewrite, but about using mod_rewrite in .htaccess and **afterwards** parsing the **resulting** request file with php-fpm" CreationDate="2017-01-28T09:02:54.943" UserId="81774" />
  <row Id="21741" PostId="9024" Score="2" Text="outofmemoeyerror isn't Linux specific." CreationDate="2017-01-29T16:38:00.097" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21740" PostId="9025" Score="0" Text="Sorry. I meant outofmemoryerror" CreationDate="2017-01-29T13:46:50.563" UserId="215599" />
  <row Id="21788" PostId="9025" Score="0" Text="OutOfMemoryError is probably [Java exception](https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/lang/OutOfMemoryError.html).  Thus it is completely different beast from kernel states and can't be merged too." CreationDate="2017-02-24T20:48:10.170" UserId="395345" />
  <row Id="21742" PostId="9026" Score="0" Text="If that question isn't *explain google's billing practices to me*, I guess I don't understand what it is at all.  What do you want to know?  Are you simply asking how it can be part of someone's business model to have a VPS that doesn't run the whole time?" CreationDate="2017-01-31T07:51:29.503" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="21743" PostId="9026" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter 1) I thought I was asking &quot;How do you set up a server on the cloud that runs less than 24x7?&quot; How is that possible? and 2) where on the ask or don't ask sites for serverfault.com does it say that questions about &quot;billing practices&quot; are not allowed?  Its fine it if that is the rules, but please share the rules with the rest of us in WRITTEN FORMAT, ONLINE SOMEWHERE." CreationDate="2017-01-31T08:05:59.853" UserId="213637" />
  <row Id="21744" PostId="9026" Score="0" Text="Slow down, hoss, I didn't say any such thing.  I'm by no means sure your question's on-topic, but I'm still not entirely sure what you're asking.  Are you now saying you want to know how one would technically set up a cloud server not to run 7x24?" CreationDate="2017-01-31T08:08:52.010" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="21746" PostId="9026" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter Yes, exactly.  How is it possible to set up a server that runs less than 24 hours a day?" CreationDate="2017-01-31T08:13:30.290" UserId="213637" />
  <row Id="21752" PostId="9026" Score="7" Text="@zipzit Your tone is very aggressive and makes it hard to take you at face value. Especially if you claim we're wasting your time by not answering your question. It is our own personal time we invest here answering questions, nobody here has any obligation to you." CreationDate="2017-01-31T09:26:35.143" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21747" PostId="9027" Score="0" Text="Good advice, and this answer definitely fits [my question on ServerFault](http://serverfault.com/questions/829578/).   Perhaps you intended it for there? But this answer doesn't address my question here on meta.. The question here on meta.serverfault is &quot;Where on the ask or don't ask sites for serverfault.com does it say that questions about &quot;billing practices&quot; are not allowed? Please share the rules with the rest of us in WRITTEN FORMAT, ONLINE SOMEWHERE.&quot;  Frankly I wrote this question on meta to get the guidelines updated so it was clear that billing related questions are off topic." CreationDate="2017-01-31T09:12:13.953" UserId="213637" />
  <row Id="21748" PostId="9027" Score="0" Text="My answer is intended for here, as it addresses why your original question may be considered off-topic and whether or not this is documented.  Follow the link above to see where &quot;*working with a service provider's management interface*&quot; is explicitly off-topic." CreationDate="2017-01-31T09:13:31.283" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="21749" PostId="9027" Score="0" Text="Are you saying that to make a server run less than 24x7 involves heavy utilization of a specific system's management interface?  I did not know that.  I was responding here based on comments on the other site, all of which spoke about the issue as &quot;pricing&quot;, &quot;billing&quot; or &quot;sales&quot; issues.  But the confusion proves my point. Perhaps an update to the ask/don't ask guidelines is appropriate?" CreationDate="2017-01-31T09:18:57.923" UserId="213637" />
  <row Id="21750" PostId="9027" Score="0" Text="Please don't miss my point.  Before I wrote my posting I checked both the ask/don't ask guidelines sites to verify my question was acceptable. I saw not a single thing about &quot;pricing&quot; &quot;billing&quot; or &quot;sales&quot; related issues.  Had I seen that I would NOT have written the other question in the first place.  I do appreciate your thoughtful input here." CreationDate="2017-01-31T09:21:58.603" UserId="213637" />
  <row Id="21751" PostId="9027" Score="0" Text="No, I am not.  I'm trying to be clear that **if your original question had simply said *How is it possible to set up a cloud server that runs less than 24 hours a day?* we wouldn't be having this discussion**.  Your *actual* original question barely asks that, and asks a lot more off-topic stuff besides.  Focussing on exactly why it's accumulating votes to close is really rather missing the point. I've been pretty clear about what I think you should do in order to get an answer to the question you claim to want to ask.  What you do now is of course up to you, but I'm done debating minutiae." CreationDate="2017-01-31T09:22:09.260" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="21753" PostId="9027" Score="4" Text="@zipzit I'm sure plenty of people here have configured servers to only run at peak time / provision and de-provision depending on load balancers and scheduled servers. Asking how that can be done would probably get an answer. But you need to be concise and stop trying to argue with people. Just try again with a narrower question and less confrontation." CreationDate="2017-01-31T09:27:58.907" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21754" PostId="9027" Score="0" Text="@Reaces, MadHatter, Thank you. Your first sentence &quot;configured servers to only run at peak time / provision and de-provision depending on load balancers and scheduled servers. &quot; is very helpful in giving me appropriate lookup terms. So my original question is definitely not a fit.  Its deleted.  It will take me a day or two to resubmit." CreationDate="2017-01-31T10:03:35.900" UserId="213637" />
  <row Id="21755" PostId="9027" Score="2" Text="@zipzit: Before you are asking another question, please note the following: Questions on [SF] should be concerned with actual technical problems you face and they should be limited in scope so they can be answered in a short(ish) text.  &quot;How does automatic scaling works in general&quot; wouldn't be welcome and &quot;How do I do automatic scaling with EC2 and ELB&quot; would be far too broad and would only be answerable with &quot;RTFM&quot;." CreationDate="2017-01-31T16:50:04.693" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21756" PostId="9027" Score="0" Text="@Sven I think this might be one of those questions that, despite being broad, could attract very comprehensive answers. It is a topic a lot of us have been confronted with in the last few years, and have had to research. It is also something that can be answered broadly without needing to get into specifics that would cause the answer to bloat. If the question were asked I would pose to keep it open for a few days, see if it attracts enough attention." CreationDate="2017-02-01T08:05:10.073" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21760" PostId="9027" Score="0" Text="@Reaces I'm not saying you're wrong about the utility of a general question, probably with a view to canonicalisation, but I'd much rather *you* wrote it.  A really good specimen question seems much more likely to me to generate good canonical answers." CreationDate="2017-02-07T11:58:00.260" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="21768" PostId="9027" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter After looking into it further, I think a canonical answer wouldn't be of much use. It would inevitably devolve into a bunch of links to [pretty comprehensive articles written by the cloud providers](https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/best-practices-auto-scaling). I'll just stick to closing the questions and adding a link to the relevant cloud providers primary documentation on the subject." CreationDate="2017-02-10T07:48:38.777" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21769" PostId="9027" Score="0" Text="@Reaces you've clearly put some thought into that, for which I thank you, and I'm sure you're right." CreationDate="2017-02-10T07:50:11.513" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="22230" PostId="9028" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [Community Promotion Ads - 2018](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/9243/community-promotion-ads-2018)" CreationDate="2018-02-01T19:27:46.577" UserId="57468" />
  <row Id="21757" PostId="9029" Score="0" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting" CreationDate="2017-02-02T14:03:34.307" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="21789" PostId="9029" Score="3" Text="dear god, people have actually been upvoting this abomination. The only thing this twitter account has ever been *reliably* useful for is for posting off topic questions that need to be closed." CreationDate="2017-02-25T16:12:30.870" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="22092" PostId="9029" Score="2" Text="@RobMoir I always though this twitter account was run by our fellow SF admin that work at SO. " CreationDate="2017-08-10T17:03:43.810" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21808" PostId="9038" Score="1" Text="I don't like (anonymous) downvotes ... How can anybody ppossibly be against this kind of ad ... without leaving a comment?" CreationDate="2017-03-09T22:36:38.587" UserId="282070" />
  <row Id="21812" PostId="9038" Score="0" Text="Sorry to &quot;stalk&quot; you around here ... but I was just curious if you succeeded in making your image &quot;dynamic&quot;, ie to make the nr of days go up every day. But it looks like it doesn't show &quot;10 days&quot; now yet (the nr of days to day is 10 .. time flies ...). So unless you want to manually tweak this image every day, maybe replace the &quot;9 days in beta&quot; with something like &quot;In beta since early March&quot;, or otherwise just remove that info from your image?" CreationDate="2017-03-11T16:42:30.273" UserId="282070" />
  <row Id="21813" PostId="9038" Score="1" Text="No worries :) I'ts not &quot;my image&quot; - I needed an imgur copy the 1st time, but then I edited its url to point to the area51's png (check the edit history). The image is already dynamic, but from what I observed it's refreshed about once a day, so it's usually 1 day behind the reality, sometimes even 2, maybe due to cacheing?" CreationDate="2017-03-11T17:27:54.850" UserId="291486" />
  <row Id="21770" PostId="9039" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure I'm bothered about this either way. What makes you dislike the new design so?" CreationDate="2017-02-14T22:26:36.990" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21771" PostId="9039" Score="1" Text="@Reaces It is disgusting, unergonomic, suboptimal. And it is fixed to the top (you will see it even if you scroll down)." CreationDate="2017-02-14T22:32:32.267" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="21773" PostId="9039" Score="0" Text="@JourneymanGeek Where? How?" CreationDate="2017-02-14T23:45:20.743" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="21774" PostId="9039" Score="0" Text="http://stackoverflow.com/users/preferences/current#fixedHeader" CreationDate="2017-02-14T23:46:39.003" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="21775" PostId="9039" Score="0" Text="In addition, customisable tabs would be *ace*. *and* you can probably complain on MSO and let them be the guinea pigs so we get a significantly better experience." CreationDate="2017-02-15T00:13:52.133" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="21776" PostId="9039" Score="0" Text="@JourneymanGeek Thanks! So it is only worse, but not catastrophal. I think the idea is good, although I would start it from a different direction: I would list the most trivial and annoying longstanding problems (f.e.: https support on the meta sites) and then ask, how are these going if they have so many dev resources :-)" CreationDate="2017-02-15T00:26:23.570" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="21777" PostId="9039" Score="0" Text="Different teams I suspect. One does not typically get a plumber to do electrical work. UX folk are a whole different beast from say SRE or backend development, who'd be the ones getting https working. And SE's pretty unique in how its laid out. Hundreds of subdomains and all that." CreationDate="2017-02-15T00:29:04.167" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="21778" PostId="9039" Score="0" Text="@JourneymanGeek SNI exists since winvista+ie7... but there are other unexplained problems as well, although many of them are not SF-related, for example the lack of latex support on the chat and on many sites." CreationDate="2017-02-15T00:34:20.313" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="21785" PostId="9040" Score="5" Text="Upvoted on unix.SE because it's good code. I'm abstaining from an upvote on SF as I don't consider citation nags that must be disabled once for every (user,system) permutation to be enterprise ready." CreationDate="2017-02-17T03:50:22.450" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="21786" PostId="9040" Score="1" Text="I assume you do not mind paying for enterprise ready software. Are you aware that you can buy a version that does not have the citation notice?" CreationDate="2017-02-21T22:58:19.583" UserId="45704" />
  <row Id="21787" PostId="9040" Score="0" Text="You assume much about most UNIX IT shops, unfortunately. Ops teams are under constant pressure to reduce opex expenditures every year, and no one is going to approve an expense to remove a nag that isn't relevant to departments without a public face to begin with. While you're certainly welcome to manage your project as you see fit, please understand that this is valid criticism when you're linking to a project which does *not* advertise itself as a commercial solution on a business IT site." CreationDate="2017-02-21T23:33:18.463" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="21779" PostId="9041" Score="1" Text="This made my day :-)" CreationDate="2017-02-15T00:36:03.470" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="21780" PostId="9041" Score="0" Text="You know what chance have such requests (I estimate around -15 on the meta SE + no responsible people will react), but I will try it. :-)" CreationDate="2017-02-15T00:37:39.733" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="21781" PostId="9041" Score="5" Text="Gotta word it the right way. Try being less combative and clearer about *what* is wrong." CreationDate="2017-02-15T00:38:36.960" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="21782" PostId="9041" Score="0" Text="Why do we need links on the top bar that no one who needs to ever reads ?" CreationDate="2017-02-15T06:22:48.890" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21783" PostId="9041" Score="0" Text="That's a more specific complaint. Beats me, there's a whole blog post on that, and a meta post I posted saying the rest of us are left out on these changes ;p" CreationDate="2017-02-15T06:24:12.327" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="21793" PostId="9044" Score="13" Text="Mostly topicality is [not about your job title or actual job](http://meta.serverfault.com/q/4111/37681), as it is about the quality of the question. (as longs as the subject of your question is topical and you are asking not about home use, development setups etc. etc." CreationDate="2017-03-01T22:10:27.750" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21795" PostId="9044" Score="2" Text="The professional requirement is long gone https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6701/server-fault-needs-professional-quality-questions-not-just-questions-from-profe. I thing the barrier is now as low as 'doesn't drool too much'" CreationDate="2017-03-02T05:28:21.170" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21814" PostId="9044" Score="1" Text="People in such odd roles tend to use technology in odd ways. That's not judgmental. It's more of a consequence that your typical DB is managed by a typical DBA, your average network by a network engineer. That skews the figures for unusual DB's and networks. It's therefore logical that you get the more interesting questions, as documentation will focus on typical uses." CreationDate="2017-03-14T16:09:53.670" UserId="93407" />
  <row Id="21815" PostId="9044" Score="0" Text="@MSalters &quot;Odd&quot; would be the understatement of the year." CreationDate="2017-03-14T17:18:59.293" UserId="199695" />
  <row Id="21806" PostId="9045" Score="7" Text="Mainly I agree, except (2): in my opinion, the administrative permissions of the sysadms are generally more restrict in professional environment. Typically, they have access only to a small part of a complex system, and nobody really has full access on the whole (except maybe some boss, but he doesn't really use it)." CreationDate="2017-03-09T18:14:36.807" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="21807" PostId="9045" Score="4" Text="@peterh I guess the nuance there is that one has full administrative permissions on the subsystem they are asking about." CreationDate="2017-03-09T18:25:11.447" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21794" PostId="9046" Score="3" Text="Heh, well, to be fair (and somewhat philosophical), every single person that has ever posted anything anywhere by definition is a 100% accurate portrayal of a human, facepalminess and all." CreationDate="2017-03-02T01:43:35.870" UserId="199695" />
  <row Id="21802" PostId="9046" Score="3" Text="Monkeys.  Typewriters.  Stir to combine and bake for 30 minutes in a moderate oven." CreationDate="2017-03-03T01:29:33.823" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="21796" PostId="9047" Score="18" Text="On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog ." CreationDate="2017-03-02T13:02:53.957" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21798" PostId="9047" Score="11" Text="Professional questions about professional setups, not necessarily by professional admins..." CreationDate="2017-03-02T15:14:18.323" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21800" PostId="9047" Score="8" Text="@istheEnglishway woof." CreationDate="2017-03-02T21:10:35.627" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="21801" PostId="9047" Score="2" Text="I would never have guessed @MadHatter" CreationDate="2017-03-02T21:24:35.827" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21803" PostId="9047" Score="2" Text="https://xkcd.com/1530/" CreationDate="2017-03-03T02:29:47.450" UserId="199695" />
  <row Id="21805" PostId="9047" Score="1" Text="@JasonC: &quot;All your hands&quot;" CreationDate="2017-03-09T17:42:42.903" UserId="72833" />
  <row Id="21799" PostId="9048" Score="1" Text="You missed a `non` in there between _about_ and _professional setups_ . SF is a place for (mostly) amateurs to ask questions of (mostly) professionals." CreationDate="2017-03-02T15:51:49.340" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21809" PostId="9048" Score="1" Text="It is unavoidable, most professional sysadms have only a little need to ask." CreationDate="2017-03-10T15:50:32.470" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="21804" PostId="9049" Score="5" Text="Yes... it is the wrong place... How is it that you think the SF community could assist or advise you on what you think is a legal matter? Even if any of us had an inkling about the legal machinations involved, our input would be anecdotal and non-authoritative and it would be unwise for anyone to heed such. If you really feel this is a legal matter then your best course of action would be to seek the council of an attorney who specializes in this area." CreationDate="2017-03-07T04:18:07.747" UserId="19152" />
  <row Id="21811" PostId="9051" Score="1" Text="I read you question a couple of days ago and again today. I got bored part way through and still don't really know what you're trying to achieve." CreationDate="2017-03-11T07:08:31.343" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21810" PostId="9052" Score="0" Text="Oh, thanks, skipped right over the `Awarded At: 75 Reputation` part." CreationDate="2017-03-10T21:08:09.997" UserId="357253" />
  <row Id="21816" PostId="9053" Score="5" Text="In short: the community as a whole doesn't vote enough : http://meta.serverfault.com/q/6418/37681" CreationDate="2017-03-15T09:12:53.370" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21817" PostId="9053" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn - not related. Community may be silent, lazy, haters of &quot;gamification&quot;... any really. But in *professional environment* lazy lame questions **must NOT be forced** regardless of votes they have or miss" CreationDate="2017-03-15T09:56:57.103" UserId="96672" />
  <row Id="21818" PostId="9053" Score="0" Text="If bumping now produce bad results, it's time to fix it, not to explain why shit happens. IMNSHO" CreationDate="2017-03-15T09:58:50.487" UserId="96672" />
  <row Id="21819" PostId="9053" Score="0" Text="Make like everyone else, and click **question** and then click **newest**, (but it produce the result as @HBruijn 's told, those question don't get vote (good or bad))" CreationDate="2017-03-15T13:27:50.950" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21820" PostId="9053" Score="0" Text="It *is* related. Things get bumped because they don't have votes." CreationDate="2017-03-16T16:02:13.863" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="21824" PostId="9053" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 - I'm interested **in changed** information also, and prefer do not act as 1001 lemming. It's my style, don't dictate me to change it" CreationDate="2017-03-16T17:52:33.183" UserId="96672" />
  <row Id="21825" PostId="9053" Score="0" Text="@TRiG - OK. &quot;Idiots are idiots because they are idiots&quot;. **Do not kick a dead horse** will be more fair play" CreationDate="2017-03-16T17:54:51.073" UserId="96672" />
  <row Id="21826" PostId="9053" Score="0" Text="@LazyBadger I dont dictate, but for change like you propose you will need to propose on meta stackexchange .. and good luck there, my tone was with that in mind, not against you" CreationDate="2017-03-16T17:55:08.397" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21823" PostId="9054" Score="0" Text="I don't want to vote on middle-quality bullshit &quot;just for peace&quot;. Community User makes monkey-job now, and in shit-style!" CreationDate="2017-03-16T17:49:34.097" UserId="96672" />
  <row Id="21827" PostId="9054" Score="4" Text="Looking at your profile you vote on almost nothing - shrugs. Downvotes work too." CreationDate="2017-03-16T17:56:15.170" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21821" PostId="9055" Score="3" Text="Short answer: no.&#xA;long answer: nooooooooooope" CreationDate="2017-03-16T17:25:59.780" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="21822" PostId="9055" Score="0" Text="strange, it seem directed only to the homepage, as I just followed a reply, and it worked to go in the question. well the site work with serverfault.com, not www.serverfault.com" CreationDate="2017-03-16T17:34:41.993" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21828" PostId="9055" Score="0" Text="an update, they seem to have done a rewrite rule for www.serverfault.com &gt;&gt; serverfault.com to bypass the error." CreationDate="2017-03-16T18:00:19.247" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21829" PostId="9055" Score="0" Text="Now `www.serverfault.com` works, but optimal would be 301 redirect to `serverfault.com`, if that is the preferred domain." CreationDate="2017-03-17T00:34:55.523" UserId="210570" />
  <row Id="21830" PostId="9062" Score="0" Text="Ah, OK, that deals nicely with that; I had the wrong end of the stick.  Does that particular use of the word *score* crop up anywhere else on SF?  I can't help feeling that *net upvotes* would be a lot less mysterious a term.  Either way, thanks for clearing that up for me!" CreationDate="2017-03-18T10:23:05.403" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="21831" PostId="9062" Score="0" Text="[Score](http://serverfault.com/help/search?q=score) is also used to refer to the net of upvotes and downvotes on a question or answer. It is not used anywhere else. In particular, _reputation_ is not referred to as score." CreationDate="2017-03-18T10:26:07.223" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="21832" PostId="9062" Score="2" Text="Fair enough.  I wouldn't have done that - as I said, *net upvotes* seems to me unambiguous and reuses an existing, well-understood term of art, which I find much better than defining a new term which is then hardly ever used - but it's not my site." CreationDate="2017-03-18T10:40:24.143" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="21833" PostId="9063" Score="1" Text="I believe you're right that the question should be closed, so I've VTC'd it. As for the flag being declined, perhaps they did mistake you for the person asking the question; mods are only human after all..." CreationDate="2017-03-18T17:50:08.530" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="21834" PostId="9063" Score="2" Text="@RobMoir Yes, only human, and I hope my question is understood to be focused on understanding the community's wishes rather than to point fingers at a mod." CreationDate="2017-03-18T18:04:38.517" UserId="205065" />
  <row Id="21837" PostId="9063" Score="0" Text="Absolutely, I'm sure it will be" CreationDate="2017-03-18T18:40:27.763" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="21838" PostId="9063" Score="0" Text="It make me think of me, I was flagging in the past a lot to be closed when I was under 3k. I got refused someday, and I understanded the mod opinion, as flagging should be for extreme case where normal tool like VTC cant deal with. As for your example, with a -2 score and soon to be closed, the Q will finish purged in the end." CreationDate="2017-03-18T22:12:04.043" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21839" PostId="9063" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 My question is whether this post should be closed. If it should, then it should be acceptable to flag it for closure. However I can understand not using a mod intervention flag (in which case I'm not sure which of the canned flags would make sense. On Super User I would use a custom close reason.)" CreationDate="2017-03-18T22:29:43.480" UserId="205065" />
  <row Id="21840" PostId="9063" Score="0" Text="oh, yes. I agree for the close of such question! but there in SF usually flagging a mod mean an urgent closure or deletion, like spam, insult, etc. I dont know other site policy on the other hand. but under 3k that leave you not much choice except a DV and a comment to the OP" CreationDate="2017-03-18T22:38:41.113" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21841" PostId="9063" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 Got ya. Me neither, hence the question." CreationDate="2017-03-18T22:40:24.320" UserId="205065" />
  <row Id="21842" PostId="9065" Score="1" Text="On a side note check that meta post; https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/290507/what-is-the-guidance-for-using-standard-flags and check shadowwizard's answer, I think it's the best answer I seen on meta about that, but it seem a gray line" CreationDate="2017-03-22T13:16:26.063" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21846" PostId="9072" Score="5" Text="This is Server Fault - _Have you turned it off and on again ?_ should be implicit." CreationDate="2017-03-24T16:09:27.710" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21847" PostId="9072" Score="1" Text="I would disagree with rebooting for the sake of rebooting. If you are trying to find a root cause a reboot could erase the state you are trying to troubleshoot. If a reboot will make you happy why bother asking the question." CreationDate="2017-03-24T18:58:07.170" UserId="342838" />
  <row Id="21848" PostId="9072" Score="1" Text="@RowanHawkins exactly my point. If the causes are unknown and the issue disappeared after a reboot without reason, keeping the question open makes no sense." CreationDate="2017-03-24T19:18:02.447" UserId="180142" />
  <row Id="21850" PostId="9073" Score="6" Text="What delineate a business environnement? gear in a business computer park used for business need. Its easy to spot labing question as they bring unusual problem you dont see in a business day to day." CreationDate="2017-03-26T11:32:22.550" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21852" PostId="9073" Score="6" Text="ServerFault is meant for professionals to engage with their peers. It's not that we don't want people to learn - it's just not the platform for it." CreationDate="2017-03-27T17:06:35.390" UserId="95832" />
  <row Id="21856" PostId="9073" Score="5" Text="Part of working in a professional environment is knowing when to stop trying to fix things on your own and start calling the vendor support. Unfortunately, your using a student license precludes this. That is part of the reason to not allow your question." CreationDate="2017-03-27T17:44:33.370" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="21857" PostId="9073" Score="1" Text="@JennyD (Dan and yagmoth555 too) I appreciate your honest feedback on the topic instead of attacking me personally like the other self absorbed &quot;professionals&quot; on this community." CreationDate="2017-03-27T17:51:00.957" UserId="383435" />
  <row Id="21860" PostId="9073" Score="8" Text="There is a rather limited enthusiasm for people coming in new to the community and suggesting that the rules should be revised to fit their questions. Also, if you wish to complain about personal attacks, it's generally recommended to avoid making such, at least within the same comment." CreationDate="2017-03-29T08:42:25.547" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="21862" PostId="9073" Score="0" Text="@JennyD I think my title adequately displays to the community that it's not about &quot;why did I get put in hold?&quot; Also, I didn't suggest revising the rules to include my question, I suggested revising the rules to clearly exclude my question, as to avoid future confusion. As far as personal attacks, I won't start it but I also don't take it well." CreationDate="2017-03-29T11:39:26.087" UserId="383435" />
  <row Id="21863" PostId="9073" Score="0" Text="I definitely read your suggestion of revision as implying that you wish the rules to change, not to be clarified. Given the strong reaction by other commenters, I wasn't the only one." CreationDate="2017-03-29T12:22:12.300" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="21864" PostId="9073" Score="0" Text="@JennyD I didn't even think of it that way. I revised my question accordingly." CreationDate="2017-03-29T12:29:36.427" UserId="383435" />
  <row Id="21865" PostId="9073" Score="2" Text="@SuperAdmin thanks for the clarification! I think this misunderstanding is the source of the conflict below. Good luck with both your studies and your hobby projects!" CreationDate="2017-03-29T12:39:50.450" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="21873" PostId="9073" Score="0" Text="Try Proxmox instead of vmWare :)" CreationDate="2017-03-30T03:32:10.150" UserId="306348" />
  <row Id="21849" PostId="9074" Score="2" Text="I appreciate your comments but this is actually entirely on my own, other than an educational license this has nothing to do with schooling. I don't know everything about networking but I would think that a community such as this would value educating it's members. I can update my post based on comments. That's why were here right? We need other people's guidance? Regardless, I'm more curious about guideline quoted above as stated by the title of this post." CreationDate="2017-03-26T06:06:45.643" UserId="383435" />
  <row Id="21851" PostId="9074" Score="6" Text="I'm afraid that the sense of entitlement you display sickens me. You haven't helped this community at all. 3 votes, 0 edits, 0 flags 0 answers, 4 questions pfft! You are nothing more than a help vampire. For me you (ab)use of educational licences immediately puts you out of the business environment. 'SuperAdmin' - double pfft." CreationDate="2017-03-26T11:34:17.973" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21854" PostId="9074" Score="0" Text="@SuperAdminI looked on your SO profile - your contributions there are less than stellar too. I'm sticking with my opinion of you." CreationDate="2017-03-27T17:20:41.510" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21855" PostId="9074" Score="0" Text="@Thetimehascome 90% of that is high school. Now that I actually can apply things I've learned I've started helping Network Engineering, and Security. I figured there's no point in deleting old posts." CreationDate="2017-03-27T17:22:35.877" UserId="383435" />
  <row Id="21858" PostId="9074" Score="7" Text="@Thetimehascome Where do you see entitlement? I only see valid questions, both here on meta and on the linked original question. I think it would be fairer (and better for increasing quality posts) to judge actual questions, instead of judging people based on their imaginary internet points - especially if they are learning and trying to better themselves and others." CreationDate="2017-03-28T11:46:09.967" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21872" PostId="9074" Score="2" Text="@Thetimehascome Everybody has to learn about their subject somehow. I've been on SE for a few years and have very few contributions, because in most situations others beat me to it or I can't answer the question. But I help where I can. So am I &quot;entitled&quot; just because I'm limited in my capacity to help?" CreationDate="2017-03-30T00:32:00.357" UserId="295551" />
  <row Id="21874" PostId="9074" Score="0" Text="@DuncanXSimpson https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=entitlemen" CreationDate="2017-03-30T04:44:47.097" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21875" PostId="9074" Score="0" Text="1. the fact of having a right to something.&#xA;Seems to not be what we're looking for.&#xA;2. the amount to which a person has a right.&#xA;Still not right.&#xA;3. the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.&#xA;This must be what you're talking about, but I don't see how either of us believe we deserve extra privileges or special treatment." CreationDate="2017-03-30T04:48:01.323" UserId="295551" />
  <row Id="21876" PostId="9074" Score="0" Text="@DuncanXSimpson Why do you think my comment was directed at you? It was quite specifically aimed at one person who is not you. Unless of course you think you fit into the class of 'help vampire'." CreationDate="2017-03-30T05:54:05.423" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="21877" PostId="9074" Score="0" Text="I'm saying that I fit into a similar situation as him, but I don't think either of us to be help vampires." CreationDate="2017-03-30T13:31:47.900" UserId="295551" />
  <row Id="21878" PostId="9074" Score="7" Text="OK folks, look at trueCamelType's answer above. He calls out the chief difference between SF and its sister sites. SF is by professional admins, for professional admins. Now, if someone comes along and asks a well-researched, well-articulated, reasonably-scoped question and they're *not* a professional, the question will usually stick around. In the OP's case, though, the question had several strikes against it, one of which was that it was not a professional environment. The others are 1) Mis-use of VMware licenses and 2) Lack of thorough troubleshooting into the problem." CreationDate="2017-03-30T13:38:35.150" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21879" PostId="9074" Score="2" Text="@SuperAdmin So you have a question from a lab setup, hobbyist environment, no vendor support.  That question lines up with superuser stack.  I know I read both stacks.  (And unix/Linux and stack overflow too).  The proper answer to your question in server fault environment is, &quot;Punt, call vendor support.&quot;  That's why you have it.  In superuser, you'll find a lot of like-minded people, some of whom may have worked through what you're working on." CreationDate="2017-03-31T00:44:18.693" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21859" PostId="9076" Score="0" Text="I was going to post my question but my problem has been solved at the same time, so there is no need to post it anymore. Thank you anyway!" CreationDate="2017-03-29T07:32:22.963" UserId="407725" />
  <row Id="21861" PostId="9076" Score="3" Text="+1 -  not to mention, linking both questions to show that quite similar symptoms can have different resolutions improves both questions" CreationDate="2017-03-29T09:35:35.673" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="21866" PostId="9079" Score="3" Text="Even with a scenario, its still unprofessional to recommand NFR licence for business use, as its not legal. (legal for labbing, but we fall offtopic for another reason). In all case the op cant easily  get an answer, as who can tell us its not the licence type that block. vmware forum is more suited there for that reason in that case." CreationDate="2017-03-29T22:54:11.510" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21867" PostId="9079" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 I agree with you 100%.  But his question wasn't necessarily why was his question off topic, but why it wasn't considered business environment." CreationDate="2017-03-29T22:55:35.923" UserId="155268" />
  <row Id="21868" PostId="9079" Score="0" Text="i agree, iam french, i maybe wrote it badly, but I mean, do you use NFR licence or unit in any of your business customer for production use ?" CreationDate="2017-03-29T23:06:11.483" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21869" PostId="9079" Score="1" Text="No, I think that's an excellent reason for it to be closed." CreationDate="2017-03-29T23:07:39.377" UserId="155268" />
  <row Id="21870" PostId="9079" Score="0" Text="I have had this exact setup before, with the same licenses. The issue is a network error." CreationDate="2017-03-29T23:09:38.433" UserId="383435" />
  <row Id="21871" PostId="9079" Score="1" Text="I definitely don't want to troubleshoot the issue here :)  I just wanted to give my opinion on what they meant by business environment.  I believe him that it's a network error, and I love everyone." CreationDate="2017-03-29T23:10:55.403" UserId="155268" />
  <row Id="21880" PostId="9079" Score="1" Text="Regarding the split-up of sites: If you compare stackoverflow with any of the smaller sites, you'l notice that the difference is massive (for example, 412 featured questions on SO, 6 on SF, 5 on U&amp;L, 12 on SU). This means that if you would throw all the sub sites into a bowl, you would still have a tiny portion of the main side. Further segregating topics like it is done here sometimes, will do nothing to help focusing, because the sites are much too small to even need that (and tags are site-specific/duplicated, as is the search)." CreationDate="2017-03-31T11:30:14.217" UserId="333167" />
  <row Id="21881" PostId="9079" Score="6" Text="Am I the only one that thinks &quot;why does it matter, if I can change the word student, to professional and then get useful answers&quot; is a fairly accurate description of an incredibly arbitrary and unhelpful policy stance? This puts you all in the incredibly tenuous position of killing questions because the OPs gave *too much* info. vSphere is professional software. Always has, always will be. Any policy ignoring that simple fact is absurd." CreationDate="2017-04-01T03:28:05.667" UserId="129773" />
  <row Id="21882" PostId="9079" Score="0" Text="@MikeyT.K. You miss the point, it got killed because of the licence, but he refused to give detail about the networking info, and the OP state there on meta that its a networking problem. And if its a networking problem, does the OP can login to those switch ? or its gear in his university managed by someone else ? Its the same policy than on math, as they close on sight homework, even if its mathematic in the end" CreationDate="2017-04-01T12:12:32.703" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21883" PostId="9079" Score="3" Text="@MikeyT.K. As I said below, if a non-professional can write a well-researched, reasonably-scoped question about systems they have full control over, then they'll likely be left open here. The problem is that there are *very* few non-professionals that even have the ability to write a good question about this sort of thing. They try, but fail to understand even the most basic of concepts and/or fail to be able to explain things clearly, even when asked for specific clarification. Thus, their question gets closed." CreationDate="2017-04-02T12:53:30.537" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21884" PostId="9079" Score="1" Text="@MikeyT.K. This exact thing happened with the OP's question. This person thought it was necessary, for &quot;security&quot; reasons, to censor their RFC1918 addresses. This of course makes it impossible to understand network topology. Even after noting this to the OP and recommending that they un-censor their IPs and also provide subnet masks, they failed to do that. I was *trying* to help, but the OP thought (incorrectly) that providing the additional information was not necessary. So, the question stayed closed for this and other reasons." CreationDate="2017-04-02T12:58:21.547" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21894" PostId="9079" Score="0" Text="Then we should have a [tag:faq] question defining *in a business environment*." CreationDate="2017-04-07T10:48:32.000" UserId="89813" />
  <row Id="21895" PostId="9079" Score="2" Text="@MartinSchröder we have tried.  We have tried to clarify the site rules (in fact, they used to be clearer, and fuzzier ones were forced on us).  Look back in meta and watch it happen.  The *owners* of this site seem unwilling to allow us professional admins to clarify that we are only interested in professional-quality questions, but we're the ones answering most of the questions, so they can't do without us either.  An uneasy peace generally holds, but I freely concede that it doesn't help the newcomer to the site really understand what's going on." CreationDate="2017-04-09T06:54:53.813" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="21892" PostId="9082" Score="9" Text="You should be careful with your terminology. You don't have &quot;a server&quot; you have a managed service, provided by Heroku, wherein your application can be deployed and executed. Likewise, you haven't been &quot;managing your server&quot;. You've been managing your application, as deployed on Heroku's server. Yes, you have access to run a very restricted set of operations on the systems that are running your application, but that should not be conflated with actually managing the server." CreationDate="2017-04-02T17:40:06.217" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21893" PostId="9082" Score="5" Text="...all that to say there's nothing wrong at all with using services like Heroku. Not at all. I've been a sysadmin for 15 years, and even I use Heroku from time to time. I bring up the terminology thing because words are important, both to help yourself get your head around things, but even more importantly to help your customers understand what the situation is, and to be able to explain better to others how your application is being hosted, for instance as you did in your original question." CreationDate="2017-04-02T17:40:56.747" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21885" PostId="9083" Score="1" Text="I can access the console and can run commands remotely, including viewing server logs. I can also install and build applications remotely on the Heroku server and even install third-party applications. What additional functionality would define administrative control (which I am assuming you are using as a direct substitutable for &quot;managing information technology systems&quot;)?" CreationDate="2017-04-02T17:14:32.300" UserId="408618" />
  <row Id="21886" PostId="9083" Score="4" Text="On a shared web hosting, I can read log files, add software packages, upload files remotely. But, like with Heroku, I can't restart the web server or even the whole system. That's the level of access we are talking about." CreationDate="2017-04-02T17:18:39.020" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21887" PostId="9083" Score="0" Text="So managing information technology systems is defined by being able to restart a server? I'm sure that's not what you mean, but could you try to give a more holistic definition that covers at least a realistic proportion of what would be expected as per the regulation definition?" CreationDate="2017-04-02T17:20:25.323" UserId="408618" />
  <row Id="21888" PostId="9083" Score="5" Text="Yes, essentially that's what I mean, albeit taken it to the extreme.  Are you root? Good. If not, the question is off-topic. You are not root on Heroku, I guarantee you that." CreationDate="2017-04-02T17:22:34.353" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21889" PostId="9083" Score="7" Text="@RailsKiddie Could you, for instance, install auditd and configure it as needed to catch and research something like this? No. Could you run a packet capture on the server? No. You have *very* limited access to the server that's running your application, and thus, again, are a **user** of the system. Bear in mind that similar questions from users of Google App Engine, Parse (RIP), etc are also asked and closed on a fairly frequent basis. We're not just picking on you here." CreationDate="2017-04-02T17:22:44.267" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21890" PostId="9083" Score="0" Text="Thanks EEAA. That comment actually contains a lot of information that is pertinent to my original question. Sven, could you edit your original answer to note that at the very least users thought to be managing an information technology system should have root access? This seems to me a useful clarification of the original definition." CreationDate="2017-04-02T17:24:51.943" UserId="408618" />
  <row Id="21891" PostId="9083" Score="3" Text="Don't get hung up on the restarting thing. It's just a benchmark of sorts to determine if one is truly managing the system in question or is merely using it." CreationDate="2017-04-02T17:29:30.797" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21909" PostId="9088" Score="0" Text="this can be closed,  session required manual revalidation" CreationDate="2017-04-14T11:51:25.953" UserId="200560" />
  <row Id="21910" PostId="9088" Score="1" Text="FYI, this is happening to me as well on the iOS app." CreationDate="2017-04-14T12:54:14.193" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21905" PostId="9089" Score="0" Text="posted here without an issue....so" CreationDate="2017-04-14T10:51:13.943" UserId="200560" />
  <row Id="21906" PostId="9089" Score="0" Text="manually logged out and in and now it's fine." CreationDate="2017-04-14T11:04:01.357" UserId="200560" />
  <row Id="21907" PostId="9089" Score="0" Text="@JacobEvans In the text quoted in the response, posting is not listed as one of the things you cna't do without registering/logging in. So the fact that you could post here is entirely orthagonal to the issue." CreationDate="2017-04-14T11:30:02.453" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="21908" PostId="9089" Score="0" Text="don't comments require rep points?" CreationDate="2017-04-14T11:49:50.493" UserId="200560" />
  <row Id="21911" PostId="9089" Score="0" Text="You can alway comment on your own questions and answers, anonymous users as well, for as long as the cookie associating them with their posts remains valid, IIRC" CreationDate="2017-04-14T13:02:44.673" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21916" PostId="9092" Score="3" Text="The fact that the OS is unsupported does not automatically make your question off topic IMHO. &#xA;&#xA;Although we are not HP support and are therefor not a priori limited in which OS we have experience with,  there are many good reasons to stick with enterprise operating systems and especially if you have hardware/driver issues we might still end up making  a similar recommendation: that is to run your unsupported OS in a hypervisor that **is** supported." CreationDate="2017-04-16T14:35:42.200" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21917" PostId="9092" Score="1" Text="@HBruijn Do you mean, for example, to run VMWare on the server (which is supported) and run Arch Linux under VMWare?" CreationDate="2017-04-16T14:39:29.107" UserId="105498" />
  <row Id="21918" PostId="9092" Score="2" Text="Yes, or another supported Linux distribution and KVM if you don't want to buy a commercial license" CreationDate="2017-04-16T15:40:04.177" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21919" PostId="9092" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn Your first comment is worth to be upgraded to an answer IMO :)" CreationDate="2017-04-16T16:25:46.660" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21920" PostId="9092" Score="0" Text="`Does that mean that if I ask a question on ServerFault about it, I'll get a response like &quot;This isn't a supported OS so we can't help and you shouldn't be trying it&quot;?` - From some of us, yes. My initial response to questions like this is `This isn't supported, therefore you shouldn't be trying it except for your own &quot;homebrew&quot; use, which makes it off-topic here.` That of course is my own personal opinion on these kinds of questions. People are free to do what they want, but I tend to frown on doing this kind of thing in a production environment." CreationDate="2017-04-16T23:04:28.813" UserId="19152" />
  <row Id="21923" PostId="9095" Score="1" Text="New users can indeed only post questions and answers and no comments until they reach a certain [minimum privilege level](https://serverfault.com/help/privileges) and commenting everywhere requires &gt; 50 points. That is by design. By the way: you can always comment on *your own* questions and answers." CreationDate="2017-04-18T09:59:58.430" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21924" PostId="9095" Score="2" Text="It also serves as a **motivation** for you to track the next privilege and tackle it by finding and answering questions you can (which helps someone somewhere )" CreationDate="2017-04-18T10:17:20.653" UserId="406575" />
  <row Id="21925" PostId="9095" Score="2" Text="If you wish to **answer** a question, then answer it. No need to post a comment. But before doing so, ensure that your answer truly does actually provide a real answer to the question. If it doesn't, the answer will be deleted." CreationDate="2017-04-18T11:48:58.413" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21927" PostId="9095" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your replies.  What prompted me to raise this question was becuase I could not see how I could post an answer to the following question:-  &#xA;&#xA;https://serverfault.com/questions/821184/windows-server-2016-scheduled-task-schedule-must-be-in-future&#xA;&#xA;After reviewing it again today though, I have embarrassingly found out why that is:  &#xA;&#xA;&quot;Because it has attracted low-quality or spam answers that had to be removed, posting an answer now requires 10 reputation on this site. &quot;  &#xA;&#xA;&#xA;As I dont have 10 points I cannot post an answer.  As I dont have 50 points I cannot post a comment." CreationDate="2017-04-19T12:37:12.617" UserId="411096" />
  <row Id="21928" PostId="9095" Score="1" Text="Just find some other question to which you are able to provide a constructive answer. 10 rep is really quite easy to get; all it takes is a single upvote on a single answer, or two upvotes on a question." CreationDate="2017-04-20T13:29:33.297" UserId="58408" />
  <row Id="21929" PostId="9096" Score="0" Text="You accepted an answer too, too fast, or it's really a correct answer ?" CreationDate="2017-04-24T19:38:16.833" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21930" PostId="9096" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 I still haven't fixed my issue which the question relates to. I both accepted the answer too fast &amp; hit the 'this answers my question button' in regards to the possible duplicate. (answer on possible duplicate question didn't fix my issue either)" CreationDate="2017-04-24T19:42:49.940" UserId="101473" />
  <row Id="21931" PostId="9096" Score="0" Text="For the answer you can click to undo (you click the green checkmark), for the dupe question it will need a moderator intervention I think" CreationDate="2017-04-24T19:48:02.270" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21933" PostId="9099" Score="0" Text="Thanks Sven...is there any way to quantify the DBA, U&amp;L ones?  I know SO and SU would be more than NE, but I'm skeptical on the other two, especially DBA.  Maybe we can replace DBA with NE?" CreationDate="2017-04-27T15:11:02.737" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="21934" PostId="9099" Score="0" Text="According to some mod-only statistic, we have migrated 9 questions to dba and one to NE in the last 90 days." CreationDate="2017-04-27T15:18:24.900" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21935" PostId="9099" Score="0" Text="OK thanks!  I wonder if that is because the option for DBA is already there, but I digress.  I think adding it to the Help section may be good enough!" CreationDate="2017-04-27T15:25:42.327" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="21937" PostId="9103" Score="1" Text="Imagine you are a new comer. You don't know if there is a hidden feature or if it is only available via an alternative product. There are use-cases and the use-case generates the question. A new comer does not know if an alternative is needed or not. In this case I am sure that the standard command does not help. ... I don't like this distinction between softwarerec and other sites ..." CreationDate="2017-05-05T13:12:19.480" UserId="90324" />
  <row Id="21948" PostId="9103" Score="4" Text="@guettli While we're imagining we're newcomers, please imagine you're an old hat here who's seeing their thousandth &quot;I didn't read the basic rules&quot; post." CreationDate="2017-05-05T20:14:10.483" UserId="584" />
  <row Id="21938" PostId="9105" Score="6" Text="Are you looking for a longer answer than &quot;yes&quot;?" CreationDate="2017-05-05T14:00:08.953" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="21939" PostId="9105" Score="1" Text="@HopelessN00b - from you?  Nope.  ;)" CreationDate="2017-05-05T14:08:58.203" UserId="7861" />
  <row Id="21940" PostId="9105" Score="1" Text="I, for one, haven't visited the review queue in months." CreationDate="2017-05-05T14:18:38.387" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21941" PostId="9105" Score="0" Text="^^^ Same here. Part is  that I started working at new job and have less time, part that the review queue is intended to be the community process and not everything needs the mod hammer." CreationDate="2017-05-05T14:34:01.173" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21942" PostId="9105" Score="0" Text="I've looked into it a few weeks back, only to find I still strongly dislike the review system. Also, what @HBruijn said." CreationDate="2017-05-05T14:45:27.743" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21945" PostId="9105" Score="0" Text="It's not that bad. I check it from time to time, but at least all category except first post is good. For reference for over 2 year, I almost never seen the close queue under 100 (max was around 300). Maybe a sign new user contribute, as for the first post's queue I never check it. (As for me if it pass the low quality/spam's check, it's not that bad, I'am surely not the only one that think like that)." CreationDate="2017-05-05T16:22:58.063" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21947" PostId="9105" Score="0" Text="I pretty much gave up on close votes, but I look at reopen every now and then.  The current # of close reviews isn't too bad - it got up to almost 200 a few months ago and has since gone down." CreationDate="2017-05-05T20:05:11.017" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="21950" PostId="9105" Score="0" Text="NO. But I'm leaderless...so yes." CreationDate="2017-05-07T11:24:19.990" UserId="205065" />
  <row Id="21951" PostId="9105" Score="1" Text="I'm generally against closing questions, so I don't visit that queue because I'm against most of the requests and it's just frustrating, but I think *First Posts* deserves more attention." CreationDate="2017-05-08T12:59:20.623" UserId="11303" />
  <row Id="21969" PostId="9105" Score="2" Text="I've been busy UPGRADING ALL THE THINGS, but will hopefully spend more time here now that I'm finished." CreationDate="2017-05-10T21:08:29.553" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="21993" PostId="9105" Score="1" Text="perhaps we can include multiple rewards for every 1k of first post checked.&#xA;&#xA;personally i stopped after hitting the ~1k gold medal.&#xA;additionally its way too many clicks to just say: crap, delete, crap delete." CreationDate="2017-05-12T14:23:56.603" UserId="157970" />
  <row Id="22012" PostId="9105" Score="1" Text="Most Stack Overflow reviewers would give one of their organs to see the Close Vote queue there at 135." CreationDate="2017-05-18T09:59:19.370" UserId="135333" />
  <row Id="22038" PostId="9105" Score="0" Text="A few folks have been hammering away at First Posts reviews for the last few weeks.  The backlog has been going down steadily.  Thanks for all of the effort." CreationDate="2017-06-02T21:46:13.230" UserId="205542" />
  <row Id="22039" PostId="9105" Score="0" Text="I've been busy with a fresh offspring (that is now no longer fresh) and a new job (that is now old)... So I guess what I'm saying is, I looked away for a second and never got the motivation to return." CreationDate="2017-06-03T18:03:57.340" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21946" PostId="9106" Score="1" Text="&quot;When should moderators delete comments?&#xA;&#xA;Same advice as for flaggers: when they offer nothing of value to either the author of the post or to future readers.&quot; [A guide to moderating comments](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/237982/213575)" CreationDate="2017-05-05T19:48:07.090" UserId="180142" />
  <row Id="21943" PostId="9107" Score="0" Text="It did. It was something to the effect of *&quot;I've never heard of limiting the use of the term Domain Controller to just the PDC Emulator. That part is incorrect&quot;*" CreationDate="2017-05-05T16:05:29.113" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="21944" PostId="9107" Score="6" Text="@MDMarra I've undeleted the comment. I think it should stay..." CreationDate="2017-05-05T16:06:33.667" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="22010" PostId="9108" Score="3" Text="I'd love to see the review queue integrated into mobile. It's an easy thing to spend a few minutes on over the weekend, especially if it were in my pocket." CreationDate="2017-05-15T15:48:12.847" UserId="76309" />
  <row Id="21958" PostId="9109" Score="3" Text="I'd agree with you that if all we care about are the rules, then sure the comment should be deleted. I guess my in my answer, I was trying to express a more nuanced, personal view, that if a comment helps the answer-er to clarify things, then one should consider thanking that person for their correction." CreationDate="2017-05-08T19:28:42.610" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21953" PostId="9110" Score="0" Text="I would leave it as is, as you need over 3k point to cast a close vote :) You can flag a moderator to get directly closed too, but on question where it's on a gray line I usually don't recommend it. (as even if a homework, sometime a good answer is valuable, even if the question is offtopic)" CreationDate="2017-05-08T18:15:08.677" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21954" PostId="9110" Score="0" Text="OK, flag is more what I meant, but you are correct. Again, I am green and still getting used to the process and culture. Thank you." CreationDate="2017-05-08T18:18:38.820" UserId="364459" />
  <row Id="21957" PostId="9110" Score="0" Text="No worry :) I wasn't aware that close and flag was not the same at first too, kinda why I told you it, as I used to flag everything at first" CreationDate="2017-05-08T18:37:44.637" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="21955" PostId="9111" Score="0" Text="OK, thank you for the opinion. I have had a much better experience on ServerFault vs trying to help over on SuperUser. My posts over there have been very heavily moderated, and referenced as doing it wrong. I also understand that they may need to be more picky, as their site has much more broad and basic needs. They have a LOT of questions come in that can easily be solved by short research." CreationDate="2017-05-08T18:22:42.747" UserId="364459" />
  <row Id="21956" PostId="9111" Score="7" Text="Oh, we are very picky and many of our regular users (including me) have strong opinions about what is nor is not off-topic (sometimes erring on the side of too narrow maybe) and even more about &quot;doing it right&quot; - after all our target audience are more or less exclusively professionals. All that doesn't mean that you need to act and think the same, which is what I wanted to express in my answer." CreationDate="2017-05-08T18:28:42.583" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21960" PostId="9112" Score="0" Text="_&quot;It's 8 years old! I doubt the OP is around or will edit it, let alone the answerers update or add to it!&quot;_ That's not the point. Broken windows is the point. https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/124635/how-many-questions-on-meta-have-asked-why-cant-i-ask-this-question-when-that" CreationDate="2017-05-10T03:01:12.473" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="21977" PostId="9112" Score="4" Text="`And the first reaction is &quot;Oh we can't have that!&quot; and put the other question on hold?` Yeah, well whine about an off-topic question not being closed for some reason.... and what did you expect?  It was closed because you brought attention to the fact that it wasn't, and should have been.  Geez.  No pleasing some people." CreationDate="2017-05-11T19:28:17.257" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="21961" PostId="9114" Score="0" Text="I've answered your explicit question below. Is there another implicit question you're hinting at that you'd like to ask as well?" CreationDate="2017-05-10T03:33:47.853" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21962" PostId="9114" Score="0" Text="As far as an inferential questions, it's more like I'm wondering why I should go to the Soup Nazi's place to get lunch.  At this point, it's pretty obvious that I don't fit in to the technology SEs very well, and any attempts at figuring out why will probably get me perma-banned. However, I figured I would look around the SE to see if this SE could be a good fit, when I was flabbergasted at the top question.  In other words, I'm testing the waters to see how Nazi-like the Soup Nazi is." CreationDate="2017-05-10T03:42:28.830" UserId="176913" />
  <row Id="21963" PostId="9114" Score="4" Text="Why do you think the top-rated question is at all statistically relevant to what is typical on SF?" CreationDate="2017-05-10T03:44:07.527" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21964" PostId="9114" Score="0" Text="How could they not be? Isn't that the whole point of SEs vs other systems? Objectivity and consistency?" CreationDate="2017-05-10T03:48:41.053" UserId="176913" />
  <row Id="21965" PostId="9114" Score="8" Text="@DanWhaley Being that this is the internet, and anything that has entertainment value can go &quot;viral&quot;, a question's (or answer's) voted-ness is not _necessarily_ a sign of anything other than its votedness. If you had taken your example within context, you'd find that the question went viral, had also been linked to by many other sites, and as a result had an uncharacteristically high view count. A better idea about how to ask good questions would be to 1) Read our FAQ, and 2) Take our body of questions as a whole. Say, the top 100 or so." CreationDate="2017-05-10T03:52:07.367" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="21966" PostId="9114" Score="4" Text="Who cares about the most popular question anyway? What you really should be worried about is getting the most usefull and best possible  **Answer** to your current  **Question**. If you're looking for good answers to common questions take a look at [Canonical Q&amp;A's](https://meta.serverfault.com/a/1987/37681)" CreationDate="2017-05-10T05:03:36.403" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="21967" PostId="9114" Score="0" Text="That question is yet another example why I believe that SF questions shouldn't ever appear on the list of [Hot Network Questions](https://stackexchange.com/questions?tab=hot). Once something land on there, people from other sites without any real reason to be on a site for professional system administration feel compelled to invade us and create a ruckus. In this case, it went viral far beyond SE. Oh, and naturally, once something is high on any list, it has good chances to further gather votes without this being really warranted due to the nature or quality of the question." CreationDate="2017-05-10T10:46:05.963" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21968" PostId="9114" Score="4" Text="I fail to see how the score on a 6 year old post is somehow going to enlighten you as to how this site works **now** and whether this is a good fit for you.  I'd suggest this site is not." CreationDate="2017-05-10T20:30:37.487" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="21970" PostId="9117" Score="2" Text="While I agree that the tone of the answer was more aggressive than it should be. The answer is a fully technical correct answer to the question." CreationDate="2017-05-11T15:54:28.317" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21971" PostId="9117" Score="0" Text="If I want bickering and insults, I go to reddit.  If the first line of the 'answer' is an insult, I do not expect quality content from the rest, probably even skip to the next one or downvote without finishing the answer.  I agree with you, the answer was an unattributed quote (probably from TechNet) that answers the question." CreationDate="2017-05-11T16:26:02.300" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21972" PostId="9117" Score="8" Text="_&quot;Besides, OP's co-workers' competence is irrelevant to the question at hand.&quot;_ **False.** _&quot;My review was spot on.&quot;_ **False.** _&quot;If the goal of the stack is to provide answers for reference, judgement of third or fourth parties' competence based on limited information has no place.&quot;_ **False.** _&quot;In fact, it detracts from the answer, and the stack.&quot;_ **False.** So in other words, the review audit was accurate, worked as intended, and we're all good here. ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ" CreationDate="2017-05-11T16:33:21.427" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="21973" PostId="9117" Score="0" Text="*So we ARE here to insult and deride each other and draw conclusions from not enough information.*  **Check**  *And we should immortalize those insults and diatribes for posterity.*  **Check**  *Insults make answers better.*  **Check**  I don't buy it.  I'm a professional and I believe that ad hominem attacks detract from the argument." CreationDate="2017-05-11T17:07:18.550" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21974" PostId="9117" Score="4" Text="_So we ARE here to insult and deride each other._ **False** Co-workers != 'each other'.  They would be a separate third party.  That said, **I'm** here to insult and deride each other.  Especially @wesley." CreationDate="2017-05-11T18:15:28.127" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="21975" PostId="9117" Score="1" Text="@yoonix Truly you are my kind of scum. &lt;3" CreationDate="2017-05-11T18:17:17.603" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="21976" PostId="9117" Score="5" Text="@Wesley you should be out buying a bike instead" CreationDate="2017-05-11T18:56:22.060" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="21978" PostId="9117" Score="5" Text="@Xalorous I'm sorry but if the tone of the answer immediately disqualifies it in your eyes. Then I personally do not trust your judgment when it comes to technical Q&amp;A. And do indeed agree that you failed the audit." CreationDate="2017-05-11T19:34:17.463" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21979" PostId="9117" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately, the review queue is automated, and the audits appear to be generated based on community consensus.  Sometimes one disagrees with the community, but there's not a lot to do about it.  Unless you fail audits repeatedly no one does anything to you, anyway.  In short, flunking a review audit once is pretty much meaningless.  Don't worry about it." CreationDate="2017-05-11T20:46:31.290" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="21980" PostId="9117" Score="0" Text="@Reaces If the tone of the answer does not disqualify it in your eyes, you have a much greater acceptance of unprofessional behavior than I do. &quot;Badmouthing&quot; others in a professional setting demonstrates personal feelings of inadequacy, and a need to lower others to the level where the speaker subconsciously feels they are or where they feel they are judged to be. I mean really, come on. Didn't all &quot;Geeks&quot; and &quot;Nerds&quot; learn this basic psychology when coping with bullies in school? Bottom line, I often feel like I can show Q&amp;A from here to back up a proposal or a decision in discussion. Then..." CreationDate="2017-05-11T22:18:30.857" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21981" PostId="9117" Score="0" Text="@KatherineVillyard Thank you. I aspire to be level headed and come to balanced, appropriate answers, like your comment shows.  I guess the question probably seems a bit thin skinned.  Maybe that's why I got all the troll responses too." CreationDate="2017-05-11T22:21:39.070" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21984" PostId="9117" Score="0" Text="downvote MOAR!!!!" CreationDate="2017-05-11T22:39:17.917" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21985" PostId="9117" Score="7" Text="@Xalorous Please stop it with the armchair psychology. And d/v on meta only signal disagreement." CreationDate="2017-05-11T22:46:53.463" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="21986" PostId="9117" Score="0" Text="@Sven ummm, dohkay." CreationDate="2017-05-11T22:49:29.167" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21988" PostId="9117" Score="7" Text="@Xalorous Technical QA =/= a professional setting. We are a QA for professionals but this QA isn't our profession. The difference being that we are answering here out of our own volition using our personal time. If we want to be crass (while keeping basic civility), we can be crass, we have no direct connection to the people we talk to. And to be frank, that is the only environment in which you can expect people to give up free time to help others. Now there are lines  you shouldn't be crossing, but judging by the votes I don't think the majority feels like that happened here." CreationDate="2017-05-12T09:06:03.770" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="22177" PostId="9117" Score="0" Text="Even if I agree that the first sentence of the answer was insulting, it was only insulting to people who are not involved in the question or answer or Stack Exchange (as far as we know), i.e., the coworkers who have no business being Exchange admins. I strongly doubt the &quot;Be Nice&quot; policy covers entities that are not even Stack Exchange users. To me, the tone of the answer actually *validated* the concerns of the asker, and was entirely appropriate." CreationDate="2017-12-05T22:11:59.243" UserId="213609" />
  <row Id="21983" PostId="9118" Score="0" Text="Your answer is right for my question, &quot;What do?&quot;  I just prefer to see answers that I could show to my boss or a customer without apologizing for &quot;random geeks on the internet.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-05-11T22:34:45.430" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21987" PostId="9118" Score="6" Text="@Xalorous Why would you show your boss or a customer? These QAs are here for *you* to learn from. If you need to &quot;prove it&quot; to a manager or customer by showing them an answer from some stranger, there are trust issues to work out." CreationDate="2017-05-12T03:07:18.650" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21990" PostId="9118" Score="0" Text="@EEAA Occasionally, it is helpful to have ammunition to defend a position.  My boss trusts me, and so does my customer, but beyond them, it's all politics and paperwork.  Change management and sustainability.  For an admin to recommend a change, you have to have backing.  Unfortunately, direct, hands-on experience with the system is not considered enough outside the group in which I work.  I hate having to defend decisions to a change board who can barely log onto a Linux system, much less maintain one." CreationDate="2017-05-12T13:59:56.173" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21989" PostId="9120" Score="1" Text="If this was a work environment I would go talk to the exchange admins first. Then I'd probably see if I could explain the service to them, find out if maybe I was wrong, and escalate further if needed. I guess the point I'm trying to make is, on a QA your only options are to point out mistakes and give your opinion. You can't follow the tactfully correct route because that's up to the OP." CreationDate="2017-05-12T09:16:23.153" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="21991" PostId="9120" Score="0" Text="I thought the part about 'dependent services' sounded familiar. I do not disagree that there is some impact of restarting the information store. The amount of impact varies on how large the Exchange environment is, how robustly the system is built, and how many users are online at the time of the restart. There are too many variables, AND we don't know exactly what OP was told. Maybe his boss said that the customers would not notice an impact.  Telephone game and all that, stories change.  My point is that simply stating that &quot;no impact&quot; is incorrect and explaining why focuses on the question." CreationDate="2017-05-12T14:05:26.443" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21992" PostId="9120" Score="0" Text="&lt;cont&gt; Bottom line, all that above is my opinion, and it obviously differs.  Having served and worked in environments where appearances matter, one learns to maintain appearances even in social settings away from work.  So, understanding other comments above about this not being a professional setting, I'll continue on, and let the answers do the talking." CreationDate="2017-05-12T14:10:13.473" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="21994" PostId="9121" Score="4" Text="_&quot;I asked a reasonable question...&quot;_ No. No you didn't. Thus your question got closed. Case closed! ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ" CreationDate="2017-05-12T18:57:40.370" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="21999" PostId="9121" Score="1" Text="The best answer you could probably get to your question is: to resolve your performance issues, start looking at moving away from XAMPP and setting up a proper LAMP setup... You'll have a very hard time finding volunteers who want to help you with the performance of a production XAMPP setup. And whoever does volunteer information probably didn't know what they were getting into when poking the bees nest that is one click setups." CreationDate="2017-05-13T15:28:23.353" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="22003" PostId="9121" Score="0" Text="@Wesley - &lt;edited&gt; why don't you explain why it wasn't reasonable.  I have years of hosting/server background.  I do not have years supporting crap environments like XAMPP or converting them thus I asked before I go off on my own (looking for the easiest way of course).   You are missing the piece that this is co-owned with a vendor and not everything can be perfectly controlled. &lt;edited&gt;" CreationDate="2017-05-14T05:08:07.653" UserId="235120" />
  <row Id="22006" PostId="9121" Score="1" Text="@blankip I can sympathize with you that you're stuck in a tough spot here. Truly I can. You're being asked to put lipstick on a pig. That fact, though, doesn't mean that XAMPP is on-topic because you're being forced to use it. It's still, even in your situation, a system that is wholly unsuitable for production use. Now, as to why it's not suitable for prod usage, see this QA: https://serverfault.com/q/453617/20815" CreationDate="2017-05-14T05:16:22.423" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="22007" PostId="9121" Score="3" Text="@blankip I will also caution you to not stoop to personal attacks, nor to making assumptions about the knowledge or experience of those you're interacting with." CreationDate="2017-05-14T05:19:09.347" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="22008" PostId="9121" Score="0" Text="@blankip Because that would be a gross duplication of effort. What is and is not on topic has already been explained many times within this thread, and within the FAQ / Help system for the site." CreationDate="2017-05-14T21:46:37.463" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="21995" PostId="9122" Score="0" Text="Who says XAMPP is a dev tool?  It is on thousands of production environments world wide.  I didn't choose to use it (it was made for me) and agree it has issues but since it is used on productions servers - EVERYWHERE - I doubt your ability to answer this question.  Please show me that XAMPP is not used in production environments.   I am not sure you or the few other mods that agree are the people who make definitions for what is prod and what isn't.  The site's FAQs suggest it is a good question so maybe you should get that changed too.   Unreal." CreationDate="2017-05-13T03:22:27.940" UserId="235120" />
  <row Id="21996" PostId="9122" Score="2" Text="@blankip I will give you two quotes from the XAMPP website. 1) &quot;XAMPP is the most popular PHP development environment&quot; and 2) &quot;The goal of XAMPP is to build an easy to install distribution for developers to get into the world of Apache.&quot; Do you need any more evidence than that?" CreationDate="2017-05-13T04:19:26.317" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21997" PostId="9122" Score="1" Text="Furthermore: I couldn't care less if XAMPP is used in production. Whether or not something is used has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it *should* be used. Windows Server 2003 is still used on hundreds of thousands of servers around the world, in spite of the fact that it's EOL and is not receiving security updates. Does the fact that it's in use make it a good idea? Absolutely not." CreationDate="2017-05-13T04:21:36.940" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="21998" PostId="9122" Score="8" Text="I can assure you that there is consensus on this issue not only among the moderators here, but also among the community in general. Evidence of that is visible in the voting on this exact question and answer. Look, I know this wasn't the answer you wanted, but this was the risk you took when asking on a site that values doing things right and building secure, well-supported, reliable systems. XAMPP and the other one-click installers don't fit into that picture." CreationDate="2017-05-13T04:24:08.193" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="22000" PostId="9122" Score="0" Text="@blankip Do you need more clarification? I genuinely want to help you understand what happened here. We're not a bunch of militant power-hungry jerks. We all participate here because we have a desire to help people. Sometimes, though, helping people well means telling them things that they don't want to hear. I believe that's what happened with your question." CreationDate="2017-05-14T02:42:22.790" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="22001" PostId="9122" Score="1" Text="I don't think you guys get it.  I would never set up a server like this.  It is being used in production for a large scale suite of sites.  I took over managing this - which is co-owned by a vendor.  What the site is assuming is that the people asking the questions have full control.  I am asking what can I do given the constraints I have not &quot;tell me how bad my environment is and refuse to talk unless I do things the perfect way&quot;.  ... cont." CreationDate="2017-05-14T05:02:51.713" UserId="235120" />
  <row Id="22002" PostId="9122" Score="0" Text="cont...   It is akin to someone asking how to install some door in the DIY and then they say they won't answer because that brand of door isn't good enough quality.   Well that is perfectly fine to comment about the quality of the door and telling them that they are dumb for using the door but they would still tell you how to install it as best as it could be.  What is more perplexing and quite frankly idiotic is why there would be a tag &quot;XAMPP&quot; when all XAMPP questions are refused." CreationDate="2017-05-14T05:04:48.687" UserId="235120" />
  <row Id="22004" PostId="9122" Score="4" Text="Yes, we do actually assume that question askers do have full control of the systems they're asking about. If they don't, they're *users* of the system, not administrators. Server Fault is not like most other SE sites, in that it is by professionals, for professionals. We've collectively drawn a line in the sand, and have agreed that XAMPP questions are off-topic. If you want to try and sway community opinion on this, you're always free to post a meta question with your reasoning." CreationDate="2017-05-14T05:09:45.463" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="22005" PostId="9122" Score="3" Text="If the community decides after hearing your rationale that they do want to allow these questions, I'll do it gladly. Until then, though, you'll just need to come to grips with the fact that your question is off-topic." CreationDate="2017-05-14T05:11:31.373" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="22009" PostId="9122" Score="0" Text="Re. the existence of the tag [tag:xampp]: Not all questions regarding this product are necessarily off-topic. I can imagine questions regarding how to efficently install this product for multiple *developers* in an automated fashion. This would't be considered the same as questions regarding to do this for products like MS Office and the like." CreationDate="2017-05-15T07:39:41.533" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22083" PostId="9122" Score="0" Text="What is that &quot;gold tag badge&quot;? Could not find it with your link." CreationDate="2017-07-27T08:52:42.303" UserId="77281" />
  <row Id="22013" PostId="9123" Score="0" Text="I did leave a comment suggesting that the tone detracts from the likelihood that the answser, which was valid, being read and accepted." CreationDate="2017-05-19T21:29:27.990" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="22014" PostId="9123" Score="0" Text="Judgement made with too little information.  Technical question.  In a logical setting, these two should be mutually exclusive.  Including the judgement contributes to this stack's reputation for elitism.  But I understand that this attitude is perfectly acceptable here, most of the contributors enjoy it.  Who am I to say it's wrong." CreationDate="2017-05-19T21:33:49.343" UserId="369717" />
  <row Id="22011" PostId="9125" Score="2" Text="&quot;indentity&quot;... typo, or has Microsoft started a new phase in the tabs-v-spaces war?  (grin)" CreationDate="2017-05-17T00:26:52.397" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22016" PostId="9126" Score="8" Text="A watery tart threw a sword at him." CreationDate="2017-05-22T11:16:33.677" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="22017" PostId="9126" Score="5" Text="Help, help, I'm being repressed!" CreationDate="2017-05-22T12:03:41.187" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="22018" PostId="9126" Score="6" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's ranty whining." CreationDate="2017-05-22T13:46:57.240" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="22019" PostId="9126" Score="3" Text="BEHOLD THE VIOLENCE! (and closevotes) INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!" CreationDate="2017-05-22T22:52:30.417" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="22015" PostId="9127" Score="2" Text="The lack of troubleshooting close reason is appropriate, but it could also have been closed as &quot;unclear what you're asking,&quot; or maybe even because it's something to do with virtualmin...  One way or another, closing was the right action." CreationDate="2017-05-22T06:40:56.970" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="22072" PostId="9132" Score="0" Text="I agree with this. However, my question is for the cases where *naming a product or tool in context [is]...sometimes quite helpful.* What is the community's expectations for the recommendation? A link only? More than that? This is what I want to know." CreationDate="2017-07-08T18:09:11.713" UserId="205065" />
  <row Id="22073" PostId="9132" Score="0" Text="Just enough to enable you to help yourself. In some cases, a simple product name might be enough, but in others a short explanation how a complex product is supposed to help would be necessary. (Not so good ) examples: `Q: Want to sync dir tree. A: Use rsync` would be OK, but `I want central auth for my Windows clients` would require more, e.g `Use Windows server. It has a component called Active Directory that is meant to do this`." CreationDate="2017-07-08T18:23:17.533" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22074" PostId="9132" Score="0" Text="This is more helpful.  I've edited the question to make it perfectly clear it was never meant to debate the cases when product recommendations are acceptable, but rather when they are made, what information must be included." CreationDate="2017-07-08T18:28:29.460" UserId="205065" />
  <row Id="22023" PostId="9133" Score="6" Text="The proper way would for OP to just undelete the target question and finally start to follow the advice both me and EEAA repeatedly gave him, so he might have a chance to actually get proper help with his original problem. For some reason or another, he doesn't seem to want to do this. I might end up reclosing this as &quot;off-topic, not enough data&quot; though, to remove the dead link." CreationDate="2017-05-30T22:55:58.827" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22044" PostId="9134" Score="1" Text="To be honest if I'm searching for something I'd rather find a (maybe) obsolete product recommendation than nothing at all. The product recommendation, even obsolete may allow me to find a more current solution simply by searching *&lt;product name&gt; alternative*." CreationDate="2017-06-06T11:37:48.013" UserId="304910" />
  <row Id="22032" PostId="9136" Score="0" Text="Please note that downvoting on Meta merely signals disagreement with a post - so nine people don't think that your question should have kept open. That's all there is to it." CreationDate="2017-06-02T08:34:37.860" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22034" PostId="9136" Score="0" Text="@Sven I am deeply relaxed, looking for a new Q+A about server stuff" CreationDate="2017-06-02T08:36:44.940" UserId="90324" />
  <row Id="22035" PostId="9136" Score="1" Text="@guettli Is it possible there is a typo in the website you put on your profile? Don't worry too much about people down-voting on meta, it doesn't affect your reputation and doesn't actually mean anything other than disagreement." CreationDate="2017-06-02T17:54:11.963" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="22040" PostId="9136" Score="2" Text="Please stop wasting the time of yourself and others by using the interaction with Sven as a smoke screen for the topicality of your question. It's either on topic or it isn't, per the site rules. If we had disagreed with Sven applying his moderator vote we have the power to reopen your question. If you are looking for blind agreement, then yes, please do leave. But actually **do** it, and stop playing the victim. You are a victim of your own persecution complex, but that's about it. We can be quite pleasant when we aren't faced with self-justification #178 for being above the rules." CreationDate="2017-06-03T21:10:52.250" UserId="152073" />
  <row Id="22041" PostId="9136" Score="0" Text="@Reaces typo in the website I put on my profile? Could you please be more precise? I would like to remove this typo. Thank you for explaining that down-votes don't reduce the reputation, this was new for me." CreationDate="2017-06-06T08:17:58.433" UserId="90324" />
  <row Id="22042" PostId="9136" Score="0" Text="@guettli On your SE profile: http://thomas-guettle.de/ gives a DNS resolution error. While http://thomas-guettler.de/ gives a result." CreationDate="2017-06-06T10:57:03.063" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="22043" PostId="9136" Score="0" Text="@Reaces thank you very much. I fixed the typo." CreationDate="2017-06-06T11:32:36.433" UserId="90324" />
  <row Id="22049" PostId="9136" Score="0" Text="I think the reason of the closure was that your question looked as a debug question, but it was really an idea about this /etc comparison thing. I think you overreacted it, you could ask the same on the Unix SE any time and it will be probably answered. But make it more clear that the focus is the /etc comparison! As an ordinary debug problem, your question would be unclear (because you didn't explain, why that workstation doesn't work)." CreationDate="2017-06-14T03:23:57.220" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="22024" PostId="9137" Score="0" Text="nice to see you again. AFAIK &quot;closing a question&quot; can be seen as &quot;executive&quot;, isn't it? What is the benefit of consistent handling of questions that are off-topic? Why does Socrates no apply here?" CreationDate="2017-06-01T11:15:29.460" UserId="90324" />
  <row Id="22027" PostId="9137" Score="6" Text="Because he didn't show up to state his case when we made the rules." CreationDate="2017-06-01T23:08:29.517" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="22031" PostId="9137" Score="0" Text="@yoonix can you please elaborate you comment. Up to now there is too much room for misinterpretation (at least for me)." CreationDate="2017-06-02T08:30:14.363" UserId="90324" />
  <row Id="22037" PostId="9137" Score="5" Text="@guettli Sure, I was pointing out the fact that Socrates isn't a part of this site. You're pulling quotes from elsewhere on the internet and asking us to explain to you why they don't apply.  It was my snarky response to what I feel is a stupid question." CreationDate="2017-06-02T20:46:22.927" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="22026" PostId="9138" Score="0" Text="Were these http imgs that got converted to https?" CreationDate="2017-06-01T22:59:46.480" UserId="84104" />
  <row Id="22028" PostId="9138" Score="2" Text="Works for me, even with a cold browser cache These images are supplied by an external service (Gravatar, a Wordpress/automattic service), so I guess there is not much SE can do about this and the problem lies between you and Gravatar. The images that *are* working come from SE's imgur subservice." CreationDate="2017-06-01T23:32:51.480" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22029" PostId="9138" Score="0" Text="@84104 The images were being accessed over https, and I think that has been the case for a while without problems." CreationDate="2017-06-01T23:55:07.263" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22030" PostId="9138" Score="0" Text="@Sven The images are loading again for me." CreationDate="2017-06-01T23:55:36.610" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22036" PostId="9138" Score="0" Text="I did a report some time ago on MSE, for problem with avatar, not the same trouble but MSE told me it was gravatar issues , like sven told (https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/291812/icon-bug-for-some-badges-winner)" CreationDate="2017-06-02T18:11:55.220" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22047" PostId="9139" Score="0" Text="To those who downvoted this...why?" CreationDate="2017-06-07T21:02:38.207" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="22048" PostId="9139" Score="0" Text="I think it is a good idea. Sites suffering similar problems, it was suggested many times on the SE meta. The SE doesn't want it, as I can remember their arguments, they fear the review quality will decrease. In my opinion, they could easily fix it by elevating the audit frequency, and this is what they should do. Note, I think there is also a different, but related problem, and it is that I think also the mod customs / policies should be adapted to reflect the changes in the world of the system administration and the site visitors in the last years." CreationDate="2017-06-13T08:56:48.283" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="22051" PostId="9142" Score="6" Text="For what it's worth, I would have closed this as &quot;unclear what you are asking&quot;, because your question is just that - very unclear. You don't talk about your environment, your purpose, what exactly you tried and how exactly that failed - &quot;it barfs&quot; is by no means an acceptable error description here. Also, you  added a screenshot about Docker for Mac, which is decidedly a *development* environment not meant for production use (any dev environments/purposes are [off-topic](http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic) on [SF])." CreationDate="2017-06-15T20:19:28.963" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22058" PostId="9142" Score="4" Text="The migration was decidedly not malicious. Would have you rather I just closed it altogether?" CreationDate="2017-06-16T04:34:33.663" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="22059" PostId="9142" Score="2" Text="&quot;*Docker is used to deploy already-written software, that's its primary purpose*&quot; well, that sums up my problems with docker in a single line very nicely.  Not only is that not its primary purpose, it really, *really* shouldn't be used for that." CreationDate="2017-06-20T08:07:34.560" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="22052" PostId="9143" Score="1" Text="It's not even slightly a development tool. It doesn't compile, it doesn't let you edit, debug, or do any of the other things that is development. It lets you deploy already written, complete software packages... 100% system administration. That's its primary use. In that a software developer is supposed to finish a software product and provide it in usable form to other people, it's slightly associated with development... but in that sense, so is all modern software. I challenge anyone to explain how I am wrong in this." CreationDate="2017-06-15T21:33:53.433" UserId="46126" />
  <row Id="22053" PostId="9143" Score="1" Text="@JohnO: Context matters. [SF] exclusively cares about production use. If your use case is developing or testing (Docker is often used for this and it's the only viable use for Docker/Mac to begin with), your question is [off-topic](http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic) and [SO] is a better place for it as that site also deals with dev tools in general. If your use case is production use, you should have made that clear." CreationDate="2017-06-15T22:07:48.170" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22054" PostId="9143" Score="6" Text="@JohnO Please see my edit. You are free to continue thinking that this is not a development tool, but that flies in the face of all evidence **and** vendor documentation on the product." CreationDate="2017-06-15T23:39:38.123" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="22055" PostId="9143" Score="1" Text="@JohnO Also, I'll reiterate something I think you perhaps missed from above: Docker for Mac is expressly designed for dev usage. The docker engine, however, is perfectly suited for production. I've been using it in this capacity for years. There is a huge difference between these two products, though, including how one interacts with them. &quot;File sharing&quot; plain and simple is not a thing with properly-designed production docker systems. Nor is a GUI management layer." CreationDate="2017-06-15T23:44:36.907" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="22056" PostId="9144" Score="3" Text="Yup, the review system and especially that very common error situation sucks big time. Sorry, but the [SE] staff appears to disagree and left that system essentially unchanged for years now. I stopped reviewing because of this..." CreationDate="2017-06-16T01:53:04.897" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22057" PostId="9144" Score="1" Text="I'm fairly sure I haven't been in the review queue for 12+ months because of this crap. Perhaps since I was elected as a mod." CreationDate="2017-06-16T02:10:46.857" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="22061" PostId="9144" Score="0" Text="The audit was trying to make it look like the answer had not yet been deleted and was expecting you to downvote or flag." CreationDate="2017-06-25T08:11:33.587" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22062" PostId="9144" Score="0" Text="Yes, I realize that. I just don't think it's a particularly good way to do things." CreationDate="2017-06-25T08:58:32.087" UserId="306795" />
  <row Id="22067" PostId="9149" Score="2" Text="Possible duplicate of [When is a request for product recommendations not a request for product recommendations?](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6139/when-is-a-request-for-product-recommendations-not-a-request-for-product-recommen)" CreationDate="2017-07-06T15:05:42.550" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22065" PostId="9150" Score="1" Text="Like I mentioned in comments to question I rather strongly disagree. There are many good and popular questions that were considered on-topic. E.g. https://serverfault.com/questions/96265/puppet-vs-chef-pro-and-contra-from-users-and-use-cases Yes, it is closed as &quot;opinion based&quot; which is correct because it is asking &quot;for best tool&quot;. But as can see many users found it helpful just judging by count of upvotes and stars (and yes, it's been closed 4 years later somehow)." CreationDate="2017-07-06T14:35:55.217" UserId="146727" />
  <row Id="22066" PostId="9150" Score="4" Text="@AlexKey That question is eight years old. [SF] was very new back then and the view about what are acceptable questions has changed a lot over the years." CreationDate="2017-07-06T15:01:58.487" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22070" PostId="9152" Score="2" Text="Possible duplicate of [When is an answer Not An Answer?](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5316/when-is-an-answer-not-an-answer)" CreationDate="2017-07-08T06:57:13.380" UserId="9770" />
  <row Id="22071" PostId="9152" Score="0" Text="I've read the duplicate question. Its answer says *&quot;You could flag these as not an answer but you could do better[:] The answer is a comment on another answer (please use other and let us know where it should go, use the share link).&quot;* **Is this why the flag was declined?**" CreationDate="2017-07-08T17:58:50.970" UserId="205065" />
  <row Id="22075" PostId="9153" Score="4" Text="I am grateful for your response. I apologize for not providing you sufficient context for my flag. I learned through asking about this that I need to do that in a case like this. Thank you for giving of your time to moderate and I want you to know *the fact you responded and addressed this has restored my faith in moderation of SF. Thanks for that.*" CreationDate="2017-07-11T00:56:04.483" UserId="205065" />
  <row Id="22076" PostId="9153" Score="2" Text="Seriously, you two, whatever will happen to the Serverfault we know and &quot;love&quot;, if everyone is being all polite and reasonable like this?" CreationDate="2017-07-11T06:29:35.127" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22077" PostId="9153" Score="0" Text="Indeed.  In penance, I will downvote 50 poor questions and leave at least three &quot;You have no idea what you're doing&quot; comments." CreationDate="2017-07-12T00:05:51.943" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22079" PostId="9154" Score="6" Text="You're paying for the advertising, not the answer." CreationDate="2017-07-16T14:21:17.113" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="22080" PostId="9155" Score="1" Text="For someone without a lot of rep, I wouldn't call any bounty &quot;silly&quot;, but that's just me. And restoring from backup already didn't work." CreationDate="2017-07-16T16:16:52.777" UserId="197784" />
  <row Id="22081" PostId="9159" Score="0" Text="Apparently, if one of the most active close vote reviewers mostly stops reviewing, then the queue grows and grows." CreationDate="2017-07-25T18:03:20.717" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="22082" PostId="9159" Score="0" Text="@Ward Thanks :-) In my case, there was an external constraint, too. But I was only one, and a decision requires 3-5 voters." CreationDate="2017-07-26T08:34:16.650" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="22084" PostId="9162" Score="1" Text="The diamond ♦ behind a username indicates that a [community moderator](https://serverfault.com/users?tab=moderators), in this case Sven,  put your question on hold as **off-topic**. `-|-`&#xA;&#xA;There are a limited number of default closure reasons both regular users and moderators can select when they encounter a question that is not [on topic](https://serverfault.com/help/on-topic).  By necessity such *default closure reasons* are quite broad. `-|-` IMHO Frequently port forwarding issues imply that a question is not about **managing information technology systems in a business environment**." CreationDate="2017-08-02T10:12:12.873" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22085" PostId="9162" Score="5" Text="@HBruijn: Yes, that's my reasoning. Port forwarding has nearly never a place in a proper production environment and having to use it is a strong indication for either a home or a dev environment, both of which are [off-topic](http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic)." CreationDate="2017-08-02T20:31:32.963" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22087" PostId="9164" Score="1" Text="Referring: [Have we given up on the review queue?](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/9105/have-we-given-up-on-the-review-queue). Motivated by the [same solution](https://physics.meta.stackexchange.com/a/9557/32426) for the same problem on another site." CreationDate="2017-08-06T21:12:00.140" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="22094" PostId="9168" Score="2" Text="Possible duplicate of:  https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3706/how-to-deal-with-bad-questions-vote" CreationDate="2017-08-17T00:17:42.000" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="22098" PostId="9168" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 Ok, but the concept of the SE is the community moderation. Mods are for human exception handling, not for micro-management. The mod decisions are decisive, single-person decisions, but this has also a disadvantage: they are much lesser defendable. Furthermore, if their activity will be the overwhelming majority in the VtC reviews, it will further distract the remaining reviewers. Finally, only they will moderate, and we will have essentially an irc channel, or a newsgroup. I don't think it would be the SE way." CreationDate="2017-08-17T15:24:40.723" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="22100" PostId="9168" Score="0" Text="I gonna erase my comment, I think iam offtopic on your question, to encourage's member, not bring new member" CreationDate="2017-08-17T17:00:02.737" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22104" PostId="9170" Score="5" Text="Since you edited the question, it was automatically put in the &quot;reopen&quot; queue, allowing other users with enough reputation to vote to reopen if they agree with you. I have verified that it is indeed in the queue." CreationDate="2017-08-21T14:44:27.457" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22105" PostId="9172" Score="0" Text="My theory is the one that choosen the color theme in the past was colourblind" CreationDate="2017-08-29T11:04:02.893" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22110" PostId="9172" Score="1" Text="I agree that the color contrast is not that good. That said, [the last time a Q&amp;A site got custom design was 2016-10-06.](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/89?m=6140766#6140766), so I won't give a high expectation to this..." CreationDate="2017-08-29T15:02:02.553" UserId="252799" />
  <row Id="22111" PostId="9172" Score="0" Text="@AndrewT. it was even reported to Jin in 2015, for the answer part, but totally ignored. There http://meta.serverfault.com/a/8027/126632" CreationDate="2017-08-29T18:51:35.613" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22113" PostId="9172" Score="1" Text="@yagmoth555 Okay so this is already discussed still I hope in future, this point will consider." CreationDate="2017-08-30T04:16:56.253" UserId="413527" />
  <row Id="22114" PostId="9172" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 I have to repeat for the accepted answer and not accepted ones, actually very confusing. So the box and has **dark green outline** is the **accepted** one and _only box_ is **not accepted** and _without box_, **no answer**." CreationDate="2017-08-30T04:25:06.887" UserId="413527" />
  <row Id="22116" PostId="9172" Score="1" Text="@daisy I agree with you, my point was more we (as the SF community) got ignored for that design, but I like to see the point comingback, as  maybe someday it will change if we keep tàking about it" CreationDate="2017-08-30T18:28:22.547" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22117" PostId="9178" Score="0" Text="`I'd suggest making your edit more &quot;streamlined&quot; with the rest of the post you're augmenting` – this is right to the point. Will keep it in mind from now on" CreationDate="2017-09-04T09:28:22.127" UserId="181261" />
  <row Id="22118" PostId="9179" Score="0" Text="Also, this question appears to be domestic/consumer related, how is this one good any my question bad? If someone could explain I would be most grateful https://serverfault.com/questions/486500/should-i-put-the-os-of-a-game-server-minecraft-onto-an-ssd?rq=1" CreationDate="2017-09-08T16:57:24.893" UserId="434710" />
  <row Id="22119" PostId="9179" Score="0" Text="In short: I don't think it is, by todays standard (which has shifted over time).  Also, it is four years old." CreationDate="2017-09-08T17:12:56.527" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22123" PostId="9179" Score="1" Text="Not sure that there really is a good place for Minecraft questions on StackExchange.  I find https://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/ to be pretty good though." CreationDate="2017-09-08T17:44:08.030" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="22120" PostId="9180" Score="0" Text="Just thought it was a bit harsh. I did try to post it on the right Stack site but clearly got it wrong. Is there a Stack site where you can ask where a question should go? I keep getting tripped up by this problem!" CreationDate="2017-09-08T17:23:44.143" UserId="434710" />
  <row Id="22121" PostId="9180" Score="0" Text="[meta.se] is a generic meta site, but I am not sure if they allow this type of question. You can always ask on any sites meta to check if a particular question is welcome." CreationDate="2017-09-08T17:38:29.010" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22122" PostId="9180" Score="0" Text="Will ask on the meta sites first then, thanks. I keep getting my rep hammered just because I misunderstand the definitions! Thanks again" CreationDate="2017-09-08T17:40:44.833" UserId="434710" />
  <row Id="22124" PostId="9181" Score="1" Text="The real reason why this question is off-topic is because it is dealing with your personal learning environment, not a production use case. This is always [off-topic](http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic). My guess is that  this was therefore considered a learning material recommendation by the voting users, for the lack of better prepared close vote choices." CreationDate="2017-09-10T23:04:26.127" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22126" PostId="9184" Score="0" Text="In general self answering and thereby contributing to the public knowledge is encouraged. - Although the above scenario sounds more like the kind of issues you would only face in lab environments and not so much in production environments and therefore not quite topical, but I can be mistaken for  I'm more an open Source guy" CreationDate="2017-09-19T16:57:22.910" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22127" PostId="9184" Score="1" Text="Even if I use SF I have also a free wordpress site for such blog post. SF is good for Q/A, but for a blog I prefer a blogging platform." CreationDate="2017-09-20T03:12:06.523" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22151" PostId="9186" Score="1" Text="Thanks for bringing this up and the QA you wrote. Highly appreciated!" CreationDate="2017-10-17T13:11:38.443" UserId="269679" />
  <row Id="22132" PostId="9190" Score="5" Text="We are a site for professionals managing information technology systems in a business environment and as such we have certain professional expectations when people ask a question here, and one of those expectations is that you will have done some **research**, found and **read the vendor documentation** and/or **tried a solution** before asking the internet for help. Only then can you  [write that great question](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/3609/37681) that we can help you answer. -&#xA; Your question doesn't show any of that and would have been closed by me for that reason alone, regardless." CreationDate="2017-10-11T12:35:57.913" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22134" PostId="9190" Score="0" Text="I have done a week of research before posting a question, @HBruijn this is not a satisfying answer." CreationDate="2017-10-11T12:52:37.597" UserDisplayName="user203492" />
  <row Id="22136" PostId="9190" Score="3" Text="It is not enough to do the research; you also need to apply it when you are writing your question. It would also be a good idea to spend a little more research time on following [the link in the comment](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/3609/37681)." CreationDate="2017-10-11T13:19:32.750" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22137" PostId="9190" Score="0" Text="@JennyD it might be  a good  idea not to use servrfult anymore.  Adios" CreationDate="2017-10-11T13:32:21.573" UserDisplayName="user203492" />
  <row Id="22138" PostId="9190" Score="0" Text="As orher stated about dev tool, a good example that look like your question (on SO) https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35756663/api-gateway-vs-reverse-proxy" CreationDate="2017-10-11T14:30:45.527" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22139" PostId="9190" Score="2" Text="As I mentioned **your question doesn't show** what research you did, instead it gives me ***the impression*** that you didn't invest any effort yet (but expect our community to do)." CreationDate="2017-10-11T15:24:47.993" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22133" PostId="9191" Score="1" Text="Then why is &quot;amazon-api-gateway&quot; tag avaliable in serverfault. ?" CreationDate="2017-10-11T12:44:54.417" UserDisplayName="user203492" />
  <row Id="22135" PostId="9191" Score="2" Text="@Ryu_hayabusa: Mainly, because everyone with 300 reputation points can create tags. Also, while I can't come up with an example right now, I can imagine that there might be questions that involve this topic that are on topic." CreationDate="2017-10-11T13:14:02.280" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22144" PostId="9192" Score="2" Text="See there for an example use of that button; https://meta.serverfault.com/q/8305/256639 That allow to create like a poll :)" CreationDate="2017-10-11T19:47:23.540" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22140" PostId="9193" Score="0" Text="First, no it doesn't bother me, I'm just curious. Second, I've never seen a post with more than one answer of the same user, that's all." CreationDate="2017-10-11T19:10:27.877" UserId="109833" />
  <row Id="22141" PostId="9193" Score="1" Text="I don't believe I've used this ever either, but the same software powers all of [SE] and other sites (e.g. [SO]) might have more use for it." CreationDate="2017-10-11T19:13:51.570" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22142" PostId="9193" Score="0" Text="I've edited my question." CreationDate="2017-10-11T19:17:25.063" UserId="109833" />
  <row Id="22143" PostId="9193" Score="1" Text="@ItaiGanot its mostly used for question on meta, like a burnination, yes or no" CreationDate="2017-10-11T19:23:51.640" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22145" PostId="9193" Score="2" Text="@yagmoth555, while it may not be as important on [sf], there are sites on the SE network where it gets used outside of meta or very well could be. For instance I know I have seen users provide multiple answers on the [Code Golf](https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/) site (where the poster provides answers from two different programming languages). I could also see it being used on the sites for social interactions (lets the community vote on different ways to handle a situation), recommendation sites (hardware or software), language sites (especially dealing with slang related questions), etc.." CreationDate="2017-10-12T01:53:09.787" UserId="167012" />
  <row Id="22160" PostId="9193" Score="0" Text="&quot;multiple ways to solve a particular problem&quot; - and having these as multiple answers allows you to link back to a particular solution." CreationDate="2017-11-02T08:19:31.603" UserId="49157" />
  <row Id="22153" PostId="9200" Score="0" Text="The help page [.../help/deleted-questions](https://serverfault.com/help/deleted-questions) indicates that also when there is already a single answer, the OP  can also still delete the question as long as that answer has garnered no up votes. - No idea what happens for the edge-case where if the OP self-answered and that is the only answer, but it does have up votes..." CreationDate="2017-10-18T12:04:56.130" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22156" PostId="9200" Score="2" Text="@HBruijn: Ah, yes, you are right. The edge case likely could be resolved by just deleting your own answer and then the question, as you can delete your own answers even if they have upvotes." CreationDate="2017-10-18T12:29:27.003" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22157" PostId="9200" Score="0" Text="I would just add that if the question was downvoted, even erased it still count toward the ban on asking question" CreationDate="2017-10-18T17:51:38.427" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22165" PostId="9207" Score="0" Text="There is a skip button - use it." CreationDate="2017-11-21T19:45:24.183" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22166" PostId="9207" Score="0" Text="@user430214 Hmm.. didn't read my entire question, I'm guessing?" CreationDate="2017-11-21T19:48:48.833" UserId="213609" />
  <row Id="22174" PostId="9207" Score="0" Text="I agree with other, I skip a lot! as myselft iam focussed Microsoft also" CreationDate="2017-11-23T10:55:04.163" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22167" PostId="9208" Score="0" Text="I wonder if this is really a review problem or an opportunity to further spin off site(s) from SF. Yes, there is overlap between LAMP and Microsoft, but I'm starting to think a separate Microsoft servers and services focused stack may be justified. Assuming it hasn't already been proposed and declined in Area 51 (which it probably has). Anyway, thanks for clarifying!" CreationDate="2017-11-21T20:03:01.180" UserId="213609" />
  <row Id="22168" PostId="9208" Score="0" Text="I don't believe SE would want to go there. SO is massive and could be split into at least half a dozen sub sites, but they still keep this behemoth going. With SF, personally I wouldn't want this to happen because I've learned a lot just by browsing questions about things I don't know much about and I would most likely not go over to MS related site on a regular basis." CreationDate="2017-11-21T20:07:13.667" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22169" PostId="9208" Score="0" Text="Good points. That said, I note the existing of both a Unix/Linux stack and a dedicated Ubuntu stack. Another point against a separate Microsoft stack is that there really doesn't seem to be as much Microsoft traffic on SF, by a wide margin. If a Microsoft stack magically appeared overnight, it might never make it out of beta for lack of sufficient interest separate from SF, unlike the Unix/Linux and Ubuntu stacks." CreationDate="2017-11-21T20:12:23.163" UserId="213609" />
  <row Id="22170" PostId="9208" Score="2" Text="UL and AskUbuntu exist for &quot;user&quot; questions.  SF is a professionally-focused site.  And yes, the &quot;skip&quot; button is your friend (I hammer it regularly)." CreationDate="2017-11-21T23:34:05.393" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22175" PostId="9208" Score="0" Text="@ToddWilcox I doubth too that another stack can be useful, as the lack of questions about MS product is not because SF dont serve them well, its because MS direct new user to the technet forum first. (Kinda why Iam happy on SF, lot less entry level questions here usually)" CreationDate="2017-11-23T11:02:01.673" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22171" PostId="9210" Score="0" Text="This is exactly my concern: wouldn't it be understood as if I'm asking to &quot;do my job for me&quot; but essentially it is not my intent?" CreationDate="2017-11-21T23:41:59.367" UserId="153238" />
  <row Id="22172" PostId="9210" Score="3" Text="We're OK with &quot;I'm stuck on this specific thing&quot;; we're not OK with &quot;please do my *whole* job for me&quot;.  My threshold for &quot;too broad&quot; is, &quot;if I were still a consultant, and a client asked me this question, would I bother sending out an invoice for the job, or just chalk it up to goodwill?&quot;  If the former, the question is too broad.  I know it's a subjective thing, and I was an absolute softie for freebies..." CreationDate="2017-11-21T23:56:06.353" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22173" PostId="9210" Score="1" Text="I think, I've got your point, thanks. BTW &quot;I'm stuck on this specific thing&quot; -- is exactly, what I feel." CreationDate="2017-11-21T23:58:59.953" UserId="153238" />
  <row Id="22176" PostId="9212" Score="1" Text="More to the point, we already have a noticeable body of questions along these lines." CreationDate="2017-11-28T21:48:08.500" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22182" PostId="9218" Score="0" Text="Agreed. I've found the vast majority of content on SE has at least six characters worth of missing or unnecessary punctuation and/or white space, or a list could be turned into a bullets, spelling, emphasis, title cleanup, etc., etc." CreationDate="2017-12-15T22:00:20.863" UserId="213609" />
  <row Id="22183" PostId="9219" Score="0" Text="What is &quot;edit farming&quot;? And what is different about the old posts that means they couldn't benefit from more clarity? I suppose if a question has a highly voted accepted answer then maybe it makes a lot less sense to edit anything, but we keep getting five+ year old questions about obsolete technology bumped to the home page with the implication that someone should try to actually answer the question after all this time and IMHO if the question could be helped by edits then those edits are valuable." CreationDate="2017-12-15T22:08:55.343" UserId="213609" />
  <row Id="22184" PostId="9219" Score="0" Text="Edit farming is the practice of low-rep users systematically making minor fixups in a large number of posts in order to reap the edit bonuses.  My feeling (and it's just my feeling - this is meta, after all) is that old questions with no answers are probably bad questions (or they'd have answers by now) whose askers have long since gone (any sysadmin problem you haven't solved after five years is irrelevant).  I have no desire whatsoever to see them re-appear on the front page, least of all because they've just had errors corrected that should never have been there in the first place." CreationDate="2017-12-16T07:10:01.790" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="22185" PostId="9219" Score="0" Text="There’s an automatic system that bumps questions to the home page if they haven’t been answered. Edits are not the primary resurrector of obselete questions. Edit farming sounds like a huge amount of work for hardly any reward. After you’ve made your eyes bleed by doing 1000 approved edits, you’ve managed to make it so edits no longer get you rep. And you have a few other privileges. Hooray. So it seems like something no one in their right mind would do." CreationDate="2017-12-16T07:54:14.420" UserId="213609" />
  <row Id="22186" PostId="9219" Score="2" Text="Oddly, I know about the community bump - and it only affects two posts an hour, which I can live with.  If you think edit farming doesn't happen, I recommend doing the edit review queue assiduously for a few months." CreationDate="2017-12-16T07:56:44.387" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="22178" PostId="9220" Score="0" Text="Works for me as expected, I won't act on this review though so others can check this as well.  That said, I really dislike this edit..." CreationDate="2017-12-09T18:57:43.927" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22179" PostId="9220" Score="0" Text="@Sven Maybe it looks different for moderators. I might have clicked &quot;Reject and Edit&quot; on that review, if the button had been there. Too many pointless changes in that suggested edit and some of them are strictly for the worse. I did however notice one place where the edit was fixing a mistake in the original." CreationDate="2017-12-09T19:29:06.073" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22180" PostId="9220" Score="0" Text="I see all the buttons too, but again, diamond powahs... and I'm in the &quot;nopetopus&quot; camp on that edit, as well.  It's invasive _and_ introduces errors." CreationDate="2017-12-09T21:56:15.213" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22181" PostId="9220" Score="1" Text="I have the same issue with that particular edit review, and would also have rejected it if possible." CreationDate="2017-12-11T14:20:46.743" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22195" PostId="9220" Score="1" Text="I've now rejected the edit, but I've no clue what the issue was with it." CreationDate="2017-12-22T11:47:20.287" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22187" PostId="9225" Score="1" Text="It is closed because it is not a good example of an SF question." CreationDate="2017-12-17T18:44:45.700" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22188" PostId="9225" Score="4" Text="I'd certainly like to hear from some of the people who voted to close it. The listed close reason makes no sense at all, and I don't see why this should be closed at all. It's a clear question with a definite solution." CreationDate="2017-12-17T18:55:37.643" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22189" PostId="9226" Score="0" Text="I definitely would like to see a better question with a better set of answers, but that's not how things go sometimes.  In terms of it being closed, I figured I was just missing something and if not, it would nice to see it reopened." CreationDate="2017-12-18T03:17:15.237" UserId="149459" />
  <row Id="22190" PostId="9227" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the insight. Not to be argumentative but IMO, they really needed to post their entire iptable for troubleshooting, as convoluted as it might be and as poorly as their iptable might be implemented. And they did try to narrow down the problem to a specific rule via the OPs &quot;...After some attempts, I find that the problem is in the INPUT policy, and not...&quot;  Personally as a person  seeking help from peers, I would hope some unintentional ignorance would be acceptable." CreationDate="2017-12-18T18:45:01.093" UserId="149459" />
  <row Id="22191" PostId="9227" Score="2" Text="No.  If you're seeking help from peers in this case, you're a professional sysadmin who understands IP networking and the nature of first-dispositive-match-wins filters; unintentional ignorance at that level is sloppiness.  Or you're not, in which case you're not asking peers, you're asking seasoned pros to give up their time to help you." CreationDate="2017-12-21T12:07:03.253" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="22192" PostId="9228" Score="0" Text="+1 and probably on the non-professional SE sites." CreationDate="2017-12-21T14:59:47.530" UserId="149459" />
  <row Id="22194" PostId="9228" Score="0" Text="I'd prefer a question that goes even further into generic: &quot;How do I troubleshoot firewall rules&quot;." CreationDate="2017-12-21T18:29:53.367" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22216" PostId="9229" Score="0" Text="Are you sure that you hit a window where the item was selected just before all required reviews were made?  Thus there would be no need for any more reviews.  Agreed that this would be a narrow window but I have run into this occasionally." CreationDate="2018-01-18T19:31:20.000" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="22217" PostId="9229" Score="0" Text="@mdpc The problem was present for at least two weeks every time that particular review came up." CreationDate="2018-01-18T21:29:45.873" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22193" PostId="9231" Score="0" Text="I think you got it; it really should be posted on Unix SE or Superuser.  Thank you for the insight!" CreationDate="2017-12-21T15:00:19.720" UserId="149459" />
  <row Id="22200" PostId="9233" Score="3" Text="The trouble is that RPi.se don't want technical Unix questions, see point 5 in their off topic list [here][1] . They really should be migrated to unix.se. See also [this][2] and it's references.&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;  [1]: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic&#xA;  [2]: https://raspberrypi.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/464/raspberry-pis-and-server-fault" CreationDate="2018-01-06T18:24:39.643" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22201" PostId="9233" Score="1" Text="I would note too that often adding enterprise software on a PI can potentially make the subjet ontopic there, thus I always double check those question before a casting a move." CreationDate="2018-01-08T15:12:43.563" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22208" PostId="9233" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555: It's wide consensus here that RPi isn't a valid server platform and thus, all questions regarding this are [off-topic](http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic). See https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5586/are-raspberrypis-ever-on-topic-for-serverfault. I would close with the &quot;off topic because no reasonable business management practice&quot; close reason." CreationDate="2018-01-10T15:54:33.537" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22209" PostId="9233" Score="1" Text="@Sven I used to agree with you, as I was even against the use of small box (RPI included) to create soho homemade router, like for use with ddwrt or pfsense, but strangely the community let those question open, its another topic on the other side, but if the rpi is accepted for one enterprise use, for me its all or nothing." CreationDate="2018-01-10T17:08:59.290" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23197" PostId="9233" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 Should it really be all or nothing? You can use an Android phone as a mail server, but I don't think configuring mail servers on Android is acceptable here at SF. However, configuring Android to work on your corporate network is on-topic, so each system I think can be more nuanced in policy based on application." CreationDate="2023-06-13T12:13:23.143" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="22203" PostId="9235" Score="1" Text="I would say delete it - it's not really a solution." CreationDate="2018-01-09T06:13:53.237" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22202" PostId="9236" Score="1" Text="thanks, posted the &quot;solved by restarting&quot;" CreationDate="2018-01-09T02:49:54.363" UserId="26200" />
  <row Id="22204" PostId="9236" Score="2" Text="Surely the goal here should be to have answers that solve the root cause so that people don't have to restart their production servers to 'fix' problems." CreationDate="2018-01-09T06:27:08.507" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22205" PostId="9236" Score="0" Text="@user449299 its a solution until a real solution is found." CreationDate="2018-01-09T11:15:58.970" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22221" PostId="9236" Score="0" Text="No, it's a *band-aid* until a real solution is found. A lousy one at that." CreationDate="2018-01-26T04:27:00.160" UserId="205065" />
  <row Id="22222" PostId="9236" Score="0" Text="@TwistyImpersonator It was my point, but the question is well wrote and can deserve a better answer later on is my idea, as we agree that if a reboot resolve the issue, the trouble will most probably come back" CreationDate="2018-01-26T16:57:07.697" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22223" PostId="9236" Score="1" Text="@yagmoth555 it would be good to note that directly in your answer." CreationDate="2018-01-26T16:59:18.437" UserId="205065" />
  <row Id="22206" PostId="9237" Score="2" Text="If the problem is not actually solved, then theoretically it will come back. So the question still needs an answer. So it seems to me a good course is to edit the question with &quot;restarting has caused the problem to go away, at least for now&quot; and leave it for a more permanent answer." CreationDate="2018-01-09T20:54:31.503" UserId="213609" />
  <row Id="22207" PostId="9237" Score="0" Text="so, let the question open until the time it occurred again and I updated it with more findings?" CreationDate="2018-01-10T09:01:11.450" UserId="26200" />
  <row Id="22210" PostId="9237" Score="0" Text="@ariefbayu It was my idea, and Todd explained the point better, but the community seem to not think like me" CreationDate="2018-01-10T17:13:33.600" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22211" PostId="9237" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 yeah, no problem. I guess I'll just let it open and if the community think it should be deleted, I'll let them delete it." CreationDate="2018-01-11T01:49:39.087" UserId="26200" />
  <row Id="22213" PostId="9239" Score="1" Text="It seems to me that asking questions on this site requires a lot of careful wording. Askers have to defend or pretend good faith in order to pass the intent checking. Nevertheless, a policy circumventer can learn the skill by reading a good faith question, substitute the URL with the website he wants to bypass." CreationDate="2018-01-17T19:49:30.810" UserId="149271" />
  <row Id="22214" PostId="9239" Score="2" Text="@QiqiGu I can only answer questions in good faith as a professional that appear to be asked in good faith, so to speak. The asker's, or a random third party's intentions and ethics are their own to police, not mine." CreationDate="2018-01-17T21:17:10.263" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="22215" PostId="9239" Score="2" Text="@Gqqnbig or you could, you know, just *not* ask questions in bad faith.  No need to pretend then." CreationDate="2018-01-17T22:52:33.000" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22220" PostId="9239" Score="2" Text="@Gqqnbig I think this is what wombie's last comment is about - Since I'm only ever asking questions about problems I have with professional system administration, and I don't have to try to simplify my questions for the audience here since everyone else is a sysadmin, I find it very **easy** to word my questions here. I just type them up naturally as if I were talking to a sysadmin sitting right next to me. Somehow I magically have never been grilled on the intent of my questions. Probably because my intent is always obviously to solve a real world problem I'm having in a professional setting." CreationDate="2018-01-20T15:46:13.340" UserId="213609" />
  <row Id="23123" PostId="9239" Score="0" Text="Late to a party but there is additional important consideration. Questions about circumventing authority-induced censorship (Russia, Iran, China) happen from time to time. While technically avoiding the censorship might be the against the law in those countries, it is actually because the law is violating the human rights and it is good thing to help people to have a free speech. The only unfortunate problem is that usually those questions are full of other problems (bad statement, clearly insufficient competence and so on). But those should not be closed because of policy violation per se." CreationDate="2023-03-24T07:59:18.477" UserId="325117" />
  <row Id="22218" PostId="9241" Score="2" Text="ahhh....nice answer, but I meant for normal folks with under 25000 points." CreationDate="2018-01-18T21:49:06.357" UserId="1592" />
  <row Id="22219" PostId="9241" Score="2" Text="@mdpc Oh, I totally forgot, there are a few stats available at 10K. Answer updated." CreationDate="2018-01-18T22:01:20.587" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22224" PostId="9244" Score="1" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting" CreationDate="2018-01-29T05:11:29.837" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="22225" PostId="9244" Score="1" Text="I think this year we'll do the same thing with the Twitter ad as we have done for the last several years. :)" CreationDate="2018-01-29T19:10:46.530" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22226" PostId="9247" Score="1" Text="Oh! No problem! I raised the flag when there was no answer. And I honestly didn't see it later. I guess [this is gonna be pending till eternity](https://serverfault.com/review/suggested-edits/355651). ;-)" CreationDate="2018-01-31T09:31:34.263" UserId="442828" />
  <row Id="22227" PostId="9247" Score="1" Text="Oh,  I didn't know suggested edits keep pending even if the original post gets deleted. I accepted the edit now :)" CreationDate="2018-01-31T09:39:15.373" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22231" PostId="9254" Score="2" Text="But it's sent from &quot;StackOverflow&quot; not the other way!" CreationDate="2018-02-04T03:27:40.740" UserId="6047" />
  <row Id="22232" PostId="9254" Score="2" Text="SO's what the company's called soooo...." CreationDate="2018-02-05T09:55:32.117" UserId="33193" />
  <row Id="22234" PostId="9259" Score="2" Text="Can you provide an example for the big differences which require separate tags, so that we can follow your suggestion? Do you really want the tags `lto`, `lto-1`, `lto-2`, `lto-3`, `lto-4`, `lto-5`, `lto-6`, `lto-7` and `lto-8` on sx? Even now they are hardly used at all." CreationDate="2018-02-12T14:19:04.193" UserId="241106" />
  <row Id="22235" PostId="9259" Score="2" Text="The fact that an LTO6 drive can't even read a LTO2 tape is more then enough difference for me. Again, we  could make the same argument for things like Windows Server." CreationDate="2018-02-12T14:27:57.120" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22236" PostId="9259" Score="2" Text="The commands and usage of the drive and this is what counts - are independent of the generation." CreationDate="2018-02-12T14:31:46.570" UserId="241106" />
  <row Id="22237" PostId="9259" Score="2" Text="It makes no sense to compare a hardware tape drive family with software by Microsoft. Why should tape drives differ so extremely that we need separate tags, just because some random server software does this too?" CreationDate="2018-02-12T14:36:08.720" UserId="241106" />
  <row Id="22238" PostId="9259" Score="1" Text="Where do we draw the line? When are differences large enough to warrant different tags? In my book, if different products of the same category can't interoperate at all, we are far beyond that line." CreationDate="2018-02-12T14:42:47.833" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22239" PostId="9259" Score="1" Text="@JonasStein I seen old system (kind of as/400) that needed a type of lto tape to have it detected, so yes the format is important. and the day you will have to restore a DB from those tape, you have to know what kind of lto tape you have, it's important. For a question like you have I agree that just lto would be ok, but there is scenario where it's important" CreationDate="2018-02-12T14:47:24.830" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22240" PostId="9259" Score="1" Text="@yagmoth555 thank you. I clarified my suggestion with your help." CreationDate="2018-02-13T08:59:35.097" UserId="241106" />
  <row Id="22244" PostId="9261" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the input, I learned a lesson and changed my mind. I have improved both the question and answer to be more usable." CreationDate="2018-02-22T03:47:29.213" UserId="457400" />
  <row Id="22245" PostId="9261" Score="2" Text="Well, it’s VLQ because the OP doesn’t understand how domain controllers work.  They don’t really have local accounts, and the default Adminstrator account is only accessible when booting into DSRM (directory services restore mode), not normal operation.  So, actually, that self answered QA is a raging dumpster fire, and probably should be deleted, though not for the reasons given by the OP here." CreationDate="2018-02-22T04:54:35.657" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="22246" PostId="9262" Score="1" Text="Ah, thanks for reminding me about DSRM, but I think you missed one thing. As far as I remember, the local admin account used to _install AD_, is copied or &quot;converted&quot; to a domain user and the &quot;original&quot; is preserved in DSRM, so it becomes two separate accounts (and profiles). There is at least always a &quot;default&quot; **Administrator** account in the `Users` folder in the root of the AD, with the description _&quot;Built-in account for administering the computer/domain&quot;_." CreationDate="2018-02-22T05:38:55.817" UserId="457400" />
  <row Id="22247" PostId="9262" Score="1" Text="@PatrikN The last couple domains I stood up, I did so using a local administrator account named &quot;setup&quot; that was not a built-in default, and I'm almost 100% sure that I didn't end up with a &quot;setup&quot; domain account in the new domains. I can't recall off the top of my head if the default, built-in domain\Administrator account is related to the default, built-in *local* Administrator account from the member server that's promoted to the first domain controller, but that's kind of academic - either way, the two are distinct accounts, with different GIUDs and SIDs." CreationDate="2018-02-22T06:05:39.467" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="22252" PostId="9262" Score="1" Text="Well, maybe it's just the _user profile_, but never mind now. And thanks for joining and looking at the issue." CreationDate="2018-02-22T13:21:05.077" UserId="457400" />
  <row Id="22248" PostId="9263" Score="3" Text="Wow, that's a total dumpster fire, indeed.  I would reiterate that Windows Domain controllers don't have local accounts, so you may have *thought* you were logging in with a local account, but you weren't.  Like servers, Windows domains have built-in users and groups, and I think you're just confusing the built-in local accounts with the built-in domain accounts.  Also, your question doesn't mention SBS, which would have been an important detail, because SBS is a dumpster fire in its own right." CreationDate="2018-02-22T06:39:10.187" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="22249" PostId="9263" Score="2" Text="Yea, definitely was a bad situation all around.  Agreed there no local accounts on DCs.  Did I refer to local accounts somewhere?  I didn't think I had.  I did incorrectly refer to the &quot;Allow logon locally&quot; https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/threat-protection/security-policy-settings/allow-log-on-locally  policy setting as &quot;Allow local logon&quot; (it was close!) .  I should have mentioned the origins in SBS (though it had been upgraded to Standard).  Thanks for the feedback." CreationDate="2018-02-22T06:57:43.230" UserId="123717" />
  <row Id="22250" PostId="9263" Score="1" Text="I'll delete the question." CreationDate="2018-02-22T07:00:14.050" UserId="123717" />
  <row Id="22251" PostId="9263" Score="1" Text="`The default administrator account is no longer a member of BuildIn\Administrators group` is what I was going off of.  That group is almost always mentioned in reference to the built-in local group in Windows land, IME.  Though you're right, you didn't explicitly say anything about local groups, and I read that into your question and answer (which I realize is a lot more ambiguous than it first appeared, now that I've re-read them.)." CreationDate="2018-02-22T07:06:24.110" UserId="118258" />
  <row Id="22253" PostId="9263" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the input @scotru! Maybe I should have contacted or mentioned you more directly from the beginning, but I'm glad you bumped in and provided that explanation. It can really be a mess, if _display_ and _usernames_ are different. I accepted your answer instead, since that was of course the best ;-)" CreationDate="2018-02-22T13:25:21.697" UserId="457400" />
  <row Id="22254" PostId="9263" Score="1" Text="I think this long explanation would be very useful in the answer to the actual question. Any mistake made by one person can be made by another person, who may benefit from learning from the first one." CreationDate="2018-02-23T08:21:04.507" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22255" PostId="9264" Score="2" Text="Everyone here seems to still call them Brocade as well. I'm not sure any new tags are necessary." CreationDate="2018-02-27T16:44:53.427" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22256" PostId="9264" Score="2" Text="I had a Ruckus salesperson on the phone to me the other week, trying to get me to buy Ruckus and Brocade all in one go. She still seemed to call it brocade too." CreationDate="2018-02-27T21:12:03.273" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="22257" PostId="9264" Score="1" Text="Maybe they still have inventory with the old branding." CreationDate="2018-02-27T21:14:50.053" UserId="64818" />
  <row Id="22258" PostId="9272" Score="0" Text="Mhhh makes sense. Thanks for the clarification !" CreationDate="2018-03-10T22:45:07.063" UserId="375095" />
  <row Id="22259" PostId="9272" Score="0" Text="And...actually I'm pretty sure my own mediocre knowledge of MySQL was sufficient to answer it." CreationDate="2018-03-12T17:35:40.640" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22260" PostId="9272" Score="0" Text="Also, is there a way to know for how long we've been banned ? Nothing seems to indicate that." CreationDate="2018-03-13T11:53:39.970" UserId="375095" />
  <row Id="22262" PostId="9275" Score="1" Text="The question was [reviewed for reopening](https://serverfault.com/review/reopen/360150) a week ago. I do not know why the community members voted as they did." CreationDate="2018-03-17T20:19:29.787" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22263" PostId="9275" Score="1" Text="I would maybe edit it to put section, question, symptom, what you tried and result, as a edit will force another review" CreationDate="2018-03-19T01:30:00.733" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22264" PostId="9275" Score="0" Text="A note, the question is now open." CreationDate="2018-03-20T20:08:11.023" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22267" PostId="9277" Score="0" Text="And yet the number of major browsers and different possible behaviours is still finite, and giving an answer that carefully describes many different browser-specific behaviours (*if* they exist) *is* possible. And: all that information is relevant to Jeff's question at https://serverfault.com/q/101053/147556. If this question is too broad, then how can Jeff's question *not* be too broad when any answer to this question would be a relevant subpart of an answer to Jeff's?" CreationDate="2018-04-07T12:38:48.377" UserId="147556" />
  <row Id="22268" PostId="9277" Score="0" Text="It seems to me that the asker in this case is being penalised not for the actual breadth of their question - which is not really that broad, and is far narrower than other questions on the topic - but for *acknowledging* its breadth explicitly in the body of the question (by noting that browsers may have different behaviours). I don't think that's right or useful, and think the question should be reopened; an up-to-date answer would be more useful to me than the woolly and subjective takes on DNS round robin that Server Fault *does* allow!" CreationDate="2018-04-07T12:42:46.230" UserId="147556" />
  <row Id="22269" PostId="9277" Score="0" Text="And finally, whatever the merits of *closure*, this answer gives no indication of why the question was *locked*; I don't see any reason for the decision about whether the question should be closed to be made unilaterally by a mod and then taken out of the hands of the community. Though that is something that only @womble may be able to explain." CreationDate="2018-04-07T12:44:12.213" UserId="147556" />
  <row Id="22270" PostId="9277" Score="0" Text="@MarkAmery I removed my other comment, but without any edit from the author I still think its too broad, and I hesitate on the close reason between too broad versus request for learning. I agree with you its an interesting question, but there is no way to get an accepted answer on that question, broad it’s." CreationDate="2018-04-07T16:39:47.590" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22271" PostId="9277" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 So, do you also think that Jeff's question is too broad? Or https://serverfault.com/q/60553/147556? Neither you nor Sven have yet addressed my point that any question about whether it's a good idea to use DNS round robin as a failover technique is necessarily broader than this one, because you need to know the answer to this one in order to have an informed view on whether it makes sense to use DNS round robin for failover... and yet the mods have closed *this* while leaving the other questions that are broader than it alone." CreationDate="2018-04-07T18:17:35.833" UserId="147556" />
  <row Id="22272" PostId="9277" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 As for the request for learning materials close reason, it clearly doesn't apply here; no off-site materials are being requested and none would need to be provided in order to fully answer." CreationDate="2018-04-07T18:18:21.147" UserId="147556" />
  <row Id="22273" PostId="9277" Score="1" Text="@MarkAmery: Jeffs question in a nutshell is *Can this work*, with *Not really, and here is why* being the answer. The other question explicitly asks for a list of browsers and how they behave. I just don't get at all how you come to the conclusion that the former is  broader than the other. The same is true for the third question you linked in your comment. Also, I don't see how the question about how different browsers handle this exactly is relevant to system administration - we don't need this amount of detail to understand the limits of what RRDNS can do." CreationDate="2018-04-07T18:41:09.270" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22274" PostId="9277" Score="0" Text="@Sven it's broader because *if* all major browsers sensibly fall through to the next IP if they fail to connect to one of the IPs returned in an A record, then RRDNS *is* a good failover strategy. The top answer at the second question is incomplete because it just skips that point entirely and assumes that it's necessary to update your DNS record to remove IPs when they become unavailable, which needn't be the case. To determine whether the claim that RRDNS doesn't work as a failover system is actually true, you *have* to know how browsers behave." CreationDate="2018-04-07T23:02:57.900" UserId="147556" />
  <row Id="22275" PostId="9277" Score="0" Text="@MarkAmery It’s broad, don’t think only the browser. Infrastructure: dns; bind? windows server dns? dns appliance? public dns? Now server side, iis? apache? session saved server side? Computer; linux? windows or mac? as they all have a differant tcpip stack, which can impact dns caching. Browser side last there. We could write a book with an answer to that question IMO, as too much dependancy affect the answer." CreationDate="2018-04-07T23:55:09.337" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22276" PostId="9279" Score="1" Text="Deleting [your original closed question](https://serverfault.com/q/907770/) and [reposting it as a new one](https://serverfault.com/questions/907784/) is not the the desired way to get it answered. As the original close reason stated, *&quot;If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, [**please edit the question**](https://serverfault.com/posts/907770/edit)&quot;*. - Questions that are edited within five days of being put on hold are automatically added to a reopening queue for community review." CreationDate="2018-04-16T08:24:37.290" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22277" PostId="9279" Score="0" Text="I did not simply repost the question as a new one. I updated it in detail to describe the use case." CreationDate="2018-04-16T15:23:26.427" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="22278" PostId="9280" Score="0" Text="As I replied to HBruijn, I did not simply repost the question, I edited it to clearly describe in detail that this is being used within scope." CreationDate="2018-04-16T15:24:07.747" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="22279" PostId="9280" Score="0" Text="It is *not* within scope, as you are in a home network. Nothing can make it topical." CreationDate="2018-04-16T15:25:51.890" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22280" PostId="9280" Score="0" Text="I read discussion here over use of the RPi. The RPi is running Debian, this is a network question unrelated to being on a &quot;consumer&quot; connection or &quot;home&quot; network.  Does a $5 DO instance have a hardware GPS with antenna? Good luck running a Stratum One timeserver on DO. There are many questions here on SF that are just beginner questions, but because they ask their question without providing details, they get a pass. The hostile attitude of the moderator is an issue. Funnily enough, my RPi on &quot;home&quot; network is more reliable than some &quot;business&quot; hosting providers I've dealt with." CreationDate="2018-04-16T15:35:37.040" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="22281" PostId="9280" Score="0" Text="Also &quot;they 100% deal with consumer workstations or networking&quot; is false. Please don't misrepresent my question. I think it's unreasonable that the 'rules' are worded in such a vague way that Universities are considered to be in &quot;business&quot;, but an actual business can be rejected. But - I'll let it go at this point. There's a certain elitist mentality here that is very off-putting. If you'd read past the words &quot;Raspberry Pi&quot; in my question, you'd see that it's an interesting issue - but I'm wasting my breath. Thanks for the civil reply, at the very least - unlike the moderator." CreationDate="2018-04-16T15:52:00.843" UserId="79846" />
  <row Id="22282" PostId="9282" Score="2" Text="Canonical GDPR question regarding _how to comply_ &amp; _is it allowed to X_ would be great. I might even ask &amp; self answer one, if I've got some time. Then there's purely technical questions that should be allowed: _to comply GDPR I'll X, is it efficient if I Y_ or _....but I can't get Z working_, where the answer doesn't interpret the regulation, but helps with some actual implementation." CreationDate="2018-04-17T14:44:39.207" UserId="274176" />
  <row Id="22286" PostId="9282" Score="6" Text="In my view, the canonical answer should be like the software licensing one, explaining why we can't really help in most cases. I agree with @EsaJokinen about the &quot;help with actual implementation&quot; part." CreationDate="2018-04-17T19:09:53.837" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22288" PostId="9282" Score="2" Text="Ok, here's something to start with: [Can you help me with my GDPR issue?](https://serverfault.com/questions/908181/can-you-help-me-with-my-gdpr-issue/908182)" CreationDate="2018-04-18T07:20:32.323" UserId="274176" />
  <row Id="22284" PostId="9283" Score="0" Text="Hi, good query, I would see that as a question edit too maybe, as technically that mean the tag use is growing, it was at 120 before in 2015, now at 556. What we do ? as a lot of those question are locked, thus it will need a moderator privilege to clean." CreationDate="2018-04-17T18:03:23.510" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22285" PostId="9283" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I can't edit the question, you need full edit privileges to do so. I understand this does not really answer the question, but as is often the case in [discussion] posts on Meta, I'm just throwing in my 2 cents, and this could (later) serve as a progress report if the community succeeds in cleaning up the tag. I've suggested half a dozen tag edits but the rest of the questions are closed or even locked, as you mention." CreationDate="2018-04-17T18:40:11.203" UserId="283889" />
  <row Id="22297" PostId="9283" Score="1" Text="@yagmoth555 Something else must have been happening. In April 2016 there were [11](https://web.archive.org/web/20160422213426/https://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/untagged) questions left. In June 2016 the tag had been [deleted](https://web.archive.org/web/20160623024257/https://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/untagged). In August 2016 there were [580](https://web.archive.org/web/20160823040102/https://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/untagged). And of the remaining 550 none have been edited since [February 2015](https://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/untagged?sort=active)." CreationDate="2018-04-27T22:46:30.813" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22298" PostId="9283" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 Even more interesting. If we look at the most recently modified among those questions, it did in fact have the tag in [June 2016](https://web.archive.org/web/20160609193306/https://serverfault.com/questions/178308/the-real-world-systems-architect-and-systems-administrator-what-is-the-diffe) between the date where there were 11 left (and that question wasn't one of them) and the date where the tag had been deleted." CreationDate="2018-04-27T22:56:05.707" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22299" PostId="9285" Score="2" Text="No need to explain a vote, but in this case it's good you did (question undeleted)..." CreationDate="2018-04-28T13:01:22.390" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22301" PostId="9287" Score="1" Text="And 7/12 probably exceeds a  threshold of  &gt;50% resulting in the warning." CreationDate="2018-05-07T15:47:49.253" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22302" PostId="9288" Score="0" Text="Upvote for the 1st sentence. This _annoying thing_ lets me now look a bit stupid. I was convinced in the revision history the corrections for deleted questions are visible as I get revision deducted when a user is for example deleted. Now I understand it. It's pity even I cannot see the deleted questions. Especially with my own answers is it a kind of _wiki_ - for example: [this question](https://serverfault.com/questions/777642/build-php7-different-openssl-versions). May be the SO developer can re-consider this." CreationDate="2018-05-07T15:48:47.300" UserId="277875" />
  <row Id="22303" PostId="9288" Score="0" Text="@AlBundy  Just for my own curiosity, once the deleted posts are pointed out to you, can you follow the links and still see them, or are you blocked from **seeing** your own deleted posts too?" CreationDate="2018-05-07T15:51:55.260" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22304" PostId="9288" Score="1" Text="Yes, I can see all of your examples. Really, it's a pity I cannot access them. May be they are for the community worthless but they are documenting my issues and how I solved them." CreationDate="2018-05-07T15:54:46.553" UserId="277875" />
  <row Id="22305" PostId="9288" Score="0" Text="I would edit to strike that 10K user can search deleted content from other users, but unsure of the etiquette :P It's a diamond avantage. See https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/270554/10k-users-can-search-any-users-deleted-content I agree it worked in the past, but they fixed it as a bug (now it's blocked, unless diamond :), but at 10K you can list your own" CreationDate="2018-05-07T16:29:35.740" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22306" PostId="9288" Score="2" Text="@yagmoth555 Thanks for the info and updated accordingly, I have been a mod on ServerFault since 2015 and I'm not active enough on other sites to really be aware of what extra's come with high rep compared to what the diamond unlocks. (seeing versus searching for deleted posts is a subtle one)" CreationDate="2018-05-08T08:15:41.247" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22307" PostId="9288" Score="1" Text="@HBruijn: I've the same problem. I really wish for a `su` like tool where we could see the site as user X (just see, not post as of course)." CreationDate="2018-05-08T08:35:05.373" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22308" PostId="9289" Score="1" Text="Can you link a relevant question? I agree and could just create the tag." CreationDate="2018-05-08T12:48:02.237" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22309" PostId="9289" Score="1" Text="I haven't been paying close attention, but I can't recall seeing _any_ questions specific to PowerShell version 6 yet. If we just aren't getting any questions, do we really need a tag?" CreationDate="2018-05-08T14:51:03.873" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22319" PostId="9295" Score="2" Text="With two versions of your answer on the site, I was able to upvote it twice. :)" CreationDate="2018-05-17T15:50:13.403" UserId="190981" />
  <row Id="22324" PostId="9295" Score="0" Text="or maybe just add a comment on old question that for newer installations, new question (with link to it) may be preferred?" CreationDate="2018-05-20T09:36:51.943" UserId="182307" />
  <row Id="22313" PostId="9296" Score="0" Text="For the record, I've asked the question here: https://serverfault.com/questions/911710/how-to-automate-prevention-of-outbound-emails-to-specific-email-addresses-in-g-s" CreationDate="2018-05-12T11:11:45.260" UserId="170951" />
  <row Id="22311" PostId="9297" Score="0" Text="Great thanks - I'll make sure my question is clear on it being about the technical side, not the GDPR side." CreationDate="2018-05-10T22:34:12.723" UserId="170951" />
  <row Id="22312" PostId="9298" Score="2" Text="Thanks Rob. I think the title of this question was badly worded. What I really mean is &quot;where should I ask a question about Gmail routing options within GSuite&quot;. The GDPR piece is irrelevant - I've edited the question title accordingly." CreationDate="2018-05-12T11:10:42.703" UserId="170951" />
  <row Id="22314" PostId="9299" Score="0" Text="See among others [this Q&amp;A](https://meta.serverfault.com/q/5586/37681) on the community position regarding Raspberry Pi's - despite that there are limited cases where you might use a Raspberry Pi in a production environment, they are considered hobby equipment and off-topic on server fault." CreationDate="2018-05-17T08:35:21.023" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22315" PostId="9299" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn yes I see that but the question is still on-topic because technically the problem I have isn't related to the PI hardware. We had problem yesterday with the USB randomly disconnecting but that's not the Issue I was asking help for." CreationDate="2018-05-17T09:49:24.090" UserId="89827" />
  <row Id="22316" PostId="9299" Score="0" Text="There removed any reference to the raspberrypi and replaced it by kiosk." CreationDate="2018-05-17T10:06:42.720" UserId="89827" />
  <row Id="22317" PostId="9300" Score="0" Text="Sadly it seems on server fault it's better to hide important information to get actual help. If I had a standard network I wouldn't be asking questions." CreationDate="2018-05-17T11:52:13.783" UserId="89827" />
  <row Id="22318" PostId="9300" Score="0" Text="What is your problem? Why don't you try to ask the question at the place that can help you best?" CreationDate="2018-05-17T12:16:22.713" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22320" PostId="9300" Score="0" Text="Routing/Network issues not related to the hardware." CreationDate="2018-05-17T20:11:06.173" UserId="89827" />
  <row Id="22323" PostId="9300" Score="3" Text="@LoïcFaure-Lacroix You have it exactly backward: On SF it is important to _show_ important information. In particular the business context. This is a site about professional IT, not for generic computing questions. This happened precisely because you tried to hide important information." CreationDate="2018-05-18T03:08:27.663" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22325" PostId="9300" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton I tried to hide reference to the PI after it was marked as off topic for being a RaspberryPI question (which isn't), not the other way around." CreationDate="2018-05-21T09:00:03.640" UserId="89827" />
  <row Id="22327" PostId="9300" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton the question didn't hide any information before it was put on hold, the edit I made weren't to hide anything but to move the focus out of the raspberry pi since the question got on hold for this while it's irrelevant." CreationDate="2018-05-21T09:08:23.787" UserId="89827" />
  <row Id="22321" PostId="9301" Score="0" Text="Because the question is about networking in general and not about the raspberrypi. I'd have something else than a PI I'd be asking the same question." CreationDate="2018-05-17T20:12:22.540" UserId="89827" />
  <row Id="22322" PostId="9301" Score="0" Text="@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I agree, but it's what OS in the PI ? it's related to that OS, which the expert are on the other site anyhow. As you guess it's only playing with your routing rule in the PI. The default route 0.0.0.0 should point to your laptop IP in the LAN that will bridge for the internet, and all other traffic will stay inside the LAN. or If you want to make those rule in the router, you need a router that can send ICMP redirect, thus that question will focus on the router now, not the kiosk anyway. The question should had been moved simply imo, as it's not bad, just not ontopic there" CreationDate="2018-05-17T20:20:11.643" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22326" PostId="9301" Score="0" Text="It's debian/Raspbian." CreationDate="2018-05-21T09:00:41.760" UserId="89827" />
  <row Id="22333" PostId="9302" Score="0" Text="A note, If the community dont like my suggestion for the port tag, I suggest to burn it too, as I don't see the use to keep the port tag up, while burning others. (port-80, etc..)" CreationDate="2018-05-23T23:49:12.837" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22335" PostId="9302" Score="4" Text="[tag:port] is a much broader problem than the protocol-specific port tags. Not saying it shouldn't be made to go away also, but it's scale is... trickier." CreationDate="2018-05-23T23:57:26.140" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22328" PostId="9304" Score="4" Text="It's best to use Hyper-V locally if you expect to run the same VMs on Azure." CreationDate="2018-05-22T17:19:57.377" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22341" PostId="9304" Score="3" Text="`What makes virtual box off topic on server fault?` In two words: the moderator." CreationDate="2018-05-26T09:57:10.263" UserId="259376" />
  <row Id="22330" PostId="9306" Score="1" Text="I agree that &quot;emergency&quot; situations might make it kind of necessary to use VBox. The thing remains: Most users on [SF] don't use it, but it's quite popular with end users, so I believe it makes much more sense to ask this e.g. on [SU]." CreationDate="2018-05-23T14:42:58.460" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22331" PostId="9306" Score="0" Text="@Sven I agree with you, as not much user use it, it’s just I can see a use, even if its only for .5% of all questions, I will edit to show more that and I will edit to direct to superuser, good idea" CreationDate="2018-05-23T17:02:45.890" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22332" PostId="9306" Score="3" Text="I can't agree with this answer. Take for example a server platform such as Ubuntu Server LTS for the physical hardware and consider what virtualization environment you would choose. Using software from the standard repositories when applicable is generally a better practice than installing software through other means. Virtualbox is in the standard repositories for Ubuntu Server LTS, but the alternatives you suggest are not." CreationDate="2018-05-23T21:18:46.180" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22336" PostId="9306" Score="3" Text="@kasperd I hear you, and you make a good point, but to my mind it's yet another reason why Ubuntu isn't really suitable for server deployment.  I know this point of view may not be popular, but I'm definitely not willing to cede to Ubuntu the right to determine what constitutes &quot;best professional practice&quot;." CreationDate="2018-05-24T07:17:53.230" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="22337" PostId="9306" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter Ubuntu has one unified way to upgrade all of the installed software from repositories covering pretty much every kind of software you could need and provides updates for 5 years after release. What other server OS offers that?" CreationDate="2018-05-24T21:36:49.923" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22338" PostId="9306" Score="0" Text="@kasperd I didnt know it was used on linux, but on windows the port is far to be enterprise ready by lacking feature like ha. Can we agree that when a user use that vbox tag + windows tag on the main site it’s almost always for a dev machine or a home usage ?" CreationDate="2018-05-24T23:05:47.990" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22339" PostId="9306" Score="0" Text="@kasperd the fact that Ubuntu doesn't do some things wrong is no proof that it does all, or even all important, things right.  Also, CentOS does exactly what you describe, unless I've misunderstood you (except that you get seven years life, not five)." CreationDate="2018-05-25T05:31:00.723" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="22340" PostId="9306" Score="0" Text="@MadHatter I was using Ubuntu as an example because it's a distribution I know. I would expect the same to be true if I had used Centos as an example. What virtualization software in the Centos standard repositories do you consider to render VirtualBox unnecessary?" CreationDate="2018-05-26T09:03:23.543" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22342" PostId="9306" Score="0" Text="@kasperd I now think that the debate on linux is the reason the tag usage is not tagged offtopic directly. Interesting debate it’s for a linux newbie like me. your argument about OS support is interesting too, as I could tell the exact same argument against the OP for windows usage. hyperv got mainstream support vs vbox." CreationDate="2018-05-26T12:30:14.837" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22343" PostId="9306" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 That's quite possible. Since about 2000 I have more or less exclusively been using Unix systems. I had to use Windows for 5 months back in 2006 until I was offered a better job. So I can't really say what support for virtualization on Windows is like these days." CreationDate="2018-05-26T17:41:26.983" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22344" PostId="9306" Score="1" Text="@kasperd qemu/KVM?" CreationDate="2018-05-27T06:42:42.453" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="22471" PostId="9306" Score="0" Text="I disagree with this answer: a company could use a ton of vboxes as stable devlopment environments. Of course a complex configuration is not matter of any 'superuser's, not could be well received in stack exchange because configuring boxes is not a dev matter." CreationDate="2018-08-22T21:18:44.660" UserId="178670" />
  <row Id="22472" PostId="9306" Score="1" Text="@realtebo you jump late in the debate.. SF is about question on production system. I agree in dev it have a use, but you fall out of scoop of SF" CreationDate="2018-08-22T21:41:37.720" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22473" PostId="9306" Score="0" Text="Development environments are _production environment_ for the developers. When a sysadmn assists a team of tens people to their development, this IS a production environment, because here the service is the development environment. Do you think Visual Studio Code is not a production software because is about dev? Why do you think that 100 vboxes and all related networking problems are not a production environment? There are _only my personal meditations, I hope to be constructive while asking you to revaluate your position_" CreationDate="2018-08-22T21:50:43.680" UserId="178670" />
  <row Id="22345" PostId="9311" Score="0" Text="Any Server Fault users who administrate game servers for a living are obviously very welcome to comment or answer here." CreationDate="2018-05-27T18:10:46.963" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22346" PostId="9311" Score="7" Text="Unrelated to the issue, but if in the end it's on-topic, I feel like the tag deserves a rename to [tag:game-server]..." CreationDate="2018-05-28T08:04:24.853" UserId="252799" />
  <row Id="22347" PostId="9313" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the answer. You've asked: `It's not clear to me what you're proposing to write about. Your title and some of the post make it sound like you're talking about migrating from a Samba NT domain to a Samba AD domain, but you also mention preserving NT compatibility in Win10 clients` Well, we'll need to preserve the compatibility during the migration process. Hopefully this still be relevant long after the migration completes - most of it stands from the beginnig. Any source is fine IMHO if well explained and logical." CreationDate="2018-05-28T18:34:55.687" UserId="259376" />
  <row Id="22348" PostId="9314" Score="2" Text="Consider it [done](https://serverfault.com/a/671363/37681)." CreationDate="2018-05-29T15:02:14.640" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22349" PostId="9314" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn The request was to lock the entire question, though; any reason to only lock this one answer?" CreationDate="2018-05-29T15:03:11.387" UserId="98333" />
  <row Id="22350" PostId="9314" Score="0" Text="@tripleee It's only the answer that's being said to receive spam edits; locking the whole question would be overkill. (It'd be another matter if *every* post was receiving spam edits, but that's not what's being asserted.)" CreationDate="2018-05-29T15:05:49.510" UserId="375311" />
  <row Id="22351" PostId="9314" Score="0" Text="Sure, just hoping to ascertain that the discrepancy is not an oversight." CreationDate="2018-05-29T15:07:32.887" UserId="98333" />
  <row Id="22352" PostId="9314" Score="1" Text="@tripleee The question is already protected and unless  I misread the request and the (for non-moderators not visible) review histories it is as Chopper3 ascertained - only that particular answer  seems problematic with regards to spam edits that keep getting rejected from the review queues. What I did is smallest application of moderator powers" CreationDate="2018-05-29T15:10:57.457" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22353" PostId="9314" Score="0" Text="I don't mind/care what you do, just feel slightly guilty that it's my answer that's causing so much admin for you is all." CreationDate="2018-05-29T15:45:41.547" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="22354" PostId="9314" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn I was the one who protected the question in an attempt to address the spam edits. However that turned out to not be sufficient, so two weeks ago I flagged the question for moderator attention and got this answer: **I can't see a &quot;disallow anon edits&quot; button, so I've locked for a week to hopefully discourage the stupidity. Sadly all edits are from different IPs, no help there.**" CreationDate="2018-05-29T21:29:19.027" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22355" PostId="9314" Score="0" Text="@kasperd I hope this is the cure" CreationDate="2018-05-29T21:59:25.043" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22356" PostId="9314" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn I don't see anything different from before. I suppose we'll see if the spam edits keep coming." CreationDate="2018-05-29T22:11:23.143" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22359" PostId="9314" Score="0" Text="@kasperd Locks (on answers) come with a default expiry of 1 hour, to make them permanent your friendly moderator needs to pay attention and select the correct option in the pulldown menu...." CreationDate="2018-05-30T14:28:34.443" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22360" PostId="9314" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn We could maybe lock the question with the 'Historical lock' as I think that it would lock the questions and answer completely ? forever. (The downside is that it would prevent upvote)" CreationDate="2018-05-31T13:10:18.717" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22361" PostId="9314" Score="1" Text="@HBruijn The problem persists: https://serverfault.com/review/suggested-edits/371044" CreationDate="2018-06-03T09:40:20.937" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22357" PostId="9316" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the response! Do you think I can revise my question to be on-topic, or is it naive in nature? I admit I didn't study networking well at school.." CreationDate="2018-05-30T07:21:46.610" UserId="149271" />
  <row Id="22358" PostId="9316" Score="3" Text="I still think that what you observe is mainly the background noise of  the internet, where a steady stream of ports cans and login attempts is the norm rather than the exception and nothing to really worry about.  And I can understand that the community would think that the core of your question *&quot;has my server been hacked when my SSH server rejects and terminates invalid connections&quot;* is a *somewhat* naive question." CreationDate="2018-05-30T10:04:58.917" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22373" PostId="9321" Score="1" Text="Putting the question of whether it should be a separate site to the side, that proposal definitely needs lots more eyes on it. I just used up all of today's close votes and almost all my downvotes on it. (Not implying all my votes are right, I'm not very familiar with the topic, just looking for things which don't seem to fit the SE format.) There's a huge number of broad/opinion questions." CreationDate="2018-06-14T07:05:59.527" UserId="260258" />
  <row Id="22385" PostId="9321" Score="1" Text="@curiousdannii Why on Earth did you do that? Especially having admitted that you are unfamiliar with the topic. Do you have have the experience to downvote those questions?" CreationDate="2018-06-21T19:10:46.550" UserId="293488" />
  <row Id="22386" PostId="9321" Score="1" Text="@steve It doesn't take any domain experience to recognise shopping list questions and super opinion based questions. The questions I didn't understand I left alone. And see the answers below for other people that also identified many shopping list questions etc." CreationDate="2018-06-22T00:02:27.727" UserId="260258" />
  <row Id="22387" PostId="9321" Score="0" Text="@curiousdannii As is pointed out further down, each site is allowed to set it’s own rules on what is/is not deemed a good question. Why not let this proposal - in which you have no interest at all - go ahead and let those who want it determine the good questions?" CreationDate="2018-06-22T07:41:25.797" UserId="293488" />
  <row Id="22388" PostId="9321" Score="0" Text="@SteveIves (1) No SE site allows completely open ended or opinion based questions - closing such questions on Area 51 is completely normal. (2) Area 51 is open to all, as the whole point of the proposal system to put it before as many eyes as possible in order to give each site the best chance it can have to succeed. (3) You would do well to stop assuming things about me. What could possibly have ever made you think I have no interest in the site?" CreationDate="2018-06-22T08:36:45.607" UserId="260258" />
  <row Id="22392" PostId="9321" Score="0" Text="Yes, there's a definite spread in the Venn diagram of folks who use mainframes, and those familiar with the Stack* family of sites. Several of the questions I'd agree should not be there... a learning experience for those who are new to the sites and the type and phrasing of questions. (And that's from an IBMer working on mainframe tech, a submitter of a proposal years ago for mainframes, and a Stack* regular.)" CreationDate="2018-06-28T13:36:38.593" UserId="91518" />
  <row Id="22370" PostId="9322" Score="2" Text="I should always preface  questions of scope with &quot;assume the questions are suitable for the Stack Exchange format in general&quot; because I am asking about scope and topicality... not form or composition. Sorry about the confusion." CreationDate="2018-06-13T00:26:39.830" UserId="1581" />
  <row Id="22374" PostId="9322" Score="2" Text="The most frequent question you hear in mainframe circles is &quot;where do I start?&quot;. The machines and OSs are profoundly alien to someone who grew up on Unix-like systems." CreationDate="2018-06-14T15:19:32.080" UserId="74075" />
  <row Id="22389" PostId="9323" Score="0" Text="All these comments would be better if made in form of suggestions on how to improve the actual examples. This is an exploratory phase and such input is very valuable." CreationDate="2018-06-22T11:17:12.890" UserId="74075" />
  <row Id="22372" PostId="9324" Score="4" Text="That was my initial impression; that this is more about an inherent community [compatibility | incompatibility] rather than scope." CreationDate="2018-06-13T17:23:24.487" UserId="1581" />
  <row Id="22375" PostId="9324" Score="2" Text="I pointed out elsewhere the machines and their OSs are profoundly different from the typical x86 (or POWER, SPARC) server running Unix or Windows. Because of that either the questions that make sense there would make no sense here, or the answers would be completely useless to users of more typical systems." CreationDate="2018-06-14T15:22:06.063" UserId="74075" />
  <row Id="22376" PostId="9324" Score="1" Text="+1, I fully agree. And by the way ... for some reason this remMINDs me about ... MIND ... aka &quot;Mainframe Is Not Dead&quot; ..." CreationDate="2018-06-16T08:59:00.657" UserId="282070" />
  <row Id="22378" PostId="9325" Score="0" Text="Each site gets to set its own rules within the broad Stack Exchange guidelines, so their own site will work well in that regard." CreationDate="2018-06-16T12:05:11.157" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="22390" PostId="9325" Score="0" Text="The onboarding process for mainframers is very different from the &quot;normal&quot; crowd. Anyone can buy an x86 and install Linux on it and get going, but buying a mainframe and getting it up and running is so rare it's notable. At the same time, emulators only will take you so far unless you violate the licenses and run software you are supposed to run on real IBM metal. And that is only the IBM space - don't even get started on MCP and its offspring." CreationDate="2018-06-22T11:23:34.553" UserId="74075" />
  <row Id="22391" PostId="9325" Score="0" Text="Because of that, I expect a lot of questions about &quot;where is the manual for X&quot; (IBM doesn't help you much there) and &quot;I got X. How do I run Y on it?&quot; which are questions I had myself and some I never adequately answered and just gave up." CreationDate="2018-06-22T11:23:38.550" UserId="74075" />
  <row Id="22377" PostId="9326" Score="1" Text="I agree, and yes I still seen sale on mainframe lately, people think it’s dead but there is still some niche that still use those, but sooo limited that I agree with you that it’s a target for really small audience." CreationDate="2018-06-16T11:31:11.343" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22393" PostId="9326" Score="0" Text="The issue we had in the past—we tried to get a site to beta years ago—is that there's very little overlap between the mainframe experts, and existing Stack* users. And you need that to get it to beta in the first place.If we can succeed in doing that, I think the site will do well... there are a lot of new folks on the platform that pretty much expect a Stack* site or equivalent, since that's what what they used at college etc." CreationDate="2018-06-28T13:49:29.707" UserId="91518" />
  <row Id="22394" PostId="9328" Score="0" Text="I think you underestimate the importance of reading things. I think you overestimate the power of an SE site. Look at devops.se for example - there are likely orders of magnitude more 'devops' than  that are mainframe users, they get ~3 questions per day. I wish your site well but won't be at all surprised if it turns out to be ::tumbleweed::" CreationDate="2018-07-01T19:38:00.747" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22395" PostId="9328" Score="0" Text="I would assume the questions on this SE would be much more durable than the questions on the devops site. If the pace of change doesn't change significantly in the mainframe programming space, I'd suppose answers on it will be useful for at least a decade without much change." CreationDate="2018-07-09T07:18:29.837" UserId="74075" />
  <row Id="22810" PostId="9330" Score="0" Text="more than a year and still almost no one reads this" CreationDate="2019-10-21T17:23:45.480" UserId="343888" />
  <row Id="22408" PostId="9331" Score="0" Text="I now seen the Watch tag menu, but I dont see my green box, where are they ?" CreationDate="2018-08-08T02:18:35.987" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22396" PostId="9333" Score="1" Text="Just noticed the brand new mod icons. This is very helpful, thanks :)" CreationDate="2018-07-12T20:06:43.337" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22398" PostId="9333" Score="2" Text="I'll take your issues one-by-one:&#xA;1. Left nav will stay on by default, but as you mention can be hidden by user pref (this is a global pref that works across all sites). &#xA;2. The width of the content area is not directly impacted by the addition of the left nav. By default the main content area is the same width and, if you collapse the left nav, then the width of the main content area will be unchanged at similar viewports. We have some other changes we are considering which could improve this further. We really are trying to keep the focus on the main content area." CreationDate="2018-07-17T21:34:44.040" UserId="455833" />
  <row Id="22399" PostId="9333" Score="2" Text="And, we will have more news this week regarding improvements that we are currently working on that will provide additional value/functionality for the left nav." CreationDate="2018-07-17T21:35:25.750" UserId="455833" />
  <row Id="22397" PostId="9335" Score="0" Text="I did have sufficient reputation, my problem was that I didn't notice that the author actually did modify the quote before I posted here. Anyway, thank you for the answer. I now know what to do should this problem ever arise again." CreationDate="2018-07-16T21:39:47.440" UserId="468941" />
  <row Id="22400" PostId="9335" Score="1" Text="Revision history is visible without even being logged in." CreationDate="2018-07-18T04:41:28.393" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22401" PostId="9336" Score="0" Text="[Relevant](https://serverfault.com/review/suggested-edits/376326)." CreationDate="2018-07-18T13:45:12.777" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="22404" PostId="9337" Score="0" Text="There are probably few enough of them to edit manually. Most could also do with a bit of sprucing up while we're about it. I'll do a couple of the more egregious ones myself, but I don't yet have edit privileges on Server Fault, so I don't want to throw a pile into the review queues all at once." CreationDate="2018-07-26T11:37:14.833" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="22402" PostId="9339" Score="0" Text="You are right. I hadn't realized that one of the users had enough reputation to comment and that that actually triggers a change in the wording. It all makes sense now. Thank you." CreationDate="2018-07-22T07:43:26.493" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22405" PostId="9340" Score="0" Text="Is this a modern version of _How long is a piece of string_ ? Longer than many people are prepared to give it - I give you https://serverfault.com/questions/924814/robocopy-error-5-access-denied&#xA;&#xA;have you seen the gap https://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/303570/answer-rate-over-time#graph fewer people are putting any effort into answers than ever before." CreationDate="2018-08-03T16:21:26.510" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22403" PostId="9341" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your kind words about my answers.  I don't count the time spent researching, but I do count the time spend writing about it, which I expect people to spend in order to avoid duplication of effort.  And thank you for the point about concision: I don't expect answers to be long, but I do expect them to be good, and I'm curious to know how long people think that takes." CreationDate="2018-07-23T11:39:56.490" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="22406" PostId="9346" Score="0" Text="take me asking a SeaweedFS specific question for example, someone who has it in production made server recommendations based on the fact that we have the same use case https://github.com/chrislusf/seaweedfs/issues/425 I was expecting the same here, someone actually made a valid answer relating to using ceph with RC and it made sense" CreationDate="2018-08-07T19:54:50.780" UserId="482033" />
  <row Id="22407" PostId="9346" Score="0" Text="&quot;1GB  RAM per TB storage recommendation still stands as far as I know plus you want some for the OS and some safety margin so in your case 64GB seem sensible&quot; is what I got from the ceph community, the answer I was looking for." CreationDate="2018-08-08T00:23:16.717" UserId="482033" />
  <row Id="22422" PostId="9346" Score="0" Text="in the description I have &quot;The case is 28TB&quot;, I'm still lost to how is the question a duplicate" CreationDate="2018-08-11T14:41:47.347" UserId="482033" />
  <row Id="22423" PostId="9346" Score="0" Text="We don't accept capacity planning questions. If your question is &quot;I have resource X - is this enough to do Y&quot; or &quot;How much of X do I need to do Y&quot; then it's not welcome here. The reason is is that in 99% of cases there is no simple rule and you have to test for your specific workload. It might be that this isn't true for Ceph and there is an easy formula to follow, but even then I guess it's just a rule of thumb and  the full answer is more complex with a lot of &quot;it depends&quot;." CreationDate="2018-08-11T15:03:04.287" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22426" PostId="9347" Score="2" Text="I'm kind pleased I don't play the SF game much any more. I'm not sure I could spend much time looking at it. It's a bit washed out and in other ways visually jarring." CreationDate="2018-08-11T20:17:50.263" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22428" PostId="9347" Score="0" Text="Related bug, https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/9356/visual-bug-with-displaing-badges" CreationDate="2018-08-13T16:46:43.067" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22435" PostId="9348" Score="0" Text="This has been addressed and should be fixed in production. Things should be looking a lot more consistent now!" CreationDate="2018-08-15T22:02:42.160" UserId="482690" />
  <row Id="22436" PostId="9348" Score="0" Text="@AaronShekey Yes, I saw the change go live an hour or two ago. There's almost no blue left now. I think I did see a few last remaining bits though... like `.bounty-indicator-tab`" CreationDate="2018-08-15T22:17:12.833" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22437" PostId="9348" Score="0" Text="Curiously, if you visit the wayback machine in July, there was a ton of blue on the site, but I think it makes good sense to unify on the primary red color. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" CreationDate="2018-08-15T22:18:08.623" UserId="482690" />
  <row Id="22412" PostId="9349" Score="0" Text="The missing space seem due to a missing logo on the top right corner, please check Joe original image there; https://i.stack.imgur.com/wZSLL.png The logo is not there on the current design, but the spacing is" CreationDate="2018-08-09T16:27:26.293" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22413" PostId="9349" Score="1" Text="Hm, I see the example of the background image. But I think that should just be cut out entirely." CreationDate="2018-08-09T16:28:47.370" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22414" PostId="9349" Score="0" Text="I see this has been closed as &quot;by design&quot;. It's always nice to have our comments ignored every time there's a design change... (sorry Joe but that's what it feels like). I understand the need to maintain branding but that truly is an awful lot of screen estate being wasted." CreationDate="2018-08-09T19:12:46.297" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="22415" PostId="9349" Score="0" Text="At least find some use for the whitespace. Some of the rest of this stuff can be collapsed, I'm sure." CreationDate="2018-08-09T19:14:23.540" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22416" PostId="9349" Score="0" Text="I don't see any reason why &quot;Top Question&quot; and &quot;ask question&quot; couldn't go in the same bar as the logo, for example, agreeing with @MichaelHampton" CreationDate="2018-08-09T19:26:13.793" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="22417" PostId="9350" Score="0" Text="@JoeFriend It could act like a simple search intags:mine, so we will have the same design layout than SO. It would make of use of the watched tag function, as the ignore tag already allow to hide ignored tag questions. I agree the AI under the hood on SO for that feature is way out of question, but we can agree the watched tag category is a lot more useful on SO because of such feature." CreationDate="2018-08-10T02:14:07.670" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22421" PostId="9352" Score="7" Text="*If not &quot;Rude or abusive&quot;, which flag should I have used?* -- Not an answer. It's useless as an answer, but I would suggest it doesn't rise to the level of rude." CreationDate="2018-08-10T19:34:19.490" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="22424" PostId="9352" Score="0" Text="You should have just downvoted it and moved on https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5316/when-is-an-answer-not-an-answer." CreationDate="2018-08-11T20:14:52.000" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22433" PostId="9352" Score="0" Text="In my non-mod opinion/experience, &quot;rude or abusive&quot; is generally reserved for &quot;You're an idiot,&quot; racist/sexist/otherwise bigoted language, profanity, etc.  I was a little confused on this point myself early on.  My flag of something along the lines of &quot;Windows admins are idiots who click next for a living&quot; as &quot;rude or abusive&quot; was declined, but my flags of overtly sexist comments and the random guy who came back for days to harangue me about solving his problem faster were not.  I would suggest &quot;not an answer&quot; or &quot;unconstructive&quot; (if that still exists)." CreationDate="2018-08-15T17:14:00.440" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="22434" PostId="9352" Score="0" Text="@KatherineVillyard Yeah, from the mod answers it seems as if the _Rude_ part is completely ignored. &quot;You're an idiot&quot; is _abusive_ not rude, but the close reason is &quot;Rude _or_ abusive&quot;, not &quot;Rude _and_ abusive&quot;." CreationDate="2018-08-15T19:48:34.890" UserId="322436" />
  <row Id="22438" PostId="9352" Score="0" Text="I'm not really saying that to criticize.  I think what I'm trying to say is that rude is in the eye of the beholder, so the mods seem more likely to accept &quot;rude or abusive&quot; flags that are objectively awful rather than merely flippant.  It's probably a good thing;  I've had people take things I said the wrong way, too." CreationDate="2018-08-17T13:58:46.243" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="22483" PostId="9352" Score="0" Text="Not sure if +5 funny or +5 insightful ;)." CreationDate="2018-09-07T15:09:59.563" UserId="93182" />
  <row Id="22418" PostId="9353" Score="1" Text="I find it strange that you can't understand how answering &quot;disconnect your server&quot; is not rude when someone asks for help. There must be some major disconnect here." CreationDate="2018-08-10T10:01:20.003" UserId="322436" />
  <row Id="22419" PostId="9353" Score="8" Text="Yes, and that's the major problem with the CoC crap. It tries to forces the lowest common value of &quot;rude&quot; on everyone. Rude would be &quot;You are an idiot, go away&quot;, this is merely not helpful." CreationDate="2018-08-10T10:10:10.073" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22425" PostId="9353" Score="7" Text="&gt; There must be some major disconnect here&lt;br /&gt;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;Indeed but not the way you are thinking." CreationDate="2018-08-11T20:15:40.150" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22430" PostId="9355" Score="0" Text="People seemed to be mixed on these design flourishes, so we pulled them. We can add them back in if there is strong support." CreationDate="2018-08-13T19:13:23.690" UserId="455833" />
  <row Id="22431" PostId="9355" Score="0" Text="@JoeFriend I like the logo, it make a good branding like on MSE. The fact there is none people want to cut that space to have the same look and fell than SO, so I doubt I will get the support to bring the logo back." CreationDate="2018-08-14T14:01:06.403" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22427" PostId="9356" Score="0" Text="I can repro on my FF too." CreationDate="2018-08-13T16:45:43.850" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22429" PostId="9356" Score="2" Text="This affects multiple sites. This has also been asked recently on main META: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/314038/badge-icons-partially-hidden-on-some-sites-with-the-new-design" CreationDate="2018-08-13T17:33:35.113" UserId="184613" />
  <row Id="22432" PostId="9356" Score="0" Text="I'm seeing this on user cards too." CreationDate="2018-08-15T14:52:05.590" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22439" PostId="9362" Score="0" Text="Your question has been migrated to the place that can help you best with this. Why do you even question this?" CreationDate="2018-08-18T06:44:30.650" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22440" PostId="9362" Score="2" Text="&quot;*Why do you even question this?*&quot; ... First, that is more than a little bit patronizing. I question it because I have a brain and reasoning ability which tell me that system admins are supposed to be knowledgeable about overriding the default choices made by `systemd` on the guest host." CreationDate="2018-08-18T10:00:47.313" UserId="6832" />
  <row Id="22444" PostId="9362" Score="4" Text="Your question has been migrated by a moderator (*not* an admin) who currently has the second most reputation on our site and should know what is welcome here and what is not  and most importantly, where you are most likely get the help you seek. So, I will ask again: Why do you question this? Honestly, you should thank him for taking the time to  redirect you to a better spot." CreationDate="2018-08-18T10:14:39.200" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22445" PostId="9362" Score="2" Text="The fact that I accidentally typed *admin* instead of *moderator* in my explanation does not invalidate my reasoned argument that migrating the question was a mistake and ServerFault not SuperUser was the *a prior* correct forum to pose the question. Your response boils down to &quot;*moderators never make mistakes, shut up*&quot; instead of providing a reasoned counter-argument. I will not participate in this any further." CreationDate="2018-08-18T10:28:09.397" UserId="6832" />
  <row Id="22450" PostId="9362" Score="0" Text="See [my question on Unix/Linux.SE](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/463356/2371)." CreationDate="2018-08-18T13:20:32.003" UserId="6832" />
  <row Id="22454" PostId="9362" Score="2" Text="It seems you accidentally typed forum when you meant Q&amp;A site too." CreationDate="2018-08-20T21:03:41.577" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22462" PostId="9362" Score="0" Text="@Iain While StackExchange sites are not internet or BBS forums, they are fora when one can seek answers to questions. See [forum](https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aforum): &quot;*a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged*&quot;. Keep in mind that the English language existed before phpbb." CreationDate="2018-08-21T15:21:10.543" UserId="6832" />
  <row Id="22469" PostId="9363" Score="0" Text="That a reasonable argument. I thinks there is a little hole not covered: when a superuser is managing servers, he/she asks questions not welcome here, but asolutely ignored on superuser. Is just my opinion, of course." CreationDate="2018-08-22T21:11:38.020" UserId="178670" />
  <row Id="22474" PostId="9363" Score="4" Text="I'm sure asking a VirtualBox question on, say, english.se wouldn't go down well either, but that also doesn't make the question on-topic for Server Fault, either." CreationDate="2018-08-22T22:57:46.200" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22447" PostId="9364" Score="3" Text="Systemd cannot perform network operations that the underlying architecture does not allow. VirtualBox is, in my experience, not terribly flexible in what it allows the guest OS to do with its network interfaces - which is one of the reasons that it's got a limited user base here on ServerFault. If SuperUser cannot help you, perhaps a moderator at that place would be able to move the question to Unix/Linux instead - there are some extremely knowledgeable people there when it comes to systemd and other Linux internals." CreationDate="2018-08-18T11:24:37.220" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22448" PostId="9364" Score="1" Text="Also, my mention of how StackExchange works was not intended as a reflection on your familiarity with the sites. I do my best to write answers that will work not only for the original poster, but for anyone who comes later with a similar problem and finds that answer. I try to neither underestimate the intelligence nor overestimate the previous knowledge of the unknown persons who will at some point read the question and answer." CreationDate="2018-08-18T11:26:54.483" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22468" PostId="9364" Score="0" Text="I think that a super user do not is a sysadmin. If yo work with virtualboxes to create services, you are running a server, so is this the right place. Absolutely agree with the author of the question." CreationDate="2018-08-22T21:07:20.623" UserId="178670" />
  <row Id="22475" PostId="9364" Score="2" Text="@realtebo In my opinion, the right place for a question is the place where you can get a good response for it. Insisting on keeping the question on a site where the user base lacks the prerequisite knowledge and experience to answer it, merely because it is technically not off-topic, is not terribly productive. Also, &quot;running a server&quot; is not sufficient for ServerFault - there's a requirement of using &quot;reasonable business information technology management practices&quot;. There is a majority view that VirtualBox doesn't fall in that category." CreationDate="2018-08-23T06:33:30.490" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22446" PostId="9366" Score="0" Text="&quot;*ridiculing Michael Hampton*&quot; ... I am not ridiculing him. I am pointing out that he had no problem with a number of questions that might very reasonably be considered appropriate for other sites but for whatever reason he thought a question about overriding the default route chosen by `systemd` was not appropriate here. I know a thing or two and I explained my reasoned argument that a) the migration was mistaken; and b) it seems not to be consistent with the *moderator*'s own choices in the past." CreationDate="2018-08-18T10:42:36.830" UserId="6832" />
  <row Id="22451" PostId="9366" Score="2" Text="I don't feel particularly ridiculed. But there being no apparent relevance of those other posts to this one, I'm going to ask that you post a new question if you wish to discuss them." CreationDate="2018-08-18T13:38:23.413" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22453" PostId="9367" Score="4" Text="You're being remarkably restrained here in the face of such whineyness. Nevertheless you seem a little tetchy - you need to go ride a bike. Pip pip !" CreationDate="2018-08-20T21:01:11.490" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22455" PostId="9367" Score="0" Text="@Iain Splendid idea! I think I shall do that just as soon as the bloody rain stops!" CreationDate="2018-08-20T23:24:21.133" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22456" PostId="9368" Score="3" Text="Please see [What can I do when getting “We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account”?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/86997/189912)" CreationDate="2018-08-21T12:32:09.297" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22459" PostId="9368" Score="0" Text="&quot;Automatic bans never expire or &quot;time out.&quot; This means that you cannot simply wait for a certain amount of time. If you do not take action, you will never be allowed to post again. The only way for the ban to be lifted is by contributing positively to the site in other ways.&quot; ... Bad news for me. It is hard to have something useful to say when I have no useful to ask. I am pretty sure to have seen a 6 months period stated somewhere... Amen. Adios." CreationDate="2018-08-21T13:55:21.313" UserId="178670" />
  <row Id="22461" PostId="9368" Score="0" Text="Found &quot;If you're unable to improve your existing questions, you'll get the chance to ask one new one 6 months after your last question. If that question is positively received, you may be able to continue asking questions; if not, then the ban will be reinstated.&quot;. So a timeout is present or not?" CreationDate="2018-08-21T13:58:21.363" UserId="178670" />
  <row Id="22457" PostId="9369" Score="0" Text="So deleting do not helped me. I was the person who deleted these questions. And so now... ? Wait 6 months?" CreationDate="2018-08-21T13:51:06.340" UserId="178670" />
  <row Id="22458" PostId="9369" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHampton posted the link with the complete answer in his comment:  [What can I do when getting “We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account”?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/86997/189912)" CreationDate="2018-08-21T13:53:58.637" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22460" PostId="9369" Score="0" Text="Yes, thanks, in that page I read about 6 month period : &quot;If you're unable to improve your existing questions, you'll get the chance to ask one new one 6 months after your last question. If that question is positively received, you may be able to continue asking questions; if not, then the ban will be reinstated.&quot;" CreationDate="2018-08-21T13:57:35.810" UserId="178670" />
  <row Id="22466" PostId="9369" Score="1" Text="@realtebo Even moderators don't know _all_ of the parameters of this automatic system, but we do know that if your question is deleted it counts against you. Deleting your own question after it gets downvotes is one way to ensure you get banned. As the system has explained, the thing to do is to _improve_ such questions." CreationDate="2018-08-22T12:52:58.610" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22467" PostId="9369" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton: Yes, I understood, in the future I'll try. In past, when was clear that a question wass uselles/duplicated, I choosed to delete to avoid tons of downvotes. My questions was _evidently_ not good, but in many case there was nothing to do. I actually tend to avoid stack exhange in favour of forums when I need a more &quot;discussion-like&quot; approach, and to came here when I have enough info about the problem to at least ask a decent question. The problem is when I am so confused that I need clarifications on a problem, this kind of question are now welcome and I'll respect it." CreationDate="2018-08-22T20:40:28.813" UserId="178670" />
  <row Id="22494" PostId="9369" Score="1" Text="I know and I admit that it is independent from you (=mods), but I think this score statistics is far not enough bad to deserve a ban. Most of his questions remained essentially unreacted, but nearly all of them survived the closure. I think the problem of his questions was that we couldn't answer them and not that they had been bad." CreationDate="2018-09-13T18:39:40.057" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="22495" PostId="9369" Score="1" Text="@realtebo Collect many rep, by writing many answers. There are a big topical overlap between the SE sites, while their community standards and voting customs may hugely different; I am not sure that the SF is the best starting site for you, with its particularly strict entry requirements." CreationDate="2018-09-13T18:43:15.533" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="22496" PostId="9369" Score="1" Text="@realtebo The answer to your apache error log question is probably that you get https or ajp traffic on a http port, or some similar. The most typical reason is misconfigured apache (if you don't set up the keys and `SSLEngine On`, apache listens as http on :443 without any problem or even a warning), if you are in hardcore java environment, then also AJP is possible. But that binary traffic looks more https than ajp on the first spot." CreationDate="2018-09-13T18:46:20.677" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="22464" PostId="9370" Score="2" Text="VirtualBox question is a hot topic on SF, some examples; https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5529/in-what-circumstances-should-virtualbox-questions-be-on-topic, https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8522/virtualbox-cleanup, https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1913/virtualbox-is-losing-the-benefit-of-the-doubt, https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8523/virtualbox-tag-warning and the list continue.. The tag VirtualBox is used 1K on SF while 5.5K on SU, so yes it was moved to the best place with the info we had. In good faith I would had voted to move it too." CreationDate="2018-08-21T20:02:35.710" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22465" PostId="9370" Score="1" Text="and for your question on SU I notice the tag VirtualBox is not there at all, so it don't help to get noticed, but it's cool for you that you find an answer on U&amp;L, as JennyD told you it was maybe a better target too." CreationDate="2018-08-21T20:09:51.927" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22470" PostId="9370" Score="0" Text="probably we need a place where to handle virtualbox as a 'whole' complex argument" CreationDate="2018-08-22T21:13:29.480" UserId="178670" />
  <row Id="22477" PostId="9371" Score="1" Text="Note that you can also [see your recently (less than 60 days) deleted posts](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/185491/241919)" CreationDate="2018-09-01T17:49:45.903" UserId="252799" />
  <row Id="22479" PostId="9371" Score="0" Text="Now that you told me I found it. Thanks for the tip." CreationDate="2018-09-01T18:41:58.320" UserId="470668" />
  <row Id="22476" PostId="9372" Score="0" Text="Ok, the reputation... Thanks :) And yes, I can see the date over 30 days ago." CreationDate="2018-09-01T01:03:26.303" UserId="470668" />
  <row Id="22478" PostId="9372" Score="1" Text="It's by design that only 10k+ reps are able to see deleted posts on the list, but OP should be able to see it on [deleted recent questions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/185491/what-is-the-deleted-recent-questions-page-in-the-user-profile/185492#185492) though." CreationDate="2018-09-01T17:52:30.307" UserId="252799" />
  <row Id="22485" PostId="9377" Score="0" Text="Notice that if you look at the edit history for an answer the color is used for the user who wrote the answer not the user who wrote the question." CreationDate="2018-09-09T15:09:31.230" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22484" PostId="9380" Score="0" Text="This makes sense. I was not aware that the code block will be still inside the list. I updated the edit request." CreationDate="2018-09-07T15:12:22.067" UserId="93182" />
  <row Id="22490" PostId="9381" Score="3" Text="To whom it may concern: I'm in Europe and resigning. Unless somebody gets elected that will leave Sven as the only [moderator coverage](https://serverfault.com/users?tab=moderators) in the CET timezone." CreationDate="2018-09-12T12:24:07.000" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22491" PostId="9381" Score="7" Text="It should be stated as active hour, not timezone restriction, as I got strange workshift, and usually Iam active when european folk are around." CreationDate="2018-09-12T14:37:40.637" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22492" PostId="9381" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn resigning? Well, that's no fun. Though I haven't been too active in the past few months (years?) either." CreationDate="2018-09-12T23:24:37.143" UserId="13543" />
  <row Id="22486" PostId="9382" Score="1" Text="2 slot requested by who? the text miss the info :)" CreationDate="2018-09-10T22:37:33.950" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22487" PostId="9382" Score="3" Text="@yagmoth555  SE staff asked the current moderators and we came up with that number based on planned resignations and reduced involvement." CreationDate="2018-09-11T10:26:53.230" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22488" PostId="9382" Score="0" Text="@Sven Thanks for the information. It's good to have the context" CreationDate="2018-09-11T12:50:56.993" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22489" PostId="9385" Score="0" Text="I'm in Europe and resigning. Unless somebody gets elected that will leave Sven as the only [moderator coverage](https://serverfault.com/users?tab=moderators) in the CET timezone." CreationDate="2018-09-12T12:22:15.817" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22493" PostId="9385" Score="0" Text="I'll include the information from @HBrujin's comment when I post this to the questionnaire, plus if any of the other mods wish to chime in about specific timezone ranges." CreationDate="2018-09-13T16:42:23.360" UserId="43158" />
  <row Id="22498" PostId="9386" Score="1" Text="Tangential to your original question, but flagging is not a substitute for downvoting." CreationDate="2018-09-14T20:00:13.927" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22497" PostId="9387" Score="0" Text="Note that I didn't write the answer, I did the review. While I agree that the answer is somewhat short, it contained enough information to be useful to me. On the other hand, if I had been the original poster, I probably would have read the manual and found out myself. What I don't like as a reviewer is accepting somewhat correct answers is considered wrong, and flagging bad answers is also considered wrong. It seems that you agree with that point." CreationDate="2018-09-13T21:46:53.057" UserId="479334" />
  <row Id="22508" PostId="9389" Score="0" Text="It could be argued that the decline in new content/questions is because people are finding their answers in existing content . Voting was always limited to a relatively small number of people, who like you and I, no longer play the game. What's most troubling is the lack of answers to new questions. https://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/303570/answer-rate-over-time#graph. It seems that the natural attrition is not not being back filled by new contributors who can provide answers." CreationDate="2018-09-24T21:43:04.663" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22509" PostId="9389" Score="0" Text="@Iain This is also the least active moderator election I've seen in SF history." CreationDate="2018-09-25T12:25:56.667" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="22499" PostId="9391" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I think you all helped to fix the question. Now awaiting re-open votes if you think its ok." CreationDate="2018-09-17T19:58:58.833" UserId="360862" />
  <row Id="22501" PostId="9391" Score="0" Text="@swift_dan There is still very little information about your configuration, your settings, what you actually did when you tried to install git and why/how that didn't work as you wanted, etc." CreationDate="2018-09-19T06:22:25.590" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22998" PostId="9392" Score="0" Text="3 years from now, no new election? wow" CreationDate="2021-07-29T08:29:07.880" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="22505" PostId="9396" Score="3" Text="I think you are right about #1. A moderator's valuable improvement is dealing with people that have low quality questions/answers/comments (and churls). IMO a more effective approach would be an outreach program to cultivate participation from vendors, members of open source projects, and technology authors, but SE should be doing that. At the end of the day, I wouldn't worry too much. This forum is a reflection of the IT admin/engineer community, and a fairly accurate one. It's also way better than any other forum of this type. Good luck on the election!" CreationDate="2018-09-23T16:01:47.083" UserId="20701" />
  <row Id="22500" PostId="9398" Score="1" Text="Oh my, sorry about that. I think things are confusing at best. I think it was a bad idea to using a legal entity *Doing Business As (DBA)* name there. Only lawyers and judges and maybe an occasional Stack Exchange fanatic can parse it correctly. The majority of the population will surely parse it incorrectly (*q.v.*). Maybe they (Stack {Somebody}) should add links to the *Stack Overflow* names and link back to their Articles of Incorporation so people understand what is going on." CreationDate="2018-09-19T00:03:25.133" UserDisplayName="user145545" />
  <row Id="22502" PostId="9401" Score="0" Text="Thanks!  Doesn't look like I have enough rep." CreationDate="2018-09-21T23:48:01.523" UserId="115649" />
  <row Id="22503" PostId="9402" Score="2" Text="Those are shown to first time visitors. Try dismissing them." CreationDate="2018-09-23T03:43:04.963" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22504" PostId="9402" Score="3" Text="@Michael I know, but this is about the initial impression - in the few seconds users spend looking at a new site, they aren't going to close them. And if they leave, it's too late." CreationDate="2018-09-23T10:27:36.003" UserId="414313" />
  <row Id="22506" PostId="9402" Score="2" Text="I see your point, but also suspect that many, if not most, _new_ users come here in a full panic about a problem more pressing than those extra bars, and probably aren't going to run away." CreationDate="2018-09-24T13:58:33.573" UserId="256540" />
  <row Id="22507" PostId="9402" Score="3" Text="I hate the fact that those ridiculous cookie disclaimers are appearing on virtually every site now. But, unfortunately, it's not legal to bash in the heads of idiot lawmakers until they start acting sensibly. We're stuck with them for now..." CreationDate="2018-09-24T17:11:25.197" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22512" PostId="9402" Score="2" Text="Code Review (where you are a member) looks no different to me (where I'm not registered). Since it's a site-wide issue and (presumably) you want the same fix everywhere it's best to bring this up on the main [Meta](https://meta.stackexchange.com/). The people whom *might* fix it may not see your post here for some time." CreationDate="2018-09-27T14:33:14.677" UserId="290545" />
  <row Id="22518" PostId="9402" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton Many other sites do this in a much less intrusive way, it's Stack Exchange's own decision to make the banners look like that and force users to (in theory) read dozens of legal pages before being able to close them." CreationDate="2018-10-04T13:55:20.317" UserId="417729" />
  <row Id="22513" PostId="9405" Score="6" Text="Also note that  questions regarding  general web hosting services are also off-topic because you are not the actual admin of those systems." CreationDate="2018-09-30T12:46:49.660" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22514" PostId="9405" Score="1" Text="Thank you very much for the expected answer. I will point it as the SuperUser meta and see whether I can post there." CreationDate="2018-10-01T06:14:44.223" UserId="42152" />
  <row Id="22515" PostId="9405" Score="2" Text="@Mawg Here is the link for: [Where can I ask questions about web hosting control panels?](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8094/where-can-i-ask-questions-about-web-hosting-control-panels). Also see the CPanel link in the Vendor section of the answer." CreationDate="2018-10-02T15:50:49.100" UserId="256540" />
  <row Id="22530" PostId="9406" Score="2" Text="Woohoo!  Congrats, Ward and yagmoth555!  Ward, it's about time!" CreationDate="2018-10-15T19:48:54.710" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="22516" PostId="9407" Score="7" Text="Thanks... just handled my first flag, yay!" CreationDate="2018-10-03T15:58:32.193" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="22517" PostId="9407" Score="6" Text="@Ward hope you don't stop voting.  You've always been my voting hero!" CreationDate="2018-10-03T20:21:38.900" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="22519" PostId="9409" Score="0" Text="Ok, I did not know Small Office / Home Office was off topic here, but I still was unable to Google this. You were able to Google it because you searched for something I did not, like IPSec. I did not know there were standard ports for IPSec. I was looking for strongSwan. Do you not see that you simply have too much domain knowledge to know what a n00b would consider Google-able. I'm telling you, you come off as rude and elitist." CreationDate="2018-10-05T17:34:52.800" UserDisplayName="user448564" />
  <row Id="22520" PostId="9409" Score="0" Text="Sorry meant to say you have too much domain knowledge, not lack domain knowledge" CreationDate="2018-10-05T17:36:39.597" UserDisplayName="user448564" />
  <row Id="22523" PostId="9409" Score="0" Text="Wow, I get it now, any question I ask on SF would be off-topic. Well then, y'all have a nice day. I won't be coming back here. https://meta.serverfault.com/conduct" CreationDate="2018-10-05T18:08:19.243" UserDisplayName="user448564" />
  <row Id="22524" PostId="9409" Score="4" Text="For the record: You were the one not following the CoC by asking an off-topic question.  As stupid as it is, the CoC doesn't give you carte blanche to off-load everything here and get a nice, warm, fuzzy welcome. And don't get me started on your deleted comment which I saw - you **really** should take a very long, hard read on that organization and then think even longer about if you really want to compare anyone having a silly disagreement with you on the internet to those people." CreationDate="2018-10-05T18:26:27.393" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22525" PostId="9409" Score="0" Text="The current wording on https://serverfault.com/help/on-topic does not say home office questions are off-topic. If you are managing a workstation used for business purposes from a home office that page says you’re in the right place to ask your question!" CreationDate="2018-10-08T19:43:34.500" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22526" PostId="9409" Score="0" Text="@kasperd: In my view, this is covered by &quot;consumer workstations/networking&quot;, as it is usually indistinguishable from non-business purposes in such environments and [SU] is the place that can help with that much better." CreationDate="2018-10-09T14:12:38.120" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22527" PostId="9409" Score="0" Text="If the term &quot;consumer workstation&quot; is supposed to mean anything it is what hardware it's made of, not where it is located. Of cause all network connections are not made equal. But that difference has more to do with the ISP than the system being asked about in such questions. And I haven't seen evidence of a strong correlation between the practices of ISPs and whether they are servicing a home or a business. Based on my own experience residential connections tend to better follow reasonable business practices than office connections." CreationDate="2018-10-09T16:25:35.520" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22528" PostId="9409" Score="0" Text="A idea is we could maybe add some texts to add some example, I dont know if it's easy to ask to SE or if it's a pain to do. As I would write it to be sure to target business gear but used in a home usage too. (I seen some questions in the past to upgrade old server to play on, or is not supported by a home OS in example)" CreationDate="2018-10-09T17:52:22.443" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22529" PostId="9413" Score="0" Text="My question was not about the Pi.  The Pi is just a casual participant as a &quot;Proof of Concept&quot;.  Perhaps I tagged it wrongly." CreationDate="2018-10-13T21:32:32.207" UserId="312403" />
  <row Id="22533" PostId="9418" Score="0" Text="Those are all aspects which would need to be covered by the answer to such a canonical question. Simply pointing MX records to the servers for both service providers won't work. But that doesn't stop people trying and asking here why it doesn't work." CreationDate="2018-10-28T22:05:25.717" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22534" PostId="9418" Score="0" Text="The problem as I see it with such a question is, there is no simple universal answer. I am able to configure this with Exchange, but not with other mail servers. The only answer that will always apply is &quot;having multiple MX records is not enough&quot;." CreationDate="2018-10-28T22:08:29.523" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="22535" PostId="9418" Score="0" Text="It's possible to give a generic answer covering most of the solution. There will be some part of the setup which will dependent on the specific mail server/provider. But it is possible to give a generic answer explaining what that service has to support to make such a setup possible." CreationDate="2018-10-28T22:14:33.400" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22536" PostId="9419" Score="0" Text="Hi, please note openid is currently in removal on stackexchange, please see that post where they talk about linking openid gmail and fb account to the system, https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/307647/337838 which explain the hidden field IMO" CreationDate="2018-10-29T22:45:37.373" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22537" PostId="9419" Score="2" Text="Hey, wow, I'm a 0.1%-er!  Also, bummer." CreationDate="2018-10-30T01:43:50.897" UserId="121010" />
  <row Id="22538" PostId="9419" Score="2" Text="I was a 0.1%-er, too, JimB, so sympathies." CreationDate="2018-10-30T03:28:31.727" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="22541" PostId="9426" Score="0" Text="Both tags already exist, so you might link to the other one as well. Remember that the purpose of tags is to help people find questions. Do they need to be separate tags?" CreationDate="2018-11-19T15:56:54.890" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22542" PostId="9426" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton for all but the very few non-overlapping topics, I think they don't need separate tags. No." CreationDate="2018-11-19T16:05:09.513" UserId="71790" />
  <row Id="22543" PostId="9427" Score="3" Text="Hi, a note, wamp topic tend to fall offtopic there for another reason, for home and lab usage usualy, it might not be the case with the specific question you linked, but see that for info . https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/1968/what-to-do-with-xampp-mamp-wamp-questions" CreationDate="2018-11-20T11:20:51.370" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22547" PostId="9427" Score="2" Text="If you found that to be a good question, perhaps you should not be reviewing." CreationDate="2018-12-04T12:41:33.043" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22548" PostId="9427" Score="0" Text="@Iain After all, I asked for something to learn. And it's not about whether it was a good question (which it wasn't), but whether it's off topic. There are many low quality questions and answers that are nevertheless on topic." CreationDate="2018-12-04T13:00:06.750" UserId="237665" />
  <row Id="22549" PostId="9427" Score="2" Text="Read your question above carefully - ' ... found it to be good'. It's a bit of a give away." CreationDate="2018-12-04T13:09:35.237" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22550" PostId="9431" Score="0" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/210314/189912" CreationDate="2018-12-05T03:12:54.957" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22545" PostId="9434" Score="0" Text="The *Not a Robot* badge does not exist on [sf], so that part of your answer could be left out." CreationDate="2018-11-26T23:24:27.297" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22546" PostId="9434" Score="0" Text="That sentence, and the following, explain the URL; that the numbers given and types offered are not the same everywhere. Complete information was offered to avoid relying on a link-mostly answer." CreationDate="2018-11-26T23:38:40.780" UserId="290545" />
  <row Id="22551" PostId="9437" Score="0" Text="The reject reason is shown, but I can't tell you why the moderator chose that reason." CreationDate="2018-12-12T17:56:05.810" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22559" PostId="9437" Score="1" Text="It would be more helpful if you answered questions rather than just fiddling. So many questions [go unanswered](https://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/303570/answer-rate-over-time#graph) now that any answer you can provide would be a bonus." CreationDate="2018-12-20T21:44:58.143" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22560" PostId="9437" Score="1" Text="I do what I can, @Iain, which isn't much. I'm not a sysadmin." CreationDate="2018-12-21T11:38:48.857" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="22563" PostId="9437" Score="1" Text="Almost no one here is a sysadmin that's a big part of the issue." CreationDate="2018-12-21T13:30:23.743" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22552" PostId="9438" Score="5" Text="This is as much a part of our job as actually renaming the domain, so I don't really have a problem with it." CreationDate="2018-12-12T21:14:43.677" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22553" PostId="9438" Score="6" Text="What @MichaelHampton said, but for the less technical side of this issue, there is also [workplace.se]" CreationDate="2018-12-12T21:25:21.050" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22554" PostId="9438" Score="1" Text="@Sven There is that. I suspect discussions of &quot;how to couch specific terms so that peoples' eyes don't glaze over&quot; might be better answered here." CreationDate="2018-12-12T21:27:31.560" UserId="413839" />
  <row Id="22555" PostId="9439" Score="5" Text="The advice I've always seen is that you should tidy as you go: don't go searching for problems, but do fix things as you come across them. And it's not a trivial edit when it's so poorly spelled that it may give an ESL speaker trouble understanding it." CreationDate="2018-12-13T11:19:46.077" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="22556" PostId="9439" Score="2" Text="That's not necessarily [the advice around here](https://meta.serverfault.com/a/9216/55514)." CreationDate="2018-12-13T20:46:25.373" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="22561" PostId="9439" Score="0" Text="And you think spelling so bad that even a native speaker is tripped up, and a non-native might be seriously confused, counts as trivial, @MadHatter?" CreationDate="2018-12-21T11:39:50.410" UserId="39133" />
  <row Id="22562" PostId="9439" Score="0" Text="No, @TRiG, I don't.  What I think is that resurrecting an old article to the top of the front page has a cost, which increases with the age of the article, because irrelevant cruft on the front page is a turn-off for everyone.  The cost must be balanced against the benefit; so if you were fixing this in a month-old article, I'd be very happy to approve it.  At seven years old, the article would have to be *horrendously* wrong to justify resurrection-by-fixup." CreationDate="2018-12-21T11:54:42.663" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="22564" PostId="9439" Score="4" Text="I thoroughly disagree with this rejection, and with the idea that old posts shouldn't be edited. This particular post is high traffic and relatively timeless; Apache still works this way and probably will for many years to come; the post could well have been posted yesterday with the same content. The edit is quite useful. It should not have been rejected." CreationDate="2018-12-21T23:11:49.370" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22565" PostId="9439" Score="1" Text="Well, when suggested edit reviews start getting view counts next to them, we can start taking that into account." CreationDate="2018-12-22T00:43:24.453" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22558" PostId="9440" Score="4" Text="Answers should contain content, not just pointers to content." CreationDate="2018-12-20T21:33:44.703" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22566" PostId="9443" Score="1" Text="Also, your question is specifically about Windows Insider builds. I suspect several people reacted negatively to your question for exactly this reason." CreationDate="2018-12-27T17:05:55.853" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22569" PostId="9443" Score="0" Text="re-reading over our scope though &quot;Server Fault is for questions about managing information technology systems in a business environment.&quot; this clearly falls in the broad scope, and it doesn't say anything about supported environments in our scope, where can we even find a list of that?" CreationDate="2018-12-27T20:25:10.297" UserId="102458" />
  <row Id="22570" PostId="9443" Score="1" Text="I'm a Linux admin so I didn't vote on your question. I just raised the possibility that this is what people were thinking." CreationDate="2018-12-27T20:58:54.133" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22567" PostId="9444" Score="0" Text="That sort of makes sense, but now we fall into a problem; this is clearly not supported by the Super User community, because it's a corporate environment, but it's not supported by Server Fault, cause its an insider build. Does this mean I cannot ask this question anywhere on Stack Exchange?" CreationDate="2018-12-27T20:20:47.753" UserId="102458" />
  <row Id="22568" PostId="9444" Score="2" Text="If you have a reason to deploy a insider build in production, having the why would help for the unclear reason, but it might leave only the feedback hub to ask for the support" CreationDate="2018-12-27T20:22:52.097" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22571" PostId="9445" Score="4" Text="The extensive edit to the question seems to have clarified the situation. It is for sure Off Topic for Server fault on the grounds of bypassing security." CreationDate="2018-12-27T22:19:58.563" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22572" PostId="9445" Score="1" Text="Ah, I see the initial question was a straight-up product request, which then morphed into &quot;how do I pwn my company's network automatically?&quot;" CreationDate="2018-12-28T00:19:48.763" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22573" PostId="9446" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the statistics, and happy new years to everyone too!" CreationDate="2019-01-02T15:58:59.763" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22574" PostId="9447" Score="0" Text="Maybe the current answer will help you. There is however a few possible reasons why a question you have previously seen could be difficult to find again: The title could have been changed. The question could have been migrated to another StackExchange site. The question could have been closed as a duplicate. The question could have been deleted." CreationDate="2019-01-08T13:08:38.173" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22575" PostId="9447" Score="0" Text="As a matter of fact, I manually searched the question with the browser history and the question was indeed deleted." CreationDate="2019-01-08T15:02:33.473" UserId="484381" />
  <row Id="22576" PostId="9447" Score="0" Text="In that case my comment is probably a suitable answer." CreationDate="2019-01-08T19:20:20.743" UserId="214507" />
  <row Id="22583" PostId="9455" Score="0" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting" CreationDate="2019-01-23T11:29:43.487" UserId="264207" />
  <row Id="22584" PostId="9455" Score="5" Text="Let's see how far we can bury it this year." CreationDate="2019-01-23T15:38:54.897" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22586" PostId="9458" Score="0" Text="Thanks, i did not know any of this. Please i just want to share what took me a good while to work out and i know others will find of interest going by other posts i came across online. I was trying to install 2 versions of php, and after trying one guide (not specific to virtualmin) i was close but i kept just getting a error 500 with the new php version and little error information. In the end i worked out what the problem was and got it working, and that is what i want to share. If other users dont help each other out how will they get better, just say 'this is bad' is not enough." CreationDate="2019-01-26T06:18:09.677" UserId="154406" />
  <row Id="22587" PostId="9458" Score="0" Text="please tell me what more i can do to make it better" CreationDate="2019-01-26T06:18:59.080" UserId="154406" />
  <row Id="22588" PostId="9458" Score="0" Text="well my question is no closed so i guess there's no chance of it coming back now /?..." CreationDate="2019-01-27T06:41:02.383" UserId="154406" />
  <row Id="22589" PostId="9458" Score="0" Text="@HaydenThring What do you mean &quot;coming back?'  It's closed, true, but it's still there and so is your answer.  It doesn't look like enough people think it should be re-opened, so it'll just stay that way." CreationDate="2019-01-27T08:19:11.520" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="22590" PostId="9458" Score="0" Text="Well now its been closed i cant even ask any questions, this is a joke, its not like ive set to troll the website or mislead any one, i just wanted to help, i think ill go to unix stack where mods arent so snobby &quot;You have reached your question limit&quot;" CreationDate="2019-01-27T23:25:20.283" UserId="154406" />
  <row Id="22599" PostId="9458" Score="2" Text="If you're getting the message &quot;You've reached your question limit,&quot; that has nothing whatsoever to do with this question.  That's a rate-limiting function built in to all SE sites and no one on this site can do anything about it." CreationDate="2019-01-28T03:39:24.653" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="22601" PostId="9458" Score="0" Text="yes it say &quot;You have reached your question limit&quot; but the link on the page says its a ban not a rate throttle https://serverfault.com/help/question-bans" CreationDate="2019-01-28T20:08:55.173" UserId="154406" />
  <row Id="22593" PostId="9459" Score="1" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/86997/what-can-i-do-when-getting-we-are-no-longer-accepting-questions-answers-from-th" CreationDate="2019-01-28T00:12:11.670" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22594" PostId="9459" Score="0" Text="as far as i can tell i dont have any deleted questions ? I will try improving my open questions..." CreationDate="2019-01-28T00:18:10.353" UserId="154406" />
  <row Id="22595" PostId="9459" Score="2" Text="You have three deleted questions." CreationDate="2019-01-28T00:20:55.023" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22596" PostId="9459" Score="0" Text="Where ? how do i find them ?" CreationDate="2019-01-28T00:24:31.943" UserId="154406" />
  <row Id="22597" PostId="9459" Score="2" Text="You can’t, they are hidden by design." CreationDate="2019-01-28T00:25:43.050" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22598" PostId="9459" Score="0" Text="So is my account doomed and i should give up ?" CreationDate="2019-01-28T00:27:06.577" UserId="154406" />
  <row Id="22600" PostId="9459" Score="1" Text="The deleted questions are from 2014 and 2015 so I think they are too old to have any effect now. This sort of automated block arises mostly from recent questions." CreationDate="2019-01-28T03:49:50.330" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22603" PostId="9459" Score="0" Text="So one bad question, which got closed by you @MichaelHampton, which I go on to edit and make acceptable as best i can and I get banned ? My last question before that was almost a year ago (It did get closed, and I agree it belonged at unix stack where i reposted it, so it is irreparable) and the one before that was 3 years before that ! So you can see how it just seems i am being punished unfairly for foolishly but harmlessly posting the answer to my question in the question section as well ?!" CreationDate="2019-01-28T20:21:35.800" UserId="154406" />
  <row Id="22605" PostId="9459" Score="1" Text="The [community reviewed your question](https://serverfault.com/review/reopen/397783) after you edited it, and the result was not to reopen it. I'm not inclined to reopen it either, as it has to do with Virtualmin, questions about which are not on topic here anyway. But I will change the close reason for it, so that it is more clear." CreationDate="2019-01-28T20:26:15.100" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22606" PostId="9459" Score="0" Text="So why have tags for virtualmin ? I edited it several times, and i dont believe it has been reviewed since its latest formating." CreationDate="2019-01-28T20:33:05.850" UserId="154406" />
  <row Id="22608" PostId="9459" Score="2" Text="I am one of the people who voted to not reopen the question. My reason was that it was about virtualmin. It had nothing to do with formatting. As to how you should have known that it was on-topic: You could have read https://serverfault.com/help/on-topic before posting. The fact that a tag exists doesn't mean it's on-topic; people can and do create tags without oversight." CreationDate="2019-01-30T09:18:24.693" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22602" PostId="9460" Score="0" Text="It says both &quot;You have reached your question limit &amp; Sorry, we are no longer accepting questions from this account. &quot; the links to a page saying it is a ban, nothing about rate limiting https://serverfault.com/help/question-bans if you look at my account yo can see it doesnt look that bad does it ? Just because i asked some unique questions i should not be punished, i have nothing in the negative. and many of my questions are old and have little chance of being up voted even if i do edit them because they have been superseded most likely by software updates &amp; changes." CreationDate="2019-01-28T20:15:47.227" UserId="154406" />
  <row Id="22607" PostId="9460" Score="1" Text="If you're getting the &quot;we are no longer accepting questions...&quot; message, then the automatic system that is in place on all SE sites has determined that your questions have not, overall, been very good.  Looking at your list, you have no questions with net upvotes - they're all 0 or -ive.  One way to get out of the question ban is to improve your existing questions.  I have no suggestions on how to do that.  I think that providing some good answers can also help lif the ban.  The final resort is that you can post one question every 6 months - if it comes to that, make sure it's a good question." CreationDate="2019-01-28T22:52:56.380" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="22611" PostId="9462" Score="6" Text="Once again, this turned out to be the more helpful approach. By dividing my problem into smaller pieces, i eventually figured out i was entirely wrong about which part was actually broken." CreationDate="2019-02-09T04:02:25.640" UserId="250204" />
  <row Id="22609" PostId="9463" Score="2" Text="The featured tag displays this on the main page for better visibility. You can remove it again in a week or two." CreationDate="2019-02-06T15:47:44.060" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22610" PostId="9463" Score="0" Text="Thanks @Sven ! it's good to know and a great idea" CreationDate="2019-02-06T18:02:55.437" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22612" PostId="9463" Score="1" Text="Can we have the migrate/close choices updated to reflect this?" CreationDate="2019-02-12T23:29:45.370" UserId="205542" />
  <row Id="22613" PostId="9463" Score="0" Text="@chicks: The number of migration targets we have has a hard limit. Adding webmaster would mean to remove others and I believe those are more important." CreationDate="2019-02-13T10:44:47.700" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22614" PostId="9463" Score="1" Text="I didn't know about the limit, so we're supposed to request a non-menu'd migration.  That works.  Yet the text for the close choice for this points to an old answer on meta.  There's nothing there to indicate that these should be migrated before being closed.  People that miss this thread are not going to have any crumb to work with." CreationDate="2019-02-13T15:04:45.663" UserId="205542" />
  <row Id="22620" PostId="9463" Score="1" Text="Do we have / do we want a canonical answer here?" CreationDate="2019-02-13T21:41:30.187" UserId="90351" />
  <row Id="22621" PostId="9463" Score="0" Text="@chicks I agree that in the closure windows it should be maybe rewrite a bit to reflect that, lets create another meta topic for that. I'am on the road currently, but will try to start the discussion tonight" CreationDate="2019-02-14T17:39:06.730" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22622" PostId="9463" Score="1" Text="https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/9469/can-we-have-better-messaging-for-handling-web-hosting-control-panel-questions" CreationDate="2019-02-14T17:50:24.290" UserId="205542" />
  <row Id="22615" PostId="9467" Score="0" Text="So do you expect one to solve actual technical problems without having knowledge to fundamental questions about protocols, or solve actual technical problems and never have any fundamental question about protocols?" CreationDate="2019-02-13T15:07:21.893" UserId="16981" />
  <row Id="22616" PostId="9467" Score="5" Text="We are not required to consider everything required for doing this as topical. Math or language questions are also off-topic, so is fundamental computer use ..." CreationDate="2019-02-13T15:12:29.550" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22617" PostId="9467" Score="4" Text="That said: Most basic protocol issues are not that interesting for system administrators anyway, while they are very important for developers (when writing server or client implementations) and I wouldn't necessarily rule out asking something like this on [SO] - when in doubt, check their help and meta site." CreationDate="2019-02-13T15:18:39.987" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22619" PostId="9467" Score="9" Text="@Tim I've been sysadmining for a couple of decades and one thing I do know is that reding documentation is important. It's also important to read the correct documentation. In this case, a book from 2002 is not the correct documentation." CreationDate="2019-02-13T20:11:14.177" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22625" PostId="9467" Score="5" Text="@Tim - you wrote in a comment that you cannot understand the text in the RFCs. That means that ServerFault is not a place where you'll be likely to find the answers you want - the site is populated by people who do read and understand the RFCs, and who expect the same of other professionals, which is who this site is for." CreationDate="2019-02-15T09:55:13.013" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22618" PostId="9468" Score="7" Text="I agree, this question is one that would be asked by a protocol implementer, not normally by a sysadmin (at least not without a real problem and some wireshark output)." CreationDate="2019-02-13T18:48:41.667" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22623" PostId="9469" Score="2" Text="There is also a length limit for the custom close reason, though I don't recall offhand what it is exactly I think this one is very close to it." CreationDate="2019-02-14T20:51:21.350" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22624" PostId="9469" Score="8" Text="We can't just change it to &quot;Your question mentions a web hosting control panel, which you should stop using&quot;? " CreationDate="2019-02-14T22:58:26.000" UserId="584" />
  <row Id="22626" PostId="9470" Score="2" Text="Too long by 60 characters :( [SE] needs its own URL shortener (edit: they have one, it's just useless (https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/109877/how-do-we-get-a-new-s-tk-added/301751#301751))" CreationDate="2019-02-15T11:39:36.970" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22627" PostId="9470" Score="0" Text="@Sven oops, I will update with another way to write the link then, it seem better now, less than 400. credit to Glorfindel, but had to stripe the On Server Fault in the first sentance." CreationDate="2019-02-15T15:44:11.840" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22628" PostId="9470" Score="1" Text="Thinking about it, this is quite contradictory. &quot;We can't help you because it requires support by the vendor, or you could ask on this non-vendor site instead&quot;...." CreationDate="2019-02-16T12:20:20.583" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22629" PostId="9470" Score="1" Text="BTW: I just learned about the `//` syntax for abbreviated URLS. Never heard of it before. Neat!" CreationDate="2019-02-16T12:26:42.827" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22630" PostId="9470" Score="0" Text="@Sven I didnt though to that, yes I agree it can be seen contradictory, +1 for your answer, more consistant :)" CreationDate="2019-02-16T13:45:21.777" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22631" PostId="9471" Score="0" Text="Getting rid of &quot;thus require support from the vendor&quot; is a good move.  What if the last sentence started with &quot;Consider moving this to Webmasters or see...&quot;?" CreationDate="2019-02-16T13:58:50.927" UserId="205542" />
  <row Id="22632" PostId="9471" Score="0" Text="@chicks I prefer the term ´may be asked’ than moving, as we can’t migrate everything too, as each site try to close bad question, not move them. (there is a MSE policy to ´not migrate crap’) It’s like the close reason we have that talk superuser, it’s state ´may be asked on’, as such the community choosed to close the question and not vote to move, and leave the OP the choice to reask on the correct site" CreationDate="2019-02-16T14:34:58.553" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22633" PostId="9471" Score="0" Text="That makes sense.  I don't see any way to make this better." CreationDate="2019-02-16T15:10:36.033" UserId="205542" />
  <row Id="22634" PostId="9471" Score="2" Text="I've added this close reason. Please go [remove the old reason and approve the new one](https://serverfault.com/admin/flags/close-as-off-topic)." CreationDate="2019-02-19T15:01:14.883" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22635" PostId="9471" Score="2" Text="@MichaelHampton: Done." CreationDate="2019-02-19T15:03:04.817" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22671" PostId="9472" Score="0" Text="Can you check again? I think this is fixed now." CreationDate="2019-03-19T02:59:40.340" UserId="445158" />
  <row Id="22672" PostId="9472" Score="0" Text="It seems like it's fixed, good job!" CreationDate="2019-03-19T09:39:20.523" UserId="109833" />
  <row Id="22636" PostId="9474" Score="2" Text="A better reference would probably be https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/276642/1068283" CreationDate="2019-02-25T20:17:24.000" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22637" PostId="9476" Score="0" Text="Did you mean to ask _only us_ this question? I do not see that you also asked the Network Engineering crowd on their meta." CreationDate="2019-02-26T15:50:57.277" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22638" PostId="9476" Score="0" Text="I guess I was more making sure it was okay to post here. They'd already told me it wasn't okay to post there :)" CreationDate="2019-02-26T16:05:01.290" UserId="110087" />
  <row Id="22639" PostId="9477" Score="0" Text="I didn't even notice that was a mod until I read your answer.  Thanks for the response, I'd say my question is fully answered, whether it makes sense to me or not :)" CreationDate="2019-02-26T16:05:52.467" UserId="110087" />
  <row Id="22643" PostId="9480" Score="6" Text="SE has very strange views on what users need to be notified about." CreationDate="2019-03-05T15:17:50.377" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22647" PostId="9481" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @JennyD! I've sent a notification to the site owner with `Cc: &lt;legal@stackoverflow.com&gt;`. I'll remove this as a duplicate." CreationDate="2019-03-08T10:46:14.487" UserId="274176" />
  <row Id="22648" PostId="9481" Score="0" Text="Also, sometimes asking politely helps: the site now has `user contributions licensed under cc by-sa 3.0, source Stack Overflow` in its footer. That's satisfactory." CreationDate="2019-03-08T11:36:18.683" UserId="274176" />
  <row Id="22679" PostId="9485" Score="1" Text="Please don't edit your question in a way that invalidates existing answers. You turned your question into a completely new one. You should ask a new question for this. You can refer to this question for reference if you feel the need to." CreationDate="2019-03-24T06:55:56.863" UserId="38644" />
  <row Id="22657" PostId="9490" Score="3" Text="Thank you very much. This is very helpful. I always have a hard time with which site to use for which question. I usually post one place and am told to tr SF or SU instead. I appreciate the guidance. It does help." CreationDate="2019-03-14T20:09:50.560" UserId="289829" />
  <row Id="22659" PostId="9492" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [10 years anniversary of Server Fault](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/9488/10-years-anniversary-of-server-fault) :)" CreationDate="2019-03-15T17:35:10.603" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22660" PostId="9492" Score="2" Text="Not possible, it is. But this is where we can track people's suggestions rather than in comments or additional responses over there." CreationDate="2019-03-15T17:36:19.093" UserId="294330" />
  <row Id="22664" PostId="9492" Score="3" Text="Holy crap. It's been ten years. I am _so_ old now... &gt;sigh&lt;" CreationDate="2019-03-16T03:15:37.310" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="22675" PostId="9492" Score="0" Text="Just seen your edit, for the prize idea it could be a simple signed card by Joel Splosky with a small prepaid visa in example (like 10$)" CreationDate="2019-03-20T13:24:25.977" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22676" PostId="9492" Score="1" Text="or traveller mug with SF logo" CreationDate="2019-03-20T13:24:50.030" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22677" PostId="9492" Score="1" Text="@yagmoth555 I like the idea of the signed cards.  I'll have to track Joel first though...." CreationDate="2019-03-20T16:08:38.913" UserId="294330" />
  <row Id="22661" PostId="9494" Score="2" Text="Even though I've dumped most of my old old old stuff (e.g. my VAX 11/750 CPU boards), this would be too easy for me to win... Who else still has punch cards?  Or uses an IBM Model M 101 keyboard with the original PC/AT connector?" CreationDate="2019-03-15T19:42:23.957" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="22662" PostId="9494" Score="3" Text="Obligatory &quot;you kids today&quot; comment: Travan and DDS aren't old... TK50 is old, or 9-track (I've still got a small one of those).   And did I mention my huge collection of thinwire BNC T connectors and termination resistors?" CreationDate="2019-03-15T19:48:03.453" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="22663" PostId="9494" Score="0" Text="@Ward oh, you really beat me then ! I think I still have some BNC connectors, maybe one hidden somewhere, but I dont even know what is tk50, lol" CreationDate="2019-03-15T19:57:51.353" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22667" PostId="9494" Score="2" Text="Sorry, Ward, I use my old punch cards every day, as bookmarks, and I'm still trying to get some of my old email off 6250bpi half-inch tape reels.  My wife kindly let me hang my old Sun 3 motherboard on the wall, as art, until we redecorated our lounge last year.  It had jumpers to set mainboard memory; 1-32MB, if I recall!" CreationDate="2019-03-18T09:40:56.217" UserId="55514" />
  <row Id="22673" PostId="9494" Score="1" Text="I really like this idea and it would be a great way for people to see old things used in creative new ways!" CreationDate="2019-03-19T15:47:45.210" UserId="294330" />
  <row Id="22666" PostId="9495" Score="3" Text="&quot;Select all former moderators. As they used to give a lot of their time to the site.&quot; yep and I call dibs on all the good stuff" CreationDate="2019-03-18T05:56:12.200" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="22668" PostId="9495" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson I'm not sure on the meaning of the expression used :P but none the less I wrote former, not 'current' for that purpose (to exclude myself) :-)" CreationDate="2019-03-18T19:53:29.057" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22669" PostId="9495" Score="3" Text="I was (only half) joking. I also am a former moderator, but as a now-employee I'm sure I am not eligible for any community rewards. Calling dibs means that I wanted first choice of all the rewards." CreationDate="2019-03-18T20:27:40.523" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="22670" PostId="9495" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson oh ok, lol, I got it :) thanks for the explanation" CreationDate="2019-03-18T22:01:22.180" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22674" PostId="9495" Score="1" Text="*&quot;Select all former moderators.&quot;* - Good idea!!" CreationDate="2019-03-19T19:28:04.023" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="22678" PostId="9496" Score="0" Text="https://www.computerhistory.org/ would be the first place i'd try." CreationDate="2019-03-23T03:40:29.500" UserId="205542" />
  <row Id="22683" PostId="9496" Score="0" Text="One of them would look good in my rack..." CreationDate="2019-03-26T17:40:09.173" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22684" PostId="9496" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHampton it wouldn't run well though. Unless you like particularly inefficient space heaters?" CreationDate="2019-03-27T03:35:57.663" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="22685" PostId="9496" Score="3" Text="I'm actually looking for a space heater. So..." CreationDate="2019-03-27T03:41:23.253" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22686" PostId="9496" Score="0" Text="Beware of the Leopard." CreationDate="2019-03-28T19:41:21.583" UserId="115583" />
  <row Id="22680" PostId="9499" Score="2" Text="The best compromise I could think is to revert the title of the question (removing &quot;without yum&quot;) and edit the body to indicate &quot;*preferably* without yum&quot;, but doesn't restrict it strictly, so everybody wins... though I'm afraid it could make the question too broad..." CreationDate="2019-03-24T15:24:51.407" UserId="252799" />
  <row Id="22681" PostId="9501" Score="0" Text="It's no big deal, but I thought this was odd. I looked at the question and thought, _&quot;how did I miss what the OP was asking?!?&quot;_. Then seeing the edit history, it made sense." CreationDate="2019-03-24T16:27:46.913" UserId="13325" />
  <row Id="22705" PostId="9507" Score="2" Text="I guess I'm out. I haven't got any old server parts." CreationDate="2019-04-06T14:58:01.850" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22706" PostId="9507" Score="3" Text="Most of my old server parts are serving things. (Maybe someday I'll replace my home lab gear... &gt;smile&lt;)" CreationDate="2019-04-08T23:07:27.340" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="22707" PostId="9507" Score="2" Text="Hey! it's the 25th. Given the paucity of entries it's not like 'tallying the votes' if going to be that difficult ..." CreationDate="2019-04-25T21:21:26.063" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22711" PostId="9511" Score="0" Text="Sweet. Definitely qualifies: KVM is a *server technology*, mumble-mumble-virtualization-mumble-linux-..." CreationDate="2019-04-27T05:45:33.137" UserId="9461" />
  <row Id="22710" PostId="9512" Score="0" Text="+1 for the effect, jawdrop." CreationDate="2019-04-27T05:37:46.217" UserId="9461" />
  <row Id="22708" PostId="9515" Score="1" Text="I've burninated the customization tag. The custom tag will come later. But feel free to knock out a few of them if you're reading this." CreationDate="2019-04-26T04:41:51.727" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22712" PostId="9515" Score="2" Text="And the custom tag is gone as well (for now)." CreationDate="2019-04-30T07:45:14.860" UserId="38644" />
  <row Id="22714" PostId="9515" Score="1" Text="Should this get marked `status-completed`?" CreationDate="2019-05-03T22:45:00.657" UserId="205542" />
  <row Id="22713" PostId="9517" Score="0" Text="What happens to ServerFault if basic questions are asked and they all have answers that can be referenced instead of just voting them off? Does that attract too many newbies to the site? What is the fear or negative effects of having these types of questions and answering them properly?" CreationDate="2019-05-03T22:18:49.640" UserId="223428" />
  <row Id="22709" PostId="9519" Score="2" Text="Thanks to all!! I'm so happy :) I was not expecting it :D greeeatt!" CreationDate="2019-04-27T01:17:26.687" UserId="72881" />
  <row Id="22719" PostId="9520" Score="0" Text="Note that the answer has been edited and the problem fixed." CreationDate="2019-05-06T09:27:18.840" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22715" PostId="9521" Score="2" Text="ah, `plagiarism` was not a term I was search for before asking the question. I was searching for `copyright` and `infringement` and couldn't find anything. I guess we can close this as a duplicate to your linked question then, so others can find it more easily in the future" CreationDate="2019-05-06T08:37:54.273" UserId="38644" />
  <row Id="22716" PostId="9521" Score="0" Text="Well, the questions/answers I linked are on meta.SO, not meta.SF, so I don't know if we can close it as duplicate." CreationDate="2019-05-06T08:39:01.483" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22717" PostId="9521" Score="0" Text="I looked over there since it seemed to me that it's a network-wide question rather than a site question." CreationDate="2019-05-06T08:39:20.570" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22718" PostId="9521" Score="0" Text="Closing as duplicate only works within a site, for some reason." CreationDate="2019-05-06T08:40:54.533" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22733" PostId="9521" Score="3" Text="/me considers copying and pasting the answer from the dupe. :-p" CreationDate="2019-05-14T04:27:51.723" UserId="138052" />
  <row Id="22734" PostId="9521" Score="0" Text="@tudor all the answers here on the site are licensed to StackOverflow in perpetuity, so that would probably actually be legally OK :-) (though it would generally be considered polite to include an attribution to the original author)" CreationDate="2019-05-14T10:30:31.347" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22720" PostId="9524" Score="0" Text="I edited the error log because I didn't want to show my root folder name. _the desired end state, the specific problem or error,_ I have stated the error and quoted it _sufficient information about the configuration and environment to reproduce it, and attempted solutions._ I have pasted my whole nginx server configuration and also attempted to solve my problem and also stated it in the question" CreationDate="2019-05-10T16:16:06.913" UserId="458402" />
  <row Id="22721" PostId="9524" Score="0" Text="_specifically, the filesystem layout which nginx is trying to work within._ Please refer to my question again and see the error which I quoted, it holds a location like &quot;C:\xyz\nginx/xyz/phone/index&quot; and the server root proves the root as the folder xyz so the folder structure is obvious." CreationDate="2019-05-10T16:18:04.510" UserId="458402" />
  <row Id="22722" PostId="9524" Score="0" Text="_the error message doesn't match either the behaviour you describe as observing, nor the configuration you provided._ I clearly stated that &quot;By &quot;showing blank&quot; means that they show a 404 error according to the error log&quot; I stated the behavior and what the behavior means and what does the error log says." CreationDate="2019-05-10T16:20:27.210" UserId="458402" />
  <row Id="22723" PostId="9524" Score="0" Text="I agree with all the assessments above but they contradict with the reason you flagged my answer with. There, I haven't provided enough reasons, and resources to reproduce it and to debug it." CreationDate="2019-05-10T16:29:34.640" UserId="458402" />
  <row Id="22724" PostId="9524" Score="2" Text="Find a nearby colleague, and ask them to reproduce the problem you're seeing, using *only* the information given in your question.  If they can do it, and the environment they configure is functionally identical to yours, then you're golden.  When they can't reproduce your problem and the environment in which is occurs, identify what's different between your environment and theirs, and add that information to your question." CreationDate="2019-05-10T22:36:41.920" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22725" PostId="9525" Score="1" Text="This doesn't appear to be a question about routing hardware at all, rather about protocols and proper behavior of a router." CreationDate="2019-05-12T03:10:58.183" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22726" PostId="9525" Score="0" Text="@Michael Hampton So you want to say that proper behavior of mainly business hardware is no topic for SF? Why do you think so?" CreationDate="2019-05-12T03:22:50.207" UserId="522918" />
  <row Id="22727" PostId="9525" Score="2" Text="I'm saying that the question you linked to is not about hardware." CreationDate="2019-05-12T04:15:58.670" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22728" PostId="9526" Score="0" Text="What would be the right side in your opinion to post that question? I know about SF and SU for hardware-related questions." CreationDate="2019-05-12T04:28:55.423" UserId="522918" />
  <row Id="22729" PostId="9526" Score="5" Text="This isn't a &quot;hardware related question&quot;, because you're not referring to any specific hardware.  &quot;What should I have for dinner?&quot; doesn't become an automotive question just because you'd drive the car to the shops." CreationDate="2019-05-12T06:38:24.640" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22730" PostId="9526" Score="0" Text="So - Server Fault is for questions about specific hardware instead of the behaviour of the hardware because most of the people on this Q&amp;A site are to silly to understand, that a router is hardware. Got it. Do whatever you want, but noone could even closely answer why it should be offtopic. You say its not hardware relevant, while it is. Get into the manner, then this site would become good again." CreationDate="2019-05-12T13:49:41.017" UserId="522918" />
  <row Id="22731" PostId="9526" Score="0" Text="The site has no chance at all of ever becoming good again." CreationDate="2019-05-12T20:49:14.130" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22732" PostId="9526" Score="0" Text="@Runamaus Its not hardware related at all, as all business class router support icmp redirect. Home SOHO router no. The behaviour, on how something work can be easilly be find, like the link I left you on the question, but did you took the time to read it ? You mistook a important point, you didnt stated that because of that feature you have a problem X to solve.  You actually ask for opinion on how the thing work to argument a verbal battle with your friend, while I could answer you anything, as you can’t validate the input I would tell as you have no gear to do the test." CreationDate="2019-05-13T02:46:21.370" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22735" PostId="9527" Score="0" Text="should I edit some questions with the tags to remove them?" CreationDate="2019-05-17T19:46:44.990" UserId="458402" />
  <row Id="22736" PostId="9527" Score="2" Text="Go right ahead! It's not likely anybody can stand to do them all at once." CreationDate="2019-05-18T01:38:18.860" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22739" PostId="9532" Score="1" Text="aaaaaand it happened again, while trying to post *this* question.... I was eventually able to post it after a few minutes." CreationDate="2019-05-21T17:26:59.450" UserId="233335" />
  <row Id="22741" PostId="9533" Score="2" Text="Same IP??? Not account? I share an office full of computer nerds! Seems like it will happen constantly...." CreationDate="2019-05-21T18:44:56.600" UserId="233335" />
  <row Id="22742" PostId="9533" Score="5" Text="Yep, same IP address. Fortunately it's not very difficult to reach 125 reputation." CreationDate="2019-05-21T18:46:28.710" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22743" PostId="9533" Score="1" Text="I've been actively using SO for years.... just don't have many questions for which I can't find answers, I guess." CreationDate="2019-05-21T19:52:00.070" UserId="233335" />
  <row Id="22744" PostId="9533" Score="5" Text="@AndrewRalon: You also get rep for *answering* questions." CreationDate="2019-05-22T07:19:59.140" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22745" PostId="9533" Score="0" Text="@Sven: *facepalm*.... I'm aware." CreationDate="2019-05-23T18:55:13.453" UserId="233335" />
  <row Id="22747" PostId="9535" Score="2" Text="Thank you! I already tried to close it but was stymied by the bounty." CreationDate="2019-05-23T21:10:34.280" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22748" PostId="9535" Score="1" Text="Unrelated: did you see my friend Pauric today  https://www.strava.com/activities/2390817238 :)" CreationDate="2019-05-23T21:10:59.563" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22750" PostId="9542" Score="0" Text="I'm not convinced these need to be renamed. They're recognizable brands on their own, and Atlassian might sell them on to some other company in the future. And you don't need to wait for them to be renamed to retag them anyway." CreationDate="2019-07-22T17:30:08.003" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22751" PostId="9542" Score="0" Text="It could refer to a subset of Atlassian products, for instance integrating Crowd with Jira/Bitbucket/Confluence. So Atlassian could be a viable tag. Atlassian has an history of buying other products. So I agree with Michael." CreationDate="2019-07-30T14:43:54.423" UserId="127819" />
  <row Id="22753" PostId="9546" Score="4" Text="Please don't do this - this is not what the ping system is meant for and I don't like gaming the system in that way. Part of why I like that there is no way to notify users you want to answer your questions about them is that this makes ignoring a question an easy and fully neutral option - no one knows if you even read it, but if you get pinged about it then even to ignore it conveys a message to the poster of the question, which creates a certain amount of pressure." CreationDate="2019-08-04T17:04:58.097" UserId="8897" />
  <row Id="22754" PostId="9546" Score="0" Text="Well - the sites are doing fine without me, so I guess they know what they're doing. I'll just go back where I came from." CreationDate="2019-08-04T17:25:22.643" UserId="176920" />
  <row Id="22755" PostId="9549" Score="3" Text="&quot;Professional&quot; in this context means that this is part of your job in IT operations, whether or not that is your job title." CreationDate="2019-08-12T16:23:16.363" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22758" PostId="9549" Score="0" Text="Thanks. Please see my comment to yagmoth555 on why I cannot simply adapt the network setup to make the problem easier." CreationDate="2019-08-12T18:11:46.423" UserId="534548" />
  <row Id="22763" PostId="9549" Score="0" Text="I understand it's no one's obligation to give feedback when down-voting, but I'd appreciate it if someone can provide some clarity why even this question is frowned upon.. I can see the value judgement implied by the down-voting, closing and deletion of my question, and I'm sure there must be reasoning behind them. I'm just not getting it as a new user, and I think I did my fair homework by researching my problem, reading on how to ask on Stack Exchange, and on how to resolve disagreement with mods/on meta... Apparently there are cultural roots I'm not getting." CreationDate="2019-08-13T15:12:50.277" UserId="534548" />
  <row Id="22787" PostId="9549" Score="0" Text="@RocWhite I am not a downvoter, but voting on Meta is agreement/disagreement. That means even if the question is good but I disagree with it I'd downvote." CreationDate="2019-08-25T08:25:33.770" UserId="486073" />
  <row Id="22756" PostId="9550" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification. I thought the review had concluded as the question just changed from [on hold] to [closed]. Also I can understand the reason you gave. It is very helpful. I was reading again and again the article &quot;How do I ask a good question?&quot;, comparing existing questions on SF, and just banging my head trying to figure out exactly why my question wasn't clear or lack of desired end state, etc. Thanks again for taking the time to explain this." CreationDate="2019-08-12T18:01:49.607" UserId="534548" />
  <row Id="22757" PostId="9550" Score="0" Text="Regarding the point about the control of machineA router though. The admins controlling those do not object to the proposed use of machineA, as long as it does not involve extra effort on their part. I tried to focus on the technical aspects of the issue, because the legislative/regulatory aspects are arguably the responsibility of people who implement any technical solution." CreationDate="2019-08-12T18:08:38.587" UserId="534548" />
  <row Id="22759" PostId="9550" Score="0" Text="@RocWhite I would explain that inside your question, but at a certain point, why machineA can surf while machineB can't, but both can connect to C... I don't understand that point. Is it a proxy or else ? If you got a server that need direct internet access and your netadmin block you, it's a argument to have with them,  ask them their router config in worst case if they are too lazy to do something" CreationDate="2019-08-12T18:56:12.090" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22760" PostId="9550" Score="1" Text="I edited my question to give more context to the use case. Hopefully it now addresses your concerns." CreationDate="2019-08-12T19:09:44.663" UserId="534548" />
  <row Id="22761" PostId="9550" Score="0" Text="@RocWhite I left you a comment on your question, but I honnestly think the best answer I could give you is to simply ask your netadmin to do it's job." CreationDate="2019-08-13T02:35:41.153" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22762" PostId="9550" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I added a network diagram and a bit more clarification to the question." CreationDate="2019-08-13T15:06:40.950" UserId="534548" />
  <row Id="22765" PostId="9550" Score="0" Text="@RocWhite with the edit I can see more the why, I weighted my vote. Next time just better wrote it from the start, as the fact you have a thirdpart that refuse your demand versus having network admin inside your corp that dont want to change any setting, the view is really not the same." CreationDate="2019-08-14T02:32:33.240" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22766" PostId="9550" Score="0" Text="Thanks @yagmoth555. It's actually a bit of both. If our IT people could open up machine A, then setting up an OpenVPN server there would be the most straight-forward solution." CreationDate="2019-08-15T15:50:29.947" UserId="534548" />
  <row Id="22767" PostId="9550" Score="2" Text="@RocWhite Now you make me doubth my vote. I tougth only the third part vendor  block you ? As it's illogical to create a bypass scenario to bypass your own netadmin department. Such question would be closed back." CreationDate="2019-08-15T16:28:51.430" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22768" PostId="9552" Score="0" Text="thank for your reply. I have checked everything and conclude that the problem should not be about HTML. (I still leave a room that I'm wrong.) So the question is: [how to know if a problem is a server issue or control panel issue?](https://webmasters.stackexchange.com/q/124684/52079)" CreationDate="2019-08-20T04:00:07.180" UserId="536315" />
  <row Id="22769" PostId="9552" Score="0" Text="In the end I ask this question: [Curl returns SSL_ERROR_SYSCALL even though the certificate is correct](https://serverfault.com/q/979938/536315)" CreationDate="2019-08-20T08:28:29.367" UserId="536315" />
  <row Id="22783" PostId="9553" Score="2" Text="I appreciate your desire to learn. However, the answer is quite obvious in the meta post [you linked yourself](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8055/what-should-server-fault-do-with-questions-about-web-hosting-control-panels?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1). _While we will answer &quot;beginner sysadmin&quot; questions we are not a basic education site, nor is the Q&amp;A format well suited for that kind of basic training._ If you want to learn to become a server administrator, start by learning in an environment where you actually have administrator privileges." CreationDate="2019-08-22T09:18:23.757" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="22771" PostId="9554" Score="0" Text="Perhaps I cannot help myself, but gaining more knowledge with give me a better position to discuss with the technician. He has no obligation to help me debug, but if I can show him the possible problem, then probably it will intrigues his curiosity and work with me. And even if it's not possible, questions asking on SE are not solely to help the OP, but also help others. The questions are closed in order to avoid spiral with me only, but for others who actually have root access, they might see them interesting." CreationDate="2019-08-21T05:01:18.903" UserId="536315" />
  <row Id="22776" PostId="9554" Score="1" Text="@Ooker There is nothing wrong by wanting to learn. My point is more you could not mark a answer as answered, as everyone could answer you something that technically could be right, but we could never rule out the solution." CreationDate="2019-08-21T12:46:20.727" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22777" PostId="9554" Score="1" Text="I think that nails it. Perhaps you may want to include that in your answer" CreationDate="2019-08-21T12:48:55.493" UserId="536315" />
  <row Id="22778" PostId="9554" Score="0" Text="If I ask about how to use software to detect the possible problem, would that be on-topic?" CreationDate="2019-08-21T16:17:29.450" UserId="536315" />
  <row Id="22779" PostId="9554" Score="1" Text="@Ooker I would start by asking on webmaster if you did install your certificate correctly inside your gui, as like I told in your question on my side I got a PR_ error inside firefox which block your site to open while Michael don't have that error." CreationDate="2019-08-21T18:39:13.383" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22770" PostId="9555" Score="0" Text="I agree with the first two paragraphs, and I agree that the last two ones apply to almost all the cases. However, I acknowledge my limitation and do want to learn, so if the comments just say something like &quot;can you type this command and tell me what you see&quot;, then even though I can't do that, I still learn something. The conversation will not commence to spiral, because it will just stop there. I just want you to give me some keywords so I can gain some insight." CreationDate="2019-08-21T04:43:51.227" UserId="536315" />
  <row Id="22772" PostId="9555" Score="3" Text="That is not how a Q&amp;A site works, though.  If that is what you are looking for, your needs will be better served elsewhere." CreationDate="2019-08-21T06:42:28.563" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22773" PostId="9555" Score="0" Text="can you explain more on how Q&amp;A sites won't work like that? What could go wrong, if there is no spiral vortex?" CreationDate="2019-08-21T06:56:01.727" UserId="536315" />
  <row Id="22774" PostId="9555" Score="1" Text="Well, for starters, questions and extended discussion do not go in comments." CreationDate="2019-08-21T07:05:26.960" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22775" PostId="9555" Score="0" Text="I think that policy is only to prevent off-topic conversations. If comments are used for clarification or more information, as the fade text in the comment box says, then there would be no problem" CreationDate="2019-08-21T08:12:15.070" UserId="536315" />
  <row Id="22780" PostId="9555" Score="0" Text="No, that is not the purpose of that policy." CreationDate="2019-08-21T22:28:07.570" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22781" PostId="9555" Score="0" Text="An elaboration on why you don't think it is would be helpful" CreationDate="2019-08-22T01:11:11.113" UserId="536315" />
  <row Id="22782" PostId="9555" Score="6" Text="@Ooker The purpose of the Q&amp;A site is to create a repository of knowledge about the subject the specific site is aimed at. Comments are fleeting and expected to be removed at a future date. As such if the comments contain the majority of the troubleshooting / actual content, the Q&amp;A is losing value. Equally, if the answer is &quot;do command x&quot; and you can't do it, then the Q&amp;A is a net loss, because it just becomes useless noise for future posters. Who might have a similar question without the arbitrary limitations of a control panel." CreationDate="2019-08-22T09:11:04.227" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="22784" PostId="9555" Score="0" Text="@Reaces My idea was that &quot;do command X&quot; would be useful for future visitors, because they can save a one question to ask. But in retrospect, I think the question cannot belong to them, but is forever stuck with my name. Therefore, even if it saves them times, then the solutions they find cannot give back to the question. I get it now. Thank you" CreationDate="2019-08-22T16:04:29.293" UserId="536315" />
  <row Id="22785" PostId="9555" Score="1" Text="@Ooker &quot;Do command x&quot; is not useful if you, the op, responded with &quot;I cant use this command&quot;. It just leaves future visitors guessing. And not because they have an odd system, but because you did." CreationDate="2019-08-22T19:39:59.130" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="22786" PostId="9555" Score="0" Text="@Reaces in my [first comment](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/9553/why-should-questions-about-interactions-between-my-server-and-bots-off-topic/9555?noredirect=1#comment22770_9555), I said that if I'm unable to do command X, then I'll just stop there, not replying with &quot;I can't use X&quot;" CreationDate="2019-08-23T02:25:28.873" UserId="536315" />
  <row Id="22788" PostId="9557" Score="0" Text="whoa, thanx. And noted regarding &quot;update&quot;." CreationDate="2019-08-27T23:46:53.780" UserId="422569" />
  <row Id="22789" PostId="9559" Score="0" Text="I'm pretty sure that SO handles this issue the same. I used to spend a LOT of time there." CreationDate="2019-09-03T07:50:06.440" UserId="38644" />
  <row Id="22790" PostId="9559" Score="0" Text="So, should I just have asked the OP more directly to ask a new question with his current problem?" CreationDate="2019-09-03T07:53:01.653" UserId="38644" />
  <row Id="22791" PostId="9559" Score="2" Text="@GeraldSchneider That might have helped, though I suspect he would have just ignored you as well." CreationDate="2019-09-03T07:55:39.793" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22792" PostId="9559" Score="4" Text="@GeraldSchneider Just a note, the member got some self-deleted questions, like more than 10 (but mostly all without answer(s)), but the fact he got a lot of reputation make the question ban far away to act sadly. I will keep that in mind if I see back the user self-delete questions, especially if answer are wrote, as it can be seen as content destruction." CreationDate="2019-09-04T13:41:29.200" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22793" PostId="9560" Score="2" Text="Delete it and re-create the comment ? it's the usual's way. (You got a 5 minutes timeout for correction)" CreationDate="2019-09-16T20:22:51.913" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22794" PostId="9560" Score="2" Text="Please see; https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/19757/337838" CreationDate="2019-09-16T20:25:25.267" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22795" PostId="9560" Score="0" Text="In this case I happened to write two consecutive comments. I would have to delete and recreate both to preserve the sequential narrative. And if someone were to post beneath mine then it would further mess up the order." CreationDate="2019-09-16T20:36:11.470" UserId="239324" />
  <row Id="22796" PostId="9562" Score="0" Text="I had earlier asked the same question there, but it was downvoted and closed as being off topic. :(" CreationDate="2019-09-30T12:04:55.660" UserId="141954" />
  <row Id="22797" PostId="9562" Score="0" Text="It doesn't look like dev to me, but I am also having trouble seeing the point of the question." CreationDate="2019-09-30T18:30:57.373" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22798" PostId="9563" Score="0" Text="That &quot;pointless&quot; latency is exactly what I need to measure. I too, don't see the point of it. But I need to share my results for the same." CreationDate="2019-10-01T05:48:00.257" UserId="141954" />
  <row Id="22799" PostId="9565" Score="0" Text="If this is legitimate, I don't like it.  Allowing this type of mirroring could lead to confusion about who to trust on the Internet." CreationDate="2019-10-07T15:50:10.260" UserId="117206" />
  <row Id="22801" PostId="9565" Score="0" Text="That site seems to be down now, but still showing up in some search results..." CreationDate="2019-10-10T17:47:03.090" UserId="117206" />
  <row Id="22803" PostId="9565" Score="0" Text="&quot;Should I login?&quot; - do you feel tempted?!" CreationDate="2019-10-12T23:57:21.630" UserId="368326" />
  <row Id="22808" PostId="9565" Score="0" Text="@DocRoot: The question was rhetorical.  As I understand it, sometimes people do get fooled by phishing attacks and, as I mentioned above, it's very convincing.  Everything appears normal except for the domain name -- and Google is still directing me there for certain searches.  There is definitely some bad stuff happening on that domain though." CreationDate="2019-10-19T16:39:40.203" UserId="117206" />
  <row Id="22800" PostId="9566" Score="2" Text="From a user perspective, this problem could be much more urgent than &quot;Stack Exchange content is being reproduced without attribution&quot; -- unless everyone understands this to mean that an active phishing attack is underway." CreationDate="2019-10-07T18:27:06.570" UserId="117206" />
  <row Id="22807" PostId="9566" Score="0" Text="BTW: After you suggested this, I also reported with &quot;Contact Us&quot;, and I tried to suggest greater urgency.  The site was down for a while, but it's back up right now." CreationDate="2019-10-19T16:27:02.040" UserId="117206" />
  <row Id="22805" PostId="9570" Score="8" Text="For what it's worth, I've essentially ceased doing anything on ServerFault or any of the other SE sites. I'm still keeping track of Meta in the very faint hopes that things will be resolved in any reasonable manner." CreationDate="2019-10-16T07:29:22.593" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22806" PostId="9570" Score="2" Text="Regarding whether use of pronouns is an issue on SE or not, at least one (and I believe two, but I can't find the other) mods have resigned related to feeling like they are not welcome because of their gender identity: https://literature.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1195/resignation-notice I'm currently not an active SE user aside from keeping track of the corporate response to all this, and it's not because of Monica directly, it's because of these other users who have been made to feel unwelcome. The new CoC is, IMHO, a poor attempt at fixing a real problem." CreationDate="2019-10-17T13:47:10.037" UserId="213609" />
  <row Id="22809" PostId="9570" Score="3" Text="For the sake of clarity: I am vehemently against misgendering, and I strongly support making sure that people don't do that. My issue is with the way StackExchange have handled this, including the fact that several LGBTQ+ people have expressed feeling **more** unsafe due to SE:s handling, as well as what was done to Monica." CreationDate="2019-10-21T08:07:18.907" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22811" PostId="9575" Score="21" Text="+1 for `I've found my own answers to SF questions via searches` - there is nothing like feeling stupid after &quot;I can't be the first with this problem ... strike, someone answered  it already ... oh, that was me.&quot;" CreationDate="2019-11-05T12:53:01.407" UserId="38644" />
  <row Id="22813" PostId="9575" Score="3" Text="Consider, insteading of feeling stupid, feeling really smart that you not only solved the problem but also had the foresight to put the solution into SF so that after you've forgotten it later you can easily find it again." CreationDate="2019-11-10T01:54:45.350" UserId="7408" />
  <row Id="22814" PostId="9579" Score="0" Text="wow, this is pretty nice. thank you!" CreationDate="2019-11-22T17:39:53.127" UserId="45673" />
  <row Id="22815" PostId="9581" Score="0" Text="Is that usually enough reason to put question on hold? I've been here long enough to have seen way worse things and I always try to help. Looks like I got caught by an angry moderator this time." CreationDate="2019-11-25T11:55:12.123" UserId="45673" />
  <row Id="22816" PostId="9581" Score="3" Text="@GiovanniTirloni I don't see an angry moderator. I would have done the same thing. A time period covering every possible minute of the week is senseless." CreationDate="2019-11-25T19:29:17.453" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22817" PostId="9581" Score="0" Text="I wasn't angry before, but when I reviewed the tracking bug for the feature I found that the OP had already found it and commented on it, but hadn't bothered to mention this in the question." CreationDate="2019-11-25T21:00:45.193" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22818" PostId="9581" Score="0" Text="And you again locked the question, care to explain why?" CreationDate="2019-11-26T07:48:26.220" UserId="45673" />
  <row Id="22819" PostId="9581" Score="1" Text="The close reason gives sufficient information." CreationDate="2019-11-26T23:21:06.010" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22820" PostId="9584" Score="0" Text="I, see, didn't know there were deleted questions. Is there someway I can take a look at the deleted ones? I don't see any on my profile." CreationDate="2019-12-09T15:55:08.227" UserId="149330" />
  <row Id="22821" PostId="9584" Score="0" Text="Old deleted questions aren't visible to users.  When I get time, I'll post a list of links to them that you'll be able to click on to see them.  But the most recent is 5 years old, so I don't know if it'll do much good.  A quick glance at a couple questions shows a couple that are probably worth upvoting, so if a couple people do that, you might get out of the ban." CreationDate="2019-12-09T16:03:28.850" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="22822" PostId="9584" Score="0" Text="Thanks @Monica, that would be really nice. I am just curious, what the questions might be. It isn't often that I post queries in Server exchange, so the ban is not that great of an issue. I was just curious why I got it in the first place. I used to think my questions were not that bad, but then as you mentioned maybe I was posting stupid question years back." CreationDate="2019-12-09T16:07:15.680" UserId="149330" />
  <row Id="22823" PostId="9586" Score="0" Text="I'm confused by the juxtaposition of your opening sentence with the screenshot.  Do you want DevOps added to the list of generally-available migration targets, which is what your title requests, or to the linked-to sites in the description of the fourth OT close reason (as suggested by your screenshot)?" CreationDate="2019-12-22T22:26:19.730" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22824" PostId="9586" Score="3" Text="Last time I looked the migration target list was full. I don't think it's possible to set a beta site as a migration target in the close dialog anyway. But moderators can still manually migrate questions to beta sites." CreationDate="2019-12-22T23:03:52.377" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22825" PostId="9588" Score="0" Text="So, a downvote and not even a comment why? That's helpful... :P" CreationDate="2019-12-28T01:36:36.517" UserId="212287" />
  <row Id="22826" PostId="9589" Score="0" Text="So &quot;Ansible&quot; is the name of the software but also the executable command and the most basic form of the tool. That basic tool is used in &quot;Ad Hoc&quot; mode which works great, but really isn't useful for large sweeping operations in the way Ansible is usually discussed and considered. Technically, that command is &quot;ansible-playbook&quot;, and requires the user provide a .YAML formatted file, the 'playbook'. Ansible-tower is the enterprise automation framework and GUI that runs ansible-playbook, and Galaxy is the &quot;docker hub&quot; of ansible roles/plays that others have written and shared." CreationDate="2019-12-28T05:42:09.650" UserId="212287" />
  <row Id="22827" PostId="9589" Score="0" Text="(continued). Using the tags this way is like having separate tags for python commands directly versus writing python code into a file and executing that script. Do we need separate tags in that scenario? If not, why do we do it for Ansible?" CreationDate="2019-12-28T05:43:52.197" UserId="212287" />
  <row Id="22828" PostId="9589" Score="0" Text="Sorry, I'm not feeling like you're making your case.  If &quot;ansible&quot; is a recognisable separate thing from &quot;ansible-playbook&quot;, then perhaps both tags should stay, but with improved descriptions as to when each is applicable?" CreationDate="2019-12-28T06:37:44.897" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22829" PostId="9590" Score="1" Text="Thanks ! Happy New Year !" CreationDate="2020-01-01T00:28:03.633" UserId="318166" />
  <row Id="22830" PostId="9592" Score="0" Text="Hi, I didnt close it, but it seem opinion based to me, but your edit add some context. For the usage itself I don’t know, but I would guess it’s because the cdn is often a thirdpart and you would not want to deleguate your own dns zone to a thirdpart as often the cdn is independant of the main site. As such we might never know the why for facebook or other brand the why they choosed that way. (the why it can be tagged opinion based for me)" CreationDate="2020-01-04T23:37:15.797" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22831" PostId="9593" Score="0" Text="can you clarify? I have read the FAQ, and nowhere do I see a requirement that it be about MY IT System in a professional capacity. Using that criterion, any question about any system which I am not personally responsible for is off topic. As it happens, I asked the question because I am considering the possibility of using a CDN in the future, and thinking about how to handle the DNS, but I am not currently actually administering a CDN. Is any theoretical question about a possible future project automatically off topic?" CreationDate="2020-01-06T14:17:32.340" UserId="256264" />
  <row Id="22832" PostId="9593" Score="0" Text="Yes, hypothetical questions are off-topic." CreationDate="2020-01-06T20:26:57.640" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22833" PostId="9593" Score="0" Text="Interestingly, I never asked a &quot;hypothetical&quot; question as the term hypothetical question is commonly defined. However it's clear that asking a question of this nature is anathema. So I reiterate the thing nobody has answered. WHERE SHOULD I ASK THIS QUESTION?" CreationDate="2020-01-07T18:05:28.560" UserId="256264" />
  <row Id="22834" PostId="9593" Score="0" Text="I swear it's like pulling teeth to get an answer around here." CreationDate="2020-01-07T18:06:25.483" UserId="256264" />
  <row Id="22843" PostId="9593" Score="0" Text="@barbecue The main reason your question was closed is because it did not have a concise and direct answer. The Q&amp;A format doesn't really handle speculatory questions very well, and as a reaction to this the community has decided to not allow these kinds of questions. You can probably find a lot of discussion on the meta about questions like this if you dug around." CreationDate="2020-01-15T15:43:33.387" UserId="218888" />
  <row Id="22844" PostId="9593" Score="0" Text="Would sure be nice if the FAQ mentioned that. Yes, I DID read it carefully, and no it DOES NOT say that. Having to do a bunch of research on meta to find out the rules is asinine. The really amazing thing to me is that the focus is on inappropriate pronoun usage, rather than the obvious active hostility posting here encounters. I'm NOT a newbie, I've been here for years, and I feel unwelcome." CreationDate="2020-01-16T04:01:31.007" UserId="256264" />
  <row Id="22835" PostId="9597" Score="0" Text="I'm not terribly active on SF, but I would argue that's not necessarily good for the queue. As I [noted elsewhere](https://anime.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4315/48808), you really want a healthy pool of reviewers knocking bad questions down. The converse view here is that it makes reopening things harder (the same level for CVs applies to reopen). I'm not saying you're wrong (maybe SF is fine with 5 and an active mod cleaning the queue), but it is some food for thought." CreationDate="2020-01-08T23:48:06.857" UserId="261034" />
  <row Id="22836" PostId="9597" Score="0" Text="I would *love* to not have to diamond-smash as many terribad questions closed, but there doesn't appear to be the reviewer volume.  I &quot;Skip&quot; about 20% of questions (ones that are borderline one way or another) so there's no shortage of questions for others to review.  On the &quot;reopen vote threshold goes to three as well&quot;, it would be interesting to see if there are many closed questions that get to three but not five reopen votes.  I have no data explorer fu, though, so I doubt I'll be the person to answer that question." CreationDate="2020-01-09T00:07:41.387" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22837" PostId="9597" Score="0" Text="I will say, though, that if you're arguing that we should let questions slowly accumulate close votes over a period of days/weeks (not sure if you are or aren't), my response to that is that bad questions beget bad questions, and there's no &quot;questions that have had close votes for more than two weeks&quot; review queue for me to chew on, so smashing things closed early and often is the only practical approach." CreationDate="2020-01-09T00:10:13.127" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22838" PostId="9597" Score="0" Text="Oh, quite the opposite (closing things quickly is [kinda a thing I do](https://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/41570/so-close-vote-reviewers)). I *want* things closed quickly. I also recognize that the queue needs an active pool of reviewers to stay healthy (the [new review icon didn't help things](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/355236/2370483)). A 100% moderator reviewed queue isn't a good thing in most cases. That's all I'm saying." CreationDate="2020-01-09T00:17:07.413" UserId="261034" />
  <row Id="22979" PostId="9598" Score="0" Text="This is probably irrational, but I'm more likely to review close votes when I know it's more likely to help since it takes fewer votes to close a question." CreationDate="2021-05-08T10:58:30.417" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="22839" PostId="9600" Score="1" Text="from my experience having one bad question leads to a ton of downvotes which leads to you not being able to lose all features. That is why i generally dont like using Stackoverflow but as i was denied support in most other placed i thought i'd give it a chance." CreationDate="2020-01-12T17:11:36.743" UserId="421221" />
  <row Id="22842" PostId="9602" Score="0" Text="I used virtualizor but they were not able to help that well as its 'not their software&quot; and QEMU support is also very inactive. I can try reddit but as it looks like a quite advanced issue i doubt that will help much" CreationDate="2020-01-14T16:27:00.453" UserId="421221" />
  <row Id="22877" PostId="9609" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your clarification. I am struggeling with two things: at first, my first question was describing a specific problem with my exchange - and I thought the answer was not exchange specific but for all Powershell commands. Second, if a question about how to use Powershell commands is off topic here - is there any site where it is on-topic?" CreationDate="2020-05-12T05:54:02.547" UserId="299064" />
  <row Id="22848" PostId="9611" Score="0" Text="ouch thanks. how i could see my deleted questions? I've checked and none was shown under my &quot;deleted questions.&quot;" CreationDate="2020-02-26T08:37:28.837" UserId="208540" />
  <row Id="22857" PostId="9613" Score="0" Text="You should have just posted your edit as a full answer." CreationDate="2020-03-26T20:36:38.220" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22850" PostId="9618" Score="32" Text="Oh mate, sorry to hear such bad news, that said if I can get through it I'm sure you can too." CreationDate="2020-03-25T15:10:19.857" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="22851" PostId="9618" Score="9" Text="Michael, I've learned a lot from your anwers and comments. What I'm doing right now is I'm taking all the hope I've got and pouring it into you." CreationDate="2020-03-25T18:36:34.810" UserId="9461" />
  <row Id="22852" PostId="9618" Score="15" Text="Thank you for everything you've done for us here, both as a contributor and community guide." CreationDate="2020-03-25T23:34:28.717" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="22855" PostId="9618" Score="3" Text="I tip my cap to you my friend, you've helped me in so many ways with your help and guidance on more than just SF. Good luck to you and I hope you kick its @ss." CreationDate="2020-03-26T16:10:01.413" UserId="2518" />
  <row Id="22856" PostId="9618" Score="4" Text="Thanks for everythings, I have no words, but my english is not the best too, but most of all I'am wishing you a speedy full recovery. Take care man" CreationDate="2020-03-26T17:01:10.143" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22859" PostId="9618" Score="4" Text="I'm so sorry to hear that. I wish you all the best." CreationDate="2020-03-26T20:42:36.557" UserId="120438" />
  <row Id="22861" PostId="9618" Score="3" Text="I'm sad to hear this news. Michael, you take care of yourself and yours and that the results of your treatment brings you good news." CreationDate="2020-03-26T21:32:24.830" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="22864" PostId="9618" Score="4" Text="I am sorry to hear the news. I really appreciate everything you've done for the site and our community. I wish you well." CreationDate="2020-04-01T18:29:21.477" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="22865" PostId="9618" Score="4" Text="&lt;3 from me and best wishes for a speedy recovery." CreationDate="2020-04-02T20:55:59.510" UserId="584" />
  <row Id="22866" PostId="9618" Score="4" Text="Much love and strength to you." CreationDate="2020-04-05T03:15:24.450" UserId="319774" />
  <row Id="22955" PostId="9618" Score="1" Text="Judging from the frequency of your posts, you seem to have recovered by now. I hope I am not wrong. All the best from the other end of the world." CreationDate="2021-03-18T00:51:31.730" UserId="380923" />
  <row Id="22853" PostId="9620" Score="0" Text="Well then I have a tough one. I have citrix workers randomly rebooting, the admin panel registers the power on, but not the power up." CreationDate="2020-03-26T13:29:15.147" UserId="199890" />
  <row Id="22854" PostId="9620" Score="0" Text="posted. we'll see how it goes. https://serverfault.com/questions/1008518/what-could-cause-xencenter-to-not-register-a-poweroff-in-the-vm-lifecycle-events" CreationDate="2020-03-26T13:50:59.667" UserId="199890" />
  <row Id="22862" PostId="9620" Score="1" Text="Yeeeeeeah, that's not a great question.  In my experience, with what you've got there, you'll either get no answers, or you'll get a half dozen &quot;well it could be X&quot; non-answers.  I've put the question on hold, and I'd suggest carefully reviewing the hold text, with particular attention to the &quot;attempted solutions&quot; -- as in, &quot;what have you already looked at?&quot;.  If you edit your question, it'll automatically go into a review queue, so I (and many others) can reopen it once there's a decent chance it'll get useful answers." CreationDate="2020-03-26T22:29:50.567" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22858" PostId="9621" Score="5" Text="I hope one day to see you post another ride on Strava too." CreationDate="2020-03-26T20:38:39.620" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22860" PostId="9622" Score="1" Text="First you need to check that RPi networking questions would be topical on the RPi site. They used not to like too much of the technical, preferring for example to send OS questions to the U&amp;L site. Further, there are very few people who care enough anymore to migrate away, just 12 occurred in the last 90 days." CreationDate="2020-03-26T21:08:38.520" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22868" PostId="9626" Score="0" Text="It turns out this question is answered by two articles in the existing SF Help Center. However, I was not able to discover the Help Center when I came to Server Fault, then Meta Server Fault, with the question of &quot;how do I create a new tag&quot;. I think that indicates a user experience design problem, that the Help Center content is not discoverable enough. I believe that adding links from the tag wiki for `[tags]` to the Help Center content will improve this situation." CreationDate="2020-04-13T19:42:30.347" UserId="108333" />
  <row Id="22867" PostId="9627" Score="0" Text="I have proposed adding the first paragraph of this answer to the Tag Info for `[tags]` in MSF. That will put the information in the place where I first tried to look for it." CreationDate="2020-04-13T19:36:40.353" UserId="108333" />
  <row Id="22869" PostId="9630" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your detailed response. I'm not trying to know everything. I'm just looking for a resource for server developers to learn about what potential security vulnerabilities are built in the Linux OS by design so that I can know to avoid them and proactively prevent them." CreationDate="2020-04-17T14:03:46.063" UserId="300682" />
  <row Id="22870" PostId="9630" Score="0" Text="What you are looking for the answer to is a whole career path of its own.  You won't be able to get an sort of comprehensive answer on a Q&amp;A site, because it's several books' worth of information." CreationDate="2020-04-18T04:19:48.083" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22871" PostId="9631" Score="0" Text="Hi, please know if it’s link only answer it may get flagged easilly. Please share a picture in worst case of what the answer look like." CreationDate="2020-04-18T10:40:45.470" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22873" PostId="9631" Score="0" Text="Edited as requested." CreationDate="2020-04-19T14:20:25.963" UserId="570433" />
  <row Id="22874" PostId="9631" Score="1" Text="I don't know about &quot;spam&quot; (only SE devs could answer that one), but as an answer, I can't imagine an on-topic question to which it would be appropriate." CreationDate="2020-04-20T23:55:17.763" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22875" PostId="9631" Score="1" Text="It would help me answer if you would include a link to the question which you were attempting to answer. Maybe that sets a context which the anti-spam machinery considers. I'm sad that you are running into this obstacle. It looks like you have good information to share, and an amusing writing style." CreationDate="2020-05-04T20:43:08.457" UserId="108333" />
  <row Id="22954" PostId="9635" Score="0" Text="I would be surprised to learn that SE devs flag as spam a domain reserved by RFC for documentation." CreationDate="2021-03-07T14:41:23.813" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="22898" PostId="9639" Score="0" Text="Duplicate of https://meta.serverfault.com/q/9626/108333" CreationDate="2020-06-04T01:41:29.310" UserId="108333" />
  <row Id="22899" PostId="9639" Score="1" Text="Does this answer your question? [How do I create a new tag?](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/9626/how-do-i-create-a-new-tag)" CreationDate="2020-06-04T01:41:41.817" UserId="108333" />
  <row Id="22878" PostId="9642" Score="0" Text="Thanks womble, that's a little more harsh than I'd apply on [robotics.se], but I can see why you made this decision. I agree with with the point about modifying in warranty servers, but I think the context here is for home lab use, with servers bought after they come out of warranty. Even so, my own solution was to make up new cables and add the resistors in there rather than modify the fans, which meant that I was able to remove the hack when I'd confirmed it didn't work well enough for my liking." CreationDate="2020-05-12T08:03:23.407" UserId="25092" />
  <row Id="22879" PostId="9642" Score="0" Text="Incidentally, I was going to write up my experiences and post an answer here once I'd completed my Arduino PWM fan controller solution, would you consider this inappropriate for server fault, even if I included the corollary that this is not recommended for use in production?" CreationDate="2020-05-12T08:04:44.033" UserId="25092" />
  <row Id="22880" PostId="9642" Score="0" Text="Home labs aren't on topic, since &quot;Questions on Server Fault must be about managing information technology systems in a business environment&quot;.  Anything that isn't recommended in a business environment isn't suitable as an answer.  SF is a bit of a special case in the SE world overall, because we're about &quot;professional&quot; system administration, which significantly changes the dynamic from every other SE site." CreationDate="2020-05-13T04:07:24.967" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22881" PostId="9642" Score="0" Text="Yes, I suspect this would have been better off on Super User, but it's a little too late to migrate now. *8')" CreationDate="2020-05-14T22:05:05.473" UserId="25092" />
  <row Id="22882" PostId="9643" Score="0" Text="Please downvote this post. I want to have the most downvoted post of all time. It will reveal to the greater world how backwards and gatekeeping this site is to google. When people search for questions this site will become irrelevant because the users don't answer questions." CreationDate="2020-05-28T10:43:27.357" UserId="54638" />
  <row Id="22896" PostId="9643" Score="2" Text="Petulance won't get you anywhere." CreationDate="2020-05-31T19:03:33.563" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22883" PostId="9644" Score="0" Text="Exactly. You guys decide everything is off-topic and you're going to send me into the cesspool of stupidity. I would contribute here, but I'd be wasting my breath. If you guys want professional serveradmins, then figure out a way to accept them into your community and take care of them when they have questions." CreationDate="2020-05-28T12:28:24.197" UserId="54638" />
  <row Id="22884" PostId="9644" Score="0" Text="And seriously, I know it gets under some people's skin when I ask them to not downvote me. It must be really hard not to click that down arrow of superiority when someone asks for mercy and forgiveness before they post. I needed an answer to a question. I didnt get it here. End of story" CreationDate="2020-05-28T12:37:21.227" UserId="54638" />
  <row Id="22886" PostId="9644" Score="0" Text="@JMC For reference, the link gave go directly to that;  *On Windows, PuTTY stores most of its data (saved sessions, SSH host keys) in the Registry. The precise location is&#xA;&#xA;HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\SimonTatham\PuTTY*" CreationDate="2020-05-28T12:50:43.640" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22887" PostId="9644" Score="0" Text="My name isn't SimonTatham and i'm not logged in as him. I figured out how to solve the issue by looking at previous restore points, but thats not the issue I'm bringing up. But thanks man for trying to help solve the issue" CreationDate="2020-05-28T12:52:49.010" UserId="54638" />
  <row Id="22888" PostId="9644" Score="0" Text="@JMC Thats the app(putty) author's name BTW" CreationDate="2020-05-28T12:53:49.727" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22889" PostId="9644" Score="0" Text="I know you're a good dude. I'm just frustrated with how people act on here and I know the site could be much greater if we all band together and start helping each other solve issues. Thats why stackexchange was created" CreationDate="2020-05-28T12:55:22.447" UserId="54638" />
  <row Id="22890" PostId="9644" Score="0" Text="I can also see how I look like the asshole. To put it simply, many times I've asked simple questions here that server admins should be able to answer. When I post those questions I typically get downvoted, villified, and told my question belongs in another forum. However, I'm a professional server admin. The things I ask are timely and relevant. So who is in the wrong? The community or the people paid to do the job? You're right, no-one owes me anything, but the greater internet will eventually answer the question. The home for those questions should be the community i've been part of serverf" CreationDate="2020-05-28T13:03:51.230" UserId="54638" />
  <row Id="22897" PostId="9645" Score="1" Text="NAA is a blunt instrument. A wrong answer is, nevertheless, and answer and you have the tools in your toolbox to deal with it. https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5316/when-is-an-answer-not-an-answer" CreationDate="2020-05-31T19:16:51.623" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22892" PostId="9648" Score="0" Text="I interpreted the answer as a frame challenge, attempting to say that the question should have been different rather than answering the question as it was. I do tend to consider frame challenges to be NAA worthy, but I understand that the bar is different on different sites." CreationDate="2020-05-29T08:48:12.247" UserId="25092" />
  <row Id="22893" PostId="9648" Score="2" Text="If every &quot;ye canna change the laws of physics&quot; answer on SF was flagged NAA, we'd be clearing flags until doomsday.  A lot of people ask for a *lot* of impossible things here.  At any rate, I think you might not be in the majority when considering frame challenges NAA on SE in general (cf. https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/263672/138870)." CreationDate="2020-05-29T10:41:46.820" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="22900" PostId="9651" Score="0" Text="Thanks for that!  The slow DB response is not a programming problem per se.  The *query* is slow, whether executed via a program (written in various programming languages) or whether typed in on the command line.  I wasn't aware of DBA until now.  Probably a better place for the question." CreationDate="2020-06-04T04:26:48.070" UserId="294074" />
  <row Id="22901" PostId="9651" Score="0" Text="@Danny It’s now migrated to DBA." CreationDate="2020-06-04T10:38:34.607" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22903" PostId="9657" Score="0" Text="Actually, [the off-topic reasons have been upgraded](https://serverfault.com/admin/flags/site-specific-close-reasons) and some mods have initiated a discussion on their meta sites to personalize the messages, though the public-to-all &quot;close description&quot; is empty by default since the migration to the new design, and mods also need to deactivate the current reason to modify it..." CreationDate="2020-07-06T15:33:44.243" UserId="252799" />
  <row Id="22904" PostId="9658" Score="0" Text="why is this question getting downvotes?" CreationDate="2020-07-08T16:12:51.413" UserId="582368" />
  <row Id="22905" PostId="9658" Score="4" Text="Probably because this is entirely unrelated to serverfault other than the same company runs this site.  It would be appropriate in meta (which I assume it'll be migrated to shortly)." CreationDate="2020-07-08T16:14:31.093" UserDisplayName="user143703" />
  <row Id="22906" PostId="9658" Score="1" Text="It's entirely *legal*, but it's probably against the StackOverflow rules and terms." CreationDate="2020-07-08T16:29:16.103" UserId="584" />
  <row Id="22907" PostId="9658" Score="1" Text="Further reading (for your friend): [How to vote on friends / colleagues ' questions (or answers)](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/138517/241919)" CreationDate="2020-07-11T09:39:33.970" UserId="252799" />
  <row Id="22909" PostId="9658" Score="0" Text="If you really want to, you can trick the system. But doing that correctly, with close-to-zero risk does not worth the price. Note, SE, while it is funny, it is also a psychological hack. If you trick the system - with a lot of work - to get to a high rep easily, then you violate its written rules, but you can not do it without producing also worthy content. With this, you still do what the creators of the SE do want from you." CreationDate="2020-07-27T20:14:43.193" UserId="200053" />
  <row Id="22910" PostId="9665" Score="0" Text="Alright, I do not intend to change the question now as it already got several answers but for future reference: Suppose I would 'just' ask something like: &quot;What is the meaning of /20 in CIDR notation.&quot; Would that be a decent fit, or does it still not feel right? (I would be asking someone to explain something to me, rather than asking directly how to do something)" CreationDate="2020-08-05T09:51:28.300" UserId="192372" />
  <row Id="22941" PostId="9666" Score="0" Text="...I feel somewhat old when someone asks question about something in IT I *never heard about*..." CreationDate="2021-01-23T04:57:22.367" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="22918" PostId="9683" Score="4" Text="Yes. While other companies will be able to purchase advertisements, the sponsorship is exclusive to Octopus Deploy for the duration of the year." CreationDate="2020-11-02T14:01:30.700" UserId="1661" />
  <row Id="22920" PostId="9684" Score="2" Text="Welcome to Server Fault, and thanks for taking the extra time (and punishment) to learn how to improve your questions. Please keep on coming back with more Qs and As." CreationDate="2020-11-10T11:03:55.890" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="22923" PostId="9687" Score="0" Text="My question already has answers [here](https://meta.serverfault.com/q/2737/178661). &quot;We do not deal with home-questions or open shopping-questions&quot; and &quot;Serverfault is a site designed for professionals, whereas SO is happy with both professionals and amateurs.&quot;" CreationDate="2020-11-18T06:29:38.587" UserId="178661" />
  <row Id="22922" PostId="9688" Score="0" Text="I see your point, thanks. I also found another meta answer [here](https://meta.serverfault.com/a/2740/178661) that's relevant." CreationDate="2020-11-18T06:27:17.700" UserId="178661" />
  <row Id="22931" PostId="9689" Score="0" Text="The later form was considered to be more specific for the target audience. It is a positive deliminator not a negative one. Rather than trying to cover all of the different situations which could occur, this specifically delineates what SF supports. Business Networks need a whole different level of reliability and accountability than what is acceptable for other environments, dodgy obsolete hardware and risky administration practices are not acceptable to business financial stability." CreationDate="2020-12-08T01:01:07.007" UserId="342838" />
  <row Id="22924" PostId="9691" Score="0" Text="Good question, I'am asking on TL if it's in their plan, or maybe to stop bumping question that use tag about legacy product too." CreationDate="2020-11-26T21:31:06.970" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22927" PostId="9691" Score="0" Text="Case in point: https://serverfault.com/questions/679763/windows-2003-task-scheduler-not-running-in-foreground" CreationDate="2020-11-28T00:59:40.720" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="22940" PostId="9691" Score="0" Text="Another case in point: this just tricked me into answering a *TEN YEARS OLD QUESTION*. https://serverfault.com/questions/232161/active-directory-find-out-which-users-belong-to-a-group-policy-object" CreationDate="2021-01-23T00:13:23.010" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="22967" PostId="9691" Score="0" Text="@Massimo but your answer got two up votes, so even if the question is 10 years old, apparently some people found it useful enough to vote." CreationDate="2021-04-12T19:13:37.360" UserId="71592" />
  <row Id="23085" PostId="9691" Score="0" Text="A related newer request: [Reduce bump activity of the Community Bot](https://meta.serverfault.com/q/9834/810687)" CreationDate="2022-09-24T01:46:15.850" UserId="810687" />
  <row Id="22925" PostId="9692" Score="2" Text="It's not a great sign of community health that we don't have enough incoming new questions to provide new-comers a chance to get heard." CreationDate="2020-11-28T00:25:07.300" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="22926" PostId="9692" Score="1" Text="@sysadmin1138 I totally agree. But newcomers posting useless answers to old and meaningless questions is actually a problem. I'd totally like to give them better chances to be useful. But this is really something they should *not* do." CreationDate="2020-11-28T00:28:26.357" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="22928" PostId="9692" Score="0" Text="This feels like something our users with enough reputation could help with. Start _protecting_ seriously out of date questions. Since that's most of the database at this point, that's a lot of work. Anything structural would have to happen at the Staff level." CreationDate="2020-11-28T03:49:34.607" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="22930" PostId="9692" Score="0" Text="Can you show a specific example of such a 'useless' answer in context? Right now your question would be considered not answerable because not enough information is provided to answer if it were on the regular site." CreationDate="2020-12-08T00:28:28.397" UserId="342838" />
  <row Id="22932" PostId="9696" Score="0" Text="Whilst not having an accepted answer may cause community to bump the question to the front page it is not the only reason. A question that has no UPVOTED answers is also considered to be unanswered and therefore eligible for a bump." CreationDate="2020-12-08T12:19:16.863" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23087" PostId="9696" Score="0" Text="Oh please. Trying to answer a hopeless question is bad now? Should have VTC it in the first place." CreationDate="2022-09-24T06:19:26.030" UserId="6352" />
  <row Id="22936" PostId="9701" Score="0" Text="While unfortunate that SF needs to give away one of the 5 slots for more or less just a better &quot;needs clarity&quot; - I always liked that the close reasons here are *&quot;do this&quot;* and not merely *&quot;you did the wrong thing&quot;*. Can you think of a good .. lets call it *demand to the asker*? The best I could come up with is &quot;google that and then try again&quot;, but its not generic enough." CreationDate="2020-12-26T10:40:11.333" UserId="250204" />
  <row Id="22934" PostId="9703" Score="0" Text="Compassionate downvotes help speed up putting questions out of their misery too" CreationDate="2020-12-22T13:16:18.480" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22937" PostId="9704" Score="0" Text="This would be a more compelling question without the commentary, ie if there was actually a question in the body of the post." CreationDate="2021-01-04T07:13:46.650" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="22938" PostId="9704" Score="0" Text="The question was how to achieve the override. I tried just to be cool and said what I've looked by myself." CreationDate="2021-01-04T17:49:48.897" UserId="127819" />
  <row Id="22939" PostId="9704" Score="0" Text="Sure seems like a mistake." CreationDate="2021-01-08T13:42:29.457" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="22943" PostId="9708" Score="1" Text="&quot;_reputation is so hard to build_&quot; Not really. It is just five up votes (ask a good question, give a good answer, even to your own question), 25 approved edits to existing posts (two points each), etc. Getting 50 points is not all that hard." CreationDate="2021-01-24T23:22:51.893" UserId="324849" />
  <row Id="22946" PostId="9708" Score="4" Text="See also [Why do I need 50 reputation to comment? What can I do instead?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/214173/189912)" CreationDate="2021-01-27T09:39:35.483" UserId="126632" />
  <row Id="22953" PostId="9708" Score="0" Text="&quot;I can't ask a question in the meta forum, because I don't have enough reputation.&quot; - really?! How much rep is reqd to post on meta? I didn't think it required any (since that does rather defeat the point of meta)?" CreationDate="2021-03-04T17:57:07.613" UserId="49157" />
  <row Id="22945" PostId="9712" Score="1" Text="THANK YOU!!! :)" CreationDate="2021-01-27T05:17:59.063" UserId="127819" />
  <row Id="22949" PostId="9718" Score="0" Text="Thanks for pointing that issue. I confirm the phishing purpose. I visited the site and I got an fake AD from my ISP for a prize.. I will start to point the URL to webarchive like Glorfindel stated." CreationDate="2021-02-24T14:03:42.717" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22950" PostId="9718" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I did that for one already, but didn't have time to fix them all." CreationDate="2021-02-24T18:09:22.707" UserId="274176" />
  <row Id="22951" PostId="9718" Score="1" Text="I think I've now replaced all the links, but couldn't find a way to verify it, because the `url:` search finds both equally." CreationDate="2021-02-25T14:40:39.343" UserId="274176" />
  <row Id="22952" PostId="9718" Score="0" Text="oh , thanks a lot, yesterday my job kept me away from here, I wasnt able to do what I wanted to edit" CreationDate="2021-02-25T15:06:03.813" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="22956" PostId="9720" Score="3" Text="The tool is of course: https://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/ - the question is of course what to query to measure &quot;health&quot;" CreationDate="2021-03-19T15:32:13.833" UserId="546643" />
  <row Id="22957" PostId="9720" Score="3" Text="How many were answered ? What was the quality of the answers ? What was the reputation of the answerers?" CreationDate="2021-03-21T09:46:42.377" UserId="620588" />
  <row Id="22958" PostId="9720" Score="1" Text="https://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/303570/answer-rate-over-time#graph" CreationDate="2021-03-21T09:49:32.627" UserId="620588" />
  <row Id="22963" PostId="9720" Score="1" Text="Most of the so-called 'junior sysadmins' probably wouldn't consider themselves to be so. check out their profiles and see where they have most reputation. It will most likely be SO which makes them developers. When I did this a few years ago &gt;60% of questions were asked by people with more rep elsewhere in SE. Te remainder were either amateurs or it could not be determined." CreationDate="2021-04-08T15:08:34.320" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22970" PostId="9720" Score="0" Text="@user9517 A trend I observe is that karma doesn't always tell the whole story. For example, I have the highest karma over at AskUbuntu, but that is only because I hit the jackpot on one question. The majority of my activity has been elsewhere, for example here in SF I have &gt;1400 reviews as I used to spend a lot of time in the review queues I have access to (though I'm not a professional so mostly I was just making sure people were following the site's code conduct, revising questions with poor formatting, encouraging users to ask  better questions, etc.)." CreationDate="2021-04-14T12:28:14.930" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="22971" PostId="9720" Score="0" Text="@user9517 BTW, I'm not disagreeing, just commenting there are yet other factors." CreationDate="2021-04-14T12:29:42.297" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="22973" PostId="9720" Score="1" Text="@Paul Statistical noise." CreationDate="2021-04-16T08:27:51.787" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22974" PostId="9720" Score="0" Text="@user9517 You are correct about SO in their inability to help their own users configure a server to support the dev work and instead dumping their questions over here. I had never noticed it before and, yeah, it probably is ~60% of the questions asked are users with substantially higher karma on SO. It also appears they aren't interested in reciprocating when I just ask a simple question requesting help for reading code in a plugin they promptly close the question because apparently anything to do with a server must be dealing with configuring a server (ultimately _not_ the reason for asking)." CreationDate="2021-04-16T17:16:02.203" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="22959" PostId="9721" Score="3" Text="One thing we don't know is how many people ask a question of $favoriteSearchEngine, get directed to SF, find the answer to their problem and move on (having viewed all of the relevant adverts etc.) . The widening gap between questions asked and answered is not good. I wonder what that would be like if Michael Hampton stopped playing the game. Maybe the folks at Octopus deploy can tell us whether their money was well spent in sponsoring the site ?" CreationDate="2021-03-22T16:53:36.427" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22960" PostId="9721" Score="2" Text="@user9517 I often come here to search and usually find answers to my questions, so I don't even come in through a search engine. I do often leave upvotes, though I find I'm more generous than others when it comes to that. Also, it gives me great joy to see Michael Hampton returning, but he does often answer questions in a comment, which skews the above graph. Further, search engine answer boxes often include the relevant parts of an answer in the search result, meaning the user wouldn't even have clicked on the search result (or any, as is now a majority trend of &quot;zero-clicking&quot;)." CreationDate="2021-03-23T16:20:06.583" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="22964" PostId="9721" Score="1" Text="How quickly bad/spam/duplicate questions get closed is also something to consider. My impression is that all categories hang around far too long as there just aren't enough people who care any more." CreationDate="2021-04-08T15:10:11.900" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22965" PostId="9721" Score="0" Text="@user9517 Is this related to the close votes review queue? There is a lot more in the review queues overall as compared to times past. I used to spend a lot of time in the review queues I am granted access to, but haven't in some time because reasons, and I wonder if attrition of reviewers is higher than previously." CreationDate="2021-04-09T13:51:50.247" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="22966" PostId="9721" Score="1" Text="@Paul It's not related to the review mines but the length of them is a consequence of the lack of people who play that part of the game. Thel ack of reviewers is a signal that things are less then good," CreationDate="2021-04-09T19:32:47.940" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22968" PostId="9721" Score="0" Text="@user9517 I have wondered if it is related to up-vote stinginess. If a new user comes in and asks questions only (as they are learning), my casual observation is that the questions tend not to get up-votes. Even when a question generates an answer that is accepted, and that answer gets up-votes, the question often does not. I do realize accepting an answer yields karma reward, but it's really slow going for new users. This means it takes longer to build up karma to gain access to things like review queues, and likely many never bother as it may appear unachievable." CreationDate="2021-04-13T17:02:49.497" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="22969" PostId="9721" Score="1" Text="@Paul See my last comment on the question above. SF is SO's Hell Desk. Most of the questions are asked by people who just want to get on with hacking their code. Using google and thinking is too time consuming for them and their primary goal." CreationDate="2021-04-14T08:08:42.277" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22972" PostId="9721" Score="0" Text="@user9517 I'm not trying to turn this into an SO-bashing session, but I just posted a question over there that would be on-topic here at SF, however I thought it would be there because it's basically my inability to read through a spamassassin plugin. It was closed and you can see the reason: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67094667/where-does-spamassassin-get-pds-other-bad-tld-listed-domains-from" CreationDate="2021-04-15T01:07:39.220" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="22962" PostId="9723" Score="3" Text="Community isn't too bright." CreationDate="2021-03-27T15:21:45.700" UserId="94332" />
  <row Id="22975" PostId="9726" Score="0" Text="Are you also updating the help pages such as https://serverfault.com/help/privileges/close-questions that (still) state: *&quot;It takes 5 close votes to reach the closing threshold&quot;* ?  And similar ones such as  https://serverfault.com/help/privileges/view-close-votes and https://serverfault.com/help/closed-questions and maybe more" CreationDate="2021-05-06T14:01:32.337" UserId="546643" />
  <row Id="22976" PostId="9726" Score="2" Text="Those *should* all be wildcards that look at the site settings to pull the number without us manually updating them - but I can double check after I make the change." CreationDate="2021-05-06T14:06:15.607" UserId="445158" />
  <row Id="22977" PostId="9726" Score="0" Text="Thank you in advance." CreationDate="2021-05-06T14:07:59.063" UserId="546643" />
  <row Id="22978" PostId="9726" Score="1" Text="All looks good regarding your concerns, @Bob :)" CreationDate="2021-05-07T05:44:16.817" UserId="445158" />
  <row Id="22982" PostId="9731" Score="0" Text="But I see among my 6 questions, 2 of them are closed. And may I know the count of downvotes of deleted questions? I cannot see them." CreationDate="2021-06-01T08:07:18.220" UserId="475409" />
  <row Id="22983" PostId="9731" Score="1" Text="4 of the 5 deleted questions are closed, most for being off-topic.  Each deleted question has one downvote." CreationDate="2021-06-01T15:10:59.607" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="22999" PostId="9732" Score="0" Text="Please be mindful of the gang warfare happening between Windows Server IT folk and POSIX server IT folk." CreationDate="2021-09-27T19:28:00.137" UserId="59123" />
  <row Id="22984" PostId="9741" Score="2" Text="Sadly, nothing you say has not been said before many times. The people who used to actively moderate the site mostly drifted away because of the issues you describe. 3 votes isn't really going to solve the problem of too few people doing the voting." CreationDate="2021-06-23T08:13:37.073" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22989" PostId="9742" Score="0" Text="&gt; Would a thread asking info to port some ancient COBOL routines to C++ 19 also be closed by a mod?&#xA;Almost certainly - that is off topic for [SF] it may fly on [SO] though. This place isn't Usenet or a mailing list or a forum. There are no threads/thread handling/discussions - just Questions and Answers." CreationDate="2021-07-03T09:50:02.400" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="22990" PostId="9742" Score="0" Text="OP asked a question; no discussion. And my reference to COBOL tried to serve as an example of attitude with regard to closing a thread because it ***partly*** references old/unsupported/ancient technology . The reference to Usenet was made to recall times when someone asks and whoever has something to contribute and wants to help, is free to do so. These points should be clear, yet I'd like to clarify them. In doing so, we both might have started a discussion. So, let's better try to address the heart of the OP..." CreationDate="2021-07-03T13:58:52.473" UserId="227688" />
  <row Id="22985" PostId="9743" Score="0" Text="I decided to handle this by making a conscious effort to get 2k instead of posting here in meta. (o;" CreationDate="2021-07-02T02:20:16.050" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="22987" PostId="9744" Score="1" Text="i wanna support, but until i got 300 points it tooks more as a year from now, till i get 2k  i belive it take ages - dont want to tell that someone should support me but sometimes i wish getting pushed to support this site" CreationDate="2021-07-02T05:16:21.367" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="22997" PostId="9744" Score="1" Text="now after risking a lot, I gained the first access to the review queue, and surprise, if I suggest an edit I will add someone else to another queue to accept my review. sadly... Enough that even and at this point I a agree to all, that not enough players are playing the game" CreationDate="2021-07-14T16:51:11.623" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="22986" PostId="9745" Score="0" Text="Although the comment text reads &quot;avoid thanks or +1 answers&quot;, I must say a &quot;thanks&quot; for taking the time to address me in a humane and explanative way, as well as actually delve into the issues of my OP... As for the re-open queue I don't know where it can be found, but I'll try." CreationDate="2021-07-02T04:47:09.403" UserId="227688" />
  <row Id="22988" PostId="9745" Score="1" Text="@carmik Someone needs to nominate it for reopening. If I do it, it'll just get reopened. The three people who voted-to-close are very active users and could simply close it again if they disagree with me. Moderatorship is a limited godhood." CreationDate="2021-07-02T14:28:58.140" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="23124" PostId="9745" Score="0" Text="I think you meant &quot;three votes to CLOSE&quot;." CreationDate="2023-04-12T12:59:07.810" UserId="344146" />
  <row Id="22995" PostId="9746" Score="0" Text="Does adding a tag contribute to changed character count?" CreationDate="2021-07-09T17:00:33.537" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="22991" PostId="9747" Score="0" Text="A hack is to select improve edit. Then it'll be approved instantly... ;) Apart from that; I agree with your sentiments regarding the queues. I won't claim I do too many edit reviews on those SE's where I can..." CreationDate="2021-07-03T20:58:32.480" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="22992" PostId="9747" Score="0" Text="What about a second path to queue privileges that is based on reviews performed instead of internet points?" CreationDate="2021-07-04T12:18:56.430" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="22993" PostId="9747" Score="3" Text="Add to that that the queues were redesigned to require even more clicks." CreationDate="2021-07-05T01:34:20.167" UserId="180142" />
  <row Id="22994" PostId="9747" Score="2" Text="The game needs a larger number of players than are currently active to work as designed. Right now there are insufficient players to answer ~50% of the questions that are asked so it's not surprising that the more janitorial aspects of the game are unplayed." CreationDate="2021-07-06T09:10:07.047" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23004" PostId="9747" Score="0" Text="The reason that multiple approvals are required is to prevent robo-reviewers from breaking the system." CreationDate="2021-10-07T14:13:23.227" UserId="866518" />
  <row Id="23000" PostId="9752" Score="0" Text="I used this [SEDE query](https://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/1472877/list-questions-mentioning-and-linking-ietf-rfc) to identify a few additional URLs that may still be worth updating if unaffected by network-wide action." CreationDate="2021-09-28T07:45:15.190" UserId="250204" />
  <row Id="23005" PostId="9754" Score="1" Text="Yes, I noticed you were always on the &quot;don't belong&quot; side. What about questions like &quot;is this setup adequate&quot;? It's normal for them to cite inadequate setup, this is the purpose of the question to verify it. The question in the question is like that. Is it normal to *close* them as citing inadequate solution rather than answering with that and explaining why?" CreationDate="2021-10-27T08:04:23.583" UserId="325117" />
  <row Id="23007" PostId="9757" Score="16" Text="Good guy. Chatted with him on and off for years, and will miss his wit." CreationDate="2021-11-26T20:39:38.067" UserId="73435" />
  <row Id="23009" PostId="9757" Score="11" Text="Oh, no! I'm so sorry to hear this!" CreationDate="2021-12-01T23:03:07.843" UserId="174813" />
  <row Id="23010" PostId="9757" Score="8" Text="This saddens me deeply. I really admired him for his knowledge, I always had the impression that he could answer any question on serverfault.com. While we will surely miss him, it might be a consoling thought that much of his outstanding expertise will stay here forever. RIP Michael" CreationDate="2021-12-02T13:49:22.410" UserId="472047" />
  <row Id="23013" PostId="9757" Score="3" Text="Very sad to hear this. What a great chap. Spoke to him on and off in the past. RIP Michael and hope all the best for those he left behind." CreationDate="2021-12-14T10:53:40.053" UserId="75118" />
  <row Id="23250" PostId="9757" Score="1" Text="He appears to have been posting helpful answers to the last day of his life. This is so sad." CreationDate="2023-11-30T21:14:01.513" UserId="1020254" />
  <row Id="23011" PostId="9758" Score="4" Text="Cancer sucks. :(" CreationDate="2021-12-04T19:31:27.027" UserId="50647" />
  <row Id="23016" PostId="9773" Score="0" Text="Tough pick, but I think I like this answer more as it covers the new link angle" CreationDate="2021-12-22T20:13:45.503" UserId="946763" />
  <row Id="23017" PostId="9773" Score="0" Text="Plus it prompted me to update the link to Appendix A which was also broken and hadn't been updated yet" CreationDate="2021-12-22T20:17:29.483" UserId="946763" />
  <row Id="23018" PostId="9774" Score="0" Text="I only asked because I thought there was some tool for doing this that was both silently and a little easier than manually editing each question. However, if it is just as easy for me to edit a couple each day, I can do that, no problem." CreationDate="2021-12-30T14:19:56.377" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23019" PostId="9775" Score="1" Text="Thanks, I didn't realize that." CreationDate="2021-12-30T20:10:07.193" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23020" PostId="9776" Score="1" Text="It would be nice if the report showed amount of time Edit queue full or how many people tried to submit an edit but couldn't because the queue was full, how many abandoned the edit." CreationDate="2022-01-13T01:15:42.837" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23021" PostId="9776" Score="0" Text="Kinda unrelated, but also related. Using the name 'meta' now has a new and different connotation since Facebook has now renamed itself to 'Meta'. Using this ServerFault 'meta' naming can easily become confused with Facebook, potentially implying that the 'meta' ServerFault site is owned or operated by Facebook. Someone may want to reconsider using 'meta' in the URL and in the site's naming." CreationDate="2022-01-25T23:50:13.093" UserId="323456" />
  <row Id="23023" PostId="9779" Score="3" Text="I'm not here much (mostly active on Ask Ubuntu, instead), but I recently ran out of flags for the day due to me flagging a bunch of spam (apparently there is a limit on the number of spam flags I can raise per day), despite every spam flag I've raised being marked helpful, and having no declined flags. Is there a way the limit of red spam flags per user can be temporarily raised, so long as they have a good helpful/declined flag ratio? It would be nice if I could flag more spam per day, but the limit is preventing that, so could the limit be increased for a while, perhaps a week or two?" CreationDate="2022-02-02T03:37:32.590" UserId="870242" />
  <row Id="23028" PostId="9779" Score="1" Text="By flagging you [automatically earn more flags per day](https://serverfault.com/help/privileges/flag-posts): `one bonus flag for every ten net helpful flags (helpful flags minus declined flags)`. Just keep flagging." CreationDate="2022-02-08T13:27:49.657" UserId="38644" />
  <row Id="23029" PostId="9780" Score="1" Text="Just to show how much more effective flagging is I think it is worth to mention that it takes [only 3 spam flags to banish a post from the front page](https://serverfault.com/help/privileges/flag-posts)." CreationDate="2022-02-08T13:30:03.333" UserId="38644" />
  <row Id="23024" PostId="9781" Score="2" Text="Oh cool! I'll take a look at this, I may be able to help with regex etc." CreationDate="2022-02-02T09:00:27.440" UserId="230046" />
  <row Id="23025" PostId="9781" Score="1" Text="An ambitious project for somebody from the Server Fault community could be to help improve the resilience of metasmoke. I have some idle thoughts around putting it behind Cloudflare to make it more responsive but I'm a complete amateur about these things. (The  actual hosting is fortunately handled by someone who is a professional.)" CreationDate="2022-02-02T09:04:55.930" UserId="98333" />
  <row Id="23026" PostId="9781" Score="0" Text="I could definitely try and help with that although it sounds like a larger project! Where's the best place to start talking about that?" CreationDate="2022-02-02T09:06:36.010" UserId="230046" />
  <row Id="23027" PostId="9781" Score="2" Text="The chat room is a good place to at least start discussions. Perhaps pick a time when our North American members are more likely to be around (Thomas is US East coast I believe)." CreationDate="2022-02-02T09:08:18.780" UserId="98333" />
  <row Id="23030" PostId="9783" Score="0" Text="What does the guys at Devops SE say about this?" CreationDate="2022-02-12T18:52:50.397" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="23032" PostId="9783" Score="2" Text="One of the founding reasons for a separate devops.se was that Serverfault was not a good fit for many of it's users and questions, This is still true. Closing it and merging it to SF will do no one a service. My comment [here](https://meta.serverfault.com/a/9587/9517) about devops.se remains true." CreationDate="2022-02-13T19:18:36.793" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23034" PostId="9783" Score="2" Text="Here on SF there are also too many new users and too few answerers as well. More than 50% of questions [go unansered](https://data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/query/303570/answer-rate-over-time#graph) and the gap is growing." CreationDate="2022-02-13T19:22:01.797" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23035" PostId="9783" Score="0" Text="@user9517 I agree, it does not at all fit to &quot;ServerFault&quot; in the core sense of the word in many cases. But where would it fit then? Super User?" CreationDate="2022-02-13T19:22:07.500" UserId="607547" />
  <row Id="23037" PostId="9783" Score="0" Text="As long as it's not here I don't care. I remain disappointed that the devops.se site has not taken off as I was hoping it would take away all the crappy questions away from SF." CreationDate="2022-02-13T19:27:16.153" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23039" PostId="9783" Score="0" Text="@user9517 We talk about 5000 DevOps questions. SF has 310.000. Cannot be the life changer in any case, whatever your opinion is on this. If it is just to keep out crappy questions, I would rather question your point of view on it. For crappy questions, you have the vote button. This question here is not about improving the SF quality by keeping the DevOps questions out, but by looking *only* at the topic. And DevOps is kind of a duplicate of ServerFault in many cases, I know that from asking a few questions there and here myself, there is a confusion about ServerFault and DevOps." CreationDate="2022-02-13T19:32:51.577" UserId="607547" />
  <row Id="23041" PostId="9783" Score="4" Text="I'm well aware of how the site is supposed to work, I'm still the second highest voter on hte site and I rarely contribute any more. The reason I rarely contribute is that wading through an amazonian sized river of crappy questions looking for something interesting (an voting appropriately along the way) is too wearing. Adding more crappy stuff from sites that failed to take off isn't going to help." CreationDate="2022-02-13T19:46:04.223" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23042" PostId="9783" Score="0" Text="@user9517 Then new users should get informed that they should rather try it on ServerFault. So that DevOps can fade out. If you have such an experience there, your point of view on it is understandable. Perhaps DevOps needs to be stopped so that the Q/A are archived for research and asking questions is not possible anymore." CreationDate="2022-02-13T19:48:45.800" UserId="607547" />
  <row Id="23044" PostId="9783" Score="0" Text="@I^H oops @user9517 Interesting that the decline in # of questions may have bottomed out but the answers continues to go down..." CreationDate="2022-02-13T21:15:58.367" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="23045" PostId="9783" Score="0" Text="@Ward-ReinstateMonica And take away any self-answered question." CreationDate="2022-02-14T06:57:03.110" UserId="607547" />
  <row Id="23036" PostId="9784" Score="0" Text="The difficulty is where is the line drawn? If one person's obvious home use question gets answered then the next person will expect the same and it all devolves into arguments why was x allowed and my y is not ... [Broken windows](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory) is relevant." CreationDate="2022-02-13T19:24:53.303" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23038" PostId="9784" Score="0" Text="Which is why I'm for rescinding the rule and rather placing more focus on the topics covered. At the other hand, I see Ward's reasons as well, which is basically arguing that if it's a good question, we should edit it to fit..." CreationDate="2022-02-13T19:29:24.900" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="23040" PostId="9784" Score="2" Text="Then you just end up being [SU]." CreationDate="2022-02-13T19:38:13.990" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23043" PostId="9784" Score="1" Text="No, I'm not advocating allowing /basic/ questions. Rather not filter based on usage area, but complexity of questions." CreationDate="2022-02-13T21:08:22.493" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="23046" PostId="9784" Score="4" Text="If you can come up with an objective, unambiguous definition of &quot;complex enough&quot; that can be applied to the questions on SF, then it might be worth considering.  Moderators already get accused of being capricious and arbitrary; we don't need &quot;what do you mean my question wasn't complex enough?!?&quot; too." CreationDate="2022-02-22T01:10:52.833" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="23049" PostId="9784" Score="0" Text="thats why i preferred serverfault.com because of the business related issues. Superuser.com has been for home abd enduser and its great" CreationDate="2022-03-21T17:43:41.337" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23031" PostId="9785" Score="0" Text="I do not expect a large meta user community in a seemingly dead SE. There are to the largest part only new users with a few points, and those are the users I am asking for. They will not even look at the meta site." CreationDate="2022-02-13T19:02:48.423" UserId="607547" />
  <row Id="23033" PostId="9785" Score="1" Text="Opened there. Let us see :))))))&#xA;https://devops.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/370/merge-devops-into-serverfault-polite-for-close-down-devops-se-and-find-the-be" CreationDate="2022-02-13T19:18:48.390" UserId="607547" />
  <row Id="23047" PostId="9787" Score="2" Text="Sounds like these are likely questions already answered. Just find the question with a valid answer and flag appropriately." CreationDate="2022-03-14T15:41:40.837" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23053" PostId="9794" Score="5" Text="This is an international site that used English. People can only fix what they see needs fixing. Not everyone will 'see' grammar/spelling etc that is incorrect. If several people each fix what they see needs fixing then ultimately the post is improved each time and overall." CreationDate="2022-04-06T07:02:11.030" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23052" PostId="9795" Score="0" Text="I agree with what you write. Maybe I was unclear, but I think an edit should try to improve *all* aspects of answers, and minor formatting bits doesn't *significantly* improve the post. But thank you for your input, I appreciate it! :)" CreationDate="2022-04-05T21:24:20.047" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="23054" PostId="9795" Score="1" Text="I hadn't thought about it and I think you are correct regarding updating old syntax that should instead be a new answer. If I make a comment mentioning an editor of a suggested edit, do they receive notification?" CreationDate="2022-04-11T12:45:06.073" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23055" PostId="9795" Score="0" Text="@Paul Question-askers and answer-makers do get notified when comments are left on their posts, yes." CreationDate="2022-04-11T16:18:12.420" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="23090" PostId="9798" Score="0" Text="The answer doesn't say so, but it appears that this in fact *has* been done." CreationDate="2022-09-29T13:43:38.317" UserId="985142" />
  <row Id="23059" PostId="9818" Score="0" Text="Thanks. The question was indeed based on a misunderstanding of where the code was running. One of the answers pointed this out, and from my PoV that was a helpful answer and the matter is closed. What concerns me is that the question might have been closed without my getting that (or any) answer, which leaves me wondering whether this site is intended for use by people who might have a problem based on a misunderstanding. I do my best to run a problem to ground before I post, but residual misunderstanding is always a possibility." CreationDate="2022-06-08T11:16:02.630" UserId="969013" />
  <row Id="23060" PostId="9818" Score="0" Text="@JamesD Comments still function on closed answers." CreationDate="2022-06-09T13:07:33.737" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23061" PostId="9818" Score="0" Text="@Paul As you've probably guessed, I'm new on this platform. I didn't realise that it would still be possible to comment on a Closed question. Can you point me at some resource which sets out the basic semantics of question statuses? I thought I had &quot;Read the FAQ&quot;, but it seems that there is more to learn here." CreationDate="2022-06-11T09:53:47.120" UserId="969013" />
  <row Id="23062" PostId="9819" Score="6" Text="Was there any feedback from Octopus Deploy you can share about their sponsorship ?" CreationDate="2022-07-15T11:12:30.903" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23063" PostId="9820" Score="1" Text="I don't think most people realize their edits were rejected.  There's no notification for the fact.  And even if you go and find out that your edit got rejected it is usually not clear why it was rejected.  The lack of feedback for edits is regrettable.  Then eventually you get enough rep that your edits are instant and unreviewed." CreationDate="2022-07-27T23:28:25.987" UserId="205542" />
  <row Id="23066" PostId="9822" Score="2" Text="The 'cooperate' because they get paid." CreationDate="2022-08-17T07:53:38.837" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23067" PostId="9824" Score="0" Text="One link is still HTTP: The first SuperUser link." CreationDate="2022-08-20T00:24:46.673" UserId="537700" />
  <row Id="23068" PostId="9824" Score="0" Text="@forest oops and done :)" CreationDate="2022-08-20T00:56:50.813" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23069" PostId="9825" Score="0" Text="Hi, I asked in the TL, to see if a know bug exist, I will let you know, maybe the question might be better suited for MSE too, but I will let you know when I will have some feedback" CreationDate="2022-09-02T20:06:06.827" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23070" PostId="9825" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 Right, it will not just be a bug of this SE only. If you will, you can move it to MSE, as you like. My guess: 25 quite new SE users clicked on my username since it it so long, checking whether there could be the link to the other error I write about right before my username. Since it starts with question42. Should not be counted either, though." CreationDate="2022-09-02T22:19:41.440" UserId="607547" />
  <row Id="23071" PostId="9825" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 I flagged it to be moved to Meta Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2022-09-03T16:36:17.967" UserId="607547" />
  <row Id="23072" PostId="9825" Score="0" Text="I tried to move but sadly as you are blocked from asking there the move got rejected. Lets wait to see if someone can answer here I would guess" CreationDate="2022-09-03T18:19:36.553" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23073" PostId="9825" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 Yes I had just got the right to ask after roughly half a year of ban time. Then I got downvoted heavily for the first new question I had. And that has led to a new ban again. That ban algorithm can get better." CreationDate="2022-09-04T14:23:14.283" UserId="607547" />
  <row Id="23074" PostId="9826" Score="2" Text="There are business uses for TOR but that question is a mess and should be closed as such." CreationDate="2022-09-06T09:00:07.530" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23075" PostId="9826" Score="0" Text="could you please explain what is the business related purpose of TOR" CreationDate="2022-09-06T17:11:58.967" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23076" PostId="9826" Score="2" Text="To allow people to circumvent censorship of provided information or services e.g. the BBC provides several .onion sites see https://www.bbcweb3hytmzhn5d532owbu6oqadra5z3ar726vq5kgwwn6aucdccrad.onion/ or to allow customers to use your site services anonymously (for the privacy minded)   e.g. the VPN provider mullvad.net (who are the underlying infrastructure for the Mozilla VPN also have a .onion site." CreationDate="2022-09-06T20:21:36.783" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23077" PostId="9826" Score="1" Text="Facebook: https://www.facebookwkhpilnemxj7asaniu7vnjjbiltxjqhye3mhbshg7kx5tfyd.onion/&#xA;&#xA;duckduckgo: https://duckduckgogg42xjoc72x3sjasowoarfbgcmvfimaftt6twagswzczad.onion/&#xA;&#xA;There are likely man more" CreationDate="2022-09-06T20:35:11.947" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23078" PostId="9826" Score="2" Text="[It's &quot;Tor&quot;, by the way, not &quot;TOR&quot;](https://matt.traudt.xyz/posts/2021-02-22-tor-spelling/)." CreationDate="2022-09-07T01:51:33.730" UserId="1375" />
  <row Id="23079" PostId="9828" Score="1" Text="In the channel chat room I would guess, especially if it bring discussion. (If it look more ontopic we will just direct to the site in worst case)" CreationDate="2022-09-14T10:32:38.517" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23080" PostId="9832" Score="0" Text="It is sad this question do not get valuable answer (IMHO) in right time. And I have my doubts about my answer because software companies change (probably) a lot for these 11 years. The odd (and funny) part is OP do not exist anymore. So I can't expect to have my answer accepted :)" CreationDate="2022-09-19T13:57:06.213" UserId="293588" />
  <row Id="23081" PostId="9832" Score="0" Text="One more point. This procedure with bumping questions may go to infinite loop. OP is no longer part of SE, question is unanswered. Community user bump it, someone post good answer, but because of absence of OP answer can't be accepted. And Community user may bump it again and again..." CreationDate="2022-09-19T19:42:33.950" UserId="293588" />
  <row Id="23082" PostId="9833" Score="0" Text="So there is also other criteria (upvote for example) to make question answered for community user. Thank you for clarification. :)" CreationDate="2022-09-20T05:37:22.740" UserId="293588" />
  <row Id="23083" PostId="9834" Score="1" Text="Bumping a question &quot;every hour&quot; seems far too frequent for this site. On a massive site like StackOverflow, no one would even notice that many, but here, 24 is a significant fraction of the new postings.  Even worse, the given log shows 2 bumps each hour. ¶ Bumps should be based on each site's frequency of new posts." CreationDate="2022-09-23T12:32:55.737" UserId="985142" />
  <row Id="23084" PostId="9834" Score="1" Text="I removed the [bug] tag, since this doesn't seem to be buggy behavior; it's working as it's supposed to (even if some folks may find it annoying)... That said, there are site settings that CMs/devs can change to reduce this behavior (i.e. reducing the number of questions bumped per hour, and/or not bumping any posts if another post within the `&lt;N&gt;` most recently active posts has been bumped). If/when there's consensus from the community to do so, the site mods can add the [status-review] tag to this post to escalate it for staff attention." CreationDate="2022-09-24T01:45:16.767" UserId="810687" />
  <row Id="23098" PostId="9834" Score="1" Text="@V2Blast The `[status-review]` tag has been set." CreationDate="2022-10-18T12:38:57.120" UserId="984089" />
  <row Id="23095" PostId="9835" Score="0" Text="There have been no arguments against, (but also only this response)  so I have flagged my  question and asked one of the moderators please set the `[status-review]` tag to get this ball moving." CreationDate="2022-10-09T13:35:48.423" UserId="984089" />
  <row Id="23092" PostId="9837" Score="1" Text="Like Ward stated, the OP didnt upvote your answer nor marked it as answered, which by itself is a problem. (which make the downvote hurt more as the OP didnt gave the point associated with the answer). To talk the downvote, please note that the most upvoted answer try to dissuade the OP to do that, as if the user dont get root access than it's maybe because is IT team dont want them to do that. (To note it, I dont delete such comment even if it's a thanks comment, as it leave a trace that it answered the OP, even if he forgot to note the answer)" CreationDate="2022-10-05T15:44:10.473" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23093" PostId="9837" Score="0" Text="Yes, I'm not even claiming that my answer didn't deserve a downvote. But that's my point here. Neither the question nor my answer were directly related to what this site is all about, while the other answers *were* concerned with that, and so much so that they ended up not answering the question. I find it amusing that this situation actually makes sense in this context." CreationDate="2022-10-05T16:29:08.450" UserId="985142" />
  <row Id="23094" PostId="9837" Score="0" Text="For a question borderline on topic as the user was directed to professional's way to do what he wanted to do, I like the fact that the question was not downvoted to hell like it would had been on SO. Your answer was downvoted just one point possibly to just show that it was insecure, but you could state a disclaimer; &quot;it's not secure, but do it that way if you still want to do it&quot; to prevent such downvote." CreationDate="2022-10-06T13:31:38.467" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23091" PostId="9838" Score="0" Text="&quot;*I don't agree with your premise that the way people vote here vs. other SE sites is different (worse) than other sites.*&quot;.  Sorry, I really wasn't saying it was *worse*, or even bad. In fact it wasn't really about voting. My point was that this site is so specialized with &quot;IT in a business environment&quot; that the people answering questions, without being aware they are doing it, force that perspective on questions that are totally unrelated to it (and perhaps shouldn't have been asked on this site). The answers were to the problem that *should* have been asked, not the one that actually was." CreationDate="2022-10-04T22:50:08.107" UserId="985142" />
  <row Id="23108" PostId="9838" Score="0" Text="Ward, if there are so many discussions about downvotes w/o comment there is reason! And can you explain about answer with several upvotes, accepted and get some downvotes (w/o comment)? So there are cases where the comments for downvotes MUST BE MANDATORY." CreationDate="2022-12-25T15:32:12.330" UserId="293588" />
  <row Id="23096" PostId="9840" Score="2" Text="And yet you chose not to upvote any of the apparently relevant answers. Also https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6418/on-the-paucity-of-voting" CreationDate="2022-10-15T13:06:07.410" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23097" PostId="9840" Score="0" Text="@user9517, Right; I had already noticed that myself. I have occasionally used `ssh` and `scp` to Windows, but I have very little experience with `net` or other possible ways of doing this, so am hardly qualified to say how good or bad any of those answers were." CreationDate="2022-10-15T14:18:00.243" UserId="985142" />
  <row Id="23101" PostId="9840" Score="0" Text="[Registered-user](https://serverfault.com/users/68579/registered-user) &quot;Last seen more than 2 years ago&quot;. I don't think the question will ever be answered, and my understanding is the definition of an unanswered question is one that the OP did not select one of the answers as *the* answer." CreationDate="2022-11-08T15:59:59.167" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23102" PostId="9840" Score="1" Text="@Paul, According to [What can cause a question to be bumped? - Meta.SE](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/48578/what-can-cause-a-question-to-be-bumped/48579#48579): &quot;*… will bump non-negatively scored, open questions every hour that have at least one answer scoring 0 and none scoring more than that.*&quot;. ¶ They get bumped because the best answer is scored 0.  If any of them are good-enough answers, up-vote the best of them and *the question will no longer get bumped*.  If none of the 0 rated answers are adequate, then down-vote them and *the question will no longer get bumped*. But do it!" CreationDate="2022-11-08T16:39:17.147" UserId="985142" />
  <row Id="23103" PostId="9840" Score="0" Text="Why was this downvoted without comment? It identifies the real problem and how to solve it, as opposed to  attempting to hide the symptoms of the underlying problem." CreationDate="2022-11-09T02:47:04.437" UserId="985142" />
  <row Id="23099" PostId="9841" Score="3" Text="It just takes 2 upvotes to get someone to the 20 rep they need to chat (I think that's the threshold).  You obviously think it's a worthwhile question, so you could cast the first vote..." CreationDate="2022-10-19T03:45:09.690" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="23104" PostId="9842" Score="2" Text="I've done some research and based on [early revisions of the bumping FAQ on Meta.SE](https://meta.stackexchange.com/posts/48579/timeline#history_0e0f5b0e-083d-4cb5-bfb4-ea7a29ee2817) and [this post from then-lead Jeff Atwood](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/371/377214), it seems that the limit of 2 at a time instead of 1 dates back to when the feature was introduced in 2009, not 2015. Best I can tell, the default was 2 on all sites (which at the time consisted only of the Trilogy - Stack Overflow, Super User, and Server Fault). Then it was increased to 4 on SO due to its large size." CreationDate="2022-11-09T03:48:58.890" UserId="453768" />
  <row Id="23105" PostId="9842" Score="2" Text="(continuing) Then, when the company began creating new sites outside of the Trilogy through Area 51, the limit was set to 1 since those new sites were quite a bit smaller than the Trilogy, and so it effectively became the default since the thresholds were never changed. As to why you found that the change was made in 2015, my guess is that someone was experimenting with changing it at the time but ultimately reverted their experiments." CreationDate="2022-11-09T03:51:56.180" UserId="453768" />
  <row Id="23106" PostId="9842" Score="2" Text="@gparyani Ya know, that's some fine investigatory work. What you've described matches very well with what I see in the site settings history log." CreationDate="2022-11-09T04:08:49.333" UserId="779485" />
  <row Id="23107" PostId="9842" Score="0" Text="Many thanks Slate ! - And an interesting read on the history of that feature @gparyani" CreationDate="2022-11-10T05:22:18.220" UserId="984089" />
  <row Id="23111" PostId="9845" Score="0" Text="I suspect that the paucity of people actively moderating the site will mean that lots get through." CreationDate="2023-01-11T10:36:31.070" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23112" PostId="9845" Score="0" Text="@user9517 Yeah, probably, but at least any that does get flagged can be dealt with quickly." CreationDate="2023-01-11T12:59:09.407" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="23121" PostId="9845" Score="1" Text="Probably include questions, too: https://serverfault.com/questions/1125632/how-does-one-fix-these" CreationDate="2023-03-08T13:31:58.210" UserId="98333" />
  <row Id="23109" PostId="9848" Score="1" Text="Yeah, that is literally me. I got not help from there. After getting the error from the official ISO, I downloaded one that was recommended by the LTSC community with the same error. It is most likely a problem with qemu having some hwid associated with Intellek company. Ill edit out the second ISO site to avoid mis-interpretation" CreationDate="2023-01-09T17:18:39.100" UserId="999793" />
  <row Id="23110" PostId="9852" Score="0" Text="Well, I missed that it was edited by the author." CreationDate="2023-01-11T06:30:49.790" UserId="325117" />
  <row Id="23114" PostId="9855" Score="1" Text="Ward 's answer is the best approach as one thing to remember here is that a migration don't change the timestamp. So your questions if migrated might loose visibility as they will be listed with older questions." CreationDate="2023-02-16T14:09:19.940" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23120" PostId="9855" Score="0" Text="Additionally, you can rewrite questions so they may get better answers more topically. I tend to think of SF as being for &quot;something is wrong when the things are trying to do something together (as a system)&quot; and U&amp;L being for &quot;I don't get the thing.&quot;" CreationDate="2023-03-07T12:51:17.187" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23125" PostId="9874" Score="1" Text="Are you looking for general information on how to get info about a specific post or asking for the reasons for moderation of a specific question? If you're looking for info about a specific question, then you should include the [meta-tag:specific-question] tag and a link to the question, or people won't really be able to help you. You can see a list of your deleted questions [here](https://serverfault.com/users/deleted-questions/current). A link to the page of your deleted questions is at the bottom of [your list of questions](//serverfault.com/users/106116/sabre?tab=questions)" CreationDate="2023-05-27T16:52:28.907" UserId="259906" />
  <row Id="23126" PostId="9874" Score="0" Text="The post to me reads it is &quot;deleted &amp; hidden&quot;, so I did not know that *could* be done, but here it is if it works. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/76345169/text-of-desktop-icons-on-windows It read &quot;Closed. This question needs debugging details. It is not currently accepting answers.&quot; which I went back and added two methods tried and a functional one for comparison, the reward for that was deletion without explanation. Did not read forbidden, or off topic, or anything other than &quot;give more info&quot;, I did, and it as nuked. Someone was even trying to help... And downvotes for asking why?.." CreationDate="2023-05-28T00:05:03.853" UserId="106116" />
  <row Id="23127" PostId="9874" Score="0" Text="Really all I want is a chance to understand why, and the ability to fix it.  As stated been here over a decade, been helped a lot, and heled a lot of people, and this makes zero sense, perhaps an explanation would lift that feeling?" CreationDate="2023-05-28T00:08:08.873" UserId="106116" />
  <row Id="23128" PostId="9874" Score="0" Text="Iam on my mobile, so the post history is harder to see, but from what I seen it was the roomba bot from stackexchange that removed the post, as it was kinda old, unanswered and with a negative score." CreationDate="2023-05-28T00:42:08.113" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23129" PostId="9874" Score="0" Text="I posted it last night?" CreationDate="2023-05-28T00:59:31.370" UserId="106116" />
  <row Id="23130" PostId="9874" Score="0" Text="@yagmoth555 no it was deleted by three ordinary users, two hours after being asked. Need 10k on SO to see it, Roomba deletes only after a while, not couple of hours." CreationDate="2023-05-28T10:06:49.173" UserId="84372" />
  <row Id="23131" PostId="9874" Score="1" Text="@Sabre it's a known problem on Stack Overflow. Many high rep users are very &quot;trigger happy&quot; and delete closed questions quickly, never giving chance for editing. But please take this to Meta Stack Overflow, and expect lots of downvotes and negative comments if you choose to do that. :/" CreationDate="2023-05-28T10:08:10.173" UserId="84372" />
  <row Id="23132" PostId="9874" Score="0" Text="As pointed out below, I post on many sites, yet is was stackverflow, not server fault, apologies for the confusions. Editing original post..." CreationDate="2023-05-28T15:03:12.533" UserId="106116" />
  <row Id="23133" PostId="9874" Score="0" Text="@ShadowTheSpringWizard why is that not moderated at a higher level? Bad management can tank companies, and forums. People are already scared AI is going to replace the human element of most internet Q&amp;A, humans with the ego of children with power will make that a complete certainty. We have a banner that say &quot;someone is new, please be nice&quot;, maybe one that reads &quot;this person has been here a while, don't  be an ***?&quot; And the downvotes for asking for clarity is just asinine patronage to the egos to get a ticket into the circle?... Makes no sense for a &quot;help forum&quot;. Arrogant != Erudite ;-)" CreationDate="2023-05-28T15:15:25.740" UserId="106116" />
  <row Id="23134" PostId="9874" Score="1" Text="@Sabre long story short, that's one of the most sensitive pain point, where many very active and veteran users are on one side, trying to keep Stack Overflow high quality, and on the other side the management, who does try to help the new users in various ways. It's all out of my paygrade and I'm on the fence about it, if you have time, jump into Meta Stack Overflow and follow the rabbit hole." CreationDate="2023-05-28T17:08:21.000" UserId="84372" />
  <row Id="23135" PostId="9874" Score="0" Text="\**[Stack Overflow](https://stackoverflow.design/brand/copywriting/naming/)*. \**[Server Fault](https://serverfault.com/tour)*" CreationDate="2023-05-29T21:45:26.143" UserId="5144" />
  <row Id="23136" PostId="9876" Score="4" Text="&quot;To be clear: AI-generated posts are allowed, as long as they meet other post guidelines (e.g. for quality).&quot;  - this is wrong - a site can still have a policy against AI-generated posts and then they would not be allowed." CreationDate="2023-05-30T20:41:28.467" UserId="1027171" />
  <row Id="23137" PostId="9876" Score="17" Text="You can't really have a policy against AI-generated posts when there is no allowable way to identify them." CreationDate="2023-05-30T20:43:25.863" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="23138" PostId="9876" Score="3" Text="It's also counter-productive to have one when you can't use it as the basis for suspending users who post such answers. On SO, we've discussed continuing to enforce an effective ban on AI-generated content on the basis of it being low quality, even opening up (for us) a whole new can of worms by evaluating the technical merits of that content. But even though that would be permissible under the company's latest decree (and that loophole could close at any time), it makes for a far worse experience for the users on receiving end, who can no longer be told why they suspended." CreationDate="2023-05-30T22:49:37.200" UserId="59444" />
  <row Id="23139" PostId="9876" Score="2" Text="@CodyGray I like your view, I know on another platform that I moderate on it’s a ChatGPT attribution that is asked to the user to be wrote in the answer, or the mod to add it if suspected. Its less problematic than a ban for the site company, and the user is tagged atleast for such use." CreationDate="2023-05-31T00:21:57.163" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23140" PostId="9876" Score="4" Text="Truthfully, that's the double bind that we're in. Lack of attribution of ChatGPT is plagiarism, which is not allowed by long-standing site policy, as well as the new new CoC. However, the late-breaking policy from staff is that we're not allowed to call someone out on using ChatGPT unless they've admitted it, and if they've admitted it, then it's not plagiarism. So, I don't know what to make of it, other than a very clear instruction that we're not allowed to remove AI-generated content, exactly as Ward has summarized it here." CreationDate="2023-05-31T06:29:19.580" UserId="59444" />
  <row Id="23149" PostId="9876" Score="5" Text="[This is interesting](https://physics.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/14438/physics-se-remains-a-site-by-humans-for-humans) I wish them well." CreationDate="2023-06-01T20:13:56.853" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23170" PostId="9876" Score="10" Text="[The title change is certainly interesting](https://meta.serverfault.com/posts/9876/revisions). The attempts at damage control probably creates more damage right now." CreationDate="2023-06-05T13:21:12.517" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="23172" PostId="9876" Score="2" Text="@Phillipe it's your title change that's misleading, not the original one. Not banning content for being AI content *explicitly* allows AI content." CreationDate="2023-06-06T15:54:46.760" UserId="964260" />
  <row Id="23173" PostId="9876" Score="0" Text="@esther As I said in a comment to an answer, the new policy requires  moderation of AI-generated posts to be done on the *exactly* the same basis as posts by humans.  We're not allowed to judge a post based on whether it is AI-generated except in a vanishingly rare situation.  If we evaluate posts equally regardless of whether they're written by a human or an AI, then the original title is accurate: SO Inc now allows AI posts." CreationDate="2023-06-06T19:06:45.267" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="23174" PostId="9876" Score="0" Text="@Ward-ReinstateMonica exactly. It's misleading to say that the &quot;policy regarding enforcement has changed,&quot; but that the AI posts are still disallowed - a law that won't be enforced may as well not exist." CreationDate="2023-06-06T20:07:23.570" UserId="964260" />
  <row Id="23221" PostId="9876" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure if you guys are right with &quot;there is no allowable way to identify them&quot;, look this: https://serverfault.com/questions/1135072/compatibility-issue-with-yum-simulate-install-on-ryzen-9-laptop-500gb-ssd-win?noredirect=1#comment1479953_1135072" CreationDate="2023-06-29T14:00:38.327" UserId="1000156" />
  <row Id="23222" PostId="9876" Score="0" Text="@ArrowRoot Agreed. Until they start spitting out markdown, a wall of text in SF is a red flag." CreationDate="2023-06-29T23:33:57.547" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23141" PostId="9877" Score="5" Text="You may not be surprised to learn that moderators were given a chance to provide feedback on the new buttons, but despite several problems being pointed out and suggestions for improvement made, they were rolled out pretty much unchanged." CreationDate="2023-05-31T19:54:37.387" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="23148" PostId="9877" Score="0" Text="Correct. I was also unsurprised to learn the company spin on LLMs was different when presented to mods than that which was released to the masses. Company, Company, Company, !community, !community, !community. There is though nothing new here." CreationDate="2023-06-01T06:56:41.857" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23142" PostId="9878" Score="1" Text="As always, the company's biggest concern is Stack Overflow, which is a couple orders of magnitude bigger than any other SE site, and apparently the concern is the number of posts that were being identified as AI and the resulting number of suspensions handed out." CreationDate="2023-05-31T19:55:40.953" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="23143" PostId="9878" Score="0" Text="Yup. But I see the community on sites such as AskUbuntu collapsing. And that site *had* a great community. Even as a non-ubuntu user I enjoyed it, because of it's community." CreationDate="2023-05-31T19:57:28.873" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="23145" PostId="9878" Score="0" Text="I agree, my point was more that it's going to be a problem on large sites as well." CreationDate="2023-05-31T19:58:40.920" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="23146" PostId="9878" Score="0" Text="I don't disagree. It's just sad that they force all sites to follow it without regard for local moderation." CreationDate="2023-05-31T20:00:03.240" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="23155" PostId="9878" Score="0" Text="@vidarlo I share your worries about AU :(" CreationDate="2023-06-03T06:10:28.500" UserId="1026418" />
  <row Id="23156" PostId="9878" Score="1" Text="I must admit I've not followed things that close lately, but it appears to me that things are becoming more corporate, alienating the community in the process. The key users making the community tick disappears, and it takes time to build new ones. On serverfault there's almost nothing left, AU still has something." CreationDate="2023-06-03T09:28:56.230" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="23144" PostId="9879" Score="11" Text="I'm not allowed to ask you if this was written by an AI." CreationDate="2023-05-31T19:57:48.190" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="23147" PostId="9879" Score="1" Text="I, For one, Welcomes our new AI overlords..." CreationDate="2023-05-31T22:41:41.687" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="23151" PostId="9880" Score="6" Text="[Relevant extended outage of SmokeDetector](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/63688817#63688817)" CreationDate="2023-06-02T00:49:35.790" UserId="474320" />
  <row Id="23152" PostId="9880" Score="12" Text="This wave of spam has literally been going on for months (started in February, IIRC). The spam has just been rapidly deleted by [Charcoal](https://charcoal-se.org/training/) and your site moderators. Charcoal is a project by other SE users to help keep spam and R/A content off of all SE sites. SmokeDetector detects the spam/R/A posts and reports them into chat and to metasmoke. Metasmoke then, if the post is seen to be *highly* likely to be spam/R/A, automatically raises spam flags on the post. Metasmoke is currently down for maintenance for about a day, so it's not raising any flags." CreationDate="2023-06-02T00:55:33.357" UserId="259906" />
  <row Id="23153" PostId="9880" Score="0" Text="What is this and how can it actually be permanetly and proactively stopped?" CreationDate="2023-06-02T01:10:41.753" UserId="1025765" />
  <row Id="23154" PostId="9880" Score="3" Text="@Starshipisgoforlaunch It's spammers spamming. Other than trying to block it (which SE would have to do, and which isn't trivial), the best that can be done is to identify it, then red-flag delete the posts (using spam and/or rude/abusive flags) and moderators destroy the users. Doing that does feed back information into SE's existing spam blocker, which is called SpamRam. For this particular spammer or group of spammers, SpamRam isn't that effective, so it gets posted, which is where Charcoal, your moderators, and you come in to get it deleted." CreationDate="2023-06-02T01:17:53.787" UserId="259906" />
  <row Id="23162" PostId="9880" Score="0" Text="Does this answer your question? [Is there anything useful I can do to help with the massive number of spam posts coming in?](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/9778/is-there-anything-useful-i-can-do-to-help-with-the-massive-number-of-spam-posts)" CreationDate="2023-06-05T10:56:02.433" UserId="98333" />
  <row Id="23165" PostId="9881" Score="7" Text="However, as of this morning, Charcoal is also now participating in the [moderation strike](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/9883/labor-action-notice), so joining Charcoal HQ at the moment is going to be by and large pointless." CreationDate="2023-06-05T10:58:43.583" UserId="98333" />
  <row Id="23157" PostId="9882" Score="0" Text="SE being reluctant to work with mods (and community) seems to be a bit of a thing particularly right now. You are not normally given to being that openly critical so I guess you're really not happy with them. SE needs somehow to remember just how important mods and community are to them ." CreationDate="2023-06-03T16:45:20.097" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23158" PostId="9882" Score="2" Text="The problem in this case is that making things harder for this variety of spammer means making it harder for Ye Olde Random to post questions to the Q&amp;A site, which is Bad." CreationDate="2023-06-03T18:10:27.363" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="23159" PostId="9883" Score="17" Text="Why was this un-featured?" CreationDate="2023-06-05T10:09:05.703" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="23160" PostId="9883" Score="13" Text="@vidarlo The company doesn't want anything mentioning the strike featured. Not even a joke, we were told so in advance (but in secrecy, so a lot of mods have missed it. Even then, not really much harm in trying)" CreationDate="2023-06-05T10:52:11.410" UserId="569995" />
  <row Id="23166" PostId="9883" Score="12" Text="I would very much like an official answer to that effect. Cowardice and hiding doesn't really build trust currently." CreationDate="2023-06-05T11:00:11.173" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="23167" PostId="9883" Score="4" Text="Indeed, but I doubt we'll get one. There's a strike for a reason" CreationDate="2023-06-05T11:16:01.887" UserId="569995" />
  <row Id="23169" PostId="9883" Score="0" Text="I agree. I also note that it's not consistently enforced; over on AU it's still two featured posts about the strike." CreationDate="2023-06-05T11:28:38.947" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="23175" PostId="9883" Score="9" Text="Adding back the featured tag, as any strike action can have an impact on the site expectation, the user must be directed on the why. (I waited as the post was already in the hot meta post list, so the tag was less important)" CreationDate="2023-06-06T20:52:48.497" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23242" PostId="9883" Score="1" Text="As of 2023-08-02, a major round of negotiations that had been organized outside the Meta sites has concluded. This Meta.SE describes in detail what agreement has been accomplished at that table: [Moderation strike: Results of negotiations](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/391847/moderation-strike-results-of-negotiations)" CreationDate="2023-08-02T20:29:03.133" UserId="250204" />
  <row Id="23171" PostId="9887" Score="0" Text="In addition to the argument I've given in the comments on the post (that since there's no enforcement allowed, AI-generated posts are effectively allowed), the other way to look at it is that the policy requires that AI-generated posts be judged exactly the same way as human-generated: moderators can take action based on post quality, but *cannot* (except in vanishingly unlikely situations) take action based simply on the fact that a post is AI-generated." CreationDate="2023-06-06T12:32:05.237" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="23176" PostId="9888" Score="13" Text="&quot;To their credit, this data was directly asked for and they've given it.&quot; After the community went on strike, yes." CreationDate="2023-06-06T23:18:31.757" UserId="243194" />
  <row Id="23177" PostId="9888" Score="6" Text="This is interesting, thanks! I realize you're walking a fine line here, but something I'd encourage pushing on is whether they've directly tracked the trajectories of users who were active (three months ago, 6, a year, 2 years, etc) - that is, tracking *specific* users, not the usual &quot;x active users during y period&quot; metric available on the usual charts. When I ran this in the past, I found a fairly stable fall-off in activity, albeit one that *has* changed over time: e.g., folks who joined in 2012 lasted a lot longer than folks who joined in 2016 *and* longer than folks who joined in 2011." CreationDate="2023-06-07T19:17:31.700" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="23178" PostId="9888" Score="6" Text="The reason I suggest this is that it would help separate effects caused by formerly-active users dropping off and those caused by fewer new users becoming active. It wouldn't necessarily point to a smoking gun here, but narrowing the (fairly vast) field of potential culprits is probably useful!" CreationDate="2023-06-07T19:20:44.147" UserId="963" />
  <row Id="23190" PostId="9888" Score="2" Text="&quot;In the wake of ChatGPT's release&quot; - you mean ChatGPT-4 (aka Bing, aka Sidney)?  Or are you referring to an earlier release?" CreationDate="2023-06-13T10:45:36.150" UserId="84809" />
  <row Id="23180" PostId="9889" Score="1" Text="Does this answer your question? [Homepage spammed](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/9880/homepage-spammed)" CreationDate="2023-06-13T05:22:48.397" UserId="325117" />
  <row Id="23181" PostId="9889" Score="2" Text="I mean, there is mention of Charcoal, which is doing a SmokeDetector, a machine that flagged these things automatically. But it is now participating in a moderator strike on the subject of AI-generated content policy, so probably it doesn't cast flags. That's how I understand the situation." CreationDate="2023-06-13T05:25:22.693" UserId="325117" />
  <row Id="23185" PostId="9889" Score="3" Text="This isn't spam. No-one wants to buy any of these services. It *could* be a spammer smoke testing their trash. It's basically a malicious person saying they know one or two of the thirty or so things that aren't checked in the post pipeline that would prevent junk from being submitted. It's like the people that install a VPN client on a server then ask why the routing table changed. Those questions will still be asked several times per week 20 years from now." CreationDate="2023-06-13T07:08:19.973" UserId="20701" />
  <row Id="23209" PostId="9889" Score="1" Text="@GregAskew as I always read your post on sf and smile every day about ;)" CreationDate="2023-06-14T17:37:47.553" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23213" PostId="9889" Score="0" Text="The real spam to SF users will include a link to `easydatabasefix.xyz`, where you go to download and install their free program to automagically fix your broken database, or something similar, and they are posted as answers, not questions." CreationDate="2023-06-15T12:16:24.460" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23216" PostId="9889" Score="7" Text="@GregAskew Nope, those aren't just tests. The spam posts shown in the question's screenshot are part of the &quot;Support Number spam&quot; that's been ongoing for a couple/few *years* now on basically all sites in the SE network, with *several thousand* identified spam posts. Under normal conditions, the combination of SmokeDetector and metasmoke results in them being rapidly identified and quickly nuked with a mix of automatic and manual spam flags, which prevents most users from being impacted by the *vast majority* of straight-up spam that makes it past SE's SpamRam to be posted on the SE Network." CreationDate="2023-06-18T15:32:42.060" UserId="259906" />
  <row Id="23219" PostId="9889" Score="1" Text="Can we get an update on the Janitor.exe status on the &quot;Loan&quot; spam? Maybe some AI tools would do the trick." CreationDate="2023-06-23T10:52:52.730" UserId="20701" />
  <row Id="23227" PostId="9889" Score="1" Text="I'd say that the tag ([meta-tag:spam]) seems suitable for this question. (I do not have sufficient reputation to edit on meta, so I mentioned this in a comment instead.)" CreationDate="2023-07-07T12:14:19.773" UserId="385969" />
  <row Id="23228" PostId="9889" Score="0" Text="i added oyur suggestion by edit ;-)" CreationDate="2023-07-08T09:46:29.737" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23182" PostId="9890" Score="0" Text="that i understand it clearly, there is now no more automatic spam prevention?" CreationDate="2023-06-13T06:19:30.270" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23183" PostId="9890" Score="11" Text="@djdomi That is correct. The community run bot(s) have withdrawn their labour for the duration of the strike in support of it." CreationDate="2023-06-13T06:28:35.833" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23184" PostId="9890" Score="4" Text="Interestingly enough, there is no similar spam outburst on SuperUser, Unix&amp;Linux SE and others. For me it looks like only ServerFault is shelled." CreationDate="2023-06-13T07:02:25.853" UserId="325117" />
  <row Id="23186" PostId="9890" Score="1" Text="@NikitaKipriyanov https://meta.serverfault.com/a/9882 SF has been the target for some time." CreationDate="2023-06-13T07:49:55.780" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23187" PostId="9890" Score="2" Text="Yesterday and today I exhaust my flags. So in such case maybe will be better to increase the limit of per user/day flags. And/or change limits for deleting question based on flags. Also adding badge (like Vox Populi) for using all flags in one day may motivate some users to use flag." CreationDate="2023-06-13T08:20:15.263" UserId="293588" />
  <row Id="23188" PostId="9890" Score="5" Text="That will somewhat defeat the [idea of the strike](https://openletter.mousetail.nl/). Stopping raising flags is one of the ways to gain an attention. I didn't sign the letter but I decided to stop doing here anything that doesn't have immediate benefit for myself (in the form of exercises I do when helping others)." CreationDate="2023-06-13T09:08:17.963" UserId="325117" />
  <row Id="23189" PostId="9890" Score="0" Text="@RomeoNinov How many flags do you have? I have &gt;70. I did not see enough spam posts to come anywhere near mine." CreationDate="2023-06-13T10:35:42.487" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23191" PostId="9890" Score="0" Text="@Paul, I have 44, and finish with them today, for less than hour. (flagging only spam)" CreationDate="2023-06-13T11:03:10.820" UserId="293588" />
  <row Id="23192" PostId="9890" Score="0" Text="@RomeoNinov I have observed that at I think 5 downvotes, the questions disappear, so downvoting also helps even without flagging." CreationDate="2023-06-13T11:09:17.747" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23193" PostId="9890" Score="1" Text="Also, are you flagging answers? I don't bother as once the question disappears, so does the answers." CreationDate="2023-06-13T11:10:21.310" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23194" PostId="9890" Score="1" Text="@paul, for yesterday I get &quot;Vox Populi&quot; https://serverfault.com/help/badges/150/vox-populi" CreationDate="2023-06-13T11:11:24.553" UserId="293588" />
  <row Id="23195" PostId="9890" Score="2" Text="@paul That's why it's not actually helpful to downvote spam: posts that are -5 don't go away, but they don't show by default on the SF home page.  &quot;Hiding&quot; them with downvotes makes it harder for other people to see and flag them." CreationDate="2023-06-13T11:49:30.290" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="23196" PostId="9890" Score="0" Text="@Ward-ReinstateMonica I did not know that! Flagging as spam also downvotes - what happens then at -5 from flags?" CreationDate="2023-06-13T11:51:28.007" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23198" PostId="9890" Score="4" Text="@Paul 4 red flags nukes the content. Red flags = spam/abuse." CreationDate="2023-06-13T13:59:53.083" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="23199" PostId="9890" Score="0" Text="well, you can flag them for spam -1 flag them manually - 1 so you can actually down voted 2 times" CreationDate="2023-06-14T03:58:01.723" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23200" PostId="9890" Score="2" Text="@djdomi Don't do that. That *hides* spam. Flag, and leave alone. At four flags (lowered from six) it will be deleted." CreationDate="2023-06-14T06:04:58.450" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="23202" PostId="9890" Score="0" Text="Im sorry but I just wanted to explain the words someone else, I should add next time more context ;)" CreationDate="2023-06-14T07:08:08.513" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23201" PostId="9891" Score="1" Text="hei catija thabks for the response and actions taken agree with you and your statement about magically work around about filter, but what could also be a afford is to restrict new people to ask more as one question per 6 hours or similar.." CreationDate="2023-06-14T07:07:05.697" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23204" PostId="9891" Score="1" Text="and as a similar way, is there a way to report a user instead of a post, that's a spammy Spammer? and why can a spammer, that gets massive flags still can post? i mean if i would get 20+ spamflags why can still be posted?" CreationDate="2023-06-14T07:25:46.480" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23205" PostId="9891" Score="2" Text="We can prevent multiple questions in a short period of time but, based on my having deleted a lot of these, it looks like they're only posting one or maybe two with each profile, so I'm not sure adjusting that will actually impact these people, sadly. There's not a way to report a user. That's something I often find frustrating myself but we haven't built a solution for it yet." CreationDate="2023-06-14T08:48:24.087" UserId="445158" />
  <row Id="23206" PostId="9891" Score="0" Text="In fact I monitored the ppl in question and they pushed the same or similar text on multiple sites, multiple times. so yes it will reduce the amount let's say special to people with less then 200 reputation" CreationDate="2023-06-14T09:25:47.460" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23207" PostId="9891" Score="0" Text="But how helpful is user reporting when they can just create a new user?" CreationDate="2023-06-14T13:36:00.350" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23208" PostId="9891" Score="0" Text="as always, it's a cat and mice game, that's how spamming and filters works. but rather report the user, the option i told about the stop or put it on a queue or delay wozld then in my mind a better option" CreationDate="2023-06-14T17:36:46.277" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23210" PostId="9891" Score="0" Text="@djdomi smoke detector shut down is the biggest impact for the spam we see, as when it detect something it can be configured to make 3 or 4 flags on spam, thus it make the spam disappear fast, and to note, smoke got a chat channel that ppl in it can valide spam report and it add flags." CreationDate="2023-06-14T19:31:22.297" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23211" PostId="9891" Score="0" Text="@djdomi If curious check the link there for report done in the past; https://metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/posts  (on spam you can see green check, it's user that added weight on smokey report)" CreationDate="2023-06-14T19:32:12.903" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23212" PostId="9891" Score="3" Text="@djdomi As a mod, often when we come to the site, we can destroy those account assosiated with the spam that was done. nuking 'em make the system check more the source of them and some info to prevent more from the same source, so it can help to restrain other spam wave" CreationDate="2023-06-14T19:34:32.883" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23218" PostId="9891" Score="0" Text="Hi Catija - there have been a lot of very similar spam attacks on super user over the past few days [my search that eventually got here was via hunting for recent metasmoke activity… til I discovered there wasn't any]. Had to join this stack to post. Could you add new blocks on superuser for 'loan customer care' as that seems to be common to them all [all different, brand new users, of course] Here's a recent example - https://superuser.com/questions/1789921/gold-rupee-loan-customer-care-helpline-number-91-9905181321-xhhx History - https://superuser.com/users/flag-summary/347380" CreationDate="2023-06-19T13:44:06.370" UserId="1029803" />
  <row Id="23214" PostId="9892" Score="0" Text="As of right now, Charcoal is [on strike](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389811/moderation-strike-stack-overflow-inc-cannot-consistently-ignore-mistreat-an), but I'm posting this as a preemptive PSA for when the strike is over." CreationDate="2023-06-18T07:29:17.400" UserId="98333" />
  <row Id="23220" PostId="9895" Score="0" Text="I can delete the question. Is there a more appropriate spot to ask such a question? Oh nevermind, I can't delete after it's been answered." CreationDate="2023-06-29T03:18:30.703" UserId="164018" />
  <row Id="23224" PostId="9896" Score="3" Text="As a non-native speaker I usually try to avoid such issues and simply use the plural: *&quot;deploy [`.ear`](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EAR_(file_format)) file**s**&quot;*" CreationDate="2023-07-06T14:13:35.157" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="23225" PostId="9896" Score="0" Text="Agreed - maybe for this title something like &quot;How to deploy filename.ear in glass fish?&quot; or &quot;Problems deploying .ear files.&quot;, since titles aren't markdown. But it was also a grammar question I was curious of, perhaps the answer is simply phrase it differently." CreationDate="2023-07-06T15:32:58.700" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23226" PostId="9896" Score="0" Text="I find it jarring but not enough to be interested in editing it. I know what the OP means." CreationDate="2023-07-07T11:47:59.117" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23229" PostId="9899" Score="1" Text="I have no objection to it being locked, but i can't upvote it and as a policy, I like to upvote any question that address what Google sent me here looking for. Perhaps what ever was intended by locking, that's the wrong functionality. Unless you don't want me to send the message to the person asking the question that it was good question and one that I was also curious about." CreationDate="2023-07-13T21:20:51.877" UserId="18822" />
  <row Id="23230" PostId="9900" Score="3" Text="That should be discussed on https://meta.stackexchange.com/. It's a good question and could technically be simple and simply implemented." CreationDate="2023-07-22T04:17:19.723" UserId="448950" />
  <row Id="23231" PostId="9900" Score="0" Text="Seems simple, just block Indian IP addresses" CreationDate="2023-07-22T06:42:23.877" UserId="564625" />
  <row Id="23232" PostId="9900" Score="2" Text="Does this answer your question? [Massive Spam Attacks since couple of days](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/9889/massive-spam-attacks-since-couple-of-days) I had an similar question" CreationDate="2023-07-22T07:34:06.860" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23233" PostId="9900" Score="2" Text="You can't ban things with the string &quot;loans&quot; because words like &quot;loan&quot; and &quot;lease&quot; (and &quot;interest&quot; and &quot;amortize&quot;) are all used in technical contexts." CreationDate="2023-07-22T12:41:38.277" UserId="27515" />
  <row Id="23234" PostId="9900" Score="1" Text="I doubt this is spam. It's more valuable as a vector for phishing/malware. If anything is being sold, it is the ability to get forum visitors to click on a potentially hostile link." CreationDate="2023-07-22T19:54:30.147" UserId="20701" />
  <row Id="23235" PostId="9901" Score="2" Text="We have two ways. First don't let user submit the question which is more suitable i believe, other one is let the user feed the question and bot will delete it if found suspicious. So by this way we have two layers act as active, active. I am sure how it's implemented just sharing thoughts, team may be already thought of this." CreationDate="2023-07-23T05:26:29.763" UserId="521194" />
  <row Id="23236" PostId="9901" Score="3" Text="@asktyagi The central theme is that [there's an strike](https://openletter.mousetail.nl/#). SE made some changes that angered a *lot* of the people moderating various sites, including the people running Smokey. Thus the situation. Most people believe the strike is a temporary state - and intend return to moderation once the issues are resolved." CreationDate="2023-07-26T22:51:29.563" UserId="435764" />
  <row Id="23241" PostId="9902" Score="2" Text="Note that many actions by &quot;the community&quot; are triggered by automated algorithms with any (further) human intervention.  - And by deleting your own questions they will definitely never be answered." CreationDate="2023-08-01T12:28:27.343" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="23237" PostId="9904" Score="1" Text="EOL software and the question is a test question." CreationDate="2023-07-31T11:42:24.500" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23238" PostId="9904" Score="7" Text="You missed that [Server Fault is a site for information technology professionals](http://serverfault.com/help/on-topic) -- as such we have certain professional expectations when people ask a question here, and one of those expectations is that your question shows you did some **research**, found and **read the vendor documentation** and/or **tried a solution** before asking the internet for help. You're not expected to solve everything yourself, but then at least you can [write a great question](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/3609/37681) that we can help you answer." CreationDate="2023-07-31T11:49:49.930" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="23239" PostId="9904" Score="2" Text="Hand-holding, teaching the basics,  home work and home labs are definitely not on-topic. SuperUser might be more fitting for the knowledge level displayed in  such questions, or the generic Unix / Linux Stack Exchange site." CreationDate="2023-07-31T11:51:26.547" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="23240" PostId="9904" Score="0" Text="@HBruijn hm.. I cannot say I fully undestood the level difference between these resources; but thank you for help about other places where the question would be more appropriate" CreationDate="2023-07-31T12:06:59.057" UserId="1036080" />
  <row Id="23243" PostId="9906" Score="1" Text="...and here, in an hour, you see this migrated. " CreationDate="2023-09-07T05:39:23.157" UserId="274176" />
  <row Id="23244" PostId="9909" Score="2" Text="Thank you.  Most of those are using &quot;slack&quot; in some other sense of the word, but I've [added the slack tag to 4 questions](https://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/slack)." CreationDate="2023-09-27T16:41:41.147" UserId="205542" />
  <row Id="23251" PostId="9917" Score="0" Text="While the contrast isn't great, you can tell it's a link because it has an underline. That's why that underline is there, in fact, because some people have visual impairments that make it extremely hard to differentiate colors (with monochromatic color blindness probably being the most extreme). The underline (or some other appropriate non-color indicator) should really be added where it's missing, since that would help even the people with poor vision." CreationDate="2023-12-15T21:40:13.493" UserId="356904" />
  <row Id="23252" PostId="9918" Score="1" Text="IDK why Opinion based was chosen, You ask 13 separate questions,  I would have gone for lacks focus (or whatever it's called today). Also with that many questions, there is plenty of research you could have done but failed to demonstrate. In the grand scheme of things the correct thing happened - your poor/bad/crappy question got closed and the internet is better for that." CreationDate="2023-12-27T20:56:20.167" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23253" PostId="9918" Score="0" Text="@user9517 The &quot;13 questions&quot; are mostly rhetorical and are meant to refine what part of the main question in the title I need help with. If I removed these clarifying questions and kept only the question in the title, it would be almost certainly closes as &quot;too broad&quot; or that it &quot;Needs details or clarity&quot;. Also, the first paragraph of the question indicates, that I tried searching all of the relevant search terms that I could come up with, but was not able to find any concrete information. If my research attempts succeeded, I wouldn't be asking my &quot;crappy question&quot; now would I?" CreationDate="2023-12-28T22:33:41.810" UserId="530660" />
  <row Id="23257" PostId="9918" Score="0" Text="https://serverfault.com/help/dont-ask" CreationDate="2024-01-06T04:36:07.947" UserId="145902" />
  <row Id="23254" PostId="9919" Score="0" Text="I have tried to reword my question a bit, to make it more focused. I am assuming, that the problem was with the open ended nature of the question rather than the number of question marks (since most of these sub-questions were just clarifying/rhetorical rather than totally separate questions)." CreationDate="2023-12-28T22:43:08.840" UserId="530660" />
  <row Id="23255" PostId="9920" Score="0" Text="I understand that these terms may have colloquial/marketing uses, however they are also used by professionals, in technical contexts (web dev, dev ops, networking, etc). Just cause the terms are a bit abstract doesn't mean that you can't define them and reason about them. Computers are like 99% abstraction anyway" CreationDate="2023-12-31T17:09:04.563" UserId="530660" />
  <row Id="23256" PostId="9922" Score="2" Text="The site sponsorship has no effect on sponsored tags. Similarly, it has no effect on what is considered on or off topic for a site. We do understand how the sponsorship could cause some confusion for users who may already be unclear on the scope of the site. You can feel free to link them to this post (or add it to your canned response) if that could help to clarify things for them." CreationDate="2024-01-04T16:31:38.737" UserId="1004381" />
  <row Id="23258" PostId="9922" Score="0" Text="@Sasha thanks for the clarification" CreationDate="2024-01-06T19:53:44.477" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="23259" PostId="9923" Score="0" Text="I use the https://github.com/Benjol/SE-AutoReviewComments browser extension with my own  stock comments that I often use when the limited number of serverFault specific close reasons don’t quite cover my reason to VtC. I  like to point to https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/3608/how-can-i-ask-better-questions-on-server-fault that addresses most important information that people need to include in a question including basic debugging" CreationDate="2024-01-24T13:37:11.833" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="23261" PostId="9927" Score="3" Text="Classic ASP wasn't the reason. Running IIS on Windows 11 hosted on a Mac and data files on a network drive...checks a number of boxes." CreationDate="2024-01-26T12:13:56.553" UserId="20701" />
  <row Id="23267" PostId="9927" Score="0" Text="@GregAskew It doesn't, though. It's a LOCAL environment for development. The &quot;network drive&quot; bit isn't actually a network drive, it's how the virtual machine represents my actual Mac's physical hard drive.&#xA;&#xA;This is a perfectly reasonable setup for local development and testing. The only reason it doesn't work is because the VM software represents the parent drive as a network drive rather than a physical drive.&#xA;&#xA;It doesn't &quot;tick any boxes&quot; - why would I use another machine for development, when I am literally just replicating the original site so it can be migrated to modern frameworks?" CreationDate="2024-02-07T16:39:24.690" UserId="200814" />
  <row Id="23268" PostId="9927" Score="0" Text="@GregAskew Like none of this will ever see production, it's entirely so that I can analyze the codebase and database locally, write the migration and keep feature parity" CreationDate="2024-02-07T16:43:30.880" UserId="200814" />
  <row Id="23269" PostId="9927" Score="0" Text="@GregAskew I think you, or whomever disabled the question don't actually understand the setup. There's no actual &quot;network drive&quot;. Both the VM AND the files are on the same physical drive. The VM doesn't &quot;know&quot; that of course, but that's the actual reality. And using a VM for doing development in a different development environment is standard practice, and I'm certainly not going to setup a different machine for this when it's literally being used to replicate a site in order to migrate it. That would be a terrible idea. This IS best practices for what I am trying to do." CreationDate="2024-02-07T16:55:51.437" UserId="200814" />
  <row Id="23270" PostId="9927" Score="0" Text="Also important to note that Microsoft themselves have given advice for a configuration similar to this (the only difference being the network drive representation). If Microsoft sees no issue with recommendations for this config (IIS running on virtualized Windows on a Mac), then I see no reason why Server Fault should. I use virtualization constantly for Linux server development with Docker containers, why would I not also use Windows virtualization?" CreationDate="2024-02-07T17:06:09.100" UserId="200814" />
  <row Id="23271" PostId="9927" Score="0" Text="`don't actually understand the setup. There's no actual &quot;network drive&quot;. Both the VM AND the files are on the same physical drive.` I understand. I use `mklink` on VM guests to access shares on my host, also for development purposes, for IIS. But I wouldn't use this forum to discuss it. More of a SuperUser topic. This is trivial to do on Windows btw." CreationDate="2024-02-08T10:11:55.493" UserId="20701" />
  <row Id="23262" PostId="9929" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the advice. I posted the question again." CreationDate="2024-01-27T17:06:52.213" UserId="95020" />
  <row Id="23266" PostId="9930" Score="0" Text="Just leave a comment." CreationDate="2024-02-03T13:30:37.110" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23272" PostId="9930" Score="0" Text="that is generelly ok for me that ppl can answer, see like [this](https://serverfault.com/questions/767837/dell-poweredge-r720xd-outputs-a-typical-fan-noise) as the author answered in the comment section maybe because he did not know better" CreationDate="2024-02-14T07:56:09.600" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23264" PostId="9932" Score="0" Text="The data is weird here. That &quot;1&quot; is the number of questions closed exclusively by a gold tag badge holder. All the regular user closures are attributed to the Community user. Same for [reopens](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/396375/323179)." CreationDate="2024-02-01T21:07:34.547" UserId="356904" />
  <row Id="23265" PostId="9932" Score="0" Text="Gotcha - may be worth noting that in the question though." CreationDate="2024-02-02T11:00:02.253" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23273" PostId="9934" Score="1" Text="I'm sure this was been asked and answered before see https://meta.serverfault.com/search?q=%22home+lab%22 although some of the questions are heavily downvoted so I'm not sure if you can see them." CreationDate="2024-02-17T14:47:24.283" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23274" PostId="9934" Score="0" Text="I am sorry but it seems that I did not get a match for homelab that's why I was irritated" CreationDate="2024-02-17T18:36:20.880" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23275" PostId="9934" Score="3" Text="Basic EOL standards apply. Most home lab environment questions that are on topic are dealing with software questions, and when from advanced users become indistinguishable from business application. This has been discussed in the early days of SF, but I don't think a search for &quot;home lab&quot; will discover those discussions. Also, IIRC, there used be a better community close reason that was dropped which dealt with these sorts of things." CreationDate="2024-02-18T14:28:52.473" UserId="153188" />
  <row Id="23276" PostId="9934" Score="0" Text="No, never will be, but the new dynamic from WFH bring some questions related to that topic. A lab at home because of WFH and a home lab got a big nuance, but it's easy to differentiate each's one, as when for personal projects it's always something that wasn't designed to work that way that someone try to make it work the way they want." CreationDate="2024-02-19T16:08:32.987" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23277" PostId="9934" Score="0" Text="because imho when I need to try something, I gonna setup a lab at work and not at home, so I assume I been right for the moment?" CreationDate="2024-02-19T19:01:23.567" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23278" PostId="9934" Score="1" Text="Yeah, but I know people now with WFH, from my entourage, that bring real gear from work to try at home, so I know such case can happen, and if the guy ask help on SF, if he dont mention home, we will miss the fact it's a homelab as it's on supported gear and gear made for that." CreationDate="2024-02-19T20:35:12.197" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23279" PostId="9934" Score="0" Text="I am aware about this workaholics ;) but yeh it's quite a strange thing. and I also find it strange that every question on meta gets down voted at all in every situation, like James doing the same thing every year ;)" CreationDate="2024-02-19T20:38:01.810" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23282" PostId="9934" Score="1" Text="Regarding meta downvotes - they are just disagreement." CreationDate="2024-02-26T14:49:30.600" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="23280" PostId="9935" Score="1" Text="I will wait other opinions, but my opinion is that TLS or SSL should not be a synonyms at all. Iam a Windows admin and TLS config are still a topic" CreationDate="2024-02-21T02:48:05.677" UserId="256639" />
  <row Id="23281" PostId="9935" Score="0" Text="They are essentially different versions of the same protocol." CreationDate="2024-02-21T02:57:46.697" UserId="114341" />
  <row Id="23284" PostId="9937" Score="0" Text="thanks hbrujin, would you also maybe agree we need an additional close reason that home lab question are offtopic?" CreationDate="2024-03-01T15:58:44.877" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23286" PostId="9937" Score="0" Text="I mean it should not break the entire database, adding another option while maintaining the current one?! ;) But I agree I would like to keep the existing one" CreationDate="2024-03-02T06:24:02.807" UserId="443854" />
  <row Id="23287" PostId="9937" Score="1" Text="IIRC The platform used by all SE sites allows each SE site 5 site/community  specific custom close reasons, and 5 site specific &quot;This question belongs on another site in the SE network&quot;  migration targets, including a mandatory link to &quot;meta.serverfault.com&quot; . The site moderators and/or community manager can adjust the texts/links - But for me *&quot;Questions should demonstrate reasonable information technology management practices.&quot;* and  *&quot;Questions on Server Fault must be about managing IT systems in a business environment.&quot;* are good enough for home lab questions that I cast close votes on." CreationDate="2024-03-03T10:07:12.747" UserId="37681" />
  <row Id="23288" PostId="9941" Score="0" Text="Update: I just flagged a dozen questions similar to mine, hopefully Gerald will immediately BAN these questions from the ServerFault community, to prove that I was not being personally targeted after he chatted with Tom from WPSE." CreationDate="2024-03-29T13:47:07.337" UserId="144798" />
  <row Id="23289" PostId="9941" Score="0" Text="In case it wasn't obvious, I'm being sarcastic, I don't want any questions banned... in fact, I think the threshold for getting a question closed should be more like 5+ votes to avoid high-rep trolls from the WPSE community that don't like me for some reason following me around SE and flagging all my posts..." CreationDate="2024-03-29T15:07:17.087" UserId="144798" />
  <row Id="23290" PostId="9942" Score="0" Text="I was literally told to flag old posts, the drama is from bored high-rep users and mods, although mostly from WPSE who followed me over here. The reasons given to close my questions and down-vote me are irrelevant because they are disingenuous." CreationDate="2024-03-29T17:12:38.777" UserId="144798" />
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